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Let's welcome 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,000 in Dick Harmon at the Desert News. Dick, how you living, buddy? 32 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: I'm doing good. How you doing, Ben? 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing great, man. Great to hear from you, Great 34 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,480 to chat with you. Number one, Give us updates. How's 35 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,760 everything going. What have you been writing about on the 36 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:54,159 Deseret News website? 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: Do good? Today's my birthday, so I slipped you in here, Ben, right. 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:00,719 You know I'm going like. 39 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Happy day, so you're here. I love it, man. What 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,200 are you gonna do for your birthday tonight? 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:13,159 Speaker 2: Watch the basketball game? My wise got to release society 42 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:16,879 presidentcy mean, so I am watching the game. You. 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: Happy birthday to Dick Harmon. You're you're fifty nine years old. 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,719 Speaker 2: Congratulate twenty twenty eight. Thank you. Yeah, I'm twenty twenty eight. 45 00:02:28,039 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: Congratulations. Man, you look you don't look at day older 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,159 than twenty five. I tell you all the time, like 47 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:36,639 I feel like, I mean, mentally i'm twenty five. My 48 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:39,680 body is now forty three, but mentally I'm still twenty 49 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:41,960 five year old Ben still as immature as ever. 50 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a good time. I mean, being 51 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:49,680 alive is good, being upright is good. 52 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:53,039 Speaker 1: Right, Yep, no doubt about it, one hundred percent. Man. Well, 53 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:56,240 hopefully you get to do something fun maybe on the weekend. 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,800 What's your favorite place to eat? Do you have a 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,120 favorite like restaurant or thing? I know you'll have the golf, 56 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,960 Like all you want to do is golf all day 57 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,800 and it's not I guess is it still warming up 58 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,800 the golf right now? How many courses are open right 59 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,719 now in Utah County? 60 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are several that are open. I 61 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,439 think Uh, Temple and August is open. I think sleeper 62 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,960 Ridge is open. It's going to be rainy in the 63 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,919 rest of the week. But the boy, we've had great 64 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,520 weather before this. It's been a good December. It's one 65 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,719 of the warmest I can remember. But you know, it's uh, 66 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,199 you know, the birthday stuff is a week long stuff 67 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,039 in our family, so we we don't the day is 68 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,240 the day, but everything, you know, because of schedules, we 69 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:37,639 just we just celebrate a week. So it'll be fun. 70 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:41,599 Speaker 1: Love it, Dick harmor, Ladies and gentlemen, Well you're gonna 71 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:43,400 be watching this BYU Pacific game. 72 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: Uh. 73 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: Name of time in which football and basketball were better 74 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:51,120 than they are this day and age. We're back to 75 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:53,919 the glory days of when you've probably started covering the 76 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,159 Cops back in the eighties. 77 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:00,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think probably the era of the 78 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,639 Danny Ainge era in football, they were winning conference championships 79 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:07,759 in the whack back then you're going to bowl games 80 00:04:07,759 --> 00:04:10,639 and winning and you know, it's probably comparable with that, 81 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,599 but those teams were not both ranked in the top ten, 82 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:17,079 which happened this season. So no, this is a unique 83 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:20,399 time in BYU sports history where you can shift from 84 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,079 being at number eleven, a number ten, a number twelve, 85 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,399 as high as number seven ranked football team and then 86 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:30,439 just jump right into a basketball season where you're considered 87 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:33,319 going to the top ten teams in the country maybe 88 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,040 maybe probably one of the top seven. When things all 89 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,160 gets ironed out and you look at the comparative things 90 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,920 with the net ranking and and the other thing, so yeah, 91 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,560 there's there's no there. I can't remember a time like this. 92 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:50,639 Speaker 1: Crazy times. You gotta savor these moments. And BYU is 93 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,720 preparing for a pop Tarch Bowl and to be taking 94 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,040 on the number twenty two team in the country. Georgia 95 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:58,279 Tech got another opportunity to win a bowl game. You 96 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,480 mentioned it, winning bowl game. For BYA fans, I think 97 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:04,839 it matters, matters more than some people think. Look, Notre 98 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:07,160 Dame doesn't care about bowl games, not unless it's a 99 00:05:07,199 --> 00:05:10,560 college football playoff. They'll quit. But for BA fans, bowl 100 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,000 games matter. Why is that the way that BA finishes matters. 101 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,959 I think when the dust settles on this season. 102 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,959 Speaker 2: I think you're right, and I think what's in mentioning 103 00:05:19,959 --> 00:05:21,759 about this season is BA. You did make it at 104 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:25,120 the conference championship game, and a lot of people laid 105 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,439 down the coin and they went to that that game 106 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:29,959 and they spent the you know, thousands of dollars. And 107 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:32,160 it's going to be really interesting to see how some 108 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,439 of those same fans, if not others, you know, do 109 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,680 the same investment and go out to Orlando and support 110 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,879 this football team. What we've seen is that this generally 111 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,839 happens with Boa fans. They do travel well. The people 112 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:46,319 in the local areas that Boa plays, They come out 113 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:50,040 from multi state areas and they show up. And there'll 114 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:51,959 be interesting to see how many tickets b a yourself 115 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:52,560 for this game. 116 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'll be a good showing from Cougarnation 117 00:05:57,079 --> 00:05:59,480 out there in Orlando. Are you heading out to the game. 118 00:05:59,519 --> 00:06:02,720 You're gonna be out and taking part in the Disney, 119 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,240 the Mouse and the Universal Studios, et cetera. No. 120 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,879 Speaker 2: J Drew is going to go cover that for us. 121 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:12,639 He's going to leave a little bit later than normal 122 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,199 to cover that. But Bowl trips have always been a 123 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,639 part of what I've done over my career, and I've 124 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,720 taken my family with me and usually gone a couple 125 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,879 of days early and spent that. But no, I've got 126 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:25,639 a daughter coming in from Houston. She is underwent surgery 127 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,360 and she's coming in on Saturday, and so we planned 128 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,399 a big Christmas thing and I can do my thing remotely. 129 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:34,560 Ever since COVID, it's been an option. So I'll do that. 130 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: So, BYU, I believe is below five hundred all time 131 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,399 in Bowl games. What do you make of it? Why 132 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,519 is it that? BYU? I mean, look, they win eight 133 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,439 games of seasons since nineteen seventy two. They're well above 134 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:56,079 the five hundred bar collectively between Lavelle and Gary Croton, 135 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,839 Bronco Kilani. Why is it that we're sitting below five 136 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,800 hundred in these Bowl games? 137 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: I think it's two things. Back in the old days 138 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,759 when boy played in Bowl games, Lavelle had a philosophy 139 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:09,360 that he looked at it like it was a reward 140 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:13,000 for the team and not necessarily something that they had 141 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,959 to do. There was an emphasis on winning, but you know, 142 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:20,319 it wasn't the same thing that I think you see 143 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,079 Kline doing right now with his staff. That's one thing. 144 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,000 The other thing is, I'll take you back to nineteen 145 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:31,680 ninety nineteen eighty nine. I remember Ty Depmer throwing passes 146 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,480 to his receivers in the smith Field House on the 147 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,519 gym floor in sneakers, and that's how they prepared for 148 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,560 a bowl. They didn't have any endoor practice facility. They 149 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:46,279 either went outside where they had to get the plows 150 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:49,439 and they get the grass free where they could do that, 151 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:52,879 or they went inside the Smithfield House in that one 152 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,879 annex area and practice or else. It was one of 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,879 the dumbest things I've ever seen for a major college 154 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:00,839 football program to be able to watch the team in 155 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:03,319 a very limited area trying to run plays and prepare. 156 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:05,519 That's how they prepared for bowl games back in the 157 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,879 yearly seventies or late seventies, nine, eighties and nineties. It 158 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,879 was ridiculous that a practice facility I think was made 159 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,319 in the early two thousands. I think Gary Crunton was 160 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:18,879 the first to. 161 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: Enjoy that. 162 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it was a whole new era 163 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,199 back there, prepared for a bowl game and most of 164 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,560 your preparation had to take place in the three or 165 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,399 four days, you know, on site in San Diego for 166 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,600 the Holiday Bowl, where you actually had warm weather, so 167 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,039 that I think that had a part to do with it. 168 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,279 Speaker 1: Ben, Yeah, I think they see your perspective on this 169 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,200 is critical, right because there's a lot to take in 170 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,240 as it relates to the bowl record. Eighteen twenty two 171 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,720 and one, I believe is the official record, so just 172 00:08:57,799 --> 00:09:04,000 below five hundred. I believe this may be the I 173 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,840 want to say this is the third time BYU has 174 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:12,320 gone to Orlando in their bowl game history. They went 175 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,720 out to Orlando, Florida for the Tangerine Bowl in nineteen 176 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,519 seventy six. I don't remember that game, but they played 177 00:09:21,799 --> 00:09:23,840 I think they played Oklahoma. It was an Oklahoma State 178 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,799 in the Tangerine Bowl. I think it was, yes, yep. 179 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:32,639 And then they played in Orlando and the Sisters Bowl Ohio. 180 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: State, Ohio State, Ohio State. Yeah. 181 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this was their third time heading out to 182 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,039 Orlando for this. You get a top twenty five fo 183 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,759 this is good. This is kind of a can You 184 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,080 mentioned a few things there about why by US bulow 185 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,600 five hundred. You typically were going to get some really 186 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:50,120 really good football teams in these bowl games. 187 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: Oh don't know that about it. And you know, you 188 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,639 play Ohio State in the bowl game, that's you know. 189 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,679 I think I think it was Robbie Bosco that played 190 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,799 in that game. They had somebody I'm trying to remember 191 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:01,759 who was who had a pennocidies. I think it may 192 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:05,240 have been Roger Gurley on the running back or somebody, 193 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:07,000 but they had a couple of things that were really 194 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:09,480 weird that happened. And you know, be always very competitive 195 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:12,159 in that game. But going to Orlando was a big deal. 196 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,960 I mean, that is a great city. It's a great 197 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,360 area to go and play football at a practice and 198 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:18,679 for fans to go. And I mean we're talking about 199 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,279 Disney World, We're talking about Tiger Woods golf course that 200 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,200 he has down there, and Laura is always good. It's 201 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:27,159 a great venue. 202 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: Love that. So what what do you make of this 203 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,919 BYU football team this year? They're not elite, but they're 204 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,919 a great team. Where do you think this team is 205 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:41,960 going to rank amongst the best teams in BYU football history? 206 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: Oh? I think because of the schedule. I mean, look 207 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,879 at the teams that they played as a power for 208 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:50,840 the conference team in East, Team Carolina was a very 209 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,679 good team. They had a very difficult schedule. They had 210 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,879 to think the thirtieth the rank has straight the schedule 211 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:00,159 in the country and it was a hard don't I 212 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:01,960 don't think any of the best teams that Bay You 213 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,240 played had to schedule this difficult. That was rank so high. 214 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:06,879 Speaker 1: You'll go back to. 215 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: Ninety six, that team with Chad Lewis and the Tulamini 216 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,279 and Steve Sarkisian. They went on the road to Washington 217 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,679 and lost that game early in the season. Then they 218 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,240 never lost again. So that's probably one of the better 219 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,480 teams that you could say you could hang your hand on. 220 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:25,200 But this team at eleven wins, with the schedule that 221 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,799 they had, I think it has to go down as 222 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,639 one of the best teams in history. And it wasn't 223 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,080 a flashy team. It was a hard hat, lunch pail, 224 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:37,039 take it to the game, work it out, grind it out. 225 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,480 Good good offensive line, a decent defensive front, seven, great linebackers, 226 00:11:42,799 --> 00:11:45,120 some of the best the corners that boy has ever had. 227 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,440 I think as far as man coverage, no, I think 228 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:51,559 I think this team had it all. When you have 229 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:54,519 the leading rusher in the Big twelve, the number six 230 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,879 rusher in the country on your team and you're able 231 00:11:57,879 --> 00:12:00,360 to get him the ball and get him the positions 232 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,279 where he's able to just grind out things and wear 233 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,799 people down. It's it's been a different kind of a 234 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,200 BYU team, but from the ones that we remember when 235 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,679 they were throwing the ball forty forty five times. But 236 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,120 because of Bear Bachmeyer and his development, I think it's 237 00:12:12,159 --> 00:12:15,919 been handled brilliantly by the coaching staff and Aaron Roderick 238 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 and the things that they've been able to do. It's 239 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:21,519 been remarkable because you know, back in June when all 240 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,039 the stuff went down with Rattle, if you're thinking, okay, 241 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,000 kind of thought this team would be back to winning 242 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:29,720 ten or eleven games, but no way now. But then 243 00:12:29,759 --> 00:12:31,720 they did it, and I think that's remarkable. 244 00:12:32,879 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: Dick Harmon, legendary b writer and BYU reporter here on 245 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:42,320 your Utah ESPN Radio network and just talking some Cougar 246 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:45,200 football here with him. A couple of things I want 247 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,159 to get into as well with you, Dick, is is 248 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:52,919 as we look at you mentioned a couple of things 249 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:57,039 that that we've discussed today that that reminded me of 250 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,440 a discussion that we had earlier in the show. The 251 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:03,519 offense with the true freshman quarterback was tremendous. You got 252 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:04,840 to give a lot of credit to Barry, got to 253 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,200 give a lot of credit to Aaron Roders. I don't 254 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,399 think many fans give it. I think they're coming around. 255 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,480 I think they're beginning to prospect a Ron as a 256 00:13:12,519 --> 00:13:16,279 play caller. They look at him coming in in twenty 257 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,879 eighteen as the passing game condinator, taking over some I mean, 258 00:13:19,919 --> 00:13:21,320 I've been told that, and I don't know if you've 259 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,240 been told this as well, but I was told that 260 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:27,399 he took over primary play calling duties in twenty nineteen 261 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,000 versus Boise State. I don't know if you can confirm 262 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,559 or deny that, if you've heard the same, similar and 263 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:36,799 essentially right, if that's true, right, yes, yeah, okay, so 264 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:39,679 that's true. Twenty twenty then was his season as the 265 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,279 primary play caller. That was a great offensive season. Twenty 266 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,840 twenty one was a great offensive season. Twenty twenty two 267 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,279 a little bit of a dip there, and then in 268 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,879 two thousand twenty three not a good showing, right, but 269 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,879 the final two games were good. Obviously, the last two 270 00:13:54,919 --> 00:14:00,039 seasons were fantastic offensively, in my opinion, really good. And 271 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,440 so we were discussing who the best offense coordinators are 272 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,879 in by football. You're the best offensive coordinator in b 273 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:09,120 WA football history? Is where would you lean it? Are 274 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:11,879 you the Doug Scolville guy, the one that laid the 275 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,320 architecture down for everybody else to follow. Are you a 276 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:20,120 Norm Chow guy. Are you a Gary Croton guy and 277 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:22,000 he's a good play card. Are you a Robert and 278 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,080 I guy? Are you a a narrow Roder guy? Where 279 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,840 do you think if we pulled the fans collectively, what 280 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:32,039 type of poll would we see at the end of it? 281 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:32,600 Who would win? 282 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I mean a lot of people 283 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:40,000 were not around when Doug Scolville was and they don't 284 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,600 understand what he did and transforming the passing game at 285 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:46,960 b YU and back then you didn't have the influence 286 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,360 of NFL defensive coordinators in the game. And he completely, 287 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:57,279 excuse me, he completely took the college scene by storm 288 00:14:57,559 --> 00:15:00,799 and viny way that he would on his offense and 289 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,440 lager the receivings and the targets, and college football was 290 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,840 not ready for that. And so you got to give 291 00:15:06,919 --> 00:15:09,840 him credit for bringing that in and the way that 292 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:14,480 he developed quarterbacks back in the day. And you just 293 00:15:14,559 --> 00:15:16,519 named the ones that went down the line with Giffer 294 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:20,279 Nielsen and Jim McMahon and Mark Wilson. I mean, this 295 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:23,480 was the heyday of BAU quarterbacks been I remember, I 296 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,440 remember back in the day when when Mark Wilson played 297 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,240 at San Diego, and I think in four or five 298 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,360 first passes he threw three touchdown passes and Arepa Singa Parsia, 299 00:15:32,679 --> 00:15:36,000 the former Notary Gate Dame coach, was on the call 300 00:15:36,039 --> 00:15:37,559 and he was saying, I've never seen anything like this. 301 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,320 So that's the day back and there, and then you 302 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,480 had Norm Show, who was an alkolade of is. I 303 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:47,360 think Norm Chow is a very underappreciated coach for the 304 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,000 things that he did in developing receivers. He started as 305 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,360 a receiver coach at by U and then he was 306 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,519 the offensive coordinator. But no, he was brilliant in the 307 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:58,879 way that he could do things. And I think you 308 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:01,440 got a credit the Lances for coming along and helping 309 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:04,639 him in a lot of ways behind the scenes. But no, 310 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:07,399 Norm Chow should be right up there with Scoville. I 311 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,759 think Scoville's won norm Chow's two. I would put the 312 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,399 running back acumen that Robert and I have brought in. 313 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,919 He had a couple of the leading rushers and THEU 314 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,440 history because of the design that he had and the 315 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,879 attitude that he had. But right now, in this era 316 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:30,320 of independence and the power of Power four and the 317 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Big Twelve. You've got to give Aaron Roderson credit. This 318 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:36,080 season has been remarkable what he's been able to do. 319 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,360 You look back at every game, they started slow, sometimes offensively, 320 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:42,840 but he's found a way to grind, grind it out. 321 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:45,759 And this team has been remarkable in the way it's 322 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,399 been able to focus on the task at hand, trust 323 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,240 one another, and believe in themselves to come back from 324 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,480 fourteen points down. I think it's three times this year 325 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,480 that they did that early in games, and it's just 326 00:16:56,519 --> 00:16:59,200 been one of the better seasons I've seen. And I 327 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,399 think Aaron Rodnick deserves all the credit in the world. 328 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: Love that breakdown, Dick harmon, Ladies and gentlemen, a couple 329 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:08,880 less things before we let you go. You're gonna be 330 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,640 watching the BYU men's basketball game tonight, and obviously this 331 00:17:13,759 --> 00:17:18,759 team he is amazing, monumental. You know we're gonna get 332 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,720 aj for one season, though, right Are we ever going 333 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:27,759 to have Danny Ainge, a Jimmer for Debt type player 334 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:31,640 come through a kresimirchosis that goes for you know, three 335 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:35,359 four years and then leaves after becoming a legend. Are 336 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,759 we going to have any of those anymore. Do you 337 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:39,759 think Richie Saunders? Maybe maybe it's the Richie. Richie's a 338 00:17:39,839 --> 00:17:41,759 legend and he's going to become a legend. Are we 339 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:43,559 going to continue to have that in this new era? 340 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:48,039 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think because of the way. 341 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:50,279 I mean, you're if you're going to get a top 342 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:52,279 twenty five player and he's going to be that good, 343 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:54,839 he's won and done, you might get a second year 344 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,039 out of him, but you know, depending on where he's 345 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,160 projected in the draft, because it might be more financial 346 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,960 well off to come back for a second year with 347 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,839 nil and to take advantage of that rather than to 348 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:09,240 be a free agent or not be drafted. So that 349 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:11,880 could happen with a player. But I think the key 350 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,880 to that story is that boy's going to be in 351 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,559 the game with some top notch players AJ paving the way. 352 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,200 Now you get a guy like Rob Wright. I mean, 353 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:24,599 these two guys with Richie, you're probably the best trio 354 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,359 that I've ever seen. And I've been covering BAU basketball 355 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,440 first well just washing it back in the mid sixties, 356 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,559 so professionally since seventy eight, but I've never seen a 357 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:37,000 trio like this. The closest you could get was probably 358 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:42,319 Danny Ainge and Fred Roberts and Steve Trumbo and Greg Kite, 359 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:45,000 that group of guys that played in the NBA. That 360 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,160 was a good team of talent. But this is a 361 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,759 remarkable talent in a lot of ways that Boy's never had. 362 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,640 Can you ever imagine a guard like Robert Wright doing 363 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,720 what he's doing? The defenses you can't guard him. Now, 364 00:18:57,759 --> 00:18:59,880 he's taken some shots, he forces some stuff, he gets 365 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:02,160 in there and gets caught. You've never seen a dribbler 366 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,920 that can do what he did on the BAU uniform. 367 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. Who's the I need you 368 00:19:08,039 --> 00:19:11,519 to write this article. Who's the best big three in 369 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,279 B y U basketball history? 370 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a very good question. And then you 371 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:21,480 might have to go back to Jimmer Forett, Jimmer Furdett 372 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:27,559 and Emery and uh let's see the facada that got suspended. 373 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:32,200 What's his name, Brandon Davies. And then you had a 374 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,279 team there that probably was one of the best chemistry 375 00:19:35,279 --> 00:19:38,279 teams that Boy's ever had. I mean the way those 376 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:42,640 pieces fit, the role plane that was done, the unselfishness 377 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,599 of those players to act with you. That to one 378 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:47,480 of the greatest shooters that ever put on a bo uniform. 379 00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:48,359 That was That was Elead. 380 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: Lose you there, Dick, You're still there? 381 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: No? 382 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: No, okay, sorry I thought I sorry, I thought I 383 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,119 lost you there for a second. Yeah. The big obviously 384 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,599 rob right third and of Richie, Saunders and AJ It'll 385 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,319 be intriguing to see how they continue to win their 386 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:09,240 way through their schedule. Well Dick, and join the game 387 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:11,759 to night. Happy birthday. We love and appreciate you as always. 388 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:15,680 Appreciate talking some ball with you, talking sports, talking Cougar sports. 389 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,160 Nobody does it better than you, Dick, your legend. Appreciate 390 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,039 you joining us today. 391 00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:21,559 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks Ben, You guys do a great job. Keep 392 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,880 up the good work and hope to see you around. 393 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,880 I'll see you down at bull practice probably, thank you. 394 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll see you down there. Appreciate you, Dick. Harmon, 395 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:31,599 Ladies and gentlemen. 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