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Speaker 2: What is up? Welcome back to soft core History. I
am your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined as
always by Dan Rojesterle's have ourselves a day. It's a
good day.
Speaker 1: It is, it's a good week, it's a good month.
Speaker 2: I'm drinking beer at two o'clock. I'm eating nachas for dinner,
and it's gonna be a good gonna make good time.
Speaker 1: Is that the only thing your wife can make for
Super Bowl Sunday?
Speaker 2: I'll probably drink the nachos.
Speaker 1: Okay, she can't even put shredded cheese on chips.
Speaker 2: Well, there's give me some steak involved, some saute onions
and peppers.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but she can't do the bare minimum. This
is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a notcho man. I'm not gonna trust
her to.
Speaker 1: Do it, not June nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm a very particular nonchoment. Plus she makes it alone
up with like ground turkey on it, which I'd rather
just kill myself to be honest.
Speaker 1: This early obviously the big game, gotta watch that, but
we also got the waste management on in the background.
Speaker 2: It's a good day, piece of personal history is the
ten year anniversary of my trip to the Super Bowl
when I snuck into the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: Locker room when they beat the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2: Yah, when they beat the Panthers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when Cam Newton made a business.
Speaker 2: He's still paying for I think that business doesn't cost
him money.
Speaker 1: To be honest, he's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's doing fine.
Speaker 1: But anyway, he's actually in the podcast game himself.
Speaker 2: He's a good podcaster. I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Well, whoever his clip guy is certainly yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Probably some Indian dude.
Speaker 1: Then he has like a hype up guy. He does
a podcast with somebody else. I have no idea who
the other guy is, but the reactions from the other
guy kind of make the Cam Newton show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a great it's I enjoy it. It's
because he's it's barely a it's not really a podcast.
It's just like a crazy person with a microphone. Yeah,
having fun, which we need more of.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I agree, we're trure. We try to be too down
the middle. Well it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: We're just two vanilla whites.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to break. We need to just get fucked.
Speaker 1: We need a hype man as our third we do
we are.
Speaker 2: Missing that third heat.
Speaker 1: To quote Jack Donnegie, Jake wasn't really that.
Speaker 2: I just think a guy that reacts big to every
historical fact we give, like, oh shit, yeah me meed
the second dude, what.
Speaker 1: We might grow.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we got a good topic today. Either way,
it is actually a timely topic in terms of like
it's in the news right now, but today we're talking
about the most forgotten man.
Speaker 1: Of the Forgotten War, the forgotten where there's many, quite
a few forgotten America's forgotten War. Okay, you should know
it as the one your grandpa was sort of in Korea. Yeah,
it's called the Forgotten War. Oh well yeah, I mean
he was just playing basketball, he didn't planes. Yeah, it
was one of the better times of his life, fixing planes,
reading out of the manual with a flashlight, not really
knowing anything about planes to begin with, and then sending
people up the next day.
Speaker 2: This episode has to do with planes in the Korean War.
Speaker 1: He probably put a massive part in it.
Speaker 2: He did not because he was air force, right. Yeah,
this man was a naval aviator, so he's taking off
aircraft carriers. But I thought that for a second too,
and then I was like, wait, no, fuck, Danions grandpa
was Air Force. I would have loved for him to
be the one fixing this guy's play.
Speaker 1: We can definitely do some historical topics around my family,
especially my mom's side, the Murphy's.
Speaker 2: The Michigan political dynasty.
Speaker 1: Yeah that just got ejected for mass corruption.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you.
Speaker 1: There's also multiple Frank Murphy's in Michigan. One becomes governor
and one's only lieutenant governor. There's my great grandfather is
the one that only became lieutenant governor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, still high enough to sell the seat though.
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick's one of the more powerful lieutenant governors in
the country. Yeah, that was here in Texas.
Speaker 2: That was a weird thing when I moved to Texas
because I don't think I could have ever told you
a single lieutenant governor of Missouri.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, Dan Patrick's name is everywhere.
Speaker 2: It's I always and well he almost like combats Abbot,
the like butt heads off the he does. Now. One
of the reasons that stood out to me though, is
because of Sports Center.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, why these people keep tayling their
Dan Patrick, the good Dan Patrick, Like you just get
to textas and they're like that Dan Patrick's a real
piece of shit, and it's like what he do, dude?
I enjoy a show, yeah, whenever I catch it, you know.
And he's pretty even keel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good guy. I mean, I like Rich Eyes
and better, but I like Dave Patrick. What is the man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but obviously I'm a Van Pelt boy. Yeah, we're
both Golf Channel lumps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, brothers, brothers in arms really yeah. Yeah. But the
Korean War it's always funny because it really gets it
gets such a shaft in the twentieth century, especially because
really in all the American wars, like it never gets
talked about. Every other war has a moment or it's
just big in general. You know, the Revolution's Revolution eighteen twelve,
you got the burning of the White House and Francis
Scott Key, Mexican War, we grab half the country. Civil Wars,
Civil War, Spanish American War. You get Teddy Roosevelt charging
up San Juan Hill. World War One's World War, World
War two is World War Two.
Speaker 1: We have done a couple of Korean War episodes, maybe
just one, but I know we have it in the
archives somewhere. We did the the Acts incident.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. No, but that wasn't even during the
Korean War. It was just over the DMZ. It was
after the Korean War.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess I don't really know the timeframe
of the Korean War in totality, early fifties. I get that.
I just don't know when it ends. I don't know
when it like bleeds into Vietnam.
Speaker 2: It doesn't bleed into Vietnam, okay, but like we're technically
still at war, let's go. Yeah, like it never ended.
Speaker 1: That's a tricky for me then. Obviously Un is one
of my greatest supporters. Yeah, I think there's a statue
of me in North Korea.
Speaker 2: And now, full disclosure, Kim Jong un has read in
the past, and that's not even a joke. No, it's not.
And be fortunately we won't be talking shit on any
North Koreans today. So Kim, if you're listening, he's not,
We're still good.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have anything to do with him, though he's
not gonna listen.
Speaker 2: That's true. It's just yeah, it's just the Korean Wars.
But like it is, it's between World War two and
Vietnam and World War two is World War two and
then NOM is like a mess and we just kind
of want to forget about it.
Speaker 1: But it was really like it was a crazy war.
Speaker 2: There were huge swings in it, and there was a
lot of like like wild notable shit that happened, like
MacArthur wanting to nuke the North Korean Chinese border.
Speaker 1: We just got the technology we might as well use.
Speaker 2: He was like, why are we using the shit? And
Truman was like wha you drop two of them? Truman
was like, you're insane and you have to go.
Speaker 1: Korea was way more violent than I think people understand
brutal brutal war because everyone's just kind of like, oh,
you're in Korea.
Speaker 2: No, it even NOM too, But like there was we're
at the point now in US military history being like
we were not we were more powerful than North Korea.
We had a better military North Korea and China, but
like it was not leaps and bounds the way it
is now. Like it was just dirtier. You had to
get on the ground more.
Speaker 1: I don't know, have you seen the North Korean Army
kind of do their parades.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen the parades with their fake ass missiles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean they're always in Unison.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 1: They can march straight and SYNCD up.
Speaker 2: They can march straight into our robot drones and get
chopped up.
Speaker 1: So we've outlawed a bunch of the I think Dji
Drones are. It's a Chinese drone company.
Speaker 2: Okay, is it like I have one? So it's recreational drones.
Speaker 1: I mean they make recreational drones. They also make just
like legit pro film drones.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But last time I went to the Precision Camera store,
I was looking to like get some new batteries for
my drone, and they're like, oh, we actually got rid
of all DJ products because I think the US passed
a loss and that it's illegal to sell them.
Speaker 2: Now make them sure they had some weird shit in there.
Speaker 1: That in China could just fuck us up with five
hundred dollars drones.
Speaker 2: It's the entire Ukraine War. Yeah, because they are using
essentially like a lot of recreational drones that just have
like bombs on them.
Speaker 1: And really, my knowledge on this goes solely from the
guy behind the counter. So if I'm completely wrong on this,
just no, I trusted him.
Speaker 2: Why would he make that up? I don't know. He
could he could just be wrong, but he could also
be right. It's like, we don't sell that anyeah, it's
illegal now. But yeah, it's a shame we don't know
more about the Korean War because I think it's.
Speaker 1: I probably have a couple of cousins over in Korea.
Speaker 2: Do you think you think so? Is that where your
grandpa was doing leave?
Speaker 1: Grandfather said it was the best time of his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a real Uh.
Speaker 1: So, my dad has brothers and sisters, they have kids.
Those are my cousins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a King of the Hill episode where they
go to Japan and find Cotton's war son. I think
it's a similar situation.
Speaker 1: Oh almost certainly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we forgot the war. It's the forgotten war.
But one man, the most forgotten man. He was forgotten
on purpose for national security reasons. But now finally and
he is still alive. He's one hundred years old.
Speaker 1: Was he a pow?
Speaker 2: Nope. Captain Royce Williams will be receiving the Medal of
Honor shortly.
Speaker 1: When's he supposed to receive it?
Speaker 2: I actually I don't know. Let me as soon I
know that it was just announced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, times ticking. When you're at that age, you gotta
do it a sap. But they do Monday or Tuesday.
We don't know how many breasts this guy has.
Speaker 2: Last Yeah, he needs to be on the next honor
flight to Washington, DC and get that thing put around
his neck a SAP. I kind of wonder. I don't wonder,
but I wish like part of the Medal of Honor
voting was like the Heisman voting.
Speaker 1: You should be able to see all the votes.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the other recipients should get get a vote.
Speaker 1: Next guy up, Yeah, like I want to.
Speaker 2: I just want like Dakota Meyer, who we've met and know,
to just like vote no on Roy.
Speaker 1: Also, just fuck it? Why I stopped there? Do the
uh dr Pepper Heisman House Honor recipients live in the
same fuck mansion or something.
Speaker 2: That'd be such a good sketch if we had the
like resources. Yeah, let's do it, Medal of Honor house.
Speaker 1: We can make it work. We know one Medal of
Honor recipient. We do know one Medal of Honor recipient.
Speaker 2: We just need to have either hire a bunch of
really old men actors or do us an old guy makeup.
Speaker 1: Did Kyle Carpenter receive the Medal of Honor?
Speaker 2: Which guy is that?
Speaker 1: He's the one that got blown up his face Carolina
all blown up? Yeah, yes he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy's Middle of Honor winner.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he read TFM back the day.
Speaker 2: Oh, he might have.
Speaker 1: We have a content. We can get him, we can
we can get.
Speaker 2: Carbon and he's he's actually, uh so he got his
face fucked up pretty bad.
Speaker 1: But no, he looks good now, he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he like when he got the Medal of Honor
it was gnarly, but he is. They've done some good
work on him.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they've injected all the stem cells.
Speaker 2: I'm happy and I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1: Obviously he should not have to pay for another beer
the rest of his life and always have his dick.
Speaker 2: Wet all of them. I feel like Dakota does because
he keeps having kids or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He had kids with one woman. I
thought he had some more, do you know? I think
he only has kids with just the two the Palins.
Speaker 2: With the paling chick. Yeah, all right, never mind retracted.
So Captain Royce Williams was a naval aviator in the
Korean War. Elmer Royce Williams, he was nicknamed Royce, was
born April fourth, nineteen twenty five in South Dakota, and
from a young age him and his brothers aspired to
be pilots. You know, the early twenties, thirty twenties and thirties,
so kind of a hot new thing. Yeah, it's like
wanting to be an astronaut type of situation in the sixties.
So he'd always been interested in flight.
Speaker 1: It's a little different than wanting to be an astronaut.
I don't think it is an astronaut's insane.
Speaker 2: And I think I think in the twenties people thought
flying was insane.
Speaker 1: I guess it's all perspective, but literally going into outer space.
I'm not saying another thing. I'm not saying that one
isn't more impressive than the other. I just think they
were of the same mindset. We're probably gonna die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like sweet and and adventurous.
Speaker 1: And not even a fifty to fifty chance you want
to come back, gotta crash.
Speaker 2: So he grows up wants to be a pilot. Nineteen
forty one, December, Pearl Harbor gets attacked and Williams and
his brother enlisted in the US Navy. However, Williams did
not go into Well, he was in the Navy, but
he kind of like deferred it because he wanted to go,
I guess to school to watch the greatest football dynasty
of the era.
Speaker 1: I have the league.
Speaker 2: No, No, you're Minnesota Golden Gophers.
Speaker 1: Minnesota, Ya. They had a bit of a run there
in the forties.
Speaker 2: Thirties and forties. So actually he gets it right after
they win their last Natty. But they won like four
between the thirties and forties, so I think he was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get to count the Natties that you
won during World War.
Speaker 2: Two, so you don't I agree with that, But iWar
they won their last Natty like ten days into America's
involvement World War Two, right because December forty one, their
last championship was forty one.
Speaker 1: Dude, imagine that week you win the national championship. Then
he gets shipped off overseas to the European theater.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just did in North Africa two weeks later
after winning the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1: Why not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he goes to the University of Minnesota, and
I think he goes through like not ocs what's it
called Ratzi and he's in college the whole time. By
the time he's out, he becomes a naval aviator, but
it's August nineteen forty five, so there's a month left
in the war. He doesn't get into World War two,
missus World War two. Miss the cut could have gone,
but he had to. He wanted to be a Gopher
first before he was a Patriot.
Speaker 1: And that tells you everything you need to know about
the University of Minnesota. Don't you hate Minnesota. I really
am indifferent to them.
Speaker 2: I just had a bad interaction with a fan like
online where I was like, who the fuck do you
think you are? Yeah, you're a Minnesota fan.
Speaker 1: I have that with Mississippi State.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You just get these like these, like it's almost
like a bad taste, you know, from one it's just
one guy. But I'm just like, yeah.
Speaker 1: He ruins the reputation of the entire school. I go.
Speaker 2: It was just very, very full of himself, and I
was like, dude, it's not that big a deal. You're Minnesota.
But he misses World War Two, but he makes up
for it, makes up for it, and then some he
actually serves in the Navy all the way until nineteen eighty,
so he becomes a Navy lifer. He retires as a
you know, in his sixties or whatever. But he missed
the World War Two. He gets into Korea though. During
Korea he was a fighter pilot in the Navy taking
off from an aircraft carrier. Like well, I guess Ted
Williams was in the Air Force. But he's a fighter
pilot in Korea, like you know, Ted Williams, like John Glenn,
a lot of good fighter pilots in that In that war,
he flew a Grumming F nine F five Panther fighter jet.
His unit was known as the Pacemakers, and they were
off the aircraft carrier, the USS or Ascani.
Speaker 1: The Pacemakers because they can just shut your heart off
at any moment.
Speaker 2: Apparently, Yeah, they just they just take you down.
Speaker 1: Oh I heard a rumor. This is terrifying. You know
how a lot of cars now have the kill switch. Yeah,
apparently paysmakers do too.
Speaker 2: Well, that's just fucked up.
Speaker 1: The sinister as hell.
Speaker 2: That's the worst thing I've ever heard. So don't get
a paysmaker like all of them are just like you.
Like I think every new if like a registered sex
offender gets atmaker.
Speaker 1: I think it's everybody, so they can just shut it
off at any moment. That's not I don't know if again,
I don't know if it's true. I just heard that
can't be true.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can fuck up somebody's pastmaker pretty easily, though.
Speaker 1: I hate that. I have a truck now that can
get killed at any moment. Say I'm running like I'm
running from the police, I'm on the lamb. They can
just shut my car down.
Speaker 2: Hey, man, if you got nothing to hide, you don't
need to worry about your kill switch.
Speaker 1: But that was a selling point when I bought my
truck to like, oh dude, actually, like, if your trunk
gets stolen, you can just shut it off at any time.
Speaker 2: And so can anyone else with the right tools.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, that's not cool. I do not. That's not
a selling point for me. I've insurance do either. Cars.
Speaker 2: Cars have gone too far, Like I don't like touch
screens in the car. I don't. It's just too much shit.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna have that giant screen in the middle,
why can't I throw the game.
Speaker 2: On, right?
Speaker 1: I should be able to do that. I'm sure the
way you can hack it USB, you can plug in yeah,
and it's just overrides it.
Speaker 2: You can just drive around Austin and night watching the
Super Bowl. Good Williams flew seventy missions, I think combat missions,
but seventy missions in Korea, and he wasn't done there.
He went to Vietnam and he flew another one hundred
and ten missions.
Speaker 1: There in a four Skyhawks f four phantoms, again off
of aircraft carrier, this time the USS Kiddy Hawk.
Speaker 2: So this guy flew one hundred and eighty combat missions
in his combat service. He was in the Navy till
nineteen eighty, but in his combat service across two wars,
one hundred and eighty missions missed World War Two. But
he gets a shitt it now. The reason he's so forgotten,
the reason we covered up his name, and why he's
just now getting the Medal of Honor is because his
most important mission came during the Korean War and it
was too hot to print, too spicy, too spicy to print.
Speaker 1: Did involve war.
Speaker 2: Crimes, no, no, but it did involve things that weren't
supposed to be happening.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not a war crime. It's the first time.
I think that's the fat electrician.
Speaker 2: He says that, Yeah, everyone gets one.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a military thing because Coop said it a
bunch of times.
Speaker 2: Coop only did basic training. Is that what they tell
you the first week?
Speaker 1: That's actually the first lesson, you know, And if it's
the first.
Speaker 2: Time, it's just that's this orientation.
Speaker 1: I'm the loophole. It's critical thinkings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really creative. It's like cheating in school, right,
like a lot a lot of cheating takes a lot
of cleverness. You almost want to reward the cleverness.
Speaker 1: I got busted in high school in my French class
with my graphing calculator out because you could put things
in words into it.
Speaker 2: Now, that is a suspect time to have a graphic
calculator on your desk.
Speaker 1: I mean technically, I didn't get caught. She just told
me to put my calculator away. I just said I
was playing block Man in the middle of your day,
in the middle of my task. Yeah, yeah, we I'm like,
I gotta, you know, think while I play block Man.
Speaker 2: It's fair.
Speaker 1: It really just gets the juices go.
Speaker 2: It's it's something about the French. It puts the puzzle together.
In high school my senior year, we all got laptops
and in math class, like this is back when this
is two thousand and four, So like if you think
about how bad old people are at technology now and
then dial it back twenty two years. We told the
teacher we were like, oh, because we were allowed to
use calculator, Like, oh, I just use a calculator on
my laptop. And then we all had instant Messenger, AOL,
Instant Messenger open, and we're just sharing me answers with
each other calculators.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing we were taught in high school
was how to actually do everything through the calculators. Get
to college, do my gen ed math classes can't use calculators?
The fuck? Why?
Speaker 2: Fuck?
Speaker 1: Why? Why can't I use my TI eighty three.
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever had a math class like
that in college. I think I only took one.
Speaker 1: I did take one math class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was allowed to use calculator.
Speaker 1: Gene's are stupid, But we also, I know what I'm
going to school for.
Speaker 2: I didn't even take it at Miszoo. I took it
at a community college over the summer, just to like
make it even easier than it already would be, or
like because I stuck at math and she the community
college is just like you can have a note card
front and back full of whatever you need. So we
were allowed to cheat.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, we get a little note card that you
just write the smallest print possible, oh my god, like
two font just but with your hand by hand.
Speaker 2: So on November eighteenth, nineteen fifty two, Williams is a
twenty seven year old lieutenant and he's up in the
sky in his F nine F five Panther fighter jet.
He's flying his second mission of the day. It's combat
air patrol near Joryang, North Korea. I guess over the
Sea of Japan. I don't know, just standard combat patrol.
There's a blizzard going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people forget this. Japan snows a lot. Actually the
country with the most amount of snow Japan. I don't
know that actually snows the most. People would think Russia,
maybe somewhere in like Scandinavia, not Japan. I would I
would never guess that, just like by inches, I think
per feet per year.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: The amount us know.
Speaker 2: So the conditions are dogshit, so they're like all right,
let's take it. Let's take it up into the clouds,
take it up above the weather. Williams is leading four planes,
all panthers, like the one himself. He's he's the lead though.
So they climb through the blizzard. They get to like
twelve thousand feet and they're just on their combat air patrol.
They're looking around, just seeing what they could see, seeing
if anybody's out there to make trouble, to attack the carrier,
to attack the group, whatever to the task force. They
look up and at forty thousand feet they see seven
planes that are not supposed to be there, Soviet MiG
fifteen fighter jets.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't know if North Korea
is really patrolling the skies.
Speaker 2: They had an air force, but yeah, we were.
Speaker 1: We kicked the kick this. Yeah, we kicked the ship
out of their air force. Yeah, they had paper planes
that they sent up there.
Speaker 2: I think they got some like old ship from the Soviets,
probably some World War two ship, and maybe the Chinese too.
I don't even know what the Chinese had back then.
So they see these, they see seven MiG jets above them,
And the thing about that is is that the Soviet
Union is not officially part of.
Speaker 1: This war, no, but it's Cold War.
Speaker 2: It's Cold War. They are unofficially part of it.
Speaker 1: Technically every war. Oh yeah, they're supplying the North Korean.
Speaker 2: They're in the mix with the equipment, intelligence, logistics, everything.
But apparently the Soviets were like, Nord Korean Air Force
aint cutting it, So we're gonna have to get into
the ship ourselves a little bit. So they sent these
fighter jets out. The MiGs had launched from Unashi Airfield,
uh in a lot of a lot of vustic.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's patrol in the Canadian skies right.
Speaker 2: Right, which we have to apparently, and some Canadians get
like really mad about it, Like Canadian conservatives especially are.
Speaker 1: Like, god, damn it we Chinese.
Speaker 2: Yeah, spy balloons that they were mad about that. Like
I saw tweets about that being like can't even patrol
our own fucking skies? What is wrong with us?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I agree, what is wrong with you?
Figure it out?
Speaker 2: Remember that when you talk shit on getting the gold
medal in the hockey in a couple.
Speaker 1: Of weeks, Now we got this. Yeah, I think we're
gonna win this shit got this.
Speaker 2: So in interviews, Williams was like, I've Basically he was like,
I've never We had never seen this before. There had
not been actual Soviet MiG fifteen jets that engaged us
in any way before. Uh, this was new, and so
they were a little confused at first.
Speaker 1: Two of his pilots.
Speaker 2: Soon aborted the mission because they had a one had
a fuel pump malfunction and low fuel because of it,
or no one had a fuel pump malfunction, one had
low fuel. So Williams and his wingman h Rolins were
now left alone with these seven MiGs, and at first
maybe they were like, I don't know what they're doing there,
Like they're up there real high, like what the fuck
is going on? Well, the MiGs start to dive, the
MiGs spot them and they're like target acquired.
Speaker 1: Now for the people at home, he's using the word
MiG with an m.
Speaker 2: Was it not clear?
Speaker 1: It wasn't very clear enough meg. I don't know you're
saying too fast. Well, I feel like.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows what a MiG is like if you've seen
top Gun. In the first one he fights MiGs did.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I've never seen top Gun one all
the way through. I've only seen the Miles telegone.
Speaker 2: The I don't think i've ever watched the first Top
Gun front to back, but I have seen, like obviously
parts of it, including the battle at the end. But
the Meg is like the there's different versions of it
throughout the Cold War, but the MiG is is meg
is like their their standard jet.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking out for your brother. I appreciate that,
Big Doug, you got this. Yeah, pound that beer.
Speaker 2: I just I can say I'm drunk.
Speaker 1: That's not an excuse, is it not.
Speaker 2: No, I'll say it doesn't work that if I go
to AA.
Speaker 1: After it's a start, okay, but it's a twelve step program.
It's only step one admitting you have a problem.
Speaker 2: It's true. So the Megs dive and they start firing
on the American American jets on Williams. Williams fires back.
He fires at the last Meg in the formation, and
I think he hits it because it drops out of
formation pretty much meanly doesn't shoot it down, but it
drops out. It just goes away. Sorry, Yeah, it drops
out of formation and then rollands. His wingman pursues it
to go shoot it down. Leaving Williams in a one
on six fight against six MiGs. Okay, now it should
be noted if you don't know much about American military history,
Cold War history, stuff like that. Obviously, Now American fighter
jets just shit on everyone, like it's not even close.
I think we're the only ones with fifth gen fighters,
and or maybe the Russians have like six of them
but they don't work, and the Chinese might have like
one or two that also don't work.
Speaker 1: I feel like ninety percent of UFOs are just American
top secret air projects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I fall with that as well.
Speaker 1: The other ten percent, I don't know, couldichin, it could
be Russia, couldbe aliens, interdimensional being, interdimensional beings to quote
Tom DeLong. But really the majority of them are just
us trying things out in the sky.
Speaker 2: Because and this is why it's probably true, it's the
least satisfying answer, and that to me tends to be
the most often correct answer.
Speaker 1: Why keep a secretive other than to hide it from
our enemies? We should anytime we put out something new
that should hit the press like immediately, Yeah, just kind
of pump their chest, little patriotism. I feel like that's
what the reality the true.
Speaker 2: See, Like, that's what the Chinese do.
Speaker 1: We need a little of that, though, do we?
Speaker 2: I think the mystery is scarier because I think about.
Speaker 1: You're right, actually, in a horror film, you never want
to see the true killer, right, It's scarier for him
to hide in the shadows because if you think about, like,
that's the real boogeyman.
Speaker 2: Every time I see like an American or a new
American weapon or something, or if I see a new
Chinese weapon, I'm like, boy, if that's what we know about,
what the fuck don't we know about? What are they
not showing us? And it just leaves a terrifying dark cloud. Yeah,
well for me, it lee a happy cloud where I'm like, yay, it's.
Speaker 1: A weapon that just takes all the water out of
your body.
Speaker 2: Just Indiana Jones, is you It boils you from the
inside like Last Crusade. No, it just like raisins you
like yep. So again we kind of think now, like,
oh yeah, America fire jet's always the best blah blah.
Even World War Two, by the end, other than the
German literal jet, our fighters were the best. But this
was not the case at this time. The MiG fifteen
was faster, it was more agile and had better guns
than our panthers did, and it had a better acceleration
and better climbrate. I mean, this was a better fighter jet.
Speaker 1: I feel like the Soviets were cooking for a bit there.
It's just modern Russia. I don't really put a ton
of respect on no.
Speaker 2: Early I think almost all, like oh Russia is scary
is early Cold War where they actually had some dope
shit and end of World War Two, like the T
thirty four tank and stuff like that was just they
had the best tank in the in the in the war.
So yeah, that like period like forty four to sixty
Soviets were we were cooking.
Speaker 1: And I'll always give the Soviets credit for helping us
when or being like a massive part of winning World
War two. They're not the only reason, the people that
they're also actually the Soviets won World War two. They're
not even the main reason. And we could have done
it by ourselves. Would have been way worse, would have been
way worse, way bloody.
Speaker 2: Here, But we could have done it by ourselves. I'm
glad we didn't. I mean we were we were the
only we were the only power in World War two
that fought a two front war and one.
Speaker 1: M and on the Patreon this week, we're gonna talk
about the Soviets fighting somebody I forgot they fought in
World War two a country that aligned with Nazi Germany
that I just blanked on.
Speaker 2: What like Romania or something, or Bulgaria. It was one
of those weird ones.
Speaker 1: Finland, Oh, you didn't know they fought the Finns. I
didn't know they technically like had war to clin them
by Great Britain. I knew the Soviets and Finland were
just like kind of going at each other.
Speaker 2: That I didn't know, but I did not know they were.
Speaker 1: Finland was like technically for like a three or four
year period part of the Axis.
Speaker 2: They just had to do it they needed to do
to survive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just simply to stay alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: The Winner War was awful. They weren't like going at
you know, the English or the French or US. Right,
It is just they needed to be a part of
like Operation Barbarossa.
Speaker 2: Did they? Oh? Did they? They didn't send their Jews
to Germany, right, Finland have Jews. If you send one
jew you're a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Fair enough if Germany was just like But we'll talk
about that on the Patreon.
Speaker 2: No happy to defend you. But there are a few
considerations we must make. Von is for going to send
a train, and we need you to fill that train
with some people. So that's a type of person. Even
if you only have five, it's fine.
Speaker 1: They got more room, be a better train and ride
to the ones he had not nice, so it could
be a better train ride the pot you're going to
need to send him. Uh but yeah, Well, we got
a pretty good story about one man, specifically in the
Finnish army, and I'm sure you could probably figure out
who that man is because there's really only one finished
story from World War Two.
Speaker 2: Guessing it's the sniper.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's not the guy you're thinking. Okay, all right, great,
then all right cool. So Meg is better.
Speaker 2: This is a better jet, This is a better fighter jet,
and it is one on six. The shittier jet has
is going one on six. The one thing, the one
thing the Panther could do better than the Meg was
it had a better turn radius.
Speaker 1: That seems valuable. Oh it was so seems really valuable.
To be able to like quickly move the other direction.
Speaker 2: It is, but it's also still like the MiGs are
objectively better, and there's six of them. Yeah, So Williams
does the only thing he can do. It just starts
weaving like crazy, out maneuvering these six MiGs taking him on,
and he is taking a hail of gunfire the entire time.
When he got back to the aircraft carrier, spoiler alert,
there were two hundred and sixty three holes in his
plane during the fight. He lost control of the hydraulics,
the rudder, he lost the wing controls. By the end
only the elevators were functional. And he's shot every single
one of the seven hundred and sixty rounds that his
twenty millimeter cannon shells was twenty million canning. He shot
all his rounds.
Speaker 1: So, I guess how does this not turn the Cold
War hot?
Speaker 2: We'll get to that.
Speaker 1: Was it because of like a technicality The pilots weren't Russian,
so just because they were using Russian planes, No, they
were Russian. Oh they were Russian, okay, yeah, No, these
were Soviets.
Speaker 2: These were Soviet fighters manned by Soviet pilots and took
off from Soviet Russia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh what did.
Speaker 2: I think the MiGs had like thirty millimeters thirty six milimeter,
so like way bigger thirty seven milliter I'm sorry, they
had thirty seven millimeters rounds, so way bigger rounds. So
the battle in the At some point in the battle,
he radios back to the aircraft carrier and he's like, uh,
I think we're fighting Russians. And he's like, no, we're
definitely fighting Russians, and the aircraft carrier, like whoever's in
command or calls back telling him to disengage.
Speaker 1: Because if he doesn't fire, I guess it's technically not
a conflict.
Speaker 2: I guess they're like, disengaged, disengage, just get away, and
he radio's back. I assume he did this way more badass.
I assume he said this like this, we are engaged,
But in my mind it's like, yeah, no, we are engaged.
I can't disengage. They're punching me in the face.
Speaker 1: Right, I can't not fight back. They will die. There's
no world.
Speaker 2: And especially because he really can't disengage either because he
can outrun them. So if he tries to turn around
and get the fuck out, of there like he just can't.
So he's like, we are engaged.
Speaker 1: If you don't fight back though, they can't keep firing, right,
those are the rules.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Soviets have a lot of rules.
Speaker 1: That's assault.
Speaker 2: Brother Williams later said in the moment, I was a
fighter pilot doing my job. I was only shooting what
I had, So essentially he was just like, I mean
they started the fight. I couldn't get away. I just
had to fucking try to survive.
Speaker 1: Tell me he took down Hall six. By the end
of the fight, he'd shot down four MiGs my man
and hit two others, so got all six. In a way,
only one meg returned to base. Let's go this dude
in air to air combat.
Speaker 2: One on six beat six fucking MiGs, the best fighter
jet in the world.
Speaker 1: Do you think you kind of like disassociate from the
actual danger while you're in that situation It kind of
feels more like a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think you don't even you
just you just go through the choreography of it, like
it's just muscle memory takes over, you know what I mean,
Like you're supposed to do this.
Speaker 1: He like locked the fuck in. Yeah, but I'm sure
with all the adrenaline pumping through your head and your body,
you're probably thinking of it more as like a like
a contest.
Speaker 2: The oh I if I lose, I die. Yeah, because
as soon as that thought creeps into your.
Speaker 1: Head, you die. You die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're dead. You At no point can you think
about that at all. You're just like thinking about your maneuvers,
thinking about I don't even know how much, honest to God,
that he even trained about fighting me. I'm sure he
was aware of their capabilities, but that's not who he
had combat experience against up to this point. Honestly, at
this point, most of it was probably strafing the ground
or something, right like how.
Speaker 1: Many dog fights are getting into in the fifties against Korea. Yeah,
that ton that It doesn't feel like a.
Speaker 2: Ton, yeah, experts. Aerial combat experts call it, legitimately quote,
one of the greatest feats in aviation history and the
most unique US Soviet aerial combat dogfight in the entire
Cold War. This was an insane win for the United States.
It was an impossible win. It should not they should
they he should not have been able.
Speaker 1: To pull this off in an impossible situation like, yeah, again,
this could very well set off a hot war with
the Soviets.
Speaker 2: Like literally, and that is what no one ever found
out about it.
Speaker 1: Oh, so swept it under the rug immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Soviet Union again not an official combatant in
the war, they're.
Speaker 1: Probably embarrassed though obviously they knew it happened, but they're
embarrassed that six of their fucking planes, five of them
got shot down by one man. Yeah yeah, so they're like,
all right, yeah, that didn't happen.
Speaker 2: So essentially finding out like this going public would have
a twofold negative effect and this is why it was
covered up. One forget the Soviets for a second. It
would rile up the Americans.
Speaker 1: McCarthy, the American public, Karthur would be on fire.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like it was just like, the American
public cannot know that the Soviets just sent planes to
kill our boys. They will want blood, they will want
a fucking war immediately. We have to cover this up.
But also if it got out, Yeah, the Soviet it
would have been embarrassed and they might have wanted blood
to make up for that, Yeah, to make up for
getting absolutely clowned by an aircraft carrier fighter jet because
even so, even like today.
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like a mutual agreement between governments.
We won't acknowledge that.
Speaker 2: We probably shouldn't kill forty million people over this, but
like today, even like US is just saying, like, the
strongest air force in the world is the US Air Force.
The second strongest air force is the US Navy. But
the Navy planes for the most part, like the ones
that take off of aircraft carriers. I'm pretty sure they
do not have the same capabilities of the exact same
fighter jet that takes off from a land base, Like
it's a little bit pared down to get on the carrier.
Speaker 1: Basically, it gives me so much anxiety seeing them land
on the actual carriers. But I have to like hit
the hook.
Speaker 2: Oh his landing was a nightmare, by the way, because
half his plane didn't work.
Speaker 1: It was just half apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like almost nothing was working on the plane. So
he just kind of had to slam into the character
give us a.
Speaker 1: Big net so he can catch us.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, they they could not release his information because
the Americans would probably want war and the Soviets would
probably want war or to make up for it, somehow.
So the incident was not just immediately classified, but Williams
had to have a talking to about it from every body.
He was debriefed by all the highest ranking admirals, the
Secretary of Defense. And this is a fun thing that
this guy had to deal with, I assume the very
newly inaugurated Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now they better have given him a sweet little bonus,
a little incentive to keep things secret. My man, just
you know, to the impossible, and he doesn't get the
recognition he needs or deserves.
Speaker 2: So you better what the beak Williams for what it's worth.
I will get to that in a second. Williams wore
it's worth played ball. Did not say a goddamn thing
I did. Patriot did not tell his wife, did not
tell his brother, who is also I think a military pilot.
Speaker 1: Actually they didn't find out until it was just announced
he was going to receive the Medal of Honor this year.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was uh, it was declassified in
two thousand and two. Yeah. So once it was declassified
in O two when he is almost eighty, they're like, Royce,
what and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I won the
greatest dog fight in human history? What of it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Didn't you too me? Like, I don't know, I said
I wouldn't. But so the US records completely scrub the details.
But they didn't. They couldn't totally scrub it because it
was it happened. So the records were changed to say
that he fought one quote enemy plane, did not say
it was Soviet uh, and that he took it down,
and then he damaged one. And in nineteen fifty three
he he did get a silver Star for the for
the cleaned up version.
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's all he got. Yeah, that's it, just
a little silver just a little silver star.
Speaker 2: However, on January twentieth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Now there's a you know, back galley handshake. Here's one
hundred gees.
Speaker 2: I mean you need to give him some Well, okay,
for what it's worth. He had a nice long career
in the Navy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cushy job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I assume so well after Nom because he was
still flying fucking combat missions and Nom flew more of them,
and Nom.
Speaker 1: Just kept getting moving up the ranks. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he retired as a captain, but he
was commanding a ship or a base or something by
the end of it. So he did a good job.
The so it also knew what happened, and the archives.
So actually it was declassified by the US in two
thousand and two, but I think the story got out
in the nineties after the Soviet Union fell and all
of their shit was declassified, so he might he might
have told him in the nineties.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, he didn't tell any one till two
thousand and two, so I guess he kept denying it
until the US government was like, Okay, now you can
talk about it. So for there were ten years where
people were like, Royce, was that you and he was
like no, no, no, I thought what it was some
dumb little plane shut down. I don't know. On January twentieth,
twenty twenty three, the then Secretary of the Navy, Carlos
del Toro, upgraded his Silver Star to a Navy Cross,
and he essentially in the ceremony, was like he deserved
a better award than what he was initially given.
Speaker 1: What's a star to across? What's across to a medal?
Speaker 2: Vun Representative darryl Issa, who is seventy two years old,
himself Jesus. He's a Republican from California. He has been
fighting for years to get Williams all the way up
to the Medal of Honor. On February fourth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Six, mission accomplished.
Speaker 2: He got it. He got this man his Medal of Honor. Williams,
still alive at the age of one hundred years old,
will hopefully tomorrow get it. See the Medal of Honor.
Speaker 1: Come on, we gotta push this up the agenda.
Speaker 2: Got to get it. You can't take a single hour
for granted, like fly, you need to fly Trump and
whoever else needs to be there to him, like now.
Speaker 1: Get it done. Yeah, he shouldn't have to travel.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it'll literally be the last trip
of his life, one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, have him go up, have him fly the plane.
Speaker 2: One last time, one last time. I got served the
funniest fuck YouTube short last night. It was one hundred
year old man who was a World War Two veteran
who was like I I would fought in World War
Two And I'm gonna shoot this in one garran and
he's holding it. By the way, I've shot in him
one garrant. It's not a light rifle. It's kind of
heavy and it does have kicks. So I'm literally thrown
like thirty feet by That's what I was waiting to see.
I was like, I think this guy there was a
guy standing behind him with his hand on the shoulder, just.
Speaker 1: A bag of bones. Like.
Speaker 2: He was just like, but he did it. I was
waiting for disaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but our heroes, when they're a hundred, they should
be able to go out that way.
Speaker 2: I mean, there was I don't know if he's a hundred,
but who's close. The last normandy thing he did a
drop was the airborne guy from from the Wall did
one more drop. I think he was tethered to another
human being for that one.
Speaker 1: But let him go fly for a Russian airspace right now?
Speaker 2: Do you miss the flak? Do you miss the flak?
Speaker 1: And then we'll sweep that under the rug. But yeah, Williams.
Speaker 2: Williams will be getting the Medal of Honor any day
for what is I think kind of unanimously considered the
greatest dog fight win in human history, certainly in American history. Yeah,
my guy, fucking g dude, absolute stuff. I mean it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't think of a better dog fight
victory in my mom.
Speaker 2: I've got a lot coming through. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So many that I can list off right now. And yeah,
I think this is one.
Speaker 2: I think this is number one.
Speaker 1: I think it's one. I do honestly don't want to
be a prisoner in the moment. But tops them all,
this guy's number one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Royce Williams absolute the greatest aerial win in
US history, minimum getting the Medal of Honor. That's his
story that he had to keep secret for fifty years.
Speaker 1: It's a shame, it is, you know, not all secrets are.
Speaker 2: Bad, no, but I get why they had to do it.
Speaker 1: After a certain point though, once the Cold War's over,
once the fucking PERLM wall comes down, let's let's get
this out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, w or not w HW a pilot him,
I think maybe certainly a military aviator himself. As soon
as the Cold War ended, which is under his watch,
should have pulled this guy up to the stage.
Speaker 1: But he was allegedly too busy eating babies.
Speaker 2: It's true he needed that sweet sweet And what is it,
Andrew creen or adrenochrome a drenochrome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real, damn it. What'd you learn today all
about this marvelous pilot's life, well not really his life,
but a good portion of this hero's existence. He had
to live in secrecy, and that just wasn't right.
Speaker 2: You had to keep it to him. I mean you
got to think like there had to be times where
even when he was still in the Navy.
Speaker 1: When he came back to the bar. You don't think
he let it slip, had a couple of drinks in
him hitting on a lady.
Speaker 2: I don't know how quickly Eisenhower got to him, Like
he just lands on the aircraft carrier and like Eisenhower's
on the phone, he needs to speak to you right now.
Speaker 1: That might have been like an immediate Eisenhower moment. Yeah,
like he just top priority for him.
Speaker 2: Because but you got to think, like how many times,
either in his personal life or even when he was
still in the Navy and he has to deal with
some young hotshot pilot who's like, you can't for life
for shit, old man, I'm gonna show you how tho
his young bucks do it up there. He's just like shit,
like just just wants to be like, just let him
know that he's the goat. He had the greatest fucking
aerial win in history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because pilots honestly don't come off as humble, No.
Speaker 2: Typically, not fighter pilots especially.
Speaker 1: It's also a position. I don't want to have a
humble person behind the sticks.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know there were a lot of humble ones.
Wasn't Neil Armstrong a fighter pilot.
Speaker 1: That's why buzz Aldrin gets a lot of the lot
of play because he was charismatic. He was able to
get the headlines. Neil was just boring, and that's why
he was the point man. That's what you need for
the moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose, I don't know, it's a.
Speaker 1: Good dynamic between the two. Yeah, literally, Ying and Yang.
Speaker 2: I don't know if John Glenn was like a terribly
humble guys. I mean I only knew him as a senator.
Speaker 1: But I want a fighter pilot to have belief in himself.
Speaker 2: I agree. Now, I think the perfect combination for a
fighter pilot really, right. You don't want, I think like
Glenn Powell in top Gun two situations so much as
a Ted Williams sitch right, because Ted Williams not humble,
a real dick actually, and very high belief in himself.
Speaker 1: Well, he froze his head so he could reincarnate. I
think that self belief on another level.
Speaker 2: That is elite self belief.
Speaker 1: Him and Walt.
Speaker 2: But ted Williams. Gruff didn't like to talk to people, right,
so he was arrogant and was like, I will take
anyone down, but didn't want to talk to anyone. I
think that's the elite fighter pilot combo.
Speaker 1: Just shit talking, chest pumping internally, but oudardly to the public.
Didn't care. I just didn't care about their beliefs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a quiet hate for whomever he was pitted against,
whether it be an aerial combat.
Speaker 1: And that's how he hit four hundred in the season.
Speaker 2: That is quiet hate. That's why Tony Gwynn couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Your hate for Tony Winn is just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: The old slap and waddle. Yeah, my two biggest hates
on this show are Leonardo da Vinci and Tony Gwynn.
And I don't know in which order.
Speaker 1: You just hate classic baseball. That's really all it comes
down to. Your dance metric guy.
Speaker 2: I was actually I was watching Royals highlights last night
of their Last World Series, which is classic baseball. They
were playing that contact game because one of their one
of their guys died.
Speaker 1: On the Royals, Yeah, the team that won the World
Series like a decade ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Terrence Gore. He was on there to steal Bay.
He actually won a World Series with the Braves too,
but uh yeah, he was like thirty fours and I
don't know how he died, but I was bummed because
he was just lighting up the bass paths during that postseason.
But yeah, I think Ted Williams is the is the
elite combo who's today's hitler.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blame the Koreans for not having belief in
their air force.
Speaker 2: The Koreans having a shit air force almost started World
War Three.
Speaker 1: We're not here if that happens, No one's here.
Speaker 2: Actually, the only good thing about World War Three starting
that early is that I don't think anyone had ICBMs yet,
like it was still you would still have to deliver
nukes via a plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a sub, right.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe the entire world isn't obliterated.
Speaker 1: Although when was the Russian sub where they were under
the belief that America fired a nuke and he just
didn't believe it. So he didn't hit the button.
Speaker 2: Russian. Yeah, the Russian who saved the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah was that? When was that?
Speaker 2: Holy shit? That was eighty three. Yeah, there was another
one in sixty two, so actually no, the one in
sixty two was the submarine.
Speaker 1: So we've escaped catastrophe multiple times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one in sixty two was the submarine that
was a cube missile crisis during the CU missal crisis.
And then the guy who you read about a lot,
he was in a land base, but in eighty three
he was like, yeah, I don't think they're launching. They're like,
but the warnings, he still he says launch and he's like,
I wonder if he was just like, but why probably
what happened today.
Speaker 1: Like there's no reason for them to do Yeah, so
logic one out. Thank God. We've avoided nuclear apocalypse several
times with the Russians, and this was one of those times.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So shust my boy for keeping it low, for keeping
the secret being about that life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for him. Royce Williams a well deserved Medal
of Honor winner. And that is our our show for today. Yeah,
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