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Speaker 1: You am now listening to soft core history?

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Speaker 2: What is up? Welcome back to soft core History. I

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am your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined as

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always by Dan Rojesterle's have ourselves a day. It's a

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good day.

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Speaker 1: It is, it's a good week, it's a good month.

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Speaker 2: I'm drinking beer at two o'clock. I'm eating nachas for dinner,

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and it's gonna be a good gonna make good time.

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Speaker 1: Is that the only thing your wife can make for

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Super Bowl Sunday?

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Speaker 2: I'll probably drink the nachos.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she can't even put shredded cheese on chips.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's give me some steak involved, some saute onions

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and peppers.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but she can't do the bare minimum. This

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is what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a notcho man. I'm not gonna trust

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her to.

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Speaker 1: Do it, not June nothing.

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Speaker 2: I'm a very particular nonchoment. Plus she makes it alone

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up with like ground turkey on it, which I'd rather

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just kill myself to be honest.

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Speaker 1: This early obviously the big game, gotta watch that, but

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we also got the waste management on in the background.

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Speaker 2: It's a good day, piece of personal history is the

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ten year anniversary of my trip to the Super Bowl

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when I snuck into the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 1: Locker room when they beat the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 2: Yah, when they beat the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when Cam Newton made a business.

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Speaker 2: He's still paying for I think that business doesn't cost

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him money.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, he's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's doing fine.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, he's actually in the podcast game himself.

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Speaker 2: He's a good podcaster. I enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: Well, whoever his clip guy is certainly yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Probably some Indian dude.

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Speaker 1: Then he has like a hype up guy. He does

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a podcast with somebody else. I have no idea who

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the other guy is, but the reactions from the other

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guy kind of make the Cam Newton show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a great it's I enjoy it. It's

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because he's it's barely a it's not really a podcast.

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It's just like a crazy person with a microphone. Yeah,

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having fun, which we need more of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I agree, we're trure. We try to be too down

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the middle. Well it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: We're just two vanilla whites.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to break. We need to just get fucked.

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Speaker 1: We need a hype man as our third we do

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we are.

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Speaker 2: Missing that third heat.

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Speaker 1: To quote Jack Donnegie, Jake wasn't really that.

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Speaker 2: I just think a guy that reacts big to every

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historical fact we give, like, oh shit, yeah me meed

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the second dude, what.

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Speaker 1: We might grow.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, we got a good topic today. Either way,

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it is actually a timely topic in terms of like

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it's in the news right now, but today we're talking

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about the most forgotten man.

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Speaker 1: Of the Forgotten War, the forgotten where there's many, quite

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a few forgotten America's forgotten War. Okay, you should know

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it as the one your grandpa was sort of in Korea. Yeah,

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it's called the Forgotten War. Oh well yeah, I mean

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he was just playing basketball, he didn't planes. Yeah, it

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was one of the better times of his life, fixing planes,

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reading out of the manual with a flashlight, not really

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knowing anything about planes to begin with, and then sending

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people up the next day.

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Speaker 2: This episode has to do with planes in the Korean War.

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Speaker 1: He probably put a massive part in it.

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Speaker 2: He did not because he was air force, right. Yeah,

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this man was a naval aviator, so he's taking off

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aircraft carriers. But I thought that for a second too,

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and then I was like, wait, no, fuck, Danions grandpa

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was Air Force. I would have loved for him to

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be the one fixing this guy's play.

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Speaker 1: We can definitely do some historical topics around my family,

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especially my mom's side, the Murphy's.

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Speaker 2: The Michigan political dynasty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that just got ejected for mass corruption.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you.

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Speaker 1: There's also multiple Frank Murphy's in Michigan. One becomes governor

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and one's only lieutenant governor. There's my great grandfather is

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the one that only became lieutenant governor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still high enough to sell the seat though.

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick's one of the more powerful lieutenant governors in

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the country. Yeah, that was here in Texas.

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Speaker 2: That was a weird thing when I moved to Texas

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because I don't think I could have ever told you

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a single lieutenant governor of Missouri.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, Dan Patrick's name is everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It's I always and well he almost like combats Abbot,

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the like butt heads off the he does. Now. One

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of the reasons that stood out to me though, is

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because of Sports Center.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, why these people keep tayling their

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Dan Patrick, the good Dan Patrick, Like you just get

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to textas and they're like that Dan Patrick's a real

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piece of shit, and it's like what he do, dude?

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I enjoy a show, yeah, whenever I catch it, you know.

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And he's pretty even keel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good guy. I mean, I like Rich Eyes

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and better, but I like Dave Patrick. What is the man?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but obviously I'm a Van Pelt boy. Yeah, we're

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both Golf Channel lumps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brothers, brothers in arms really yeah. Yeah. But the

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Korean War it's always funny because it really gets it

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gets such a shaft in the twentieth century, especially because

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really in all the American wars, like it never gets

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talked about. Every other war has a moment or it's

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just big in general. You know, the Revolution's Revolution eighteen twelve,

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you got the burning of the White House and Francis

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Scott Key, Mexican War, we grab half the country. Civil Wars,

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Civil War, Spanish American War. You get Teddy Roosevelt charging

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up San Juan Hill. World War One's World War, World

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War two is World War Two.

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Speaker 1: We have done a couple of Korean War episodes, maybe

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just one, but I know we have it in the

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archives somewhere. We did the the Acts incident.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right. No, but that wasn't even during the

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Korean War. It was just over the DMZ. It was

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after the Korean War.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess I don't really know the timeframe

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of the Korean War in totality, early fifties. I get that.

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I just don't know when it ends. I don't know

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when it like bleeds into Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't bleed into Vietnam, okay, but like we're technically

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still at war, let's go. Yeah, like it never ended.

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Speaker 1: That's a tricky for me then. Obviously Un is one

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of my greatest supporters. Yeah, I think there's a statue

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of me in North Korea.

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Speaker 2: And now, full disclosure, Kim Jong un has read in

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the past, and that's not even a joke. No, it's not.

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And be fortunately we won't be talking shit on any

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North Koreans today. So Kim, if you're listening, he's not,

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We're still good.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have anything to do with him, though he's

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not gonna listen.

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Speaker 2: That's true. It's just yeah, it's just the Korean Wars.

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But like it is, it's between World War two and

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Vietnam and World War two is World War two and

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then NOM is like a mess and we just kind

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of want to forget about it.

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Speaker 1: But it was really like it was a crazy war.

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Speaker 2: There were huge swings in it, and there was a

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lot of like like wild notable shit that happened, like

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MacArthur wanting to nuke the North Korean Chinese border.

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Speaker 1: We just got the technology we might as well use.

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Speaker 2: He was like, why are we using the shit? And

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Truman was like wha you drop two of them? Truman

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was like, you're insane and you have to go.

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Speaker 1: Korea was way more violent than I think people understand

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brutal brutal war because everyone's just kind of like, oh,

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you're in Korea.

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Speaker 2: No, it even NOM too, But like there was we're

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at the point now in US military history being like

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we were not we were more powerful than North Korea.

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like it was not leaps and bounds the way it

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is now. Like it was just dirtier. You had to

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get on the ground more.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, have you seen the North Korean Army

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kind of do their parades.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen the parades with their fake ass missiles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean they're always in Unison.

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Speaker 2: It was great.

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Speaker 1: They can march straight and SYNCD up.

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Speaker 2: They can march straight into our robot drones and get

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chopped up.

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Speaker 1: So we've outlawed a bunch of the I think Dji

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Drones are. It's a Chinese drone company.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is it like I have one? So it's recreational drones.

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Speaker 1: I mean they make recreational drones. They also make just

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like legit pro film drones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But last time I went to the Precision Camera store,

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I was looking to like get some new batteries for

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my drone, and they're like, oh, we actually got rid

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of all DJ products because I think the US passed

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a loss and that it's illegal to sell them.

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Speaker 2: Now make them sure they had some weird shit in there.

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Speaker 1: That in China could just fuck us up with five

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hundred dollars drones.

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Speaker 2: It's the entire Ukraine War. Yeah, because they are using

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essentially like a lot of recreational drones that just have

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like bombs on them.

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Speaker 1: And really, my knowledge on this goes solely from the

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guy behind the counter. So if I'm completely wrong on this,

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just no, I trusted him.

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Speaker 2: Why would he make that up? I don't know. He

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could he could just be wrong, but he could also

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be right. It's like, we don't sell that anyeah, it's

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illegal now. But yeah, it's a shame we don't know

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more about the Korean War because I think it's.

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Speaker 1: I probably have a couple of cousins over in Korea.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you think so? Is that where your

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grandpa was doing leave?

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Speaker 1: Grandfather said it was the best time of his life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a real Uh.

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Speaker 1: So, my dad has brothers and sisters, they have kids.

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Those are my cousins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a King of the Hill episode where they

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go to Japan and find Cotton's war son. I think

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it's a similar situation.

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Speaker 1: Oh almost certainly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we forgot the war. It's the forgotten war.

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But one man, the most forgotten man. He was forgotten

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on purpose for national security reasons. But now finally and

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he is still alive. He's one hundred years old.

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Speaker 1: Was he a pow?

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Speaker 2: Nope. Captain Royce Williams will be receiving the Medal of

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Honor shortly.

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Speaker 1: When's he supposed to receive it?

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Speaker 2: I actually I don't know. Let me as soon I

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know that it was just announced.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, times ticking. When you're at that age, you gotta

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do it a sap. But they do Monday or Tuesday.

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We don't know how many breasts this guy has.

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Speaker 2: Last Yeah, he needs to be on the next honor

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flight to Washington, DC and get that thing put around

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his neck a SAP. I kind of wonder. I don't wonder,

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but I wish like part of the Medal of Honor

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voting was like the Heisman voting.

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Speaker 1: You should be able to see all the votes.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the other recipients should get get a vote.

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Speaker 1: Next guy up, Yeah, like I want to.

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Speaker 2: I just want like Dakota Meyer, who we've met and know,

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to just like vote no on Roy.

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Speaker 1: Also, just fuck it? Why I stopped there? Do the

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uh dr Pepper Heisman House Honor recipients live in the

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same fuck mansion or something.

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Speaker 2: That'd be such a good sketch if we had the

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like resources. Yeah, let's do it, Medal of Honor house.

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Speaker 1: We can make it work. We know one Medal of

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Honor recipient. We do know one Medal of Honor recipient.

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Speaker 2: We just need to have either hire a bunch of

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really old men actors or do us an old guy makeup.

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Speaker 1: Did Kyle Carpenter receive the Medal of Honor?

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Speaker 2: Which guy is that?

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Speaker 1: He's the one that got blown up his face Carolina

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all blown up? Yeah, yes he did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy's Middle of Honor winner.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he read TFM back the day.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he might have.

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Speaker 1: We have a content. We can get him, we can

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we can get.

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Speaker 2: Carbon and he's he's actually, uh so he got his

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face fucked up pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: But no, he looks good now, he does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he like when he got the Medal of Honor

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it was gnarly, but he is. They've done some good

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work on him.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they've injected all the stem cells.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy and I'm happy for him.

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Speaker 1: Obviously he should not have to pay for another beer

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the rest of his life and always have his dick.

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Speaker 2: Wet all of them. I feel like Dakota does because

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he keeps having kids or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He had kids with one woman. I

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thought he had some more, do you know? I think

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he only has kids with just the two the Palins.

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Speaker 2: With the paling chick. Yeah, all right, never mind retracted.

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So Captain Royce Williams was a naval aviator in the

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Korean War. Elmer Royce Williams, he was nicknamed Royce, was

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born April fourth, nineteen twenty five in South Dakota, and

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from a young age him and his brothers aspired to

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be pilots. You know, the early twenties, thirty twenties and thirties,

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so kind of a hot new thing. Yeah, it's like

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wanting to be an astronaut type of situation in the sixties.

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So he'd always been interested in flight.

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Speaker 1: It's a little different than wanting to be an astronaut.

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I don't think it is an astronaut's insane.

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Speaker 2: And I think I think in the twenties people thought

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flying was insane.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's all perspective, but literally going into outer space.

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I'm not saying another thing. I'm not saying that one

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isn't more impressive than the other. I just think they

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were of the same mindset. We're probably gonna die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like sweet and and adventurous.

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Speaker 1: And not even a fifty to fifty chance you want

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to come back, gotta crash.

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Speaker 2: So he grows up wants to be a pilot. Nineteen

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forty one, December, Pearl Harbor gets attacked and Williams and

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his brother enlisted in the US Navy. However, Williams did

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not go into Well, he was in the Navy, but

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he kind of like deferred it because he wanted to go,

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I guess to school to watch the greatest football dynasty

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of the era.

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Speaker 1: I have the league.

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Speaker 2: No, No, you're Minnesota Golden Gophers.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota, Ya. They had a bit of a run there

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in the forties.

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Speaker 2: Thirties and forties. So actually he gets it right after

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they win their last Natty. But they won like four

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between the thirties and forties, so I think he was like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get to count the Natties that you

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won during World War.

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Speaker 2: Two, so you don't I agree with that, But iWar

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they won their last Natty like ten days into America's

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involvement World War Two, right because December forty one, their

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last championship was forty one.

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Speaker 1: Dude, imagine that week you win the national championship. Then

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he gets shipped off overseas to the European theater.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just did in North Africa two weeks later

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after winning the Rose Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Why not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So he goes to the University of Minnesota, and

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I think he goes through like not ocs what's it

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called Ratzi and he's in college the whole time. By

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the time he's out, he becomes a naval aviator, but

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it's August nineteen forty five, so there's a month left

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in the war. He doesn't get into World War two,

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missus World War two. Miss the cut could have gone,

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but he had to. He wanted to be a Gopher

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first before he was a Patriot.

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Speaker 1: And that tells you everything you need to know about

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the University of Minnesota. Don't you hate Minnesota. I really

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am indifferent to them.

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Speaker 2: I just had a bad interaction with a fan like

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online where I was like, who the fuck do you

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think you are? Yeah, you're a Minnesota fan.

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Speaker 1: I have that with Mississippi State.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You just get these like these, like it's almost

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like a bad taste, you know, from one it's just

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one guy. But I'm just like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: He ruins the reputation of the entire school. I go.

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Speaker 2: It was just very, very full of himself, and I

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was like, dude, it's not that big a deal. You're Minnesota.

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But he misses World War Two, but he makes up

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for it, makes up for it, and then some he

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actually serves in the Navy all the way until nineteen eighty,

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so he becomes a Navy lifer. He retires as a

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you know, in his sixties or whatever. But he missed

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the World War Two. He gets into Korea though. During

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Korea he was a fighter pilot in the Navy taking

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off from an aircraft carrier. Like well, I guess Ted

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Williams was in the Air Force. But he's a fighter

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pilot in Korea, like you know, Ted Williams, like John Glenn,

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a lot of good fighter pilots in that In that war,

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he flew a Grumming F nine F five Panther fighter jet.

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His unit was known as the Pacemakers, and they were

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off the aircraft carrier, the USS or Ascani.

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Speaker 1: The Pacemakers because they can just shut your heart off

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at any moment.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, Yeah, they just they just take you down.

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Speaker 1: Oh I heard a rumor. This is terrifying. You know

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how a lot of cars now have the kill switch. Yeah,

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apparently paysmakers do too.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's just fucked up.

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Speaker 1: The sinister as hell.

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Speaker 2: That's the worst thing I've ever heard. So don't get

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a paysmaker like all of them are just like you.

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Like I think every new if like a registered sex

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offender gets atmaker.

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Speaker 1: I think it's everybody, so they can just shut it

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off at any moment. That's not I don't know if again,

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I don't know if it's true. I just heard that

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can't be true.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you can fuck up somebody's pastmaker pretty easily, though.

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Speaker 1: I hate that. I have a truck now that can

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get killed at any moment. Say I'm running like I'm

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running from the police, I'm on the lamb. They can

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just shut my car down.

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Speaker 2: Hey, man, if you got nothing to hide, you don't

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need to worry about your kill switch.

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Speaker 1: But that was a selling point when I bought my

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truck to like, oh dude, actually, like, if your trunk

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gets stolen, you can just shut it off at any time.

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Speaker 2: And so can anyone else with the right tools.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, that's not cool. I do not. That's not

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a selling point for me. I've insurance do either. Cars.

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Speaker 2: Cars have gone too far, Like I don't like touch

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screens in the car. I don't. It's just too much shit.

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Speaker 1: If we're gonna have that giant screen in the middle,

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why can't I throw the game.

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Speaker 2: On, right?

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Speaker 1: I should be able to do that. I'm sure the

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way you can hack it USB, you can plug in yeah,

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and it's just overrides it.

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Speaker 2: You can just drive around Austin and night watching the

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Super Bowl. Good Williams flew seventy missions, I think combat missions,

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but seventy missions in Korea, and he wasn't done there.

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He went to Vietnam and he flew another one hundred

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and ten missions.

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Speaker 1: There in a four Skyhawks f four phantoms, again off

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of aircraft carrier, this time the USS Kiddy Hawk.

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Speaker 2: So this guy flew one hundred and eighty combat missions

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in his combat service. He was in the Navy till

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nineteen eighty, but in his combat service across two wars,

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one hundred and eighty missions missed World War Two. But

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he gets a shitt it now. The reason he's so forgotten,

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the reason we covered up his name, and why he's

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just now getting the Medal of Honor is because his

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most important mission came during the Korean War and it

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was too hot to print, too spicy, too spicy to print.

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Speaker 1: Did involve war.

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Speaker 2: Crimes, no, no, but it did involve things that weren't

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supposed to be happening.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not a war crime. It's the first time.

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I think that's the fat electrician.

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Speaker 2: He says that, Yeah, everyone gets one.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a military thing because Coop said it a

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bunch of times.

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Speaker 2: Coop only did basic training. Is that what they tell

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you the first week?

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Speaker 1: That's actually the first lesson, you know, And if it's

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the first.

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Speaker 2: Time, it's just that's this orientation.

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Speaker 1: I'm the loophole. It's critical thinkings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really creative. It's like cheating in school, right,

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like a lot a lot of cheating takes a lot

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of cleverness. You almost want to reward the cleverness.

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Speaker 1: I got busted in high school in my French class

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with my graphing calculator out because you could put things

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in words into it.

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Speaker 2: Now, that is a suspect time to have a graphic

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calculator on your desk.

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Speaker 1: I mean technically, I didn't get caught. She just told

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me to put my calculator away. I just said I

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was playing block Man in the middle of your day,

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in the middle of my task. Yeah, yeah, we I'm like,

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I gotta, you know, think while I play block Man.

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Speaker 2: It's fair.

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Speaker 1: It really just gets the juices go.

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Speaker 2: It's it's something about the French. It puts the puzzle together.

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In high school my senior year, we all got laptops

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and in math class, like this is back when this

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is two thousand and four, So like if you think

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about how bad old people are at technology now and

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then dial it back twenty two years. We told the

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teacher we were like, oh, because we were allowed to

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use calculator, Like, oh, I just use a calculator on

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my laptop. And then we all had instant Messenger, AOL,

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Instant Messenger open, and we're just sharing me answers with

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each other calculators.

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Speaker 1: That's the only thing we were taught in high school

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was how to actually do everything through the calculators. Get

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to college, do my gen ed math classes can't use calculators?

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The fuck? Why?

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Speaker 2: Fuck?

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Speaker 1: Why? Why can't I use my TI eighty three.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I ever had a math class like

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that in college. I think I only took one.

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Speaker 1: I did take one math class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was allowed to use calculator.

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Speaker 1: Gene's are stupid, But we also, I know what I'm

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going to school for.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even take it at Miszoo. I took it

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at a community college over the summer, just to like

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make it even easier than it already would be, or

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like because I stuck at math and she the community

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college is just like you can have a note card

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front and back full of whatever you need. So we

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were allowed to cheat.

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Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, we get a little note card that you

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just write the smallest print possible, oh my god, like

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two font just but with your hand by hand.

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Speaker 2: So on November eighteenth, nineteen fifty two, Williams is a

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twenty seven year old lieutenant and he's up in the

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sky in his F nine F five Panther fighter jet.

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He's flying his second mission of the day. It's combat

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air patrol near Joryang, North Korea. I guess over the

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Sea of Japan. I don't know, just standard combat patrol.

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There's a blizzard going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people forget this. Japan snows a lot. Actually the

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country with the most amount of snow Japan. I don't

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know that actually snows the most. People would think Russia,

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maybe somewhere in like Scandinavia, not Japan. I would I

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would never guess that, just like by inches, I think

474
00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:01,880
per feet per year.

475
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense.

476
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: The amount us know.

477
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: So the conditions are dogshit, so they're like all right,

478
00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:10,480
let's take it. Let's take it up into the clouds,

479
00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:14,599
take it up above the weather. Williams is leading four planes,

480
00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:19,119
all panthers, like the one himself. He's he's the lead though.

481
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,279
So they climb through the blizzard. They get to like

482
00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:24,480
twelve thousand feet and they're just on their combat air patrol.

483
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,559
They're looking around, just seeing what they could see, seeing

484
00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,000
if anybody's out there to make trouble, to attack the carrier,

485
00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,200
to attack the group, whatever to the task force. They

486
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:40,519
look up and at forty thousand feet they see seven

487
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:50,200
planes that are not supposed to be there, Soviet MiG

488
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,440
fifteen fighter jets.

489
00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:53,839
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't know if North Korea

490
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,799
is really patrolling the skies.

491
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: They had an air force, but yeah, we were.

492
00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: We kicked the kick this. Yeah, we kicked the ship

493
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:04,480
out of their air force. Yeah, they had paper planes

494
00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:05,440
that they sent up there.

495
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: I think they got some like old ship from the Soviets,

496
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,240
probably some World War two ship, and maybe the Chinese too.

497
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,839
I don't even know what the Chinese had back then.

498
00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:19,880
So they see these, they see seven MiG jets above them,

499
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,440
And the thing about that is is that the Soviet

500
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:26,880
Union is not officially part of.

501
00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:29,839
Speaker 1: This war, no, but it's Cold War.

502
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,319
Speaker 2: It's Cold War. They are unofficially part of it.

503
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,079
Speaker 1: Technically every war. Oh yeah, they're supplying the North Korean.

504
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 2: They're in the mix with the equipment, intelligence, logistics, everything.

505
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,079
But apparently the Soviets were like, Nord Korean Air Force

506
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,160
aint cutting it, So we're gonna have to get into

507
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,799
the ship ourselves a little bit. So they sent these

508
00:23:54,799 --> 00:24:00,000
fighter jets out. The MiGs had launched from Unashi Airfield,

509
00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:02,720
uh in a lot of a lot of vustic.

510
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,839
Speaker 1: It's like, that's patrol in the Canadian skies right.

511
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: Right, which we have to apparently, and some Canadians get

512
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,319
like really mad about it, Like Canadian conservatives especially are.

513
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: Like, god, damn it we Chinese.

514
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, spy balloons that they were mad about that. Like

515
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:20,359
I saw tweets about that being like can't even patrol

516
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,960
our own fucking skies? What is wrong with us?

517
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, I agree, what is wrong with you?

518
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:27,559
Figure it out?

519
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: Remember that when you talk shit on getting the gold

520
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,319
medal in the hockey in a couple.

521
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: Of weeks, Now we got this. Yeah, I think we're

522
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,400
gonna win this shit got this.

523
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: So in interviews, Williams was like, I've Basically he was like,

524
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,440
I've never We had never seen this before. There had

525
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,400
not been actual Soviet MiG fifteen jets that engaged us

526
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,279
in any way before. Uh, this was new, and so

527
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:55,599
they were a little confused at first.

528
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,799
Speaker 1: Two of his pilots.

529
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 2: Soon aborted the mission because they had a one had

530
00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:06,920
a fuel pump malfunction and low fuel because of it,

531
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,839
or no one had a fuel pump malfunction, one had

532
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:14,200
low fuel. So Williams and his wingman h Rolins were

533
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,519
now left alone with these seven MiGs, and at first

534
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:20,519
maybe they were like, I don't know what they're doing there,

535
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:22,799
Like they're up there real high, like what the fuck

536
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,880
is going on? Well, the MiGs start to dive, the

537
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,160
MiGs spot them and they're like target acquired.

538
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: Now for the people at home, he's using the word

539
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,359
MiG with an m.

540
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: Was it not clear?

541
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,039
Speaker 1: It wasn't very clear enough meg. I don't know you're

542
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:46,559
saying too fast. Well, I feel like.

543
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:48,599
Speaker 2: Everyone knows what a MiG is like if you've seen

544
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240
top Gun. In the first one he fights MiGs did.

545
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: To be honest, I've never seen top Gun one all

546
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960
the way through. I've only seen the Miles telegone.

547
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: The I don't think i've ever watched the first Top

548
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,599
Gun front to back, but I have seen, like obviously

549
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:03,559
parts of it, including the battle at the end. But

550
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:06,559
the Meg is like the there's different versions of it

551
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,920
throughout the Cold War, but the MiG is is meg

552
00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:11,880
is like their their standard jet.

553
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm just looking out for your brother. I appreciate that,

554
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,440
Big Doug, you got this. Yeah, pound that beer.

555
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,519
Speaker 2: I just I can say I'm drunk.

556
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,559
Speaker 1: That's not an excuse, is it not.

557
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: No, I'll say it doesn't work that if I go

558
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:28,960
to AA.

559
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: After it's a start, okay, but it's a twelve step program.

560
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,960
It's only step one admitting you have a problem.

561
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: It's true. So the Megs dive and they start firing

562
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:48,960
on the American American jets on Williams. Williams fires back.

563
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,839
He fires at the last Meg in the formation, and

564
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,559
I think he hits it because it drops out of

565
00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:56,599
formation pretty much meanly doesn't shoot it down, but it

566
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,000
drops out. It just goes away. Sorry, Yeah, it drops

567
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:04,599
out of formation and then rollands. His wingman pursues it

568
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,519
to go shoot it down. Leaving Williams in a one

569
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:15,480
on six fight against six MiGs. Okay, now it should

570
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,039
be noted if you don't know much about American military history,

571
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:24,119
Cold War history, stuff like that. Obviously, Now American fighter

572
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,920
jets just shit on everyone, like it's not even close.

573
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,279
I think we're the only ones with fifth gen fighters,

574
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,079
and or maybe the Russians have like six of them

575
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:35,480
but they don't work, and the Chinese might have like

576
00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:37,039
one or two that also don't work.

577
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,759
Speaker 1: I feel like ninety percent of UFOs are just American

578
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:43,599
top secret air projects.

579
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I fall with that as well.

580
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,759
Speaker 1: The other ten percent, I don't know, couldichin, it could

581
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:54,960
be Russia, couldbe aliens, interdimensional being, interdimensional beings to quote

582
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,640
Tom DeLong. But really the majority of them are just

583
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,000
us trying things out in the sky.

584
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: Because and this is why it's probably true, it's the

585
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,480
least satisfying answer, and that to me tends to be

586
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:11,440
the most often correct answer.

587
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: Why keep a secretive other than to hide it from

588
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,319
our enemies? We should anytime we put out something new

589
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,200
that should hit the press like immediately, Yeah, just kind

590
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,359
of pump their chest, little patriotism. I feel like that's

591
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,400
what the reality the true.

592
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: See, Like, that's what the Chinese do.

593
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:29,039
Speaker 1: We need a little of that, though, do we?

594
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,839
Speaker 2: I think the mystery is scarier because I think about.

595
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,759
Speaker 1: You're right, actually, in a horror film, you never want

596
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:37,920
to see the true killer, right, It's scarier for him

597
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,119
to hide in the shadows because if you think about, like,

598
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:41,799
that's the real boogeyman.

599
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: Every time I see like an American or a new

600
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:46,319
American weapon or something, or if I see a new

601
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Chinese weapon, I'm like, boy, if that's what we know about,

602
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,279
what the fuck don't we know about? What are they

603
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:58,920
not showing us? And it just leaves a terrifying dark cloud. Yeah,

604
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,599
well for me, it lee a happy cloud where I'm like, yay, it's.

605
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: A weapon that just takes all the water out of

606
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,359
your body.

607
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: Just Indiana Jones, is you It boils you from the

608
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,839
inside like Last Crusade. No, it just like raisins you

609
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:19,519
like yep. So again we kind of think now, like,

610
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,400
oh yeah, America fire jet's always the best blah blah.

611
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,039
Even World War Two, by the end, other than the

612
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:29,200
German literal jet, our fighters were the best. But this

613
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:31,119
was not the case at this time. The MiG fifteen

614
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,640
was faster, it was more agile and had better guns

615
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:40,119
than our panthers did, and it had a better acceleration

616
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:42,680
and better climbrate. I mean, this was a better fighter jet.

617
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,759
Speaker 1: I feel like the Soviets were cooking for a bit there.

618
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,640
It's just modern Russia. I don't really put a ton

619
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,480
of respect on no.

620
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:54,319
Speaker 2: Early I think almost all, like oh Russia is scary

621
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,920
is early Cold War where they actually had some dope

622
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,720
shit and end of World War Two, like the T

623
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:02,240
thirty four tank and stuff like that was just they

624
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:04,599
had the best tank in the in the in the war.

625
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,960
So yeah, that like period like forty four to sixty

626
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,640
Soviets were we were cooking.

627
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:16,119
Speaker 1: And I'll always give the Soviets credit for helping us

628
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,519
when or being like a massive part of winning World

629
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,000
War two. They're not the only reason, the people that

630
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,960
they're also actually the Soviets won World War two. They're

631
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,799
not even the main reason. And we could have done

632
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,039
it by ourselves. Would have been way worse, would have been

633
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:30,079
way worse, way bloody.

634
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,759
Speaker 2: Here, But we could have done it by ourselves. I'm

635
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:33,680
glad we didn't. I mean we were we were the

636
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,160
only we were the only power in World War two

637
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,640
that fought a two front war and one.

638
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: M and on the Patreon this week, we're gonna talk

639
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,119
about the Soviets fighting somebody I forgot they fought in

640
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,400
World War two a country that aligned with Nazi Germany

641
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,920
that I just blanked on.

642
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,279
Speaker 2: What like Romania or something, or Bulgaria. It was one

643
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:54,079
of those weird ones.

644
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,599
Speaker 1: Finland, Oh, you didn't know they fought the Finns. I

645
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,480
didn't know they technically like had war to clin them

646
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,839
by Great Britain. I knew the Soviets and Finland were

647
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,440
just like kind of going at each other.

648
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: That I didn't know, but I did not know they were.

649
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: Finland was like technically for like a three or four

650
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,279
year period part of the Axis.

651
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: They just had to do it they needed to do

652
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:15,720
to survive.

653
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just simply to stay alive.

654
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.

655
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: The Winner War was awful. They weren't like going at

656
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:24,920
you know, the English or the French or US. Right,

657
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,240
It is just they needed to be a part of

658
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:28,519
like Operation Barbarossa.

659
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: Did they? Oh? Did they? They didn't send their Jews

660
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,319
to Germany, right, Finland have Jews. If you send one

661
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,640
jew you're a bad guy.

662
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,559
Speaker 1: Fair enough if Germany was just like But we'll talk

663
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:45,559
about that on the Patreon.

664
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: No happy to defend you. But there are a few

665
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,400
considerations we must make. Von is for going to send

666
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,480
a train, and we need you to fill that train

667
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:59,720
with some people. So that's a type of person. Even

668
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,359
if you only have five, it's fine.

669
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: They got more room, be a better train and ride

670
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,079
to the ones he had not nice, so it could

671
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:09,359
be a better train ride the pot you're going to

672
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,599
need to send him. Uh but yeah, Well, we got

673
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,880
a pretty good story about one man, specifically in the

674
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,759
Finnish army, and I'm sure you could probably figure out

675
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,880
who that man is because there's really only one finished

676
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,799
story from World War Two.

677
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: Guessing it's the sniper.

678
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: No, it's it's not the guy you're thinking. Okay, all right, great,

679
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,839
then all right cool. So Meg is better.

680
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: This is a better jet, This is a better fighter jet,

681
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:38,559
and it is one on six. The shittier jet has

682
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:43,680
is going one on six. The one thing, the one

683
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,559
thing the Panther could do better than the Meg was

684
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,359
it had a better turn radius.

685
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:56,359
Speaker 1: That seems valuable. Oh it was so seems really valuable.

686
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:59,240
To be able to like quickly move the other direction.

687
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: It is, but it's also still like the MiGs are

688
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:09,240
objectively better, and there's six of them. Yeah, So Williams

689
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:11,960
does the only thing he can do. It just starts

690
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:17,400
weaving like crazy, out maneuvering these six MiGs taking him on,

691
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:22,920
and he is taking a hail of gunfire the entire time.

692
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,680
When he got back to the aircraft carrier, spoiler alert,

693
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,519
there were two hundred and sixty three holes in his

694
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:35,119
plane during the fight. He lost control of the hydraulics,

695
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,000
the rudder, he lost the wing controls. By the end

696
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,559
only the elevators were functional. And he's shot every single

697
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,519
one of the seven hundred and sixty rounds that his

698
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:51,880
twenty millimeter cannon shells was twenty million canning. He shot

699
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:52,440
all his rounds.

700
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,039
Speaker 1: So, I guess how does this not turn the Cold

701
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:55,279
War hot?

702
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: We'll get to that.

703
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Was it because of like a technicality The pilots weren't Russian,

704
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:03,279
so just because they were using Russian planes, No, they

705
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,079
were Russian. Oh they were Russian, okay, yeah, No, these

706
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:06,799
were Soviets.

707
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: These were Soviet fighters manned by Soviet pilots and took

708
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,159
off from Soviet Russia.

709
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh what did.

710
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: I think the MiGs had like thirty millimeters thirty six milimeter,

711
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,840
so like way bigger thirty seven milliter I'm sorry, they

712
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,440
had thirty seven millimeters rounds, so way bigger rounds. So

713
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,440
the battle in the At some point in the battle,

714
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,079
he radios back to the aircraft carrier and he's like, uh,

715
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:37,199
I think we're fighting Russians. And he's like, no, we're

716
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,639
definitely fighting Russians, and the aircraft carrier, like whoever's in

717
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:45,679
command or calls back telling him to disengage.

718
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: Because if he doesn't fire, I guess it's technically not

719
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:49,519
a conflict.

720
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: I guess they're like, disengaged, disengage, just get away, and

721
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,920
he radio's back. I assume he did this way more badass.

722
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,039
I assume he said this like this, we are engaged,

723
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920
But in my mind it's like, yeah, no, we are engaged.

724
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,840
I can't disengage. They're punching me in the face.

725
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Right, I can't not fight back. They will die. There's

726
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:12,199
no world.

727
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: And especially because he really can't disengage either because he

728
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,559
can outrun them. So if he tries to turn around

729
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:20,760
and get the fuck out, of there like he just can't.

730
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,199
So he's like, we are engaged.

731
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: If you don't fight back though, they can't keep firing, right,

732
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,119
those are the rules.

733
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: I don't think the Soviets have a lot of rules.

734
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: That's assault.

735
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: Brother Williams later said in the moment, I was a

736
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,360
fighter pilot doing my job. I was only shooting what

737
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,000
I had, So essentially he was just like, I mean

738
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:44,519
they started the fight. I couldn't get away. I just

739
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:45,920
had to fucking try to survive.

740
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: Tell me he took down Hall six. By the end

741
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:58,119
of the fight, he'd shot down four MiGs my man

742
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,400
and hit two others, so got all six. In a way,

743
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:07,800
only one meg returned to base. Let's go this dude

744
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,000
in air to air combat.

745
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: One on six beat six fucking MiGs, the best fighter

746
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,639
jet in the world.

747
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: Do you think you kind of like disassociate from the

748
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,320
actual danger while you're in that situation It kind of

749
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,360
feels more like a game.

750
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think you don't even you

751
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,599
just you just go through the choreography of it, like

752
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,519
it's just muscle memory takes over, you know what I mean,

753
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:31,360
Like you're supposed to do this.

754
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: He like locked the fuck in. Yeah, but I'm sure

755
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,159
with all the adrenaline pumping through your head and your body,

756
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,920
you're probably thinking of it more as like a like

757
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,280
a contest.

758
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: The oh I if I lose, I die. Yeah, because

759
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,880
as soon as that thought creeps into your.

760
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: Head, you die. You die.

761
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're dead. You At no point can you think

762
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:53,840
about that at all. You're just like thinking about your maneuvers,

763
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,000
thinking about I don't even know how much, honest to God,

764
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,559
that he even trained about fighting me. I'm sure he

765
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:04,880
was aware of their capabilities, but that's not who he

766
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,480
had combat experience against up to this point. Honestly, at

767
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,320
this point, most of it was probably strafing the ground

768
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,760
or something, right like how.

769
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:16,639
Speaker 1: Many dog fights are getting into in the fifties against Korea. Yeah,

770
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:18,920
that ton that It doesn't feel like a.

771
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:26,639
Speaker 2: Ton, yeah, experts. Aerial combat experts call it, legitimately quote,

772
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,760
one of the greatest feats in aviation history and the

773
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,159
most unique US Soviet aerial combat dogfight in the entire

774
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:41,920
Cold War. This was an insane win for the United States.

775
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:44,760
It was an impossible win. It should not they should

776
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,960
they he should not have been able.

777
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,559
Speaker 1: To pull this off in an impossible situation like, yeah, again,

778
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,280
this could very well set off a hot war with

779
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,440
the Soviets.

780
00:37:55,519 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: Like literally, and that is what no one ever found

781
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,400
out about it.

782
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: Oh, so swept it under the rug immediately.

783
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Soviet Union again not an official combatant in

784
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,840
the war, they're.

785
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:16,079
Speaker 1: Probably embarrassed though obviously they knew it happened, but they're

786
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,960
embarrassed that six of their fucking planes, five of them

787
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,800
got shot down by one man. Yeah yeah, so they're like,

788
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,960
all right, yeah, that didn't happen.

789
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:28,079
Speaker 2: So essentially finding out like this going public would have

790
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,440
a twofold negative effect and this is why it was

791
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,920
covered up. One forget the Soviets for a second. It

792
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,320
would rile up the Americans.

793
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: McCarthy, the American public, Karthur would be on fire.

794
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like it was just like, the American

795
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,119
public cannot know that the Soviets just sent planes to

796
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,920
kill our boys. They will want blood, they will want

797
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,599
a fucking war immediately. We have to cover this up.

798
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,159
But also if it got out, Yeah, the Soviet it

799
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:04,079
would have been embarrassed and they might have wanted blood

800
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,480
to make up for that, Yeah, to make up for

801
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:12,360
getting absolutely clowned by an aircraft carrier fighter jet because

802
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,320
even so, even like today.

803
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like a mutual agreement between governments.

804
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:20,599
We won't acknowledge that.

805
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 2: We probably shouldn't kill forty million people over this, but

806
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,280
like today, even like US is just saying, like, the

807
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,599
strongest air force in the world is the US Air Force.

808
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,239
The second strongest air force is the US Navy. But

809
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,320
the Navy planes for the most part, like the ones

810
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,960
that take off of aircraft carriers. I'm pretty sure they

811
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,440
do not have the same capabilities of the exact same

812
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,920
fighter jet that takes off from a land base, Like

813
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,840
it's a little bit pared down to get on the carrier.

814
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,119
Speaker 1: Basically, it gives me so much anxiety seeing them land

815
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,760
on the actual carriers. But I have to like hit

816
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,119
the hook.

817
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,119
Speaker 2: Oh his landing was a nightmare, by the way, because

818
00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:58,239
half his plane didn't work.

819
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: It was just half apart.

820
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:03,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, like almost nothing was working on the plane. So

821
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:04,840
he just kind of had to slam into the character

822
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:05,960
give us a.

823
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: Big net so he can catch us.

824
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: So, yeah, they they could not release his information because

825
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,400
the Americans would probably want war and the Soviets would

826
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,880
probably want war or to make up for it, somehow.

827
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:22,800
So the incident was not just immediately classified, but Williams

828
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:28,800
had to have a talking to about it from every body.

829
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,800
He was debriefed by all the highest ranking admirals, the

830
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,440
Secretary of Defense. And this is a fun thing that

831
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,920
this guy had to deal with, I assume the very

832
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,719
newly inaugurated Dwight D. Eisenhower.

833
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, now they better have given him a sweet little bonus,

834
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,039
a little incentive to keep things secret. My man, just

835
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,440
you know, to the impossible, and he doesn't get the

836
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,599
recognition he needs or deserves.

837
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: So you better what the beak Williams for what it's worth.

838
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,159
I will get to that in a second. Williams wore

839
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:10,360
it's worth played ball. Did not say a goddamn thing

840
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,679
I did. Patriot did not tell his wife, did not

841
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,440
tell his brother, who is also I think a military pilot.

842
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:18,199
Speaker 1: Actually they didn't find out until it was just announced

843
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,239
he was going to receive the Medal of Honor this year.

844
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was uh, it was declassified in

845
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,800
two thousand and two. Yeah. So once it was declassified

846
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:32,320
in O two when he is almost eighty, they're like, Royce,

847
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:39,920
what and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I won the

848
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,760
greatest dog fight in human history? What of it?

849
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:45,199
Speaker 1: Right?

850
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,599
Speaker 2: Didn't you too me? Like, I don't know, I said

851
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:54,159
I wouldn't. But so the US records completely scrub the details.

852
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:56,679
But they didn't. They couldn't totally scrub it because it

853
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,519
was it happened. So the records were changed to say

854
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:03,199
that he fought one quote enemy plane, did not say

855
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,599
it was Soviet uh, and that he took it down,

856
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:10,079
and then he damaged one. And in nineteen fifty three

857
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,679
he he did get a silver Star for the for

858
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,760
the cleaned up version.

859
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:22,079
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's all he got. Yeah, that's it, just

860
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,280
a little silver just a little silver star.

861
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:28,079
Speaker 2: However, on January twentieth, twenty twenty three.

862
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: Now there's a you know, back galley handshake. Here's one

863
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:31,960
hundred gees.

864
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 2: I mean you need to give him some Well, okay,

865
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,280
for what it's worth. He had a nice long career

866
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:38,840
in the Navy.

867
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, cushy job.

868
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I assume so well after Nom because he was

869
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,119
still flying fucking combat missions and Nom flew more of them,

870
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:48,239
and Nom.

871
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,039
Speaker 1: Just kept getting moving up the ranks. Yeah.

872
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think he retired as a captain, but he

873
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,920
was commanding a ship or a base or something by

874
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,239
the end of it. So he did a good job.

875
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:03,519
The so it also knew what happened, and the archives.

876
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:06,119
So actually it was declassified by the US in two

877
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,119
thousand and two, but I think the story got out

878
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:11,880
in the nineties after the Soviet Union fell and all

879
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,199
of their shit was declassified, so he might he might

880
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:16,119
have told him in the nineties.

881
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: I can't.

882
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,679
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, he didn't tell any one till two

883
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,440
thousand and two, so I guess he kept denying it

884
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:23,519
until the US government was like, Okay, now you can

885
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:26,320
talk about it. So for there were ten years where

886
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,039
people were like, Royce, was that you and he was

887
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:31,679
like no, no, no, I thought what it was some

888
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,599
dumb little plane shut down. I don't know. On January twentieth,

889
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:41,000
twenty twenty three, the then Secretary of the Navy, Carlos

890
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:44,760
del Toro, upgraded his Silver Star to a Navy Cross,

891
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,960
and he essentially in the ceremony, was like he deserved

892
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,119
a better award than what he was initially given.

893
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:58,119
Speaker 1: What's a star to across? What's across to a medal?

894
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:04,199
Speaker 2: Vun Representative darryl Issa, who is seventy two years old,

895
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,480
himself Jesus. He's a Republican from California. He has been

896
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,599
fighting for years to get Williams all the way up

897
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,079
to the Medal of Honor. On February fourth, twenty twenty.

898
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,039
Speaker 1: Six, mission accomplished.

899
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: He got it. He got this man his Medal of Honor. Williams,

900
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,880
still alive at the age of one hundred years old,

901
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,880
will hopefully tomorrow get it. See the Medal of Honor.

902
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: Come on, we gotta push this up the agenda.

903
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: Got to get it. You can't take a single hour

904
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:40,599
for granted, like fly, you need to fly Trump and

905
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,280
whoever else needs to be there to him, like now.

906
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: Get it done. Yeah, he shouldn't have to travel.

907
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it'll literally be the last trip

908
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,559
of his life, one way or the other.

909
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, have him go up, have him fly the plane.

910
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: One last time, one last time. I got served the

911
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,960
funniest fuck YouTube short last night. It was one hundred

912
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,440
year old man who was a World War Two veteran

913
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,840
who was like I I would fought in World War

914
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,320
Two And I'm gonna shoot this in one garran and

915
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,079
he's holding it. By the way, I've shot in him

916
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:19,679
one garrant. It's not a light rifle. It's kind of

917
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,840
heavy and it does have kicks. So I'm literally thrown

918
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,960
like thirty feet by That's what I was waiting to see.

919
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,679
I was like, I think this guy there was a

920
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,159
guy standing behind him with his hand on the shoulder, just.

921
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:30,599
Speaker 1: A bag of bones. Like.

922
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: He was just like, but he did it. I was

923
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,719
waiting for disaster.

924
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but our heroes, when they're a hundred, they should

925
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:40,840
be able to go out that way.

926
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,559
Speaker 2: I mean, there was I don't know if he's a hundred,

927
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:47,239
but who's close. The last normandy thing he did a

928
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:54,119
drop was the airborne guy from from the Wall did

929
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,800
one more drop. I think he was tethered to another

930
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,760
human being for that one.

931
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: But let him go fly for a Russian airspace right now?

932
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: Do you miss the flak? Do you miss the flak?

933
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:11,639
Speaker 1: And then we'll sweep that under the rug. But yeah, Williams.

934
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: Williams will be getting the Medal of Honor any day

935
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:20,719
for what is I think kind of unanimously considered the

936
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:26,119
greatest dog fight win in human history, certainly in American history. Yeah,

937
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:30,719
my guy, fucking g dude, absolute stuff. I mean it is.

938
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:33,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't think of a better dog fight

939
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,079
victory in my mom.

940
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: I've got a lot coming through. Yeah, I don't know.

941
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:42,639
Speaker 1: So many that I can list off right now. And yeah,

942
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:43,400
I think this is one.

943
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Speaker 2: I think this is number one.

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Speaker 1: I think it's one. I do honestly don't want to

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be a prisoner in the moment. But tops them all,

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this guy's number one.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Royce Williams absolute the greatest aerial win in

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US history, minimum getting the Medal of Honor. That's his

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story that he had to keep secret for fifty years.

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Speaker 1: It's a shame, it is, you know, not all secrets are.

951
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Speaker 2: Bad, no, but I get why they had to do it.

952
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Speaker 1: After a certain point though, once the Cold War's over,

953
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once the fucking PERLM wall comes down, let's let's get

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this out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, w or not w HW a pilot him,

956
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I think maybe certainly a military aviator himself. As soon

957
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as the Cold War ended, which is under his watch,

958
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should have pulled this guy up to the stage.

959
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Speaker 1: But he was allegedly too busy eating babies.

960
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Speaker 2: It's true he needed that sweet sweet And what is it,

961
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Andrew creen or adrenochrome a drenochrome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real, damn it. What'd you learn today all

963
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about this marvelous pilot's life, well not really his life,

964
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but a good portion of this hero's existence. He had

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to live in secrecy, and that just wasn't right.

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Speaker 2: You had to keep it to him. I mean you

967
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,039
got to think like there had to be times where

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even when he was still in the Navy.

969
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Speaker 1: When he came back to the bar. You don't think

970
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:18,920
he let it slip, had a couple of drinks in

971
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him hitting on a lady.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how quickly Eisenhower got to him, Like

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he just lands on the aircraft carrier and like Eisenhower's

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on the phone, he needs to speak to you right now.

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Speaker 1: That might have been like an immediate Eisenhower moment. Yeah,

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like he just top priority for him.

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Speaker 2: Because but you got to think, like how many times,

978
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either in his personal life or even when he was

979
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still in the Navy and he has to deal with

980
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:48,519
some young hotshot pilot who's like, you can't for life

981
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,840
for shit, old man, I'm gonna show you how tho

982
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,000
his young bucks do it up there. He's just like shit,

983
00:48:56,519 --> 00:49:00,239
like just just wants to be like, just let him

984
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,800
know that he's the goat. He had the greatest fucking

985
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aerial win in history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because pilots honestly don't come off as humble, No.

987
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Speaker 2: Typically, not fighter pilots especially.

988
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: It's also a position. I don't want to have a

989
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,280
humble person behind the sticks.

990
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you know there were a lot of humble ones.

991
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,159
Wasn't Neil Armstrong a fighter pilot.

992
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: That's why buzz Aldrin gets a lot of the lot

993
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:30,159
of play because he was charismatic. He was able to

994
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:33,199
get the headlines. Neil was just boring, and that's why

995
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,280
he was the point man. That's what you need for

996
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:35,639
the moon.

997
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose, I don't know, it's a.

998
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: Good dynamic between the two. Yeah, literally, Ying and Yang.

999
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:44,119
Speaker 2: I don't know if John Glenn was like a terribly

1000
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:46,679
humble guys. I mean I only knew him as a senator.

1001
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,119
Speaker 1: But I want a fighter pilot to have belief in himself.

1002
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,519
Speaker 2: I agree. Now, I think the perfect combination for a

1003
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:55,000
fighter pilot really, right. You don't want, I think like

1004
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,920
Glenn Powell in top Gun two situations so much as

1005
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:03,599
a Ted Williams sitch right, because Ted Williams not humble,

1006
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:07,679
a real dick actually, and very high belief in himself.

1007
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: Well, he froze his head so he could reincarnate. I

1008
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,679
think that self belief on another level.

1009
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: That is elite self belief.

1010
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: Him and Walt.

1011
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,199
Speaker 2: But ted Williams. Gruff didn't like to talk to people, right,

1012
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,159
so he was arrogant and was like, I will take

1013
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:27,639
anyone down, but didn't want to talk to anyone. I

1014
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,840
think that's the elite fighter pilot combo.

1015
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:38,679
Speaker 1: Just shit talking, chest pumping internally, but oudardly to the public.

1016
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Didn't care. I just didn't care about their beliefs.

1017
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a quiet hate for whomever he was pitted against,

1018
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:49,719
whether it be an aerial combat.

1019
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,559
Speaker 1: And that's how he hit four hundred in the season.

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Speaker 2: That is quiet hate. That's why Tony Gwynn couldn't do it.

1021
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:03,079
Speaker 1: Your hate for Tony Winn is just unbelievable.

1022
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Speaker 2: The old slap and waddle. Yeah, my two biggest hates

1023
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:09,280
on this show are Leonardo da Vinci and Tony Gwynn.

1024
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And I don't know in which order.

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00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,559
Speaker 1: You just hate classic baseball. That's really all it comes

1026
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,599
down to. Your dance metric guy.

1027
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: I was actually I was watching Royals highlights last night

1028
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,039
of their Last World Series, which is classic baseball. They

1029
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:26,800
were playing that contact game because one of their one

1030
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of their guys died.

1031
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Speaker 1: On the Royals, Yeah, the team that won the World

1032
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:32,360
Series like a decade ago.

1033
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Terrence Gore. He was on there to steal Bay.

1034
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,000
He actually won a World Series with the Braves too,

1035
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,800
but uh yeah, he was like thirty fours and I

1036
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don't know how he died, but I was bummed because

1037
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he was just lighting up the bass paths during that postseason.

1038
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,559
But yeah, I think Ted Williams is the is the

1039
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,320
elite combo who's today's hitler.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna blame the Koreans for not having belief in

1041
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,840
their air force.

1042
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Speaker 2: The Koreans having a shit air force almost started World

1043
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:02,519
War Three.

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Speaker 1: We're not here if that happens, No one's here.

1045
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,199
Speaker 2: Actually, the only good thing about World War Three starting

1046
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,480
that early is that I don't think anyone had ICBMs yet,

1047
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,000
like it was still you would still have to deliver

1048
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:18,199
nukes via a plane.

1049
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a sub, right.

1050
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:27,519
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe the entire world isn't obliterated.

1051
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,039
Speaker 1: Although when was the Russian sub where they were under

1052
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:35,719
the belief that America fired a nuke and he just

1053
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,159
didn't believe it. So he didn't hit the button.

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Speaker 2: Russian. Yeah, the Russian who saved the world.

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00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:44,559
Speaker 1: Yeah was that? When was that?

1056
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:50,519
Speaker 2: Holy shit? That was eighty three. Yeah, there was another

1057
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,920
one in sixty two, so actually no, the one in

1058
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,320
sixty two was the submarine.

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Speaker 1: So we've escaped catastrophe multiple times.

1060
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one in sixty two was the submarine that

1061
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,519
was a cube missile crisis during the CU missal crisis.

1062
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And then the guy who you read about a lot,

1063
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:10,920
he was in a land base, but in eighty three

1064
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,159
he was like, yeah, I don't think they're launching. They're like,

1065
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,559
but the warnings, he still he says launch and he's like,

1066
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,159
I wonder if he was just like, but why probably

1067
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,360
what happened today.

1068
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Speaker 1: Like there's no reason for them to do Yeah, so

1069
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,679
logic one out. Thank God. We've avoided nuclear apocalypse several

1070
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,719
times with the Russians, and this was one of those times.

1071
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1072
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 1: So shust my boy for keeping it low, for keeping

1073
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,440
the secret being about that life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good for him. Royce Williams a well deserved Medal

1075
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:57,880
of Honor winner. And that is our our show for today. Yeah,

1076
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as always, you can find us on patreon dot com,

1077
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:01,960
patrental comp slash softcore history.

1078
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Speaker 1: You have two additional episodes on the lower tier that

1079
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drop Wednesday and Friday that are much like this. We

1080
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also have an upper tier that is for sports contents.

1081
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If we do a sports show, I drop GoF picks.

1082
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,760
We do additional softcore shows in there as well. Occasionally

1083
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,599
get your your money's worth. You get a lot of

1084
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:20,880
bang for your buck at this point, there's so many

1085
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:26,159
episodes that are evergreen four years now of content. So

1086
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check it out.

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Speaker 2: And please like and or please leave a review in

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don't watch on YouTube, just subscribe on YouTube. Video will

1091
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be coming on Spotify soon in a week or two,

1092
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I think probably, So we're going to be handling some

1093
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things on the back end. We're switching our sis feeds.

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If there's a little bit of a disruption, we apologize

1095
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for that. But should be smooth, should be fine. But

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video come to Spotify soon.

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Speaker 2: Very very soon, and leave a five star review there,

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and also so a comment on the episodes helps it

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helps boost it. Check it out. But that's all I

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got for day. And Royce Williams the most forgotten man

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of the forgotten War.

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Speaker 1: I love you.

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Speaker 2: Yes for damn Regester, I'm Rob Fox.

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Speaker 1: You just got Saucer.