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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth, we're continuing with Lost season two, episode nineteen sos,

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<v Speaker 1>in which we are reunited with Bernard and Rose, who

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<v Speaker 1>we have seen only fleeting. Since they were reunited, we

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<v Speaker 1>got their backstory, We got to find out that Bernard

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<v Speaker 1>is really kind of a lot And although honestly, from

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<v Speaker 1>a parenting point of view, have I been the person

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<v Speaker 1>who says I have to try everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on me, me, me, I have.

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<v Speaker 1>To do everything that is possible to try get out

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<v Speaker 1>of my way. Person who's directly affected by this relate

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<v Speaker 1>to Bernard more than I want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Will you also be the one out there with dragging

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<v Speaker 2>rocks from place to place?

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<v Speaker 1>I think my family would say, yes, yep, that tracks.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh poor.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you have to feel sorry for him for

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do something and being so resoundingly rejected. But

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, buddy, buddy, listen to yourself, will

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<v Speaker 1>you please?

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<v Speaker 2>And as I said last week, now we're trying this now, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and you're all too comfortable. Stop being comfortable. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do this is completely probably useless.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop building a tax church. We need to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I as I was as watching, as I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the island healed Rose. The island healed Rose, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why Rose is just fine about stacking groceries

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<v Speaker 1>because she will ever leave, right. And yes, indeed that

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<v Speaker 1>did turn out to be the case. And she also

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<v Speaker 1>knows Locke's secret, right, So that was kind of enjoyable

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<v Speaker 1>the way all that came together.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and they haven't been like I think it was

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<v Speaker 4>assumed or implied that they had been together a very

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<v Speaker 4>long time, and then you find out, no, not really,

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<v Speaker 4>it hasn't been that long.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not this long love story. It's just you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're newlyweds.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to get back together.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And the Lost Peda said something about earlier on Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>It said that my husband always has him has me

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<v Speaker 1>hold his wedding room when we fly. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>like the only time thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, they've been on two flights together or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so who knows whatever, right, little Red Conning,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine. Yeah, this is another one of those episodes

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<v Speaker 1>where all of a sudden, there's all these people we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, you've never seen these people before.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're throwing out names of all these people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, who are these.

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<v Speaker 2>They were also Rogert, Yeah, they were in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the last one too, like oh, we found

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<v Speaker 2>some food in the jungle. All of a sudden, there's

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<v Speaker 2>like fifteen people running towards.

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<v Speaker 1>The Yeah, yeah, yes, oh well, I guess having an extra.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're an extra on this show and just every

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<v Speaker 1>now and then they may need to pull you in

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<v Speaker 1>for a crowd scene. Do they put you up in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you get to just hang around there for uh

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<v Speaker 1>and not work but just a little or are they

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<v Speaker 2>Are they Hawaiian locals?

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<v Speaker 3>Who? Oh that just jump in.

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<v Speaker 1>That would make sense, right, that would make sense the

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<v Speaker 1>local branch of the Hawaiian Actors Associations. You got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of a lot of work, got some work.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of it. Yeah, good for them, Happy for you, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And we found out what mister Echo is building, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a church.

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<v Speaker 3>And Charlie who is saving people.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Charlie known altar boy, is is helping.

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<v Speaker 1>I get this feeling that Charlie will just help anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who will have him.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, be nice to me for a half a second,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't tell me to go away, and I am right.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't scream at me to go away, as he's

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<v Speaker 1>been the case in some get But so good for him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what he has.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not just gone off by himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He's offering his services to whoever will tolerate him.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, good man.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably could have carried rocks if it came to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But right he was like, I'm not gonna I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to mess up a good thing I got going

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<v Speaker 2>here with mister Echo. You can't get me to change

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But but if you're still doing it later.

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<v Speaker 2>Right after we're done with this entire structure, then maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'll think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I enjoyed Bernard saying to mister Echo, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I liked you better when you just hit people with yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I did think that was a little bit mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Bernard's kind of intense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you said, we want that guy to be

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<v Speaker 1>my dentist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was like, ooh, sick Burn, you're a dentist, Bernard. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, trouble in Paradise in Paradise there. I've been thinking

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<v Speaker 1>in this one that whoever writes Sawyer's dialogue, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's just a group effort or if there's

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<v Speaker 1>some person who's in charge of Sawyer. They had themselves

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<v Speaker 1>a good time. Got trouble down at the sand Factory,

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<v Speaker 1>normal Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>The nicknames. I mean, yes, there's like at least three

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<v Speaker 2>her episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Jack was doctor Giggles this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they gotta come up something. Every time.

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<v Speaker 1>They must just have a like a board up in

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<v Speaker 1>the writer's room. And and uh, every time somebody thinks

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<v Speaker 1>of Yeah, here's something nicknames.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll save it for later. H mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh so in our.

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<v Speaker 1>Other plots here, Henry not Henry is not talking as

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<v Speaker 1>why would he why would he give any of them

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<v Speaker 1>the satisfaction of answering their questions? Come on, Yes, He'll

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<v Speaker 1>just just gonna sit there and smile, sister, And he

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<v Speaker 1>knows the camera is on him.

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<v Speaker 5>I was watching Amazing Race and I happened to be

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<v Speaker 5>watching it with commercials, and they had they had commercials

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<v Speaker 5>for that show, Elsbeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with his wife, the Carrie Preston.

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<v Speaker 2>Carrie Preston's his wife is yeah, okay, because he's in

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<v Speaker 2>an episode coming up. He's like the baddie in an episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, look at him. He's still

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<v Speaker 2>he still has that look on his.

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<v Speaker 3>He does that very well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I did not realize they were married. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be an upcoming episode or maybe a recent episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't get a job on your wife's wife's show,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I wonder if she was on what was

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the series that he had person of interest.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, he was in.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good in that, but that he was a good

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<v Speaker 1>guy Okay, well that's a little change up.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't seem to be a good guy. And in

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<v Speaker 2>his guest appearance on Elsbeth.

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<v Speaker 6>Just know.

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<v Speaker 3>Exercising those evil muscles, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So look out for that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and Locke was trying to recall and recreate what

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<v Speaker 7>he saw on the on the door.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, when it was crushing his leg.

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<v Speaker 2>So he didn't get too far. But no, he did

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<v Speaker 2>feel better after talking to Rose. She has that effect on.

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<v Speaker 3>People, Yes, she does.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack gets this idea that he's going to do the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that not Henry said about swapping him for somebody else,

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<v Speaker 1>and he and Kate go out into the jungle to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the line of confrontation and offer not Henry

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<v Speaker 1>in return for Walt not Michael. No, we don't care

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<v Speaker 1>about him, but Walt.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they figure where where Walt go, Michael, we'll follow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, on the way, they get caught in a net.

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<v Speaker 2>That was so like slapstick it curly was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, we need to satisfy the Jack Kate shippers

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<v Speaker 1>without ticking off the Kate Sawyer shippers. So we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>put them in a position where it looks like they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be romantic, but they're actually just got in

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<v Speaker 1>and that was silly. And also Jack, you know, Jack, mister,

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<v Speaker 1>I know how to do everything. Everybody should listen to me.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know somebody's gonna get caught in a net,

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<v Speaker 1>don't runs to try to get them. Stop, stand off

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<v Speaker 1>to the side, let them get caught, laugh at them then,

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<v Speaker 1>and then get them out. What does it help for

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<v Speaker 1>both of you to be in the net?

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<v Speaker 2>Dude?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, his his jungle survival skills are not what

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<v Speaker 1>he makes them out to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which we knew.

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<v Speaker 1>And also Russo just puts random toy baby dogs. I

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<v Speaker 1>know they like to take babies. Maybe they'll buy this,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they'll think, oh, look there's a baby just all

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<v Speaker 1>by itself in the jungle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so realistic, looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Where did she get that baby?

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<v Speaker 1>But well, only dumb castaways are going to go for that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so far, and you got back and Kate, Oh silly, silly.

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<v Speaker 1>But then when they finally do they get to the

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<v Speaker 1>place and nobody's there, and they waited out in the rain,

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<v Speaker 1>and finally they get somebody tossed to them, but not

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<v Speaker 1>Walt Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael does not look all

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<v Speaker 1>that well for wear. No, but and just shortly before, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a Vincent siding there is that Like, was

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<v Speaker 1>that supposed to be foreshadowing?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sawyer was just sitting there doing something and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, Vincent walks up yep, out of nowhere dog.

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<v Speaker 8>And Sawyer, because he's deep down a good person, question

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<v Speaker 8>Mark gives Vincent a piece of his food and a pet.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, yeah, where's that dog?

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<v Speaker 1>Ben? What's that dog been doing? Sure that dog's not

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<v Speaker 1>another Maybe they cloned him and this is like the

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<v Speaker 1>evil Vincent. Oh yeah, but anyway, Michael, Michael.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, do you suppose next week we'll get to find

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<v Speaker 6>out what he's beIN up to or will they just like,

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<v Speaker 6>wait a couple of weeks then be like, oh yeah, Michael,

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<v Speaker 6>I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Not say because I know, all right, next week's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a memorable episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it is, okay, it is, yes, Well, we are

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>Parenting wise, you know when when Sawyer thought Jack was

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<v Speaker 1>All the If all the kids are off due going

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<v Speaker 3>But apparently the.

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<v Speaker 1>Year she was my daughter was a junior, they left

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<v Speaker 1>I was left out of that. I wasn't there, you know, Sometimes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good thing, right. Also, parenting wise, with their

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<v Speaker 1>situation with Henry, sometimes you have to give people an

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<v Speaker 1>incentive to speak, especially with kids with disabilities, but really

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<v Speaker 1>just any kid, you know, as we discussed last week

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<v Speaker 1>with food and toileting, speaking is another thing where they

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<v Speaker 1>have all the cards right. You can't make them talk,

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<v Speaker 1>They do not seem to be giving not Henry reasons

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<v Speaker 1>to know, and so he can just happily sit there

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<v Speaker 1>with his evil grin that nobody can see. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a thing to think about as a parent too.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can create incentives, right, the care is over

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<v Speaker 1>the stick exactly, because the stick ain't going to get

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<v Speaker 1>you anything. You can't You can't reach down their throat

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<v Speaker 1>to make them want to say it, right, So, if

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<v Speaker 1>something or whatever, think about how to make it appealing

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<v Speaker 1>rather than depend on their their love and desire to

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<v Speaker 1>please you to make things happen.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't desire it that much exactly, And.

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<v Speaker 2>That is like an extra layer of disappointment if.

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<v Speaker 4>That does it is it is, but don't you love

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<v Speaker 3>It's also.

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<v Speaker 1>Parenthetically, if you have a kid who doesn't talk, if

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, give a full in the blanks opportunity, right,

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<v Speaker 1>could go to and say, so, what really happened, so

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<v Speaker 1>know what answers I should be getting and lead ask

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<v Speaker 1>leading questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard when you don't have that and you

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<v Speaker 2>Talk today, tell me something, did you do this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>That you said you didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>No no no. Also, as previously mentioned, if someone is

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<v Speaker 1>something that all to a happens with kids, especially maybe teenagers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I must go to this person and tell

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<v Speaker 1>them not to do this extremely dangerous thing they're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it means doing that extremely dangerously myself. No

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<v Speaker 1>stand off way exactly, don't hop on the too fast

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<v Speaker 1>motorcycle to tell them that they need to stop riding

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so many lessons to learn, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, for example, when they were trying to get not

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<v Speaker 1>Henry to talk, did he know that there are Dharmer

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<v Speaker 1>brand potato chips? Darmer brand potato chips. Now, maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he would have talked for some of those. Yeah, some

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<v Speaker 1>Darmer brand goldfish. There's probably more cereal.

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<v Speaker 3>I bet there's more.

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<v Speaker 1>Serially, like cereal and milk. It was their milk.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it would happen. Wouldn't it have to be

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<v Speaker 2>like powdered milk or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have to be unless the others have a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I would put nothing past the story needs a dairy.

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<v Speaker 1>There will be a good dairy. Oh well, next week, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll continue with season two, episode twenty of Lost.

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<v Speaker 3>Two for the road.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we think those two are? And uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a memorable episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Necessarily remember every one of these, but I remember what

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<v Speaker 1>happens in this one, and I've been wondering when that

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<v Speaker 3>So hey, Michael, Michael's back.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael's back.

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<v Speaker 3>What could possibly go wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>And that is, by the way, an Ana Lucia flashback episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, despite your mentioning.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Michael, Yeah, well yeah, okay, you'll see why. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see you back here tomorrow to discuss running point.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe if they dropped like big shipments of generic food

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<v Speaker 1>at the basketball games, that would be an exciting one.

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