Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of April
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, we're continuing with Lost season two, episode nineteen sos,
Speaker 1: in which we are reunited with Bernard and Rose, who
Speaker 1: we have seen only fleeting. Since they were reunited, we
Speaker 1: got their backstory, We got to find out that Bernard
Speaker 1: is really kind of a lot And although honestly, from
Speaker 1: a parenting point of view, have I been the person
Speaker 1: who says I have to try everything.
Speaker 3: It's on me, me, me, I have.
Speaker 1: To do everything that is possible to try get out
Speaker 1: of my way. Person who's directly affected by this relate
Speaker 1: to Bernard more than I want to.
Speaker 2: Will you also be the one out there with dragging
Speaker 2: rocks from place to place?
Speaker 1: I think my family would say, yes, yep, that tracks.
Speaker 3: Oh poor.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to feel sorry for him for
Speaker 1: trying to do something and being so resoundingly rejected. But
Speaker 1: on the other hand, buddy, buddy, listen to yourself, will
Speaker 1: you please?
Speaker 2: And as I said last week, now we're trying this now, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you're all too comfortable. Stop being comfortable. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's do this is completely probably useless.
Speaker 2: Stop building a tax church. We need to get out
Speaker 2: of here.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But I as I was as watching, as I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I think the island healed Rose. The island healed Rose, right,
Speaker 1: So that's why Rose is just fine about stacking groceries
Speaker 1: because she will ever leave, right. And yes, indeed that
Speaker 1: did turn out to be the case. And she also
Speaker 1: knows Locke's secret, right, So that was kind of enjoyable
Speaker 1: the way all that came together.
Speaker 4: Right, and they haven't been like I think it was
Speaker 4: assumed or implied that they had been together a very
Speaker 4: long time, and then you find out, no, not really,
Speaker 4: it hasn't been that long.
Speaker 1: It's not this long love story. It's just you know, hey,
Speaker 1: we're newlyweds.
Speaker 3: I'd like to get back together.
Speaker 1: Right, And the Lost Peda said something about earlier on Rose.
Speaker 1: It said that my husband always has him has me
Speaker 1: hold his wedding room when we fly. But this is
Speaker 1: like the only time thing.
Speaker 2: Right, they've been on two flights together or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so who knows whatever, right, little Red Conning,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Yeah, this is another one of those episodes
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden, there's all these people we have.
Speaker 2: Know, you've never seen these people before.
Speaker 1: And they're throwing out names of all these people, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like, who are these.
Speaker 2: They were also Rogert, Yeah, they were in the in
Speaker 2: the in the last one too, like oh, we found
Speaker 2: some food in the jungle. All of a sudden, there's
Speaker 2: like fifteen people running towards.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, yeah, yes, oh well, I guess having an extra.
Speaker 1: If you're an extra on this show and just every
Speaker 1: now and then they may need to pull you in
Speaker 1: for a crowd scene. Do they put you up in Hawaii.
Speaker 1: Do you get to just hang around there for uh
Speaker 1: and not work but just a little or are they
Speaker 1: all reapartment?
Speaker 2: Are they Hawaiian locals?
Speaker 3: Who? Oh that just jump in.
Speaker 1: That would make sense, right, that would make sense the
Speaker 1: local branch of the Hawaiian Actors Associations. You got a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of work, got some work.
Speaker 2: Out of it. Yeah, good for them, Happy for you, yep.
Speaker 2: And we found out what mister Echo is building, which
Speaker 2: is a church.
Speaker 3: And Charlie who is saving people.
Speaker 4: Right, Charlie known altar boy, is is helping.
Speaker 1: I get this feeling that Charlie will just help anybody
Speaker 1: who will have him.
Speaker 2: Right, be nice to me for a half a second,
Speaker 2: and I am yours.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me to go away, and I am right.
Speaker 1: You don't scream at me to go away, as he's
Speaker 1: been the case in some get But so good for him,
Speaker 1: you know what he has.
Speaker 3: He's not just gone off by himself.
Speaker 1: He's offering his services to whoever will tolerate him.
Speaker 3: Right, good man.
Speaker 1: He probably could have carried rocks if it came to that.
Speaker 2: But right he was like, I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 2: going to mess up a good thing I got going
Speaker 2: here with mister Echo. You can't get me to change
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Right, But but if you're still doing it later.
Speaker 2: Right after we're done with this entire structure, then maybe
Speaker 2: I'll think about it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I enjoyed Bernard saying to mister Echo, I think
Speaker 1: I liked you better when you just hit people with yourself.
Speaker 2: I did think that was a little bit mean.
Speaker 3: Bernard's kind of intense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, we want that guy to be
Speaker 1: my dentist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like, ooh, sick Burn, you're a dentist, Bernard. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trouble in Paradise in Paradise there. I've been thinking
Speaker 1: in this one that whoever writes Sawyer's dialogue, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's just a group effort or if there's
Speaker 1: some person who's in charge of Sawyer. They had themselves
Speaker 1: a good time. Got trouble down at the sand Factory,
Speaker 1: normal Ray.
Speaker 2: The nicknames. I mean, yes, there's like at least three
Speaker 2: her episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jack was doctor Giggles this time.
Speaker 2: Yes, they gotta come up something. Every time.
Speaker 1: They must just have a like a board up in
Speaker 1: the writer's room. And and uh, every time somebody thinks
Speaker 1: of Yeah, here's something nicknames.
Speaker 2: We'll save it for later. H mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And uh so in our.
Speaker 1: Other plots here, Henry not Henry is not talking as
Speaker 1: why would he why would he give any of them
Speaker 1: the satisfaction of answering their questions? Come on, Yes, He'll
Speaker 1: just just gonna sit there and smile, sister, And he
Speaker 1: knows the camera is on him.
Speaker 5: I was watching Amazing Race and I happened to be
Speaker 5: watching it with commercials, and they had they had commercials
Speaker 5: for that show, Elsbeth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with his wife, the Carrie Preston.
Speaker 2: Carrie Preston's his wife is yeah, okay, because he's in
Speaker 2: an episode coming up. He's like the baddie in an episode.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, look at him. He's still
Speaker 2: he still has that look on his.
Speaker 3: He does that very well.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did not realize they were married. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be an upcoming episode or maybe a recent episode.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You can't get a job on your wife's wife's show,
Speaker 1: That's what I wonder if she was on what was
Speaker 1: the name of the series that he had person of interest.
Speaker 3: Ah, he was in.
Speaker 1: Very good in that, but that he was a good
Speaker 1: guy Okay, well that's a little change up.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to be a good guy. And in
Speaker 2: his guest appearance on Elsbeth.
Speaker 6: Just know.
Speaker 3: Exercising those evil muscles, you know.
Speaker 2: So look out for that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and Locke was trying to recall and recreate what
Speaker 7: he saw on the on the door.
Speaker 3: Yes, when it was crushing his leg.
Speaker 2: So he didn't get too far. But no, he did
Speaker 2: feel better after talking to Rose. She has that effect on.
Speaker 3: People, Yes, she does.
Speaker 1: Jack gets this idea that he's going to do the
Speaker 1: thing that not Henry said about swapping him for somebody else,
Speaker 1: and he and Kate go out into the jungle to
Speaker 1: go to the line of confrontation and offer not Henry
Speaker 1: in return for Walt not Michael. No, we don't care
Speaker 1: about him, but Walt.
Speaker 2: I guess they figure where where Walt go, Michael, we'll follow.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, on the way, they get caught in a net.
Speaker 2: That was so like slapstick it curly was.
Speaker 1: It's like, we need to satisfy the Jack Kate shippers
Speaker 1: without ticking off the Kate Sawyer shippers. So we'll just
Speaker 1: put them in a position where it looks like they're
Speaker 1: going to be romantic, but they're actually just got in
Speaker 1: and that was silly. And also Jack, you know, Jack, mister,
Speaker 1: I know how to do everything. Everybody should listen to me.
Speaker 1: If you know somebody's gonna get caught in a net,
Speaker 1: don't runs to try to get them. Stop, stand off
Speaker 1: to the side, let them get caught, laugh at them then,
Speaker 1: and then get them out. What does it help for
Speaker 1: both of you to be in the net?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: Come on, his his jungle survival skills are not what
Speaker 1: he makes them out to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which we knew.
Speaker 1: And also Russo just puts random toy baby dogs. I
Speaker 1: know they like to take babies. Maybe they'll buy this,
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll think, oh, look there's a baby just all
Speaker 1: by itself in the jungle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so realistic, looking.
Speaker 2: Where did she get that baby?
Speaker 1: But well, only dumb castaways are going to go for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so far, and you got back and Kate, Oh silly, silly.
Speaker 1: But then when they finally do they get to the
Speaker 1: place and nobody's there, and they waited out in the rain,
Speaker 1: and finally they get somebody tossed to them, but not
Speaker 1: Walt Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael does not look all
Speaker 1: that well for wear. No, but and just shortly before, Michael,
Speaker 1: we had a Vincent siding there is that Like, was
Speaker 1: that supposed to be foreshadowing?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sawyer was just sitting there doing something and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Vincent walks up yep, out of nowhere dog.
Speaker 8: And Sawyer, because he's deep down a good person, question
Speaker 8: Mark gives Vincent a piece of his food and a pet.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, yeah, where's that dog?
Speaker 1: Ben? What's that dog been doing? Sure that dog's not
Speaker 1: another Maybe they cloned him and this is like the
Speaker 1: evil Vincent. Oh yeah, but anyway, Michael, Michael.
Speaker 6: Yeah, do you suppose next week we'll get to find
Speaker 6: out what he's beIN up to or will they just like,
Speaker 6: wait a couple of weeks then be like, oh yeah, Michael,
Speaker 6: I will.
Speaker 1: Not say because I know, all right, next week's kind
Speaker 1: of a memorable episode.
Speaker 2: Oh it is, okay, it is, yes, Well, we are
Speaker 2: approaching the end of the.
Speaker 1: Season, that's right, Yes they are. They are putting the
Speaker 1: chess pieces into place for the end of the season.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 1: Parenting wise, you know when when Sawyer thought Jack was
Speaker 1: asking him to go on the dangerous mission, right, and
Speaker 1: then he's asking kit instead. I was thinking, you know what, kids,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's good to not be the person.
Speaker 3: Stupid in a jungle.
Speaker 1: Yes, when you're not included, ask yourself, Do I really
Speaker 1: want to do that thing?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Or do I just want to do that thing because
Speaker 1: people I perceive as being cooler or better than me,
Speaker 1: or think they're better than me, are doing it?
Speaker 3: Am I just posturing?
Speaker 1: Or do I really want to do it? And if
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, be happy for your your freedom to sit around
Speaker 2: your tent and call people silly nicknames and feed the
Speaker 2: dog and.
Speaker 1: All the If all the kids are off due going
Speaker 1: off to do something stupid and you get left behind,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of a win. I remember, my daughter.
Speaker 1: I think I'm remembering this correctly. There was this tradition
Speaker 1: in the band that on Thanksgiving, the night before thanks
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving game the next day, the juniors would go
Speaker 1: tepee the seniors houses children. Tee being is a thing
Speaker 1: they used to do when when toilet paper was not
Speaker 1: a precious commodity. We just threw it at people's trees
Speaker 1: and at their houses, and it got all wet, and
Speaker 1: it was a thing of beauty.
Speaker 3: But apparently the.
Speaker 1: Year she was my daughter was a junior, they left
Speaker 1: her out. They were talking about it, and she got
Speaker 1: on Facebook so she could tell them she could do
Speaker 1: it or whatever, and they just did it without her,
Speaker 1: and they did too good a job, and they messed
Speaker 1: up the senior's house too much and they all got
Speaker 1: in trouble. So it's like, oh, okay, darn the luck
Speaker 1: I was left out of that. I wasn't there, you know, Sometimes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good thing, right. Also, parenting wise, with their
Speaker 1: situation with Henry, sometimes you have to give people an
Speaker 1: incentive to speak, especially with kids with disabilities, but really
Speaker 1: just any kid, you know, as we discussed last week
Speaker 1: with food and toileting, speaking is another thing where they
Speaker 1: have all the cards right. You can't make them talk,
Speaker 1: but you can give them reasons to want to talk.
Speaker 1: They do not seem to be giving not Henry reasons
Speaker 1: to know, and so he can just happily sit there
Speaker 1: with his evil grin that nobody can see. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's a thing to think about as a parent too.
Speaker 1: If you can create incentives, right, the care is over
Speaker 1: the stick exactly, because the stick ain't going to get
Speaker 1: you anything. You can't You can't reach down their throat
Speaker 1: to their voice box and squeeze out words. You have
Speaker 1: to make them want to say it, right, So, if
Speaker 1: it's to tell you what's happened, or to agree to
Speaker 1: something or whatever, think about how to make it appealing
Speaker 1: rather than depend on their their love and desire to
Speaker 1: please you to make things happen.
Speaker 3: They don't desire it that much exactly, And.
Speaker 2: That is like an extra layer of disappointment if.
Speaker 4: That does it is it is, but don't you love
Speaker 4: meybe not that method.
Speaker 3: It's also.
Speaker 1: Parenthetically, if you have a kid who doesn't talk, if
Speaker 1: you can and find out independently what happened and then,
Speaker 1: like you know, give a full in the blanks opportunity, right,
Speaker 1: that is helpful too. I so very much miss having
Speaker 1: para professionals when my kids are in school that I
Speaker 1: could go to and say, so, what really happened, so
Speaker 1: that I can talk to the kid about this and
Speaker 1: know what answers I should be getting and lead ask
Speaker 1: leading questions.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard when you don't have that and you
Speaker 1: just have to sit outside the locked room and go.
Speaker 2: Talk today, tell me something, did you do this thing?
Speaker 1: That you said you didn't.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no.
Speaker 1: No no no. Also, as previously mentioned, if someone is
Speaker 1: heading toward a trap, don't join them. Ye, that is
Speaker 1: something that all to a happens with kids, especially maybe teenagers.
Speaker 1: You know, I must go to this person and tell
Speaker 1: them not to do this extremely dangerous thing they're doing,
Speaker 1: even if it means doing that extremely dangerously myself. No
Speaker 1: stand off way exactly, don't hop on the too fast
Speaker 1: motorcycle to tell them that they need to stop riding
Speaker 1: their motorcycle.
Speaker 3: Well, so many lessons to learn, that's right.
Speaker 1: Also, for example, when they were trying to get not
Speaker 1: Henry to talk, did he know that there are Dharmer
Speaker 1: brand potato chips? Darmer brand potato chips. Now, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: he would have talked for some of those. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: Darmer brand goldfish. There's probably more cereal.
Speaker 3: I bet there's more.
Speaker 1: Serially, like cereal and milk. It was their milk.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean it would happen. Wouldn't it have to be
Speaker 2: like powdered milk or something.
Speaker 1: It would have to be unless the others have a
Speaker 1: dairy over on their side.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I would put nothing past the story needs a dairy.
Speaker 1: There will be a good dairy. Oh well, next week, Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll continue with season two, episode twenty of Lost.
Speaker 3: Two for the road.
Speaker 1: What do we think those two are? And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a memorable episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1: Necessarily remember every one of these, but I remember what
Speaker 1: happens in this one, and I've been wondering when that
Speaker 1: was going to come along.
Speaker 3: So hey, Michael, Michael's back.
Speaker 2: Michael's back.
Speaker 3: What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 1: And that is, by the way, an Ana Lucia flashback episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, despite your mentioning.
Speaker 1: Of Michael, Yeah, well yeah, okay, you'll see why. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll see you back here tomorrow to discuss running point.
Speaker 1: Maybe if they dropped like big shipments of generic food
Speaker 1: at the basketball games, that would be an exciting one.
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