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Speaker 1: And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bobo and Matt. Although Bobo is not here currently, he's
Speaker 2: running it behind. We are expecting him shortly, so uh,
Speaker 2: you know, hang out for a little while and the
Speaker 2: Bobes will show up. That's kind of how we run
Speaker 2: around here. But anyway, Yeah, Matt is here.
Speaker 3: Hello, Matt.
Speaker 4: How you doing.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great. How you doing? Cliff? I'm all right.
Speaker 2: I was just down down in the outbuilding, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm working on that dedicated room for the footprint cast.
Speaker 2: My cast collection has outgrown my garage, so I got
Speaker 2: to do something.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be.
Speaker 2: Done by the time you're here though, for squatch Fest
Speaker 2: this week or next week or whenever that is, but
Speaker 2: looking forward to getting it all complete.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be pretty great.
Speaker 1: If it's not done, I'm gonna call the whole thing off.
Speaker 1: You might have to is the outbuilding haunted by the
Speaker 1: ghost of Bobo's trailer.
Speaker 2: No, no, I don't think. I think I think that
Speaker 2: left with Bobo actually and the trailer. Yeah, the spirit
Speaker 2: of the trailer. I'm not sure there was much spirit
Speaker 2: left in that trailer by the time you dragged it away. Actually,
Speaker 2: does it haunt your dreams?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, I just feel like, you know, like when you
Speaker 2: clean a room and you just feel the chief flow,
Speaker 2: like like the fun shwai is just better that. That's
Speaker 2: how my whole life is a moment is in Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a way of life around here. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to getting that. I'm framing it up and
Speaker 2: you're gonna do some dry wall or something in there.
Speaker 2: We're gonna increase the storage. There's gonna be a work bench.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a place to u not not like
Speaker 2: a tool work bench that'll be like outside in the
Speaker 2: outbuilding proper, but you know, some sort of like cast
Speaker 2: work bench where I can do my cast pouring and
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff in there. You great lightings
Speaker 2: for examining the data and then the evidence and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. I've got a lot of cool
Speaker 2: plans for this really looking forward to getting going. And
Speaker 2: on top of it all, I might be able to
Speaker 2: park my car in the garage for the first time
Speaker 2: in my adult life. Yeah, because my cast have always
Speaker 2: taken up the spot, you know, which would be great
Speaker 2: because I don't know if I talked about this in
Speaker 2: the podcast, but my car leaks like crazy. It's insane
Speaker 2: and this, you know, I happen to live at the
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest where it rains all the time, so my
Speaker 2: car is just perpetually wet on the inside, which is
Speaker 2: kind of a bum out.
Speaker 3: Oh that's odd because it's not that old of a vehicle.
Speaker 2: Well, it's eleven years old. I bought it, I remember
Speaker 2: December thirtieth, twenty thirteen, so it's like eleven twelve years
Speaker 2: old now.
Speaker 1: So well, my vehicle's twenty five years old, so I
Speaker 1: guess comparatively, yours feels just so brand.
Speaker 3: New, brand spanking new.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll tell you what, maybe I won't
Speaker 2: and come get you from the airport and you to
Speaker 2: go what is this? What is this?
Speaker 3: So you know it's terrible. Is twenty five years considered vintage?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: So I can now say I drive a vintage automobile.
Speaker 2: I suppose, yeah, I suppose.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what the where the cutoff is.
Speaker 3: We'll say twenty five. It's fun. We did get an
Speaker 3: interesting email that came in.
Speaker 1: So last week's episode it dropped yesterday as we're recording today.
Speaker 1: Because I like alliterative titles, it was our topical episode,
Speaker 1: so I titled it Fossil Footprints, Savage Squirrels and Decorative Drones.
Speaker 1: Since today's a Q and A episode, you know, I
Speaker 1: go in the email make sure I've got all the
Speaker 1: most current questions, and so I just went back into
Speaker 1: the email to double check see if anything had come
Speaker 1: in last minute, and we had an email that just
Speaker 1: came in from John Rudolph, and he said, just listen
Speaker 1: to the episode. I live in Weatherford, Texas, and I've
Speaker 1: personally witnessed the squirrels around here, hunting, chasing down, killing,
Speaker 1: and eating from the head down to the body large
Speaker 1: what I call tree squirrels. It's not often seen and
Speaker 1: unknown if it's a territorial thing, are actually a diet
Speaker 1: for them. I last saw this behavior in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: a year before my youngest was born. Love the show,
Speaker 1: keep up the good work. One of my faves to
Speaker 1: listen to Bigfoot and Beyond Forever. So thank you John
Speaker 1: for sending that in. I thought, that's that's got to
Speaker 1: be a pretty wild thing to see.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's crazy, man, that's crazy. But you know,
Speaker 2: this is kind of one of the things that there's
Speaker 2: a parallel here, you know, because this guy John, he
Speaker 2: knew about this, he's seen it.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 2: And then now the scientists are finally catching up, you know,
Speaker 2: because we something that's unlooked for, much like our hairy
Speaker 2: friends in the woods. You know, the local people know
Speaker 2: about them, the native people who lived amongst them know
Speaker 2: about them. You know, people who've seen them know about them,
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, and we're just kind of
Speaker 2: waiting for the scientists to catch up in a way,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And we have to contend with the fact that a
Speaker 1: new threat has emerged, and it's yet another thing to
Speaker 1: be watchful for. Is the savage squirrels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I seeking carnivorous squirrels that could change everything. Yeah, Luckily,
Speaker 2: I think the squirrels know they're small, which nice and
Speaker 2: not like a chihuahua, because chuahuas don't know they're small.
Speaker 2: But squirrels I think know they're there, they're prey item,
Speaker 2: so they kind of stay out of our way. But
Speaker 2: you know, if we had a say, a I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what they'd call a pod, a tribe, a troop
Speaker 2: of like say, burrowing chihuahuas that were carnivorous nearby, there'd
Speaker 2: be problems.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I can attest to that firsthand. Yeah, you go
Speaker 1: to Chiuala, right, Yeah, and it was it was evil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember Bobo never liked that thing.
Speaker 3: It was fearless.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I saw Bobo be legitimately terrified
Speaker 1: to the point that it would just enter a room
Speaker 1: and stare at him. And I'd be upstairs and he
Speaker 1: would yell for me, and he'd be like, bro it,
Speaker 1: bro get in here, and I'd run, you know, thinking
Speaker 1: of those wrong.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, what's wrong, and he'd.
Speaker 2: Go, he's looking at me, he's looking at me. Well,
Speaker 2: it is a Q and A. Should we jump into
Speaker 2: it and just let Bobo pick up wherever he shows up?
Speaker 3: We should? We only got one voicemail.
Speaker 1: You know this this tends to happen every year, like
Speaker 1: right around the holidays, like Christmas in New Year, the
Speaker 1: questions slow down a bit. So we've got one voicemail
Speaker 1: and a number of written questions, and then a lot
Speaker 1: of great questions from our members for the membership section.
Speaker 1: So I figure since we have a smaller batch of
Speaker 1: questions new questions, submitters here are lucky in that we
Speaker 1: can give a little bit more time than usual to
Speaker 1: these questions. Because usually I aim for ten and doing
Speaker 1: an hour long podcast, we have to spend only so
Speaker 1: much time on so many, but with the smaller number
Speaker 1: we can spend a little bit more time. But we
Speaker 1: can start with the voicemail here that has a question
Speaker 1: for you and a comment for Bobo, And so if
Speaker 1: Bobo joins, I'll just play in the comment portion and
Speaker 1: he can respond to it. But this is a perennial
Speaker 1: question that we get often. We did address it once
Speaker 1: with help from a special guest on a members episode,
Speaker 1: but it'd be good to address on the main show here.
Speaker 5: So here goes Hi Cleff, Hi Bobo, Hi Matt. This
Speaker 5: is Christina, one of your biggest fans. I have been
Speaker 5: to the museum a couple times. I would listen to
Speaker 5: the podcast all the time, hoping to make it to
Speaker 5: the museum again this year, and I'm currently watching Finding
Speaker 5: Bigfoot for the first time. I have one question for Cliff,
Speaker 5: a serious question, because you used to be a teacher.
Speaker 5: Is it bigfoot or bigfoots? I need to know the
Speaker 5: answer to this because it drives me insane. And Bobo,
Speaker 5: I'm watching season seven right now, and your facial expressions
Speaker 5: when Bobcat was doing the scream when he was on
Speaker 5: an episode was hysterical. I have to pause because I'm
Speaker 5: laughing so hard.
Speaker 2: Classic.
Speaker 5: I also listened to the episode this week with Nick
Speaker 5: Groff and Bobo mentioned doing a collaboration with him for
Speaker 5: Paranormal and Sasquatch, wondering if that ever happened, or if
Speaker 5: there is a chance that it will ever happen. Love
Speaker 5: you guys, keep it up. You guys have literally changed
Speaker 5: my life. I'm grateful for everything you do.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just asked this in the museum a
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago, actually, and let me just say this
Speaker 2: that I'm not sure there's any official correct way of
Speaker 2: doing it. I think I believe that the correct way
Speaker 2: to say plural bigfoots would be bigfoot, just like you know,
Speaker 2: if I say there's thirty five thousand bear in Oregon. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I use the singular as the plural as well, but
Speaker 2: I might also say there's three bears down in that valley.
Speaker 2: But you can also say three bear down in that valley.
Speaker 2: So I think the official I think the correct maybe
Speaker 2: not official, because you know who's the authority here on
Speaker 2: this sort of thing, But I think that the correct
Speaker 2: way would be bigfoot. Plural of bigfoot is probably bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but I don't I purposefully don't do that because one
Speaker 2: of the worst of misunderstandings about sasquatches is that Bigfoot
Speaker 2: is one individual and he has been seen from Florida
Speaker 2: to British Columbia for hundreds of years. And of course
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. But you know, picture yourself as a civilian,
Speaker 2: you know, someone who knows nothing about sasquatches and bigfoots,
Speaker 2: and like that kind of thing is not important to you,
Speaker 2: and you've never given it two thoughts. You just think
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot as this sort of cartoonish character depicted by
Speaker 2: the media, because that's what the media feeds the public.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately about the subject. You would think that, oh, well,
Speaker 2: Bigfoot's ridiculous. All Bigfoot researchers are ridiculous because there's no
Speaker 2: way that one animal could be living for hundreds and
Speaker 2: hundreds of years all over the continent. That doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense, like a Paul Bunyan sort of thing, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So in order to help dispel
Speaker 2: that myth, that ridiculous model of what is going on
Speaker 2: with the big foot phenomenon, I purposefully say bigfoots. I
Speaker 2: don't say big feet, of course, because that would pluralize
Speaker 2: the appendage the foot, the foot itself, foot feet, So
Speaker 2: I say bigfoots, and of course sasquatches. That's much easier.
Speaker 2: I prefer sasquatches. Actually, that took big foots, so that's
Speaker 2: where that's where I'm coming from. So the proper is
Speaker 2: probably bigfoot or there are you know, this family group
Speaker 2: has three big foot in it, or this family group
Speaker 2: has three sasquatch in it. But I say sasquatches and
Speaker 2: I say big foots in order to help get rid
Speaker 2: of that ridiculous notion that there's only one creature and
Speaker 2: his name is bigfoot. So God, I hope that helped
Speaker 2: answer some of that question. That's why I prefer sasquatches.
Speaker 2: John Green always stylized the plural as sasquatches with an
Speaker 2: ees at the end of it. So I think if
Speaker 2: John Green formalized it, then that's good enough for me.
Speaker 3: There you go, and here's Bobo, Bobo. Welcome man. How
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 4: All right? How's it going with you guys? All right?
Speaker 2: All right, just kind of plugging along, man, plugging along
Speaker 2: in life, getting ready for things. Yeah, well, Bob, did
Speaker 2: you get a chance to listen to that voicemail?
Speaker 4: Yeah, blew me away. That's there's some mighty high praise
Speaker 4: in there. And then as far as the Bob Can thing,
Speaker 4: I don't remember making anything. I haven't seen that episode
Speaker 4: in shoot ten years or something, but I was probably
Speaker 4: making faces like because he just sucked at it. I
Speaker 4: guess yeah, CLIPI that we fill those behind the scenes episodes.
Speaker 4: They only showed him like one time, like after the
Speaker 4: show is a special, like at like eleven o'clock at
Speaker 4: night at a Sunday, and almost no one saw. But
Speaker 4: we had a great behind the scenes with Bobcat. I
Speaker 4: kind of got off on the wrong foot with him,
Speaker 4: but we ended up the advities that what it's all
Speaker 4: said and done. He's a great dude. He's hilarious, he's funny.
Speaker 4: He's funny, like I just I hated his whole Police
Speaker 4: Academy character, that whole like that whole thing, like I
Speaker 4: couldn't stand it. He was like my least favorite comic.
Speaker 4: And then I found out what a study was. I
Speaker 4: was like, man, this guy's he's a badass. And as
Speaker 4: far as Nick m Nick Roth thing, he ended up
Speaker 4: sending a new contract for something else and he went
Speaker 4: like he was fully busy, and then he had a
Speaker 4: new baby and the timing wasn't good. It didn't work out.
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe in the future maybe I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's they're kind of that'd be kind of it could work.
Speaker 4: It could definitely work.
Speaker 3: But it like it kind of KOOKI we live in
Speaker 3: a kookie world over here.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I think the I think like the ghost
Speaker 4: people would be like, you know, like they'd be on
Speaker 4: that squatch on the BRN everything's a squatch thing or
Speaker 4: like everything's a ghost when it's a squatch or you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, yeah, who knows how it'd go,
Speaker 4: you know, like it'd be interesting. I think it'd be fine,
Speaker 4: but I don't know how productive it would be. I think,
Speaker 4: what do you think limally kind of mixing like oil
Speaker 4: and water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I don't. I think the further away
Speaker 2: bigfoot stays and bigfooters stay from paranormal stuff, probably the better,
Speaker 2: I would think, the better for sasquatches at least. Now,
Speaker 2: if you were just brought on to go ghost hunting
Speaker 2: or something like that, that's different, or if he was
Speaker 2: brought on to go bigfooting. I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 2: because a lot of the paranormal people think the ghost
Speaker 2: folks that think that bigfoot is paranormal in some sort
Speaker 2: of way, and they'd be looking.
Speaker 4: Right right right, because they're paranormalists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's that's what they know.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of like when when I watched
Speaker 2: when I watched Hellier, you know, Greg and Dana.
Speaker 3: Knwkirk's thing, right, I was thinking of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they were out there on that porch and
Speaker 2: if you remember this episode where they were out on
Speaker 2: the porch in Kentucky somewhere looking for goblins or whatever
Speaker 2: ridiculous thing they were after out there, and they had
Speaker 2: knocks from the woods, and they heard stuff walking around
Speaker 2: sounded like on two legs. They had pebbles being thrown
Speaker 2: at them while on the porch, and what did they do?
Speaker 2: I think it was Dana, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: They put on the god helmet, that's what they called it,
Speaker 2: where they put earphones on that pumpy white noise or
Speaker 2: you know, random radio signals or whatever, and they covered
Speaker 2: their eyes. They basically shut down all of their senses
Speaker 2: so they couldn't observe the sasquatch because they wanted paranormal
Speaker 2: stuff to happen. And I was just so just like
Speaker 2: what you had, probably had a real sasquatch right there,
Speaker 2: and you covered your eyes and ears to And of
Speaker 2: course when I saw them, Greg and Dan are my friends.
Speaker 2: I really really like them a lot. You know, they're wonderful,
Speaker 2: wonderful people. So when I saw them one of these
Speaker 2: gigs that we were doing together, I heckled him and said,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? You could you might have been
Speaker 2: able to see it or photo are you had cameras there,
Speaker 2: you had night vision? But no, you covered your eyes
Speaker 2: and your ears. And they were laughing and they thought
Speaker 2: it was funny.
Speaker 4: Like the monkeys, the three monkeys see no squats, hear
Speaker 4: no squatch?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, I love them though they were just
Speaker 2: at the museum a couple of weeks or about a
Speaker 2: month ago and now I guess or maybe October. No,
Speaker 2: it was October is Halloween. Actually they before Halloween.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just kind of I was kicking around
Speaker 4: with Nick more just because like I enjoy hanging out
Speaker 4: them so much. He's such a fun dude and cool
Speaker 4: and funny. And I was like, they were talking about
Speaker 4: like these places and he goes like, and you know,
Speaker 4: like that there's definitely squatches there, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, we could. Then. I think it was Lee
Speaker 4: and Jennifer's idea that creepy people our managers because we
Speaker 4: had the same managers, and I think it was their
Speaker 4: idea more at first, and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 4: that could be cool, you know, I was all, you know,
Speaker 4: then Nick got busy. I was I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe it's not the best idea, but people would have
Speaker 4: liked it. I know that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
Speaker 6: with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: So that was the one and only voicemail. But we
Speaker 1: can move on to the written questions. And I pulled
Speaker 1: this one up because it was a lovely sentiment in it.
Speaker 1: But also we get questions of this nature very often,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we've ever outlined this specifically on
Speaker 1: the show, so it might be good for future inquiries too.
Speaker 3: Would you like to read it, Bobo?
Speaker 4: Sure? Nicole message on Nicole. The format of that says
Speaker 4: Nicole message, It says name Nicole message. She writes, Hey, guys,
Speaker 4: We've been a fan of the show for a long
Speaker 4: time and have had the roughest last two years that
Speaker 4: you could ever imagine. You guys are always a considerate,
Speaker 4: a consistent safe place for us, and we appreciate you
Speaker 4: guys so much. Is there any way to pay for
Speaker 4: a meet and greet with you conferences?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean that that's the only way you can pay.
Speaker 2: Are you going to come to the museum and meet me?
Speaker 2: I mean that's an option too. I suppose, depending on
Speaker 2: where you live, you may have to pay to do that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, you know. Right now, I'm covering weekends
Speaker 2: at the museum until where we hire a new employee,
Speaker 2: whenever that is. But even when we hire the new employee,
Speaker 2: and I don't technically have to cover hours any longer,
Speaker 2: you know. I don't have a true schedule, and my
Speaker 2: employees are covering all the shifts. I'm still at the
Speaker 2: museum probably three to six days a week for a
Speaker 2: couple hours. You know, I'm there all the time doing something,
Speaker 2: dropping by and checking this and that, or you know
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. So hit and miss at the
Speaker 2: museum is the best way to catch me, or at
Speaker 2: a conference where you know I'm going.
Speaker 4: To be Yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm looking
Speaker 4: to do a few tours this summer, like a few expeditions,
Speaker 4: so if you sign up for one of those, but
Speaker 4: that's that's a lot more expensive than a conference.
Speaker 1: And once those get lined up, we'll post that link.
Speaker 1: And I have to make that caveat because every time
Speaker 1: you mentioned something like that, but what we get emails
Speaker 1: for moments and people like where can I sign up
Speaker 1: for Bobo's expedition.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna do it with prut North Georgia. I
Speaker 4: tell you that, pru it.
Speaker 1: That is a frequently asked question, like some version of that.
Speaker 1: But Bobo is on cameo if you wanted a personalized message,
Speaker 1: So I will, for the third time put Bobo's cameo
Speaker 1: link in the show. Notes for you, dude.
Speaker 4: When you put that in last time, Pruit, I got
Speaker 4: so many of you, I was having trouble keeping up.
Speaker 3: We have tens of thousands of listeners. Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was great. I'm not complaining. I'm saying that
Speaker 4: was awesome. I got a sore throat from doing on
Speaker 4: the other day. These guys they I messed up their
Speaker 4: first one, and then they they I redid it. They
Speaker 4: liked it, but they wanted a bigfoot, like a full
Speaker 4: like ohioh. And I was like, I can't thrash my
Speaker 4: You gotta pay a lot more than twenty bucks for
Speaker 4: me to thrash my lungs, right. It hurts my throat
Speaker 4: for hurts for weeks, you know, I can't talk right.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, these that costs a lot more. You know,
Speaker 4: that's for TV stuff or something like that. I busted
Speaker 4: went out. I felt, you know, like with your throat.
Speaker 4: You guys both song it's like that you push it
Speaker 4: too far, just like you feel it just that whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to explain it, but you get
Speaker 4: that little pain come in like you just know you
Speaker 4: strange it a little too much.
Speaker 3: Starts sounding like Bobby Brady.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that in the field, Like if I
Speaker 1: if I'm out for a week and I'm howling like
Speaker 1: on a nightly basis by like you know, night five,
Speaker 1: night six, I'm like, oh, yeah, Well, here is the
Speaker 1: next written question. And it's specifically for Cliff, but I
Speaker 1: think we can all probably like weigh in on this
Speaker 1: because it's a it's a good question, and it's a pragmatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the question comes from Paolo Tourette. Cliff, when
Speaker 2: you're logging footprints at the Blueberry Bog or Easter Island,
Speaker 2: et cetera, do you log the directions of travel and
Speaker 2: create vectors to see if any potential cross crossover points
Speaker 2: crop up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, actually, yeah yeah. When I when I'm
Speaker 2: really in there documenting well and stuff, I take GPS coordinates,
Speaker 2: I take I take a direction to travel. I take
Speaker 2: five six seven photographs. I take a video if I can,
Speaker 2: I take a scan, I take a cast. I do
Speaker 2: everything I can think of basically, you know, I write
Speaker 2: down the measurements and that sort of thing. I don't
Speaker 2: always do it because if there's a trackway, I might
Speaker 2: just take the general direction of the trackway. Like for example,
Speaker 2: I did some documentation. Last June, I think it was
Speaker 2: Shane Corson and I went out together to one of
Speaker 2: our new locations, and that's not any it's not the Bog,
Speaker 2: it's not it's not Easter Island or anything. We call
Speaker 2: it the Outer Rim because it's so far away and
Speaker 2: it takes a long time to get down there. But
Speaker 2: but there's a there's some sasquatches there, you know, and
Speaker 2: we we we found quite a few tracks. I think
Speaker 2: we came back with eight tracks in one day, eight prints,
Speaker 2: eight casts, I should say casts, and one of the
Speaker 2: trackways came up out of the out of the river
Speaker 2: valley below and so I went back like a week
Speaker 2: later with with my employee Dave and his brother, and
Speaker 2: we documented that trackway and I took all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. But you know, after about twenty thirty tracks,
Speaker 2: they're all going the same way, like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 2: You know they changed slightly here and there, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do take direction to travel, and that's actually how
Speaker 2: for the museum members. They might remember a video that
Speaker 2: I released, I think it was last June, where Melissa,
Speaker 2: my wife, casts her very very first footprint ever. You know,
Speaker 2: she's seen him in the ground before a couple of
Speaker 2: them in the ground. But this is a really good one.
Speaker 2: So I brought her out. We found it, and then
Speaker 2: like a week later I brought Melissa out for a
Speaker 2: date and we went out there and she cast it.
Speaker 2: That's how we found That's how we found that one.
Speaker 2: Because the stuff at the outer rim they seem to
Speaker 2: have been coming out of one river valley going up
Speaker 2: to a bog area, and in general most of the
Speaker 2: most of the footprints were kind of tending that direction. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, when they came up out it the river valley,
Speaker 2: there was this old abandoned logging road, which is what
Speaker 2: we were walking. They walked up and down the road.
Speaker 2: They were all over that place, you know, so that
Speaker 2: it wouldn't make you know, if you took all the
Speaker 2: directions of every single one of those prints, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure it would really yield much information because of the
Speaker 2: way these things forage, near as I can figure, you know,
Speaker 2: it seems like they go to an area, then they
Speaker 2: spread out in that area, and then they keep on
Speaker 2: going the same general direction, you know, So some of
Speaker 2: the data might just be like not junk data, but
Speaker 2: kind of white noise in a way, you know. But
Speaker 2: in general, I saw the tendency, the trend of the
Speaker 2: direction of travel of this particular group, and I knew
Speaker 2: I was finding them up by the swamp, and I
Speaker 2: knew they were coming out of the river valley below.
Speaker 2: So I just kind of, you know, connected the dots
Speaker 2: and I went up and over the ridge that's around
Speaker 2: this particular swamp, you know, and that's where we found
Speaker 2: the track, the tracks actually that Melissa and I worked on.
Speaker 2: I mean, she casts the print, but we backtrack that
Speaker 2: thing and it came down off the ridge just like
Speaker 2: we expected, and we probably found another fifteen or twenty.
Speaker 3: It was nice. It was a good date.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: We're just sitting on the log, enjoying remote wilderness essentially,
Speaker 2: sitting there and like even Melissa was like she's sitting
Speaker 2: there on the log, chilling and enjoying the beautiful view.
Speaker 2: And she goes, oh, yeah, there's one right there. I
Speaker 2: can see it from here, so there's another one behind it.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you just pick these things out. It's
Speaker 2: pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing when you when you start
Speaker 2: learning about what you're looking for, that you know it
Speaker 2: stands out more, which is true.
Speaker 3: Of everything.
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely everything.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Once you start learning about something and you know what
Speaker 2: you're looking for and what there is, then you can
Speaker 2: start seeing it. But if you're unaware of it, you're
Speaker 2: not going to see it. But yeah, I absolutely do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've seen individuals even take like compass bearings, like shooting
Speaker 1: in asthmuth from like heel to toe to indicate direction.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I do, right, Yeah, like two hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty degrees, you know that kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I do.
Speaker 3: Excellent, all right, let's roll on to the next question.
Speaker 3: There it is.
Speaker 4: Jeremy led Joyce. Hey, guys, I was wondering if you
Speaker 4: have an idea of a sasquatch's home range and why
Speaker 4: they may be more active at certain times of a year.
Speaker 4: I had an incident at our hunting camp, and other
Speaker 4: people in the area have had stuff happen that was
Speaker 4: reported the BFRO and on Big Foot Mapping project. This
Speaker 4: one or group, not sure over the year, seems to
Speaker 4: be in a ten mile radius. Thanks guys. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: got that whole little study you guys out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Well there's that.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you're talking about the home range
Speaker 1: of an animal, it's entirely dependent on the environment in
Speaker 1: which that animal resides. And so the example that I
Speaker 1: often use would be black bears, because that's a pretty
Speaker 1: analogous mammal, being that they're large, generalized dominiv wares. So
Speaker 1: if you're looking at something like southern Appalachia, especially the
Speaker 1: temperate rainforest portion of it's about one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: five thousand square miles. The average home range of the
Speaker 1: average adult male black bear in that part of southern
Speaker 1: Apple Aatcha is roughly sixteen to eighteen square miles. If
Speaker 1: you take that same sized bear, you know, the average
Speaker 1: adult male black bear, and you go up somewhere like Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: Studies there showed that they have a home range more
Speaker 1: into like thirty five square miles. And that's still Appalachia,
Speaker 1: that's still eastern deciduous forest. But given the density of
Speaker 1: food resources and how they're distributed, it takes thirty five
Speaker 1: square miles of that Appalachian forest to provide the same
Speaker 1: amount of food that only sixteen to eighteen square miles
Speaker 1: of Southern Appalachia forest provides. And then you can transpose
Speaker 1: that to like the inner Mountain West, where their ranges
Speaker 1: are significantly larger because the resources are more distributed. So
Speaker 1: in places like that they might be anywhere from like
Speaker 1: seventy five to one hundred square miles. In the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 1: it could be anywhere from fifty to seventy five square miles.
Speaker 1: We're talking about essentially the same animal requiring vastly different
Speaker 1: spans of geographic space in order to sustain itself. So
Speaker 1: it would first depend on like, well, are these sasquatches
Speaker 1: in southern apple Lata or the Pacific Northwest or the
Speaker 1: Washitas or the Rockies or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: So there's probably some rough estimate that you could make.
Speaker 1: Another interesting thing about the mammalian caloric intake needs is
Speaker 1: that it doesn't scale linearly with size, so it's not
Speaker 1: a one to one relationship. Now that's true within a
Speaker 1: given species. So for example, if you had a species
Speaker 1: of monkey with a wide variety of size range, one
Speaker 1: individual weighing one hundred pounds would need less space than
Speaker 1: two individuals weighing fifty pounds to feed itself versus to
Speaker 1: feed themselves. So there's a whole lot of factors you
Speaker 1: have to take in here. So with Sasquatches, you could say, well,
Speaker 1: they're roughly three to four times the mass of a
Speaker 1: black bear. Does that mean they need roughly three to
Speaker 1: four times the home range? Probably not, because again it
Speaker 1: doesn't scale linearly, so it really just depends. I mean,
Speaker 1: the ten mile radius is a pretty large area if
Speaker 1: you're talking about square mileage. I think if you're looking
Speaker 1: at something like seventy to eighty square miles, that's only
Speaker 1: I think like a four point five or four point
Speaker 1: six mile radius from a center point. So it really
Speaker 1: just depends, and I don't think any of us know.
Speaker 1: All we could say is that they're probably pretty large.
Speaker 1: I do think seventy to eighty square miles would be
Speaker 1: on the small end, and that would be in places
Speaker 1: like southern Appalachia or the Washutaw's extremely rich environments. You
Speaker 1: could call that a liberal estimate, And the reason I
Speaker 1: would say it's liberal rather than conservative is because the
Speaker 1: smaller the home range, the more ranges can fit in
Speaker 1: a given area, so the larger the population could be.
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty liberal gas because you could fit
Speaker 1: a lot of Sasquatches into southern Apalachia if each individual
Speaker 1: of a given age and sex and size only needs
Speaker 1: seventy to eighty square miles, but who knows, because that
Speaker 1: will also differ radically between the sexes. Going back to
Speaker 1: black bears in Appalachia, the males need sixteen to eighteen
Speaker 1: square miles, the females need four to six square miles.
Speaker 1: Siberian tigers, the males usually cover somewhere around fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: square kilometers and the females cover about four hundred square kilometers.
Speaker 3: So there's that disparity too. So that's a.
Speaker 1: Long winded way of saying nobody knows, but it's it's
Speaker 1: probably pretty large. And a ten mile radius is a
Speaker 1: pretty large area. So but if you're in a place
Speaker 1: that you've had activity and others have to, I'd say
Speaker 1: you're in the right spot, and that's all that matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And from the place where you are now, I
Speaker 2: mean wherever that is, you've got to start casting footprints
Speaker 2: and finding the footprints and trying to figure out which
Speaker 2: animals are there and which animals are consistently there. Because again,
Speaker 2: our areas, you know, like I've got three or four
Speaker 2: areas that I'm working, and I don't think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of overlap in the sasquatches in there, you know,
Speaker 2: which is interesting to me because I'm trying to nail
Speaker 2: down how big their range is and with their social structure.
Speaker 2: That's those are the questions that I find interesting. So
Speaker 2: that's what I'm working on. And you got to You've
Speaker 2: got to look for the footprints. You got to cast
Speaker 2: them because you're going to see patterns in them and
Speaker 2: you can start piecing together. Are these the same individuals?
Speaker 2: Is this a family group? That kind of thing. It's
Speaker 2: not easy to do. It takes a lot of time
Speaker 2: and a lot of dedication and a lot of consistency.
Speaker 2: I go. I mean I say it all the time.
Speaker 2: I go every single week. You know, this week I
Speaker 2: don't even have time to go because I'm building that
Speaker 2: thing in the barn I was talking about earlier in
Speaker 2: this episode. So on Thursday when I when I go,
Speaker 2: I have to wake up a couple hours before daylight
Speaker 2: to get out there because I you know, my buddy
Speaker 2: who's helping me build this thing out out in the
Speaker 2: barn is going to be over atten noon. So I
Speaker 2: got to get out there and get back by noon,
Speaker 2: so that the consistency has to be there. You know,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, if you really want to find tracks,
Speaker 2: you got it. You got to get out there. And
Speaker 2: if you want to learn about their territory range, you
Speaker 2: have to look at the footprints, because how do you
Speaker 2: know which ones are there? Citing reports don't tell you
Speaker 2: very much. They tell you that the animals are present,
Speaker 2: but you got to get footprints, because we can't just
Speaker 2: go ahead and look at a sasquatch and say, oh,
Speaker 2: that's the same one I saw last week. But you
Speaker 2: can do that with footprints. You can do that with
Speaker 2: footprints once you start getting familiar with them. And maybe
Speaker 2: it's not one hundred percent, you know, but then I
Speaker 2: talk about it all the time. In our spot Easter Island,
Speaker 2: we very often find, very often find a twelve inch
Speaker 2: which I now I know is eleven and a half
Speaker 2: because I got a couple of cli prints, but a
Speaker 2: twelve inch individual and a fourteen inch individual, and we
Speaker 2: almost and by the way, the fourteen is also a
Speaker 2: thirteen and a half in reality, because again we got
Speaker 2: a clearer print now. But we're usually sixty seventy percent
Speaker 2: of the time find those two animals associated with each other,
Speaker 2: Like maybe we'll find the twelve inch and then a
Speaker 2: couple hundred yards down the same road, we'll find the
Speaker 2: fourteen like that kind of stuff, sometimes even right together.
Speaker 2: Over at the outer rim that I was mentioning earlier,
Speaker 2: we have another fourteen, and we have an eight eight
Speaker 2: or nine inch footprint somewhere in there, so it's almost
Speaker 2: certainly a different animal. And of course the big males
Speaker 2: almost nothing. We almost never find their footprints, which is
Speaker 2: really interesting. I have found what I considered to be
Speaker 2: the male at East t Island. I found it this
Speaker 2: past fall. It's about fifteen fifteen and a half inches.
Speaker 2: Could there be more than one fourteen inch? Absolutely there
Speaker 2: absolutely could, But for now there's enough data to kind
Speaker 2: of hobble together a rough hypothesis that is the same
Speaker 2: female and the same juvenile wandering around together, and until
Speaker 2: there's a reason to think otherwise. You know, I think
Speaker 2: that's a reasonable gas, which is all I'm trying to
Speaker 2: do at this point. But now that you have an
Speaker 2: area of interest, keep going back, and my God, start
Speaker 2: looking for footprints.
Speaker 3: It's the most important.
Speaker 2: Thing you can do to learn about the species. The
Speaker 2: single most important thing is to look for footprints.
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 6: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: This question comes from Gear White, and Gary asks high Cliff,
Speaker 2: how would I know if I hear a scream that
Speaker 2: isn't you, Bobo or Moneymaker.
Speaker 4: Associated smells yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly, If it smells terrible, then it's probably one of us.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: This brings up a good point actually, something to talk
Speaker 2: about here about this because it sounds like he's kind
Speaker 2: of jesting, you know, which is fine. I don't mind
Speaker 2: it a bit because obviously it probably wouldn't be any
Speaker 2: of us, but sasquatches sound like people, you know. Just
Speaker 2: recently on the on the membership of the museum, I
Speaker 2: posted a video. It's kind of interesting. I shared it
Speaker 2: with Matt prut Bobo. I don't know if I sent
Speaker 2: it to you or not. This guy that in Tennessee
Speaker 2: that goes around or is Kentucky and he goes and
Speaker 2: he looks around for mind shafts and films and he's
Speaker 2: just like this YouTube guy. That's what he likes to do.
Speaker 2: And he's little empire on it, you know, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of cool. It's kind of the same sort of
Speaker 2: thing I would love to do in the woods if
Speaker 2: I was wandering around. But he's out there alone doing
Speaker 2: the thing, or presumably he's out there alone. I mean,
Speaker 2: his other videos seem to be alone. So he's out
Speaker 2: there poking around and and he's looking inside this this
Speaker 2: barred up mind shaft. You know, Oh, this would be
Speaker 2: kind of cool and blah blah blah. And behind them
Speaker 2: is a noise and it's it's either a sasquatch or
Speaker 2: a human. There's it sounds like a person, like ah,
Speaker 2: something like that. And you know, I put it out
Speaker 2: for the members of the NABC there and then they
Speaker 2: listen to it and and they're chiming in. You know,
Speaker 2: that's a person, that's not a person. That's definitely a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: That's definitely a person, and that's a bird. And you know,
Speaker 2: everybody's opinion that everybody enjoys, you know, kind of chiming
Speaker 2: in like that. It's astonishing, you know, because I think
Speaker 2: it's fair to say that all of us here, at
Speaker 2: least on on on the podcast here, all of us
Speaker 2: have heard sasquatches vocalized kind of a lot. I mean,
Speaker 2: kind of I'd be hard to put a number on it,
Speaker 2: but you know, even at like, you know, I heard
Speaker 2: I've heard them many many times outside of finding Bigfoot
Speaker 2: and finding Bigfoot, that was basically the whole show is
Speaker 2: trying to hear them vocalize, and we were successful, you know,
Speaker 2: like half the time maybe or something like that.
Speaker 4: The microphones weren't so successful, but are pretty Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we've heard them kind of a lot, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's astonishing how similar they can sound to human beings.
Speaker 2: I've heard them yell hey, I've heard them all. Oh,
Speaker 2: they sound like people, and it makes sense because they're
Speaker 2: built like people, you know, they they would probably have
Speaker 2: a very similar you know, vocal apparatus. Yeah, they because
Speaker 2: and I think that you know, with Bobo, Matt and
Speaker 2: I are doing all that kind of stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: howling and screaming and doing our thing out there, it
Speaker 2: gives the impression that that's the only sounds they make.
Speaker 2: Now they don't. They can sound a lot like indistinguishable
Speaker 2: from people, and that's just outside of their mimicry that
Speaker 2: I'm confident that they do, where they can imitate people's
Speaker 2: voices or chainsaws or car door slamming and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: They sound so much like people. It's just astonishing sometimes.
Speaker 2: So although if you did hear Bobo or me or
Speaker 2: money Maker in the woods and you're say in, I
Speaker 2: don't know Texas or you know Kentucky, that's not us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think it's important to categorize the sounds
Speaker 1: that uniquely identify them as sasquatches, sounds that just humans
Speaker 1: don't or very often just can't produce. Because anything that
Speaker 1: is human, like you will all unless you see the
Speaker 1: thing that produced that, you will always be left, you know,
Speaker 1: agonizing on whether or not that was a person or
Speaker 1: a sasquatch, you know, And it's it's a tricky thing.
Speaker 3: I've had a number.
Speaker 1: Of those experiences where to this day, and some of
Speaker 1: them were, you know, eighteen years ago, where I'm like, god,
Speaker 1: what was that?
Speaker 3: You know? So it is a frustrating thing.
Speaker 2: All right, Well should we hop to the next question then?
Speaker 3: I think, so there we go.
Speaker 4: From Connie Barkin, I'd really love to get your take
Speaker 4: on the link between code's and bigfoot I've stiled upon
Speaker 4: some festing theory suggesting that bigfoots may actually utilize coadies
Speaker 4: for hunting, almost as if they've trained them to be
Speaker 4: their hunting partners. As always keep it squatchy. Yeah, we've
Speaker 4: we've kicked this around. I've always thought like maybe they
Speaker 4: could grab it, you know, kyot puppy and you know,
Speaker 4: have it bond to them and you know, kind of cooperate.
Speaker 4: But then I talk to other people say no, they
Speaker 4: absolutely will kill and eat coyotes, and other people say,
Speaker 4: well they Some people say that the kyotes are scavenging
Speaker 4: from the big pitchers. Other people think that the bigfoots
Speaker 4: are going and stealing deer kills from the coyotes. So
Speaker 4: there's there's not one train of thought on that, and
Speaker 4: like no one, no one knows for sure. But the
Speaker 4: guy Fred and Alaska with the Subarctic Alaska Sasquatch, he's
Speaker 4: got like ten or twelve reports people saying they've seen
Speaker 4: wolves and bigfoots like cooperatively hunting like caribou and moose
Speaker 4: and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I always wondered if sasquatch has preyed upon coyotes. And
Speaker 1: what really started that train of thought for me was,
Speaker 1: you know, there there always seemed to be some sort
Speaker 1: of like symbiosis that people had floated or some sort
Speaker 1: of like connection beyond just being like you know, sympatrick
Speaker 1: in these environments, you know, occurring in the same environments
Speaker 1: at the same time. But when we had Ken Walker on,
Speaker 1: he told the story about the two brothers that the
Speaker 1: trappers that had that massive trapping lease on Crown Land
Speaker 1: in Canada. They talked about certain traps being raided. You know,
Speaker 1: they were trying to catch fur bearing animals, not only
Speaker 1: because their passion was trapping, but you know certain animals
Speaker 1: or they have a certain monetary value, and these traps
Speaker 1: were getting raided consistently, and so they would place out
Speaker 1: coyote carcasses, according to Ken to sort of be here's
Speaker 1: something else that you can come raid, you know, rather
Speaker 1: than breaking our traps and taking these more I guess
Speaker 1: precious animals, here's an alternative. And they said that once
Speaker 1: that started, the coyotes would always be taken. They'd find
Speaker 1: them partially consumed, as if that was a sought after
Speaker 1: food resource. And if you've ever been out in the field,
Speaker 1: I know you guys have, but to the listeners, if
Speaker 1: you've ever been out in the field and done in Ohio,
Speaker 1: how if there's coyotes within earshot, they'll respond in seconds.
Speaker 1: And so if I was a coyote hunter, I would
Speaker 1: just go out and how like a sasquatch figure out
Speaker 1: where the coyotes are and then go in that direction,
Speaker 1: and so so they wouldn't be hard to find. They
Speaker 1: might make for an easy meal. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of them, so they're plentiful. They're ubiquitous across all
Speaker 1: of North America pretty much, and they're very, very numerous,
Speaker 1: and so I wonder if that's part of it. It's
Speaker 1: at least worth thinking about that they prey on those things.
Speaker 2: Oh, anything's on the menu. Man, If they're eating skunks
Speaker 2: and possums, like coyotes are probably a delicacy. Everybody's so
Speaker 2: hyper focused on deer as the prey item for sasquatch,
Speaker 2: And yeah, sure, I think that might be the choice
Speaker 2: of a sasquatch if they had to choose. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I think anything's on the menu.
Speaker 2: And look at the way they're built, and look at
Speaker 2: how good they are at catching things and how fast
Speaker 2: they can move. But everything I was aloso to look
Speaker 2: how large they are, they would have to utilize any
Speaker 2: sort of meat. Essentially, I think everything from caterpillars and
Speaker 2: insects to you know, black bear. If they can get it,
Speaker 2: and there's a small handful of reports that strongly suggests
Speaker 2: they hunt black bear, So why not coyotes, you know,
Speaker 2: And of course I'm a big fan of the idea
Speaker 2: that sasquatches are also power scavenging, which is a known
Speaker 2: hominin strategy. Hominins did that, and of course nowadays other
Speaker 2: animals do it too, you know, lions do it, and
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff with power scavenging is waiting
Speaker 2: for other animals to do the hard work of killing
Speaker 2: it and bringing it down, and then you just kind
Speaker 2: of waltz in and push the little guys away and
Speaker 2: take what you want and leave the rest of the
Speaker 2: kill to the people who actually earned it, the animals
Speaker 2: that actually earned it. That's power scavenging. So I think
Speaker 2: sasquatches would definitely do that because being as smart as
Speaker 2: they are, they will not expend more calories than necessary
Speaker 2: in order to obtain their own calories.
Speaker 1: So it's also referred to as klepto parasitism ooh, because
Speaker 1: they're stealing, you know, like a kleptomaniac. They're stealing the
Speaker 1: kills of other animals. And there's a number of animals
Speaker 1: that do practice a kleptoparas. Oh yeah, I think coyotes.
Speaker 1: You know, they are omnivorous and they will bring down prey.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're in the order of Carnivora, but that's
Speaker 1: a dentition based order, same reason that pandas are in
Speaker 1: the order of Carnivora, even though they're bamboo specialists. But
Speaker 1: because of the dentition, they're in that order. But I
Speaker 1: don't know how often coyotes are making significant kills. I'm
Speaker 1: sure we could look that up, but it's not like
Speaker 1: they're making deer kills frequently enough that a sasquatch could
Speaker 1: rely solely on that versus, you know, if it wants food,
Speaker 1: it's probably easier to get a coyote than.
Speaker 3: To wait for them to get the food for them. Okay.
Speaker 2: And then this question here, which is the last of
Speaker 2: our written questions, by the way, comes from Howard Williams,
Speaker 2: and Howard asks, Hi, guys, love your show. This is
Speaker 2: a question about the societal value of mysterious creatures. Why
Speaker 2: does this need for mystery persist in human cultures? Also,
Speaker 2: what are the implications the mystery is solved. I think
Speaker 2: we probably all agree it would not be good for Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: But would it be good for us to lose the mystery?
Speaker 2: My gut says that the loss would surprise us and
Speaker 2: the world would be a little more intolerable. Please keep
Speaker 2: up the good work and always keep it squatchy.
Speaker 1: I think that once you solve the mystery of whether
Speaker 1: or not sasquatches exist, there's an indefinite number of new
Speaker 1: mysteries about sasquatches that arise, and those answers are not
Speaker 1: going to come much faster, and they're not going to
Speaker 1: come much easier than they already have. And so some
Speaker 1: of these questions that will arise after recognition will still
Speaker 1: take decades to answer and to answer fully to the
Speaker 1: satisfaction of scientists and academics and to society for that matter.
Speaker 1: And so this, I think this is something we've all
Speaker 1: encountered many many times as like, oh, what's the thing solved?
Speaker 1: You won't have anything to do, like yeah, right, you know,
Speaker 1: you could just imagine a handful of questions, like how
Speaker 1: large is their home range? Like we just found out, okay,
Speaker 1: well you get a rough estimate, Well, how large is
Speaker 1: their home range in southern apple Achoe? What about central
Speaker 1: Apple Acho? What about the rockies, you know, all the
Speaker 1: places I just mentioned in response to the previous question,
Speaker 1: how do they form social units? What's their gestation period,
Speaker 1: what's their developmental period? When do they separate from their parents?
Speaker 1: These things, they're not going to come easily. We won't
Speaker 1: have all those answers. I bet we won't even have
Speaker 1: all those answers in the first three decades of them
Speaker 1: being discovered. I mean, we just covered in the last episode,
Speaker 1: you know, a mysterious quote unquote mysterious new behavior just
Speaker 1: now being documented in squirrels, you know, the North American squirrel,
Speaker 1: the most common thing you could encounter out in the wild,
Speaker 1: and we're still making new discoveries about them. And so
Speaker 1: imagine the treasure trove, the bottomless well of information that
Speaker 1: these things could give us. It's really it's unfathomable. We'll
Speaker 1: never lose that.
Speaker 2: And there's no shortage of mysteries outside the Bigfoot thing either,
Speaker 2: you know, whether you're looking at like non terrestrial life
Speaker 2: or you know, extraterrestrial life or inter dimensional things, or
Speaker 2: just like the world abounds with mystery, you know, and
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot is Bigfoot thing is just one of them,
Speaker 2: just one of many, many, many, things you know, and
Speaker 2: of course a lot of the stuff that you know
Speaker 2: that people are chasing around the whole in search of
Speaker 2: style stuff. There's ridiculous nonsense for the most part, but
Speaker 2: that's that's just a lot of fun, you know, the
Speaker 2: ancient alien kind of nonsense that's on TV and everything
Speaker 2: that's us fun to think about, but not a whole
Speaker 2: lot of people really really take it seriously. But they're
Speaker 2: and outside of those mysteries, it's great that there's so
Speaker 2: many cool things like the I was just reading this
Speaker 2: past week about how some real progress has been made
Speaker 2: uniting quantum physics and Einsteinian you know, relativistic physics. Like
Speaker 2: that's great, that's awesome. That's been they've been chasing that
Speaker 2: for you know, eighty years, one hundred years or something
Speaker 2: like that. You know, not a physicists, I just like
Speaker 2: the subject. So there's so much real mystery grounded in
Speaker 2: science that there's always going to be something to push
Speaker 2: forward into. I think we lose sight of this. We
Speaker 2: as a culture, we as a species, lose.
Speaker 3: Sight of this.
Speaker 2: We are in our infancy of understanding the world at
Speaker 2: this point. Remember germs, for example, germs were kind of
Speaker 2: discovered in the late eighteen hundreds. That's like one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty one hundred fifty years ago. We didn't know
Speaker 2: about germs. You know, no one in seventeen hundred had
Speaker 2: heard dinosaurs, for example. You know, we don't know much,
Speaker 2: but we think we're all fancy because everybody's got a
Speaker 2: cell phone in their pocket and we think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: And you know, science is really really good at inventing
Speaker 2: bubbles and toys, so we think we're all that. But
Speaker 2: we have such limited understanding of the way things work
Speaker 2: and how things piece together. We almost know nothing. But
Speaker 2: we've come so far since like the steam engine, you know,
Speaker 2: or whatever, whatever the wheel, you know, whatever tool you
Speaker 2: want to put out in the printing press, whatever the
Speaker 2: big milestones are. You know, we've come so far from
Speaker 2: those in our own very limited scope of time, you know,
Speaker 2: because we live like seventy eighty years. We're done and
Speaker 2: we check out and we leave and whatever, and that's
Speaker 2: a blink of an eye. But we think we've come
Speaker 2: so far because as a couple of generations to go,
Speaker 2: we practically know nothing compared to where we're gonna be
Speaker 2: an eight hundred years or something like that if if
Speaker 2: our species even survives that long, we're still in our
Speaker 2: infancy of understanding the universe. There is no shortage of
Speaker 2: wonder and beauty in the universe.
Speaker 1: We don't even understand ourselves. There's nothing more mysterious than
Speaker 1: the totality of the mind, the psyche, and especially the
Speaker 1: nature of consciousness. We are ourselves a nearly unsolvable mystery.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, we'll always be women in mystery, and
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to solve the mystery that is our
Speaker 1: good man. Bobo definitely a mysterious character too.
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 6: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he did specifically ask about the societal
Speaker 2: value of mysterious creatures, though.
Speaker 4: I think it's the way to teach lessons, right, Like
Speaker 4: myths and lore like is a good way to impart
Speaker 4: things that children teach them lessons, you know, about safety
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so complicated that you know, there are
Speaker 1: elements of myth that are moral lessons, you know, and
Speaker 1: they might be even lesser than moral lessons. They might
Speaker 1: just be to your point, like encoded information that's necessary
Speaker 1: to know about the environment that you live in and
Speaker 1: the living inhabitants of that environment, and how to respond
Speaker 1: to them, and how to interact with them or how
Speaker 1: to avoid them. In many cases, in other elements, mythological
Speaker 1: characters are characterized or personified descriptions phenomenological descriptions of nature itself,
Speaker 1: whether that's natural events. Think about all the personifications of
Speaker 1: thunder and lightning as a phenomena, for example, being given
Speaker 1: some agency or being the product of some conscious agent
Speaker 1: that's exerting its will. I mean, there's no simple explanation
Speaker 1: for what myth is and where it comes from, because
Speaker 1: it applies to such a range of things. But because
Speaker 1: you know, we're persons, you know, we tend to see
Speaker 1: other phenomena as personified, and so we we represent those
Speaker 1: phenomena as characters. And those characters have their own philosophies,
Speaker 1: they have their own views, they have their own wills,
Speaker 1: their own perceptions, et cetera. You know, if you think
Speaker 1: about the nature of the storm, for example, and well,
Speaker 1: how do you character what does the storm want? Well,
Speaker 1: the objective reality would tell you that, like, the storm
Speaker 1: has no desire and no moral aim. But in order
Speaker 1: to describe the experience of the storm. In a story,
Speaker 1: you personify it, so those things happen. There's also mythological
Speaker 1: characters that are rooted in reality that might have been
Speaker 1: based on living people, that as time marches on, those
Speaker 1: people get mythologized and represented as mythological characters even though
Speaker 1: they had a rooting in reality. You know, there's characters
Speaker 1: from the twentieth century that are mythologized that have a
Speaker 1: whole host of like apocryphal stories about them that people
Speaker 1: believe that are demonstrably not true. But certain living individuals,
Speaker 1: you know, are great receptacles for myths, so we're apt
Speaker 1: to believe such things about them, that they had certain capabilities,
Speaker 1: or that they accomplished certain things, or whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be. And so the societal value is that it
Speaker 1: provides information across a host of different domains that because
Speaker 1: it's metaphorical in nature, it's more easily accessible because not
Speaker 1: only is it metaphorical, but it's delivered in the form
Speaker 1: of a story, a narrative, and you know narratives, we're
Speaker 1: we're storytelling creatures. There's a great book by a guy
Speaker 1: named Jonathan Gottschalk called The Storytelling Animal.
Speaker 3: That's absolute must read.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite books I've read in the
Speaker 1: last five years, I would say, And people will remember
Speaker 1: information with an higher degree of accuracy if it's delivered
Speaker 1: to them in the form of a story then merely
Speaker 1: propositions or like a bullet point list of facts. And
Speaker 1: you have to think too. The other value of myths
Speaker 1: and the creatures, you know, the personified characters within them,
Speaker 1: is that if you get intimately familiar with the canon
Speaker 1: of myths, that teach that whole host of lessons. Like
Speaker 1: you don't have enough time in one lifespan to learn
Speaker 1: all these things and figure them out for yourself. You'll
Speaker 1: die in the process because you'll make too many errors.
Speaker 1: But if you develop an intimate familiarity with the cannon
Speaker 1: of myths and the characters within them, then you basically
Speaker 1: have a guide book, you know, a cultural guidebook for
Speaker 1: how to deal with certain situations. Knowing these myths and
Speaker 1: understanding those character and their motivations and their own sort
Speaker 1: of like philosophies, provides all that. So the value is
Speaker 1: limitless when we're talking about that mysterious creatures happen to
Speaker 1: be one manifestation, whether or not you know, even if
Speaker 1: such creatures exist in the environment, they get borrowed and
Speaker 1: used to be a receptacle for the mythological motif. In
Speaker 1: the same way that the bear has lessons to tell,
Speaker 1: or the raven, or the coyote or the tiger. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that the animal is as described by the myth,
Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean that because it's a myth, that
Speaker 1: the animal doesn't exist. It's just that you need receptacles
Speaker 1: to hang these motifs or tropes on, and sasquatches and
Speaker 1: other mysterious creatures make great receptacles for that, among other things.
Speaker 4: What the hell did you just say?
Speaker 3: I'm ranting again.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Now, Well, when we started talking about things that
Speaker 2: we're super stoked about, we keep on going.
Speaker 3: Man, that's we love it.
Speaker 1: I think the world would get a lot more exciting
Speaker 1: if sasquatches were definitely proven to exist, don't you.
Speaker 4: I think so for sure? Yes, because the missy is
Speaker 4: not solved and the missy is just wide open.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, there's not gonna be a time where my
Speaker 2: curiosity is satisfied about the sasquat.
Speaker 4: Yeah. We still watch documentaries on Great Whites. I mean
Speaker 4: they're finding out new stuff. Yeah, but I mean, it
Speaker 4: still has a lot of big fishes swimming around. You know,
Speaker 4: we watched I'll watch hours of that stuff every summer
Speaker 4: when Sharky comes out.
Speaker 2: Now, it seems to me that if bigfoots were discovered today,
Speaker 2: that's when the fun starts, you know that that's where
Speaker 2: we actually start making some real progress.
Speaker 4: I guess that wraps it up for this week and
Speaker 4: anything an it's oh, you know, I got something I
Speaker 4: need to add my buddies on the Chamber of Commerce
Speaker 4: up in Willacirk, California, where the big Foot Museum is
Speaker 4: and you know, the original hotspot of Bigfoot phenomena, there's
Speaker 4: the famous Jim McClaren statue that most of you are
Speaker 4: familiar with, the Bigfoot statue. Cardot's real blockie. So one
Speaker 4: that looks it's the big silt I saw for my
Speaker 4: first say, looked a lot like that. It was that
Speaker 4: it's rotting out again. They replaced the feet a few
Speaker 4: years ago, but the whole thing has got to be replaced.
Speaker 4: They're looking for someone a they're looking for someone that
Speaker 4: might donate a log that's big enough to this, you know,
Speaker 4: section of a log to carve a new Bigfoot and
Speaker 4: they're also seeing it. There's anyone that's willing to carve it,
Speaker 4: and they got real limited budget. They're looking for donations.
Speaker 4: People can write it off whatever. But yeah, if they're
Speaker 4: interested in either donating the piece of wood or carving it,
Speaker 4: you can contact Bigfoot Cannabis in Willow Creek, California.
Speaker 3: That's why I findally can put in the show notes too.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, Yeah, my buddy Callin owns Bigfoot Cannabis up there.
Speaker 4: I was just consultant for designing the bigfoot gummies he
Speaker 4: has for the bigfoot shape gums because he had like
Speaker 4: a human foot. I was like, no, dude, you got
Speaker 4: to do it like that. And so he's it's more
Speaker 4: of a classic big foot, you know, full heel, more
Speaker 4: straight or toes across.
Speaker 3: It's the most authentic bigfoot gummy in the cannabis market
Speaker 3: for foot.
Speaker 4: Yes, but morphology.
Speaker 3: Good job, Bobo, good job.
Speaker 4: Thank you doing what I can do what I can.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say yet another epic contribution of Bobo
Speaker 1: to the realm of sasquatchery.
Speaker 2: Talk about a mythological man who's still alive.
Speaker 3: There he is, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's I kind of was hinting at that, is that
Speaker 1: there are people who are so large in life that
Speaker 1: like myths just fit them perfectly, and they get mythologized
Speaker 1: and people just believe it, you know, because like, why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you.
Speaker 3: Of course he's capable of that. Of course he's Bobo
Speaker 3: is definitely one of those people.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I know anyone else in real
Speaker 1: life who is that way, but Bobo's definitely the one.
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about, but.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's part of your charm.
Speaker 3: Man. You have no idea of the magic that you spind.
Speaker 4: You're right, I don't see I don't see magic. I
Speaker 4: just see chaos and idiocy.
Speaker 2: Now, your divine, your your endless line of divine accident
Speaker 2: leads you, leads you in the right direction.
Speaker 4: There you go. Okay, folks, Well, that's it for another
Speaker 4: week of Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff, Bobo and Matt,
Speaker 4: and we appreciate you tuning in. We're gonna now join
Speaker 4: our Patreon family for another episode that will come out
Speaker 4: on Thursday. So until next week, y'all, keep it Squatchy.
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