WEBVTT 1 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:45.439 Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of Tonk Vacation. 2 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:49.240 This is episode thirty three. This is a podcast dedicated 3 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:52.719 to finding the joy in unfettered creativity, and it's also 4 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.240 a podcast dedicated to bringing awareness in context to movies 5 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.479 of any budget, from anywhere and during any time. And 6 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.759 this is actually that mission statement truly couldn't apply more 7 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.599 to this episode in particular. First off, I just want 8 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:10.879 to say welcome back, Chris, thank you, and we are 9 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:14.959 actually jumping into another episode that we recorded. This is 10 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:17.159 kind of just like an intro for that. We did 11 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.959 an episode with Celeste where they had us on for 12 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:24.799 their live stream and we talked about all most of 13 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:29.799 the October a little bit of a September because there's 14 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:31.760 a bit of a cheat there with the delay on 15 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:35.640 the Sato release. But we talk about the Fireworks, Woman, 16 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:40.079 Hot Honey, a couple other Billlustic titles, the Violation of Claudia, 17 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:45.280 and a couple partner releases, and it's awesome. We really 18 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:48.480 got to like it went so well. We're doing this 19 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:53.480 again in the new year, which recording this. Yeah, we're 20 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:55.159 going to talk about the November releases because it was 21 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:58.239 such an incredible slate and quite a big slate with 22 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:02.680 partner titles, So really really stoked to present this episode 23 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.439 to everyone, and without further ado, let's just jump right 24 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:06.879 into it. 25 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:11.639 Okay. So, if you've been paying attention to my YouTube 26 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:15.039 channel the past week or so, you'll have seen that 27 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:20.520 I've been uploading in batches the segment that I do 28 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.479 for Punk Vacation called fifteen Minutes with You, which is 29 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:28.080 where I review the month's slate of releases over on 30 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:31.479 the Miliu scene site. So all the Vininger Syndrome, Hardcourt titles, 31 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.400 all the sub labels, and all the partner labels. Hi, Tony, 32 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:40.479 thank you for being here. It's been nice going through 33 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.400 those old segments and re cutting them and sort of 34 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:48.280 recontextualizing them for YouTube. It was way more of a 35 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:50.159 project and way more of a pain than I thought 36 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:52.840 it would be because YouTube is kind of a platform 37 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.879 built for babies, and I had to sort of attempt 38 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:00.360 to water down the content as much as possible on 39 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.199 the front end so that I don't get in trouble 40 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.319 by the time people actually start listening to the segment. 41 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.039 But it's uh, yeah, it's been nice to see how 42 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.319 far the segment has gone. How far it's come. Uh, 43 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:19.159 and I have with me the co hosts of Punk 44 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:24.039 Vacation waiting in the wings, So do me a favor, y'all, 45 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:28.680 and let me know if the sound is good, because 46 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:31.879 the last time I did this, I looked and my 47 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:34.560 guests sound was like way too low. So I've done 48 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:38.879 my best to adjust that intuitively. But if you can't 49 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.840 hear them, let me know. But uh, okay, we're gonna 50 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:50.280 go ahead and bring in Chris of Punk Vacation nonofficial 51 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:54.479 Vineger stations and podcast, which introduces. 52 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:57.400 Hello, Hello, everybody. 53 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:03.039 Well, Chris has here. I probably know a lot of y'all, 54 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:06.159 but if I don't know you, thank you for supporting Celeste. 55 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.560 She's awesome and this has been a long time in 56 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:13.919 the making, and I agree October and remember well October 57 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.720 anyways was just a crazy month for the melos in side, 58 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:19.639 so it will be fun to dig through some of 59 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:20.240 this to stay with you. 60 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:24.240 Yeah, I'm glad Chris said something because we've both just 61 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:27.199 said hello, and I realized there were no names attached 62 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.480 to that, so but I think we look like our voices, 63 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.199 so I think people would have figured it out. But yeah, hey, 64 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:36.439 thanks for being here. Everybody, and thanks for having us. 65 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.199 I'm like really stoked. I remember when this first when 66 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:41.759 we first when you first kind of pitched this to us, 67 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:43.879 I also was like I kind of just asked. I 68 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:45.399 think I was like, hey, can I join you to 69 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.759 talk about the October titles because they I mean, the 70 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:53.360 fact that Sato got kind of inducted into that made 71 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:54.240 it even more exciting. 72 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.600 I'll just say, Celeste, this is a We've talked about 73 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.560 this on the Punk Vacation, but coming on here, I'll 74 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:03.759 say thank you again for letting me do Punk Vacation 75 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:08.519 back in the day. And I've always loved your Vinegar 76 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.279 Syndrome content, so I appreciated you being cool with me 77 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.639 taking on this little initiative and then eventually even joining me. 78 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.360 I think Eli might not be here if it wasn't 79 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.800 for you, because it kind of teased the idea of 80 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:26.079 the fact that I shouldn't do it solo and to 81 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:30.480 cover the adult content, and both things are correct, And yeah, 82 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.240 I've been loving your segments and contribution, and then obviously 83 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:36.480 really desperately needed a co host, So Eli, I'm really 84 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:37.439 happy you joined as well. 85 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.639 Hey, I'm I told you as soon as Chris asked, 86 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.720 I was like, yeah, I'm super stoked, and it's such 87 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:48.120 a great I love being able to jump on both segments, 88 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:54.639 like to pervout with Celeste and also chat genre. It's 89 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.360 like kind of my ideal sweet spot. So yeah, I'm 90 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.000 really stoked, and I'm also so really stoked that we're 91 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.959 like so close to it's funny we're not even covering 92 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:09.199 the November releases, which are insane. But also I'm super 93 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:13.040 stoked for subscriber Week. I don't know how many people 94 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:16.160 are actually stoked to see what's in store, but for me, 95 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:20.480 it's not just like I'm mostly stoked because you know, 96 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:23.600 obviously they're going to go big that week, but excited 97 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:24.879 to see how big they go on the mal you 98 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:25.480 see side. 99 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.279 It's interesting that you say big, because that's one thing 100 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.360 I noticed going through some of these films was maybe 101 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.600 this is going to be commonplace for y'all. But I 102 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:37.439 feel like in vintage porn it wasn't always just about 103 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:43.079 the massive dick. It had like more humans, irregular human 104 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:44.959 sized penises, and a lot of the stuff we're going 105 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.079 to be talking about today. And I just want to 106 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:48.600 go on the record to saying I appreciate that. 107 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:52.079 Well. I mean people were also allowed to have like 108 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:54.839 crooked teeth and hairy bodies and it wasn't considered like 109 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.240 a fetish if they had hair. Yeah, you know, it 110 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:02.160 wasn't a subsection in the video story yet, so like it, 111 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:04.839 you know, And it's funny because I feel like now 112 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:06.839 there probably needs to be a video section that says 113 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:11.160 like plot if it has a plot, And obviously we'll 114 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:13.720 talk about that also with regards to a couple of 115 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:17.480 these movies, because they do have plots, but some even 116 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:21.839 the ones that don't, are still plot heavy in a way. Yeah, 117 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:27.319 it definitely, it definitely does feel like the everyman is 118 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:32.959 performing in these scenes and the every woman and every person. 119 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:40.600 Yeah yeah, yeah. I And also, by the way, this was, 120 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:44.240 in my opinion, a very strong year for Meluccene, even 121 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:48.360 beyond this month and even beyond the Mitchell Brothers, Like 122 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:52.879 they had some really interesting from January onward. It was 123 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.319 like kind of an incredible release schedule. And I you know, personally, 124 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:58.519 I hadn't gotten around to getting a lot of the 125 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.959 old Pikarama DVDs, so I was really happy that they 126 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:06.920 got HD upgrades. So yeah, really, really, really stoked for 127 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:11.680 that to see like what what's what they're upgrading next, 128 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:16.360 and also like what they're digging up not just from 129 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.920 like Mitchell Brothers, but just in general, like what they're 130 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:22.639 going to do with the quality X and all the 131 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:26.680 sub labels and partner labels. Because obviously Celesti, she's going 132 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.240 to talk about this or they're going to talk about 133 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.680 this closer to probably on the next episode. But you know, 134 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:34.639 now they're doing like Delirium Home Video, which is a 135 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:39.240 lot of just Franco adult stuff and like, you know, 136 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.919 titles that aren't exclusive to just Vinegar Syndrome's warehouse. I 137 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.480 guess you could say, yeah, so really starting for that. 138 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:50.120 Behind the Green Door is selling well, Like it's already 139 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:52.679 got twenty seven hundred copies sold, which is pretty great. 140 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:58.559 Wow, that's great. How many slips did they do? Four thousand? Awesome? Yeah, 141 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:02.159 even Fireworks Women at first wasn't felt like it wasn't 142 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.200 selling super well, but now it looks like it's like going, 143 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:07.399 it's like going a lot quicker. 144 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.080 Have you prior to this year, had you seen every 145 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:14.279 single title in a calendar year for releasing? 146 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:16.519 No, not at all. 147 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:17.879 Nice. 148 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:21.879 No, I had seen a couple things here and there, 149 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.279 and like I would pick up stuff on sales and 150 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.879 I'm trying to think if I even ever bought like 151 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.879 a new release from them before this. I just don't 152 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.320 really buy new releases in general. Like this year, I 153 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.279 think the only thing I pre ordered was that new 154 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.720 Possession set, which is like. 155 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:40.399 Well, that's like I must buy. Yeah, that was like 156 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:42.799 a day one I I. 157 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.679 Yeah, I pre ordered it the second it went up. 158 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.480 Which won the Second Site one mm. 159 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:52.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did too. I got it from 160 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:53.600 Atomic like right away. 161 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:56.320 Okay, let's see. 162 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:58.440 Here on that movie at least twice already, but I 163 00:09:58.480 --> 00:09:59.559 made I made triple to. 164 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:02.159 Okay, we'll see here. 165 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.639 If you can afford it, it's worth it because I 166 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.919 think it might be selling out places and uh, I 167 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.639 don't have it on me, but it has. I mean, 168 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:13.399 I guess it depends on how much you love this movie, 169 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:17.360 because Second Site likes to do these editions where it's 170 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.639 like larger than like a like a hardback like academic 171 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.679 like encyclopedia or something, and like that's kind of a lot. 172 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:25.600 If it's just like a movie that's like a seven 173 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:27.559 or an eight out of ten for me. But when 174 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:29.519 it's my second favorite film of all time. I'm like, 175 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.159 make it as big as you want. I'm well here. 176 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:35.360 For it, you know. Yeah, Yeah, that's a that that 177 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:38.039 that box is it is a that's a big I 178 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:44.080 just got it, and good god, it is crazy. It's 179 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:48.399 up there with the Hitcher in terms of like size. 180 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:53.000 I couldn't. Yeah, but I'm happy to own that too. 181 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:54.879 I'm the same way like I'm I've been pretty good 182 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.519 about going back to standards when I when I can. 183 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.840 But but that one, yeah, that was a little that 184 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:03.039 was kind of irresistible. 185 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:06.399 Yeah, I'm definitely like in standards mode as of late, 186 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.080 because it's just like it's too much, you know, it's 187 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.080 much space and too much money, and you know, I 188 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.200 just what's on the disc is usually fine, I mean, 189 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:17.240 you know, I mean, I'm a sucker for the books 190 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.919 and the booklets and stuff, but I can't always have 191 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.759 it right. But that one it has the script included, 192 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.120 and it has like a big chunky book full of 193 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.159 all sorts of like history and essays. It has all 194 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.480 sorts of new special features. I think it's the first 195 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.600 time the American cut has been remastered in four K, 196 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.919 which I've actually never seen the American cut. I know 197 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:39.440 it's not supposed to be great, but like just in 198 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:45.559 terms of having the option, it'd be interesting. Yeah, I'm 199 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:47.519 really really stuck. Like I came in and I was like, 200 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:51.799 Mary christ from me. 201 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:54.840 That's not a seven ear and eight for me, that's 202 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:59.200 a ten, So I'll get it. I was laughing at 203 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:01.399 I was walking through. There's a video store here in 204 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.120 Austin called Waterloo Records, and I mean it's a music store, 205 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.399 but they have movies as well. And I finally got 206 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.600 to see the imprint version of The Keep. Have you 207 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:10.360 seen this thing? 208 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:13.200 Oh my god, Oh I've only seen. 209 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.799 I've seen pictures like like for reference, I've seen people 210 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:20.720 on like Reddit and Facebook, but like they're like, this 211 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:22.919 is the Keep, this is the other Keep, and it 212 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.039 literally is like the palm of your hand versus like 213 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:26.639 a door. 214 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:30.759 Yeah. Yeah, it's so big for that movie. That's not 215 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:32.639 a tent. I mean it's a fun movie, but that's 216 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:33.159 not a yah. 217 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.759 I actually like it a lot, but I wouldn't need 218 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:37.399 a coffee table book. 219 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.840 Of it for my house, you know, yeah, totally totally, 220 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:47.799 that's like I agree. Yeah, I also, well, you know, 221 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:50.679 it's funny, just to tie this back to Melu scene. 222 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.799 When it comes to a Melu scene release, that's when 223 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.879 I'm gonna get a big book, Like that's when I 224 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.320 want the slip cover with all the stuff, because that's 225 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:01.759 usually what where it comes with the literature, with all 226 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:04.720 the contexts and stuff that you need for something like this. 227 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:08.720 For sure, you know, I mean, I'm sure there are 228 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:12.440 some people who do buy it for its original intended purpose, 229 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:14.679 but I would I would venture to say ninety percent 230 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:18.320 of people buying Malo, you see titles are more in 231 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:21.559 it for a sort of like you know, for the 232 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:23.799 like the artifactualness of it. 233 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:29.639 Hey, Jeff, thanks for being here. Okay, so should we 234 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:31.240 go over the titles that we're going to talk about 235 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.120 to there? Just like absolutely rundown Now I'm live. Yeah, 236 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.240 so I meant to say this before we went live, 237 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.840 but please be careful about what we show on screen 238 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:43.559 because I could get in trouble. I'm just looking at 239 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.360 these cover arts. I think they're all safe. Yeah, we're 240 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:50.320 good to go, all right. So I think so Chris 241 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:52.759 has seen half of these, and I think he said 242 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:54.320 he has to take a work call at some point, 243 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:57.960 so he might need to peace out after we go 244 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:00.320 over the stuff that we have all seen, and then Eli, 245 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.080 you and I can cover the other two. So I 246 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.440 think this is the order that makes sense the what 247 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.600 I'm looking at right now. So we're gonna do the 248 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.279 I haven't actually tried to pronounce this out loud. The 249 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:18.879 films of Hisa Yasu Sato pretty okay, Yeah, yeah, nice, okay, 250 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.320 featuring the films Rewind, Lust Mord, and Love Letter in 251 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:25.559 the Sand. I guess start with the most insane shit first, right? 252 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:25.919 Why not? 253 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:27.200 Absolutely? 254 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:30.519 I guess that's subjective. These are all pretty out there. 255 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:39.799 The next from the boy fucking Goaded Classic Man Wes Craven, 256 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:46.279 we have the Fireworks Woman aka the Fireworks Man, and 257 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:53.840 then from uh Exploitation Extraordinaire William slash Bill Lustig, we 258 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:59.279 have the Violation of Claudia and I think I'm good 259 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:04.320 hot honey. And then finally, I'm not going to show 260 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:07.320 this back art work we have inside Jennifer Wells, which 261 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:12.879 real ball knowers, all right, Jennifer Wells, Yeah, Goaded, Okay, 262 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:19.240 so I'm excited about that. Yeah, all mel you seen titles, correct, Jeff. 263 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:21.759 I could be punk rock and just show it, but 264 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:26.559 that might literally get my channel in trouble. So we're 265 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:31.159 trying not to do that if we can avoid it. Man, 266 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:33.399 let me tell you, Let me tell you about my week. 267 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.159 So I was like, oh, let me just pull the 268 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:39.120 audio from the h from because I send Chris the 269 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.840 audio when I'm done, and then he stitches it into 270 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.320 the episode, and I'm like, I'll just pull those redownload them, 271 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.000 throw a couple of static images up, make a thumbnail 272 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.080 real quick, put it up there. It should be a 273 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.679 few hours. This project. Couldn't find the old files because 274 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:56.879 they were they get auto deleted from Google Drive, I 275 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:59.840 guess after a certain amount of time. So I had 276 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:04.720 to like pull the entire podcast audio from Podbean or 277 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:09.120 whatever the source I used was and then re cut 278 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:14.440 it down to just pull my segment from it. And 279 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.159 then it started to occur to me as I was 280 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.120 doing this and as I was creating thumbnails, like oh, 281 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:23.519 this is just like porn that I'm talking about and 282 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:26.440 that I'm making thumbnails for, and YouTube doesn't even like 283 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.679 it when you talk about like way less controversial stuff 284 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.440 than that. So I've just been kind of I was 285 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.080 just kind of had to like re upload and like 286 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:38.200 test like different thumbnails and different static images and stuff, 287 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.000 and I finally got it down to a science where 288 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.879 I can upload this stuff and not get in trouble. 289 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:48.360 But it took forever. It was a whole process, and 290 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:50.559 you know, I gotta say at the end of it, 291 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:54.039 I am proud of myself because I mean we've always 292 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:57.679 been talking about how like sort of thoughtfully or academically 293 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.679 analyzing porn is like a pretty niche thing in and 294 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.519 of itself, but of the stuff that exists, it's like 295 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:08.119 entirely in academic books or on podcasts, because I think 296 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.440 everybody kind of knew intuitively what I had to figure out, 297 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.480 which is that it's not worth a headache to try 298 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:16.279 to do this on YouTube. So like I was looking 299 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.640 and like I can't. I'm not to like say that, 300 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:21.680 you know, I'm sure there's other people that I just missed, 301 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:23.880 but like I couldn't find them, so like it might 302 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.960 just be me doing this on YouTube, And so I'm 303 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:30.720 forging a path to make it to set the precedent 304 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:32.960 that this is okay to talk about on YouTube. So 305 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.680 I'm excited about that. I'm proud of that. Hopefully it's 306 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:38.079 worth it. 307 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.319 I think it is. I think so because I think 308 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:46.920 we're I think things are getting too I think things 309 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.279 are getting a little too puritanical again. 310 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:51.240 M hmmmm. 311 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:54.440 I think I think we've looped back around to a 312 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:59.880 weird puritanical thing. And like like even some people I 313 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:01.920 don't even think know that they're doing it, but like 314 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.880 I think that there's this just this general disposition and 315 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:09.240 a lot of stuff on on like TV and in 316 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:14.000 movies that it's just like really antiseptic and and you know, 317 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.240 like I'm not saying that that even porn from back 318 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:20.000 then couldn't be clinical, but I feel like they it 319 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.839 was genuinely being transgressive still there was still room for 320 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:27.359 that in a way that's not like, uh, I don't know. 321 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:29.599 Now it's it's like it's so much more self aware 322 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.200 about its transgressiveness, not just important. I mean, in general, 323 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.400 I don't think porn's actually meant to be transgressive anymore. 324 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:39.319 I think now it's so fetishistic that it's not transgression. 325 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.799 It's just more commerce than ever. I don't know, I mean, 326 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:44.640 you can make the argument. 327 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.400 I think it's definitely more of like analogous to like 328 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:51.799 pornographers are like analogous like chefs at this point, as 329 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.680 opposed to like, right, because they're definitely tailoring for very 330 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:59.279 specific requests and needs and you know, yeah, yeah, exactly, 331 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:01.759 it's the artist to it. You know, you'll never catch 332 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:05.400 me discounting the contributions of sex workers. 333 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.519 To our sure, No, no, I don't. I don't know. 334 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.440 I agree wholeheartedly. Yeah, no, I just think that. But 335 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:12.599 I do think that. You know, it's a lot different, 336 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.799 and it's obviously shot you can now just shoot it 337 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:19.160 on your phone and it looks it can look comparable 338 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.880 to a fucking a digital camera. I mean, it is 339 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:24.400 a digital camera, right, but like you know, so, it's 340 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:27.799 just it went way. The stakes were kind of different, 341 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.359 I guess, and the approach was also obviously the form 342 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.240 and the function where even though there is like the 343 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.079 same notes, the music was different. I guess, best way 344 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:36.640 you can say. 345 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:42.240 It, Yeah for sure, all right, I guess let's get started. 346 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:46.039 Let's start with the set first in the new line 347 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.880 Pink Line, which I looked because there was a lot 348 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.559 of talk on the special features for this release that 349 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.200 uh think you films are very specific. It's very specifically 350 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:01.039 like softcore shot on film out side the studio system, 351 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.400 like those are kind of the parameters for a pink film, 352 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.359 and so like Roman Porno and all these other things 353 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:09.640 that I think we kind of lump into, like Japanese 354 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:13.079 hardcoren s exploitation are like technically different, and so I 355 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:15.039 was like, oh, are we just doing pink films? Am 356 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.400 I gonna have to suffer three more sublabel fucking announcements 357 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.119 for like the different things. But if you read it, 358 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:29.359 it says, hold on, I had it pulled up, and 359 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:35.519 I get this pulled back up labels pink Line. Pink 360 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:38.359 Line will present exclusive new restorations of select works from 361 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:43.640 key Asian erotic filmmakers, the focus on Japan's pink eu 362 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:49.000 aiga genre, so not even just Japan. So thankfully they 363 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:51.880 can kind of put anything with the vibe in that 364 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:53.920 one bucket and you don't have to have twenty five 365 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:55.000 more sub labels. 366 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:58.480 Well, I know that if they're saying specific filmmakers, there's 367 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:01.160 like a lot and I'm I only know this from 368 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:03.400 like cursory research, not anything I pulled up today. But 369 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:06.680 there's like the the pink U Godfathers. There was like 370 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:09.799 four or like four of them, and Sato's one of them. 371 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:12.000 I wish I could tell you this is about where 372 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.599 it gets a little more like uh, like I I 373 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:19.039 for me, up until this line, most pinky in general, 374 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:23.640 most pinky films, and for people listening they go by pink, pinky, pinkuo, 375 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.960 depending on the context. But I know that there's some 376 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:32.039 I've seen through, like I think Toy even did some. 377 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:34.240 Maybe I could be wrong. I don't know if it's 378 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:38.519 based on like a rating, but you know, rather than 379 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:42.319 just a genre. But like, uh, I think Chris might 380 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:43.480 be able to speak to this, but I think a 381 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:47.480 few Mando releases would fall under pink, right, Yeah, I mean. 382 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:50.119 There's different companies testing there putting their toes in the 383 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:52.839 water a little bit. Manda Micawber has done it now, 384 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:54.640 Connie has one that came out that we'll be talking 385 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:58.839 about soon. But the thing that I love about this is, 386 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.680 you know, they like this ties well into the history 387 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.880 of Japan overall, because Japan had a big problem competing 388 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:08.400 with TV. Like once TV was introduced, it became ubiquitous 389 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.079 very fast, and so theatrical was always struggling after the 390 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:15.319 sixties seventies in that era, and so there is a 391 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:16.799 lot like if you look at a lot of the 392 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.240 non sex movies, but like a lot of the exploitation movies, 393 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.839 a lot of the hero is shie stuff. There's always 394 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:28.200 pushing the boundaries, becoming more and more extreme. And then 395 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.319 V Cinema came out of that because they realized that 396 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:34.279 there was this incredible market for home video. So there's 397 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:36.880 all these things kind of happening like at the same time. 398 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:41.000 And even though Japan we were talking about going puritanical, 399 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.119 Japan has always had this really weird tension with sex 400 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:47.640 right where it's like it's such a confusing culture around 401 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:51.559 sex in general. But I think this was an outlet 402 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:55.079 for people, and we're going to talk about some wild 403 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:55.720 shit tonight. 404 00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:59.440 Yeah, I don't really feel like this is my lane 405 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:01.119 and I don't know enough about it, and I don't 406 00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:03.519 want to come off as like surely insensitive or whatever. 407 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.720 But it is kind of a stereotype that Japanese media 408 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.400 is like the real fucking sex freak shit. And then 409 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.359 you also hear that they're like pretty strict about like 410 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:16.680 gender and sexuality and things like that, and it's like 411 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:21.160 but like every single anime they're all like androgenous and 412 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.640 queer and all this other stuff. Like it's very like 413 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:28.279 pretty consistent, you know, and I always wondered, like what 414 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:32.079 the tension there is? And maybe it is just a 415 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:37.240 sense of the the uh, it's more subversive in a 416 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:39.119 culture like that. But then I wonder why we don't 417 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.599 produce similar outcomes because it's also very puritanical around here, 418 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:42.839 you know. 419 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.279 Oh I I I mean I think we did, but 420 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.960 it looks different. What what I think we had was 421 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:52.680 the MPAA because if you think of what what what 422 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:56.160 pinkus are, right, it's you have to blur certain things. 423 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:58.680 So for anyone listening, and we've we've brought this up 424 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:05.319 before and this is not for like the average person's consumption. 425 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.799 But there was a very famous pink film with a wonderful, 426 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:15.359 wonderful actor named Naomi Tani called rope Cosmetology and it 427 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:17.680 I know Chris is familiar with it based on that 428 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:21.960 smirk Celester you no, oh, okay. So this is a 429 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:26.319 film that features a very very intense scene that eventually 430 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:31.480 culminates in Naomi Tani having to service a dog. I'll 431 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.000 just put it that way. I don't know if that 432 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.599 puts that, but I hope I said it the right way. 433 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:37.680 That doesn't get the YouTube. I hope we're working I 434 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:40.839 hope we're sensoring. Okay, good, So it's. 435 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.519 A very I will never say like grape for any 436 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:46.599 of this other stupid baby that's like popular right now, 437 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:50.480 but you know, right right, striking the balance, okay, I think. 438 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:53.400 Okay, perfect, Well, there's this They blur that scene out, 439 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:56.119 and they blur it very specifically, and it really is 440 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.240 an example of a filmmaker using the form kind of 441 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:01.599 it kind of s it all right there they're showing 442 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:05.039 this incredibly graphic scene. Obviously she didn't really do it, 443 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:08.559 but they use the blur to make it obviously simulate 444 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.480 like it's happening. And yeah, Joe Demato would be very proud, 445 00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:17.160 and he probably was pissed he didn't get there first. 446 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:24.559 And so obviously it's this really transgressive thing. It's something 447 00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:30.119 that's that's pretty much illegal everywhere, right, and and yet 448 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:32.200 they get away with it because they blurred it properly. 449 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:36.200 So transpose that and that's an extreme example, but transpose 450 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.279 that to America. Obviously that would never happen. But though 451 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:42.319 I know, like did the Last Picture Show? There's a 452 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.039 movie that deals with that kind of transgression, but like, uh, 453 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:50.160 think of the MPa, right, if you say fuck once, 454 00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.000 it's PG thirteen. If you say it twice, it's righted R. 455 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:56.599 So I guess my point is they're not. It's obviously 456 00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.599 not like a one to one ratio. But those things 457 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.400 do we zist here in weird ways, and they're constantly 458 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:04.480 You'll hear all these stories in the eighties and the 459 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:09.079 nineties when NC seventeen got invented, how that became a 460 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:11.680 kiss of death, and how many times a movie went 461 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.279 back and forth with the MPa on just cutting two 462 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:17.960 seconds here and two seconds there, and ultimately does that 463 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:21.559 really make a difference. Obviously it doesn't, and it's very hypocritical, 464 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.759 but you know there's always proposed back then, like different 465 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.440 that it shouldn't be R or PG thirteen, that a 466 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:32.440 movie she'd either be for adults or it shouldn't and 467 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.759 so yeah, I think that's kind of the closest thing 468 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.279 we have here where it is still puritanical and it 469 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.759 is still a scandal when you make something NC seventeen 470 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.440 or rateed R. But I think what draws people do 471 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.000 those things here is when it's a big actor who 472 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:51.279 does it. So halle Berry did Swordfish, she did a 473 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:53.799 topless scene very famously got half a million dollars just 474 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.880 to do that scene. You know, Sharon Stone obviously doing 475 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.240 the scene in basic instinct where she uncrosses her leg somehow. Wow, 476 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.279 the lighting was just right for it to be rated 477 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:06.720 R instead of NC seventeen. So it's it's very weird. Obviously, 478 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.480 Japan's got a much bigger the the somehow the extreme 479 00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.319 there and the culture. There's some weird thing where it's 480 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:15.440 you're just on both ends of the spectrum in it's 481 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:19.000 very intense ways, and here it's not. It's just this 482 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.440 weird thing of just seeing how far a famous person 483 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:27.240 will go before, you know, on screen. Kind of That's 484 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.440 that's pretty much what it is, because every time here 485 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.960 something like that breaks, it's always like, also, oh did 486 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.880 they actually film penetration? You know, there's seat there's movies 487 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.000 that always have those rumors where supposedly they were actually 488 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:40.880 having sex on camera and stuff like that. 489 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:44.480 Just not to put two fine a point in it, 490 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.119 but we're most likely to be talking about a movie 491 00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:51.240 in twenty twenty six called Lolita Vibrator Torture. So you know, 492 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.680 they were always pushing things in Japan a little bit. 493 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:59.039 Fun for me, true and there's another, there's a there's 494 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.279 and I'm gonna butcher the title, but there's a Sato title. 495 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.000 I'm sure they're gonna put out called like man Woman 496 00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:09.480 horse or something like that, or woman Horse Dog. You'll 497 00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:11.440 know what you can make of the title, you know. 498 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:16.160 But Sato waited in those waters too, even without Naomi Tani. So, like, 499 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:18.759 you know, I mean, it's just those things are I guess, 500 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.119 you know, I don't know too much about pink, but 501 00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:24.000 in terms of the pink films, that's a funny way 502 00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.119 of saying that. But like, uh, you know, just in 503 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:33.119 terms of the puritanical part versus the taboo aspect of it. Obviously, 504 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.839 I just gave like the wildest example I possibly could 505 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:37.880 because I thought that would be the easiest one. But like, 506 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.480 I think it's here. It is in some ways. I 507 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:43.400 think it's just because porn is fully legal, like in 508 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:49.400 impenetrative terms, that the it's not based around the actual 509 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.680 acts so much as it is around the people doing them, 510 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:54.720 if that makes sense. 511 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:02.039 Hi, Driane, thanks for being here. Okay, So I guess 512 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:05.319 let's go through these in the order that they appear 513 00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.359 on the disc real quick. A note that I had 514 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.200 that I thought was a bit strange how they sort 515 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.960 of divvy up the uh the discs themselves, because all 516 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:16.680 of the movies are on disc one, and then all 517 00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:18.839 the special features are on disc too, And I'm like, 518 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:21.559 it's a little bit counterintuitive. It's a little bit. They've 519 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.759 done that a couple of times. I mean, I know 520 00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.640 that everything couldn't fit on one discs, but it would 521 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.519 make more sense to me to just put like two 522 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.519 on one and then the features and then the third 523 00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:33.519 one on the other one with its features, I guess. 524 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.759 But well, that was my initial thought too, But I 525 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.519 actually was okay with it in this this time because 526 00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.400 I think the films are so short that it's easier 527 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:46.039 to just have the films there. That's that's what I thought. 528 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:49.839 It Rarely usually it's I'm I'm waring tuned to like 529 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.000 what you're saying, But for some reason with the specific one, 530 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.599 I was like much more okay with it. 531 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:01.119 Okay, so rewind, how do I Another thing I should 532 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.400 say right off the jump is I found these films 533 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.319 to be very difficult to follow. They sort of don't 534 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.039 follow like typical narrative plot structures, Like the sex scenes 535 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.759 kind of come out of nowhere, and like typically I'm 536 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:16.519 like trying to figure out like, okay, well, I mean, 537 00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.079 well this is here for a reason, this is having 538 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.000 some kind of narrative purpose or whatever. And I felt 539 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.319 like it was harder in these Yeah, just kind of 540 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.440 there apropos of nothing, and then we would be back 541 00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.880 to the story and then we would cut back and forth. 542 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:27.079 You know. 543 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:29.920 I had that thought, so I had to. I watched 544 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.160 to Rewind twice because it finished, and I was like, 545 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.640 what it did? Get it a lot more? The second 546 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:41.839 time around, it calmed down. It's almost like watching since 547 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.119 we're in Japan, it's almost like watching battles without honoring humanity, 548 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.039 where the first time through you're just like names, families, 549 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:50.599 you know, and then the second time you can kind 550 00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:52.240 of calm down and just like watch the story. That's 551 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.000 kind of how I felt Unrewind. But it's basically a 552 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:58.759 Peeping Tom sort of take on that story, right. 553 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:03.759 Yeah, yeah, I found it. I Oh sorry, Celesti. I 554 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.319 just want to say that. I I you know, when 555 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.680 it comes to these movies, the I surrender myself to 556 00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.119 them pretty quickly. I don't know if that sounds pretentious, 557 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:13.599 but like the way I kind of approach it is. 558 00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.839 I I already kind of know from the jump that 559 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.400 the visuals like what you're gonna see. It's almost like 560 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.200 a h because one thing I already knew about Sato 561 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.559 going into it without knowing much about the films is 562 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.839 that it's he's a pretty self reflexive filmmaker. So I 563 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.759 kind of know that, like the visuals automatically, just that 564 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.319 it's gonna be like metaphor city. Not in a bad way, 565 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.759 but like that's kind of why. So it's it's funny. 566 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.680 I I there. It was hard to follow at certain 567 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.640 points just because there's certain characters that I didn't I 568 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.960 forgot like what their roles were, like their their jobs 569 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:55.039 even but I still when it was over, I I 570 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.599 don't know, I got it, you know what I mean, 571 00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:58.519 Like I felt I still felt like the experience like 572 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.920 I had experienced the movie. I guess that was That 573 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.400 was my take. So yeah, sorry, go go ahead. Basically, 574 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.480 what I'm saying is I'm smarter than everybody. I'm just kidding. 575 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:13.319 That's true. That's true. I think you gonna lock that in. Yeah, 576 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.240 I don't know. It's basically about this like snuff film 577 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:18.440 that's going around and then there's like a video store 578 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.640 employee that like gets really into it, and then there's 579 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.799 like a like a female detective that like wants to 580 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.640 find out the source of it. And I guess we 581 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:27.480 shouldn't spoil these, so I won't say how it ends, 582 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:29.039 but I think the way it ends is really bold 583 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.319 and like really sort of transgressive and kind of aggressive 584 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:34.920 towards its audience, and I respect it on those terms. 585 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:40.279 But yeah, I think these are very obviously more art 586 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:44.680 films than they are like porn films, and but the 587 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.640 thing is, they still like work within the sort of 588 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.839 grammar of porn films, so but without the like sort 589 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:54.960 of baseline like narrative structure to kind of stitch the 590 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.400 things together. So it's like, I don't know, it's it's 591 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.119 I think it's just the sort of thing where like 592 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:02.920 something that I'm coming to terms with is like when 593 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:05.960 I watch films outside of my usual repertoire. It's like 594 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.119 I'm used to like watching a slasher or watching as Alla, 595 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.759 or watching like just a horror movie in general, and 596 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:13.680 being like I know exactly what's going on here. I 597 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:15.799 know I know what this means, I know what this 598 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.200 is representing. I know what's likely to happen next. And 599 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.039 when you watch something that you don't watch as much of, 600 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.480 like a Western or something like that, and you don't 601 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:26.359 have those like same sort of you don't know the 602 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.079 tropes in and out, so like a lot of the 603 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.960 unsaid stuff is not translating as well because you're not 604 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.319 as in it. And these are my very very first 605 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.480 pink films, So I'm like a little bit frustrated with 606 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.960 myself because I'm like, I fucking don't understand what's happening 607 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.240 right now. But it's also like, okay, relax, like this 608 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.319 is I think it'll get easier the more because it 609 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.880 sounds like we have a lot to go. I think 610 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:49.359 it's the sort of thing where you're gonna get used 611 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.200 to this sort of vibe in the rhythm and you're 612 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.000 gonna get on the wavelength. And but yeah, it's like 613 00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.119 double challenge because you just kind of have these like 614 00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.200 it like challenges you to like keep paying full attention 615 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.960 because you're like watch like a pretty extended sex scene 616 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:03.559 and so you're just kind of like checking out a 617 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:05.880 little bit, like Okay, we're not dealing with narrative right now, 618 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:09.239 and then it'll go back to like really artsy narrative stuff, 619 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.320 and so it's like making you pay attention the later 620 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.440 for something like I don't know, there's something about it 621 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:19.320 that is challenging in a way that certain, you know, 622 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:23.039 other things that I'm accustomed to is not. And it's 623 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.840 also just so deeply like metaphorical and political and like 624 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.920 also the images are so arresting and transgressive and like 625 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.159 intense that you know you're sort of catching up with 626 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.320 like oh wow, I'm really I'm just like watching this happen. Okay. 627 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.320 So it's a lot to ask of a viewer in 628 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.159 like fifty five minutes because these all clock in under 629 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.599 an hour, which is crazy, or either. 630 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.400 One of y'all into reading manga at. 631 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.880 All, not as much as I used to be, But yeah. 632 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.440 You've had that in your past, so oh I have 633 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.000 two Yeah, yeah, it's been a long time, but yeah, 634 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.079 I don't I stopped like years ago. 635 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.320 I experienced with manga is mostly the movies that have 636 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.719 come out of it, like Eachy the Killer or like Rikkyo. 637 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.039 But my understanding of it is that it has a 638 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.360 lot of the same type of torture and stuff and 639 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.840 crazy sex like in the adult manga, Like is that fair? 640 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.360 Like this is common is when I. 641 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.440 Was a kid, so it was more like the teen 642 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.960 oriented stuff, but like I would kind of sneak in 643 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.360 some reading of like some more adult oriented stuff and 644 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:30.800 it was kind of like that. 645 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:32.440 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 646 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:32.559 No. 647 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.400 There was a place I grew up going to that 648 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.000 had them for sure, and I would just look at 649 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.559 them at the magazine rack and or like the bookshelf 650 00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:43.480 because it was a comic book shop that specialized in 651 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:48.760 carrying manga, and they absolutely like all the tentacle stuff. 652 00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.639 That's where it started, all that, you know, those kinds 653 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.599 of things like they that like the hen Tai stuff 654 00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:56.719 is definitely I know that's I mean, that's that's manga adjacent, 655 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.599 I guess, but it's they oftentimes there's like overlap with 656 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.199 a lot of the those things. Just to add to 657 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.079 your point, Celeste, because I think you're right on the 658 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.119 money with like how obviously they have to meet a 659 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.840 contractual requirement of like sex, right, It's like the jol 660 00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:12.840 Silver rule for action where it has to be every 661 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.239 eleven minutes. It clearly has to show up every every 662 00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:20.679 once in a while in a you know, in a 663 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:25.960 in a Pinku, and I think, on top of being 664 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:30.599 political and obviously having to fulfill a contractual need, it 665 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.159 also in Sato's case, at least so far, it's very personal. 666 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.320 I mean, all of these movies are at one point 667 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.280 or another kind of reference art in some way, shape 668 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:48.239 or form. So if it's not referencing movies directly, it's 669 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:50.800 referencing video games. We'll get to that in a second, 670 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.119 obviously with another movie. But if it's not referencing that, 671 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.400 it's referencing the media. It has something to do with 672 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:01.599 the world that that Sato is adjacent to or directly 673 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.239 involved in, and in this case with this movie, directly 674 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.360 involved in because it's it's obviously about snuff films, which 675 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.679 you know are I'm sure people back then and even 676 00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:13.320 now would still refer to some pinky films, like if 677 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.599 they don't like him, as snuff films, you know, as 678 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:20.519 like a not as an actual snuff film, but just 679 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:25.559 as a as a derogatory term towards them. And so 680 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.320 this clearly is a move, like I would say, and 681 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:30.800 I don't use this lightly because I think a lot 682 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.079 of people do, but I think in the way people 683 00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:37.280 use Lynchian, I would say this is Verhovian because I 684 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:41.679 think he, like Verhoven, implicates himself. I don't think he 685 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:44.239 is above the material. I don't think he thinks he's 686 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.480 above the material. And I think he is very aware 687 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.360 that there's a push and pull that he's probably getting 688 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.440 off on some of this, and he also knows that 689 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.960 it's you know, he's a freak in a good way, 690 00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:57.159 but also in a bad way. 691 00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:59.920 Maybe maybe less defensible than he would like. 692 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:00.239 It to be. 693 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.559 Right, Yeah, I kind of agree with you that it's 694 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.159 not necessarily like a moralizing thing. I think it's more 695 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:09.559 of like a question, just like, hey, let's explore this 696 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.519 for a little bit, like kind of in the way 697 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.239 the video Drone does it, because I know the Video 698 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.519 Drone was made explicitly to be like, well, people keep 699 00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:20.920 telling me that my that my movies are too violent 700 00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.239 and they create violent behaviors and stuff. Let's make a 701 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:26.960 movie exploring what that would look like. Right, And this 702 00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.199 is kind of like a cipher flexive kind of like hmmm, 703 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.480 let's actually self interrogate a little bit here and you know, 704 00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:35.960 figure out what's going on here and actually explore that 705 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.519 idea to its logical conclusion. I think there's a lot 706 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.039 of discomfort in like the project that he's engaged in 707 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:45.559 in the text of this film. What else was I 708 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.679 going to say? I think that's it for right. The second. 709 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.360 Your point is interesting just in rewind though, because there 710 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:56.719 is a lot of that perspective switch about behind the 711 00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.360 camera in front of the camera, and I think the 712 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.079 theme of like being a voyeur is so strong here 713 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.960 and how it's like it's so closely tied into the 714 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:11.320 sickness behind where the baristrict tendencies, and how closely related 715 00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.639 it is to violence. So I mean what you're saying 716 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.880 makes a lot of sense comparing it to Verhoven or Cronenberg, 717 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.039 like these people that are trying to almost like call 718 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.760 it out our tendency to want to see crazier and 719 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.840 crazier shit, right Like that's uh, they love to call 720 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:29.960 that out. And I think it seems like I don't 721 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.559 know if that's what Sata was doing here, but I 722 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:33.719 could I could certainly listen to that argument. 723 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.599 Oh, I think it is. It's very it's it's it's 724 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:38.400 even more literal. I mean, at one point, you know, 725 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.480 the camera has a knife attached to it, and there 726 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:47.199 was like very a weapon, right, like right, right, yeah, 727 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.159 which I is a Peeping Tom riff, right if I 728 00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.039 remember correctly, I haven't seen Peeping Tom in a long time. 729 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.440 But yeah, yeah, so it's and then and then not 730 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.679 only that, but also without giving anything away, where the 731 00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:00.360 supposed snuff films are made, it's surrounded by TV. There's 732 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:05.199 beautiful shots of just monitors and TVs just everywhere in 733 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.199 various states of being on and off. I love it. 734 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:13.800 And because analog was just kind of like analog video 735 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.960 was really hitting the whole market hard during that period, 736 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:21.320 Sato really does a great job of like using video 737 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:26.039 on film and then putting it back into video really 738 00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:31.519 really creates like a really great like transmission effect. And 739 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.239 I think because a lot of this is I would 740 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:35.119 say a transmission. 741 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:40.079 Yeah. I think to circle back to a point you 742 00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:43.559 made earlier, I think I heard somewhere in the essay 743 00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.719 or in one of the commentaries that for these pink films, 744 00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.719 the contractual obligation was literally like one sex scene per real. 745 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.679 And when you were talking about four reels, you're talking 746 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.719 about like up to twenty five percent of the runtime, right, 747 00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:59.960 And so like when you're talking about a tight script 748 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.280 sixty minutes and you're talking about four sex scenes, so 749 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.960 you have to put in there somewhere. It's like, there's 750 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.719 only so many narrative excuses to get a sex scene 751 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.840 in your movie, right, And I think that when people 752 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.000 say that there's too much sexual violence in this like 753 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.320 and so in this context, I hesitate to even call 754 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.599 them like sex scenes because I think that rape is 755 00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:20.719 sort of categorically a different thing, but like in terms 756 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.639 of what it's accomplishing visually, right and narratively, Like it's 757 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.000 a way to sort of have both, like have some 758 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.920 kind of narrative tension, have like something shocking and traumatic, 759 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.960 while also checking that box for the people paying the bills. 760 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.719 And then it seems like there's almost like an active 761 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:40.639 protest in some of these where it's like, yeah, this 762 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:42.400 has nothing to do with the movie, but you're gonna 763 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.239 sit here and watch it anyway, like like what do 764 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:46.599 you want? What do you want me to do? I'm 765 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:48.199 going back to my shit after this is done? 766 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:52.079 But like here it is, I think, well, yeah, yeah, 767 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:53.119 but anyways. 768 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.400 Yeah, I think because at certain points, obviously he just 769 00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:58.119 like how much can you do in the movie? Right, 770 00:41:58.119 --> 00:41:59.880 At a certain point he probably just be like, all right, 771 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:01.840 I got a shoe worn this in somewhere, so here 772 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:03.119 here it goes right. 773 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.519 Yeah, I wonder I wish I knew this answer. No, 774 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.079 there's like Kyoshi Kursawa came from visinem not necessarily pink 775 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:20.079 films from home video, and takashimik did. I'm sure, I'm 776 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.000 sure there's more than I'm forgetting, but there's there's a 777 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:26.119 bunch of Japanese filmmakers and Mika even made some pink films. 778 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:28.920 But like there's a bunch of these filmmakers that started 779 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.239 out doing home video and then became theatrical directors, and 780 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.039 they use this as like a jumping off point. I'm 781 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:39.199 curious why I Sato didn't like I wonder if he 782 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.679 was so comfortable with this really uncomfortable like extreme content. 783 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.400 I wonder if he was kind of pigeonholed a little 784 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.480 bit into just like pumping out more of these because 785 00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:49.920 like some of these movies were I forget that which 786 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.239 one it was. But his first movie, the name is 787 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.599 Escaping Me, but he was made for eight million yen 788 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:58.239 and it made a hundred million yen, Like he was 789 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.119 making money, and like I'm sure his you know, the 790 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:03.239 Good Life, and these were successful, so it's not like 791 00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:07.840 he needed award money, I mean, you know or like recognition, recognition, 792 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.559 but I don't know, he certainly had the skills. 793 00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.480 Yeah, I mean these movies are also made in like 794 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.199 less than a week. I think as like part of 795 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.440 the like also sort of either definition or criteria for 796 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:20.440 it is like, yeah, these things were shot in like 797 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.280 four days or something crazy like that, and like. 798 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.440 Well, yeah, which is why it's so prolific. But also 799 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:27.239 I do have a I do think that's a ten 800 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:30.719 thousand hours thing where he's probably making so many fucking 801 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.320 bangers like he's probably doing. But well, the reason I 802 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:35.199 think a lot of these are good or because he 803 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.760 he just he doesn't have time to stop and get 804 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.679 too precious about them, right, So I think when you 805 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:42.800 do that, I think sometimes it is good. Even if 806 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.079 it's all it can be a little more imperfect. I 807 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.000 think a lot of times it just you know, because 808 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.000 regardless you're in an hour, you're gonna get the point, 809 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:52.920 you know what I mean, Like you don't have time 810 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:56.760 to not get the point, right. So, like I mean, 811 00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.639 which is crazy because I you know, like when you 812 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:05.039 watch when you see like Japanese porn. Now some of 813 00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.599 those movies are hours long, and I'm not I'm talking 814 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.119 about stuff like if you go online you could search scenes. 815 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:15.039 They are like three hours just one movie with the 816 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.599 same actor. God bless them and like the work they 817 00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.840 have to do because they, I mean, they still continue 818 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:26.480 to push like the extreme even if it's censored. And 819 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.920 there's a great interview I don't remember. I think it 820 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:38.079 was Asa Kira had On, a very popular Japanese performer 821 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.199 named Hitomi Tanaka, and they talk a lot about kind 822 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.719 of the differences of like how the misogyny is embedded. 823 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.159 But the point being is it's just so funny to 824 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:50.840 me that and I implore everybody to check out that 825 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.800 I'm going based off memory. This interview was from like 826 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.199 five or six years ago, I think on on on 827 00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.280 the Hub or something, But sorry, I trailed off little. 828 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.079 But like my point being is that it's funny that 829 00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.400 now how long these things are, that back then it 830 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.519 was like getting you in and out as soon as possible, 831 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:11.400 because at this point this it's not like this market. 832 00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.320 It wasn't like the American market and the movies we're 833 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.360 going to talk about a little later where they were 834 00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:19.639 made for people to go into a theater and crank 835 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.119 one out, and like it's weird when it deviates from 836 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.719 that formula. These are at home, So you know, he 837 00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:29.199 could easily just make a film that's very like just 838 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.480 hot air. It doesn't have to be as personal. That's why. 839 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.480 Just to bring it back to Chris's point, obviously, yeah, 840 00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.480 he could have played in a different sandbox, but there's 841 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:41.920 clearly a choice here, and obviously this movie is an 842 00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.559 interrogation of that choice, because yeah, he probably could have 843 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.119 gone to do other stuff, but there's he obviously has 844 00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:51.320 a push and pull with kind of the content and 845 00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:55.880 what he's doing and how he hey there, obviously he 846 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.360 likes doing it to some degree, and then obviously there's 847 00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.039 not a shame to it, but like obviously something's also up. 848 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:03.239 Yeah. 849 00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.480 I feel like there's two types of creatives where you're 850 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:10.400 like just off the top of my head, like like 851 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.960 a Jonathan Glazer, where you like really have an idea 852 00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.440 that you're like married to and you're gonna see it 853 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:19.559 to the last possible end, and so you make a 854 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.239 project like every ten years or something. And then there's 855 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.559 like Stephen King who's just like cranking out ideas constantly, 856 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.719 and if you're like that type of person who has 857 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:29.960 like fifty ideas written down and you want to make 858 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.199 them all, this feels like the perfect format to accomplish that, 859 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:36.320 where like you're making a movie a week, literally, Like 860 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.360 I think it was also like more so than like 861 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.920 American porn, Like literally all they cared about was that 862 00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.039 the sex scenes were there and everything else is expressly 863 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.920 up to the director. So like you have like a 864 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:50.119 perfect sort of like freedom sandbox, whatever you want to 865 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.360 call it, to like put in all your political hot 866 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:56.119 takes all your like sort of personal demons, whatever the 867 00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.679 case may be, and like exercise it in this way. 868 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:00.599 And like if you're just a person who constantly has 869 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.400 ideas and you can turn a profit because there's like 870 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:11.519 crazy sex shit, Like yeah, this is like a perfect 871 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.880 way to like make a living just trying out, testing out, 872 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.559 experimenting with different ideas that you have. Like it's a 873 00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:18.400 really cool format. 874 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.159 I also just one thing I wanted to say. This 875 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:25.920 reminded me a lot of corruption, the Roger Watkins movie. 876 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.280 I thought of corruption a few times, where it's obviously 877 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:31.920 this person who worked, like because corruption is for people 878 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.800 listening that was like one of Vinegar Syndrome's first well 879 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:35.800 I don't know if it was one of their first, 880 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:37.800 but it was an early restoration for them of a 881 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.079 golden age adult title. And it's a very bleak, dark 882 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:45.239 film that clearly is a metaphor for like the industry, 883 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:48.679 specifically the adult industry. And I think there's something to 884 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.159 that here as well, where he obviously is talking about 885 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:56.559 like the kind of the Mobius strip of making. 886 00:47:56.280 --> 00:48:03.599 These Yeah, I guess I won't spoil the end of 887 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:07.760 this movie, but I like how it kind of m 888 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:12.519 It doesn't give you're the audience and out, it doesn't 889 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.840 really give them a way to sort of externalize this 890 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.079 or like feel comfortable in that this is an issue 891 00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:21.920 with somebody else or something like that. Right, it's very 892 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.000 much like a hey, bring it in, this isn't us 893 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:28.039 problems proadjasts and like you can agree with that or 894 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.719 disagree with that, depending on how you interpret what he's 895 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:33.079 trying to say. But I think it's I think it's 896 00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:37.639 bold to not maybe maybe this this comparison is coming 897 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:39.039 to mind because it's been the only thing in my 898 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:40.840 mind all week, But it feels similar to like the 899 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.400 ending of American Psycho and how it like doesn't really 900 00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.960 grant the audience the catharsis that they probably naturally are 901 00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:52.519 looking for. You know, I recorded a podcast episode on 902 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.159 American Psycho, so look forward to that. But that's why 903 00:48:55.199 --> 00:49:00.440 it's been on my mind all week. Okay, do you'll 904 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.960 have anything else you want to share about this film 905 00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:06.719 in particular? Or should we move on to lust Mored? 906 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:11.800 Probably the most insane movie we're going to talk about today. 907 00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:12.480 What is it? 908 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:13.239 Pleasure Kill? 909 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:14.800 Pleasure Kill? Yeah? 910 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:20.480 Yeah, Okay, so this is essentially about what the fuck 911 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.719 is this movie about? Okay, there's there's a there's a 912 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.760 guy and his mom is doing like science experiments of 913 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:31.000 some kind, and his dad died and he's going through 914 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.280 that pain, I guess, and so he creates a serum 915 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:39.880 that translates pain into pleasure, and so, uh, you know, 916 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:43.559 clearly without the approval of the ethics board or whatever, 917 00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:45.960 just sort of puts this into the patients who are 918 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.559 going through a very different It's like a skincare thing 919 00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:53.039 or something pretty benign, right, and you can imagine how 920 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:58.719 it unfolds from there. You know, if you're a real 921 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.800 sick freak, if you're a into pain as pleasure. This 922 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:03.480 one's for you. 923 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:08.159 Yeah. Oh one. I watched this at eight thirty in 924 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:12.760 the morning. This and rewind I watched both both at 925 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.320 eight thirty in the morning. I actually, I take that back. 926 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.880 All three I watched at eight thirty in the morning 927 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:21.599 before breakfast. It became a theme. It's the Sato challenge, 928 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.679 and I implore all of you to take it it. Yeah. 929 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.920 I So, first off, there's an awesome video game motif 930 00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:33.039 that kind of runs through this. It's actually central to 931 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.400 the plot as well. There's clearly like a commentary on 932 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.440 people stuck glued to the screen playing video games all 933 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:41.679 the time. I guess that's like the the like boomer 934 00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:46.119 equivalent of like TikTok being glued to like your cell 935 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:51.760 phone screen or something. But I write exactly real. Well, 936 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.039 I so here's here's what blew my mind before I 937 00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:56.639 get into the actual movie itself. I thought the video 938 00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:01.639 game was specifically made for the for the movie itself, 939 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:04.119 because this has a really cool All of Sato's movies 940 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.119 have like a cool industrial thing going on, score wise, 941 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:12.840 very very similar to to Sukamoto and specifically obviously to Tatsuo, 942 00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.480 and I can only imagine the influence Tatsuo actually had 943 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.239 on Sato. I actually think there's there's something even though 944 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.360 some of these actually sorry other way around, some of 945 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:26.239 these may have also influenced Sukamoto. I wouldn't be surprised 946 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:27.920 because he he has. 947 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.880 A similar the Toad. But either way, I see that 948 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:32.119 connection happening. 949 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.599 Yeah. Well, this this beat Tatsuo to the Punch by 950 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:41.360 about two years. And one thing I'll say is that 951 00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:46.559 it uses an industrial score really really well. But sorry 952 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.440 again tangent town there. But uh I thought the video 953 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.159 game that was central to this story uses the music 954 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.880 like during the credit sequences, and the music for this 955 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.599 video game fucking slaps. I'll just start there. But secondly, 956 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.079 I thought the video game was specifically developed for the movie. 957 00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:04.840 And it turns out it was a real video game 958 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:09.079 called Vallas the Phanfasm Soldier and it never came out 959 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.760 in America, but it was one of the top selling 960 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.920 games in Japan that year. It is incredible that he 961 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:20.639 cleared that video game for this movie. And if you're 962 00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:22.760 watching or listening and that doesn't blow your mind, it's 963 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.000 because you haven't seen the movie yet. If you have 964 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.280 seen the movie, you'll know it is fucking crazy that 965 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:33.000 a Pinku could license a video game, not only a 966 00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.679 video game, but like a top selling video game in 967 00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:36.519 Japan that year. 968 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.920 And if it's like if Mario was in the Toolbox 969 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:42.400 Murders or something like that. 970 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.440 A right, right, yeah, yeah, I don't even know what 971 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.079 a quo or like even in videodrome, like like he 972 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:50.960 just like Donkey Kong just it's throwing barrels at James 973 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:55.440 Woods and he's coming. Well I don't even know, but anyway, yeah, 974 00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.480 I think this is also exhibit A for what we're 975 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.480 talking about, which is that you have this really transgressive 976 00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.239 imagery and there's stuff in here that of all the 977 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:08.639 three movies, and it even made me squirm, and I 978 00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:10.800 don't score them very often and stuff, this one really 979 00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.320 had me, Like I made a choice to watch this 980 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:15.320 before breakfast, and I had to I had to pay 981 00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:21.440 the piper when it was time to eat. But I 982 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.599 all that said, for as transgressive and disgusting as it is, 983 00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:30.960 I thankfully wasn't eating spaghetti right after this, but or noodles, 984 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.679 I should say. But it's all in service of a 985 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.199 lot of the same stuff we're talking about. Cronenberg like 986 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.880 it it kind of it beats crash to the punch, 987 00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.599 and it reminded me a lot of Able Ferrara's confessional 988 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:48.559 style in his movies. I think it really is. And 989 00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:50.400 by but what I mean by confessional style, it's kind 990 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.480 of the same thing. I think Able Ferrara in a 991 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:56.519 lot of his movies. It's obviously a more he takes 992 00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:59.079 a more literary approach at times with stuff like the Addiction, 993 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.320 but like when you have stuff like Miss forty five 994 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.000 or or even as like like Bad Lieutenant, where it's 995 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.159 this really transgressive stuff, but it's obviously him working out 996 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:13.320 his demons. And so I think this is this is 997 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:16.599 that I mean obviously, like it's a movie about a 998 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:21.159 teenage boy who's controlling women. That's not that hard to 999 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:27.679 take a director directing porn, right, it's the same thing. 1000 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.639 It's the same thing. So I mean, you know, rewind 1001 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:33.519 it was with the camera here, it's with controlling what 1002 00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:38.159 the you know, making women like sex hungry pain freaks 1003 00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:41.119 who want it, you know. So like I don't know, yeah, 1004 00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:42.679 it just reminds me of all those things. 1005 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.960 I actually think it might be important for because for 1006 00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:47.920 people that haven't seen it, they may be wondering a 1007 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:50.360 little bit about what we're talking about. So, yeah, and 1008 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.320 you mentioned it, Celeste, and you mentioned the D light. 1009 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.199 But this is a this is a drug. So this 1010 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.880 guy's dad was disbarred from the Medical Association of Japan 1011 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.159 or whatever for doing that at the treatments. We don't 1012 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.039 know for sure that it was the exact same thing, 1013 00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:05.679 but he has this weird respect for his dad, and 1014 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.880 I think he's trying to kind of take like almost 1015 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.360 take on his footsteps. And the mom keeps telling him 1016 00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.079 throughout the movie like I'm worried about you, like you're 1017 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:13.519 doing the same kind of stuff that he was doing, 1018 00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.760 and even before she finds out that he was sneaking 1019 00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:23.159 into her tests and putting this sermon. But it turns like, 1020 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:24.840 just to think about this for a second, because I 1021 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:28.440 think this is a critical part. It turns pain into pleasure. 1022 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.239 So if you think about that just as a as 1023 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.840 like a thought exercise, what Plato does in this is 1024 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.039 he explores all the different ways that you can start 1025 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.440 to kind of build on that. Right, So they look 1026 00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.079 as opposed to looking for better orgasm, so to speak, 1027 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.440 like pleasure side now they only get pleasure from pain. 1028 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.440 So the movie just goes deeper and deeper into hurting 1029 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:56.960 themselves more and like really difficult stuff to watch because 1030 00:55:57.599 --> 00:55:59.800 not because they're trying to hurt themselves, but because they're 1031 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.559 it feels so good and they have these like physical 1032 00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:08.719 consequences of the pleasure, but they can't stop. They're like 1033 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.079 addicted to this feeling of I don't know if he's 1034 00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:13.719 tweaking oxytocin or dopamine. I don't know what he's tweaking, 1035 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.800 but they can't stop. They're like addicted to it, right, 1036 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:20.280 and so they just as like it's one of those 1037 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.440 ones where I think the slow bits in the beginning 1038 00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:26.280 another movie I watched twice. You may wonder how, like 1039 00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.280 why I did it twice as well? 1040 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.519 I almost if I had one time, I probably would have, 1041 00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:33.760 And I sort of did it with the commentary to 1042 00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:38.559 kind of help me re engage with the material, right, 1043 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:39.679 But yeah. 1044 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.800 I mean that's exactly it. They're short, but the slow 1045 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.840 parts in the beginning I think really help because it's 1046 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.599 so much as the movie goes into the second half, 1047 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:54.599 it's just so intense and so uncomfortable that I think 1048 00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:56.559 you need that build up and you need to see 1049 00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:59.840 this awkward kid, like who's not good with women, and 1050 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.960 like he's you need to see all these kind of 1051 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:07.119 almost like what's that movie austin translation. I'm not comparing 1052 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.320 the two movies, but you know there's those awkward scenes 1053 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:11.000 with Bill Murray when he just doesn't know what to 1054 00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:12.840 do in the same room as Scarlet Hanson. 1055 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:14.480 I've actually never seen it. 1056 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:19.280 Okay, it's exactly like lest one. 1057 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:24.079 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's expectation less less 1058 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:25.440 more than translation. That's it. 1059 00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:28.280 That's what the ranslation perfect double feature. 1060 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.800 Yeah, I I think I think Chris is spot on. 1061 00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.400 I think that's right. I think that I just again, 1062 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:40.280 it's like that self reflexive style there, and obviously he's 1063 00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:42.679 pushing it in a way that we can't even say 1064 00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.480 out loud on here, what what you see in there? 1065 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:47.480 But and that could be more alluring to you. 1066 00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:49.639 I wouldn't want to spoil it for you. 1067 00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:53.039 Right exactly, you know, yeah, you little sick freaks, get 1068 00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:56.840 in there, jump in the waters. The water's warm, filled 1069 00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:57.920 with hot noodles. 1070 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:03.360 Noodles. All of the essays in this book are really great, 1071 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:08.559 so prioritize it because it's selling pretty fast. But I 1072 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:10.719 mean not to fomo you all or whatever, but like, 1073 00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:12.960 if you want to get it, you should prioritize it 1074 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.119 because it's like, I think there's a thousand out of 1075 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.519 four thousand left, which is pretty good for the maleoscene side. Also, 1076 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.639 I think there's a nice irony in the fact that 1077 00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.559 I think, by far the most fucked up release of 1078 00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:26.719 this slate is on the vineger syndrome side. 1079 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.639 Yeah, and you can buy it. You can also buy 1080 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:32.280 it on vinegar syndrome, so I think that's why it's 1081 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:34.239 moving a lot. Yeah, it's crazy, right, Like these are 1082 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.320 the ones that aren't aren't like categorized as adult titles 1083 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.920 on letterbox and stuff, and yet they're way more like 1084 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:41.360 I would much. 1085 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.519 I don't know if I should say this, Like like 1086 00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.360 I think that these are way less appropriate for like 1087 00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:49.440 a younger audience than just like your standard porno. 1088 00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:49.760 Right. 1089 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:55.360 Oh, absolutely goes to show you your bizarre like prioritization 1090 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.199 of like sex versus violence in terms of which is 1091 00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:02.119 more taboo and which is more unacceptable. So the booklet's great, 1092 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:03.800 All three of the essays are great, but I want 1093 00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:07.400 to do especially shout out Torri Potenza. Their essay is 1094 00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:09.360 incredible and it's on this film in particular, and it 1095 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:13.119 really helped me understand, i mean, what was happening in it. 1096 00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:16.360 But then also like the themes surrounding it. I just 1097 00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.719 feel like modern horror movies really get a bad rap 1098 00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.400 for like, oh, every single thing is about grief and trauma, 1099 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:26.320 and like that's true, but like so is this, you know, 1100 00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:28.760 And maybe it's just that they don't outright say it 1101 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.480 that it's like less annoying and like the more classic stuff. 1102 00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:35.000 But I think horror as a genre is kind of 1103 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:40.000 inherently about trauma, you know. That's just that's just something 1104 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:41.320 that I've been thinking about a lot. 1105 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.840 Even on the lighter side of things. Gimbadel Toro talks 1106 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:48.320 a lot about he's always sympathized with the monster, even 1107 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:50.239 as a kid, because he saw himself as a monster, 1108 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.000 and so like in his movies, you know, he always 1109 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:56.679 or he was in like universal horror and stuff, he 1110 00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.679 was always sympathetic towards the monster. And I think that 1111 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:03.440 is an interesting thing, like a metaphor for a lot 1112 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:05.440 of why people dive into horror to begin with. 1113 01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:08.800 Right, Yeah, I agree, although I do think it is 1114 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.079 kind of like I do think it's the golden age 1115 01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:16.719 of being over over literalizing it. I think we live 1116 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.440 in an era where it's just so exhausting. Even even 1117 01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:23.840 Germo del Toro to a fault kind of post shape 1118 01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:26.840 of water has really, I think even fallen a little 1119 01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:28.760 bit to that trap once in a while. But like 1120 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.400 I think, yeah, it's just you're right, because all this 1121 01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.440 old stuff is obviously like like you know, in the seventies, 1122 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:38.119 a lot of it was like post Vietnam stuff and 1123 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.719 family unit stuff, and then in the eighties it became 1124 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:46.599 about like obviously like like like punishment for like you know, 1125 01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:50.480 not being pure or you know, being like like specifically 1126 01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:53.760 with Slashers. But like you know, uh, yeah, I do 1127 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.920 think that they were also aware that they were a 1128 01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:59.760 lot of it was entertainment first, and a lot of 1129 01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:03.719 it subconsciously or like in ways that because they were 1130 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:07.199 produced on such like a factory line, feeling sometimes that 1131 01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.920 those things were like inherently built in. Now things are 1132 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:13.320 so postmodern that like you almost have to be ahead 1133 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.800 of the audience addressing it or it just has to 1134 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:20.159 be so like you know, they it's practically like the 1135 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.920 movie almost comes like with the production company name and 1136 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:26.760 then the Gerber's baby food symbol right under it because 1137 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:27.360 they're about. 1138 01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:28.159 To spoothe o you. 1139 01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:31.840 Yeah, it's just it's such problem. So like I don't 1140 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:34.239 know that that but like you said, it's nothing new. 1141 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:36.559 Even movies from the eighties sometimes aren't subtle about it. 1142 01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.360 But I don't know. Like when fucking Halloween kills, like 1143 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:44.480 you know, Michael wears the mask but everyone's the monster. 1144 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:47.519 It's like, oh, please just put my hand in a 1145 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.480 running garbage disposal and just run it. I can't sit 1146 01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:52.199 here and watch this. I need to be in some 1147 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:53.000 kind of other pain. 1148 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:54.159 Yeah. 1149 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.719 I think that that part is true, and I think 1150 01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:58.679 it's also like I wonder how much of it is, 1151 01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:02.000 like because these films are a little bit more overt 1152 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.480 about it, like normal people are noticing as opposed to 1153 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:09.039 like horror people and so like your average like critic 1154 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.119 or movie ego or whatever. It's like, Wow, that one 1155 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:14.440 was really deep. It was like about trauma and grief 1156 01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.000 and stuff. It's like then like people like us are like, 1157 01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:20.360 hey man, where you've been Yeah, yeah, the whole thing. 1158 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:24.239 Like yeah, well here's oh, actually I really want to 1159 01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:26.599 add something to that. I think the other problem is 1160 01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:29.719 there's a real joylessness to it. And I'm not saying 1161 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:33.079 obviously horror movies are bleak, but like look at Sato's movies. 1162 01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:35.880 Joy might not sound like the right word, but the 1163 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:40.480 excitement of filmmaking exists in these movies. He's obviously excited 1164 01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:43.960 by making these movies. I sometimes feel like what you're 1165 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:49.760 watching now, sometimes they're just so stripped of like any 1166 01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:53.639 sense of like excitement of the person making the movie, 1167 01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:55.960 you know what I mean. Like it's a hard thing 1168 01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:58.639 to describe, but like what I mean is I'm sure 1169 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.239 the person's happy to saying. It just has this joylessness 1170 01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.480 to it. And Gregor Rocky's actually called it out, like 1171 01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:06.760 someone asked him if he liked Euphoria and he's like, no, 1172 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:10.079 the Euphoria is such a joyless show. And I don't 1173 01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:11.760 think he said joyless, but he said something to that 1174 01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:14.480 effect where he's like, this, this show just doesn't seem 1175 01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:17.800 like it's excited to exist, like the filmmakers seems like 1176 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.039 it's any you know. And I think he's right. I 1177 01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.960 think Euphoria sucks shit, but that's not really the point here. 1178 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:25.079 But I just wouldn't take up a chance to not 1179 01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:30.719 disparage it. But I also think, like, would this be 1180 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:32.400 a good bridge because I actually wanted to talk about 1181 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.360 this in the next movie. I don't know if there's 1182 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:36.000 anything else you guys wanted to say about. 1183 01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.559 Oh, I was waiting for the good transition on it. 1184 01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:41.679 So we're perfect you. So I'll let you introduce the movie, 1185 01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.519 just if you want to say what it's what it's called. 1186 01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:45.800 It goes by two titles. 1187 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:48.440 Yeah, the one on the on the packaging is love 1188 01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:50.679 Letter in the sound, which sounds like a really nice 1189 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.400 sort of yeah it's a film, you know. 1190 01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:58.760 Yeah. It also goes by like pervert ward pera. I 1191 01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:03.000 think that's the better title, being oh, absolutely, yeah, that's 1192 01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:05.639 I think that's what we're all going to get sentenced 1193 01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:10.400 to when it's time, when we all get carted away. Yeah. 1194 01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:13.119 So this is a great example of something like we're 1195 01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:18.159 talking about metaphors. So this movie opens, I actually can sorry, 1196 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:19.519 you know what, I just realized I didn't have this 1197 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:21.840 pulled up in terms of Uh, I guess I should 1198 01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:26.400 tell people what it's about because it's so. It's about 1199 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:32.760 a nurse who is like germophobic and is dealing with 1200 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:36.320 a patient who has amnesia. She's like treating him and 1201 01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:41.360 people think he's like a serial attacker going around hitting 1202 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.760 people with a metal bat, and like, that's kind of 1203 01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:48.320 all I'll say without giving anything away. But the movie 1204 01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:49.079 opens with. 1205 01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:53.239 The with the understanding of how HRC works, which is. 1206 01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:59.760 Yes, that's that's right. Oh my god, yeah, that's it's 1207 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.920 hard even set that up. Like you'll have to see 1208 01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:04.000 when everyone listening, when you watch the movie, you'll kind 1209 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:09.920 of get a better idea. But so in the film, 1210 01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:13.599 it immediately opens with an assault scene, like literally, right, 1211 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:16.440 I think it is ninety seconds into the movie. There's 1212 01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:19.639 like it's like a sexual assault scene, but it happens 1213 01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:22.960 in a print shop, which is like the equivalent of 1214 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:29.320 like a Kinko's, more like Kinky's. So any sorry I couldn't. 1215 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.639 That's right, That's why they pay me the big bucks, folks. 1216 01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:38.400 That's my mic drop moment. But yeah, so there's ah 1217 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.239 it's she'sn't like she's making copies of something and then 1218 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:44.079 someone comes up behind a woman starts assaulting her and 1219 01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:48.559 while it's happening, the copy machine keeps running. That's as 1220 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:52.119 big as a metaphor as it gets of cranking out 1221 01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:55.559 these movies like a sexual assault happening literally over a 1222 01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:58.199 copy machine that keeps copying and copying copy and also 1223 01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:00.679 making this like artful light that's going over the scene 1224 01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.119 while it's happening. But that is as literal as it gets. 1225 01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:08.000 But it's still it's so it's such a obviously a 1226 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.400 unique way of expressing that, and it has like such 1227 01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:14.719 it's so spontaneous. It doesn't feel like at any point, 1228 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.199 like I feel like here, if that happened in a movie, 1229 01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:21.119 you'd be getting winked and nudged while it's happening, like 1230 01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:23.440 people would be removing themselves seen in some kind of 1231 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.119 ironic fashion. And there is not a shred of irony 1232 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.559 here to be found or any kind of self awareness 1233 01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:34.840 other than the commentary of obviously what you're seeing and 1234 01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:37.119 what he has to do, which is make copies and 1235 01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:42.000 more copies of these movies because the eventually be honest. 1236 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.559 That didn't pick up on that, But that's exactly right. 1237 01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:48.360 Oh, I told you, folks, smartest guy in the room 1238 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:52.960 right now. Just kidding, No, I really did. Like as 1239 01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:54.519 soon as I saw that, I was like, holy shit, 1240 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:59.480 I was genuinely like blown away, because it's not it's 1241 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:03.920 it's it's very literal, but it's so spontaneous or it's 1242 01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:06.199 so surprising, and I don't know, I just think there's 1243 01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:09.719 I think, uh, you know that it's not postmodern enough 1244 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:12.719 to be wink wink, nudge nudge about it, or just 1245 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:15.360 find some way to remove itself, you know, from not 1246 01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:16.559 very meditextual. 1247 01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:20.519 There's another one in my sort of copy Horses, where 1248 01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:23.400 it seems like everybody thinks that horror didn't get self 1249 01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:27.320 referential until Scream came along, and it's like, well, there's 1250 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:31.039 so many movies that like are like mettextual in this 1251 01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:34.280 way or like even more overtly than this is being 1252 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:37.519 and like, okay, yes, Scream just like kind of wrote 1253 01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:41.079 it all out for you. But it's definitely not the first. 1254 01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.639 One, you know, no, not at all. I mean, if 1255 01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:45.199 you really want to say the first one, I mean, 1256 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:48.280 you know, obviously Wes Craven's New Nightmare was. 1257 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:50.639 Like a warm up for Steam, you know. 1258 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:54.840 Yeah, and and and also in Hell even Friday the Thirteenth, 1259 01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:57.119 Part six, it's more of a parody version of that 1260 01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:00.280 where there's characters breaking the fourth wall, like one one 1261 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:02.320 guy like literally does like the thing where he's like 1262 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:04.599 this didn't happen to the other guy kind of thing. 1263 01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:07.960 He literally looks at the camera. I mean it's been Yeah, 1264 01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:10.079 it's definitely not the first time. I think Scream was 1265 01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:13.360 just it was the genre was so dead that it 1266 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:19.159 was such a like a resuscitator, you know, I. 1267 01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:20.840 Do want to like, I don't know if this is 1268 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:22.560 the best time to do it, But now that we 1269 01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:26.159 brought up all three movies, there's something like that I 1270 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:28.039 was thinking about as I was going through this set. 1271 01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.520 If you had told me that this was three different directors, 1272 01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:35.960 I would have believed you. Like, I think there's definitely 1273 01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.199 themes that are consistent, and like we've talked about some 1274 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:43.720 of the way that he explores culture and right and 1275 01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:45.880 some of that which is consistent in the way he 1276 01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:50.720 writes maybe, but the visual style of all these is different. 1277 01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:53.000 The way that he I think the way that he 1278 01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:56.479 uses like home Video and rewind Is is different than 1279 01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.079 the other movies, right, and like Love Letters in the 1280 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.319 Send has the sort of surrealism moments where she'll she'll 1281 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.319 be like dipping her hand into sand and then the 1282 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:09.880 scene transitions into some kind of fantasy or her past. 1283 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.000 I think I think it's I don't know, I think 1284 01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:17.640 it's a fantasy, but like, this is the the thing 1285 01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:19.960 I'm most excited about to dig into more of Sato's 1286 01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:23.720 work is I don't think that these three movies were 1287 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.199 really that much the same at all outside of being 1288 01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:30.920 pink films, And I love that about it, Like, that's 1289 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:35.520 super interesting that he's so versatile in the way that 1290 01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.640 maybe Takashi mikay is very versatile. You know, a lot 1291 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:41.399 of these directors kind of find their style, but to me, 1292 01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.319 Sato is somebody that at least three movies in I 1293 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:47.640 haven't really seen like a certain style from him yet, 1294 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:49.279 and that's super exciting. 1295 01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:54.000 Yeah. Maybe it's just the sort of ways in which 1296 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.760 I feel like all of these films are kind of 1297 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:01.239 I mean, the similar run and the similar kind of 1298 01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:05.399 plot structure, and the similar kind of art house surrealist sensibilities. 1299 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:09.279 Like they definitely felt like three takes on the same 1300 01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:13.520 sort of general concept. I feel like almost. But I 1301 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:16.640 see what you're saying too, and uh, yeah, I mean 1302 01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:20.000 Broad made like sixty of these, so like there's lots 1303 01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:20.279 to go. 1304 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.000 Yeah, I mean, no, you're I think you're right. I 1305 01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.119 think they are different. I think what is very smart 1306 01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:29.439 about this triple feature is they do have like similar 1307 01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:32.640 themes in different executions, right, So, like I think that 1308 01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:34.720 is the really great through line is that they're all 1309 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:38.680 metitextual takes on. You know, one is through the camera, 1310 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:43.840 one is through you know, controlling the characters, you know. 1311 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:49.319 The other is you know, like literally trying to mess 1312 01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:52.479 with like everything from from gender to trauma. But like 1313 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:57.399 they all deal with that in different aspects. Each movie 1314 01:10:57.439 --> 01:10:59.600 deals with that. So you're right, it's like they're in 1315 01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.199 the same building, but different parts of the building. Right, 1316 01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:05.399 It's like the same office, but they're on separate floors, 1317 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:09.199 and it's a it's a different it's a different department 1318 01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:11.119 and a different supervisor at each one. I don't know 1319 01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:12.840 where the hell that analogy came from, but like that's 1320 01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:14.199 not work. 1321 01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:16.760 Yeah, there's I'm going to get shipped for this, and 1322 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.680 that's fine, I can take it. I was watching a 1323 01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:25.680 bunch of Otsu's movies recently, Yes to Judotsu, and I 1324 01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:27.640 know he's a master and all these things like fine, 1325 01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:32.000 and I did enjoy them, but I saw six movies 1326 01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:37.520 from him that were almost comically the same, like like 1327 01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:39.279 you know, I'm sure you know if you look across 1328 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:41.560 he's directed one hundred movies. Like, I'm sure his career 1329 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:43.880 varies a lot. I'm not making a comment on his 1330 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:48.800 entire filmography, but all the ones that are like Winter, Summer, August, June, 1331 01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:53.239 all those movies business man like. But if you watch 1332 01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:56.119 them close together, it's just literally like the same thing. 1333 01:11:56.239 --> 01:12:01.520 And it's beautifully shot and well acted, but like, you know, 1334 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:04.920 I just start to feel like I get it. A 1335 01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:07.000 single woman in her thirties is having a hard time 1336 01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:09.640 leaving her parent who's sick, and she's got some tough 1337 01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:11.479 life decisions to make, like I can't do this six 1338 01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:12.119 times in a row. 1339 01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:15.800 And so I like, you're either heard of something or 1340 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:18.720 this project has broken your brain entirely. It's one of 1341 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:19.439 those two things. 1342 01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:25.039 It's not so OVERSU that's my point there. 1343 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:28.159 You go, whoa, that's a statement. Well, we've got it 1344 01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:36.119 on record, let's see. Yeah right right, Well, I mean, hey, 1345 01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:38.079 and that's just this is just volume one. So we got, 1346 01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:40.760 we got, we're Volume two is already here. It's we 1347 01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:43.359 already have him, all three of us had him delivered already. 1348 01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:45.439 So three is coming on the first two. 1349 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:49.279 So yeah, exactly, Yeah, Well, if I remember correctly from 1350 01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:51.880 the interview with Joe Chris, didn't he say like like 1351 01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:54.239 the first three because that's just what they had cleared 1352 01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:56.520 quicker in terms of like what they could restore. But 1353 01:12:56.840 --> 01:12:59.880 there are other filmmakers coming to that line later in 1354 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:00.439 the year. 1355 01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:02.800 Yeah, I was wondering how long they were going to 1356 01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:05.920 go with just this guy, and like, I mean, I 1357 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:08.119 hope there's other stuff. I mean, I like this, but like. 1358 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:11.640 You know, yeah, it'd be nice. Yeah, well, hey, I'm 1359 01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:15.000 I'm all for it for now, just because this was 1360 01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:17.920 such a strong set that and I'm kind of relieved 1361 01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:20.279 that the second volumes only two movies. I just feel 1362 01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:23.760 less pressure. But I kind of want to keep the 1363 01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:26.159 eight thirty am team going, so I'm going to keep 1364 01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:26.600 watching them. 1365 01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:28.880 First thing, And do you think of the morning on 1366 01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:30.039 the volume two or longer? 1367 01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:34.600 Not by much? Like literally like sixty five minutes, seventy 1368 01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:36.880 one minutes, and yet none of them are sixty nine minutes. 1369 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.119 Why aren't we having fun? Come on, guys, huh, let's 1370 01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:43.960 ato what's going on? Let's get yeah, worst joy I 1371 01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:47.239 keep talking about come on. Yeah. 1372 01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:48.760 I was a big fan of this set. I really 1373 01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:53.720 like challenging myself kind of and like sort of getting 1374 01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:57.239 into new paths and new styles and new scenes and 1375 01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:01.000 all this other stuff. And you know, especially when you're 1376 01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:04.399 talking about Golden age porn, like you know, you can 1377 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:06.399 expect kind of the same thing a lot of the time. 1378 01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:09.760 Like the Pikarama line, I feel like, is very much 1379 01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:12.119 you know exactly where you're gonna get and this was 1380 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:17.199 very out there. Uh. And it's nice to have to 1381 01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:18.920 watch stuff and you know, so it can be a 1382 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:21.680 little bit frustrating or whatever, but it's nice to watch 1383 01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.479 something and be like, I don't really I don't have 1384 01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:25.760 any point of reference or any bearings for this. I'm 1385 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:28.960 just sort of waiting in uncharted waters right now and 1386 01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:33.279 seeing what happens. This third one is the one that 1387 01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:36.720 has to like massage sex scene right at the beginning, 1388 01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:38.800 because that was the one where literally I was like, 1389 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:43.199 who are these people? Why are they having sex right now? 1390 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:43.520 Yeah? 1391 01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:45.760 This has nothing to do with what I was just watching. 1392 01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.319 Did I mess something like really big or something? Then 1393 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:51.000 I was like it must make sense when the scene ends, 1394 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:52.439 and then it didn't. I was like, I don't know, 1395 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:54.680 still don't know who that is, Still don't know why 1396 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.479 that happened, what's going on? Okay, that's fine. 1397 01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:03.039 Well, like the jump, like the Japanese blood job, and specifically, 1398 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.720 what I mean is that where the where everything stays 1399 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:09.479 in the pants. That the way that those these movies 1400 01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:13.439 showed it, it was pretty erotic. Like the actual sex 1401 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.439 in these movies I felt was when it was consensual 1402 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:20.079 and and when it was romantic in nature, which is 1403 01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:24.520 not all of them, but it was pretty erotic actually, 1404 01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:26.800 like I was. I think they they had the pacing right, 1405 01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:29.279 like the actors were good at like you know, seemingly 1406 01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:31.760 wanting to be there, and that part was nice. 1407 01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:38.840 Yeah, they're uh yeah, there's something too working within constraints 1408 01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:43.680 that breeds creativity, right and uh yeah, I think it's 1409 01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:44.439 like it's pretty good. 1410 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:45.600 Yeah. 1411 01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:48.239 I also just need to give a quick shout out. 1412 01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:51.119 In the first film, I really love how they put 1413 01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:55.520 in the they put in the snuff tape and the 1414 01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:59.039 girl says to her brother, Wow, let's commit incest and 1415 01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.920 then they just do it, and it's like sure, why 1416 01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:06.640 not just immediately? Okay. I like how she just says 1417 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:08.319 it like it is too like let's do this. 1418 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:11.800 Specific Yeah, it's gonna be quite a theme today with 1419 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:16.000 the say, isn't the last. 1420 01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:20.760 I feel like about incests on this segment, so I 1421 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:21.319 don't know. 1422 01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:23.640 Exactly. 1423 01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:28.279 Okay, well that's speaking of an hour and a half later. 1424 01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:31.159 That's one down, So let's go to the next one 1425 01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:38.439 from filmmaker Wes Craven. I've been hearing about this film 1426 01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:40.319 for years. I've been wanting to see it for years. 1427 01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:45.239 It's finally here, Fireworks Woman. I thought this movie was great. 1428 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:51.359 I really liked it a lot. Not to disparage Bob 1429 01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:54.760 Chin or any of the other classics that we see 1430 01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:58.880 film after film of, but sometimes you get one like 1431 01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:01.119 this where you're like, Okay, yeah, this guy knows how 1432 01:17:01.119 --> 01:17:03.039 to make a fucking movie, and he's just making porn 1433 01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:06.079 this time. You know, like the narrative was there, like 1434 01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:11.119 the the shots were there, the the creativity, every it's 1435 01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:14.039 just it's really good. Like it's a banger. I liked 1436 01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:18.840 this one a lot. It's essentially about a brother and 1437 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:21.359 sister who realized that they're in love with each other, 1438 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:26.079 consummate that feeling, and then the brother's like, well, can't 1439 01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:28.960 be doing that, so he becomes a priest and she 1440 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:33.199 spends the runtime of the film being like hmm, I'm 1441 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:36.600 gonna veto that and you should be with me instead. 1442 01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:40.359 It just makes various attempts to make him happy and 1443 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:43.600 change his mind, and this then and the other. A 1444 01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:47.279 lot a lot going on in this one. I've seen 1445 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:51.680 it claimed that Wes Craven invented incest peorn with this. 1446 01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:54.880 That feels like it can't be true, but maybe I 1447 01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:57.279 could uh posit it to the group. I feel like 1448 01:17:57.279 --> 01:17:59.479 there has to have been something before this that, like, 1449 01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:03.159 if not, just incorporates it, Like is the conceit right? 1450 01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:04.960 Yeah? 1451 01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:08.359 I mean this was made between this was nineteen seventy five, 1452 01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:11.439 and there's a lot of debate to that with regards 1453 01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:13.159 to when he made it because some people thought he 1454 01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:15.960 may have done it before. He obviously did it before 1455 01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:18.039 The Hills Have Eyes, but he did actually do this 1456 01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:23.720 after Last House on the Left, and I can't say, Look, 1457 01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:27.479 I think I have a pretty good knowledge on I 1458 01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:29.880 actually can't think of movies before this that had it. 1459 01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:33.439 But the thing is there were already loop carriers, and 1460 01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:37.399 loops were especially designed to be trans like you know, 1461 01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:40.119 they were fetish. You could literally make whatever you wanted, 1462 01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:42.359 you could pay people and they would make it. So 1463 01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:48.039 maybe it did like create a watershed moment for incestan 1464 01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:50.760 feature lamed porn film, did it did? 1465 01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:55.319 It's just like, that's crazy, that bro transetting this whole career. 1466 01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:58.520 You know, right. But the only reason I don't know 1467 01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:00.560 if I buy that is I feel like the real 1468 01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:06.199 that obviously didn't hit really hard until Around Sunny with 1469 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:10.159 Candida Royale, which was in nineteen seventy nine, and then 1470 01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:13.560 in nineteen eighty obviously the Taboo series. So that's a 1471 01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:16.079 pretty big gap between those movies. To say that that's 1472 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:18.800 what influenced it. I don't know that that influenced it, 1473 01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:20.840 and there obviously were other movies in between that that 1474 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:27.000 had it, But I don't know that it I wouldn't 1475 01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:30.680 say he invented it for sure, But even though I 1476 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:32.760 don't have enough to back it up, I just yeah, 1477 01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:34.840 I don't know. It's nineteen seventy five. It's not like he, 1478 01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:39.560 you know, porn was already the Golden Age was already 1479 01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:42.439 five years in. I'm sure. I'm sure there's some movie. 1480 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:44.239 It could even be a lost film. 1481 01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:48.319 No, I'm gonna, oh, sorry, go ahead to this. I'll 1482 01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:48.960 save my point. 1483 01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:52.199 Oh, I was just gonna say that the visual essay 1484 01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:55.000 on this did kind of at least imply that when 1485 01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:56.760 he was tasked to do this, he was like, well, 1486 01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:59.439 what's the most extreme sort of subversive thing I could 1487 01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:01.920 think of to like destroy the family unit, as he 1488 01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:05.119 had done a few times throughout his career on account 1489 01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:07.920 of his fucked up upbringing. That'll do it to you, 1490 01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:10.880 I can tell you that. And he was like, Ooh, 1491 01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:13.359 let's do this. So it doesn't seem like he was 1492 01:20:13.359 --> 01:20:16.760 pulling any direct inspiration from anywhere, and it was just 1493 01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:20.960 kind of like, well, if I'm deconstructing family as a 1494 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:22.920 concept in American life, let's do this. 1495 01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:25.640 Actually, that's exactly where I was kind of going with 1496 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:26.960 it too, And I promise I'm going to tie it 1497 01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:29.960 right back around to the movie. But I have a son, 1498 01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:32.239 and the parents right now are engaging in a lot 1499 01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:34.399 of discussions about how they're raising their kids, because like, 1500 01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:36.079 that's a very natural thing to do as your kids 1501 01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:40.760 get older, right, And there's one particular family that's super strict, 1502 01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:44.399 really hard on their kid, on their boy, and I 1503 01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:47.560 would never show them the movie necessarily because they're very puritanical. 1504 01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:50.800 But there is there's a interview on here from one 1505 01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:54.319 of Wes Craven either childhood friends or at least longtime friends. 1506 01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:57.479 No, it was a professional. It was Roy Frumkiss who 1507 01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:01.000 wrote Street Trash. He also worked and porn and he 1508 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:03.479 they were like they went to college together, I believe, 1509 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:06.560 and like like and yeah, so I just wanted to 1510 01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:07.039 clear that up. 1511 01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:12.960 Yeah. Perfect. So he basically lays it out right like 1512 01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:14.960 a lot of West Craven's personality and like a lot 1513 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:17.399 of his the stuff that he makes is because he 1514 01:21:17.439 --> 01:21:20.279 wanted to rebel and like because he just had a 1515 01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:22.520 lot of anger towards his parents, and like I do 1516 01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:24.199 I kind of want. 1517 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:25.840 Like I might know something about that. 1518 01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:27.640 Way. 1519 01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:33.199 Yeah, yeah, I think I think you're no. I think 1520 01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:37.359 that's so like totally what he's doing. And also what's 1521 01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:40.399 funny about the movie is so just to kind of 1522 01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:43.880 clarify a plot point, the sister isn't just trying to 1523 01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:46.840 like get her brother to leave the priesthood. She also 1524 01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:50.840 is rather than taking like this vow of chastity that 1525 01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:54.479 he takes, she goes the opposite direction. She just starts 1526 01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:57.760 trying everything under the sun. She becomes like a submissive 1527 01:21:57.800 --> 01:22:01.800 for this like controlling couple. At one point, they like make. 1528 01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:05.359 It like their staff at the church and like that, right, 1529 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:08.840 are like horrific fucking people. I don't know something yeah 1530 01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:13.720 on the social commentary, right y, yep, yep, and uh 1531 01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:17.880 and like you know social in the church, right and 1532 01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:21.159 and so they she keeps going into getting into these 1533 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:27.760 more like obviously more out there scenarios. And also there's 1534 01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:32.039 like a pretty brutal assault scene and it's interesting. Sorry, 1535 01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:33.560 just to be clear, I don't think the assault scene 1536 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:35.520 is interesting. What is interesting is. 1537 01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.960 He One thing that Craven has always had is this 1538 01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:42.920 weird slapstick humor in his movies. Like even in Nightmare 1539 01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:45.399 on Elm Street, there's an entire segment that plays like 1540 01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:47.720 home Alone, right where she sets all the booby traps 1541 01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:50.279 and the way he gets hit it does it looks funny, 1542 01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:55.039 it plays is funny, and and people under the stairs 1543 01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:58.000 like you just you see that throughout all his films, 1544 01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:01.319 and well actually Last House on the Left had it. 1545 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:03.920 There's literally like slide whistles playing when the cops show 1546 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:08.520 up and like start being slapstick morons, and and even 1547 01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:10.800 Last House on the Left has it. So the reason 1548 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:14.520 I'm saying all of this is that somehow shows up 1549 01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:18.000 in this as well. Before she gets assaulted, there's two 1550 01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:20.279 guys who get in a fight with gigantic fish. They 1551 01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:23.359 start hitting each other with like literally fish. 1552 01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:25.359 You know, when you're like, I'm not saying the assault 1553 01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:27.359 scene is interesting, I'm like, well, I kind of. I'm like, 1554 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:30.960 I've never yeah, actually it is right interesting. 1555 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:35.159 It's it's well, I guess it was the verbiage. I 1556 01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:37.479 didn't want people to think, I'm like, the assault is interesting. 1557 01:23:37.800 --> 01:23:41.119 I you know, just the fish fight is hilarious. And 1558 01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:42.319 what's really. 1559 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:45.840 Incredible fish who makes a cameo yees later and a 1560 01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:47.560 shot that made my jaw drop. 1561 01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:50.920 I'll just say that same here. I even as much 1562 01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:53.640 as we were talking about pinky films and sato that 1563 01:23:54.119 --> 01:24:00.000 this honestly is a pink film moment. Practically it's insane. 1564 01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:04.840 I mean that the fish that assaults somebody that is 1565 01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:08.840 used as a weapon pays off later in a porn scene. 1566 01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:11.520 I'll let you guys obviously will be surprised and no 1567 01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:14.000 need to ruin it for the listener of the viewer. 1568 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:17.039 But it even ends that scene with the fish at 1569 01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:18.960 the end, ends with the guy looking at the camera 1570 01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:24.439 and winking, which is so funny to me, but yeah, 1571 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:27.880 like every other like okay, so you know, I've said 1572 01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:30.800 this time and time again, Golden age films are the 1573 01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:33.159 best ones. The ones that have the most staying power 1574 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.760 usually fall into two categories. They're either like really great 1575 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:41.560 like slapstick comedies, or they're just really bleak, almost anti 1576 01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:45.680 anti porn, and this very much falls in that category, 1577 01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:49.079 very rarely as this erotic. The assault scene has played 1578 01:24:49.079 --> 01:24:52.279 out fairly realistically, like down to seeing even when you 1579 01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:55.640 see the penetration, it's not enjoyable. At no point can 1580 01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:59.439 I picture anybody watching this movie going like on their 1581 01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:03.319 lunch break in their raincoat, sneaking into crank one out 1582 01:25:03.479 --> 01:25:06.000 and being like, yes, this is what I paid to watch. 1583 01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:08.319 I'm gonna I'm gonna blow a load and go back 1584 01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:11.039 to work. At no point does this movie provide that. 1585 01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.359 It doesn't provide that release, a literal release. I feel 1586 01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:17.880 like it's you know, there's like one giant orgy scene 1587 01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:19.760 that I felt like he thought he had to He's like, 1588 01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:21.600 maybe this will just give the people what they want. 1589 01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:25.479 But for the most part, it's like really artfully shot. 1590 01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:27.840 There's like just this it's almost it plays like a 1591 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:33.199 memory piece. It's got this like hazy seaside cinematography, almost 1592 01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:37.640 like just franco ish. And I don't know. 1593 01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:40.439 Just if it really because it's a it's a it's 1594 01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:43.520 not the best print, and so it's not as pristine 1595 01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:45.439 as it could be. I know that they're not super 1596 01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:47.880 happy with like the materials they had. I wondered how 1597 01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:49.680 much or that sort of haziness is due to the 1598 01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:51.840 source material. But regardless, I think it really works. 1599 01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:54.840 Well. Yeah, it wasn't shot on thirty five. I think 1600 01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:56.520 it was shot on sixteen, so it's still gonna have 1601 01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:59.079 that grainy like. I still think a lot of that 1602 01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:02.159 it is because of that. I think with in regards 1603 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:05.079 to that, it would be more the like not the damage, 1604 01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:08.479 but like the the what's the word I'm looking for. 1605 01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:10.439 I guess my point is though, that it would it 1606 01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:12.319 would still be pretty close to that. I do think 1607 01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:14.239 it would have that even if they went from from 1608 01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:16.920 the negative. It just might be a little sharper, but 1609 01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:20.920 it would still be it would still be soft, and 1610 01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:22.359 I really love that. 1611 01:26:23.039 --> 01:26:25.119 I have a question for y'all something I didn't understand 1612 01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:29.199 in the movie. Maybe I'll can help me. Sure, there's 1613 01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:32.039 a lot of discussion about the woman in the film 1614 01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:37.560 lead having this book into people where they become like 1615 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:42.319 rabid sexual animals when they get around her. It happens 1616 01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:45.520 in the assault scene, but it also happens later on. 1617 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:49.119 It just like she has this magnetism that just seems 1618 01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:53.760 to people can't control themselves. Is that ever explained or 1619 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:55.920 is that just something that's kind of thrown into the movie. 1620 01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:58.159 I couldn't. I was trying to think back of, like 1621 01:26:58.359 --> 01:26:59.760 was there a point this was introduced. 1622 01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:06.079 I My interpretation is that Wes Craven's character, the Fireworks 1623 01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:08.880 man like is the devil and he's like put a 1624 01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:13.279 curse on her such that she d insatiable, and that's 1625 01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:14.960 like why she falls in love with her brother and 1626 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:19.319 why all these other subsequent things keep happening. I think 1627 01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:21.560 with that framing, I think it becomes a kind of 1628 01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:24.439 a pro incest movie. If I'm being completely honest in that, 1629 01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:27.760 Like the most tender and romantic parts are those parts, 1630 01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:30.560 and it kind of has a happy ending for them. 1631 01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.039 And I'm like, I don't know. 1632 01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:35.159 This is bold, this is bold, you know, Well, I'll 1633 01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:39.000 add to that. Yeah, I agree with that wholeheartedly. I 1634 01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:41.960 think that is very spot on. I think the movie is. 1635 01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:46.960 I think it's it's pro like. What I actually think 1636 01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:49.239 the movie is. I think it's just anti everything else 1637 01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:51.680 rather than being pro incest, right, It's just it's just 1638 01:27:52.479 --> 01:27:56.479 anti right. It's it's a great yeah, pro pro and 1639 01:27:56.560 --> 01:28:01.760 pro like obviously, like it's dealing with guilt and repression 1640 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:08.479 and so it's like, well, guilt and repression are emotions, right, 1641 01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:11.000 and so they can be overcome. There's a great speech 1642 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:14.760 that that wait, sorry, I want to answer your question 1643 01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:17.479 real quick, Chris, which is that I think it also 1644 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:20.880 is used obviously as a point of being, like, you know, 1645 01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:23.039 for a man to deal with this, he just joins 1646 01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:25.399 the priesthood and has to become chaste because if not, 1647 01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:30.880 the people see women as these inherent things that men 1648 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:32.640 fight over and become, you know what I mean. Like, 1649 01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:35.560 I think it's a I think I don't know if 1650 01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:38.039 that's why. I don't know if that's what the devil creates, 1651 01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:42.720 but I think that's part of it. And I'm paraphrasing it, 1652 01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:45.960 but you know, she has a conversation with Wes Craven 1653 01:28:46.319 --> 01:28:48.000 at one point, and by the way, Wes Craven had 1654 01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:49.880 to cast himself last minute. There were supposed to be 1655 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:52.640 a real Hollywood actor in this part. I forget his name, 1656 01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:55.960 but he dropped out last minute. And like Abel Ferraro 1657 01:28:56.079 --> 01:28:58.600 when he made Nine Lives of a Whit, I don't know, 1658 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:01.800 can I say, because I might being like, okay, great 1659 01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:05.880 nine Lives of Wet Pussy. He had to cast himself, 1660 01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:10.720 but whereas Able had to perform sexually on camera, West 1661 01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:16.880 didn't have to. And Okay, so the quote is I 1662 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:18.640 actually pulled it up while we were talking about this, 1663 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:20.880 But he says, there are no mysteries that can't be untied, 1664 01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:23.960 no fights that can't be one, but it'll cost you something. 1665 01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:27.640 And I think that is both metaphorical for his filmmaking, 1666 01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:32.039 and I think that is also about the cost of happiness, 1667 01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:37.239 and I think that the movie really ultimately explores, like 1668 01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:41.039 what the personal cost of these things are, because you 1669 01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:43.359 can't make a decision without it having some kind of effect, 1670 01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:45.439 whether you want it to or not. Right, impact an 1671 01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:49.119 intent are two different things, and so whatever you do, 1672 01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:53.399 whether it's society that's judging it or that's my take 1673 01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:55.000 on it, I think it's a very beautiful quote. I 1674 01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:56.960 think it's really really and I don't even know if 1675 01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:00.439 he's like maybe quoting from the Bible or something. But yeah, 1676 01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:02.479 I I also think it's very poetic that the and 1677 01:30:02.520 --> 01:30:05.199 this isn't spoiling anything. The last shot of the movie 1678 01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:07.640 is Wes Craven as the Devil looking at the camera 1679 01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:11.199 while smoking and like with a top hat and fading out. 1680 01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:14.279 I think, given that he passed away, I actually thought 1681 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:18.479 there was like an unintentional emotional resonance to that. But 1682 01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:20.600 it also is just very fitting that it's him being like, 1683 01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:22.920 all right, I'm out, I made my poor Now time 1684 01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:24.880 to go make a mainstream film again. 1685 01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:31.479 Wow. That was good. That was good. I think the movie. 1686 01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:33.720 I think it's really good. 1687 01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:38.119 Yeah, agreed, agreed. I think it's one of Both of 1688 01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:40.840 these are like the best releases from Melu scene like 1689 01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:43.640 of the Year, they're in the top like three Yeah, 1690 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:45.199 good stuff. 1691 01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:48.199 And Chris Jamie gillis Sighting of the Day. 1692 01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:52.039 Yeah, in a minor role. Believe it or not. 1693 01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:54.680 Man, Yeah, it was in one of the features where 1694 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:56.680 they were like, Jamie's the guy you call when you 1695 01:30:56.720 --> 01:30:59.439 need a connect for, Like he's like your plug for 1696 01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:01.239 like a bunch of adult actors, and they're like, we 1697 01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:03.319 didn't Orgy call him Jamie and he's like, all right, 1698 01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:09.439 let me round up the crew, which checks out. I 1699 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:13.800 think I think he's like my most like consistent, like 1700 01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:19.359 he's my favorite male actor in porn, like for sure, 1701 01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:22.359 like whenever he shows up, I'm like, hell yeah, let's go. 1702 01:31:23.239 --> 01:31:26.760 Well, I agree wholeheartedly. He's one of my favorites because 1703 01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:30.479 you know, you're getting someone who's genuinely in the in 1704 01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:34.800 the moment and good actors. He's a good actor. 1705 01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:36.239 He's just a magnetic you know. 1706 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:38.720 Totally and not actually for one of the films we're 1707 01:31:38.720 --> 01:31:41.520 gonna cover, I really cannot wait to talk about that magnetism. 1708 01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:43.840 But the other thing I really love about him is 1709 01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:49.640 he just you know, obviously he his later life got 1710 01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:55.000 really uh well it's something, but he you know, he's 1711 01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:57.119 like one of the only guys who really was in 1712 01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:00.279 porn because he loved like he when he was wasn't 1713 01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:03.119 making porn, he was still doing some fucking freaky, deeky shit, 1714 01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:05.560 whether it was while he was married to Serena or 1715 01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:09.439 you know, later on. And you know, I would let 1716 01:32:09.600 --> 01:32:11.319 I'll let everyone else google what he was up to 1717 01:32:11.359 --> 01:32:13.239 in the nineties up until his death. But it was 1718 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:19.840 not pleasant. He got a little achy, but like he nonetheless, yeah, 1719 01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:22.800 he is someone who just he had no illusions about 1720 01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:25.159 what he was making, but he also enjoyed what he 1721 01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:27.840 was making. And so whether whether it's a little too 1722 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:30.439 sadistic at times, that's obviously for you to decide, but 1723 01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:32.319 like it. 1724 01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:39.640 Yeah, right on, I think that is all my thoughts 1725 01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:42.159 on fireworks woman. Did you guys have anything else? He 1726 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:44.399 wanted to cap it off with. 1727 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:48.560 Oh, the first ten minutes, I was like, oh, guy, 1728 01:32:48.560 --> 01:32:50.640 this is gonna be really boring, but he was not boring. 1729 01:32:52.439 --> 01:32:54.800 He got great fast activated. 1730 01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:00.279 All right, Chris, do you want to do want to 1731 01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:01.760 stick it out or do you need to head out? 1732 01:33:02.119 --> 01:33:06.640 Well? Are we doing behind the Green Door tonight or no? Okay, 1733 01:33:07.159 --> 01:33:09.159 and I haven't seen anything else we're going to talk about. 1734 01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:12.880 I think so I'll say thank you so much for 1735 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:15.159 letting me jump on, and I'll let you to express 1736 01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:18.640 finish off. But I'm really happy to be watching these movies. 1737 01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:21.439 I mean, both of these ones. That's so. I guess 1738 01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:23.439 I would have seen anyways, because they're kind of through 1739 01:33:23.640 --> 01:33:28.119 vinegar syndrome, even though I agree it's weird that they're 1740 01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:30.800 on there, not these other ones. Probably wouldn't have seen 1741 01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:34.680 Fireworks Women without this to Douce, I mean, I don't 1742 01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:36.800 know it or yeah, a lot of the ones that 1743 01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:39.239 we watch I wouldn't have seen and they're great and 1744 01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:41.880 I'm really loving this, so we appreciate it all opening 1745 01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.319 my mind and it's crazy to see how much y'all 1746 01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:47.720 know about these. So I'm enjoying listening learning. 1747 01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:49.880 I can't wait. I can't wait to nudge. I can't 1748 01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:51.439 wait to nudge you into watching more. 1749 01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:55.159 Yeah, watch them together. 1750 01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.880 Perfect, it's gonna be a great doing. 1751 01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:11.760 Yeah, all right, violation of Claudia. I gotta be honest. 1752 01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:13.359 I don't have a ton to say about these. These 1753 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:18.319 felt more like standard issue sort of things to me, 1754 01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:21.119 and I mean like they're a little there's something more 1755 01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:23.840 there and that, like I think they are shot really nicely. 1756 01:34:25.239 --> 01:34:29.520 But other than that, uh yeah, I don't know. These 1757 01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:31.880 were also just kind of short and just sort of 1758 01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:34.039 paint by numbers to me. So I don't have a 1759 01:34:34.079 --> 01:34:35.520 ton to say about them other than that I thought 1760 01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:37.960 they were fine, But it sounds like you have a 1761 01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:39.720 lot to say about them, So I'm excited to hear 1762 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:40.199 what that is. 1763 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:43.600 Yes, I am very excited, particularly talking about the violation 1764 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:48.800 of Claudia because so and for people listening Pikarama, this 1765 01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:51.479 is their line obviously because it's a double But you know, 1766 01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:57.920 most Pikorama titles don't have special features very often. You know, 1767 01:34:57.960 --> 01:34:59.880 they might have like a trailer to maybe an interview 1768 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:01.479 in there, but for the most part they're just the 1769 01:35:01.479 --> 01:35:06.920 movies and at best trailers. This one actually has two commentaries, 1770 01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:11.960 one on each movie with Bill Lustig and Nicholas Winding Refin, 1771 01:35:12.920 --> 01:35:17.279 and they're great conversations because they it's mostly this is 1772 01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:20.239 I think a great because Bill Lustig was like twenty 1773 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:22.600 one when he made this movie, which is crazy. He 1774 01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:24.159 was like twenty one or twenty He had just finished 1775 01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:28.680 like film school, which is so crazy to me, and 1776 01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:32.319 he shot these back to back. But he talks a 1777 01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:36.239 lot about production in the like in all the people 1778 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:38.159 like that he worked with and how he got the 1779 01:35:38.199 --> 01:35:41.960 money for it, and Refin was like genuinely an engaging 1780 01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:48.119 interviewer and he you know, he is a patron saint 1781 01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:52.680 of restorations for like stuff like this, not just for 1782 01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:54.680 Bill Lustig stuff. Because they were going to make like 1783 01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:57.680 a maniac cop HBO series together. They had like a 1784 01:35:57.720 --> 01:35:59.560 lot of stuff they were working on, and I've actually 1785 01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:01.880 seen them in person. I went I saw Maniac about 1786 01:36:02.199 --> 01:36:05.159 nine years ago. It was screening here at the American 1787 01:36:05.199 --> 01:36:09.920 Cinema Tech and the interview on stage was Bill Lustig 1788 01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:15.159 and and Refin. But he also, you know, Nicholas finding 1789 01:36:15.239 --> 01:36:18.079 Refin paid for like the restoration of like Ray Dennis 1790 01:36:18.119 --> 01:36:22.239 Steckler movies, the Ormond Family movies that the series that 1791 01:36:22.279 --> 01:36:26.720 did that. I know that he's ye, yeah, Wild Guitar. 1792 01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:29.039 I don't know if he did the whole Ray Dennis 1793 01:36:29.039 --> 01:36:31.359 Steckler set, but Wild Guitar, which is like considered Ray 1794 01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:35.039 Dennis Steckler's most accessible movie, he helped her store that too, 1795 01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:36.960 So I think it's really cool that he helps with 1796 01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:39.239 a lot of this stuff. But and I know those 1797 01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:43.199 commentaries reported from the DVD that Districts put out a 1798 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:47.359 long time ago but built. But either way, so the 1799 01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:51.119 movie The Violation of Claudia was the was made in 1800 01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:56.039 nineteen seventy seven. It's about a housewife who is very 1801 01:36:56.079 --> 01:37:00.159 wealthy but very bored with her life because her has 1802 01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:03.079 been very busy and doesn't spend much time with her 1803 01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:06.560 and doesn't really pay attention to her and her tennis 1804 01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:11.359 instructor basically starts to become her pimp and like starts 1805 01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:14.039 helping her like become like a prostitute and like do 1806 01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:17.439 sex work. And by the way, the movie is an 1807 01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:20.319 hour and one minute, it's sixty one minutes. It's very short, 1808 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:23.920 and it's crazy how much gets packed into this into 1809 01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:28.760 this life. But Sharon Mitchell is the lead, she's the housewife, 1810 01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:35.039 and Jamie Gillis is the tennis instructor instructor. And what 1811 01:37:35.159 --> 01:37:38.720 I really like about the movie, first off, it's it 1812 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:42.880 feels more like it doesn't feel like a hardcore film. 1813 01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:45.439 It feels more like a soft core film, Like it 1814 01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:49.159 has it's it's shot like with very similar to Fireworks Women, 1815 01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:52.439 where it's like very soft lighting, like almost has this 1816 01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:56.159 like gauzy feel to it, like there's an opening dream sequence. 1817 01:37:56.199 --> 01:37:59.680 He says was inspired by Bell du Jour, and which 1818 01:37:59.720 --> 01:38:02.319 is so again why I love this kind of stuff, 1819 01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:05.439 like when you watch Golden Age stuff, because these filmmakers 1820 01:38:05.479 --> 01:38:08.039 were oftentimes not just making adult films. They would go 1821 01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:11.279 make like exploitation films. After a lot of times they 1822 01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:15.800 have the same influences that like a Spielberg would have 1823 01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:17.920 or whatever. And being like, yeah, I saw this Kurosawa 1824 01:38:18.039 --> 01:38:20.079 film and this is the opening is like you know, 1825 01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:23.840 so here it's Beljore, but it's just this very artful 1826 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:27.520 dream sequence of like Sharon Mitchell being pleased by by 1827 01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:33.359 a group of women. And the I have to say, 1828 01:38:33.399 --> 01:38:38.600 like the attraction between Jamie Gillis and Sharon Mitchell, like 1829 01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:41.720 their chemistry is electric in this movie. Like I'm not 1830 01:38:41.720 --> 01:38:43.359 even talking about a sex scene. I'm talking about like 1831 01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:46.039 just when she first is like playing tennis with him. 1832 01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:48.720 There's just this like body language they use. And then 1833 01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:52.279 they have like lunch together in the cafeteria at the 1834 01:38:52.319 --> 01:38:55.800 tennis court, and like there's a lot of they're saying 1835 01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:58.680 like with their body language and that you normally would 1836 01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:02.199 save for like an erotic thriller or something, And I 1837 01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:03.760 think this movie just makes it a point to be 1838 01:39:03.960 --> 01:39:06.840 like like it really tries to push up the eroticism 1839 01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:09.880 even with it's more taboo elements. At one point, Sharon 1840 01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:11.800 Mitchell is dealing with like a or one of the 1841 01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:13.760 characters I believe it's Sharon Mitchell is dealing with like 1842 01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:16.359 a guy who's not even out of high school yet. 1843 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:20.319 And you could make those implications in a movie like this, 1844 01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:24.119 I guess in nineteen seventy seven, but it it starts 1845 01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:28.239 to have a concert like I thought. The ending was 1846 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:33.920 actually looping back around to like a conservative viewpoint on marriage. 1847 01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:37.079 And it has a great final twist and a great 1848 01:39:37.119 --> 01:39:39.399 freeze frame. Oh all the credit. 1849 01:39:39.159 --> 01:39:43.359 Way yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, it is so the 1850 01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:46.479 ones I watched first and it's been a minute. I 1851 01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:48.880 really will not do not want to spoil the ending 1852 01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:51.439 of this movie. It is an all time it's so. 1853 01:39:51.439 --> 01:39:55.680 It truly is it really is. I cause I was 1854 01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:57.600 looking at my letterbox review and I even wrote I 1855 01:39:57.640 --> 01:40:00.720 normally do not get hung up on star ratings, but 1856 01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:05.960 in this case I did, because I was this was 1857 01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:08.039 just a nice three and a half star movie, and 1858 01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:09.920 that ending bumped it up to a four for me. 1859 01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:13.560 It really truly, for a movie that's an hour long, 1860 01:40:13.640 --> 01:40:17.720 it really does have it all, like it's really incredible. 1861 01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:21.279 So this this was teetering on like it's kind of 1862 01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:23.680 nothing to me, It's fine, like I might get rid 1863 01:40:23.680 --> 01:40:26.159 of this blu ray after the review is done or whatever, 1864 01:40:26.199 --> 01:40:27.960 and then that last shot and I was like, Nope, 1865 01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:30.000 this is a keeper. This is one ever gonna that 1866 01:40:30.039 --> 01:40:33.600 I'm gonna show to people this is a banger. 1867 01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:38.960 And the second film, Hot Honey, I did not like. 1868 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:41.960 It's just about a woman named Honey who's like a 1869 01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:46.880 virgin and won't put out for her boyfriend and she 1870 01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:50.560 has like a Her brother is also played by Jamie Gillis, 1871 01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:53.520 who's like in a wheelchair, but she has like a 1872 01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:57.039 sexual like she she suddenly has a sexual experience and 1873 01:40:57.079 --> 01:41:00.520 it like awakens her and she becomes really really really horny, 1874 01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:07.279 and it just I don't know it. It obviously is 1875 01:41:07.319 --> 01:41:09.680 the less artistic of the two. It really is just 1876 01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:12.479 like one scene to another of like hardcore. I I 1877 01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:14.680 at the beginning, it opens like in like an arcade 1878 01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:17.880 or like a like a ski ball or something I 1879 01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:21.039 don't remember, Like they're just playing pinball or something, and 1880 01:41:21.079 --> 01:41:23.840 it's like this cool New York, you know, second unit 1881 01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:27.119 photography type thing, and then it's just like one hardcore 1882 01:41:27.159 --> 01:41:29.760 scene after another, and I was personally bored out of 1883 01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:32.000 my mind. I thought this one, I think it's worth 1884 01:41:32.039 --> 01:41:34.119 owning for the violation of Claudia. I do think it's 1885 01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:36.840 truly like that's such a special film. And this is 1886 01:41:36.920 --> 01:41:39.319 kind of the inverse where he clearly you might as 1887 01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:42.560 well filmed everybody counting their money. Like it truly felt 1888 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:44.680 like it did not feel like the same. 1889 01:41:44.840 --> 01:41:46.800 So that wasn't just me. I was kind of like, 1890 01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:48.840 oh man, I don't remember a single thing about this, 1891 01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:51.680 so yeah, it sounds like you do, but I had 1892 01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:52.520 a similar take. 1893 01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:54.000 Yep. Yeah. 1894 01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:56.800 Another interesting thing about it worth mentioning is just that 1895 01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:59.279 the title the Violation of Claudia, I'm not sure you 1896 01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:02.600 can go. You seem to say it's not accurate. I'm like, 1897 01:42:02.640 --> 01:42:04.800 I think it's a little bit unclear, but it doesn't 1898 01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:07.720 feel like it's accurate, like the title definitely, and like 1899 01:42:07.800 --> 01:42:09.960 knowing who made it, you feel like you're gonna you're 1900 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:12.239 in for like something nasty, and then it's like not, 1901 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:15.359 it's like just kind of fun and pretty and nice. 1902 01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:18.399 Like I agree, Yeah, I was surprised. I'm like, for 1903 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:22.359 a movie called The Violation of Claudia, it truly feels 1904 01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:24.720 like like at no point, even even with the we 1905 01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:27.239 like the weirder scenes in the movie, so to quote, 1906 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:30.039 I put that in in air quotes. Uh, it's still 1907 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:36.520 not anything like for considering what movies not just bilustic directed, 1908 01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:40.119 but like that Jamie Gillis and shared Mitchell started really 1909 01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:43.399 truly this. At no point did I feel like Claudia 1910 01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:44.399 was being violated. 1911 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:48.520 Yeah, maybe for like a second because like when yeah, 1912 01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:51.439 they start their interaction, it's not really like he doesn't 1913 01:42:51.439 --> 01:42:55.000 really ask, but like right when it gets going, it's 1914 01:42:55.119 --> 01:42:57.760 clear that she's not fighting it or anything. So like 1915 01:42:57.800 --> 01:43:00.279 it's a little bit questionable maybe from like a mon 1916 01:43:00.399 --> 01:43:03.439 consent standpoint or whatever, but like that's a good point. Yeah, 1917 01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:06.880 it's not violation, and like the way that you're anticipating 1918 01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:11.119 in something like this, you know, it's just like questionable 1919 01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:13.760 and then it becomes overall like a thing that she's 1920 01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:15.359 clearly consenting to. 1921 01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:16.800 Yeah. 1922 01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:20.359 Yeah, the commentaries, I only had time because I was 1923 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:22.760 cramming all the special features today. That's been my whole 1924 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:26.199 day today. I had time to watch half of the 1925 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:29.039 first one. But it was a good commentary. I enjoyed it, 1926 01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:31.920 So you know, if you're really in the commentaries, like 1927 01:43:32.279 --> 01:43:35.439 for sure, check that shit out. It's pretty good, I think. 1928 01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:39.640 And yeah, I think it's just like when you mentioned 1929 01:43:39.640 --> 01:43:41.800 Belle de Jor. I've not seen that film in particular, 1930 01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:44.600 but like, yeah, okay, this is a guy that like 1931 01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:47.079 likes art movies. And is attempting to make one in 1932 01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:49.199 the confines of what this is and like you can tell, 1933 01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:52.000 you know, and it's something I always appreciate with these things. 1934 01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:55.039 It's like, well, this is the task I've been assigned 1935 01:43:55.239 --> 01:43:57.479 more often than not. A ton of these people went 1936 01:43:57.560 --> 01:44:00.159 in like I'm passionate about making porn. But it's like, 1937 01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:02.119 what kind of where can I sneak the things I 1938 01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:06.479 am passionate about into this project? And I thought that 1939 01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:09.560 was a nice I think you could tell it was. 1940 01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:11.720 It was definitely like thoughtfully crafted, you know. 1941 01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:15.000 Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. It feels more like a like a 1942 01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:18.199 later Gerard Domiado movie at some at some points than 1943 01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:21.560 it does like like Roger Watkins or something where he 1944 01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:23.800 doesn't want to be associated with. 1945 01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:28.359 It for sure. All right, you want to hit up 1946 01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:29.079 the last one? 1947 01:44:29.960 --> 01:44:31.960 Yeah, Oh, I'm excited to talk about this one. 1948 01:44:32.199 --> 01:44:33.880 Me too. I thought that this one was a lot 1949 01:44:33.920 --> 01:44:37.479 of fun. I really liked it. So this is just 1950 01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:40.479 I'm not going to show you the back of the 1951 01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:44.199 slip because well, I can kind of get away with it. Uh, 1952 01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:47.960 here's a front inside Jennifer Wells and then here's a back. 1953 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.960 I kind of flashed it already, but whatever, it's a drawing, okay, YouTube, 1954 01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:54.680 police don't come for me. So Jennifer Wells is one 1955 01:44:54.720 --> 01:45:00.039 of my favorite adult performers just across the board. She 1956 01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:02.920 so gorgeous, but then also like she's so like having 1957 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:05.720 She's having so much fun in every movie that she's in, 1958 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:08.920 like she just owns it. And like I think this 1959 01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:11.279 is a co director sort of deal with her and 1960 01:45:11.359 --> 01:45:13.239 Joe Sarno. I don't know how much she actually played 1961 01:45:13.239 --> 01:45:14.520 a role in directing, but she's crab. 1962 01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:17.760 She did she didn't direct at all. She didn't direct 1963 01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:20.159 at all, like just the yeah, she she just it's 1964 01:45:20.199 --> 01:45:21.840 kind of like the point of the credit, but it 1965 01:45:22.119 --> 01:45:24.279 fits with what the movie is. And to be honest, 1966 01:45:24.319 --> 01:45:26.520 I don't think Joe Sarno is heartbroken over it either. 1967 01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:30.560 It still though it feels like she's in charge of it. 1968 01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:32.640 You know, as you're watching it, it's like this is 1969 01:45:32.760 --> 01:45:36.079 my project and like maybe you'll do the job of directing, 1970 01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:38.960 but like you know, it's all about me. Yeah, and 1971 01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:44.760 we're doing my thing here, you know, and like yeah, essentially, okay, 1972 01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:46.800 So all it is is just like Jennifer Wells gets 1973 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:49.439 in a cab and they're driving around New York City 1974 01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:53.560 and at various points in this journey she's like, ah, 1975 01:45:53.800 --> 01:45:56.079 that reminds me of this one time, and we see 1976 01:45:56.159 --> 01:45:58.800 this one time and it's just fun. I liked it 1977 01:45:58.840 --> 01:45:59.159 a lot. 1978 01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:03.199 Yeah, it's okay. So just to kind of so people know, 1979 01:46:03.720 --> 01:46:06.920 if a movie starts with the word inside, if it's inside, 1980 01:46:07.000 --> 01:46:11.199 Jennifer Wells Inside, Deep, Inside, Anny, Sprinkle, Inside, Little Orally 1981 01:46:11.239 --> 01:46:15.880 any that's that's a series, and they're mostly wall to 1982 01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:18.680 wall sex films. They very they they will find the 1983 01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:21.960 flimsiest excuse for a plot, and they all use the 1984 01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:23.880 same music. By the way, there's a song that kind 1985 01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:28.680 of plays like this little keyboard esque weird alien and 1986 01:46:29.159 --> 01:46:31.880 sound that plays like during the sex scenes that like it, 1987 01:46:31.960 --> 01:46:34.680 like it almost has that kind of like like this 1988 01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:37.600 weird but they use it in all of the Inside movies, 1989 01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:40.600 and it's the characters kind of breaking the fourth wall 1990 01:46:40.640 --> 01:46:43.399 in certain ways. In this one not so much. It's 1991 01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:46.880 more voiceover, but in like the any the Anti Sprinkle one, 1992 01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:50.039 which I highly recommend, and the Inside Little or Anyone, 1993 01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:53.680 which I do not recommend, they break the fourth wall. 1994 01:46:53.680 --> 01:46:55.960 They look at the camera directly and they talk about 1995 01:46:55.960 --> 01:46:59.399 different things that they like supposedly, and it's obviously tailored 1996 01:46:59.439 --> 01:47:03.159 to probably I think deep inside Andy Sprinkle does sell 1997 01:47:03.199 --> 01:47:06.279 it a lot better. She does. I have a feeling 1998 01:47:06.279 --> 01:47:10.520 half the stuff there she does like. But inside Jennifer 1999 01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:12.880 Wells is so it's a yeah. So it's a showcase 2000 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:16.079 for these actors. They're pretty much in every scene. And 2001 01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:23.439 the production company I think it was Cavalleiro Video. I 2002 01:47:23.479 --> 01:47:25.199 know it was like this was a quality X release, 2003 01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:27.279 but I could be wrong, but I think this one 2004 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:30.359 was also, Yeah, it is okay. So they paid a 2005 01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:32.439 lot of money to these actors to be in the 2006 01:47:32.479 --> 01:47:36.159 movie and put their name on it, and so it's 2007 01:47:36.159 --> 01:47:38.319 obviously mixed results, but I think this one, yeah, I 2008 01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:41.680 think it's great. I think because here's something we were 2009 01:47:41.760 --> 01:47:46.600 kind of talking about off Mike before we started recording 2010 01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:49.920 with Chris, which was that, you know, during the seventies 2011 01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:53.920 into the eighties, as long as especially male talent and 2012 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:58.479 born could perform, that was enough. What they looked like 2013 01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:05.760 truly didn't matter. And and also age was dealt with 2014 01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:10.279 a lot differently. Georgina Spelvin, Jennifer Wells like these actors 2015 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:14.560 started at a much later age and Jennifer Wells didn't technically, 2016 01:48:15.119 --> 01:48:15.439 I think. 2017 01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:20.159 In the The Reality Report podcast, which I re listened 2018 01:48:20.199 --> 01:48:24.319 to because it's included as an extra, she said that 2019 01:48:25.119 --> 01:48:27.680 she was thirty five when she was first cast, and 2020 01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:30.920 I'm like, that's actually like kind of inspirational, like do 2021 01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:34.319 something this subversive in this cool that late. Like I 2022 01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:36.600 know that thirty five is not old, but like especially 2023 01:48:36.600 --> 01:48:39.319 in like any sort of creative field, there's like this 2024 01:48:39.439 --> 01:48:41.560 sort of vibe that like it's a young person's game, 2025 01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:44.399 you know, and like to just be this awesome like 2026 01:48:44.479 --> 01:48:47.560 at thirty five and just like do this is like 2027 01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:50.399 I don't know, I found it really inspirational and really cool. 2028 01:48:51.159 --> 01:48:55.000 And milf porn didn't exist yet, so like this isn't 2029 01:48:55.119 --> 01:48:57.279 marketed as her being a milf or like a woman 2030 01:48:57.319 --> 01:48:59.920 of a certain age that is not at all brought up. 2031 01:49:00.720 --> 01:49:02.520 And same thing with Georgina Spelvin, Like when she did 2032 01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:04.439 Devil Miss Jones, I believe she was around the same 2033 01:49:04.479 --> 01:49:07.439 age she was already, and funnily enough, what they both 2034 01:49:07.479 --> 01:49:11.000 have in common is they both started in sexploitation, So 2035 01:49:11.119 --> 01:49:15.760 Jennifer Wells obviously wasn't afraid to get naked prior to this. 2036 01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:20.279 She started hardcore pretty late, like this was seventy seven eight, 2037 01:49:20.359 --> 01:49:22.680 and she started I want to say, around seventy four 2038 01:49:22.760 --> 01:49:26.359 or seventy five, and she had already been doing sexploitation 2039 01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:32.560 and in Distrip Picks put out Career Bed and Sex 2040 01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:37.000 by Advertisement earlier in the year in February. That's technically 2041 01:49:37.159 --> 01:49:40.439 Jennifer Wells is the leading Career Bed and Georgina Spelvin 2042 01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:43.279 is kind of like the narrator in Sex by Advertisement. 2043 01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:45.840 But those were a full ten years before this movie, 2044 01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:50.159 so Jennifer Wells was not like a stranger to nudity 2045 01:49:51.359 --> 01:49:55.760 at all. But what I love about the film is 2046 01:49:55.760 --> 01:49:58.399 you obviously get some great New York photography, but yeah, 2047 01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:00.520 she totally owns it. And let me tell you, for 2048 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:04.720 an inside movie, as short as her career was, this, 2049 01:50:05.039 --> 01:50:07.439 the scenes that and the scenario she does in this 2050 01:50:07.479 --> 01:50:10.800 movie are like career spanning. Like what I mean by 2051 01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:13.560 that is when people start porn, they usually start by 2052 01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:16.239 just doing hardcore scenes and then eventually they work up 2053 01:50:16.279 --> 01:50:18.760 to like two girl, two guys and a girl, or 2054 01:50:18.800 --> 01:50:21.239 two girls and a guy, and eventually the gangbangs and 2055 01:50:21.279 --> 01:50:23.600 you know all that kind of stuff. This movie literally 2056 01:50:23.680 --> 01:50:26.960 charts that same course to every type of fetish. So 2057 01:50:27.039 --> 01:50:31.560 like she's like, as she's driving around one place, she's like, oh, yeah, 2058 01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:34.079 I was really I really wanted a hairy guy. So 2059 01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:36.880 there's a guy that's which, by the way, they're all hairy. 2060 01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:38.800 Every guy is Harry in this movie. But there's one 2061 01:50:38.800 --> 01:50:42.560 guy who just because he has a beard and long hair, really. 2062 01:50:42.399 --> 01:50:43.880 Long, he's like a metal guy. He's got like a 2063 01:50:43.960 --> 01:50:46.479 leather jacket all stuff, and so like he's got yeah 2064 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:47.600 that's true. 2065 01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:50.920 You know. And then right, that's true. Yeah, he does 2066 01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:59.239 have a swag and to be honest, and then after that, 2067 01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:01.319 she you know, at one point she's like, oh, I 2068 01:51:01.319 --> 01:51:04.479 also like big boys. And you know there's like, uh, 2069 01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:07.920 there's a guy she visits that's uh, we'll say a 2070 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:10.199 little bit big boned. Yeah, he's a fat guy. 2071 01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:12.239 That's a scene I wanted to talk about because I 2072 01:51:12.239 --> 01:51:14.560 actually really liked it because like, fat phobia is something 2073 01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:16.520 that has been on my mind a lot the past 2074 01:51:16.600 --> 01:51:19.760 year or so, and just how pervasive it is. And 2075 01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:22.319 I don't feel like they're weird about it or they 2076 01:51:22.319 --> 01:51:24.479 fetishize it or anything. It's just like, you know, what, 2077 01:51:24.640 --> 01:51:26.399 fat guys are hot, and so I wanted to fuck 2078 01:51:26.399 --> 01:51:28.520 a hack I wanted to fuck a fat guy. And 2079 01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:30.720 then he's just like, hell, yeah, let's go. And there's 2080 01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:33.680 like a really kind of funny like maybe it's a 2081 01:51:33.720 --> 01:51:35.319 little bit offensive, but I like the way that the 2082 01:51:35.359 --> 01:51:36.000 scene ends. 2083 01:51:37.159 --> 01:51:39.439 Oh I do too, actually know that she's just like. 2084 01:51:41.640 --> 01:51:44.239 But like, you know, as far as like a porn 2085 01:51:44.680 --> 01:51:48.840 from the seventies, like making the scene about fatness, Like 2086 01:51:48.920 --> 01:51:52.199 I thought it was pretty good and like the bar 2087 01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:54.760 is very low, but like I thought it was pretty good. 2088 01:51:55.880 --> 01:51:57.319 Do you know who that is, by the way, right 2089 01:51:57.359 --> 01:52:01.000 the guy? I don't, Oh, it's a car Stevens, who 2090 01:52:01.079 --> 01:52:03.479 went on to direct a few movies on the Pikorama line, 2091 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:09.000 Roller Babies and Mount of Venus. He directed. He not 2092 01:52:09.199 --> 01:52:12.279 great films by any means, but I've like, I have 2093 01:52:12.319 --> 01:52:14.079 such a back catalog to get through from their Blu 2094 01:52:14.239 --> 01:52:16.399 rays and I remember even back when I saw those 2095 01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:19.800 before I started buying Pikoramas again, I was not crazy 2096 01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:23.199 about it, but either film, but like, yeah, it's just 2097 01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:25.479 cool that it's also like someone who works in the business. 2098 01:52:26.159 --> 01:52:31.199 And and then from there, wait, there's a scene before that. Okay, 2099 01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:33.079 we need to talk about this scene as well. This 2100 01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:35.720 is what a good sport she is and how hilariously 2101 01:52:35.720 --> 01:52:38.920 committed she was to the bit because I don't know 2102 01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:41.439 you could see this all as like, I don't know, 2103 01:52:41.479 --> 01:52:44.000 there's some of it. Like there's a scene again I 2104 01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:45.880 don't know if inner racial was even a thing at 2105 01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:47.960 that point, but like, you know, there's a scene where 2106 01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:52.239 she's where she is with a woman and then in 2107 01:52:52.279 --> 01:52:54.960 the when they finish, she's like, what's wrong. She's like, well, 2108 01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:58.920 I just need a dick, and Gilbert I was messed 2109 01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:01.680 up his last name. I think it's palm pummonteer comes 2110 01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:04.640 in and has sex with her. But again that's another 2111 01:53:04.640 --> 01:53:07.439 thing where like I say, like in you know, that's 2112 01:53:07.479 --> 01:53:10.000 a currency now in porn, like you work your way 2113 01:53:10.079 --> 01:53:12.359 up to interracial because that's where you kind of want 2114 01:53:12.359 --> 01:53:16.399 your value to go up, so to speak. And in 2115 01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:18.720 this movie, she just she does that scene and again 2116 01:53:18.720 --> 01:53:20.079 I don't even know if that was even like a 2117 01:53:20.119 --> 01:53:22.520 controversial thing at that point or if this was still 2118 01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:28.319 like post free love. But before that, there's a scene 2119 01:53:28.359 --> 01:53:31.119 where she goes to she they pass a movie theater 2120 01:53:31.640 --> 01:53:33.159 and she's like, oh, yeah, I remember that theater. I 2121 01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:36.359 had a thing with a projectionist. So a movie of 2122 01:53:36.359 --> 01:53:40.159 hers is playing on screen, and the projectionist, who's kind 2123 01:53:40.159 --> 01:53:42.159 of like implied to be like a drunk even though 2124 01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:45.680 he could still get it up, starts watching from the 2125 01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:49.000 projection booth her scene and starts drinking off and she 2126 01:53:49.119 --> 01:53:50.840 walks in and he's sitting there and it's by the way, 2127 01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:54.399 it's it's r. Bola, who I always forget his real name. 2128 01:53:54.439 --> 01:53:56.920 But he's like, it's amazing this guy had a career 2129 01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:59.680 in porn because he's like just the like a guy 2130 01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:01.760 you would not think anybody would look at and be like, well, 2131 01:54:01.800 --> 01:54:03.560 there's a hunk and a half, you know what I mean, Like, 2132 01:54:03.640 --> 01:54:07.359 it's so funny. This guy always has like incredible scenes. 2133 01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:10.520 But anyway, he he turns around, he's like, oh my god, 2134 01:54:10.520 --> 01:54:13.720 it's Jennifer Wells. And then she joins him and they start. 2135 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:17.199 She goes down on him, and while she's going down 2136 01:54:17.239 --> 01:54:19.760 on him, you can hear the movie in the background, 2137 01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:23.199 and it's her. It's just audio of her saying more 2138 01:54:23.239 --> 01:54:25.239 more men, give me more dicks, give me more dicks, 2139 01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:29.800 and and she finishes pleasing all the men, and she's like, 2140 01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:31.960 I forget the name of it, but she's like, bring 2141 01:54:32.079 --> 01:54:32.800 bring the horse. 2142 01:54:33.279 --> 01:54:34.439 The horse's name Blackie. 2143 01:54:34.600 --> 01:54:39.000 It's that's right, it was black but not at all, 2144 01:54:39.159 --> 01:54:44.039 not at all. But yeah, that's even funnier that I 2145 01:54:44.079 --> 01:54:47.079 forgot it because that is boy. Well that's a choice. 2146 01:54:47.680 --> 01:54:53.840 But uh, she she's it's implied while she's blowing this 2147 01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:58.359 guy that she's like taking on a horse, like the 2148 01:54:58.359 --> 01:55:01.079 guys are helping her take gone this horse, and she's 2149 01:55:01.119 --> 01:55:03.560 like screening like, oh, yes, you're my favorite. And it's 2150 01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:06.760 obviously like she has such a good sense of humor 2151 01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:10.439 about herself to actually do like adr for that scene 2152 01:55:10.680 --> 01:55:12.760 to to you know what I mean. 2153 01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:15.880 The thing that I was gonna ask because I was 2154 01:55:16.039 --> 01:55:19.199 not sure if these inside series were just like clip 2155 01:55:19.239 --> 01:55:22.760 shows to just kind of like repackage existing scenes that 2156 01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:25.079 maybe they couldn't fit into other movies or something like that. 2157 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:28.279 It seems like these were all shot for this movie, 2158 01:55:28.680 --> 01:55:30.479 and so I was like, is there a different movie 2159 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:32.840 where she fucks a horse, because that's crazy? And I 2160 01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:34.479 was like, no, that can't be right. And so what 2161 01:55:34.560 --> 01:55:37.319 I was picturing is that she's just fucking a guy 2162 01:55:37.439 --> 01:55:39.680 with such a big dick that she calls him a 2163 01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:42.039 horse and then he makes a nighing sound and like 2164 01:55:42.079 --> 01:55:45.720 that's the joke, but it seems like it's entirely that 2165 01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:48.960 it's it's the former, but it's in adr so that 2166 01:55:49.039 --> 01:55:51.000 it's like they can go as extreme as they want 2167 01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:52.319 because it's just the sounds or whatever. 2168 01:55:52.399 --> 01:55:58.199 Right, Well, okay, so yes, you're right, this was shot 2169 01:55:58.239 --> 01:56:04.880 all it like in the moment it was okay, so 2170 01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:07.680 not in the moment. Sorry, I got What I meant 2171 01:56:07.720 --> 01:56:09.880 to say was, yeah, it was shot for this movie specifically, 2172 01:56:11.199 --> 01:56:18.319 as was Deep Inside Any Sprinkle. However, the the Inside 2173 01:56:18.359 --> 01:56:21.199 Little Oral Anni movies, which was also Little Ora An 2174 01:56:21.199 --> 01:56:25.720 He Takes Manhattan. Those two were were not clip shows, 2175 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:28.039 but they were very clearly they just shot a bunch 2176 01:56:28.039 --> 01:56:30.279 of scenes and split them between two movies. They're so 2177 01:56:31.399 --> 01:56:37.279 it's so obvious, and so yeah, this absolutely was something 2178 01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:39.880 they made for the movie, like this was the everything 2179 01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:43.119 before this, nothing was if it was, I'm happy to 2180 01:56:43.159 --> 01:56:47.239 be wrong, but not that I'm aware of. So very 2181 01:56:47.359 --> 01:56:52.960 it's very, very very cool that that she actually like 2182 01:56:53.560 --> 01:56:56.239 was just willing to have so much fun with it, 2183 01:56:56.279 --> 01:56:58.600 you know, I think that's great, Like she has such 2184 01:56:58.600 --> 01:57:00.640 a good sense of humor about herself. But also she's 2185 01:57:00.640 --> 01:57:06.439 so beautiful, like just just but so electric. And so 2186 01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:08.520 now that we've covered that scene, we get to the 2187 01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:13.000 climax of the movie. No pun intended, but she obviously 2188 01:57:13.079 --> 01:57:15.520 it can culminate in only one way, which is a 2189 01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:22.319 bunch of guys having dinner is thank you, Diana. Sorry, 2190 01:57:22.359 --> 01:57:25.359 there's a very funny comment that got place that may 2191 01:57:25.439 --> 01:57:30.279 or may not be from someone I know. And the 2192 01:57:30.319 --> 01:57:33.039 second to last scene is a bunch of men at 2193 01:57:33.079 --> 01:57:40.119 dinner and she is the main course. She basically pleases 2194 01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:44.479 like seven guys because that was like her dream and 2195 01:57:44.920 --> 01:57:48.079 her dream comes true. And then this is the only 2196 01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:52.560 weird thing in the movie that was very very strange 2197 01:57:52.640 --> 01:57:55.279 that I think even as just I guess a sign 2198 01:57:55.319 --> 01:57:55.880 of the times. 2199 01:57:58.520 --> 01:58:01.439 Then this wasn't great. 2200 01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:07.039 All the servers that are working at this dinner party, 2201 01:58:07.439 --> 01:58:10.760 who are all Asian, that part's very important. She then 2202 01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:13.079 lets them all have a go around with her, and 2203 01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:18.720 while it's happening, there is like this weird stereotypical Asian 2204 01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:21.560 song playing like it's just like no, no, no, you 2205 01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:25.399 know that kind of stuff, just real. It's really weird. 2206 01:58:25.800 --> 01:58:28.199 And also clearly, with the exception of one guy, I 2207 01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:31.880 think none of those guys were professional actors. I think 2208 01:58:31.880 --> 01:58:34.520 they're all like amateur guys. I could be wrong, but 2209 01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:37.600 I didn't get the vibe that a lot of those 2210 01:58:37.600 --> 01:58:40.600 guys because they were not they weren't good performers. They 2211 01:58:40.640 --> 01:58:42.920 like got the job done, but they barely got it done. 2212 01:58:44.960 --> 01:58:49.760 So yeah, but then it kind of like it doesn't 2213 01:58:49.760 --> 01:58:52.319 exactly redeem itself. But there's then a shot of her 2214 01:58:52.399 --> 01:58:54.600 laying naked with all the guys kind of surrounding her, 2215 01:58:55.319 --> 01:58:58.439 and this text comes up that says that this is 2216 01:58:58.439 --> 01:59:00.880 all this all actually did have happened. She had sex 2217 01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:03.680 with seventy three guys in one night, and that this 2218 01:59:03.760 --> 01:59:06.520 is this is adapted from her memoirs, which is a 2219 01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:10.560 very funny, tongue in cheek kind of like, just, yeah, 2220 01:59:10.640 --> 01:59:14.399 it doesn't fully redeem the scene that just happened, yes, exactly, 2221 01:59:15.960 --> 01:59:17.880 And uh yeah, I. 2222 01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:20.960 Want to circle back to the lesbian scene real quick, 2223 01:59:21.039 --> 01:59:24.720 because I really liked the other performer. I thought she 2224 01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:28.239 was great. She's like has this very dark like lesbian haircut, 2225 01:59:28.319 --> 01:59:31.760 like tattoos, she's got the like laborous necklace on. I'm like, 2226 01:59:32.039 --> 01:59:34.359 this is my type going on right here, Like this 2227 01:59:34.399 --> 01:59:37.039 is somebody I be friends with in real life, for sure. 2228 01:59:38.279 --> 01:59:40.760 She's like that she's like, I didn't regret a second 2229 01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:42.640 of this. I wasn't sure about it, but it was amazing. 2230 01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:44.279 And then at the end she's like, how'd you like that? 2231 01:59:44.359 --> 01:59:46.960 And she's like, well, yeah, it was nice, but I 2232 01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:48.880 need a dick, you know what I'm saying. And so 2233 01:59:48.960 --> 01:59:51.399 for a second I was like, oh, that's a bummer. 2234 01:59:51.439 --> 01:59:53.159 You gotta you gotta be weird about it. But then 2235 01:59:53.199 --> 01:59:56.159 she was just like, yeah, that checks out, all right, 2236 01:59:56.279 --> 01:59:58.760 and she brings in the guy and it's like here 2237 01:59:58.800 --> 02:00:01.800 you go, and then she and it's like a communal thing. 2238 02:00:02.159 --> 02:00:02.640 I don't know. 2239 02:00:02.840 --> 02:00:04.800 I thought it was nice. It was like we're all 2240 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:09.079 just gonna say what we want and everybody wins. And 2241 02:00:09.119 --> 02:00:11.039 I thought it was a nice scene with like a 2242 02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:16.720 very like clear like lesbian represented without being too weird 2243 02:00:16.760 --> 02:00:21.479 about it, you know, like the exception of like naming 2244 02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:23.920 the horse Blackie and then this like weird Chinese scene 2245 02:00:23.960 --> 02:00:26.119 at the end. Like you know, there's a lot of scenes, 2246 02:00:26.119 --> 02:00:27.840 so your miles may vary, but there was parts of 2247 02:00:27.840 --> 02:00:31.880 this that were more progressive or felt less gross than 2248 02:00:31.920 --> 02:00:35.479 I think the average person tasked with doing this would 2249 02:00:35.479 --> 02:00:36.039 have made it. 2250 02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:39.840 You know, I agree, yeah, wholeheartedly. I think well, because, 2251 02:00:40.039 --> 02:00:42.279 like I said, the Inside series is just basically wall 2252 02:00:42.319 --> 02:00:45.239 to wall sex, and it does give people what they 2253 02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:49.000 paid for. But how they close line that is what 2254 02:00:49.119 --> 02:00:51.800 makes for breaks these films and so this and Deep 2255 02:00:51.800 --> 02:00:54.760 Inside Any Sprinkle, I think both have great clothes lines, 2256 02:00:54.800 --> 02:01:01.960 great New York photography, just great time capsule stuff and 2257 02:01:02.199 --> 02:01:05.439 they're just both very convincing. I think I think for 2258 02:01:05.479 --> 02:01:10.439 Annie sprinklet's because she is she she lives her truth 2259 02:01:10.479 --> 02:01:12.319 when it comes to kink and sex. You know, she's 2260 02:01:12.319 --> 02:01:17.199 still actively involved to this day in that. And I 2261 02:01:17.239 --> 02:01:19.560 think Jennifer Wells is kind of the inverse. She's just 2262 02:01:19.600 --> 02:01:23.680 a great She just has this showmanship. She's just so 2263 02:01:23.680 --> 02:01:29.680 so so magnetic and so beautiful and it's it's actually, 2264 02:01:29.760 --> 02:01:32.119 I think, quite a great note. While the movie doesn't 2265 02:01:32.199 --> 02:01:34.079 end on a good note, I think the movie itself 2266 02:01:34.600 --> 02:01:37.079 is a good because this is the last film she did. 2267 02:01:37.479 --> 02:01:40.119 She very abruptly retired because she married like a rich 2268 02:01:40.159 --> 02:01:43.319 fan and divorced him, probably hustled him, and you know what, 2269 02:01:43.439 --> 02:01:44.239 more power to her. 2270 02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:44.880 Wow. 2271 02:01:45.199 --> 02:01:45.920 And that's a bit. 2272 02:01:45.840 --> 02:01:48.760 Sadder than that she left her oh partner of like 2273 02:01:48.840 --> 02:01:52.359 seventeen years, because like he was less stable financially and 2274 02:01:52.359 --> 02:01:54.399 he was like a traveling musician and like this rich 2275 02:01:54.439 --> 02:01:57.680 guy was like, yo, your set if you marry me, 2276 02:01:57.920 --> 02:02:01.439 but you leave everybody know, you come live with me. 2277 02:02:01.680 --> 02:02:04.560 You stop it with the acting because you're just mine now. 2278 02:02:05.159 --> 02:02:08.439 And she made a very strategic financial decision and was 2279 02:02:08.479 --> 02:02:11.199 with him until he died, I think, but like her 2280 02:02:11.239 --> 02:02:13.560 previous partner died and she was like, yeah, I regretted 2281 02:02:13.560 --> 02:02:16.239 that every single day since then, Like I shouldn't have 2282 02:02:16.319 --> 02:02:19.399 done that, Like I miss him, and like I kind 2283 02:02:19.399 --> 02:02:23.199 of sold my soul to like be comfortable. So it's sad, 2284 02:02:23.399 --> 02:02:25.840 but like it is a nice way to go out 2285 02:02:25.880 --> 02:02:29.119 for like a short lived but very impactful career, you know. 2286 02:02:30.079 --> 02:02:33.000 Yeah, absolutely, especially because the you know, I one of 2287 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:36.000 the few Pikorama doubles I missed was the the one 2288 02:02:36.039 --> 02:02:38.039 from last year, which was just like little Orphan Sammy 2289 02:02:38.319 --> 02:02:40.840 and I forget what the other one was called. 2290 02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:44.520 But I know that's the first title I reviewed on 2291 02:02:44.520 --> 02:02:44.960 the segment. 2292 02:02:46.159 --> 02:02:49.239 Oh oh very cool. Oh I actually remember that now. Yeah, 2293 02:02:49.239 --> 02:02:51.279 because you said it was like really only for real 2294 02:02:51.319 --> 02:02:54.439 heads only, Like it's not something that people should like 2295 02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:57.720 seek out if they want because it's fun. They're just 2296 02:02:57.920 --> 02:02:58.239 in fact. 2297 02:02:58.279 --> 02:03:00.359 Yeah, it's just sort of getting started with this. So 2298 02:03:00.399 --> 02:03:02.520 I was like, there's not too much here, but in retrospect, 2299 02:03:02.520 --> 02:03:04.159 I think there's a lot of stuff there that's fun. 2300 02:03:04.960 --> 02:03:07.039 I think you would like it in particular, so I think. 2301 02:03:06.920 --> 02:03:10.079 Oh, okay, then I'll check it out. Done, Okay, cool, Cool. 2302 02:03:11.199 --> 02:03:15.600 That's good to know because I wasn't sure like it. 2303 02:03:15.760 --> 02:03:18.439 Just it seemed like a weaker double. So I'll next 2304 02:03:18.680 --> 02:03:21.039 when they have the Valentine sale, I'll pick it up. 2305 02:03:22.319 --> 02:03:24.560 But yeah, okay, so now we have to talk about 2306 02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:27.840 one more thing in the special features. This thing it 2307 02:03:27.920 --> 02:03:28.840 is essential. 2308 02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:32.840 It's a short film though does not exist on letterbox 2309 02:03:32.920 --> 02:03:36.119 right now, but I added it to the TMDb database 2310 02:03:36.159 --> 02:03:38.720 and I sent Letterbox an email, so hopefully I'll be 2311 02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:42.560 able to log it soon. What is the name? 2312 02:03:42.760 --> 02:03:43.000 Is it? 2313 02:03:43.560 --> 02:03:49.399 Ball? Box box ball? No box ball? Mm hmm okay, 2314 02:03:50.000 --> 02:03:54.680 so if people listening, it's CBT. It's a CBT. It's 2315 02:03:54.720 --> 02:03:57.800 what is now known as CBT, which stands for cockingball torture. 2316 02:03:58.239 --> 02:03:59.560 Cognitive behavioral therapy. 2317 02:04:00.359 --> 02:04:02.920 Yes, yes, which you're gonna need after you see this. 2318 02:04:04.279 --> 02:04:07.359 And it uh, it's a short film of a couple 2319 02:04:08.159 --> 02:04:12.039 and she just loves this woman who sounds like a 2320 02:04:12.079 --> 02:04:18.760 fifty year old chainsmoker, is obsessed with balls and her 2321 02:04:19.199 --> 02:04:22.680 partner when they're having sex, she does all sorts of 2322 02:04:22.760 --> 02:04:25.680 things to his balls, twisting them any way you can imagine, 2323 02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:29.239 as many times as you can imagine, and eventually fitting 2324 02:04:29.319 --> 02:04:33.479 them in with his dick inside of her. And she 2325 02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:37.319 ends it with saying, hey, if if you, if you 2326 02:04:37.359 --> 02:04:39.159 have a guy with big balls, why don't you tell 2327 02:04:39.199 --> 02:04:43.159 him to give me a call? And it has to 2328 02:04:43.199 --> 02:04:48.239 be seen to be believed how she tortures this guy 2329 02:04:48.359 --> 02:04:50.439 because the it's I don't even know if it's torture, 2330 02:04:50.439 --> 02:04:53.279 but when it cuts to it, yeah. 2331 02:04:53.119 --> 02:04:56.039 Almost like medically unsound at a certain point where I'm 2332 02:04:56.079 --> 02:04:56.880 like what. 2333 02:04:56.600 --> 02:05:00.439 When And it cuts to his face at a certain point, 2334 02:05:00.439 --> 02:05:04.359 and the face that he makes is just incredible because 2335 02:05:04.359 --> 02:05:06.319 it's just like he clearly at a certain point has 2336 02:05:06.359 --> 02:05:10.359 clocked out. So this is a feature you could watch 2337 02:05:10.399 --> 02:05:11.920 on the Blu ray. I did not watch it on 2338 02:05:11.960 --> 02:05:14.600 the Blu ray. I was lucky enough about two and 2339 02:05:14.600 --> 02:05:17.520 a half years ago to see this short on thirty 2340 02:05:17.520 --> 02:05:25.520 five millimeter. It screened, so Phil, the programmer at the 2341 02:05:25.520 --> 02:05:29.239 New Beverly, gave Joe Rubin a night of Vinegar Syndrome 2342 02:05:29.319 --> 02:05:36.680 night sort of of two adult features. He showed Farewell 2343 02:05:36.720 --> 02:05:40.920 Scarlet and Kitty's Pleasure Palace, which I don't think to 2344 02:05:40.960 --> 02:05:45.159 this day has a Blu ray release. It's a very 2345 02:05:44.359 --> 02:05:49.079 it's oh, I yeah, and it's really fun with the crowd. 2346 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:51.560 It's really fun with the crowd. But he put box 2347 02:05:51.600 --> 02:05:55.880 Ball in front of Farewell Scarlet and it was sold 2348 02:05:55.920 --> 02:05:59.000 out and the audience was losing their minds. It was 2349 02:05:59.039 --> 02:06:03.399 an incredible collect experienced there truly is nothing like it 2350 02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:05.119 you had And I was. 2351 02:06:05.079 --> 02:06:06.840 Like, all right, what is what am I in for? 2352 02:06:06.960 --> 02:06:09.000 And I was like, okay, yeah, this is pretty incredible. 2353 02:06:09.119 --> 02:06:13.920 But to see as a surprise, that's like, I don't. 2354 02:06:13.720 --> 02:06:19.079 Know, yeah on celluloid no less like I can't obviously 2355 02:06:19.159 --> 02:06:21.039 like when this back in its day when it was made, 2356 02:06:21.039 --> 02:06:23.199 I'm sure it made the rounds in some capacity on 2357 02:06:23.319 --> 02:06:26.079 like loops, but the fact that someone blew this up 2358 02:06:26.079 --> 02:06:28.800 to thirty five and put it somewhere is just kind 2359 02:06:28.800 --> 02:06:33.039 of incredible. So it's amazing. I'm so grateful that he 2360 02:06:34.399 --> 02:06:39.000 put that included that with the with the two movies. 2361 02:06:39.399 --> 02:06:42.319 But yeah, I even say it to my letterbox review 2362 02:06:42.479 --> 02:06:45.399 just on that short a loan. You need to get 2363 02:06:45.399 --> 02:06:47.159 this Blu ray. But no, I think it's a it's 2364 02:06:47.159 --> 02:06:49.800 a very worthwhile Blu ray. It's packed with features, it's 2365 02:06:49.800 --> 02:06:52.920 a super fun movie and and and it also just 2366 02:06:52.920 --> 02:06:58.319 has this incredible short that is it should be. It 2367 02:06:58.319 --> 02:07:00.560 should be viewed with a crowd. It'd be like, get 2368 02:07:00.560 --> 02:07:02.960 some friends, be like, all right, guys, I'm gonna watch 2369 02:07:03.319 --> 02:07:03.880 sneak get. 2370 02:07:03.720 --> 02:07:10.039 Into a movie marathon and just let that happen. Yeah, 2371 02:07:10.039 --> 02:07:13.119 this is a When I started it, I was like, okay, 2372 02:07:13.119 --> 02:07:15.279 so it's a short film, presumably she's in it. And 2373 02:07:15.319 --> 02:07:17.079 then I was like starting I was like, that's not 2374 02:07:17.359 --> 02:07:19.159 Jennifer Wells. When is she going to show up? And 2375 02:07:19.199 --> 02:07:22.239 it never happens And I was like okay, So I 2376 02:07:22.239 --> 02:07:24.439 looked it up and apparently this was something that was 2377 02:07:24.479 --> 02:07:28.000 played before inside Jennifer Wells, like on its cretical run, 2378 02:07:28.079 --> 02:07:30.520 and that's why it's Yeah, so that's cool for like 2379 02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:34.760 historical posterity, but also it's just it's a thing worth preserving. 2380 02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:38.359 I think, oh one thousand percent. And for people wondering 2381 02:07:38.399 --> 02:07:40.880 when I'm saying what the couple looks like, it's it 2382 02:07:40.920 --> 02:07:42.479 looks more like a couple that would be out of 2383 02:07:42.520 --> 02:07:46.840 like Batpussy m hm. So if anyone knows that movie 2384 02:07:47.239 --> 02:07:50.079 that kind of it almost looks like regional, Like it's 2385 02:07:50.119 --> 02:07:54.079 crazy to think that like somehow this this got looped 2386 02:07:54.079 --> 02:07:58.479 in with with like a very relatively classy affair. By comparison, 2387 02:07:59.439 --> 02:07:59.880 I will. 2388 02:07:59.760 --> 02:08:03.600 Say she wasn't wrong. His balls are huge and like, yeah, 2389 02:08:03.680 --> 02:08:07.560 it was impressive, so. 2390 02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:09.000 Right, and the fact that she got them in there, 2391 02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:11.039 it's like this must have been like a traveling show 2392 02:08:11.119 --> 02:08:13.760 or something at like sex club at like strip clubs 2393 02:08:13.800 --> 02:08:14.239 or something. 2394 02:08:16.760 --> 02:08:20.439 Well, on that note, I think that's everything. Yeah, there's 2395 02:08:20.439 --> 02:08:22.000 a booklet in here that I didn't get a chance 2396 02:08:22.039 --> 02:08:23.439 to read all of it, but I read some of 2397 02:08:23.479 --> 02:08:26.840 it and it's by Ashley West, so that means, without fail, 2398 02:08:26.880 --> 02:08:29.800 it's worth reading. Get it for sure it should be 2399 02:08:29.840 --> 02:08:32.520 on the standard edition because it's just a booklet, which 2400 02:08:32.560 --> 02:08:38.520 is nice for my shelf space and my my I 2401 02:08:38.520 --> 02:08:41.119 don't feel the need to instigate FOMO by being like, yeah, 2402 02:08:41.159 --> 02:08:43.359 I got this limited editions a great essay like it's 2403 02:08:43.399 --> 02:08:46.840 just in there. I'm probably gonna hang up that fireworks 2404 02:08:46.880 --> 02:08:51.399 woman poster yes in my house, and let that be 2405 02:08:51.479 --> 02:08:53.760 a barometer for who is cool enough to hang out 2406 02:08:53.760 --> 02:08:59.760 with me, and uh's that's it. I think smaller crowds 2407 02:08:59.800 --> 02:09:01.560 and I but that's okay. I had a lot of 2408 02:09:01.560 --> 02:09:04.640 fun doing this, and I want to thank you for 2409 02:09:04.720 --> 02:09:06.680 your time. We've been here for two and a half hours, 2410 02:09:07.079 --> 02:09:09.479 so yeah, I appreciate it. 2411 02:09:10.479 --> 02:09:13.159 No, thank you, Celesta. This is always a blast. I'm 2412 02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:15.399 always down to talk the mill you see inside of 2413 02:09:15.439 --> 02:09:17.319 the equation when it comes to ultification. 2414 02:09:17.560 --> 02:09:20.600 Maybe not live, but we might have to record a 2415 02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:23.760 conversation for November because it's so intimidating and like, it's 2416 02:09:23.760 --> 02:09:25.560 a lot and I think that it would make for 2417 02:09:25.600 --> 02:09:26.640 a fruitful conversation. 2418 02:09:27.399 --> 02:09:30.159 Oh. I agree, And let's bring Chris back for some 2419 02:09:30.199 --> 02:09:32.039 of it too, because I think, you know, he actually 2420 02:09:32.079 --> 02:09:34.520 watched Behind the Green Door, but there's more Sato and 2421 02:09:34.560 --> 02:09:37.880 there's more like Also, I'm so hyped even if the 2422 02:09:37.880 --> 02:09:40.800 movies don't impress, I'm very hyped to talk about the 2423 02:09:40.800 --> 02:09:45.640 distrip picks double and finally a Jess Franco Porno, which 2424 02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:48.960 is like, you know, they're not all very good, but 2425 02:09:49.920 --> 02:09:52.439 this one supposedly is. I actually this is a blind 2426 02:09:52.439 --> 02:09:54.720 spot for me, so I'm like really really so I 2427 02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:56.479 totally would be down for a November chat. 2428 02:09:56.640 --> 02:09:58.119 Let's do it, you know what, And like, also, I'm 2429 02:09:58.119 --> 02:10:00.199 going to be doing the Kannie release too, I think 2430 02:10:00.239 --> 02:10:03.039 and I think, And before we started recording, Chris was like, oh, 2431 02:10:03.039 --> 02:10:04.520 I wish we were talking about this tonight, so you 2432 02:10:04.520 --> 02:10:07.399 know what, we might do another another three way for 2433 02:10:07.520 --> 02:10:10.119 November and just do it pre recorded. 2434 02:10:10.319 --> 02:10:13.119 Yeah, good watch. I forgot. I forgot that that was 2435 02:10:13.159 --> 02:10:16.279 in my That was in my November box. It was 2436 02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:18.760 such a tall order included the Center Park. 2437 02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:21.439 Very cute and charming, which is not something I typically 2438 02:10:21.479 --> 02:10:24.279 expect from the know you've seen side of things, but 2439 02:10:25.000 --> 02:10:28.479 especially not overtly a porn because like that usually means 2440 02:10:28.479 --> 02:10:30.880 it's like got some more transgressive sexual elements in it 2441 02:10:31.000 --> 02:10:32.880 or something. But I don't know. I guess we'll see. 2442 02:10:33.439 --> 02:10:35.239 But that's what y'all have to look forward to for 2443 02:10:35.319 --> 02:10:37.520 next time. I can't guarantee when it'll be out because 2444 02:10:37.560 --> 02:10:40.119 it is, I mean, truly an establishing stack that I 2445 02:10:40.199 --> 02:10:42.439 have to get through and I only have but I 2446 02:10:42.880 --> 02:10:46.279 do have multiple jobs and a social life and I 2447 02:10:46.279 --> 02:10:48.800 can't just be watching porn all day like I did today. 2448 02:10:49.199 --> 02:10:54.800 We'll see, and hey, in congrats on the the the 2449 02:10:54.840 --> 02:10:57.960 new wave the announcement. Thank you for that. Very cool, 2450 02:10:58.079 --> 02:10:58.760 very cool, Thank you. 2451 02:10:58.800 --> 02:11:00.840 I really appreciate that. There's more on the way. I 2452 02:11:00.840 --> 02:11:04.119 can't reveal anything, but there's definitely more to come. So 2453 02:11:05.359 --> 02:11:13.560 we're out here doing the thing. Professional critic officially. Hell yeah, congrats, 2454 02:11:14.000 --> 02:11:18.920 Thank you all right, thanks you'all for being here. 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