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Speaker 2: And at eleven o'clock we continue with American history on
Speaker 2: the radio. Joining us will be my buddy Eric Page,
Speaker 2: who I worked with early in my career in Chattanooga, Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and then in Nashville, and then finally here in Cincinnati.
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Speaker 2: those are the last two hours. And in this first hour, well,
Speaker 2: the fur ball is here, and you know, with Andy,
Speaker 2: you get what you get, and it's usually pretty fun
Speaker 2: when we get going together. But next is doctor Marty McCarey,
Speaker 2: who was one of the voices of sanity, one of
Speaker 2: the medical voices of sanity in my opinion, during COVID.
Speaker 2: He is from Johns Hopkins. He is well respected throughout
Speaker 2: the medical industry, even though sometimes he goes against the
Speaker 2: grain of what the medical pharmaceutical complex is telling us
Speaker 2: all we should do. We'll get into that. Plus his
Speaker 2: new book Blind Spots, which is about that medical industry
Speaker 2: and how sometimes because of their hubris, they do more
Speaker 2: harm than good. It's the Nightcap. Let's get it rolling
Speaker 2: next with doctor Marty mcarey on seven hundred.
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Speaker 2: On Hopkins Medical Expert doctor Marty McCarry, New York's Times
Speaker 2: best selling author of The Price We Pay, which was
Speaker 2: an eye opening book, and look at the medical group think,
Speaker 2: which I think we've seen a whole lot of in
Speaker 2: the last four or five years that has led to
Speaker 2: public harm and what you need to know about your health.
Speaker 2: The new book is Blind Spots, and this is a
Speaker 2: book that kind of continues that narrative, but it talks
Speaker 2: about things like this explosion of peanut allergies amongst children.
Speaker 2: It's now number two on Amazon best selling books in
Speaker 2: the country. And once again we welcome to the Nightcap
Speaker 2: doctor Marty McCary.
Speaker 3: How are you, doctor yay good, Thanks so much for
Speaker 3: having me.
Speaker 4: Good to be with you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times the experts so called get
Speaker 2: it wrong and speaking specifically about the peanut allergy explosion
Speaker 2: among children, there were doctors. The American Academy of Pediatrics No.
Speaker 2: Less and two thousand issued a strict recommendation that parents
Speaker 2: avoid giving their children peanut products until they're three years old,
Speaker 2: which I mean when I was one and two years old,
Speaker 2: we were outside. We were eating dirt, doctor, literally and
Speaker 2: you know, not because we didn't have anything else to eat,
Speaker 2: but you know that our parents knew instinctively. I guess
Speaker 2: from their raising they're growing up that kids need to
Speaker 2: be exposed to things so they'll develop immunities to certain
Speaker 2: possible allergens.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot of wisdom to the dirt theory.
Speaker 3: And actually it's basically true when you're exposed to allergens
Speaker 3: early in life, in the first couple of years of life,
Speaker 3: your body learns to tolerate them. And that's why it's
Speaker 3: important for young kids infants, when they're five to six
Speaker 3: seven months of age, to get a little bit of
Speaker 3: peanut butter. Sometimes a little milk and eggs is also recommended.
Speaker 3: But we have an epidemic of medical dogma, an illusion
Speaker 3: of consensus among medical experts. When there's really no scientific
Speaker 3: support they're saying, and they issue these blanket broad health
Speaker 3: recommendations with such absolutism, when the reality is they're just
Speaker 3: making things up. We saw that a little bit during COVID,
Speaker 3: but the peanut allergy epidemic in the United States was
Speaker 3: essentially ignited by the medical establishment ordering mothers to avoid
Speaker 3: all peanut butter and peanut products for kids zero through
Speaker 3: three years of age for fifteen years. They were saying
Speaker 3: that with such absolutism, and it was really just eight
Speaker 3: years ago that we got the definitive basic research study
Speaker 3: where they randomized children to each approach and found that
Speaker 3: peanut avoidance early in life didn't prevent penadnalergies. It caused them,
Speaker 3: including the new type of super severe allergic reaction. They
Speaker 3: don't have this problem in Africa and other places of
Speaker 3: the world. This is an American epidemic. We're the worst
Speaker 3: pen analogy crisis in the world, ignited by the medical
Speaker 3: establishment's dogmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is something in the medical profession, I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're well aware of, called standard of care, and it
Speaker 2: exists in these big hospital groups amongst doctors and nurses
Speaker 2: and sometimes the accepted standard of care actually is exactly
Speaker 2: the opposite of that. It's not care at all, because again,
Speaker 2: you're looking for cookie cutter, blanket kind of consensus decisions
Speaker 2: and recommendations that I mean, we are all. We are
Speaker 2: all as human beings. And see if you'll agree with
Speaker 2: me on this, doctor McCarry, We are all. I hate
Speaker 2: the term snowflakes because in my opinion, we're all snowflakes.
Speaker 2: We are all individuals, and we all have different compositions
Speaker 2: of our bodies and our body systems and our microbiomes.
Speaker 2: And to say that this one thing, this one size
Speaker 2: fits all, is kind of bast agward, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Yes, And there's a certain arrogance to it. You don't
Speaker 3: hear any humility when the medical establishment gets things wrong,
Speaker 3: be it with our biggest health recommendations like the food pyramid,
Speaker 3: or policies during COVID that hurt kids. You don't see
Speaker 3: an apology. I haven't heard of any apologies.
Speaker 4: And that's why.
Speaker 3: There's an epidemic of mistrust right now. Mistrust is at
Speaker 3: an all time high. I mean, only forty percent of
Speaker 3: the public trust doctors and hospitals. In a recent gem
Speaker 3: On Network study that just got public.
Speaker 4: It was seventy.
Speaker 3: Percent just five years ago. So public trust and profession
Speaker 3: has gone down thirty percentage points in just a matter
Speaker 3: of four and a half years. I wish the medical establishment,
Speaker 3: with all their vigor and absolutism and insistence, would spend
Speaker 3: a little bit of time looking at their own blind
Speaker 3: spots of actually talking about the real issues, the root
Speaker 3: causes of our disease epidemic, the poison food supply that
Speaker 3: we have, the engineered chemicals that go into our food
Speaker 3: as ingredients, pesticides that have hormonal properties in children, and
Speaker 3: the ultra processed foods that we take in with added sugar.
Speaker 3: How we strip bread of its fiber and turn it
Speaker 3: into sugar by tapping it up. We have done a
Speaker 3: terrible thing to children in this country, and we have
Speaker 3: a chronic disease epidemic. We're now hearing finally some people
Speaker 3: talk about. But we have the sickest country in the
Speaker 3: history of world, and we can't just keep medicating people.
Speaker 3: It's not the solution to just have more and more medications.
Speaker 2: Well it's not a blank and endorsement either, but this
Speaker 2: is some of the things that Robert F. Kennedy Junior
Speaker 2: was talking about and you never hear anybody talk about
Speaker 2: it in political circles, you know, And I think it's
Speaker 2: about time that somebody is at least raising that awareness
Speaker 2: and talking about it in those circles. The book is
Speaker 2: blind Spots when medicine gets it wrong and what it
Speaker 2: means for our health. Is it just humorous or is it?
Speaker 2: Is there coercion among these big medical institutions and associations
Speaker 2: that encourage We heard stories of a lot of doctors
Speaker 2: being threatened with their licenses for you know, wanting to
Speaker 2: prescribe hydroxychloroquin for example, in treatment of early COVID. We've
Speaker 2: we've heard people being threatened. We've we've seen people doctors
Speaker 2: being blackballed for not going along with the end quotation
Speaker 2: marks consensus about things like that. Is it just hubrius
Speaker 2: or is there something deeper and darker at play? Do
Speaker 2: you think, doctor McCarry, well, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's mostly group think. But for the small people
Speaker 3: at the top of medicine, the oligarchs in our priesthood
Speaker 3: of the medical establishment that tell us what we can
Speaker 3: and cannot talk about, it does.
Speaker 5: Get pretty dark.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at their gigantic mistakes and
Speaker 3: the medical establishment saying opioids were not addictive for thirty years,
Speaker 3: igniting the opio epidemic, getting the food pyramid wrong for
Speaker 3: sixty years, igniting the obesity epidemic today, getting hormone replacement
Speaker 3: therapy wrong, trying to scare women away from it, causing
Speaker 3: needless suffering. In all of those examples that I go
Speaker 3: through in the book, they crushed the descending doctor's opinions.
Speaker 4: Doctors has said.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, there's no science to support this, we
Speaker 3: can't put this out there with such absolutism, and they
Speaker 3: were crushed. And so when you have the keys to
Speaker 3: the kingdom at the top of the establishment, it's easy
Speaker 3: to just suppress.
Speaker 5: People who disagree with you.
Speaker 3: But that's not how science has done. Science has always
Speaker 3: been about challenging deeply held assumptions, and maybe right now
Speaker 3: in American medicine today, we need to recognize that we're
Speaker 3: going down a bad path. We have the sickest generation
Speaker 3: in the history of the world. Autism goes up fourteen
Speaker 3: percent every year for the last twenty three years. Half
Speaker 3: of our nation's kids are obese or pre diabetic or overweight,
Speaker 3: and cancer rates have doubled in my field of pancreatic cancer.
Speaker 4: Where are we going?
Speaker 3: We have to stop and look at the big picture.
Speaker 3: We need fresh new ideas. That we have had terrible
Speaker 3: leaders in the medical establishment.
Speaker 5: We're going down a bad path.
Speaker 3: Maybe we need to talk more about treating diabetes with
Speaker 3: cooking classes than just throwing insulent people. Maybe we need
Speaker 3: to talk about school lunch programs, not just putting every
Speaker 3: overweight kid on ozembic.
Speaker 2: Well, I came into my doctor's appointment five years ago.
Speaker 2: Was the first time I'd seen a doctor in thirty
Speaker 2: five years, doctor McCarry. So I was expecting terrible news,
Speaker 2: which I got chronic high pertension type two diabetes. My
Speaker 2: A one C was nine point two and the first
Speaker 2: thing they did for that was put me on met Forman.
Speaker 2: Now I've been on met Forman ever since. I have
Speaker 2: altered my diet slightly. My A one C is down.
Speaker 2: But I'm also because I have some you know, mild
Speaker 2: heart disease and had some some minor blockages. I'm on
Speaker 2: a tour of statin. Are Americans on too mini statins
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 3: In your opinion, Well, it's ironic that we put people
Speaker 3: on statins because we believe it lowers their LiPo proteins
Speaker 3: and cholesterol and therefore or it has long term benefits.
Speaker 3: But there was an interesting study that showed that people
Speaker 3: lived a little longer if they took Satan's, regardless of
Speaker 3: the cholesterol was high.
Speaker 4: And that suggests that.
Speaker 3: The benefit from Satan's may not be the liftid lowering effect.
Speaker 3: It may actually be the anti inflammatory effect that Satan's give. Now,
Speaker 3: thats have side effects like every medication, so we may
Speaker 3: have missed the mark, but actually saved some lives or
Speaker 3: extended lives almost accidentally with some staatens.
Speaker 2: You did recommend the COVID vaccines for adults but not
Speaker 2: for kids, and uh, I guess this is the thing.
Speaker 2: And but you were against the mandates. That's why you
Speaker 2: were one of my champions in this. I've never taken
Speaker 2: one jab. My wife didn't either. We just decided it
Speaker 2: wasn't for us. And and then that's that's with type
Speaker 2: two diabetes and hypertension. You know, I was in one
Speaker 2: of those targeted at risk groups. And I'm sixty something
Speaker 2: years old now, so but I just I said, no,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think that it's it's been tested enough.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I think it was passed through too fast. But they
Speaker 2: come up with these new strain vaccines now, and there's
Speaker 2: a new one out now for the latest strain of
Speaker 2: this terrible, this terrible common cold that was you know,
Speaker 2: put upon the whole world from a lab in Wuhan.
Speaker 2: So you recommended the vaccines for adults, but not for kids.
Speaker 2: Why not for kids?
Speaker 4: Doctor?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, initially the COVID vaccine provided some
Speaker 3: transient protection maybe three three to six months of decent
Speaker 3: protection against the original virus that was circulating at the
Speaker 3: time when the vaccines came out, and that benefit was
Speaker 3: not really there for people who already recovered from COVID
Speaker 3: and had natural immunity, or for young, healthy kids who
Speaker 3: had essentially zero risk of death from COVID. But you
Speaker 3: wouldn't hear a nuanced message. Instead, the medical establishment does
Speaker 3: what it tends to do. It has a group think.
Speaker 3: If you look at what they did, at what our
Speaker 3: government did, it's unconscionable. They fired the two doctors at
Speaker 3: the FDA who opposed the COVID vaccine booster for children.
Speaker 3: They sirened it through the regulatory process. They then forced
Speaker 3: it on the public and silenced any doctor who disagreed,
Speaker 3: And so that is the most dangerous thing a government
Speaker 3: can do. No, I don't support the COVID booster shots
Speaker 3: in young healthy people until I see a clinical trial
Speaker 3: or some strong evidence first. Because the pharma believes that
Speaker 3: they own the FDA and the NIH and CDC do
Speaker 3: them what to do. Yeah, they're telling them what to do,
Speaker 3: but they don't own those agency. They belonged to the
Speaker 3: American people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just had a lot of questions and a lot
Speaker 2: of skepticism about the vaccine because it wasn't a vaccine
Speaker 2: in the truest term as we knew it.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: The mRNA was as some people have described it as
Speaker 2: a vax gene because it was more gene therapy than
Speaker 2: it was what we think of as a vaccine. And
Speaker 2: the other thing that bothered me doctor McCurry about the
Speaker 2: entirety of the COVID nineteen vaccine rollout was that if
Speaker 2: you go if you go on TV and you look
Speaker 2: at any ad for any drug, prescription drug, about half
Speaker 2: of the ads is listing the possible bad side effects
Speaker 2: of that. There were never any list of bad side
Speaker 2: effects other than pain at the injection site for the
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen vaccines, and I just found that odd.
Speaker 1: Don't you think that's odd.
Speaker 6: Well, they overcounted COVID hospitalizations, making the virus looked more
Speaker 6: dangerous than it really was, and they undercounted COVID vaccine
Speaker 6: complications and vaccine injuries, making the vaccine look safer than
Speaker 6: it really was.
Speaker 3: So they were very intellectually dishonest during COVID. And the
Speaker 3: tragedy of the whole thing was that the entire nightmare
Speaker 3: of COVID, the prolonged school closures, the learning loss that
Speaker 3: were now we just learned from a Brown University study
Speaker 3: equated to twelve IQ points, and the twenty eight million
Speaker 3: people that may have died was all avoidable, almost certainly
Speaker 3: in high likelihood, had we not had the most dangerous
Speaker 3: industrial accident in the history of the world. And that
Speaker 3: is researchers in a lab working on a back coronavirus
Speaker 3: trying to manipulate it, allowing it to leak out of
Speaker 3: the lab. And that's what, interestingly, no one really wants
Speaker 3: to talk about.
Speaker 2: Doctor Martin McCary. The book is Blind Spots. It's brand new,
Speaker 2: it's just out when medicine gets it wrong and what
Speaker 2: it means for our health. I'm looking forward to tearing
Speaker 2: into this, doctor, because I really appreciate your candor and
Speaker 2: your ability to speak out, and you know you are
Speaker 2: accepted as an expert from Johns Hopkins in your field
Speaker 2: and speaking out about what we need to think about
Speaker 2: as far as our health and medicine goes, and maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit of railing against the establishment that you
Speaker 2: talk about in this book.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time so much.
Speaker 3: Great to be with you, Thanks for having me, and
Speaker 3: I hope you enjoy the book.
Speaker 2: Absolutely looking forward to it. That's doctor Marty McCoy.
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Speaker 8: Any more information about the suspect while the investigators look
Speaker 8: for a motive with the nine point thirty report, I'm
Speaker 8: Sean Galviagher breaking now an investigation by the FBI and
Speaker 8: it's early stages as a man is suspected of trying
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Speaker 8: at his course Sunday afternoon. The Secret Service saying Ryan
Speaker 8: Rauth never got a shot off, and Trump was never
Speaker 8: in his line of sight. Ohious Senator and Trump's running
Speaker 8: bay JD. Vans now calling for a reduction in the
Speaker 8: ridiculous and inflammatory political rhetoric coming from too many corners
Speaker 8: of our politics. Yet he only called out one corner
Speaker 8: as he spoke to the Faith and Freedom Coalition dinner
Speaker 8: in Atlanta tonight.
Speaker 9: No one has tried to kill Kamala Harris in the
Speaker 9: last couple of months, and two people now have tried
Speaker 9: to kill Donald Trump in the last couple of months.
Speaker 9: I'd say that's pretty strong evidence that the left needs
Speaker 9: to tone down the rhetoric and needs to cut this
Speaker 9: crap out.
Speaker 5: Somebody's gonna get hurt by it.
Speaker 8: But Vans and Trump have continued to push a false
Speaker 8: online claim that Haitian migrants living in Springfield, Ohio llegally
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Speaker 8: Force will be deployed to secure and do daily sweeps
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Speaker 8: The Cincinnati man will spend ten years in prison after
Speaker 8: admitting he sold fentanyl and laundered money from those sales.
Speaker 8: Nathaniel Williams last year, told an undercover agent he had
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Speaker 8: agents acted on a search warrant, finding more than forty
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Speaker 8: Compartments the Ohio Supreme Court ordering that minor changes be
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, is your energy bill sky high again?
Speaker 4: Too?
Speaker 1: Not anymore? My windows were so lead.
Speaker 2: To shoot the whatever with the fur ball. Andy Furman
Speaker 2: is joining us. They I understand that, Andy. They call
Speaker 2: you at the ups store, Old yeller? Is that true?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 13: Y E L L A yellow like a yell and scream,
Speaker 13: you know, not yeller like yellow like yellow?
Speaker 1: Do you find do you find yourself.
Speaker 2: Do you find yourself tending to just break out in
Speaker 2: these fits every once in a whileland public places? I mean,
Speaker 2: have you seen a doctor about this? Maybe a psychotherapist
Speaker 2: or something about this?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 2: You you have this pension for just breaking out into
Speaker 2: full blown, full volume yelling, And I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's normal or not.
Speaker 1: Maybe it is for you. What do you think?
Speaker 13: Well, you didn't even freaking well, first of all, you
Speaker 13: didn't even freaking introduce me.
Speaker 5: That's number one.
Speaker 2: The first thing I said, another night with the fer ball.
Speaker 2: What else do you want?
Speaker 13: Well, it's usually it's usually a bigger intro than that,
Speaker 13: But that's okay. Next thing is, I have a tendency
Speaker 13: to break out not only in public, but in private.
Speaker 13: And I did it yesterday when I.
Speaker 5: Was watching the Bengals Chiefs game. I broke out and said,
Speaker 5: what the hell is going on?
Speaker 13: You got three turnovers by Kansas City that had a
Speaker 13: clean game on the Bengals for Borrow's part, And I
Speaker 13: saw that the.
Speaker 5: Thing just vanish away, vanish away.
Speaker 13: I mean, I rather lose my three touchdowns than lose
Speaker 13: like that.
Speaker 2: Well, how many times in the Bengals recent pastor or
Speaker 2: not so recent past have some stupid injuries or some
Speaker 2: stupid penalties cost the Bengals a football game. And Anthony,
Speaker 2: you know, God bless him. He's a rookie. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that was past interference playing and simple and all you
Speaker 2: got to do to get into Harrison. Butker's range for
Speaker 2: a winning field goal is somewhere on the field.
Speaker 1: I mean, that guy's amazing.
Speaker 5: Way.
Speaker 13: You're right, I will tell you this much. I have
Speaker 13: no problem with the rookie nicking that mistaken It was
Speaker 13: the right call. It was pissed of the fearence. What
Speaker 13: led up to that, it was the blowout to melt
Speaker 13: down of Jamar Chase.
Speaker 5: I mean that hurt too, with that fifteen yard penalty
Speaker 5: on him.
Speaker 13: I mean, to control yourself. I'm borrowed at the very
Speaker 13: best he could to try to separate it from the official.
Speaker 13: I'm sure the magic Gordy said to the official was
Speaker 13: not where are we going to eat after the game?
Speaker 13: I'm sure that was not the magic word.
Speaker 2: No, he was pretty animated at that point. And I'm
Speaker 2: the same way you are. I'm just sitting there and
Speaker 2: I'm a Kansas City fan. I'm going Jamar, shut up.
Speaker 2: The plays over they made the call, just go back
Speaker 2: to the huddle. But no, he couldn't help himself.
Speaker 4: Right what.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, and it's not just about
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, it's about me watching the NFL over the
Speaker 2: last twenty years. It's been at least twenty years, maybe
Speaker 2: a quarter century, maybe longer than that. Andy, Why are
Speaker 2: all these star wide receivers. Why do they all devolve
Speaker 2: into these incomparable divas when it just because they can
Speaker 2: catch a football. Jamar Chase is no better now than
Speaker 2: Terrell Owens or any of the rest of them we've
Speaker 2: seen over time, who just think that they are so
Speaker 2: damned important that only they matter.
Speaker 1: It's me, me, me, me me, don't you agree?
Speaker 13: I'll tell you if you want to go back to
Speaker 13: I dodeed this day are There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 5: And their paycheck represents that as well.
Speaker 13: However, let me go back and explain this whole thing started.
Speaker 5: With the era of Dan Marino.
Speaker 13: I called Dan Marino, the former quarterback of the Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 13: the godfather of the forward pass.
Speaker 5: He basically changed the game of.
Speaker 13: Football where it has become a passing rather than.
Speaker 5: A running game.
Speaker 13: However, However, if you look through statistics. I'm not a
Speaker 13: statistic geet, the great Lance McAllister is, but I tell
Speaker 13: this Lance may want to check this out. Eleven of
Speaker 13: the fifteen teams last year that went postseason, okay, e
Speaker 13: love of the fifteen seas had great records and great
Speaker 13: seasons last year had more touchdowns.
Speaker 5: By way of the run than the pass.
Speaker 13: And the last several weeks in the NFL, the last
Speaker 13: two weeks is they're more rushing than passing. Look at
Speaker 13: the stats of the LA Charges what they have done.
Speaker 13: They have outrushed their passing stats over the last two weeks.
Speaker 5: Because Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 13: Believes on the three odds in the Cloud of Dust,
Speaker 13: I think the game is transforming right now and moving
Speaker 13: back towards the run game. Why the run game is
Speaker 13: a valuable tool because A it eats up the clock.
Speaker 13: B you control the line of scrimmage and can move
Speaker 13: for first downs. And see it keeps the better players
Speaker 13: on the other team, like a Patrick Mahomes off the field.
Speaker 5: So the running game is coming back.
Speaker 13: You know, the game is not new, there's nothing new
Speaker 13: that's going to be involved in the game of football.
Speaker 5: But things do change.
Speaker 13: They go back the more things over the past. Are
Speaker 13: they come back to the future. If you get what
Speaker 13: I'm saying, I.
Speaker 2: Get your drift, baby, And I'm telling you what. The
Speaker 2: most eye popping game that I got to see yesterday
Speaker 2: was dead New Orleans Saints taking a part of the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys in front of God, Jerry Jones and all
Speaker 2: those faithful at that stadium in Dallas in Arlington, and
Speaker 2: I just, man, the Saints are for real, man, And
Speaker 2: that's an offensive machine.
Speaker 1: They've done it two weeks in a row.
Speaker 13: Now, well, here's the thing. I mean, when things let
Speaker 13: that happen, you scratch head, say why is it happening?
Speaker 13: They got a new offensive coordinator, but they have Kurt Kubiak,
Speaker 13: and he scored thirty seven points the first game, forty
Speaker 13: seven points yesterday.
Speaker 5: He's got him going.
Speaker 13: And no one thought that the quarterback situation nor Leans
Speaker 13: would be that good for them to be that competitive
Speaker 13: right now, and they are, okay. Offensive coordinator Joe Hardy
Speaker 13: basically in Buffalo basic goed like something like sixty five
Speaker 13: points in their first two bowl games. It's about coaching,
Speaker 13: It's about systems. It's about people who coach and evolve
Speaker 13: into the system. And the players that they have. All Right,
Speaker 13: everybody thought that would Buffalo lot Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 5: They'd be down the dumps. They're good.
Speaker 13: You got to stay Buffalo right now is a potential
Speaker 13: Super Bowl contender, maybe even more so than the Bengals.
Speaker 2: I've been watching the Jacksonville game a little bit of that,
Speaker 2: the Jags game. And they've got that pool out in
Speaker 2: the stadium for fans to swim in.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that?
Speaker 2: And I'm just we were having that discussion back during
Speaker 2: the Olympics about the athletes peeing in the pool during
Speaker 2: the swimming events.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much DNA is in.
Speaker 2: A pool with all those little kids out there at
Speaker 2: a football game?
Speaker 1: And do you like that? Do you like that these venues.
Speaker 2: That are designed for people watching sports teams have all
Speaker 2: these other little amenities on the side. I think it
Speaker 2: really is a detraction from the game.
Speaker 13: I think course of a want to apologize at the offense.
Speaker 13: The offensive coordinate for the football those is Joe Brady,
Speaker 13: not Joe Harty. So let me get all right, all right,
Speaker 13: First of all, if I'm going to a football game,
Speaker 13: I don't want to go swimming.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 13: Number two, I question what what particles may be in
Speaker 13: the play.
Speaker 5: I want to keep this as clean as I can.
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, the only beer that's been drunk at a
Speaker 13: bit at a football game. I guarantee you the color
Speaker 13: of the water of the pool is not blue and
Speaker 13: may be more yellow.
Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Possibly, And and all those young fans out there swimming
Speaker 2: in that pool, there's Have you ever been to a
Speaker 2: resort where like it's it's a family resort and you
Speaker 2: get in the pool and after about fifteen minutes you
Speaker 2: get out and you feel like you've got to take
Speaker 2: three showers just to clean the film off. That's what
Speaker 2: I imagine that would be long.
Speaker 13: I would think, Yeah, well, I don't know why you
Speaker 13: would go to a football game or a baseball game
Speaker 13: for that matter, and want to go swimming.
Speaker 5: We have to bring a change up.
Speaker 13: Do you bring a change of clothing and they give
Speaker 13: you a locker?
Speaker 5: What do you do?
Speaker 13: I mean, do you walk in with a baby suit?
Speaker 13: I wouldn't even know how it's done.
Speaker 5: How do you do that? It's not I mean if
Speaker 5: you come.
Speaker 13: Into a bowl game, you know, you come into a game,
Speaker 13: you usually have your keys, your car keys, your wallet
Speaker 13: in your pocket. You're gonna jump in the pool with that,
Speaker 13: you got to obviously take it love and put a
Speaker 13: swim suit on.
Speaker 2: How do you do that exactly? I know that you
Speaker 2: like to, you know, used to like to take a fits.
Speaker 2: You call it as fits at the athletic club.
Speaker 13: Well, I got it's just the athletic club. You're go
Speaker 13: in the raw. There's no problem whatsoever. You just take
Speaker 13: everything off and jump.
Speaker 4: In, right.
Speaker 13: You know, it's not bad.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's a relaxing It's relaxing for you
Speaker 2: to be around a bunch of other naked, sweaty men,
Speaker 2: is what you're telling me.
Speaker 13: Well, well, I used to go to the athletic club.
Speaker 13: I was like the only guy in the pool. Not
Speaker 13: many people go there. I mean, you know, not many
Speaker 13: people swim. I think the average age of that place
Speaker 13: probably is seventy enough. If I can't swim, they'll look
Speaker 13: if they could open their locker, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: So it's a different.
Speaker 5: Ball game over there. But you know, I just I'm.
Speaker 13: Just saying, what hell we got off on this thing?
Speaker 2: But what else has grabbed your attention in the world
Speaker 2: of sports this week?
Speaker 1: What take do you have what acts do you have
Speaker 1: to grind?
Speaker 13: Andy Furman, Well, it's not an act, But I tell
Speaker 13: you what I want to talk about. This something off
Speaker 13: the Fieldhich to me is somewhat serious. And uh, I
Speaker 13: want to go back a week ago with the Tyreek
Speaker 13: Hill basically pulled out of his vehicle prior to the
Speaker 13: game with the Miami Dolphins. And I read a column
Speaker 13: and I want to say here and now that it
Speaker 13: was written by Mike Freeman, an African American who I
Speaker 13: believe that he's a friend of mine. Mike Freeman is
Speaker 13: the best sports columnist in America today if you've never
Speaker 13: read my freem and he's the best. And he wrote
Speaker 13: about this, I think it was Less Friday and USA
Speaker 13: Today talking about what he.
Speaker 5: Calls the talk.
Speaker 13: The talk is what a parent gives a kid when
Speaker 13: he's growing up, or more so Pamba an African American
Speaker 13: kid than anybody else. And he says the story that
Speaker 13: there was a police officer who started following him and
Speaker 13: did so for about five minutes, he knowing he was
Speaker 13: going and goring I could stop.
Speaker 5: He said.
Speaker 13: He got his documents out of his compartment, already neatly
Speaker 13: stacked together, put them in the passenger seat, and then
Speaker 13: there was flashing lights and the cops said my inspections stick.
Speaker 5: There and and spired it had it was a pandemic.
Speaker 13: I was barely leaving my house live alone getting my
Speaker 13: car inspected, and the officer understood and told me to
Speaker 13: get it done soon. But before she spoke, I rolled
Speaker 13: my window down, put my hands on the wheelers who
Speaker 13: I wasn't a threat. I told the officer, I'm unarmed,
Speaker 13: there are no weapons in the car, and he says,
Speaker 13: my mom had taught me all these things years before
Speaker 13: the talk. It was in my head during every moment
Speaker 13: of that encounter. And maybe tyr tyreek Hill forgot about
Speaker 13: the talk, or maybe his parents never gave him.
Speaker 5: I don't think your parents give you the talk.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, but I think tyreek Hill probably And I
Speaker 2: don't know his personal family situation, and I'm not going
Speaker 2: to try and guess andy, and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: just make assumptions about it, but I think that maybe
Speaker 2: tyreek Hill didn't have a whole lot of parenting in
Speaker 2: general growing up.
Speaker 1: And that's sad to say.
Speaker 2: Other than maybe encouragement, and did tyreek Hill come from
Speaker 2: a single parent family, was he raised by his mom
Speaker 2: or his grandma, as many kids are today, and you
Speaker 2: wonder these lessons they are important and it is all
Speaker 2: down to what the parents give their children as building
Speaker 2: blocks for life outside of the home. And you're right,
Speaker 2: that talk is probably one of the most important talks
Speaker 2: any parent could have with any kid, regardless of their
Speaker 2: skin color. It's just something that you need to know
Speaker 2: when you go out. And you know, our kids are
Speaker 2: not being prepared in general for life when they become adults.
Speaker 2: And that's that's that goes across all ethnicities, in all demographics,
Speaker 2: and and this is an issue that needs to be
Speaker 2: addressed and it and we need to tell parents, hey,
Speaker 2: this is your job. It's not society's job to incarcerate
Speaker 2: your children because you didn't give them that talk, or
Speaker 2: to arrest your children, because I mean, we'll have we
Speaker 2: will if we have to, but we shouldn't have to
Speaker 2: because you should have taught them better lessons.
Speaker 13: No guy, I want to say this though the twelve
Speaker 13: does not guarantee safety because that happened. Is this is
Speaker 13: a black driver's cooperating a police are still aggressive with
Speaker 13: the driver, So you know that, and is this some
Speaker 13: research and this.
Speaker 5: According to Mike.
Speaker 13: Freeman, there's been some research that shows that black drivers
Speaker 13: are more likely to be stopped by police than their
Speaker 13: white peers, and that means obviously more chances for things.
Speaker 5: To go wrong.
Speaker 13: All right, And look, obviously none of this is Hill's fault.
Speaker 13: He pulled down, he was handcuffed and thrown to the ground.
Speaker 13: It was ridiculous. It was bad. It's a bad look
Speaker 13: all the way around. I don't know what the end
Speaker 13: result is going to be, if the cops are going
Speaker 13: to be fired, or what's gonna happen right now, but it.
Speaker 5: Just was not a bad thing.
Speaker 13: And look, Hill came back and said he could have
Speaker 13: been a little more cooperative as well. He could have been,
Speaker 13: you know, he had the window up for fear of
Speaker 13: maybe some of some of his so called fans would
Speaker 13: have seen him. Look, he could have got arrested, right he.
Speaker 13: No one mentions in the story though, that he didn't
Speaker 13: have a license. That that's that's not mentioned didn't have
Speaker 13: a license.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't realize. I didn't hear that part
Speaker 2: of the story. Tyreek Hill did not have a license
Speaker 2: when he got pulled over for speeding, and then wouldn't
Speaker 2: open the window for the cop when he came up
Speaker 2: to pull him over.
Speaker 13: Okay, right, right, Well, you know it's shining ugly situation.
Speaker 13: And I don't know if if he didn't have his
Speaker 13: license with him or he just doesn't have a license.
Speaker 5: I don't No, we don't know that.
Speaker 2: How come if you're at that status in the NFL,
Speaker 2: you're making that kind of money, you just don't have
Speaker 2: a driver to take you to and from the games.
Speaker 13: Andy, Well, I'm gonna go one step further. I'm gonna
Speaker 13: go into the football.
Speaker 5: Elm of this thing right now. Number one, he was late.
Speaker 5: Why the hell are.
Speaker 13: You coming so late for a game that day? Most
Speaker 13: of these guys are in the locker room by nine
Speaker 13: point thirty ten o'clock for a one o'clock game, and
Speaker 13: he was getting there like eleven o'clock. So we're in
Speaker 13: a hell weale number one. Number two, I don't understand.
Speaker 13: The old philosophy in football always was you don't practice,
Speaker 13: you don't play, right, Jamar Chase hasn't practiced, he's playing. Okay,
Speaker 13: I don't get it. I promise you right now, If
Speaker 13: forrest Greg may he rest in peace, were still coaching
Speaker 13: the Cincinnati Bengals. Jamar Chase wouldn't be playing. I tell
Speaker 13: you that, don't practice, don't play. It's a different ball
Speaker 13: game right now. The inmates on the asylum. I'm not
Speaker 13: saying it's good and not saying it's dead. I'm saying
Speaker 13: just that's the.
Speaker 5: Way it is.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe Forrest greg we're still coaching the Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 2: were he alive, they wouldn't have lost that game yesterday.
Speaker 13: What about that, Andy, I tend to agree, although I
Speaker 13: think that's Zach Taylor and the hell of a game
Speaker 13: plan with those tight ends right there, and the protection
Speaker 13: is pretty good on Joe, and no one's talking about
Speaker 13: Joe's water bottle or spiral or anything else right now,
Speaker 13: which is a good thing. And they went to the
Speaker 13: tight end many times for receptions.
Speaker 5: I think things are good.
Speaker 13: You know, certain freaky things happened that the play that
Speaker 13: passed interference.
Speaker 5: Call, and obviously Jamal Chase blowing up, and then again,
Speaker 5: you know, when money Mack.
Speaker 13: Misses the extra point, the game would have been tied.
Speaker 13: It got actually the whole aspect of.
Speaker 5: The game as well, mister, there's a lot of.
Speaker 13: Factors in that game. Who the hell thought he missed
Speaker 13: an extra.
Speaker 1: Point, mister perfect.
Speaker 2: Evin McPherson whiffs on an extra point, and here we
Speaker 2: are twenty six, twenty five, a loss for the Bengals.
Speaker 1: In a win for my Kansas City chiefs. Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: Brittany Mahomes, I will say this, what what are you
Speaker 1: gonna say?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Now, I'll just say I didn't think, looking at the
Speaker 13: schedule that they were going to be Kansas City.
Speaker 5: And I feel pretty good the way they lost.
Speaker 13: I mean, there's not to make things they need to correctly,
Speaker 13: don't be as sloppy. But the point is this, now
Speaker 13: I know that this team is not as bad.
Speaker 5: As they were an opening dick and.
Speaker 13: Yeah competitive, Yeah, they're competitive now. And we've also learned
Speaker 13: yesterday that maybe the paintings are as bad as we
Speaker 13: thought they were going to be. They lost an overtime yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Patriots are surprising people. They have bounced
Speaker 2: back from their four win season of last year, and
Speaker 2: they have beaten the Bengals and they pushed another club
Speaker 2: to overtime. They're one and one, the Bengals are zero
Speaker 2: and two. They can't afford to lose on Monday Night.
Speaker 2: Football a week from tonight against the Washington Commanders. Though,
Speaker 2: don't you agree with that?
Speaker 13: Well, you know, when you're owing to, the percentages go
Speaker 13: pretty up, pretty pretty scaled up of the chances of
Speaker 13: going postseason. Yeah, they've been lucky lest a couple of
Speaker 13: years going on with.
Speaker 2: To start to restart doing percentages, you start ohing to,
Speaker 2: you have a five percent chance of making the playoffs.
Speaker 2: That is what is what the statistics show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: The Ravens to Also, I know I loved watching I
Speaker 2: loved watching them lose. I can't stand the Ravens. The Steelers.
Speaker 2: How about the Steelers? How about the Pittsburgh Steelers?
Speaker 1: Andy?
Speaker 13: Good lord, are we ever gonna see? Are we ever
Speaker 13: gonna see Russell Wilson play quarterback again?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Probably not, I don't think for a ball. It's good
Speaker 2: to talk to you again. It's been quite a while
Speaker 2: since I've even had an opportunity to talk with you.
Speaker 2: But I'm glad that you could take some time out
Speaker 2: of yelling at the UPS store. And I hope you
Speaker 2: have a wonderful rest of the evening.
Speaker 4: You too. Thank you.
Speaker 5: Speak to you soon, all right.
Speaker 1: You bet?
Speaker 2: You. You can't spell Furman without f you. It's the
Speaker 2: nightcap in American history on the radio coming up afternoons.
Speaker 7: Meanwhile in Me and Chuck it Forest the Princess. Wait
Speaker 7: a minute, where's the princess?
Speaker 1: And she's on Maternity Lead.
Speaker 7: We're filling in while she's out. But you're Eddie and Rocky. Yeah,
Speaker 7: So what this story is supposed to be about? How
Speaker 7: the princess does nothing but listen to your show?
Speaker 1: What you know, Let's be honest.
Speaker 7: If all she ever did was listen to our show.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't be on Maternity Leader. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Oh, good point, guys, Eddie.
Speaker 2: And rock tomorrow afternoon at three on seven hundred WLW You're.
Speaker 4: Smart, all right?
Speaker 13: You ready to get into the parents Okay?
Speaker 4: Now, I bet yeah. I can make you on saying
Speaker 4: music words, saying up the phone on me. Oh that's easy,
Speaker 4: w L boogie check. Hey, mister Wizard of Dot, I'm.
Speaker 12: Calling him the name of justice.
Speaker 8: If I'm a month ago, I called me a monkey
Speaker 8: Eddie on the phone.
Speaker 12: So if you say the right magic word, how did
Speaker 12: you make a monkey out of me?
Speaker 13: I got something wrong?
Speaker 7: So if you say the right word, You'll make a
Speaker 7: monkey out of me. I want to make a monkey
Speaker 7: out of you. Go Banana.
Speaker 2: That is some of the craziness that was known as
Speaker 2: boogie check, an invention of one John Records Landecker when
Speaker 2: he was on eighty nine WLS in Chicago. That's from
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven. Today, John Records Landecker is a national
Speaker 2: radio treasure and he is nightly doing a talk show
Speaker 2: on seven to twenty WGN back in the Windy City.
Speaker 2: And this is American history on the radio on the nightcap.
Speaker 2: John Records and Records is truly your middle name, land Decker.
Speaker 2: It's such a pleasure to sit down and talk with
Speaker 2: you for a few moments.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much for having me on. I
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 2: And you know, I kind of told you, but I'll
Speaker 2: tell the all audience that as a kid growing up
Speaker 2: in suburban Chicago, we lived in Downers Grove in Napersville
Speaker 2: from like sixty five to seventy one. Now, you hadn't
Speaker 2: gotten a WLS at that point, but when I got
Speaker 2: my first transistor radio, I think it was seven years old,
Speaker 2: WLS was locked. As long as I was able to
Speaker 2: have the radio on or the nine volt battery didn't
Speaker 2: wear out and my parents didn't find out. I was
Speaker 2: listening in my bedroom with the thing underneath my pillow
Speaker 2: says past my bedtime, and I heard all these great
Speaker 2: voices and just a commanding presence of the jocks of
Speaker 2: that day. And it was not just WLS, it was WCFL.
Speaker 2: The top forty radio wars in Chicago were absolutely insane
Speaker 2: with the contesting and the money that was being paid
Speaker 2: to the talent and the fight over the talent. You
Speaker 2: got there in what seventy three or seventy four to
Speaker 2: WLS when.
Speaker 4: We're seventy two. I got there, yeah.
Speaker 2: And so anyway, I was still hooked on WLS when
Speaker 2: we moved away, and of course with that big booming
Speaker 2: signal like seven hundred WLW has big booming signal on WLS.
Speaker 2: I could hear it in suburban Saint Louis when we
Speaker 2: moved there, and then to even to Nashville, Tennessee, in
Speaker 2: Middle Tennessee, and I would listen late at night and
Speaker 2: I would hear you, and I heard boogie check, and
Speaker 2: it so influenced me in my radio career. Later that
Speaker 2: I started trying to copy it as crazy as it was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so what was the what was the origin of the
Speaker 2: boogie check thing.
Speaker 12: When you were first of all, First of all, I
Speaker 12: want to say that it's a great honor to be
Speaker 12: on WLW because it's one of the great radio stations
Speaker 12: in American history. And it also is part of my
Speaker 12: current situation where I only appear ondeo stations that have
Speaker 12: three call letters.
Speaker 4: So I wanted I wanted to make it clear, all right,
Speaker 4: where did boogie check come from?
Speaker 12: If there was a real place that it came from,
Speaker 12: you know, some.
Speaker 4: Thought out, well thought out plan, I let you know.
Speaker 12: But it was a totally spontaneous experience on the air.
Speaker 12: I guess this sort of starts with the fact that
Speaker 12: the term let's boogie was a spying expression at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 12: it was being printed on T shirts and other items
Speaker 12: of apparel and being used and as slang. And so
Speaker 12: you've got that as a base that term boogiele's is
Speaker 12: floating around.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, am.
Speaker 12: Radio the stations that played top forty rock music at
Speaker 12: that time had a reputation of repeating the same songs
Speaker 12: over and over and over again. And that's because they
Speaker 12: repeated the same songs over and over and over again,
Speaker 12: and I was on at night and I got really
Speaker 12: tired of that. I was just you know, if you
Speaker 12: heard them once in a while, it was okay, but
Speaker 12: if he were there every time they repeated, it became irritating.
Speaker 12: So you've got that going on. Then we had a
Speaker 12: one of our air personalities was named JJ Jeffrey, and
Speaker 12: he had a mustache, and he was dating, and before
Speaker 12: he would go out on a date, he would do
Speaker 12: what he called a sixty second booger check, in which
Speaker 12: he would look in the mirror and see if there
Speaker 12: were any nasal deposits on his upper lip area.
Speaker 4: Well, one night, don't ask me how.
Speaker 12: I had no idea because it just spontaneously occurred. All
Speaker 12: of that came together as the sixty second bookie check.
Speaker 12: I started answering the phone live on the air at WLS.
Speaker 4: I had no idea what a boogie check meant. It
Speaker 4: didn't mean anything.
Speaker 12: You could interpret it, I suppose any way you wanted to,
Speaker 12: if you were like a twelve year old listener. And
Speaker 12: it just went.
Speaker 4: On from there. No One, as far as I knew,
Speaker 4: no one used Top.
Speaker 12: Forty or rock radio in that manner Prior to that.
Speaker 12: I mean, they took phone calls to the extent that
Speaker 12: you could hear a request or a dedication, But this
Speaker 12: was none of that.
Speaker 4: This was just random chaos.
Speaker 12: Going up and down the telephone line, live on the air,
Speaker 12: just reacting whatever I ran into. And it seemed to
Speaker 12: be something that I could do pretty well. And that's
Speaker 12: pretty much it. There's no grand design to it, well.
Speaker 2: You know, and it doesn't occur to me that it
Speaker 2: would be a thing that you put a lot of
Speaker 2: thought into.
Speaker 1: But that was the beauty, no thought into it.
Speaker 12: Not only that's one of the reasons I loved it.
Speaker 12: It didn't require any thought, didn't require any preparation, you know,
Speaker 12: I just did it.
Speaker 2: No, they would call and they would be stupid, and
Speaker 2: you would be rude and hang up on them. And
Speaker 2: the idea was for listeners hearing this, and what's a
Speaker 2: bookie check anyway?
Speaker 1: Exactly so. But it was like almost like bull riding.
Speaker 2: If you could stay on eight seconds until the bell,
Speaker 2: you could win, right.
Speaker 4: I've never heard that analogy, but that's great. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: guess so.
Speaker 1: But it inspired me boogie check.
Speaker 2: Hearing that as a teenager and tweener inspired me till
Speaker 2: later on in my radio career do this game? I
Speaker 2: used to play at multiple stations that I've been on,
Speaker 2: called what is it? And I didn't have an answer
Speaker 2: for what it was. But when I got a creative enough,
Speaker 2: whacky enough phone call and they exactly it, it's this,
Speaker 2: and they'd go through some rambling dissertation about what it is,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 1: Say, you're right, I can't believe you nailed it. That's great.
Speaker 2: But that was all because of listening to John Records,
Speaker 2: Land Decker and boogiey Check you know there.
Speaker 12: Over the years, people have said to me, how did
Speaker 12: you splice all those phone calls together?
Speaker 4: And the reason we didn't.
Speaker 12: They were always one hundred percent live or on delay. Rather,
Speaker 12: there was never any kind of pre taping at all.
Speaker 12: The only concession that was ever made to the callers
Speaker 12: was the fact in the beginning WLS had note delay
Speaker 12: system because no one took any phone calls live on
Speaker 12: a rock station, so the big f got put out
Speaker 12: over the airwaves. I mean, the SEC at the time
Speaker 12: said something like, you know, do whatever you can to
Speaker 12: keep these obscenities off the air. Well, you know what,
Speaker 12: once they're on, they're on. I mean you can't bring
Speaker 12: them back. And once that spread around that that had
Speaker 12: happened in the grapevine of the Chicago teen community, that
Speaker 12: they had heard the big f on WLS the night
Speaker 12: before the place exploded with phone calls, and the engineering
Speaker 12: had department Engineering department had to devise the first very
Speaker 12: crude delay system that.
Speaker 4: Allow bookie checks would be on the air.
Speaker 12: You'd go into the delay system for the for the
Speaker 12: phone calls and for.
Speaker 4: The bit and then come out of it at the end.
Speaker 12: Nowadays it's all digital and everybody's on delay.
Speaker 4: Much all the time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, from when they installed the
Speaker 2: digital transmitter here at seven hundred years ago. Uh, that
Speaker 2: added an extra delay to the system. But there is
Speaker 2: a delay dump system that we in the talk studio
Speaker 2: and in the producer's room. There are giant red buttons
Speaker 2: that just stay dump exactly and I rarely imagined.
Speaker 12: Yeah, if you can imagine, there was none of that. Yeah, nothing,
Speaker 12: There was no delay system whatsoever, and so something had
Speaker 12: to be devised. And instead of telling me that I
Speaker 12: couldn't do it, which you know might have been one
Speaker 12: management reaction, uh, they were totally behind it. And I
Speaker 12: think that's another thing that's very important to note here
Speaker 12: is that the program director at the time, John Garan,
Speaker 12: and the general manager Marty Greenberg. You know, I never
Speaker 12: asked them for permission to do this. I just went
Speaker 12: and did it, and they saw how popular it was immediately,
Speaker 12: and they totally supported it. I mean, they had our
Speaker 12: jingle company Jam Jingles, Record Boogie Check Jingles in there.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 12: They allowed people the air, personalities on the air to
Speaker 12: do whatever sort of came to mind as long as
Speaker 12: it didn't cross the lines of I get suppose good
Speaker 12: taste or threatened the license of the radio station. So
Speaker 12: I mean, I think that's important to note is that
Speaker 12: the programming and the management of that radio station were
Speaker 12: totally into it, which is unusual.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm very very I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: As a talk show host, I'm very very when I'm
Speaker 2: talking about anything that's cultural or political. I am very
Speaker 2: far right. Well I wouldn't say far right. I haven't
Speaker 2: blown up any buildings or anything, but thank god, yeah,
Speaker 2: right exactly, and don't intend to. But whatever the subject
Speaker 2: matter is, whether it's been COVID nineteen, vaccines, or anything
Speaker 2: else that I have talked about and taken a stand,
Speaker 2: no one from iHeartMedia or here in the building has
Speaker 2: ever said Gary.
Speaker 1: Jeff, don't do that. You can't. You can't do that.
Speaker 2: So I understand having the freedom and it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what it is, John, If you have the freedom to
Speaker 2: express a thought or to do something that you think
Speaker 2: you need to do for you and your audience, then
Speaker 2: if you've got the green light to do that, you know.
Speaker 2: And I don't ask permission either, Like you said, it's
Speaker 2: always better to ask forgiveness and permission.
Speaker 1: And I haven't mend.
Speaker 4: You know this wasn't There was nothing political.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I understand.
Speaker 2: I was just giving you an illustration of the same
Speaker 2: kind of the same kind of acquiescence by management of
Speaker 2: letting the jock or the air talent be the air
Speaker 2: talent that they are.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I understand, Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I do. So.
Speaker 2: I mean to have that kind of freedom though, it
Speaker 2: allows for some fantastic radio and you know, you look
Speaker 2: back on it now and it just for me, it
Speaker 2: brings back a well spring of childhood memories. Over Labor
Speaker 2: Day WEEKND something called rewound radio and that was on
Speaker 2: iHeart too. Had had just hours and hours and hours
Speaker 2: of programming from WLS and WCFL back in the heyday,
Speaker 2: from the time I started listening in the late sixties
Speaker 2: up through your era and up till like seventy eight
Speaker 2: or seventy nine, and they had all of these great
Speaker 2: voices that I remember as a kid listening. One of
Speaker 2: the things I loved about that era and that market
Speaker 2: and that particular radio station growing up with it was
Speaker 2: not only the great voices, but there was a level
Speaker 2: of condescension there that was just amazing. I mean, and
Speaker 2: they weren't mean necessarily to the listener, but you know,
Speaker 2: it kind of had a voice of God effect, and
Speaker 2: and listening to the boogey check, I hear you.
Speaker 1: No iniquities shall be punished.
Speaker 12: Wait, that's something that was specifically, that was specifically put
Speaker 12: in there when somebody that was.
Speaker 2: The was that the delay system, Yes, that was used
Speaker 2: to cover up the obscenity.
Speaker 4: That was That was Bill Price, our production.
Speaker 12: Director, and we had him cut a number of these
Speaker 12: very short bow as you know, a violated the world's taste,
Speaker 12: and that played when that replaced the obscendity or the
Speaker 12: off polo remark that had been on the air.
Speaker 4: So that's where that came from that was what that
Speaker 4: was used for.
Speaker 12: You know what, I want to say something else about
Speaker 12: uh w ellis at that time. I'm one of the
Speaker 12: keys to its huge success was the fact that everybody
Speaker 12: got along so well, and you know, the lineup of
Speaker 12: their personalities appeared on each other shows. We had a
Speaker 12: great time on and off the air. We had sort
Speaker 12: of a prime directive, which was that the radio station
Speaker 12: was there.
Speaker 4: As a tool for our amusement and as a law.
Speaker 4: You know that we didn't have anything to do with
Speaker 4: the listener per se, but it certainly did in the
Speaker 4: fact that the people who listen would always say, you guys,
Speaker 4: sounded like you were just having a great time, and
Speaker 4: that's because we were you.
Speaker 12: And I think that that, you know, transmits itself out
Speaker 12: to the listener and they pick up on that and
Speaker 12: they want to be a part.
Speaker 4: Of that, you know.
Speaker 12: And I've never been at a station that had that
Speaker 12: kind of camaraderie before or since. And we still as
Speaker 12: a group maintain connections. It's quite amazing. Quite frankly.
Speaker 2: Well, in speaking of the staff, what was Larry Lujack like.
Speaker 4: John Well? I love Larry lu Jack. He was a
Speaker 4: great guy.
Speaker 12: He had this on air persona being sarcastic, and he
Speaker 12: was one of the hardest working people I'd ever met.
Speaker 12: He was at the station hours and hours and hours
Speaker 12: going over newspapers and what was called wire copy at
Speaker 12: the time, which came from United PRESI International Associated Press.
Speaker 12: He was dedicated to his craft and it was just
Speaker 12: a great guy to be around.
Speaker 4: He was fun.
Speaker 12: We all loved him, and that wasn't his persona on
Speaker 12: the air so much, but because it was a bit
Speaker 12: of an act, but it worked very well for him
Speaker 12: and he was really well liked.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you a brief, brief story.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, here's what I want to do, John,
Speaker 2: I want to take a break and come back and
Speaker 2: do another segment if you'll indulge me. And you can
Speaker 2: tell this is what they call in the business folks
Speaker 2: to tease. We're going to hear funny Larry Lujack story
Speaker 2: from John Records Land Decker and Records is truly his
Speaker 2: middle name. One of the broad is one of the
Speaker 2: broadcasting legends of my life.
Speaker 1: For certain.
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Speaker 1: That's a lengthy title. John.
Speaker 2: When we last were talking before the break, were you
Speaker 2: were going to tell me a Larry Lujacks story from
Speaker 2: those classic vintage days at WLS Radio in Chicago.
Speaker 12: So please continue, sir, Well, this is a story like
Speaker 12: that has a setup of middle and a punchline. But
Speaker 12: I'll tell you what it was, Okay. I came to
Speaker 12: WLS and seventy two. I came there from Philadelphia. I
Speaker 12: was a very young kid. Larry was already there. In
Speaker 12: one of our little conversations back in our little DJ offices,
Speaker 12: the discussion was, I've got to be about Elvis and
Speaker 12: the Beatles, and I said, you know, I really liked
Speaker 12: the Beatles. I mean, Elvis is okay, you know, but
Speaker 12: I really liked the Beatles. Well, anyway, Larry was a
Speaker 12: huge Elvis fan. And he goes, you don't know nothing
Speaker 12: about music, you Philadelphia fill in the blank?
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So years passed, a few years past, and Elvis
Speaker 12: dies in the afternoon, and I'm at the station and
Speaker 12: Larry isn't it. And I say, god, he's got to
Speaker 12: know this. He wants to know this. This is important.
Speaker 12: So this isn't on the air or anything. So I
Speaker 12: call Larry at home and I talked to his wife, Judy,
Speaker 12: and I say, Judy, it's John Landecker.
Speaker 4: I got to talk to Larry Elvis dye.
Speaker 12: And she goes, well, he's Larry's taken a nap, And
Speaker 12: I said, well, because he was the morning guy, right so,
Speaker 12: and so I said, well, I think he would want
Speaker 12: to know. He goes, he goes okay, and Larry gets
Speaker 12: on the phone. Yeah, is it Larry, it's a land
Speaker 12: decker at the station.
Speaker 4: Elvis died.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm taking a nap.
Speaker 4: We expect me to do about it? Click okay. Then
Speaker 4: thirty maybe twenty five, thirty years later, the anniversary of
Speaker 4: Elvis's death.
Speaker 12: I'm doing afternoons on what became wls FM, and I
Speaker 12: had Larry's phone number from before he was living in Texas,
Speaker 12: and I called him up.
Speaker 4: And I go, Larry, you're on the air.
Speaker 12: He goes, yeah, you're supposed to informed people out of
Speaker 12: the air, too, bid Larry, I want to tell you
Speaker 12: that I wanted to remind you know, thirty years ago,
Speaker 12: also died. And he just absolutely broke up, like hysterical,
Speaker 12: and he goes, I people, that's his story, and he
Speaker 12: launches into this whole recap of the incident that I
Speaker 12: just related to you. And it was funnier the second
Speaker 12: time around because the first time it didn't happen on
Speaker 12: the air, right, So, and maybe it's not, you know,
Speaker 12: like an hysterical thing that happened with Larry, but let's
Speaker 12: just say it sort of encapsulates his personality and how
Speaker 12: actually he was totally approachable and had a great sense
Speaker 12: of humor.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, you and I have both interviewed the legendary Shotgun
Speaker 2: Tom Kelly this summer because he's got a book out up.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to ask I wanted to ask you
Speaker 2: the same kind of questions I asked Shotgun Tom. And
Speaker 2: you probably inquired of this as well when you talk
Speaker 2: to him. What inspired you to be in radio in
Speaker 2: the first place, John, What was.
Speaker 4: The That's a good question. I think a part of
Speaker 4: it has to do with being around when radio at
Speaker 4: that time still had.
Speaker 12: What we would call entertainment programming, before the era of
Speaker 12: rock and roll. We're talking like somewhere in the fifties
Speaker 12: where you could hear I mean I was really young,
Speaker 12: but you could hear people. I don't even if the
Speaker 12: names mean anything to anybody anymore, like Arthur god For
Speaker 12: you would have a variety show with singers, and you
Speaker 12: could hear drama like The Lone Ranger and Sky King,
Speaker 12: and you could hear comedy shows.
Speaker 4: And things like that. And at the same time, my dad.
Speaker 12: Who was a professor at the University Masipuid, was blind.
Speaker 12: So I'm getting like psychological now and in retrospect, I
Speaker 12: feel that that had something to do with my interest
Speaker 12: in radio, because of course my father couldn't see, so
Speaker 12: therefore television. We were the last people on the block
Speaker 12: to have a TV. But he would get all of
Speaker 12: his information from the radio. And I was a boy
Speaker 12: scout and sold Christmas reads from door to drawer and
Speaker 12: raised a certain.
Speaker 4: Amount of money.
Speaker 12: And the money that I wanted to do with my money,
Speaker 12: and we went down to an electronics store and I
Speaker 12: wanted to buy a six transistor radio. You know you
Speaker 12: mentioned your nine vote datter earlier, And there was a
Speaker 12: channel Master six transistor AM only radio that costs thirty
Speaker 12: six bucks back in that day. That was a lot
Speaker 12: of money, and I only had sixteen seventeen dollars.
Speaker 4: And my parents matched.
Speaker 12: It and.
Speaker 4: Brought the radio home and my.
Speaker 12: Father listened to his newscasts on that radio that night.
Speaker 12: I was just totally into radio from the get go.
Speaker 12: I pretended I had a radio station in my How
Speaker 12: am I in my bedroom?
Speaker 1: Did we all do that? We all did?
Speaker 13: We all did that?
Speaker 4: We all did that. I was talking. I was talking
Speaker 4: to Tom Shotgun Toime. He did that too. I think
Speaker 4: we all did that, and you know, and then I.
Speaker 12: Was in high school. I went to University of Michigan
Speaker 12: High School, which was run by the University of Michigan
Speaker 12: School of Education. It no longer exists, but they were
Speaker 12: open to suggestion and I had a political science teacher
Speaker 12: named Mylon Marriage, and instead of doing a term paper,
Speaker 12: I was allowed to do a term tape or I
Speaker 12: actually made a recording of something. And also at the time,
Speaker 12: my girlfriend, her aunt was a quote unquote woman's editor
Speaker 12: of a local AM station there in ann Arbor, and
Speaker 12: she got me in to see the program director one
Speaker 12: afternoon and I went out there and it was this
Speaker 12: station that was on a dirt road across from a
Speaker 12: dairy farm in Saline, Michigan. And I walked in and
Speaker 12: talked to the guy who was on the AIRA went
Speaker 12: into the during a record. He went in and got
Speaker 12: a bunch of turned out to be wire copy of
Speaker 12: the news.
Speaker 4: He gave it to me.
Speaker 12: He said, go into that room and when that light
Speaker 12: comes on, read this stuff.
Speaker 4: And he made a bit out of the fact that.
Speaker 12: There was a local high school kid that was there
Speaker 12: who wanted to get into the radio. And that was
Speaker 12: basically the beginning.
Speaker 4: That was it.
Speaker 12: I started going out to that station after school. I
Speaker 12: was hired as a janitor for a dollar fifteen an hour.
Speaker 12: They had one rock and roll show on the air
Speaker 12: during the week on Saturday mornings. From this, I joined
Speaker 12: that show as a newsman. One thing leads to another,
Speaker 12: and another and another, and I never left the business
Speaker 12: since then.
Speaker 4: And that was it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I attended the thirteenth grade at Volunteer State Community College
Speaker 2: in Gallaton, Tennessee, to for the radio program exactly, and
Speaker 2: did not fit. I was making straight a's in school,
Speaker 2: but it didn't matter. Once I had the job. After
Speaker 2: a month internship at the local station, I was done
Speaker 2: with school. I had achieved my objective. I was just
Speaker 2: going to go from there. Yeah, and that's that's what
Speaker 2: happened with me.
Speaker 12: You know, you said that you currently are like right
Speaker 12: wing commentator and broadcasts.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know about it, right Wayne, But okay,
Speaker 4: but you know Rush.
Speaker 1: Limbaugh, Yeah, oh, Rush Limbaugh.
Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh is the guy that inspired me, made me
Speaker 2: want to get into talk radio out of music radio.
Speaker 12: Well, anyway, before Rush Limbaugh was Russell Limbaugh. She was
Speaker 12: a jack at k q V in Pittsburgh. Yeah, And
Speaker 12: one day at my house in Chicago, I pick up
Speaker 12: the phone and it's him, and I have no idea
Speaker 12: where he got my number, and he was calling me
Speaker 12: to see if I had any advice on how to
Speaker 12: be a disc jockey. And I didn't remember this, but
Speaker 12: I saw him at a like a I think he
Speaker 12: was being inducted into the.
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, Radio Hall of Fame or something. And
Speaker 4: he said that he had called and that I was
Speaker 4: eating a salad, and that's.
Speaker 12: What he remembered of that whole experience. But you know,
Speaker 12: he started out in rock radio. You started out in
Speaker 12: rock radio. My tenure as a talk show host is
Speaker 12: only like four years, and that's at WGN. And I
Speaker 12: specifically stay away from any political or issue oriented content.
Speaker 1: Just you don't want to want.
Speaker 12: I just don't want. I just I just don't want
Speaker 12: to get into it with anybody. I can't change anybody's mind. No,
Speaker 12: nobody's going to change my mind. We got so much
Speaker 12: visit divisiveness already. Everybody knows what they think. They're not
Speaker 12: going to believe anything. Nobody will believe anything. I would
Speaker 12: try to make them believe anyway. Oh No, you know
Speaker 12: and it makes it easier for me because I'm a
Speaker 12: people pleaser.
Speaker 2: Well, this is this is John, This is exactly why
Speaker 2: I love doing interviews like this because it is a
Speaker 2: political has nothing it has to do with with an
Speaker 2: interest that I have. And my whole thing is if
Speaker 2: I'm really interested in a topic, I can make the
Speaker 2: audience interested in it and make it.
Speaker 4: Well, that's true, true, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean, no, I love not but I'm
Speaker 2: just when it comes time to tackle certain topics and
Speaker 2: I don't get into people. I just tell them the
Speaker 2: way I feel it may be in the my opinion.
Speaker 2: My opinion may be controversial, and that may be why
Speaker 2: I'm considered right wing by some people. So I guess
Speaker 2: I may have given you the wrong idea there.
Speaker 12: Well, no, no, I think having You know, if I
Speaker 12: had strong opinions that I wanted other people to hear,
Speaker 12: I would do that. But it's just not a part
Speaker 12: of my And I may have a strong opinion on something,
Speaker 12: but it's just not a part of my broadcast nature.
Speaker 4: To be doing that.
Speaker 12: And you know, I'm not a shock shock either, and
Speaker 12: so it's sort of this sort of old not old fashioned,
Speaker 12: but I guess traditional approach to a talk radio show.
Speaker 4: Where it's safe.
Speaker 12: We try to be humorous, informative. Obviously it is something
Speaker 12: big is happening, sure, news wise or whatever.
Speaker 4: We get to it.
Speaker 12: But other than that, it's I originally came out and
Speaker 12: talked called it a radio oasis because I came on,
Speaker 12: ironically in the middle of COVID, and that's all you
Speaker 12: heard about and then and then it was also the
Speaker 12: political run up to the election, and we all remember
Speaker 12: how what that felt like. And so I just, you know,
Speaker 12: I just stayed away from it. My daughter says, Dad,
Speaker 12: you got a job during COVID.
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, I know. It's sort of weird, isn't it.
Speaker 12: And you know, we had the ability to do and
Speaker 12: you know this too, radio programs that originate not from
Speaker 12: the studio but from our homes and things like that.
Speaker 12: And it was a long time before I ever went
Speaker 12: into the WGN studios simply because of the whole COVID situation.
Speaker 4: And it was a very turbulent time.
Speaker 12: I mean, just like every day felt like there was
Speaker 12: nothing but doom and gloom all day long. So I
Speaker 12: came on, I'm like, you know, we're not doing that now,
Speaker 12: And initially it was. I got to tell you, it
Speaker 12: was very successful. I mean I had some rating periods
Speaker 12: that were and for a nighttime AM station, I was
Speaker 12: like fifth in the market, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's incredible in that market.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think.
Speaker 12: I don't think it's like that anymore. Things are drastically
Speaker 12: changed and the station has changed a few things. But
Speaker 12: the great thing about WGN is that it's owned by
Speaker 12: next Star Media and next Star Media, we are the
Speaker 12: only radio.
Speaker 4: Station that next Star Media owns.
Speaker 12: They were on a bunch of TV stations, but we're
Speaker 12: it so the only child. Yes, we're the only child,
Speaker 12: and we get treated like that.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: John Records Landecker is our guest on the Nightcap American
Speaker 2: History on the Radio. And I guess what was your
Speaker 2: first big job, John, big money job, big market Because
Speaker 2: you worked everywhere. You worked in Toronto, I guess you
Speaker 2: worked in Philadelphia, the big break.
Speaker 12: Let's call it that, because I suppose the money at
Speaker 12: the time was good, but it wouldn't be anything anybody
Speaker 12: would like bats their eyes at.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 12: I was a senior at Michigan State University and I
Speaker 12: was majoring in communication arts, And little did I know
Speaker 12: that there were these two radio officionados, Dave Alberry and
Speaker 12: Jim Donahue, who were students and loved radio, and they
Speaker 12: were recording my show at night on this local station
Speaker 12: in East Lansing, Michigan or Lansing, Michigan called WILS while
Speaker 12: I was going to Michigan State and there was a
Speaker 12: disc jockey at CKOW and Detroit named Mike.
Speaker 4: Rivers, and that was a huge station.
Speaker 12: And he got a job offer to go to WIBG
Speaker 12: in Philadelphia, and they had an opening at that radio station,
Speaker 12: and Albury and Donahue had sent him a the air
Speaker 12: check of me, a recording.
Speaker 4: Which he took with him, and he played this for
Speaker 4: his program director, guy named Paul Drew.
Speaker 12: And I got a phone call out of nowhere saying, Hey,
Speaker 12: we'd like to fly you in for a job interview.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 12: I'm married, I have a kid, I'm a senior in college.
Speaker 4: My father is a professor, my mother is.
Speaker 12: A social worker graduate. They happened to be out of
Speaker 12: the country on what was a sabbatical in Germany. My
Speaker 12: in laws one went to MIT in Harvard, the other
Speaker 12: one went to Bassard. The idea that I would drop
Speaker 12: out of college was something.
Speaker 4: I never.
Speaker 12: Thought of in my wildest dreams. But I talked to
Speaker 12: my professors, I talked to my in laws. My professor said,
Speaker 12: you know, you've got like a half a year left.
Speaker 12: This is exactly what you would be looking for in
Speaker 12: six months or whatever.
Speaker 4: Go for it. I did.
Speaker 12: And it was terror in the beginning because I got
Speaker 12: this job and the guy who ran the station said,
Speaker 12: we're changing her name to Scott Walker, and I'm like,
Speaker 12: what's going on here? And this was a very tightly run, strict,
Speaker 12: no wiggle room format, and I was not very good,
Speaker 12: to be honest with you. I was surprised that wasn't fired.
Speaker 12: They hired me to be on from nine to midnight.
Speaker 12: That got switched to midnight to six, six nights a week.
Speaker 12: Then they put me on noon to three. Then the
Speaker 12: station was sold and that's where things changed. It was
Speaker 12: sold the Buckley Broadcasting. They came in with an air
Speaker 12: personality named.
Speaker 4: Joey Reynolds and it went.
Speaker 12: From super tight to anarchy overnight, and I went back
Speaker 12: to being johnni is Land Decker on the air, and
Speaker 12: we gave the big Top forty station in Philadelphia the
Speaker 12: wufil a huge run for its money, and words spread
Speaker 12: w LS Chicago about what was going on. And then
Speaker 12: I got a call from WLS saying would you send
Speaker 12: in an air check? And that was that so And
Speaker 12: initially the experience of a Philadelphia was horrible. I mean
Speaker 12: I literally broke down in tears at a motel I
Speaker 12: was staying at while we made the Well my family
Speaker 12: was going to come, and like, what did I get
Speaker 12: myself into?
Speaker 4: I can't do this.
Speaker 1: But it helped, it helped lead into now.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Yeah Records is truly his middle name. And I
Speaker 2: wish we had more time to talk about that. Put
Speaker 2: our times up and.
Speaker 4: I just just let me say that that is my
Speaker 4: mother's maiden name.
Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, John Records, Land Decker, Land Decker on American
Speaker 2: History on the radio, and we'll in honor of the
Speaker 2: boogie check, we'll play a little boogie. We'll play a
Speaker 2: little boogie music out Yeah, a little.
Speaker 1: Cool in the gang. John, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: It's the night Cabinet continues on seven hundred w LW.
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Speaker 15: to August of nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 16: WSKZ Chattanooga, Tennessee Now begins its broadcast day WSKZ with
Speaker 16: studios on Pine Blue Road and transmitting facilities on Signal Mountain.
Speaker 16: Broadcasts with one hundred thousand watts vertical and horizontal and
Speaker 16: stereo at our assigned frequency of one hundred and six
Speaker 16: point five megahertz WSKZ Chattanooga, Tennessee is KZ.
Speaker 1: One O six.
Speaker 2: And that's how that began on the nineteenth of August
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight. A few years later it would be
Speaker 2: our home radio station. Why I see hours, I mean
Speaker 2: mine and won Eric Page, the Pager. Together, Eric and
Speaker 2: I worked the knights and dominated the airwaves because there
Speaker 2: literally was nothing else on and we boomed all over
Speaker 2: North Georgia and that part of southeastern Tennessee and into Alabama.
Speaker 1: It was crazy.
Speaker 2: It was a great way to really get a firm
Speaker 2: footing on my radio career. And again the man that
Speaker 2: I shared this with, this experience and all these experiences
Speaker 2: that we're about to relate to you is on the
Speaker 2: line with us. Eric Page, Welcome to the Nightcap and
Speaker 2: American history on the radio.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 17: That was a quick look back, but that's unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 4: How are you doing.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm well, and this is so much fun
Speaker 2: because we have some stories to share. We probably have
Speaker 2: stories that we can't share, but we have stories to
Speaker 2: share about those early halcyon days in radio together in
Speaker 2: the early eighties. Can you believe, number one, that in
Speaker 2: June of this past year, it was my forty fourth
Speaker 2: anniversary being consistently on the air somewhere, and you had
Speaker 2: quite a run yourself, although you haven't done anything in years,
Speaker 2: and I think that's a shame, because you are truly
Speaker 2: one of the great radio talents I ever wor and
Speaker 2: ever listened to. And you taught me so much, especially
Speaker 2: in those early days, the good and the bad.
Speaker 1: You taught me a lot of things.
Speaker 2: But we were in our early twenties and we were
Speaker 2: pretty much given the freedom to do pretty much anything
Speaker 2: we wanted to.
Speaker 1: On the radio and have fun. And we did both
Speaker 1: of those things.
Speaker 4: Don't you think that was really Yeah, that was really
Speaker 4: the key that we just really got the keys to
Speaker 4: the radio station there and we covered ninety two counties.
Speaker 17: I mean, you talk about the reach of that radio station.
Speaker 17: We got calls on our request line at night. You know,
Speaker 17: you and I both as far away north as Bowling Green, Kentucky,
Speaker 17: as far away south as Atlanta, and I mean almost
Speaker 17: to Birmingham and way into the Carolinas and stuff. And
Speaker 17: it was just incredible to reach that that station had.
Speaker 17: And you're right, it was just a blank slate. There
Speaker 17: was nothing going on between and radio between Atlanta and Nashville,
Speaker 17: and we filled a giant boyd for a whole lot
Speaker 17: of people. And we showed up in Billboard magazine one time.
Speaker 17: I think by the time we'd been only a year
Speaker 17: or so, eighty two or eighty three, maybe we showed
Speaker 17: up as one of the top rated shows in the country,
Speaker 17: you know, on a list with Scott Shannon at Z
Speaker 17: one hundred and Rick D's a Kiss at Them in
Speaker 17: La and just it was an incredible time. Yeah, And
Speaker 17: we had so much fun doing it, didn't we.
Speaker 1: Oh God, so much fun. And you know what.
Speaker 2: And we had like a I don't know, an eighty
Speaker 2: or ninety share at night, which is unheard of. And
Speaker 2: it was partly due to the signal and partly due
Speaker 2: to the format, and we may have contributed a little
Speaker 2: bit to that. It was just the right place at
Speaker 2: the right time for both of us. And it was
Speaker 2: a blast. There are many things that come to mind
Speaker 2: when I recalled those days in Chattanooga, Eric in the
Speaker 2: early eighties. One of them is not exactly one of
Speaker 2: our finest moments. When we were on a tag team
Speaker 2: against female mud wrestlers at the National Guard Armory in Chattanooga,
Speaker 2: we got our butts kicked.
Speaker 4: You know. I still feel that to this day.
Speaker 17: We got tossed around like rag dolls on a mud
Speaker 17: pit elevated playwood stage they built. It looked more like
Speaker 17: gallows pretty much. And wow, there were three thousand people
Speaker 17: crammed in this little armory there as a dead o winner, right.
Speaker 17: It was January, and we did get the Chicago knockers
Speaker 17: that they were traveling mud wrestling troop, and they just
Speaker 17: about killed us.
Speaker 2: Now, Eric, we went to a meeting before the bout
Speaker 2: and they told us about the choreography and what we
Speaker 2: were supposed to do at what time, and they would
Speaker 2: do this and then we would do that, and we
Speaker 2: did not necessarily adhere to the plan. And I think
Speaker 2: that's where we got into trouble.
Speaker 4: Well maybe we did.
Speaker 17: We showed up a T shirts and said I wanted
Speaker 17: all we were wearing wrestling tides and we both weighed
Speaker 17: maybe one hundred and thirty pounds, were soaking wet, and yeah,
Speaker 17: we paid for it that night. But it was fun.
Speaker 17: It was a great show. It did damage me badly though.
Speaker 2: We did something else then that I I could not
Speaker 2: do now, And we did plenty of things I could
Speaker 2: not do now, but one in particular was the Studio
Speaker 2: in the Sky, which was basically a billboard with a
Speaker 2: built on extra catwalk where we would actually broadcast from
Speaker 2: at night on one of the busiest streets in Chattanooga,
Speaker 2: brainerd Avenue, And we were what how high, We're like
Speaker 2: fifty sixty feet up and forty feet.
Speaker 4: Up, probably sixty feet.
Speaker 17: You know, we had to climb the pole, get in
Speaker 17: a ladder to get up to the ladder that got
Speaker 17: up to the catwalk, and you know, we did. We
Speaker 17: broadcast there. We used to give away stuff from there.
Speaker 17: We geen juries from Warner Brothers Records, came down from
Speaker 17: from Nashville and brought a bunch of cool stuff and
Speaker 17: we were hanging posters over the over the railing and
Speaker 17: the first person I could pull across the street and
Speaker 17: to the payphone and call the radio station and tell
Speaker 17: us who it was we'd win the poster and stuff
Speaker 17: like that. It was a blast and and it just
Speaker 17: caused all kinds of traffic, champs and stuff.
Speaker 4: I think it was the key there. We got out.
Speaker 17: We did stuff all the time. We got out and
Speaker 17: met everybody. I mean, you and I visited I don't
Speaker 17: know how many schools, uh during our time there. We
Speaker 17: did sock hops and just regular appearances and just go
Speaker 17: talk to kids and stuff.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 17: The most that we did were like constant, you know,
Speaker 17: several times a week we're out someplace doing everything and
Speaker 17: meeting people, and they got to know us, and it
Speaker 17: really helped a lot. It's that radio station is thriving
Speaker 17: today forty years later because of all that.
Speaker 4: It truly is.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you talk about going to schools. There
Speaker 2: was one particular dance. You know, we did sakops, like
Speaker 2: you said, our dances at schools for extra money, and
Speaker 2: it was you know, we lugged the equipment. They actually
Speaker 2: paid us just to lug the equipment in and lug
Speaker 2: it out. What we did in the meantime usually didn't matter.
Speaker 2: But we're at a junior high school, it's a middle
Speaker 2: school or something, and the students had gotten good grades.
Speaker 2: So the principal wanted to award them, reward them with
Speaker 2: a concert featuring the disc jockeys at KZ one oh six,
Speaker 2: and so Eric and I get out. We get out,
Speaker 2: and they have a setup in the middle of the
Speaker 2: gym floor and all these sixth and seventh graders and
Speaker 2: eighth graders are staring back at us from the bleachers
Speaker 2: because they weren't allowed to dance number one.
Speaker 1: So we're just out there in the middle.
Speaker 2: We're just playing records and talking to them, but it's
Speaker 2: like totally disconnected. It didn't make it. This is a reward.
Speaker 2: This is like more of a punishment for the kids
Speaker 2: in a reward.
Speaker 1: And then the first we.
Speaker 17: Used to being completely surrounded by kids and swamped, you know,
Speaker 17: and we're playing that while we're playing the music and
Speaker 17: they're all dancing like crazy and they're sitting in the
Speaker 17: bleachers with their hands and their lapse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2: So do you remember what the principal came up and
Speaker 2: told us before tell that story?
Speaker 17: Yeah, Well, they were opening in the new arena in Chattanooge.
Speaker 17: At that time, we called it the Roundhouse. It was
Speaker 17: the UTC Arena. Uh and Van Halen was going to
Speaker 17: be the opening act for the christening of the stadium,
Speaker 17: and so it was a big deal. You know, they
Speaker 17: were the biggest band in the world really.
Speaker 4: At that time.
Speaker 17: And we uh set up our stuff and went okay,
Speaker 17: and we played Pretty Woman by Van Halen, which was
Speaker 17: like the Roy Orbison you know, remake, and the principal
Speaker 17: came up and said, I'm sorry, but you can't play
Speaker 17: that because we don't like that guy.
Speaker 4: What they're wing downhill from there?
Speaker 2: Brother, Well, the first record we played was You Really
Speaker 2: Got Me by Van Halen, and he had no idea
Speaker 2: that we were playing Van Halen, right, He told.
Speaker 17: Us to record playing vanill Yeah, until we played Pretty Woman,
Speaker 17: you know, but he'd heard of a million times before
Speaker 17: because he grew up with you know, listened to Roy Orbison,
Speaker 17: you know whatever. But these kids were It was awful.
Speaker 17: And then we went back to the radio station. I
Speaker 17: remember I signed on at six o'clock that evening and
Speaker 17: you and I went on like a twenty minute diatribe.
Speaker 4: About what had happened and all this and just how
Speaker 4: ridiculous that was, and it just, oh my gosh, it
Speaker 4: was crazy. Wow.
Speaker 17: We had so much of it with some of a great,
Speaker 17: great time. The time you disappeared, we took a bunch
Speaker 17: of records, uh, a big box load of h forty
Speaker 17: fives from the station and that we didn't need. And
Speaker 17: you were out at the center court of this basketball
Speaker 17: gym and you got just swamped by a couple one
Speaker 17: hundred little kids and you disappeared. You started off at
Speaker 17: center court and wound up underneath all the other basket
Speaker 17: in the far end, just and disappear. We're giving these
Speaker 17: kids these records and so much fun. Just all that
Speaker 17: stuff is crazy.
Speaker 2: We have to talk about the softball game. Chattanooga is
Speaker 2: like thirty miles from Fort Payne, Alabama, and I have
Speaker 2: two Alabama store. One was their infamous June Jam, or
Speaker 2: their famous June Jam that would happen every June in
Speaker 2: their hometown of Fort Payne. I got to helicopter in
Speaker 2: with two winners from the radio station right into the
Speaker 2: middle of the festival grounds to see Alabama and their guests.
Speaker 2: And Alabama right now is like one of the hottest
Speaker 2: bands in the country. We're a rock station, but we
Speaker 2: played ton loads of Alabama because.
Speaker 1: It was popular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to, so anyway, Alabama had a celebrity
Speaker 2: softball team that traveled around for charity, and we had
Speaker 2: our own KZ one oh six softball team, and through
Speaker 2: our machinations of knowing people and being in such close proximity,
Speaker 2: you know, we got a deal together where we were
Speaker 2: going to play the Alabama softball team at the local
Speaker 2: Ingles Stadium, which that's that Ingle Stadium is no longer there.
Speaker 2: There's another minor league baseball park in Chattanooga now and
Speaker 2: that place was about to fall in in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2: But there we were and set the scene for the
Speaker 2: crowd size and everything else.
Speaker 17: Eric well, it absolutely packed it out. We charged the
Speaker 17: admission was like a can of food for the local
Speaker 17: food bank, which nobody had even done something like that before,
Speaker 17: and almost ten thousand people showed up. It was Pad
Speaker 17: twelve deep down the baselines all the way out as
Speaker 17: you know, the defenses, and it was just us. It
Speaker 17: was like a World Series kind of atmosphere. Randy Owen
Speaker 17: and Teddy Gentry student home play and sang the Star
Speaker 17: Spangled Band and a cappella and it just brought down
Speaker 17: the house. I had a recording of that because it
Speaker 17: was one of the best things i've ever heard in
Speaker 17: my life, you know, ten feet away and uh, and
Speaker 17: the crowd was just into it all the way.
Speaker 4: And we had a pretty good team. Uh we had
Speaker 4: women on our team. They did not. And you know,
Speaker 4: we got to the end of the game and I
Speaker 4: got I got hurt during the game.
Speaker 17: I was catchy for some reason, and h Randy Owen
Speaker 17: came to bat for the first time and he took
Speaker 17: a first pitch and the second pitch he popped it
Speaker 17: up a foul ball right straight behind up and straight
Speaker 17: behind home plate, and I turned to go try and
Speaker 17: catch it, and I dove and missed it went up
Speaker 17: and skipped up with my glove and I like smashed
Speaker 17: my face into a hard ground. And so he was
Speaker 17: like nice, Trim. But he remembers that game to this day.
Speaker 17: I've talked to him many times over the years since then. Uh,
Speaker 17: and he remembers that like it was yesterday. It was
Speaker 17: so much fun.
Speaker 4: And we won the game at the end and wound
Speaker 4: up getting booed off the field because they were so popular.
Speaker 17: It just couldn't believe, we know, they didn't come there
Speaker 17: to watch, you know, then lose or whatever it was.
Speaker 17: It was just so much fun though.
Speaker 2: That was the biggest That was the biggest crowd in
Speaker 2: Ingles Stadium. That stadium's history too, and you know, it
Speaker 2: was a minor league ballpark and uh, I think today
Speaker 2: it's a Reds affiliate. I'm not sure if Chattanooga is
Speaker 2: a Red's affiliate or not.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, they was, but anyway, yeah,
Speaker 4: at that time.
Speaker 17: The next year, Oh, Jackson's very first professional baseball game.
Speaker 17: He got signed by whoever and was I think playing
Speaker 17: for Birmingham for like ten minutes and came to Chattanooga.
Speaker 17: Was his very first game. And it drew like six
Speaker 17: thousand because he was Bo Jackson.
Speaker 1: We out drew werew We outdrew Bo Jackson.
Speaker 4: We outdrew Bo Jackson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bo no second place.
Speaker 17: Well that's how popular Alabama was. Yeah, it's incredible. And
Speaker 17: then and they're so nice, you know. That was one
Speaker 17: of the great things.
Speaker 4: We did.
Speaker 17: Lots of neat stuff, the Haunted caverns at Ruby Falls
Speaker 17: inside and Lookout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sky show, the sky show, the big balloon
Speaker 2: show at Raccoon Mountain.
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's the very first spring we were there. We
Speaker 17: got there and you and I got there like basically
Speaker 17: the same week, and I think February of eighty one,
Speaker 17: and then that very spring in May, I think or June,
Speaker 17: we had the sky show with the balloons and the
Speaker 17: ultra light hang gliders, and that was at Raccoon Mountain.
Speaker 17: That was a nice place.
Speaker 2: I always remember too, the trip that you and I
Speaker 2: took to Nashville for Charlie Daniels Volunteer jam underneath the
Speaker 2: War Memorial Auditorium in downtown Nashville. And we've got a
Speaker 2: broadcast table there in the basement underneath the stage, and
Speaker 2: all of these I mean you're talking about Marshall Tucker
Speaker 2: and the Outlaws and Black Oak Arkansas and all of
Speaker 2: these Southern rock bands are all playing on this one night.
Speaker 2: And Charlie Daniels and we got to broadcast from there
Speaker 2: and just see, you know, all of this basically Southern
Speaker 2: rock royalty all in one place. That was very special.
Speaker 2: And other people too. We met James Brown, remember, Carl
Speaker 2: Perkins was there. Yep, Crystal Gale, it just the whole spectrum.
Speaker 2: It was thirty acts in eight hours, the best concert ever.
Speaker 2: Everybody came out and played twenty minutes, thirty minutes, and
Speaker 2: then they would disappear. Then they'd come back out later
Speaker 2: and play as part of a jam band with Charlie
Speaker 2: or whoever. The one year I think wood he Herman
Speaker 2: and his Thundering Herd opened the show. You know, they
Speaker 2: were like a Guy Lombardo kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Stevie ray Vaughan.
Speaker 17: The only time I ever got to see Stevie ray
Speaker 17: Vaughn was at a Charlie Daniels volunteer jam I seen
Speaker 17: watching with Redbeard from Rock Oneyal three in Memphis. We
Speaker 17: snuck up from behind the doing the interviews and stuff
Speaker 17: and went up and just to see Stevie ray for
Speaker 17: the first time, both of us. It was just like unbelievable, unbelieable,
Speaker 17: and you want to see Willie and you got to
Speaker 17: see cool bands you never got see anywhere else. Willie
Speaker 17: Nelson would show up once in a while and whatever
Speaker 17: I want need it to see Don Henley at the
Speaker 17: Bone Skirt jam and all.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's great.
Speaker 17: Little Richard got booed off the stage one you remember that,
Speaker 17: Yes I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little.
Speaker 17: Richard got up on stage and started talking about how
Speaker 17: he was the Elvis was nothing without little Richards.
Speaker 4: Everybody started started booing oh God, here we go.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: Let's let's take a quick break and we'll come back
Speaker 2: and share a few more memories because you were here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati with us at seven hundred WLW four two
Speaker 2: short a time in my opinion, but I want to
Speaker 2: talk about some of the things that you brought to
Speaker 2: the table, both in in Nashville when we worked together
Speaker 2: and here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: It's Eric Page, my old radio pal.
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Speaker 2: Only one of the finest radio talents I ever worked
Speaker 2: with in my entire forty four year career. First in Chattanooga, Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and then in Nashville, and we work together again here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati actually at seven hundred WLW, and that's where.
Speaker 1: This is airing at the moment, just in case you
Speaker 1: hadn't No.
Speaker 2: It's the Nightcap, Gary Jeff with Eric Page the pager.
Speaker 2: And you had these brief stints in other places besides Chattanooga,
Speaker 2: and some pretty interesting and wonderful radio stations, the least
Speaker 2: of which certainly not why one of seven in Nashville
Speaker 2: at the time you were there, we were number one
Speaker 2: with a bullet and you would come to the station
Speaker 2: and added a wonderful I found a photo Eric of you,
Speaker 2: me and Mark Chase somewhere. We've got our station shirts
Speaker 2: on it, and we're looking very eighties preppy, but somewhere
Speaker 2: somewhere with microphones in our hands doing something, and we
Speaker 2: still looked like we weren't lizard people yet, and.
Speaker 17: We were a small man of renegades.
Speaker 2: Yes, we were the outrageous FM. You worked in big markets.
Speaker 2: You worked in Washington, d C. For one week. I
Speaker 2: remember that, and you told me, you told me the story. Washington,
Speaker 2: DC is a union town. And what that means in
Speaker 2: radio is that the talent which I've I've discerned that
Speaker 2: the term talent stands for talking ass lacking every necessary tool.
Speaker 2: But we were talent with the talent in a union
Speaker 2: radio station doesn't do anything but talk, basically, that's right,
Speaker 2: And you're doing You've got a guy playing the records
Speaker 2: across from you when you're on the air, and you
Speaker 2: couldn't even listen to the tape of yourself in the
Speaker 2: production room without someone barging in.
Speaker 1: Tell me that story, you know.
Speaker 4: Well, you know how we were.
Speaker 17: We were used to like being on the air, But
Speaker 17: while a song is playing, we run back to the
Speaker 17: production room and starts splicing something up to bring back, you.
Speaker 4: Know, play on the air.
Speaker 17: I wasn't allowed to put a cassette in a machine.
Speaker 17: I went nuts. It was like, you got to be kidding.
Speaker 17: I had to get wake up an engineer off the couch,
Speaker 17: you know. Yeah, it was the most incredible thing I've
Speaker 17: ever seen in my life. It was so unlike what
Speaker 17: I really wanted to be doing, which is what I
Speaker 17: was used to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're used to. We're used to engineering our own thing.
Speaker 2: We're used to killing up the record, getting the CD
Speaker 2: or the cart ready, you know, and firing that answering
Speaker 2: the phone at a Union radio station. You didn't do
Speaker 2: any of that. You didn't even get to answer your
Speaker 2: own phone on the air.
Speaker 17: We used to hand edit seven or eight or whatever
Speaker 17: responses to something and play it immediately coming out of
Speaker 17: whatever we just came out of, you know, and and
Speaker 17: doing it like that. And then it was just not
Speaker 17: like that anymore. And they brought me there to compete
Speaker 17: against Howard Stern because the DC one O three it
Speaker 17: was had I had hired Howard Stern and uh and
Speaker 17: I could just beat.
Speaker 4: The crap out of him. So that's what they brought
Speaker 4: me there for. And it just it just didn't work out.
Speaker 2: Didn't work out. How did How did you eventually landed
Speaker 2: in Nashville? Because the details on that are kind of foggy.
Speaker 2: I know that Mark Chase brought you in and we
Speaker 2: were all there in the late eighties, and like I said,
Speaker 2: in the greatest days of that radio station, which of
Speaker 2: course doesn't exist, is why one of seven anymore?
Speaker 1: It's I think they call it the roof, but I.
Speaker 17: Know I add to my experience in DC, I wound
Speaker 17: up it kicks one O four in Nashville. From there,
Speaker 17: where you've been yep, and a lot of folks of
Speaker 17: a bunch of people we know, you know, I'd gone
Speaker 17: through There's a Kyote, McLeod, many many more. And then
Speaker 17: because I'd met Mark before one of the volunteer jams,
Speaker 17: I think, and so we kind of had a relationship
Speaker 17: and you were already working there, and so it just
Speaker 17: kind of helped and I was able to slip in
Speaker 17: there after getting on of going one O four when
Speaker 17: I'm doing changed to something else. Yeah, I was on
Speaker 17: the here like ninety minutes later at Wyel seven.
Speaker 2: Eric Page, if you were a Reds on the radio fan,
Speaker 2: and many of you are, even though there's been less
Speaker 2: reason to be a fan lately than ordinarily. But anyway,
Speaker 2: if you're a Reds Radio Red's on radio fan, you're
Speaker 2: familiar with the pregame show that's called the Inside Pitch.
Speaker 1: Eric Page is.
Speaker 2: The one that branded that show and actually started it,
Speaker 2: because before that they were doing a pregame show, but
Speaker 2: it was just kind of an amorphous. It's a Red's
Speaker 2: pregame and Eric came up with the name Inside Pitch,
Speaker 2: and you did so much work in getting that pregame
Speaker 2: red Show up to par you know, to this day
Speaker 2: to this day, you were the template for a great
Speaker 2: pregame radio show before Reds Baseball. Any thoughts on the
Speaker 2: development of the inside pitch.
Speaker 17: Well, yeah, thanks for that. It's a well, it was
Speaker 17: not my idea entirely, of course, it was marking a
Speaker 17: bunch of other people. Baseball pregame shows had been a
Speaker 17: five minute kind of thing before that, from to nineteen
Speaker 17: twenties when radio broadcast started, it was the announcer that
Speaker 17: mad announcer talked to the manager for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 17: It was some commercials they came back at the starting lineup,
Speaker 17: probably the national anthem, and then first pitch boom. We
Speaker 17: decided to do a thirty minute formatted pregame show and
Speaker 17: it was you know, the big team. Scott Springer, Huge,
Speaker 17: Seggy was in on all that, and we just put
Speaker 17: it together every single day. We started going to spring
Speaker 17: training and just just banking tons and tons of conversations
Speaker 17: and thoughts with people. So when something came up about
Speaker 17: you know, the infill fly rule or whatever, we had
Speaker 17: something on tape and ready to go. And then we
Speaker 17: did the updates and from the field, and we highlights
Speaker 17: from around the league and all this kind of stuff
Speaker 17: and it was a big spot.
Speaker 4: It was a hit.
Speaker 17: I mean from the beginning it was a lot of
Speaker 17: fun to do, but it was a year round thing.
Speaker 17: It took a year. You know, there was never a
Speaker 17: day off in baseball. But I really love about it,
Speaker 17: you know, getting to work with Marty and Joe people
Speaker 17: like that on a daily basis, it's just incredible. I mean,
Speaker 17: you can't describe that. And then later I got to
Speaker 17: work at the Atlanta Braves and Skip Carry and Pete
Speaker 17: Van Wien and Don Sutton, and I learned more about
Speaker 17: baseball every day than I you know, I knew in
Speaker 17: my whole life, because I just love baseball. I never played,
Speaker 17: but doing reds baseball at WLW was nothing. There's nothing
Speaker 17: like it. It never was, never will be. It was
Speaker 17: the best thing I ever did, most fun ever had.
Speaker 17: I wish it would have lasted a lot longer, but
Speaker 17: it didn't. But you know, the lasted a day. And
Speaker 17: I told Marty this, you know more than once. Now,
Speaker 17: if it only lasted a day, it was worth it.
Speaker 17: And everybody that loved.
Speaker 4: Baseball as much as I do could do that for
Speaker 4: one day and maybe that would be great.
Speaker 2: Your your hometown is Evansville, Indiana, which happens to be
Speaker 2: the hometown of one Don Mattingly don Donnie Baseball.
Speaker 1: Did you know Donny Baseball? Growing up?
Speaker 17: Grew up don up, grew up with Donnie Baseball. He
Speaker 17: played the little league and baby brief league with coming up,
Speaker 17: growing up with some of my best friends and was
Speaker 17: around don a lot that known don forever. I mean,
Speaker 17: we've done a bunch of fun stuff together.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 17: When he had the the campaign that was I think
Speaker 17: Nike or something that uh, he and Kim Grippy Junior
Speaker 17: did where Mattingly hits a baseball at Yankee Stadium and
Speaker 17: Grippy's in center field there and he chases the ball
Speaker 17: all the way across the country and catches it in Seattle.
Speaker 17: We did the radio version of that with Nike, and
Speaker 17: uh I did those in evans but it was with
Speaker 17: Donnie had a really cool bar there, and we did
Speaker 17: a lot of charity stuff together over the years. And
Speaker 17: he's a wonderful guy. I hope he's the next manager
Speaker 17: the Yankees.
Speaker 2: A little dude, you have, you have kind of a
Speaker 2: I mean maybe not a direct tie, but you kind
Speaker 2: of relationship with another Indiana boy.
Speaker 1: John Mellencamp too.
Speaker 17: John, I've known for more than football, almost twenty five years.
Speaker 17: I guess we first met nineteen eighty Yeah, before you
Speaker 17: and I even met. I've been friends ever since. Got
Speaker 17: to go backstage at one of his concerts at the
Speaker 17: Grand Old Operator, which is in eighty four, and it
Speaker 17: was so cool. John was great that night. He was
Speaker 17: one of his best shows. There was the first rock
Speaker 17: show they have a like regular rock show. They scheduled
Speaker 17: to play at the Grand Ole Operator or a minute
Speaker 17: after afterwards. But I got to meet Roy Acuff that night,
Speaker 17: and Minnie Pearl was there, and John Primee was there.
Speaker 17: Just so a lot of great memories of John. Yeah,
Speaker 17: from Indiana. We played at the same time in nineteen
Speaker 17: seventy nine. He was still playing at a bar called
Speaker 17: the Blue Note in Bloomington, and I was a club
Speaker 17: jock and a block down the street at the Regulator,
Speaker 17: and I was a kid in nineteen.
Speaker 2: No, no, no doubt. My tie to John Mellencamp is
Speaker 2: very It's way different. Never we're friends, never had a
Speaker 2: lot of time together. But I'm sitting in my radio class. Actually,
Speaker 2: this is years after I'd graduated from Vall State there
Speaker 2: in Gallatin, and I'm talking to my old professor, Skiff Sparkman,
Speaker 2: and he's got a picture on his desk of these
Speaker 2: just him and a bunch of kids from like the seventies.
Speaker 2: He goes, you know who that is? You know who's
Speaker 2: in He said, that's John Mellencamp. He was a student
Speaker 2: of mine at Vincennes Junior College in radio he did.
Speaker 4: And he was there to be a DJ. He wanted
Speaker 4: to be a radio DJ, and he told me was
Speaker 4: good enough.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you the conversation that Skiff had
Speaker 2: with John. He said he pulled it aside after the
Speaker 2: first quarter of school and said, John, what do you
Speaker 2: really want to do in life? And Johnson what he said,
Speaker 2: I want to play music? He said you should go.
Speaker 2: After that, he said he was the worst student he'd
Speaker 2: ever had.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, John's not like anybody else. He's really not.
Speaker 17: He's an acquiet taste too. Really, I think he's marrible.
Speaker 17: And I'm glad he's you know, they're still doing well.
Speaker 17: But he always seemed like he was the same age
Speaker 17: as me. But he's not. He's eight or nine years old.
Speaker 17: He's seventy seventy one now or something. Of them, and
Speaker 17: I'm a mire sixty four. We were nineteen years old,
Speaker 17: I think at twenty years old when we started working
Speaker 17: in chatt America. Absolutely kids, man, twenty years old.
Speaker 4: I live on our own.
Speaker 2: February of nineteen eighty February of nineteen eighty one, I'm
Speaker 2: twenty years old. It's my first time away from home.
Speaker 2: And then I get to meet you and you're my
Speaker 2: tour guide through this crazy malay.
Speaker 17: Thanks oh man, h You know, I was and I
Speaker 17: was married with a little baby. And that little baby
Speaker 17: is will be forty four years old next month.
Speaker 1: How about that? Has hats off to Brett. So I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta ask.
Speaker 2: I gotta ask you a question and you may not
Speaker 2: have you may have want more than one answer for this.
Speaker 4: Eric.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Eric Page American History on the radio
Speaker 2: in the Nightcap, and the question is you've been out
Speaker 2: quite a while of the business.
Speaker 1: Do you miss it all the time?
Speaker 2: Do you miss it some of the time, or do
Speaker 2: you not miss it at all?
Speaker 17: I miss doing a show. I miss actually showing up
Speaker 17: and just doing the work, just doing you know, the
Speaker 17: actual podcast. I don't I don't miss anything else outside
Speaker 17: of it. I sometimes I missed the production. I missed
Speaker 17: being able to be in a production room for a
Speaker 17: couple of hours a day and and out stuff with it.
Speaker 17: It's just a commercial for somebody's lawn and garden center
Speaker 17: or whatever. It's just or just creating something else with
Speaker 17: the show to mond and the show prep. I missed that,
Speaker 17: But I still do it all in my mind, so
Speaker 17: I really I'm still doing it. I think I think
Speaker 17: I never stopped. I just I just don't actually broadcast anymore.
Speaker 17: And I think that's the only difference.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I tell the people too. I miss you guys.
Speaker 17: I miss everybody, but everybody's gone. I mean you're You're
Speaker 17: like the only guy left who's laughed. Who's Mike mcconnall.
Speaker 17: I love McConnell, thank god. Yeah, And I miss you know.
Speaker 17: I missed Jim Scott. I'm going to mention Jim Scott.
Speaker 17: I thought he was just a wonderful person to work with.
Speaker 17: I can't I can't imagine a better pro. He was
Speaker 17: just always so welcoming and so encouraging and everything to
Speaker 17: me because I was just a nervous wreck, you know,
Speaker 17: can you imagine going on with Jim Scott? Like for
Speaker 17: the very first time. He's like, and I'm filling it
Speaker 17: for Springer or somebody, and it's just I'm just a
Speaker 17: nervous wreck.
Speaker 4: He was great. He let me get my thing, you know,
Speaker 4: because it's a little different, but he was great.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned, you mentioned, you mentioned Jim, and
Speaker 1: we all excuse me, you got me. We all missed you.
Speaker 2: But the thing that made Jim Scott so special and
Speaker 2: so popular was you talked about us. In early days
Speaker 2: in Chattanooga, we were out somewhere every day, you know,
Speaker 2: at least three or four times a week, meeting people.
Speaker 2: That is what Jim Scott had, and that's what he
Speaker 2: did for the entirety of his radio career here. Jim
Speaker 2: Scott never met a stranger, and he was literally somewhere
Speaker 2: every single day after he got off the radio, out
Speaker 2: in the public.
Speaker 4: And so wise.
Speaker 17: We were neighbors in East Waller Hills for while. I
Speaker 17: lived there too, and I got to see him a
Speaker 17: lot from this outside of work, which was great because
Speaker 17: it was just a little bit, a little bit there,
Speaker 17: you know, and I started as a great person. I
Speaker 17: miss her. I miss Marty alive, sure, miss Joe. Good
Speaker 17: grief Marty is one of the funniest people of him man.
Speaker 17: Until I met Skip care I had Skip Carrey's Harry
Speaker 17: Carey's grandson, Josh Carry was my action. Was my intern
Speaker 17: in Atlanta one summer, Joe, when I was a sports
Speaker 17: director at ninety six Rock and WGST there and doing
Speaker 17: Atlanta Braves baseball, And I just couldn't believe. It just
Speaker 17: blew me away that Harry Carey's grandson was my intern.
Speaker 17: It's like, shouldn't I be working for you? What's the deal?
Speaker 1: No question?
Speaker 2: Well, brother, it's so good to share some memories with you.
Speaker 2: Oh and we do it occasionally just personally over the phone,
Speaker 2: and that's great too. But the fact we get to
Speaker 2: share some of it with the Nightcap listeners under this
Speaker 2: platform is meaningful to me. And I really appreciate your
Speaker 2: time tonight.
Speaker 4: And thank you. I love you, and I miss everybody
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati. I love you all. I hope a see
Speaker 4: scene sometimes.
Speaker 2: All right, stay Rocky Mountain High out there in Colorado, brother,
Speaker 2: and watch out, watch out for the Democrats.
Speaker 1: They're surrounding you.
Speaker 4: They're not out They're not out here.
Speaker 12: This is a Mount Clay, Red Clay, all right, Aaron
Speaker 12: take take care for everybody.
Speaker 2: It's the Nightcab, I love you too. And it continues
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 7: A lot of people get their kicks talking trash about America.
Speaker 1: That just goes to show how ignorant they are.
Speaker 2: Someone needs to sit their butts down and give them
Speaker 2: a good solid dose of Bill Cunningham. Willie will teach
Speaker 2: them how lucky they are to be American.
Speaker 1: Do they really think it's better in Russia?
Speaker 13: Hell?
Speaker 1: No, better in Haiti.
Speaker 7: No one wants to be in Haiti, better in Canada.
Speaker 1: I don't want poutine.
Speaker 3: I want Bill Cunningham.
Speaker 7: He's a great American. Bill Cunningham. Tomorrow at twelve noon
Speaker 7: on seven hundred w l W.
Speaker 14: We're just days away from our twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: As we put the clothes on this nightcap on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW, Garry Jeff with my sinceres thanks to John Records,
Speaker 2: Land Decker Radio Legend and in this last hour my
Speaker 2: buddy Eric Page sharing some of our old radio guys
Speaker 2: stories from back in the day. I hope you weren't
Speaker 2: bored by them. It was a nice trip back in
Speaker 2: time for me. And if you're a fan of radio
Speaker 2: and obviously you're listening to this you are. I hope
Speaker 2: you at least appreciated that little look back with American
Speaker 2: history on the radio.
Speaker 1: Also thanks to.
Speaker 2: Doctor Marty McCarey, the new book once again is Blind Spots,
Speaker 2: about the medical profession, which he's been a part of
Speaker 2: for decades. New York Times bestselling author Blind Spots is
Speaker 2: out now and as always, the fur ball is always
Speaker 2: a blast. We'll see you again soon on another nightcap.
Speaker 2: A new season, Season eight of this show kicks off
Speaker 2: September thirtieth. Hope to talk to you then, if not before.
Speaker 2: Now our national land from Donna America on seven hundred
Speaker 2: w LW