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<v Speaker 1>That means I am in with you for the next

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<v Speaker 1>three hours.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to have you along. I hope you'll thoroughly

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy tonight's show. I know I'm going too, because well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is stuff I'm interested in, like American history on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio. We continue that series here on the Nightcap

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<v Speaker 2>tonight just a little after ten o'clock in the next hour.

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<v Speaker 2>John Records Landecker a true radio rock and roll icon

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<v Speaker 2>in our business and one of the great inspirations for

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<v Speaker 2>me as a young kid, as a teenager and making

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<v Speaker 2>me want to do this talk to you on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>John Landecker was a superstar of the nineteen seventies and

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<v Speaker 2>eighties and still is. He's still on the radio, but

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<v Speaker 2>most of it based in Chicago and the legendary Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>AM station WLS. If you never heard WLS, you probably

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<v Speaker 2>heard something close to now. Now, there was nothing close

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<v Speaker 2>to WLS. I'm sorry WSAI fans, but it was just

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<v Speaker 2>one of those landmark radio stations at a certain point

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<v Speaker 2>in American history and in music culture, and John Records

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<v Speaker 2>land Decker was at the heart of it all in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies in Chicago at that big booming station anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>one of my I wouldn't say idols, but one of

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<v Speaker 2>the people I always looked up to and aspired.

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<v Speaker 1>To be like.

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<v Speaker 2>And at eleven o'clock we continue with American history on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio. Joining us will be my buddy Eric Page,

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<v Speaker 2>who I worked with early in my career in Chattanooga, Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 2>and then in Nashville, and then finally here in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was for a very short time here at

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<v Speaker 2>WLW an influential part in kind of molding and crafting

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<v Speaker 2>what we call the inside pitch. Now the Reds pregame broadcast. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>those are the last two hours. And in this first hour, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the fur ball is here, and you know, with Andy,

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<v Speaker 2>you get what you get, and it's usually pretty fun

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<v Speaker 2>when we get going together. But next is doctor Marty McCarey,

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<v Speaker 2>who was one of the voices of sanity, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the medical voices of sanity in my opinion, during COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>He is from Johns Hopkins. He is well respected throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the medical industry, even though sometimes he goes against the

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<v Speaker 2>grain of what the medical pharmaceutical complex is telling us

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<v Speaker 2>all we should do. We'll get into that. Plus his

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<v Speaker 2>new book Blind Spots, which is about that medical industry

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<v Speaker 2>and how sometimes because of their hubris, they do more

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<v Speaker 2>harm than good. It's the Nightcap. Let's get it rolling

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<v Speaker 2>next with doctor Marty mcarey on seven hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>On Hopkins Medical Expert doctor Marty McCarry, New York's Times

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<v Speaker 2>best selling author of The Price We Pay, which was

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<v Speaker 2>an eye opening book, and look at the medical group think,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think we've seen a whole lot of in

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<v Speaker 2>the last four or five years that has led to

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<v Speaker 2>public harm and what you need to know about your health.

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<v Speaker 2>The new book is Blind Spots, and this is a

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<v Speaker 2>book that kind of continues that narrative, but it talks

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<v Speaker 2>about things like this explosion of peanut allergies amongst children.

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<v Speaker 2>It's now number two on Amazon best selling books in

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<v Speaker 2>the country. And once again we welcome to the Nightcap

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Marty McCary.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you, doctor yay good, Thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 3>having me.

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<v Speaker 4>Good to be with you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of times the experts so called get

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<v Speaker 2>it wrong and speaking specifically about the peanut allergy explosion

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<v Speaker 2>among children, there were doctors. The American Academy of Pediatrics No.

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<v Speaker 2>Less and two thousand issued a strict recommendation that parents

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<v Speaker 2>avoid giving their children peanut products until they're three years old,

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<v Speaker 2>which I mean when I was one and two years old,

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<v Speaker 2>we were outside. We were eating dirt, doctor, literally and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not because we didn't have anything else to eat,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know that our parents knew instinctively. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>from their raising they're growing up that kids need to

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<v Speaker 2>be exposed to things so they'll develop immunities to certain

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<v Speaker 2>possible allergens.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was a lot of wisdom to the dirt theory.

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<v Speaker 3>And actually it's basically true when you're exposed to allergens

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<v Speaker 3>early in life, in the first couple of years of life,

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<v Speaker 3>your body learns to tolerate them. And that's why it's

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<v Speaker 3>important for young kids infants, when they're five to six

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<v Speaker 3>peanut butter. Sometimes a little milk and eggs is also recommended.

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<v Speaker 3>But we have an epidemic of medical dogma, an illusion

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<v Speaker 3>of consensus among medical experts. When there's really no scientific

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<v Speaker 3>support they're saying, and they issue these blanket broad health

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<v Speaker 3>recommendations with such absolutism, when the reality is they're just

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<v Speaker 3>making things up. We saw that a little bit during COVID,

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<v Speaker 3>but the peanut allergy epidemic in the United States was

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<v Speaker 3>essentially ignited by the medical establishment ordering mothers to avoid

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<v Speaker 3>all peanut butter and peanut products for kids zero through

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<v Speaker 3>three years of age for fifteen years. They were saying

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<v Speaker 3>that with such absolutism, and it was really just eight

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<v Speaker 3>years ago that we got the definitive basic research study

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<v Speaker 3>where they randomized children to each approach and found that

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<v Speaker 3>peanut avoidance early in life didn't prevent penadnalergies. It caused them,

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<v Speaker 3>including the new type of super severe allergic reaction. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't have this problem in Africa and other places of

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<v Speaker 3>the world. This is an American epidemic. We're the worst

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<v Speaker 3>pen analogy crisis in the world, ignited by the medical

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<v Speaker 3>establishment's dogmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is something in the medical profession, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you're well aware of, called standard of care, and it

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<v Speaker 2>exists in these big hospital groups amongst doctors and nurses

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes the accepted standard of care actually is exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite of that. It's not care at all, because again,

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for cookie cutter, blanket kind of consensus decisions

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<v Speaker 2>and recommendations that I mean, we are all. We are

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<v Speaker 2>all as human beings. And see if you'll agree with

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<v Speaker 2>me on this, doctor McCarry, We are all. I hate

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<v Speaker 2>the term snowflakes because in my opinion, we're all snowflakes.

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<v Speaker 2>We are all individuals, and we all have different compositions

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<v Speaker 2>of our bodies and our body systems and our microbiomes.

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<v Speaker 2>And to say that this one thing, this one size

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And there's a certain arrogance to it. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>hear any humility when the medical establishment gets things wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>be it with our biggest health recommendations like the food pyramid,

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<v Speaker 3>or policies during COVID that hurt kids. You don't see

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<v Speaker 3>an apology. I haven't heard of any apologies.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why.

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<v Speaker 3>There's an epidemic of mistrust right now. Mistrust is at

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<v Speaker 3>an all time high. I mean, only forty percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the public trust doctors and hospitals. In a recent gem

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<v Speaker 3>Percent just five years ago. So public trust and profession

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<v Speaker 3>has gone down thirty percentage points in just a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of four and a half years. I wish the medical establishment,

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<v Speaker 3>with all their vigor and absolutism and insistence, would spend

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of time looking at their own blind

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<v Speaker 3>spots of actually talking about the real issues, the root

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<v Speaker 3>causes of our disease epidemic, the poison food supply that

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<v Speaker 3>we have, the engineered chemicals that go into our food

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<v Speaker 3>as ingredients, pesticides that have hormonal properties in children, and

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<v Speaker 3>the ultra processed foods that we take in with added sugar.

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<v Speaker 3>How we strip bread of its fiber and turn it

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<v Speaker 3>into sugar by tapping it up. We have done a

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<v Speaker 3>terrible thing to children in this country, and we have

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<v Speaker 3>a chronic disease epidemic. We're now hearing finally some people

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<v Speaker 3>talk about. But we have the sickest country in the

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<v Speaker 3>history of world, and we can't just keep medicating people.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not the solution to just have more and more medications.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's not a blank and endorsement either, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is some of the things that Robert F. Kennedy Junior

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about and you never hear anybody talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it in political circles, you know, And I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>about time that somebody is at least raising that awareness

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<v Speaker 2>and talking about it in those circles. The book is

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<v Speaker 2>blind Spots when medicine gets it wrong and what it

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<v Speaker 2>means for our health. Is it just humorous or is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there coercion among these big medical institutions and associations

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<v Speaker 2>that encourage We heard stories of a lot of doctors

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<v Speaker 2>being threatened with their licenses for you know, wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>prescribe hydroxychloroquin for example, in treatment of early COVID. We've

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<v Speaker 2>we've heard people being threatened. We've we've seen people doctors

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<v Speaker 2>being blackballed for not going along with the end quotation

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<v Speaker 2>marks consensus about things like that. Is it just hubrius

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<v Speaker 2>or is there something deeper and darker at play? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think, doctor McCarry, well, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think it's mostly group think. But for the small people

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<v Speaker 3>at the top of medicine, the oligarchs in our priesthood

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<v Speaker 3>of the medical establishment that tell us what we can

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<v Speaker 3>and cannot talk about, it does.

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<v Speaker 5>Get pretty dark.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you look at their gigantic mistakes and

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<v Speaker 3>the medical establishment saying opioids were not addictive for thirty years,

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<v Speaker 3>igniting the opio epidemic, getting the food pyramid wrong for

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<v Speaker 3>sixty years, igniting the obesity epidemic today, getting hormone replacement

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<v Speaker 3>therapy wrong, trying to scare women away from it, causing

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<v Speaker 3>needless suffering. In all of those examples that I go

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<v Speaker 3>through in the book, they crushed the descending doctor's opinions.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctors has said.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, there's no science to support this, we

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<v Speaker 3>can't put this out there with such absolutism, and they

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<v Speaker 5>People who disagree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not how science has done. Science has always

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<v Speaker 3>been about challenging deeply held assumptions, and maybe right now

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<v Speaker 3>in American medicine today, we need to recognize that we're

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<v Speaker 3>going down a bad path. We have the sickest generation

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<v Speaker 3>in the history of the world. Autism goes up fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>percent every year for the last twenty three years. Half

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<v Speaker 3>of our nation's kids are obese or pre diabetic or overweight,

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<v Speaker 3>and cancer rates have doubled in my field of pancreatic cancer.

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<v Speaker 4>Where are we going?

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<v Speaker 3>We have to stop and look at the big picture.

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<v Speaker 3>We need fresh new ideas. That we have had terrible

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<v Speaker 3>leaders in the medical establishment.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going down a bad path.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we need to talk more about treating diabetes with

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<v Speaker 3>cooking classes than just throwing insulent people. Maybe we need

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about school lunch programs, not just putting every

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I came into my doctor's appointment five years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the first time I'd seen a doctor in thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five years, doctor McCarry. So I was expecting terrible news,

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<v Speaker 2>which I got chronic high pertension type two diabetes. My

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<v Speaker 2>A one C was nine point two and the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing they did for that was put me on met Forman.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I've been on met Forman ever since. I have

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<v Speaker 2>altered my diet slightly. My A one C is down.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm also because I have some you know, mild

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<v Speaker 2>heart disease and had some some minor blockages. I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>a tour of statin. Are Americans on too mini statins

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<v Speaker 3>In your opinion, Well, it's ironic that we put people

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<v Speaker 3>on statins because we believe it lowers their LiPo proteins

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<v Speaker 2>You did recommend the COVID vaccines for adults but not

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, initially the COVID vaccine provided some

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<v Speaker 3>They sirened it through the regulatory process. They then forced

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<v Speaker 3>And so that is the most dangerous thing a government

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<v Speaker 3>can do. No, I don't support the COVID booster shots

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<v Speaker 3>in young healthy people until I see a clinical trial

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<v Speaker 3>or some strong evidence first. Because the pharma believes that

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<v Speaker 3>them what to do. Yeah, they're telling them what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>of skepticism about the vaccine because it wasn't a vaccine

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing that bothered me doctor McCurry about the

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<v Speaker 2>at any ad for any drug, prescription drug, about half

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<v Speaker 2>of that. There were never any list of bad side

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<v Speaker 2>effects other than pain at the injection site for the

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<v Speaker 2>COVID nineteen vaccines, and I just found that odd.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you think that's odd.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, they overcounted COVID hospitalizations, making the virus looked more

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<v Speaker 6>dangerous than it really was, and they undercounted COVID vaccine

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<v Speaker 6>complications and vaccine injuries, making the vaccine look safer than

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<v Speaker 6>it really was.

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<v Speaker 3>So they were very intellectually dishonest during COVID. And the

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<v Speaker 3>tragedy of the whole thing was that the entire nightmare

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<v Speaker 3>of COVID, the prolonged school closures, the learning loss that

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<v Speaker 3>were now we just learned from a Brown University study

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<v Speaker 3>equated to twelve IQ points, and the twenty eight million

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<v Speaker 3>people that may have died was all avoidable, almost certainly

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<v Speaker 3>in high likelihood, had we not had the most dangerous

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<v Speaker 3>industrial accident in the history of the world. And that

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<v Speaker 3>is researchers in a lab working on a back coronavirus

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<v Speaker 3>trying to manipulate it, allowing it to leak out of

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<v Speaker 3>the lab. And that's what, interestingly, no one really wants

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Martin McCary. The book is Blind Spots. It's brand new,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just out when medicine gets it wrong and what

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<v Speaker 2>it means for our health. I'm looking forward to tearing

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<v Speaker 2>into this, doctor, because I really appreciate your candor and

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<v Speaker 2>your ability to speak out, and you know you are

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<v Speaker 2>accepted as an expert from Johns Hopkins in your field

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<v Speaker 2>and speaking out about what we need to think about

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<v Speaker 2>as far as our health and medicine goes, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of railing against the establishment that you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about in this book.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your time so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Great to be with you, Thanks for having me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you enjoy the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely looking forward to it. That's doctor Marty McCoy.

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<v Speaker 7>This news sponsored by Delta Dental, building healthy, smart, vibrant

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<v Speaker 8>Any more information about the suspect while the investigators look

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<v Speaker 8>for a motive with the nine point thirty report, I'm

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<v Speaker 8>Sean Galviagher breaking now an investigation by the FBI and

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<v Speaker 8>it's early stages as a man is suspected of trying

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<v Speaker 8>to assassinate former President Trump while he was playing golf

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<v Speaker 8>at his course Sunday afternoon. The Secret Service saying Ryan

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<v Speaker 8>Rauth never got a shot off, and Trump was never

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<v Speaker 8>bay JD. Vans now calling for a reduction in the

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<v Speaker 8>ridiculous and inflammatory political rhetoric coming from too many corners

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<v Speaker 8>as he spoke to the Faith and Freedom Coalition dinner

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<v Speaker 9>No one has tried to kill Kamala Harris in the

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<v Speaker 9>I'd say that's pretty strong evidence that the left needs

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<v Speaker 5>Somebody's gonna get hurt by it.

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<v Speaker 8>But Vans and Trump have continued to push a false

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<v Speaker 1>Clear and currently seventy degree.

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<v Speaker 8>The Cincinnati man will spend ten years in prison after

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<v Speaker 8>Great American Ballpark. Monday night football action in Philadelphia. The

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<v Speaker 7>Everyone knows hey, neighbor.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, is your energy bill sky high again?

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<v Speaker 4>Too?

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<v Speaker 1>Not anymore? My windows were so lead.

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<v Speaker 2>To shoot the whatever with the fur ball. Andy Furman

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<v Speaker 2>is joining us. They I understand that, Andy. They call

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<v Speaker 2>Do you find yourself tending to just break out in

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<v Speaker 2>these fits every once in a whileland public places? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>have you seen a doctor about this? Maybe a psychotherapist

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<v Speaker 2>or something about this?

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<v Speaker 1>This?

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<v Speaker 2>You you have this pension for just breaking out into

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it is for you. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, you didn't even freaking well, first of all, you

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<v Speaker 5>That's number one.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing I said, another night with the fer ball.

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<v Speaker 2>What else do you want?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, it's usually it's usually a bigger intro than that,

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<v Speaker 13>And I did it yesterday when I.

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<v Speaker 13>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how many times in the Bengals recent pastor or

429
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:22.160
<v Speaker 2>not so recent past have some stupid injuries or some

430
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:28.039
<v Speaker 2>stupid penalties cost the Bengals a football game. And Anthony,

431
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, God bless him. He's a rookie. But yeah,

432
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.599
<v Speaker 2>that was past interference playing and simple and all you

433
00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:37.000
<v Speaker 2>got to do to get into Harrison. Butker's range for

434
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.799
<v Speaker 2>a winning field goal is somewhere on the field.

435
00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:42.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that guy's amazing.

436
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:43.240
<v Speaker 5>Way.

437
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:45.960
<v Speaker 13>You're right, I will tell you this much. I have

438
00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.000
<v Speaker 13>no problem with the rookie nicking that mistaken It was

439
00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.079
<v Speaker 13>the right call. It was pissed of the fearence. What

440
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:53.640
<v Speaker 13>led up to that, it was the blowout to melt

441
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:54.839
<v Speaker 13>down of Jamar Chase.

442
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:58.519
<v Speaker 5>I mean that hurt too, with that fifteen yard penalty

443
00:24:58.519 --> 00:24:58.880
<v Speaker 5>on him.

444
00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:02.000
<v Speaker 13>I mean, to control yourself. I'm borrowed at the very

445
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.640
<v Speaker 13>best he could to try to separate it from the official.

446
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.599
<v Speaker 13>I'm sure the magic Gordy said to the official was

447
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:09.640
<v Speaker 13>not where are we going to eat after the game?

448
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.359
<v Speaker 13>I'm sure that was not the magic word.

449
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<v Speaker 2>No, he was pretty animated at that point. And I'm

450
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:17.880
<v Speaker 2>the same way you are. I'm just sitting there and

451
00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm a Kansas City fan. I'm going Jamar, shut up.

452
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.279
<v Speaker 2>The plays over they made the call, just go back

453
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:27.079
<v Speaker 2>to the huddle. But no, he couldn't help himself.

454
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<v Speaker 4>Right what.

455
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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, and it's not just about

456
00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase, it's about me watching the NFL over the

457
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:38.519
<v Speaker 2>last twenty years. It's been at least twenty years, maybe

458
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:42.119
<v Speaker 2>a quarter century, maybe longer than that. Andy, Why are

459
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.519
<v Speaker 2>all these star wide receivers. Why do they all devolve

460
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>into these incomparable divas when it just because they can

461
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:54.039
<v Speaker 2>catch a football. Jamar Chase is no better now than

462
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<v Speaker 2>Terrell Owens or any of the rest of them we've

463
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<v Speaker 2>seen over time, who just think that they are so

464
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.400
<v Speaker 2>damned important that only they matter.

465
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:08.880
<v Speaker 1>It's me, me, me, me me, don't you agree?

466
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<v Speaker 13>I'll tell you if you want to go back to

467
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.839
<v Speaker 13>I dodeed this day are There's no doubt about that.

468
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:14.640
<v Speaker 5>And their paycheck represents that as well.

469
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:18.200
<v Speaker 13>However, let me go back and explain this whole thing started.

470
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<v Speaker 5>With the era of Dan Marino.

471
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<v Speaker 13>I called Dan Marino, the former quarterback of the Miami Dolphins,

472
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.559
<v Speaker 13>the godfather of the forward pass.

473
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:26.559
<v Speaker 5>He basically changed the game of.

474
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:29.000
<v Speaker 13>Football where it has become a passing rather than.

475
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:29.519
<v Speaker 5>A running game.

476
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.799
<v Speaker 13>However, However, if you look through statistics. I'm not a

477
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 13>statistic geet, the great Lance McAllister is, but I tell

478
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 13>this Lance may want to check this out. Eleven of

479
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 13>the fifteen teams last year that went postseason, okay, e

480
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.119
<v Speaker 13>love of the fifteen seas had great records and great

481
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 13>seasons last year had more touchdowns.

482
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:48.839
<v Speaker 5>By way of the run than the pass.

483
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 13>And the last several weeks in the NFL, the last

484
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:54.279
<v Speaker 13>two weeks is they're more rushing than passing. Look at

485
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:56.640
<v Speaker 13>the stats of the LA Charges what they have done.

486
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 13>They have outrushed their passing stats over the last two weeks.

487
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:02.359
<v Speaker 5>Because Jim Harbaugh.

488
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 13>Believes on the three odds in the Cloud of Dust,

489
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<v Speaker 13>I think the game is transforming right now and moving

490
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.599
<v Speaker 13>back towards the run game. Why the run game is

491
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 13>a valuable tool because A it eats up the clock.

492
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.440
<v Speaker 13>B you control the line of scrimmage and can move

493
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:19.759
<v Speaker 13>for first downs. And see it keeps the better players

494
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.240
<v Speaker 13>on the other team, like a Patrick Mahomes off the field.

495
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:25.200
<v Speaker 5>So the running game is coming back.

496
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 13>You know, the game is not new, there's nothing new

497
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:29.839
<v Speaker 13>that's going to be involved in the game of football.

498
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:31.039
<v Speaker 5>But things do change.

499
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.160
<v Speaker 13>They go back the more things over the past. Are

500
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.000
<v Speaker 13>they come back to the future. If you get what

501
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.000
<v Speaker 13>I'm saying, I.

502
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Get your drift, baby, And I'm telling you what. The

503
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:42.759
<v Speaker 2>most eye popping game that I got to see yesterday

504
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.240
<v Speaker 2>was dead New Orleans Saints taking a part of the

505
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Dallas Cowboys in front of God, Jerry Jones and all

506
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 2>those faithful at that stadium in Dallas in Arlington, and

507
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.119
<v Speaker 2>I just, man, the Saints are for real, man, And

508
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:01.400
<v Speaker 2>that's an offensive machine.

509
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:02.880
<v Speaker 1>They've done it two weeks in a row.

510
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 13>Now, well, here's the thing. I mean, when things let

511
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 13>that happen, you scratch head, say why is it happening?

512
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 13>They got a new offensive coordinator, but they have Kurt Kubiak,

513
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.480
<v Speaker 13>and he scored thirty seven points the first game, forty

514
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 13>seven points yesterday.

515
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 5>He's got him going.

516
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.640
<v Speaker 13>And no one thought that the quarterback situation nor Leans

517
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.240
<v Speaker 13>would be that good for them to be that competitive

518
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.599
<v Speaker 13>right now, and they are, okay. Offensive coordinator Joe Hardy

519
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.599
<v Speaker 13>basically in Buffalo basic goed like something like sixty five

520
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.599
<v Speaker 13>points in their first two bowl games. It's about coaching,

521
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 13>It's about systems. It's about people who coach and evolve

522
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.839
<v Speaker 13>into the system. And the players that they have. All Right,

523
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 13>everybody thought that would Buffalo lot Stefan Diggs.

524
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:41.880
<v Speaker 5>They'd be down the dumps. They're good.

525
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:43.960
<v Speaker 13>You got to stay Buffalo right now is a potential

526
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.640
<v Speaker 13>Super Bowl contender, maybe even more so than the Bengals.

527
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I've been watching the Jacksonville game a little bit of that,

528
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>the Jags game. And they've got that pool out in

529
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the stadium for fans to swim in.

530
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen that?

531
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.319
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just we were having that discussion back during

532
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics about the athletes peeing in the pool during

533
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the swimming events.

534
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how much DNA is in.

535
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.839
<v Speaker 2>A pool with all those little kids out there at

536
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:13.759
<v Speaker 2>a football game?

537
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>And do you like that? Do you like that these venues.

538
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:21.319
<v Speaker 2>That are designed for people watching sports teams have all

539
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 2>these other little amenities on the side. I think it

540
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.279
<v Speaker 2>really is a detraction from the game.

541
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.440
<v Speaker 13>I think course of a want to apologize at the offense.

542
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.039
<v Speaker 13>The offensive coordinate for the football those is Joe Brady,

543
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:35.960
<v Speaker 13>not Joe Harty. So let me get all right, all right,

544
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:39.039
<v Speaker 13>First of all, if I'm going to a football game,

545
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 13>I don't want to go swimming.

546
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 4>No.

547
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:45.359
<v Speaker 13>Number two, I question what what particles may be in

548
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:45.680
<v Speaker 13>the play.

549
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 5>I want to keep this as clean as I can.

550
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, well, the only beer that's been drunk at a

551
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.680
<v Speaker 13>bit at a football game. I guarantee you the color

552
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:53.480
<v Speaker 13>of the water of the pool is not blue and

553
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:54.440
<v Speaker 13>may be more yellow.

554
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 5>That's all I'm saying.

555
00:29:55.599 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Possibly, And and all those young fans out there swimming

556
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.160
<v Speaker 2>in that pool, there's Have you ever been to a

557
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>resort where like it's it's a family resort and you

558
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>get in the pool and after about fifteen minutes you

559
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>get out and you feel like you've got to take

560
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 2>three showers just to clean the film off. That's what

561
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I imagine that would be long.

562
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 13>I would think, Yeah, well, I don't know why you

563
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.480
<v Speaker 13>would go to a football game or a baseball game

564
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.200
<v Speaker 13>for that matter, and want to go swimming.

565
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:24.240
<v Speaker 5>We have to bring a change up.

566
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:25.720
<v Speaker 13>Do you bring a change of clothing and they give

567
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:26.240
<v Speaker 13>you a locker?

568
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:26.839
<v Speaker 5>What do you do?

569
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:28.599
<v Speaker 13>I mean, do you walk in with a baby suit?

570
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.480
<v Speaker 13>I wouldn't even know how it's done.

571
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.119
<v Speaker 5>How do you do that? It's not I mean if

572
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:33.720
<v Speaker 5>you come.

573
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.160
<v Speaker 13>Into a bowl game, you know, you come into a game,

574
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:38.839
<v Speaker 13>you usually have your keys, your car keys, your wallet

575
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:40.799
<v Speaker 13>in your pocket. You're gonna jump in the pool with that,

576
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 13>you got to obviously take it love and put a

577
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:43.440
<v Speaker 13>swim suit on.

578
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>How do you do that exactly? I know that you

579
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.319
<v Speaker 2>like to, you know, used to like to take a fits.

580
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:53.559
<v Speaker 2>You call it as fits at the athletic club.

581
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.359
<v Speaker 13>Well, I got it's just the athletic club. You're go

582
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 13>in the raw. There's no problem whatsoever. You just take

583
00:30:58.480 --> 00:30:59.640
<v Speaker 13>everything off and jump.

584
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 4>In, right.

585
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:01.279
<v Speaker 13>You know, it's not bad.

586
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, it's a relaxing It's relaxing for you

587
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>to be around a bunch of other naked, sweaty men,

588
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 2>is what you're telling me.

589
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:12.519
<v Speaker 13>Well, well, I used to go to the athletic club.

590
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 13>I was like the only guy in the pool. Not

591
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:16.319
<v Speaker 13>many people go there. I mean, you know, not many

592
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.799
<v Speaker 13>people swim. I think the average age of that place

593
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.480
<v Speaker 13>probably is seventy enough. If I can't swim, they'll look

594
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 13>if they could open their locker, you.

595
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 5>Know what I'm saying.

596
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:25.359
<v Speaker 13>So it's a different.

597
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 5>Ball game over there. But you know, I just I'm.

598
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.920
<v Speaker 13>Just saying, what hell we got off on this thing?

599
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 2>But what else has grabbed your attention in the world

600
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:34.240
<v Speaker 2>of sports this week?

601
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 1>What take do you have what acts do you have

602
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to grind?

603
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.240
<v Speaker 13>Andy Furman, Well, it's not an act, But I tell

604
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 13>you what I want to talk about. This something off

605
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.559
<v Speaker 13>the Fieldhich to me is somewhat serious. And uh, I

606
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.319
<v Speaker 13>want to go back a week ago with the Tyreek

607
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.480
<v Speaker 13>Hill basically pulled out of his vehicle prior to the

608
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:53.039
<v Speaker 13>game with the Miami Dolphins. And I read a column

609
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 13>and I want to say here and now that it

610
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 13>was written by Mike Freeman, an African American who I

611
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.279
<v Speaker 13>believe that he's a friend of mine. Mike Freeman is

612
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 13>the best sports columnist in America today if you've never

613
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:05.799
<v Speaker 13>read my freem and he's the best. And he wrote

614
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 13>about this, I think it was Less Friday and USA

615
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 13>Today talking about what he.

616
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:10.240
<v Speaker 5>Calls the talk.

617
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 13>The talk is what a parent gives a kid when

618
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:16.480
<v Speaker 13>he's growing up, or more so Pamba an African American

619
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.359
<v Speaker 13>kid than anybody else. And he says the story that

620
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Speaker 13>there was a police officer who started following him and

621
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 13>did so for about five minutes, he knowing he was

622
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 13>going and goring I could stop.

623
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 5>He said.

624
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 13>He got his documents out of his compartment, already neatly

625
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 13>stacked together, put them in the passenger seat, and then

626
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 13>there was flashing lights and the cops said my inspections stick.

627
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 5>There and and spired it had it was a pandemic.

628
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 13>I was barely leaving my house live alone getting my

629
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.759
<v Speaker 13>car inspected, and the officer understood and told me to

630
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.400
<v Speaker 13>get it done soon. But before she spoke, I rolled

631
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 13>my window down, put my hands on the wheelers who

632
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 13>I wasn't a threat. I told the officer, I'm unarmed,

633
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 13>there are no weapons in the car, and he says,

634
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.480
<v Speaker 13>my mom had taught me all these things years before

635
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 13>the talk. It was in my head during every moment

636
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:01.240
<v Speaker 13>of that encounter. And maybe tyr tyreek Hill forgot about

637
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 13>the talk, or maybe his parents never gave him.

638
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 5>I don't think your parents give you the talk.

639
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, but I think tyreek Hill probably And I

640
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know his personal family situation, and I'm not going

641
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.880
<v Speaker 2>to try and guess andy, and I'm not going to

642
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>just make assumptions about it, but I think that maybe

643
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 2>tyreek Hill didn't have a whole lot of parenting in

644
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<v Speaker 2>general growing up.

645
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<v Speaker 1>And that's sad to say.

646
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Other than maybe encouragement, and did tyreek Hill come from

647
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 2>a single parent family, was he raised by his mom

648
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>or his grandma, as many kids are today, and you

649
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 2>wonder these lessons they are important and it is all

650
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:48.359
<v Speaker 2>down to what the parents give their children as building

651
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:52.279
<v Speaker 2>blocks for life outside of the home. And you're right,

652
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.839
<v Speaker 2>that talk is probably one of the most important talks

653
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>any parent could have with any kid, regardless of their

654
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:02.119
<v Speaker 2>skin color. It's just something that you need to know

655
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:04.359
<v Speaker 2>when you go out. And you know, our kids are

656
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 2>not being prepared in general for life when they become adults.

657
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's that goes across all ethnicities, in all demographics,

658
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:20.119
<v Speaker 2>and and this is an issue that needs to be

659
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 2>addressed and it and we need to tell parents, hey,

660
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.800
<v Speaker 2>this is your job. It's not society's job to incarcerate

661
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>your children because you didn't give them that talk, or

662
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.119
<v Speaker 2>to arrest your children, because I mean, we'll have we

663
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>will if we have to, but we shouldn't have to

664
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 2>because you should have taught them better lessons.

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<v Speaker 13>No guy, I want to say this though the twelve

666
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.559
<v Speaker 13>does not guarantee safety because that happened. Is this is

667
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 13>a black driver's cooperating a police are still aggressive with

668
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.679
<v Speaker 13>the driver, So you know that, and is this some

669
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<v Speaker 13>research and this.

670
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:53.360
<v Speaker 5>According to Mike.

671
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:57.039
<v Speaker 13>Freeman, there's been some research that shows that black drivers

672
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.880
<v Speaker 13>are more likely to be stopped by police than their

673
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 13>white peers, and that means obviously more chances for things.

674
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 5>To go wrong.

675
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:07.480
<v Speaker 13>All right, And look, obviously none of this is Hill's fault.

676
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 13>He pulled down, he was handcuffed and thrown to the ground.

677
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.840
<v Speaker 13>It was ridiculous. It was bad. It's a bad look

678
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 13>all the way around. I don't know what the end

679
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:16.159
<v Speaker 13>result is going to be, if the cops are going

680
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 13>to be fired, or what's gonna happen right now, but it.

681
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:20.079
<v Speaker 5>Just was not a bad thing.

682
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 13>And look, Hill came back and said he could have

683
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.719
<v Speaker 13>been a little more cooperative as well. He could have been,

684
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 13>you know, he had the window up for fear of

685
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 13>maybe some of some of his so called fans would

686
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 13>have seen him. Look, he could have got arrested, right he.

687
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 13>No one mentions in the story though, that he didn't

688
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:39.480
<v Speaker 13>have a license. That that's that's not mentioned didn't have

689
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:40.039
<v Speaker 13>a license.

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00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I didn't I didn't realize. I didn't hear that part

691
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.960
<v Speaker 2>of the story. Tyreek Hill did not have a license

692
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.119
<v Speaker 2>when he got pulled over for speeding, and then wouldn't

693
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 2>open the window for the cop when he came up

694
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:49.599
<v Speaker 2>to pull him over.

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00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:54.440
<v Speaker 13>Okay, right, right, Well, you know it's shining ugly situation.

696
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:56.639
<v Speaker 13>And I don't know if if he didn't have his

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00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.599
<v Speaker 13>license with him or he just doesn't have a license.

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00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 5>I don't No, we don't know that.

699
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>How come if you're at that status in the NFL,

700
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>you're making that kind of money, you just don't have

701
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:09.880
<v Speaker 2>a driver to take you to and from the games.

702
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 13>Andy, Well, I'm gonna go one step further. I'm gonna

703
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:13.920
<v Speaker 13>go into the football.

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00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.480
<v Speaker 5>Elm of this thing right now. Number one, he was late.

705
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:17.760
<v Speaker 5>Why the hell are.

706
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:20.719
<v Speaker 13>You coming so late for a game that day? Most

707
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:22.719
<v Speaker 13>of these guys are in the locker room by nine

708
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:24.960
<v Speaker 13>point thirty ten o'clock for a one o'clock game, and

709
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:26.960
<v Speaker 13>he was getting there like eleven o'clock. So we're in

710
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 13>a hell weale number one. Number two, I don't understand.

711
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:33.800
<v Speaker 13>The old philosophy in football always was you don't practice,

712
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.960
<v Speaker 13>you don't play, right, Jamar Chase hasn't practiced, he's playing. Okay,

713
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 13>I don't get it. I promise you right now, If

714
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 13>forrest Greg may he rest in peace, were still coaching

715
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.320
<v Speaker 13>the Cincinnati Bengals. Jamar Chase wouldn't be playing. I tell

716
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 13>you that, don't practice, don't play. It's a different ball

717
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.559
<v Speaker 13>game right now. The inmates on the asylum. I'm not

718
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.639
<v Speaker 13>saying it's good and not saying it's dead. I'm saying

719
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 13>just that's the.

720
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:54.719
<v Speaker 5>Way it is.

721
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe Forrest greg we're still coaching the Cincinnati Bengals

722
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.119
<v Speaker 2>were he alive, they wouldn't have lost that game yesterday.

723
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.559
<v Speaker 13>What about that, Andy, I tend to agree, although I

724
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 13>think that's Zach Taylor and the hell of a game

725
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 13>plan with those tight ends right there, and the protection

726
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 13>is pretty good on Joe, and no one's talking about

727
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 13>Joe's water bottle or spiral or anything else right now,

728
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:20.559
<v Speaker 13>which is a good thing. And they went to the

729
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 13>tight end many times for receptions.

730
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 5>I think things are good.

731
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 13>You know, certain freaky things happened that the play that

732
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:29.840
<v Speaker 13>passed interference.

733
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 5>Call, and obviously Jamal Chase blowing up, and then again,

734
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.360
<v Speaker 5>you know, when money Mack.

735
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.800
<v Speaker 13>Misses the extra point, the game would have been tied.

736
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 13>It got actually the whole aspect of.

737
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:40.960
<v Speaker 5>The game as well, mister, there's a lot of.

738
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 13>Factors in that game. Who the hell thought he missed

739
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 13>an extra.

740
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Point, mister perfect.

741
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Evin McPherson whiffs on an extra point, and here we

742
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:52.079
<v Speaker 2>are twenty six, twenty five, a loss for the Bengals.

743
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.679
<v Speaker 1>In a win for my Kansas City chiefs. Hey, you know,

744
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Brittany Mahomes, I will say this, what what are you

745
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna say?

746
00:37:58.239 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

747
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.320
<v Speaker 13>Now, I'll just say I didn't think, looking at the

748
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 13>schedule that they were going to be Kansas City.

749
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.199
<v Speaker 5>And I feel pretty good the way they lost.

750
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 13>I mean, there's not to make things they need to correctly,

751
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.800
<v Speaker 13>don't be as sloppy. But the point is this, now

752
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 13>I know that this team is not as bad.

753
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 5>As they were an opening dick and.

754
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 13>Yeah competitive, Yeah, they're competitive now. And we've also learned

755
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 13>yesterday that maybe the paintings are as bad as we

756
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 13>thought they were going to be. They lost an overtime yesterday.

757
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>That's true.

758
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Patriots are surprising people. They have bounced

759
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.920
<v Speaker 2>back from their four win season of last year, and

760
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 2>they have beaten the Bengals and they pushed another club

761
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>to overtime. They're one and one, the Bengals are zero

762
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and two. They can't afford to lose on Monday Night.

763
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Football a week from tonight against the Washington Commanders. Though,

764
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 2>don't you agree with that?

765
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 13>Well, you know, when you're owing to, the percentages go

766
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:55.239
<v Speaker 13>pretty up, pretty pretty scaled up of the chances of

767
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 13>going postseason. Yeah, they've been lucky lest a couple of

768
00:38:57.800 --> 00:38:58.480
<v Speaker 13>years going on with.

769
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 2>To start to restart doing percentages, you start ohing to,

770
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:07.239
<v Speaker 2>you have a five percent chance of making the playoffs.

771
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 2>That is what is what the statistics show.

772
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I don't know.

773
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:18.159
<v Speaker 2>The Ravens to Also, I know I loved watching I

774
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 2>loved watching them lose. I can't stand the Ravens. The Steelers.

775
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>How about the Steelers? How about the Pittsburgh Steelers?

776
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Andy?

777
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:33.079
<v Speaker 13>Good lord, are we ever gonna see? Are we ever

778
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.039
<v Speaker 13>gonna see Russell Wilson play quarterback again?

779
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so.

780
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Probably not, I don't think for a ball. It's good

781
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.440
<v Speaker 2>to talk to you again. It's been quite a while

782
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.400
<v Speaker 2>since I've even had an opportunity to talk with you.

783
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.360
<v Speaker 2>But I'm glad that you could take some time out

784
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 2>of yelling at the UPS store. And I hope you

785
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.519
<v Speaker 2>have a wonderful rest of the evening.

786
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:55.920
<v Speaker 4>You too. Thank you.

787
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 5>Speak to you soon, all right.

788
00:39:57.840 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 1>You bet?

789
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.559
<v Speaker 2>You. You can't spell Furman without f you. It's the

790
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.880
<v Speaker 2>nightcap in American history on the radio coming up afternoons.

791
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 7>Meanwhile in Me and Chuck it Forest the Princess. Wait

792
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 7>a minute, where's the princess?

793
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 1>And she's on Maternity Lead.

794
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 7>We're filling in while she's out. But you're Eddie and Rocky. Yeah,

795
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:20.039
<v Speaker 7>So what this story is supposed to be about? How

796
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.760
<v Speaker 7>the princess does nothing but listen to your show?

797
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.239
<v Speaker 1>What you know, Let's be honest.

798
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 7>If all she ever did was listen to our show.

799
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't be on Maternity Leader. You know what I'm saying.

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00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 7>Oh, good point, guys, Eddie.

801
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 2>And rock tomorrow afternoon at three on seven hundred WLW You're.

802
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:36.679
<v Speaker 4>Smart, all right?

803
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.679
<v Speaker 13>You ready to get into the parents Okay?

804
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 4>Now, I bet yeah. I can make you on saying

805
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.360
<v Speaker 4>music words, saying up the phone on me. Oh that's easy,

806
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 4>w L boogie check. Hey, mister Wizard of Dot, I'm.

807
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 12>Calling him the name of justice.

808
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 8>If I'm a month ago, I called me a monkey

809
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:56.239
<v Speaker 8>Eddie on the phone.

810
00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 12>So if you say the right magic word, how did

811
00:40:58.800 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 12>you make a monkey out of me?

812
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:01.519
<v Speaker 13>I got something wrong?

813
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:03.079
<v Speaker 7>So if you say the right word, You'll make a

814
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 7>monkey out of me. I want to make a monkey

815
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 7>out of you. Go Banana.

816
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>That is some of the craziness that was known as

817
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 2>boogie check, an invention of one John Records Landecker when

818
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.480
<v Speaker 2>he was on eighty nine WLS in Chicago. That's from

819
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven. Today, John Records Landecker is a national

820
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 2>radio treasure and he is nightly doing a talk show

821
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 2>on seven to twenty WGN back in the Windy City.

822
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:43.280
<v Speaker 2>And this is American history on the radio on the nightcap.

823
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.639
<v Speaker 2>John Records and Records is truly your middle name, land Decker.

824
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 2>It's such a pleasure to sit down and talk with

825
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 2>you for a few moments.

826
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, thank you very much for having me on. I

827
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 4>appreciate it.

828
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh man.

829
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I kind of told you, but I'll

830
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 2>tell the all audience that as a kid growing up

831
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.440
<v Speaker 2>in suburban Chicago, we lived in Downers Grove in Napersville

832
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>from like sixty five to seventy one. Now, you hadn't

833
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 2>gotten a WLS at that point, but when I got

834
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 2>my first transistor radio, I think it was seven years old,

835
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 2>WLS was locked. As long as I was able to

836
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:25.760
<v Speaker 2>have the radio on or the nine volt battery didn't

837
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:28.599
<v Speaker 2>wear out and my parents didn't find out. I was

838
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 2>listening in my bedroom with the thing underneath my pillow

839
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:35.679
<v Speaker 2>says past my bedtime, and I heard all these great

840
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>voices and just a commanding presence of the jocks of

841
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 2>that day. And it was not just WLS, it was WCFL.

842
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>The top forty radio wars in Chicago were absolutely insane

843
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.159
<v Speaker 2>with the contesting and the money that was being paid

844
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 2>to the talent and the fight over the talent. You

845
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.079
<v Speaker 2>got there in what seventy three or seventy four to

846
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:00.679
<v Speaker 2>WLS when.

847
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.599
<v Speaker 4>We're seventy two. I got there, yeah.

848
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 2>And so anyway, I was still hooked on WLS when

849
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 2>we moved away, and of course with that big booming

850
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 2>signal like seven hundred WLW has big booming signal on WLS.

851
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I could hear it in suburban Saint Louis when we

852
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 2>moved there, and then to even to Nashville, Tennessee, in

853
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Middle Tennessee, and I would listen late at night and

854
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.480
<v Speaker 2>I would hear you, and I heard boogie check, and

855
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>it so influenced me in my radio career. Later that

856
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I started trying to copy it as crazy as it was. Yeah,

857
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 2>so what was the what was the origin of the

858
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 2>boogie check thing.

859
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 12>When you were first of all, First of all, I

860
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 12>want to say that it's a great honor to be

861
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 12>on WLW because it's one of the great radio stations

862
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.880
<v Speaker 12>in American history. And it also is part of my

863
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 12>current situation where I only appear ondeo stations that have

864
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 12>three call letters.

865
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.960
<v Speaker 4>So I wanted I wanted to make it clear, all right,

866
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 4>where did boogie check come from?

867
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:14.679
<v Speaker 12>If there was a real place that it came from,

868
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 12>you know, some.

869
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 4>Thought out, well thought out plan, I let you know.

870
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:27.599
<v Speaker 12>But it was a totally spontaneous experience on the air.

871
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 12>I guess this sort of starts with the fact that

872
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:34.960
<v Speaker 12>the term let's boogie was a spying expression at the time. Yeah,

873
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 12>it was being printed on T shirts and other items

874
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 12>of apparel and being used and as slang. And so

875
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:51.519
<v Speaker 12>you've got that as a base that term boogiele's is

876
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:52.559
<v Speaker 12>floating around.

877
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.960
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well, am.

878
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:03.800
<v Speaker 12>Radio the stations that played top forty rock music at

879
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:07.840
<v Speaker 12>that time had a reputation of repeating the same songs

880
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:11.239
<v Speaker 12>over and over and over again. And that's because they

881
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.880
<v Speaker 12>repeated the same songs over and over and over again,

882
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 12>and I was on at night and I got really

883
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:21.400
<v Speaker 12>tired of that. I was just you know, if you

884
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.199
<v Speaker 12>heard them once in a while, it was okay, but

885
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 12>if he were there every time they repeated, it became irritating.

886
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 12>So you've got that going on. Then we had a

887
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.599
<v Speaker 12>one of our air personalities was named JJ Jeffrey, and

888
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:45.079
<v Speaker 12>he had a mustache, and he was dating, and before

889
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 12>he would go out on a date, he would do

890
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 12>what he called a sixty second booger check, in which

891
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.920
<v Speaker 12>he would look in the mirror and see if there

892
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.239
<v Speaker 12>were any nasal deposits on his upper lip area.

893
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, one night, don't ask me how.

894
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.119
<v Speaker 12>I had no idea because it just spontaneously occurred. All

895
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.000
<v Speaker 12>of that came together as the sixty second bookie check.

896
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:15.159
<v Speaker 12>I started answering the phone live on the air at WLS.

897
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.960
<v Speaker 4>I had no idea what a boogie check meant. It

898
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:20.199
<v Speaker 4>didn't mean anything.

899
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.000
<v Speaker 12>You could interpret it, I suppose any way you wanted to,

900
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:30.000
<v Speaker 12>if you were like a twelve year old listener. And

901
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:30.880
<v Speaker 12>it just went.

902
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:36.639
<v Speaker 4>On from there. No One, as far as I knew,

903
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:39.199
<v Speaker 4>no one used Top.

904
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:44.400
<v Speaker 12>Forty or rock radio in that manner Prior to that.

905
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.920
<v Speaker 12>I mean, they took phone calls to the extent that

906
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:50.920
<v Speaker 12>you could hear a request or a dedication, But this

907
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:51.639
<v Speaker 12>was none of that.

908
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.559
<v Speaker 4>This was just random chaos.

909
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.239
<v Speaker 12>Going up and down the telephone line, live on the air,

910
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:04.159
<v Speaker 12>just reacting whatever I ran into. And it seemed to

911
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.679
<v Speaker 12>be something that I could do pretty well. And that's

912
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:13.320
<v Speaker 12>pretty much it. There's no grand design to it, well.

913
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, and it doesn't occur to me that it

914
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.440
<v Speaker 2>would be a thing that you put a lot of

915
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:19.079
<v Speaker 2>thought into.

916
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.480
<v Speaker 1>But that was the beauty, no thought into it.

917
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.960
<v Speaker 12>Not only that's one of the reasons I loved it.

918
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 12>It didn't require any thought, didn't require any preparation, you know,

919
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:28.760
<v Speaker 12>I just did it.

920
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 2>No, they would call and they would be stupid, and

921
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:33.239
<v Speaker 2>you would be rude and hang up on them. And

922
00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:37.639
<v Speaker 2>the idea was for listeners hearing this, and what's a

923
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:38.800
<v Speaker 2>bookie check anyway?

924
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Exactly so. But it was like almost like bull riding.

925
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.360
<v Speaker 2>If you could stay on eight seconds until the bell,

926
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:48.239
<v Speaker 2>you could win, right.

927
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.320
<v Speaker 4>I've never heard that analogy, but that's great. Yeah, I

928
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:52.840
<v Speaker 4>guess so.

929
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.480
<v Speaker 1>But it inspired me boogie check.

930
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Hearing that as a teenager and tweener inspired me till

931
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:04.519
<v Speaker 2>later on in my radio career do this game? I

932
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.480
<v Speaker 2>used to play at multiple stations that I've been on,

933
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 2>called what is it? And I didn't have an answer

934
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 2>for what it was. But when I got a creative enough,

935
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.719
<v Speaker 2>whacky enough phone call and they exactly it, it's this,

936
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.800
<v Speaker 2>and they'd go through some rambling dissertation about what it is,

937
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:22.039
<v Speaker 2>and I.

938
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Say, you're right, I can't believe you nailed it. That's great.

939
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.599
<v Speaker 2>But that was all because of listening to John Records,

940
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Land Decker and boogiey Check you know there.

941
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:33.920
<v Speaker 12>Over the years, people have said to me, how did

942
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:35.920
<v Speaker 12>you splice all those phone calls together?

943
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.480
<v Speaker 4>And the reason we didn't.

944
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:43.679
<v Speaker 12>They were always one hundred percent live or on delay. Rather,

945
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:47.320
<v Speaker 12>there was never any kind of pre taping at all.

946
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 12>The only concession that was ever made to the callers

947
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.000
<v Speaker 12>was the fact in the beginning WLS had note delay

948
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.559
<v Speaker 12>system because no one took any phone calls live on

949
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 12>a rock station, so the big f got put out

950
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.280
<v Speaker 12>over the airwaves. I mean, the SEC at the time

951
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:12.079
<v Speaker 12>said something like, you know, do whatever you can to

952
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.199
<v Speaker 12>keep these obscenities off the air. Well, you know what,

953
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.400
<v Speaker 12>once they're on, they're on. I mean you can't bring

954
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:21.840
<v Speaker 12>them back. And once that spread around that that had

955
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 12>happened in the grapevine of the Chicago teen community, that

956
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.559
<v Speaker 12>they had heard the big f on WLS the night

957
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:36.639
<v Speaker 12>before the place exploded with phone calls, and the engineering

958
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 12>had department Engineering department had to devise the first very

959
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:49.119
<v Speaker 12>crude delay system that.

960
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.280
<v Speaker 4>Allow bookie checks would be on the air.

961
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.559
<v Speaker 12>You'd go into the delay system for the for the

962
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:53.519
<v Speaker 12>phone calls and for.

963
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.360
<v Speaker 4>The bit and then come out of it at the end.

964
00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 12>Nowadays it's all digital and everybody's on delay.

965
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:00.880
<v Speaker 4>Much all the time.

966
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean yeah, from when they installed the

967
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 2>digital transmitter here at seven hundred years ago. Uh, that

968
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 2>added an extra delay to the system. But there is

969
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.639
<v Speaker 2>a delay dump system that we in the talk studio

970
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 2>and in the producer's room. There are giant red buttons

971
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:30.199
<v Speaker 2>that just stay dump exactly and I rarely imagined.

972
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.880
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, if you can imagine, there was none of that. Yeah, nothing,

973
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:41.480
<v Speaker 12>There was no delay system whatsoever, and so something had

974
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:44.280
<v Speaker 12>to be devised. And instead of telling me that I

975
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.079
<v Speaker 12>couldn't do it, which you know might have been one

976
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.000
<v Speaker 12>management reaction, uh, they were totally behind it. And I

977
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.400
<v Speaker 12>think that's another thing that's very important to note here

978
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.719
<v Speaker 12>is that the program director at the time, John Garan,

979
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 12>and the general manager Marty Greenberg. You know, I never

980
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 12>asked them for permission to do this. I just went

981
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:08.679
<v Speaker 12>and did it, and they saw how popular it was immediately,

982
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:14.239
<v Speaker 12>and they totally supported it. I mean, they had our

983
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:18.840
<v Speaker 12>jingle company Jam Jingles, Record Boogie Check Jingles in there.

984
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:19.480
<v Speaker 4>You know.

985
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:23.559
<v Speaker 12>They allowed people the air, personalities on the air to

986
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:27.519
<v Speaker 12>do whatever sort of came to mind as long as

987
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:31.119
<v Speaker 12>it didn't cross the lines of I get suppose good

988
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:36.320
<v Speaker 12>taste or threatened the license of the radio station. So

989
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 12>I mean, I think that's important to note is that

990
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.400
<v Speaker 12>the programming and the management of that radio station were

991
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.519
<v Speaker 12>totally into it, which is unusual.

992
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm very very I'll tell you.

993
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.480
<v Speaker 2>As a talk show host, I'm very very when I'm

994
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 2>talking about anything that's cultural or political. I am very

995
00:51:56.719 --> 00:52:01.000
<v Speaker 2>far right. Well I wouldn't say far right. I haven't

996
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:05.079
<v Speaker 2>blown up any buildings or anything, but thank god, yeah,

997
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:09.960
<v Speaker 2>right exactly, and don't intend to. But whatever the subject

998
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.519
<v Speaker 2>matter is, whether it's been COVID nineteen, vaccines, or anything

999
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.639
<v Speaker 2>else that I have talked about and taken a stand,

1000
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.360
<v Speaker 2>no one from iHeartMedia or here in the building has

1001
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:20.800
<v Speaker 2>ever said Gary.

1002
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Jeff, don't do that. You can't. You can't do that.

1003
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:26.920
<v Speaker 2>So I understand having the freedom and it doesn't matter

1004
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.440
<v Speaker 2>what it is, John, If you have the freedom to

1005
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.719
<v Speaker 2>express a thought or to do something that you think

1006
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 2>you need to do for you and your audience, then

1007
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>if you've got the green light to do that, you know.

1008
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.440
<v Speaker 2>And I don't ask permission either, Like you said, it's

1009
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:43.559
<v Speaker 2>always better to ask forgiveness and permission.

1010
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:44.719
<v Speaker 1>And I haven't mend.

1011
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 4>You know this wasn't There was nothing political.

1012
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I understand.

1013
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I was just giving you an illustration of the same

1014
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:57.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of the same kind of acquiescence by management of

1015
00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 2>letting the jock or the air talent be the air

1016
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>talent that they are.

1017
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:01.480
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

1018
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:05.960
<v Speaker 4>I understand, Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I do. So.

1019
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean to have that kind of freedom though, it

1020
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:13.760
<v Speaker 2>allows for some fantastic radio and you know, you look

1021
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:17.800
<v Speaker 2>back on it now and it just for me, it

1022
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 2>brings back a well spring of childhood memories. Over Labor

1023
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Day WEEKND something called rewound radio and that was on

1024
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 2>iHeart too. Had had just hours and hours and hours

1025
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.480
<v Speaker 2>of programming from WLS and WCFL back in the heyday,

1026
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.639
<v Speaker 2>from the time I started listening in the late sixties

1027
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 2>up through your era and up till like seventy eight

1028
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:44.239
<v Speaker 2>or seventy nine, and they had all of these great

1029
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:48.719
<v Speaker 2>voices that I remember as a kid listening. One of

1030
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:52.719
<v Speaker 2>the things I loved about that era and that market

1031
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.559
<v Speaker 2>and that particular radio station growing up with it was

1032
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.320
<v Speaker 2>not only the great voices, but there was a level

1033
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:04.480
<v Speaker 2>of condescension there that was just amazing. I mean, and

1034
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:08.519
<v Speaker 2>they weren't mean necessarily to the listener, but you know,

1035
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 2>it kind of had a voice of God effect, and

1036
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and listening to the boogey check, I hear you.

1037
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.159
<v Speaker 1>No iniquities shall be punished.

1038
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:22.760
<v Speaker 12>Wait, that's something that was specifically, that was specifically put

1039
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:24.079
<v Speaker 12>in there when somebody that was.

1040
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:29.400
<v Speaker 2>The was that the delay system, Yes, that was used

1041
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:30.599
<v Speaker 2>to cover up the obscenity.

1042
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 4>That was That was Bill Price, our production.

1043
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.320
<v Speaker 12>Director, and we had him cut a number of these

1044
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 12>very short bow as you know, a violated the world's taste,

1045
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:48.079
<v Speaker 12>and that played when that replaced the obscendity or the

1046
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.039
<v Speaker 12>off polo remark that had been on the air.

1047
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.440
<v Speaker 4>So that's where that came from that was what that

1048
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 4>was used for.

1049
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.039
<v Speaker 12>You know what, I want to say something else about

1050
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:01.880
<v Speaker 12>uh w ellis at that time. I'm one of the

1051
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:05.880
<v Speaker 12>keys to its huge success was the fact that everybody

1052
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:10.280
<v Speaker 12>got along so well, and you know, the lineup of

1053
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:15.840
<v Speaker 12>their personalities appeared on each other shows. We had a

1054
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.199
<v Speaker 12>great time on and off the air. We had sort

1055
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 12>of a prime directive, which was that the radio station

1056
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:23.239
<v Speaker 12>was there.

1057
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:28.320
<v Speaker 4>As a tool for our amusement and as a law.

1058
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:30.480
<v Speaker 4>You know that we didn't have anything to do with

1059
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:34.239
<v Speaker 4>the listener per se, but it certainly did in the

1060
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:36.760
<v Speaker 4>fact that the people who listen would always say, you guys,

1061
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 4>sounded like you were just having a great time, and

1062
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:40.800
<v Speaker 4>that's because we were you.

1063
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:44.880
<v Speaker 12>And I think that that, you know, transmits itself out

1064
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:46.440
<v Speaker 12>to the listener and they pick up on that and

1065
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:47.480
<v Speaker 12>they want to be a part.

1066
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:48.840
<v Speaker 4>Of that, you know.

1067
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:52.719
<v Speaker 12>And I've never been at a station that had that

1068
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:56.840
<v Speaker 12>kind of camaraderie before or since. And we still as

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00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:05.440
<v Speaker 12>a group maintain connections. It's quite amazing. Quite frankly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in speaking of the staff, what was Larry Lujack like.

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<v Speaker 4>John Well? I love Larry lu Jack. He was a

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00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:19.400
<v Speaker 4>great guy.

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00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:30.119
<v Speaker 12>He had this on air persona being sarcastic, and he

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00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:33.159
<v Speaker 12>was one of the hardest working people I'd ever met.

1075
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.679
<v Speaker 12>He was at the station hours and hours and hours

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00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:42.159
<v Speaker 12>going over newspapers and what was called wire copy at

1077
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.559
<v Speaker 12>the time, which came from United PRESI International Associated Press.

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00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:51.320
<v Speaker 12>He was dedicated to his craft and it was just

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00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:52.760
<v Speaker 12>a great guy to be around.

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00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:56.199
<v Speaker 4>He was fun.

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00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:03.880
<v Speaker 12>We all loved him, and that wasn't his persona on

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00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.440
<v Speaker 12>the air so much, but because it was a bit

1083
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:09.360
<v Speaker 12>of an act, but it worked very well for him

1084
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 12>and he was really well liked.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you a brief, brief story.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know, here's what I want to do, John,

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00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I want to take a break and come back and

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00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:25.920
<v Speaker 2>do another segment if you'll indulge me. And you can

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00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 2>tell this is what they call in the business folks

1090
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 2>to tease. We're going to hear funny Larry Lujack story

1091
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:35.639
<v Speaker 2>from John Records Land Decker and Records is truly his

1092
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.440
<v Speaker 2>middle name. One of the broad is one of the

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00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.400
<v Speaker 2>broadcasting legends of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>For certain.

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00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.079
<v Speaker 2>It's American history on the radio, and it continues after

1096
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.079
<v Speaker 2>the break on seven hundred w LW.

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00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:51.159
<v Speaker 1>When you want to feel good, you know what to do.

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00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.639
<v Speaker 7>Start my morning with Mike McConnell. McConnell with a big

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00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:54.599
<v Speaker 7>old mugg of coffee.

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00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:55.840
<v Speaker 1>That's how you do the morning, bro.

1101
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.119
<v Speaker 13>I get the latest news, traffic, weather.

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00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:59.239
<v Speaker 7>For plus Mike's brain.

1103
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:00.880
<v Speaker 1>The man is smart and funny.

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00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Starts the morning getting the essentials you need as well

1105
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:06.440
<v Speaker 2>as my much love mcconald charm. You ought to win

1106
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.159
<v Speaker 2>like a Nobel prize or something.

1107
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:09.159
<v Speaker 7>What about Oscar?

1108
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Who the heck is Oscar?

1109
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Be a morning lover with Mike McConnell Tomorrow Morning at

1110
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Fine on seven hundred WLW. In today's Marketers Report, Erica Taylor,

1111
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 2>chief marketing officer of gen Intech, weighs in on audio's

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00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:27.880
<v Speaker 2>ability to back with John Records Land Deecker American History

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00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.800
<v Speaker 2>on the Radio on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lengthy title. John.

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<v Speaker 2>When we last were talking before the break, were you

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00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:42.559
<v Speaker 2>were going to tell me a Larry Lujacks story from

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00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:46.559
<v Speaker 2>those classic vintage days at WLS Radio in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 12>So please continue, sir, Well, this is a story like

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00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:53.719
<v Speaker 12>that has a setup of middle and a punchline. But

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<v Speaker 12>I'll tell you what it was, Okay. I came to

1121
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:58.440
<v Speaker 12>WLS and seventy two. I came there from Philadelphia. I

1122
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:02.480
<v Speaker 12>was a very young kid. Larry was already there. In

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00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:06.199
<v Speaker 12>one of our little conversations back in our little DJ offices,

1124
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:10.639
<v Speaker 12>the discussion was, I've got to be about Elvis and

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00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:15.239
<v Speaker 12>the Beatles, and I said, you know, I really liked

1126
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:19.039
<v Speaker 12>the Beatles. I mean, Elvis is okay, you know, but

1127
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.320
<v Speaker 12>I really liked the Beatles. Well, anyway, Larry was a

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00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:26.800
<v Speaker 12>huge Elvis fan. And he goes, you don't know nothing

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00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 12>about music, you Philadelphia fill in the blank?

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, So years passed, a few years past, and Elvis

1132
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.480
<v Speaker 12>dies in the afternoon, and I'm at the station and

1133
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:42.480
<v Speaker 12>Larry isn't it. And I say, god, he's got to

1134
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.199
<v Speaker 12>know this. He wants to know this. This is important.

1135
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:47.599
<v Speaker 12>So this isn't on the air or anything. So I

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00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.199
<v Speaker 12>call Larry at home and I talked to his wife, Judy,

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00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.199
<v Speaker 12>and I say, Judy, it's John Landecker.

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00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.159
<v Speaker 4>I got to talk to Larry Elvis dye.

1139
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:58.599
<v Speaker 12>And she goes, well, he's Larry's taken a nap, And

1140
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:02.079
<v Speaker 12>I said, well, because he was the morning guy, right so,

1141
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.000
<v Speaker 12>and so I said, well, I think he would want

1142
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:10.079
<v Speaker 12>to know. He goes, he goes okay, and Larry gets

1143
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:14.599
<v Speaker 12>on the phone. Yeah, is it Larry, it's a land

1144
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:15.639
<v Speaker 12>decker at the station.

1145
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:19.840
<v Speaker 4>Elvis died.

1146
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:22.880
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I'm taking a nap.

1147
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:32.239
<v Speaker 4>We expect me to do about it? Click okay. Then

1148
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:36.920
<v Speaker 4>thirty maybe twenty five, thirty years later, the anniversary of

1149
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:37.960
<v Speaker 4>Elvis's death.

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01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:46.760
<v Speaker 12>I'm doing afternoons on what became wls FM, and I

1151
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:51.679
<v Speaker 12>had Larry's phone number from before he was living in Texas,

1152
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.800
<v Speaker 12>and I called him up.

1153
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.480
<v Speaker 4>And I go, Larry, you're on the air.

1154
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.360
<v Speaker 12>He goes, yeah, you're supposed to informed people out of

1155
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:02.679
<v Speaker 12>the air, too, bid Larry, I want to tell you

1156
01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:06.039
<v Speaker 12>that I wanted to remind you know, thirty years ago,

1157
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:13.679
<v Speaker 12>also died. And he just absolutely broke up, like hysterical,

1158
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 12>and he goes, I people, that's his story, and he

1159
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:21.719
<v Speaker 12>launches into this whole recap of the incident that I

1160
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:27.920
<v Speaker 12>just related to you. And it was funnier the second

1161
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:29.960
<v Speaker 12>time around because the first time it didn't happen on

1162
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 12>the air, right, So, and maybe it's not, you know,

1163
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:42.039
<v Speaker 12>like an hysterical thing that happened with Larry, but let's

1164
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:48.199
<v Speaker 12>just say it sort of encapsulates his personality and how

1165
01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:52.559
<v Speaker 12>actually he was totally approachable and had a great sense

1166
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:53.079
<v Speaker 12>of humor.

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01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:53.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you and I have both interviewed the legendary Shotgun

1169
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Tom Kelly this summer because he's got a book out up.

1170
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:02.480
<v Speaker 2>But I wanted to ask I wanted to ask you

1171
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.599
<v Speaker 2>the same kind of questions I asked Shotgun Tom. And

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01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:09.760
<v Speaker 2>you probably inquired of this as well when you talk

1173
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.880
<v Speaker 2>to him. What inspired you to be in radio in

1174
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:14.719
<v Speaker 2>the first place, John, What was.

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01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:19.000
<v Speaker 4>The That's a good question. I think a part of

1176
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:28.880
<v Speaker 4>it has to do with being around when radio at

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01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:30.440
<v Speaker 4>that time still had.

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01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:36.239
<v Speaker 12>What we would call entertainment programming, before the era of

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01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:40.719
<v Speaker 12>rock and roll. We're talking like somewhere in the fifties

1180
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:44.079
<v Speaker 12>where you could hear I mean I was really young,

1181
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.559
<v Speaker 12>but you could hear people. I don't even if the

1182
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.719
<v Speaker 12>names mean anything to anybody anymore, like Arthur god For

1183
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.920
<v Speaker 12>you would have a variety show with singers, and you

1184
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:57.000
<v Speaker 12>could hear drama like The Lone Ranger and Sky King,

1185
01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.639
<v Speaker 12>and you could hear comedy shows.

1186
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.599
<v Speaker 4>And things like that. And at the same time, my dad.

1187
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:04.880
<v Speaker 12>Who was a professor at the University Masipuid, was blind.

1188
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:11.159
<v Speaker 12>So I'm getting like psychological now and in retrospect, I

1189
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:13.360
<v Speaker 12>feel that that had something to do with my interest

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01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:17.239
<v Speaker 12>in radio, because of course my father couldn't see, so

1191
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.920
<v Speaker 12>therefore television. We were the last people on the block

1192
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:22.079
<v Speaker 12>to have a TV. But he would get all of

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01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:27.159
<v Speaker 12>his information from the radio. And I was a boy

1194
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:32.360
<v Speaker 12>scout and sold Christmas reads from door to drawer and

1195
01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:34.079
<v Speaker 12>raised a certain.

1196
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:34.480
<v Speaker 4>Amount of money.

1197
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.039
<v Speaker 12>And the money that I wanted to do with my money,

1198
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:39.599
<v Speaker 12>and we went down to an electronics store and I

1199
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:42.199
<v Speaker 12>wanted to buy a six transistor radio. You know you

1200
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:47.400
<v Speaker 12>mentioned your nine vote datter earlier, And there was a

1201
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:52.039
<v Speaker 12>channel Master six transistor AM only radio that costs thirty

1202
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:56.360
<v Speaker 12>six bucks back in that day. That was a lot

1203
01:03:56.440 --> 01:04:02.079
<v Speaker 12>of money, and I only had sixteen seventeen dollars.

1204
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:03.599
<v Speaker 4>And my parents matched.

1205
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:04.880
<v Speaker 12>It and.

1206
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:08.639
<v Speaker 4>Brought the radio home and my.

1207
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:13.239
<v Speaker 12>Father listened to his newscasts on that radio that night.

1208
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.159
<v Speaker 12>I was just totally into radio from the get go.

1209
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.800
<v Speaker 12>I pretended I had a radio station in my How

1210
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.360
<v Speaker 12>am I in my bedroom?

1211
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Did we all do that? We all did?

1212
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:26.559
<v Speaker 13>We all did that?

1213
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:29.480
<v Speaker 4>We all did that. I was talking. I was talking

1214
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.360
<v Speaker 4>to Tom Shotgun Toime. He did that too. I think

1215
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.719
<v Speaker 4>we all did that, and you know, and then I.

1216
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:40.119
<v Speaker 12>Was in high school. I went to University of Michigan

1217
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:42.519
<v Speaker 12>High School, which was run by the University of Michigan

1218
01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:45.880
<v Speaker 12>School of Education. It no longer exists, but they were

1219
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:49.679
<v Speaker 12>open to suggestion and I had a political science teacher

1220
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:55.119
<v Speaker 12>named Mylon Marriage, and instead of doing a term paper,

1221
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:57.920
<v Speaker 12>I was allowed to do a term tape or I

1222
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:01.639
<v Speaker 12>actually made a recording of something. And also at the time,

1223
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:06.719
<v Speaker 12>my girlfriend, her aunt was a quote unquote woman's editor

1224
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.840
<v Speaker 12>of a local AM station there in ann Arbor, and

1225
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:15.679
<v Speaker 12>she got me in to see the program director one

1226
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:17.519
<v Speaker 12>afternoon and I went out there and it was this

1227
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:20.719
<v Speaker 12>station that was on a dirt road across from a

1228
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:25.480
<v Speaker 12>dairy farm in Saline, Michigan. And I walked in and

1229
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:28.559
<v Speaker 12>talked to the guy who was on the AIRA went

1230
01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:30.840
<v Speaker 12>into the during a record. He went in and got

1231
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:33.760
<v Speaker 12>a bunch of turned out to be wire copy of

1232
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:34.199
<v Speaker 12>the news.

1233
01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:35.000
<v Speaker 4>He gave it to me.

1234
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:36.719
<v Speaker 12>He said, go into that room and when that light

1235
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 12>comes on, read this stuff.

1236
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:41.360
<v Speaker 4>And he made a bit out of the fact that.

1237
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:43.239
<v Speaker 12>There was a local high school kid that was there

1238
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:45.199
<v Speaker 12>who wanted to get into the radio. And that was

1239
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 12>basically the beginning.

1240
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:46.760
<v Speaker 4>That was it.

1241
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:51.760
<v Speaker 12>I started going out to that station after school. I

1242
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:54.320
<v Speaker 12>was hired as a janitor for a dollar fifteen an hour.

1243
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:57.559
<v Speaker 12>They had one rock and roll show on the air

1244
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:01.400
<v Speaker 12>during the week on Saturday mornings. From this, I joined

1245
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.960
<v Speaker 12>that show as a newsman. One thing leads to another,

1246
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:07.360
<v Speaker 12>and another and another, and I never left the business

1247
01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:07.840
<v Speaker 12>since then.

1248
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:09.880
<v Speaker 4>And that was it. Yeah.

1249
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I attended the thirteenth grade at Volunteer State Community College

1250
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:18.599
<v Speaker 2>in Gallaton, Tennessee, to for the radio program exactly, and

1251
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:23.000
<v Speaker 2>did not fit. I was making straight a's in school,

1252
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:25.840
<v Speaker 2>but it didn't matter. Once I had the job. After

1253
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:28.599
<v Speaker 2>a month internship at the local station, I was done

1254
01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:31.400
<v Speaker 2>with school. I had achieved my objective. I was just

1255
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:33.719
<v Speaker 2>going to go from there. Yeah, and that's that's what

1256
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:34.400
<v Speaker 2>happened with me.

1257
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:38.159
<v Speaker 12>You know, you said that you currently are like right

1258
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:40.760
<v Speaker 12>wing commentator and broadcasts.

1259
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:43.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I don't know about it, right Wayne, But okay,

1260
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:44.159
<v Speaker 4>but you know Rush.

1261
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.199
<v Speaker 1>Limbaugh, Yeah, oh, Rush Limbaugh.

1262
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Rush Limbaugh is the guy that inspired me, made me

1263
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:51.360
<v Speaker 2>want to get into talk radio out of music radio.

1264
01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:55.760
<v Speaker 12>Well, anyway, before Rush Limbaugh was Russell Limbaugh. She was

1265
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:58.599
<v Speaker 12>a jack at k q V in Pittsburgh. Yeah, And

1266
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.119
<v Speaker 12>one day at my house in Chicago, I pick up

1267
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:03.159
<v Speaker 12>the phone and it's him, and I have no idea

1268
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:06.559
<v Speaker 12>where he got my number, and he was calling me

1269
01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:12.039
<v Speaker 12>to see if I had any advice on how to

1270
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:18.840
<v Speaker 12>be a disc jockey. And I didn't remember this, but

1271
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:21.280
<v Speaker 12>I saw him at a like a I think he

1272
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:24.199
<v Speaker 12>was being inducted into the.

1273
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:26.719
<v Speaker 4>Hall of Fame, Radio Hall of Fame or something. And

1274
01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:28.679
<v Speaker 4>he said that he had called and that I was

1275
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:30.920
<v Speaker 4>eating a salad, and that's.

1276
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:36.800
<v Speaker 12>What he remembered of that whole experience. But you know,

1277
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:39.960
<v Speaker 12>he started out in rock radio. You started out in

1278
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:43.960
<v Speaker 12>rock radio. My tenure as a talk show host is

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<v Speaker 12>only like four years, and that's at WGN. And I

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<v Speaker 12>specifically stay away from any political or issue oriented content.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you don't want to want.

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<v Speaker 12>I just don't want. I just I just don't want

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<v Speaker 12>to get into it with anybody. I can't change anybody's mind. No,

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<v Speaker 12>nobody's going to change my mind. We got so much

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<v Speaker 12>visit divisiveness already. Everybody knows what they think. They're not

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<v Speaker 12>going to believe anything. Nobody will believe anything. I would

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<v Speaker 12>try to make them believe anyway. Oh No, you know

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<v Speaker 12>and it makes it easier for me because I'm a

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<v Speaker 12>people pleaser.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is this is John, This is exactly why

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<v Speaker 2>I love doing interviews like this because it is a

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<v Speaker 2>political has nothing it has to do with with an

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<v Speaker 2>interest that I have. And my whole thing is if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really interested in a topic, I can make the

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<v Speaker 2>audience interested in it and make it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's true, true, you're right, You're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I mean, no, I love not but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just when it comes time to tackle certain topics and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get into people. I just tell them the

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<v Speaker 2>way I feel it may be in the my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>My opinion may be controversial, and that may be why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm considered right wing by some people. So I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I may have given you the wrong idea there.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, no, no, I think having You know, if I

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01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:16.119
<v Speaker 12>had strong opinions that I wanted other people to hear,

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01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:19.319
<v Speaker 12>I would do that. But it's just not a part

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<v Speaker 12>of my And I may have a strong opinion on something,

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01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:24.560
<v Speaker 12>but it's just not a part of my broadcast nature.

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01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:26.039
<v Speaker 4>To be doing that.

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<v Speaker 12>And you know, I'm not a shock shock either, and

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01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:33.119
<v Speaker 12>so it's sort of this sort of old not old fashioned,

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01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:39.640
<v Speaker 12>but I guess traditional approach to a talk radio show.

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<v Speaker 4>Where it's safe.

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<v Speaker 12>We try to be humorous, informative. Obviously it is something

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01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:50.399
<v Speaker 12>big is happening, sure, news wise or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>We get to it.

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<v Speaker 12>But other than that, it's I originally came out and

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01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:00.199
<v Speaker 12>talked called it a radio oasis because I came on,

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01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:09.399
<v Speaker 12>ironically in the middle of COVID, and that's all you

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01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:11.760
<v Speaker 12>heard about and then and then it was also the

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01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:15.399
<v Speaker 12>political run up to the election, and we all remember

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01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:18.960
<v Speaker 12>how what that felt like. And so I just, you know,

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01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:24.520
<v Speaker 12>I just stayed away from it. My daughter says, Dad,

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01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:26.600
<v Speaker 12>you got a job during COVID.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, yeah, I know. It's sort of weird, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 12>And you know, we had the ability to do and

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01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:41.159
<v Speaker 12>you know this too, radio programs that originate not from

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01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:43.720
<v Speaker 12>the studio but from our homes and things like that.

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<v Speaker 12>And it was a long time before I ever went

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<v Speaker 12>into the WGN studios simply because of the whole COVID situation.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was a very turbulent time.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, just like every day felt like there was

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01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:03.079
<v Speaker 12>nothing but doom and gloom all day long. So I

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01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:05.359
<v Speaker 12>came on, I'm like, you know, we're not doing that now,

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<v Speaker 12>And initially it was. I got to tell you, it

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01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:12.000
<v Speaker 12>was very successful. I mean I had some rating periods

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01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:17.000
<v Speaker 12>that were and for a nighttime AM station, I was

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<v Speaker 12>like fifth in the market, and I'm like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's incredible in that market.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't think.

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01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:25.199
<v Speaker 12>I don't think it's like that anymore. Things are drastically

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01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:29.399
<v Speaker 12>changed and the station has changed a few things. But

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01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:33.319
<v Speaker 12>the great thing about WGN is that it's owned by

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01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:36.119
<v Speaker 12>next Star Media and next Star Media, we are the

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<v Speaker 12>only radio.

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01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:38.840
<v Speaker 4>Station that next Star Media owns.

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<v Speaker 12>They were on a bunch of TV stations, but we're

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01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:48.359
<v Speaker 12>it so the only child. Yes, we're the only child,

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01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:51.279
<v Speaker 12>and we get treated like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>John Records Landecker is our guest on the Nightcap American

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01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:59.199
<v Speaker 2>History on the Radio. And I guess what was your

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01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:03.000
<v Speaker 2>first big job, John, big money job, big market Because

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01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:05.439
<v Speaker 2>you worked everywhere. You worked in Toronto, I guess you

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01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:08.279
<v Speaker 2>worked in Philadelphia, the big break.

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<v Speaker 12>Let's call it that, because I suppose the money at

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01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:14.359
<v Speaker 12>the time was good, but it wouldn't be anything anybody

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01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:16.520
<v Speaker 12>would like bats their eyes at.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 12>I was a senior at Michigan State University and I

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01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:24.920
<v Speaker 12>was majoring in communication arts, And little did I know

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01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:30.159
<v Speaker 12>that there were these two radio officionados, Dave Alberry and

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01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.560
<v Speaker 12>Jim Donahue, who were students and loved radio, and they

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<v Speaker 12>were recording my show at night on this local station

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01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:40.840
<v Speaker 12>in East Lansing, Michigan or Lansing, Michigan called WILS while

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01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:43.239
<v Speaker 12>I was going to Michigan State and there was a

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01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:45.880
<v Speaker 12>disc jockey at CKOW and Detroit named Mike.

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01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:49.239
<v Speaker 4>Rivers, and that was a huge station.

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<v Speaker 12>And he got a job offer to go to WIBG

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01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:56.920
<v Speaker 12>in Philadelphia, and they had an opening at that radio station,

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01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:00.479
<v Speaker 12>and Albury and Donahue had sent him a the air

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01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:02.319
<v Speaker 12>check of me, a recording.

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01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:05.319
<v Speaker 4>Which he took with him, and he played this for

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01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:08.720
<v Speaker 4>his program director, guy named Paul Drew.

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<v Speaker 12>And I got a phone call out of nowhere saying, Hey,

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01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:16.800
<v Speaker 12>we'd like to fly you in for a job interview.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm married, I have a kid, I'm a senior in college.

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01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:24.359
<v Speaker 4>My father is a professor, my mother is.

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01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:28.880
<v Speaker 12>A social worker graduate. They happened to be out of

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01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:32.560
<v Speaker 12>the country on what was a sabbatical in Germany. My

1382
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.359
<v Speaker 12>in laws one went to MIT in Harvard, the other

1383
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:40.920
<v Speaker 12>one went to Bassard. The idea that I would drop

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01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:44.720
<v Speaker 12>out of college was something.

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01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:45.119
<v Speaker 4>I never.

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01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.159
<v Speaker 12>Thought of in my wildest dreams. But I talked to

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01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:52.880
<v Speaker 12>my professors, I talked to my in laws. My professor said,

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01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:54.600
<v Speaker 12>you know, you've got like a half a year left.

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01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:57.760
<v Speaker 12>This is exactly what you would be looking for in

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01:13:57.880 --> 01:13:58.920
<v Speaker 12>six months or whatever.

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01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:00.680
<v Speaker 4>Go for it. I did.

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<v Speaker 12>And it was terror in the beginning because I got

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01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:09.560
<v Speaker 12>this job and the guy who ran the station said,

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01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:12.880
<v Speaker 12>we're changing her name to Scott Walker, and I'm like,

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01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:21.680
<v Speaker 12>what's going on here? And this was a very tightly run, strict,

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01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:28.479
<v Speaker 12>no wiggle room format, and I was not very good,

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01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:32.800
<v Speaker 12>to be honest with you. I was surprised that wasn't fired.

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01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:35.960
<v Speaker 12>They hired me to be on from nine to midnight.

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01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:39.800
<v Speaker 12>That got switched to midnight to six, six nights a week.

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01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:41.640
<v Speaker 12>Then they put me on noon to three. Then the

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01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:45.600
<v Speaker 12>station was sold and that's where things changed. It was

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01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:49.079
<v Speaker 12>sold the Buckley Broadcasting. They came in with an air

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01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:50.239
<v Speaker 12>personality named.

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01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:53.239
<v Speaker 4>Joey Reynolds and it went.

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01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:59.239
<v Speaker 12>From super tight to anarchy overnight, and I went back

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01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:02.680
<v Speaker 12>to being johnni is Land Decker on the air, and

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01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:06.600
<v Speaker 12>we gave the big Top forty station in Philadelphia the

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01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:11.039
<v Speaker 12>wufil a huge run for its money, and words spread

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01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:14.880
<v Speaker 12>w LS Chicago about what was going on. And then

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01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:19.000
<v Speaker 12>I got a call from WLS saying would you send

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01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:23.000
<v Speaker 12>in an air check? And that was that so And

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01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:26.720
<v Speaker 12>initially the experience of a Philadelphia was horrible. I mean

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01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:31.039
<v Speaker 12>I literally broke down in tears at a motel I

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01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:33.760
<v Speaker 12>was staying at while we made the Well my family

1415
01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:36.159
<v Speaker 12>was going to come, and like, what did I get

1416
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:36.960
<v Speaker 12>myself into?

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01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:38.159
<v Speaker 4>I can't do this.

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01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:40.640
<v Speaker 1>But it helped, it helped lead into now.

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01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:42.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, Yeah Records is truly his middle name. And I

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01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:50.520
<v Speaker 2>wish we had more time to talk about that. Put

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01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:51.840
<v Speaker 2>our times up and.

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01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:54.640
<v Speaker 4>I just just let me say that that is my

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01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:55.600
<v Speaker 4>mother's maiden name.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent, excellent, John Records, Land Decker, Land Decker on American

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01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.960
<v Speaker 2>History on the radio, and we'll in honor of the

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01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:06.880
<v Speaker 2>boogie check, we'll play a little boogie. We'll play a

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01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:15.960
<v Speaker 2>little boogie music out Yeah, a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool in the gang. John, thank you so much.

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01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:28.319
<v Speaker 2>It's the night Cabinet continues on seven hundred w LW.

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<v Speaker 7>When do you like to listen to Scott's loan?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean.

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01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:34.640
<v Speaker 7>When I listen all day?

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01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:35.920
<v Speaker 13>First to Show, and then.

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<v Speaker 7>His podcast, Do You Really?

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01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I listened during my appindectomy.

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01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:40.640
<v Speaker 7>I listened during jury duty.

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01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I listened during my conjugal visit.

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01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:43.840
<v Speaker 7>I listened during my grandma's funeral.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you mean serious? I kind of feel bad about that.

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<v Speaker 11>No matter where you are or what you're doing, it's

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<v Speaker 11>sloney time. I can't get me enough. Floany Scott's Loan

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<v Speaker 11>tomorrow morning at nine on seven hundred WLW and check

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<v Speaker 15>Join your redsvio on seven hundred WLW, taking you back

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<v Speaker 15>to August of nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 16>WSKZ Chattanooga, Tennessee Now begins its broadcast day WSKZ with

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<v Speaker 16>studios on Pine Blue Road and transmitting facilities on Signal Mountain.

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<v Speaker 16>Broadcasts with one hundred thousand watts vertical and horizontal and

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<v Speaker 1>One O six.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how that began on the nineteenth of August

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy eight. A few years later it would be

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<v Speaker 2>our home radio station. Why I see hours, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>mine and won Eric Page, the Pager. Together, Eric and

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<v Speaker 2>I worked the knights and dominated the airwaves because there

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<v Speaker 2>literally was nothing else on and we boomed all over

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<v Speaker 2>North Georgia and that part of southeastern Tennessee and into Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great way to really get a firm

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<v Speaker 2>footing on my radio career. And again the man that

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<v Speaker 2>I shared this with, this experience and all these experiences

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<v Speaker 2>that we're about to relate to you is on the

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<v Speaker 2>line with us. Eric Page, Welcome to the Nightcap and

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<v Speaker 2>American history on the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 17>That was a quick look back, but that's unbelievable, unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I'm well, and this is so much fun

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01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:27.720
<v Speaker 2>because we have some stories to share. We probably have

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<v Speaker 2>stories that we can't share, but we have stories to

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<v Speaker 2>share about those early halcyon days in radio together in

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<v Speaker 2>the early eighties. Can you believe, number one, that in

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<v Speaker 2>June of this past year, it was my forty fourth

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<v Speaker 2>anniversary being consistently on the air somewhere, and you had

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<v Speaker 2>quite a run yourself, although you haven't done anything in years,

1490
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:57.359
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's a shame, because you are truly

1491
01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:01.319
<v Speaker 2>one of the great radio talents I ever wor and

1492
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:05.399
<v Speaker 2>ever listened to. And you taught me so much, especially

1493
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:07.720
<v Speaker 2>in those early days, the good and the bad.

1494
01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:09.640
<v Speaker 1>You taught me a lot of things.

1495
01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:16.159
<v Speaker 2>But we were in our early twenties and we were

1496
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:20.199
<v Speaker 2>pretty much given the freedom to do pretty much anything

1497
01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:20.880
<v Speaker 2>we wanted to.

1498
01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:24.800
<v Speaker 1>On the radio and have fun. And we did both

1499
01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of those things.

1500
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:28.880
<v Speaker 4>Don't you think that was really Yeah, that was really

1501
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.079
<v Speaker 4>the key that we just really got the keys to

1502
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:34.800
<v Speaker 4>the radio station there and we covered ninety two counties.

1503
01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:36.720
<v Speaker 17>I mean, you talk about the reach of that radio station.

1504
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:39.840
<v Speaker 17>We got calls on our request line at night. You know,

1505
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:44.439
<v Speaker 17>you and I both as far away north as Bowling Green, Kentucky,

1506
01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:47.640
<v Speaker 17>as far away south as Atlanta, and I mean almost

1507
01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:51.720
<v Speaker 17>to Birmingham and way into the Carolinas and stuff. And

1508
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:54.079
<v Speaker 17>it was just incredible to reach that that station had.

1509
01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:56.960
<v Speaker 17>And you're right, it was just a blank slate. There

1510
01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:01.720
<v Speaker 17>was nothing going on between and radio between Atlanta and Nashville,

1511
01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:04.880
<v Speaker 17>and we filled a giant boyd for a whole lot

1512
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:08.720
<v Speaker 17>of people. And we showed up in Billboard magazine one time.

1513
01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:10.840
<v Speaker 17>I think by the time we'd been only a year

1514
01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:14.800
<v Speaker 17>or so, eighty two or eighty three, maybe we showed

1515
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:16.920
<v Speaker 17>up as one of the top rated shows in the country,

1516
01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:19.600
<v Speaker 17>you know, on a list with Scott Shannon at Z

1517
01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:22.640
<v Speaker 17>one hundred and Rick D's a Kiss at Them in

1518
01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:25.960
<v Speaker 17>La and just it was an incredible time. Yeah, And

1519
01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:27.800
<v Speaker 17>we had so much fun doing it, didn't we.

1520
01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, so much fun. And you know what.

1521
01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:32.760
<v Speaker 2>And we had like a I don't know, an eighty

1522
01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:37.800
<v Speaker 2>or ninety share at night, which is unheard of. And

1523
01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:41.159
<v Speaker 2>it was partly due to the signal and partly due

1524
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:44.439
<v Speaker 2>to the format, and we may have contributed a little

1525
01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:46.920
<v Speaker 2>bit to that. It was just the right place at

1526
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the right time for both of us. And it was

1527
01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:53.079
<v Speaker 2>a blast. There are many things that come to mind

1528
01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:57.039
<v Speaker 2>when I recalled those days in Chattanooga, Eric in the

1529
01:21:57.079 --> 01:22:02.880
<v Speaker 2>early eighties. One of them is not exactly one of

1530
01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:07.520
<v Speaker 2>our finest moments. When we were on a tag team

1531
01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:12.119
<v Speaker 2>against female mud wrestlers at the National Guard Armory in Chattanooga,

1532
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:14.800
<v Speaker 2>we got our butts kicked.

1533
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:18.359
<v Speaker 4>You know. I still feel that to this day.

1534
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.760
<v Speaker 17>We got tossed around like rag dolls on a mud

1535
01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:26.880
<v Speaker 17>pit elevated playwood stage they built. It looked more like

1536
01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:32.079
<v Speaker 17>gallows pretty much. And wow, there were three thousand people

1537
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:34.800
<v Speaker 17>crammed in this little armory there as a dead o winner, right.

1538
01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:39.399
<v Speaker 17>It was January, and we did get the Chicago knockers

1539
01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:43.600
<v Speaker 17>that they were traveling mud wrestling troop, and they just

1540
01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:44.479
<v Speaker 17>about killed us.

1541
01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:49.399
<v Speaker 2>Now, Eric, we went to a meeting before the bout

1542
01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:52.720
<v Speaker 2>and they told us about the choreography and what we

1543
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:55.279
<v Speaker 2>were supposed to do at what time, and they would

1544
01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:58.439
<v Speaker 2>do this and then we would do that, and we

1545
01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.159
<v Speaker 2>did not necessarily adhere to the plan. And I think

1546
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:02.520
<v Speaker 2>that's where we got into trouble.

1547
01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:04.520
<v Speaker 4>Well maybe we did.

1548
01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:06.720
<v Speaker 17>We showed up a T shirts and said I wanted

1549
01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:09.159
<v Speaker 17>all we were wearing wrestling tides and we both weighed

1550
01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:14.039
<v Speaker 17>maybe one hundred and thirty pounds, were soaking wet, and yeah,

1551
01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:16.000
<v Speaker 17>we paid for it that night. But it was fun.

1552
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:20.000
<v Speaker 17>It was a great show. It did damage me badly though.

1553
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:25.680
<v Speaker 2>We did something else then that I I could not

1554
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:28.239
<v Speaker 2>do now, And we did plenty of things I could

1555
01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:32.199
<v Speaker 2>not do now, but one in particular was the Studio

1556
01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:36.119
<v Speaker 2>in the Sky, which was basically a billboard with a

1557
01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:41.119
<v Speaker 2>built on extra catwalk where we would actually broadcast from

1558
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:46.239
<v Speaker 2>at night on one of the busiest streets in Chattanooga,

1559
01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:50.560
<v Speaker 2>brainerd Avenue, And we were what how high, We're like

1560
01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:52.880
<v Speaker 2>fifty sixty feet up and forty feet.

1561
01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:54.279
<v Speaker 4>Up, probably sixty feet.

1562
01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:57.079
<v Speaker 17>You know, we had to climb the pole, get in

1563
01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.720
<v Speaker 17>a ladder to get up to the ladder that got

1564
01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:01.520
<v Speaker 17>up to the catwalk, and you know, we did. We

1565
01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:03.840
<v Speaker 17>broadcast there. We used to give away stuff from there.

1566
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:07.359
<v Speaker 17>We geen juries from Warner Brothers Records, came down from

1567
01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:10.560
<v Speaker 17>from Nashville and brought a bunch of cool stuff and

1568
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:13.439
<v Speaker 17>we were hanging posters over the over the railing and

1569
01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:15.600
<v Speaker 17>the first person I could pull across the street and

1570
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:18.680
<v Speaker 17>to the payphone and call the radio station and tell

1571
01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:20.920
<v Speaker 17>us who it was we'd win the poster and stuff

1572
01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:23.960
<v Speaker 17>like that. It was a blast and and it just

1573
01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.000
<v Speaker 17>caused all kinds of traffic, champs and stuff.

1574
01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:27.960
<v Speaker 4>I think it was the key there. We got out.

1575
01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:29.760
<v Speaker 17>We did stuff all the time. We got out and

1576
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.119
<v Speaker 17>met everybody. I mean, you and I visited I don't

1577
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:35.439
<v Speaker 17>know how many schools, uh during our time there. We

1578
01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:38.039
<v Speaker 17>did sock hops and just regular appearances and just go

1579
01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:39.319
<v Speaker 17>talk to kids and stuff.

1580
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:40.119
<v Speaker 12>Uh.

1581
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.720
<v Speaker 17>The most that we did were like constant, you know,

1582
01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:46.800
<v Speaker 17>several times a week we're out someplace doing everything and

1583
01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:49.319
<v Speaker 17>meeting people, and they got to know us, and it

1584
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:53.039
<v Speaker 17>really helped a lot. It's that radio station is thriving

1585
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:56.399
<v Speaker 17>today forty years later because of all that.

1586
01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:57.760
<v Speaker 4>It truly is.

1587
01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you talk about going to schools. There

1588
01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:05.119
<v Speaker 2>was one particular dance. You know, we did sakops, like

1589
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:08.000
<v Speaker 2>you said, our dances at schools for extra money, and

1590
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:10.159
<v Speaker 2>it was you know, we lugged the equipment. They actually

1591
01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:12.760
<v Speaker 2>paid us just to lug the equipment in and lug

1592
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:15.720
<v Speaker 2>it out. What we did in the meantime usually didn't matter.

1593
01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:20.680
<v Speaker 2>But we're at a junior high school, it's a middle

1594
01:25:20.720 --> 01:25:24.479
<v Speaker 2>school or something, and the students had gotten good grades.

1595
01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:28.800
<v Speaker 2>So the principal wanted to award them, reward them with

1596
01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:32.720
<v Speaker 2>a concert featuring the disc jockeys at KZ one oh six,

1597
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:35.319
<v Speaker 2>and so Eric and I get out. We get out,

1598
01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:37.399
<v Speaker 2>and they have a setup in the middle of the

1599
01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:42.960
<v Speaker 2>gym floor and all these sixth and seventh graders and

1600
01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>eighth graders are staring back at us from the bleachers

1601
01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:52.000
<v Speaker 2>because they weren't allowed to dance number one.

1602
01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:54.640
<v Speaker 1>So we're just out there in the middle.

1603
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.159
<v Speaker 2>We're just playing records and talking to them, but it's

1604
01:25:57.239 --> 01:26:01.479
<v Speaker 2>like totally disconnected. It didn't make it. This is a reward.

1605
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:04.439
<v Speaker 2>This is like more of a punishment for the kids

1606
01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:05.159
<v Speaker 2>in a reward.

1607
01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>And then the first we.

1608
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:10.159
<v Speaker 17>Used to being completely surrounded by kids and swamped, you know,

1609
01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:12.359
<v Speaker 17>and we're playing that while we're playing the music and

1610
01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:14.319
<v Speaker 17>they're all dancing like crazy and they're sitting in the

1611
01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:15.800
<v Speaker 17>bleachers with their hands and their lapse.

1612
01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:16.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I remember that.

1613
01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>So do you remember what the principal came up and

1614
01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:21.319
<v Speaker 2>told us before tell that story?

1615
01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:25.600
<v Speaker 17>Yeah, Well, they were opening in the new arena in Chattanooge.

1616
01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:27.600
<v Speaker 17>At that time, we called it the Roundhouse. It was

1617
01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:31.039
<v Speaker 17>the UTC Arena. Uh and Van Halen was going to

1618
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.760
<v Speaker 17>be the opening act for the christening of the stadium,

1619
01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:36.920
<v Speaker 17>and so it was a big deal. You know, they

1620
01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:38.600
<v Speaker 17>were the biggest band in the world really.

1621
01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:38.920
<v Speaker 4>At that time.

1622
01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:43.840
<v Speaker 17>And we uh set up our stuff and went okay,

1623
01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:47.039
<v Speaker 17>and we played Pretty Woman by Van Halen, which was

1624
01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:50.479
<v Speaker 17>like the Roy Orbison you know, remake, and the principal

1625
01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:53.560
<v Speaker 17>came up and said, I'm sorry, but you can't play

1626
01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:54.960
<v Speaker 17>that because we don't like that guy.

1627
01:26:56.520 --> 01:26:59.239
<v Speaker 4>What they're wing downhill from there?

1628
01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:03.199
<v Speaker 2>Brother, Well, the first record we played was You Really

1629
01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Got Me by Van Halen, and he had no idea

1630
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.279
<v Speaker 2>that we were playing Van Halen, right, He told.

1631
01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:10.720
<v Speaker 17>Us to record playing vanill Yeah, until we played Pretty Woman,

1632
01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:12.880
<v Speaker 17>you know, but he'd heard of a million times before

1633
01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:15.520
<v Speaker 17>because he grew up with you know, listened to Roy Orbison,

1634
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:18.880
<v Speaker 17>you know whatever. But these kids were It was awful.

1635
01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:20.560
<v Speaker 17>And then we went back to the radio station. I

1636
01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:23.119
<v Speaker 17>remember I signed on at six o'clock that evening and

1637
01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:26.039
<v Speaker 17>you and I went on like a twenty minute diatribe.

1638
01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:28.439
<v Speaker 4>About what had happened and all this and just how

1639
01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:32.640
<v Speaker 4>ridiculous that was, and it just, oh my gosh, it

1640
01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:33.880
<v Speaker 4>was crazy. Wow.

1641
01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:35.600
<v Speaker 17>We had so much of it with some of a great,

1642
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:38.279
<v Speaker 17>great time. The time you disappeared, we took a bunch

1643
01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:41.600
<v Speaker 17>of records, uh, a big box load of h forty

1644
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:45.199
<v Speaker 17>fives from the station and that we didn't need. And

1645
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:49.239
<v Speaker 17>you were out at the center court of this basketball

1646
01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:52.119
<v Speaker 17>gym and you got just swamped by a couple one

1647
01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:55.239
<v Speaker 17>hundred little kids and you disappeared. You started off at

1648
01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:57.720
<v Speaker 17>center court and wound up underneath all the other basket

1649
01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:00.840
<v Speaker 17>in the far end, just and disappear. We're giving these

1650
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:03.399
<v Speaker 17>kids these records and so much fun. Just all that

1651
01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:04.319
<v Speaker 17>stuff is crazy.

1652
01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:10.760
<v Speaker 2>We have to talk about the softball game. Chattanooga is

1653
01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:14.159
<v Speaker 2>like thirty miles from Fort Payne, Alabama, and I have

1654
01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:18.600
<v Speaker 2>two Alabama store. One was their infamous June Jam, or

1655
01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:21.079
<v Speaker 2>their famous June Jam that would happen every June in

1656
01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:24.960
<v Speaker 2>their hometown of Fort Payne. I got to helicopter in

1657
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>with two winners from the radio station right into the

1658
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:33.640
<v Speaker 2>middle of the festival grounds to see Alabama and their guests.

1659
01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:36.680
<v Speaker 2>And Alabama right now is like one of the hottest

1660
01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:39.319
<v Speaker 2>bands in the country. We're a rock station, but we

1661
01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:42.439
<v Speaker 2>played ton loads of Alabama because.

1662
01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:43.359
<v Speaker 1>It was popular.

1663
01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had to, so anyway, Alabama had a celebrity

1664
01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:53.359
<v Speaker 2>softball team that traveled around for charity, and we had

1665
01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:57.079
<v Speaker 2>our own KZ one oh six softball team, and through

1666
01:28:57.119 --> 01:29:03.359
<v Speaker 2>our machinations of knowing people and being in such close proximity,

1667
01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:05.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, we got a deal together where we were

1668
01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:08.880
<v Speaker 2>going to play the Alabama softball team at the local

1669
01:29:09.159 --> 01:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Ingles Stadium, which that's that Ingle Stadium is no longer there.

1670
01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>There's another minor league baseball park in Chattanooga now and

1671
01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:20.079
<v Speaker 2>that place was about to fall in in nineteen eighty two.

1672
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:23.720
<v Speaker 2>But there we were and set the scene for the

1673
01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:25.439
<v Speaker 2>crowd size and everything else.

1674
01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:30.640
<v Speaker 17>Eric well, it absolutely packed it out. We charged the

1675
01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:34.479
<v Speaker 17>admission was like a can of food for the local

1676
01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:37.359
<v Speaker 17>food bank, which nobody had even done something like that before,

1677
01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:42.840
<v Speaker 17>and almost ten thousand people showed up. It was Pad

1678
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:46.720
<v Speaker 17>twelve deep down the baselines all the way out as

1679
01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:49.920
<v Speaker 17>you know, the defenses, and it was just us. It

1680
01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:53.119
<v Speaker 17>was like a World Series kind of atmosphere. Randy Owen

1681
01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:56.680
<v Speaker 17>and Teddy Gentry student home play and sang the Star

1682
01:29:56.760 --> 01:29:59.359
<v Speaker 17>Spangled Band and a cappella and it just brought down

1683
01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.439
<v Speaker 17>the house. I had a recording of that because it

1684
01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:03.279
<v Speaker 17>was one of the best things i've ever heard in

1685
01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:07.479
<v Speaker 17>my life, you know, ten feet away and uh, and

1686
01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:09.560
<v Speaker 17>the crowd was just into it all the way.

1687
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:12.399
<v Speaker 4>And we had a pretty good team. Uh we had

1688
01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:15.319
<v Speaker 4>women on our team. They did not. And you know,

1689
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:16.800
<v Speaker 4>we got to the end of the game and I

1690
01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:18.119
<v Speaker 4>got I got hurt during the game.

1691
01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:21.520
<v Speaker 17>I was catchy for some reason, and h Randy Owen

1692
01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:24.720
<v Speaker 17>came to bat for the first time and he took

1693
01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:26.720
<v Speaker 17>a first pitch and the second pitch he popped it

1694
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:29.399
<v Speaker 17>up a foul ball right straight behind up and straight

1695
01:30:29.439 --> 01:30:31.800
<v Speaker 17>behind home plate, and I turned to go try and

1696
01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:34.720
<v Speaker 17>catch it, and I dove and missed it went up

1697
01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:38.079
<v Speaker 17>and skipped up with my glove and I like smashed

1698
01:30:38.079 --> 01:30:41.119
<v Speaker 17>my face into a hard ground. And so he was

1699
01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:44.920
<v Speaker 17>like nice, Trim. But he remembers that game to this day.

1700
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:49.079
<v Speaker 17>I've talked to him many times over the years since then. Uh,

1701
01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:51.840
<v Speaker 17>and he remembers that like it was yesterday. It was

1702
01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:52.560
<v Speaker 17>so much fun.

1703
01:30:52.600 --> 01:30:55.239
<v Speaker 4>And we won the game at the end and wound

1704
01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:58.039
<v Speaker 4>up getting booed off the field because they were so popular.

1705
01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:02.399
<v Speaker 17>It just couldn't believe, we know, they didn't come there

1706
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.119
<v Speaker 17>to watch, you know, then lose or whatever it was.

1707
01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:06.560
<v Speaker 17>It was just so much fun though.

1708
01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:09.760
<v Speaker 2>That was the biggest That was the biggest crowd in

1709
01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Ingles Stadium. That stadium's history too, and you know, it

1710
01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>was a minor league ballpark and uh, I think today

1711
01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:19.359
<v Speaker 2>it's a Reds affiliate. I'm not sure if Chattanooga is

1712
01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:20.399
<v Speaker 2>a Red's affiliate or not.

1713
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:24.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, you know, they was, but anyway, yeah,

1714
01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:25.119
<v Speaker 4>at that time.

1715
01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:29.960
<v Speaker 17>The next year, Oh, Jackson's very first professional baseball game.

1716
01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:32.359
<v Speaker 17>He got signed by whoever and was I think playing

1717
01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:35.560
<v Speaker 17>for Birmingham for like ten minutes and came to Chattanooga.

1718
01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:37.560
<v Speaker 17>Was his very first game. And it drew like six

1719
01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.119
<v Speaker 17>thousand because he was Bo Jackson.

1720
01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>We out drew werew We outdrew Bo Jackson.

1721
01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:46.720
<v Speaker 4>We outdrew Bo Jackson.

1722
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Bo no second place.

1723
01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:55.000
<v Speaker 17>Well that's how popular Alabama was. Yeah, it's incredible. And

1724
01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:59.840
<v Speaker 17>then and they're so nice, you know. That was one

1725
01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:00.840
<v Speaker 17>of the great things.

1726
01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:01.600
<v Speaker 4>We did.

1727
01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:05.479
<v Speaker 17>Lots of neat stuff, the Haunted caverns at Ruby Falls

1728
01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:06.840
<v Speaker 17>inside and Lookout.

1729
01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the sky show, the sky show, the big balloon

1730
01:32:13.239 --> 01:32:14.359
<v Speaker 2>show at Raccoon Mountain.

1731
01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:17.079
<v Speaker 17>Yeah, that's the very first spring we were there. We

1732
01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:19.720
<v Speaker 17>got there and you and I got there like basically

1733
01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:21.880
<v Speaker 17>the same week, and I think February of eighty one,

1734
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:26.159
<v Speaker 17>and then that very spring in May, I think or June,

1735
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:28.199
<v Speaker 17>we had the sky show with the balloons and the

1736
01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:31.520
<v Speaker 17>ultra light hang gliders, and that was at Raccoon Mountain.

1737
01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:32.399
<v Speaker 17>That was a nice place.

1738
01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I always remember too, the trip that you and I

1739
01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:40.039
<v Speaker 2>took to Nashville for Charlie Daniels Volunteer jam underneath the

1740
01:32:40.039 --> 01:32:44.039
<v Speaker 2>War Memorial Auditorium in downtown Nashville. And we've got a

1741
01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>broadcast table there in the basement underneath the stage, and

1742
01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:52.279
<v Speaker 2>all of these I mean you're talking about Marshall Tucker

1743
01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and the Outlaws and Black Oak Arkansas and all of

1744
01:32:56.159 --> 01:32:59.159
<v Speaker 2>these Southern rock bands are all playing on this one night.

1745
01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:02.479
<v Speaker 2>And Charlie Daniels and we got to broadcast from there

1746
01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:07.600
<v Speaker 2>and just see, you know, all of this basically Southern

1747
01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:10.840
<v Speaker 2>rock royalty all in one place. That was very special.

1748
01:33:11.760 --> 01:33:17.079
<v Speaker 2>And other people too. We met James Brown, remember, Carl

1749
01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Perkins was there. Yep, Crystal Gale, it just the whole spectrum.

1750
01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:26.159
<v Speaker 2>It was thirty acts in eight hours, the best concert ever.

1751
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Everybody came out and played twenty minutes, thirty minutes, and

1752
01:33:29.199 --> 01:33:31.600
<v Speaker 2>then they would disappear. Then they'd come back out later

1753
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>and play as part of a jam band with Charlie

1754
01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:38.760
<v Speaker 2>or whoever. The one year I think wood he Herman

1755
01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:41.319
<v Speaker 2>and his Thundering Herd opened the show. You know, they

1756
01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:43.199
<v Speaker 2>were like a Guy Lombardo kind of thing.

1757
01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:45.520
<v Speaker 4>Stevie ray Vaughan.

1758
01:33:45.640 --> 01:33:47.359
<v Speaker 17>The only time I ever got to see Stevie ray

1759
01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:50.760
<v Speaker 17>Vaughn was at a Charlie Daniels volunteer jam I seen

1760
01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:54.359
<v Speaker 17>watching with Redbeard from Rock Oneyal three in Memphis. We

1761
01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:57.439
<v Speaker 17>snuck up from behind the doing the interviews and stuff

1762
01:33:57.479 --> 01:34:00.279
<v Speaker 17>and went up and just to see Stevie ray for

1763
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:03.720
<v Speaker 17>the first time, both of us. It was just like unbelievable, unbelieable,

1764
01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:06.279
<v Speaker 17>and you want to see Willie and you got to

1765
01:34:06.279 --> 01:34:08.960
<v Speaker 17>see cool bands you never got see anywhere else. Willie

1766
01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:11.920
<v Speaker 17>Nelson would show up once in a while and whatever

1767
01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:13.800
<v Speaker 17>I want need it to see Don Henley at the

1768
01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:15.520
<v Speaker 17>Bone Skirt jam and all.

1769
01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:18.720
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy, that's great.

1770
01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:21.439
<v Speaker 17>Little Richard got booed off the stage one you remember that,

1771
01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:22.640
<v Speaker 17>Yes I do.

1772
01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:25.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, a little.

1773
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:27.520
<v Speaker 17>Richard got up on stage and started talking about how

1774
01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:30.600
<v Speaker 17>he was the Elvis was nothing without little Richards.

1775
01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:34.439
<v Speaker 4>Everybody started started booing oh God, here we go.

1776
01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what.

1777
01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Let's let's take a quick break and we'll come back

1778
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and share a few more memories because you were here

1779
01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati with us at seven hundred WLW four two

1780
01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:48.439
<v Speaker 2>short a time in my opinion, but I want to

1781
01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:52.600
<v Speaker 2>talk about some of the things that you brought to

1782
01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the table, both in in Nashville when we worked together

1783
01:34:56.640 --> 01:34:58.159
<v Speaker 2>and here in Cincinnati.

1784
01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:01.560
<v Speaker 1>It's Eric Page, my old radio pal.

1785
01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>From the wings of rock and Roll on American History

1786
01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>on the radio, on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW.

1787
01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:11.359
<v Speaker 7>Vice President Kamala Harrison.

1788
01:35:11.399 --> 01:35:12.640
<v Speaker 13>This election is going to be a fight.

1789
01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:14.399
<v Speaker 7>Former President Donald.

1790
01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:16.479
<v Speaker 5>Trump contrast could not be war star.

1791
01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:19.319
<v Speaker 7>A divided nation, votes of the future of America. An

1792
01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:21.840
<v Speaker 7>undocumented immigrant is not a criminal.

1793
01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:22.840
<v Speaker 5>She as the borders are.

1794
01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:25.520
<v Speaker 15>She presided over the worst border in history.

1795
01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:27.399
<v Speaker 7>It's democracy with a capital D.

1796
01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:28.920
<v Speaker 13>My values of non change.

1797
01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:32.640
<v Speaker 15>They President to fight, fight, fight, Please stand for the

1798
01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:35.239
<v Speaker 15>peam in this race for the sake of our country.

1799
01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:40.960
<v Speaker 7>Listen for the latest on seven hundred WLW.

1800
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Only one of the finest radio talents I ever worked

1801
01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:49.119
<v Speaker 2>with in my entire forty four year career. First in Chattanooga, Tennessee,

1802
01:35:49.319 --> 01:35:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and then in Nashville, and we work together again here

1803
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:57.119
<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati actually at seven hundred WLW, and that's where.

1804
01:35:56.920 --> 01:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>This is airing at the moment, just in case you

1805
01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>hadn't No.

1806
01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:03.600
<v Speaker 2>It's the Nightcap, Gary Jeff with Eric Page the pager.

1807
01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:11.079
<v Speaker 2>And you had these brief stints in other places besides Chattanooga,

1808
01:36:11.159 --> 01:36:16.239
<v Speaker 2>and some pretty interesting and wonderful radio stations, the least

1809
01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>of which certainly not why one of seven in Nashville

1810
01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>at the time you were there, we were number one

1811
01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:24.800
<v Speaker 2>with a bullet and you would come to the station

1812
01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:29.319
<v Speaker 2>and added a wonderful I found a photo Eric of you,

1813
01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:34.279
<v Speaker 2>me and Mark Chase somewhere. We've got our station shirts

1814
01:36:34.279 --> 01:36:38.760
<v Speaker 2>on it, and we're looking very eighties preppy, but somewhere

1815
01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:43.840
<v Speaker 2>somewhere with microphones in our hands doing something, and we

1816
01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:48.159
<v Speaker 2>still looked like we weren't lizard people yet, and.

1817
01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:49.760
<v Speaker 17>We were a small man of renegades.

1818
01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we were the outrageous FM. You worked in big markets.

1819
01:36:56.319 --> 01:36:58.880
<v Speaker 2>You worked in Washington, d C. For one week. I

1820
01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:03.560
<v Speaker 2>remember that, and you told me, you told me the story. Washington,

1821
01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>DC is a union town. And what that means in

1822
01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:13.319
<v Speaker 2>radio is that the talent which I've I've discerned that

1823
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>the term talent stands for talking ass lacking every necessary tool.

1824
01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:21.279
<v Speaker 2>But we were talent with the talent in a union

1825
01:37:21.399 --> 01:37:25.439
<v Speaker 2>radio station doesn't do anything but talk, basically, that's right,

1826
01:37:25.479 --> 01:37:28.640
<v Speaker 2>And you're doing You've got a guy playing the records

1827
01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:30.800
<v Speaker 2>across from you when you're on the air, and you

1828
01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:34.000
<v Speaker 2>couldn't even listen to the tape of yourself in the

1829
01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>production room without someone barging in.

1830
01:37:36.039 --> 01:37:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Tell me that story, you know.

1831
01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:39.279
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know how we were.

1832
01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:41.800
<v Speaker 17>We were used to like being on the air, But

1833
01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:44.159
<v Speaker 17>while a song is playing, we run back to the

1834
01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:47.640
<v Speaker 17>production room and starts splicing something up to bring back, you.

1835
01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:48.399
<v Speaker 4>Know, play on the air.

1836
01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:51.840
<v Speaker 17>I wasn't allowed to put a cassette in a machine.

1837
01:37:51.920 --> 01:37:54.520
<v Speaker 17>I went nuts. It was like, you got to be kidding.

1838
01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:56.920
<v Speaker 17>I had to get wake up an engineer off the couch,

1839
01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:02.520
<v Speaker 17>you know. Yeah, it was the most incredible thing I've

1840
01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:05.159
<v Speaker 17>ever seen in my life. It was so unlike what

1841
01:38:05.239 --> 01:38:07.079
<v Speaker 17>I really wanted to be doing, which is what I

1842
01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:07.520
<v Speaker 17>was used to.

1843
01:38:08.039 --> 01:38:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're used to. We're used to engineering our own thing.

1844
01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:15.279
<v Speaker 2>We're used to killing up the record, getting the CD

1845
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>or the cart ready, you know, and firing that answering

1846
01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the phone at a Union radio station. You didn't do

1847
01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:23.039
<v Speaker 2>any of that. You didn't even get to answer your

1848
01:38:23.039 --> 01:38:24.920
<v Speaker 2>own phone on the air.

1849
01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:28.000
<v Speaker 17>We used to hand edit seven or eight or whatever

1850
01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:33.119
<v Speaker 17>responses to something and play it immediately coming out of

1851
01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:35.720
<v Speaker 17>whatever we just came out of, you know, and and

1852
01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:37.680
<v Speaker 17>doing it like that. And then it was just not

1853
01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:40.359
<v Speaker 17>like that anymore. And they brought me there to compete

1854
01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:44.319
<v Speaker 17>against Howard Stern because the DC one O three it

1855
01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:48.159
<v Speaker 17>was had I had hired Howard Stern and uh and

1856
01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:49.079
<v Speaker 17>I could just beat.

1857
01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:51.039
<v Speaker 4>The crap out of him. So that's what they brought

1858
01:38:51.039 --> 01:38:53.600
<v Speaker 4>me there for. And it just it just didn't work out.

1859
01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Didn't work out. How did How did you eventually landed

1860
01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:00.520
<v Speaker 2>in Nashville? Because the details on that are kind of foggy.

1861
01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:04.159
<v Speaker 2>I know that Mark Chase brought you in and we

1862
01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:07.199
<v Speaker 2>were all there in the late eighties, and like I said,

1863
01:39:07.239 --> 01:39:10.159
<v Speaker 2>in the greatest days of that radio station, which of

1864
01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:12.439
<v Speaker 2>course doesn't exist, is why one of seven anymore?

1865
01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:17.479
<v Speaker 1>It's I think they call it the roof, but I.

1866
01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:20.800
<v Speaker 17>Know I add to my experience in DC, I wound

1867
01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:23.600
<v Speaker 17>up it kicks one O four in Nashville. From there,

1868
01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:26.239
<v Speaker 17>where you've been yep, and a lot of folks of

1869
01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:28.720
<v Speaker 17>a bunch of people we know, you know, I'd gone

1870
01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:32.600
<v Speaker 17>through There's a Kyote, McLeod, many many more. And then

1871
01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:35.840
<v Speaker 17>because I'd met Mark before one of the volunteer jams,

1872
01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:40.479
<v Speaker 17>I think, and so we kind of had a relationship

1873
01:39:40.479 --> 01:39:42.359
<v Speaker 17>and you were already working there, and so it just

1874
01:39:42.439 --> 01:39:45.039
<v Speaker 17>kind of helped and I was able to slip in

1875
01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:48.159
<v Speaker 17>there after getting on of going one O four when

1876
01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:52.199
<v Speaker 17>I'm doing changed to something else. Yeah, I was on

1877
01:39:52.199 --> 01:39:54.760
<v Speaker 17>the here like ninety minutes later at Wyel seven.

1878
01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Eric Page, if you were a Reds on the radio fan,

1879
01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:03.399
<v Speaker 2>and many of you are, even though there's been less

1880
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:08.159
<v Speaker 2>reason to be a fan lately than ordinarily. But anyway,

1881
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:11.840
<v Speaker 2>if you're a Reds Radio Red's on radio fan, you're

1882
01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:14.960
<v Speaker 2>familiar with the pregame show that's called the Inside Pitch.

1883
01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Eric Page is.

1884
01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:20.239
<v Speaker 2>The one that branded that show and actually started it,

1885
01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:23.399
<v Speaker 2>because before that they were doing a pregame show, but

1886
01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:25.239
<v Speaker 2>it was just kind of an amorphous. It's a Red's

1887
01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:28.680
<v Speaker 2>pregame and Eric came up with the name Inside Pitch,

1888
01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and you did so much work in getting that pregame

1889
01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:37.600
<v Speaker 2>red Show up to par you know, to this day

1890
01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:42.039
<v Speaker 2>to this day, you were the template for a great

1891
01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:46.720
<v Speaker 2>pregame radio show before Reds Baseball. Any thoughts on the

1892
01:40:46.760 --> 01:40:48.479
<v Speaker 2>development of the inside pitch.

1893
01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:52.720
<v Speaker 17>Well, yeah, thanks for that. It's a well, it was

1894
01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:56.000
<v Speaker 17>not my idea entirely, of course, it was marking a

1895
01:40:56.000 --> 01:41:00.520
<v Speaker 17>bunch of other people. Baseball pregame shows had been a

1896
01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:04.600
<v Speaker 17>five minute kind of thing before that, from to nineteen

1897
01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:08.680
<v Speaker 17>twenties when radio broadcast started, it was the announcer that

1898
01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:12.199
<v Speaker 17>mad announcer talked to the manager for a couple of minutes.

1899
01:41:12.239 --> 01:41:15.199
<v Speaker 17>It was some commercials they came back at the starting lineup,

1900
01:41:15.279 --> 01:41:19.199
<v Speaker 17>probably the national anthem, and then first pitch boom. We

1901
01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:22.720
<v Speaker 17>decided to do a thirty minute formatted pregame show and

1902
01:41:22.720 --> 01:41:25.399
<v Speaker 17>it was you know, the big team. Scott Springer, Huge,

1903
01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:30.039
<v Speaker 17>Seggy was in on all that, and we just put

1904
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:32.479
<v Speaker 17>it together every single day. We started going to spring

1905
01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:37.119
<v Speaker 17>training and just just banking tons and tons of conversations

1906
01:41:37.119 --> 01:41:40.039
<v Speaker 17>and thoughts with people. So when something came up about

1907
01:41:40.079 --> 01:41:43.359
<v Speaker 17>you know, the infill fly rule or whatever, we had

1908
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:46.479
<v Speaker 17>something on tape and ready to go. And then we

1909
01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:52.880
<v Speaker 17>did the updates and from the field, and we highlights

1910
01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:54.760
<v Speaker 17>from around the league and all this kind of stuff

1911
01:41:54.800 --> 01:41:56.359
<v Speaker 17>and it was a big spot.

1912
01:41:56.479 --> 01:41:56.960
<v Speaker 4>It was a hit.

1913
01:41:57.039 --> 01:41:58.840
<v Speaker 17>I mean from the beginning it was a lot of

1914
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:01.560
<v Speaker 17>fun to do, but it was a year round thing.

1915
01:42:01.640 --> 01:42:03.960
<v Speaker 17>It took a year. You know, there was never a

1916
01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:06.159
<v Speaker 17>day off in baseball. But I really love about it,

1917
01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:08.119
<v Speaker 17>you know, getting to work with Marty and Joe people

1918
01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:11.520
<v Speaker 17>like that on a daily basis, it's just incredible. I mean,

1919
01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.319
<v Speaker 17>you can't describe that. And then later I got to

1920
01:42:14.319 --> 01:42:17.039
<v Speaker 17>work at the Atlanta Braves and Skip Carry and Pete

1921
01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:21.439
<v Speaker 17>Van Wien and Don Sutton, and I learned more about

1922
01:42:21.439 --> 01:42:23.279
<v Speaker 17>baseball every day than I you know, I knew in

1923
01:42:23.359 --> 01:42:26.000
<v Speaker 17>my whole life, because I just love baseball. I never played,

1924
01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:30.920
<v Speaker 17>but doing reds baseball at WLW was nothing. There's nothing

1925
01:42:31.039 --> 01:42:33.960
<v Speaker 17>like it. It never was, never will be. It was

1926
01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:36.279
<v Speaker 17>the best thing I ever did, most fun ever had.

1927
01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:38.800
<v Speaker 17>I wish it would have lasted a lot longer, but

1928
01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:41.039
<v Speaker 17>it didn't. But you know, the lasted a day. And

1929
01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:43.960
<v Speaker 17>I told Marty this, you know more than once. Now,

1930
01:42:44.119 --> 01:42:46.279
<v Speaker 17>if it only lasted a day, it was worth it.

1931
01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:47.720
<v Speaker 17>And everybody that loved.

1932
01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:50.479
<v Speaker 4>Baseball as much as I do could do that for

1933
01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:53.000
<v Speaker 4>one day and maybe that would be great.

1934
01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Your your hometown is Evansville, Indiana, which happens to be

1935
01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the hometown of one Don Mattingly don Donnie Baseball.

1936
01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you know Donny Baseball? Growing up?

1937
01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:06.199
<v Speaker 17>Grew up don up, grew up with Donnie Baseball. He

1938
01:43:06.239 --> 01:43:10.880
<v Speaker 17>played the little league and baby brief league with coming up,

1939
01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:14.000
<v Speaker 17>growing up with some of my best friends and was

1940
01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:16.920
<v Speaker 17>around don a lot that known don forever. I mean,

1941
01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:19.159
<v Speaker 17>we've done a bunch of fun stuff together.

1942
01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:20.079
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

1943
01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:24.319
<v Speaker 17>When he had the the campaign that was I think

1944
01:43:24.439 --> 01:43:28.079
<v Speaker 17>Nike or something that uh, he and Kim Grippy Junior

1945
01:43:28.119 --> 01:43:31.720
<v Speaker 17>did where Mattingly hits a baseball at Yankee Stadium and

1946
01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:35.199
<v Speaker 17>Grippy's in center field there and he chases the ball

1947
01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:37.720
<v Speaker 17>all the way across the country and catches it in Seattle.

1948
01:43:38.199 --> 01:43:41.239
<v Speaker 17>We did the radio version of that with Nike, and

1949
01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:43.680
<v Speaker 17>uh I did those in evans but it was with

1950
01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:46.680
<v Speaker 17>Donnie had a really cool bar there, and we did

1951
01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:49.159
<v Speaker 17>a lot of charity stuff together over the years. And

1952
01:43:49.239 --> 01:43:51.439
<v Speaker 17>he's a wonderful guy. I hope he's the next manager

1953
01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:52.039
<v Speaker 17>the Yankees.

1954
01:43:52.079 --> 01:43:56.640
<v Speaker 2>A little dude, you have, you have kind of a

1955
01:43:56.880 --> 01:44:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe not a direct tie, but you kind

1956
01:44:00.319 --> 01:44:02.760
<v Speaker 2>of relationship with another Indiana boy.

1957
01:44:02.840 --> 01:44:03.880
<v Speaker 1>John Mellencamp too.

1958
01:44:05.800 --> 01:44:08.880
<v Speaker 17>John, I've known for more than football, almost twenty five years.

1959
01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:12.279
<v Speaker 17>I guess we first met nineteen eighty Yeah, before you

1960
01:44:12.359 --> 01:44:16.279
<v Speaker 17>and I even met. I've been friends ever since. Got

1961
01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:18.920
<v Speaker 17>to go backstage at one of his concerts at the

1962
01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.920
<v Speaker 17>Grand Old Operator, which is in eighty four, and it

1963
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:26.319
<v Speaker 17>was so cool. John was great that night. He was

1964
01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:28.479
<v Speaker 17>one of his best shows. There was the first rock

1965
01:44:28.600 --> 01:44:31.199
<v Speaker 17>show they have a like regular rock show. They scheduled

1966
01:44:31.199 --> 01:44:32.840
<v Speaker 17>to play at the Grand Ole Operator or a minute

1967
01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:37.760
<v Speaker 17>after afterwards. But I got to meet Roy Acuff that night,

1968
01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:41.720
<v Speaker 17>and Minnie Pearl was there, and John Primee was there.

1969
01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:45.000
<v Speaker 17>Just so a lot of great memories of John. Yeah,

1970
01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:48.079
<v Speaker 17>from Indiana. We played at the same time in nineteen

1971
01:44:48.119 --> 01:44:50.119
<v Speaker 17>seventy nine. He was still playing at a bar called

1972
01:44:50.119 --> 01:44:53.039
<v Speaker 17>the Blue Note in Bloomington, and I was a club

1973
01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:56.079
<v Speaker 17>jock and a block down the street at the Regulator,

1974
01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:59.199
<v Speaker 17>and I was a kid in nineteen.

1975
01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:06.079
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no doubt. My tie to John Mellencamp is

1976
01:45:06.279 --> 01:45:09.840
<v Speaker 2>very It's way different. Never we're friends, never had a

1977
01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:16.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of time together. But I'm sitting in my radio class. Actually,

1978
01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:19.640
<v Speaker 2>this is years after I'd graduated from Vall State there

1979
01:45:19.680 --> 01:45:23.680
<v Speaker 2>in Gallatin, and I'm talking to my old professor, Skiff Sparkman,

1980
01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:27.520
<v Speaker 2>and he's got a picture on his desk of these

1981
01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:30.479
<v Speaker 2>just him and a bunch of kids from like the seventies.

1982
01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:34.199
<v Speaker 2>He goes, you know who that is? You know who's

1983
01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:36.880
<v Speaker 2>in He said, that's John Mellencamp. He was a student

1984
01:45:36.920 --> 01:45:41.279
<v Speaker 2>of mine at Vincennes Junior College in radio he did.

1985
01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:42.920
<v Speaker 4>And he was there to be a DJ. He wanted

1986
01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:44.760
<v Speaker 4>to be a radio DJ, and he told me was

1987
01:45:44.920 --> 01:45:45.359
<v Speaker 4>good enough.

1988
01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, let me tell you the conversation that Skiff had

1989
01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:52.920
<v Speaker 2>with John. He said he pulled it aside after the

1990
01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:57.640
<v Speaker 2>first quarter of school and said, John, what do you

1991
01:45:57.720 --> 01:46:01.239
<v Speaker 2>really want to do in life? And Johnson what he said,

1992
01:46:01.239 --> 01:46:03.399
<v Speaker 2>I want to play music? He said you should go.

1993
01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:05.560
<v Speaker 2>After that, he said he was the worst student he'd

1994
01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:06.319
<v Speaker 2>ever had.

1995
01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:13.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, John's not like anybody else. He's really not.

1996
01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:18.039
<v Speaker 17>He's an acquiet taste too. Really, I think he's marrible.

1997
01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:20.920
<v Speaker 17>And I'm glad he's you know, they're still doing well.

1998
01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:23.319
<v Speaker 17>But he always seemed like he was the same age

1999
01:46:23.359 --> 01:46:25.680
<v Speaker 17>as me. But he's not. He's eight or nine years old.

2000
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:28.239
<v Speaker 17>He's seventy seventy one now or something. Of them, and

2001
01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:32.720
<v Speaker 17>I'm a mire sixty four. We were nineteen years old,

2002
01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:35.760
<v Speaker 17>I think at twenty years old when we started working

2003
01:46:36.039 --> 01:46:40.000
<v Speaker 17>in chatt America. Absolutely kids, man, twenty years old.

2004
01:46:40.079 --> 01:46:41.319
<v Speaker 4>I live on our own.

2005
01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:44.399
<v Speaker 2>February of nineteen eighty February of nineteen eighty one, I'm

2006
01:46:44.399 --> 01:46:46.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty years old. It's my first time away from home.

2007
01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:50.199
<v Speaker 2>And then I get to meet you and you're my

2008
01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:52.840
<v Speaker 2>tour guide through this crazy malay.

2009
01:46:53.039 --> 01:46:55.760
<v Speaker 17>Thanks oh man, h You know, I was and I

2010
01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:58.159
<v Speaker 17>was married with a little baby. And that little baby

2011
01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:00.920
<v Speaker 17>is will be forty four years old next month.

2012
01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:06.680
<v Speaker 1>How about that? Has hats off to Brett. So I

2013
01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>gotta I gotta ask.

2014
01:47:07.720 --> 01:47:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I gotta ask you a question and you may not

2015
01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:12.560
<v Speaker 2>have you may have want more than one answer for this.

2016
01:47:12.760 --> 01:47:12.960
<v Speaker 4>Eric.

2017
01:47:13.239 --> 01:47:15.439
<v Speaker 2>We're talking to Eric Page American History on the radio

2018
01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:18.840
<v Speaker 2>in the Nightcap, and the question is you've been out

2019
01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:20.760
<v Speaker 2>quite a while of the business.

2020
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you miss it all the time?

2021
01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Do you miss it some of the time, or do

2022
01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:30.039
<v Speaker 2>you not miss it at all?

2023
01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:33.319
<v Speaker 17>I miss doing a show. I miss actually showing up

2024
01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:36.000
<v Speaker 17>and just doing the work, just doing you know, the

2025
01:47:36.079 --> 01:47:39.520
<v Speaker 17>actual podcast. I don't I don't miss anything else outside

2026
01:47:39.560 --> 01:47:43.800
<v Speaker 17>of it. I sometimes I missed the production. I missed

2027
01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:45.439
<v Speaker 17>being able to be in a production room for a

2028
01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:48.279
<v Speaker 17>couple of hours a day and and out stuff with it.

2029
01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:50.880
<v Speaker 17>It's just a commercial for somebody's lawn and garden center

2030
01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:53.600
<v Speaker 17>or whatever. It's just or just creating something else with

2031
01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:56.000
<v Speaker 17>the show to mond and the show prep. I missed that,

2032
01:47:56.680 --> 01:47:58.319
<v Speaker 17>But I still do it all in my mind, so

2033
01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:02.000
<v Speaker 17>I really I'm still doing it. I think I think

2034
01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:05.119
<v Speaker 17>I never stopped. I just I just don't actually broadcast anymore.

2035
01:48:05.159 --> 01:48:06.439
<v Speaker 17>And I think that's the only difference.

2036
01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:06.720
<v Speaker 4>Really.

2037
01:48:07.319 --> 01:48:10.000
<v Speaker 17>Yeah, I tell the people too. I miss you guys.

2038
01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:13.319
<v Speaker 17>I miss everybody, but everybody's gone. I mean you're You're

2039
01:48:13.399 --> 01:48:16.600
<v Speaker 17>like the only guy left who's laughed. Who's Mike mcconnall.

2040
01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:21.319
<v Speaker 17>I love McConnell, thank god. Yeah, And I miss you know.

2041
01:48:21.359 --> 01:48:24.079
<v Speaker 17>I missed Jim Scott. I'm going to mention Jim Scott.

2042
01:48:24.119 --> 01:48:26.239
<v Speaker 17>I thought he was just a wonderful person to work with.

2043
01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:30.960
<v Speaker 17>I can't I can't imagine a better pro. He was

2044
01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:35.960
<v Speaker 17>just always so welcoming and so encouraging and everything to

2045
01:48:36.039 --> 01:48:38.039
<v Speaker 17>me because I was just a nervous wreck, you know,

2046
01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:41.600
<v Speaker 17>can you imagine going on with Jim Scott? Like for

2047
01:48:41.640 --> 01:48:44.279
<v Speaker 17>the very first time. He's like, and I'm filling it

2048
01:48:44.319 --> 01:48:47.520
<v Speaker 17>for Springer or somebody, and it's just I'm just a

2049
01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:48.119
<v Speaker 17>nervous wreck.

2050
01:48:48.239 --> 01:48:50.319
<v Speaker 4>He was great. He let me get my thing, you know,

2051
01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:55.119
<v Speaker 4>because it's a little different, but he was great.

2052
01:48:55.479 --> 01:48:58.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, you mentioned, you mentioned, you mentioned Jim, and

2053
01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>we all excuse me, you got me. We all missed you.

2054
01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:09.760
<v Speaker 2>But the thing that made Jim Scott so special and

2055
01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:13.439
<v Speaker 2>so popular was you talked about us. In early days

2056
01:49:13.439 --> 01:49:16.680
<v Speaker 2>in Chattanooga, we were out somewhere every day, you know,

2057
01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:19.000
<v Speaker 2>at least three or four times a week, meeting people.

2058
01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:21.720
<v Speaker 2>That is what Jim Scott had, and that's what he

2059
01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:25.600
<v Speaker 2>did for the entirety of his radio career here. Jim

2060
01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:30.479
<v Speaker 2>Scott never met a stranger, and he was literally somewhere

2061
01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:32.840
<v Speaker 2>every single day after he got off the radio, out

2062
01:49:32.840 --> 01:49:33.760
<v Speaker 2>in the public.

2063
01:49:35.319 --> 01:49:36.279
<v Speaker 4>And so wise.

2064
01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:38.800
<v Speaker 17>We were neighbors in East Waller Hills for while. I

2065
01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:41.600
<v Speaker 17>lived there too, and I got to see him a

2066
01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:44.800
<v Speaker 17>lot from this outside of work, which was great because

2067
01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:47.359
<v Speaker 17>it was just a little bit, a little bit there,

2068
01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:51.600
<v Speaker 17>you know, and I started as a great person. I

2069
01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:56.319
<v Speaker 17>miss her. I miss Marty alive, sure, miss Joe. Good

2070
01:49:56.359 --> 01:49:58.520
<v Speaker 17>grief Marty is one of the funniest people of him man.

2071
01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:05.560
<v Speaker 17>Until I met Skip care I had Skip Carrey's Harry

2072
01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:09.640
<v Speaker 17>Carey's grandson, Josh Carry was my action. Was my intern

2073
01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:13.279
<v Speaker 17>in Atlanta one summer, Joe, when I was a sports

2074
01:50:13.319 --> 01:50:17.119
<v Speaker 17>director at ninety six Rock and WGST there and doing

2075
01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:21.119
<v Speaker 17>Atlanta Braves baseball, And I just couldn't believe. It just

2076
01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:23.960
<v Speaker 17>blew me away that Harry Carey's grandson was my intern.

2077
01:50:24.079 --> 01:50:26.399
<v Speaker 17>It's like, shouldn't I be working for you? What's the deal?

2078
01:50:27.199 --> 01:50:27.800
<v Speaker 1>No question?

2079
01:50:28.640 --> 01:50:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, brother, it's so good to share some memories with you.

2080
01:50:31.520 --> 01:50:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh and we do it occasionally just personally over the phone,

2081
01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:40.279
<v Speaker 2>and that's great too. But the fact we get to

2082
01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:44.359
<v Speaker 2>share some of it with the Nightcap listeners under this

2083
01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:48.800
<v Speaker 2>platform is meaningful to me. And I really appreciate your

2084
01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:50.560
<v Speaker 2>time tonight.

2085
01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:52.520
<v Speaker 4>And thank you. I love you, and I miss everybody

2086
01:50:52.520 --> 01:50:55.119
<v Speaker 4>in Cincinnati. I love you all. I hope a see

2087
01:50:55.159 --> 01:50:55.840
<v Speaker 4>scene sometimes.

2088
01:50:55.960 --> 01:50:59.159
<v Speaker 2>All right, stay Rocky Mountain High out there in Colorado, brother,

2089
01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:03.159
<v Speaker 2>and watch out, watch out for the Democrats.

2090
01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:04.680
<v Speaker 1>They're surrounding you.

2091
01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:06.560
<v Speaker 4>They're not out They're not out here.

2092
01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:13.600
<v Speaker 12>This is a Mount Clay, Red Clay, all right, Aaron

2093
01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:15.359
<v Speaker 12>take take care for everybody.

2094
01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:19.159
<v Speaker 2>It's the Nightcab, I love you too. And it continues

2095
01:51:19.239 --> 01:51:21.039
<v Speaker 2>on seven hundred WLW.

2096
01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:26.319
<v Speaker 7>A lot of people get their kicks talking trash about America.

2097
01:51:26.399 --> 01:51:27.960
<v Speaker 1>That just goes to show how ignorant they are.

2098
01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Someone needs to sit their butts down and give them

2099
01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:34.399
<v Speaker 2>a good solid dose of Bill Cunningham. Willie will teach

2100
01:51:34.439 --> 01:51:36.039
<v Speaker 2>them how lucky they are to be American.

2101
01:51:36.159 --> 01:51:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Do they really think it's better in Russia?

2102
01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:38.319
<v Speaker 13>Hell?

2103
01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:39.479
<v Speaker 1>No, better in Haiti.

2104
01:51:39.560 --> 01:51:41.439
<v Speaker 7>No one wants to be in Haiti, better in Canada.

2105
01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't want poutine.

2106
01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:43.680
<v Speaker 3>I want Bill Cunningham.

2107
01:51:43.680 --> 01:51:49.520
<v Speaker 7>He's a great American. Bill Cunningham. Tomorrow at twelve noon

2108
01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:53.199
<v Speaker 7>on seven hundred w l W.

2109
01:51:55.680 --> 01:51:58.920
<v Speaker 14>We're just days away from our twenty twenty four.

2110
01:51:59.119 --> 01:52:03.319
<v Speaker 2>As we put the clothes on this nightcap on seven

2111
01:52:03.359 --> 01:52:07.239
<v Speaker 2>hundred WLW, Garry Jeff with my sinceres thanks to John Records,

2112
01:52:07.319 --> 01:52:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Land Decker Radio Legend and in this last hour my

2113
01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:13.960
<v Speaker 2>buddy Eric Page sharing some of our old radio guys

2114
01:52:14.039 --> 01:52:16.239
<v Speaker 2>stories from back in the day. I hope you weren't

2115
01:52:16.279 --> 01:52:19.000
<v Speaker 2>bored by them. It was a nice trip back in

2116
01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.680
<v Speaker 2>time for me. And if you're a fan of radio

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously you're listening to this you are. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you at least appreciated that little look back with American

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<v Speaker 2>history on the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Also thanks to.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Marty McCarey, the new book once again is Blind Spots,

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<v Speaker 2>about the medical profession, which he's been a part of

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<v Speaker 2>for decades. New York Times bestselling author Blind Spots is

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<v Speaker 2>out now and as always, the fur ball is always

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<v Speaker 2>a blast. We'll see you again soon on another nightcap.

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<v Speaker 2>A new season, Season eight of this show kicks off

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<v Speaker 2>September thirtieth. Hope to talk to you then, if not before.

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<v Speaker 2>Now our national land from Donna America on seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>w LW