Speaker 1: God Ge Hillaries and God Made Hillaries and God Made
I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Miss Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You
Can't Be Serious podcast, where we talk about movies from
the eighties, nineties and beyond. Jason, who are we here
to talk about today?
Speaker 3: We are here to talk about mister Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 2: What kind of stupid name is that?
Speaker 3: The biggest yellow belly in the West.
Speaker 2: Guys, we are here to talk about Clint Eastwood, specifically
mister Philo Beto, which is some kind of kick button
name as well. I got a question for you, Jason, Yes,
File Betto's pretty strong, right, Yeah? You think he's strong
enough to beat Superman? Sure, we'll see in a little bit. Okay, Ah,
all right, I like it. Okay, good, Okay.
Speaker 3: So we came in with the song Hey, I gotta
stop you right there?
Speaker 2: Okay, hang ony.
Speaker 3: Yesterday was Clint Eastwood's birthday?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
Speaker 3: On our Facebook page, I put a post of Michael J.
Fox as Marty McFly in Back to the Future three
and it said happy birthday Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 2: I got one of two responses.
Speaker 3: One of them was, ha, that's funny, that's really Yeah. Clever,
that's smart, and the other one was that's not Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, this is a sad statement on the education
of humanity right here.
Speaker 3: If you don't get that joke, you need to go run,
not walk. Go run and watch Back to the Future
three again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, skip back to the future two. Go straight to
Back to the Future three. Yes, yes, Okay. So you
introed us with You're the reason God made Oklahoma and
it's the perfect intro song for the story that I
am about to tell you. I'm about to tell you
the story of Piggy Barnes.
Speaker 3: Piggy Barnes.
Speaker 2: Piggy Barnes, So, Piggy Barnes was a high school athlete,
part of the nineteen thirty eight undefeated season for his
high school. After he graduated high school, he went on
to be a sergeant in World War Two. Then after
World War Two, he went to college at LSU, where
he was a football player and a weight lifting champion.
He went from LSU to join the Philadelphia Eagles, where
he played guard for them from nineteen forty eight to
nineteen fifty one. Okay, now, while he was still a
member of the Philadelphia Eagles team, he was down in
Louisiana visiting his college friends, and he got involved in
spying on the nineteen forty nine undefeated Ou team coached
by mister Bud Wilkinson, himself.
Speaker 3: College football legend, Buddy Wilkinson.
Speaker 2: We named the stadium after him, absolutely we did.
Speaker 3: Yes, the longest current winning streak in college football still holds.
Speaker 2: By the way sidebar Ou women's softball team currently has
the longest winning streak for women's softball, and yesterday played
the first game of the College Women's World Series. They
got another game tomorrow. I'm hoping by the time this
episode comes out that you all will know that we
won yet another women's World Series. Yes, yes, So anyway,
I digress. The important thing to know is that sports
is important to Oklahoma. It always has been, right, and
when you get to a stage where you're involved in
a bowl, and a big bowl like the Sugar Bowl, yes,
it's really important that you keep your stuff secret, right.
You don't want people spying on you. Sure well, While
Bud Wilkinson is getting ready for the Sugar Bowl in
nineteen fifty in Biloxi, Mississippi, he gets a phone call
and he says, you have guys spying on your team. Now,
many will say that this is the only time in
his entire seventeen year career as a OU football coach
that they saw him get mad. Yeah, he got livid.
Uh huh. So he puts together a detective team and
they go out. They go there's this garage where they
can see down into the field in Biloxi, Mississippi, where
the OU Sooners are playing. Okay, and so this team
of law enforcement photographers reporters are all converging on this
point and they find this guy hiding underneath a blanket
with binoculars and charts and cameras, and he sees them coming.
He sees them closing in, so he jumps down, goes
into the garage yelling profanities at them. They're banging on
the door. He eventually busts out and they managed to
snap a picture of him.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Now this is back in the day when pictures had
to develop, so it was another day before they developed
the picture. And when they developed the picture, they saw
that it was mister Piggy Barnes from the Philadelphia Eagles,
former LA shoe player who was spying on him and
Bud Wilkinson was like, come out. Okay. He comes out
and he's this guy has gone into hiding with another
LSU player named Albert Manuel, and he's And Bud Wilkinson says,
show yourselves and declare your innocence, so we're gonna assume
you're guilty. They never come out right, so your mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah.
So nineteen fifty Sugar Bowl OU beats LSU thirty five
to zero. It made no difference at all, right, except
that he was horribly embarrassed. He ultimately the next year
leaves the Philadelphia Eagles and goes into acting. Okay, okay,
Barnes goes into acting because he's a terrible spy and
he is a He plays parts in gun Smoke and
Bonanza and Raw Hide, Rowdy Yates, Anybody Yes, Yes, okay,
and The Dukes of Hazzard, along with a ton of others,
where at some point he realizes he's good at playing
a sheriff. Plays the sheriff in at least ten different
TV shows and movies, including High Planes Drifter. Okay, okay,
and in nineteen eighty one brings that sheriff role to
a key role in a movie that is a knockoff
of Smoky in the Bandit. It's a movie called Smoky
Bites the Dust came out in nineteen eighty one. Yes,
and it is an absolute dismal failure. But it's not
the first Smoky in the Bandit that he is knocked off. Okay,
the first one is the movie we're here to talk
about today, Every Which Way but Loose, where Walter Lee
Piggy Barnes plays the character that is much talked about.
But little scene mister Tank Murdoch, as you said.
Speaker 1: You're just a you got an Eastwood smile and Robert
red food Ham.
Speaker 3: Oh no way, Tank Murdoch.
Speaker 2: Yes, there you go. That is awesome. So Tank Murdoch,
the championship fight at the end of Every Which Way
But Loose was a guy who was once a spy
for LSU against both.
Speaker 3: Wow, that is a great story.
Speaker 2: Thanks man.
Speaker 3: I was wondering where we're going with this.
Speaker 2: Where are you going with this.
Speaker 3: Mister Tank Murdoch. That's the guy. He's like the big
battye at the end of the movie. Yeah, we'll talk
about what we think about that fight sort of at
the end, but that's the big batty cool. Okay, great
So we are here today to talk about the movies
Every Which Way but Loose from nineteen seventy eight and
the sequel Any Which Way You Can, which came out
in nineteen eighty. Now, these are Clint Eastwood's first two
attempts at comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're gonna talk about whether.
Speaker 3: We think he succeeds or whether you think he feels Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we talked about the fact that his career is
far too long for us to go into depth on, right,
And he has been making movies and TV shows as
long as my dad's been alive.
Speaker 3: I mean way longer than we've been alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and seventy years or more at this point, right, right, right,
And so he started off, well, I'm just gonna skim
by here, We're just gonna run through but right, he
starts off and gets kind of ridiculed as a bad actor.
But he starts off in rawhide, rowdy yates. Yes, But
ultimately a little bit later he gets a chance break.
The guy who directed Once Upon a Time in the
West has a new movie that he wants to direct
that's kind of a knockoff of a Kira Kirosawa movie
called Jimbo. Yeah, okay, but he can't get the guys
who were in Once upon a Time in the West
because they're too expensive. Charles Brownson is too expensive at
this point, and so he falls back on Clint Eastwood,
and that is how we get the man with no name,
the dollar trill g Yeah, this full of dollars, a
few dollars more and.
Speaker 3: Fantastic. I love clinist. Let's talk about that for just
a second. Yeah, are you a Clin Eastwood guy? Like,
do you like his movies?
Speaker 2: My friends growing up were all about John Wayne like
their dad's watched John Wayne movies with him. My dad
watched Clint Eastwood movies with me, Like, I mean, that's
what we watched. And it wasn't so much the spaghetti
westerns but the Dirty Harry movies. My dad thought they
were hysterical. He could have called him a comedy. He
thought it was great. Well really, when Clint Eastwood would
go and foil a bank robbery while all chewing on
the same bite of hot dog, he thought it was hysterical. So, okay,
lots and lots of Clin Eastwood movies in my past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, Okay, I love Clin Eastwood movies too. And
the funny thing is that he's sort of REINVENTI himself
several times, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and especially as a director, has done so
many different types of movies, I mean, and has proven
himself over and over, and it seems like every single
time that he goes out and tries something new, the
critics ridicule him, but the fans love him.
Speaker 3: One of these days, we need to talk about Unforgiven,
which is kind of his masterpiece.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and we had our friend Dale Selby say, hey,
you should do Unforgiven versus Dances with Wolves? Yeah right, yeah,
And then I started out. We started watching these movies
and I was like, you know what, I kind of
want to watch The Outlaw Josie Wales. That was one
of my favorite cowboy movies. It is sure. I start
watching that, I'm like, oh my gosh, it's all the
guys who are in every which way below it is.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, right, I mean, Sondra Locke is there, John
Quaid is there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who is the main bad guy, the
Union soldier, he's one of the black widows, the guy
who pulls them across the river, who's singing Dixie on
one Way Across. He's one of the black widows. I mean,
there are tons of guys. Oh and by the way,
in The Outlaw Josie Wales, Yeah, the throwback to one
of our very old, very unpopular episodisodes. Chev Woolley is
also in The Outlaw Josie Wales. He is the guy
who spoiler alert for that episode you're never gonna listen to.
He's the guy who did the Wilhelm yell is the
on screen.
Speaker 3: That's right, I forgot about that. That's right.
Speaker 2: He's the guy who in Josie Wales is playing the
fiddle at the end and gets buried up to his
neck by the Indians. It's great movie. It is a
fantastic movie.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. Okay, cool, So let's talk about the birth
of this movie.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, Yeah, So this script was written by a
guy named Jeremy Joe Cronensberg. Yes, okay, he hasn't done
a whole lot. Jeremy Joe, Jeremy Joe Cronsberg.
Speaker 3: He goes by JJ. I bet he goes by Jay.
Speaker 2: He probably goes by JJ. Yeah, he's done obviously every
which way but loose. He also wrote the script for
Any Which Way you Can and Going Ape.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fantastic. Okay, stop right there. Okay, you're blowing
my mind already.
Speaker 2: Have you seen Going Ape? I have not, but I
am aware that it involves a rang attang and there's
a little bit of a theme here. All right.
Speaker 3: So here's here's where the Shirley World colldes right here.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So you've got Danny DeVito, yes, which we talked about
in our Twins episode, and Tony Danza holy close.
Speaker 2: Now, Tony Dance.
Speaker 3: Which we talked briefly about Taxi in our TV Themes
episode we did. Then you've got Poppy the Orangutang, who
plays Clyde's girlfriend in Any.
Speaker 2: Which Way you Can? Oh nice? Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so it's just kind.
Speaker 3: Of a fun collision movie and there's stupid hilarity. And
as a kid, I freaking love this movie.
Speaker 2: You loved Going Ape, so I had to. When I
saw this movie, I immediately started thinking about Electric Boogaloo,
the Cannon Films documentary, because they had a movie that
was supposed to have an ape in it, but like
the Ape ended up, the Orangutang, Yes, it ended up
biting the kid, and so like the next day it
was a midget in an ape suit that looked absolutely terrible.
Cannon films, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, I don't know if
I don't know if Manis was the one that bit
the kid or not.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so the interesting thing before we even really
get down the road. Yeah, so Manis was the orangutang
in every which way but loose. Yes, they had to
fire him and get a different orangutang for the second
one because they try to keep them young, because they're
kind of more.
Speaker 2: Docile as they're young.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the second ape was his name was Buddha Buddha.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. There was another ape that was involved as well,
called c J, which might be Clyde Junior. It might
be that might be how he got that name, Clyde Junior.
I think that he may have come in for when
they were doing their marketing and publicity, for he was
the he was the ape that would go out into
the public I guess. Interesting. Interesting, okay. And there's a
there's a whole story out there involving Pete and Jane
Goodall and the mistreatment of these animals, and that story
has been called into question by other people, and we
don't I'll get involved in that nonsense.
Speaker 3: Here, not talking about any of that.
Speaker 2: Tell you that it exists. Okay, there, right, there you go.
So JJ Kronsberg has this script, Yes, that involves a
bare knuckle brawler yep, and an.
Speaker 3: Eight because why not right?
Speaker 2: How can it not win? Right? How can it fail? Right?
Of course? Well, unfortunately it fails like studio after studio
after studio all turned him down. But you got the
story on why this is a Smoking in the Bandit
knockoff a bit of a stretch, I admit for the story, but.
Speaker 3: Not real I mean, you know, kind of.
Speaker 2: But so tell me what your thoughts said.
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's a couple of urban legends about how
this ended up with Clint Eastwood because this movie was
originally intended for Burt Reynolds.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy seven, Burt Reynolds does a comedy called Smoking
the Bandit.
Speaker 2: And this is after he's done a bunch of serious stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, Deliverance was a fantastic but
very serious, very dark movie action hero. Yeah, well, how
Needham's says, Well, Burt Reynolds is a movie star. Let's
make him into a comedic actor. And Smoking the Bandit
is one of the greatest movies of the seventies.
Speaker 2: Shout out to our pal Van Allen Plexico. I think
it's maybe his favorite movie of all times.
Speaker 3: It's irresistible.
Speaker 2: But by the way, guys, we covered Smoking in the
Bandit versus Canniball Run and I think season one, season one.
Speaker 3: It's been a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so definitely go check that out. But Hal Needham
was Burt reynolds stunt man living on his couch, right,
he's he's part of the inspiration for Brad Pitt's character
and once upon a time in Hollywood. Absolutely, and so
he's he writes this script and gives it to Burt Reynolds,
and Burt Reynolds said, this may be the worst script
I've ever read.
Speaker 3: In my life.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he's then Smoking the Bandits of course a big success.
Speaker 3: It's the second largest movie from nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it only.
Speaker 3: Trails Star Wars.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen that one or not,
but Star War that one, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, so oh.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Smoking Man, huge hit. So they want Burt Reynolds
for every which way but loose. Let's do another comedy
barre Knuckles, Brawler and Orangu and Tang. How can we
lose plus Burt Renlds. So one version I read was
basically they got it to Burt Reynolds and Burt Reylds
was like, I don't really want to do this.
Speaker 2: I like monkeys.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about this. Maybe my buddy Clint Eastwood
would like to do it, Okay. Another version of it
was there was a secretary involved and they were trying
to pass it through the secretary to get to Burt Reynolds,
and the secretary like intercepted it, showed it to Clint.
Clint's like, yeah, I kind of want to because Clint
was wanting to do something a little bit more broad,
a little bit more smoking the bandit, a little more
commercial broad in his appeal, and he basically intercepted the script.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the secretary her husband was a guy who
was a sound guy. His name was Bob Hoyit and
he did Mister Host. Yeah. He did the sound for Jaws,
for play Misty, for Me, for The Last Starfighter, Yes
for weird science. Yes, and he I don't know how
the sound guy knows the right people to talk to,
but he is the one that convinced Warner Brothers to
greenlight this project.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you know, play Misty for Me, Clint Eastwood.
There you go. Wow, it's fantastic. So the movie is
produced by a guy named Robert Day. Now, Robert Daly
was with Clint Eastwood from Play Misty for Me all
the way through any which way you can, Yeah, and
then didn't do anything for a while, and then he
did two more movies in nineteen eighty five. First one
was Stick starring Burt Reynolds. Yeah by Elmore Leonard your favorite,
right More. And the second one was Real Genius, Get
out of here. I gotta I got to throw back
for you. Ready for this? Yes? Mitch Taylor, Yeah, mitge Yeah,
the not Val Kilmer part. Mitch Taylor was played by
a guy named Gabriel Jarrett. Yes, Gabriel Jarrett is the
son of Jeremy Joe Cronsberg, the writer of this movie.
No way, there you go.
Speaker 3: You're blowing my mind left and right. Happy to be
Where are you going to find this information? That's incredible?
Speaker 2: Thanks. So the movie was directed by a guy named
James Fargo, who is still alive. He's eighty four years old.
Dude's old man, Yeah, but not as old as Clint. No,
he's not.
Speaker 3: Clint just turned ninety three yesterday, by.
Speaker 2: It, Yes, right, Clint is nine years older than fifty four.
It's crazy anyway. He had been assistant director for Steven
Spielberg on Duel.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, and so Clenn Eastwood's like, hey, I need a director.
You obviously, you know, have worked with the best, so
come work with me. He did The Enforcer, He did
every which way but loose, and then he would go
on to his very important job of directing the eighteen.
Be sure and go back if you haven't heard our
last three episodes. We did the best TV themes of
the seventies and eighties, and that one is there somewhere.
Speaker 3: I pity the fool who did not listen to those episodes.
By the way, Jas Fargo also worked on Joe Kid, Yeah,
High Planes, Drifter, The Iigres Sanction, Ala Jose.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: Well, so he's been around Clint a bunch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did a lot for him, Yes, okay, So let's
talk about the crazy name of this movie. Yeah, every
which Way but loose? Like I have trouble, I have
to think about it to say it right every single time.
Why would you call a movie this because there was
a cool song by Eddie Rabbit called every Which Way
but Loose, and they decided we want that song in
the movie, and we're gonna name the movie after the song.
Speaker 1: Every which Way. She turned every which way inside the
five burning in my line. You just keep burning me
every which way?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: You turned me?
Speaker 2: Give me?
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought the song was written for the movie.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, I am only here to report what
I read, my friend.
Speaker 3: The interwebs are telling us that that's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that brings us to soundtrack of the show.
You've got the Coca Cola Cowboy, Mister, mister mel tillis perfect.
Speaker 3: I can't going leive m big men O.
Speaker 1: Welcome to pretty miss, then Howley.
Speaker 2: Taylor. You got Closed Doors by Charlie Rich and you
got a couple songs by this woman named Sondra Locke. Yes,
so there's a famous producer, famous country music producer named
Snuff Garrett who produced these songs for this movie. And
that included her songs, and his take was recording with
her was problematic.
Speaker 1: Time with nobody else around.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: All I could think of as I watched it was
this was the best take, This was the best I
I hate to do this, but this is the way
I felt since I was a little tiny kid watching
these movies with my dad. Sounderlocke is not an attractive person.
Like as I got older. You remember when we talked
about Toto, and it was like Toto, the guys from
Toto looked like the guys your mom dated after she
brought she divorced your dad. Yes, Sonderlock looks like the
girl your dad dated after he divorced your mom.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the one that you don't like.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, you don't like her, and you're like dad,
you could do so much better than Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: She was involved with Den Eastwood for years.
Speaker 2: It started with the outlaw Josie Whale.
Speaker 3: By the way, on the subject of Sondra Locke, Yeah,
our good buddy, mister David Deaf Dave Wright sent me
some pictures the other day. She is sort of widely
known to come from Shelbyville, Tennessee. Yes, but actually it's
a smaller town close to Shelbyville called war Trace, And
so he ran over there the other day and sent
me some pictures from war Trace, Tennessee because he knew
we were doing this.
Speaker 2: Oh so nice, Yeah, good job.
Speaker 3: So he showed me this, sent me this picture of
downtown right here.
Speaker 2: So that's it.
Speaker 3: That's all of it.
Speaker 2: That's the whole one. Yeah, that's three buildings. So yeah,
she was. She was a young model who had gotten
some attention and managed to secure a role in the
nineteen sixty eight movie The Heart is a Lonely Hunter,
which she was nominated for an Oscar for what but
she lost out to Ruth Gordon. Are you kidding me?
I Am not kidding you. And for those of you
who don't know what I'm talking about, can you tell
us who Ruth Gordon is?
Speaker 3: Ruth Gordon plays Ma in both of these movies.
Speaker 2: I knew I should have worn my wig.
Speaker 3: You Harry Abe steal in my oreos She's hilarious.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: She won an Oscar for Rosemary's Baby. That was it.
Speaker 2: It was the year nineteen sixty eight. That's incredible.
Speaker 3: You're blowing my mind, Like I can't even go anywhere.
Speaker 1: You know all.
Speaker 2: I love it. By the way, we.
Speaker 3: Forgot to tell you before we started this podcast. Yeah,
we should have the same rules for our podcast that
Pilo has for Clyde. No spitting, no pissing, no farting,
no picking your hack.
Speaker 2: Man, that ruins my day. So we have a wonderful
cast in this movie, right in both of these movies,
because we've got a lot of carry over here. Basically
the same Yeah, basically the same cast. So we know
Clint Eastwood. We know that even though he was married
and she was married at the time of the Outlaw,
Josie Wales, they both fell in love and started dating
each other, and so they're in it. Then we have wait,
there's a story that goes with this. Oh, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get too deep on this because
that's kind of our style. We like the juiciness, but
we want to avoid the controversy.
Speaker 2: Get it as juicy as you like it, and then
cut what you don't know. Here's the deal.
Speaker 3: Soder Locke was married to another man. Word on the
street is they never consummated that relationship because he didn't
really like her.
Speaker 2: If you know what I'm saying, right, And they.
Speaker 3: Were married for years and years and years, and we're
sort of more roommates than friends. She was with Clint
Eastwood for years and years and years. There's a lot
of overlap here. It's a lot of Hollywood stuff. I'm
not really sure how that works.
Speaker 2: But I can't say. I can't verify what you're saying.
What I can say is that I heard as part
of their not divorce settlement, but you know, they sued
each other when they broke up. Part of that deal
was she got to keep the house that Clint Eastwood
had bought for her husband, half a million dollar house. Yeah,
there's there's some Yeah, there's some story there.
Speaker 3: That was an agreement where I get to screw your
wife life and you get to live in this house. Yeah, okay,
So Sondra Locke plays Lynn Halsey Taylor.
Speaker 1: There's one too many women and your life.
Speaker 3: The one of us can making it right.
Speaker 1: There's one too many women and your love, the one
you say you love. I'm the one you call your wine.
Speaker 2: That's all I have to say.
Speaker 3: Listen, Okay, let me just say this. She's Clint Easwood's
live in girlfriend. So that's how that works. You know
she got the role in many of these movies probably
because she's attached to Clint, and that's Clint.
Speaker 2: That's another outdake. I thought I was going to have
trouble with every which way but lose anyway.
Speaker 3: But she's a package deal with Clint. Yes, okay, and
both of us agree. She has her moments, but she
can't sing all that well, she's really not that pretty,
and she is immensely unlikable, particularly at the end of
this movie.
Speaker 2: The only part I disagree with on is that she
has her moments. Okay, okay, So, because this is not
a bash session with the Shirley guys, do not bash
overly anyway. Let's move on to mister Jeffrey Lewis, because
he is a guy who helps make these movies.
Speaker 3: I told you right before we started recording that he
may be my favorite character in the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And then I said to you, he definitely has the
funniest part in the first movie. Yes, And you said
which part?
Speaker 3: And you told me and we both agreed.
Speaker 2: I showed you my bicep and then you sneezed, and
we both agree that is the funniest part of this movie.
Speaker 3: There are a couple of laugh out loud moments for
every which way would lose. Yeah, that's one of them.
When the Black Widows roll up his sleeve and says,
look at this tattoo.
Speaker 2: What is this? Do you know who this is?
Speaker 3: And Orville Jeffrey Lewis just shoe, just sneezes all over it. Yeah,
so funny.
Speaker 1: You see they an arm?
Speaker 2: No, they tattoo? What these moves? Do you see that?
Speaker 3: He's in like seven or eight different Clinties to their buddies. Yeah, Clint,
Clint brings his friends along. I mean, why wouldn't you, right,
And he of course is the father of Juliette Lewis.
That is a mind blower if you did not know
that before. Juliette Lewis of course plays Beverly DeAngelo's daughter
in Christmas Vacation.
Speaker 2: Well, I was shocked whenever I'm watching the movie because
it's been decades since I seen it, and Beverly DiAngelo
shows up in the middle of the movie as echo
what echo? Oh that was such a lame joke that
they did four or five, four or five times and
still didn't get funny. So Jeffrey Lewis, Juliet Lewis's dad
is romantically involved with Beverly Giangelo, who ends up playing
Juliet Lui's mom later on. It's all very interesting.
Speaker 3: It is interesting. So we were talking before we started recording.
I think that Jeffrey Lewis is like the greatest sidekick
of all time. He's always willing to do whatever it
takes to hang out with Filo. He gets beat up
multiple times, he gets shot, you know, he gets shot
in the second one, and all he wants is to
hold the money and eat con pie and occasionally maybe
get laid on the road.
Speaker 2: With Beverly D'Angelo, I have to think that he was
responsible for the skater style of turning your hat. I
love it.
Speaker 3: It's always sort of cock eyed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so then we run into Beverly D'Angelo. She
plays Echo, What Echo? And how many times are we
gonna do that as big time as we can? All right?
So I had my mind blown a couple of times.
Beverly D'Angelo was an illustrator for Hannah Barbera before she
started acting. What what What what? And then she doesn't
go into acting, she goes into singing. She's the backup
singer for the band that ultimately becomes the band What. Yes,
I was just like what and so so yeah, and
so this is one of her very earliest acting roles.
And she's she's twenty four fox.
Speaker 3: He is all get up majors right always. Yeah, And
they have that really funny moment where he's squeezing the cantalopes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. She was the first set of boobs I
ever saw on the screen. I was hoping you were
going to bring that up. She was the first set
of boobs I ever saw on the big screen. It
will be etched into my memory for Ellen gri yep.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And so she's very young and super attractive, and she
gives the film a little kick, as you know, it's
a road movie. They meet her sort of halfway. She
jumps in with them, but she's cute. And then you've
got Ruth Gordon Asthma. Fantastic You Harry Abes deal in
my oreos.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And she'd been acting for forever. She was
a playwright, she's done everything. Very talented lady.
Speaker 3: I cannot really see her as anything other than Filo's
She's not even Filo's mom. She's Orville's mom, right, But
she's just the grumpy old lady. You know, I.
Speaker 2: Quit in your job letting an old lady die of
frost Fike Anker Sawers. It froze around here in thirty
years down half.
Speaker 3: I got thin blood. Let's talk about John Quaid for
a second.
Speaker 2: Then, who stopped him holding you?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: There spat on you and let yous ain't stop it dry?
So who's high you're gonna nail to the gates of hell?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: John Quaid is the leader of the neo Nazi group
the Black Widows.
Speaker 3: Lord, you made some men out of clay, you made
mine outish.
Speaker 2: He's hilarious, right, Oh fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he got involved in acting. I mean just somebody
came up to him and said, I like your face.
Have you ever thought about acting?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah. And he was in a ton of those old
West TV shows as well, just like Piggy Barnes was.
And he was in the Outlaw Josie Wales as one
of the would be Well he wasn't quite the would
be rapist he was. He was the guy who stopped
the would be rapists in the Outlaw Josey Wales, but
he got his come uppance anyway, that's right.
Speaker 3: I like how he's got the little hole in his
shirt where you can see the black widow on his
temmiy It's great. He is funny in every which way
but lose yeh. But he's extra funny in any which
way you can.
Speaker 2: He takes the he takes the absurd campy to the
next level. So good, so good. We'll pay for that.
You were telling me not to get too political, but
you were telling me that he got pretty political for
a while.
Speaker 3: Okay, So here's a couple of things I know about
John Quaid. Okay, he worked at sort of an engineering
plant and he made parts that are like NASA used
and are still on the moon today. Like he manufactured
these parts and they're they're.
Speaker 2: On the moon right now.
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, just the guy who played Chola, right, yeah, okay,
but he said that he always got these sort of
heavy acting roles, like he always plays the tough guy,
the bad guy, big teddy bear, very lovable. Kids love him.
He's just a lovable type of guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was very anti government though, and we're not political,
but he's one of these guys that's like, the government
should not enforce you to register your vehicle and should
not require anybody to get.
Speaker 2: A driver's license. Just is interesting. There you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we cannot forget We've talked a little bit,
but Manus as Clyde. Yeah, here's the thing I think
the movies get right. Both of these movies get right.
Manus is not the star of the movie. Clint is
the star of the movie. Right, movies with monkeys or
orangu tangs or chimps, they tend to make that the star,
and it's all weighed on an animal who can or
can't act.
Speaker 2: And that's it, right.
Speaker 3: He's a sidekick. Yeah, he's comedy relief and he's funny
as crap.
Speaker 2: I loved Clint e Swot's take on it because they
were talking to him about the difficulty of working with
kids and animals, and he's like, he was the most
natural actor that I've ever worked with. Now, we had
to get it right on the first take because he'd
get bored pretty quick. Yeah, and he said, but if
you know, people talk about him stealing the show, Well,
I'm a producer on the show. So if he steals
the show and it's a success, great.
Speaker 3: Exactly right. Yeah, there's a funny scene with Manis and
Clint Eastwood, and you can actually see it on screen. Okay,
during the filming of Every which Way but Loose. They're
driving in a truck and you can tell he starts
to get a little physical with Clint. Okay, he starts
to kind of headlock.
Speaker 2: Him a little bit, uh huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Clint, I mean cameras are rolling. Like you said,
he's a producer. Sometimes you just kind of kind of
go with it. Yeah, and you could tell the strength
of this animal is hurting Clint a little bit, and
he's trying to work his way through the scene. The
trainers had to talk on the CB to calm him
down a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, gotcha, because they're strong, those animals. Oh my gosh,
rip your arms off, oh man. I mentioned before one
of the Black Widows was the Union general in The Outlaw,
Jose Wales. That actor's name was Bill McKinney. He's another
guy who's just been in a ton of stuff and
is very was very good at being both the tough
guy as well as the funny guy. Okay, but other
movies that he's been in where he's been those various types,
First Blood, Back to the Future three, Yeah, and the
Green Mile. And then to throw back what you mentioned earlier,
a very memorable part that he played was in the
movie Deliverance, where he played one of the two hillbillies
who Rapedd Bady, the one who says squeal like a pig. Yeah,
same guy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, hey, he's carved out a great living for himself.
Speaker 2: Bang and ned baby day that will live an infa me.
I just want to bring this up.
Speaker 3: Both of these movies are road movies, uh huh, And
so it's kind of fun to you're with this ragtag
group of guys. They're being chased by a ragtag group.
Speaker 2: Of guys, and it just so happens.
Speaker 3: I've told you I don't tend to visit movie locations
very often, but coincidentally, I've been to both Georgetown, Colorado,
huh A million times. Yeah, and I've been to Jackson
Hawayoming Yeah. And so every time I see these scenes,
I'm like, I was there.
Speaker 2: You know. It's funny because you were in San Diego
a month ago. Whenever I was watching these movies and
I was like, oh, I bet there's a place nearby.
I couldn't find any place nearby because almost all the
scenes were shot in California, Right, except those two scenes
that you're talking.
Speaker 3: About right before I talk about the scene that I
really dislike in this movie. Okay, I want to talk
There are some really funny moments in Every Which Way
but Lose. Okay, So I want to talk to you
about the introduction of Clyde. Now, I don't remember what
it was like, you know, way back when before the
movie came out, like how much people really knew about
that or whatever. Right, but the very beginning of Every
Which Way but Loose, Clint's character Philobedo goes into like
a barn and he's like Clyde Clyde, and he gets
tackled by Clyde.
Speaker 2: It's like Cato for Peter Sellers. It is right, And I.
Speaker 3: Remember as a kid, I thought that was hilarious because
Clinton speak strong guy. And then this oranging team just
damn just tackles him, takes him out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the end of the fight, Clint Eastwood
still has the beer in his hand and gives it
to Clyde. Is like the you win, here's your prize,
bears to you. Clyde beers to you. I mentioned to
you today, I texted you. I'm like I'm watching an interview,
like a legitimate interview of Clint Eastwood about this movie,
and he is drinking a glass of beer while he's.
Speaker 3: Doing the because why not.
Speaker 2: It's a different time, baby, it is.
Speaker 3: It is. Okay, So I told you when when Clyde
is driving the steamroller. Yes, as a kid, top notch comedy,
not comedy.
Speaker 2: Right there, right, comedy gold for an eight year old.
Speaker 3: Okay, When Orville and Filo get confronted by the Black
widows and Orville sneezes on his bicepp, cracks me up,
and then they proceed to get in a fight. Filo
goes outside and the fight is on, and Orvile's just
eating his pecan pie. She's like, don't you think you
need to go out and help him.
Speaker 2: He's like no, no, he's all right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: And then of course Ma shooting the bikes with the shotgun,
funniest crape. And then of course Echo and the canalobes.
So there were some funny moments, right, even the beginning
scene where he gets in a fight with a guy
for taking his peanuts at the bar.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's the that's the sheriff. That's like trailing
him around, right.
Speaker 3: That's the sheriff that's trailing him around, right, but he's
we're Max in the.
Speaker 2: Face, yes, Max in the face with the fish. And
then some what we would probably say are some racist
moments for his sidekick where he's making he's making his sidekick,
who's an African American do all of the work digging
the hole. He's doing the hike, he's doing it all.
Speaker 3: All of this was over or Clint taking a little
more than his fair share of free peanuts and he
chases him across the country and gets smacked in the face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's talk about.
Speaker 3: The scene that I think we both agree is the
worst scene in the movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, is it when Sandra Locke is singing.
Speaker 3: No that's a second way so okay, it's the moment
at the end when Sondra Locke loses her ever loved mind.
Speaker 2: When she So I texted you while I was watching
any which way you can, Yeah, because I noted that
their way of having Filo Beto punched the camera like
you're you're the POV of the guy getting punched. Yes,
and also with William Smith, same thing. I was like
they figured out what they messed up in the first
movie because that scene, I mean, she's like spitting and snotty,
swing her teeth and just hitting you as the camera
and it is just it's not good. It is so
off putting. It's weird.
Speaker 3: He's chased her all the way across the county. We'll
get into our final judgment next episode, right, He's chased
her all the way because he thinks there's a chance
for them to have a relationship, and then she just
blasts him with this vitriol and just hatred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been scammed spoiler alert. She's been scamming him
the whole freaking time, stealing his money. And I mean,
Sondra Locke, whenever she got interviewed for any which way
you can, she was like, I can't believe they put
me back in the whose surprise, My character was such
a pizza crap. I don't know how, but they they
wrote it out and they did a decent job of,
you know, making her more sympathetic. And she said, I
just pretend that she had a good round of therapy
in between the last movie and this movie and its
improved as a person.
Speaker 3: Well that works better in the second movie, or sure,
are you ready to talk about the second movie.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about any which way you can.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that next week. Guys, thank you for
joining us for this week. That's enough of every which
way but loose. Come back next week we talk about
any which way you can. The sequel, Oh boy, push
me way too far.
Speaker 2: I got up to ask him why.
Speaker 1: Then he functs me in