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Speaker 1: Some people like dogs, some people like rats.

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Speaker 4: Some people like birds, but I like cats.

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Speaker 1: I love not domestic short hair cap. I love not

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Speaker 6: Some people like gr zoom, some.

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Speaker 7: People like snakes, some people buy horses, but I like cats.

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Speaker 8: Love not domestic short hair. I love not domestic short hair.

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Speaker 4: Cap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Some people like dogs, some people like rats, some people

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lack birds, but.

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Speaker 1: I like cats. The Mastic shorter hair.

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Speaker 1: I love my domestice short hair.

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Speaker 1: Love Madosta shorter hair.

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Speaker 1: I love my domestic short hair.

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Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, that is domestic short hair. Bye the turbocats.

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Welcome everybody. We have entered our number two New Maarrow

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dose of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from

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the studios of wm NH ninety five point three FM

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and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream

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listening live today is Saturday, March seven, twenty twenty six.

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Jenny is here, of course at the news table. And

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the reason that we played some turbocats they are not

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on the show with us today, but I thought it

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appropriate because we have joining us in studio. We have

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Star and Taylor from pers and Pores. Welcome, Hello, thanks

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for having us. Absolutely absolutely. Now, well all right let's

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start here and then you know, you did bring us

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a couple of gift bags which we're we're going to

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show for the video of viewers. But what is person Pores?

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Speaker 13: Person Pores is a cat cafe. There's cat cafes are

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a cafe half and then there's a sally way that

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you go inside and the other half is where you

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get to hang out with all the cats. Oh okay,

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so and they're all adoptable cats.

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Speaker 12: Really, yeah, you.

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Speaker 13: Don't want to bring your own cats there?

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Speaker 12: Okay, that's interesting. I wondered about that part. Okay, so

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the idea, So, so the cats are adoptable, so it

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kind of gives you a chance to go and uh

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almost like like you know, in the mall, for example,

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they have what is it. I forget the name of

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the place, but yeah, the pet store there where you

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can go and you know, they have dogs and they

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have cats and whatnot. But but the only way you

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get to actually hang out with the cats is if

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you go inside one of the cubicles or whatever. I

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don't know. It's not a cage technically, but but so

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but at person port, so you get to actually hang

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out with the cats.

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Speaker 13: And it's a free room, like the cats hang out

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in that area, okay, and they can come sit on

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your lap, hang out, drink a coffee. Yeah, they shouldn't

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drink the coffee.

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Speaker 12: Probably not. Yeah, I don't know. Can you give cats caffeine?

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You probably don't know. Probably not. Okay, No, that makes sense.

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That makes sense. Yeah, because I like the idea of

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being able to go into a room and you know,

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maybe they'll come over to you and sit on you.

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You know, because you know, we like to think that

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we choose them, but in truth, they choose us, right,

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you know, cats have a way of choosing their their humans.

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So oh well, let's do this before we go any further.

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So I'm gonna put the camera back on me. So

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for those of you watching it, is a radio show

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first and foremost. But if you are watching the video,

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so they brought us these lovely gift bags. Let's see

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he's got the person pores. Oh wow candles. Mmmm, those

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are nice. So you've got so you sell these at

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person poors. I assume yes.

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Speaker 14: We partnered with Candle Tree, soy candle okay, and conquered.

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It's on Main Street and conquered.

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Speaker 12: Oh, very nice.

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Speaker 14: The owner's name is Ross and he's he loves but

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he does.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: This month our sense are New Hampshire themed and it's

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for maple months. So we got New Hampshire maple syrup.

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we got white birch for the National the State Tree.

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Speaker 12: Got some citrus perfection sweet orange handcrafted soap. That's very cool.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so Chrissy at the soapre off Main and conquered

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New Hampshire. She made those two and she thought of

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all the names. She's very creative. She loves what she does.

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Speaker 12: Oh, very cool, very cool. Yeah, thank you for bringing those.

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Oh there's a magnet two looks like for very cool.

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Speaker 15: We love all things kitty.

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Speaker 12: We're both Yeah, we love we love cats. Yeah, absolutely,

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absolutely wonderful, Thank you so much. So, so, what's what's

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the current status of person pores in Manchester?

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Speaker 14: So right now we're looking for a building. Okay, it's

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been kind of hard for us because a lot of

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the kind of within our budget isn't like compatible for

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a cafe. Okay, it's not really the cats they're turning

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us down. We thought our number one like issue would

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be people are like, oh, we don't want cats in

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our location, right, but it's just they don't want like

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the dishwashers set up and all the.

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Speaker 12: Interesting Yeah.

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Speaker 14: So if we're trying to find like the perfect building.

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Speaker 12: For us, we're trying to find the perfect had to

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do it, had to do it? Are you so, are

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you committed to being in Manchester or are you maybe

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looking at, you know, outside of Manchester.

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Speaker 14: We really want to do Conquered, New Hampshire. Oh, no kidding, Okay, yeah,

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just because it's the state capitol and their Chamber of

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Commerce is like awesome. Yeah, I don't know. Conquered seems

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like the location for us, and it's closer to us, okay.

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For her, Manchester would be like an hour drive.

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Speaker 12: From her house, no kidding, okay, yeah, yeah, gotcha, gotcha.

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outside of because I just wonder if you know, like

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maybe outside of conquered around you know, sort of conquered adjacent. Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, we just extended our search like two weeks ago. Okay,

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we're like, hey, we should probably you know, extend the

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search because slim pickings.

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Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, Now is is person por is? Is it

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a franchise or what is it? Is it your own things?

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Speaker 14: Okay, we created our own LC August of last year.

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Speaker 12: Oh excellent, excellent. Yeah yeah, I wasn't sure if it

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was like a like a franchise and you and you

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were buying a location and you just needed somewhere to

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put it or something like that. But so so this

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Speaker 14: Started from the ground.

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Speaker 12: Oh that's fantastic. Excellent. No, good for you. No, we

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love talking entrepreneurs and so what uh whose idea was it?

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Speaker 16: It was?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so kind of like what inspired us is We

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both went on vacation in Hawaii. Oddly enough, different times.

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cat cafe. I went on vacation. I saw it too,

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like that would be awesome to do a cat cafe.

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we gotta do this, Like, yeah, I want to do this.

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I want to wake up every day to be like

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inspired by my work and help like orphaned cats like

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to feel good about us, like this is our time.

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Speaker 12: So, so there are other cat cafes that you've like,

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like have you have you traveled around and seen a

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lot of different ones and.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I've seen about like ten fifteen Okay, and follow

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other cat cafes. Yeah, we're trying to see all of them, honestly, Yeah,

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and make some new ones.

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Speaker 12: Are they all the the ones that you've been to? Are?

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variations and business models or I'm really curious, like what

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you know if they all kind of operate in a

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similar fashion or if some of them are unique.

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Speaker 14: Or yeah, So for the typical, like for the listeners

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to understand what a cat cafe is for the typical

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cat cafe. Patrons come in and they pay a nominal

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amount to go into the cat cafe and into the

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cat lounge where adoptable cats are and the cats are

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free roaming, cage free. It allows them to see the

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cats in their natural environment, almost in like a homey experience,

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so that they can learn the cat's personalities. And then

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you can get food and beverage and that just helps

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people stay longer and you feel more comfortable. So we're

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planning on picking up like that business model. Okay, and

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a lot of people also have a problem with paying

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the amount amount of need to go into the cat lounge,

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but honestly, that money goes towards like rent, the cat

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care things like that. So a lot of people are like, oh,

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why do we have to pay to go see the cats,

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to take care of everything to do with them. We're

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helping the shelters too by helping them be fed the

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cat litter, so it's giving the shelters a break as well.

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team up with the shelters and okay, okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 13: There's also like other types that's more what we're going for,

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like set of wise okay, two separate areas. There is

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some where they just bring the food in and like

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from a commercial kitchen and sell it there, and then

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they don't really have like a sitting area and you

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just go hang out with the cats. I went in

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one in Florida that was weird. It was kind of

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cool though. It was literally just a straight up cat room. Yeah,

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they just major drinks and brought it out to you,

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Speaker 14: Go over in there.

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Speaker 12: Oh interesting.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, So we kind of wanted to have the cafe

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so we have multiple like revenue streams and can offer

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people food and drink while they're there.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: We're also going to do events there like yoga, trivia

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and I have bandsing there.

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Speaker 17: Cool.

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Speaker 12: You'll have to have the turbocasts that be pretty sweet.

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I'm curious too, as you've gone around and you've looked

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at these different cat cafes, have you seen anything that

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where you kind of thought, wow, they're doing something really

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strange here. That's not something we would do or I

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don't see how that. I don't see how what they're

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doing is going to work long term. You see anything

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like strange that where you go? Really, I haven't.

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Speaker 13: Well, I was looking up other ones. There was one

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in Main. I'm not sure if they're still open. It

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was temporary closed and they have like a dispensary style

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which is really interesting. It's only for eighteen and up.

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Speaker 12: That's different.

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Speaker 13: But I don't think they actually have like the dispensary things.

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Speaker 12: Oh.

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Speaker 13: I think it's just like the style of it. It's

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more for cats. Oh okay, but it's in Main, so yeah,

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it's a little different.

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Speaker 12: Oh that's interesting, kind of a weird question.

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Speaker 15: But how do you keep the cats from getting out there?

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Speaker 12: That's a great question. Yeah.

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Speaker 13: We will have like a sallly way, which is like

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a hallway with a door on each side.

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Speaker 12: Okay, and there's.

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Speaker 13: Only like one entrance for people to go in.

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and then make sure there's no cats near you, like

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ideally would there be on premises at any like, you

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the shelters rules too, kind of how we're going to

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create agreement with them. Okay, right now we're kind of

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in talks with Pope, Memorial, SPCA, and Conquered and we're

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and obviously they're nonprofit, so there's multiple people they got

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because ultimately it's their cats. We're just fostering them, right, So, yeah,

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terms that make sense.

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Speaker 12: For yeah, both of us. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

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either of you have you done like you know, if

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or I'm curious if it like prior professional experience involving

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cats or do you or do you just love cats?

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Speaker 13: My neighbor that lived down the street, they had like.

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moms like stop feeding them.

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barn cats.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, loved it.

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Speaker 13: Hung out with them, volunteer with animals. Were actually getting

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ready to start volunteering at.

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Speaker 12: The Pope Memorial as well, Okay.

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Speaker 13: Just mostly out of fun because we both love hanging

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out with animals. Well, I absolutely love volunteering. I've been

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Speaker 12: Yeah, good for you good. Good? What about you star?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, not so much experience professionally, Taylor and I don't

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have experience, like professionally dealing with animals, but we've grown

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up around them. We've always loved animals growing up. I

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always wanted to be a vet. I don't really know

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what happened with that, you know, you know, life happened

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and I didn't become a vet. Like you know, this

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is a way to incorporate animals and our dreams, you know,

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into our business.

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Speaker 12: What's something that people don't know about about cats that

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that you think would surprise them.

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Speaker 14: That's a good question.

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Speaker 13: I actually was recently talking about this that cats like purring,

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like the vibration from it actually can help heal bones,

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like you been in people. I don't know how much

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research they have them like that part, but it actually

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helps them heal faster and like do better. So I

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have a cat at home that hurt himself and I'm

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just like, oh, I need to get you to per

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motivational speaking to this cat. He is doing better. Okay, Okay,

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maybe it worked.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe. You know, we talked to about

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the shelters, Like, how big of a problem is that?

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I bet it's I bet it's a bigger problem than

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people realize. Like how many cats end up in shelters?

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Speaker 14: Not so much in New Hampshire. New Hampshire really outsources

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it from places like Florida. Florida has like a kitten

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season all year round. Spring is like the kitten season. Obviously,

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our springtime is very short in New Hampshire. So yeah,

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so they usually take them from kill shelters and places

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in Florida.

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Speaker 12: That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so we really want to partner with a place

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that will take them from kill shelters to kind of

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help them get off the youth in Asia.

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Speaker 12: Lists mm hmmm, hmm oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, I

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had no idea. No, that's interesting. That's interesting. And then

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what's kind of the I mean, once, once you find

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a place and you're open and everything, is there a

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long term plan to open? Like like do you like thinking,

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you know, five ten years down the road? I mean,

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do you want to have multiple locations?

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Speaker 14: We want a franchise for sure.

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Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, no, that's great. And do you have investors?

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you're just doing this. Wow. Good for that yet not yet.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm not sure about taking on investors because a

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lot of the times you got to give up a

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percentage of your company, of course, and we kind of

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want full creative control and kind of what we do. Yeah,

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if tough times happen, we can get some angel investors

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and stuff, but as of now, I think Taylor and

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I just want to be like, you know, the leaders

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of this.

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Speaker 12: No, that's great, full control.

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Speaker 13: It's a lot easier talking to one person than trying

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to convince a whole group to do the same thing.

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, yeah, no, that's interesting. And how about like,

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are your families supportive of this? Very good? Good?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, my family. You know, the last seven years have

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worked in the state prison, which my family was not

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very happy. Oh no, kidding that I worked there. And

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now that I'm like, oh, now I'm working with cats

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and doing my dream because they've always known I want

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to be a veterinarian work with animals, like that's you know,

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my personality type. And they're like, good for you for finally, like, yeah,

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you know, stretching your wings out and doing what you want.

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Speaker 12: No, that's great. Yeah, you worked at the prison, at

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the state prison.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I still work as a.

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Speaker 12: Prison Oh you do do you what do you do there?

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Speaker 14: I'm an officer there.

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Speaker 12: Oh no kidding? Yeah, oh wow.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so different different career field, right right.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, you've been there seven years?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, seven years.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. I had a good friend who did that job,

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who I think lasted maybe a year and he just

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couldn't just couldn't hack it. Yeah, because it's you.

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Speaker 14: Know, yeah, it's hard, right, you know, not the best

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place to be in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 12: Just saying, well it could be worse. You could be

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on you know, behind bars and the.

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Speaker 14: Exactly. I'm not complaining.

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Speaker 12: How about how about you? Taylor?

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Speaker 13: So I've worked a lot of like cafes, I've worked

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in restaurants.

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Speaker 12: Good experience for what you're doing.

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Speaker 13: And I recently last year just bought a coffeehouse at

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the Deerfield Fair.

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Speaker 15: I love it.

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Speaker 13: The guy that I bought it from, he's basically like

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a mentor to me.

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Speaker 12: It was great.

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Speaker 13: We also have cats a nursing home that I work at, Okay,

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and like their amazing residents love them. I'll actually like

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carry them around on the floor with me. I'm not

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supposed to have them on my carts. Was like, oh,

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everybody either hanging out with me.

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Speaker 14: Taylor and I actually worked there together and that was

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the highlight of our day. We'd go up the chairs

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and be like, oh, did you see one of the

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cat's names was Skeeter? Did you see Skeeter today? And

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we just like talk about it day Yea.

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with them. It was like the best thing in the

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whole world. And then there's another cat there, she's still there,

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name of Saber. She likes to be spun around on

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the floor, so you sit there, you keep pedner, she

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like goes in a circle. Absolutely love it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Taylor also has a degree in culinary so this will.

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Speaker 12: Actually yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 13: And then my family thinks that I'm very much like

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a restaurant type of person. I've worked in hospitality a lot,

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like it goes together, but I absolutely am there for

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the animals. Yeah yeah, because I just there's so much fun, Yeah,

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so much personality.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely. Absolutely. What's a misconception that that people have about

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cats that you want to knock down today while.

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Speaker 14: You're here, Well, cats are cat cafes. There's two different things.

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So the cats, A lot of people are like, I

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hate cats, and yeah, it seems like a lot like by.

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Speaker 12: The way, you never hear anyone just say, oh I

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don't like cats. They they'll tell you that I hate cats.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, they're so avid about it. Ye yeah, your cat

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ever do to you? It's weird, right, Yeah, I mean

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they all have their different personality types, and they're not

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as like affectionate as like dogs.

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Speaker 12: They're well, they're not as obedient, they're not as expressive.

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That's how I think of it.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, very Oh yeah affectionate cat.

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Speaker 14: Mine will literally like just sleep on my face all night.

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Speaker 12: The cat Jenny and I have is very affectionate.

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Speaker 14: Yeah yeah. But it seems like a lot of the

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male population too. I don't know if it's like a

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like a tough guy thing like cats, like you know,

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this little cute, fluffy thing like I can't show my

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soft side. But like it'd be nice to see a

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lot more males be like, oh, I love kitty cats.

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You know, I'll open up because you can see most

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of them they like them, but they're just trying to

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be like a right hats Like what a little furry

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thing do to you.

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Speaker 12: Right right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 14: And then cat cafes, there's a misconception people people think

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it's going to be dirty, like the cats are separate

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from the food prep the cafe area.

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Speaker 12: And they have to be legally right exactly.

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Speaker 14: Exactly, and like at the same time, it's like do

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you not eat around your cats at home too?

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Speaker 12: Like you know, like good, good point.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's just an interesting thought. Like we've seen a

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lot of things on social media. People are like that

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that's disgusting.

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Speaker 9: That.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's like do your research on it, and it's

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will keep it clean, we promise.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. And if somebody doesn't want to go, nobody's forcing. Yeah,

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just don't come right right exactly.

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Speaker 13: They get forced they can go sit in the cafe

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while everyone hangs out with the cats.

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Speaker 12: Okay, m h, there you go, there you go. So,

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you know, if people want to want to learn more

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and keep up with what you're doing as you're searching

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for a place and whatnot, you know, we might have

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listeners who have ideas and suggestions or maybe they just

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want to help in some way. Where should they go online?

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Where's the best place for people to go online to

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keep up with with this whole project.

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we also have like a link tree which has like

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all of our social media on there, and I believe

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our website.

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Speaker 14: Is on there as well.

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Speaker 14: Our website's ww dot person, porscatcafe dot com okay, and

476
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,759
we have a contact us link and it's pretty straightforward.

477
00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:24,200
Put your information in and put any comment you want

478
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,000
and it goes straight to us. We love suggestions, We

479
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:31,200
love talking with our customers. Usually like weekly, we get

480
00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:34,839
people just like rooting for us, like with enthusiasm, so

481
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,839
that makes us happy. You know, somebody took the time

482
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another day just to log in and you know give

483
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us a little pep talk like that's.

484
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Speaker 12: Awesome, Oh that's really cool.

485
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, And we're just very transparent, So follow us on

486
00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:48,519
social media all the way through all of our collaborations

487
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,119
with local businesses, all of the steps like even finding

488
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,039
our real estate agent. We're very very open. I think

489
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:58,480
that's important for businesses to be pretty transparent, and like

490
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:00,880
we want to build a community with people as well,

491
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,359
so like yeah, yeah, the more followers, the more conversations

492
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,400
we can have like it could be their business too.

493
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,160
We're very open to like doing the best for our

494
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customers and the animals.

495
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's amazing.

496
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,039
Speaker 13: We actually use social media to fire find our real

497
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,079
estate agent too, like a bunch of people were sending

498
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,240
us so many Oh great, that was really helpful.

499
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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that's that's excellent. That's excellent.

500
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Speaker 14: Shout out to Sarah Lang. You're awesome.

501
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 12: Is that your real estate?

502
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 9: Yeah?

503
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 12: Oh, very good, very good. Well listen, I thank you

504
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,839
both for coming in today. This is this is wonderful.

505
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,759
We'll have to have you on again in the future

506
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:37,559
because once you know, once you've got a place, you know,

507
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:40,200
we definitely want to have you back. And uh, you know,

508
00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:42,920
Jenny and I we both love cats, and so we're

509
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,400
very uh we're very encouraged to see what you're doing.

510
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,000
I know, when you're when you're ready and you're up

511
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:48,960
and running, and you know, she's excited to go, so

512
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,039
definitely I want to see how it all turns out too.

513
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,640
So so good luck to you both of course. Uh,

514
00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:57,440
Star and Taylor appreciate you coming in.

515
00:25:57,759 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 14: Thank you, thanks for having us.

516
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 12: All right, you got it, and I've think we should

517
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,279
close out the segment with We'll play another turbook at song.

518
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,240
This one is called My Senior Lady and it's all

519
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:09,079
about his His senior Lady.

520
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:26,799
Speaker 9: Cat heerm yah still so sweet.

521
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:40,319
Speaker 18: An extra special tree, My senior Lady cap, My senior

522
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,039
Lady cap.

523
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,039
Speaker 9: Still looks like a.

524
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Speaker 18: Cow an old odermmuaw my senior Lady, My senior lady

525
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:09,039
can my dimestic short.

526
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:16,799
Speaker 1: Hair with a little bit of gray, My.

527
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Speaker 9: Senior Lady, My senior lady can my favorite cow yow.

528
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Speaker 18: My high birth hyroy yow, my senior Lady can my

529
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senior lady cap, my senior lady can my senior lady can.

530
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Speaker 7: So so.

531
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: No ties so small.

532
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:41,319
Speaker 1: Because of left don't tripper.

533
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Speaker 4: Have a lot? I do find my life sweet see

534
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,920
me left time.

535
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 6: In the shadows where the flight wo a.

536
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: Me chasing whispers or a pullman.

537
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: You do buy me a bet? I go way the talking.

538
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,119
Speaker 6: You don't understand how it feels being the don of

539
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:19,880
the shin.

540
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:39,359
Speaker 4: The shot to trump, the storm great, the heart.

541
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,319
Speaker 11: Crumbling foundation, the friendship built, a life.

542
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,759
Speaker 4: That shine, story is shine.

543
00:29:53,720 --> 00:30:02,119
Speaker 11: And then in the shadow those with a fly who

544
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,279
find me chasing whispers from men.

545
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 4: To find me a baby. I can't wait to smoking.

546
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Speaker 11: You don't understand how it feels. The dire shot shows.

547
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 12: Let that is left out. The band is awaiting Abigail

548
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,039
and featuring a little bit of their music because they

549
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:40,559
are a great band from Texas and they are playing

550
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,960
tonight in Massachusetts at the Rocking Women of Metal with

551
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,640
Under the Horizon, Sex Coffee and Sepsis are all going

552
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,480
to be there. Great bands. While sex Coffee I've never

553
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,200
seen before, never heard before, but looking forward to checking

554
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,000
them out, and of course Sepsis our listeners are very

555
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:02,400
familiar with from over the years. And Uh awaiting Abigail,

556
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:04,319
great band from Texas, Selby in the area, and of

557
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,680
course Under the Horizon. It was Mike Uh the band

558
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,799
dad if you will, from Under the Horizon who text

559
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,200
messaged me and said, hey, awaiting Abigail wants to know

560
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,799
if you want to come to this show, they'll put

561
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:15,599
you on the guest list.

562
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:16,119
Speaker 15: Jenny.

563
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,039
Speaker 12: Of course, Jenny unfortunately cannot go with me tonight.

564
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:25,759
Speaker 15: We're so not happy from hell. Yes, and the tonight

565
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,359
is that's going with it is really bad. Yeah, and

566
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:32,480
unfortunately the going to see live bands would probably make

567
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:33,960
it horrifically worse.

568
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,119
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, but uh yeah Rock and Women of Metal

569
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,279
tonight at the Magic Room in Norwood, mass a venue

570
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,279
that I have not been to, but uh I know

571
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,720
me neither. Six oh yes, doors at six shows at eleven.

572
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:51,880
I'm sorry, seven shows seven to eleven.

573
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 15: Such an awesome lineup. It really is an awesome lineup. Yeah,

574
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,400
absolutely in all hard working bands yep, yep, and all

575
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,640
bands that have been on the show multiple times except

576
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,359
for Sex Coffee.

577
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:04,559
Speaker 9: Again.

578
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 15: You're going to check them out tonight, so maybe we'll

579
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:07,039
have them on in the future.

580
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,799
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, absolutely they are.

581
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,279
Speaker 15: They are from Providence, so oh well, funny they sent

582
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,400
me this one because I was reading this one earlier.

583
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:17,799
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, we have a little more music industry news.

584
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,359
We've got a little bit of time. Of course, if

585
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,079
you are listening live on Saturday, I should mention coming

586
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,960
up in the third hour Loud George, another great band

587
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,519
from the UK. We had so many great bands from there.

588
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,200
They are going to be with us on the program

589
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,359
via Microsoft teams, so looking forward to speaking with them.

590
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,480
But this is from Digitalmusicnews dot com and I did

591
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:44,200
not know that this was going on, but apparently it's

592
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,000
been going on for a while. It says here Marathon

593
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,799
Chance the Rapper versus Pat the Manager. Dispute officially heads

594
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:57,000
to trial. Pat says he personally lost three hundred and

595
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:03,240
fifty thousand dollars plus running Chance the Rappers merch operation.

596
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,400
And it's funny too, because we were talking earlier about

597
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,719
how artists make their money, how artists make their money

598
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,599
on merch because touring, you know, most of that money

599
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,239
goes to you know, Live Nation and whomever else. Right,

600
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,320
they suck all that.

601
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 15: Half and put all the diesel in the trucks, which

602
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,639
is probably really expensive these days.

603
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Speaker 12: Touring is very cost prohibital. Oh seriously, in many ways,

604
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,760
a lot of a lot of artists.

605
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Speaker 15: Wells, buses a lot to it. You got to feed everybody.

606
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Speaker 12: It's all very hard. So yeah, you got to make

607
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,239
that money on merch T shirts and you know T

608
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,320
shirts of course the number one merch item it shows.

609
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Speaker 11: Uh.

610
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Speaker 12: But uh, but apparently something has gone wrong between Chance

611
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,079
the Rapper and Pat the now ex manager, So it

612
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,840
says here again. This is from Digital musicnews dot com, which, again,

613
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,079
as I mentioned earlier, a great website for music industry news.

614
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,239
If you're interested in this. Uh, the USA versus Live

615
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,280
Nation antitrust trial isn't the only music real music world

616
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,800
legal battle that's unfolding now. Chance the Rapper and Pat

617
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:06,320
the manager or ex manager have taken their long running

618
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,639
contract dispute to the courtroom. It says here we've been

619
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covering the ugly clash of former friends and business partners.

620
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:19,119
Chance was like a brother to me, in manager Pat

621
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:23,960
Cochrane's Pat Corkran's own words, for over half a decade,

622
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:27,760
but the showdown, technically consisting of a multi million dollar

623
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:33,760
commission complaint from Corkoran and a distinct unjust enrichment action

624
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:40,840
from Chance, just recently headed to trial in Chicago. Unsurprisingly, then, Corkran,

625
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:45,199
during a lengthy direct examination, discussed more than a few

626
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,119
components of his and Chances professional relationship. With the benefit

627
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:53,239
of hindsight and objectivity, we can see the association, though

628
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,480
fruitful at the outset, was seemingly destined to deteriorate in

629
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:02,760
any event, says as Corkoran explained on the stand, it

630
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,119
was his parents and members of Chances family, not the grown,

631
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,880
albeit young and inexperienced men behind the deal, who'd initially

632
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:15,880
sorted the loosely defined details of the manager client arrangement.

633
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,199
Now right off the bat, before we go any further,

634
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,320
when when you see loosely defined details of a manager

635
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,159
client arrangement, that you know there's going to be trouble

636
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:31,559
because everything has to be very clear and specific and

637
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:34,679
written out, and entertainment lawyers.

638
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:36,599
Speaker 15: Beauty talk about that.

639
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 12: You've heard who Judgey? Oh well, sure, yes, not in

640
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,320
the contract. It's not there. That's right, that's right, it

641
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,880
says here. Thrust into commercial prominence following the release of

642
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,119
Acid Rap, Chance opened for high profile acts, including mac Miller,

643
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:58,480
all while Corkoran assumed sweeping responsibilities and struggled to personally

644
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,880
cover day to day expense, as the manager said before

645
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:08,719
the jury. Concerningly, Corkoran also described Chance's alleged unwillingness to

646
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,960
sign agreements of any kind. Quote he didn't want to

647
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:16,079
sign or have, you know, a written agreement with anybody unquote,

648
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,559
and reiterated that the artist's music wasn't being monetized whatsoever.

649
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:27,039
Quote there wasn't even music being commercialized unquote, even as

650
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,760
he was performing on the same stage as Macklemore and others.

651
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:35,920
So that's a pretty shoddy business here. The Chance, the

652
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:40,239
rapper business is not so much. And you know why

653
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,199
Corkoran would want anything to do with anybody who doesn't

654
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,039
even want to sign anything. A written agreement of any

655
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:47,800
kind is bizarre and.

656
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 15: Not smart by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, I

657
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,280
don't care if you're best of friends, bosom buddies that

658
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,679
grew up ever since you were in typeies together from

659
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,800
being little. Put it in writing. Put it in a contract.

660
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:02,960
Make it clear. Yes, what's your expectation, what you're gonna do,

661
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:06,800
what you're gonna get. If it's not there, it doesn't exist.

662
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,360
I don't care you shake a hand on it. I

663
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,239
don't care whatever that is that's not gonna hold up

664
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:16,599
when it comes down to it. This money involved friends

665
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,079
are no friends, married or not married. Put it in

666
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:23,199
writing because it's just better for both of you. There's

667
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,880
no question of expectations. It's clear, they're defined, and if

668
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,599
somebody doesn't kept it, keep up their end. You have

669
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:33,239
a way of recourse and you're not just out of everything.

670
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:37,960
And especially you know, bands sometimes I think can fall

671
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,000
victim of things like this because you have somebody that

672
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:42,199
gets excited about your music and they want they want

673
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,639
to quote unquote help you, and it sounds great up front,

674
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,559
but they actually don't have the wherewithal to bring it

675
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,159
to fruition to make it real for you, and then

676
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:57,360
you're in this nasty, horrible situation. So you're better off

677
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,559
always putting everything in writing and making it clear.

678
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, absolutely Again. This is from Digital Musicnews dot com.

679
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,480
It says on the label side, the alleged aversion to

680
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,039
signed and sealed contracts has not changed. Chance self released

681
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,800
last year's star Line that was apparently that's his newest album.

682
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,360
Building on this overview, Corcoran proceeded to explore how he'd

683
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,280
stepped well outside the confines of traditional managerial duties to

684
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,440
develop a hands on merch operation and later a radio

685
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,159
promotion strategy, and between manufacturing the actual merch renting warehouse space,

686
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,559
expanding the team amid an influx of orders and more,

687
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,400
he was quote losing his shirt on running the merchandise

688
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,639
operation unquote as it was hemorrhaging money. Fans placed nearly

689
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,719
ten thousand orders in the month after Chance in twenty seventeen,

690
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,960
took home a trio of Grammys. Per Corkoran, he.

691
00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 15: Tried to do too much for one person. This probably, yeah,

692
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,280
that happens, and you try to do that because you

693
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,639
think you're gonna save money, and you don't because it's

694
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:06,079
just not possible to keep up.

695
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 12: And you try to do that because you think it's

696
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,639
all gonna pay off, right, because here you've got, you know.

697
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,639
Speaker 15: Like running a radio campaign. That's a lot of work,

698
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,760
it is, that's.

699
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 12: Not I would know, Yeah, you would know. I watch

700
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:17,679
you do it a lot.

701
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,159
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a lot of work and a lot of

702
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,400
follow up and a lot. Right, there's a lot to

703
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:26,599
it just doing that. Plus he's trying to set the venues.

704
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,239
Plus he's trying to make the T shirts and who's

705
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,679
printing them and where's the design coming from. That's too much.

706
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,320
That's crazy to try and do that all in one. Yeah,

707
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,519
you know, you're better off hire and the pros to

708
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,079
do what you need them to do and then bringing

709
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:41,760
it in. You're gonna spend less money in the long run, right, Right.

710
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,119
It sounds to me like they set them they set

711
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:46,440
themselves up for failure.

712
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:50,079
Speaker 12: Corkoran said, quote, I think it was like three hundred

713
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:54,000
and fifty four thousand dollars was the loss that I

714
00:40:54,159 --> 00:41:01,199
took on operating the Chance Merchandise operation unquote. Needless to say,

715
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,519
revenue sharing agreement or not, this alleged loss wouldn't prove

716
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:09,400
an encouraging sign for any business partnership. Speaking of that

717
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:14,079
revenue sharing agreement, Corkoran also spoke of his commission fifteen

718
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,760
percent of across the board net earnings with a three

719
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:22,519
year sunset clause in his recollection for serving as Chances manager, which,

720
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,880
as with the rest of his testimony, will certainly factor

721
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,480
in to the remainder of the trial.

722
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 15: Well, not a very good manager if he's going to

723
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,559
try and wear a zillion different hats and expect that's

724
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:35,159
going to work.

725
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 12: I don't understand though, this agreement with a three year

726
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:47,760
sunset clause. So was that a verbal agreement because Chance

727
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,239
wouldn't sign anything, right.

728
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,079
Speaker 15: Unless he signed something. But it was so vaguely written

729
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:56,480
that maybe it sounds like it was just well it

730
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:59,880
was a good business sense, because these aren't good business

731
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:04,079
mess Everything in vague, discriminating, like, how do you even

732
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:08,719
enforce this contract? If everything's well, I think I'll do this. Yeah,

733
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,519
they set each other up for failure. They really didn't,

734
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,599
and they backed obviously backed each other on what they

735
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,559
thought they were going to do. He fell short and

736
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:20,480
couldn't handle the doing the work of five different people. Yeah,

737
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:23,079
you know, like that's what he's trying to do. A mess.

738
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:25,599
It is a big mess. And I can't see that

739
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,239
either one of them are really going to come out

740
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,800
winners in this. It sounds to me like everybody's going

741
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,119
to come out it a lot. Yeah, you know, they're

742
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,360
probably both going to be lucky to walk away with

743
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,760
anything in their bank accounts by the time this is done.

744
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,199
But he did it to himself. I mean what manager

745
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,960
does all? Like, really, do managers really put all that

746
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,159
up front, like they're gonna take all the money out

747
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,679
of their own bank account, They buy the T shirts themselves,

748
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:49,320
they do all of that.

749
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,159
Speaker 12: But I've not heard of that. I that's like nuts.

750
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 15: That doesn't sound smart. Like I know that management companies

751
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,679
might invest in in like an album or something like that,

752
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,800
but I've never heard him to do everything like this.

753
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 12: These people both sounds crazy, Like Chance the Rapper won't

754
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,679
sign it is a Grammy.

755
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,559
Speaker 15: When they made this agreement? Was this like something in

756
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:12,480
the middle of the night.

757
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 12: Thing that maybe they're both severely mentally ill. I mean,

758
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:17,679
Chance the Rapper sounds like he's got some kind of well,

759
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,920
he sounds Chance sounds like he's crazy. This is a

760
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,119
Grammy winning artist, and he won't sign a contract with anybody.

761
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:24,639
He won't.

762
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,199
Speaker 15: He's eccentric money. Remember when you don't have money, then

763
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,440
you become crazy. When you have money, you're eccentric.

764
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 12: But he doesn't have any money. That's the thing. He's

765
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,280
got nothing to show for him.

766
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 15: I spent it all trying to do that.

767
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,119
Speaker 12: I mean, well, no, is it sounds like Pat the

768
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:44,280
manager spent all the money. He spent his own money. Chance,

769
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,840
but what money did he get? Chance probably doesn't have

770
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,760
any money either. He can't sign all.

771
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,519
Speaker 15: Because it's not being done right. Then, yeah, he's not

772
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:52,199
making anything.

773
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,079
Speaker 12: Nothing's being monetized correctly.

774
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,199
Speaker 15: Apparently they're spending money. They're basically throwing money out the

775
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,440
windows here and there.

776
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:03,679
Speaker 12: And they just sounds like like they're both idiots or

777
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,920
they're nuts or something. I don't know.

778
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 15: These are not These are not uh, these are not

779
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:09,119
smart moves.

780
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 12: These are not well adjusted humans.

781
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,639
Speaker 15: So the question is are they going to come out

782
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,159
of this with their shirts or are they going to

783
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:15,840
lose everything?

784
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,519
Speaker 12: Well, sounds like Pat's already lost everything. He's three hundred

785
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:20,119
and fifty four thousand dollars in the hole.

786
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 15: Interesting to see how this court battle goes. Though.

787
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, I didn't know about any of this until this morning.

788
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,920
I but this is very interesting about.

789
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 15: Right, and I want to know, like how much I

790
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,800
want to see more? Like what else did they have evidence?

791
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 9: Rise?

792
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 15: You know who's going to win? Is someone going to

793
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,719
end up paying somebody else?

794
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,119
Speaker 12: Probably don't have that much evidence wise, if nothing was

795
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,159
written down because Chance won't sign a contract with anybody.

796
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,559
Speaker 15: Well maybe not, because then the manager's going to have

797
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,920
receipts like I bought Chance the Wrapper shirts, or I

798
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:55,199
bought Chance the Wrapper bandanas, or you know, we pressed

799
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,599
X number of CDs. Yeah, you know, if he's doing

800
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:00,599
all of that up front, he's going to every seats

801
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:03,159
for everything he put up front. But if he doesn't

802
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,320
have a contract that says he gets reimbursed, and he's

803
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,280
expecting to just simply sell everything to.

804
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 12: Make the money somehow crazy.

805
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is not the way. Do not do as

806
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,719
these people have done.

807
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,199
Speaker 12: A cautionary tale, although I don't think most people would.

808
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,519
I mean, this is just nuts.

809
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 15: Not you would think in this day and age that

810
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:24,719
people would be.

811
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:26,559
Speaker 12: That's why I think they're both mentally ill.

812
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,199
Speaker 15: Smarter to put everything down and writing of what you're

813
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,880
going to expect, Yeah, you know, but in doing so

814
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:39,519
in detail, not just vague statements of we're gonna do merch.

815
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:43,119
That's too vague. It's gotta be we're gonna do two

816
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,800
hundred T shirts or we're gonna do you know, five

817
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,199
thousand CDs, whatever it is. It's got to be specific

818
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,199
and spelled out, or you don't get a leg to

819
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,880
stand on. Yeah, you know, if you're expecting this person

820
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,480
to do all of this for you while you don't look,

821
00:45:57,639 --> 00:45:59,800
which isn't smart, But if you don't want to look,

822
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,440
you just expect this person. He's gonna book all your stuff,

823
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:05,239
he's gonna do the photography, he's gonna get the CD pressed,

824
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,119
he's gonna do all you merch. He's gonna do everything

825
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,960
humanly possible except for spoon feed you. And you don't

826
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,920
want to pay attention to that. You're kind of setting

827
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,840
yourself up there that when you do turn around and go, oh, no,

828
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:20,159
I have no money, you know why?

829
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,639
Speaker 12: I just I still think they're both non composition.

830
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 15: I feel like they were maybe I don't know where

831
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,239
they inebriated when they made this agreement. Because especially anything

832
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,800
verbal in this day and age, you would think people

833
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,679
would know better than to do anything as a verbal contract. Right,

834
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,960
Like I said, I don't care if you've been bestie

835
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,159
friends since you were both little teeny babies and Diape

836
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,519
is running around looking for the you know how to

837
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,480
stand up and walk street. I don't care how long

838
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:49,320
you've known each other. You've put it in writing, spell

839
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,960
it out. It's just better for both of you. There's

840
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:54,960
no question you're both on firm foundation, and you know

841
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,079
what your job is. You know what their job is,

842
00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:59,400
and what the expectations are going to be for the

843
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,280
end of the product. You know, it's just smart five minutes,

844
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:06,079
even if you write it out on a piece of

845
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:10,199
paper and sign it, it's better than any than nothing.

846
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,639
Better to have a lawyer. But you know, in the

847
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,199
pinch at least do that do that so much?

848
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:17,599
Speaker 17: All right?

849
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 15: Well, I think you would know better, Like you're that

850
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,800
big of a guy. And like what about this manager?

851
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,400
How many artists has he managed? Does he do this

852
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:27,360
with other artists? Is this the only manager?

853
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 9: Like?

854
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,199
Speaker 15: Where is he in the management scheme of the world?

855
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:30,559
Speaker 16: Right?

856
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,320
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of Empathy, and this is absence.

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