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Welcome everybody. We have entered our number two New Maarrow
dose of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from
the studios of wm NH ninety five point three FM
and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream
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contact infoshow archives, et cetera, et cetera. If you are
listening live today is Saturday, March seven, twenty twenty six.
Jenny is here, of course at the news table. And
the reason that we played some turbocats they are not
on the show with us today, but I thought it
appropriate because we have joining us in studio. We have
Star and Taylor from pers and Pores. Welcome, Hello, thanks
for having us. Absolutely absolutely. Now, well all right let's
start here and then you know, you did bring us
a couple of gift bags which we're we're going to
show for the video of viewers. But what is person Pores?
Speaker 13: Person Pores is a cat cafe. There's cat cafes are
a cafe half and then there's a sally way that
you go inside and the other half is where you
get to hang out with all the cats. Oh okay,
so and they're all adoptable cats.
Speaker 12: Really, yeah, you.
Speaker 13: Don't want to bring your own cats there?
Speaker 12: Okay, that's interesting. I wondered about that part. Okay, so
the idea, So, so the cats are adoptable, so it
kind of gives you a chance to go and uh
almost like like you know, in the mall, for example,
they have what is it. I forget the name of
the place, but yeah, the pet store there where you
can go and you know, they have dogs and they
have cats and whatnot. But but the only way you
get to actually hang out with the cats is if
you go inside one of the cubicles or whatever. I
don't know. It's not a cage technically, but but so
but at person port, so you get to actually hang
out with the cats.
Speaker 13: And it's a free room, like the cats hang out
in that area, okay, and they can come sit on
your lap, hang out, drink a coffee. Yeah, they shouldn't
drink the coffee.
Speaker 12: Probably not. Yeah, I don't know. Can you give cats caffeine?
You probably don't know. Probably not. Okay, No, that makes sense.
That makes sense. Yeah, because I like the idea of
being able to go into a room and you know,
maybe they'll come over to you and sit on you.
You know, because you know, we like to think that
we choose them, but in truth, they choose us, right,
you know, cats have a way of choosing their their humans.
So oh well, let's do this before we go any further.
So I'm gonna put the camera back on me. So
for those of you watching it, is a radio show
first and foremost. But if you are watching the video,
so they brought us these lovely gift bags. Let's see
he's got the person pores. Oh wow candles. Mmmm, those
are nice. So you've got so you sell these at
person poors. I assume yes.
Speaker 14: We partnered with Candle Tree, soy candle okay, and conquered.
It's on Main Street and conquered.
Speaker 12: Oh, very nice.
Speaker 14: The owner's name is Ross and he's he loves but
he does.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 14: This month our sense are New Hampshire themed and it's
for maple months. So we got New Hampshire maple syrup.
We got cedarn balsome for like the White Mountains. Yeah,
we got white birch for the National the State Tree.
Speaker 12: Got some citrus perfection sweet orange handcrafted soap. That's very cool.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so Chrissy at the soapre off Main and conquered
New Hampshire. She made those two and she thought of
all the names. She's very creative. She loves what she does.
Speaker 12: Oh, very cool, very cool. Yeah, thank you for bringing those.
Oh there's a magnet two looks like for very cool.
Speaker 15: We love all things kitty.
Speaker 12: We're both Yeah, we love we love cats. Yeah, absolutely,
absolutely wonderful, Thank you so much. So, so, what's what's
the current status of person pores in Manchester?
Speaker 14: So right now we're looking for a building. Okay, it's
been kind of hard for us because a lot of
the kind of within our budget isn't like compatible for
a cafe. Okay, it's not really the cats they're turning
us down. We thought our number one like issue would
be people are like, oh, we don't want cats in
our location, right, but it's just they don't want like
the dishwashers set up and all the.
Speaker 12: Interesting Yeah.
Speaker 14: So if we're trying to find like the perfect building.
Speaker 12: For us, we're trying to find the perfect had to
do it, had to do it? Are you so, are
you committed to being in Manchester or are you maybe
looking at, you know, outside of Manchester.
Speaker 14: We really want to do Conquered, New Hampshire. Oh, no kidding, Okay, yeah,
just because it's the state capitol and their Chamber of
Commerce is like awesome. Yeah, I don't know. Conquered seems
like the location for us, and it's closer to us, okay.
For her, Manchester would be like an hour drive.
Speaker 12: From her house, no kidding, okay, yeah, yeah, gotcha, gotcha.
So you're looking at conquered, are you also looking like
outside of because I just wonder if you know, like
maybe outside of conquered around you know, sort of conquered adjacent. Yeah.
Speaker 14: Yeah, we just extended our search like two weeks ago. Okay,
We've been looking for two months and conquered and then
we're like, hey, we should probably you know, extend the
search because slim pickings.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, Now is is person por is? Is it
a franchise or what is it? Is it your own things?
It is?
Speaker 14: Okay, we created our own LC August of last year.
Speaker 12: Oh excellent, excellent. Yeah yeah, I wasn't sure if it
was like a like a franchise and you and you
were buying a location and you just needed somewhere to
put it or something like that. But so so this
is you, this is you.
Speaker 14: Started from the ground.
Speaker 12: Oh that's fantastic. Excellent. No, good for you. No, we
love talking entrepreneurs and so what uh whose idea was it?
Speaker 16: It was?
Speaker 14: Yeah, so kind of like what inspired us is We
both went on vacation in Hawaii. Oddly enough, different times.
We went to a lot, okay, and she saw the
cat cafe. I went on vacation. I saw it too,
And then randomly, because we work together, we're like, hey,
like that would be awesome to do a cat cafe.
Yeah that was like two years ago. And then just
randomly one day I like messaged her and I said,
we gotta do this, Like, yeah, I want to do this.
I want to wake up every day to be like
inspired by my work and help like orphaned cats like
to feel good about us, like this is our time.
We're almost thirty, like, let's do our own thing.
Speaker 12: So, so there are other cat cafes that you've like,
like have you have you traveled around and seen a
lot of different ones and.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I've seen about like ten fifteen Okay, and follow
other cat cafes. Yeah, we're trying to see all of them, honestly, Yeah,
and make some new ones.
Speaker 12: Are they all the the ones that you've been to? Are?
Are they are they all similar? Or do you see
variations and business models or I'm really curious, like what
you know if they all kind of operate in a
similar fashion or if some of them are unique.
Speaker 14: Or yeah, So for the typical, like for the listeners
to understand what a cat cafe is for the typical
cat cafe. Patrons come in and they pay a nominal
amount to go into the cat cafe and into the
cat lounge where adoptable cats are and the cats are
free roaming, cage free. It allows them to see the
cats in their natural environment, almost in like a homey experience,
so that they can learn the cat's personalities. And then
you can get food and beverage and that just helps
people stay longer and you feel more comfortable. So we're
planning on picking up like that business model. Okay, and
a lot of people also have a problem with paying
the amount amount of need to go into the cat lounge,
but honestly, that money goes towards like rent, the cat
care things like that. So a lot of people are like, oh,
why do we have to pay to go see the cats,
But all of that money goes towards the care for
the cats because while they're in our care, we have
to take care of everything to do with them. We're
helping the shelters too by helping them be fed the
cat litter, so it's giving the shelters a break as well.
Speaker 12: Okay, So ideally does does the cafe then sort of
team up with the shelters and okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 13: There's also like other types that's more what we're going for,
like set of wise okay, two separate areas. There is
some where they just bring the food in and like
from a commercial kitchen and sell it there, and then
they don't really have like a sitting area and you
just go hang out with the cats. I went in
one in Florida that was weird. It was kind of
cool though. It was literally just a straight up cat room. Yeah,
and then they had like a little small area where
they just major drinks and brought it out to you,
so you wouldn't even.
Speaker 14: Go over in there.
Speaker 12: Oh interesting.
Speaker 14: Yeah, So we kind of wanted to have the cafe
so we have multiple like revenue streams and can offer
people food and drink while they're there.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 14: We're also going to do events there like yoga, trivia
and I have bandsing there.
Speaker 17: Cool.
Speaker 12: You'll have to have the turbocasts that be pretty sweet.
I'm curious too, as you've gone around and you've looked
at these different cat cafes, have you seen anything that
where you kind of thought, wow, they're doing something really
strange here. That's not something we would do or I
don't see how that. I don't see how what they're
doing is going to work long term. You see anything
like strange that where you go? Really, I haven't.
Speaker 13: Well, I was looking up other ones. There was one
in Main. I'm not sure if they're still open. It
was temporary closed and they have like a dispensary style
which is really interesting. It's only for eighteen and up.
So I was like, oh, that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 12: That's different.
Speaker 13: But I don't think they actually have like the dispensary things.
Speaker 12: Oh.
Speaker 13: I think it's just like the style of it. It's
more for cats. Oh okay, but it's in Main, so yeah,
it's a little different.
Speaker 12: Oh that's interesting, kind of a weird question.
Speaker 15: But how do you keep the cats from getting out there?
Speaker 12: That's a great question. Yeah.
Speaker 13: We will have like a sallly way, which is like
a hallway with a door on each side.
Speaker 12: Okay, and there's.
Speaker 13: Only like one entrance for people to go in.
Speaker 15: That makes sense.
Speaker 13: You have to like walk into the salleyway, shut the door,
and then make sure there's no cats near you, like
the other door.
Speaker 15: It's like the TSA. You go in the one door
and when that door closes, then the other door opens.
Speaker 14: That makes sense already.
Speaker 15: That cool.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, no, that does make sense. How many cats
ideally would there be on premises at any like, you
must have a there must be like a maximum capacity
or maybe it depends on the size of the space. Ultimately,
I don't know, but right like, how many is manageable?
Speaker 14: We're going to plan between ten to fifteen. Okay, yeah,
I think more than.
Speaker 13: Fifteen might be a little too much. Yeah, depending, that's
a really big space.
Speaker 14: Else Yeah, all the cats have different personalities too, so
that's a lot to manage. And it comes down to
the shelters rules too, kind of how we're going to
create agreement with them. Okay, right now we're kind of
in talks with Pope, Memorial, SPCA, and Conquered and we're
kind of just trying to figure out how that relationship
would look like because they've never done anything like this,
and obviously they're nonprofit, so there's multiple people they got
to discuss this with. Oh yeah, we're going to come
to terms of how to take care of the cats
because ultimately it's their cats. We're just fostering them, right, So, yeah,
there's going to be a lot of training and hands
on on and kind of like we got to create
terms that make sense.
Speaker 12: For yeah, both of us. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
So what why?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 12: I mean, I assume you both obviously love cats. If
either of you have you done like you know, if
you worked in a veterinarian's office or anything like that,
or I'm curious if it like prior professional experience involving
cats or do you or do you just love cats?
Which is a great reason too, but.
Speaker 13: Well I love cats, have had them my entire life.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 13: My neighbor that lived down the street, they had like.
Speaker 15: A hundred cats.
Speaker 12: I feel like yeah all the.
Speaker 13: Time, and we're like, oh, we need to feed them,
moms like stop feeding them.
Speaker 15: They have a home.
Speaker 13: And then I went to like my uncle's house. He
had a farm a bunch of stray animal or like
barn cats.
Speaker 12: Yeah, loved it.
Speaker 13: Hung out with them, volunteer with animals. Were actually getting
ready to start volunteering at.
Speaker 12: The Pope Memorial as well, Okay.
Speaker 13: Just mostly out of fun because we both love hanging
out with animals. Well, I absolutely love volunteering. I've been
doing it since I was like five.
Speaker 12: Yeah, good for you good. Good? What about you star?
Speaker 14: Yeah, not so much experience professionally, Taylor and I don't
have experience, like professionally dealing with animals, but we've grown
up around them. We've always loved animals growing up. I
always wanted to be a vet. I don't really know
what happened with that, you know, you know, life happened
and I didn't become a vet. Like you know, this
is a way to incorporate animals and our dreams, you know,
into our business.
Speaker 12: What's something that people don't know about about cats that
that you think would surprise them.
Speaker 14: That's a good question.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I actually was recently talking about this that cats like purring,
like the vibration from it actually can help heal bones,
like you been in people. I don't know how much
research they have them like that part, but it actually
helps them heal faster and like do better. So I
have a cat at home that hurt himself and I'm
just like, oh, I need to get you to per
And I was like do this. I was like, come on,
motivational speaking to this cat. He is doing better. Okay, Okay,
maybe it worked.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe. You know, we talked to about
the shelters, Like, how big of a problem is that?
I bet it's I bet it's a bigger problem than
people realize. Like how many cats end up in shelters?
Speaker 14: Not so much in New Hampshire. New Hampshire really outsources
it from places like Florida. Florida has like a kitten
season all year round. Spring is like the kitten season. Obviously,
our springtime is very short in New Hampshire. So yeah,
so they usually take them from kill shelters and places
in Florida.
Speaker 12: That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so we really want to partner with a place
that will take them from kill shelters to kind of
help them get off the youth in Asia.
Speaker 12: Lists mm hmmm, hmm oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, I
had no idea. No, that's interesting. That's interesting. And then
what's kind of the I mean, once, once you find
a place and you're open and everything, is there a
long term plan to open? Like like do you like thinking,
you know, five ten years down the road? I mean,
do you want to have multiple locations?
Speaker 14: We want a franchise for sure.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, no, that's great. And do you have investors?
You have people who are no or no, it's just us,
you're just doing this. Wow. Good for that yet not yet.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm not sure about taking on investors because a
lot of the times you got to give up a
percentage of your company, of course, and we kind of
want full creative control and kind of what we do. Yeah,
if tough times happen, we can get some angel investors
and stuff, but as of now, I think Taylor and
I just want to be like, you know, the leaders
of this.
Speaker 12: No, that's great, full control.
Speaker 13: It's a lot easier talking to one person than trying
to convince a whole group to do the same thing.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, yeah, no, that's interesting. And how about like,
are your families supportive of this? Very good? Good?
Speaker 14: Yeah, my family. You know, the last seven years have
worked in the state prison, which my family was not
very happy. Oh no, kidding that I worked there. And
now that I'm like, oh, now I'm working with cats
and doing my dream because they've always known I want
to be a veterinarian work with animals, like that's you know,
my personality type. And they're like, good for you for finally, like, yeah,
you know, stretching your wings out and doing what you want.
Speaker 12: No, that's great. Yeah, you worked at the prison, at
the state prison.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I still work as a.
Speaker 12: Prison Oh you do do you what do you do there?
Speaker 14: I'm an officer there.
Speaker 12: Oh no kidding? Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so different different career field, right right.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, you've been there seven years?
Speaker 14: Yeah, seven years.
Speaker 12: Yeah. I had a good friend who did that job,
who I think lasted maybe a year and he just
couldn't just couldn't hack it. Yeah, because it's you.
Speaker 14: Know, yeah, it's hard, right, you know, not the best
place to be in New Hampshire.
Speaker 12: Just saying, well it could be worse. You could be
on you know, behind bars and the.
Speaker 14: Exactly. I'm not complaining.
Speaker 12: How about how about you? Taylor?
Speaker 13: So I've worked a lot of like cafes, I've worked
in restaurants.
Speaker 12: Good experience for what you're doing.
Speaker 13: And I recently last year just bought a coffeehouse at
the Deerfield Fair.
Speaker 16: Oh.
Speaker 15: I love it.
Speaker 13: The guy that I bought it from, he's basically like
a mentor to me.
Speaker 12: It was great.
Speaker 13: We also have cats a nursing home that I work at, Okay,
and like their amazing residents love them. I'll actually like
carry them around on the floor with me. I'm not
supposed to have them on my carts. Was like, oh,
everybody either hanging out with me.
Speaker 14: Taylor and I actually worked there together and that was
the highlight of our day. We'd go up the chairs
and be like, oh, did you see one of the
cat's names was Skeeter? Did you see Skeeter today? And
we just like talk about it day Yea.
Speaker 13: Sometimes I'd bring like a laser with me to play
with them. It was like the best thing in the
whole world. And then there's another cat there, she's still there,
name of Saber. She likes to be spun around on
the floor, so you sit there, you keep pedner, she
like goes in a circle. Absolutely love it.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Taylor also has a degree in culinary so this will.
Speaker 12: Actually yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 13: And then my family thinks that I'm very much like
a restaurant type of person. I've worked in hospitality a lot,
like it goes together, but I absolutely am there for
the animals. Yeah yeah, because I just there's so much fun, Yeah,
so much personality.
Speaker 12: Absolutely. Absolutely. What's a misconception that that people have about
cats that you want to knock down today while.
Speaker 14: You're here, Well, cats are cat cafes. There's two different things.
So the cats, A lot of people are like, I
hate cats, and yeah, it seems like a lot like by.
Speaker 12: The way, you never hear anyone just say, oh I
don't like cats. They they'll tell you that I hate cats.
Speaker 14: Yeah, they're so avid about it. Ye yeah, your cat
ever do to you? It's weird, right, Yeah, I mean
they all have their different personality types, and they're not
as like affectionate as like dogs.
Speaker 12: They're well, they're not as obedient, they're not as expressive.
That's how I think of it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, very Oh yeah affectionate cat.
Speaker 14: Mine will literally like just sleep on my face all night.
Speaker 12: The cat Jenny and I have is very affectionate.
Speaker 14: Yeah yeah. But it seems like a lot of the
male population too. I don't know if it's like a
like a tough guy thing like cats, like you know,
this little cute, fluffy thing like I can't show my
soft side. But like it'd be nice to see a
lot more males be like, oh, I love kitty cats.
You know, I'll open up because you can see most
of them they like them, but they're just trying to
be like a right hats Like what a little furry
thing do to you.
Speaker 12: Right right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 14: And then cat cafes, there's a misconception people people think
it's going to be dirty, like the cats are separate
from the food prep the cafe area.
Speaker 12: And they have to be legally right exactly.
Speaker 14: Exactly, and like at the same time, it's like do
you not eat around your cats at home too?
Speaker 12: Like you know, like good, good point.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's just an interesting thought. Like we've seen a
lot of things on social media. People are like that
that's disgusting.
Speaker 9: That.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's like do your research on it, and it's
will keep it clean, we promise.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah. And if somebody doesn't want to go, nobody's forcing. Yeah,
just don't come right right exactly.
Speaker 13: They get forced they can go sit in the cafe
while everyone hangs out with the cats.
Speaker 12: Okay, m h, there you go, there you go. So,
you know, if people want to want to learn more
and keep up with what you're doing as you're searching
for a place and whatnot, you know, we might have
listeners who have ideas and suggestions or maybe they just
want to help in some way. Where should they go online?
Where's the best place for people to go online to
keep up with with this whole project.
Speaker 13: I would say Facebook and Instagram are like our most popular.
We're on a lot of social media and okay, but
we also have like a link tree which has like
all of our social media on there, and I believe
our website.
Speaker 14: Is on there as well.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Our website's ww dot person, porscatcafe dot com okay, and
we have a contact us link and it's pretty straightforward.
Put your information in and put any comment you want
and it goes straight to us. We love suggestions, We
love talking with our customers. Usually like weekly, we get
people just like rooting for us, like with enthusiasm, so
that makes us happy. You know, somebody took the time
another day just to log in and you know give
us a little pep talk like that's.
Speaker 12: Awesome, Oh that's really cool.
Speaker 14: Yeah, And we're just very transparent, So follow us on
social media all the way through all of our collaborations
with local businesses, all of the steps like even finding
our real estate agent. We're very very open. I think
that's important for businesses to be pretty transparent, and like
we want to build a community with people as well,
so like yeah, yeah, the more followers, the more conversations
we can have like it could be their business too.
We're very open to like doing the best for our
customers and the animals.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 13: We actually use social media to fire find our real
estate agent too, like a bunch of people were sending
us so many Oh great, that was really helpful.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that's that's excellent. That's excellent.
Speaker 14: Shout out to Sarah Lang. You're awesome.
Speaker 12: Is that your real estate?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 12: Oh, very good, very good. Well listen, I thank you
both for coming in today. This is this is wonderful.
We'll have to have you on again in the future
because once you know, once you've got a place, you know,
we definitely want to have you back. And uh, you know,
Jenny and I we both love cats, and so we're
very uh we're very encouraged to see what you're doing.
I know, when you're when you're ready and you're up
and running, and you know, she's excited to go, so
definitely I want to see how it all turns out too.
So so good luck to you both of course. Uh,
Star and Taylor appreciate you coming in.
Speaker 14: Thank you, thanks for having us.
Speaker 12: All right, you got it, and I've think we should
close out the segment with We'll play another turbook at song.
This one is called My Senior Lady and it's all
about his His senior Lady.
Speaker 9: Cat heerm yah still so sweet.
Speaker 18: An extra special tree, My senior Lady cap, My senior
Lady cap.
Speaker 9: Still looks like a.
Speaker 18: Cow an old odermmuaw my senior Lady, My senior lady
can my dimestic short.
Speaker 1: Hair with a little bit of gray, My.
Speaker 9: Senior Lady, My senior lady can my favorite cow yow.
Speaker 18: My high birth hyroy yow, my senior Lady can my
senior lady cap, my senior lady can my senior lady can.
Speaker 7: So so.
Speaker 4: No ties so small.
Speaker 1: Because of left don't tripper.
Speaker 4: Have a lot? I do find my life sweet see
me left time.
Speaker 6: In the shadows where the flight wo a.
Speaker 1: Me chasing whispers or a pullman.
Speaker 4: You do buy me a bet? I go way the talking.
Speaker 6: You don't understand how it feels being the don of
the shin.
Speaker 4: The shot to trump, the storm great, the heart.
Speaker 11: Crumbling foundation, the friendship built, a life.
Speaker 4: That shine, story is shine.
Speaker 11: And then in the shadow those with a fly who
find me chasing whispers from men.
Speaker 4: To find me a baby. I can't wait to smoking.
Speaker 11: You don't understand how it feels. The dire shot shows.
Speaker 12: Let that is left out. The band is awaiting Abigail
and featuring a little bit of their music because they
are a great band from Texas and they are playing
tonight in Massachusetts at the Rocking Women of Metal with
Under the Horizon, Sex Coffee and Sepsis are all going
to be there. Great bands. While sex Coffee I've never
seen before, never heard before, but looking forward to checking
them out, and of course Sepsis our listeners are very
familiar with from over the years. And Uh awaiting Abigail,
great band from Texas, Selby in the area, and of
course Under the Horizon. It was Mike Uh the band
dad if you will, from Under the Horizon who text
messaged me and said, hey, awaiting Abigail wants to know
if you want to come to this show, they'll put
you on the guest list.
Speaker 15: Jenny.
Speaker 12: Of course, Jenny unfortunately cannot go with me tonight.
Speaker 15: We're so not happy from hell. Yes, and the tonight
is that's going with it is really bad. Yeah, and
unfortunately the going to see live bands would probably make
it horrifically worse.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, but uh yeah Rock and Women of Metal
tonight at the Magic Room in Norwood, mass a venue
that I have not been to, but uh I know
me neither. Six oh yes, doors at six shows at eleven.
I'm sorry, seven shows seven to eleven.
Speaker 15: Such an awesome lineup. It really is an awesome lineup. Yeah,
absolutely in all hard working bands yep, yep, and all
bands that have been on the show multiple times except
for Sex Coffee.
Speaker 9: Again.
Speaker 15: You're going to check them out tonight, so maybe we'll
have them on in the future.
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, absolutely they are.
Speaker 15: They are from Providence, so oh well, funny they sent
me this one because I was reading this one earlier.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, we have a little more music industry news.
We've got a little bit of time. Of course, if
you are listening live on Saturday, I should mention coming
up in the third hour Loud George, another great band
from the UK. We had so many great bands from there.
They are going to be with us on the program
via Microsoft teams, so looking forward to speaking with them.
But this is from Digitalmusicnews dot com and I did
not know that this was going on, but apparently it's
been going on for a while. It says here Marathon
Chance the Rapper versus Pat the Manager. Dispute officially heads
to trial. Pat says he personally lost three hundred and
fifty thousand dollars plus running Chance the Rappers merch operation.
And it's funny too, because we were talking earlier about
how artists make their money, how artists make their money
on merch because touring, you know, most of that money
goes to you know, Live Nation and whomever else. Right,
they suck all that.
Speaker 15: Half and put all the diesel in the trucks, which
is probably really expensive these days.
Speaker 12: Touring is very cost prohibital. Oh seriously, in many ways,
a lot of a lot of artists.
Speaker 15: Wells, buses a lot to it. You got to feed everybody.
Speaker 12: It's all very hard. So yeah, you got to make
that money on merch T shirts and you know T
shirts of course the number one merch item it shows.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 12: But uh, but apparently something has gone wrong between Chance
the Rapper and Pat the now ex manager, So it
says here again. This is from Digital musicnews dot com, which, again,
as I mentioned earlier, a great website for music industry news.
If you're interested in this. Uh, the USA versus Live
Nation antitrust trial isn't the only music real music world
legal battle that's unfolding now. Chance the Rapper and Pat
the manager or ex manager have taken their long running
contract dispute to the courtroom. It says here we've been
covering the ugly clash of former friends and business partners.
Chance was like a brother to me, in manager Pat
Cochrane's Pat Corkran's own words, for over half a decade,
but the showdown, technically consisting of a multi million dollar
commission complaint from Corkoran and a distinct unjust enrichment action
from Chance, just recently headed to trial in Chicago. Unsurprisingly, then, Corkran,
during a lengthy direct examination, discussed more than a few
components of his and Chances professional relationship. With the benefit
of hindsight and objectivity, we can see the association, though
fruitful at the outset, was seemingly destined to deteriorate in
any event, says as Corkoran explained on the stand, it
was his parents and members of Chances family, not the grown,
albeit young and inexperienced men behind the deal, who'd initially
sorted the loosely defined details of the manager client arrangement.
Now right off the bat, before we go any further,
when when you see loosely defined details of a manager
client arrangement, that you know there's going to be trouble
because everything has to be very clear and specific and
written out, and entertainment lawyers.
Speaker 15: Beauty talk about that.
Speaker 12: You've heard who Judgey? Oh well, sure, yes, not in
the contract. It's not there. That's right, that's right, it
says here. Thrust into commercial prominence following the release of
Acid Rap, Chance opened for high profile acts, including mac Miller,
all while Corkoran assumed sweeping responsibilities and struggled to personally
cover day to day expense, as the manager said before
the jury. Concerningly, Corkoran also described Chance's alleged unwillingness to
sign agreements of any kind. Quote he didn't want to
sign or have, you know, a written agreement with anybody unquote,
and reiterated that the artist's music wasn't being monetized whatsoever.
Quote there wasn't even music being commercialized unquote, even as
he was performing on the same stage as Macklemore and others.
So that's a pretty shoddy business here. The Chance, the
rapper business is not so much. And you know why
Corkoran would want anything to do with anybody who doesn't
even want to sign anything. A written agreement of any
kind is bizarre and.
Speaker 15: Not smart by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, I
don't care if you're best of friends, bosom buddies that
grew up ever since you were in typeies together from
being little. Put it in writing. Put it in a contract.
Make it clear. Yes, what's your expectation, what you're gonna do,
what you're gonna get. If it's not there, it doesn't exist.
I don't care you shake a hand on it. I
don't care whatever that is that's not gonna hold up
when it comes down to it. This money involved friends
are no friends, married or not married. Put it in
writing because it's just better for both of you. There's
no question of expectations. It's clear, they're defined, and if
somebody doesn't kept it, keep up their end. You have
a way of recourse and you're not just out of everything.
And especially you know, bands sometimes I think can fall
victim of things like this because you have somebody that
gets excited about your music and they want they want
to quote unquote help you, and it sounds great up front,
but they actually don't have the wherewithal to bring it
to fruition to make it real for you, and then
you're in this nasty, horrible situation. So you're better off
always putting everything in writing and making it clear.
Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, absolutely Again. This is from Digital Musicnews dot com.
It says on the label side, the alleged aversion to
signed and sealed contracts has not changed. Chance self released
last year's star Line that was apparently that's his newest album.
Building on this overview, Corcoran proceeded to explore how he'd
stepped well outside the confines of traditional managerial duties to
develop a hands on merch operation and later a radio
promotion strategy, and between manufacturing the actual merch renting warehouse space,
expanding the team amid an influx of orders and more,
he was quote losing his shirt on running the merchandise
operation unquote as it was hemorrhaging money. Fans placed nearly
ten thousand orders in the month after Chance in twenty seventeen,
took home a trio of Grammys. Per Corkoran, he.
Speaker 15: Tried to do too much for one person. This probably, yeah,
that happens, and you try to do that because you
think you're gonna save money, and you don't because it's
just not possible to keep up.
Speaker 12: And you try to do that because you think it's
all gonna pay off, right, because here you've got, you know.
Speaker 15: Like running a radio campaign. That's a lot of work,
it is, that's.
Speaker 12: Not I would know, Yeah, you would know. I watch
you do it a lot.
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a lot of work and a lot of
follow up and a lot. Right, there's a lot to
it just doing that. Plus he's trying to set the venues.
Plus he's trying to make the T shirts and who's
printing them and where's the design coming from. That's too much.
That's crazy to try and do that all in one. Yeah,
you know, you're better off hire and the pros to
do what you need them to do and then bringing
it in. You're gonna spend less money in the long run, right, Right.
It sounds to me like they set them they set
themselves up for failure.
Speaker 12: Corkoran said, quote, I think it was like three hundred
and fifty four thousand dollars was the loss that I
took on operating the Chance Merchandise operation unquote. Needless to say,
revenue sharing agreement or not, this alleged loss wouldn't prove
an encouraging sign for any business partnership. Speaking of that
revenue sharing agreement, Corkoran also spoke of his commission fifteen
percent of across the board net earnings with a three
year sunset clause in his recollection for serving as Chances manager, which,
as with the rest of his testimony, will certainly factor
in to the remainder of the trial.
Speaker 15: Well, not a very good manager if he's going to
try and wear a zillion different hats and expect that's
going to work.
Speaker 12: I don't understand though, this agreement with a three year
sunset clause. So was that a verbal agreement because Chance
wouldn't sign anything, right.
Speaker 15: Unless he signed something. But it was so vaguely written
that maybe it sounds like it was just well it
was a good business sense, because these aren't good business
mess Everything in vague, discriminating, like, how do you even
enforce this contract? If everything's well, I think I'll do this. Yeah,
they set each other up for failure. They really didn't,
and they backed obviously backed each other on what they
thought they were going to do. He fell short and
couldn't handle the doing the work of five different people. Yeah,
you know, like that's what he's trying to do. A mess.
It is a big mess. And I can't see that
either one of them are really going to come out
winners in this. It sounds to me like everybody's going
to come out it a lot. Yeah, you know, they're
probably both going to be lucky to walk away with
anything in their bank accounts by the time this is done.
But he did it to himself. I mean what manager
does all? Like, really, do managers really put all that
up front, like they're gonna take all the money out
of their own bank account, They buy the T shirts themselves,
they do all of that.
Speaker 12: But I've not heard of that. I that's like nuts.
Speaker 15: That doesn't sound smart. Like I know that management companies
might invest in in like an album or something like that,
but I've never heard him to do everything like this.
Speaker 12: These people both sounds crazy, Like Chance the Rapper won't
sign it is a Grammy.
Speaker 15: When they made this agreement? Was this like something in
the middle of the night.
Speaker 12: Thing that maybe they're both severely mentally ill. I mean,
Chance the Rapper sounds like he's got some kind of well,
he sounds Chance sounds like he's crazy. This is a
Grammy winning artist, and he won't sign a contract with anybody.
He won't.
Speaker 15: He's eccentric money. Remember when you don't have money, then
you become crazy. When you have money, you're eccentric.
Speaker 12: But he doesn't have any money. That's the thing. He's
got nothing to show for him.
Speaker 15: I spent it all trying to do that.
Speaker 12: I mean, well, no, is it sounds like Pat the
manager spent all the money. He spent his own money. Chance,
but what money did he get? Chance probably doesn't have
any money either. He can't sign all.
Speaker 15: Because it's not being done right. Then, yeah, he's not
making anything.
Speaker 12: Nothing's being monetized correctly.
Speaker 15: Apparently they're spending money. They're basically throwing money out the
windows here and there.
Speaker 12: And they just sounds like like they're both idiots or
they're nuts or something. I don't know.
Speaker 15: These are not These are not uh, these are not
smart moves.
Speaker 12: These are not well adjusted humans.
Speaker 15: So the question is are they going to come out
of this with their shirts or are they going to
lose everything?
Speaker 12: Well, sounds like Pat's already lost everything. He's three hundred
and fifty four thousand dollars in the hole.
Speaker 15: Interesting to see how this court battle goes. Though.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I didn't know about any of this until this morning.
I but this is very interesting about.
Speaker 15: Right, and I want to know, like how much I
want to see more? Like what else did they have evidence?
Speaker 9: Rise?
Speaker 15: You know who's going to win? Is someone going to
end up paying somebody else?
Speaker 12: Probably don't have that much evidence wise, if nothing was
written down because Chance won't sign a contract with anybody.
Speaker 15: Well maybe not, because then the manager's going to have
receipts like I bought Chance the Wrapper shirts, or I
bought Chance the Wrapper bandanas, or you know, we pressed
X number of CDs. Yeah, you know, if he's doing
all of that up front, he's going to every seats
for everything he put up front. But if he doesn't
have a contract that says he gets reimbursed, and he's
expecting to just simply sell everything to.
Speaker 12: Make the money somehow crazy.
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is not the way. Do not do as
these people have done.
Speaker 12: A cautionary tale, although I don't think most people would.
I mean, this is just nuts.
Speaker 15: Not you would think in this day and age that
people would be.
Speaker 12: That's why I think they're both mentally ill.
Speaker 15: Smarter to put everything down and writing of what you're
going to expect, Yeah, you know, but in doing so
in detail, not just vague statements of we're gonna do merch.
That's too vague. It's gotta be we're gonna do two
hundred T shirts or we're gonna do you know, five
thousand CDs, whatever it is. It's got to be specific
and spelled out, or you don't get a leg to
stand on. Yeah, you know, if you're expecting this person
to do all of this for you while you don't look,
which isn't smart, But if you don't want to look,
you just expect this person. He's gonna book all your stuff,
he's gonna do the photography, he's gonna get the CD pressed,
he's gonna do all you merch. He's gonna do everything
humanly possible except for spoon feed you. And you don't
want to pay attention to that. You're kind of setting
yourself up there that when you do turn around and go, oh, no,
I have no money, you know why?
Speaker 12: I just I still think they're both non composition.
Speaker 15: I feel like they were maybe I don't know where
they inebriated when they made this agreement. Because especially anything
verbal in this day and age, you would think people
would know better than to do anything as a verbal contract. Right,
Like I said, I don't care if you've been bestie
friends since you were both little teeny babies and Diape
is running around looking for the you know how to
stand up and walk street. I don't care how long
you've known each other. You've put it in writing, spell
it out. It's just better for both of you. There's
no question you're both on firm foundation, and you know
what your job is. You know what their job is,
and what the expectations are going to be for the
end of the product. You know, it's just smart five minutes,
even if you write it out on a piece of
paper and sign it, it's better than any than nothing.
Better to have a lawyer. But you know, in the
pinch at least do that do that so much?
Speaker 17: All right?
Speaker 15: Well, I think you would know better, Like you're that
big of a guy. And like what about this manager?
How many artists has he managed? Does he do this
with other artists? Is this the only manager?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 15: Where is he in the management scheme of the world?
Speaker 16: Right?
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