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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to another Hard Truce podcast. I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>host Ashon Forbes, and today I have a reoccurring guest.

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<v Speaker 1>I got Jason Georgiohnny back on the podcast. Guys, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>super excited for this. This was one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>if not the most popular conversation that I had last year,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to bring Jason back on because I

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<v Speaker 1>know he has a wealth of information about history, about

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<v Speaker 1>the UFO topic, and specifically today's conversation about thermonuclear weapons

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<v Speaker 1>and anutronic fusion. So welcome back, Jason. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>being here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a pleasure to be with you. Ashton, long overdue.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad we're doing round two now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's just get right into it then. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the topic that I think people really just love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about is the UFO topic, and last time we

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<v Speaker 1>spoke about it in detail. I just want to let

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<v Speaker 1>you know that since we last spoke, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>have always I've been wondering what is the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>the UFO topic. Are the aliens from another dimension? Are

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<v Speaker 1>they from another planet? Is it future humans? And I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say I've moved more and more towards your

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<v Speaker 1>perspective that you presented on the last conversation about ancient

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<v Speaker 1>civilizations even potentially being connected to Atlantis. The more I've

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<v Speaker 1>dug into the physics, like the idea of a future

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<v Speaker 1>human civilization or the idea of resets happening, has become

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<v Speaker 1>almost undeniable to me. So I wanted to get your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on a couple of the topics that are going

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<v Speaker 1>out in the UFO community right now. But first I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to give you praise. The topic that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think got enough play from our last conversation was

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<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned that under the previous Biden administration, the

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<v Speaker 1>person who was coordinating these supposed UFO cover up was

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<v Speaker 1>Avril Hines. And this was crazy to me when you

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<v Speaker 1>said this, because I had connected her to the cover

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<v Speaker 1>up of MH three seven zero, where she was like

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<v Speaker 1>the deputy director of the CIA at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was the one justifying all the drone strikes for Obama,

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<v Speaker 1>which became a major scandal because we were taking out innocent people.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that didn't get more coverage, especially because

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<v Speaker 1>I can firmed with one of my sources right after

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<v Speaker 1>that that yes, apparently she was the person, And it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out it makes sense because the DNI is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's basically coordinating the entire intelligence community, So if

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<v Speaker 1>there is a cover up of this level, they would

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<v Speaker 1>have to know about it. And then the other thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I've come to realize, which I think people just

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<v Speaker 1>in general need to know, is that I was watching

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<v Speaker 1>this interview with John Ramyirz yesterday and in it it's

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<v Speaker 1>like he goes over our surveillance capabilities and they are

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<v Speaker 1>ill extensive, super extensive. The NNGA specifically manages all the

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<v Speaker 1>electro optical and optical surveillance, which I didn't really realize,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has he tell goes through the whole process.

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<v Speaker 1>If they see a UFO or something they don't recognize,

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<v Speaker 1>they ask to see if it's our adversary, and then

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<v Speaker 1>this goes up the line and eventually a report is written.

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<v Speaker 1>So to me, it's insane to think that the government

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<v Speaker 1>there can't be stuff flying around the government doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what it is and have a really good idea of

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<v Speaker 1>his origins. So what are you you have any follow

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<v Speaker 1>ups or thoughts on the avera high and suffer any

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<v Speaker 1>of that, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I believe it was after nine to eleven that

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<v Speaker 2>the intelligence structure of the United States was significantly reorganized,

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe in the most substantive way, since the

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<v Speaker 2>National Security Act of nineteen forty seven established that structure

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with. And one of the things that they

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<v Speaker 2>did was they replaced the sort of central or sort

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<v Speaker 2>of nexus authority of the Director of Central Intelligence, which

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<v Speaker 2>was a CIA position, with the Director of National Intelligence,

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<v Speaker 2>and subordinated the CIA and all the other agencies under

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<v Speaker 2>this Director of National Intelligence. And I always wondered from

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<v Speaker 2>the time when that happened, because I've long been interested

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<v Speaker 2>in the intelligence apparatus of the United States, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>for decades. I wondered whether this was another machination by

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<v Speaker 2>which to create a more even more unaccountable power structure, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was long known that even the Director of

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<v Speaker 2>Central Intelligence wasn't the guy who was most read in

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<v Speaker 2>at the CIA. It was often the more career CIA

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<v Speaker 2>people who would be deputy directors. So I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>maybe by creating Director of National Intelligence, they won even

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<v Speaker 2>more clueless, manipulable executive authority covering up, you know, de

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<v Speaker 2>facto what's actually going on in the intelligence apparatus. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was as surprised as you were to find out

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<v Speaker 2>from inside sources that the woman in that position, at

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<v Speaker 2>at Avril Haynes was in fact well aware of the

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<v Speaker 2>full range of close encounter data, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>not just UFOs, but also the beings associated with them,

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<v Speaker 2>archaeological sites and discoveries associated with them, and so forth,

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<v Speaker 2>not just on Earth but across the Solar System. And

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<v Speaker 2>that she was in a position to you know, design

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<v Speaker 2>a or at least participate in the design of a

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<v Speaker 2>selective long term disclosure plan. That really surprised me that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the intelligence community being reorganized in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>giving actual authority and access to the person who was

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<v Speaker 2>in the position of Director of National Intelligence. And then

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<v Speaker 2>that makes you wonder, is that because it's a legit

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<v Speaker 2>position that comes with that degree of clearance or is

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<v Speaker 2>it because of Abril Haynes's own CV her own history

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<v Speaker 2>of clearances and positions she served it? In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>did Tulci Gabbert get read into the same information when

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<v Speaker 2>she assumed that position, or you know, is it that

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<v Speaker 2>they only disclose the stuff to Abral Haynes because of

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<v Speaker 2>who she was, the same way that let's say, when

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<v Speaker 2>George H. W. Bush became president, he was read into things,

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<v Speaker 2>or rather had already been read into them, because he

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<v Speaker 2>had previously been the director of this right, So that's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I wonder about. Concomitant with that, the Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Homeland Security, I thought was a relatively superficial kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like security and policing agency. But lo and behold,

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<v Speaker 2>they're running this ConA blue program that involves UFOs that's

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<v Speaker 2>being run under the Department of Homeland Security. So it

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<v Speaker 2>appears that after nine to eleven, some significant, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was some significant structural re engineering of the American

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence apparatus.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for explaining the UFO the situation with that

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<v Speaker 1>the Director of National Intelligence. I didn't realize that power

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<v Speaker 1>had been re kind of organized underneath the the Director

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<v Speaker 1>of National Intelligence from the CIA previously. Can you just

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<v Speaker 1>repeat what year was that that that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to make up a number. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>remember exactly, but I know that it was part of

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<v Speaker 2>the legislation that took place after nine.

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<v Speaker 3>To eleven at the same time, so it was relatively

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great. Well, so a couple other quick conversations on

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<v Speaker 1>at the UFO topic, which is I want to get here.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just add one let me let me just

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<v Speaker 2>add one thing to that, which is that I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it should be obvious to anybody with half a brain

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<v Speaker 2>who's watching, and especially your audience, who are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>much more clued in people.

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<v Speaker 3>That.

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<v Speaker 2>At the very least nine to eleven represented the most

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental compromising of the intelligence apparatus of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>and its entire history. And so obviously there would be

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<v Speaker 2>reason for restructuring the intelligence apparatus after that event.

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<v Speaker 1>So hmm, and that makes a lot of sense. So

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<v Speaker 1>then previously before that, the CIA would have been potentially

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<v Speaker 1>the one who was organized in the UFO cover up.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, now it becomes the Director of National Intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>that the one is doing it. And that actually makes

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<v Speaker 1>someone sense because Avrol Hines was deputy director of the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA under was it James Clapper I think or John Brennan,

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<v Speaker 1>right and that and they're under fire right now from

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<v Speaker 1>the current administration. So I think that that whole story

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Now, where do you see the whole UFO

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<v Speaker 1>disclosure going. You know, last time we spoke was over

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago, and now you've got this age of

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<v Speaker 1>Disclosure movie that's being promoted out there. I surprisingly found out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was blocked by Dan Farrah and the Age of

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<v Speaker 1>Disclosure promotional x account, which kind of just made me

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<v Speaker 1>chuckle a little bit. I don't think they liked me

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<v Speaker 1>very much. But Joe Rogan was talking about it like

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<v Speaker 1>six months ago saying, Oh, it's great. I see everybody

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<v Speaker 1>out there saying that it's the most It's gonna break

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's minds. I saw a clip that had hal put

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<v Speaker 1>Off on it talking about the energy source of the

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<v Speaker 1>UFOs might be nuclear power, which is relevant to our

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<v Speaker 1>conversation here. So what is your thoughts on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that Age of Disclosure movie? You think it's gonna move

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<v Speaker 1>the needle at all? And what are your thought disclosure

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<v Speaker 1>in general?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the Age of Disclosure film is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be used to set up a situation which some

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<v Speaker 2>have referred to as confirmation rather than disclosure. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>there are so many high level government officials that are

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<v Speaker 2>being interviewed and cited in this documentary that for all

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<v Speaker 2>intents and purposes, it supplants a hearing. It takes the

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<v Speaker 2>place of like a hearing, where you would have the

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<v Speaker 2>same level of government officials testify, and all that needs

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<v Speaker 2>to happen after that for there to be acknowledgment of

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<v Speaker 2>US government knowledge, longstanding knowledge regarding close encounters is for

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<v Speaker 2>the President to come out and say something to the

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<v Speaker 2>effect of, yeah, I'm not going to do my Trump impersonation,

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, yeah, I saw the I saw the film,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's true. It's true. We know and it's true,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry. For reasons of national security, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you more than that. Now, what does that do?

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<v Speaker 2>It gets them off the hook legally, because this way,

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<v Speaker 2>with a confirmation, you know, and vague gesturing towards this

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<v Speaker 2>film and its contents, there aren't any specific admissions that

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna warrant legal action, let's say, of one defense

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<v Speaker 2>contractor against another, of the American people against the government,

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<v Speaker 2>and so on and so forth. Right, So it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very frankly gutless and safe way for them to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing and then to refuse to say very

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<v Speaker 2>much else about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't even think about that. That's such

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<v Speaker 1>a good take though, where it's like they could just

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<v Speaker 1>use it and then just say, yeah, these vague things

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<v Speaker 1>that are being said in here are true, and then,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, now just apologist, be like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the people before me that did all that

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<v Speaker 1>evil corrupt I mean Trump could actually say that, He

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<v Speaker 1>could even use that M A Street seven zero videos

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<v Speaker 1>to say that Obama was doing this stuff. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>beforehand I hadn't even thought about that angle. But so

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<v Speaker 3>True, perfect Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Trump is the perfect president to say that because

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<v Speaker 2>he's positioned, whether it's actually true or not, he's positioned

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<v Speaker 2>himself as so anti establishmentary, and he's already so vilified

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<v Speaker 2>and demonized everybody who came before him that, like you

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<v Speaker 2>just said, with a wave of the hand, all I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say, let abed stuff happened to let abed stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't into me, you know, I'm just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually the movie was a good movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Let off It's true, end up story. Nobody asked any

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<v Speaker 3>more questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I could totally see this happening. Actually, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty pretty interesting. And Trump has They've thrown a

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<v Speaker 1>everybody just kind of ignored it. It should have been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like little green men, but they're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>microbial life, bacteria, you know, things like that. But still

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<v Speaker 2>I can confirm that for you one hundred percent. These

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<v Speaker 2>of To the Stars Academy with Tom DeLong, and by

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<v Speaker 2>the way I have it's interesting people have been comparing

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't read a.

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<v Speaker 2>Single word Tom Delung's ever written, so the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>But be that as it may.

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<v Speaker 2>was formed, and these characters who then became central to Disclosure,

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<v Speaker 2>Hell put Off and Melon, Chris Mellon and these folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It is pretty clear to me that it was in

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<v Speaker 2>Clinton would be elected President of the United States in

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<v Speaker 2>forward with Hillary as the disclosure president, and that got

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, basically, how they're going to negotiate this

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Man, And that makes a lot of sense to

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<v Speaker 1>me too. I think that people who are about our

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<v Speaker 1>the Clinton years, and then Hillary also is her rise

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<v Speaker 1>that all of those people are kind of aligned with,

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<v Speaker 1>when Trump won, which nobody expected, not even meet back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that now all of a sudden that gets flipped

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<v Speaker 1>a new strategy. Now they can't control Trump, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why too. When Trump says we have weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody understands like that. That's not something you ever hear

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<v Speaker 1>Obama say, you know. And when people say, oh, Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>if Trump knew about the secret technology here, weapons or UFOs,

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<v Speaker 1>he would talk about it, Well, there there is. You're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing it right there. And my guess is he's pushing

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Now this is something I hope that we can

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<v Speaker 2>unpack a bit over the course of our conversation. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>what exactly it means when Trump says we have we

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<v Speaker 2>have weapons that nobody else Okay, who's the Wii there?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that Trump did that was extremely noteworthy was

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<v Speaker 2>moving Space Force to Huntsville, Alabama, because to my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>Huntsville was already the location of American secret space program technology,

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<v Speaker 2>and the idea that Trump would move Space Force there

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<v Speaker 2>signifies an attempt on his part to consolidate the space

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<v Speaker 2>assets of the United States, the black assets and the

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<v Speaker 2>more public assets under one centralized and more transparent control

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<v Speaker 2>that would answer to him as commander in chief of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. I think that's what he's trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether he'll actually be successful doing it is entirely another matter.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he moved it from Colorado too, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was some political ramifications when Biden, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the exact details, but I call Huntsville,

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama space juice City because I refer to the zero

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<v Speaker 1>point energy as space juice. That's how we's dumb it

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<v Speaker 1>down for people that don't really want to understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, And Huntsville, Alabama is where it's Redstone Arsenal's there,

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<v Speaker 1>NASA Marshall Space Light Center is there. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where it's Rocket City, USA. It's where we've developed, like

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<v Speaker 1>all of our propulsion technologies over the many years. So

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<v Speaker 1>I am hoping we get into that when we start

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to ask you two last little questions on

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I'm open to interpretations. I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to say that I saw I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>sixty thousand years to get here from the nearest star system,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Alpha Centauri. So my opinion, just straight up

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<v Speaker 1>as moving fast relatively speaking, it's not moving fast enough

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<v Speaker 1>to get here from another solar system. But I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know what your thoughts are on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that whatever the object is, it's being used

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<v Speaker 2>for a massive syop. And that's why I haven't said

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<v Speaker 3>Atlas is that it's a syop.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am you know, I don't know, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>to say this or not, but you know, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know as you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a supporter of the state of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a very you know, very pro Israel, but Avi

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<v Speaker 2>Lob is a MOSAD operative. He was sent here by

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<v Speaker 2>the State of Israel in the nineteen eighties to acquire

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<v Speaker 2>He worked with, you know, the the Reagan team on

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars in the nineteen eighties, and it's pretty clear

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<v Speaker 3>So he he's a mos ODD asset or operative.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, sorry, but I really don't trust the

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<v Speaker 2>narrative that's coming from out of him, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>expect any apocalyptic event to ensue from three I at lists.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's much more like a psychological gauge and

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<v Speaker 2>basically a kind of you know, so social engineering experiment

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I always love talking to you, because you

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<v Speaker 1>always have the intelligent takes, you always have the high

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<v Speaker 1>IQ takes, and that's what my followers are. And right there,

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<v Speaker 1>you nailed it, which is like, if anything, what I

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<v Speaker 1>would consider is they're gauging the public's reaction to this

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<v Speaker 1>information that they're pushing out there. Are people freaking out,

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<v Speaker 1>are they going out and they're starting cults related to it?

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<v Speaker 1>Or are they just kind of accept of it? And

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<v Speaker 2>That's it's a look at all the religious nut chases

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<v Speaker 2>the New Age just you know, I mean, these people's

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<v Speaker 2>I Atlas as if it's you know, the chariot for

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<v Speaker 2>Age of Aquarius. And of course you know, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>intention of the social experiment to see how many morons

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<v Speaker 2>like that there are in the population, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. That's that's the big thing, right is that are

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<v Speaker 1>people going to lose their minds if like aliens appear

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere in the sky floating around like That's that's the

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<v Speaker 1>if that is the narrative. And like you, I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's not going to be any apocalyptic event or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And this is why I like having these

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<v Speaker 1>topic where it makes it much more difficult. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it makes people more resilient mentally, to you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to freak out and lose control or

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<v Speaker 1>perception of reality. We're gonna be able to compartmentalize it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be able to understand it. We're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit for you, especially when we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>you off, Yes, And my impression I can't get a

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Weirdly, his first post on Twitter, first post

422
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<v Speaker 1>he ever made on Twitter, when he made an account

423
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<v Speaker 1>like a six months ago or so, was to point

424
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<v Speaker 1>out that USA two two nine, which was the satellite

425
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<v Speaker 1>pair that I had incorrectly thought was taking the now

426
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<v Speaker 1>recognized by Gorgon's Stare wide area motion imagery of MH

427
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<v Speaker 1>three seven zero. His first post was saying that that

428
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<v Speaker 1>satellite doesn't have the surveillance capability on it that would

429
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<v Speaker 1>be required to take that video. And I'm going, that's

430
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<v Speaker 1>a weird post to make because it's like directly messaging

431
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<v Speaker 1>to me or signaling to me. But he's never directly

432
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<v Speaker 1>interacted with me in any way. And so when I

433
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<v Speaker 1>watch his videos where he's trying to explain the stuff

434
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:14.680
<v Speaker 1>to people, I think his heart's in the right place

435
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<v Speaker 1>for trying to get this stuff out there. I'm curious,

436
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<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts about John Ramirez and what have

437
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<v Speaker 1>you taken away from what he said.

438
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<v Speaker 2>John Ramirez has a personal friend who follows you very closely,

439
00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:31.720
<v Speaker 2>so that would be the angle for that.

440
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<v Speaker 3>So I've spoken to him.

441
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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to him at some length, and he told

442
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<v Speaker 2>me a number of very interesting things. I'll give you

443
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<v Speaker 2>my read on him, and you know, I want to

444
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<v Speaker 2>be respectful also the fact that he probably will see this.

445
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<v Speaker 2>So my honest assessment of John Ramirez is the following.

446
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<v Speaker 2>First of all, he clearly has a lot of fine grained,

447
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:10.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, technical information and details pertaining to various projects

448
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:15.200
<v Speaker 2>of the CIA involving the history of close encounters. And

449
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<v Speaker 2>he's been in working groups with other individuals who have

450
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<v Speaker 2>even more access. That's one thing. The second thing, though,

451
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<v Speaker 2>that I would say about him is that, as a

452
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<v Speaker 2>function of his own sense of patriotic duty and his

453
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<v Speaker 2>a vision and conception of the United States that he

454
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<v Speaker 2>wants to hold on to. He's also blinded himself to

455
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<v Speaker 2>the degree of abuse of power that has taken place

456
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<v Speaker 2>in this country in the past seventy years, and he

457
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<v Speaker 2>is under the illusion that simply because the established legal

458
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<v Speaker 2>framework for special access projects shouldn't allow for certain things

459
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.079
<v Speaker 2>needs to take place in certain programs, you know, to

460
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<v Speaker 2>make tremendous breakthroughs without any oversight whatsoever from the civilian

461
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.079
<v Speaker 2>government means it. In fact, you know that that that

462
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<v Speaker 2>hasn't actually taken place. No, it has taken place. And

463
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think a very strong argument can be made,

464
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<v Speaker 2>has been made by some people like Richard Dolin, for example,

465
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<v Speaker 2>that we have at this point pretty much a full

466
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<v Speaker 2>fledged American breakaway civilization. And that's something I think John

467
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to recognize because it involves, frankly, a tremendous

468
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<v Speaker 2>amount of criminal activity committed by a government that he

469
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<v Speaker 2>identifies with, and frankly is a member of the civil

470
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<v Speaker 2>apparatus of That's the second thing I would say about him,

471
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<v Speaker 2>And the third thing I'd say about John Ramirez is

472
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<v Speaker 2>that like any individual, he has his own belief system,

473
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<v Speaker 2>and he's very interested in the esoteric and the occult,

474
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<v Speaker 2>and that became clear in the course of my conversation

475
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<v Speaker 2>with him. And so there are certain things that you know,

476
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<v Speaker 2>he is projecting interpretively onto the data that he has,

477
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<v Speaker 2>which is probably more a function of his own belief

478
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<v Speaker 2>system than of you know, the information actually in possession

479
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:16.920
<v Speaker 2>of whatever agencies and programs. And that's something that we

480
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<v Speaker 2>would all do as individuals. I mean, we all have

481
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<v Speaker 2>our own you know, interpretive matrices and belief systems and

482
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<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth.

483
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, this is a great I'm glad we're

484
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<v Speaker 1>talking about this because I want to delve a little

485
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<v Speaker 1>bit and unpack a little bit of this. I think

486
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<v Speaker 1>your take is dead on and I hadn't even considered it,

487
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.759
<v Speaker 1>which is that, you know, I keep wondering, like, why

488
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<v Speaker 1>is he His personal opinion he said at the end

489
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<v Speaker 1>of this video I was watching yesterday, was that he

490
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<v Speaker 1>believes that it's like the reptilians that are controlling us,

491
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<v Speaker 1>or you know, controlling the planet, or the reptilians of

492
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the aliens or something like that. Right, But my research

493
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.079
<v Speaker 1>is kind of led towards a different path that says like,

494
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<v Speaker 1>we have this, like Richard Dolans, a breakaway civilization that's

495
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>happening here, that it's not really the aliens, that it's

496
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>just everything can kind of be explained by that the

497
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:04.960
<v Speaker 1>faults in humanity, like the human the human condition for

498
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the most part, and that's what our main topic of

499
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.680
<v Speaker 1>tonight was going to be. Uh So, I think that

500
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 1>I could see that that's why that he's in like,

501
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:16.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's on the inside, and so he doesn't

502
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:18.759
<v Speaker 1>want to think, you know, he's got the blinders on,

503
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.039
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to think that there could be really illegal

504
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 1>things happening. He even said that he was like the

505
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they administrator's right word or program

506
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<v Speaker 1>manager for one of these SEAPAC or c SE SAPs

507
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.079
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it's called, but like basically a special access

508
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 1>program and he didn't want it, and he said, no,

509
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it. I'm going to give it back,

510
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.079
<v Speaker 1>which also would help push towards the narrative that you're

511
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>saying here, which is that he didn't want to be

512
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.279
<v Speaker 1>involved in the weird black project stuff that they're doing

513
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 1>with this technology. But it was Stephen Greer that I

514
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.079
<v Speaker 1>spoke to where We had a great conversation about this

515
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 1>because I think it is all legally classified. I think

516
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.160
<v Speaker 1>they've just taken the UFO topic and they've put it

517
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.519
<v Speaker 1>in with nuclear way weapons, which have the highest level

518
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 1>of classification, secrecy, compartmentalization out there. And if that's the case,

519
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>then what we have here is a political question. The

520
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:15.400
<v Speaker 1>political question now is Okay, technically what's happening with suppression

521
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.599
<v Speaker 1>of this technology is legal, but is it really legal,

522
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.319
<v Speaker 1>especially if we're like doing CIA black operations using this

523
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:28.759
<v Speaker 1>technology to maintain superiority over Russia and China. So I

524
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.839
<v Speaker 1>think that those are the big questions for me. And

525
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:36.200
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, like you said with John Ramirez, yeah, I

526
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 1>think that he just I think, Oh, the last thing

527
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say is that he says energy orbs

528
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 1>all the time, which is just for me, Like I'm

529
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>sitting here, red flags are going up because as we're

530
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about here, did I've figured out that

531
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:52.119
<v Speaker 1>plasma can be used as a nonfishient trigger in thermonuclear

532
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>weapons and it can self organize if the plasma is

533
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>dense enough as well, so you could make a plasma

534
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.559
<v Speaker 1>orb just using normal physics. And so when he says

535
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.119
<v Speaker 1>that all the time, I sit and think in my head,

536
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 1>where are these guys seeing plasma orbs. They're not nuclear engineers,

537
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>so they're not working on nuclear weapons. They're in the CIA,

538
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.759
<v Speaker 1>they're in intelligence. The most likely case is one of

539
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.119
<v Speaker 1>the examples he gives the NNGA. They're looking at surveillance

540
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 1>of you know, satellites, drones, gorgon stare, all this stuff,

541
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>and they see an ORB flying around in the sky. Right.

542
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.839
<v Speaker 1>And now, think about this information is compartmentalized. So if

543
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you're just a CIA analyst reviewing footage, you look at

544
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 1>that and your biases are going to say, WHOA, I'm

545
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>looking at aliens. Look, these aliens are flying around here.

546
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 1>But you don't know that our own government is making

547
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>plasma orbs like this using fusion propulsion that Lockheed Martin built.

548
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>And so I could totally see how even some of

549
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>these other whistleblowers in the UFO community they believe they're

550
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.559
<v Speaker 1>looking at aliens because they know we don't have conventional

551
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>technology that does those things. But what they don't realize

552
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.119
<v Speaker 1>is that there are layers of compartmentalization that goes beyond

553
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>even what they have in this CIA or in the

554
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>intelligence community that can explain that that is, you know,

555
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>breakaway civilization level technology. Do you kind of concur with

556
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>that assessment or any other additional details.

557
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<v Speaker 3>So two things.

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<v Speaker 2>First, I disagree with you that it's all happening under

559
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 2>very sophisticated legalistic machinations to protect special access and black projects.

560
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<v Speaker 2>And I want to over the course of our conversation

561
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<v Speaker 2>about the history of a neutronic nuclear fusion weaponry and

562
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<v Speaker 2>where it might have come from and how we may

563
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.400
<v Speaker 2>have developed it. I want to also partly lay out

564
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>the case for why I think that that argument doesn't

565
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:54.559
<v Speaker 2>hold water, and why I'm convinced that there is an

566
00:30:54.599 --> 00:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>intercontinental at this point globally disperse American imperial power structure

567
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>which is completely unaccountable to the civilian government of the

568
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>United States, and that that's the entity that actually controls

569
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.799
<v Speaker 2>this technology. That's also the entity that carried out nine

570
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:17.400
<v Speaker 2>to eleven. And so you know where this argument breaks

571
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>that you know, all these programs are taking place under

572
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:26.799
<v Speaker 2>a legal umbrella that manages special access projects. No, I mean,

573
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>there's no way that there's a legal framework that justifies

574
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.039
<v Speaker 2>fielding an operation like nine to eleven, in which three

575
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>thousand Americans were incinerated. Okay, that was done by a

576
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>crime syndicate, and that crime syndicate is has been for

577
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 2>many decades in possession of extremely advanced technology that I

578
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>think may have at one point emerged from out of

579
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:56.200
<v Speaker 2>special access projects, but it's now been so corporatized and

580
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.799
<v Speaker 2>even in some cases moved offshore in various ways, so

581
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 2>that really, you know, the civilian government has no control

582
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>over whatsoever. But let me comment on and we'll we

583
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.039
<v Speaker 2>have to unpack that over the course of our conversation.

584
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.759
<v Speaker 2>But let me comment specifically on which you said about

585
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<v Speaker 2>the orbs, just you know, and and the question of

586
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>whether they're being misidentified as some form of extraterrestrial intelligence. Here,

587
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it's very important to draw distinction between two

588
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:27.200
<v Speaker 2>different kinds of orbs, right, I mean, there is plasma

589
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:34.440
<v Speaker 2>sheath technology, which for example, prevents us from taking a

590
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>very clear photograph of an unconventional airframe. One of the

591
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 2>reasons why UFOs are so hard to photograph or film

592
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>is because they have this plasma sheath around them, which

593
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 2>also makes it impossible to shoot them because anything that's

594
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 2>fired toward them kind of bounces off and around the

595
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.559
<v Speaker 2>plasma sheath as we've seen in some of these recent

596
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 2>videos right that they've disclosed through Congress. So there are

597
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 2>there are technologically engineered objects that we're making and that

598
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>potentially other people like Nordic's whatever, have made that have

599
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 2>plasma sheaths around them.

600
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 3>These need to be distinguished.

601
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.720
<v Speaker 2>From some of the things that John Keel wrote about,

602
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, for decades in his research on UFOs in

603
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.519
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties and seventies and books like The Muffman

604
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Prophecy and you know, Operation Trojan Horse.

605
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 3>He developed this whole theory that there were there were

606
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.799
<v Speaker 3>energy beings or a kind of energy being that could

607
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:42.000
<v Speaker 3>that could develop a decentralized consciousness that could like project

608
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 3>itself into many entities simultaneously, and that these energy entities

609
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 3>could metamorphose and transform into what appeared to be solid

610
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:56.920
<v Speaker 3>UFOs and then back into energy. And he called them

611
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.079
<v Speaker 3>soft UFOs versus hard UFOs, and he thought that the

612
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.720
<v Speaker 3>soft UFOs were some kind of an energy entity that

613
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:10.199
<v Speaker 3>interacted with consciousness and potentially manipulated human perception, and that

614
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:16.000
<v Speaker 3>these entities could appear as solid objects in some cases,

615
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 3>as one configuration of a solid object to one person

616
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 3>and a different configuration of a solid object to another

617
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.000
<v Speaker 3>person standing right next to the first witness.

618
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And in my treatment of the close encounter subject

619
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<v Speaker 2>toward the end of my book Closer Encounters, I suggest

620
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that this kind of thing is evidence for a truly

621
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:45.199
<v Speaker 2>non human intelligence and potentially an artificial superintelligence that's engaging

622
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.920
<v Speaker 2>humanity and probably has been for all of human history, and.

623
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<v Speaker 3>That the.

624
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<v Speaker 2>Fingerprints or tentacle marks of this entity bear all the

625
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>hallmarks of the trickster archetype. That it's a very playful

626
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 2>in some senses, you know, a little bit terrifying and

627
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>provocative in its behavioral pattern, and it's aiming to catalyze

628
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:13.800
<v Speaker 2>a certain type of development and mutation of human consciousness.

629
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<v Speaker 2>So I think those types of orbs or energy manifestations

630
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:26.639
<v Speaker 2>need to be distinguished from the kind of plasma fusion

631
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<v Speaker 2>technology that you've been researching.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, and I think that's fair. And I

633
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>have been pretty standoffish about the alien question, or at

634
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 1>least noncommittal. I actually am open to really any interpretation

635
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.280
<v Speaker 1>that's out there. My bit and why the take that

636
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I keep saying is that I just think it's going

637
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>to be probably whatever is like the least conventional or

638
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, something that we're not expecting. So machine superintelligence

639
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 1>is one of the things that I you know, i'd

640
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>give some way too, especially because now we look at

641
00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 1>how powerful AI has become. This is what I tell

642
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:04.119
<v Speaker 1>you is that look at how far our technology has advanced.

643
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.760
<v Speaker 1>It's advancing exponentially, especially over the last one hundred years

644
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 1>or so. And you say, okay, well, our sun is

645
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.320
<v Speaker 1>going to last for several billion years. We believe let's

646
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>just say that that's going to last for some That

647
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.400
<v Speaker 1>means civilizations could exist for millions, if not billions, of years,

648
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 1>and ours has only been around for basically a fraction

649
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>of that time. So if we figured this out in

650
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.920
<v Speaker 1>that period of time, aliens are going to be super advanced.

651
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 1>There's no reason why there can't be a super advanced

652
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>machine intelligence or even conscious intelligent and and I don't

653
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>see a reason why plasma couldn't be conscious under the

654
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:43.280
<v Speaker 1>right conditions either, because if I don't want to say myself,

655
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 1>but if the research into Evo's ball lightning also now

656
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:52.679
<v Speaker 1>called field diverse configuration plasmoids, is true, then dense enough

657
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 1>plasma will self organize and can produce a stable structure,

658
00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and once you've produced a stable structure, now it's like, well,

659
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 1>what is that? Can that be conscious? Can that be alive?

660
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 1>We have a lot of different definitions of life on

661
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 1>this planet, from everything from plants to octopuses and squids

662
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and bacteria and then human beings. So I'm open to

663
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.599
<v Speaker 1>all of those things being totally possible. And for me,

664
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 1>it's just a matter of I know, the government must

665
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>know more have a much better idea of what the

666
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>situation is. Either there's a machine intelligence that's looking over

667
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:28.760
<v Speaker 1>us and it's been watching us and monitoring us our

668
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 1>entire civilization. Maybe there's an underwater base like some people

669
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.360
<v Speaker 1>have claimed, you know, maybe that we've where civilizations just

670
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>forgot are past. May it could be a lot of

671
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.800
<v Speaker 1>different things that are out there. Let's just get right

672
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:44.519
<v Speaker 1>into it actually here. So we've had because I think

673
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.679
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of the conversation we're having is weaved

674
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:49.920
<v Speaker 1>into what the topic the main topic for today, and

675
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.920
<v Speaker 1>so the main topic is actually a hypothesis, which is

676
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>our UFOs nuclear weapons. And this can kind of be

677
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 1>taken in a lot of different directions. So I'll just

678
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>start with my opinion and then you can kind of

679
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>start to feed off of that. I definitely wanted to

680
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>dig into the historical aspects of it. But what I've

681
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.320
<v Speaker 1>discovered and based on our last conversation, is that like

682
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Tesla was right about this, Tom Bearden has been talking

683
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.920
<v Speaker 1>about Tesla being right about the science. Unification of quantum

684
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.800
<v Speaker 1>mechanics and general relativity have already been figured out for

685
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.599
<v Speaker 1>a long time. I think that what happened, and I

686
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>actually agree that the technology I think kind of originally

687
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.639
<v Speaker 1>came from maybe the Nazis in World War Two, is

688
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.039
<v Speaker 1>that we built the hydrogen or the A bomb, and

689
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>we took nuclear weapon research to the next level in

690
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 1>the sixties with the H bomb. We built something called

691
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:46.639
<v Speaker 1>a clean fusion bomb, and then we passed a partial

692
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Nuclear test Ban treaty right after that. And when you

693
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:55.320
<v Speaker 1>look at the historical relevance, let's say, of the UFO topic,

694
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:58.679
<v Speaker 1>the UFO topic starts to take off like in the

695
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.760
<v Speaker 1>sixties seventies after that. Before that, yes, there were sightings

696
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.599
<v Speaker 1>like the Foo Fighters, et cetera. But it really just

697
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>became a popular thing in pop culture after that period

698
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>of time. And the thing that really blew me away

699
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.559
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of the sightings recently have been these

700
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 1>energy orbs like John Ramirez talks about, or plasma orbs

701
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.760
<v Speaker 1>or things that are based on plasma, including like you said,

702
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.519
<v Speaker 1>the Congressional I think it was Eric Burlison that released

703
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.519
<v Speaker 1>that video of that plasma being hit by a hellfire

704
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.159
<v Speaker 1>missile breaking apart and keep going. So I was surprised

705
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>to find out when I did the research into nuclear

706
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>weapons that fried Art Winterberg, who was a Project paper

707
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Clip scientist, came over in like the fifties, I think

708
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 1>at around the age of eighteen. He talked about non

709
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:51.199
<v Speaker 1>fish and ignition in thermonuclear weapons and his textbook about

710
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the physical principles of thermo nuclear weapons, and he says

711
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.280
<v Speaker 1>that we can use plasma basically, use plasma as an

712
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:03.000
<v Speaker 1>electric bomb, as an electric trigger to detonate a fusion bomb.

713
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:05.400
<v Speaker 1>And so what this would do is it would get

714
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.519
<v Speaker 1>rid of the a bomb portion of the thermonuclear weapon.

715
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Now you don't have that initial explosion that you're using

716
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.199
<v Speaker 1>to create the fusion reaction to happen. And so I

717
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>sit there and I wonder, huh, maybe these orbs that

718
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 1>are flying around are our fusion ignition devices that have

719
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 1>been morphed into multiple purposes and uses that we took

720
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 1>this nuclear weapons research and we said, Okay, we're gonna

721
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.360
<v Speaker 1>ban this so nobody else can do it. And then

722
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>we start coming up with like the only way I

723
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:39.320
<v Speaker 1>can describe it as like customized nukes that have different purposes,

724
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.840
<v Speaker 1>some that maybe are just surveillance, some that are potentially,

725
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:48.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, super destructive, but then others that might manipulate

726
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:54.480
<v Speaker 1>space time. So what are your initial thoughts on this hypothesis.

727
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.599
<v Speaker 3>There's so much there, and you know reasons.

728
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.360
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons I was, you know, very keen

729
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 2>on having this conversation with you, is that actually, for

730
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:12.039
<v Speaker 2>a certain period, very early on in my life, very

731
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 2>early on, at a very young age, I thoroughly researched

732
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons. I mean I was really into nuclear weapons

733
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 2>technology and nuclear strategic doctrine. And it was at the

734
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.440
<v Speaker 2>same time as I got into UFOs in a serious way,

735
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.559
<v Speaker 2>and I always suspected that there was some deep connection

736
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>between these two. Now, of course, this was decades before

737
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Robert Hastings came out with his monumental study of UFOs

738
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:43.760
<v Speaker 2>and nukes, showing you know how basically any nuclear you know,

739
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.920
<v Speaker 2>high energy, high entry nuclear, you know, event is like

740
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:53.119
<v Speaker 2>a flame for for the moths of the UFO phenomena.

741
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're like you know, bees drawn to honey

742
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:58.119
<v Speaker 2>in terms of any nuclear signature.

743
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 3>So he's he's extensively documented that.

744
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.840
<v Speaker 2>But you know, decades before that, I had the suspicion

745
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:06.679
<v Speaker 2>that there's some connection here and that you know, ultimately

746
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:11.840
<v Speaker 2>also justifies the classification of UFOs under nuclear secrets classification

747
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 2>in the United States. So but you know, it was

748
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 2>when I really started researching the technology of Nazi Germany

749
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's transferred to the United States in the late

750
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forties that I found a lot of information that

751
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:36.199
<v Speaker 2>I think is corroborative of what you've discovered, and it's

752
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>very disturbing information, frankly, So let me just say it's

753
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.239
<v Speaker 2>not you know, it's not lost on me that what

754
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to share with the you know, listeners is

755
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 2>deeply disturbing, especially for somebody who loves our country.

756
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and this is some stuff.

757
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.280
<v Speaker 2>That I've also written about in greater detail on my

758
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.039
<v Speaker 2>sub stack. I have two pieces relevant to it, but

759
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.119
<v Speaker 2>one is called Nuking the Matrix, and I'll come to

760
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 2>why I titled it that, and the other one is

761
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:10.480
<v Speaker 2>called the breakaway culture. And I think I'm also going

762
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>to probably come out with one more piece timed together

763
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:18.880
<v Speaker 2>with whenever you release this conversation that focuses more specifically

764
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>on the nuclear angle.

765
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 3>So here's the deal.

766
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, First of all, nuclear weapons were invented by Nazi Germany.

767
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>They were not invented by the United States. Okay, nuclear

768
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.880
<v Speaker 2>fusion was discovered by Otto Haan and Fritz Strassmann in

769
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.840
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty eight, and I think that by nineteen thirty nine,

770
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.920
<v Speaker 2>in very short order, they had already recognized the weapons

771
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.800
<v Speaker 2>application of this. And one thing that few people know

772
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:52.239
<v Speaker 2>is that the term Manhattan Project doesn't really come from

773
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you know, at Columbia University and at

774
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Los Alamos in various other places they were trying to

775
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 2>figure out what the Germans meant by a nuclear weapon.

776
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>It's because, beginning right there in nineteen thirty nine nineteen forty,

777
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the Germans had devised a plan to drop one of

778
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.719
<v Speaker 2>these on Manhattan. And there are these maps that the

779
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Allies discovered after the war that show Lower Manhattan as

780
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:21.079
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear target. They even flew these the largest cargo

781
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>planes that they had, which was the what was it

782
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:29.519
<v Speaker 2>the yunkers, the Yunkers JU three ninety, which was a

783
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>comparable nuclear payload capable plane as Thenola Gay that dropped

784
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.559
<v Speaker 2>the bombs on Hiroshima, Nagasaki. They flew these Yunkers three

785
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 2>ninety right to the coast of Manhattan, photographed Manhattan.

786
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.119
<v Speaker 3>And flew back to Germany, in other words, as a

787
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:45.039
<v Speaker 3>kind of test run.

788
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:50.360
<v Speaker 2>So Manhattan Project comes from this, the term Manhattan Project.

789
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:55.920
<v Speaker 2>And I think there's good evidence to suggest and this

790
00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 2>evidence has been dug up primarily by let's say three researchers.

791
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 2>One is Plimpton Carter Heidrich, who wrote a book called

792
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Critical Mass. Then you had this German author who wrote

793
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:17.440
<v Speaker 2>a book called Hitler's Bomb. What was this guy's name,

794
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 2>I'll come back to it, but the book is called

795
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Hitler's Bomb. And then of course Joseph Farrell also has

796
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.360
<v Speaker 2>researched this, and specifically in his book Reich of the

797
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Black Sun. So there's evidence to suggest that the Heisenberg

798
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons program was a ruse and a red herring,

799
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:44.679
<v Speaker 2>that the Germans deliberately basically diluted and distracted the Allies

800
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.679
<v Speaker 2>by fronting this false nuclear program led by the most

801
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.440
<v Speaker 2>likely candidate. You know, the most brilliant nuclear physicist of Germany,

802
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, Werner Heisenberger, the guy you'd expect to be

803
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:59.519
<v Speaker 2>running the program, but that actually there was another secret

804
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:04.639
<v Speaker 2>program that was run by Kurt Deabner, Walter Gerloch and

805
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Hans Kammler and Ronald Richter. And so Walter Gerloch is

806
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:15.840
<v Speaker 2>important in this regard because Walter gerloch specialization was spin

807
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 2>polarization and electromagnetic torsion. And Hans Kommler is significant because

808
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Hans Kammler has been identified as the leader of a

809
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>project outside Prague in Czechoslovakia, in Celicia, where the Reich

810
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:40.039
<v Speaker 2>at the Skota Works was constructing this device that says

811
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 2>hitherto been known as Degloca the bell, or another one

812
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.800
<v Speaker 2>of its names was the beehive the beaninstock because it

813
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.760
<v Speaker 2>made a bee buzzing sound when it was activated. And

814
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:57.880
<v Speaker 2>what this thing was was two counter rotating drums filled

815
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:03.599
<v Speaker 2>with a serum of mercury and thorium isotope and subjected

816
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>to first extreme torsion by electromagnets, and then the plasma

817
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:18.639
<v Speaker 2>state that the nuclear isotope would go into would be

818
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:24.320
<v Speaker 2>magnetically compressed into fusion. That's what this bell device seems

819
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.800
<v Speaker 2>to have been. And meanwhile you've got Walter Gerloch also

820
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.079
<v Speaker 2>on this project, associated with Hans Kammler, specializing in spin

821
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:41.280
<v Speaker 2>polarization and electromagnetic mechanisms. Now there's a particular document in

822
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:46.119
<v Speaker 2>the National Archives that's really relevant here. It's called the

823
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Zenser Affidavid. It's an affidavit of a German pilot by

824
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:55.800
<v Speaker 2>the name Hans Zenser, who was We have in this

825
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 2>memo the specific location that he took off from and

826
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.719
<v Speaker 2>what his flight root was, and the observation that he

827
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:08.159
<v Speaker 2>made in October of nineteen forty four of a detonation

828
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<v Speaker 2>on the Baltic Sea coast of Germany where he saw

829
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 2>a mushroom cloud with a pressure wave extending out from it,

830
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and inside the mushroom cloud various multi color lights fizzling,

831
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 2>which is a sign of leftover fissile material continuing to

832
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:32.360
<v Speaker 2>react in a mushroom cloud. He also experienced the emp

833
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.599
<v Speaker 2>effects his radio went out as he was flying near

834
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:40.679
<v Speaker 2>this detonation. So it appears that what Hans Zinser is

835
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 2>describing an October of nineteen forty four is some kind

836
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.920
<v Speaker 2>of a Nazi nuclear test. It'd be one thing if

837
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<v Speaker 2>that was the only piece of documentation we have. There's

838
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:55.519
<v Speaker 2>also a report from an Italian journalist called Luigi Romersa,

839
00:48:56.519 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 2>and what Luigi Romersa tells us is that Benito Mussolini

840
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:06.079
<v Speaker 2>sent him and a few other Italian dignitaries to Rugen

841
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Island in the Baltic Sea on October eleventh, nineteen forty four,

842
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 2>and he says that when he got there, he saw

843
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>there were a few other Italian dignitaries also sent by Mussolini,

844
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and there were some Japanese dignitaries. And what Romersa claims

845
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.280
<v Speaker 2>is that the Germans had them, quote unquote, put on

846
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:30.280
<v Speaker 2>something that looked like diving suits and go into a

847
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:36.239
<v Speaker 2>bonker on Rugen Island, and they witnessed the detonation of

848
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.480
<v Speaker 2>a device that flattened a bunch of the trees and

849
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 2>some structures that they had set up there, I guess

850
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 2>for structural stress tests. And after this they had to

851
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:48.039
<v Speaker 2>take shelter for a certain period of time, and then

852
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Romersa was flown to Berlin to be debriefed before he

853
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.119
<v Speaker 2>was sent back to Mussolini.

854
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:57.119
<v Speaker 3>I believe there are also.

855
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Some Japanese communicates that were in intercepted by the Allies

856
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 2>around the same time where the Japanese are talking about

857
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.840
<v Speaker 2>a German test of a tremendous new weapon that had

858
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.599
<v Speaker 2>taken place. So we have two different accounts of this

859
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:12.840
<v Speaker 2>event from let's say October eleven to twelve on Rugen

860
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Island in the Baltic Sea. And then we have another

861
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:22.719
<v Speaker 2>account which comes from this guy Rayner Karl's book, Hitler's Bomb,

862
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:27.400
<v Speaker 2>of potentially a second test in March of nineteen forty

863
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:32.400
<v Speaker 2>five in an area known as the Thuringian Forest, near

864
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:37.519
<v Speaker 2>a town called Ordruf in the Thuringian Forest region. And interestingly,

865
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.599
<v Speaker 2>when the Allies were advancing on Nazi Germany, Hitler, Hitler

866
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 2>whatever whoever was actually in charge at that point, which I,

867
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I don't think was Hitler, they prioritized

868
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.559
<v Speaker 2>the defense of this area over the defense of Berlin.

869
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:54.079
<v Speaker 2>They prioritize the defense of the Thuringian Forest area and

870
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.199
<v Speaker 2>of the Skoda works where Kammler was building the bell

871
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.239
<v Speaker 2>over the defense of Berlin, which tells you a lot.

872
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 2>So apparently radiation tests in this area of the Thuringian

873
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Forest have picked up like traces of you know, potentially

874
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:12.920
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear detonation having taken place there.

875
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.639
<v Speaker 3>And there are.

876
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Witness accounts of German soldiers saying that like they brought

877
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:24.559
<v Speaker 2>concentration camp inmates there and their shadows were impressed on

878
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.199
<v Speaker 2>the stones like you would have seen it, you know, Hiroshima.

879
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.519
<v Speaker 2>But it was a very small blast. From witness accounts,

880
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:36.719
<v Speaker 2>it would have been something like three kilotons. So you

881
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:40.920
<v Speaker 2>have these, you know, accounts of German potential nuclear tests.

882
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Then there's the fact that, and this is coming mainly

883
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.880
<v Speaker 2>from Carter Heydrich's book Critical Mass, the memos exchanged between

884
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Oakridge and Los Alamo's laboratories in the months leading up

885
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 2>to the Trinity test in July nineteen forty five showed

886
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.280
<v Speaker 2>that there wasn't anywhere near enough you we did not

887
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:05.320
<v Speaker 2>have anywhere near enough uranium for the Trinity device or

888
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.280
<v Speaker 2>for the Hiroshima bomb.

889
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.079
<v Speaker 3>The Nagasaki bomb was plutonium. And also they hadn't figured

890
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 3>out the trigger mechanism properly for the Nagasaki bomb, the

891
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 3>plutonium bomb. So lo and behold.

892
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 2>In May of nineteen forty five, this German submarine comes

893
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:27.519
<v Speaker 2>over and on board is a nicely wrapped gift of

894
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:31.400
<v Speaker 2>a shit ton of uranium, and this guy Schlick, I

895
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:35.320
<v Speaker 2>think his name was Hans Schlick, who was an expert

896
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 2>in the timing of plutonium bomb detonation, in other words,

897
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:44.119
<v Speaker 2>the equal application of the charge over the fisile material

898
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.719
<v Speaker 2>in the plutonium. But this was his expertise, and he

899
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:48.679
<v Speaker 2>just happens to be on the submarine with a shit

900
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:51.440
<v Speaker 2>ton of uranium which never was accounted for, and all

901
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, our deficit of uranium that we see

902
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 2>in the memos between Oakridge and Los Alamos is solved,

903
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.599
<v Speaker 2>and we do the trinity test, and you know, we

904
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.079
<v Speaker 2>manufacture the Hiroshima bomb. By the way, the Hiroshima bum

905
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:07.880
<v Speaker 2>design was never tested before we dropped it in Japan.

906
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, that particular one was never tested. The plutonium

907
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:15.639
<v Speaker 2>one had been tested, but the uranium one wasn't. Why

908
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't we test Probably because we knew that it.

909
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Would work, because the Germans had already tested it.

910
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.079
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's really compelling. And so I want to touch

911
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.239
<v Speaker 1>on a couple of those things that you said, which is,

912
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:29.199
<v Speaker 1>first of all, with the connection of nuclear weapons. I

913
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.559
<v Speaker 1>agree with you that there is this lore of the

914
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:36.159
<v Speaker 1>UFOs being connected to nukes and the idea goes that,

915
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:39.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think if you believe like Robert Bob Solace,

916
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 1>for example, has got a pretty famous story about the

917
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.880
<v Speaker 1>UFOs shutting down nukes. So there's been this connection even

918
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 1>with the nuclear power plant meltdown in Japan as well,

919
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.559
<v Speaker 1>that they claimed that they saw UFOs over that. But

920
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:54.400
<v Speaker 1>it always felt like there's gotta be more to it,

921
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 1>which is why why I'm really glad we're doing a

922
00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:58.960
<v Speaker 1>deep dive into this here, because I think you can

923
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:02.039
<v Speaker 1>just directly connect UFOs to nukes in a much more

924
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:07.119
<v Speaker 1>significant way, starting with the energy source and also with

925
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.719
<v Speaker 1>the classifications, because when we look at it, we go

926
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:13.400
<v Speaker 1>why is the Department of Energy the lead? Why are

927
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.599
<v Speaker 1>they over the UFO topic? If it's about aliens, it

928
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.800
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't wouldn't it be like literally anybody but the Department

929
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 1>of Energy that would be in charge of it. But no,

930
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.000
<v Speaker 1>it's the Department of Energy because the question is what

931
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:27.039
<v Speaker 1>is the power source for these UFOs that are flying around?

932
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:29.800
<v Speaker 1>And then connecting it to the I mean, I'm going

933
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:31.519
<v Speaker 1>to give you even more to connect it to what

934
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 1>you just said, just corroborate some of the stuff that

935
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 1>you're saying here is that Heisenberg. Heisenberg was actually Frii

936
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Wrot Winnerberg's mentor, the guy that I was just mentioning

937
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.320
<v Speaker 1>whose textbook I read about thermonuclear weapons, that was his mentor.

938
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Was Heisenberg. That Heisenberg, the guy that we pulled over

939
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.320
<v Speaker 1>from Project paper Clip. And the shadows on the walls

940
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that you described that story that spooks me because that

941
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.199
<v Speaker 1>reminds me so much of them. Ah three seven zero

942
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:58.280
<v Speaker 1>video where you see the reflection of the plane, because

943
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.800
<v Speaker 1>it's if I'm right, and that's a we're looking at

944
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:05.159
<v Speaker 1>total internal reflection where which is just a physics phenomenon

945
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.320
<v Speaker 1>of waves, and you could see how if they use

946
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:12.599
<v Speaker 1>some kind of fusion bomb or experimental nuclear weapon on people,

947
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.159
<v Speaker 1>maybe it wormholed them somewhere else or rip them to

948
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 1>shreds or something, and all that was left was their

949
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.239
<v Speaker 1>shadow on the wall, which is, like you said, horrific

950
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 1>to even think about. I mean a lot of what

951
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:25.559
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about here, guys, is might trigger you if

952
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.760
<v Speaker 1>you are sensitive to any of these topics. So I apologize.

953
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:31.119
<v Speaker 1>The other thing I want to say is the deglock

954
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.800
<v Speaker 1>the Deglox connection is obviously been connected to the UFO

955
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.199
<v Speaker 1>phenomenon for a while. I find it to be the

956
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:41.840
<v Speaker 1>most credible explanation for anti gravity research. If you go

957
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:44.960
<v Speaker 1>back in the history of anti gravity research in general,

958
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.079
<v Speaker 1>you lead back to that. Two things that you mentioned

959
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:49.800
<v Speaker 1>related to it that I think hold a lot of

960
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.719
<v Speaker 1>weight when it comes to the physics. One is the buzz,

961
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.800
<v Speaker 1>the buzzing sound that it makes. Why is there a

962
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>buzz Because we're using pulsed current. So when you use

963
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.360
<v Speaker 1>high frequency pulse current, is gonna sound just like a

964
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 1>buzzing sound, just like a be wo sound. And that

965
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:10.280
<v Speaker 1>seems to be a very consistent requirement. And a lot

966
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:14.079
<v Speaker 1>of this anti gravitational or gravitational manipulation technology that I

967
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.519
<v Speaker 1>find is that you need to take a pulse current

968
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:18.320
<v Speaker 1>and you need to flow it through that potentially very

969
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:22.280
<v Speaker 1>high frequencies. Salvator Paist was actually just on my podcast

970
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:28.000
<v Speaker 1>last week talking about this idea that time itself is

971
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:31.719
<v Speaker 1>connected to frequency, and that if you have a rapid

972
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:34.159
<v Speaker 1>change or increase in frequency, you can potentially have a

973
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:36.519
<v Speaker 1>reversed and pooral excursion, which means that you can actually

974
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:40.519
<v Speaker 1>reverse the flow of time if you rapidly shift your frequency,

975
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:44.239
<v Speaker 1>which could then explain really all these anti gravitational effects

976
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:47.360
<v Speaker 1>that we're seeing. And then the last thing is the mercury,

977
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:50.199
<v Speaker 1>the mercury aspect spinning mercury, and I think you said

978
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.239
<v Speaker 1>thorium as well. But one thing I found was really

979
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:55.440
<v Speaker 1>interesting from a video I was watching a very smart

980
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:59.559
<v Speaker 1>individual who was doing research into plasma physics and like

981
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.599
<v Speaker 1>photon plasma physics, messing with light and stuff like that

982
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to get plasma to light up and to follow certain paths.

983
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:10.159
<v Speaker 1>He said that metal could almost be considered a plasma

984
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.760
<v Speaker 1>because if you look at what it requires to be

985
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:16.559
<v Speaker 1>a plasma, plasma has free electrons. We've ripped the electrons

986
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:19.840
<v Speaker 1>off of our atom, and so now we've got our

987
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:22.639
<v Speaker 1>free electrons, and we got this soup of electrons and

988
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:28.480
<v Speaker 1>positively charged ions together. And metal actually has a very

989
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:32.440
<v Speaker 1>high electron drift rate, so the electrons relatively free in

990
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.280
<v Speaker 1>metal as well. So you could actually imagine that there

991
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:38.280
<v Speaker 1>could be like a phase transition that happens in the

992
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:41.159
<v Speaker 1>mercury or what have you that basically has it act

993
00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>like a plasma.

994
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Now at that exactly, and also notice that mercury is

995
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:51.239
<v Speaker 2>particularly electromagnetically reactive, so for tortion, it's ideal.

996
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you can even just see if you go

997
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.840
<v Speaker 1>on X or on social media, you'll find videos of

998
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.119
<v Speaker 1>people just taking mercury and connecting a circuit to it

999
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and then it just are to spin, you know, starts

1000
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:03.800
<v Speaker 1>to spin as well. So I find all of that

1001
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:07.360
<v Speaker 1>to have a huge amount of credibility with respect to

1002
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the kind of story. So I guess what we're saying

1003
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.000
<v Speaker 1>here is that, or at least the story is being presented,

1004
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:17.360
<v Speaker 1>is that the United States basically stole nuclear weapons from

1005
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis.

1006
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, let me give you a few more data points

1007
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:23.599
<v Speaker 2>before we still lead jump to conclusion, because I think

1008
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:29.119
<v Speaker 2>the picture is even darker than that. Okay, okay, now

1009
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.000
<v Speaker 2>before I'm going to lay out a couple more very

1010
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:32.800
<v Speaker 2>specific data points that have to do with this. But

1011
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:37.880
<v Speaker 2>just as a as a preface to that, I can

1012
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.000
<v Speaker 2>only say this in a really abbreviated form right now,

1013
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:41.639
<v Speaker 2>because otherwise we're going to go down the whole other

1014
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:45.800
<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole. But let me point people to again a

1015
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:48.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of articles on my substack, one called the Breakaway

1016
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Culture and the other one Nuking the Matrix, in which

1017
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I discussed this. I also discussed it in my book

1018
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Closer encounters that people always talk about Operation paper Clip.

1019
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:04.039
<v Speaker 2>They get that the Central Intelligence Agency was created through

1020
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the integration of General Reinhardt Galen's Eastern European Nazi spy

1021
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:11.760
<v Speaker 2>network into the OSS. Okay, Because we had to then

1022
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:14.159
<v Speaker 2>shift our focus to the Soviet Union as the enemy,

1023
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.519
<v Speaker 2>and the Nazis already had an extensive spy network in

1024
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Europe behind Soviet enemy lines, the OSS made a

1025
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:25.440
<v Speaker 2>deal to incorporate Galen's entire network into the United States,

1026
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:30.480
<v Speaker 2>which became foundational for the CIA. Okay, So the CIA

1027
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Speaker 2>that's conducting paper Clip and bringing over all these Nazi

1028
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:36.519
<v Speaker 2>scientists is an organization now co constituted by.

1029
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.880
<v Speaker 3>SS officers, you follow.

1030
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now, what cards did General Galen have to play

1031
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 2>in order to make that deal? What cards did Martin

1032
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Bormann have to play when somehow he convinced our allies,

1033
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:57.400
<v Speaker 2>the British, particularly you know agent Ian Fleming, who went

1034
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.880
<v Speaker 2>on to write the Bond Novels to facilitate eight Bormont's

1035
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:05.519
<v Speaker 2>evacuation to Argentina, where Bormon, Martin Bormon, went on to

1036
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:09.079
<v Speaker 2>have a joint bank account with one Paron into the

1037
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:14.000
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties. Bormon, who supposedly died three times. There's three

1038
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.840
<v Speaker 2>conflicting accounts of his death. Is still writing checks in

1039
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:21.360
<v Speaker 2>his own name in Buenos Aires through Chase Bank in

1040
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the late nineteen sixties. Okay, and he's got a joint

1041
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:27.119
<v Speaker 2>bank account, joint Swiss bank account with one paron. All right,

1042
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:29.639
<v Speaker 2>all that's necessary preface for the couple of data points

1043
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that I'm going to give you now. In nineteen forty six,

1044
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:38.039
<v Speaker 2>one year before Roswell, there are news reports coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of Spain, some of which were translated into the United

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01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:45.280
<v Speaker 2>States and did appear. I've seen the clippings in English,

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01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:52.159
<v Speaker 2>also talking about how Atto Skorzeny, the master of psychological

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01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:57.760
<v Speaker 2>operations of the Reich, is in Spain with General Francisco Franco,

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01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:02.400
<v Speaker 2>the only remaining Fascist lead in Europe, and they're launching

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01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:09.440
<v Speaker 2>quote rocket shaped saucers unquote toward the United States. And

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01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:15.360
<v Speaker 2>these rocket shaped saucers are quote nuclear powered unquote. It

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01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:20.559
<v Speaker 2>says it in the newspaper reports nuclear powered saucer shaped rockets.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I didn't know what the fuck to call these things, right,

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01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:23.840
<v Speaker 2>so that's what they called them.

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01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 3>And lo and behold. A year later Roswell.

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01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and what's found in the roswell Craft velcrow kevlar

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01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.920
<v Speaker 2>night vision. Does this shit sound like you know, space

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01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.639
<v Speaker 2>alien technology to you, No, it sounds like what the

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01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Germans were testing in the North African desert cutting edge,

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01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:47.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, German military technology. So there's that as one

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01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:53.440
<v Speaker 2>data point. Now another data point. Nineteen fifty to fifty one,

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01:01:53.760 --> 01:02:00.519
<v Speaker 2>the German nuclear physicist Ronald Richter is in Bariloche, Argentina,

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01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:05.400
<v Speaker 2>with the protection and backing of one Parone who is

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01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:12.559
<v Speaker 2>promising the Argentine people that Richter will use this massive

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01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:18.320
<v Speaker 2>facility that's been built on Humo Island off Bariloche to

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01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:26.199
<v Speaker 2>produce fusion, clean, clean nuclear fusion power for Argentinians in

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01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the form of get this one Leader or half Leader

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01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:37.679
<v Speaker 2>devices One Leader half Leader devices with clean nuclear fusion.

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01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.920
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen fifty two, the IAEA and local Argentines do

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01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:44.039
<v Speaker 2>a whole investigation into this and they say, no, we

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01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:45.960
<v Speaker 2>don't understand what the fuck this is. This isn't any

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01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:48.480
<v Speaker 2>fusion that we understand this. It must be a fraud,

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01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:53.719
<v Speaker 2>and the whole thing goes black. After that, Ricter remains

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01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:57.960
<v Speaker 2>under one Paron's personal protection, but this technology is never

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01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:02.639
<v Speaker 2>shared with the Argentine people, and eventually Richter goes to

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01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:06.599
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of interesting places Libya and other places. You know,

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01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:09.159
<v Speaker 2>the Germans also had an interesting footprint in the Arab

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01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:13.119
<v Speaker 2>world after World War Two. But then he comes back

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01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:14.559
<v Speaker 2>and he lives out the rest of his life in

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01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:19.679
<v Speaker 2>peace in Argentina. So what was this clean fusion? And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, to the day he died, Ronald Richter

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01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:25.079
<v Speaker 2>said it was not a fraud. I was not lying.

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01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:27.920
<v Speaker 2>This was a real technology, and you know, we did

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01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:32.000
<v Speaker 2>this thing. So and when they went into his facility,

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01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:39.719
<v Speaker 2>what they found were extremely high voltage electro magnets that

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01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:48.400
<v Speaker 2>were being used to compress plasma. Okay, that's nineteen fifty one. Wow,

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01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:54.039
<v Speaker 2>we achieved dirty fusion neutronic fusion in nineteen fifty two.

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01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:58.920
<v Speaker 2>What this suggests is that people well placed in the

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01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:02.920
<v Speaker 2>US intelligence community and probably a large number of corporatists

1090
01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 2>who backed the rise of the Nazis in the first place.

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01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about the Rockefellers, the Carlisles, the Bush family,

1092
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and you know the people who set up the OSS.

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01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:17.000
<v Speaker 2>These people made a deal with Martin Bormann and Hans Kammler,

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01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and they had access to the kind of technology that

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01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the Bell Project represented, and the kind of technology that

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01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Ronald Richter was continuing to develop in Bariloche, and the

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01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:32.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of technology that was on board those sauce or

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01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.440
<v Speaker 2>shaped rockets that you know, Otto Skorzeni was launching across

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01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:40.760
<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic from Spain toward the United States. So what

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01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:45.079
<v Speaker 2>that presents to you is an argument for the Germans

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01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:53.199
<v Speaker 2>having achieved a neutronic nuclear fusion plasma fusion by nineteen

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01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:58.239
<v Speaker 2>fifty one. Now that makes a lot more sense out

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01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.400
<v Speaker 2>of why they would have been willing to give up

1104
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:05.800
<v Speaker 2>the A bomb to America, because they had something that

1105
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:10.480
<v Speaker 2>made atomic bombs look like matchsticks by comparison.

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01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:15.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's the same exact thing that you'll see some

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01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:17.280
<v Speaker 1>of these Black Project engineers say all the time. They'll

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01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:21.320
<v Speaker 1>say zero point energy makes nuclear weapons look like firecrackers. Right,

1109
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:25.480
<v Speaker 1>So they're saying the same thing about UFO zero point

1110
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:29.480
<v Speaker 1>energy technology that we're saying about fusion bombs. You just

1111
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.320
<v Speaker 1>had something that really spooked to me. By the way,

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01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:34.639
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned the Carlisle Group, and the Carlisle Group was

1113
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:37.440
<v Speaker 1>actually part of a private consortium of equity firms that

1114
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:41.679
<v Speaker 1>acquired Freescale Semiconductors in two thousand and six for seventeen

1115
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:45.800
<v Speaker 1>point six billion dollars. Twenty engineers from that company were

1116
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.480
<v Speaker 1>on the plane Malaysian Airlines Flight three seven zero that

1117
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:51.639
<v Speaker 1>disappeared without a trace. That there's two videos of the

1118
01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:55.039
<v Speaker 1>plane being zapped by I can only describe plasma orbs,

1119
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:57.920
<v Speaker 1>which I think is an anutronic fusion bomb that they

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01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.719
<v Speaker 1>used on the plane. So if that that is true,

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01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.440
<v Speaker 1>then you could almost draw a direct connection between the

1122
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:08.400
<v Speaker 1>people that have figured out fusion and covered it up

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01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Speaker 1>since nineteen fifty three and twenty fourteen, when a plane

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01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:16.679
<v Speaker 1>full of engineers flying to China happens to just disappear

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01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:18.440
<v Speaker 1>off the face of the earth and no one seems

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01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:21.119
<v Speaker 1>to know what happened to it anymore. Let me address

1127
01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:23.559
<v Speaker 1>a couple of things that you just mentioned, though, because

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01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.880
<v Speaker 1>you brought some really great points here, and we're starting

1129
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:30.440
<v Speaker 1>now to get into how did the United States incorporate

1130
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:37.559
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi technology, the Nazi intelligence and engineers and information

1131
01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:40.519
<v Speaker 1>from them. Joseph P. Ferrell I actually was able to

1132
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.559
<v Speaker 1>finally communicate with him a little bit on email. Brilliant guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He mentions Ronald Richter and the idea of clean fusion

1134
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:51.360
<v Speaker 1>in some of his interviews. Before I talk about that, though,

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01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to say that, going back to the UFO

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01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:58.000
<v Speaker 1>topic excuse me, related to like the flying saucer that

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01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:02.239
<v Speaker 1>you just mentioned. Isn't it kind of interesting how UFOs

1138
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.320
<v Speaker 1>have seemingly changed shape in the last thirty years. Like

1139
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:07.800
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties, when I was younger, it was all

1140
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.679
<v Speaker 1>about flying saucers. That's what everybody was seeing, that's what

1141
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:13.360
<v Speaker 1>everybody was reporting, And that seems to go back to

1142
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the deglock et cetera. But now I don't nobody really

1143
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.239
<v Speaker 1>talks about flying saucers anymore. Now it's all about plasma

1144
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:22.639
<v Speaker 1>ORBS energy ORBS, et cetera. So are the aliens getting

1145
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.960
<v Speaker 1>smarter and advancing while they're watching us? Or is it

1146
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:29.159
<v Speaker 1>really just us getting better and getting more advanced? And

1147
01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:34.280
<v Speaker 1>now we're going from rudimentary gravity manipulation technology to really

1148
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:40.440
<v Speaker 1>getting more advanced with microengineering, microelectronics, fabrication of microchips, things

1149
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:42.360
<v Speaker 1>like that, to the point now where we can make

1150
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:46.440
<v Speaker 1>some pretty scarily advanced stuff. That's just the thought. But

1151
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.159
<v Speaker 1>I want to mention right now the clean fusion because

1152
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:50.559
<v Speaker 1>this is like the second half.

1153
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Real Q, really quick, just real quick.

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01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:57.239
<v Speaker 2>On that note, I saw your interview with Salvator Paies,

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01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the recent one, which was fantastic.

1156
01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:00.960
<v Speaker 3>I love that guy's attitude.

1157
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:05.440
<v Speaker 2>He mentioned at one point, and you are surprised about

1158
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:12.440
<v Speaker 2>biological organic components of computational systems, and you know there

1159
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:18.079
<v Speaker 2>there recently have been stories about growing let's say, uh,

1160
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:24.239
<v Speaker 2>neuronal organisms like you know, brain and a Petri dish

1161
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:28.479
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff, like growing aspects or elements of a

1162
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:33.600
<v Speaker 2>human brain and connecting it to microchips and developing a

1163
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.479
<v Speaker 2>hybrid you know, cybernetic.

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01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:37.560
<v Speaker 3>Computational system which.

1165
01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Would incorporate the quantum computational properties of the human brain

1166
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:48.319
<v Speaker 2>together with the binary computational properties of like microchip you

1167
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:49.199
<v Speaker 2>know based system.

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<v Speaker 1>The brain chips are coming, and so is the like

1169
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:56.800
<v Speaker 1>biological engineering. That's probably why we've banned cloning and why

1170
01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:00.399
<v Speaker 1>we've tribably put this huge stigma on like the nots

1171
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:03.279
<v Speaker 1>trying to develop the perfect soul, the super soldier, because

1172
01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:05.039
<v Speaker 1>that's where this is all going. I mean, this is

1173
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:07.479
<v Speaker 1>all headed in a direction where we are going to

1174
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:11.960
<v Speaker 1>integrate with advanced the machine intelligence, and there are gonna

1175
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.840
<v Speaker 1>be people that are being born where you're gonna have

1176
01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:15.479
<v Speaker 1>a question of, hey, do you want to have a

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01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:17.479
<v Speaker 1>brain chimp and planted in you when you're a baby,

1178
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:20.439
<v Speaker 1>or are you gonna opt out of the of this?

1179
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:22.880
<v Speaker 1>And if you're opted in now you have a permanent

1180
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:24.920
<v Speaker 1>connection to everybody else. You have an Internet in your

1181
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:27.680
<v Speaker 1>mind that you can just you know, communicate with anybody

1182
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:30.720
<v Speaker 1>you want all the time. I think that's totally wild.

1183
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:34.840
<v Speaker 1>But going back to the main topic here, the clean fusion.

1184
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:37.600
<v Speaker 1>To me, that's the big secret. And so when you

1185
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:42.119
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that oh Richter was promising clean fusion for the world,

1186
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:45.920
<v Speaker 1>we had dirty fusion. So let me explain what this

1187
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:48.119
<v Speaker 1>is for the audience, just in case they're not familiar.

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01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:52.239
<v Speaker 1>The thing that releases the radiation and the heat in

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01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:56.319
<v Speaker 1>the fusion bomb is the neutrons. The neutrons get released,

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01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:59.000
<v Speaker 1>and the neutrons are the heat. Those are the radiation.

1191
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.720
<v Speaker 1>So when they talk about a clean fusion bomb, which

1192
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:05.600
<v Speaker 1>you hear this referenced all the time, clean fusion, clean

1193
01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:08.560
<v Speaker 1>fusion bomb. But people go, what does that mean? That

1194
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:12.079
<v Speaker 1>means there's no neutrons or minimum neutrons that are being

1195
01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:15.680
<v Speaker 1>released in the interaction. Turns out this is a real thing.

1196
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.920
<v Speaker 1>It's called a neutronic fusion. That's the name for it.

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01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:22.199
<v Speaker 1>There are several companies that are actually doing this right now,

1198
01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:29.119
<v Speaker 1>including Trialpha Energy and Helium Fusion. Helium Fusion was initially

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01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.520
<v Speaker 1>funded by the Department of Energy. They got Mythral Capital,

1200
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Peter Thiel's company that invested in them, and now Sam

1201
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Altman is the chairman of Helium Fusion as well. And

1202
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the way that it works is it comes down to

1203
01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the fuel source that you use. So it was actually

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01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Joseph P. Farrell clip that I was watching where I

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01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:52.359
<v Speaker 1>think he says it was Richter that I believe was

1206
01:10:52.399 --> 01:10:55.159
<v Speaker 1>working on the bomb, working on the hydrogen bomb, and

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01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:57.720
<v Speaker 1>he goes or he may have been talking about the

1208
01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Castle Bravotes. I can't remember the exact contact, but he says,

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01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I added a little bit of boron to my lithium

1210
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:07.359
<v Speaker 1>plasma mix. Add a little boron to it, and that's

1211
01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:09.560
<v Speaker 1>how I was able to get this massive reaction. I

1212
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:12.680
<v Speaker 1>think he was talking about the Castle Bravo detonation. I

1213
01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:13.600
<v Speaker 1>could be wrong on that.

1214
01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:17.560
<v Speaker 3>So because it had a much higher than they anticipated.

1215
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Did They anticipated six megatons I believe, but it was

1216
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:24.800
<v Speaker 1>like fifteen instead, And so he gets asked, what was

1217
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the thing that you did? Oh, I added a little

1218
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.720
<v Speaker 1>bit of boron. So here you go. There are three

1219
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:34.800
<v Speaker 1>a neutronic fusion fuels, just three. I found out about

1220
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:36.520
<v Speaker 1>them because I was taking a look at a two

1221
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:40.760
<v Speaker 1>thousand and five JANF presentation which is like Joint NASA,

1222
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Air Force, Navy, et cetera. And they're talking about fusion

1223
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the whole PowerPoint and it goes next generation fusion fuels.

1224
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Number one helium three. That stuck out to me because

1225
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I went, wait, isn't everybody talking about mining helium three

1226
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:56.079
<v Speaker 1>on the moon? Like why do I didn't know what

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01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:58.159
<v Speaker 1>we need helium three four? But I'm went, oh, if

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01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:00.720
<v Speaker 1>helium three can be used as a new chronic fusion

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01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:04.119
<v Speaker 1>fuel clean energy, and then what are the other two?

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<v Speaker 1>One of them wasn't even listed, but the other one

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<v Speaker 1>was boron eleven proton boron eleven fusion is a neutronic

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01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:16.800
<v Speaker 1>turns out, this is the goal that helium fusion is

1233
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:21.159
<v Speaker 1>aiming for. Is they're trying to aim for boron eleven fusion. Now,

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01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:24.319
<v Speaker 1>the downside, people say is that it takes a much

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01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:28.960
<v Speaker 1>higher temperature to achieve this level of fusion than conventional

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01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.520
<v Speaker 1>neutronic fusion. And so they say, oh, well, if we

1237
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:34.159
<v Speaker 1>can't do neutronic fusion, then why would we even bother

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01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:37.479
<v Speaker 1>with something that's even more difficult with the temperature requirement,

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01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:42.439
<v Speaker 1>energy requirements even higher than that. The third fuel, which

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01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:47.119
<v Speaker 1>is harder to find out about, is lithium six lithium seven.

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01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Turns out, lithium six and lithium seven are used in

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01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:53.800
<v Speaker 1>thermonuclear weapons, and so it's very controlled in terms of

1243
01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:56.439
<v Speaker 1>who potentially has access to it. I did do a

1244
01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:59.159
<v Speaker 1>little bit of research and found out that the public

1245
01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:02.159
<v Speaker 1>sentiment is that that lithium won't work for a neutronic

1246
01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:04.720
<v Speaker 1>fusion due to the reaction how much energy is being

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<v Speaker 1>released from it. I'm a little skeptical of those claims,

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01:13:07.640 --> 01:13:10.239
<v Speaker 1>just because we're literally using it in thermonuclear weapons. So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's just something you mix in there. I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So how does this become clean energy? How does this

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01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:20.800
<v Speaker 1>become unlimited energy? Well, the people that realize that we

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01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:24.239
<v Speaker 1>people realize that we potentially don't need to hit ignition

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01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.319
<v Speaker 1>to get over unity from these devices. So helium fusion

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01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:30.880
<v Speaker 1>has come out and said, well, we're not even aiming

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01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:34.079
<v Speaker 1>for ignition, that we can actually create our electrical system

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01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:38.159
<v Speaker 1>that harnesses this energy by recuperating the input energy, just

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01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:40.960
<v Speaker 1>like with the electric car, how the electric car breaks

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01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:43.760
<v Speaker 1>and recuperates the energy. They so that we can actually

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01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:47.239
<v Speaker 1>get the input energy down so low that we can

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01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:54.159
<v Speaker 1>achieve excess output energy from creating these plasma reactions at

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<v Speaker 1>a lower temperature than ignition. And an ignition we would say,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've talked to some prominent people, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to say exactly who, but they always ask me, why

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<v Speaker 1>is a neutronic fusion gonna be the answer compared to

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01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:10.399
<v Speaker 1>these other fusion companies, And I tell them one, it's

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<v Speaker 1>direct energy conversion. So you say, okay, what does a

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<v Speaker 1>clean h bomb look like? What does that actually look like? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we just said that a clean bomb has no neutrons

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<v Speaker 1>or minimum neutros, So that means there'll be no heat

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<v Speaker 1>and no radiation, So what does that actually look That

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<v Speaker 1>just means that what you're releasing is pure energy, pure electricity,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to think of it like that. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I say it, of course, if I'm aiming for fusion,

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't I be aiming for the thing that produces direct electricity?

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas normal nuclear reactors right now basically just heat up water,

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01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:50.520
<v Speaker 1>boil it it creates steam and then we spin a

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01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:54.680
<v Speaker 1>turbine with the steam. If you believe David Kirkley, who's

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<v Speaker 1>the CEO of helium Fusion, and I do, then the

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01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:00.319
<v Speaker 1>difference in efficiency is about thirty percent of fish agency

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<v Speaker 1>for an a neutronic or a neutronic fusion reaction, and

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01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:08.760
<v Speaker 1>an anutronic reaction is ninety percent or higher efficiency and

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01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.920
<v Speaker 1>direct energy conversion to electricity. So it turns out a

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<v Speaker 1>neutronic fusion is the thing that we all thought about

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01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:17.680
<v Speaker 1>when we were kids, how we thought nuclear power work.

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01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:21.039
<v Speaker 1>That's actually how it really works. And then if we

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to hit ignition, this is the other big

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01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:25.560
<v Speaker 1>critical thing. They say, well, the reason why we're not

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<v Speaker 1>aiming for this is because ignition level of temperature is

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<v Speaker 1>so high and we can't even figure that out. But

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01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:35.840
<v Speaker 1>David Kirkley says, no, actually we can. Our optimal run

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<v Speaker 1>temperature is not even at ignition levels. Is that we're

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<v Speaker 1>not with ignition. What we're trying to is make a

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<v Speaker 1>little sun. We're trying to make a sun that self

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<v Speaker 1>perpetuates so that it sits there forever and it just

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01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:50.399
<v Speaker 1>keeps going forever. With helium fusion, they're just doing short

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01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:53.399
<v Speaker 1>bursts of plasma at each other, so they're not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get this permanent sun to exist. And when they

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<v Speaker 1>do this, according to their math, they can achieve over

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<v Speaker 1>unity at temperatures that are ten times lower than ignition.

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<v Speaker 1>So this gets around all of the problems that people

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<v Speaker 1>have related to it. And so just to add on

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of close out this thought process is that

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<v Speaker 1>I could absolutely see a world where this gets figured

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<v Speaker 1>out in the fifties, in the sixties, and now we

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<v Speaker 1>have inertial confinement fusion, which is what confining the plasma

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01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:29.359
<v Speaker 1>with magnetic fields is all about. We've got inertial confinement fusion.

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<v Speaker 1>But now we've got a major problem on our hands

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<v Speaker 1>here because now we have the answer to unlimited green

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01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:38.479
<v Speaker 1>energy for the rest of all of civilization, for the

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01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:42.239
<v Speaker 1>rest of all of civilization basically, And it's also tied

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01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:48.760
<v Speaker 1>to extremely dangerous weapons, weapons that are beyond what we

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01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:51.880
<v Speaker 1>think of as what we did with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Weapons that can potentially manipulate space time itself and could

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01:16:57.079 --> 01:17:01.319
<v Speaker 1>annihilate the whole planet, maybe the whole Solar system in

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01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.479
<v Speaker 1>just the blink of an eye. So this is where

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say. One last thought is that three

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite authors are Arthur C. Clark, Isaac Asimov,

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<v Speaker 1>and Robert Heinlend Heinland apparently, and all these guys they

1319
01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:20.840
<v Speaker 1>pushed this idea of what did they call it, basically

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01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:25.119
<v Speaker 1>hard sci fi, the idea that the science fiction they

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01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:28.920
<v Speaker 1>would write would be based on real physics. And Heinland

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01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.960
<v Speaker 1>believed that the only way that we wouldn't annihilate ourselves

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01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.199
<v Speaker 1>with thermonuclear winter would be that if we created a

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01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:40.159
<v Speaker 1>one world government. How interesting is that given the context

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<v Speaker 1>of the potential secrecy of these weapons, the collusion potentially

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01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:48.840
<v Speaker 1>between the Nazis and the United States, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>massive implications of the weapons, which I think I first

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<v Speaker 1>heard you talk about on Danny Jones saying that we

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<v Speaker 1>can't give everybody a time machine because if these weapons

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<v Speaker 1>are able to manipulate space time, now you're giving people

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01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:06.520
<v Speaker 1>a literal time machine. So now you've created pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>an ultimate weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, So now I'm going to share something with

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01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:18.720
<v Speaker 2>you that's even creepier, and that has to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the potential engineering, re engineering of space time metrics using

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01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:28.800
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons. Yes, and again I would refer people to

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01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:32.359
<v Speaker 2>my essay called nuking the matrix. And I'll tell you

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01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:36.840
<v Speaker 2>why I called it that it may surprise many people

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01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:43.520
<v Speaker 2>to discover that the first scientist, first serious person to

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01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:48.439
<v Speaker 2>ever consider the possibility that we're living inside a computational matrix,

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01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:55.279
<v Speaker 2>was the German computer scientist Conrad Zeusa. Conrad Zusa was

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01:18:55.319 --> 01:19:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the Nazi Alan Turing, and Turing was racing against Zusa.

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<v Speaker 2>So Zusa actually was in the lead in computer development

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01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:08.399
<v Speaker 2>of World War Two, working with much better, smaller transistors

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01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:11.119
<v Speaker 2>than the ones that we had. The German subsidiary of

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01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:13.640
<v Speaker 2>IBM was found to be about ten years ahead of

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01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:18.600
<v Speaker 2>American technology when we went into Nazi Germany. So Conrad

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<v Speaker 2>Zusa is the Nazi Alan Turing.

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<v Speaker 3>And guess what he figures out in the nineteen forties.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks at all the anomalies on the quantum level,

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01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:35.560
<v Speaker 2>like wave particle duality and quantum entanglement, and he says,

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01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:37.960
<v Speaker 2>you know what this looks like to me? This looks

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01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:45.439
<v Speaker 2>like some kind of a efficient computational process. It looks

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01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:50.039
<v Speaker 2>to me like a computational system is trying to efficiently

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<v Speaker 2>process information. And that's why we have things like the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that a particle isn't rendered unless it's being observed.

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<v Speaker 2>Comes up with this on the nine teen forties. And

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<v Speaker 2>here's the more disturbing thing that he says. Based on

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01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:11.239
<v Speaker 2>the model he develops, which he calls Rechinander realm calculating space.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, space itself is a calculating medium, he says.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if this.

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01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Model is correct, the system generally can render local reality

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01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:30.359
<v Speaker 2>very rapidly and consistently and in a stable manner. But

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<v Speaker 2>if it's locally disrupted by an extremely volatile, high entropy event,

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01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:37.079
<v Speaker 2>you might.

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01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:38.520
<v Speaker 3>Start to see glitches in the matrix.

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<v Speaker 2>They would be observable on the level of quantum experimentation,

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01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:46.159
<v Speaker 2>like shooting photons and stuff, you'll start to get experimental

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01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:50.159
<v Speaker 2>results that are off if there's a very high entropy

1370
01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:53.800
<v Speaker 2>dynamic event taking place. And what did he consider the

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<v Speaker 2>best candidate for such an event in nuclear explosion.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, let me add on to that real quick, which

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01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:06.399
<v Speaker 1>is so, when I investigated the people that developed the

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<v Speaker 1>H bomb and advanced the H bomb, John Knuckles Lowell Wood,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, they actually proposed paper in nineteen seventy four

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01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:23.680
<v Speaker 1>to test general relativity using thermonuclear weapons. And what were

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01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:27.399
<v Speaker 1>they implying? The exact same thing that you just said,

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01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:30.840
<v Speaker 1>that thermonuclear weapons might be manipulating space time, they might

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01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:35.720
<v Speaker 1>be producing gravitational ripples, gravitational waves. Why were they thinking

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01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:38.399
<v Speaker 1>that in nineteen seventy four, Why were they publishing public

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01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:41.279
<v Speaker 1>scientific papers about that. They had to have known that

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01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:44.439
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what was going on. And this is where

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01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I say, oh, my goodness, it must the UFO topic

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01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:50.239
<v Speaker 1>must be connected to nukes. And let me even take

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01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it a step further, because now in retrospect, to me,

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01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:55.960
<v Speaker 1>it's obvious. You go, wait a minute, how do they

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01:21:56.079 --> 01:21:58.479
<v Speaker 1>say that we would manipulate space time? How would we

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01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:01.199
<v Speaker 1>manipulate gravity? Well, we need a huge amount of mass,

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01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:03.520
<v Speaker 1>they say. In order to make a wormhole, we need

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01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the mass of Jupiter right here. If I had a

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01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:08.239
<v Speaker 1>massive je if I had a Jupiter right here, then

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01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:10.880
<v Speaker 1>space time would be getting bents all around Jupiter because

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01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:13.600
<v Speaker 1>it's producing all this grap We all understand that. Take

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01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:17.239
<v Speaker 1>it to the next level, Einstein said, E equals mc squared.

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<v Speaker 1>That means there's an exchange of energy and mass. That means,

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01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:23.920
<v Speaker 1>when we talk about these calculations, we can interchange mass

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01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:26.399
<v Speaker 1>and energy with one another. That means we don't just

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01:22:26.439 --> 01:22:29.279
<v Speaker 1>need the mass of Jupiter. We can take the energy

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01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:33.880
<v Speaker 1>mass of Jupiter and that will do the exact same thing. Now,

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01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:37.039
<v Speaker 1>what were we doing with thermonuclear weapons, Well, we were

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01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:40.119
<v Speaker 1>trying to make them very, very powerful. Remember we just

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01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:42.600
<v Speaker 1>said about Castle Bravo. It was two and a half

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01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:45.640
<v Speaker 1>times more powerful than what we expected. And then we

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01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:49.000
<v Speaker 1>took it even further. Then John Knuckles in the sixties said,

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01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I can make it even more efficient.

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01:22:52.439 --> 01:22:55.800
<v Speaker 1>If I use geometry and get our waves to collapse

1407
01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:59.399
<v Speaker 1>perfectly onto a point, I can amplify that even higher,

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01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:03.039
<v Speaker 1>increase the gain, increase the amount of energy output relative

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01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:05.159
<v Speaker 1>to the amount of energy input. So now you have

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01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:08.159
<v Speaker 1>to start to wonder, Wait, how much did they really

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01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:11.800
<v Speaker 1>amplify that energy, and especially if they did it anutronically,

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01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:16.279
<v Speaker 1>which is three times more efficient than neutronic fusion bomb

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01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:20.159
<v Speaker 1>might be last thought is this So now we've connected, Okay,

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01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>we can potentially get this huge amount of energy, which

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01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:25.439
<v Speaker 1>is what we would need to manipulate space time. But

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01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>are there scientific papers that support it? Yeah? There is.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there's a really famous one by a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Harold Pudoff where Timbershet of Congress held up his

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01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:38.359
<v Speaker 1>scientific paper in twenty twenty three during the UFO hearing,

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01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:41.560
<v Speaker 1>he said, here's a little light reading for you. What

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01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:46.039
<v Speaker 1>is the name of that paper, Polarizable Vacuum Model Spacetime

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01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:49.439
<v Speaker 1>metric Engineering by hal Putoff, And in that he says

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01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:53.760
<v Speaker 1>that we can unify electromagnetism in general relativity. And this

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01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:58.600
<v Speaker 1>basic idea is that electromagnetism will manipulate space time to

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01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:03.800
<v Speaker 1>zero point energy to allow anti gravity manipulation as well

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01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:08.279
<v Speaker 1>as potentially a wormhole in theory. So now we've got

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01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>all the basis to put it all together. Plus just

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<v Speaker 1>another little tidbit for you. I just watched a video

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01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:16.520
<v Speaker 1>or hal Putoff is sitting next to Edward Teller at

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01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:19.439
<v Speaker 1>dinner telling him his theories. And you're sitting here going,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute. People are saying, Edward Teller is like

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01:24:22.479 --> 01:24:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the guy that knows all the secrets. Right. They had

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01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:27.119
<v Speaker 1>probably a whole crisis of conscience when the guy who

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01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:29.560
<v Speaker 1>died because we had to pass these secrets onto somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>So why is hal Putoff now sitting in the meeting

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<v Speaker 1>with him? So this is where I think you can

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01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>pretty much draw a straight line between thermonuclear weapons directly

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<v Speaker 1>to space time manipulation and the UFO topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, yes, and I can add a couple of elements

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01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.399
<v Speaker 2>to that that even fill out the physics in a

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01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:49.479
<v Speaker 2>more compelling way.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to add the work that was done by.

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<v Speaker 2>Ralph Landauer in the nineteen sixties, also a German, although

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<v Speaker 2>a Jewish German who was escaping the Nazis, and then

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<v Speaker 2>John Archibald Wheeler. And what took place between Ralph Landauer

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01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:14.199
<v Speaker 2>and John Archibald Wheeler was the recognition that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just energy and matter that are interconvertible, you know, ala Einstein.

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01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:23.199
<v Speaker 2>They realized that there's a third term in this interconvertibility,

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<v Speaker 2>which is information. And this speaks to why you know, observation,

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<v Speaker 2>the the the the integral element of the observer in

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01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:37.079
<v Speaker 2>the collapse of the wave function in quantum mechanics already

1452
01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>tells us that information processing, namely by an observer, is

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01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:42.640
<v Speaker 2>integral to fundamental physics.

1454
01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:43.560
<v Speaker 3>And what.

1455
01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:49.920
<v Speaker 2>John Archibald Wheeler developed, building on Rolf Landauer, was the

1456
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:55.399
<v Speaker 2>idea that energy and matter are different states of information.

1457
01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Now, Conrad Zusa already realized this.

1458
01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:02.479
<v Speaker 2>The Nazi German computer scientists Conrad used in the nineteen

1459
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:07.399
<v Speaker 2>forties and what zeus say is saying is that when

1460
01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:14.560
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear bomb goes off, the computational system can't catch

1461
01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:20.439
<v Speaker 2>up with the disruption to the normal rendering algorithm, so

1462
01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the mesh of the matrix is sheared locally. Now, if

1463
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Wheeler is right, and if what people want more detail,

1464
01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I wrote about this in my book Satanion. If Wheeler

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01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:38.319
<v Speaker 2>is more If Wheeler is right about this, then what

1466
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:43.319
<v Speaker 2>we call dark matter is actually an informational cloud. It's

1467
01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:48.279
<v Speaker 2>a form of matter that's not electromagnetically detectable, but that

1468
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:53.520
<v Speaker 2>contains information and has gravitational effects, massive gravitational effects. Now,

1469
01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:58.199
<v Speaker 2>if we're living in a computational similachrum and the space

1470
01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:03.159
<v Speaker 2>the spatial matrix what Conrad Zusa called the Rechnander around

1471
01:27:03.159 --> 01:27:07.199
<v Speaker 2>the calculating space gets torn locally around the nuclear explosion,

1472
01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>it could be that that opens up cracks through which

1473
01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:17.640
<v Speaker 2>we have access to dark matter that is much more massive,

1474
01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and that dark matter then could warp the space time

1475
01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:25.720
<v Speaker 2>matrix locally in an even more significant way. In other words,

1476
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:30.720
<v Speaker 2>if our similarchrum is nested inside a larger quantum computational

1477
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:34.640
<v Speaker 2>system and it's being projected from outside, some kind of

1478
01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:39.640
<v Speaker 2>from out of some kind of cloud informational processing medium

1479
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:43.439
<v Speaker 2>like dark matter. Cracks in the local space time mesh

1480
01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:52.920
<v Speaker 2>could allow a denser, more gravitationally disruptive form of matter

1481
01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:55.760
<v Speaker 2>to also further impact the.

1482
01:27:57.960 --> 01:27:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Space time.

1483
01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:05.800
<v Speaker 2>In the environs of a nuclear explosion, which brings me to.

1484
01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:10.359
<v Speaker 3>The other thing. Yes, it could be that nukes.

1485
01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Are surveiling nuclear power plants and surveiling nuclear stockpiles, and

1486
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:16.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a great deal of evidence for that that Robert Hastings,

1487
01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:17.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, is laid.

1488
01:28:17.079 --> 01:28:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Out in his book on UFOs and nukes.

1489
01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:21.680
<v Speaker 2>But there's another possibility as well, and they're not mutually exclusive,

1490
01:28:22.119 --> 01:28:25.239
<v Speaker 2>and that's that some of the UFOs that we see,

1491
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, Beatrice Villaroil's recent study of the Palomar plates

1492
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:33.880
<v Speaker 2>from the nineteen fifties seems to suggest that tens of

1493
01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:38.039
<v Speaker 2>thousands of these things would show up, especially like within

1494
01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>hours of a nuclear explosion. And one possibility is that

1495
01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:50.039
<v Speaker 2>they're coming from other dimensions. That when a nuke locally

1496
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:53.560
<v Speaker 2>shears the fabric of space time, cracks open that allow

1497
01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>access to other dimensions, and that you know, craft that

1498
01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:05.039
<v Speaker 2>come from basically other simulacra are breaking through into ours.

1499
01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:08.479
<v Speaker 2>That's also a possibility, and David Lynch played with that

1500
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:11.119
<v Speaker 2>in a very interesting way in the third season of

1501
01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:15.560
<v Speaker 2>his Twin Peaks television series. It's basically built on this

1502
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>idea that you know, beginning in nineteen forty five, when

1503
01:29:18.680 --> 01:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>we started setting off nukes, we sort of compromise the

1504
01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:24.840
<v Speaker 2>space show temporal fabric in a way that allowed things

1505
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:28.079
<v Speaker 2>from other dimensions to get in to our world. So

1506
01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that's another thing, you know, worth considering here.

1507
01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let me jump out. Yeah, because John Wheeler,

1508
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, guy's a legend. Although he doesn't get probably

1509
01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:40.239
<v Speaker 1>nearly enough credit, he was also one of the help

1510
01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:43.279
<v Speaker 1>developers of the h bomb. Originally, he's the guy that

1511
01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:47.239
<v Speaker 1>coined the term wormhole and black hole. Actually, so when

1512
01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:49.680
<v Speaker 1>he's talking about these concepts, people should probably listen because

1513
01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:51.560
<v Speaker 1>he's one of the people that was on the forefront

1514
01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:54.199
<v Speaker 1>of these ideas back in the fifties and the sixties.

1515
01:29:54.199 --> 01:30:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Out there, I think you conceptualize it very well. Personally,

1516
01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:02.119
<v Speaker 1>I have a slightly different take on the dark energy.

1517
01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I just think the dark energy dark matter is just

1518
01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>zero point energy. It's the latent energy of space time itself.

1519
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>And yes, I do think we're absolutely making cracks in it,

1520
01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:14.399
<v Speaker 1>we're bending it, we're manipulating that. I think this you

1521
01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>could think of as the zero point energy, as space

1522
01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:19.399
<v Speaker 1>time itself, as the reason why there's distance between here

1523
01:30:19.399 --> 01:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and I.

1524
01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:22.359
<v Speaker 3>Disagreeing with you at all. I'm not disagreeing with you

1525
01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:22.640
<v Speaker 3>at all.

1526
01:30:22.760 --> 01:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>No, No, I'm just saying that it's an informational medium.

1527
01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Zero an informational medium.

1528
01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:32.239
<v Speaker 1>And let me add to that. So, I'm not sure

1529
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>if you know about Charles Chase, but he's a legendary

1530
01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Lockheed Martin engineer. He was a leader of the Revolutionary

1531
01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Technologies division of the Lockheed Martin skunk Works. And I

1532
01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:46.239
<v Speaker 1>know Jesse Michael spoke to him because Jesse Michael said,

1533
01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I spoke to the guy who is a leader of

1534
01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the Revolutionary Technologies of it, and I'm going I know

1535
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:55.279
<v Speaker 1>who that guy is. That's Charles Chase. And Charles Chase

1536
01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>replied to one of my emails. These guys almost never

1537
01:30:57.560 --> 01:30:59.279
<v Speaker 1>replied to my emails, by the way, and when hal

1538
01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Pudaff responds, they not only got back like five word

1539
01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:04.239
<v Speaker 1>answers from him, even though I wrote out like the

1540
01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:08.279
<v Speaker 1>whole history of his research. But Charles Chase said something

1541
01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:11.439
<v Speaker 1>really interesting about zero point energy. I actually asked him,

1542
01:31:11.439 --> 01:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>do you believe in the ether, which is, you know,

1543
01:31:13.640 --> 01:31:17.239
<v Speaker 1>this idea of this extra dimension of energy, and he says,

1544
01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:19.199
<v Speaker 1>I do think the idea of that ether is real.

1545
01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>And he says, I think that also it has a memory.

1546
01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>So this speaks directly to what you're saying about space

1547
01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:29.560
<v Speaker 1>time being an informational medium. Is that what Charles Chase

1548
01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>is implying is that what we do is remembered in

1549
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:36.560
<v Speaker 1>space time. Space time is rendering kind of what is happening.

1550
01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:39.239
<v Speaker 1>And this is also connected to coherence and decoherence with

1551
01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, the double slit experiment and quantum mechanics. So

1552
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:44.399
<v Speaker 1>one more thing I want to say in quant mechanics

1553
01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:46.479
<v Speaker 1>is that tunneling is directly.

1554
01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:53.279
<v Speaker 2>At Nikola Tesla believed that Nikola Tesla became friends with

1555
01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:58.439
<v Speaker 2>Swami Vivekananda and they had long conversations about Sanskrit metaphysics together,

1556
01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:01.800
<v Speaker 2>and Tesla came aloud around to believing that the ether

1557
01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:05.520
<v Speaker 2>was an informational medium that stored.

1558
01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Memory, that was, it was a memory storage system.

1559
01:32:10.119 --> 01:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>And he said, basically, the Hindus were kind of on

1560
01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:14.600
<v Speaker 2>the right track when they called it the Akasha.

1561
01:32:14.720 --> 01:32:17.039
<v Speaker 3>The acoustic record of the cosmos.

1562
01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me this is perfect. I had this up

1563
01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:21.039
<v Speaker 1>on my screen right here. This is perfect. So I've

1564
01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>got this thing about Tesla, told Lord Kelvin at his

1565
01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:29.199
<v Speaker 1>visit with the median German freesser Hermann von Helmholtz. Helmholtz

1566
01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:32.479
<v Speaker 1>is pretty famous physicists as well, and they talked about

1567
01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:35.359
<v Speaker 1>the idea of ether and vortex rings. He says in

1568
01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the question what passes on the impulse? Kelvin came to

1569
01:32:38.920 --> 01:32:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the conclusion are they are vortices in the ether. With

1570
01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:47.359
<v Speaker 1>that he had found an answer and experience with his students,

1571
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:50.119
<v Speaker 1>he built boxes with which he could produce smoke rings

1572
01:32:50.359 --> 01:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>to be able to study and demonstrate and experiments the

1573
01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:59.159
<v Speaker 1>special properties of ring like vortices and their flow. Technical analogy.

1574
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>So what these guys believed, these basically pioneers of electromagnetism.

1575
01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>They believe we were in a medium and they believe

1576
01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:12.199
<v Speaker 1>vortex motions somehow interacted with that medium. I think that

1577
01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>what we found now recently, especially as if you guys

1578
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:20.119
<v Speaker 1>look up like optical traps, we're using light to measure vortices,

1579
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:22.399
<v Speaker 1>and I think that that's what we're essentially doing. But

1580
01:33:22.439 --> 01:33:26.239
<v Speaker 1>with much more advanced technology and experimentation nowadays compared to

1581
01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>what we did in the past. And I think what

1582
01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>we're realizing is, yes, there really is a medium, and

1583
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:33.319
<v Speaker 1>we know it for a fact. The question is how

1584
01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:36.520
<v Speaker 1>do we interact with it in a meaningful way. Salvator

1585
01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Paist would say that, and I don't want to be

1586
01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:42.439
<v Speaker 1>speaking for him, but I believe he would say that

1587
01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>we need to break make our system go far from equilibrium.

1588
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>And also I think just from in general my research,

1589
01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that you only begin to see some of these effects

1590
01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>at very high energy levels, which also imply that we

1591
01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:59.439
<v Speaker 1>need this huge energy level to break through that medium.

1592
01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:03.199
<v Speaker 1>You get close enough to that threshold, then you start

1593
01:34:03.239 --> 01:34:05.479
<v Speaker 1>to see those effects, but before that you don't really

1594
01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>see them. And this is the reason why when people

1595
01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>are doing small scale experiments for anti gravitational technologies, they

1596
01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:14.439
<v Speaker 1>don't get major effects. This is why, like Eugene Popklanov,

1597
01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:18.399
<v Speaker 1>when he talks about spinning superconductors to produce these thrust

1598
01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:22.159
<v Speaker 1>why it's so easy to debunk it because the measurements

1599
01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:24.720
<v Speaker 1>are so tiny and the margin of air is so

1600
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>high that people can say, oh, well, it's just within

1601
01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the margin of air. You didn't really prove that the

1602
01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:32.720
<v Speaker 1>thing is real. But this is why high energy physics

1603
01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>is so important, because the people that are doing the

1604
01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>highest energy physics, they're going to be the ones that

1605
01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:39.039
<v Speaker 1>are going to see this because you've got to get

1606
01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:43.359
<v Speaker 1>up to this threshold. First, do you have any comments

1607
01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:44.720
<v Speaker 1>on that? And then I have a couple other things ahead.

1608
01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:52.439
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so no, I agree with all of that.

1609
01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:57.079
<v Speaker 2>I agree with the brunt of it, but I would

1610
01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:00.159
<v Speaker 2>like to add this that you know, when you think

1611
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:06.279
<v Speaker 2>about aneutronic fusion, in other words, clean thermonuclear detonations, you

1612
01:35:06.319 --> 01:35:10.079
<v Speaker 2>also have to realize that the main reason we haven't

1613
01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>had a nuclear war is because of the danger of fallout, right,

1614
01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>the danger of radioactive contamination of the areas where detonations

1615
01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:24.279
<v Speaker 2>take place, and then fallout patterns that, because of the

1616
01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:29.319
<v Speaker 2>nature of weather systems, will deposit the radiation over hundreds

1617
01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:32.159
<v Speaker 2>of miles across oceans in some cases. I mean, look

1618
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:35.239
<v Speaker 2>what happened with Fukushima. I mean cattle in Washington State

1619
01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and Oregon were radiated. So the reason we haven't had

1620
01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:42.439
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear war is mainly because of the radiation that

1621
01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:48.680
<v Speaker 2>comes from the fusion, sorry, the fission trigger, the neutronic

1622
01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:52.840
<v Speaker 2>fission trigger in a fusion bomb. That's why nuclear weapons

1623
01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>were never used on a large scale. Now, if it

1624
01:35:56.720 --> 01:35:59.119
<v Speaker 2>were known that it was possible, and of course this

1625
01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:01.479
<v Speaker 2>is why the Nazis interested in this in the first place, Right,

1626
01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the best nuke is a nuke you can

1627
01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:07.960
<v Speaker 2>set off in a target area and then your soldiers

1628
01:36:07.960 --> 01:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>can move in immediately without fear of radiation. Right, So,

1629
01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:17.359
<v Speaker 2>if it were known that you could use nuclear weapons

1630
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:20.720
<v Speaker 2>on a large scale without any danger of radioactive contamination,

1631
01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>nuclear war would be a lot more likely. Now, consider

1632
01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:29.520
<v Speaker 2>what we were saying about Conrad Zeus's observations, or rather

1633
01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Congrad Zeus's speculation about how the extremely high entropy dynamic

1634
01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:41.560
<v Speaker 2>energetic event of a nuclear detonation could shear or compromise

1635
01:36:42.159 --> 01:36:47.439
<v Speaker 2>the rendering of local space time. What would be the

1636
01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:53.319
<v Speaker 2>effects of hundreds of a neutronic thermonuclear weapons going off

1637
01:36:53.359 --> 01:36:58.760
<v Speaker 2>simultaneously on the planet. Could it be that at that point,

1638
01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:02.079
<v Speaker 2>like you see in the movie The Thirteenth Floor, where

1639
01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:05.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, the guy sees the mesh of the matrix,

1640
01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:08.359
<v Speaker 2>He drives to the edge of fake Los Angeles and

1641
01:37:08.439 --> 01:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>there the road ends and he sees the mesh of

1642
01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the matrix. Could it be that if we had a

1643
01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:17.159
<v Speaker 2>global nuclear war from a nuclear war but using a

1644
01:37:17.359 --> 01:37:23.520
<v Speaker 2>neutronic fusion devices, it would so thoroughly fuck up the

1645
01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:28.359
<v Speaker 2>spatiotemporal matrix that we would basically see the mesh of

1646
01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the computational system that we're inside of. And maybe that's

1647
01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>why the entities on the other side of the UFO

1648
01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:40.079
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon are obsessed with making sure that we don't set

1649
01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>off nuclear weapons on a large scale, because it might

1650
01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:45.880
<v Speaker 2>show us something about the nature of the world that

1651
01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>we're living in that they don't want us seeing.

1652
01:37:55.119 --> 01:37:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sorry, So I think that I want to address

1653
01:37:58.560 --> 01:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>a few of those points, and I do want to

1654
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>talk about this idea of breaking the matrix, but a

1655
01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>couple other points on the science of it real quick.

1656
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<v Speaker 1>On an internal nuclear weaponson with throughout there is tunneling.

1657
01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Quantum tunneling is used in fusion. In fact, that's how

1658
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>we break the Coulon barrier. So if we have two

1659
01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:18.079
<v Speaker 1>ions that are positively charged, two positively charged things should

1660
01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:21.479
<v Speaker 1>repel each other. So when we get fusion happening, the

1661
01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:23.880
<v Speaker 1>idea is that we're creating so much pressure and heat

1662
01:38:24.119 --> 01:38:27.399
<v Speaker 1>that we're forcing these things together to get over that

1663
01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Coulon barrier. Now, if you research cold fusion and some

1664
01:38:31.279 --> 01:38:34.279
<v Speaker 1>theories around cold fusion, you'll find there's a resonance model

1665
01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:36.760
<v Speaker 1>of it that how are we able to get fusion

1666
01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:39.720
<v Speaker 1>to happen at these low temperatures that don't require that?

1667
01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:42.720
<v Speaker 1>And they say, oh, well, it's resonance that will allow

1668
01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:45.319
<v Speaker 1>that to happen at certain resonant frequencies. Just like with

1669
01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the diagloc we were talking about pulse frequencies, you have

1670
01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:52.079
<v Speaker 1>your cross section of fusion goes way up, goes way

1671
01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>up weirdly at certain frequencies. That's what happens. And the

1672
01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>idea is like, imagine you're like vibrating your hands back

1673
01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:59.439
<v Speaker 1>for at some point like you're gonna be like over

1674
01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:01.119
<v Speaker 1>the top of one another. And this is a quantum

1675
01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:03.600
<v Speaker 1>mechanical effect that we see where we can have two

1676
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:06.479
<v Speaker 1>things at the same point, where normally we can't have that.

1677
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Every things that are fermions can't generally be at the

1678
01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:12.800
<v Speaker 1>same position. But according to general relativit and quantum mechanics,

1679
01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that becomes possible. Now. So the other thing I want

1680
01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to point out is computers. You mentioned computers, and this

1681
01:39:19.079 --> 01:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>idea that nukes are you know, almost you could imagine

1682
01:39:22.279 --> 01:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the patterns as being a computational pattern. Well, it turns

1683
01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>out we were literally building computers for thermonuclear weapons. One

1684
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of the big things that Knuckles was working on when

1685
01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:36.600
<v Speaker 1>he was doing building his H bombs, his clean H bombs,

1686
01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:38.720
<v Speaker 1>was he was doing the computations. They were putting it,

1687
01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:42.319
<v Speaker 1>plugging in old IBM cards to do the computers. So

1688
01:39:42.359 --> 01:39:45.399
<v Speaker 1>you can actually draw a direct line between computer advancement

1689
01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and thermonuclear weapons. Then John Kramer, he's an experimental nuclear

1690
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:54.479
<v Speaker 1>physicist out of a University of Washington, he said he

1691
01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:57.079
<v Speaker 1>got asked, and it was one of my favorite clips

1692
01:39:57.680 --> 01:40:00.359
<v Speaker 1>where he gets asked, what do they use quantum computer for?

1693
01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Nobody really knows what they're practically using quantum computers for,

1694
01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:07.359
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, oh, use it for nuclear weapons calculations.

1695
01:40:07.479 --> 01:40:11.119
<v Speaker 1>The computer can do the calculations, these complex integrals just

1696
01:40:11.199 --> 01:40:13.800
<v Speaker 1>like that, where it's very extremely difficult, time intensive for

1697
01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a human being to try to do those things. I'm

1698
01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.359
<v Speaker 1>just sitting here going, I mean, you you just told

1699
01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:21.279
<v Speaker 1>me the secret here, which is that, like we developed

1700
01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>computers for nuclear weapons and then we needed quantum computers

1701
01:40:24.640 --> 01:40:26.439
<v Speaker 1>that were even more powerful to be able to do

1702
01:40:26.479 --> 01:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>these complex integrals and these fusion reactions with quantum tunneling

1703
01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:31.319
<v Speaker 1>and stuff happening, and we needed to be able to

1704
01:40:31.359 --> 01:40:34.039
<v Speaker 1>react in real time too, as our plasma is like,

1705
01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:36.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, interacting what have you? Is that That's I

1706
01:40:36.520 --> 01:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>think where AI and quantum computers come from is probably

1707
01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:45.479
<v Speaker 1>that direct technology. And so absolutely I could see a

1708
01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>situation where we're afraid for multiple reasons. This is where

1709
01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to start to move to the geopolitics side

1710
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>of this, which is what are the implications if we're right,

1711
01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:57.720
<v Speaker 1>this hypothesis is true that thermonuclear weapons are able to

1712
01:40:57.800 --> 01:41:01.720
<v Speaker 1>manipulate space time. Now we're talking about time travel and

1713
01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:04.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people ask me, what is the impact

1714
01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:07.199
<v Speaker 1>on the zero point energy on space time itself? If

1715
01:41:07.239 --> 01:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>we're doing this, will the zero point energy just kind

1716
01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:12.520
<v Speaker 1>of come in and fill the gaps? And if so,

1717
01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:14.680
<v Speaker 1>is there a limit to that? Are we using up

1718
01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:17.560
<v Speaker 1>all of the space time when we're you know, either

1719
01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>pulling energy from it or doing these detonations. Is it

1720
01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>impacting other realities? Are there other realities? And is there

1721
01:41:24.239 --> 01:41:27.600
<v Speaker 1>a multiverse? And then the bigger thing and to me

1722
01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:30.319
<v Speaker 1>that I think that honestly, seeing the matrix is the

1723
01:41:30.359 --> 01:41:32.439
<v Speaker 1>least the thing I'm least afraid of. The thing I'm

1724
01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:34.520
<v Speaker 1>more afraid of is someone's gonna mess up the time

1725
01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:36.279
<v Speaker 1>stream and we're gonna get caught in some kind of

1726
01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>time loop. Hell, maybe we are. Maybe our reality is

1727
01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:41.399
<v Speaker 1>a time loop where somebody did something like that. So

1728
01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:42.720
<v Speaker 1>those are just some of my thoughts.

1729
01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:46.680
<v Speaker 3>What do you think, Oh, I agree with all of it.

1730
01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that our timeline has been broken and we're

1731
01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:55.600
<v Speaker 2>already in some fucked up time loop or buros serpent

1732
01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:57.960
<v Speaker 2>eating its own tail kind of thing that you see

1733
01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>like in the German TV series Dark. And then about

1734
01:42:01.319 --> 01:42:05.439
<v Speaker 2>us messing up other realities with nuclear weapons detonations. You know,

1735
01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:10.399
<v Speaker 2>I have often accused the Nordics who appear to contact

1736
01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:16.239
<v Speaker 2>these in the nineteen fifties of being extremely duplicitous, deceptive individuals. However,

1737
01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I do have to note that one of the things

1738
01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:22.399
<v Speaker 2>that they did say to multiple contact these was you've

1739
01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:26.319
<v Speaker 2>got to stop these nuclear detonations because they're messing with

1740
01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:29.119
<v Speaker 2>the world that we come from in ways that you

1741
01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:30.199
<v Speaker 2>don't understand.

1742
01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:33.800
<v Speaker 3>So who knows me.

1743
01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:38.239
<v Speaker 1>There's a theory called the twin paradox or twin universe

1744
01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:40.239
<v Speaker 1>theory too, which is the idea of like there's always

1745
01:42:40.319 --> 01:42:42.880
<v Speaker 1>duality in physics, So you have positive charge, you have

1746
01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.920
<v Speaker 1>minus charge, and we see that everywhere in physics, So

1747
01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:48.880
<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't there be like an alternate flip side of

1748
01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>our reality like in the Stranger Things, you know, what

1749
01:42:52.039 --> 01:42:54.079
<v Speaker 1>are they called the underworld or whatever they call it,

1750
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:57.359
<v Speaker 1>So you could see, like, what if this situation is

1751
01:42:57.399 --> 01:43:00.000
<v Speaker 1>like we're every what if all the energy we barre

1752
01:43:00.239 --> 01:43:02.479
<v Speaker 1>is an energy from another universe and with the energy

1753
01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>they borrows energy from our universe, And so you could

1754
01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:07.159
<v Speaker 1>see a situation where like we do something like that,

1755
01:43:07.399 --> 01:43:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and yes, maybe we're either opening a hole to that

1756
01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:13.560
<v Speaker 1>universe or we're just taking from that universe. Those are

1757
01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:15.479
<v Speaker 1>just some thoughts that I personally had when I thought

1758
01:43:15.479 --> 01:43:18.319
<v Speaker 1>about this idea of like why the UFOs would show

1759
01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:21.600
<v Speaker 1>up if they do come from another dimension. But my

1760
01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:23.680
<v Speaker 1>personal opinion, and this is the thing where we can't

1761
01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:26.560
<v Speaker 1>know the truth until we like experiment it, of course obviously,

1762
01:43:26.600 --> 01:43:31.159
<v Speaker 1>but my opinion is that there isn't another Bizarro dimension,

1763
01:43:31.279 --> 01:43:33.159
<v Speaker 1>but there is another dimension that's out there, and the

1764
01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>dimension is how we can basically take a shortcut through

1765
01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>our perceivable reality, like I use that extra dimension to

1766
01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:45.319
<v Speaker 1>hop to Mars and now I'm just on Mars instantly,

1767
01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:48.159
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to you know, six months or three months later,

1768
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:50.800
<v Speaker 1>however it gets over there. But even in the scenario

1769
01:43:50.840 --> 01:43:53.680
<v Speaker 1>like that, you could still say that the Aliens are

1770
01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>extra dimensional if they're coming from you know, you know,

1771
01:43:57.279 --> 01:44:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the Andromeda Galaxy, which would be completely impracticle from a

1772
01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:03.960
<v Speaker 1>distance perspective for us to get to without some sort

1773
01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>of extra dimensional space hop if you want to think

1774
01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:10.119
<v Speaker 1>of it like that, a couple last.

1775
01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Topics, A bit of a word game becomes a bit

1776
01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:15.399
<v Speaker 2>of a word game at that point, because yes, I mean,

1777
01:44:15.479 --> 01:44:18.680
<v Speaker 2>if they're using extra dimensions to get here from Mars

1778
01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:23.399
<v Speaker 2>or from Andromeda or wherever, then technically speaking it's extra

1779
01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:26.279
<v Speaker 2>dimensional because they're using an extra dimension to get here,

1780
01:44:26.920 --> 01:44:30.159
<v Speaker 2>just like you know, if there are humans on Mars,

1781
01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:32.760
<v Speaker 2>and let's say there were humans on Mars, you know,

1782
01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:35.159
<v Speaker 2>one hundred million years ago the way that you know,

1783
01:44:35.239 --> 01:44:38.439
<v Speaker 2>John Brandenburg thinks there's evidence for that, and you know,

1784
01:44:38.520 --> 01:44:42.439
<v Speaker 2>the the Viking Probe brought back these photos of ruins

1785
01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:45.399
<v Speaker 2>that were subsequently used as remote viewing targets that showed

1786
01:44:46.119 --> 01:44:48.359
<v Speaker 2>you know multiple remote viewing teams that there were humans

1787
01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:50.039
<v Speaker 2>living on Mars one hundred million years ago.

1788
01:44:50.159 --> 01:44:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Now, if those humans use.

1789
01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:57.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, extra dimensional jump gates to get to places

1790
01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>on Earth, then they're both extraterrestrial because they're coming from

1791
01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Mars technically even though they're human, and they're extra dimensional

1792
01:45:05.600 --> 01:45:08.840
<v Speaker 2>because they're using another dimension to get here. Right, So

1793
01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:10.960
<v Speaker 2>it becomes a bit of a word game at that point.

1794
01:45:11.039 --> 01:45:14.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, the important thing is that they're human. They're human,

1795
01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:18.560
<v Speaker 2>They may be from another planet, therefore extraterrestrial. They may

1796
01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:23.439
<v Speaker 2>be using hyperdimensional technology to get here without actually traversing space,

1797
01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:28.560
<v Speaker 2>which means they're extra dimensional. But bottom line, if it

1798
01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:31.199
<v Speaker 2>walks like a human, it talks like a human, and

1799
01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:34.720
<v Speaker 2>quacks like a human, it's a human, okay. And I

1800
01:45:34.760 --> 01:45:39.319
<v Speaker 2>think that's one of the most egregious UH deceptions and

1801
01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:43.199
<v Speaker 2>misdirections that's going on in the current disclosure discourse is

1802
01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:48.640
<v Speaker 2>the degree to which these gatekeepers of disclosure want us

1803
01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:52.439
<v Speaker 2>not to think about how many humans appear to be

1804
01:45:52.479 --> 01:45:56.239
<v Speaker 2>involved with UFOs coming out of UFOs, taking people, you know,

1805
01:45:56.319 --> 01:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>being seen on UFOs and John Ramirez to go back

1806
01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:01.520
<v Speaker 2>to him for a moment. One of the things that

1807
01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:04.159
<v Speaker 2>he did tell me. You know, he said he read

1808
01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:05.840
<v Speaker 2>my book Closer Encounters, and he said there were other

1809
01:46:05.880 --> 01:46:09.079
<v Speaker 2>people who were reading my book Closer Encounters. And he's like, listen,

1810
01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:10.840
<v Speaker 2>we don't understand how you got like eighty percent of

1811
01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:12.199
<v Speaker 2>this right. I mean eighty percent of what you have

1812
01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:13.720
<v Speaker 2>in this book. And he wouldn't tell me what twenty

1813
01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:15.760
<v Speaker 2>percent I got wrong, But eighty percent of what you

1814
01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:17.399
<v Speaker 2>have in this book lines up with what the CIA

1815
01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>is concluded. And he said, in particular, what the whistle

1816
01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:25.319
<v Speaker 2>so called whistleblowers who aren't whistleblowers because they go through

1817
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:28.760
<v Speaker 2>adopts or clearance process, which means they're actually spokesman in

1818
01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:32.520
<v Speaker 2>any case. What the two things they're never allowed to

1819
01:46:32.560 --> 01:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>talk about are the connection to the Nazis and Atlantis planteans.

1820
01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:45.239
<v Speaker 3>Meaning the human dimension of the UFO phenomenon. Very interesting.

1821
01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:48.600
<v Speaker 1>That is really interesting because that's the conclusion I've reached,

1822
01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:53.079
<v Speaker 1>is that it's the whole disclosure movement is basically to

1823
01:46:53.960 --> 01:46:57.239
<v Speaker 1>give plausible deniability for the people that are actually using

1824
01:46:57.279 --> 01:47:00.479
<v Speaker 1>this technology in a legal way. I think other people

1825
01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:03.359
<v Speaker 1>that would agree, are, you know, Stephen Greer for sure,

1826
01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:05.520
<v Speaker 1>even though he you know, he believes that the ets

1827
01:47:05.560 --> 01:47:07.039
<v Speaker 1>and stuff are there, but he also thinks that we're

1828
01:47:07.119 --> 01:47:11.359
<v Speaker 1>using illegally. Timothy Aberino who's shared his story of Peru

1829
01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:14.119
<v Speaker 1>where the face peelers or people being attacked, you know,

1830
01:47:14.159 --> 01:47:15.199
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of people out there that I

1831
01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:16.880
<v Speaker 1>think they're on the other side of it, that are

1832
01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:20.359
<v Speaker 1>looking at and going even if it does come from

1833
01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>some other origin, non human intelligence origin, we at this

1834
01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:28.159
<v Speaker 1>point it's pretty apparent that the evidence is that we're

1835
01:47:28.319 --> 01:47:31.720
<v Speaker 1>using it in corrupt ways, ways that are at minimum

1836
01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:36.039
<v Speaker 1>morally ambiguous, possibly just straight up illegal ways in which

1837
01:47:36.079 --> 01:47:38.159
<v Speaker 1>the public would never be able to wrap their brain

1838
01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:40.520
<v Speaker 1>around most likely. And that's what I want to get

1839
01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>into in the next part here is that right before

1840
01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:44.039
<v Speaker 1>I do that is I want to talk about the

1841
01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:47.079
<v Speaker 1>geopolitical implications. And the way I want to segue into

1842
01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:51.720
<v Speaker 1>this is that I read the nuclear critical nuclear classification codes.

1843
01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know anything about it. I figured, hey, if

1844
01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:56.840
<v Speaker 1>this is nuclear weapons, maybe there's some clues in how

1845
01:47:56.840 --> 01:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>we classify this stuff. First thing I find out is

1846
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:05.359
<v Speaker 1>we called sigmas, So there's sigma classifications for different let's

1847
01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:08.399
<v Speaker 1>say properties of thermonuclear weapons, not always defined based on

1848
01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:11.319
<v Speaker 1>property In fact, they read Obama redid them all in

1849
01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:14.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven, and so now they're super vague. Now it's

1850
01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>just like anything related to the operation and knowledge of thermonuclears.

1851
01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>But before they were actually specific. Sigma number one, very

1852
01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>first sigma is magneto hydrodynamics control of plasma with electromagnetic fields.

1853
01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:34.960
<v Speaker 1>That's the very first sigma categorization. So they use these

1854
01:48:34.960 --> 01:48:38.600
<v Speaker 1>categorizations like we do a test and it'll say Sigma one,

1855
01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:40.359
<v Speaker 1>and that's how they can just black it out, so

1856
01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that only like the president and people with their super

1857
01:48:42.600 --> 01:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>severe Yeah. So there you have it, and you want

1858
01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:47.760
<v Speaker 1>to know the other one. I read through them the

1859
01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:50.279
<v Speaker 1>two that I thought were the most interesting. Number one

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<v Speaker 1>magnetohydrodynamics that connects plasma directly to thermonuclear weapons, which isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that surprising, But if we think about the plasma non

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01:48:57.960 --> 01:49:01.319
<v Speaker 1>fishion triggers for clean fusion bombs, there you go. The

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01:49:01.359 --> 01:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>other one, Sigma eleven, which is just straight up inertial

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<v Speaker 1>confinement fusion, and I go, wow, okay, because there you go,

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01:49:09.199 --> 01:49:13.840
<v Speaker 1>there's your connection to Richter and his clean fusion. And

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out who are the pioneers of inertial confinement fusion. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Friibert Winterberg, the guy that I mentioned who was Heisenberg,

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<v Speaker 1>was his mentor on his textbook. On the cover of

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<v Speaker 1>his textbook says, inertial confinement fusion is the secret to

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<v Speaker 1>unlimited green energy for humanity, right on the front of

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01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the cover of the textbook. Just is It're right there?

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<v Speaker 1>And who are the other pioneers? Well, John Knuckles turns

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01:49:41.279 --> 01:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>out the literal guy that was developing the clean fusion

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<v Speaker 1>bomb is the guy that started the National Ignition Facility,

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01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:52.119
<v Speaker 1>the NIF, which we've finally just achieved in twenty twenty two.

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01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:55.800
<v Speaker 1>They achieved coefficient and performance or a Q factor they

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01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:58.680
<v Speaker 1>call it now greater than one, which means more energy out.

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<v Speaker 1>It was for a very brief period time, but it

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<v Speaker 1>shows the idea that it's possible. So this takes me

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<v Speaker 1>to the next part where it starts talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>geopolitical implications. And I want to segue into this through

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<v Speaker 1>something called the Jasons, because I want to get your

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<v Speaker 1>opinion on the Jason Group. This is idea, this Jason group,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's real, one hundred percent real. They have the

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<v Speaker 1>ideas that they are essentially professors that are that are

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<v Speaker 1>knowledgeable about black projects if they're not included in the

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01:50:24.279 --> 01:50:27.680
<v Speaker 1>black projects. And they meet with the CIA every summer

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<v Speaker 1>and they have a list of topics that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about, and the idea is that they determine

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<v Speaker 1>where the line is between the public knowledge of the

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<v Speaker 1>physics and national security essentially. And I can give two

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<v Speaker 1>examples real quick of when there were tribunals done by

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<v Speaker 1>the Jayson Group. One was actually Lowell Lowell Wood himself,

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<v Speaker 1>John Knuckles's colleague. He was written up by the Jasons

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<v Speaker 1>in like the seventies, maybe it was the eighties, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think the seventies because apparently he shared with the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese some equations, some probably like you know, geometric equation

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<v Speaker 1>type stuff that we use to make their a nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>So they wrote him up and it diminished his reputation significantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out he got off on kind of a technicality

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<v Speaker 1>where somebody was able to find a public scientific paper

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<v Speaker 1>that talked about those equations at least, so the story goes,

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01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:23.520
<v Speaker 1>But this damaged his reputation and he ended up not

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01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:26.079
<v Speaker 1>getting certain positions later on. So this is how they

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01:51:26.159 --> 01:51:28.279
<v Speaker 1>damage your careers. This is how they keep it secret.

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01:51:28.359 --> 01:51:30.800
<v Speaker 1>They make sure that everybody where the engineers stay in line.

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<v Speaker 1>And then one other example, which is a really interesting one.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot more recently in the two thousands, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Robert M. L. Baker, also known as Bob Baker.

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<v Speaker 1>He had an extensive about twenty or more papers on

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01:51:44.079 --> 01:51:51.000
<v Speaker 1>high frequency gravitational waves. Laboratory produced gravitational waves, including communications, telescopes,

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01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:53.920
<v Speaker 1>literally anything you could a kind of a meagre propulsion

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<v Speaker 1>related to them. His friend Gary Stevenson, who's a Boeing,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call him up lack project engineer. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that for a fact, but let's just say I'm

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01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:06.119
<v Speaker 1>pretty confident. Gary Stevenson tells this story to Tim Ventura

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01:52:06.319 --> 01:52:09.319
<v Speaker 1>and he says, Robert M. L. Baker was actually written

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<v Speaker 1>up by the Jasons by a guy named Ron Pandolfi

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<v Speaker 1>of the CIA. They put it on the agenda one

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01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:18.560
<v Speaker 1>summer and Gary Stevenson goes with Robert M. L. Baker two.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was San Diego where the tribunal was

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<v Speaker 1>being held, basically with the agenda, and they determine whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not Robert M. L. Baker shared too much information

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<v Speaker 1>with China. China once again about gravitational waves, and he

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01:52:32.600 --> 01:52:35.399
<v Speaker 1>also got a slap on the wrist where they argued.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently it was argued that the Gershenstein effect or reverse

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01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:43.079
<v Speaker 1>gershion Stein effect was not powerful enough to produce significant

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01:52:43.079 --> 01:52:46.520
<v Speaker 1>gravitational waves, therefore what he shared with China wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of national security. Blah blah blah. So those are

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple of examples. How in my mind, they've

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<v Speaker 1>basically been able to control academia as well as these

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01:52:58.279 --> 01:53:01.880
<v Speaker 1>nuclear engineers and scientists working on black projects so that

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't leak out because everybody's always I would tell

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<v Speaker 1>me out there, if this was real, people would know

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01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:09.000
<v Speaker 1>about it would be leaking out. But they built this

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01:53:09.119 --> 01:53:12.720
<v Speaker 1>culture of secrecy around the Manhattan Project that keeps it

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01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:16.680
<v Speaker 1>secret from even America, even public. So what do you

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<v Speaker 1>have any thoughts on the Jason situation and know any

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<v Speaker 1>information about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean I'm named after the same myth,

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01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:31.000
<v Speaker 2>you know. They're named after Jason and the Argonauts and

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01:53:31.079 --> 01:53:33.880
<v Speaker 2>the Quest for the Golden Fleece, which is a rather

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01:53:34.079 --> 01:53:37.439
<v Speaker 2>romantic iconography, you know for such an.

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<v Speaker 3>Organization that they're really like they're in search of the

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<v Speaker 3>Golden Fleece.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're going to go to this alien land and

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01:53:43.880 --> 01:53:47.319
<v Speaker 2>fight monsters on the way to bringing back the Golden Fleece. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, remember Jason was involved with the sorceress Medea,

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01:53:51.680 --> 01:53:54.520
<v Speaker 2>with whom he had children, and then she goes crazy

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<v Speaker 2>and kills his children. So that's a hell of a

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01:53:56.760 --> 01:54:00.319
<v Speaker 2>myth to base the name of an organization on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Jasons. Now, there's been some speculation that the term

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<v Speaker 2>MJ twelve refers to the twelve inner most high level

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01:54:11.760 --> 01:54:15.319
<v Speaker 2>members of the Jasons, that it's you know, Jason one

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<v Speaker 2>through twelve, member of Jason twelve. I asked John Ramirez

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<v Speaker 2>about that, among other things, and he said that that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the case. I don't know whether he knows that

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<v Speaker 2>for a fact, that you know, this group, which has

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<v Speaker 2>also sometimes been called Majestic or Majestic twelve, is a

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01:54:31.680 --> 01:54:34.720
<v Speaker 2>different group from the Jason's But some people have said

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing, and the first twelve Jasons are

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<v Speaker 2>the MJ twelve, which would then mean that they were,

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01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:45.640
<v Speaker 2>at least in the time of Eisenhower and probably Kennedy,

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01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:48.800
<v Speaker 2>the control group for you know, UFO Tech in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. So that's what I would say about them.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know you're mentioning China is really also relevant

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<v Speaker 3>to the question of the Jasons.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way that brings me back to something we

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01:55:06.039 --> 01:55:10.439
<v Speaker 2>said at the outset of the conversation about Trump's framing

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<v Speaker 2>of these weapons systems as our technology that's unrivaled in

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01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the world. If you ever have the chance to speak

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<v Speaker 2>with John Ramirez, one thing you might ask him about,

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01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:27.520
<v Speaker 2>which I'm not going to get into here, is the

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01:55:27.600 --> 01:55:30.960
<v Speaker 2>level of technology transferred to the People's Republic of China.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to say anything else about that, but.

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<v Speaker 2>What I will say is that if we have a

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01:55:38.680 --> 01:55:45.119
<v Speaker 2>group of basically like wizards in the various scientific disciplines

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01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:50.039
<v Speaker 2>and domains of technological development, who are ultimately responsible for

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01:55:50.159 --> 01:55:54.119
<v Speaker 2>perpetuating the hegemony of the United States and you know,

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01:55:54.800 --> 01:56:00.000
<v Speaker 2>guaranteeing our national security, why is it that we've allowed

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01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:04.039
<v Speaker 2>the Chinese and the Russians in other countries to catch

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01:56:04.119 --> 01:56:08.319
<v Speaker 2>up with this technology over the last seventy years When

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01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:12.640
<v Speaker 2>the paper trail suggests that by nineteen fifty one, working

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01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:18.920
<v Speaker 2>with our dear incorporated Nazi allies, we had this aneutronic

1985
01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:25.319
<v Speaker 2>fusion technology already. What explains this geopolitical strategy where we

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01:56:25.399 --> 01:56:28.399
<v Speaker 2>gave our rivals seventy years to try to catch up

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01:56:28.560 --> 01:56:30.720
<v Speaker 2>to the point where now we've got Chinese drones over

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01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:33.920
<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey and lordoswhere else that appear to be

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01:56:34.039 --> 01:56:37.359
<v Speaker 2>demonstrating some level of this electrogravitics technology.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So that bothers me.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your take on that question. I'm actually wondering that myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, I think here's where we need to look

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<v Speaker 2>at nine to eleven for example. And here I think

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Farrell's got it absolutely right that nine Okay, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we brought in and when I say we brought in,

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01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:04.720
<v Speaker 2>what I mean is that there were various vested interests

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01:57:04.720 --> 01:57:11.039
<v Speaker 2>in the United States, corporate elites, people controlling major industries

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01:57:11.800 --> 01:57:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and elements of the government that were already beholding to

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01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:20.359
<v Speaker 2>those corporate industrialists Rockefellers, Carlisles, Astors, Carnegie, the Bush family

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<v Speaker 2>who to begin and Morgan, oh JP Morgan who in

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01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:28.399
<v Speaker 2>the first place, and the Dulles brothers who were in

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01:57:28.479 --> 01:57:30.920
<v Speaker 2>business with Morgan and with the Rockefellers, and who all

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01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:33.520
<v Speaker 2>funded the rise of the Nazis, the rise of the

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01:57:33.560 --> 01:57:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Nazis and of Mussolini.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the we here Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 2>The people who brought the Nazis home in Operation paper Clip,

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<v Speaker 2>which was kind of a homecoming are the people who

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01:57:44.439 --> 01:57:49.039
<v Speaker 2>created fascism in Europe to begin with, all right, now,

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<v Speaker 2>they also appeared to be the people who fielded the

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<v Speaker 2>operation on nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>They had enough.

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01:57:56.479 --> 01:58:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Access to various les levels of security and operational capability

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<v Speaker 2>in this country to be able to carry out that

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01:58:06.800 --> 01:58:11.239
<v Speaker 2>operation and to confuse the normal security apparatus.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the United States on that day, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Confuse NORAD, to confuse the military, you know, with various

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01:58:16.319 --> 01:58:20.760
<v Speaker 2>exercises and so forth, and to know, for example, that

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<v Speaker 2>the Twin Towers would come down the way that they did.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know what a lot of people don't know

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<v Speaker 2>is that the largest realtor in the Twin Towers was

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<v Speaker 2>the National Security Agency and that the most important NSA

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01:58:35.039 --> 01:58:39.359
<v Speaker 2>facility outside of Fort Meade was in the World Trade Center,

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01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:44.720
<v Speaker 2>where the NSA was monitoring basically all the information from

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01:58:44.720 --> 01:58:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Wall Street, all signals, intelligence of financial transactions from Wall

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01:58:49.319 --> 01:58:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Street were being monitored by the NSA from the World

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01:58:51.960 --> 01:58:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Trade Center. So that was an incredibly sensitive intelligence facility

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<v Speaker 2>which at this was wired from the day the building

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<v Speaker 2>was built.

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<v Speaker 3>Those poor people.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm in a native New Yorker, and

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<v Speaker 2>there were stories all the time I was growing up

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<v Speaker 2>in New York. People used to call the World Trade

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<v Speaker 2>Center those tombs. Those tombs because it was rumored that

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<v Speaker 2>the buildings were wired from the time they were built,

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<v Speaker 2>so that in case they ever lost control of the

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<v Speaker 2>World Trade Center to a terrorist, to a natural disaster,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows whatever, and that data was potentially going to

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<v Speaker 2>be compromised, they were gonna pull the building.

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<v Speaker 3>They were gonna bring it down to control demolition. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So whoever carried out that operation on eleven knew that too.

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<v Speaker 3>They knew that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, one thing that nine to eleven shows you is

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a substratum of the American deep state

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<v Speaker 2>which has so thoroughly differentiated itself from the civilian government

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States and from mainstream American culture, or

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<v Speaker 2>the lack thereof whatever our culture has become, that it

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<v Speaker 2>attacked the United States on nine to eleven. See and

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<v Speaker 2>what's nine to eleven two thousand and one, It marks

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<v Speaker 2>one decade since the collapse of the Soviet Union, who was.

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<v Speaker 3>The arch rival of the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 2>The Soviet Union, so a bunch of Nazis were brought

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<v Speaker 2>home to the people who financed.

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<v Speaker 3>Them in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>They were used for like fifty years to collapse communism

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<v Speaker 2>and successfully defeat the Soviet Union. And then round about

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one these people declared some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a divorce from the US government in the attack of

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven. And so again, this problematizes President Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>statement that we have technology that nobody else has. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 2>they have technology that nobody else has, and whether we

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<v Speaker 2>can get control of that technology back is very much

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<v Speaker 2>an open question. And you have to ask yourself again,

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<v Speaker 2>why did they allow the rivals of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>to start to develop the same kind of technology? Are

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<v Speaker 2>they intending to oversee the destruction of what we consider

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<v Speaker 2>to be the United States or the American Republic in

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<v Speaker 2>a war with these rivals, and only over the ashes

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<v Speaker 2>and rubble of that confrontation emerges some kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>new imperium?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the plan here that concerns me gravely?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty much a conclusion that I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>you were making, too, which is that it goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to the one World government. I guess I'll call it

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<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy theory. But I happen to think that's probably

2075
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<v Speaker 1>where this goes to because I've constantly wondered, if we've

2076
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<v Speaker 1>had this figured out since the sixties, potentially unlimited energy,

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<v Speaker 1>why are we letting China and Russia catch up? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>We're not letting Iran do it. We just bombed Iran,

2079
02:02:07.439 --> 02:02:11.279
<v Speaker 1>we just destroy We let the Masad assassinate their nuclear scientists,

2080
02:02:11.359 --> 02:02:15.119
<v Speaker 1>we bomb their facilities, so we didn't let them do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you notice that China and Russia did literally nothing.

2082
02:02:18.399 --> 02:02:20.920
<v Speaker 1>We sent bombers over there, blew them up, flew back,

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<v Speaker 1>and Russian China said nothing in response, even though the

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<v Speaker 1>Iran's ally. It feels to me like there's some handshake

2085
02:02:28.439 --> 02:02:31.199
<v Speaker 1>agreements behind the scenes, or there's a couple different angles

2086
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<v Speaker 1>to it. One could be that we all know that

2087
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<v Speaker 1>with this technology exists, and we're just not gonna let

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<v Speaker 1>the primitive countries of the world ever have it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like you're either in the club and we're

2090
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<v Speaker 1>just kind of pretending to be adversarial when we're not.

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<v Speaker 1>The other angle of it is, well, the corporation aspect

2092
02:02:47.119 --> 02:02:50.119
<v Speaker 1>of it. The corporations are really the ones that own it.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense contractors have gotten kind of out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the part where I think I'm leaning

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<v Speaker 1>towards this, And what you're potentially saying is that these people,

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<v Speaker 1>these organizations that are you know, at this point transgenerational

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<v Speaker 1>corporate companies that have been around since the turn of

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<v Speaker 1>the century of the nineteen hundreds, are the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>really control the information, control the technology. And yes, there

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02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:16.560
<v Speaker 1>are clearly ties to the government, like we can pull

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02:03:16.600 --> 02:03:19.359
<v Speaker 1>the strings. And that's what makes me think that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Trump in his administration, you know, we talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>him being elected kind of disrupted the Hillary Clinton plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's actually starting to pull some of this, pull

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<v Speaker 1>this back a little bit. I mean, I pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that's what's going on. And that's the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why he's saying stuff like that, because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why else he would be dropping little hints like that

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<v Speaker 1>here there. But that's one of my thoughts. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the question from this is where is the line. But

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<v Speaker 1>my other problem is, well, if we have this super

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<v Speaker 1>advanced technology, then it's just a crime against humanity to

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<v Speaker 1>not be Why do we have so many poor people,

2114
02:03:53.960 --> 02:03:56.159
<v Speaker 1>why do we have so many homeless people in America?

2115
02:03:56.560 --> 02:03:59.560
<v Speaker 1>If we have unlimited green energy and we've had it

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<v Speaker 1>for six years. To me, that's the part where I

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<v Speaker 1>look at that. I go, they don't have the American

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02:04:05.159 --> 02:04:08.880
<v Speaker 1>people's best interest at heart. Whoever has this technology, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have it at that interest at heart. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I agree with you in terms of, you know,

2121
02:04:14.159 --> 02:04:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the people are hiding this that are nefarious, that you

2122
02:04:16.760 --> 02:04:20.800
<v Speaker 1>can argue are evil hiding this technology. But then the

2123
02:04:20.880 --> 02:04:23.319
<v Speaker 1>question is, well, what is the right thing to do?

2124
02:04:23.399 --> 02:04:25.119
<v Speaker 1>So the flip side of that is I go back

2125
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<v Speaker 1>to you actually when you talk to Danny Jones and said, well,

2126
02:04:28.359 --> 02:04:30.800
<v Speaker 1>we can't give everybody a time machine. If these are

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<v Speaker 1>literally time machines. We've built these miniatureized clean fusion bombs

2128
02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:37.720
<v Speaker 1>that can manipulate space time, we've made it that advanced.

2129
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<v Speaker 1>Then this is where it gets dark for people out there.

2130
02:04:40.800 --> 02:04:42.319
<v Speaker 1>And this is where people start to get really upset

2131
02:04:42.359 --> 02:04:45.720
<v Speaker 1>with my political opinions because I've got black pilled when

2132
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<v Speaker 1>I was researching this, and I'm going, we can't give

2133
02:04:47.680 --> 02:04:49.880
<v Speaker 1>this to people, Like I'm even sitting here wondering like

2134
02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:53.159
<v Speaker 1>why are we letting China and Russia get this? And

2135
02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:55.079
<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't be letting them get this, we should be

2136
02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:58.279
<v Speaker 1>letting anybody else get this. And as much as it

2137
02:04:58.359 --> 02:05:01.720
<v Speaker 1>sucks to say, we can't let Iran have this, we

2138
02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:05.119
<v Speaker 1>can't let any culture on this earth that would strap

2139
02:05:05.159 --> 02:05:08.920
<v Speaker 1>a bomb to themselves and blow themselves up can never

2140
02:05:09.079 --> 02:05:13.560
<v Speaker 1>have this technology. Ever, Like, that's probably a hard stance view.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think, Well, in the case of Iran,

2142
02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:20.760
<v Speaker 3>what you really mean is the Islamic Republic. I mean,

2143
02:05:21.319 --> 02:05:24.760
<v Speaker 3>the vast majority of Iranians are against this retarded theocratic

2144
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<v Speaker 3>regime and actually, probably demographically, Iran is the most pro

2145
02:05:29.760 --> 02:05:32.000
<v Speaker 3>American country on the face of the earth, much more

2146
02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:34.920
<v Speaker 3>pro American than any of the European countries at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>The Iranian people love America. So, you know, if Iran

2148
02:05:40.199 --> 02:05:43.880
<v Speaker 3>were governed by a regime that was representative of its people,

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02:05:43.960 --> 02:05:46.640
<v Speaker 3>then that might be another question. But I think the

2150
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<v Speaker 3>bigger problem is this that China and Russia are hierarchical,

2151
02:05:54.199 --> 02:06:00.920
<v Speaker 3>quasi feudal control systems where their governments could out and say,

2152
02:06:01.439 --> 02:06:04.640
<v Speaker 3>guess what, folks, we have this shit and we're using it,

2153
02:06:05.119 --> 02:06:08.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, for the glory of the Chinese people or

2154
02:06:08.399 --> 02:06:11.039
<v Speaker 3>for you know, the Russian Empire, and we're not going

2155
02:06:11.119 --> 02:06:13.520
<v Speaker 3>to share it with you in the civilian sphere, and

2156
02:06:13.600 --> 02:06:16.640
<v Speaker 3>people will just accept that because those are tyrannical regimes

2157
02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:20.079
<v Speaker 3>and you can get away with that in China and Russia,

2158
02:06:20.119 --> 02:06:21.880
<v Speaker 3>but you can't get away with that in America.

2159
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<v Speaker 2>So we're at a significant disadvantage there because of the

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02:06:25.479 --> 02:06:29.119
<v Speaker 2>socio political culture and constitutional principles of this country. So

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02:06:29.279 --> 02:06:32.760
<v Speaker 2>what would be required to mitigate that would be some

2162
02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:36.800
<v Speaker 2>tremendous cultural revolution in this country, which you.

2163
02:06:36.760 --> 02:06:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Know, is very far fetched.

2164
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<v Speaker 2>Frankly, you know, the idea that you're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a country where on the one hand, you have a

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02:06:45.600 --> 02:06:54.520
<v Speaker 2>bunch of evangelical, medieval minded backwater people who you know,

2167
02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:58.720
<v Speaker 2>are now increasingly framing UFOs exclusively in terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>angels and demons from the Bible. And on the other hand,

2169
02:07:01.640 --> 02:07:07.000
<v Speaker 2>you have a bunch of you know, SJW. Libtar lefties

2170
02:07:07.359 --> 02:07:10.359
<v Speaker 2>who want to basically burn down Western civilization because of

2171
02:07:10.399 --> 02:07:14.119
<v Speaker 2>all of its supposed transgressions against colonized people. With this

2172
02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:18.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of polarity that essentially sums up the political landscape

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<v Speaker 2>of America, I don't understand how these gatekeepers are supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to release this.

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<v Speaker 3>Technology to the citizen. You see, we were left with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And see that's where I fit into this conversation because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a ufologist. I'm a philosopher, and so what

2178
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<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to come up with in you know,

2179
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<v Speaker 2>the fifteen books I've written so far, is some kind

2180
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<v Speaker 2>of a philosophical framework for not just a political revolution,

2181
02:07:43.359 --> 02:07:48.039
<v Speaker 2>but a cultural revolution, a social and psychological reorientation of

2182
02:07:48.079 --> 02:07:52.840
<v Speaker 2>our people and our civilization without which it's a pipe

2183
02:07:52.920 --> 02:07:54.520
<v Speaker 2>dream to think that this is ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be public sector technology.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great point, and I think that's what the

2186
02:08:00.279 --> 02:08:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the UFO people really want to have happened. But I

2187
02:08:02.920 --> 02:08:04.800
<v Speaker 1>just don't think. I think it's a lot more challenging

2188
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<v Speaker 1>than they ever imagined, which is they need we need

2189
02:08:06.880 --> 02:08:10.960
<v Speaker 1>a psychological perspective shift, you know. And I think they think, oh, well,

2190
02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:13.960
<v Speaker 1>we tell everybody that the aliens are real, all of

2191
02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:16.479
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, everyone will just change and be like, oh,

2192
02:08:16.520 --> 02:08:18.399
<v Speaker 1>we've got to be better now, because there we're not

2193
02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:20.800
<v Speaker 1>we know our place in the universe now. And I

2194
02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:23.319
<v Speaker 1>don't see that happening at all. And I think that

2195
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<v Speaker 1>what the examples you gave are perfect examples of the

2196
02:08:27.720 --> 02:08:30.840
<v Speaker 1>divide and why both sides are not ready for it

2197
02:08:30.880 --> 02:08:33.760
<v Speaker 1>is that I don't hate how everybody's talking about, oh,

2198
02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:36.199
<v Speaker 1>they're angels and their demons. Now you know, we've got

2199
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<v Speaker 1>the evangelicals that are all about that, because now I

2200
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<v Speaker 1>see that, Okay, we're gonna reveal these this nuclear weapon technology,

2201
02:08:43.359 --> 02:08:47.159
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna go, it's demonic. The Satan made these weapons,

2202
02:08:47.239 --> 02:08:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and you know they're gonna take it to this extreme angle.

2203
02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:53.439
<v Speaker 1>I already see it happening, right, And then the other side,

2204
02:08:53.640 --> 02:08:54.760
<v Speaker 1>you've already.

2205
02:08:56.439 --> 02:08:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Keeps talking about how, oh where did nuclear weapons come from?

2206
02:08:59.800 --> 02:09:01.560
<v Speaker 3>You know where nuclear weapons came from.

2207
02:09:01.560 --> 02:09:03.720
<v Speaker 2>It must have been demons whispered nuclear weapons into the

2208
02:09:03.800 --> 02:09:06.720
<v Speaker 2>years of our scientists like Jackass go study the history

2209
02:09:06.760 --> 02:09:09.359
<v Speaker 2>of nuclear physics in Nazi Germany. That's where nuclear weapons

2210
02:09:09.399 --> 02:09:12.359
<v Speaker 2>came from.

2211
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<v Speaker 3>The Nazis are demons.

2212
02:09:14.199 --> 02:09:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Our entire post war military industrial complex is based on them.

2213
02:09:17.399 --> 02:09:19.920
<v Speaker 2>So we incorporated the demons thoroughly. If that's the case,

2214
02:09:20.119 --> 02:09:21.399
<v Speaker 2>and we'd be nothing without them.

2215
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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing that you you nailed it, which is

2216
02:09:24.119 --> 02:09:27.319
<v Speaker 1>if Tucker is right, then we are the demons. We

2217
02:09:27.560 --> 02:09:30.800
<v Speaker 1>are this Satan is the one making the weapon. Werner

2218
02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:35.720
<v Speaker 1>von Braun made. Nasts came over here from the Nazis, like, guys,

2219
02:09:35.880 --> 02:09:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing that I and so I heard that too,

2220
02:09:37.960 --> 02:09:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and I got really triggered kind of like you just

2221
02:09:39.640 --> 02:09:43.000
<v Speaker 1>did right there as well. And I am I'm worried

2222
02:09:43.039 --> 02:09:46.920
<v Speaker 1>about that narrative spreading. And then I guess on the

2223
02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:50.640
<v Speaker 1>other side, I'm just worried that the the lib tarted,

2224
02:09:50.800 --> 02:09:53.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, brainwash people that are out there that are

2225
02:09:54.039 --> 02:09:56.159
<v Speaker 1>they don't even know what they're protesting, you know, they

2226
02:09:56.159 --> 02:09:58.199
<v Speaker 1>have no I feel like they don't even have any

2227
02:09:58.199 --> 02:10:00.960
<v Speaker 1>purpose anymore. They're just out there looking for a reason.

2228
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<v Speaker 1>On the positive side, I could see this giving people

2229
02:10:04.199 --> 02:10:06.880
<v Speaker 1>purpose is that if we if they were to admit

2230
02:10:06.920 --> 02:10:10.119
<v Speaker 1>that we have this technology, people would go, oh wow,

2231
02:10:10.359 --> 02:10:12.760
<v Speaker 1>star Trek, we could actually Star Trek is a real

2232
02:10:12.840 --> 02:10:15.319
<v Speaker 1>thing that we could be trying to achieve. Now, I

2233
02:10:15.319 --> 02:10:17.720
<v Speaker 1>could see it giving these people some level of hope.

2234
02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:19.640
<v Speaker 1>But the flip side is these are the kinds of

2235
02:10:19.680 --> 02:10:22.560
<v Speaker 1>people that won't believe anything unless the authority tells them.

2236
02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:24.439
<v Speaker 1>And the problem is the authority is not the people

2237
02:10:24.439 --> 02:10:27.239
<v Speaker 1>they believe. Now, they're only gonna believe it if like

2238
02:10:27.600 --> 02:10:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden's corpse comes out and says, you know, the

2239
02:10:30.079 --> 02:10:32.680
<v Speaker 1>aliens are real and we've got this technology, they're never

2240
02:10:32.760 --> 02:10:34.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna believe it if Trump says it, you know, so

2241
02:10:35.439 --> 02:10:38.680
<v Speaker 1>we've got ourselves stuck in this situation where we This

2242
02:10:38.760 --> 02:10:40.840
<v Speaker 1>is what blackpills me the most is I don't see

2243
02:10:40.840 --> 02:10:43.079
<v Speaker 1>a path forward where we're gonna get to a point

2244
02:10:43.119 --> 02:10:47.079
<v Speaker 1>where we can manage this as a civilization. And this

2245
02:10:47.159 --> 02:10:48.520
<v Speaker 1>is the main reason why I wanted to talk to

2246
02:10:48.560 --> 02:10:53.359
<v Speaker 1>you from a philosophical perspective about you know, is humanity

2247
02:10:53.439 --> 02:10:56.439
<v Speaker 1>even ready for this technology? And when will we be?

2248
02:10:56.560 --> 02:10:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I think the gatekeepers might be right. I think that

2249
02:11:00.159 --> 02:11:02.520
<v Speaker 1>all the stuff we've talked about about the suppression since

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties, I think it might all be with good reason.

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02:11:06.119 --> 02:11:08.319
<v Speaker 1>I think that people in the sixties, when they figured

2252
02:11:08.319 --> 02:11:11.199
<v Speaker 1>this out, and maybe even before that, they met in

2253
02:11:11.239 --> 02:11:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a smoky room right the MJ twelve or the Jay

2254
02:11:14.079 --> 02:11:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Songs or whoever it was, and they decided this is

2255
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<v Speaker 1>too dangerous, We're not ready for this, and they probably

2256
02:11:20.479 --> 02:11:24.000
<v Speaker 1>built a plan, like probably Edward Teller was making plans

2257
02:11:24.039 --> 02:11:26.720
<v Speaker 1>about what year is this going to be really okay?

2258
02:11:26.720 --> 02:11:30.279
<v Speaker 1>When twenty fifty comes along, then we'll release this bit

2259
02:11:30.319 --> 02:11:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of information about it. You know, I could totally see

2260
02:11:33.000 --> 02:11:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a scenario where that plays out. And then so for me,

2261
02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:39.479
<v Speaker 1>the scary part that is like, Okay, well, am I

2262
02:11:39.560 --> 02:11:42.119
<v Speaker 1>even doing the right thing in revealing this? And I've

2263
02:11:42.199 --> 02:11:45.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of come to the conclusion that we just like

2264
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<v Speaker 1>I said, we have to teach people, We have to

2265
02:11:46.840 --> 02:11:49.920
<v Speaker 1>demystify it. We can't. We can't pretend like we're gonna

2266
02:11:49.920 --> 02:11:52.640
<v Speaker 1>be the ones to reveal disclosure. Instead, it has to

2267
02:11:52.720 --> 02:11:55.560
<v Speaker 1>be a learning and awakening process. And I think that

2268
02:11:55.560 --> 02:11:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't happen from us talking about demons, and it

2269
02:11:58.600 --> 02:12:01.079
<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen about us talking about little green men from

2270
02:12:01.079 --> 02:12:03.119
<v Speaker 1>other plants. I think it happens from us talking about

2271
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<v Speaker 1>the science right, talking about the science and the physics

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<v Speaker 1>of it and the history of it. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we'll bring it down to earth for people, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where people will be able to absorb it. Because

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<v Speaker 1>here's where I think will happen if we let's just

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<v Speaker 1>say we get this disclosure about all this technology comes

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<v Speaker 1>out right away. I mean, just think about the impacts

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<v Speaker 1>of this. You're gonna have possibly wars are gonna break

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02:12:24.640 --> 02:12:26.840
<v Speaker 1>out right over this technology. I think you'd agree on that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have economic collapse every power source now all

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<v Speaker 1>like what happens to the value of companies that are

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02:12:34.399 --> 02:12:39.399
<v Speaker 1>using obsolete technology goes to zero overnight? And then uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the big thing is that people's minds are

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02:12:42.039 --> 02:12:45.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna break. Like people's minds will actually break. And you've

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02:12:45.520 --> 02:12:49.600
<v Speaker 1>already seen people's minds breaking over relatively trivial matters in politics.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were to tell them like, hey, yeah, we

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02:12:51.680 --> 02:12:54.880
<v Speaker 1>actually like hit all this technology from you and sorry

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02:12:54.880 --> 02:12:57.720
<v Speaker 1>about that, like we've kind of been lying without lying

2289
02:12:57.760 --> 02:13:00.880
<v Speaker 1>to you directly, people are gonna act actually like you know,

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02:13:01.039 --> 02:13:04.159
<v Speaker 1>spoil like uh, you know, warning the risk he or whatever.

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02:13:04.199 --> 02:13:06.359
<v Speaker 1>But they're gonna hurt themselves, right, They're gonna like take

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02:13:06.399 --> 02:13:09.359
<v Speaker 1>their own lives potentially, like a significant number of people

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<v Speaker 1>not like you know that, right. So I look at

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02:13:12.640 --> 02:13:14.520
<v Speaker 1>it and I see all those And this is where

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<v Speaker 1>hal Putoff was on Joe Rogan. Hal Putoff went on

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02:13:17.279 --> 02:13:19.439
<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan and he's talking about I think he told

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<v Speaker 1>the story where he went to DC and they all

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02:13:22.760 --> 02:13:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the spooks met up together and they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they just put some numbers on age and they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out it's negative outcome. So we're just not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do disclosure. To me, that was the greatest how

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<v Speaker 1>Pudoff mentioned because you're just like, this is how flippant

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02:13:39.199 --> 02:13:41.800
<v Speaker 1>they are about a topic, that this is this huge.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, we're just gonna decide this by having a

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02:13:43.960 --> 02:13:45.680
<v Speaker 1>bunch of old white dudes go in a room and

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<v Speaker 1>put some numbers on a page and then if it

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02:13:47.640 --> 02:13:50.680
<v Speaker 1>comes out negative, well then sorry, no free energy for

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02:13:50.720 --> 02:13:53.560
<v Speaker 1>the world this year, this decade. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts, Yeah, listen to a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>old white dudes. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I recall correctly that happened under Obama, and

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<v Speaker 2>I can understand that Obama, being the first black president

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02:14:05.479 --> 02:14:07.479
<v Speaker 2>of the United States, didn't want to be responsible for

2314
02:14:07.520 --> 02:14:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the destruction of the economy of the United States and

2315
02:14:09.960 --> 02:14:14.399
<v Speaker 2>absolute social mayhem. Right, So he's the last person who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to agree to be the disclosure president, especially after

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02:14:17.520 --> 02:14:20.239
<v Speaker 2>put Off in company presented him with this study showing

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02:14:20.479 --> 02:14:23.079
<v Speaker 2>how catastrophic the consequences of disclosure would be.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I agree with.

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<v Speaker 2>You, and I really increasingly believe that the only way

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<v Speaker 2>forward is if we can look is humanity ready for disclosure?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, not, absolutely, under absolutely under no circumstances in a

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<v Speaker 2>world where you know, like what half the world is Muslim,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, like Africa's in the state that

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<v Speaker 2>it's in.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, Indians believe in the day of us.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they literally worshiped the entities which we can

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<v Speaker 2>see in the Mahabarata and Ramayana are associated with UFOs

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02:15:05.600 --> 02:15:09.119
<v Speaker 2>and antiquity. Right, so if any entities emerge, immediately, they're

2331
02:15:09.119 --> 02:15:11.119
<v Speaker 2>gonna fall down flat on their face and raise their

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<v Speaker 2>arms and worship them. Right in a world where China,

2333
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<v Speaker 2>if it's told by whatever overlords, this is the celestial hierarchy,

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<v Speaker 2>we are your ancestors. We have the mandate of Heaven.

2335
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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna get their entire high minded population to fall

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02:15:29.159 --> 02:15:31.319
<v Speaker 2>in line with that, and they're gonna then perpetuate tyranny

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02:15:31.319 --> 02:15:33.840
<v Speaker 2>over the rest of the planet with whatever hegemonic means

2338
02:15:33.840 --> 02:15:37.880
<v Speaker 2>they have. Okay, in such a world, humanity is not

2339
02:15:37.960 --> 02:15:39.800
<v Speaker 2>ready for disclosure, no question about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the culture of Star Trek ready for disclosure? Is

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02:15:45.960 --> 02:15:50.640
<v Speaker 2>the country of Star Wars ready for disclosure? Maybe maybe

2343
02:15:50.680 --> 02:15:56.520
<v Speaker 2>some subset of Americans who truly represent the American pioneering

2344
02:15:56.560 --> 02:16:00.239
<v Speaker 2>frontier spirit are ready to step into a wider world

2345
02:16:00.520 --> 02:16:05.479
<v Speaker 2>and do whatever it takes to retain their independence. But

2346
02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:09.800
<v Speaker 2>in order to protect that culture and to secure its

2347
02:16:09.880 --> 02:16:14.359
<v Speaker 2>dominance even in our own territory, let alone globally, what's

2348
02:16:14.399 --> 02:16:16.239
<v Speaker 2>going to have to take place as a coupdeta.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to have to be a cupdata. There is

2350
02:16:19.920 --> 02:16:24.119
<v Speaker 3>no way forward but for.

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02:16:24.239 --> 02:16:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Somehow us to inspire a coup within the American deep

2352
02:16:31.319 --> 02:16:36.799
<v Speaker 2>state and identify the individuals who, in their heart of

2353
02:16:36.879 --> 02:16:42.600
<v Speaker 2>hearts still believe in the American spirit. And you know,

2354
02:16:42.680 --> 02:16:46.399
<v Speaker 2>the manifest destiny of America in the sense.

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<v Speaker 3>In which Manly P.

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02:16:47.200 --> 02:16:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Hall understood it when he talked about the secret destiny

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<v Speaker 2>of America. You know where on the obverse of our

2358
02:16:52.959 --> 02:16:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Great Seal it says Novus ordo seclorum a new order

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02:16:56.879 --> 02:17:01.719
<v Speaker 2>of the ages. Is that America still alive? Are there

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<v Speaker 2>people in these deep black projects, in this emerging breakaway

2361
02:17:06.520 --> 02:17:09.319
<v Speaker 2>civilization who still believe in that vision of the future

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02:17:09.319 --> 02:17:11.479
<v Speaker 2>and are willing to fight for it? That's ultimately the

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<v Speaker 2>question is whether there's a vision can emerge that's both

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<v Speaker 2>inspiring enough and constructive enough to compel some of these

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<v Speaker 2>people to carry out a kudata. That's the only way,

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02:17:23.399 --> 02:17:25.079
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry to tell you it's going to be

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02:17:25.200 --> 02:17:28.200
<v Speaker 2>extremely ugly. It's going to be ugly domestically, and it's

2368
02:17:28.200 --> 02:17:31.719
<v Speaker 2>going to be absolutely horrific globally, horrific globally. People talk

2369
02:17:31.799 --> 02:17:35.319
<v Speaker 2>about the American Empire, especially the lefties, these lefties communist socialism,

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<v Speaker 2>the American Empire is the American empire that, folks, you

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02:17:39.159 --> 02:17:42.719
<v Speaker 2>have no fucking clue what an American empire would look

2372
02:17:42.799 --> 02:17:47.879
<v Speaker 2>like if one actually ever emerged with aneutronic fusion technology,

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02:17:48.040 --> 02:17:50.959
<v Speaker 2>you have no fucking clue. And whether or not an

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<v Speaker 2>American empire actually emerges in a constructive and positive sense

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02:17:54.639 --> 02:17:58.920
<v Speaker 2>will depend on whether you know a philosophically sophisticated vision

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<v Speaker 2>that distills the essence of Star Trek and Star Wars

2377
02:18:02.600 --> 02:18:05.600
<v Speaker 2>and their visions of the future can actually win the

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02:18:05.600 --> 02:18:08.879
<v Speaker 2>hearts and minds of some of the maybe younger people

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02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:11.120
<v Speaker 2>within the extent power structure.

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<v Speaker 1>Really well said, and I think this is why I've

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02:18:15.840 --> 02:18:18.959
<v Speaker 1>now moved my focus towards AID neutronic fusion, is that

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<v Speaker 1>I think that aidentronic fusion is basically tapping directly into

2383
02:18:21.799 --> 02:18:25.319
<v Speaker 1>zero point energy, tapping into an unlimited energy source that

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02:18:25.440 --> 02:18:28.319
<v Speaker 1>is out there and will change everything. Now I already

2385
02:18:28.319 --> 02:18:31.200
<v Speaker 1>said that there's all these negative reasons why disclosure can

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<v Speaker 1>never happen. You even agreed, And I think one of

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<v Speaker 1>the other ones that I didn't even mention was the

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02:18:34.959 --> 02:18:37.840
<v Speaker 1>legal implications. This gets mentioned by the UFO people too,

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<v Speaker 1>is that, Oh, well, it turns out Lockheed Martin, for example,

2390
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<v Speaker 1>built a compact fusion reactor. Charles Chase built it for

2391
02:18:43.920 --> 02:18:46.559
<v Speaker 1>him in twenty fourteen. It went dark in twenty eighteen,

2392
02:18:46.639 --> 02:18:49.280
<v Speaker 1>but his resume says that it was successful and it

2393
02:18:49.319 --> 02:18:52.399
<v Speaker 1>is breathing on its own. So he built a compact

2394
02:18:52.399 --> 02:18:55.000
<v Speaker 1>fusion reactor for them. So what happens to Lockheed Martin

2395
02:18:55.319 --> 02:18:58.000
<v Speaker 1>when it turns out that the government's been playing favorites

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02:18:58.000 --> 02:19:00.680
<v Speaker 1>for sixty years and now that's that's the only reason

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02:19:00.680 --> 02:19:03.239
<v Speaker 1>why they're a you know, whatever billion dollar company that

2398
02:19:03.280 --> 02:19:06.440
<v Speaker 1>they are. They're gonna get sued. They're gonna get sued.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've built these perverse incentive structures where now the

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<v Speaker 1>corporations that have been developing this technology for the military

2401
02:19:14.840 --> 02:19:17.879
<v Speaker 1>industrial complex, they don't want it to come out because

2402
02:19:17.879 --> 02:19:20.000
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna go bankrupt if they do. Their shareholders they're

2403
02:19:20.000 --> 02:19:22.959
<v Speaker 1>beholding to their shareholders so that's a big concern for me.

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02:19:23.000 --> 02:19:25.639
<v Speaker 1>But I think disclosure is gonna happen anyway, and I

2405
02:19:25.639 --> 02:19:27.799
<v Speaker 1>think that they know it, and that's what they're afraid of.

2406
02:19:27.840 --> 02:19:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I think that when they put those dates out there,

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02:19:29.639 --> 02:19:32.319
<v Speaker 1>they say twenty twenty seven, twenty thirty, whatever, they don't

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02:19:32.360 --> 02:19:34.959
<v Speaker 1>know the exact date. But what they know is that

2409
02:19:35.360 --> 02:19:39.360
<v Speaker 1>we're not ready. But the information, the technology advancing so

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02:19:39.520 --> 02:19:42.200
<v Speaker 1>fast that they can't slow it down enough that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been sixty years, that may seem like a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the cosmic scheme of the universe, that's just

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<v Speaker 1>the blink of an eye, and that yes, they've been

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02:19:49.920 --> 02:19:51.680
<v Speaker 1>hiding for sixty years. But I think that they hope

2415
02:19:51.719 --> 02:19:53.959
<v Speaker 1>that they could hide it for hundreds of years as

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02:19:54.000 --> 02:19:56.079
<v Speaker 1>opposed to hiding it for just sixty And I think

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02:19:56.079 --> 02:19:59.840
<v Speaker 1>they know, especially now with AI, that the AI is soon.

2418
02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna start spitting out the answers to these gravitations.

2419
02:20:03.399 --> 02:20:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Get the AI can pay runs do what you and

2420
02:20:05.079 --> 02:20:07.799
<v Speaker 1>I are doing at this point already. And so it's

2421
02:20:07.840 --> 02:20:10.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna start spitting these answers out and people are gonna

2422
02:20:10.360 --> 02:20:12.440
<v Speaker 1>be going But wait, no, nukes shouldn't be able to

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02:20:12.479 --> 02:20:14.479
<v Speaker 1>manipulate space time. They didn't tell me they could do that.

2424
02:20:14.559 --> 02:20:16.680
<v Speaker 1>And then AI's been like, yeah, keam, they figured it out.

2425
02:20:16.680 --> 02:20:19.799
<v Speaker 1>It was you know, Richter and Knuckles and what have you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's the thing. And then with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to well, how does it change, I also want to

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02:20:25.040 --> 02:20:27.079
<v Speaker 1>address this last at this point, and then I'll I

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<v Speaker 1>think we can do some final thoughts here as well.

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<v Speaker 1>This is kind of my final thoughts is that I

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<v Speaker 1>agree that it's never gonna come out from the current

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02:20:33.920 --> 02:20:36.639
<v Speaker 1>power structure as it's been developed, because they built the

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02:20:36.719 --> 02:20:38.600
<v Speaker 1>system in a way for it to never be able

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02:20:38.639 --> 02:20:40.200
<v Speaker 1>to come out, and that's how they were able to

2435
02:20:40.239 --> 02:20:42.680
<v Speaker 1>hide it for sixty years. But that's the way. There's

2436
02:20:42.719 --> 02:20:45.319
<v Speaker 1>no pathway for it to come out legally, and I

2437
02:20:45.319 --> 02:20:48.159
<v Speaker 1>think that's why you're seeing the hal putoffs that Eric Davis's.

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02:20:48.799 --> 02:20:51.479
<v Speaker 1>Eric Davis just had an interview yesterday where he said

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02:20:52.159 --> 02:20:54.920
<v Speaker 1>he would need either an executive order or a pardon

2440
02:20:55.600 --> 02:20:58.159
<v Speaker 1>before he would go talk to Congress, because otherwise he

2441
02:20:58.200 --> 02:21:01.440
<v Speaker 1>would lose his pension, go to prison, et cetera. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's part of the reason, is that

2443
02:21:03.520 --> 02:21:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the system was set up in a way for it

2444
02:21:04.959 --> 02:21:06.719
<v Speaker 1>to never be able to come out, which means that

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02:21:06.760 --> 02:21:08.639
<v Speaker 1>the only way we could get it out is basically

2446
02:21:08.680 --> 02:21:12.000
<v Speaker 1>a coup d'ta or some sort of overthrowing of the system.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I'm afraid of because I think that

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02:21:14.079 --> 02:21:14.879
<v Speaker 1>would be very ugly.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you mentioned, go ahead, yes, it'll be very ugly,

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02:21:19.040 --> 02:21:21.520
<v Speaker 2>but there's absolutely no other way forward. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>what you started to say, you know, at the beginning

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02:21:23.319 --> 02:21:25.879
<v Speaker 2>of that in terms of lockheed and litigation is just

2453
02:21:25.920 --> 02:21:28.319
<v Speaker 2>another example of it. I mean, look, there is no

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<v Speaker 2>way that our current legal structure and even our current

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02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:40.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, corporate organization and infrastructure, like corporate organization in

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02:21:40.600 --> 02:21:45.120
<v Speaker 2>the sense of like electricity providers, you know, the petroleum industry,

2457
02:21:45.559 --> 02:21:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the auto industry, Like this fucks everything. You're going to

2458
02:21:49.799 --> 02:21:54.440
<v Speaker 2>need to like fundamentally re engineer our society, and that

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02:21:54.639 --> 02:22:00.520
<v Speaker 2>cannot happen except around a new idea or a new

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02:22:00.639 --> 02:22:04.840
<v Speaker 2>interpretation of the American idea. Otherwise, if it happens in

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<v Speaker 2>a vacuum, it's going to only lead to one place,

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02:22:07.120 --> 02:22:08.040
<v Speaker 2>and one place fast.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's totalitarianism, okay.

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02:22:10.200 --> 02:22:14.440
<v Speaker 2>In other words, just brute totalitarianism with no greater vision

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02:22:14.719 --> 02:22:21.079
<v Speaker 2>or idea behind it. So again, I returned to my

2466
02:22:21.159 --> 02:22:26.040
<v Speaker 2>closing thought that what we are in need of in

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02:22:26.079 --> 02:22:32.200
<v Speaker 2>this country, more than anything else, is a new philosophical

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02:22:32.440 --> 02:22:36.799
<v Speaker 2>vision of the American destiny. What it was that the

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<v Speaker 2>founders of this country, who were brilliant wise men, were

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<v Speaker 2>reaching torque as best as they could in an era

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<v Speaker 2>before Darwin. Okay, we need to post Darwinian, post Heisenbergian,

2472
02:22:51.840 --> 02:22:59.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, evolutionary quantum understanding of the relationship between me

2473
02:23:00.040 --> 02:23:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and the cosmos that the founders of this country intuited rightly,

2474
02:23:06.520 --> 02:23:09.600
<v Speaker 2>That's what we need and until nonetheless certain elements of

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02:23:09.600 --> 02:23:12.360
<v Speaker 2>our deep state can be inspired by that, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't agree more. Jason, I think this has been my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite conversation that I've ever had on my podcast. We

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<v Speaker 1>seem to have bangers every single time. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to thank you so much for this conversation. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to give you a quick minute to plug

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your content where people can find you and

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<v Speaker 1>get in touch with you, and just thank you once again,

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<v Speaker 1>so so much for this conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>So go ahead, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>Reza Georgianni on Substack and Jason Georgianni on X and

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<v Speaker 2>my latest book, thanosis. There are links to that on Exit.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually just came out today officially. It's a book on death, rebirth,

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<v Speaker 2>on the afterlife. Very metaphysical, Ashton, My thanks also to

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<v Speaker 2>you for your intrepid, very courageous and tenacious research. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that it doesn't win a lot of friends sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I applaud you for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, sir. Let's do this again soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it