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Speaker 1: up with our next guest. But when you hear the
Speaker 1: Godfather theme music, it means one thing. The Godfather of
Speaker 1: Utah sports talk radio himself, Gordon Monson on a Friday
Speaker 1: afternoon Gordo, Happy Friday, buddy.
Speaker 2: How are we doing.
Speaker 3: I'm doing just fine.
Speaker 4: How are you doing, Spence? Some things are going well
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, things are great, Things are great.
Speaker 1: I promise I won't do the entire hit about the
Speaker 1: following topic, but I've got to start out with it.
Speaker 1: Who chose your hat that you wore at your daughter's
Speaker 1: wedding on the north shore of a Wahoo.
Speaker 4: It was kind of a toss up.
Speaker 2: It was not you. It wasn't you. That's all I know.
Speaker 2: You did not choose that.
Speaker 4: Hut uh bro was well. My wife and I was
Speaker 4: enjoined at first.
Speaker 2: There it is there, it is whatever.
Speaker 4: It was sunny and hot and I had to.
Speaker 3: Cool waff a little Gordon.
Speaker 1: I have looked at the picture of your family seventy
Speaker 1: five thousand times, with your beautiful daughters, your beautiful wife,
Speaker 1: and then, my man, is that a fedora?
Speaker 2: Is where you were? Is that a fedora that you
Speaker 2: were rocking?
Speaker 4: I don't know what you would consider at all I
Speaker 4: know is it cost me.
Speaker 1: What I want to know is what the price stag
Speaker 1: of the whole wedding was. But I'm not going to
Speaker 1: ask you that on the radio. Hey, look, you rocked it, buddy,
Speaker 1: You look good. I mean, I just the thing about
Speaker 1: the picture is all of your daughters and your wife
Speaker 1: are so fashion conscious, and they're so dressed up and
Speaker 1: so nice. It looked to me like you walked out
Speaker 1: with your old suit on, and Lisa was like, we've
Speaker 1: got to do something, so you're wearing this damn hat.
Speaker 5: Well, I had a suit, I had a perfect suit
Speaker 5: for the occasion, and I pull it out and my wife,
Speaker 5: but my daughter says, you can't wear that suit.
Speaker 4: That's what the groma is wearing. So I had the
Speaker 4: resort to this thing that was like five sizes too
Speaker 4: big for me.
Speaker 3: By the way, those.
Speaker 4: Pictures, every time I look at pictures at a wedding,
Speaker 4: and that includes one of my daughters. I think, okay,
Speaker 4: it's time to drop a few wellbs. But anyway, it
Speaker 4: turned out really well, so I was happy about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, the hat just rules so hard. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it again. It's such a good look.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm proud of you. I'm happy for you,
Speaker 1: and you've done it right. All the daughters are now
Speaker 1: betrothed or with their partners. That's a nice accomplishment for
Speaker 1: mom and dad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all taken care of from that
Speaker 4: same point. But this is my fourth wedding at which
Speaker 4: I was the officiant, and I'm batting five.
Speaker 3: Hundred because two of them ended up divorced.
Speaker 4: But if you're bad five hundred, that ain't bad. I
Speaker 4: guess you know that would lead the league.
Speaker 2: That's a hall of fame career. Gordo.
Speaker 1: You know what, since you brought that up, I need
Speaker 1: to ask your advice. My little cousin, Madison has asked
Speaker 1: me to officiate her wedding in July. I'm not exactly
Speaker 1: sure what she was thinking, but any advice for your boy,
Speaker 1: as I'm set to do what you've done multiple times
Speaker 1: next month This.
Speaker 4: Is what I would do if I were you, and
Speaker 4: it's what I've done at most of the weddings that
Speaker 4: I have, you know, been the officiants.
Speaker 3: I interview them beforehand.
Speaker 4: I find out what they love about each other and
Speaker 4: then express that to those congregated and that usually works
Speaker 4: out pretty well.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I like doing it that way since my daughter got
Speaker 4: married on the beach. This time, I had the groom
Speaker 4: and the bride both get a container of sand and
Speaker 4: pour it into this sea glass container where they're mixing
Speaker 4: their sand into one and then I had everybody who
Speaker 4: was there take a small We handed out small shells,
Speaker 4: and everybody who was there, it was a small gathering, added.
Speaker 3: A little shell to the to the mix. So I
Speaker 3: thought that was kind of a nice idea.
Speaker 1: I'm very impressed. There's no way that was your idea, though.
Speaker 2: I knew it.
Speaker 4: I looked up the sand thing, but my wife's idea
Speaker 4: was for everybody who was there to put a little
Speaker 4: shell in there, So you know, it was it was
Speaker 4: very It was very cool. But this is what I
Speaker 4: found outspense. You know, every so many people go out
Speaker 4: there and they spend all this money on on an
Speaker 4: elaborate affair and all this stuff and keeping it.
Speaker 3: Small and quaint.
Speaker 4: It's kind of nice.
Speaker 1: The pictures looked wonderful, and of course I teas, I
Speaker 1: love your family. Looks like you guys had a great time,
Speaker 1: and that just that hat just killed me.
Speaker 2: Man, I loved it. But let's we can move on, Cordo.
Speaker 1: We can we can move on because since you and
Speaker 1: I last spoke, there have been a lot of news
Speaker 1: locally that I like to discuss with you. Most recently,
Speaker 1: Austin Ainge has been added to the Jazz front office
Speaker 1: as they're president of the basketball operations, and Ryan Smith
Speaker 1: himself said during the press conference that this is now
Speaker 1: the guy. It's Austin show. He's calling the shots, meaning
Speaker 1: Danny his dad reports to him. Justin'sanik, the GM reports
Speaker 1: to him as well. So your reaction and what you
Speaker 1: think this means for the Utah Jazz is they're going
Speaker 1: to try to continue this rebuild that's into your four
Speaker 1: without a lot of for retraction.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he says, the tanks he is over. That doesn't
Speaker 4: mean the losing's over. I mean, I think it's going
Speaker 4: to go on for a while yet. But Ustin name
Speaker 4: seems like a bright guy.
Speaker 3: You can look at it in one of two ways.
Speaker 4: I mean, either there's nepotism going on here or you
Speaker 4: know this, this is a person who can come in
Speaker 4: here and add energy. He was with the Celtics, all
Speaker 4: those we remember him, spenceon just being a player down
Speaker 4: at BYU. You know, that's the thing. You see these
Speaker 4: You see these guys grow up, you know, and they
Speaker 4: turn into adults. And I think Alston names is a
Speaker 4: fairly capable guy. So we'll see what he can do.
Speaker 1: So let's dig into what he said about the tanking stuff.
Speaker 1: And you're the way you articulated I think is the
Speaker 1: right way to articulate it, Like, just because the tanking
Speaker 1: is apparently over, doesn't mean the losing is apparently over.
Speaker 1: So what do you think it's going to look like, Gordon?
Speaker 1: Because here's what I perceive to be the number one
Speaker 1: priority for next season. It's very simple. So if the
Speaker 1: Jazz did not owe a top eight protected picked Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City next year, I feel differently about the approach. But
Speaker 1: because they do, the worst possible thing that could happen
Speaker 1: this year is the Jazz winning like thirty five games
Speaker 1: and we're all sitting here next spring, and Mark Tatum
Speaker 1: pulls out the envelope and says, the number nine pick
Speaker 1: in the draft belongs to the Utah Jazz. Me mean,
Speaker 1: it belongs to the Oklahoma City Thunder. They have to
Speaker 1: maintain that asset. Gordo, that's my opinion. Give me your
Speaker 1: thoughts on it. And if so, what do you think
Speaker 1: this year is going to look like?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, especially bring up a great point there, but
Speaker 4: I think at some at some juncture, the Jazz have
Speaker 4: to be able to go out and let those players
Speaker 4: play as hard as they possibly can and win as
Speaker 4: many games as they possibly can. Because I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's interesting a lot of people look at OKAC and
Speaker 4: they say, oh, that's a blueprint for the Jazz to follow. Well,
Speaker 4: that'd be great. I mean, Austin Ainge is smart, dude,
Speaker 4: I don't think he's quite at Sam Presty's level. I
Speaker 4: mean what that guy did to build that team, you know,
Speaker 4: trading two all stars and then freeing up some flexibility.
Speaker 4: That sounds familiar Jazz fans. I mean it is sort
Speaker 4: of what the Jazz are looking at now, what they did.
Speaker 3: But what's the difference. Okay, see got an MVP?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: He's traded for an MVP and whether the Jazz can
Speaker 4: find that kind of leadership I really don't know. And
Speaker 4: you have to get lucky, but you have to be
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. Austin Age has to be smarter than
Speaker 4: just about everybody else in the league. Is he is
Speaker 4: he at that level of spence. I don't know whether
Speaker 4: he is. It may sound unfair, but that's sort of
Speaker 4: what quote unquote small market teams have to do. They
Speaker 4: have to they have to get lucky in the draft,
Speaker 4: but they have to recognize talent and get it one
Speaker 4: way or the other. They have to figure out what
Speaker 4: they have and unload what what what they can unload
Speaker 4: without hurting the building process and get guys who others
Speaker 4: might not think are as good as they might be.
Speaker 4: And that's what ulstin Ange has to do, regardless of
Speaker 4: where the pigs are that they get. I mean, it
Speaker 4: just has it has to happen that way. The thing
Speaker 4: about Okay, see though they haven't forfeited many of their
Speaker 4: draft picks, they could still get better based on the
Speaker 4: after the smart decisions they've made to build that build
Speaker 4: that roster into what it is. And of course SCA
Speaker 4: I mean those guys don't grow on trees. And where
Speaker 4: the Jazz is going to get a player like that,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look a lot of good stuff there.
Speaker 1: You know, It's interesting to understand the narrative of the
Speaker 1: finals in front of us, where there are two teams
Speaker 1: that parlayed Paul George into two star players. If you
Speaker 1: think about it, I mean, Indiana had Paul George. They
Speaker 1: traded Paul George DOKC for Victo Ladipo and Domo Sabanas Sabonis.
Speaker 1: Then they traded Domo Sabonis to Sacramento for Tyree Saliburton,
Speaker 1: and then Oklahoma City flips Paul George to the Clippers
Speaker 1: for Shay Gilgess, Alexander a couple of other pieces like
Speaker 1: Danilo Gallinari and five picks one has turned into Jalen Williams.
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is, look, I know
Speaker 1: that when they traded Mitchell, When the Jazz traded Mitchell,
Speaker 1: there was this celebration of the hall they got in return.
Speaker 1: I don't think they got enough. I really don't. And
Speaker 1: I like Lowry the Ringer just released our top one
Speaker 1: hundred players in the NBA. The Jazz have one on
Speaker 1: the list. It's Lowry who's fifty three, and Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 1: is twenty eight years old in his prime. He's the
Speaker 1: eighth best player in pro basketball according to the Ringer.
Speaker 1: So look, there are still draft picks that can be conveyed.
Speaker 1: They had some other pieces in that deal. Colin Sexton
Speaker 1: has been fine for the Jazz. Oh Chiobaji was good
Speaker 1: in Toronto. Didn't work out here, but Sam Presty and
Speaker 1: the Indiana Front office turned Paul George into cornerstones, and
Speaker 1: I don't know that the Jazz did that with Donovan,
Speaker 1: who is a top ten player in his prime.
Speaker 3: Gordon, Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. Spence.
Speaker 4: I know you study this stuff and you're right on
Speaker 4: the money in my opinion. I mean, Sam Presty, I
Speaker 4: have so much respect for that guy. I don't know him.
Speaker 4: Have you talked with him.
Speaker 2: I've met him a couple of times.
Speaker 1: He was with the Spurs for a number of years
Speaker 1: before they the Sonic sired and then obviously okay, see
Speaker 1: after they left Seattle.
Speaker 4: People talk about luck, you need luck, and yeah, you
Speaker 4: do a little bit here and there. But Sam Presty's
Speaker 4: just been smarter than everybody else. And as far as
Speaker 4: what the Pacers have done. You know, there's been a
Speaker 4: lot of talk about this small market finals and whatnot,
Speaker 4: but these two teams have proved to me that you
Speaker 4: you don't have to be in some huge market in
Speaker 4: order to make it work.
Speaker 3: The Pacers.
Speaker 4: So we talked about what OKAC has done, and but
Speaker 4: what the Pacers have done, not only have they gotten
Speaker 4: some talent. You talked about Halliburton, Holy Casts. He shoots
Speaker 4: it like you did back in the days, just in
Speaker 4: those clutch moments. I mean, he's just he's just exactly
Speaker 4: what a team needs. And so that's the second part
Speaker 4: of the two stage rocket here is you got to
Speaker 4: get the players and then you've got to implement something
Speaker 4: that works for them in their best interests. And that's
Speaker 4: so the Pacers have done. I'm sure you've broken down
Speaker 4: what they do offensively.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love people talk about that.
Speaker 3: I want to see New York.
Speaker 4: I want to see the Lakers in the finals, who
Speaker 4: are not No. I love this matchup. I love what
Speaker 4: we're seeing the way the Pacers. I mean, I compare it.
Speaker 4: I was writing to column and compare it to sort
Speaker 4: of a Jiffy pop kind of offense.
Speaker 3: It's conceptual in nature.
Speaker 4: But I get the feeling that the players are free
Speaker 4: to do what they want to do. You know, they
Speaker 4: set all those screens, and they move the ball and
Speaker 4: they get up the floor, and it's just fun to watch.
Speaker 4: I don't need to have Lebron James in the finals
Speaker 4: in order to enjoy it. I mean, what these teams
Speaker 4: do that game the last night was what basketball fan
Speaker 4: wouldn't love?
Speaker 1: That jiffy pop, as in the popcorn that you put
Speaker 1: on a stovetop like forty years ago.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 4: They did not have that anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, you know, but what I mean.
Speaker 2: Is jiffy pop? Are you kidding? Happier readers have never
Speaker 2: even heard of that?
Speaker 4: Gordon Okay, so I probably could have found a different
Speaker 4: analogy there. But all I know is that offense explodes
Speaker 4: kind of like popcorn colonels, you know. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: just it's fun to watch. And I'm not even sure
Speaker 4: the players know exactly what they're gonna do with the
Speaker 4: ball every time down the floor. It's they know the
Speaker 4: basics of what they like to do, and they're familiar
Speaker 4: with one another.
Speaker 3: But it's just this kind of.
Speaker 4: I don't know, yeah, explosive offense. It's that really adds
Speaker 4: to the you know, the color features of the game.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you landed on Jeffy Pop, but we
Speaker 1: can move on that. The good news, Gordon, if you're
Speaker 1: a jazz fan is there's one top three pick on
Speaker 1: both of these rosters, and it's Chet. He's the only
Speaker 1: top three pick on both these rosters. So that's the
Speaker 1: good news. The bad news if if you're a jazz
Speaker 1: fan is Oklahoma City and in a way Indiana. But
Speaker 1: Indiana has done this a little bit differently because they
Speaker 1: were able to get Pascal Siakam when Toronto decided to
Speaker 1: yard sale and they you know, and they already had
Speaker 1: Halliburton on the roster. Miles Turner has been there forever.
Speaker 1: Aaron Ne Smith was a Celtic but couldn't get off
Speaker 1: the bench. So as far like they drafted Benedict Matherin
Speaker 1: Andrew Nemhard, but they have not got about this the
Speaker 1: same way Oklahoma City has. The bad news for the
Speaker 1: Jazz is at this point the jury is still out
Speaker 1: on all of their picks. Like so I can say
Speaker 1: the good news is they're not. The only top three
Speaker 1: pick in the finals is chet Holmgren. But whether it's
Speaker 1: top three, top five, top ten, top fifteen, both rounds,
Speaker 1: you have to draft the right players. It sounds so
Speaker 1: reductive and simple, but you have to hit on the
Speaker 1: picks and you have to start to develop.
Speaker 2: And they did not draft Walker.
Speaker 1: He was part of the go Bear deal, but he
Speaker 1: has developed under under Will Hardy. There's some things to
Speaker 1: like about Callier, but dude, I don't think Isaiah Callier
Speaker 1: and Cante George even make Oklahoma Cities roster, and I
Speaker 1: don't think Larry.
Speaker 2: Starts for them.
Speaker 1: So the bad news is there just is not a
Speaker 1: lot in the cupboard which leads us to number five.
Speaker 1: This feels like as important as a draft for the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz in a number of years.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one hundred percent. And there's somebody out there.
Speaker 4: There's somebody in this draft that isn't going to be
Speaker 4: picked in the first four selections that can really help
Speaker 4: a team in a major, major way. And this is
Speaker 4: where Austin Inge has to.
Speaker 3: Dial in on that guy. Who is it?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean yeah, they say, well, you get lucky
Speaker 4: sometimes you hit sometimes you miss it. No, the Jazz
Speaker 4: can't afford to miss.
Speaker 3: They've missed a couple.
Speaker 4: Times already in my opinion, as you articulated, and this
Speaker 4: time they cannot miss. They have to take advantage of
Speaker 4: what they have here and then once if they do
Speaker 4: hit on their draft picks, then they got to do
Speaker 4: what the Pacers and what okay see you have done
Speaker 4: and selecting a guy that they can bring in who
Speaker 4: may be less thought of than what the Jazz recognize
Speaker 4: that they can be. I mean you mentioned the trades,
Speaker 4: the Pacers getting Halliburton and okay See getting a CA.
Speaker 4: I mean those are just really savvy, smart moves by
Speaker 4: smart front office people. How smart are the Jazz front
Speaker 4: office guys? Danny, I don't know, his golf game's probably
Speaker 4: really good. Austin seems like he's more dialed in and
Speaker 4: maybe he's on top of these things. But I mean
Speaker 4: if they miss, if they miss, then they flounder.
Speaker 3: And think about it.
Speaker 4: In the past, when the Jazz hit on draft picks,
Speaker 4: then it really helped them. I mean, we don't need
Speaker 4: to go through the stockton A loans the situations of
Speaker 4: sixteen to thirteen. I mean, looking at it when they
Speaker 4: got Downovan Mitchell and others. It was through smart, smart
Speaker 4: moves by the Jazz, So recognizing the kind of talent
Speaker 4: that can be utilized in the system that they.
Speaker 3: Want to run. Here, go get that guy.
Speaker 4: If it's not Cooper Flagg, because you're not going to
Speaker 4: have an opportunity to get in. We'll get somebody who's
Speaker 4: going to be just as good as him that maybe.
Speaker 3: Other people don't recognize.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's I'm not saying it's easy, but it's
Speaker 4: something that has to be done in order.
Speaker 3: For the Jazz to succeed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this stuff isn't easy.
Speaker 1: And you know when you're able and you know, one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why not grabbing one overall.
Speaker 2: Stings this year? What are you there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I sorry about that. One of the one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why not grabbing one overall Sting? Well, there are
Speaker 1: several reasons. Because Cooper's awesome. But when you have the
Speaker 1: guy like san Antonio has women Yama, then Chris Paul
Speaker 1: will sign with you. And I know Chris Paul is
Speaker 1: you know, not who he used to be. But Daron
Speaker 1: Fox will greenlight a trade to San Antonio because you
Speaker 1: have women Yama If the Jazz can find their answer
Speaker 1: to that, and it's not Cooper Flag, maybe it's aj Debonsa,
Speaker 1: then you've got something. Then agents will take your phone
Speaker 1: call to say, Okay, yes, I want my client to
Speaker 1: come play for you because you have this great young
Speaker 1: piece and all players want to win and get paid.
Speaker 1: Right now, the Jazzes don't have that, Like no one,
Speaker 1: no agent is calling it Austin agent saying, hey, my
Speaker 1: client would really love to play off of Johnny Juzang
Speaker 1: Like they just don't have the piece as of now
Speaker 1: to attract other players, which is why this has to
Speaker 1: be a long game. One more Jazz thing that I
Speaker 1: do have some other things for it, then I'll set
Speaker 1: you loose. Tom Thibodeau just lost his job after going
Speaker 1: to the Eastern Conference finals and winning fifty games back
Speaker 1: to back seasons and making the playoffs four or five years.
Speaker 1: Michael Malone just lost his job after winning a championship
Speaker 1: two years ago. Taylor Jenkins, a lot of good coaches
Speaker 1: have lost their jobs. Will hardly received a five year
Speaker 1: contract extension. He's won thirty three percent of his games.
Speaker 1: The Jazz have locked in their front office with Austin
Speaker 1: Danny and jay Z and other pieces moving forward. So
Speaker 1: the problem is, it doesn't matter who you cut your
Speaker 1: coach is, it doesn't matter who your front office is,
Speaker 1: if you have bad basketball players. But is there a
Speaker 1: silver lining that Ryan and Ashley Smith appear to be
Speaker 1: hiring people they believe in and giving them space to
Speaker 1: do their jobs and giving them the long game to
Speaker 1: do this from a front office and coaching perspective.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been to you and I have had this
Speaker 4: conversation so many times. That's a single most important element
Speaker 4: in any franchise is the owner and what the owner
Speaker 4: is willing to do. And if Austin Ains can bring
Speaker 4: to this team what is necessary, which we've thoroughly discussed here,
Speaker 4: then yeah, they're willing to pay them to be here
Speaker 4: and pay them to keep them here.
Speaker 3: And that's what has to happen. I mean, it.
Speaker 4: Sounds unfair in some ways, Like Okay, Spencer, we say, Okay,
Speaker 4: you just got to be smarter than the other guys.
Speaker 4: That's the way it is.
Speaker 3: That's what they got to do.
Speaker 4: And if Ryan Smith is willing to continue to pour
Speaker 4: resources into this, then then yeah they can get it done.
Speaker 4: But like you said, that number five pick is huge
Speaker 4: for this team this year for the very reasoning you
Speaker 4: talked about. And I remember it used to be that
Speaker 4: people said these small market teams players don't want to
Speaker 4: go play there. Well, talk to the players on the Thunder,
Speaker 4: talk to the players on the Pacers, two supposedly small
Speaker 4: market teams, and then talk about how much they like
Speaker 4: playing what they're where they're playing. I mean, but you
Speaker 4: said it exactly right. They have they have assets involved
Speaker 4: in their franchises that draw other players in. And as
Speaker 4: you so articulately said there right now, the Jazz don't
Speaker 4: have that.
Speaker 1: All right, switching gears here before I set you lose,
Speaker 1: you know, And this is a complicated story to talk about,
Speaker 1: but you've always excelled in things like this, and I
Speaker 1: hate to make it a football story, but Jake retz
Speaker 1: Laugh is the starting quarterback at Bringham Young University, and
Speaker 1: since you and I last spoke, a civil suit has
Speaker 1: been filed. No criminal charges, as I continue to remind everybody,
Speaker 1: and these are allegations and Jake deserves to process like
Speaker 1: everybody else, and so we'll kind of see how it
Speaker 1: plays out. It adds an extra layer of complication as
Speaker 1: far as where he plays and the honor code, which
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 2: Forced to it here too.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, but like he has to
Speaker 1: do it here too if he wants to be a
Speaker 1: student and an athlete at BYU. They all have to
Speaker 1: that's just the deal. If you're playing down there, if
Speaker 1: you're going to school down there. So your thoughts on
Speaker 1: where we find ourselves and just some thoughts on how
Speaker 1: Brian Santiago and BYU kind of have to traverse this
Speaker 1: newly complicated space.
Speaker 4: Well, it's if you're going to break the law and
Speaker 4: you're going to hurt people, then you're in big trouble.
Speaker 4: It's just the way it is. I mean, anybody theoretically
Speaker 4: has to follow the law, but at BYU.
Speaker 3: You can't bail out.
Speaker 4: By saying things are consensual or other things that might
Speaker 4: be utilized in other cases.
Speaker 3: Because the honor code is there.
Speaker 4: It's an extra layer, the behavioral code that is going
Speaker 4: to demand a certain kind of behavior. And so I
Speaker 4: don't know, this is what I think is gonna happen
Speaker 4: in this case. If this see plays out in the courts,
Speaker 4: it's going to take over a year to get it settled.
Speaker 3: And so where does that.
Speaker 4: Leave BYU B was in situations where they I don't
Speaker 4: think they can afford to have their starting quarterback be
Speaker 4: playing under this kind of dark cloud. So what they
Speaker 4: have to do, in my opinion, I'm not an attorney,
Speaker 4: but by us access to a whole lot of those
Speaker 4: they need to go out and find out what really
Speaker 4: happened and then move on it in that direction. If
Speaker 4: they can get it solved beforehand that it isn't a thing,
Speaker 4: then then they can move on. But if there's that cloud,
Speaker 4: if there's any if there's that doubt, then yeah, you
Speaker 4: people who have a due process and you want to
Speaker 4: presume the medicine until proven guilty. But BYU is a
Speaker 4: different beast. I mean they cannot, they cannot abide that,
Speaker 4: and I there's a whole lot of colleges out there,
Speaker 4: university football programs who couldn't abide it, at least among
Speaker 4: them BYU.
Speaker 3: So I really I don't.
Speaker 4: Want to condemn anyone before it is made as certain
Speaker 4: as possible, but doing things away BYU does. I don't
Speaker 4: think they can afford the luxury to wait that long.
Speaker 2: Gordo, It's been too long.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time, was that hat more than two
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, tell me the truth.
Speaker 3: No, it was not, it was not.
Speaker 4: I think I think I've botched it off.
Speaker 3: Someone on the street somewhere have all of that hat.
Speaker 1: There's a Rodney danger filled bowl of soup joke in
Speaker 1: here somewhere, Gardo. But hey, you weren't well. Looked like
Speaker 1: you guys had a great time. I always enjoy visiting
Speaker 1: with you. Let's do it again soon, Okay.
Speaker 4: I think the line is, oh, no, no, but it
Speaker 4: looks good on you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, be good okay.
Speaker 1: Gordon Monts in Salt Lake Tribune. I always appreciate his time.
Speaker 1: Some good stuff there from Gordo