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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be on in Lansing starting next week.

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<v Speaker 1>WVFNAM joining there. And a guy who has visited that

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<v Speaker 1>station and those airwaves a number of times, has been

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<v Speaker 1>doing it for a long time, Mick McCabe. Nobody's been

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<v Speaker 1>better at his job fifty four years with a Detroit

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<v Speaker 1>Free Press. At one point he retired, that lasted ten

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<v Speaker 1>months and now I'm not sure there's any website that

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<v Speaker 1>gets as much clicks as Mick McCabe and the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that he writes on a regular basis about Michigan high

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<v Speaker 1>school football and basketball as well. And he joins us

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<v Speaker 1>here on exus and Bros. Make hope you have a

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<v Speaker 1>good weekend. How are you today?

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<v Speaker 2>Just lovely? How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing fine, fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks. You've come out with your top ten high school

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<v Speaker 1>football teams that I want to get to in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>But first, with all your.

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<v Speaker 1>Years of experience fifty four years, you see what has

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<v Speaker 1>happened in high school football and high school sports in general.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you think it's at today? Do you like

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<v Speaker 1>the positioning that it's at or are you concerned? And

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<v Speaker 1>if so, what would that be?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my concern is the transfer portal, which we don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>But kids are trying to transfer all over the place,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a lot of the problems stem from these coaches,

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<v Speaker 2>not the high school coaches, but they're personal trainers who say, man,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just not using you right, and you got to

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<v Speaker 2>find a place that they're going to showcase you and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, and that's where we end up with

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<v Speaker 2>kids transferring all over the place and really not working

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<v Speaker 2>out for the best. And they just kill the high

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<v Speaker 2>school coaches who don't know anything because they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how good you are. And they feed all this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to the parents who want to believe that their kid

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<v Speaker 2>is so special they're going to be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>two percent to get the scholarship. Of that two percent,

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<v Speaker 2>over half of it aren't even full scholarships. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much more academic money available athletic money available, but

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<v Speaker 2>these parents just think athletics is a way to go

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<v Speaker 2>to college.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that concerns me, not just necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>at the high school level, but more at the collegiate level.

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<v Speaker 1>And because you've been in this business for such a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, you could speak to this. My fear is

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<v Speaker 1>with all the nil money Mick that what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen is you're going to see a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>sports outside of football and basketball loose scholarships, the let's

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<v Speaker 1>call them the Olympic sports that don't bring in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money. Because you've got teams like USC and

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<v Speaker 1>UCLA and Oregon and Washington now in the Big Ten

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<v Speaker 1>and travel costs so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we in danger of venturing into.

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<v Speaker 1>A society where we're basically two sports and everything else

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<v Speaker 1>is club sports?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think, well, I think what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Our schools are going to just start dropping sports, just

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<v Speaker 2>eliminating them all together, and which would be like what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying, you know, turn them in the club sports

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<v Speaker 2>without scholarships. You know, they're they're basing everything on TV

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<v Speaker 2>money and how much money all this stuff is going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring into the department. And I just think, like

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten, adding the teams they've added is just

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<v Speaker 2>a recipe for disaster. I think that they should have

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten, should have a football conference where they

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<v Speaker 2>do have those teams for the West Coast, but then basketball, baseball, softball,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in Michigan or Michigan State, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>send somebody out to Southern their softball team out the

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<v Speaker 2>Southern Calf for a weekend. How expensive is that going

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<v Speaker 2>to be? And you know, I think they should just

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<v Speaker 2>have a football only conference and then keep the Big

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<v Speaker 2>Ten the way it is.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent agree with that mc mcab But the

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<v Speaker 1>free press joining has fallen on Twitter at make McCabe

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<v Speaker 1>one your top ten high school programs in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Michigan. How did you come to believe that this

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<v Speaker 1>is the way to go Where you've got number one Belleville,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dakota is at number three and Muskige getting number four.

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<v Speaker 1>Our audience spans the entire state. Give us the top ten,

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<v Speaker 1>and how you came to the conclusion that these are

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<v Speaker 1>the best teams?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Belleville, they've got so many kids back from last

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<v Speaker 2>year's team that was upset in the D one state

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<v Speaker 2>championship game by Southfield A and T. And Isaiah Marshall,

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<v Speaker 2>who was just fabulous. He's a freshman, a freshman quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>at Kansas now. And then they picked up Eli Dotson

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<v Speaker 2>from you know, a transfer from you d Jeshua who's

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<v Speaker 2>really good, who's committed to Pittsburgh. They've got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of kids going to Miami. I'm Miami, Ohio. And of

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<v Speaker 2>course the number one thing is Bryce Underwood, who was

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly the number one quarterback in the country, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by twenty four to seven Sports and Rivals and those people.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you know, anybody can say this

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<v Speaker 2>is the best quarterback in the country, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big, big country. But he's really talented, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean really talented, and he's got enough pieces around him.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're the best team in the state. And

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<v Speaker 2>Dakota this is the best team they've had in ten years,

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<v Speaker 2>and they won a couple of state championships, so they

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<v Speaker 2>know what it's like. And I think that they got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of beef upfront, and they got eight starters

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<v Speaker 2>back on defense, and you know, their offensive line is

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<v Speaker 2>really good, you know. And then Muskegan, you know, they've

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<v Speaker 2>they've done everything at that school except repeat as state champs.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've got enough kids coming back from last year's

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<v Speaker 2>state championship which upset the LaSalle I think they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be talented again. Cast Tech at number four, they're

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<v Speaker 2>they've got a lot of kids back Ninas turner starters

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<v Speaker 2>on defense, and and they play, you know, usually really

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<v Speaker 2>good defense and uh, you know the lot. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the problems, one of the question marks is they've got

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of kids, uh going at it for quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of them is only a freshman and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see how he can do. But Davison the number five,

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<v Speaker 2>uh A J. Hill who's their tailback. He's committed to

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<v Speaker 2>Farris and and Ben Nichols is a big time offensive

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<v Speaker 2>tackle and uh they open up with del Sal that

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<v Speaker 2>will be really one good game West Bloomfield at number six.

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<v Speaker 2>They're talented again. They got they lost on the last

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<v Speaker 2>play of the game last year to Southfield A and

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<v Speaker 2>T in the semi finals. And uh Lisia Durham and

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<v Speaker 2>Cameron Flowers are two outstanding receivers. If they get a

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<v Speaker 2>good quarterback play, they're capable of the long run. And

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<v Speaker 2>Delasal number seven the Sante Gasparoni had a really good

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<v Speaker 2>junior year last year. And then you throw in Phoenix

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<v Speaker 2>Glassner a receiver, and they've got Isaiah Jones who's a

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<v Speaker 2>very good defensive back. And Damian King could be another

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<v Speaker 2>he could be a game changer at a wide receiver spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Byron Center's got a ton of people back, especially at

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<v Speaker 2>the skill positions. Isaiah Lee is a wide receiver defensive

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<v Speaker 2>back who's also an outstanding basketball player. Landon Tounggate was

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<v Speaker 2>a very good quarterback last year and won't be again.

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<v Speaker 2>And number ten, I've got Lake Orion and this is

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Bell's twenty second season. They won state championship. They've

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of kids back on offense and defense actually,

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<v Speaker 2>and their entire secondary is back. So they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be very very good this year in a tough conference

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<v Speaker 2>of the Oyer Red. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you've got Rockford at number eleven, which is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting too. I mean, there's an awful lot of depth

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<v Speaker 1>in Michigan. How often are you talking to coach in

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<v Speaker 1>order for you to come together with all this and

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<v Speaker 1>all these names that you're constantly following. I mean, Donovan

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<v Speaker 1>Peoples Jones is fighting for a spot. You covered him

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<v Speaker 1>in high school. It's amazing the amount of people that

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<v Speaker 1>you've covered. How many coaches are you talking to on

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<v Speaker 1>a regular basis to determine the depth and the strength

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<v Speaker 1>of these teams?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot? Yeah, And you know, just to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty five, how many calls do they have to

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<v Speaker 2>make to we're not that good, but these guys are

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<v Speaker 2>that good. And yeah, you talk to a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the rolodex has got to be thick. And

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<v Speaker 1>for sure for Mick mckab follo him on Twitter at

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<v Speaker 1>Mick McCabe one, he had the Detroit free press over

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four years doing it and nobody doing it as

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<v Speaker 1>well as heat is joining this here on X's and bros.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so you look at this team, you look

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<v Speaker 1>at where it's at. It begins on Thursday. There are

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<v Speaker 1>certain Marque matches. We know that there's a different playoff

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<v Speaker 1>system these days in Michigan football.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like the playoff system that is currently in

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<v Speaker 3>place or did you like it when there was more

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<v Speaker 3>of a select number of teams and there was a

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<v Speaker 3>different requirement to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was the problem was that all coaches care

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<v Speaker 2>about and still to this day, is getting a win.

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<v Speaker 2>And now they've skewed the playoff points system. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind two hundred and fifty six teams because

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<v Speaker 2>football is the only sport than not every I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you can be er in twenty in basketball and you're

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<v Speaker 2>still in the state playoffs. So it's the only sport

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<v Speaker 2>where you don't get an automatic chance to win a

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<v Speaker 2>state championship. So two hundred and fifty six seems to

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<v Speaker 2>work well. And now the playoff point average, so you

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<v Speaker 2>get some points for a loss depending on you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how good that team is. So you know, some schools

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<v Speaker 2>are saying, you know, what the hell, you know, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>give it a shot. We're going to test ourselves against

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<v Speaker 2>the team that we think is, you know, better than us,

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<v Speaker 2>and if we do well, you know, we want to win,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, but if we don't, well it's not the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the world. We're going to get We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get points. I remember in nineteen seventy five there

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<v Speaker 2>were four teams in eight classes and that was the

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<v Speaker 2>state playoffs. I mean, can you I mean I was

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<v Speaker 2>at Trenton and they the final game of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they beat Riverview Some'm like sixty three to

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<v Speaker 2>nothing and they were, by far, I thought, the number

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<v Speaker 2>one team in the state and they just missed out

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<v Speaker 2>because caml lou Centro beat somebody three to nothing and

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<v Speaker 2>they're in the state playoffs instead of Trenting.

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<v Speaker 1>You you get teams, you get players, you get coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like they've been cheated. I remember it was

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<v Speaker 1>about I would say twenty years ago. I did a

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<v Speaker 1>special on the best athletes the state has ever produced,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were one of my key resources, and you

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<v Speaker 1>actually joined me on screen as well. Tell me who

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<v Speaker 1>are some of the best athletes you've ever covered and

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<v Speaker 1>why you think they are among the best you've ever covered.

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<v Speaker 2>Tyrone Weeley is the best, the best, Yeah, no question.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know. We played in the NFL and was

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<v Speaker 2>great and they're still talking about him up in Kingsford,

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<v Speaker 2>which they've beaten the state finals. Just an unbelievable running back,

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<v Speaker 2>a tremendous linebacker. They even started the season with him

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<v Speaker 2>at quarterback, which was crazy, but then they moved him

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<v Speaker 2>right back to back where he belonged, and and he

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<v Speaker 2>combined the size, the power and the speed that you

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<v Speaker 2>know you haven't seen. And the speed comes in when

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<v Speaker 2>he won almost want to state championship and track all

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<v Speaker 2>by himself, you know, the long jump, the sprints, the hurdles.

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<v Speaker 2>said the whistle dropped right out of his mouth. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was just terrific. And he's a wonderful kid too.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's a head coach of Wayne State. People probably

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<v Speaker 2>at Orchard Lake. And then he went on and led

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<v Speaker 2>baseball state playoffs. He was he was a tremendous baseball player,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he went to Michigan signed for football with

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, brother Tom, but yeah, I mean it's Jim. Jim

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<v Speaker 3>Saint Mary's. An amazing player, right, give me a couple more.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't, let's see uh athletes. Well, Dan Marley, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and he also played football early and then gave it

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<v Speaker 2>and he's on the sidelines just screwing around and throwing

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<v Speaker 2>the ball sixty seventy yards. Seriously, the guy scouts, who's that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a basketball player and he's also he was also

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<v Speaker 2>a pitcher, very good, oh yeah, a very good high

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<v Speaker 2>school pitcher. In fact, his junior year, they got beat

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<v Speaker 2>summer made him a perimeter player. People, people you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just remember Dan is a really good three point player

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<v Speaker 1>And I would say the other one and this I

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<v Speaker 2>in football, but he also was an outstanding basketball player

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<v Speaker 2>at Michigan. And then was was a terrific baseball player.

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<v Speaker 2>That was his best sport. That's how he made it

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<v Speaker 2>to the Major League. And then Andre Risen was an

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<v Speaker 2>All stater in football, basketball and track and he made

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<v Speaker 2>He's a really really good punter and oh yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know he was somewhat a really good outstanding

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<v Speaker 2>a really good basketball player and then he made All

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he and Jeff Greer. I believe I could be

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<v Speaker 1>wrong here, but this again based on our conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>They were part of.

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<v Speaker 1>That what is it mid to early to mid eighties

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<v Speaker 1>crew that were number one, number two in the country

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<v Speaker 1>and they only lost like three games their entire careers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Glenn Rice also Gun Rice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, Rice, Yeah, that's right goo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And Glenn Rice was you know, he deferred to

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Grayer as a junior and then he came on

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<v Speaker 2>and had an unbelievable senior season and won the half

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<v Speaker 2>Strand Mister Basketball Award.

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<v Speaker 3>That's incredible stuff, man, You've seen it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Great information, excellent work as always on the top twenty

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<v Speaker 1>teams in the state. We only got to top ten,

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<v Speaker 1>but top twenty teams in the state.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, twenty five rather yeah, excuse me, twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Mick McCabe fall him on Twitter at Mick McCabe one,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course read his stuff on the Detroit Free

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<v Speaker 1>Press every single week as he gets you ready for

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<v Speaker 1>high school football and keeps you updated throughout what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in high school football and basketball all year round. Mick,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks as always, appreciate the friends Chip, thanks for the time,

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<v Speaker 1>have a great week and enjoy Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, you too. Thank you.