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Speaker 2: Oh, that was the American way on full display today.
Speaker 3: Truly one of the most extraordinary days in the history
Speaker 3: of the American presidency and a profoundly.
Speaker 2: Important day for the world.
Speaker 3: And hey, coming into today, I did not see that
Speaker 3: one coming, right. I mean, we had planned to talk
Speaker 3: about the President meeting with Selensky, getting the mineral rights
Speaker 3: deal done, et cetera. But what we saw on fold
Speaker 3: today is going to shape events for many many years
Speaker 3: to come, and shape them in a very positive way
Speaker 3: in ways far beyond I think what's being talked about
Speaker 3: right now. So looking forward to getting into that with you.
Speaker 3: Three or three seven, one, three eight, two, five five
Speaker 3: the number you can text us d An five seven,
Speaker 3: seven three nine. Of course, today's sound is king and
Speaker 3: we have a lot of sound to play for you
Speaker 3: from what unfolded in the Oval Office. If by now
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've seen some clips, you've heard some sound.
Speaker 3: Hopefully heard Ryan Schuling's great show if you're in the
Speaker 3: Denver market, he does it two to four every afternoon.
Speaker 3: What I did once I saw this story unfolding is
Speaker 3: I went back and I watched the entire Oval Office session,
Speaker 3: because most of these clips come from about ten minutes
Speaker 3: worth of action at the end, and believe me, every
Speaker 3: minute of it is worth it. Two you, and one
Speaker 3: thing we're going to do at some point in the
Speaker 3: show today, hopefully earlier and later, is we're going to
Speaker 3: play you the full ten minutes uninterrupted, which is a
Speaker 3: little challenging given our clock, but we're going to do
Speaker 3: that because there's something about watching it just unfold in hole.
Speaker 3: But I watched the entire I think it was about
Speaker 3: fifty five minutes of Zelenski and Trump in the Oval Office,
Speaker 3: and there was so much in there that's important. It
Speaker 3: helps explain what came at the end. But anxious to
Speaker 3: get your take and give you mine. Three or three
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Speaker 3: have no interest in this life changing event today, truly
Speaker 3: unprecedented in the history of the American presidency. Then some
Speaker 3: local news of note it looks like Michael Bennett, Senator
Speaker 3: Bellow is thinking about running for governor. I assume, from
Speaker 3: the fact his staff leaked the story to Ernest Learning,
Speaker 3: very respected political reporter, expect at this point that Bennett
Speaker 3: is probably getting into the race. So we'll talk about
Speaker 3: that later. Raises a lot of interesting questions. What's the
Speaker 3: play here? So you're going to leave early and then
Speaker 3: Paulus points himself to his seat or appoints somebody else.
Speaker 3: But that will have to wait for another day because
Speaker 3: what happened today is going to, I think, have such
Speaker 3: a dramatic impact on the world right now. It's going
Speaker 3: to have a dramatic impact on the Republican Party nationally.
Speaker 3: Whether it carries over to Colorado, I don't think anybody
Speaker 3: can tell at this point. But let's start with some
Speaker 3: of the key sound. If you've heard it already, then
Speaker 3: you want to hear it again. If you haven't heard it,
Speaker 3: you really do need to hear it.
Speaker 2: And I play this just for kind of funny background.
Speaker 3: This is a cut one, uh, President Trump having a
Speaker 3: little fun with President Soelenski's appearance when Selensky showed up
Speaker 3: at the White House today.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's all dressed up today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so President Zelensky had showed up rather than in
Speaker 3: the T shirt, it looked like a similar garb but
Speaker 3: kind of a black sweater.
Speaker 2: I know some people have an issue with that.
Speaker 3: I've never had an issue at all with Selensky deciding
Speaker 3: to not wear a suit while his country is at
Speaker 3: war and in a combat mode.
Speaker 2: I get the point. I don't think it's disrespectful.
Speaker 3: And I thought the questioner of Zelensky on that today
Speaker 3: was disrespectful and that was out of place. Overall, I
Speaker 3: thought that Selensky went way over the line, and Zelensky
Speaker 3: was extraordinarily bizarrely disrespectful to Trump in a way that
Speaker 3: he had to know could not serve his people well.
Speaker 2: Which is really sad because you.
Speaker 3: Know, in my short lifetime, you know, outside of our
Speaker 3: amazing American armed forces, it's very hard to point to
Speaker 3: people around the world. You'd have to put, you know,
Speaker 3: the Ukrainians right up there with the Israelis, obviously with
Speaker 3: the Americans, etc. In terms of their ability and willingness
Speaker 3: to fight bravely to the end. So the Ukrainian people
Speaker 3: have been among the elite in the world, you know,
Speaker 3: as fighters, and they deserve everybody's admiration. And one thing
Speaker 3: that's getting missed here is President Trump in the earlier
Speaker 3: stages of that fifty five minute meeting, the ones that
Speaker 3: aren't getting much press, you know, he went out of
Speaker 3: his way to praise the bravery and courage.
Speaker 2: Of the Ukrainian people.
Speaker 3: He was extremely polite that way, which made it even
Speaker 3: more bizarre that Selensa he then decides to do the
Speaker 3: unthinkable and really self destruct because he went out of
Speaker 3: his way. When you watch the whole fifty five minutes,
Speaker 3: Selensky went out of his way several times to try
Speaker 3: to directly criticize Trump and contradict Trump and take Trump bonds.
Speaker 3: So as we start to get into the more complete sound,
Speaker 3: one of the things I think we have to keep
Speaker 3: in mind is the very real possibility that Zelensky came
Speaker 3: into that meeting intending to resign the presidency before this
Speaker 3: peace deal is signed. It may very well be that
Speaker 3: Selensky had decided that he was not willing to sign
Speaker 3: a peace deal which would give Ukrainian territory to Russia,
Speaker 3: and that he was going to resign before that deal
Speaker 3: was entered into, and that he was going to use
Speaker 3: this stage today to go after Trump and to go
Speaker 3: after JD.
Speaker 2: Vance.
Speaker 3: Because one thing that really struck me as I watched
Speaker 3: the whole thing is Zelensky appeared to me he planned
Speaker 3: it looking to go after Vance and then he's addressing
Speaker 3: Vance as JD and addressing Vance in a very condescending
Speaker 3: kind of way. So that appeared as I watched it unfold,
Speaker 3: very pre planned. So don't be surprised if that's the
Speaker 3: ultimate play that Selenski wanted to go out today taking
Speaker 3: shots at Trump and JD. Vance, which is really twisted
Speaker 3: when you think about it, because it's Europe, as I've
Speaker 3: been saying for many months on this show, it's Europe
Speaker 3: that abandoned Ukraine, and everybody should be upset that raw evil,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's satan. Putin is satan. That raw evil
Speaker 3: is going to win here to a certain extent and
Speaker 3: is going to get territory when Putin in fact, should
Speaker 3: be tried on war crimes and imprisoned for the rest
Speaker 3: of his life. So it's sick that Putin's going to
Speaker 3: gain anything here. But don't blame Trump. Trump's playing the
Speaker 3: hero here by ending the bloodshed. The reason that Putin
Speaker 3: satan on Earth is going to win here is because
Speaker 3: of Europe, because Europe would not stand up for Ukraine.
Speaker 3: And as I said in the very beginning, it was
Speaker 3: obvious the only way that Ukraine was going to be
Speaker 3: able to defeat this evil, no matter how valiantly it fought,
Speaker 3: and it has and it still is, was for Europe
Speaker 3: to prove it was willing to put boots on the ground.
Speaker 3: And Europe made it very clear early on that it
Speaker 3: would not. And so what do we have, As somebody commented,
Speaker 3: you know, Ukraine needed warriors and it got cheerleaders from Europe.
Speaker 3: So this was Europe's chance to stand up and protect
Speaker 3: its continent from the evil in Putin. Europe was unwilling
Speaker 3: to do it. That's why Putin is going to gain
Speaker 3: in this agreement. But do not blame Trump. None of
Speaker 3: this is Trump's fault. So when Zelenski today tried to
Speaker 3: start blaming Trump, tried to start lumping Trump in with
Speaker 3: Obama and Biden, because remember Putin didn't go into Ukraine
Speaker 3: when Trump was president. No, he went in when Biden
Speaker 3: was president. He went in and took Ukraine. Biden was president.
Speaker 3: He went in and took Ukraine when Obama was president
Speaker 3: and he went after Crimea. So it was so intellectually
Speaker 3: dishonest and bizarrely self destructive for the people of Ukraine.
Speaker 3: For Zelensky today to try to blame Trump for Crimea,
Speaker 3: that was weird. And so I'm so impressed with Trump,
Speaker 3: so impressed with JD.
Speaker 2: Vans.
Speaker 3: And that's another takeaway from me today, and that is
Speaker 3: that Trump did so much to advance world peace today,
Speaker 3: not just in Ukraine. That's going to happen right for
Speaker 3: the reasons we've discussed, not just in Ukraine but around
Speaker 3: the world, because think about the polar opposites. Evil around
Speaker 3: the world has been feasting on the Biden presidency because
Speaker 3: we didn't have a president, and so they've been feasting
Speaker 3: on that. It was even worse than not having a president.
Speaker 3: We had a president who they knew would not fight back.
Speaker 3: And so you go from that to Trump, who today
Speaker 3: not only took all the right positions, but Trump I
Speaker 3: thought was so in control. He had such a range,
Speaker 3: he had such a range of emotions, of abilities, of gears.
Speaker 3: Was you know, I talk about trial lawyers this way.
Speaker 3: I try a lot of cases. You have trial lawyers
Speaker 3: who are kind of one trick ponies. You know, they
Speaker 3: have one gear, and it may be a great gear,
Speaker 3: but they got one gear. And then you've got people
Speaker 3: who have multiple gears and they can handle a lot
Speaker 3: of different scenarios very well. Trump had multiple gears today
Speaker 3: in a very demanding situation against a very determined opponent,
Speaker 3: and Zelensky made himself Trump's opponent today. Trump didn't make
Speaker 3: Zelensky his opponent. And Trump was able to stay cool
Speaker 3: when that made sense, he was able to get angry
Speaker 3: when that made sense.
Speaker 2: He was able to be articulate throughout it.
Speaker 3: So if you're one of these many evil leaders around
Speaker 3: the world, and if you're one of our allies who
Speaker 3: runs and hides when they think it's better for them,
Speaker 3: you look at Trump today and and you're thinking you
Speaker 3: don't want to mess with him. And Jade Vance, by
Speaker 3: the way, took a big step I think toward locking
Speaker 3: up the nomination for twenty eight. Anyway, we're gonna come back,
Speaker 3: dive into the sound and just to get your take.
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Speaker 6: I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to
Speaker 6: end the destruction of your country.
Speaker 5: Yes, but if you have a president.
Speaker 6: With respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come
Speaker 6: into the Oval Office to try to litigate this in
Speaker 6: front of the American media. Right now, you guys are
Speaker 6: going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because
Speaker 6: you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president
Speaker 6: for every to bring it into this.
Speaker 7: Company, let them into Ukraine.
Speaker 2: That you say, what problems we have? I have been
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 6: Come on, I have actually I've actually watched and seen
Speaker 6: the stories and I know what happens is you bring people,
Speaker 6: you bring them on a propaganda tour. Mister president, are
Speaker 6: do you disagree that you've had problems? What bringing people
Speaker 6: in your military?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 6: Do you think that respect alants to come to the
Speaker 6: Oval Office in the United States of America and attack
Speaker 6: the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of
Speaker 6: your kind of a.
Speaker 7: Lot of questions, Let's start from the biggest or fist
Speaker 7: of all. During the war, everybody has problems, even you.
Speaker 7: But you have nisos and don't feel now, but you
Speaker 7: will feel it.
Speaker 2: In the issob? What an sob? I'm sorry, listen.
Speaker 3: I have ultimate respect for the Ukrainian people, ultimate respect,
Speaker 3: and Putin is satan. But what Zelensky was doing today
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with serving the Ukrainian people. This
Speaker 3: had to do with serving Zolensky. And I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's planning to get out right now, like in
Speaker 3: the next week or two or three, But this was
Speaker 3: all about Zelensky after the presidency, right, It's all about
Speaker 3: when he goes and lives wherever he's going to live
Speaker 3: in Europe and goes on whatever book tours he goes
Speaker 3: in on whatever career he goes into. Next was z
Speaker 3: Lynsky coming into the Oval Office of the United States
Speaker 3: to try to humiliate the president and Vice President in
Speaker 3: front of the world, to blank that guy. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: and that has nothing to do with Ukraine. The Ukrainian
Speaker 3: people deserve our utmost admiration and the Ukrainian people deserve
Speaker 3: better than what they're going to end up with here.
Speaker 3: But that's the fault of Europe. Europe would not stand
Speaker 3: up to Putin and there shouldn't be a single American boot.
Speaker 2: On the ground.
Speaker 3: Money fine, as long as the money, has a plan
Speaker 3: to win, but that's never what Biden was doing. And
Speaker 3: so yeah, the people of Ukraine deserve much much better.
Speaker 3: But President Trump's being a hero here to stop the killing.
Speaker 3: And when you watch the full fifty five minutes of
Speaker 3: this today, one thing that really jumped out at me
Speaker 3: is that that Trump has this sincere concern and he
Speaker 3: mentioned the parents of the kids who are dying. You know,
Speaker 3: he has a sincere concern for all the parents on
Speaker 3: both sides whose children are dying two thousand alone last week.
Speaker 3: This is not an equivalence in my mind. You know,
Speaker 3: Russia is evil here and Ukraine is the innocent victim
Speaker 3: being raped and pillaged.
Speaker 2: There's not an equivalence. But that's not.
Speaker 3: Trump's fault, and Trump is in a unique position to
Speaker 3: try to stop the killing. So what Zelensky today did,
Speaker 3: I think was one of the most selfish things I've
Speaker 3: ever seen any world leader do, because all he did
Speaker 3: was hurt his own people so he could make himself
Speaker 3: into some big, tough guy for his next career.
Speaker 2: That's sick stuff.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you so impressed because you know, you
Speaker 3: think about how Trump and Vance performed in that situation.
Speaker 3: That's not easy, and they did it extraordinarily well. And
Speaker 3: it was great for the United States because if you
Speaker 3: had allowed Zelensky or anybody else to come into the
Speaker 3: Oval office and attack and in very dishonest ways to
Speaker 3: attack our president and vice president and get away with it,
Speaker 3: that would have invited so much more war. That would
Speaker 3: have that would have undermined peace through strength. But they
Speaker 3: were tested today, Trump and Vance, and they passed the
Speaker 3: test brilliantly, and the world's going to be better off
Speaker 3: for it. And the world will be better off when
Speaker 3: Zelensky is off the stage, because the Ukrainian people deserve
Speaker 3: so much better than Zelenski. Eight five five or zero
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Speaker 3: seven seven three nine. Let's get some more of this
Speaker 3: hot sounding and then I think what we're going to
Speaker 3: try to do. We're going to try to you maybe
Speaker 3: the five oh six segment, to play the full minutes
Speaker 3: at the end together, because there is so much impact
Speaker 3: there that I really want you to hear. So as
Speaker 3: Trump jumps in, Trump jumps in, let's go to cut five.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you Putin went through a hell of
Speaker 2: a lot with me.
Speaker 4: He went through a phony witch hunt where they used
Speaker 4: him in Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. You ever hear of
Speaker 4: that deal?
Speaker 2: There was a phony.
Speaker 4: That was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden scam, Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 4: shifty Adam Schiff who was a Democrat scam, and he.
Speaker 2: Had to go through that, and he.
Speaker 4: Did go through it.
Speaker 2: We didn't end up in a war. And he went
Speaker 2: through it.
Speaker 4: He was accused of all that stuff.
Speaker 2: He had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4: It came out of Hunter Biden's bathroom. He came out
Speaker 4: of Hunter Biden's bedroom. It was disgusting. And then they said, oh, oh,
Speaker 4: the laptop from Hell was made by Russia, the fifty
Speaker 4: one agents. The whole thing was a scam and he
Speaker 4: had to put up with that. He was being accused
Speaker 4: of all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And then Trump goes on with Selensky cut six. Please
Speaker 2: r All I can.
Speaker 4: Say is this, he might have broken deals with Obama
Speaker 4: and Bush, and he might have broken them with Biden.
Speaker 2: He did maybe maybe he did.
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened, but he didn't break them
Speaker 4: with me.
Speaker 2: He wants to make a deal. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you can make a deal.
Speaker 4: The problem is I've empowered you to be a tough guy,
Speaker 4: and I don't think he'd be a tough guy without
Speaker 4: the United.
Speaker 2: States are very brave. But you're either going to make
Speaker 2: a deal or we're out.
Speaker 4: And if we're out, you'll fight it out.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be.
Speaker 4: Pretty, but you'll fight it out.
Speaker 2: But you don't have the cards. But once we.
Speaker 4: Sign that deal, you're in a much better position. But
Speaker 4: you're not acting at all thankful.
Speaker 2: And that's not a nice thing. I'll be honest, that's
Speaker 2: not a nice thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that was weaving throughout all
Speaker 3: of this today is Lynski was publicly insisting that the
Speaker 3: US give a security guarantee as part of the mineral
Speaker 3: rights deal, meaning hey, we're gonna have US troops, We're
Speaker 3: gonna have US troops on the ground in Ukraine. And
Speaker 3: Trump was not willing to go there right now. And
Speaker 3: so yeah, and then that part, and we'll play it
Speaker 3: again in the next segment where's the Lyinsky then starts
Speaker 3: lecturing Trump and dvance because Trump says and said today, hey,
Speaker 3: we've got this ocean between US and Europe, and so
Speaker 3: it's it's you know, NATO, and NATO needs to step up.
Speaker 3: The European countries need to step up. And then Selinsky
Speaker 3: starts lecturing Trump in dvance on oh, you think you
Speaker 3: have your ocean and I'm paraphrasing here, but your ocean
Speaker 3: isn't going to protect you, et cetera. And that's when
Speaker 3: Trump really jumped in and fired up, as he should have.
Speaker 3: So again, what do you think grind My premise is
Speaker 3: Selinsky came in today knowing that he is not going
Speaker 3: to be president for long, probably intending to never be
Speaker 3: the one to sign the peace deal, and that he
Speaker 3: was just trying to position himself for his next career
Speaker 3: because what he did today was not intended to help
Speaker 3: the people of his country, the great people of his country.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have to agree or analysis is sound. It's
Speaker 8: the only thing that really explains it, because why else
Speaker 8: would he go in there behave the way that he did.
Speaker 8: He's on our turf, he's a guest at our White
Speaker 8: House with our president, and he kept interrupting President Trump.
Speaker 8: It was really beneath the office of President of Ukraine.
Speaker 8: And I thought Trump, all things considered, measured himself and
Speaker 8: kept this cool rather well, and even when he was
Speaker 8: ursed with Zolenski. He was very pointed and specific about
Speaker 8: what his problems were there, and I just don't know
Speaker 8: why Zelensky felt the need to hash all that out
Speaker 8: on camera in the public eye.
Speaker 3: I think it goes back to my theory that none
Speaker 3: of this for Zelensky today was about helping the Ukrainian people.
Speaker 3: I think it was about positioning Zolensky on the world stage,
Speaker 3: elevating him among Trump haters, elevating him in Europe, at
Speaker 3: the cost of the Ukrainian people, And the Ukrainian people
Speaker 3: deserve a lot better than that. Three or three someone
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Speaker 3: come back on The Dan Kaplis Show.
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Speaker 2: What a day literally never.
Speaker 3: A day like it an American presidential history, one of
Speaker 3: the finest days in American presidential history. And how great
Speaker 3: for the American people to be able to see that
Speaker 3: on fold and be able to see just how sharp
Speaker 3: and strong and adept both Trump and JD.
Speaker 2: Vance are.
Speaker 3: I think that's going to make the world a safer place,
Speaker 3: and I think it's really going to help the GOP
Speaker 3: and its candidates, and the other way it's going to help, right,
Speaker 3: is that Democrats can't help themselves. So Democrats are already
Speaker 3: out there calling this one of the worst things they've
Speaker 3: ever seen, which will further distance the Democrats for American people,
Speaker 3: because I'll bet you eighty twenty in America, whether they
Speaker 3: admit it or not, the American people love this today
Speaker 3: in part because guess what, this issue was litigated in
Speaker 3: the last campaign. The American people do not want war
Speaker 3: in Ukraine. The American people don't want an ongoing war
Speaker 3: in Ukraine. Trump ran on that clear contrast with the
Speaker 3: Democrats of wanting to bring peace now.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, this is a great, great day for
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: In many ways, and really good to be able to
Speaker 3: see the real Zelenski, which is such a disappointment because
Speaker 3: the Ukrainian people.
Speaker 2: Deserve so much better.
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Speaker 3: back to the sound, and I assume you've already heard
Speaker 3: some of this since it became big news in a hurry,
Speaker 3: but we'll replay a lot and then one thing we're
Speaker 3: going to do that you have not had a chance
Speaker 3: to experience, probably on any newscast anywhere is We're going
Speaker 3: to play the full ten minutes of the hottest part
Speaker 3: of the meeting together so you can hear it continuously.
Speaker 3: I think there's really added value, and that's all in
Speaker 3: this segment a little bit early so that we can
Speaker 3: get the full ten minutes in for you in.
Speaker 2: The next segment.
Speaker 3: A few of the text I want to get to Dan,
Speaker 3: you must have been watching a different meeting than I was.
Speaker 3: Embarrassing and uncalled for performance by Potus and VP up
Speaker 3: against the victim of Russian aggression. Boy, I wish that
Speaker 3: person would call the show. I'd really like to have
Speaker 3: the conversation because I don't think respectfully they could rebut
Speaker 3: a single one of the points that I've made so
Speaker 3: far in the show today, and there's no doubt about
Speaker 3: Russian aggressions and understatement. This was an evil rape and
Speaker 3: pillage of Ukraine by perhaps the most evil leader in
Speaker 3: the world in Putin. But that's not Trump's fault. That
Speaker 3: happened under a Biden. Trump right now is just trying
Speaker 3: to stop the bloodshed and the fact that Europe would
Speaker 3: not step in and give Ukraine the support boots on
Speaker 3: the ground it needed to have a chance against Russia. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's on Biden for its starting. That's on Europe for
Speaker 3: not being willing to support the people of Ukraine. But boy,
Speaker 3: I think Zelensky really hurt his own people's cause today.
Speaker 3: But I don't think that was his priority. I think
Speaker 3: he was there for himself and for the next twenty
Speaker 3: or thirty years of his life, being the hero who
Speaker 3: stood up to Trump in the Oval Office, even though
Speaker 3: it screwed his own people. Dan, the exchange today made
Speaker 3: me feel a Texter says like trump advance rocket launched
Speaker 3: the United States into the atmosphere, the ultimate superpower on
Speaker 3: this planet that from no code, Dan, Dan, you are right.
Speaker 2: If you watch the.
Speaker 3: Entire press conference, Trump was incredibly measured and even gracious
Speaker 3: while he let Selensky ran for a while, while Trump
Speaker 3: seemed as he was genuinely there for the deal.
Speaker 2: Amen.
Speaker 3: And I know you probably don't have time this weekend,
Speaker 3: but if you do, sit down and watch the full
Speaker 3: fifty minutes, just google it up on YouTube.
Speaker 2: It's hard to find.
Speaker 3: I'll try to post it to at Dan Caplis on Twitter,
Speaker 3: the full fifty minutes and you can see how patient
Speaker 3: Trump was, how he kept his cool for so long,
Speaker 3: but Zelensky was determined not to let Trump keep his cool.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a remarkable, remarkable mistake by Zelensky. Again,
Speaker 3: I think it was intentional by Zelensky, but a mistake
Speaker 3: in terms of his own people. Texter says, Dan, the
Speaker 3: Ukrainian people are the real criminals. And you know it
Speaker 3: that Texter is either mentally ill or inebriated or tongue
Speaker 3: in cheek, because I don't think any reason person can
Speaker 3: look at the Ukrainian people and say there anything other
Speaker 3: than incredibly strong and courageous. And again, they deserve much
Speaker 3: better than what Selensky gave him today. They deserve much
Speaker 3: better than being invaded by Putin. But what Selensky gave
Speaker 3: them today was a grave disservice to a great people.
Speaker 2: Eric from Wheatridge, you're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 9: Welcome Dan, Hi, Dan, thanks for having me on. Sure,
Speaker 9: I just wanted to give you my point of view.
Speaker 9: I am not a Zolensky guy. I was thinking that
Speaker 9: maybe Chum coming in had some dirt on him, like
Speaker 9: graft Wise, that he was going to use to in
Speaker 9: his negotiations. But it doesn't seem like that is the case.
Speaker 9: I just wanted to say, don't you think that Dolensky's
Speaker 9: actions could be those of a man who is passionately
Speaker 9: into the fight for his country.
Speaker 2: No? No, And here's why.
Speaker 3: Because if you are passionately into the fight for your
Speaker 3: country and and your sole purpose is to make sure
Speaker 3: that your people prevail and get the best deal possible,
Speaker 3: the last thing you would do is to come into
Speaker 3: the Oval office and intentionally repeatedly criticize Trump, contradict Trump,
Speaker 3: mock Trump. No, if you cared about your people, that's
Speaker 3: the last thing you do. Because tell me this, Eric,
Speaker 3: how is that approach supposed to help you the Ukrainian people?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 9: I uh, did he think he.
Speaker 3: Was going to bully Did he think he was going
Speaker 3: to bully Trump into a better deal?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 9: I think I think like you're right about him going
Speaker 9: in there with a kind of madman's attitude, or I mean,
Speaker 9: you're you're you're saying that he is, that he'd want
Speaker 9: wants to you know, fields and all that stuff. But
Speaker 9: I just wanted to make the point, and it might
Speaker 9: be a silly one given a totally different context, but
Speaker 9: church you know Churchill, one that's said one that said, well,
Speaker 9: you know, we're bound to lose the war, so we
Speaker 9: might as well make a deal, now, you know what
Speaker 9: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And is that reference? Is that reference to Trump or Zelensky?
Speaker 3: The Churchill reference?
Speaker 9: You know, I've heard a lot of comment peters say
Speaker 9: saying that the starting point is Ukraine is not going
Speaker 9: to win the war, so they need to they need
Speaker 9: to make a deal. But that's not a very.
Speaker 3: Right But let's go back to and and thank you
Speaker 3: for raising Churchill. Let's go back to that example. Churchill
Speaker 3: knew that he needed the United States of America for
Speaker 3: his nation to survive, right and uh, just like Zelensky does.
Speaker 3: And the last thing in the world Churchill ever would
Speaker 3: have done was to come in and sit down with
Speaker 3: FDR in front of the national media and to ridicule FDR,
Speaker 3: to criticize FDR, to blame FDR for the plight of England.
Speaker 2: It's suicidal.
Speaker 3: It's the last thing Churchill would have done.
Speaker 9: I'm sure you're right about that.
Speaker 3: But no, I appreciate the call, Eric, thank you so
Speaker 3: much for that, and I hope you have a good weekend.
Speaker 3: I truly believe just looking at it right now, it
Speaker 3: has to be one of two things. In my mind,
Speaker 3: it has to be either Selensky snapped right, Zelensky just
Speaker 3: had a psychotic break and he lost control of himself,
Speaker 3: and he just started saying a lot of things that
Speaker 3: he's been thinking and angry about, no matter what the.
Speaker 2: Cost to his country.
Speaker 3: So it's either that or it's I think infinitely more
Speaker 3: likely Selinsky realizes that the war is over and Putin
Speaker 3: is going to win in too much because Europe did
Speaker 3: not back Selenski, and Zelensky is looking at his future.
Speaker 3: He's a relatively young man right, looking at his future,
Speaker 3: and his future is going to be in Europe, probably
Speaker 3: not a lot of his time in Ukraine, it's going
Speaker 3: to be in Europe. And so he's positioning himself as
Speaker 3: a hero in Europe, a hero across Europe who stood
Speaker 3: up to Trump in the Oval office, mock Trump criticized Trump,
Speaker 3: Paul Trump, he was wrong about things. So I think
Speaker 3: this was all about Zelensky. And remember, this is a
Speaker 3: guy what magazine was it Vanity Fair or one of
Speaker 3: the other ones, or was it any leebo its whoever?
Speaker 3: This is a guy, Zolensky who did a glamour shoot
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the war, you know, with one
Speaker 3: of the big magazines and one of the big glamour photographers.
Speaker 3: So I think that's what today was all about with
Speaker 3: Zelenski and what a grave disservice to the people of Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Let's hit this brake, we'll come back and we'll play
Speaker 3: that ten minutes in close to its tirty.
Speaker 5: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Glad You're with us.
Speaker 3: I had wanted to play the full ten minutes segment
Speaker 3: in this break, but I went a little long in
Speaker 3: the last one, and so let's save it for five
Speaker 3: oh six. Okay, But I think you're really going to
Speaker 3: want to hear the full ten minutes together. And if
Speaker 3: you can't stay and listen to it on the show,
Speaker 3: then sometime over the weekend dig it up, because just
Speaker 3: watching the whole ten minutes at the end consecutively really
Speaker 3: really powerful, and you know, we're playing well put together cliffs,
Speaker 3: but I think you want.
Speaker 2: To see that the thing as a whole.
Speaker 3: And then what you really want to see you probably
Speaker 3: won't have time for it, but you really want to
Speaker 3: see is the full fifty five minutes the entire Oval
Speaker 3: office session.
Speaker 2: You'll be so impressed with President Trump.
Speaker 3: And if you're already angry with Selensky as I am,
Speaker 3: you know you'll be more angry with him and even
Speaker 3: more impressed with Trump if you watch the full fifty
Speaker 3: five minutes. And the reason I'm angry with them is
Speaker 3: the Ukrainian people deserve better. In my heart, and God
Speaker 3: forgive me if I'm wrong, I may be, but in
Speaker 3: my heart I believe that today Zelenski was just trying
Speaker 3: to posture for his future career at.
Speaker 2: The expense of the Ukrainian people.
Speaker 3: Because first he was wrong on substance when he's contradicting
Speaker 3: Trump and taunting Trunk and mocking jd Vance. And second,
Speaker 3: it's just very, very bad for the Ukrainian people. But
Speaker 3: I was talking about the break, and then we'll go
Speaker 3: back to the phone lines I was talking about before
Speaker 3: the break, about my personal belief watching this today that
Speaker 3: Zelensky's trying to set himself up for his next career
Speaker 3: be some hero of Europe for taking Trump on in.
Speaker 2: The Oval Office.
Speaker 3: Remember this is a guy, and thanks to the Texters
Speaker 3: who texted in on this, this is the guy Zelenski
Speaker 3: who just a few months into the war while his
Speaker 3: people his brave Ukrainian people, what great fighters are just
Speaker 3: being killed.
Speaker 2: By the thousands.
Speaker 3: He sits down and poses for a photoshoot with Vogue
Speaker 3: and Annie leebo So if you don't think this guy
Speaker 3: is very much about Selensky and is thinking about his
Speaker 3: future and how he wants to be portrayed in his
Speaker 3: next career, I mean this is crazy.
Speaker 2: His people are out.
Speaker 3: Bleeding and dying in the trenches and he's posing for
Speaker 3: photos with any Leeboitz. Here's one photo and it's Selensky
Speaker 3: with his arms around his beautiful wife, and then the
Speaker 3: caption says, of course she is my love, but she's
Speaker 3: my greatest friend, etc.
Speaker 2: And then it goes on to.
Speaker 3: Say the first lady wears Ukrainian designers such as Better Sick, Savoya,
Speaker 3: the Coat, Kasha Trova, etc. So he's sitting down for
Speaker 3: some fashion shoot with any Leeboitz at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the war. So if you doubt for a second that
Speaker 3: as he was sitting in the Oval office today he
Speaker 3: was thinking about how he's going to be treated around
Speaker 3: Europe very soon when he leaves office. Yeah, yeah, consider
Speaker 3: my theory. I think it's the best one out there, right, Now,
Speaker 3: by the way, Ryan little trivia question and who who
Speaker 3: on this program was photographed by Annie Leeboitz?
Speaker 1: Not me?
Speaker 2: Huh not? You must have been Kelly then No, no,
Speaker 2: not Kelly. Not Kelly.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll give that some more thought. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: probably the only portraits she ever did that she didn't publish.
Speaker 2: So what would that what would that tell you?
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's a story here that you're not
Speaker 5: telling your.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. We were out, you know,
Speaker 2: I was covering the O. J.
Speaker 3: Simpson trial and Annie Leeboitz asked to take some pictures
Speaker 3: and so, you know, but she soon found out that
Speaker 3: that I am I'm maybe the single least photogenic person
Speaker 3: in the world, which is really it's kind of appropriate
Speaker 3: because my wife and my daughter they're probably the two
Speaker 3: most photogenic people.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 3: But I mean, there has never been a good picture
Speaker 3: of me taken never. They can't even photoshop. But do
Speaker 3: we have a Justin from Littleton? Is he still with us?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, Well let's you still alive on Jack. Well,
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 2: Welcome Justin.
Speaker 10: Hey, Dan, He're right, I want to take a slightly
Speaker 10: different opinion here. I'm sure you guys have never been
Speaker 10: the Ukraine, don't have the Ukrainian I'm going to have.
Speaker 10: He just set the base here is the Lynsky was
Speaker 10: about to be murdered by poon on the first two
Speaker 10: three days of the war. They sent him special operators.
Speaker 10: I think either because of a Russian league or probably
Speaker 10: our Cia or something. That he wasn't assassinated. He could
Speaker 10: have left what's his name, President Ghani from Afghanistan and
Speaker 10: he slay out with a helicopter fal of gold the
Speaker 10: second Teleban came in. So I don't think he is
Speaker 10: that selfish to be honest. Now, did he handle everything right?
Speaker 10: Of course not.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, but thank you, and let's address that point
Speaker 3: first and then take all the time you want. I
Speaker 3: have praised Lensky in the past on this show multiple times,
Speaker 3: including for what you just referred to, and that the
Speaker 3: fact that, remember what happened at the beginning of the war.
Speaker 3: People say Trump is Putin's puppet. It's the opposite. I
Speaker 3: mean Putin went into Crimea under Obama, he went into
Speaker 3: Ukraine under Biden. He didn't go in under Trump. But
Speaker 3: remember it was Biden who tried to get Selensky out
Speaker 3: of there in the first two days, which would have
Speaker 3: handed the victory to Putin. So Biden offered Zelensky a
Speaker 3: flight out. So I praised Putin for stain that pardon me,
Speaker 3: not Putin. I would never praise him. He's Satan, He's
Speaker 3: the devil on earth. I praised Zelensky for stay then,
Speaker 3: But at the same time, listen, it's just one more
Speaker 3: quick thought, my friend, to your good question. If you
Speaker 3: want to look at that from a selfish standpoint, wait
Speaker 3: a second. If selfishly speaking, if Selensky had left the country,
Speaker 3: then he would have been he would have been humiliated
Speaker 3: and despised around the world. There's nowhere he could have gone.
Speaker 3: So even though it was dangerous to stay, you know,
Speaker 3: he also had some personal reasons to stay.
Speaker 10: Trip go ahead, please, man, I would say, you know,
Speaker 10: and Ghani would have been humiliated way and he wasn't.
Speaker 10: Nobody ever heard him again. So let's fast forward to
Speaker 10: the future. Right now, right, Ukrainians are dying five hundred
Speaker 10: one thousand a day, a Russian thousand and fifteen hundred
Speaker 10: a day. I get it, said, Zolensky said it. In
Speaker 10: my opinion, that deal was way too early. What they
Speaker 10: were saying about each other a week or two ago.
Speaker 10: Then he comes in really quick. It seemed like a
Speaker 10: very rush deal on Friday to come in to sign
Speaker 10: this mineral rights. That was too quick, right, Obviously they
Speaker 10: had emotions. He should have waited a little bit. In
Speaker 10: my opinion, they probably should have talked it out. Zolensky. Yes,
Speaker 10: the world stage, you know, Vogue whatever, it was a
Speaker 10: PR war from almost the beginning. Because he is the
Speaker 10: most supportive they could get the GDP and Ukraine's won
Speaker 10: thirty five hundred and four thousand a year, So lucky
Speaker 10: Hoody and you Dan, we weren't we weren't well, we
Speaker 10: weren't born in Ukraine. We'd probably you know, be dead
Speaker 10: in a hole when we were twenty.
Speaker 3: So you're doubting that his Vogue shoot was was just
Speaker 3: selfish and personal. How does his Vogue shoot help Ukraine?
Speaker 10: Like I said, it's a PR war almost from the beginning, right,
Speaker 10: he needed And I don't think that's he's worth. What's
Speaker 10: then he's worth like twenty thirty million?
Speaker 2: So is he rich?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Probably not.
Speaker 3: I don't like, I don't think that PR helps. Hey,
Speaker 3: you're welcome to stay. Justin and I don't want to
Speaker 3: catch off, but I have to take this hard break. Listen,
Speaker 3: Putin is evil, He's satan, He's the devil. Celenski hurt
Speaker 3: his own people today, I think, to advance himself and
Speaker 3: make himself look like a tough guy who stood up
Speaker 3: to Trump.
Speaker 2: Trump handled it beautifully. You're on The Dan Kapla Show.