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season's TV. A world of entertainment wrapped up inside Christmas

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begins with the RTE guide.

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Speaker 1: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping.

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Speaker 5: His wings, dig down in a forest. Man, it gonna

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cause a tree.

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Speaker 1: Fall, letting five thousand miles away.

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Speaker 5: Man, nobody seen, nobody else, you know, need no man,

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We don't like you fall. Then you get back that

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last man, go back and pann don't get better man.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I'll tell you know. It's a good recording,

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right when you record ten minutes of a podcast before

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you can get going. But uh, Gord, dude, it's great

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to have you back on, man.

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Speaker 5: Mister Burden, what a pleasure to be here. Thanks for

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having me, and Merry Christmas to you and your audience.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Merry Christmas to you as well. So last time

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I had you on and we discussed sort of when

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a lot of people myself included, became aware of like

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trucking as a safety issue, right because you know, these

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two Indian guys you crossed a two lane highway and

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you killed a family of four.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, since then a lot has happened. There have been

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some positive developments, the deaths have continued. I think a

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lot of people were made aware of it, and once

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that inciting incident came out, sort of like that, you know,

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poor girl Arena who was killed, all of a sudden

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people are looking for it. And you know, in the

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case of public transport, you realize, oh, okay, public transport

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is just playing Russian Roulette with getting stabbed by a schizophrenic.

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And similarly, I think a lot of people, myself included,

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just assumed that truckers probably knew what they were doing.

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And once you see that, you're like, oh, wait, this

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is a problem. I know you've been talking about it

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for a long time, but you know, if you could,

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could you say, you know what has developed since that,

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you know, dramatic incident in Florida?

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Speaker 5: Right, well, thanks again for having me, sir. What's happened

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since this incident in Florida in August? I mean, the

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sort of pressure on this issue is starting to build already,

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because there was a number of incidents beforehand. And if

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you're me and a handful of people on trucking Twitter,

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that pay attention to this. It's a daily occurrence almost,

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but you know, it's hard to break into the zeitgeist

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because you know, there's always been collisions, There's always been accidents,

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and the frequency is increasing, but the people involved are

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a different group of people. So since August, we've had

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a number of other crashes. There was one in Oregon

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last week. Yet another illegal some guy who showed up

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in America illegally from India given a CDL in California

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wiped out a pair of newlyweds in an accident near Bend, Oregon.

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We had an accident in Washington State. I hate to

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use the word accident. These were collisions, These were preventable,

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these were collisions. Accidents are accidents, collisions. We could have

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stopped it. So we have a guy driving a truck

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in Washington State runs into traffic, doesn't kill anybody. I

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think a few people got hurt, but you know, investigation

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turns out this dude was picked up once already for

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being in the country illegally, and because it's Washington State,

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you know they're not gonna do anything about this, so

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they just let them go. And we're sort of seeing

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if you zoom out and watch what's happened since the

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Florida thing. We are getting a lot of focus from

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the administration from Transportation Secretary Duffy, a newly appointed head

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of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, Derek Bars is

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trying to do something. President Trump is trying to do something.

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The bureaucracy, the administrative state, and a lot of governors

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are not cooperating whatsoever. And we see this tension also

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to a lesser extent in Congress, where you know, the

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administration wants to clean house, but there are an awful

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lot of moneyed interests who you know, pay for lobbyists

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and buy Congress critters who never want the flow of

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cheap labor turned off. And they're even proposing a piece

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of legislation that says it's going to do a whole

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bunch of stuff about the English language thing and the

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dodgy CDLs. But it leaves this huge back door to say, hey,

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we're going to leave it up to the secretary to

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determine when there's an actual labor need and if the

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visas are correct, and if all that stuff lines up

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according to the secretary, these guys can still keep coming

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and still be given non domicile CDLs, so they you know,

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smoking mirrors, We're gonna well, yeah, we're gonna do something

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about all these high profile incidents you guys see in

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videos every day on social media. But over here, no, no, no,

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no cheap labor, we want the cheap labor. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I was, honestly, I thought that there were there were

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two states I noticed in particular that had what, from

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my perspective, were good reactions. Ron DeSantis is obviously almost out,

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but nonetheless he gave an impassioned speech basically saying like

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this is unacceptable, This is no longer something we're gonna

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allow in our state. Saw similar things, I believe from

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the governor of Oklahoma, whose name I don't know off

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the top of my head. I'm not just trying to

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quiz you here, but was there has there been an

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appropriate response from on the state level, because clearly they

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have some level of say over you know, who gets

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issued CDLs, right.

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Speaker 5: So CDLs are supposed to be recognized federally, and the

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Feds are supposed to make sure that you'll only have

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one right because back in the day, long long time ago,

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you would get a CDL in one state and then

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if you ain't racked up a bunch of points or

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gotten accidents, you just get one in another state and

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keep going. The FEDS are supposed to be in charge

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of the system, which prevents that. However, they are issued

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by the states, and the states have a lot of

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jurisdiction and training standards, and you know how they do

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their testing. And some states are good. Some states have

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realized there's a problem, especially Oklahoma 'ron DeSantis. I'm a

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little bit. He's made a lot of cases. Yeah, he's

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made a lot of noise, but his state is one

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of the epicenters of the problem. We have a lot

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of really dodgy commercial drivers License school CDL mills down

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around Miami. We have a lot of dodgy DMVs. One

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of the biggest bribery busts in the sort of history

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of giving out CDLs to people for cash took place

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in Florida. So Governor DeSantis can make all the noise

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he wants, But Florida is actually probably one of the

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like top five or six states for this shit going on.

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So mister DeSantis, like clean up your own backyard blaze.

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Texas is another one. Texas has probably got more of

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these non domiciled CDLs than anybody else. So like you,

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you know, you and I spend some time on sort

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of quote unquote right wing Twitter or whatever, and everyone's

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always like New York, California, all these Democrats. It's like, no, guys, no, no, no, no, no,

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this is not a red blue thing. They're all in

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on it. And you know, again, we've seen some positive developments.

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the sort of more I don't want to use the

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term smoking mirrors, but people get they see things in

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the media, but they don't understand what those terms mean

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or the nuances of them. Right. So, there was a

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big announcement here a week or two ago, maybe a

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few days ago about you know, Secretary Duffy said, we've

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pulled ninety five hundred drivers off the road thus far

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for being unable to speak English language to our standards

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to get a CDL Okay, great, What does that actually mean?

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They were placed out of service. Out of service is

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a technical enforcement term that says the driver is no

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longer allowed to drive the truck until they fix the problem,

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the problem being they don't speak English very well. The

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issue is the enforcement of that they say, hey, you're

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out of service, they write you a ticket, listen, pardon me.

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But then sometimes the driver just gets right back on

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the truck and keeps going. There's been documented cases where

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a guy has been placed out of service and then

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busted hours later, or in the same state the next

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day at another inspection station. Again they were placed out

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of service, but they just get back in the truck

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right like a lot of these people don't care, and

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the companies they work for, these small little companies, often

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run by migrants themselves, also don't care. They'll just tell

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the driver, We'll just go to bed or whatever, disappear

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and you come back tomorrow getting your truck in the

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middle of the night or when nobody's around, and they

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just keep going right because the cops don't seize your keys,

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they don't seize or and pound the truck. I think

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they're doing that in Oklahoma, but as far as I know,

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none of the other states are doing the hard yards

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to get these guys actually off the road and out

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of service. Order is our violation is basically a fine.

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The government tells you you're not supposed to drive, but

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then that's it. Where's the rest of the enforcement. Some

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states are not enforcing this at all. California very famously

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has only issued one English language proficiency violation since President

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Trump and Secretary Duffy reinforce this old regulation that the

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Obama administration had waived. California is not playing ball, right

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And then you know, again, hats off to Oklahoma. Oklahoma

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and a few other states have been cooperating with ICE

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and you know, the ICE has shown up at inspection stations.

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Turns out the people in the truck are here illegally.

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Ice takes them away. Great, that's not happening in a

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whole bunch of states. And as we just saw in

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Washington with this crazy crash the other day, Washington just

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get lets these people go. You know, I'm assuming the

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same thing happens in other places. And then the issue

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of these licenses. Right Like, Secretary Duffy has made a

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number of public announcements saying like, if states don't play ball,

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we're gonna pull funding from them. The problem is is

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that Gavin Newsom in California is a great example of this, right, Like,

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Duffy said something like We're gonna pull forty million in

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federal funding from California, California has got the fifth largest

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economy on planet Earth. Right, forty million dollars is a

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rounding error in California's budget. Right, So this, this is

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a great threat from Duffy. But you know, Newsom is

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just like whatever, I don't care. We're just gonna do

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things the way we want to do them to like

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rub shit in the nose of the Republicans and Donald Trump,

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and we're just not cooperating and they're not well.

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Speaker 6: And especially it's like and look, I get it, like

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Duffy's only got certain cards to play, and like, I

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get it, that's that's probably the top thing he can pull.

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But to your point, like one forty million dollars a

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lot to you or me, it is not to the

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state of California. Also, this is assuming the State of

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California cares about a balanced budget at all, given the

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absolute debacle of that you know, light rails train they're

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supposed to be building, you know, connecting I think La

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and San Diego clearly they do not. You know, it's

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not it's not a threat to that they cared about this,

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we would not be in the situation we are. And

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I think that that you know, that enforcement element is,

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you know, a consistent complaint that many people have have

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had towards this administration, which is like, look like you're

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saying great stuff, but if you're not willing to inform it,

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if you're not willing to actually make it happen, then

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you might as well not be saying anything at all.

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doing the lord's work. People are as much as they

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can solving this issue in some instances. But if it's

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just a ticket, tickets can be paid.

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Speaker 5: Or not paid, people'll just keep going. So Oklahoma, great,

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I'm glad you keep bringing up Oklahoma. You know, awesome work, guys.

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But like the people who have orchestrated this replacement operation

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of the American truck driver, people who are coming here

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from other countries realizing there's all these holes in the

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system that they can profit from it and then take

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all the money back home and remittances.

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Speaker 8: His faded at said Lavai Marta Valleixula I couldn't shoul

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their father's staffer to Twig too month, his fader Larene

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trog two will you rudder Organ will flee along when

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you know the two couldn't Rushiora, he's doing too much

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to the Tatavala Contorto, Marvin Twig, Tomans Fiji Passenery Ugostinil

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not tom tour court at Rsa Ponkai.

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Speaker 5: They're not giving up on the paypeg. We're not giving

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up on parasitizing themselves on us. Okay, there's been reports

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that there's a couple of routes sort of like two

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lane United States Highways through Kansas that are now full

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of these guys. Right, They're like, okay, cool, we can't

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go through a if we're going to East, well just

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cut up through Kansas. There's a fellow trucking Twitter driver

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was telling us about you know, we went to this

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little truck stop in Kansas and like ninety five percent

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of the people there were these you know, non domiciled

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migrant drivers. He spoke with the staff at the truck stop.

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They said, Yep, there's been a big spike in this

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in the last couple of months, and that's because of

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ocala coloma. So they're just avoiding it. I'm getting lots

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of reports online of a lot of trucks are now

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moving at night when there's less enforcement going on. I

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have a contact on Twitter, a young lady named Miranda

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at Trucking Made Successful. She does her own YouTube show.

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She's very tied into the Eastern European trucking community. She

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speaks Rock, Ukrainian and Russian, and she monitors their telegram

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channels and their social media. And those guys are just

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being very flippant about this. They're like, we're not leaving,

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We're not We're not gonna go. We're not and let

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this scare us. We'll just figure it out.

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Speaker 9: Right, And you have.

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Speaker 5: Trucking companies. A lot of people online are saying, what

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about the companies?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 5: Great question, a thing that a lot of people don't

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understand about this particular issue is that it's not like

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Walmart or Amazon or you know, big trucking company X

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are hiring these people directly because they can't and they won't. Right,

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Walmart is not going to hire some illegal alien or

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somebody that doesn't speak English for their own trucks that

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Walmart owns. Amazon mostly doesn't have their own trucks. They

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use what's called the power only model, so they hire

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subcontractors to pull all of Amazon's trailers around between Amazon's

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distribution centers and to bring product into their distribution centers.

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And a number of very large trucking companies are also

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jumping on this bandwagon. It was sort of started by FedEx.

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FedEx really started off with the power only model years

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and years ago with domestic owner operators, and over time,

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this power only model, where you hire a subcontractor that

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owns the truck, pulls your trailers for you, it's really

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really taken off in the last few years, and it's

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taking advantage of all these small companies, often owned by

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migrants themselves, who only employ migrants. They actively discriminate against

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American and Canadian drivers. They will not hire locals because

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they're getting away with a bunch of different things that

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we would not put up with right low pay. They're

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backdoring elds. So electronic logging devices are these mandated tracking

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systems and big trucks that started being a lawed be

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in trucks at the end of twenty seventeen that was

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sold to US as a way to keep everybody honest

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and safe about how many hours they were working. Of

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course it's been compromised, and these companies that typically hire

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migrant drivers, they have offices and other countries because everything's

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on the internet now, and they backdoor into the ELD

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rewrite everybody's hours, make it seem like, oh, you had

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a cod driver, but you dropped him off in this

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other town and we here's his CDL and you can

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just say that he was driving the whole time and

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you can keep going. And they do this and they

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allow they slave drive these guys. Right, So there's a

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certain component of the story where these small migrant zone

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trucking companies they abuse their co ethnic homeboys and they

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just tell them, look, man, you can come to America

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and make tons of money. Ay, you're gonna work sixteen, eighteen,

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twenty hours a day, but it's more money than you're

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ever gonna make at home. Do what we tell you,

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and if you don't like it too bad, we'll hire

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somebody else. Right, And there's these there's just these guys

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being cycled in and out of trucks, and it's a

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whole system that has arisen over the last few years

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by just opportunists who realize all the holes, realize it's

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hard to get caught, and the very large shippers in

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America are happy to use them. But then sometimes the

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large shippers will say, well, we don't know about this

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because we use a freight broker. Well, the freight brokers

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know about it. So the freight brokers like, hey, cool man,

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I'm going to use this guy that's from Russia or

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Krigistan or Ethiopia, and he's going to abuse his homeboys

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and give me a good rate. I turn around and

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sell it back to Amazon or whatever company. I keep

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a percentage. Those guys get their stuff moved. Everybody's happy

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except motorists on the road who get unalived by these

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folks who have no idea what they're doing. They don't

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understand anything about North American driving culture. They don't know

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how to drive in the winter. They don't know how

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to read the signs for information. There's just a lot

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of basic incompetence that's just spread throughout the industry. And

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I know I'm rambling on here. They come at me

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with a morse pacific question, but like it's just so huge.

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There's just so much going on here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that that's you know, I'm glad

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you brought up earlier that this is this is not

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really a red or blue issue. That and we've seen

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this over and over again that you know, shure, they're

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the you know, the hardcore right wingers, you know, as

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much as that exists, and you know, the Republican Party

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that are firmly anti immigration. But I mean, uh, you know,

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what's his name, wheels down in Texas, Greg Abbott, Right,

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despite the fact that this is this ruby red state,

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you know, the most conservative area in America, he shows

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up at Dwally, Right, he's you know, building or allowing

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to be built these you know, massive effectively like you

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know ghettos, right, They whether they're Indian or pakstandy diaspora,

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either way, as long as the money is flowing, he

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doesn't care. And I mean you see the same thing

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with the with the you know, the issue surrounding labor.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: Obviously there's there's big inputs from you know, from unions

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right from the trucking companies themselves who want certain things done.

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But a big part of it is, and we've seen

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this with housing or seen this with anything else, is

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that like, you know, what is a problem for you

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is a solution for them, and they get way more

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money from people who want cheap labor than they do

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from people who want to get paid by their labor, right,

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And we see it across the board, you know, like

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these these one of the again, the kind of handoffs

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that we've seen is you know, ending or at least

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you know, severely restricting illegal immigration and just doing the

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same thing, but you know, throwing them at a student

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visa or you know, throwing them a work visa or

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something like that. And you know, there's kind of been

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this slow rolling you know, like tide of globalism and

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obviously it hit you know, domestic manufacturing first. You know,

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it hit construction. It kind of went through the trades,

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at least the ones where you don't need to be

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you know, bonded and apprenticed and all that, which is

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if you're wondering why plumbers and electricians so much money,

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that's why it's one of the few industries that's protected

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that way. And you know, now it's hitting trucking or

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already has. But I think what's interesting is it's starting

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to hit laptop jobs, right, it's starting to hit the

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middle class, in the upper middle class. And look, man, like,

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you know, I've worked in the trades. I have a

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college degree, like, that's what my career path was set

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out for. And when I talked to guys like me,

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you know, in my similar situation. You know, one of

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the best is Peruvian bull Ricardo Rio, super smart guy.

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And I just asked him offhand because I knew the

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answer before I asked him. I was like, hey, man,

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how many job applications have you sent out? How many

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of you heard back from? And he told me he

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sent out six hundred job applications. Now I believe that

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because I have also set out multiple hundred, Like, did

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the things you were supposed to do right to escape

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that sort of problem, right, make yourself specialized, get all

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the training, and then you realize your labor pool just

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like everyone else, just like the gross chuds. I put

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that in quotes because that's what you're told the whole time, like, oh,

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you be smart, don't do something with your hands, do

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something where they can't, you know, outsource it. Well, guess

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what they figured out a way how to do that.

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You know, you mentioned the way that all of this

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is you know, done via the internet. One of the

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things that you know you've seen going around is this

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footage from Manhattan where they've got you know, cashiers calling

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in from the Philippines, you know, working on a screen,

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you know, because they'll do it for three dollars an hour.

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But you know the same thing, right, we've just made

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it legal. Now we've given them a visa which says

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it's okay to you know, hire a software engineer from

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Bangladesh or you know, hire these jobs that were supposed

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to be you know, proofed against that sort of stuff.

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And the reason I say that is like, look like,

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you know, I've you know, worked manuel jobs. That's an

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important thing. It's a good thing. But the idea that

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you can just educate yourself out of this, you can

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you know, get one of these laptop jobs. Like no,

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it's coming for you too, It's coming for everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, something something that was very very hot across the

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internet here in the last couple of days is this

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article from Compact magazine from the guy's named Josh Savage

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or something and and and discusses the systematic discrimination against

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you know, white males gen z gen actor, you know,

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millennials for all kinds of jobs, mostly sort of you know,

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maybe not working class jobs, but next tiers up. There's

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been a lot of stirm and drying about this article.

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It's gone haywire, gazillions of views. Everybody's talking about it,

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and it's just of a piece of the sort of

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wider replacement of labor here. And it's like nobody is

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safe from labor arbitrage, right, And.

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Speaker 6: I mean, book man, I'm sure you remember, you know,

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the big edgy thing that you know, journalists were saying

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to miners and truck drivers fifteen years Yeah, well guess what,

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that doesn't work anymore, you know, I I know a

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lot of guys are in that field, and it's like

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unless you've got ten to fifteen years experience, and then

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even then you're not safe, like you're just cooked. Sorry,

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I just wanted to interject that, because like that's a

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line that we've had forced down our throats for as

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long as I've been alive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, and everyone, and I think this gentleman who

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wrote this piece of the same thing. Everyone's trying to

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do things as we were told to do them, and

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it's still not enough. I'm you know, I on one hand,

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I'm sympathetic to sort of old labor left arguments about like,

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you know, you have to look after the workers and

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capital has to be rained in at some point, and

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you know, the sort of like capitalist logic of always

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wanting to like squeeze the most out of everything. I

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get all that stuff. But it's interesting how in this

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day and age, like right now, the left is nowhere

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to be found protecting working class people, ruling class people,

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laptop chap case people. They don't care. The left has

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been completely usurped by identity politics, and they have been

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willing foot soldiers to turning everybody into globalized beije human

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resources slurry and just leveling everybody down to whatever the

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lowest common denominator of the entire fucking world is. Let

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me share some things with you, right, So, I've written

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this book. It's called End of the Road. Inside the

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War on Truckers. It comes out in March. It talks

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a little bit about some of the immigration scamming and

470
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all the crashes.

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Speaker 11: And another square story from toblerone work Christmas Do time

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for the gifts you got your boss Tina bath bombs

473
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shaped like mince pies but added Tobler and diamond truffles

474
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just in case. She unwraps the bath bombs silence, then

475
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the blir own truffles, velvety diamond shaped chocolates with a

476
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crunchy new golf filling. Oh big smiles from Tina. Whatever

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you give at a diamond just in case, table around

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never square.

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Speaker 5: Christmas English Language proficiency and how that correlates with like

487
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,759
scammy trucking companies who are unsafe and all the things

488
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:57,000
I I have sent out advanced review copies to people

489
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for blurbs and for publications to write reviews as the

490
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,559
book comes out in March, and a couple of folks

491
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,680
on the left have either totally ignored me get I

492
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:13,559
get no response. I had one gentleman say that I

493
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:17,039
was too hard on the Biden administration and their Trucking

494
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,680
Action Plan, which we can draw a direct line to

495
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,240
all the things we're seeing out there today. We have

496
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,160
the receipts, it's in. It's uncontroversial. Everybody admits that all

497
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,559
the crap we're seeing right now is mostly to blame

498
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,559
from them and this and this Trucking Action Plan, not

499
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all of it. There's a long history that brought us

500
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to that beforehand, but they made it much much worse.

501
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,079
This guy believes that, like, no, man, it's not just them,

502
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:45,680
it's the ATA. I can't sign on to this because

503
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:52,240
you know I it's not. You can't just blame Biden administration, Okay, whatever.

504
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,160
I mean, Everything left coded and right coded now has

505
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:03,039
prevented people, specifically on the left, from actually dealing with problems. Right,

506
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:07,440
I wanted to so myself and a colleague, we're gonna

507
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,200
do a podcast, right. I have my own podcast, you know,

508
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,240
Voice of Gord, and I talk about all kinds of

509
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:16,559
trucking stuff and some other things. One of the things

510
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I discuss is the implementation and the on, you know,

511
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:25,799
the sort of over the horizon approach of robotic vehicles,

512
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:29,119
autonomous vehicle systems. Right, autonomous trucks. That's why you know

513
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,240
autonomous truckers. I sort of the name of my substack

514
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:36,039
is a play on that. And there's a guy who

515
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,000
hosts a podcast that talks about industrial revolutions. It's quite popular.

516
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:42,480
It's one of these sort of history nerd podcasts. I

517
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:44,039
was put in touch with them. I said, hey, man,

518
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:45,680
you want to come on my show. Let's talk about

519
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:49,839
you know, fourth Industrial Revolution and truckers. Let's go. And

520
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,720
he's like, yeah, man, I'll be there, let's do it.

521
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,839
This sounds great. Two days before I was supposed to

522
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,039
record the show, this guy finally does his homework, goes

523
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,319
through my substack, discovers that I've defended the Freedom Convoy

524
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,200
in Canada, interprets that that I'm an anti vaxxer, even

525
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,359
though I never talk about vaccines and I don't care

526
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,920
you do you that's my approach to that stuff, not

527
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,440
because I defended the Freedom Convoy and he was looking

528
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:17,200
through my substack of my podcasts. In his head, he

529
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,640
was going to face you know, issues if you talk

530
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,000
to me, right, So he sends me this email. He's like, hey, man,

531
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,640
you're an anti vaxxer. I don't know what we're going

532
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,599
to talk about. Like I'm gonna I'm gonna suffer reputational

533
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,720
harm if I show up on your podcast. So I

534
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:35,519
send him an email back. I'm like, we're not talking

535
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,880
about vaccines, Freedom Convoy, and we're talking about autonomous trucks,

536
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,559
industrial revolutions, that's what you talk about. We're keeping it

537
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,960
on that level. And he's like, no, man, I can't

538
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,599
talk to you. I go and I do a little

539
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,799
more digging about this guy. Turns out he worked for

540
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:54,839
the Democrats for ten years. So, like, I hate to

541
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,720
say it, if you're a person who's watching this or

542
00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:01,160
listening to me, you know, I'm at heart, I'm kind

543
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,880
of a libertarian populist. I want the government to be

544
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,759
kept small and to mostly leave people alone, but do

545
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,559
the necessary things that's supposed to do mostly for the people, right,

546
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:13,480
and I mean people in the country are supposed to

547
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:17,720
look after. I think the left has been totally mind

548
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,720
raped by this idea that we are supposed to just

549
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,720
accept that, like the entire world gets to move here.

550
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:27,079
And one of the things I want to talk about too,

551
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,720
I want to point out to folks that are watching

552
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,839
everything happening on the highways. Right, we see all these accidents,

553
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,880
We see the trucking industry being completely parasitized by these

554
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,240
foreign actors. It's all in one direction, right, much like

555
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,200
other labor, like construction labor, all these different things, they're

556
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,359
all coming here. Americans and Canadian truck drivers are not

557
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,640
moving to the Punjab wearing like a plaid jacket like

558
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:55,640
I am drinking a tim Orton's coffee, crashing trucks in

559
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India and killing innocent Indians.

560
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Speaker 6: How many hell are that idea for a common By

561
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:01,640
the way, yeah.

562
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 5: It's a great idea for a comedy, but in reality

563
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:09,440
that has happened zero times zero. There's other countries Canadian

564
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,519
truck drivers getting in accidents and taking the jobs of

565
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,720
Russians or Serbians. Zero people like to come at me

566
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:18,720
and say, you know, oh, man, that's not very nice

567
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:21,559
to Indians. Zero racist. I'm like, it's not just India,

568
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,759
it's India, it's Africa, it's the fucking Philippines, it's Eastern Europe.

569
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,480
All kinds of people are coming here, and it's all

570
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,480
in one direction. Nobody can find me, not one, not one.

571
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,440
I've been asking for months and years. Now, find me

572
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:41,400
an example of someone from here going to other countries

573
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,279
and doing the same thing. Zero. But we are supposed

574
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,720
to accept, on pain of being called racist and cast

575
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:55,079
out of consideration for inclusion in this sort of democratic

576
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,559
contestation about our own countries if we do not accept

577
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,400
this parent time where we have to just let all

578
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,880
these people come in here, take our jobs, do them poorly,

579
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,720
take all the money out and remittances, and send them

580
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:12,880
back home. So like today's immigration is not your granddaddy's immigration, right,

581
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,200
All of these people that are coming here and doing this,

582
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,920
they're not stupid. They can look on Zillo, they can

583
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,759
look at the price of real estate, they see the

584
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:23,559
cost of living, and they're like, fuck this shit, man,

585
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,359
We're just taking the gringoes money and going home with it.

586
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,759
They have no intentions of immigrating here. They know they

587
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:32,599
can't afford it. Why would they, So it's a total

588
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,440
parasitization operation. And whose asses are coming out of mine?

589
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,759
I'm not doing that to them. No other truck driver

590
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,599
here is doing that to these people over there. So

591
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,759
it's just like, guys, like, what are we doing here?

592
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 6: No? One hundred percent. I like that term you use

593
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,240
for the left because I think it's particularly accurate, right,

594
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,920
like they got they got raped by capital like that

595
00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,079
that the left is owned completely and totally and you know,

596
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,839
their initial class based analysis. The idea that you know,

597
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,519
we should you know, defend either the work or that

598
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:08,159
we should you know, have some sort of equity in

599
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,360
that way has been completely and totally globalized. And when

600
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,000
it's globalized, it becomes so non specific. Right, it's like, well,

601
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:18,239
I don't have to deal with you know, some guy

602
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,000
here that, let's be honest, I look down on I

603
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,280
don't like I think I'm better than well, I could

604
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,159
have this kind of vague general compassion for humanity just

605
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,119
writ large. You know, it was the line about you

606
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,280
know Stalin right where it's like he had a great

607
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,000
deal of sympathy for humanity in general and almost none

608
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,840
for humanity in particular. Right, it's like the same thing.

609
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:41,800
And you know, one of the things I've been interested

610
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,920
in is as this problem works its way up through

611
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,960
the middle and upper middle class, who is you know,

612
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:50,880
relatively speaking, either quite progressive or at least attuned to

613
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,559
progressive sensibilities, right, they don't want to be seen as

614
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,639
a gross, nasty populist. The question that always comes to

615
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,719
me is like, well, when does this When does this break?

616
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,719
When does this bend? Because it's now gone from being

617
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,239
this kind of like vague general idea. You know of

618
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,920
someone who I don't know, who lives in a gross

619
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,239
area of the country I don't want to go to

620
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,280
he's losing his job. Well, dude, it's your company now,

621
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,519
Like you don't get your you know, comfy laptop job

622
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,320
in LA anymore, because it isn't in La anymore. Either

623
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,719
we brought someone else here, or we sent it somewhere.

624
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,679
Speaker 5: Else, right, We sent it to Mombay, Right, And I'm.

625
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 6: Assuming there's going to be some kind of movement there.

626
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,079
We haven't seen it yet. But one of the things

627
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,159
I think about a lot is like, look, I'm not

628
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,079
a huge economics guy. But like everyone's getting just demolished

629
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,519
by inflation and cost of living, you know, across the

630
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,199
entire West. And a friend of mine was doing some calculations.

631
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,119
It basically came up that you to be middle class,

632
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:50,880
like basically to have enough to meet all your ends

633
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,000
and to save at a rate which beats inflation, right

634
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,559
to actually grow something, you need to be making like

635
00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:00,280
one hundred and forty k us, which is a hell wag.

636
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,199
And so now you start to think, you're like, okay, well,

637
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,920
all those laptop jobs. You're living in Manhattan, you're living

638
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,559
in DC, you're living in LA We're making like a

639
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,519
buck twenty. Wait a minute, that's a lot of money

640
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:11,960
compare to what I make, compared to a lot of

641
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,639
people make. But you're not really doing that well, are you.

642
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,679
You're probably making less in real terms, both like just

643
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,280
the dollar amount and also just compared to your cost

644
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,440
of living. Then you know some electrician out in the

645
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,119
middle in Biloxi, Mississippi, right where he can buy a

646
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:31,480
house for eighty grand, you know, and then you start

647
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:33,159
to think like, oh, this makes a little bit of sense,

648
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,159
because these these platitudes about immigration, about all these kind

649
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,679
of progressive values well, they do the same thing that

650
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,960
money used to do, which is it makes you better

651
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,760
than that person, you know, whereas before you'd be richer,

652
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,480
now you're morally superior. And it seems as if that

653
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:50,480
matters a lot more for a lot of people being

654
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:54,519
better than the chuds, right, the term they use for

655
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:57,480
kind of flyover Americans. I assume there's a Canadian version

656
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,199
of it where it's like this dismissive like the the

657
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,519
dirt people. You know, it's by a dear departed friend.

658
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,039
Zy Man would say, you know, and we cloud people

659
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,440
were better than them, and we have the values of

660
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,800
people who were better and it's it's one of those

661
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,119
things where it's like, apparently you could take a pretty

662
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:14,679
big hit to your pocketbook and that still doesn't matter.

663
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you can take a hit to your

664
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,280
pocket book. You can't take a hit to your driver's

665
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,800
side door at seventy miles an hour. I hate to

666
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,039
be I hate to be flippant about this or make

667
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:34,039
light of tragedies and collisions, but like, thousands of people

668
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:37,880
are being killed on our roads every year, and those

669
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:42,079
incidents keep going up, and a lot they're involve an

670
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:45,599
awful lot of people who shouldn't be here, either they're illegals,

671
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,440
or they were migrants or refugees that were issued CDLs

672
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,039
under questionable circumstances.

673
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 6: I mean, just normal driver's licenses.

674
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 10: Right.

675
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 6: I'm sure you remember with the whole you know, Haitian

676
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,199
resettlement in Ohio.

677
00:37:59,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 10: Right.

678
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,079
Speaker 6: One of the big things that everyone is talking about

679
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:05,280
is no one could figure out why insurance premiums, you know,

680
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,880
for like your mom's Toyota Corolla had gone through the roof.

681
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,000
And it turns out the answer is you given thousands

682
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,159
of people who do not know how to drive a car,

683
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,159
a driver's license and a free car, right, what do

684
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:17,079
you think is gonna happen?

685
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,039
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, no, no, no no, And that's happening and trucking.

686
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,679
I don't want to give too much from my book away,

687
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,280
but I talked to a couple of people in the

688
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,400
insurance and sort of lawyering industries about this, and everybody's

689
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,599
insurance is going up, and it's not just cars, right,

690
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:36,760
Like that's a great anecdote about like you know, Springfield, Charlovoy,

691
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,599
all these places, Charlotte roy in Pennsylvania, all these towns

692
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,079
that have been like gone through these crazy you know

693
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:48,440
replacement things where NGOs and nonprofits working with the government

694
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:50,719
just air drop in all these refugees and people from

695
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,239
other countries and refugees in air quotes because they're not

696
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,280
most of them are just economic migrants. And then we

697
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,199
have to deal with it. And we're seeing the same

698
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,440
thing in trucking where you know, everybody always asks me like,

699
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,639
holy cow man, like how did this guy with like

700
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,519
no experience just get insured? Because a lot back in

701
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:11,320
the day when I was a young guy, when I

702
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:14,800
was eighteen nineteen, I was extremely lucky to work for

703
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,719
a trucking company that would pay the extra money to

704
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,800
ensure my sorry ass. They kept me close. I only

705
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,159
worked around the Toronto area. I didn't get very far away.

706
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,400
They kept me on a short leash. But like today,

707
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:34,119
you know, there's three major insurance companies. I think it's Guyco,

708
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,079
Progressive and one of the other ones that are giving insurance.

709
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:42,679
These are the bigger insurance behind the small insurance brokers,

710
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:44,800
and they are issuing policies.

711
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 12: A Christmas visit to Dondrum with Mom and stuff followed

712
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,880
and Santa sac on the twenty fourth at the ice rink,

713
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,159
she's clutching the edge. Well, my little one is lapping

714
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,719
us in brown. Thomas's spraying the perfumes around like air fresheners.

715
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,599
We do Harvey Nichols and always Reese m Ands. She

716
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,119
gets browsed on at Edvard and Pink talk about a

717
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:05,280
new face. Then it's Katsu's and Wagamama and a Hansel

718
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,880
and Gretel Panto with the male theater. Later I drop

719
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,679
her home and Mom says, thank you, Pet. Best day

720
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,000
out in ages, search Dondrum Town Center and make a

721
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,159
day of it this Christmas.

722
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 5: To these companies owned and run by migrants who are

723
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,760
employing their co ethnic homeboys who have zero experience breaking

724
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,039
the law by not even knowing English to begin with.

725
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,400
And it's happening. So like I think, I think a

726
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,719
way to stop this, you know, like Duffy's doing the

727
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,440
English language thing us dot ices at certain places. That's

728
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,599
all good, but it doesn't address the like root cutoffs.

729
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:47,239
And at some level I think the insurance companies need

730
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,880
to be brought into account, Like for years they would

731
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,519
never ensure a local to drive a truck until they

732
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,000
were twenty one or twenty five. That all these tiers,

733
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:59,039
you know, some big companies that like self insured could

734
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,719
get away with like young ages or least amount of experience.

735
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,039
There was a study done by Virginia Tech a few

736
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:12,000
years back about what's the difference with truck driver accidents?

737
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:16,400
Is there a difference in age or like amount of experience?

738
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,360
And they found it was actually the amount of experience

739
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,960
that was the key factor. It wasn't age. Well, when

740
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:26,719
you show up here yesterday from Ethiopia and some NGO

741
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,400
pays for you to go to a scummy two week

742
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,079
long CDL school to get you a CDL and get

743
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:35,440
your working right away. You don't speak English, you don't

744
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,360
know anything about American driving culture. You don't know anything

745
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,000
about the physics of operating an eighty thousand pound vehicle.

746
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,119
You probably didn't drive when you lived in Ethiopia, wherever

747
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:46,639
the hell you came from, and now you're here being

748
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,199
Billy Bigregor. I want the folks in ensuring these companies

749
00:41:52,760 --> 00:42:00,360
hauled before some kind of inquisition with teeth. There's there's

750
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,760
been some talk there's probably a term some of your

751
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,320
listeners have heard about called chameleon carriers. And what's happened

752
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,880
is you'll see videos of this where like some guy

753
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,800
in flip flops or whatever ethnic dress, gets out of

754
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,159
his truck and he's got like a piece of paper

755
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,400
or a cardboard on the side of his truck with

756
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:19,760
tape on it, and takes that off and puts up

757
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,880
another one with new registration numbers and whatnot. These companies,

758
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,119
these small, scummy little companies that contract to Amazon and

759
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,440
everybody else, Fat Acts, all the rest of them, they

760
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,519
eventually get caught. They run up points, their drivers get

761
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,360
in trouble for breaking the rules, their trucks or pieces

762
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,840
of shit. They get constant inspections. And what they do

763
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,440
is they just have a different registration number and a

764
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:47,679
different LLC and they just put up a new name

765
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,559
on the truck and keep going. It's the same people,

766
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:53,639
same drivers, same equipment. The government knows about this, but

767
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,280
they have not put any effort towards enforcing it right.

768
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:01,159
And one of the problems is is that these companies

769
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:04,400
are registered to these LLCs that are registered at an

770
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,559
apartment complex. There's no trucks there, there's no business there,

771
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,039
there's no nothing. All of this is illegal. They could

772
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,960
be shut down tomorrow. The government's not doing it. What

773
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:18,079
does that tell you when the government knows about a problem.

774
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:21,320
They know who the bad actors are, they know exactly

775
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,360
what's going on, yet they don't do anything about it.

776
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,639
I think there's a popular term on the dissident right

777
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,039
called Anarco tyranny, and I think we're seeing that in trucking,

778
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:37,679
where it's like, nah, well, you know, we'll do inspections.

779
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,519
We'll have a few states do the thing, like Oklahoma.

780
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,679
But the Feds know all of this is happening.

781
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,039
Speaker 2: They do.

782
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,599
Speaker 5: I've talked to people who've relayed my information to them.

783
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,840
A number of my associates have been working with USDOT.

784
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,159
I'm not going to name names. They know, they know

785
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:04,760
the FMCSA as an organization, as a federal department that's

786
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,840
supposed to be doing something about this, they're they're not,

787
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,480
and I want them to. I don't know if they're

788
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,400
going to. Maybe they are. They've been making noise about it.

789
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,239
They said, oh, you know, Derek Barr, is this new

790
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,119
guys like, yeah, we're gonna come after you. Okay, cool?

791
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,239
I await proof.

792
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 6: Well and like taking that an Arco tieranny point building

793
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,880
it out a little bit. When you have this system

794
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,760
where it's like, if you're willing to cheat, you can

795
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,960
just dodge all responsibility. Well, it creates this whole like

796
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:36,000
perverse incentive because if you're doing things by the book,

797
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:38,920
you're kind of an idiot, like not literally, but like

798
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,760
you are losing out right, you could be saving more

799
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,320
money and bearing no cost for breaking the rules. And

800
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,719
so if you're one of these you know, mid sized

801
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,320
companies who assume if they you know, they exist, But

802
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,000
like if you're a company that actually wants to play

803
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:59,360
things straight, that wants to do things right, you're equally

804
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,159
getting screwed because all your competitors can do whatever they

805
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,039
need to to get a bid to pay, to pay

806
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,920
their guys less, and if you mess up, you might

807
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,599
actually bear consequences for it. But if you're one of

808
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:16,039
these you know, crappy little LLCs registered to someone else's

809
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,320
apartment and I don't know, you know, pick your random

810
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,559
city of choice. Even if they do, you know, go

811
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,440
through the effort, you're never gonna have to bear consequences

812
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,760
for it, right, Because again the whole thing is, you know,

813
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,559
cheating is incentivized at every level, Like what do you

814
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:33,320
think is gonna happen?

815
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,679
Speaker 5: Right? Well, and and again you know the cheating is

816
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,280
incentivized and because so much of so many of our

817
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,599
businesses and industries can be administered and run by people

818
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,119
who aren't even here. And this is one of the

819
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,840
rubs with trucking, right, So, like this is why some

820
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,480
chameleon carrier, some company run by Russians or Ukrainians or

821
00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,960
Serbs or Ethiopians or Pakistanis or whoever, they'll have like uh,

822
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,280
they'll they'll have some empty apartment in a complex in

823
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:10,039
California or Springfield or Saint Louis or Chicago or wherever,

824
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:14,840
and they're not even here. You even if you wanted

825
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,039
to like get past the narco tyranny and actually enforce

826
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:22,599
the rules, you can't. They're administering everything. They're sending dispatch

827
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:26,519
and instructions to their drivers on telegram. They have they

828
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:28,239
have an off they have some other guy in their

829
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,199
office in whatever country who's backdoring their elds, allowing these

830
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,360
guys to cheat all the rules, right, and then if

831
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,119
they get caught, they just, you know, they go on Facebook.

832
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:41,880
There's an open trade in motor carrier registration numbers and

833
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,760
they just buy them online. Oh, we'll just switch it

834
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,719
over to this new LLC. And then they just switch

835
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,599
the numbers and they keep going and they know they

836
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:52,559
can get away with it, and they can get away

837
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,519
with it because they're not even here. They're not even

838
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:59,440
in the United States, right, These people that are orchestrating

839
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,599
the parasitization of a very key component to the United

840
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:08,320
States economy, which is their supply chains. Everything moves on

841
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,360
a truck, okay, and these guys are running it from

842
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,679
overseas with insourced labor, working for less money, breaking all

843
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,400
the rules, and they're getting away with it. And another

844
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:25,199
thing with these elds, there's been reports now of these

845
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,360
carriers working through brokers are moving loads for the United

846
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,800
States military. Right. A lot of the information about loads

847
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,360
is being sent back through the same technologies. There's an

848
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,920
interoperability with a lot of the eled stuff where the

849
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:46,880
information about the loads location, you know, you know, you

850
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,239
can geographically track. All this stuff is now going overseas

851
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,199
and possibly to foreign adversaries. Like what's to stop some

852
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,239
guy in Serbia who got a load of like US

853
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,119
military stuff or some key parts you know, working for

854
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,599
some like you know, computer chips or some other necessary component.

855
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,760
And that's you know, that's a very high profile takes

856
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,119
the information about all that and sells it to somebody

857
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:16,360
in China. I mean, it's in Serbia. Who are we

858
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,159
going to stop this? The holes in America's sort of

859
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,159
cybersecurity are so big that we're just driving truckloads of

860
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,760
information through them. I mean, you know, literally and figuratively.

861
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:29,719
So how does that?

862
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 6: And and for you me, I don't know enough about this,

863
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:35,159
but you said that they're basically an open trade in

864
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,840
these registration numbers. How does that work? Because you know,

865
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,039
you'd assume that there must be some sort of corruption

866
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,960
within the system to allow that, from like the government side.

867
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,679
Speaker 5: The corruption within the system is the lack of enforcement.

868
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,039
So a motor carrier number is essentially a commodity. Let's say,

869
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,000
anybody with a commercial vehicle registered federally that's the minimum

870
00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:00,440
weight requirement to be considered a commercial vehicle for federal

871
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:06,039
registration purposes requires a motor carrier number. You apply for it,

872
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,880
you get it, and then that motor carrier number develops

873
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,239
a history. And if you have a motor carrier number

874
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,280
that's got like a long history, it's been around a

875
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,880
long time. You do all the things right, you can

876
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,639
sell it. You can sell it to somebody. Now the

877
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,039
rules are supposed to be that, like you're supposed to

878
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,719
sell the whole business, and there's a bunch of other stuff,

879
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,679
but again there's no enforcement. So someone you can go

880
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,119
on Facebook and let's say you're like some boomer guy

881
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,639
that had a landscaping business and you had a couple

882
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:39,880
of dump trucks with some float trailers to move around,

883
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,920
your bobcats and your little mini excavator, when you had

884
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,800
a motor carrier number, and you go on Facebook You're like, oh,

885
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,119
I'm done now I'm sold on my equipment. I'm retiring.

886
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,159
Well I got this MC number. Oh shit, I can

887
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,559
sell this to some guy from fucking Ukraine who's gonna

888
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:59,039
give me thirty grand for it. Cool. There you go,

889
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,440
and they're just there's a trade in them. And then

890
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:07,199
that guy runs up a bunch of inspections, crashes his trucks, fails,

891
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,280
you know, does a lot of bad things like Amazon relay.

892
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,599
So there's this. So how Amazon moves all their loads

893
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:18,079
around is through this sort of internal kind of like

894
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,360
uber system for lack of a better word. It's like

895
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,280
a cross between a load board and an app where

896
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,639
they like hook up. You know, drivers can bid on

897
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,639
loads and lanes and stuff specifically within Amazon's own network,

898
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,920
and you can you can lose points on Amazon as well,

899
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:40,159
right like, if you're late, if you like piss somebody off,

900
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,719
and you know, there's all Amazon has all their own rules.

901
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,400
If you get a new MC number, you can just

902
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,639
go back to Amazon and keep working if Amazon even

903
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,800
kicks you out, right, Like, there's no clamping down on

904
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,280
this system where you just exchange registrations. There's black markets

905
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,400
and all this stuff, and the government is not doing

906
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,280
enough to clamp down on it whatsoever.

907
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's it's one of those things where again to

908
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:14,679
your point, it's like, clearly if there are this many,

909
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:18,599
this many issues and this many places where indexes with

910
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:23,360
re existing laws, they're just not being enforced. You see this.

911
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:26,360
This is a bit of a tangent, but you'll see

912
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,519
where I'm getting. You see this with gun laws in

913
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:33,280
the States, right where like, if someone like a normal

914
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,920
guy basically makes a mistake, you know, combines two things

915
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,159
that are individually legal, but when put together are not,

916
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:43,639
he gets a twenty five year felony right ruin his

917
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,320
life two hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine. Whereas there

918
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,360
are others, you know, like the glock switch, right, which

919
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,880
has become infamous recently, which is a you know, machine

920
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,320
gun conversion device, highly illegal. We can find those anywhere

921
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,679
in any major city, in any major city, just anywhere.

922
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,960
But even though it's illegal, even though there is you know,

923
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:07,280
on the books for existing laws, it just simply do

924
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,760
not get enforced for any number of reasons. And so

925
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,280
at a certain point you're like, okay, like we have

926
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,800
all these problems. You say, oh, this new law, this

927
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,519
new regulation, this new piece of tech that rides around

928
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:19,840
with you everywhere you go, that's going to be the

929
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,480
thing that fixes it. And you know, much like the

930
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,159
surveillance stuff we see here in the UK where it's

931
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,119
always this will be the thing that fixes terrorism, This

932
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:28,920
will be the thing that fixes crime. It's like, well,

933
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,679
you don't enforce what you've already got, Like, you don't

934
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,199
you already have all of these powers, all of these

935
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,840
things you can do, and you never use them for

936
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,480
what you're supposed to, always using them to ruin someone's

937
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:42,440
life who's not doing anything wrong. And so why do

938
00:52:42,519 --> 00:52:44,440
I believe you, right, why do I believe you that

939
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:46,440
you just need a little more power, You need a

940
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:49,360
little bit more and then I'll solve the problem. And

941
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:51,440
like not to come across as like too much of

942
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:54,119
a you know, like twenty sixteen libertarian, because that's really

943
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:55,519
not you know where I come from. But at a

944
00:52:55,559 --> 00:53:00,679
certain point it's like, look, man, like why why do

945
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,639
I believe you? Because you already have all of these

946
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:07,480
opportunities to fix this problem, and you simply won't. There's

947
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,519
just not the will to do it. So like, what's

948
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,239
the point of even having these laws to begin with,

949
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,760
right if they're only selectively enforced?

950
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 5: Right? And this this, this, this creates a sort of

951
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,719
feedback loop. Right when you when you have no faith

952
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,000
or reason to believe that the authorities are doing what

953
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:29,920
they're supposed to do, it creates a cascading sort of

954
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:34,760
acidic dissolution of people's trust in the system, which eventually

955
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,039
collapses the system.

956
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,079
Speaker 6: You know.

957
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 5: And like I say, I have high hopes for Secretary

958
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,559
Duffy and the Trump administration, but like some of the

959
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:49,039
stuff that's like involved here is so much deeper even

960
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,320
than them, Right, Like Amazon is one of the biggest

961
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,360
companies in the world, Federal Express, all these other major

962
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,400
shippers that have like freight buys in the billions of

963
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,519
dollars a year, and they absolutely do not care. They

964
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:09,679
just don't to them. And it's an accident, happens somewhere.

965
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,800
Oh well, it's a tragedy. They do the stall and

966
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:20,960
thing right. And they don't want to spend money on Americans, Canadians,

967
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:23,760
you know, people that live in North America. They don't

968
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,159
want to pay us an appropriate wage. They absolutely don't

969
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:29,280
give a shit. And if they can save money, they will.

970
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,159
That's why they have this bill before Congress now House

971
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,639
Resolution fifty six eighty eight, which says, oh, we're gonna

972
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,719
tighten up the English language proficiency stuff. We're going to

973
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,159
tighten up on these visas. We're gonna, we're gonna they're

974
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,880
basically trying to you know again, handwave way, Hey, look

975
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,840
over here, we're gonna deal with all this stuff for

976
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:53,119
which there are already laws on the books that you

977
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,039
could be enforcing them, and they're not. We say we're

978
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:59,440
gonna do this, but over here, you know, if the

979
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:02,360
secret he deems it necessary and the visas are all

980
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,320
lined up, they will still continue to issue non domoicyl CDLs.

981
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:12,159
And these fucking cocksuckers that put this bill forward. There's

982
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:15,039
a big, hot, raging debate and trucking Twitter right now

983
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:19,000
about this bill, and there's some sort of institutional people

984
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,360
supporting it, and it's like, all you need to do

985
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:24,199
is amend it. Pull out that part that says the

986
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,960
Secretary shall continue to issue non domicild CDLs if the

987
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,800
visas are good, because that's the back door. Just get

988
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,559
rid of that. But they won't get rid of it

989
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:36,599
because they want to continue this thing where they get

990
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,480
their cheap freight and they have a case of indentured

991
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:44,119
servants working from overseas moving everything as cheap as freaking possible.

992
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:50,320
They don't want to pay regular, normal working class wages.

993
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,639
They don't want to pay for safety, they don't want

994
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,400
to pay for safe trucks. They just don't. They're not

995
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,639
interested and buy their fruits. You shall know them. I again,

996
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,679
as I started off with the show, here, Duffy and

997
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,400
the administration see the problem. They want to fix it.

998
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,719
There's a lot of people in Congress and a lot

999
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,880
of people at the state level that don't. There's status quo.

1000
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:19,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's the thing where it's like, if if

1001
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,360
we're going to fix this, and I realize you know,

1002
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,239
guys like Duffy might be in a tough spot like

1003
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,119
I'm gonna need to see something because like as you've said,

1004
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:30,840
it's like seemingly, you know, you put out a bunch

1005
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,800
of nice fluff with a poison pill in it, and

1006
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,960
you won't take that out no matter what. And you

1007
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,599
start to realiz like, oh, that's what you want, that's

1008
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:39,920
what you care about. All the other stuff is ancillary.

1009
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,159
It's just something you throw in to make people swallow it.

1010
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,639
And at a certain point it's like again, like you said,

1011
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:49,960
I prove it to me because just this, like you know,

1012
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:52,840
saying you're gonna address it and then doing the same thing,

1013
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,360
It's like that doesn't really help us at all.

1014
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 5: Right, No, you know it's funny, Like if I want

1015
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,119
to make one last point here, of course, there are

1016
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,840
millions of Americans with CDLs. There are people in this

1017
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,039
country who speak the language, know all the rules, who've

1018
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:12,719
been through the whole grinder. Ninety percent of people who

1019
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,280
get a CDL quit the trucking company they got it

1020
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,119
with or the industry in general within one year. The

1021
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,159
industry does not want to fix itself. It has not

1022
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,639
want to fix itself for decades, and now the new

1023
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:27,039
thing is abusing in source labor. This is like a

1024
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:31,239
long running continuum. But there are people here, anyone that

1025
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,519
tells you that, oh, Americans don't want to do this job. No,

1026
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,480
they'll do it if you pay them right and you

1027
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:39,199
treat them correctly, right, And they don't want to do that,

1028
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:44,239
and they would rather have these fucking serfs, indentured servants

1029
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,280
who get abused by their own homeboys, and get abused

1030
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,480
by the likes of Amazon and FedEx and all these

1031
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,039
other huge companies that say, oh no, no, we don't

1032
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,880
hire foreigners. We just hire thousands of subcontractors who hire

1033
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,599
foreigners and then abuse all these people and then abuse

1034
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:02,440
Americas by taking away their good paying jobs.

1035
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 6: Well, and I mean to that point, right, like trucking

1036
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,920
is want it's not if it's not the I think

1037
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,760
it is one or two most common professions in America

1038
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:18,159
right by numbers. And traditionally this was a way that

1039
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:20,960
a young guy didn't have a lot of education, didn't

1040
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,360
have a lot of capital, could pull himself up the

1041
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,719
ladder right, could start making good money, could contribute to society.

1042
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:29,920
And look, man, you need jobs like that like you

1043
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:32,599
need entry level. And this has been the big thing

1044
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,360
really since the pandemic, is that there are no entry

1045
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,719
level jobs. They simply do not exist anymore. And so

1046
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,880
the question is it's like, well, what do you want

1047
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:42,360
people to do?

1048
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 5: Right?

1049
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 6: Do you want everyone to just work for uber, right,

1050
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,119
work for fast food? Like, yeah, sure, that's fine when

1051
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,880
you're a teenager, but you like, if you want people

1052
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,239
to be contributing to the economy buying more than just

1053
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,920
you know, cheap food and a crappy apartment, like you

1054
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:00,159
need to pay them right, and this, you know, like

1055
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:02,800
many things, you know there's a short term benefit but

1056
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,119
a long term cost. And as you've said, like, these

1057
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,440
guys aren't sticking around for the long term. You know

1058
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,280
that they're not here for the rest of their lives.

1059
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,280
They're cashing out. And once you've you've killed that industry,

1060
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,320
you've killed your base of people who know how to

1061
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,639
do it. As you've said, it's like the biggest predictor

1062
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:20,960
of safety's experience. And when no one has experience, when

1063
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,800
no one is to be honest, dumb enough to sign

1064
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,880
up and spend an entire career where they're competing against slaves,

1065
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:30,079
Like what do you think is gonna happen. Right, Once

1066
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:32,719
you've lost that, you have lost that. And that doesn't

1067
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,760
even talk about the social implications of not giving people

1068
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,960
a way to make it out, not giving people a

1069
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,800
leg up, because people don't just go away or they

1070
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,519
don't just stop caring like some of them do, right,

1071
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,960
someone blow their brains out or die of a fentanyl

1072
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,199
overdose or drink themselves to death. But like, is that

1073
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,840
what we're telling people, like I just kill yoursel I

1074
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,800
mean Canada, Yes, they literally are, but like, is that

1075
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:56,360
what it is?

1076
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:57,039
Speaker 5: You know?

1077
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 6: Just like there's no no role for you to play

1078
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,920
that's productive because like again, like there are few things

1079
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,639
which are worse for social stability than a whole lot

1080
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:09,920
of young men with nothing to lose and no prospects.

1081
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:12,079
I'm not saying this will be some sort of seventeen

1082
01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:14,000
seventy six thing, but like, look at all the political

1083
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,719
violence in America, Like how many of these are young losers, right,

1084
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,840
kids who don't have anything going on, don't have any

1085
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,360
prospects in life? Like where do you think that comes from?

1086
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,480
And I'm not saying that like the kid who shot

1087
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:27,800
Charlie Kirk would have been completely fine if he was

1088
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,960
working as a trucker. I'm not saying that there are

1089
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,559
obviously some pre existing issues there some bizarre sexual predilections

1090
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:34,400
we don't have to get into.

1091
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:35,239
Speaker 2: But like.

1092
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,079
Speaker 6: You're you're deliberately destabilizing society in the long term so

1093
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:43,480
that you, in the short term can get your stuff

1094
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:47,199
shipped marginally cheaper. And it's a choice. We don't have

1095
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,119
to do this, as you've said multiple times, we could

1096
01:00:50,159 --> 01:00:52,760
say we're not doing that anymore. You have to pay

1097
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,320
people a decent way, right.

1098
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 5: And you know, like theme part is, you'll get these

1099
01:00:56,599 --> 01:01:02,039
economic lolbertarian types, sir. You know the spreadsheet brain case.

1100
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,199
I've seen a number of different like studies on this,

1101
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:12,320
the cost to the consumer of paying drivers appropriately paying

1102
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,039
trucking companies a rate that they can maintain their equipment,

1103
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:19,079
do things safely, have a decent enough wage for the

1104
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:23,719
guy or gal behind the wheel at most, at most

1105
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:29,599
delivered product on the shelf, transportation in total for everything

1106
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,880
to do with that product at most three percent, and

1107
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:35,440
usually it's somewhere around one to one point two one

1108
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,119
point five. Like we're not talking we're not talking about

1109
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:43,679
like some major major put on to the consumer here.

1110
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 6: And that's even ignoring like the externalities, right, like, yeah, sure,

1111
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,360
you know the three percent you saved on Amazon might

1112
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,239
be nice. Let alone one hundred thousand dollars medical bill

1113
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,400
when your lower body is turned into chef boyardy, you know,

1114
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,679
because someone drove a truck into you, or like the

1115
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,639
insurance that we've mentioned, Like all these things add up,

1116
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,400
and like so many things, they they they privatize the

1117
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,719
benefit and socialize the cost right where it's like, you know,

1118
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,719
those companies are making money, they're making their three percent,

1119
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,880
which on a company that you know is spending a

1120
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,119
couple billion dollars, it's a whole lot of money. Maybe

1121
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:19,800
not the state of California, but you know to a

1122
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,719
company it is, and the cost goes to you directly

1123
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,079
in an opportunity cost. How much money you could be

1124
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:28,639
making goes to me because I have to pay for

1125
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,760
you know, increased insurance rates, you know, let alone the

1126
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,280
direct security of it. But it's one of those things.

1127
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,239
And look like this is one of those messages I

1128
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,840
sort of want to get out to conservative America because

1129
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,760
there are many cases in which your own principles, right

1130
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,760
your your free market economics are being used against you.

1131
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:52,800
Because yeah, sure, like we get it. We're not asking

1132
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,800
for socialism, we're not asking for, you know, some sort

1133
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,519
of unfair deal. But we're saying is you're being taken

1134
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:02,599
advantage of. You just don't know how, because they've hidden

1135
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:06,920
those costs. You're still paying them indirectly, you're still paying

1136
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,119
them in other ways. You're still paying them when someone

1137
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:12,960
you know or you yourself is killed. But the number

1138
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,000
on Amazon is hypothetically, and let's be honest, we don't

1139
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,559
even know if it is. They're just telling you it

1140
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:22,400
is lower. That's not a good deal, right, And you're

1141
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,159
not obligated to take the other end of a crappy

1142
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:30,280
deal because of your abstract principles. Because to be honest, right,

1143
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,039
as someone who lives in America, I care way more

1144
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:36,440
about America being a nice place than a three percent

1145
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:42,440
discount on my Amazon purchases. That's basically what's being offered

1146
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,599
to you. And the people who are making these arguments

1147
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:47,280
about oh, you know, the free market, this free market,

1148
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,679
that it's cynical, they don't actually care. They just want

1149
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,280
what they always want, you know, the poison pill they

1150
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,239
smuggled in that bill you were mentioning earlier. What it

1151
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,280
always is which is basically I want slaves. They just

1152
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,280
add more steps to it. So anyway, Gord, I think

1153
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,320
I have to go. My wife is cooking dinner and

1154
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:07,760
my phone is blowing up. Yeah, where can people find me?

1155
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:09,079
Speaker 9: So?

1156
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,519
Speaker 5: I typically write and podcast at Autonomous Truckers dot Substack

1157
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,719
dot com. My podcast is called Voice of Gord on

1158
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,280
all your major podcasting platforms. I have a book coming

1159
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,760
out in March about, in part what we just discussed

1160
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,920
here and thirty thousand foot view of why the occupation,

1161
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,599
the idea, the archetype of truck driver has been under

1162
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:35,599
attack for decades. It's called End of the Road, Inside

1163
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:38,159
the War on Truckers. It comes out in March. My

1164
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,159
publisher is called Creed and Culture Books. I think their

1165
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:44,199
website's Creedenculture dot com. You can pre order it comes

1166
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:48,639
out in March, and Merry Christmas. Thank you for paying attention.

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I'm also on Twitter at Gordon macguil. There's a whole

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bunch of awesome people on Twitter talking about problems with trucking.

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I am only just merely one of them. And be

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careful in the road. I want you and your family

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to be safe as possible. And I hate saying this,

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The trucking industry writ large, with some exceptions, has decided

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that your safety doesn't matter anymore. While they keep talking

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about safety, they're all full of shit and just please

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be careful on the roads.

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Speaker 6: That's well said. I'll be sure to include those links

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as far as my stuff, Jay Burden Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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anywhere you want us to podcasts. Oh, I'm newly on Rumble.

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I don't know if anyone uses Rumble, but if you're interested,

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you can find me there. This is what I do.

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If you want to support me, five bucks a month

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I think gets you all my content early in ed free.

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It comes out to like fifteen cents an hour for content.

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It's really not bad, so through a few dollars my way.

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If you can check out our sponsor, Axios Remote Fitness

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and Coaching. Again, Gord, it's not a fun talking you man.

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I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, thanks for having me. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Everyone at home, keep your head up. Well, I can't

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last forever. Good night, no.

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Speaker 10: One, but what's Gary? Gary,