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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media. I'm not with

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that I have for you today. Ladies and gentlemen, thank

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you very much for joining us on the Shirley You

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host and friend, mister Jason Colvin.

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Speaker 2: How's everybody doing. I was gonna try Comanche, but I

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have no chance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all good. You went to the museum before

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you went to see the movie, so that is quality enough.

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Ladies and gentlemen. We are here to talk to you

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today as a special bonus episode about the new Predator

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movie called Prey. Jason and I just finished up with

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our summer of nineteen eighty seven matchup of Predator versus RoboCop,

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and as a nice little coincidence it seems to always

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happen with us, thirty five years later, they released no

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with installment for Predator which is called Prey, and we

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both watched it and we both love it.

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Speaker 2: I barely knew that this was on the like, this

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was not really on my radar at all, right, and

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then we did RoboCop and Predator and it was like

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there's a new Predator movie.

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Speaker 1: What yeah, I mean in our research on Predator, I

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came across, Oh, hey, they're making another one. It's due

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out in just a couple of weeks. I had no

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idea about it. And then even as I was like

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driving over as we were doing one of the episodes,

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it pops up as a preview and I'm like, oh, wait,

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this actually looks really good. Like it was the preview

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lead you in, not letting you know what's going on

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until you're three quarters in, and I could hit skipped ad,

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but I didn't. I was like, this looks good, And

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all of a sudden, whenever the Predator lifts the Grizzly

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Bear up in the air, I was like, Oh, this

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is it. Yeah, this is the new one. I really

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want to see it, And man, I'm glad I did.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the fifth Predator movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The First Woman came out in nineteen eighty seven. As

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we've talked about July of nineteen eighty seven. It was great, Yeah,

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eighties iconic. We both loved it.

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Speaker 1: We discussed Predator and RoboCop in our past two episodes.

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If this is your first time to listen to the

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Shirley you can't be serious podcasts. Go back and check

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those out. If this is what you're listening to before

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you watch the movie Prey. I can tell you that

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you don't have to watch the other movies, but you

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will be best served if you at least watch part

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one and part two. Predator and Predator two both are

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key movies that have not necessarily Easter eggs, but lead

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ins in this movie.

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Speaker 2: I would call them easter eggs. Man. There are some

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really really cool throwbacks that I didn't get the first

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time through. And when you were telling me, he like, hey,

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what do you know about this or what's this thing?

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Speaker 1: I was like, what, yeah, I saw before you did,

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and you were like you were engaged.

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Speaker 2: I think, So this is how much I was in

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to this movie. Okay, barely registered on my radar. And

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then you're like, hey, man, Preditor movie coming out on Hulu,

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and I was like, well, crap, I need to watch this.

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So I jumped on Hulu. I was on a you know,

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adults only, you know, weekend away with my wife and

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I made her watch this because I was so excited

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to watch it.

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Speaker 1: Well, and she's native American as well, she's Cherokee, and

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the Friday.

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Speaker 2: So we did a we did it two night right

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Friday night, Saturday night, comeback Sunday, you know. And on

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Friday in Oklahoma City, there is a what they call

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the First Americans Museum, and it's in downtown unplomas. I've

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seen it for a while. I just we had never visited,

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and so we went on Friday afternoon. So my wife's Indian,

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of course, my kids are Indian, and then I go

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to this museum. I was like primed for this movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am super glad that this coincided so nicely.

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We're about to give you a spoiler free review and

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talk like we normally do on our podcasts about this movie.

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I'm gonna tell you some things to know from prior

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movies so that you could be prepared for some of

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those throwbacks and those Easter eggs. But I'm not going

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to spoil anything.

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Speaker 2: Before you get into the development story here. I was

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just gonna say, this is the fifth Predator movie. Yes, okay,

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necessarily mean that. But Predator to Predator versus aliens, and

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then the other Predator versus aliens, they all let me

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Speaker 1: Well, you had you also had predators, you also had

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the Predator.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right.

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Speaker 1: So, like I don't know about the aliens crossovers, if

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those are even considered. I think that the five if

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one that Shane Black, who was Hawkins in the original

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and writer of Lethal Weapon, and his buddy from college

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who wrote RoboCop three, they got together and they created

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this one basically got realized.

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Speaker 2: So I loved the nineteen eighty seven versions so much

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that I can't say no to any Predator sequel. Okay,

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pumped for alien versus Predator. I did see predators, I

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did see the Predator, and I, to varying degrees, was down.

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Speaker 1: By all of them. Obviously, Predator one is the is

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Speaker 2: It's the gold standard guy.

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Speaker 1: And then it's kind of between Predator two and Predators

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as to which one is finished as second.

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Speaker 2: Amongst those both have moments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, amongst the pre prey movies. Okay, so our story begins.

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Dan Krackenberg, yes, is in third grade when this movie

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comes out. He's born in eighty one. He's in third grade,

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and like me, he was not allowed to watch RATEDAR movies,

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and like me, he didn't get to watch it. One day,

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he's going to a karate tournament with a bunch of

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sixth graders and they start talking about the movie, and

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they start talking about the billy fighting the Predator scene,

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you know, and the billy cutting himself with a knife.

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this epic fight across this bridge that's going over a waterfall, and.

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Speaker 1: And then finally when he's old enough to finally see

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the movie, that seems not in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they made it up. The Mandela effect we talked.

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over zealously telling what they thought the story was to

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little Dan Krackenberg inadvertently say in motion the inception of

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this movie, that is awesome thirty five years ago, thirty

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you're here and Billy screaming. That's it.

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the Billy fight. It's a disappointment. Everybody wanted to see

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the Billy fight, but they don't. But as long as

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we're throwing in the throwbacks in the Easter Eggs, there's

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a moment I won't tell you what happens, but what

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Speaker 1: What here, let's do this. We will save the Easter

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eggs until the end, and we'll say, okay, folks, we're

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not gonna spoil it for you, but here are some

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when you do watch them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So young Dan Trackenberg gets this idea of how

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awesome Predator is going to be. Ultimately he sees it

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and is disappointed that this scene is missing, but he thinks,

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man a Native American fighting the predator sounds like a

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great story idea. And then he goes on to become

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Speaker 2: How awesomere hero right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was part of a few different podcast

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conceptions from quite a while back. He was a former

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host of geekdrome dot com. He was a former host

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of The Totally Rad Show. And I sent you a video.

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I mean it's it's guys in a small room with

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bad film making horrible jokes. I mean, it's not high

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quality stuff, but it's just funny that somebody who started

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there is now making the what is arguably one of

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the best predator movies of all time.

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Speaker 2: Well, which I would say is one of the very

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reasons why this movie is so good is because it's

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made with love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I gotta say I love doing podcasts because

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it allows us to dive in and learn about these

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real and it gives me inspiration to go, hey, let's

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keep learning about this and let's keep doing stuff so

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that we can be one of these guys. Someday this

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this movie geek like us finds his way into the

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real movie business, and a year after Amber mid Thunder

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real movie. He is the key grip for Fantasm for Oblivion.

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Speaker 1: If you don't remember Phantasm for Oblivion, you're probably not alone.

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his own short films. He does some commercials for Lexus

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I send it to you. It's this woman trapped in

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movie called ten Cloverfield Lane. Yeah, now that name Cloverfield

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installment of the Cloverfield series. First clover Field movie was

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by Matt Reeves, who we talked about when we did

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trying to see it, but it's not available free yet.

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it's awesome. Go check it out. Right. That episode is

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TV episodes, he manages to get a hold of John Davis,

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the producers for Predator, right, all of the Predators, right,

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Predator movie and just said, hey, I've got this idea.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that guy was like, sounds awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, who knows how complicated it actually

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was to get a hold of him, but I mean

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he had had those director and credits under his belt,

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he'd done two great TV episodes, he had done ten

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Cloverfield Lane, which it's not that he's a nobody. He's

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got some mojo, if you will. Sure, But honestly, looking

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at these you're looking at a guy who's written a

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few TV episodes. You're looking at a guy who's done

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a couple of TV episodes and one movie, and you're

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going to entrust them with the Predator IP. That's a

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pretty big deal. But I guess was so good. I mean,

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not only did Davis buy in, but Emma Watts, who

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was at that time the president of twenty Century Studios,

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she put it on the fast track. She's like, this

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is great, let's get this undone. Yeah. And so this

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was about twenty eighteen, So this four years ago, and

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they had been they had started writing the story together

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in twenty sixteen, and so it gets on the fast track.

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Dan's going to direct, and they got to pick somebody

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to act in it. And the person that they pick

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is a young early twenties girl named Amber Midthunder.

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Speaker 2: She was incredible. I loved it.

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Speaker 1: She makes this movie and she has to make this movie.

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And she realized at the time, She's like, you know,

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this is not just a movie where I got to

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carry the movie and it's gonna just be a movie.

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This is the first time that you have got a

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indigenous woman not only as the main character, but the

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main character in a movie that is almost exclusively indigenous people.

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It's about them, right, and so that's a lot of

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weight for her to carry. But she, I mean, she

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does a fantastic job in this movie. She is so good.

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She's so communicative. I mean, if you just watch the trailer,

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If you just watch the trailer and you look at

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her and see the fear in her face as the

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predator lifts the grizzly bear above his head, and then

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you think she's not actually looking at anything, right, this

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is all just acting. You're like, oh my gosh. She's

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so good, so expressive, very skilled physically. And another interesting

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thing about this to me is they non sexualized her

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as much as you could possibly do in this movie,

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Like there's virtually no skin. There's far more skin from

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the male characters than there is from her, and it's

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not tight fitting clothes. It's all very true to the

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time period and not immodest in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 2: Watching her do this role, she's like, why ching a

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woman athlete plays soccer or something like that. Yeah, she's sweaty,

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and she's dirty and muddy and grassy, and you look

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at it and you think that's a beautiful woman who's

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very sweaty and gross and dirty, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, she's Native American. She's on the rolls for

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Fort Peck Indian Reserve out of Montana, which is a

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Lakota tribe. Her dad has been in a ton of stuff.

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His name is David Midthunder. He was in Commanche Moon,

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he was in Longmire, which she was also in as

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a little kid, Westworld Hostiles. He's been in a ton

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of stuff. And then her mother is a casting director

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who has been an actor before, but she has. She's

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been nominated for an Emmy and an Aritos nomination for

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her casting work. She casted Captain Fantastic. Her name is

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Angelique mid Thunder. But it's in the blood of this

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girl and she what you probably if you've seen her before,

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you've probably seen her in either Legion, where she's been

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in about twenty seven different episodes, or Roswell, New Mexico.

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She's also in Hell or High Water. But if there's

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a breakout role, this is it.

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Speaker 2: She's got a very scorny weaver type of quality. I

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think there's a lot of aliens feel with this, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's the underdog.

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Speaker 2: I mean she is the underdog. She's not a dominating presence.

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She's like the little sister who will not be denied.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, she has got a lot of

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different cultures in her heritage. Okay, mid Thunder although it

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does sound Native American, yes, it's actually Norwegian. It was

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originally mid Thunder.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Now that crazy shocks me.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: By the way, my wife, as you know, is Jerkie,

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which we talked about, really enjoyed the performance of this

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girl as well.

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Speaker 1: She does an amazing job. So let's talk about some

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of the other actors in the movie.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, there's about five of them, so should be

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a short time, right. Are we talking about the dog first?

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Are we waiting on the dog? So the dog is great,

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The dog is awesome. Here is the shocking thing about

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the dog. Okay, normally you have a trained dog they

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bring to set, right, That's not the way it worked

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with this one. So they deliberately found a dog that

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looked like what a Comanche Indian would.

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Speaker 1: Have as their dog. Okay, and rescue that dog okay,

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and then trained it for two months like that's it.

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Like they said, okay, we need a dog for the movie.

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We don't like any of the trained dogs for this movie,

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so we're gonna go find a dog, rescue it, and

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train it ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Well as I understand it, there's a part in the

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movie where the dog runs off and she's like, where

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are you going? That was legit, Like that really happened

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at that moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it actually probably happened pretty frequently. And you know,

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they say don't work with kids or animals, there's a

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reason for that. But when the dog is on, the

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dog is really on. I mean I bought in. And

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as you watch the movie, as you can expect, you're

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constantly like, oh my gosh, there's something gonna happened to

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the dog, right, because that's what always happens when you're

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when you have a thriller horror movie, you've you're like, oh,

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what's gonna happen with the dog.

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Speaker 2: I was prepping myself. I was like, if this predator

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pulls the spine out of this dog, I'm going to

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have a problem.

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Speaker 1: Right right, Well, don't spoil it, okay, Okay, So Amber

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mid Thunder is playing nardou in r u is pronounced nardu.

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Speaker 2: Do you say so, dude? Okay, you watched the movie.

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And then we have sounds like they roll that r

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a little bit.

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Speaker 1: That's the sound. Is that that follow up?

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Speaker 2: D okay?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Nardo. And then we have for her brother Tabe,

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we have Dakota Beavers. Yes, this is his acting debut,

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and I think he does a great job for having

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no experience whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Just to kind of expand on that a little bit, Yeah,

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he has this air about him without words. Yes, this

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sense of confidence, the sense of superiority of an older brother.

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But he's actually three years younger than here is understanding.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. So we should talk about the Predator.

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Speaker 2: Dane Deliillerco.

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Speaker 1: You want to do that one again?

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Speaker 2: As you can tell, I'm a linguist.

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Speaker 1: Right, Dane Dileegro, Dilierragro. He's from Massachusetts, so who knows

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how they pronounce it up there. His dad is actually Italian,

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but he was, as you can imagine, a basketball player,

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played professionally over in Italy and Israel, I believe, and

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then decided to come back and be an actor. He

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had a YouTube series a few years ago called Adventure Monday,

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where he would go and like do it was like

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a culinary show where he was visiting food producers and hit.

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One of his best received episodes was the ten best

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Taco Trucks in LA that You've never heard of? Wow,

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I really want to go check those.

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Speaker 2: I like to hang out with this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, the original Predator Kevin Peter.

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Speaker 1: Hall, also a basketball player.

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Speaker 2: He was seven foot two, right, Dane did deliergro You

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want to do it again? Not really Dandelier gro all right?

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He was six foot nine. Yeah, shrimp. He does a

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good job. Man. He looks imposing to me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the thing with him, right, Yeah, the mask,

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the head piece that he had to wear as the actor. Yes,

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they they wanted a slimmer actor. He's a slimmer guy.

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He's more spelt more like swimmer, right, Because they were

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getting a little top heavy. They looked a little bobbleheady

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with our you know, Rastafarian monster. Well, so they they

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hitched Bobbleheady. Yes, they used practical effects still on this,

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which is great.

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Speaker 2: We are all four practical effects exactly.

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Speaker 1: But the practical effects were all electronics that were inside

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of his head piece, and they were so big that

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he literally had to look at his feet the entire

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time that he was performing. Wow. So everything that you

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see him do. You know, once you go back and

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watch the movie for the second time, everything you see

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him do, You're going, oh, my gosh, how did this

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guy do this without being able to see? Like he

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told he told to go to Beaver's At some point

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during their fight sequence, He's like, listen, man, I'm just

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gonna swing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you just got to get out of the way.

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I feel like there's one guy we need to mention

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as well. Then Itt Taylor plays Raphael and Olini.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, don't say any more than that. Yes, that's all.

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We'll say. He does a great job. I think he

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does a great job. Did you have more to say?

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Speaker 2: I have tons more to say about here, but I'm

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not going to You're gonna save it until the end

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so that we can give people a little bit of

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a spoiler warning, right right, Okay, all right, So we've

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got Amber mid Thunder, We've got Dakota Beavers, We've got

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Dane de Leage grow, We've got Coco the Dog, and

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those are the key actors. In the movie, right right,

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So we've got this together. They had one woman that

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they use in the writing of the script who passed

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away in the process to help them keep this as

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authentically Commanche as they could, right, okay. And then they

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had another woman named Jane Myers, who has been a

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production consultant for many Native American movies and she was

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key in this one. And the first thing.

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Speaker 1: That she said when she read the script was there

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are no horses. Yeah, And they were like no. She's like,

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you cannot have a Commanche tribe and no horses. There

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have to be horses, okay. And there are some beautiful

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horses in this one, paint horses, which you would expect,

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and there is a great horse riding scene sequence they delivered.

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She said, this needs to happen, and they delivered.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's a good insight right there. And there

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was even a good little sort of mention in the

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movie about that where he's like, I gotta get me

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a horse.

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Speaker 1: So, just to kind of dive into what they were

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doing with this movie, you see at the beginning the

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movie takes place in seventeen nineteen. Movies that have come

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out have been very influential. Dan Trackenberg said that Fury

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Road was one of the movies that he said, Wow,

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you can almost have an entire movie that is telling

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the story with action only, and so he was kind

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of looking for that in this storyline. Let's tell a

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story that you don't need a whole bunch of dialogue,

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and there's not a whole bunch in this one, right.

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But another movie that was super influential for a lot

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of people is a movie called Searchers, And in that movie,

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it's John Wayne movie The Searchers. The Searchers, Yeah, it

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does not paint the Native Americans in a good light

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at all. Right, it's horrible. If you see the movie,

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there are some key moments from the Searchers, just cinematically speaking,

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that they borrowed from okay and made their own. And

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I'm just that's all I'm gonna say about that. But

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if you're familiar with The Searchers, and it's cinematic awesome,

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it's john Ford movie, fantastically shot and done. But they

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borrow some ideas from there and make it their own

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and do a fantastic job with it.

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Speaker 2: Let me just say this about the scenery and kind

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of the setting of this movie. Yeah, it's gorgeous. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Our cinematographer for this one is a guy named Jeff Cutter.

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And Jeff has done a ton of movies, a ton

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of movies. He worked with Dan on Tin Cloverfield Lane

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and some of the TV episodes that he did. He's

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made a beautiful movie with this one, right.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

470
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Speaker 1: I told you, I'm like watching this movie and I'm thinking,

471
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,200
somebody said Last of the Mohicans meets Predator, and somebody

472
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,000
else said, that's a brilliant idea. I hear that, and

473
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,519
I'm gonna like what. But man, they nailed it.

474
00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: You know this movie was shot in Calgary, ye, and

475
00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:02,079
you really feel like that's like a character in the movie.

476
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:05,799
The mountains and the streams and the trees and all

477
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:08,079
this stuff plays a big part in what's happening.

478
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,599
Speaker 1: It is absolutely gorgeous.

479
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: I watched it on a laptop.

480
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, I watched that laptop and.

481
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are we doing here? This needs to

482
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:19,960
be on the big screen. Why did this not get

483
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,720
a big after what Maverick did?

484
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, after what Maverick.

485
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: Did at the theater, this totally they should have been like,

486
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,119
we got to get this on the big screen, people

487
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,519
will go see nostalgic movies that are good.

488
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,799
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know if there's been any push to

489
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,920
have them display this on a full Imax big screen,

490
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,599
but if they did, I'd go watch it.

491
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 2: I feel like they've got to.

492
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: Okay. So they had the actors go through four weeks

493
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,079
of weapons training for this, which is interesting because they

494
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:56,640
had the other actors and the original Predator go through

495
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,440
training as well. That's true, entirely different type of history. Right.

496
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,119
You don't have any Gatland guns with Jesse the body

497
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,799
of Entur carrying them around.

498
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: Right, Just to come in on that. Yeah, if you

499
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,799
handed me a modern gun, I can figure out how

500
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,960
to shoot it. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I can figure

501
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,319
out where the safety is. I can figure out how

502
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,480
to load it, fire it. You give me a flint lock,

503
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,480
I'm like, I don't know how to How does this.

504
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,839
Speaker 1: Thing work exactly? Okay. So they've got their script, they've

505
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,000
got their money, they've got the fast track from the studio,

506
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:33,440
they've got a producer who knows the commandchee Ways who's

507
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,720
guiding them through this process, and so they are ready

508
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:39,640
to go up to Canada to shoot the movie. They

509
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,599
shoot it in sixty three days. Yeah, it was just

510
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,680
last summer. Yeah, which to me, I'm just thinking that

511
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:50,359
seems really fast. To the actors, it was like, I

512
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,519
don't think I'm ever going to leave this place. Because

513
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:53,839
you got to keep in mind, they're out in the

514
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:57,079
wilderness every day shooting this stuff. Their day to day

515
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,279
job is going out in the cold Canada mountains and

516
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,200
shooting this stuff. And not to get into spoilers, there's

517
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,839
some scenes that are yucky. You don't want to be

518
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,200
doing what they're doing in the scene, and certainly not

519
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,599
for day after day after day.

520
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the yucky bog, but we'll

521
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:18,480
save that for.

522
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: We'll save that for spoiler time, right, Okay.

523
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: So let's compare that to Maverick for just a second.

524
00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:24,519
Speaker 1: Okay.

525
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this movie was shot in summer of twenty twenty one,

526
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,720
released in summer of twenty twenty two. Maverick was shot

527
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:32,880
twenty eighteen. This was a great movie, but this is

528
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,039
made post twenty twenty, post pandemic.

529
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: Interestingly, like The Batman, they did have to communicate with

530
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,319
Dane through his head piece, you know, on the as

531
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:44,880
the predator talking to him in his ear, same type

532
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,680
of thing. I got interesting story for that, So okay,

533
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,039
this won't spoil anything, Okay, okay. So at some point

534
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,480
they're shooting a scene and he's they've been shooting days

535
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,200
in and days out, and he said, and I noticed,

536
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:01,359
you know, I always hear the mc cannics of the

537
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,279
head piece going on. I hear the electric current going on. Yeah,

538
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,759
and he says, and then they'll say cut and then

539
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,400
the noise stops, right, And so this time I'm shooting

540
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,000
this scene and all of a sudden, the noise in

541
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,400
the head piece stops, but they haven't said cut yet,

542
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:22,079
and I'm like, huh, okay, well, I'll just keep going

543
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,440
and then eventually they you'll cut. And He's like, all

544
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,640
of a sudden, I feel like I'm getting stung, like

545
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,079
their bees in here. What's going on? And all of

546
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,559
a sudden I hear in the head piece is he

547
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:39,359
on fire? So he had it was his fault, he says,

548
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,519
my fault. He goes the way that I had thrown

549
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:43,839
the punch over and over again. I had rubbed the

550
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:46,559
wires raw, and literally my head piece can of fire

551
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,519
and I'm bolted in. Oh yeah, So they're running over

552
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:53,839
there trying to unbolt him. No significant burns occurred, but wow,

553
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,119
at one point the monster was on fire.

554
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,559
Speaker 2: The shark is not working. The predator is on fire.

555
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,279
Speaker 1: Can you imagine hearing that? Is he on fire?

556
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,279
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

557
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so they make the movie, Yep, they release it.

558
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,079
The reception is fantastic. I haven't heard anybody say negative

559
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:20,200
work worried about it.

560
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: It's it's somewhere in the nines on Rotten Tomatoes. It's

561
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,599
ninety three percent. Yeah, you know something like that.

562
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,599
Speaker 1: Without spoiling it, I can I can tell you all

563
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,000
that they went back to the original formula. They went

564
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:38,039
back to this is an action movie that becomes a

565
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:42,079
thriller horror movie. Right, it's right, it's good.

566
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,359
Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to what you originally said.

567
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: Simple story.

568
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: The original Predator was like the Dirty Dozen collides with

569
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:52,400
the movie Alien. Right, Yes, so you have this one

570
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,599
story that's happening and then all of a sudden it's

571
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,559
invaded by this alien. Yeah, it really is like dances

572
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,279
with wolves and it lides with an alien. I mean,

573
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,440
it's what an interesting idea.

574
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and here we are.

575
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: Instead of aliens versus Predator erecly On, which is total garbage,

576
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,240
but okay.

577
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: Right, okay, So they had these guys at Comic Con.

578
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,240
They showed this at Comic Con last month in July, okay,

579
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:20,960
and then they had them as a panel after the movie.

580
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:23,119
Those people got to see it on the big screen.

581
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,519
And so at some point they ask all of the

582
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,759
actors who their favorite characters were from the original Predator. Okay,

583
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,799
and so of course Amber mid Thunder says Dutch, of course,

584
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,920
and of course Dakota Beavers says Billy.

585
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: Of course.

586
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: And then Dane Dilerego says, I like the helicopter pilot.

587
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: That's great.

588
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,759
Speaker 1: And if you don't get that joke, go back and

589
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,279
check out our previous episodes on the Predator to hear

590
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:53,319
why that's funny?

591
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: Right, that's brilliant.

592
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: And then Jane Myers, the producer, said, I like the

593
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,599
guy who told dirty jokes.

594
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,799
Speaker 2: Hawkins, why'd you say that twice? I didn't. There's an

595
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,519
I count.

596
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

597
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,599
Speaker 2: Hey, let's talk real quick about the CGI. Okay, okay,

598
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,200
So first of all, right out of the gate, you

599
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,559
and I are practical effects guys. Yes, even if they

600
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:21,400
look a little hokey. We prefer practical effects to CG.

601
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,920
They did use CGI. All the animals in this movie

602
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,519
are CGI.

603
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,079
Speaker 1: Well, they did a neat thing. And I think if

604
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:32,200
you're gonna have CGI, it should be practical followed by

605
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,680
CGI followed by practical. And I think they did a

606
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:37,880
really good job of that with the animals. I think

607
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,240
there's some real animal footage in here, and there's some

608
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,759
some CGI that you can say that's CGI, but they

609
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,920
do it so quickly and they put in real footage

610
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,279
to sandwich it together that it's it's pretty well done.

611
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,720
It's not perfectly done, but it's pretty well done.

612
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,079
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, I think they did a

613
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,279
very good job. And it's it's not the entire focus

614
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:01,279
of the movie, right, right, And so the you know,

615
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:03,799
there's a wolf, and then there's a rabbit, and there's

616
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,599
a mountain lion. They all look about as good as

617
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,519
it can looked. Yeah, you know, there's a grizzly bear

618
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:12,640
and then I yeah, how can you forget the bear?

619
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:13,039
Speaker 1: Right?

620
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: And of course the predator.

621
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, now the predator.

622
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: They use the invisibility cloak and do some other stuff.

623
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: And that's fine. I mean that looks computers.

624
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,079
Speaker 2: That's great.

625
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's supposed to look computerized. It's okay, right,

626
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,000
that one is. The Predator effects are flawless. There there

627
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,559
is no point that I went, uh when I was

628
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:35,960
watching the Predator stuff. I kind of had that moment

629
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,400
with the mountain Lion, and I kind of had that

630
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,559
moment with the grizzly bear.

631
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: Right.

632
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: But definitely, as far as the whole is concerned, minor

633
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,160
minor criticisms looks good. Yeah, and but yeah, the Predator himself,

634
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,920
they kept it practical. And then the the invisibility, which

635
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,319
you expect, it looks on point.

636
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

637
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:03,799
Speaker 1: So interestingly, they had initially planned for this movie to

638
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,640
be completely in Comanche I know, right, I mean what yeah,

639
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:10,319
that and that would have been cool. I mean I

640
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:14,920
love the Passion, which was all in ancient Aramaic. I

641
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,240
mean that's hard.

642
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:19,039
Speaker 2: That did not detract from the enjoyment of that movie, right.

643
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,519
Speaker 1: I have not checked out the Comanche version yet, but

644
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:26,160
ultimately they made the decision we're gonna shoot this in English,

645
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,079
and then they toyed with an idea that they called

646
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,920
the Hunt for October. Question.

647
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so at the beginning of Hunt for October, all

648
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,880
the Russian characters speak in Russian and they get to

649
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,319
a point in the movie and then they switch to English.

650
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's.

651
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: Good for the viewer because you understand, these guys are Russian.

652
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,599
They're talking Russian to each other. I get all that.

653
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,119
They switched to English to help me, thank you very much.

654
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,759
And the producers of this movie were like, well, maybe

655
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:54,200
we could do the Hunt for October thing.

656
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, what they ultimately decided was, no, We're going

657
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,160
to film the whole thing in English except for the

658
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:03,599
French speaking parts. Did you have subtitles for the French No?

659
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:05,759
Speaker 2: Okay, so no, But I thought that was good.

660
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:09,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. I enjoyed not knowing what they were saying, because

661
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,800
it put me in the position of the character that

662
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:14,400
they wouldn't know what they were saying, Like you were

663
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,199
having to guess by the action of the movie what

664
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,800
those guys were talking about. Apparently, if you put the

665
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,920
I think if you put the English subtitles on, it

666
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,599
will translate the rich into English.

667
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:26,519
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.

668
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: I planned to watch it again and this is what

669
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,519
I was going to get to. They shot it in English,

670
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,280
but then they had all of the actors come back

671
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:43,079
and do voiceover work in Comanche, so that you can

672
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,920
watch the entire thing in the Comanche language.

673
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,199
Speaker 2: I do know a couple of things. Yeah, okay, So

674
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,599
I think that's a homage to the original Predator movie.

675
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,039
If you'll remember when Pancho is speaking Spanish to Anna

676
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:55,760
in the jungle.

677
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't.

678
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,559
Speaker 2: Get any subtitles there or any translation.

679
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: No, that's true.

680
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: He's you know, he's speaking to her aggressively, and you

681
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,000
understand that he's pumping her for information, but I don't

682
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:08,960
understand what he's saying.

683
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then he translates and basically says.

684
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 2: He says, well, she says the jungle it came alive

685
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,280
and it took him. And Carl Weathers says, that's not

686
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,440
what she said. Well, we as the audience, I'm like, well,

687
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,199
what did she say?

688
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,079
Speaker 1: Right right?

689
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: We never really get that answer.

690
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

691
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: Unless you speak Spanish, you really don't understand what she's saying.

692
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,199
So I think that that's an homage to the original Predator.

693
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,599
They're speaking French. We don't understand. We understand what's going on,

694
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:36,880
but we don't understand the words that are coming out

695
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,719
of their mouth, so to speak.

696
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: So the original idea that they had for the soundtrack

697
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,360
for this movie was much more subdued and kind of

698
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,320
ethereal than what they got they had. If you've seen Cecario,

699
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,880
yes it's they had that as an idea very minimally

700
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,280
kind of soundtrack to go along with this movie. But

701
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,000
I'm so glad that that's not what they did. They

702
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:14,079
ended up getting a composer named Sarah Satcher. Okay, she

703
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,119
is not a big time movie composer. Okay. She has

704
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,159
worked with Brian Tyler on Transformers, which is one of

705
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,320
my I have a couple of those songs on my

706
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,639
workout playlist. I love Brian Tyler's Transformer soundtrack. And she's

707
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,960
done arrangements for Iron Man three and The Expendables too

708
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,079
and now you see me. So she's got some experience

709
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:42,239
in the movie field, but where her main composing experience

710
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:47,960
is is with video games. And she has done Call

711
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,159
of Duty several of them, you know, like Modern Warfare

712
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:58,360
and Origins. And she has done the Assassin's Creed soundtrack,

713
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,840
which is I mean, it's awesome, But the music in this,

714
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:09,159
I mean it did a perfect job of taking the

715
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,800
sound of like The Last Mohicans, which is a fantastic soundtrack,

716
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:17,639
and then bringing in the style of the original Predator

717
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:21,400
by Alan Selvestri and kind of letting you, like leading

718
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,039
you in that hey, I'm about to hear it. I'm

719
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:27,760
about to hear the Silvestri music, but really just leading

720
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,599
with that last of the Mohican style of music. And

721
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,199
of course it's got her own, you know, her own

722
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,480
special SARAHS. Sachner feel to it. It is a great soundtrack.

723
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,960
I've listened to it from beginning to end. It's over

724
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,079
forty five minutes of music. I mean, that's that's an

725
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:48,559
incredible feat to accomplish in such a short amount of

726
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,880
time that she had. But it helps make this movie

727
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:59,480
as good as it is. Listen this movie, as I

728
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,320
was trying to alludes to earlier, you have got a

729
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,800
bunch of people that you would think they're gonna put

730
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,639
out a B movie because it's not any well known

731
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,119
names at all. The writer's not, the director's not, the

732
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,199
composer is not. They are all people who are working.

733
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,559
The main character in the movie, the actress is not

734
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,639
a super well known name. But they I gotta say,

735
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:27,360
they've got to be our up and comers. They from this.

736
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:30,239
I see this as the breakout for all of those

737
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,880
folks that they have big things in store for them.

738
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: Never heard of any of these people, of course, I'd

739
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,880
never heard of anybody when I went to see Star

740
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,320
Wars for the first time exactly.

741
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:41,199
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like they said, you know that Mark

742
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,559
Hamill had never seen a single Star Wars movie before

743
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:43,920
he made a.

744
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: New Hope, that's good. Can we can we can we

745
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,360
talk about Okay?

746
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,559
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, so, dear listener, we've

747
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,599
we've said this is going to be spoiler free, and

748
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:58,079
we've done our best to keep it spoiler free. But

749
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,840
right now we're going to start talking Easter eggs, and

750
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,960
we may let some spoilers slip out. World try not to,

751
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,840
but I'm going to tell you there are some things

752
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,559
that if you know it before you go and watch

753
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:10,800
the movie, you will appreciate it when it comes up

754
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,400
in the movie, starting with the gun.

755
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:18,119
Speaker 2: The gun, the gun. Okay, so you sent this to me.

756
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,039
I didn't catch it the first time I had seen

757
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,239
Predator two. But at the very end of Predator to

758
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,239
Danny Glover's character Mike, I can't remember his last name,

759
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:28,639
Mike defeats the.

760
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,079
Speaker 1: Predator on his own ship.

761
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: On his own ship. Yes, with his predator's buddies.

762
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: Hanging around, Yeah, watching in silence.

763
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: In silence, And when he defeats that predator, huh, they

764
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,719
give him a gift.

765
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Before that scene happens, as he gets on the ship,

766
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,440
this is the memorable moment where you see the skulls

767
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,599
like they've got that. He's got the collection of skulls,

768
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,119
including human skulls and also including a xenomorph the skull.

769
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,519
Speaker 2: Can xenomorph skull.

770
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: Yes, and that was mind blowing. It's not subtle at all.

771
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,800
It is not remotely subtle. So it's the predator. People

772
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,840
from Predator two were saying, yeah, Predator and alien fought

773
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,559
and Predator one and now has alien skull, which doesn't

774
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:14,599
make any sense anyway because it's a freaking exoskeleton. Well whatever.

775
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,519
Speaker 2: For the record, that's the coolest moment of all the

776
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:18,760
Alien Predator movies.

777
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: So, after he ultimately defeats the predator, other predators show

778
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,679
up and it's this little panic moment of Okay, I write,

779
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,199
you know they killed yeah, about killed myself fighting one

780
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,679
and now here's five in front of me, right yep.

781
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,760
But it turns out they're just showing up to take

782
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,719
their fallen comrade away and they acknowledge him as like

783
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,880
a worthy opponent.

784
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,159
Speaker 2: That's right. It's like they respect him, and out of respect,

785
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:52,800
one of them tosses him a pistol that has engraved.

786
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,039
Speaker 1: On it Raphael Adelini and it says seventeen fifteen on it,

787
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:01,519
seventeen fifteen, right, as a reminder, the very beginning of Prey,

788
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,239
it tells you location and date, and the date is

789
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,239
seventeen nineteen.

790
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,159
Speaker 2: Pretty close.

791
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So keep that in mind, keep that scene in

792
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,360
mind as you watch this movie, because that is absolutely

793
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,679
the biggest one that you have on this one. Okay,

794
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:23,000
So a couple of throwbacks, you know, just so that

795
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:26,639
you know from Predator one, the line if it bleeds,

796
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:27,320
we can kill it.

797
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: When they drop that, I stood up. I was like,

798
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,880
what all my.

799
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,119
Speaker 1: Slow clap, let's go right. I mean, it's this wonderful

800
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,760
moment where she's talking to him, trying to tell her

801
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,119
brother about this thing that they've never encountered before, and

802
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:45,320
she's like, I don't think that you can kill this thing.

803
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,199
Speaker 2: And he says, if it bleeds, we can kill it.

804
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:49,519
Speaker 1: Yep.

805
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: And the thing is about that line when you're watching

806
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,480
the movie, if you've never seen the original Predator movie,

807
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,519
it makes total sense. It absolutely fits the moment. It's

808
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:01,079
a great line. But if you've seen and are familiar

809
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,440
with Predator nineteen eighty seven, yep, you're like, if it bleeds,

810
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,280
we can kill it. You know. I'm like, there's that

811
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,079
line right there.

812
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: Yep. So there are a few more lines like that

813
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,280
that you need to be aware of. From Predator one,

814
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,920
do it? Do it now? Would remember that?

815
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: Now?

816
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:21,679
Speaker 1: Remember the mud from Predator one. That is a key

817
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,639
factor as well.

818
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,079
Speaker 2: Yep.

819
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: The cut chest when Billy cuts his chest, that is

820
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,639
a key scene. Sonny Lanham does that. I mean, it's

821
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:32,960
a very memorable I'm about to go sacrimffice myself fighting

822
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,039
this guy if I have to, and he cuts his

823
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,519
chest and that is a key moment in this movie

824
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:41,159
as well. Yes, which as we know, I mean, it

825
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,800
was the inspiration for the story crazy back when Dan

826
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,239
Trackenberg was a little kid.

827
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:46,679
Speaker 2: Right.

828
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:51,679
Speaker 1: And then finally, finally Bill Duke can't get left out

829
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,679
right And it's not a line, it's a sh it's

830
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,960
there too, baby, And they do. They do a great

831
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,840
job plugging those every single one of those things in

832
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,559
They had to ask the question over and over like

833
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:06,880
how much do we want to do?

834
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 2: Sure?

835
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: And Dan Trackenberg said we even considered having a horse

836
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:15,159
named Chopper. Great, but he was like, that would have

837
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,119
been too far. That would have been pushing it too far.

838
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's one other thing. I think there's

839
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,960
some other things that they do. There's a moment where

840
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,159
she picks up a cigar that one of the trappers

841
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:28,880
has smoked, and I think that might be an homage

842
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,119
to Dutch maybe yep.

843
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: And this one, the predator is wearing a different face mask.

844
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,159
It is not the metal mask that you've seen in

845
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:43,159
the other movies. It is a more like a bone mask.

846
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,880
I saw somebody I think it was on IMDb referred

847
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,159
to it as the river ghosts from Predators.

848
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: Comes from one of the animals and Predators.

849
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: When I looked at that, I don't see the similarity.

850
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,639
I don't know if I agree with them on that one. Okay,

851
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,000
but it's got it. It is definitely more bony. It

852
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:05,760
almost looks like a tortoise shell, except oblong. But despite

853
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,760
the fact that it is more primitive looking, it still

854
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,159
has the technology. You still have the lasers.

855
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,199
Speaker 2: Yes, he doesn't have the little the shoulder cannon right

856
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,440
that he has. But they does you know the three

857
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,880
red dots, you know, which is interesting because in nineteen

858
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,800
eighty seven those guys understand what lasers are and how

859
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,320
you know those are you know, aiming devices, and when

860
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,800
when the commanding people and first come into contact with it,

861
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,880
they're like, what is this weird red dot on her

862
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:38,400
chest here?

863
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:38,599
Speaker 1: Right?

864
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:40,159
Speaker 2: They have no idea what it is?

865
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: Absolute mystery.

866
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, so okay.

867
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,679
Speaker 1: And then I mentioned the mudpit. There is a key

868
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,239
scene which she's in the mudpit and if you see it,

869
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,639
being a predator fan, you're like, Okay, I know what

870
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:56,800
this is going to come up later. Well, it does

871
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,960
come up later, but they they maneuver it very well

872
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,239
to where you're surprised with how it gets it ends

873
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,480
up getting used. And she said that was the worst

874
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,079
part of filming because that mud pit, the Pete Moss

875
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:16,960
mud pit, smelled horrible. Apparently, however, it did not smell

876
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,000
bad until humans got in it, so it was actually

877
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,360
something in the human skin that made it smell bad.

878
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:30,360
But Dane de Leegros was like, okay, imagine raw human

879
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,440
sewage multiplied by ten and then you have a fraction

880
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:35,159
of how bad.

881
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:36,639
Speaker 2: That stuff smelled wow.

882
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:40,119
Speaker 1: So she had to do that, I mean for several yeah,

883
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,960
several days of filming to get that, and she's in

884
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,079
it up to her ears.

885
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,559
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, that scene where she's got

886
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:50,920
that tomahawk, she's got a tomahawk at and she's got

887
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,199
it roped to her wrist and she is like sinking

888
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,400
in quicksand which you know, as the seventies kid, we

889
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,360
were always worried about that.

890
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tray you and the never ending story.

891
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,079
Speaker 2: That's exactly. And she is going down and she realizes

892
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:04,920
I'm in trouble.

893
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So let me ask you this. Anything you you

894
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,320
love the movie? Correct?

895
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:08,599
Speaker 2: Yes?

896
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: I did? Okay, anything that you didn't like about the movie?

897
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: No, I got no problems with it, no complaints, no complaints.

898
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,559
I think the CGI could have been a little bit better. No,

899
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,360
I got no complaints. I thought it was excellent.

900
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

901
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: I think it was like Maverick. I mean, what am

902
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,480
I going to complain about on Maverick? It it wasn't

903
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,000
Top Gun. Well, I mean, crap, it was.

904
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: It was great right well, And I still think that

905
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,800
that Maverick was better than Top Gun. And I think

906
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,199
that we've had kind of a resounding. A whole lot

907
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,480
of people are on my same page. When that one,

908
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,199
I realized, you can't get past the nostalgia. But I'm

909
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,480
very nostalgic, right, But I agree with you. I think

910
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:48,360
that there were there were moments where the CGI took

911
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,280
me out of the moment because it was like, that

912
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,000
doesn't look like a real lion right now. But they

913
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:57,000
were so small and so it happened so fast that

914
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:59,840
it didn't have time to mess the movie up for me.

915
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,719
And then, as I said, Amber mid Thunder as an

916
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,280
actor is so good that when she's in a scene

917
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,320
with other actors, I couldn't help but think they're really

918
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,679
not up to her level. They're not bad actors, they're

919
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,000
just not sell on the scene as much as she was. Yeah,

920
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:20,840
but overall, those those are minor, minor, minor, minor criticisms.

921
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,440
This is a fantastic movie. And I'll present you with

922
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,639
the question, just like I did with Top Gun, Maverick,

923
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:31,000
are you picking this movie or are you picking Original Predator?

924
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is an easy call for me because

925
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,000
I am so nostalgic. It's going to take a lot

926
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:40,920
to you know, dissuade me from Arnold's bulging biceps. So

927
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:43,519
I am going with the nineteen eighty seven version as

928
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,599
the first overall Predator. I do love that movie so much,

929
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,639
but this was really really good and it's a close second.

930
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,159
It far far better. It's far better than Predator two,

931
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,519
or In the Predator or Predators any of those other ones.

932
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,159
Predator two has some moments that are pretty good, but

933
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,960
it is not even close to this one. So this

934
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:06,360
is clearly the second best out of all those movies. Yeah.

935
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,159
Speaker 1: Well, as you can expect. Since I didn't pick Predator

936
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:12,920
in our previous matchup and I'm obviously gushing over this movie,

937
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,920
I definitely picked this one over the area. I think

938
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,280
this is a far better movie. I enjoyed watching Predator.

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It's fun, it's popcorn. This movie had me more engaged,

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more concerned for the characters. I thought it was much

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more beautiful. I mean, it's just gorgeous. All of the

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cinematography and the acting is on point. The guys in

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Predator were good actors. This young actress in this movie

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is a She's great. She is great.

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Speaker 2: She did a great job. Yeah, interesting love it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, fans tell us your opinion, pray or predator.

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Speaker 2: Hey, check us out on Patreon. We've got a cool

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Patreon page. We've got bonus episodes over there. We've got

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uh we're gonna ready to record our fourth third Patreon.

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We're getting ready to record our third Patreon episode today.

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It's one hit Wonders of the eighties and nineties and

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it's really cool. Today we're doing Nothing Compares to You

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by shenand O'Connor, which is a fantastic song.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, thanks so much, look forward to seeing you

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next week.

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Speaker 2: Bye, guys. Starting with the gun, the gun, the gun, okay,

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and out of respect, one of them tosses him a

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pistol that has engraved on it. Now we can't tell

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him what happens, can't discuss it.

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Speaker 1: Do you really want to discuss it?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, then go ahead?

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Speaker 2: Well okay, I mean obviously if you know that going

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in amber min thunder Nahu, she has to arm herself

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and the guy has to teach her how to use

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this flintlock pistol, and that is the exact same pistol

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that the Predator gives to Danny Glover's character and Predator

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to right.

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Speaker 1: The question is, okay, wait a minute. If she has

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the gun, right, how do the predators get the gun? Well, okay,

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I told you. You watch the end credits and there's

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an animation that's going on, and the animation is like

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a kind of Native American style cartoon type of thing,

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stick figures reenacting the entire movie from beginning to end

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right seen by scene, a storyboard of the movie. And

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then you get to the end and unlike the end

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of the movie, there's a little bit more. And the

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little bit more is three spaceships show up in the sky.

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So I think that this doesn't mean that the you know,

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the predators come to wipe out the try. I think

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it's going to be the same. It's the same as

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Predator too. They show up and take their fallen comrade away.

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They acknowledge her as a worthy opponent, and maybe she

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decides at that point to hand the flintlock pistol to

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We'll go with the predators. I think that's got to be.

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So then the other question, of course, is if I'm right,

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if they determine that she's a worthy opponent, and we

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know that Danny Glover got a gift for his worthiness. Yes,

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what gift did she get?

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Speaker 2: What did she get?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a great that that may be

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the thing that leads us into our you know, next

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installment in the series, which this movie resurrects in my opinion, Okay,

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that's really cool.