Speaker 1: Lily Craven my guest for the evening. You know exactly
Speaker 1: where you can find her at Lily Craven. Links to
Speaker 1: all of our social media are in the episode description.
Speaker 1: Make sure you support the creators that come on this show,
Speaker 1: otherwise they stop coming on the show. Lily, it's a
Speaker 1: real pleasure to have you on tonight. Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. We had some fun discussion off camera. But
Speaker 1: let me start with let me start with the basic,
Speaker 1: boring question, just so I can kind of establish a
Speaker 1: baseline of your career. How did you initially get into
Speaker 1: the adult entertainment industry in whatever form it was, whether
Speaker 1: it was dancing first, you went right into shooting porn,
Speaker 1: you did camming, you were swinging. What is your entrance
Speaker 1: from a vanilla life into this industry?
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a good one. You know, most of
Speaker 2: us have a quite fascinating story on how we got
Speaker 2: into it. But I started off selling out of my
Speaker 2: Facebook inbox, and I have I still run a group.
Speaker 2: It's called camp Morning Wood and it's our way. We
Speaker 2: only use camping lingo and you can buy content from
Speaker 2: the counselors in the inbox. So I did that, and
Speaker 2: then I caught a bam for three months and I
Speaker 2: freaked out. I was like, oh my god, you know,
Speaker 2: what do I do? What do I do? And I
Speaker 2: had a friend, Thank you, tyson. My friend said, have
Speaker 2: you ever heard of chatterbait? And I was like no.
Speaker 2: He's like, it's webcam modeling. I'm like, no, I've never
Speaker 2: heard of it. So he was like, here, let me
Speaker 2: show you. And I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: could do that. So I started on chatter bait and
Speaker 2: I didn't say why. So anyways, the reason I got
Speaker 2: into all this was because I had a cheating next
Speaker 2: husband and I wanted revenge. So I ended up, you know,
Speaker 2: packing my shit up, going to Hollywood for the Why
Speaker 2: Not Summit and I sat in the smoking section where
Speaker 2: everyone sits and they're smoking something or another, and I
Speaker 2: started chatting and I met like Will Ryder and Katie
Speaker 2: Morgan and Evan Stone and they were all out there,
Speaker 2: and that's how I got my foot in the door.
Speaker 1: So personal, keep anything personal you'd like to keep personal.
Speaker 1: But I got to dig into this a little bit. No,
Speaker 1: please go ahead. It was was it a one time
Speaker 1: cheating event, was it a continuous thing? Was it a
Speaker 1: cold Play concert where he got caught with his HR person.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen that news story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh i've seen it. No, did you know? Not
Speaker 2: off topic?
Speaker 3: By the way, you can get off topic all you want,
Speaker 3: please do. So what happened with that story with the CEO?
Speaker 3: It was cold Play that was contacted by the wife
Speaker 3: that she found out that they were going to be there.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, there's a whole other layer to it.
Speaker 2: Yes, so they said, yeah, the wife set it up. Wow,
Speaker 2: So people are hating on Coldplay, but they're like after
Speaker 2: she described everything and said they had been married for
Speaker 2: twenty five thirty years and that they know this is
Speaker 2: going she knows this is going on, and that they're
Speaker 2: supposed to be at the concert, and so that was
Speaker 2: like set up deliberately.
Speaker 1: Did you see his wife too? She was gorgeous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: total not you. No, there was an old Bill Maher joke.
Speaker 1: There's an old Bill Moore joke and apologies it's a
Speaker 1: little crass, but it was something about it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what kind of pussy you're getting. It's not as good
Speaker 1: as new pussy, is what he always used to say.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, I've been in a committed, non
Speaker 1: cheating relationship for about nineteen years. I think it is
Speaker 1: for you. I think I said a lesser number last time,
Speaker 1: and my wife was like, hey, fuck, oh you need
Speaker 1: to buddy. Yeah, when were you into this thing? But
Speaker 1: it's like, uh no, I just I personally go like,
Speaker 1: there's too much risk, get in trouble, and I like
Speaker 1: my wife, you know, yeah, So can I ask you?
Speaker 1: And this is this is you know?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: Your situation was it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you think? I don't know if you know the
Speaker 1: details on his side of it, but your situation was
Speaker 1: it just you had been together a long time? Was
Speaker 1: it something fell out of the marriage a little bit? Again?
Speaker 2: We were totally just I think we were two years
Speaker 2: into it and I was so into him. He was
Speaker 2: like my everything. He was such a good husband. Like
Speaker 2: I was absolutely blindsided. And then some woman contacts me
Speaker 2: and said that they had been engaged for a year
Speaker 2: and they had an apartment together and that they it
Speaker 2: just goes on and on. Wow, Like it wasn't just her,
Speaker 2: There was many many but I found out all at once.
Speaker 2: So it was a pretty good sting, especially when I
Speaker 2: thought he was gold and so I don't know it
Speaker 2: was a difficult but a beautiful one in the end,
Speaker 2: because I would have never ever in my life thought
Speaker 2: I would be involved in this industry. And when I
Speaker 2: did get involved, it's like I belonged, Like I hadn't
Speaker 2: really worked a job, I had no career. It put
Speaker 2: me through school. I put myself through school. I I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just everybody welcomed me, and my fans
Speaker 2: just boosted me up and told me I mattered to them,
Speaker 2: and it was really just a positive all the way around.
Speaker 2: It's been It's been a great ride. And I like
Speaker 2: being too. I like being Lily, like that's fun to be.
Speaker 2: And I also like looking at people and going I
Speaker 2: don't care, like because Lily doesn't care, shouldn't give a shit,
Speaker 2: and I'm much more reserved, very much so. So it's
Speaker 2: been fun to play the character, play the part.
Speaker 1: You may eventually start to live the part.
Speaker 2: It seems like, you know, I don't know if i'd
Speaker 2: lived her life. She's pretty wild. But but it is fun.
Speaker 2: It's a fun thing to do it definitely, you know,
Speaker 2: the entrepreneurship of it, the self employment, just it's a constant.
Speaker 2: It's very strategic. It's like a game of chess. I
Speaker 2: always say, you've got to really plan things out. There's
Speaker 2: never really a sure way to do things. So it
Speaker 2: takes a lot of planning and thinking and teamwork and
Speaker 2: it's it's just a It occupies a lot of my
Speaker 2: time in a good way.
Speaker 1: I always asked this question, and it's half a joke,
Speaker 1: but did you realize that coming into the porn industry
Speaker 1: would be about five percent having sex and the rest
Speaker 1: of it was social media?
Speaker 2: You know? Blah, So a little secret about me. So
Speaker 2: I was like really really reserved on the sex part
Speaker 2: because I was just like, oh my god, I have
Speaker 2: to do I'm going to have to give a blowjob,
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna I'm going to have to do what?
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I didn't keep the huzz but anyways,
Speaker 2: so so basically I had to tell myself, am I
Speaker 2: okay with doing this? So then I found a way
Speaker 2: around doing Really the sex stuff was because you know,
Speaker 2: playing the Mommy, it's a lot of dialogue. My fans
Speaker 2: like to jack off to the whole storyline. They are
Speaker 2: not into pop shots and all that stuff. Because I
Speaker 2: am a major comophobe. I learned that too, so I
Speaker 2: don't really need loads anywhere that I yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 2: we sticked a cream pine on the face. You can't
Speaker 2: see it, you know, that sort of stuff. But I
Speaker 2: definitely I have a list of what I won't do
Speaker 2: when I started, which was pretty pretty much. It was
Speaker 2: easier to say what I would do, and I have
Speaker 2: gotten away with a lot or not necessarily having to
Speaker 2: do so much, boy girl, because I talked to my
Speaker 2: fans right there.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I want to come back to your list
Speaker 1: because I have a thing like, yeah, but I have
Speaker 1: to say this. I am a I am a I'm
Speaker 1: a pop shot fetishist. Like that's what I Oh, many
Speaker 1: are sure? Sure? Sure? You know you bring up a
Speaker 1: new scene, you fast forward right to the end.
Speaker 2: What I don't have an end? What? Uh?
Speaker 1: What is it that grosses you out? Is it the
Speaker 1: smell the texture that tastes.
Speaker 2: The Okay, so get this, I can't smell. So it's
Speaker 2: not that the taste. I've never tasted it that. It's
Speaker 2: just it's psychological. There's no reason behind why. I'm like totally,
Speaker 2: I'm just afraid of it. Like I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I don't mind if it's someone i'm with. I think
Speaker 2: it's more the rando cumshots, like like if you shoot,
Speaker 2: you could shoot it on my am. I stuff just
Speaker 2: I just don't like sit there and stare at it.
Speaker 2: But but if the thought of it going near my
Speaker 2: mouth is just horrible to me. But you know, I've
Speaker 2: learned I could take it on the face, which means
Speaker 2: I can handle it, so it's not the texture.
Speaker 1: Then give me a second. Let me cross off all
Speaker 1: of my bukkake questions. That's going to eliminate about twenty
Speaker 1: minutes of our conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have a friend who does bukkaki. Shea at
Speaker 2: that book. I was in the room one time and
Speaker 2: I smelt that there were so many Uh you said
Speaker 2: you said something earlier about meeting people at like the
Speaker 2: Why Not Show, and.
Speaker 1: I, as a total idiot from the outside, just ignorant
Speaker 1: to it. Right, I would look at it and I
Speaker 1: would assume from all the stigma I've heard all of
Speaker 1: the years about women, I would go, this must be
Speaker 1: the caddiest, nastiest business where people don't help each other
Speaker 1: and they're fighting to climb to the top. It's the
Speaker 1: polar opposite, isn't it. Well, from what I've seen, at least, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: We definitely have a stigma, but that stigma is a
Speaker 2: good like in my opinion, it makes us more valuable.
Speaker 2: It makes us dirtier, naughtier, like we leave that to
Speaker 2: the fans to make us out to be, you know,
Speaker 2: much more than we are. They also think that we are,
Speaker 2: like at these we're just fucking all the time, and
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm the only one I don't know. I know,
Speaker 2: there's quite a few of us that don't even have sex.
Speaker 2: We consider it more performing, but we don't even have
Speaker 2: personal sex in ten years, so that's where it's kind
Speaker 2: of funny about that. But yeah, we are so like
Speaker 2: we team up a lot. There's girls like Garcy Dean
Speaker 2: and Piper breass and and Kaylani Kai and there's pre
Speaker 2: or Rye. Like we always get together, Amy Quinn. We
Speaker 2: are always conferring, putting our brains together, figuring things out,
Speaker 2: teaming up. Especially at the exoticas we get to intermingle
Speaker 2: with our fans. We spend the whole weekend with them.
Speaker 2: They know us like they know us like personally because
Speaker 2: you know, we're at the expo. But then there's all
Speaker 2: the after parties they come with that you know to us,
Speaker 2: with us, we are not separated from them. We definitely interact.
Speaker 2: So it's that is like the ultimate because without our fans,
Speaker 2: we're not we don't exist. So yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I've been to Exotica probably the last like four years
Speaker 1: in Jersey, ever since I started doing this show, and
Speaker 1: I love that one. Yeah, I do too. But this
Speaker 1: last year though, man, it has really exploded in popular
Speaker 1: I couldn't miss last time, you know, two years ago,
Speaker 1: totally fine, I could not move last year. It was
Speaker 1: crazy how tight everything was, how fucking hot. I wasn't there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you do? So you do convention? Were you at
Speaker 1: that one? Did I miss you?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? I had a booth there with Skyhawk after
Speaker 2: dark we did our booth. We had about fifteen girls
Speaker 2: in our We were right in the front.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I probably squeezed by you guys about six times.
Speaker 2: A yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: What is a what is etiquette for you at one
Speaker 1: of these conventions? Because again I always am real nice
Speaker 1: and I you know, last year I met a couple
Speaker 1: people that I had interviewed and I you know, introduced
Speaker 1: myself and totally respectful professional. I'm in the professional version
Speaker 1: of this industry, right, yeah. But then one girl, it's
Speaker 1: this girl Cat who I interviewed, total sweetheart Cat, no
Speaker 1: cat Karma or gasling, which, yeah, oh do you know her?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard, Yeah, she's she's just one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: She came on the show very early on and just
Speaker 1: I love her. She's a sweetheart. Whatever. But the next
Speaker 1: guy in line, after, you know, I walk up with
Speaker 1: my wife, I go Cat and her husband at the time, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we're leaving. It was really nice to meet
Speaker 1: you and you can get that cordial Oh okay, bye.
Speaker 1: Next dude that walks up just comes and just grabs
Speaker 1: her ass like it was alans bottle of water in
Speaker 1: fucking Sudan or something, and.
Speaker 2: It was it's really hard to get water there.
Speaker 1: What is like proper etiquette for you at these things,
Speaker 1: and what is something you could say right now to
Speaker 1: men listening to this, Hey, don't do this.
Speaker 2: If you're there, well, don't just stick your finger in
Speaker 2: me or leave marks. I would say, basically like just
Speaker 2: act right. They know what's right and wrong, you know
Speaker 2: some of them, some of them do things, But I
Speaker 2: don't encounter that too often. It's a good crowd. I
Speaker 2: would have to say overall, I have maybe heard of
Speaker 2: that once or twice, like and otherwise they wait for
Speaker 2: the performer to invite them to do that, you know,
Speaker 2: but we don't really get grabbed at, not too often. Sure,
Speaker 2: we've got great security. It's the same security that travels
Speaker 2: everywhere with us. So they really just have a tight
Speaker 2: rain and it's it's just good people like our fans
Speaker 2: are not barbaric animals or now online they can be
Speaker 2: a little bit mouthfier, sure, but they in general, I
Speaker 2: don't have any I haven't seen any issues. None of
Speaker 2: our girls have had issues in our booths each time,
Speaker 2: so it's not really a concern.
Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, that's good to hear. You went well. Again,
Speaker 1: from my outside perspective, if I wasn't involved, I would
Speaker 1: be you would think we would. Yeah, I bet it's
Speaker 1: a shit show there. I bet everyone's crazy blah blah.
Speaker 2: No, yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty respect It was just too packed, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I get a lot of that, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you must run into some crazy people, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: they're actually really good, genuine people, you know, more introverted.
Speaker 2: Quite often, I don't see them as weird at all.
Speaker 2: I don't rarely do I ever say this is a
Speaker 2: weird one, like, very rarely, very.
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of weird dudes when I went,
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not a performer, so.
Speaker 2: They wait visually visually weird or well.
Speaker 1: I try not to judge people just on their visuals.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, they were weirdo looking people and they
Speaker 1: creep me out a little bit. But if they're nice
Speaker 1: and respectful, whatever are they're.
Speaker 2: Looking at the eh, they like, you're making me on.
Speaker 2: I'm not a performer.
Speaker 1: It's that women were looking at me and vomiting. Actually,
Speaker 1: it was very sick.
Speaker 2: To do that.
Speaker 1: I know, I break all the rules.
Speaker 2: Do you like vomit? No? No, no, I know someone
Speaker 2: that loves it.
Speaker 1: I just it's just not there girls to.
Speaker 2: Vomit on each other and in each other's mouth, And
Speaker 2: I'm yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's a realm. There's certain bodily fluid realms, which
Speaker 1: is maybe why I have an understanding of your com phobia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it's from. At least you
Speaker 2: understand it.
Speaker 1: There's certain Yeah, I don't know either, honestly, as I
Speaker 1: as I think about it. I don't know where it
Speaker 1: all comes from. I know, like I like all girls
Speaker 1: and gothy girls, and my wife is very pale skin,
Speaker 1: dark hair because I grew up at a time when
Speaker 1: it was like the Blink one eighty two, Avril Levine,
Speaker 1: pop punk type of stuff. So that's my fetish.
Speaker 2: But they're hot. Yeah, I do like that too.
Speaker 1: So there's something about them too. It looks like they
Speaker 1: break rules and I like, yeah, and I like it.
Speaker 1: But they're quiet, they are que that's nice to it.
Speaker 2: They're secretive in a way like they're just they're mysterious.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, very mysterious and fun. And yeah it's.
Speaker 2: Just plain like pretty, like like if I put that
Speaker 2: on my feet and all that, I look like a clown.
Speaker 1: No you look.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I've tried it. Now we'll we'll leave it
Speaker 2: at that. I've tried it fair enough. Not a good idea.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, I'm like, no, we're not going to
Speaker 2: do that again.
Speaker 1: All right. Let me ask you this. You have a
Speaker 1: tattoo on your chest. Maybe love it, hate it? Old tattoo?
Speaker 1: Want to keep it around? It's sentimental. Any idea on
Speaker 1: removing it, any idea brightening it? Up. What are we?
Speaker 1: How do we feel about that?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I've had many I went through the phase
Speaker 2: of all the tattoos, the para scenes I have had,
Speaker 2: Like my arm removed, the lazered off.
Speaker 1: You can kind of see a green green but it looks.
Speaker 2: They couldn't lift it back then, like I see it
Speaker 2: barely right there.
Speaker 1: If you told me I couldn't, I was literally My
Speaker 1: next question was is that the only tattoo you've ever gotten?
Speaker 1: And what kind of decision was that? So that is
Speaker 1: go ahead? Yeah? Sorry?
Speaker 2: Okay, so this one was removed and then I had
Speaker 2: a tummy tuck so so that was cut off, thank god.
Speaker 2: And then this one is just this is a cover
Speaker 2: up from probably thirty plus years ago. It's faded for
Speaker 2: some reason. People like it. I don't know why. It's
Speaker 2: just three roses that fit the letters on the cursive
Speaker 2: and that's how it was, and that's all it is.
Speaker 2: It's nothing more than that. And I don't want to go,
Speaker 2: you know, burn off my tit and I don't want
Speaker 2: to put I don't want another tattoo.
Speaker 1: So are you so you're done with tattoos?
Speaker 2: Then? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm over it? Like that
Speaker 2: was a phase. So I'm done with that. And then
Speaker 2: of course the piercings. You know, sometimes if you go
Speaker 2: to the pokey one time, they'll tell you to take
Speaker 2: them out and then they close up. So that was
Speaker 2: many many moons ago, and so I was like, huh,
Speaker 2: just kept him out.
Speaker 1: My wife. My wife took her nipple piercings out. And
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where at first she got
Speaker 1: it done without telling me, which is almost like not
Speaker 1: that she has to, but it's like, you know, we're together,
Speaker 1: and let me know that you're gonna go get this done.
Speaker 1: Then I fall in love with it. Then she takes
Speaker 1: amount and it close up and I miss them. Now
Speaker 1: we're gonna start trying to have kids in a couple
Speaker 1: of years, so he doesn't want to get yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, in this weird cross pattern. I like
Speaker 1: your tattoo. I think your tttoo is very nice. It's
Speaker 1: really unique too. Yeah, just in terms of just in
Speaker 1: terms of it creates an aesthetic for you where you're
Speaker 1: this gorgeous like statuesque curves. Oh, and then you have
Speaker 1: this nice print here and it's like ooh, a little
Speaker 1: bit of it.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a signature. I'd never intended it
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, let me let's let's circle back
Speaker 1: to what we were saying before about your no list.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely not well not okay, first, let me start
Speaker 1: this way. Is there something you wish? All right, the
Speaker 1: last like ten fifteen years, we've seen this big step mom,
Speaker 1: step whatever.
Speaker 2: Step Oh, I'm not a stepper. That's just fucking your
Speaker 2: dad's wife. Yeah, that's not the same. That doesn't have
Speaker 2: the same level of perversion as as not at all.
Speaker 2: So it's a different audience completely.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's there's two different types of
Speaker 1: mental illness. There no one of them illegal.
Speaker 2: Wait no, no, no, hold on, hold on okay, So
Speaker 2: this is what a big, big, huge misconception. By no
Speaker 2: means do we when we do this kind of role play?
Speaker 2: Are we thinking of our biological parents or our biological
Speaker 2: children or siblings? Like that? Does it? That's so gross?
Speaker 2: Like you're like, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 2: don't want to fuck my sister. Like my sister she's
Speaker 2: like like I don't want to do that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, I don't want to fuck my dad.
Speaker 2: I don't want to fuck you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like that's just the way it is. It is. It's
Speaker 2: a it's explaining a role of So say you have
Speaker 2: like a mistress where she punishes. She wears the black
Speaker 2: you know, the latex, she'll whip you, she'll make it
Speaker 2: clean stuff, lick stuff up, or do whatever, and you
Speaker 2: get punished. Now, a mommy is someone who is dominant,
Speaker 2: she's a milk. She's experienced. But the next thing is
Speaker 2: she's nurturing. So that's how you divide it between. It
Speaker 2: has absolutely nothing to do with incest at all. Like
Speaker 2: it it's so far fetched that someone would say that
Speaker 2: because we do, say daddy without a problem. Nobody wants
Speaker 2: to fuck their biological I mean there's always that one,
Speaker 2: but nobody is intending on fucking when they say, oh
Speaker 2: that's my daddy, you know, they're not like thinking, oh
Speaker 2: my bio dad, I want to go and like boneum,
Speaker 2: Like that's so far fetched. And it's the same thing
Speaker 2: with mommy. It has no underlying like it just is
Speaker 2: not that's not what it is. So a mommy will
Speaker 2: teach you, oh, son, you're doing that so wrong, Like
Speaker 2: let my mommy show you, because moms we show them
Speaker 2: how to do things right. So basically it's an older
Speaker 2: woman experienced women with a younger and that's that's where
Speaker 2: the role comes in. It has nothing, please, nothing ever
Speaker 2: to do with incest.
Speaker 1: So that's so far out of the box. I've done
Speaker 1: probably one hundred and fifty of these episodes so far.
Speaker 1: I have never had somebody break it down. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: sinctly like that, like it's a soft dom thing then
Speaker 1: is what it feels.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's very dominant, and it's it's a lot of
Speaker 2: dialogue and and yes, we hit that level of perversion
Speaker 2: like you you know, just saying like, oh, your penis
Speaker 2: was made inside of me, so it belongs there. Like
Speaker 2: that's a that's such a level of perversion. But it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not at all an incest thing. It's just being
Speaker 2: perverted to the extreme and the more perverse. If you
Speaker 2: are the it's just so much fun. It's so much fun.
Speaker 2: But if I'm being a step mom, like I'm just
Speaker 2: a slut, you know what I mean, Like like there's
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with the sluts, like I don't like but
Speaker 2: but I'm the one where you you innocently start fucking him,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? You innocent like or you
Speaker 2: or mom is the aggressor and she's really just like
Speaker 2: he's really a fine young man, and mom wants to
Speaker 2: get pregnant and her husband, his dad's not going to
Speaker 2: do it, so why not? You got a good one, right?
Speaker 2: You know, that's sort of a hundred dialogue.
Speaker 1: I always say, as long as there's no dogs or
Speaker 1: kids in the room, I don't give a shit what
Speaker 1: your kink is. You do you whatever it is, as
Speaker 1: long as it's legal, that's very legal. It's just well
Speaker 1: we talked about gross things earlier, like vomit or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe it's not so much the actual vomit
Speaker 1: or this and that. It's just they need the level
Speaker 1: of taboo so much yper than anything is present here,
Speaker 1: and you go, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: A way to escape from Like I've had er doctors
Speaker 2: and stuff like that tell me that they they see
Speaker 2: such extreme and then if they could step away. That's
Speaker 2: where there's so many medical people are freaks, but I
Speaker 2: love you all have fun with them. But anyways, so
Speaker 2: when they do that, like it's something more extreme than
Speaker 2: what they're dealing with. So that's where they get into
Speaker 2: a lot of those the extreme kinks and converse, you know,
Speaker 2: like yeah, you know, orgies and swinging and all that
Speaker 2: stuff is just something that can step them out of
Speaker 2: where they're their mindset is usually at you know, No,
Speaker 2: that's about That's not what it is.
Speaker 1: That's again very succinct, and I've never really heard it
Speaker 1: broken down that way, and it makes total sense. I
Speaker 1: took years to a decade and a half have probably
Speaker 1: to introduce dirty talking to my wife. Right, Oh, it's great,
Speaker 1: Oh it's and and I totally understand her shyness and
Speaker 1: whatever else weird at first, totally yes. But what you
Speaker 1: have to establish for me at least, was I go.
Speaker 1: Because we're both very cynical. We laugh a lot, we
Speaker 1: both bust each other, you do. But I have said
Speaker 1: anything that takes place in this room, you know, while
Speaker 1: we're doing this, I will not judge you, for I
Speaker 1: will not make fun of you, for I will not whatever.
Speaker 1: I want you to just try, just try and like
Speaker 1: talk sexy and do this and that and whatever. And man,
Speaker 1: it has taken you. There's so much so hot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and she doesn't mind it either, she likes it too.
Speaker 1: What you I think with any of these fetishes or
Speaker 1: taboos or anything like that. Now, look, don't go to
Speaker 1: your wife and be like, you know, I want you
Speaker 1: to pretend to be my mom without letting her know
Speaker 1: the context of it, Like I want you to be
Speaker 1: my mom. It's gonna come off strange. You need to
Speaker 1: expense to start.
Speaker 2: Whispering like little things in her ears and be like,
Speaker 2: who's your mom? Oh, you're my mommy, or just something
Speaker 2: like once in a while in the moment would be.
Speaker 2: I know, men are the best teachers of dirty talk
Speaker 2: because what we think a man wants to hear is
Speaker 2: so far off. So I started learning to dirty talk
Speaker 2: by asking my fans, what's your trigger words? What one
Speaker 2: liners do you have that you know, because you men
Speaker 2: tell themselves like you know, giving up horsey, you know,
Speaker 2: like they say all kinds of stuff to their dicks,
Speaker 2: so they need to hear that. They're very very audio driven,
Speaker 2: very and visually. So if you just ask them, I
Speaker 2: started just like taking note of these one liners like, oh,
Speaker 2: jerk me a huge rope, but come like, woman, I
Speaker 2: would never think of that, what is a rope of? Like?
Speaker 2: But anyways, so I just start learning, come on, jerk me,
Speaker 2: that huge rope would come and then they would just
Speaker 2: do it. I'm like, damn or like you know now
Speaker 2: you me, you know, just like stuff that they the
Speaker 2: best teacher is a man, So yeah, you need to
Speaker 2: be teaching your wives. They just don't know what you
Speaker 2: want to hear. Yes, yes, that's a lot of it is.
Speaker 1: The part of my concern was like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: want to directly tell you a word for word what
Speaker 1: you want to hear, because then you'll never sleep with
Speaker 1: me again to my wife, So let's just casually throw
Speaker 1: it really would I mean, look again, tell me.
Speaker 2: Something you'd really want to hear that you would not
Speaker 2: tell her? Oh, come on, give me one. You got one.
Speaker 2: You can't throw that out there and not say something.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not anything crazy or.
Speaker 2: Great, No, but it's somewhat silly, probably.
Speaker 1: Not even okay, look so it seems like it would
Speaker 1: be a basic. But we talked earlier. I have kind
Speaker 1: of a thing, I like a popshot type thing. I
Speaker 1: like whatever, so I like hearing, well, look, I look's
Speaker 1: going to and say it, but just just yeah, anything
Speaker 1: like come on my face, cume on my mouth, even
Speaker 1: if they don't have to. If she you know, I'll
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'll finish on your stomach. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Just talk to me like we're doing something else or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like she's like, you're gonna shoot this huge rocket
Speaker 2: because because after I love their.
Speaker 1: Come Yeah, after I finished? What am I doing? It's
Speaker 1: not like I need to be hyped up anymore?
Speaker 2: No, you guys run afterwards. That is one of the
Speaker 2: biggest things I have read, which just it was a
Speaker 2: surprise that when even you're on webcam and you're webcamming
Speaker 2: and the guy nuts click like he's done. It's almost
Speaker 2: like he comes to like a reality of oh my god,
Speaker 2: what am I doing? He just hangs up. They don't
Speaker 2: even say bye. And I was like, why would I
Speaker 2: do wrong? And then someone had told me, oh no,
Speaker 2: this happens all the time, So now I know the
Speaker 2: second thing that they're out, that's it, and it's not
Speaker 2: I'm like, is it saving money? No, he still had
Speaker 2: so many minutes left. No, they're just.
Speaker 1: Done, like it's a it's okay, it's calm clarity.
Speaker 2: I guess it's called or something like weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, you know what my I I do not
Speaker 1: do the same thing like run away because she's my
Speaker 1: wife obviously, but I'm not like snugly and hold it
Speaker 1: for an hour.
Speaker 2: No, we don't want that either.
Speaker 1: I need a little Yeah, she wishes I would be
Speaker 1: a little more snuggly and nice and stuff. I'm just before, No,
Speaker 1: no after, like you know, kind of intimate and nice after.
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that cute?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's not. You know, it's not like it's
Speaker 1: a one night stand. It's you know, my wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I start it starts going through my head. I
Speaker 1: start going like, okay, well you just did that. You
Speaker 1: talk you we're dirty talking during it, so you I
Speaker 1: know she's not going to judge me for it. But
Speaker 1: that fear comes in, like, oh god, what did I say?
Speaker 1: There's about how I look? And I go, oh, she'll
Speaker 1: leave me if she realizes what I look like.
Speaker 2: And then how would she not know what you look like?
Speaker 2: Isn't she fucking new?
Speaker 1: No she is, But like my body, the lights off,
Speaker 1: I'm not regularly walking around naked, though, Oh do.
Speaker 2: You have the lights off?
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Tearing those lights on? You do it in the dark.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. No, a nice TV on in them
Speaker 1: some lights above. It's not dark dark, it's definitely not dark.
Speaker 1: You could still see everything.
Speaker 2: Like spotlight on that with a camera.
Speaker 1: Or lights on, would I would just lose my rod immediately?
Speaker 1: Oh you got a little I can't. I just see.
Speaker 2: That's the thing with the milk is we don't give
Speaker 2: a shit. We don't care. We've already our kids have
Speaker 2: wrecked us. We have they're out of the house, they're grown, like,
Speaker 2: we just want to get off, Like that's pretty much
Speaker 2: what we're like, twenty one year old boys.
Speaker 1: That's what they say, right, Yeah, we're such.
Speaker 2: In our prime in our forties. It's like over the top,
Speaker 2: like so cool. Yeah great, and we need someone to
Speaker 2: keep up. But you know, I have to say, I
Speaker 2: believe that men's dicks keep growing, like you know how
Speaker 2: your nose keeps growing in your ears supposedly your whole life. Sure,
Speaker 2: I think their dicks start growing because old men have huge,
Speaker 2: huge dicks.
Speaker 1: I think you've been hanging out with old men with
Speaker 1: big dicks maybe.
Speaker 2: Because tell it, I've seen it all.
Speaker 1: They're big, no fourth grade, so I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about.
Speaker 2: And they got these saggy balls. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 2: so old men, don't you fret? I don't really like
Speaker 2: to fucking it too, But I'm just saying that. The
Speaker 2: younger guys, you know, it's just it's so much fun
Speaker 2: to control them.
Speaker 1: So what do you prefer to work with when you're
Speaker 1: shooting scenes, doing whatever? Do you prefer younger guys? Do
Speaker 1: you prefer guys more qualified? Quote unquote.
Speaker 2: No, that's a hard one because it's just someone that
Speaker 2: I connect with or have the chemistry with. I it's
Speaker 2: all of it. Like I like them big. Big is good.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's big.
Speaker 2: It's just big, no, no, no, and that's good, you know,
Speaker 2: So I like it. I like them like literally, I
Speaker 2: mean I think just because I'm there that I bring
Speaker 2: it out in them regardless, Like they could be the
Speaker 2: most reserved person and I will bring out the freaking them.
Speaker 1: That's nice. That's good to hear.
Speaker 2: So they just let it go with me. It's just
Speaker 2: like so great, like wow, and I stop and go,
Speaker 2: oh my god, is this what my life has resorted to?
Speaker 2: Like this is what I'm really doing? I'm like, I
Speaker 2: am it's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Resorted to. Resorted to is the wrong word, though,
Speaker 1: it's it's is this where my journey has taken me?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? But I mean one time I was skipping
Speaker 2: through the woods and a scarecrow cross costume for Wizard
Speaker 2: of Oz topless, so let him, you know, with three
Speaker 2: other girls. And I was like this, this is what
Speaker 2: my life has come to. And I'm like, ski ski,
Speaker 2: just kept skipping. Great great video by the way, But yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Thought that was I thought that was a preborn story.
Speaker 1: You were like, I was skipping through the woods one time.
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, is this one gonna go? And
Speaker 1: then you go in a SCARECROWK I go, well.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get crazy. Yeah, because we were doing we
Speaker 2: were the Wizard of Uh. We were gonna go do
Speaker 2: the Wizard of Oz, but we had to find him
Speaker 2: and so yeah, Trun, I understand that's a sun one.
Speaker 1: Going back a few minutes when we started talking about
Speaker 1: the Mom step Mom, the taboo that is there? What
Speaker 1: is a trend you hope takes off next, something that
Speaker 1: you actually really really like, Like you like this now,
Speaker 1: I understand that, But is there yea elsewhere you're like, yo, shit,
Speaker 1: if that takes off, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be rilled for the next x amount of years.
Speaker 2: Mm. Well, there's really good question. I would like to
Speaker 2: see old classic movie sets and film to come back.
Speaker 2: I think that that we have cheapened it a bit
Speaker 2: by meaning the theatrics and the performances and the big
Speaker 2: stars are just not not there anymore. So I would
Speaker 2: like to see that cycle back around, and hopefully it does.
Speaker 2: We have have had a lot of restrictions and things
Speaker 2: that we have to battle to get there. We're always
Speaker 2: very resourceful and we find a way to keep it going.
Speaker 2: But that's definitely died down.
Speaker 1: Sure, what are some of the things that are on
Speaker 1: your no list?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: What are some times there.
Speaker 3: We go.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so it would be it's the vomit shit,
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: Wait, let me interrupt you. I used to do a
Speaker 1: game run down the I used to do a game
Speaker 1: like this called sack Shit Animals Kids, and it was
Speaker 1: oh because I would ask what is something that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't shoot a scene for blah blah blah, and inevitably
Speaker 1: women would always go like, well, I wouldn't suck a
Speaker 1: kid and be like, yeah, no, I know that that
Speaker 1: one's good. So we just take those out of the equation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's animals.
Speaker 2: Kids, Yeah, yeah, this takes those out. But you know,
Speaker 2: there's a site that's for like come haters, the women
Speaker 2: that hate Come. But I can't even bring myself to
Speaker 2: do that site because they have to come in my mouth,
Speaker 2: like for me to show how much I hate it,
Speaker 2: and I can't. I can't bring myself to do it.
Speaker 2: So that's a big one that would be. That's no.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much usually my no. And I don't want
Speaker 2: marks on me. I'm not I don't do I'll humiliate
Speaker 2: the shit out of someone, but I don't want it
Speaker 2: done to me. I just like want to punch them
Speaker 2: in the dick instead when they like even if it's
Speaker 2: role playing, I'm just like, it just doesn't with me.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I'm like a lot more submissive. I
Speaker 2: think I don't really know because when I had sex forever,
Speaker 2: but in real life it's kind of like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I don't like it when I'm feeling
Speaker 2: and if someone gets dominant with me, it just makes
Speaker 2: me want to put them in their place. But it
Speaker 2: also I think it's relinquishing a little bit of control
Speaker 2: when you're that vulnerable. So I give it to the
Speaker 2: ones that are submissive. I really do that that takes
Speaker 2: a lot to just give in like that, like it's
Speaker 2: it's difficult for me. So anything that's more humiliating, you know,
Speaker 2: humiliating or just like like why do you want me
Speaker 2: to do that? Like why do you want to hit me?
Speaker 2: Or piss all over me? Or But then again, there
Speaker 2: are those who are perfectly fine with that. So there's
Speaker 2: as long as it's two that are cool with it,
Speaker 2: there shouldn't be any judgment by anybody about it. It's
Speaker 2: just not something maybe that I would do. Sure, you know,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people to get the mommy rolled
Speaker 2: whatsoe have they just started No, no, no, that's gross.
Speaker 2: I have gives no, no, no, it's just so misunderstood.
Speaker 2: But that's okay too. Sure, Well, the labeling on it
Speaker 2: makes it valuable, Yeah for sure. Yeah, but it's it's
Speaker 2: the labeling on it which is necessary and required, Like
Speaker 2: I have to know this is a mommy step mommy
Speaker 2: type situation, otherwise I'm not going to watch it. Why not?
Speaker 1: I Well, if I'm looking for that fetish, I need
Speaker 1: to know what it is. I'm saying. If I were, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I would. I had a debate one time, not
Speaker 1: a real debate, but with a performer about categories, and
Speaker 1: she was totally against it. And I totally understood her
Speaker 1: point too. It was mostly about performers of color. How
Speaker 1: establishing them in other categories or calling this interracial or
Speaker 1: whatever es sense could be negative towards them. But I
Speaker 1: thought I made a compelling point that if you group
Speaker 1: everything under hot Lady, right, isn't the top ten percent
Speaker 1: of the industry with the biggest following then going to
Speaker 1: dominate all of that type of stuff?
Speaker 2: Well, we do niche it, Yeah, and you don't want
Speaker 2: to go through every I guess that would leave it
Speaker 2: open to that you would have to search through every
Speaker 2: video to find your niche. But also you have to
Speaker 2: remember back in the day when they you would buy
Speaker 2: the porn, you would want to know what you're buying.
Speaker 2: But I do see them backing off the BBC, the
Speaker 2: anti rate, you know, the IR And I think she's
Speaker 2: got a point. And when it comes to that particular
Speaker 2: instance like that, that makes sense to me. I believe
Speaker 2: that to be true. But I noticed they've backed off
Speaker 2: that quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe that's a good thing. It's probably a
Speaker 1: good thing. I think it's good morally. I just worry
Speaker 1: about the repercussions of Morley. Yeah, I think it's a
Speaker 1: good thing to do now, not kell like all right,
Speaker 1: so why are we not categorizing people like that?
Speaker 2: But it's not even it's just that one in particular,
Speaker 2: I think is more like singled out and it does
Speaker 2: limit them. That's just from my own perception. But there
Speaker 2: is nothing moral about porn like that word that shouldn't like,
Speaker 2: no moral about porn.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me let me say that you're you're exactly right,
Speaker 1: But let me say that I say I'm running one
Speaker 1: of the big tube sites, right, Okay, someone comes to me,
Speaker 1: a young African American performer and she says, I really
Speaker 1: think it's terrible that people are categorized in this way.
Speaker 1: That I'm stuck under ebony or whatever it would be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever the category as a person who can empathize with
Speaker 1: this person and understand where they're coming from and everything else,
Speaker 1: the morally right decision for me as a person just
Speaker 1: seeing this other performer as a person and understanding their play,
Speaker 1: I get it. No, there's no no actual morals, but
Speaker 1: I just mean when I said that, I meant morally
Speaker 1: like making the right decision as a human and not
Speaker 1: necessarily as a business person or a producer.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, this is about money, though,
Speaker 2: you got to, you know, let's scale it back to
Speaker 2: what it's really about. So of course you're going to
Speaker 2: Everybody gets put into their category of where they make money.
Speaker 2: So the fans put us in those categories, those niches
Speaker 2: I was put into them. I would have never I
Speaker 2: didn't even watch porn beforehand, So that's another shocker besides
Speaker 2: that kind of shocker, you know, but it's a shocker
Speaker 2: like I was like, what the is this? And they
Speaker 2: started calling me that, and then it's I had I
Speaker 2: had a producer from Angel from XCS network. He's a
Speaker 2: good one, but he wanted to do a mommy daughter
Speaker 2: daddy role play. And I was like, I can't do this,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to do that, like this girl
Speaker 2: looks like she's eight, Like I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2: And he was like, listen, you don't have to do it.
Speaker 2: And he says, but let me explain it to you first,
Speaker 2: and he said, you're an actress. You are an actor.
Speaker 2: You are performing. You're not really like if we on
Speaker 2: the movies, just people who have to do horrible. You know,
Speaker 2: they're mass murders, they're childless, but they're all kinds of
Speaker 2: roles and on the internet, you know, but they're not
Speaker 2: that person. So he's like, it's just acting. And I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, okay, and so it's like the best
Speaker 2: movie I ever did, sure by far. And it was
Speaker 2: just sometimes people just need to understand, like step back
Speaker 2: for a second and swallow your huh and just go
Speaker 2: hold on like that's not what that means and truly
Speaker 2: understand that, Like I don't. It's not ancest.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 2: And it's not morally right like to be watching I
Speaker 2: can talk out of two sides of my face on
Speaker 2: this one, because it is hurting our society truemendously. I
Speaker 2: think it's a definite problem. It is our children have
Speaker 2: way too much access to it. Parents aren't watching. It
Speaker 2: is the parent's responsibility, but the fact is they're not
Speaker 2: watching them or they're not and so us coming together
Speaker 2: as a community, you know, the Americans, that we have
Speaker 2: to make that decision on how we're going to stop
Speaker 2: them because it's affecting them tremendously. Like when I was
Speaker 2: growing up, our porn was like National Geographic magazine and
Speaker 2: we'd be looking at the sago tits and be like,
Speaker 2: look at those balls. You know, that was a big
Speaker 2: deal to us. But the stuff that they can access
Speaker 2: on the internet is shocking to me. Like I still
Speaker 2: get shocked. So I don't want I would not want.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: It's a tough one. So am I contributing to it? Yes?
Speaker 2: I am so I can two sides of the I'm
Speaker 2: well aware that I talk out of two sides of
Speaker 2: my face with that. It is? Is it the new
Speaker 2: age verification laws hurting us tremendously as a performer? Yes?
Speaker 2: Is it? I believe? You know, your freedom of speech
Speaker 2: a freedom of an eighteen year old. You know, an
Speaker 2: adult should be able to watch porn, Like, what do
Speaker 2: you mean we can't watch it with up turning in
Speaker 2: our IDs as some third party porn agency. That's a
Speaker 2: little sketch, you know. And it's like you don't. Maybe
Speaker 2: you don't. A lot of people they don't let their
Speaker 2: spouse know they watch it. It just goes on and
Speaker 2: on of why they should be able to be discreete.
Speaker 2: But then on the flip side, you have to buy alcohol,
Speaker 2: you got to show your ID, but it doesn't go
Speaker 2: into Maybe it does now because they scan it, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily go into a sketch system a database.
Speaker 1: Yeah that, yes, is vulnerable to hacks or whatever else.
Speaker 2: It's just they definitely, you know, our industry is pushing
Speaker 2: for like Google or someone to control that, but not
Speaker 2: some random third party that we're going to pay as
Speaker 2: little as possible to because it is so expensive to
Speaker 2: implement these laws. It's I don't know, it's something that
Speaker 2: it's really like, that's what we've come to. But yes,
Speaker 2: we have because how else can you identify if the
Speaker 2: child's there? Are not sure there's there, I don't you know,
Speaker 2: you just have to we have to do something. I
Speaker 2: would love to do. The eye scan, biometrics like that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff would be reasonable. But in the meantime
Speaker 2: it has cut everything, you know, in half as far
Speaker 2: as we're always being shut down, always constantly, and we
Speaker 2: just we'll find another way. Yeah, you know, you're the
Speaker 2: little cycle cycle around.
Speaker 1: The first person I've talked to who has been honest
Speaker 1: about I love this industry. I love talking to people
Speaker 1: in this industry. I think, Yeah, just fascinating to people
Speaker 1: in the world. I think you're great, Do I do?
Speaker 1: I think porn might be pushing too far? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I might. But you know what it does.
Speaker 2: It's not for us to say he though.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's not the.
Speaker 2: Joy of being American. That's the joy of having the
Speaker 2: freedom of speech and expression. That's the joy. That's what
Speaker 2: we're founded on. Is like, but we have technology that
Speaker 2: is being used in a way that we have to
Speaker 2: take preventive measures because it is deeply affecting our future,
Speaker 2: meaning the children become adults and they are deeply being
Speaker 2: affected by If it's not sexual abuse, is pornography, it's
Speaker 2: something to do with that. That's just they're just seeing
Speaker 2: the shit too soon.
Speaker 1: Like, I think it might be even a bigger broader
Speaker 1: spectrum than that. I think that's a part of it.
Speaker 1: But I mean the violence people see online. I think
Speaker 1: it's Yeah, it's media. I hate need like a seventy
Speaker 1: year old man. But I think it's social media. Guys.
Speaker 2: It is one hundred percent media. All media is not.
Speaker 2: All media is bullshit. It's all it is. I don't
Speaker 2: care if it's the news, I don't care if you
Speaker 2: want to call it a reliable source. I don't think
Speaker 2: we know half of what's going on in this world.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I think they're always like, look, look,
Speaker 2: look over here, and they're doing shit over here. I
Speaker 2: don't think we have a clue. I don't think we're
Speaker 2: privy to it. And they just tell us a bunch
Speaker 2: of stories all the time. You know, shit that's going
Speaker 2: on that who knows if it actually exists. I think
Speaker 2: media is the culprit of like absolutely almost every issue
Speaker 2: that we really have is media, and we have no regulations,
Speaker 2: we have no accountability for it. And like, I feel
Speaker 2: so strongly about this because I cut off. I don't
Speaker 2: watch TV at all. I cut all that crap off.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you because it started veering me from
Speaker 2: my belief system that I was raised with. And what
Speaker 2: I was raised with is came from my environment, my
Speaker 2: you know, experiences that I have, which are going to
Speaker 2: be total different than yours. It's it's gonna be different,
Speaker 2: so you're gonna have a different belief system or things
Speaker 2: that don't apply to you, you know, may apply to me.
Speaker 2: You know, if I have a disabled child and you don't,
Speaker 2: you don't give a shit, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It just doesn't. That's how your belief system is built.
Speaker 2: And that's where we don't have a lot of respect
Speaker 2: for each other of stopping and going wait, they've been
Speaker 2: through different shit than I have. There their city or
Speaker 2: state is different than mine, so we don't have that issue,
Speaker 2: you know. But it started to change my belief system
Speaker 2: and it is and it's all it's all bullshit. You
Speaker 2: try to find something that's legit. We have no legitimate
Speaker 2: news sources. They're all one side or the other. They're
Speaker 2: all it's just I hear my I hear certain people
Speaker 2: my friends that call me with this experim crap like
Speaker 2: it's just I feel sorry. It's like I could see
Speaker 2: it eating their brain, like it's it affects and people
Speaker 2: are going, no, I'm not going to let it affect me.
Speaker 2: You don't really have a choice. It has that much
Speaker 2: power it does. It sways you on what you know
Speaker 2: is right and wrong or what you believe, and it's
Speaker 2: it's just I think it's the evil. Yeah. I am media.
Speaker 1: So I've done a lot of interviews with the hottest
Speaker 1: women in the world, and I have never been harder
Speaker 1: than I am right now. As you described how much
Speaker 1: you hate the media because I also hate the media.
Speaker 1: I think it's propaganda. I think it's been that way
Speaker 1: since the fifties.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, yes, probably I am I'm
Speaker 2: not that old, thank god, but it's definitely. I didn't
Speaker 2: start recognizing it until, like, I had my vehicle stolen
Speaker 2: from my airport in Denver, and when it was stolen,
Speaker 2: they were screwing me on every side of this situation,
Speaker 2: and I was paying everybody. I paid out thousands of
Speaker 2: dollars to the parking, to the toe truck man, to
Speaker 2: the impound, you name it. And I'm like that, like
Speaker 2: it was stolen from me. So I go to this
Speaker 2: troubleshooter and he ends up telling me, oh, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: gonna go to all these people. We're gonna knock on
Speaker 2: their doors, call and be like why are you taking
Speaker 2: money from this victim? You know this? And that. I'm
Speaker 2: like cool, Like even the police, what did you do?
Speaker 2: You could have put it in the police impound, but
Speaker 2: instead you let it sit like you let a private
Speaker 2: person take it. It would have been free. So anyways, and
Speaker 2: he ends up doing this news story. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's get him, let's get him. And then he played
Speaker 2: it on the news, and I sat there just absolutely
Speaker 2: like dumbfounded that it was about. He ended up dubbing,
Speaker 2: in my words, to two years ago a law that
Speaker 2: didn't pass that I know nothing about. I never mentioned it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and he was like talking about that,
Speaker 2: and then I would make a comment that would it
Speaker 2: would be like yeah, you know as a victim, Da
Speaker 2: da da da dah. And I was like, this man
Speaker 2: stood in front of my face, supposed to be the
Speaker 2: trouble the truth finder, the trouble shooter. And that's when
Speaker 2: I really understood the depth of how bad the media
Speaker 2: is because I had nothing to do with that law.
Speaker 2: I didn't even live in the state at that time. Like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Wherever you are politically? To anybody, just fake news is
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, okay, it has been.
Speaker 2: It's all of them. It's I mean, it's supposed to
Speaker 2: go help me, Like I thought this, you know, you
Speaker 2: got the troubleshooter on it, and he's gonna go and
Speaker 2: ring ring ring, What do you do you know? And
Speaker 2: it's like this man totally took my story and it
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with helping me. It had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with my story it had to do with
Speaker 2: the law that was that didn't path. It's just ridiculous,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and it's like, why did you sit there
Speaker 2: and bullshit me? Why didn't you just tell me that's
Speaker 2: what it was about? Like why didn't we just do that?
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, at least I could read the law.
Speaker 2: So anyways, And that's when I really realized how bad
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Like it's bad, yeah, but I'm not gonna I won't
Speaker 1: bring up mine on here because it's too political. But
Speaker 1: it was a political thing where I was like, that's
Speaker 1: not that. I know it's not that, and yet I'm
Speaker 1: being told this is that and it's.
Speaker 2: Not and yeah, and they literally I mean not to
Speaker 2: get too far into it, but like Trump is such
Speaker 2: a performer, like he is an absolute stage show. Like
Speaker 2: he is he's one of like best performers there is,
Speaker 2: because all he does is does a dance over here.
Speaker 2: Everybody looks at it that way watch him do. He's
Speaker 2: such a horrible dancer. He's this and that and and
Speaker 2: they're really over here doing ten other things and he's
Speaker 2: the performer. And it's like we're just so sucked into
Speaker 2: it and it's damaging it's it's done a lot of
Speaker 2: I think a lot of damage to our family units
Speaker 2: are side. It's just gone as shit, maybe, and I
Speaker 2: contribute to it in more ways than one. So I'm
Speaker 2: not try trying to say that I am, by any
Speaker 2: means not a contributor.
Speaker 1: I am, you know what the can I can I
Speaker 1: try and give you a little cover on that one there,
Speaker 1: because yeah, it doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: you produce stuff. That would, you know, disgust me from
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty five sensibility. It sounds like you produce stuff,
Speaker 1: or you want to produce stuff, or you like being
Speaker 1: a part of stuff. That's more of the you know,
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, when I was sneaking into
Speaker 1: a used trade a tape fucking DVD shops so whatever
Speaker 1: lady would sell me at it for when I was
Speaker 1: sixteen years old or whatever. Jesus, you know we shouldn't
Speaker 1: say that, but yeah, she works at a Walmart now.
Speaker 1: She hassled me a couple of weeks ago anyway about
Speaker 1: a receipt. I don't I personally. I'll just say this
Speaker 1: and you can feel however you want to feel from
Speaker 1: the outside perspective. You sound like you don't delve into
Speaker 1: the stuff, that he's pushing it too far, because there
Speaker 1: has been for a long time. You know how many.
Speaker 2: People are against what the mommy role play.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe that yes me, so see.
Speaker 2: How you say that. And at the flip side, no,
Speaker 2: I'm actually diving into these people don't understand it, which
Speaker 2: is fair. But I do dive into that very much so.
Speaker 2: But your perception is not necessarily that. So I do
Speaker 2: talk out of both sides of my face when it
Speaker 2: comes to that. And I really don't have an excuse
Speaker 2: for uh saying it's bad and then doing exactly what's
Speaker 2: bad in my in my own belief system, I don't
Speaker 2: justify it. I'm just a character over here and I'm
Speaker 2: I don't just I don't think there is a justification
Speaker 2: for it. I guess I believe, not believe. But it's
Speaker 2: done me in my world and my family more than
Speaker 2: I could ever ever ask for. So I'm good with that.
Speaker 2: It sits well with me. I fucked up in life.
Speaker 2: I didn't go to college right away. I had kids
Speaker 2: to you early, like all that stuff, and it's just
Speaker 2: it's done. It picked up the pieces where I desperately
Speaker 2: needed pieces picked up. So it's it's done me right
Speaker 2: in so many ways that I'll gladly contribute to it
Speaker 2: because it's going on anyways, and I have to block
Speaker 2: that out of my mind. I have to just block
Speaker 2: out the fact that it's not necessarily something I think
Speaker 2: is good.
Speaker 1: Hey, I can respect while I yeah, right, I can
Speaker 1: respect though taking a step back and realizing it because
Speaker 1: I'm doing it too. I'm having conversations and I'm not
Speaker 1: producing porn porn, but I'm you know, I'm engaging in
Speaker 1: the community.
Speaker 2: I just glorifying it.
Speaker 1: I am to an extent, But conversations like this, deep
Speaker 1: stuff like that, which I rarely get, is a great insight.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this one last question. Then we've
Speaker 1: really got to wrap this up, okay, because I've been
Speaker 1: asking performers this for a long time and it's so
Speaker 1: interesting to response because it old piggisback, piggybacks on what
Speaker 1: we just said there. What should be the age that
Speaker 1: a girl is allowed to get into porn?
Speaker 2: Definitely twenty one to twenty five eighty. You shouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to not go to the bar or drink at
Speaker 2: the event that you're naked at I think that's so
Speaker 2: it's bizarre that it's that way. But I definitely believe
Speaker 2: twenty one and older.
Speaker 1: That every performer I've talked to has come to eat
Speaker 1: by far. Girls who got in at eighteen, who oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I see them now and they go, yeah, twenty they
Speaker 1: I believe they would twenty one is what kind of
Speaker 1: the general thing. But we also have the argument, not argument,
Speaker 1: but a discussion that there are some eighteen year olds
Speaker 1: who are so much more mature than some forty year olds.
Speaker 2: It's not about maturity, though, it's about your brain is
Speaker 2: not developed at a level that can handle the seriousness
Speaker 2: of what you're doing. Sure, it's just not it's not.
Speaker 2: It's too your brain's still grown. Yes, why you don't
Speaker 2: put alcohol in into it? And so it's done growing? Like,
Speaker 2: but we can send you to war. That's that's a
Speaker 2: killer too. That's a killer. I that one I can't yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yees yeah now yeah. So definitely above twenty one, I
Speaker 2: would say twenty five, I think you need more, even
Speaker 2: more growth than you do with alcohol, even though alcohols
Speaker 2: the double two. But you know, alcohol media orn you know,
Speaker 2: totally fair going to him, I'm going.
Speaker 1: Yes for the evening.
Speaker 2: It's been great.
Speaker 1: Make sure you hit up the of at Lily Craven
Speaker 1: and follow all the social media in the episode description,
Speaker 1: bare minimum you could do is follow these folks on
Speaker 1: social media. It cost you nothing. You might as well
Speaker 1: throw it out there. Yeah, step, paycheck came in. You're
Speaker 1: feeling good. Wow, I got a little bit of money.
Speaker 1: Head over to the of Yes, you know. Just engage
Speaker 1: with these people, the performers. They perform for you, make
Speaker 1: sure you support them on the back end. Lily, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your time this evening.
Speaker 2: Thank you, This has been awesome.