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Speaker 1: Lily Craven my guest for the evening. You know exactly

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where you can find her at Lily Craven. Links to

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all of our social media are in the episode description.

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Make sure you support the creators that come on this show,

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otherwise they stop coming on the show. Lily, it's a

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real pleasure to have you on tonight. Thank you for

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having me. We had some fun discussion off camera. But

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let me start with let me start with the basic,

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boring question, just so I can kind of establish a

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baseline of your career. How did you initially get into

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the adult entertainment industry in whatever form it was, whether

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it was dancing first, you went right into shooting porn,

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you did camming, you were swinging. What is your entrance

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from a vanilla life into this industry?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have a good one. You know, most of

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us have a quite fascinating story on how we got

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into it. But I started off selling out of my

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Facebook inbox, and I have I still run a group.

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It's called camp Morning Wood and it's our way. We

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only use camping lingo and you can buy content from

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the counselors in the inbox. So I did that, and

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then I caught a bam for three months and I

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freaked out. I was like, oh my god, you know,

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what do I do? What do I do? And I

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had a friend, Thank you, tyson. My friend said, have

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you ever heard of chatterbait? And I was like no.

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He's like, it's webcam modeling. I'm like, no, I've never

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heard of it. So he was like, here, let me

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show you. And I was like, oh my god, I

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could do that. So I started on chatter bait and

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I didn't say why. So anyways, the reason I got

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into all this was because I had a cheating next

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husband and I wanted revenge. So I ended up, you know,

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packing my shit up, going to Hollywood for the Why

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Not Summit and I sat in the smoking section where

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everyone sits and they're smoking something or another, and I

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started chatting and I met like Will Ryder and Katie

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Morgan and Evan Stone and they were all out there,

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and that's how I got my foot in the door.

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Speaker 1: So personal, keep anything personal you'd like to keep personal.

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But I got to dig into this a little bit. No,

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please go ahead. It was was it a one time

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cheating event, was it a continuous thing? Was it a

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cold Play concert where he got caught with his HR person.

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I don't know if you've seen that news story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh i've seen it. No, did you know? Not

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off topic?

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Speaker 3: By the way, you can get off topic all you want,

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please do. So what happened with that story with the CEO?

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It was cold Play that was contacted by the wife

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that she found out that they were going to be there.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, there's a whole other layer to it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so they said, yeah, the wife set it up. Wow,

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So people are hating on Coldplay, but they're like after

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she described everything and said they had been married for

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twenty five thirty years and that they know this is

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going she knows this is going on, and that they're

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supposed to be at the concert, and so that was

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like set up deliberately.

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Speaker 1: Did you see his wife too? She was gorgeous. Yeah,

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total not you. No, there was an old Bill Maher joke.

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There's an old Bill Moore joke and apologies it's a

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little crass, but it was something about it doesn't matter

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what kind of pussy you're getting. It's not as good

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as new pussy, is what he always used to say.

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And it's you know, I've been in a committed, non

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cheating relationship for about nineteen years. I think it is

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for you. I think I said a lesser number last time,

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and my wife was like, hey, fuck, oh you need

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to buddy. Yeah, when were you into this thing? But

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it's like, uh no, I just I personally go like,

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there's too much risk, get in trouble, and I like

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my wife, you know, yeah, So can I ask you?

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And this is this is you know?

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Speaker 2: Please?

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Speaker 1: Your situation was it?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do you think? I don't know if you know the

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details on his side of it, but your situation was

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it just you had been together a long time? Was

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it something fell out of the marriage a little bit? Again?

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Speaker 2: We were totally just I think we were two years

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into it and I was so into him. He was

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like my everything. He was such a good husband. Like

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I was absolutely blindsided. And then some woman contacts me

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and said that they had been engaged for a year

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and they had an apartment together and that they it

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just goes on and on. Wow, Like it wasn't just her,

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So it was a pretty good sting, especially when I

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thought he was gold and so I don't know it

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was a difficult but a beautiful one in the end,

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because I would have never ever in my life thought

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I would be involved in this industry. And when I

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did get involved, it's like I belonged, Like I hadn't

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really worked a job, I had no career. It put

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me through school. I put myself through school. I I

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don't know. I just everybody welcomed me, and my fans

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just boosted me up and told me I mattered to them,

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and it was really just a positive all the way around.

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It's been It's been a great ride. And I like

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being too. I like being Lily, like that's fun to be.

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And I also like looking at people and going I

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don't care, like because Lily doesn't care, shouldn't give a shit,

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and I'm much more reserved, very much so. So it's

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been fun to play the character, play the part.

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Speaker 1: You may eventually start to live the part.

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Speaker 2: It seems like, you know, I don't know if i'd

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lived her life. She's pretty wild. But but it is fun.

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It's a fun thing to do it definitely, you know,

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the entrepreneurship of it, the self employment, just it's a constant.

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It's very strategic. It's like a game of chess. I

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always say, you've got to really plan things out. There's

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never really a sure way to do things. So it

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takes a lot of planning and thinking and teamwork and

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it's it's just a It occupies a lot of my

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time in a good way.

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Speaker 1: I always asked this question, and it's half a joke,

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but did you realize that coming into the porn industry

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would be about five percent having sex and the rest

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of it was social media?

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Speaker 2: You know? Blah, So a little secret about me. So

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I was like really really reserved on the sex part

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because I was just like, oh my god, I have

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to do I'm going to have to give a blowjob,

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Like I'm gonna I'm going to have to do what?

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Maybe that's why I didn't keep the huzz but anyways,

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so so basically I had to tell myself, am I

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okay with doing this? So then I found a way

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around doing Really the sex stuff was because you know,

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playing the Mommy, it's a lot of dialogue. My fans

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like to jack off to the whole storyline. They are

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not into pop shots and all that stuff. Because I

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am a major comophobe. I learned that too, so I

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don't really need loads anywhere that I yeah, yeah, so

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we sticked a cream pine on the face. You can't

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see it, you know, that sort of stuff. But I

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definitely I have a list of what I won't do

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when I started, which was pretty pretty much. It was

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easier to say what I would do, and I have

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gotten away with a lot or not necessarily having to

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do so much, boy girl, because I talked to my

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fans right there.

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I want to come back to your list

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because I have a thing like, yeah, but I have

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to say this. I am a I am a I'm

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a pop shot fetishist. Like that's what I Oh, many

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are sure? Sure? Sure? You know you bring up a

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new scene, you fast forward right to the end.

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Speaker 2: What I don't have an end? What? Uh?

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Speaker 1: What is it that grosses you out? Is it the

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smell the texture that tastes.

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Speaker 2: The Okay, so get this, I can't smell. So it's

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not that the taste. I've never tasted it that. It's

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just it's psychological. There's no reason behind why. I'm like totally,

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I'm just afraid of it. Like I don't know why.

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I don't mind if it's someone i'm with. I think

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it's more the rando cumshots, like like if you shoot,

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you could shoot it on my am. I stuff just

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I just don't like sit there and stare at it.

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But but if the thought of it going near my

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mouth is just horrible to me. But you know, I've

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learned I could take it on the face, which means

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I can handle it, so it's not the texture.

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Speaker 1: Then give me a second. Let me cross off all

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of my bukkake questions. That's going to eliminate about twenty

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minutes of our conversation.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I have a friend who does bukkaki. Shea at

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that book. I was in the room one time and

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I smelt that there were so many Uh you said

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you said something earlier about meeting people at like the

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Why Not Show, and.

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Speaker 1: I, as a total idiot from the outside, just ignorant

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to it. Right, I would look at it and I

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would assume from all the stigma I've heard all of

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the years about women, I would go, this must be

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the caddiest, nastiest business where people don't help each other

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polar opposite, isn't it. Well, from what I've seen, at least, right, Yeah,

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for sure.

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Speaker 2: We definitely have a stigma, but that stigma is a

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good like in my opinion, it makes us more valuable.

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the fans to make us out to be, you know,

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much more than we are. They also think that we are,

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like at these we're just fucking all the time, and

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it's like, I'm the only one I don't know. I know,

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there's quite a few of us that don't even have sex.

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personal sex in ten years, so that's where it's kind

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of funny about that. But yeah, we are so like

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we team up a lot. There's girls like Garcy Dean

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and Piper breass and and Kaylani Kai and there's pre

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or Rye. Like we always get together, Amy Quinn. We

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are always conferring, putting our brains together, figuring things out,

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teaming up. Especially at the exoticas we get to intermingle

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with our fans. We spend the whole weekend with them.

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the after parties they come with that you know to us,

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with us, we are not separated from them. We definitely interact.

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we're not we don't exist. So yeah, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I've been to Exotica probably the last like four years

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in Jersey, ever since I started doing this show, and

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I love that one. Yeah, I do too. But this

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last year though, man, it has really exploded in popular

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I couldn't miss last time, you know, two years ago,

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totally fine, I could not move last year. It was

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crazy how tight everything was, how fucking hot. I wasn't there. Yeah, yeah,

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do you do? So you do convention? Were you at

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that one? Did I miss you?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? I had a booth there with Skyhawk after

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dark we did our booth. We had about fifteen girls

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in our We were right in the front.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I probably squeezed by you guys about six times.

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Speaker 2: A yeah, for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 1: What is a what is etiquette for you at one

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of these conventions? Because again I always am real nice

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people that I had interviewed and I you know, introduced

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myself and totally respectful professional. I'm in the professional version

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of this industry, right, yeah. But then one girl, it's

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this girl Cat who I interviewed, total sweetheart Cat, no

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cat Karma or gasling, which, yeah, oh do you know her?

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard, Yeah, she's she's just one of my favorites.

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She came on the show very early on and just

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I love her. She's a sweetheart. Whatever. But the next

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guy in line, after, you know, I walk up with

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my wife, I go Cat and her husband at the time, Hey,

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you and you can get that cordial Oh okay, bye.

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her ass like it was alans bottle of water in

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fucking Sudan or something, and.

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Speaker 2: It was it's really hard to get water there.

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Speaker 1: What is like proper etiquette for you at these things,

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and what is something you could say right now to

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men listening to this, Hey, don't do this.

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Speaker 2: If you're there, well, don't just stick your finger in

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me or leave marks. I would say, basically like just

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act right. They know what's right and wrong, you know

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some of them, some of them do things, But I

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don't encounter that too often. It's a good crowd. I

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would have to say overall, I have maybe heard of

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that once or twice, like and otherwise they wait for

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the performer to invite them to do that, you know,

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but we don't really get grabbed at, not too often. Sure,

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we've got great security. It's the same security that travels

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everywhere with us. So they really just have a tight

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rain and it's it's just good people like our fans

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are not barbaric animals or now online they can be

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a little bit mouthfier, sure, but they in general, I

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don't have any I haven't seen any issues. None of

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our girls have had issues in our booths each time,

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so it's not really a concern.

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Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, that's good to hear. You went well. Again,

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from my outside perspective, if I wasn't involved, I would

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be you would think we would. Yeah, I bet it's

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a shit show there. I bet everyone's crazy blah blah.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah it was.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty respect It was just too packed, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I get a lot of that, like, oh,

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you must run into some crazy people, and it's like, no,

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they're actually really good, genuine people, you know, more introverted.

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Quite often, I don't see them as weird at all.

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I don't rarely do I ever say this is a

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weird one, like, very rarely, very.

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of weird dudes when I went,

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but I'm not I'm not a performer, so.

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Speaker 2: They wait visually visually weird or well.

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Speaker 1: I try not to judge people just on their visuals.

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But yeah, no, they were weirdo looking people and they

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creep me out a little bit. But if they're nice

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and respectful, whatever are they're.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the eh, they like, you're making me on.

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I'm not a performer.

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Speaker 1: It's that women were looking at me and vomiting. Actually,

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it was very sick.

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Speaker 2: To do that.

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Speaker 1: I know, I break all the rules.

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Speaker 2: Do you like vomit? No? No, no, I know someone

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that loves it.

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Speaker 1: I just it's just not there girls to.

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Speaker 2: Vomit on each other and in each other's mouth, And

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I'm yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a realm. There's certain bodily fluid realms, which

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is maybe why I have an understanding of your com phobia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it's from. At least you

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understand it.

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Speaker 1: There's certain Yeah, I don't know either, honestly, as I

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as I think about it. I don't know where it

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all comes from. I know, like I like all girls

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and gothy girls, and my wife is very pale skin,

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dark hair because I grew up at a time when

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it was like the Blink one eighty two, Avril Levine,

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pop punk type of stuff. So that's my fetish.

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Speaker 2: But they're hot. Yeah, I do like that too.

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Speaker 1: So there's something about them too. It looks like they

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break rules and I like, yeah, and I like it.

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But they're quiet, they are que that's nice to it.

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Speaker 2: They're secretive in a way like they're just they're mysterious.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, very mysterious and fun. And yeah it's.

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Speaker 2: Just plain like pretty, like like if I put that

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on my feet and all that, I look like a clown.

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Speaker 1: No you look.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I've tried it. Now we'll we'll leave it

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at that. I've tried it fair enough. Not a good idea.

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Oh oh yeah, I'm like, no, we're not going to

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do that again.

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Speaker 1: All right. Let me ask you this. You have a

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tattoo on your chest. Maybe love it, hate it? Old tattoo?

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Want to keep it around? It's sentimental. Any idea on

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removing it, any idea brightening it? Up. What are we?

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How do we feel about that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I've had many I went through the phase

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of all the tattoos, the para scenes I have had,

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Like my arm removed, the lazered off.

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Speaker 1: You can kind of see a green green but it looks.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't lift it back then, like I see it

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barely right there.

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Speaker 1: If you told me I couldn't, I was literally My

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next question was is that the only tattoo you've ever gotten?

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And what kind of decision was that? So that is

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go ahead? Yeah? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this one was removed and then I had

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a tummy tuck so so that was cut off, thank god.

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And then this one is just this is a cover

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up from probably thirty plus years ago. It's faded for

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some reason. People like it. I don't know why. It's

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just three roses that fit the letters on the cursive

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and that's how it was, and that's all it is.

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It's nothing more than that. And I don't want to go,

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you know, burn off my tit and I don't want

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to put I don't want another tattoo.

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Speaker 1: So are you so you're done with tattoos?

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Speaker 2: Then? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm over it? Like that

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was a phase. So I'm done with that. And then

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of course the piercings. You know, sometimes if you go

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to the pokey one time, they'll tell you to take

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them out and then they close up. So that was

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many many moons ago, and so I was like, huh,

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just kept him out.

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Speaker 1: My wife. My wife took her nipple piercings out. And

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it's one of those things where at first she got

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it done without telling me, which is almost like not

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that she has to, but it's like, you know, we're together,

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and let me know that you're gonna go get this done.

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Then I fall in love with it. Then she takes

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amount and it close up and I miss them. Now

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we're gonna start trying to have kids in a couple

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of years, so he doesn't want to get yeah, and

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I'm just like, in this weird cross pattern. I like

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your tattoo. I think your tttoo is very nice. It's

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really unique too. Yeah, just in terms of just in

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terms of it creates an aesthetic for you where you're

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this gorgeous like statuesque curves. Oh, and then you have

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this nice print here and it's like ooh, a little

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bit of it.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of a signature. I'd never intended it

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to be.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, let me let's let's circle back

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to what we were saying before about your no list.

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You're absolutely not well not okay, first, let me start

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this way. Is there something you wish? All right, the

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last like ten fifteen years, we've seen this big step mom,

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step whatever.

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Speaker 2: Step Oh, I'm not a stepper. That's just fucking your

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dad's wife. Yeah, that's not the same. That doesn't have

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the same level of perversion as as not at all.

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So it's a different audience completely.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's there's two different types of

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mental illness. There no one of them illegal.

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Speaker 2: Wait no, no, no, hold on, hold on okay, So

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this is what a big, big, huge misconception. By no

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means do we when we do this kind of role play?

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Are we thinking of our biological parents or our biological

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children or siblings? Like that? Does it? That's so gross?

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Like you're like, you know what I mean, Like I

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don't want to fuck my sister. Like my sister she's

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like like I don't want to do that, you know

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what I mean, I don't want to fuck my dad.

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I don't want to fuck you know what I mean,

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like that's just the way it is. It is. It's

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a it's explaining a role of So say you have

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like a mistress where she punishes. She wears the black

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you know, the latex, she'll whip you, she'll make it

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clean stuff, lick stuff up, or do whatever, and you

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get punished. Now, a mommy is someone who is dominant,

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she's a milk. She's experienced. But the next thing is

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she's nurturing. So that's how you divide it between. It

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has absolutely nothing to do with incest at all. Like

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it it's so far fetched that someone would say that

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because we do, say daddy without a problem. Nobody wants

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to fuck their biological I mean there's always that one,

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but nobody is intending on fucking when they say, oh

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that's my daddy, you know, they're not like thinking, oh

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my bio dad, I want to go and like boneum,

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Like that's so far fetched. And it's the same thing

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with mommy. It has no underlying like it just is

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not that's not what it is. So a mommy will

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teach you, oh, son, you're doing that so wrong, Like

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let my mommy show you, because moms we show them

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how to do things right. So basically it's an older

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woman experienced women with a younger and that's that's where

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the role comes in. It has nothing, please, nothing ever

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to do with incest.

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Speaker 1: So that's so far out of the box. I've done

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probably one hundred and fifty of these episodes so far.

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I have never had somebody break it down. Yeah, so

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sinctly like that, like it's a soft dom thing then

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is what it feels.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's very dominant, and it's it's a lot of

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dialogue and and yes, we hit that level of perversion

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like you you know, just saying like, oh, your penis

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was made inside of me, so it belongs there. Like

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that's a that's such a level of perversion. But it's not.

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It's not at all an incest thing. It's just being

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perverted to the extreme and the more perverse. If you

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are the it's just so much fun. It's so much fun.

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But if I'm being a step mom, like I'm just

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a slut, you know what I mean, Like like there's

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nothing wrong with the sluts, like I don't like but

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but I'm the one where you you innocently start fucking him,

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you know what I mean? You innocent like or you

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or mom is the aggressor and she's really just like

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he's really a fine young man, and mom wants to

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get pregnant and her husband, his dad's not going to

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do it, so why not? You got a good one, right?

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You know, that's sort of a hundred dialogue.

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Speaker 1: I always say, as long as there's no dogs or

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kids in the room, I don't give a shit what

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your kink is. You do you whatever it is, as

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long as it's legal, that's very legal. It's just well

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we talked about gross things earlier, like vomit or anything

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like that. Maybe it's not so much the actual vomit

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or this and that. It's just they need the level

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of taboo so much yper than anything is present here,

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and you go, you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: A way to escape from Like I've had er doctors

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and stuff like that tell me that they they see

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such extreme and then if they could step away. That's

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where there's so many medical people are freaks, but I

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love you all have fun with them. But anyways, so

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when they do that, like it's something more extreme than

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what they're dealing with. So that's where they get into

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a lot of those the extreme kinks and converse, you know,

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like yeah, you know, orgies and swinging and all that

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stuff is just something that can step them out of

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where they're their mindset is usually at you know, No,

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that's about That's not what it is.

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Speaker 1: That's again very succinct, and I've never really heard it

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broken down that way, and it makes total sense. I

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took years to a decade and a half have probably

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to introduce dirty talking to my wife. Right, Oh, it's great,

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Oh it's and and I totally understand her shyness and

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whatever else weird at first, totally yes. But what you

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have to establish for me at least, was I go.

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Because we're both very cynical. We laugh a lot, we

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both bust each other, you do. But I have said

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anything that takes place in this room, you know, while

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we're doing this, I will not judge you, for I

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will not make fun of you, for I will not whatever.

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I want you to just try, just try and like

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talk sexy and do this and that and whatever. And man,

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it has taken you. There's so much so hot. Yeah,

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And and she doesn't mind it either, she likes it too.

469
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,799
What you I think with any of these fetishes or

470
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,559
taboos or anything like that. Now, look, don't go to

471
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:54,440
your wife and be like, you know, I want you

472
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,440
to pretend to be my mom without letting her know

473
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:00,200
the context of it, Like I want you to be

474
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:02,799
my mom. It's gonna come off strange. You need to

475
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:03,839
expense to start.

476
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,559
Speaker 2: Whispering like little things in her ears and be like,

477
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,839
who's your mom? Oh, you're my mommy, or just something

478
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,400
like once in a while in the moment would be.

479
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,720
I know, men are the best teachers of dirty talk

480
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,680
because what we think a man wants to hear is

481
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,640
so far off. So I started learning to dirty talk

482
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,720
by asking my fans, what's your trigger words? What one

483
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,000
liners do you have that you know, because you men

484
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,160
tell themselves like you know, giving up horsey, you know,

485
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680
like they say all kinds of stuff to their dicks,

486
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,160
so they need to hear that. They're very very audio driven,

487
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,200
very and visually. So if you just ask them, I

488
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,319
started just like taking note of these one liners like, oh,

489
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,759
jerk me a huge rope, but come like, woman, I

490
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:54,319
would never think of that, what is a rope of? Like?

491
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,319
But anyways, so I just start learning, come on, jerk me,

492
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,720
that huge rope would come and then they would just

493
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,400
do it. I'm like, damn or like you know now

494
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,559
you me, you know, just like stuff that they the

495
00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:10,720
best teacher is a man, So yeah, you need to

496
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:13,640
be teaching your wives. They just don't know what you

497
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,039
want to hear. Yes, yes, that's a lot of it is.

498
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: The part of my concern was like, well, I don't

499
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,519
want to directly tell you a word for word what

500
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:25,119
you want to hear, because then you'll never sleep with

501
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,839
me again to my wife, So let's just casually throw

502
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:31,480
it really would I mean, look again, tell me.

503
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: Something you'd really want to hear that you would not

504
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:38,680
tell her? Oh, come on, give me one. You got one.

505
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,640
You can't throw that out there and not say something.

506
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's not anything crazy or.

507
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,799
Speaker 2: Great, No, but it's somewhat silly, probably.

508
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: Not even okay, look so it seems like it would

509
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,359
be a basic. But we talked earlier. I have kind

510
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,119
of a thing, I like a popshot type thing. I

511
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,519
like whatever, so I like hearing, well, look, I look's

512
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,000
going to and say it, but just just yeah, anything

513
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:06,240
like come on my face, cume on my mouth, even

514
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,720
if they don't have to. If she you know, I'll

515
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,359
be like, hey, I'll finish on your stomach. I don't care.

516
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:14,400
Just talk to me like we're doing something else or.

517
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, like she's like, you're gonna shoot this huge rocket

518
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:20,920
because because after I love their.

519
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: Come Yeah, after I finished? What am I doing? It's

520
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,359
not like I need to be hyped up anymore?

521
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 2: No, you guys run afterwards. That is one of the

522
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,160
biggest things I have read, which just it was a

523
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,319
surprise that when even you're on webcam and you're webcamming

524
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,720
and the guy nuts click like he's done. It's almost

525
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,119
like he comes to like a reality of oh my god,

526
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:45,799
what am I doing? He just hangs up. They don't

527
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,319
even say bye. And I was like, why would I

528
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,920
do wrong? And then someone had told me, oh no,

529
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:54,480
this happens all the time, So now I know the

530
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,599
second thing that they're out, that's it, and it's not

531
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,680
I'm like, is it saving money? No, he still had

532
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,559
so many minutes left. No, they're just.

533
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:07,119
Speaker 1: Done, like it's a it's okay, it's calm clarity.

534
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,759
Speaker 2: I guess it's called or something like weird.

535
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, you know what my I I do not

536
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,240
do the same thing like run away because she's my

537
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,039
wife obviously, but I'm not like snugly and hold it

538
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:18,640
for an hour.

539
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,359
Speaker 2: No, we don't want that either.

540
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,279
Speaker 1: I need a little Yeah, she wishes I would be

541
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:28,359
a little more snuggly and nice and stuff. I'm just before, No,

542
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:31,079
no after, like you know, kind of intimate and nice after.

543
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:32,799
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that cute?

544
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's not. You know, it's not like it's

545
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,640
a one night stand. It's you know, my wife.

546
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

547
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: But I start it starts going through my head. I

548
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,599
start going like, okay, well you just did that. You

549
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:50,440
talk you we're dirty talking during it, so you I

550
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,200
know she's not going to judge me for it. But

551
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,680
that fear comes in, like, oh god, what did I say?

552
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,960
There's about how I look? And I go, oh, she'll

553
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:00,079
leave me if she realizes what I look like.

554
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: And then how would she not know what you look like?

555
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,359
Isn't she fucking new?

556
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,039
Speaker 1: No she is, But like my body, the lights off,

557
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:13,240
I'm not regularly walking around naked, though, Oh do.

558
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,039
Speaker 2: You have the lights off?

559
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean.

560
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: Tearing those lights on? You do it in the dark.

561
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand. No, a nice TV on in them

562
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,680
some lights above. It's not dark dark, it's definitely not dark.

563
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,319
You could still see everything.

564
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: Like spotlight on that with a camera.

565
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,039
Speaker 1: Or lights on, would I would just lose my rod immediately?

566
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Oh you got a little I can't. I just see.

567
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,559
Speaker 2: That's the thing with the milk is we don't give

568
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,839
a shit. We don't care. We've already our kids have

569
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,799
wrecked us. We have they're out of the house, they're grown, like,

570
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,559
we just want to get off, Like that's pretty much

571
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,400
what we're like, twenty one year old boys.

572
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: That's what they say, right, Yeah, we're such.

573
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,319
Speaker 2: In our prime in our forties. It's like over the top,

574
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,640
like so cool. Yeah great, and we need someone to

575
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,920
keep up. But you know, I have to say, I

576
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,400
believe that men's dicks keep growing, like you know how

577
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,799
your nose keeps growing in your ears supposedly your whole life. Sure,

578
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,319
I think their dicks start growing because old men have huge,

579
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:16,559
huge dicks.

580
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,839
Speaker 1: I think you've been hanging out with old men with

581
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,160
big dicks maybe.

582
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: Because tell it, I've seen it all.

583
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,119
Speaker 1: They're big, no fourth grade, so I don't know what

584
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,000
you're talking about.

585
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: And they got these saggy balls. Yeah, it's just like

586
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,079
so old men, don't you fret? I don't really like

587
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,759
to fucking it too, But I'm just saying that. The

588
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,960
younger guys, you know, it's just it's so much fun

589
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:43,880
to control them.

590
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,079
Speaker 1: So what do you prefer to work with when you're

591
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:49,640
shooting scenes, doing whatever? Do you prefer younger guys? Do

592
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,119
you prefer guys more qualified? Quote unquote.

593
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: No, that's a hard one because it's just someone that

594
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:04,880
I connect with or have the chemistry with. I it's

595
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,200
all of it. Like I like them big. Big is good.

596
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,759
Speaker 1: Okay, there's big.

597
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: It's just big, no, no, no, and that's good, you know,

598
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:22,240
So I like it. I like them like literally, I

599
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,799
mean I think just because I'm there that I bring

600
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,079
it out in them regardless, Like they could be the

601
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:30,079
most reserved person and I will bring out the freaking them.

602
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:31,759
Speaker 1: That's nice. That's good to hear.

603
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: So they just let it go with me. It's just

604
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:38,279
like so great, like wow, and I stop and go,

605
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:42,000
oh my god, is this what my life has resorted to?

606
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:44,240
Like this is what I'm really doing? I'm like, I

607
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,279
am it's cool.

608
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Resorted to. Resorted to is the wrong word, though,

609
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,200
it's it's is this where my journey has taken me?

610
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? But I mean one time I was skipping

611
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,359
through the woods and a scarecrow cross costume for Wizard

612
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,680
of Oz topless, so let him, you know, with three

613
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,279
other girls. And I was like this, this is what

614
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,880
my life has come to. And I'm like, ski ski,

615
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,319
just kept skipping. Great great video by the way, But yeah, I.

616
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: Thought that was I thought that was a preborn story.

617
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,559
You were like, I was skipping through the woods one time.

618
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,519
I was like, fuck, is this one gonna go? And

619
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:25,519
then you go in a SCARECROWK I go, well.

620
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: It's gonna get crazy. Yeah, because we were doing we

621
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,400
were the Wizard of Uh. We were gonna go do

622
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,480
the Wizard of Oz, but we had to find him

623
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:39,559
and so yeah, Trun, I understand that's a sun one.

624
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: Going back a few minutes when we started talking about

625
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,960
the Mom step Mom, the taboo that is there? What

626
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:49,519
is a trend you hope takes off next, something that

627
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:52,480
you actually really really like, Like you like this now,

628
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,880
I understand that, But is there yea elsewhere you're like, yo, shit,

629
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:59,759
if that takes off, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna

630
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:02,200
be rilled for the next x amount of years.

631
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:08,639
Speaker 2: Mm. Well, there's really good question. I would like to

632
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:14,039
see old classic movie sets and film to come back.

633
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,480
I think that that we have cheapened it a bit

634
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:24,079
by meaning the theatrics and the performances and the big

635
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:28,519
stars are just not not there anymore. So I would

636
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,400
like to see that cycle back around, and hopefully it does.

637
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:37,079
We have have had a lot of restrictions and things

638
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,480
that we have to battle to get there. We're always

639
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,000
very resourceful and we find a way to keep it going.

640
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,159
But that's definitely died down.

641
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: Sure, what are some of the things that are on

642
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,760
your no list?

643
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,079
Speaker 2: Then?

644
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,559
Speaker 1: What are some times there.

645
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: We go.

646
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so it would be it's the vomit shit,

647
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,599
you know, it's funny.

648
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: Wait, let me interrupt you. I used to do a

649
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,920
game run down the I used to do a game

650
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,039
like this called sack Shit Animals Kids, and it was

651
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,719
oh because I would ask what is something that you

652
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,239
wouldn't shoot a scene for blah blah blah, and inevitably

653
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,280
women would always go like, well, I wouldn't suck a

654
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,400
kid and be like, yeah, no, I know that that

655
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,719
one's good. So we just take those out of the equation. Yeah,

656
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:22,920
there's animals.

657
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:24,599
Speaker 2: Kids, Yeah, yeah, this takes those out. But you know,

658
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,199
there's a site that's for like come haters, the women

659
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,880
that hate Come. But I can't even bring myself to

660
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,679
do that site because they have to come in my mouth,

661
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,840
like for me to show how much I hate it,

662
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,719
and I can't. I can't bring myself to do it.

663
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,199
So that's a big one that would be. That's no.

664
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:45,760
That's pretty much usually my no. And I don't want

665
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,960
marks on me. I'm not I don't do I'll humiliate

666
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:51,639
the shit out of someone, but I don't want it

667
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,119
done to me. I just like want to punch them

668
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,800
in the dick instead when they like even if it's

669
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,719
role playing, I'm just like, it just doesn't with me.

670
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,079
It's funny because I'm like a lot more submissive. I

671
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,239
think I don't really know because when I had sex forever,

672
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,800
but in real life it's kind of like, I don't know.

673
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,159
I'm just saying I don't like it when I'm feeling

674
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,800
and if someone gets dominant with me, it just makes

675
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,920
me want to put them in their place. But it

676
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:23,920
also I think it's relinquishing a little bit of control

677
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,559
when you're that vulnerable. So I give it to the

678
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,480
ones that are submissive. I really do that that takes

679
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:33,159
a lot to just give in like that, like it's

680
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,880
it's difficult for me. So anything that's more humiliating, you know,

681
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,159
humiliating or just like like why do you want me

682
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,440
to do that? Like why do you want to hit me?

683
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:46,239
Or piss all over me? Or But then again, there

684
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,599
are those who are perfectly fine with that. So there's

685
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,079
as long as it's two that are cool with it,

686
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,280
there shouldn't be any judgment by anybody about it. It's

687
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,039
just not something maybe that I would do. Sure, you know,

688
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,000
and a lot of people to get the mommy rolled

689
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:04,280
whatsoe have they just started No, no, no, that's gross.

690
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,559
I have gives no, no, no, it's just so misunderstood.

691
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:11,800
But that's okay too. Sure, Well, the labeling on it

692
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,239
makes it valuable, Yeah for sure. Yeah, but it's it's

693
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,119
the labeling on it which is necessary and required, Like

694
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:21,400
I have to know this is a mommy step mommy

695
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,079
type situation, otherwise I'm not going to watch it. Why not?

696
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: I Well, if I'm looking for that fetish, I need

697
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,559
to know what it is. I'm saying. If I were, yeah,

698
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,599
yeah I would. I had a debate one time, not

699
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:37,199
a real debate, but with a performer about categories, and

700
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,880
she was totally against it. And I totally understood her

701
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,480
point too. It was mostly about performers of color. How

702
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:49,280
establishing them in other categories or calling this interracial or

703
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,639
whatever es sense could be negative towards them. But I

704
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:55,199
thought I made a compelling point that if you group

705
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,920
everything under hot Lady, right, isn't the top ten percent

706
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,280
of the industry with the biggest following then going to

707
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:07,440
dominate all of that type of stuff?

708
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: Well, we do niche it, Yeah, and you don't want

709
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,119
to go through every I guess that would leave it

710
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:15,480
open to that you would have to search through every

711
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,280
video to find your niche. But also you have to

712
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,679
remember back in the day when they you would buy

713
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,199
the porn, you would want to know what you're buying.

714
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,920
But I do see them backing off the BBC, the

715
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:33,679
anti rate, you know, the IR And I think she's

716
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,840
got a point. And when it comes to that particular

717
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,039
instance like that, that makes sense to me. I believe

718
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:45,079
that to be true. But I noticed they've backed off

719
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:45,800
that quite a bit.

720
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe that's a good thing. It's probably a

721
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,119
good thing. I think it's good morally. I just worry

722
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:57,199
about the repercussions of Morley. Yeah, I think it's a

723
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,800
good thing to do now, not kell like all right,

724
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,199
so why are we not categorizing people like that?

725
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:08,039
Speaker 2: But it's not even it's just that one in particular,

726
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:12,159
I think is more like singled out and it does

727
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,719
limit them. That's just from my own perception. But there

728
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,199
is nothing moral about porn like that word that shouldn't like,

729
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,400
no moral about porn.

730
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,599
Speaker 1: Okay, let me let me say that you're you're exactly right,

731
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:32,199
But let me say that I say I'm running one

732
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:34,960
of the big tube sites, right, Okay, someone comes to me,

733
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,800
a young African American performer and she says, I really

734
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,239
think it's terrible that people are categorized in this way.

735
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,199
That I'm stuck under ebony or whatever it would be. Yeah,

736
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:49,800
whatever the category as a person who can empathize with

737
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,400
this person and understand where they're coming from and everything else,

738
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,360
the morally right decision for me as a person just

739
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,519
seeing this other performer as a person and understanding their play,

740
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:03,039
I get it. No, there's no no actual morals, but

741
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:05,599
I just mean when I said that, I meant morally

742
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,000
like making the right decision as a human and not

743
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,719
necessarily as a business person or a producer.

744
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: I was going to say, this is about money, though,

745
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,000
you got to, you know, let's scale it back to

746
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,199
what it's really about. So of course you're going to

747
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,719
Everybody gets put into their category of where they make money.

748
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,360
So the fans put us in those categories, those niches

749
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,960
I was put into them. I would have never I

750
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,480
didn't even watch porn beforehand, So that's another shocker besides

751
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,320
that kind of shocker, you know, but it's a shocker

752
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,519
like I was like, what the is this? And they

753
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:43,840
started calling me that, and then it's I had I

754
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,119
had a producer from Angel from XCS network. He's a

755
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:51,440
good one, but he wanted to do a mommy daughter

756
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,519
daddy role play. And I was like, I can't do this,

757
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:57,199
Like I'm not going to do that, like this girl

758
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,639
looks like she's eight, Like I'm not going to do that.

759
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,039
And he was like, listen, you don't have to do it.

760
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:05,280
And he says, but let me explain it to you first,

761
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,280
and he said, you're an actress. You are an actor.

762
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,199
You are performing. You're not really like if we on

763
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,400
the movies, just people who have to do horrible. You know,

764
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,639
they're mass murders, they're childless, but they're all kinds of

765
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,079
roles and on the internet, you know, but they're not

766
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,400
that person. So he's like, it's just acting. And I

767
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,199
was like, okay, okay, and so it's like the best

768
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,639
movie I ever did, sure by far. And it was

769
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,559
just sometimes people just need to understand, like step back

770
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,800
for a second and swallow your huh and just go

771
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,880
hold on like that's not what that means and truly

772
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,519
understand that, Like I don't. It's not ancest.

773
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,519
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, it's not.

774
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: And it's not morally right like to be watching I

775
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,639
can talk out of two sides of my face on

776
00:41:55,679 --> 00:42:01,079
this one, because it is hurting our society truemendously. I

777
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:07,159
think it's a definite problem. It is our children have

778
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,920
way too much access to it. Parents aren't watching. It

779
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,800
is the parent's responsibility, but the fact is they're not

780
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,440
watching them or they're not and so us coming together

781
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,079
as a community, you know, the Americans, that we have

782
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,960
to make that decision on how we're going to stop

783
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,880
them because it's affecting them tremendously. Like when I was

784
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,119
growing up, our porn was like National Geographic magazine and

785
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,000
we'd be looking at the sago tits and be like,

786
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:35,719
look at those balls. You know, that was a big

787
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,719
deal to us. But the stuff that they can access

788
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,840
on the internet is shocking to me. Like I still

789
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,400
get shocked. So I don't want I would not want.

790
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: It.

791
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: It's a tough one. So am I contributing to it? Yes?

792
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:56,679
I am so I can two sides of the I'm

793
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:58,679
well aware that I talk out of two sides of

794
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,159
my face with that. It is? Is it the new

795
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:05,760
age verification laws hurting us tremendously as a performer? Yes?

796
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,079
Is it? I believe? You know, your freedom of speech

797
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,960
a freedom of an eighteen year old. You know, an

798
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,840
adult should be able to watch porn, Like, what do

799
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,639
you mean we can't watch it with up turning in

800
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:20,800
our IDs as some third party porn agency. That's a

801
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,159
little sketch, you know. And it's like you don't. Maybe

802
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:26,000
you don't. A lot of people they don't let their

803
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,679
spouse know they watch it. It just goes on and

804
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,119
on of why they should be able to be discreete.

805
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,320
But then on the flip side, you have to buy alcohol,

806
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,119
you got to show your ID, but it doesn't go

807
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,440
into Maybe it does now because they scan it, but

808
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:45,159
it doesn't necessarily go into a sketch system a database.

809
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah that, yes, is vulnerable to hacks or whatever else.

810
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: It's just they definitely, you know, our industry is pushing

811
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,159
for like Google or someone to control that, but not

812
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,440
some random third party that we're going to pay as

813
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:01,960
little as possible to because it is so expensive to

814
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:07,199
implement these laws. It's I don't know, it's something that

815
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,000
it's really like, that's what we've come to. But yes,

816
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:13,119
we have because how else can you identify if the

817
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,880
child's there? Are not sure there's there, I don't you know,

818
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,239
you just have to we have to do something. I

819
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,320
would love to do. The eye scan, biometrics like that

820
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,199
kind of stuff would be reasonable. But in the meantime

821
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,360
it has cut everything, you know, in half as far

822
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,679
as we're always being shut down, always constantly, and we

823
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,400
just we'll find another way. Yeah, you know, you're the

824
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:40,880
little cycle cycle around.

825
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: The first person I've talked to who has been honest

826
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,760
about I love this industry. I love talking to people

827
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,840
in this industry. I think, Yeah, just fascinating to people

828
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,880
in the world. I think you're great, Do I do?

829
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:56,360
I think porn might be pushing too far? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

830
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,920
I think I might. But you know what it does.

831
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,519
Speaker 2: It's not for us to say he though.

832
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:02,039
Speaker 1: No, No, it's not the.

833
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,039
Speaker 2: Joy of being American. That's the joy of having the

834
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,960
freedom of speech and expression. That's the joy. That's what

835
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,519
we're founded on. Is like, but we have technology that

836
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,119
is being used in a way that we have to

837
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:23,239
take preventive measures because it is deeply affecting our future,

838
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,679
meaning the children become adults and they are deeply being

839
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:33,480
affected by If it's not sexual abuse, is pornography, it's

840
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:37,639
something to do with that. That's just they're just seeing

841
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:38,719
the shit too soon.

842
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: Like, I think it might be even a bigger broader

843
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,559
spectrum than that. I think that's a part of it.

844
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:47,920
But I mean the violence people see online. I think

845
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,440
it's Yeah, it's media. I hate need like a seventy

846
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,000
year old man. But I think it's social media. Guys.

847
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: It is one hundred percent media. All media is not.

848
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,880
All media is bullshit. It's all it is. I don't

849
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,519
care if it's the news, I don't care if you

850
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:05,800
want to call it a reliable source. I don't think

851
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,280
we know half of what's going on in this world.

852
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,599
To be honest with you, I think they're always like, look, look,

853
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:13,199
look over here, and they're doing shit over here. I

854
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,320
don't think we have a clue. I don't think we're

855
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,400
privy to it. And they just tell us a bunch

856
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,760
of stories all the time. You know, shit that's going

857
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,519
on that who knows if it actually exists. I think

858
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:30,119
media is the culprit of like absolutely almost every issue

859
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:34,360
that we really have is media, and we have no regulations,

860
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,760
we have no accountability for it. And like, I feel

861
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,760
so strongly about this because I cut off. I don't

862
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,639
watch TV at all. I cut all that crap off.

863
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:48,800
And I'll tell you because it started veering me from

864
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,079
my belief system that I was raised with. And what

865
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:56,440
I was raised with is came from my environment, my

866
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,559
you know, experiences that I have, which are going to

867
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,800
be total different than yours. It's it's gonna be different,

868
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,880
so you're gonna have a different belief system or things

869
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,760
that don't apply to you, you know, may apply to me.

870
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:12,760
You know, if I have a disabled child and you don't,

871
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,800
you don't give a shit, you know what I mean?

872
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,039
It just doesn't. That's how your belief system is built.

873
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,400
And that's where we don't have a lot of respect

874
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,639
for each other of stopping and going wait, they've been

875
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,599
through different shit than I have. There their city or

876
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,800
state is different than mine, so we don't have that issue,

877
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,079
you know. But it started to change my belief system

878
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,000
and it is and it's all it's all bullshit. You

879
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:42,559
try to find something that's legit. We have no legitimate

880
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,920
news sources. They're all one side or the other. They're

881
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,440
all it's just I hear my I hear certain people

882
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,119
my friends that call me with this experim crap like

883
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,280
it's just I feel sorry. It's like I could see

884
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,760
it eating their brain, like it's it affects and people

885
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,639
are going, no, I'm not going to let it affect me.

886
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:05,519
You don't really have a choice. It has that much

887
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:09,639
power it does. It sways you on what you know

888
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,920
is right and wrong or what you believe, and it's

889
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,400
it's just I think it's the evil. Yeah. I am media.

890
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: So I've done a lot of interviews with the hottest

891
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,559
women in the world, and I have never been harder

892
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:26,039
than I am right now. As you described how much

893
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:28,039
you hate the media because I also hate the media.

894
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:30,639
I think it's propaganda. I think it's been that way

895
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:31,519
since the fifties.

896
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, yes, probably I am I'm

897
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,639
not that old, thank god, but it's definitely. I didn't

898
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:45,000
start recognizing it until, like, I had my vehicle stolen

899
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:48,800
from my airport in Denver, and when it was stolen,

900
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,840
they were screwing me on every side of this situation,

901
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:57,320
and I was paying everybody. I paid out thousands of

902
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,760
dollars to the parking, to the toe truck man, to

903
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,039
the impound, you name it. And I'm like that, like

904
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,559
it was stolen from me. So I go to this

905
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:10,920
troubleshooter and he ends up telling me, oh, yeah, we're

906
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,519
gonna go to all these people. We're gonna knock on

907
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:14,320
their doors, call and be like why are you taking

908
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,440
money from this victim? You know this? And that. I'm

909
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,679
like cool, Like even the police, what did you do?

910
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,559
You could have put it in the police impound, but

911
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,000
instead you let it sit like you let a private

912
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:27,320
person take it. It would have been free. So anyways, and

913
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,280
he ends up doing this news story. I'm like, yeah,

914
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,400
let's get him, let's get him. And then he played

915
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,199
it on the news, and I sat there just absolutely

916
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,519
like dumbfounded that it was about. He ended up dubbing,

917
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,599
in my words, to two years ago a law that

918
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:46,039
didn't pass that I know nothing about. I never mentioned it.

919
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:48,519
I don't know, and he was like talking about that,

920
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:52,480
and then I would make a comment that would it

921
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,920
would be like yeah, you know as a victim, Da

922
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,199
da da da dah. And I was like, this man

923
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,800
stood in front of my face, supposed to be the

924
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,880
trouble the truth finder, the trouble shooter. And that's when

925
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,519
I really understood the depth of how bad the media

926
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:13,519
is because I had nothing to do with that law.

927
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:16,119
I didn't even live in the state at that time. Like,

928
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:18,079
what are you talking about?

929
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: Wherever you are politically? To anybody, just fake news is

930
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:25,039
a thing. Yeah, okay, it has been.

931
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: It's all of them. It's I mean, it's supposed to

932
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,800
go help me, Like I thought this, you know, you

933
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,480
got the troubleshooter on it, and he's gonna go and

934
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:34,360
ring ring ring, What do you do you know? And

935
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,360
it's like this man totally took my story and it

936
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,000
had nothing to do with helping me. It had nothing

937
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:43,880
to do with my story it had to do with

938
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,360
the law that was that didn't path. It's just ridiculous,

939
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,960
Like yeah, and it's like, why did you sit there

940
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,519
and bullshit me? Why didn't you just tell me that's

941
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:55,800
what it was about? Like why didn't we just do that?

942
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,119
I'd be like, oh, at least I could read the law.

943
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,679
So anyways, And that's when I really realized how bad

944
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:04,119
it was.

945
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: Like it's bad, yeah, but I'm not gonna I won't

946
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,760
bring up mine on here because it's too political. But

947
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:12,079
it was a political thing where I was like, that's

948
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,280
not that. I know it's not that, and yet I'm

949
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,400
being told this is that and it's.

950
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: Not and yeah, and they literally I mean not to

951
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,480
get too far into it, but like Trump is such

952
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,360
a performer, like he is an absolute stage show. Like

953
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,599
he is he's one of like best performers there is,

954
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:34,199
because all he does is does a dance over here.

955
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,639
Everybody looks at it that way watch him do. He's

956
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,400
such a horrible dancer. He's this and that and and

957
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,159
they're really over here doing ten other things and he's

958
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:47,159
the performer. And it's like we're just so sucked into

959
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,119
it and it's damaging it's it's done a lot of

960
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,159
I think a lot of damage to our family units

961
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,960
are side. It's just gone as shit, maybe, and I

962
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,679
contribute to it in more ways than one. So I'm

963
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,519
not try trying to say that I am, by any

964
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:03,760
means not a contributor.

965
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: I am, you know what the can I can I

966
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:07,920
try and give you a little cover on that one there,

967
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,320
because yeah, it doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like

968
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:16,199
you produce stuff. That would, you know, disgust me from

969
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,320
a twenty twenty five sensibility. It sounds like you produce stuff,

970
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,159
or you want to produce stuff, or you like being

971
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,119
a part of stuff. That's more of the you know,

972
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:26,199
in two thousand and four, when I was sneaking into

973
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,199
a used trade a tape fucking DVD shops so whatever

974
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:33,440
lady would sell me at it for when I was

975
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,119
sixteen years old or whatever. Jesus, you know we shouldn't

976
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,679
say that, but yeah, she works at a Walmart now.

977
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,280
She hassled me a couple of weeks ago anyway about

978
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,800
a receipt. I don't I personally. I'll just say this

979
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,840
and you can feel however you want to feel from

980
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,400
the outside perspective. You sound like you don't delve into

981
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,679
the stuff, that he's pushing it too far, because there

982
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,760
has been for a long time. You know how many.

983
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:59,039
Speaker 2: People are against what the mommy role play.

984
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,639
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe that yes me, so see.

985
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: How you say that. And at the flip side, no,

986
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:08,519
I'm actually diving into these people don't understand it, which

987
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:13,719
is fair. But I do dive into that very much so.

988
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,639
But your perception is not necessarily that. So I do

989
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,519
talk out of both sides of my face when it

990
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:22,480
comes to that. And I really don't have an excuse

991
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:28,679
for uh saying it's bad and then doing exactly what's

992
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,000
bad in my in my own belief system, I don't

993
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:36,880
justify it. I'm just a character over here and I'm

994
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,800
I don't just I don't think there is a justification

995
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,440
for it. I guess I believe, not believe. But it's

996
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:49,559
done me in my world and my family more than

997
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:54,480
I could ever ever ask for. So I'm good with that.

998
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:57,239
It sits well with me. I fucked up in life.

999
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,280
I didn't go to college right away. I had kids

1000
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,880
to you early, like all that stuff, and it's just

1001
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,320
it's done. It picked up the pieces where I desperately

1002
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,840
needed pieces picked up. So it's it's done me right

1003
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:18,199
in so many ways that I'll gladly contribute to it

1004
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:23,199
because it's going on anyways, and I have to block

1005
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,280
that out of my mind. I have to just block

1006
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,639
out the fact that it's not necessarily something I think

1007
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:29,159
is good.

1008
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:38,519
Speaker 1: Hey, I can respect while I yeah, right, I can

1009
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,119
respect though taking a step back and realizing it because

1010
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:43,599
I'm doing it too. I'm having conversations and I'm not

1011
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:46,760
producing porn porn, but I'm you know, I'm engaging in

1012
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:47,320
the community.

1013
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: I just glorifying it.

1014
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:52,679
Speaker 1: I am to an extent, But conversations like this, deep

1015
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,239
stuff like that, which I rarely get, is a great insight.

1016
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,400
Let me ask you this one last question. Then we've

1017
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,599
really got to wrap this up, okay, because I've been

1018
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:03,679
asking performers this for a long time and it's so

1019
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,000
interesting to response because it old piggisback, piggybacks on what

1020
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,239
we just said there. What should be the age that

1021
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,320
a girl is allowed to get into porn?

1022
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,039
Speaker 2: Definitely twenty one to twenty five eighty. You shouldn't be

1023
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,559
able to not go to the bar or drink at

1024
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,079
the event that you're naked at I think that's so

1025
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,119
it's bizarre that it's that way. But I definitely believe

1026
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:28,280
twenty one and older.

1027
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: That every performer I've talked to has come to eat

1028
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,239
by far. Girls who got in at eighteen, who oh yeah,

1029
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,880
I see them now and they go, yeah, twenty they

1030
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,519
I believe they would twenty one is what kind of

1031
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:42,079
the general thing. But we also have the argument, not argument,

1032
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:44,400
but a discussion that there are some eighteen year olds

1033
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,920
who are so much more mature than some forty year olds.

1034
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: It's not about maturity, though, it's about your brain is

1035
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:53,320
not developed at a level that can handle the seriousness

1036
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,760
of what you're doing. Sure, it's just not it's not.

1037
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,119
It's too your brain's still grown. Yes, why you don't

1038
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:03,599
put alcohol in into it? And so it's done growing? Like,

1039
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,639
but we can send you to war. That's that's a

1040
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,440
killer too. That's a killer. I that one I can't yeah, yeah,

1041
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,440
yees yeah now yeah. So definitely above twenty one, I

1042
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,960
would say twenty five, I think you need more, even

1043
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,519
more growth than you do with alcohol, even though alcohols

1044
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:30,000
the double two. But you know, alcohol media orn you know,

1045
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,880
totally fair going to him, I'm going.

1046
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: Yes for the evening.

1047
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,599
Speaker 2: It's been great.

1048
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: Make sure you hit up the of at Lily Craven

1049
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,039
and follow all the social media in the episode description,

1050
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,519
bare minimum you could do is follow these folks on

1051
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:47,639
social media. It cost you nothing. You might as well

1052
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:50,840
throw it out there. Yeah, step, paycheck came in. You're

1053
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,880
feeling good. Wow, I got a little bit of money.

1054
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,559
Head over to the of Yes, you know. Just engage

1055
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:00,719
with these people, the performers. They perform for you, make

1056
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,960
sure you support them on the back end. Lily, thank

1057
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,880
you so much for your time this evening.

1058
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: Thank you, This has been awesome.