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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves.

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Speaker 2: All right, we get ready for the first weekend in October,

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a little lighter weekend again in terms of fights, but

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we are here nonetheless kind of in the preview mode.

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Speaker 1: We got a.

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Speaker 2: Former two division world champ actually in a conversation with

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Dan Rayfield. We're gonna play, We've got fight news and

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much more. It is the Big Fight Weekend preview podcast.

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I am the somewhat competent host TJ Reeves, Hello, Big

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Dan Rayfield. Always good to be back with you in

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a new month. There we say, the last quarter of

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the year, and we promise peeps, the more noteworthy fights

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are coming. There are some fights coming. It's a lean

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time right now, but we're gonna be here. We're gonna

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do our best.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: We got to say up front, first of all.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you, yes, sir, and we're ready

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to go over the news and everything else that's happening.

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Fulfill that. On some there's not a lot to go over.

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But Sunday we're gonna be nostalgic. You and I love

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the nostalgia because it's the fiftieth anniversary of Ali Fraser three,

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The Thrill in Manila. So on Sunday, we're gonna put

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out a full retro on that on the YouTube page

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and on this podcast feed. So that'll suffice for the

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weekend show coming off the week We do what we

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can to be there for the savages, right, we always

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have for the last three plus years we've been doing this,

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So we'll have something there even if it's not a

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bountyful let's say, weekend of Action in the Ring. All right,

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So there's there's the pledge to the peeps. Uh, thank

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you for finding us on the pod feed, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify.

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Make sure you're following subscribing. Go to the YouTube page

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and make sure you're subscribed and you're liking us. There.

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Speaker 1: Great conversation, no exaggeration.

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Speaker 2: With Mark Kriegel, long form, hour long conversation about his

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new Mike Tyson book that is out now, Baddest Man,

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The Making of Mike Tyson, You and I One More Time,

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Let's play. You and I thoroughly enjoyed talking to him.

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Great stories about the rise of Tyson in the eighties.

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That's what the theme of the.

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Speaker 1: Book is about. How did we get there.

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Speaker 2: How did we get to rise in the destruction of

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Michael Spinks that was the zenith of his career.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead and no, we also discussed Canelo and conference

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since he was part of that Netflix broadcasting.

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Speaker 2: Correct that at the beginning, and then a lot on

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Tyson and the Nostalgias to go find that on the

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YouTube page and again.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday Eve.

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Speaker 2: On Sunday Eve, you will get the nostalgic segment first

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on YouTube about Ali Fraser three and the end of

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Muhammad Ali's of the greatest run in the year subsequent

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to that, So get it on YouTube and then it

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will be on this podcast feed much later in the night.

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Two for one on that two ways to find it

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and hear it. But see us first with the moving

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pictures there. All right, So the loan about to really

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preview is a junior middleweight world title fight in Lilistrom, Norway.

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I mean, we go all over the globe and Emma

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Cozen is defending the WBCWBO Women's Junior Lightweight Championships. But

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the bigger name is Cecilia Break. Whose Break? Who's who

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is the Hall of Fame fighter to be? Who was

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the Women's undisputed welterweight champion, held at least a portion

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or the undisputed title for twenty five consecutive defenses. She

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is in the ring one more time in a title fight,

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and this is essentially her farewell picking up on that

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dan on all the nostalgia in and around her as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, she's been a great fighter, and you know

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she came along a little bit too late to join

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the crowd of the of the of the top women today.

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in her heyday, she would compete with with all the

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top women that we talk about today, whether it's Katie Taylor,

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Amanda Serano, Mikhaela Mayer. You know that she's too small,

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probably for Claire so Shields, but you understand my points.

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of the sport. But she was a great fighter, a

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master technician, very popular. The reason why this fight is

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in Lilla Stram, Norway, is because that's her home country,

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is Norway, and this is her announced farewell fight. She's

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certainly not getting any younger. She is forty four years old,

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and so she's going after one more time. You mentioned

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she held the welterweight title or a piece of it

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for a very long time. She made twenty five defenses

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of either a singular belt or of the undisputed title

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in women's boxing. That's a record, and as a matter

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of fact, it matches the record for men, which is

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Joe Lewis. So I mean it's obviously different. I'm not

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trying to say she's joelais different, but in terms of

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the record's per gender, the female record or the male

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record are the same. She's on that level in women's

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boxing history. That's how good she's been for so long.

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lost rounds, yeah, in her fights, and I think a

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lot of people that watched her in America didn't really

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much until she was sort of on her best days,

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like she had, for example, a fight on HBO near

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the end, that sort of thing. So she's been out

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of the ring now for about fourteen months, and so

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she's taking on cos And who also, by the way,

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hasn't fought for the last couple of years. Even though

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she won those two vacant titles in her previous fight.

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fighter also, just we haven't seen her in a while,

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even more so than it's been since Cecilia was in

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the ring. So it's the farewell fight. She's gonna see

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if she can win a title in the second way

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class to see her way out the door. So she

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obviously was Walter Way champs. She can now win two

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of the belts at junior middleweight. And I'm sure they'll

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have a great crowd there at the big Arena in

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Lila Strom and she'll she'll go to go to battle

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one more time.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't mention this UFC Fight Pass has the

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bout in the United States if you want to watch it.

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It's not just the fact that she won the twenty

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five title defenses in a row, but amazingly she was

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able to make the weight for the better part of

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twelve years in the same division.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just making the comparison.

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Speaker 2: If you're fighting, obviously at heavyweight, you can fluctuate between

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five or ten pounds and it doesn't really thirty pounds,

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yeah right, but five or ten pounds doesn't matter. Five

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or ten pounds means everything in the smaller weight classes.

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better part of twelve years at the highest level. That's

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amazing conditioning. I'm just propping that up as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what she has left for this fight,

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but it's a nostalgic thing for her.

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Speaker 3: I mean, with this weecond if she's got something and

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even cozen As you know, who's good. Also, if Cecilia's

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got anything left, she should win the fight just on

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her muscle memory if if you ask me, just the experience,

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her technique. She goes into this fight thirty eight wins,

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two losses, one draw, nine knockouts, and if this is

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in fact her last bout, then she will of course

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three years hence be on the Hall of Fame ballot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk a little more about the Hall of

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whenever that comes back around about who's on the list,

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who should.

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Speaker 1: Be on the list. We'll do that in a few

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moments without further delay. Though.

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Speaker 2: For the peeps and the savages, let's bring on a

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former two division world champ as Danny Garcia will headline

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one of the fights on his own Swift Promotions card

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at Barclays Center coming up.

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Speaker 1: This is a farewell to Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: That Garcia is going to talk more about here with

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Dan Rayfield, as you had a chance to speak with

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him recently here. We'll play that conversation right now.

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Speaker 3: But is my great pleasure to welcome to the podcast

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this week. It is none other than the former two

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division world champion, my man who I've been to many

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of your fights, Danny Swift Garcia is back in action. Danny.

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I'll tell the folks what you've got coming up. You're

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going to be taking on New York work Daniel Gonzalez.

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He'll be headlining your own Swift Promotions card at the

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Barclay Center in Brooklyn, take place on October eighteenth. Card's

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gonna stream live for those who want on pay per

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view on millions dot Co. So thank you for doing this.

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I appreciate we'll discuss your role as the fighter and

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as the promoter.

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Speaker 4: This is paying the butt, that's what I know.

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Speaker 3: The here you go. So I wanted to start off

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with because I think when this fight was announcedanding it

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came as maybe a little bit of a surprise to

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some people, because I think a lot of people frankly,

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but I was like, oh, I thought maybe he was

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all done. He gave it a go in the last

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fight thirteen months ago, you moved up to middleweight, you

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challenged Arislandi Lar for the WBA title. You were coming

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off a long layoff even going into that fight, and

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you know, it didn't really quite work out for you.

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You know what I'm like, You know, Danny's got a

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young family, you just had another baby, he had won

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world titles in two divisions. Have their businesses made a

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lot of money. I had a hell of a career,

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and I was like, boy, he's coming back. So my

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question for is what is the motivation for this comeback?

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Speaker 4: You know, the motivation for this comeback is everything you

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just said. You know, my company, my family, the loss

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to Laura, I just can't. I feel like I can't

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in my career that way. I've done too many great things,

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even though he's a great champion and idea to be

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great infl short, but I think everything you just said

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is motivating me to be for this fight, everything you

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just said to my fans, you know, my family and

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me just being running the and it's off being a

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boss and getting my hand raised no matter what. That's

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the most important thing for me.

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Speaker 3: Well, that fight with Laura that you mentioned that took

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place in September of twenty twenty four, and honestly, I

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mean it just seemed like it was a disaster from

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the opening belt it just did not not You just

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were not sharp. You were coming off like a twenty

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six month layoff, fighting at your heaviest weight, obviously fighting

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another talented fighter. And what do you think what was

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what went wrong? Was it? Is it the layoff? Was

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it the way just that.

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Speaker 4: I just think my spirit is a fighter since I

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wasn't in the ring for so long, even in training,

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I just felt like I couldn't get my mind to

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that championship level, that spirit of a fighter you need.

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It just wasn't It just wasn't you know, it wasn't there.

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You know, it just wasn't there. And I tried. I

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tried to fight through it. You know, it just it's

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just one of those days where it's just and unite.

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Speaker 3: Well, did you think, though, when it was all said

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and done, that okay, you know what, I gave an effort.

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Maybe it wasn't my night and I did have a

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great current, So I am going to retire or did

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you always feel like I'm going to come back at

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Speaker 4: No, I knew I was going to come back and

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just do probably do one more fight and promote my

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own next fight, because I've ready been hitting it in

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my interviews that I want to do. I want to

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promote my last fight and kind of just go out

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like that, you know, as a doing my own fight

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I mean, it's like my last fight is like you know,

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the Titanic, my Jack Dawson dies at the end. It's like, damn,

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I didn't want the movie to end like that.

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Speaker 3: Understand that, But yeah, So that's how that's how I feel.

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Speaker 4: It's like the Danny Garcia movie cannot in that way.

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Speaker 3: So your your Swift Promotions is the promoter of this fight. Obviously,

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that's the company that you founded, and they're putting on

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this fight at Barclay Center, which has been the host

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to numerous major fights through the years, including many of

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Danny Garcia's fights. You're obviously from Philadelphia, everybody knows that,

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but Barclay Center has been your I feel like it's

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your your home arena in many ways. You are seven

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and two there as a professional. You obviously hope to

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be eight and two after this October eighteenth fight. The

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two losses were very close and tremendous battles with Keith

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Thurman and Sean Porter. What is that building meant you?

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You opened it for boxing with there we were victory against

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Eric Morales, and you've been synonymous with their boxing program, right.

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Speaker 4: I remember when when I first won the title mens

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Morales and I had to remeasure with him. I really

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wanted to do the fight in Philly. I remember, let me,

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let me come back to Philly and you know and

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do a uh, you know, like a homecoming, and they

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were like, you're fighting Brooklyn. I'm like, I'll find why

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am I finding? You know why? Am I finding Brooklyn?

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I want the fan my titles in Philly first, Yeah,

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and then uh, it's just like an instant marriage, you know.

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I remember that there was like thirteen thousand people in there.

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Is actually the first world title fight ever in Brooklyn,

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and then ever since then, it's just like New York

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has just adopted me.

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Speaker 3: Well, first world title fight in like eighty years or

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something like that. Not the first ever, but at the

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Barclay Center. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was the first

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ever boxing event that they had there. You headlined a

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very big showtime card and besides that, that victory against

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Eric Morales, you knocked him out after having beaten him

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in the first fight, sent this great Hall of Famer

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into retirement. You had several other big wins against top

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quality names in the Barclay Center as well as ab Judah,

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Lamon Peterson, Pauli Malinaji. Obviously the two close losses and

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really great fights against Thurman and uh and Porter. Do

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you have a favorite fight there that you had there

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and why what was doing that?

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Speaker 4: I think my favorite fights at the Barclay is Morales

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because I knocked him out and then Thurman. That was

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a crazy that was an Electro fun fight. You know,

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even though I felt like I probably did enough, but

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it's still like Brooke All type of records at that time,

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and I feel like those were great, great, great fights.

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Speaker 3: Those were definitely big ones. And I have to say though,

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from my perspective having been at those fights, Uh, that

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left hook knock out of Eric Morales in the rematch

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that sent him off into retirement was something spectacular. Plus

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the controversy of course with him coming into that fight

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with the positive drug test that the New York Commission

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allowed him to fight with, So there was a lot

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in the backdrop.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he woke up that they think that I wasn't fighting.

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Speaker 3: You know, I remember talking the night before the fight,

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just coincidentally coming back to my hotel room, running into

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you guys were on the same floor as me and

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the hotel just by coincidence, and running into your father

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who was very distraught about should I let my son

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fight because they for some reason, the commission was leaving

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it up to you know, you guys of what you're

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going to do. So I understand why that was like

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a really big deal that you did fight and get

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that great knockout or one of the many memorable fights

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for your at that building. So, like I said, you

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face a lot of top guys in that building, but

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you've also faced a lot of top names not at

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Barclay Center. You know, you had the great victory by

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knockout to unify titles at junior welterweight against a Mere Khan.

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You had the huge upset decision against Lucas Matisse, who

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was the big boogeyman at that time, big favorite. You

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went on, you beat Robert Guerrero to win the BBC

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welterweight title. I mean, I can go on and on.

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You had a lot of good wins even before you

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were a champion, Nat Campbell, Kendall Holl for example. So

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do you ever think about the prospect, you know, once

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you are all done and it's in retirement, about being

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elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame, which I

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know is you know that is the ultimate for any

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professional Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you know, I thought, I think in

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boxing will make sure Hall of Famer is fighting the best.

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Obviously winning the world titles and becoming a world champion,

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that's one thing. But I think fighters are always remember

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for who they fought at what time, And I fought

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everyone when they wanted me to fight him. I thought

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Keith Thurman when we were both undefeated young guys. I

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fought Amir Khan we were both in our prime. I

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fought Matisai when he was in the time. I mean,

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I fought prime fighters, and when loser draw I always

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came and I gave him all. I sold out arenas,

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I won world titles. I lost some world titles. But

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at the end of the day, I think that's the

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definition of a Hall of famers fighting as wings and

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drug and obviously world titles. And I did that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, you've been doing that your whole career.

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I mean you didn't even mention you guys at GARYL.

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Spence when he was still undefeated. I mean plenty of

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top names. So you just mentioned all these top names

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that you did fight, and it's pretty much the litany

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of the of the best guys in and around. Uh.

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Was there ever a fight that you wanted among the

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bigger names that you didn't get in that career that

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you've had so far.

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Speaker 4: Probably many, or Floyd, I guess I always wanted to

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test my skills against those guys, all time greats. It

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just never happened. But that's probably about it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, those would have been interesting, I suppose at

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that time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sure, So we're we're where now you're going to this fight.

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You're you're thirty seven, You're promoting this fight with Daniel Gonzalez.

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It's being billed as farewell to Brooklyn. Now I know.

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Notice that it's not farewell to boxing. It's farewell to Brooklyn,

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which is obviously in reference to all the great matchups

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that you've had at Barclay Center. So is it in

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your mind that if everything goes well, that you are

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going to carry on, maybe we'll have a farewell to

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Theffilly or whatever where where you're thinking this is really

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the end of the line.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you one thing. It's a eighty of what

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this is my last fight?

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Speaker 3: What's the fifteen percent on the other fifteen percent?

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Speaker 4: Because I'm a fighter, Just because I'm a fighter, and

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you know, you go in there and knock somebody out.

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Now you're feeling all good again. Your name's buzzing. They're

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saying this, They're saying that the phone might ring. But

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I feel like I've done so much in boxing, you know,

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I still want to keep I don't want to be

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one of those fighters. He just keeps fighting and keeps fighting.

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You know, at the end of the day, I got

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I gotta worry about my health too, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I get the impression, Danny that some guys, look,

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let's just be honest, some guys come back as they

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need the money. I get the impression that Danny Garcia

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is not in dire knee of like the financial I mean,

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if the money is great, don't get me wrong, but

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I can't.

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Speaker 4: Imagine like extra money, good money, you know.

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Speaker 3: But right, but this isn't like this is not a

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mega fight that's paying millions and millions.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing this fight for the money. I'm doing this

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because I want to win and I want to promote

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my own own company, you know. So I'm doing this

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for the love of the sport. How many fighters can

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say they've done that, and yeah, So I'm just doing

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this fight right here because I want to win. That's

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I'm just a I love winning and I want to

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go out on my hand raised.

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Speaker 3: So if you do that and it does go your way,

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and you have that great moment where you know, they

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say in the winter, Danny Garcia and you've done this

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in front of a nice crowd, in front of the

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arena that you call home. Uh, can you just walk away?

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Or like what would it what would it take you

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to bring you back to do something else?

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Speaker 4: I mean, if I look great, but if I look

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like I won, but it's just like you know it

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wasn't Danny Garcia, then it's like, you know, I don't

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want to you know, it depends how I win. But

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the way, the way I'm training is ah, I feel

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like I'm gonna have a great night. I feel like

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I've had a great now. I feel good. I mean

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everything that takes longer for me to recover, that's about it.

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But everything else I still I'm still good. I'm still sure.

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Speaker 3: So you're coming off, like I said about a thirteen

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month layoff, and I wonder, what are you expecting from Gonzales?

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Obviously you your opponent is across the ring. You got

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to deal with him. He has a good record, He's

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fought some good guys but lost him like a Chris

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Alger for example, Chris Algery for example, a former world champion,

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He'll also be moving up and wait to fight you.

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So what is it about Gonzales that that you looked

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at and said, that's the guy I should fight. Like,

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what are you expecting for him to bring to the

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ring after then the desire to put a great name

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like Danny Garcia on his record.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know I sparred him before for Sean

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Porter about seven years ago, and I remember he's a

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guy that worked hard but never got the exposure. And

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I say, look, I don't mind sharing the ring, giving

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a guy some exposure. And you do good against Danny Garcia,

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you know, it might change your life, might get you

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some bigger fights. But just giving somebody the opportunity, you know,

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on my night to try to shine against me, and

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some fighters never get the opportunity. And I know how

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I feel. So he's a guy who with a solid record,

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comes to fight, he's in great shape, and I feel

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like it's gonna it's gonna be a good fight. It's

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a good fight for me.

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Speaker 3: So we talked a lot about the accomplishments that you've had,

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the great matchups you've had, the fact that you fought everybody,

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been a long career, done a lot of great things

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in it. Is there one thing that you're most proud

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of in the course of this eighteen year career.

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Speaker 4: You know, the most I'm proud of is just being

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a world champion and listening to my father Andrew Garcia,

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being a good listener, and just investing my money and

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just you know, I'm blessed and just now I'm just

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happy to have my own promotion and try to help

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other fighters. But I'm proud of a lot of things.

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I'm really proud of myself listening, you know, because this

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is really you get to a certain level where it's

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like you think you know it though, and they got

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to have you got to have some type of discipline

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to listen. So I feel like me making it this

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farest because I listened to my father.

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Speaker 3: You know, he asked you, how excited is Angel will

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get back in action? I mean, you know, because he's

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gone along as you've gone along. It's not like he

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has this big stable of fighters he trains. Uh, he's

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been out of the action as a trainer. Now, I

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guess for a while since you haven't been fighting. So

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is he as pumped up as this for this as

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you are?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's excited. You know. Andreel had a stroke last year,

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so it took him. It took him some time to

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get back. He's still getting better, but he loves boxing.

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This is what's keeping him alive. He's boxing, so this

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is he he loves going to the gym, you know,

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is what I've been doing since I was a kid.

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So this is making him stronger as well, you know,

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keeping him sharp, keeping him in the game with the

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young guys in the gym. And he just loves boxing.

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It's just when you think about Andrew garciad just think

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about boxing, because that's that's all he cares about.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that he's doing okay. After the Oh, that's

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great to hear. I've been doing this covering boxing for

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twenty six years, almost twenty six years Danny, and of

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all the fighters I have covered, I've gone back and

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I've tracked this to some degree. I've been ringside for

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more Danny Garcia fights than just by any boxer in

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that time period, I believe. Well, I was at the

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Laara fight. I think that was my twenty fifth of

473
00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:27,759
your fights I've been ringside for, including your professional debut.

474
00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:31,039
I was at when you won the title one forty,

475
00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:34,799
when you beat Matisse, both the Judah Spans Porter. I

476
00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:36,559
want to know, do I get a prize.

477
00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. Listen, I got you. I think

478
00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,279
of something. I'll think of something for sure. For being

479
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on my side and covering all my fights, that's a journey.

480
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,319
That's a lot of hard work.

481
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Speaker 3: Tell me that. I appreciate it.

482
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,519
Speaker 4: And you know, you take a lot of criticism. We

483
00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:53,400
all do, but it's a part of being who you are.

484
00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:56,559
Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, that was just sort of little joke there

485
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to wrap things up. I appreciate it, No, you do.

486
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Speaker 4: I mean he deserves a lot of I think the

487
00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,279
media does deserve a lot of credit because without the media,

488
00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:08,839
now me knowing everything, you can't really have fighters. There's

489
00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:11,039
no way for them to get out there. So the

490
00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,960
media plays a big play in boxing. It's good or bad.

491
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:19,680
Hear that they ain't talking about you, you ain't doing

492
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,039
something right, So that is true.

493
00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 3: I suppose. Yeah, well, all right. October eighteenth, Danny Garcia

494
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,440
back in the ring against Daniel Gonzalez. Danny had been

495
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,920
a pleasure. I wish you the best of luck in

496
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,359
the fight him. We'll have to wait and see what

497
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,559
happens with that fifteen percent possibility of fighting after this.

498
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 4: Thanks Dan, I appreciate you.

499
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 3: Bet, good luck to you for sure.

500
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: All right, again, we remember this guy in and around

501
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:46,960
the big showdowns, especially at welterweight that he was also

502
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,720
having with the likes of Sean Porter, Keith Thurman, those

503
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,240
different guys. Tell me a little more about talking to him,

504
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,599
and it's a couple of weeks from now that he

505
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,440
does this Farewell to Brooklyn card October eighteenth.

506
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Speaker 3: I mean, Danny is his member. He remembered for the

507
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,799
battles you mentioned because they were bigger events, let's say,

508
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:05,960
against Thurman and Porter particularly, but he was at his

509
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,640
absolute best when he was the dominating champion at junior welterweight,

510
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,839
where he knocked out him mere cont to unified titles

511
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,000
and had the massive upset that we discussed in the

512
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:17,440
interview against Lucas Matisse and you know, a slightly over

513
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,359
the weight fight that should have been a unification fight,

514
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,920
but nonetheless they were the two best junior welterweights at

515
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,640
the time. When he defeated Lamon Peterson. I asked him

516
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,920
about the potential for Hall of Fame. He believes his

517
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,920
Hall of Famer. I think Danny Garcia has a very

518
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,160
good chance to be a Hall of Famer based on

519
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:35,799
the caliber of wins, he has the domination of one

520
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,599
hundred and forty and the bigger names that he fought

521
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,079
throughout his career, and so he's trying to give it

522
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,799
one more go. He said farewell to Brooklyn, as we discussed,

523
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,079
not necessarily the farewell to boxing. But we'll see what.

524
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,519
You know, it's going to depend that, he said, on

525
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,799
how he feels coming out of the fight on the eighteenth.

526
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So I've always enjoyed watching Danny fight and always been

527
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,000
one of the good guys in my mind. And I'll

528
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,599
see what he's got left. It's been a little while

529
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,599
since has been in the ringing. You know, never easy

530
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:01,000
to come back off a long way off when you

531
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,240
haven't been at the top for a little bit.

532
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,799
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some updates and some news.

533
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: The update first is the Hall of Fame ballot is

534
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:12,480
out for the upcoming twenty twenty six right, the Hall

535
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,240
of Fame class. All right, So tell I know you're

536
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,079
big into this as a voter. Tell the audience real quick,

537
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,160
a little more about the ballot, go ahead.

538
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: So the ballot was released on October first, So that

539
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,599
was earlier this week when the Hall of Fame announced

540
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:28,039
the people that were added to the ballot. I have

541
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,240
not gotten my and I don't think anybody has yet,

542
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,880
because we're only a couple of days later. They send

543
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,400
out the paper ballots to the elector. So I suspect

544
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,279
that I will receive my actual paper ballots because I

545
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,880
vote in most of the categories in the next future.

546
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: I tell you that I still love the old school

547
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,000
that they send a paper ballot, that it's not all

548
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,240
just digital electronics, send an email and fill out the email. Well,

549
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,960
I say bravo to the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

550
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:50,839
They still go to school.

551
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 3: I think the Baseball of Fame still gets a paper ballot. Also,

552
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,799
I mean I like it. Nothing wrong with that.

553
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: I know for a fact.

554
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,839
Speaker 2: The Heisman Trophy doesn't send a paper ballot. You do

555
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:01,160
it electronically now, because guys that vote for it have

556
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,960
told me in the past you usually.

557
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:04,599
Speaker 1: Have to do it through a log in and an email.

558
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,119
And let's just say.

559
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: That I've talked to more than one of them that

560
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,480
have forgotten and haven't gotten into the system and voted.

561
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,920
The former Heisman winners can vote, so not everybody does.

562
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: But I like the Heisman, don't they have like a

563
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:16,160
thousand people vote for the hind.

564
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: Yes.

565
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,839
Speaker 3: Well, and when it comes to like baseball and boxing,

566
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,799
you're talking. The Boxing Hall of Fame is elected by probably,

567
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,079
like you know, under two hundred electors. The Baseball of

568
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,200
Fame is I think a little like what about maybe

569
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,400
a few like three or four hundred voter that right,

570
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,720
So I like the paper ballot, I take the picture,

571
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:35,960
I fill it out, I sign it.

572
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,599
Speaker 1: You know, so we don't have the paper ballot yet,

573
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,599
but give us a date.

574
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: Go right, Well, that the paper ballot will have the newcomers,

575
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,680
but it will still have the guy could go back

576
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,240
and look at the old ballots and who didn't get

577
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,599
elected last year, that those won't change. These are just additions.

578
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

579
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,559
Speaker 3: They basically take out the folks that were elected last

580
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:55,359
year and add in you know, various names per category,

581
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,200
but the big one, the marquee category, the one that

582
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,960
most people talk about, is the modern men's category. Those

583
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,400
are the top men's fighters that we all know and

584
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,240
have covered and watched for years. So and they add

585
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,480
three to the ballot each year. Sometimes it's fored depending

586
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,039
on if there is a tie in the previous year

587
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:14,200
or something along those lines. So the three new people

588
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,839
that are being added, and this is always what creates

589
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:21,599
the most conversation and discussion. Ganadi Gluffkin, Triple G now

590
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,680
out of the ring three years, so that's the time frame.

591
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,119
For a long time. It was five years, but now

592
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,119
three years. So Triple G is on the ballot. In

593
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,640
my opinion, he'll be an automatic selection. I don't I mean,

594
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,279
if you don't know, I don't think you know anything

595
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:36,599
about boxing, you should have your fucking card taken away.

596
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,519
That's just me. So he's on the ballot for the

597
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,759
first time. You know, tied the all time record for

598
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:47,039
twenty consecutive middleweight title defenses, fought everybody of his time

599
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,480
that would fight him because he was one of the

600
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,119
most avoided fighters that there was, you know. And it's

601
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,960
unfortunate he didn't get the victory officially against Canelo Alvarez

602
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,880
that he deserved in the first fight that they had,

603
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,920
because that would certainly have changed the opinions. I think

604
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,920
of a lot of people, they forget that he got

605
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,680
really badly ripped off that night. But anyway, so he's

606
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,319
the biggest name, and then the two other ones are

607
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,599
a little bit of a throwback. This is a man

608
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,359
that I have campaigned to be on I'm not saying

609
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,039
I'm gonna vote for him. I haven't made up my mind,

610
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,279
but I have campaign relentlessly for years to have this

611
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,200
person on the ballot. When I was in Las Vegas

612
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,720
at the Canelo Alvarez Terence Crawford fight, at an opportunity

613
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,680
to in person sit and talk with Ed Brophus, the

614
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,519
executive director of the Hall of Fame. And for years

615
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:30,039
and years they've always canvassed me to ask my opinions,

616
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:33,039
not myself only, but others also, and I do usually

617
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:34,839
either on a phone call or by email. But it

618
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,000
was good to sit and talk to him in person,

619
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:41,319
and I once again made the plea, if you will,

620
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:42,920
And I hope that that was part of the reason

621
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,640
why he's finally on the ballot for all these years,

622
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,640
it's taken. And that's Vernon Forest, who was a tremendous fighter.

623
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,000
He has, you know, a great talent level. The United

624
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,279
States Olympian beat Shane Mosey, who was the number one

625
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,119
pound for pound boxer in the world at that time,

626
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:00,519
in a big upset to win the title. That welterweight

627
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,079
beat him again in the immediate rematch, had one of

628
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:04,559
the best jabs you'll ever see in the in the

629
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:08,200
sport and just was a tremendous fighter. Two division world

630
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,240
champion at welterweight, also at junior middleweight. Actually when he

631
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,079
fought Sugar Shane Mosey in the first fight, it should

632
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:14,759
have been a unification fight because he had won the

633
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:17,359
IVF title, but because as we can say, he going

634
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,720
all the way back then the IVF doing IBF things,

635
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,480
he was basically forced to vacate because it was either

636
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:26,720
take millions of dollars to challenge Shane for the WBC

637
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,880
title or defend his IBF title for like you know,

638
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,920
I don't know, a bagged lunch or something like that

639
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,279
against Michelle Piccherillo. So he took the big money in

640
00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:38,720
the big HBO spot at Madison Square Garden and he

641
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,000
went there and he kicked the shit out of Sea.

642
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:42,759
Speaker 1: You've talked about that in the past, yep, yep.

643
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: And the other one is the two division world champion,

644
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,079
very popular fighter from the UK, Steve Collins, who's got

645
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,759
you know, a thirty six and three record, tangled with

646
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:52,960
a lot of those top guys of the day. That's Irish.

647
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,559
Speaker 1: Stevie Collins am I right.

648
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,279
Speaker 3: There, you go. You know, I never never got a

649
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,599
chance to fight some guys, you know Roy Jones, people

650
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,839
talked about him fighting him as some point did happen.

651
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,960
I'm not so sure that would have gone well for him.

652
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:05,839
But Steve is a guy that you know, he they're

653
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,680
they're kind of making up because guys like Collins and

654
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,319
Vernon haven't been in boxing for years and years and years.

655
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,680
Obviously Vernon passed away many years ago, but was a

656
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,880
tremendous fighter at the time.

657
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,119
Speaker 2: But the phrase is they deserve consideration, considerate, not that

658
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,079
they're necessarily locks to get in. They deserve to be

659
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:26,119
discussed and considered.

660
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,039
Speaker 3: But Stevie Collins, you know, he's got two knockout victories

661
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,799
against Nigel ben Uh, He's got i know, two victories

662
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,640
against Chris Ubank, who both have been on the ballot

663
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,240
for many years. So and he won titles in two

664
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:40,920
way classes. So it's hard for me to understand why

665
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,799
he wouldn't be.

666
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,519
Speaker 1: Why he wouldn't be considered.

667
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the ballot. Like I said, so those are

668
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:49,640
the three newcomers to the men's ballot, and obviously that's

669
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,720
going to create a lot of conversations and if you

670
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:53,720
run through some of the other ballots, uh, you know

671
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,200
once again uh. In terms, they have women's who are

672
00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,720
up for consideration. Nayoka Fijoka from Japan. You have Christina Hammer,

673
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,279
who people I think know a little bit because she

674
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,039
did fight years ago. Claressa Shields, Jackie Nava from Mexico

675
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,039
who was a top fighter from her day, you have.

676
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,759
They also do the early years old timer ballot, which

677
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,880
is people that go back to the previous you know,

678
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,200
to like the eighteen hundred sometimes or you know, early

679
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,200
nineteen hundreds. Willie Davies from Wales. Can't say I have

680
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,119
ever heard of him. I'll do my research and check

681
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,480
them out. A popular category is the non participant ballot.

682
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,559
That's promoters, cut men, trainers, me, you know, all kinds

683
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:34,680
of people that aren't involved in boxing in the fighting part,

684
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:36,960
and not the observers, which is a separate category. This

685
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000
would be like, you know, all kinds of people ancillary

686
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:44,440
to the sport that are still important, you know, promotional people, publicist,

687
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:46,680
that sort of thing. So anyway, the people that are

688
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,000
on this year are the trainer, cut man, Jimmy Glenn,

689
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,960
a beloved figure in boxing before he passed. Probably more

690
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,039
famous actually for owning the Jimmy's Corner famous boxing bar

691
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:58,960
in mid tim and had a few blocks from Madison

692
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,960
Square Garden where if you're a boxing than who've ever

693
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,079
gone to a boxing event in New York and haven't

694
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,119
gone to Jimmy's Corner one night to hang out? You

695
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,720
dig yourself at the service. Jack Reese, the great referee

696
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,640
who recently retired from refereeing but is now still working

697
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,599
as a judge. You have Kelly Swanson, the outstanding publicist

698
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:19,160
who was actually coincidentally, she was Rarning Forest publicists for

699
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,160
many years. She's known by anybody in the media. She

700
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,279
was Floyd Mayweather's publicist for many many years. She got

701
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,880
her start as a in her twenties when she was

702
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,039
the publicist for Riddick bow on his way to the

703
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,279
heavyweight championship. I mean, you want to talk about an

704
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,000
experienced publicist and oh, yeah's been around, it's Kelly Swanson.

705
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,039
It's definitely her. And the number one judge in boxing

706
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,759
today Steve Weisfeld. So he's on the ballot, well deserved.

707
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,599
I think any of those, any of those four, I

708
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forget the number. I think they elect to maybe. Plus

709
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:49,039
there's all the folks that are that are on the

710
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,359
ballot still some of the some of those newcomers, of

711
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,240
those four newcomers, some of them are going to get elected,

712
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:54,680
I believe.

713
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: And by the way, we should plug to the audience.

714
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: Search this podcast feed because Dan talked with Jack Reese

715
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:05,240
at the conclusion of his refereeing career because he's still judging, right,

716
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,759
he told you that he's still going to hang around

717
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,960
and judge some huge Also.

718
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: He also was doing he works as a replay official

719
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,519
for California Goo.

720
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Speaker 2: So hear Jack Reese in his own words about his career,

721
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,759
and he was the referee of the Tyson Fury first

722
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,759
fight with Deontay Wilder, very famously, among a lot of

723
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:25,119
other championship fights. Search his name, Jack Reese's name on

724
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,480
this podcast feed and that conversation will come up because

725
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,200
we had him on here probably a year ago somewhere

726
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,119
around that, but it'll come up in the search.

727
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Speaker 3: And then in the observe the observer category, which would

728
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:39,000
be you know, journalists mostly. They added three people, all

729
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:40,880
three of whom are who I've known for many years,

730
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,000
who I consider friends. And that's the outstanding British box

731
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:49,599
boxing journalist and broadcaster Steve Bunts. Our buddy from the

732
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,039
old Showtime Showbox series, longtime executive producer and who ran

733
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,240
that show for the entire run of its existence, was

734
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,599
his Gordon Hall. And one of my good buddies from

735
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,680
the days when I started in this business, Steve Springer,

736
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,119
the longtime boxing writer for the Los Angeles Times, also

737
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,519
went on to write the autobiography or you know, ghost

738
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,519
write the autobiography for Oscar de la Hoya. So those

739
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:14,400
are the three newcomers to that ballot, and so we

740
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:16,800
got some work to do in the next few weeks

741
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,960
to discuss and figure out who I'm going for for everything.

742
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,159
Speaker 2: All right, good on that some news you were writing

743
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,559
about this. I do read my Dan Raphael Substack. You

744
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,519
guys should be on the Substack Fight Freaks Unite Substack

745
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,480
and the newsletter that Canelo Alvarez is now set to

746
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:35,000
have elbow surgery. This is not an injury sustained though

747
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,880
in the fight. This is as you as you wrote about.

748
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,320
It's something that was bothering him leading up to the fight.

749
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,199
He didn't use it as an excuse and this is

750
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,360
a cleanup procedure. If you will in part for later

751
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,159
on in the month. The one thing that I that I,

752
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:52,639
you know, just ponder with this is this, do we

753
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,599
know is this the same elbow because he had elbow

754
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,599
surgery before, I remember that, or risk surgery. Is it

755
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:00,519
the same armor? Is it the same and that's been

756
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:02,159
cut on before? I'm not sure.

757
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,079
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he's never had elbow surgery.

758
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: So whether a risk surgery that was before for him.

759
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,599
Speaker 3: So he's having left elbow surgery to clean up loose

760
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:13,679
particles October twenty third. And like you said, it's not

761
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,679
this was not from a specific injury that he had

762
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,159
happened during the fight with Terrence Crawford a couple of

763
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:22,280
weeks ago. This is really the byproduct of the wear

764
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,920
and tear when you throw as many punches as a

765
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,559
professional boxer and training and in fights. He's been a

766
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:30,039
professional for twenty years. I mean, so inevitably that's gonna happen.

767
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,039
Could you only imagine how many left hands Canelo Alvarez has.

768
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: Throne thousands, It's got to be a undred.

769
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: Thousands, hundreds of thousands, not just.

770
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: Not just in fights, but in sparring, training, whatever.

771
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,119
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely so he's having that surgery, so you know,

772
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,239
I'm it's pretty basic kind of surgery, not exactly anything

773
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,079
too complicated Arthur scoppercase procedure that is scheduled. Then you know,

774
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:54,159
the reason why it's somewhat interesting from the standpoint of

775
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:57,440
his schedule is because prior to the fight with Crawford,

776
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,599
Turkey Alshk, who obviously has two more fights left on

777
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:03,800
a contract with Canelo, they were discussing the possibility of

778
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,239
his return in February. February. I believe that the reason

779
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,039
was because that would be a way to close the

780
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,559
current READ season festival, and then he would fight a

781
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:17,159
second time in Read in two thousand and twenty six.

782
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,880
The question is, if you're having an elbow procedure on

783
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,760
October twenty third, and you just made like over one

784
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,920
hundred million dollars for Terrence Crawford fight, you need to

785
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,599
rush yourself back into the ring for February. So you

786
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,880
never know, but my gut would say it is highly

787
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,760
unlikely that he will be fighting in February, and that

788
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,519
more likely maybe he goes back to the May time

789
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:38,960
frame where he's used to or perhaps you know, later

790
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,440
into the year. But you know, February would seem to

791
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:41,920
be a rush.

792
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,559
Speaker 1: In mind, I will weigh in again.

793
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: I will believe that Canelo's fighting two more times in

794
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,400
Saudi Arabia. When we see Canelo fight two more times

795
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,559
in Saudi Arabia.

796
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any doubt that

797
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:53,079
Kenelo Aubers is going to continue to box. He's not

798
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,480
gonna retire his career at this point.

799
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: But I will believe he fights two more times in

800
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,079
Saudi Arabia.

801
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:00,599
Speaker 1: When I see him fight more times.

802
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,639
Speaker 3: That's fair. But again, the money is going to be

803
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:03,039
the money.

804
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know how much more of

805
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,400
the guy wants to fight. I don't know who else

806
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,800
he wants to fight. I don't know if there's a

807
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,679
rematch possibility with Crawford and how realistic that is.

808
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,159
Speaker 1: Tay tuned, stay tuned these guys.

809
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:14,519
Speaker 3: He's gonna have surgeries for a little bit, you know,

810
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,199
and get held up, and you.

811
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Speaker 2: Gotta and you gotta be mindful that. Anthony Joshua, I'm

812
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:20,159
not comparing the procedures.

813
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:20,519
Speaker 1: I don't know.

814
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: I'm not an orthopedist. I'm not even playing one on

815
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,880
the podcast. But he had elbow surgery earlier this year

816
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,960
and has not returned from it the entire year.

817
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,519
Speaker 1: You don't know, do you know?

818
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 3: This is going to be the first time, I believe

819
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,280
since like two thousand and seven where we're going to

820
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,400
go an entire calendar year where Tyson Fury and Anthony

821
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,440
Joshua are both on the shelf and didn't fight either

822
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:42,920
guy didn't fight the entire calendar. Y that tells you,

823
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,280
you know, the ear is coming to an end. And

824
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,320
with Canelo, as I mentioned, he's been a professional twenty years,

825
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,239
He's got nearly seventy fights thereabouts. He's coming off of

826
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,599
a loss. He's thirty five years old. I mean, time

827
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:55,639
waits for nobody in this business a man.

828
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,679
Speaker 1: All Right.

829
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: Something else that was added this week, Paramount Plus and

830
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,880
Zoo Boxing are now going to have a boxing deal

831
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,400
that comes on the heels of their massive deal that

832
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,679
they did for over seven billion dollars with the UFC.

833
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,679
All Right, So Dan, give us the details because this

834
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,840
is going to be part of the regular boxing series.

835
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,239
Dana White has been doing some interviews with the media

836
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,880
talking about this series, So go ahead and give more

837
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:22,639
on the particulars.

838
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,079
Speaker 3: So, as you mentioned, well, it was about a month

839
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,199
ago they did a deal in I guess, and sometime

840
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,760
in the mid to late August they did their deal

841
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,880
Paramount Plus did with UFC, which is obviously the sister

842
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:36,199
company of the newly created ZUFA Boxing. So they've got

843
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,920
that seven point seven billion dollar deal done to carry

844
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,360
the UFC events, and now this is completely expected that

845
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,840
they also locked up the rights for ZUFA Boxing. Now

846
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,000
quite a bit of a difference UFC. Obviously, in an

847
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,800
established company, an established product, you kind of know what

848
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,840
you're going to get. Zufa Boxing and Dana White, they're

849
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,079
starting this basically from scratch. They're signing some fighters. I've

850
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,960
not heard any big name that. I don't think they're

851
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,679
signing top champions. You know. Dana has been, like you said,

852
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,920
doing interviews talking about they're not going to recognize any

853
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,360
of the sanctioning bodies. They're going to create their ZUFA belt,

854
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,679
They're gonna do their ZUFA rankings. We'll see how that

855
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,159
works because they still have to take care of if

856
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:15,000
they can get it through the amendment to the mammad

857
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,000
Ali reformat that would make that allowable there. So there's

858
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,719
a lot to go. But what is going to happen

859
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,199
is that starting in January, somehow, some way, Paramount Plus

860
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,719
is gonna stream the first of what's supposed to be

861
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,639
twelve of their ZUFA Boxing events for twenty twenty six,

862
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,239
with as they mentioned in their announcement, that took place

863
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,920
on Monday, with plans to grow that number in subsequent years.

864
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,280
They also will recognize the ring title, Dana has said,

865
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,760
but I'm not sure how that's relevant, because if you're

866
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,719
starting out with a bunch of guys that are not

867
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,840
at the world class level, they're unlikely to be in

868
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,199
the ring rankings, and if they are, that's a problem

869
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,920
because then you'll know they're not legit. We'll see that's

870
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,800
obviously for the longer term. But anyway, Paramount Plus has

871
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,000
the rights to whatever ZUFA Boxing puts on in the

872
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,599
United States, in Canada and in Latin area, and that'll

873
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,000
be starting in January, and they'll have a monthly show

874
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,719
at least to begin with. And you know, I'm going

875
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,679
to reserve my thoughts in my opinions about till I

876
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,519
see the types of fights that they now, so the

877
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,960
types of fighters that they sign and all that. But

878
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,000
one thing you can probably expect is that if they

879
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,559
do a similar thing to what they've done with UFC,

880
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,000
you know, and have good production, it'll look good and

881
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,159
you know, and that type of thing. And so you know,

882
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,559
the jury is out. But they've got their deal.

883
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: They have a regular they haven't.

884
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: Anounced any financial aspects of it. We don't know what

885
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:29,920
they're getting paid for this thing.

886
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: They'll have a regular series, and we don't know what

887
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,920
any of the other particulars are financially or the fighters

888
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:36,840
or that kind of thing. One thing that I that

889
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,000
I you know again, we give opinions over and over

890
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,519
and over again. So Dana White has said this comment.

891
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:44,599
He set it in around the Crawford Canelo build up

892
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:45,519
when giving interviews.

893
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:46,159
Speaker 1: He said it again.

894
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: I saw a clip when he was talking to Brian Campbell,

895
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,639
our colleague, on his show, and he said it in

896
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:53,280
another interview somewhere else where.

897
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,119
Speaker 1: He keeps saying, you.

898
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: Know, boxing has made zillions of dollars, zillions of dollars everywhere,

899
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,559
and they have nothing to show for you know, that's

900
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:03,199
his big, uh, you know, marketing tagline.

901
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: They have nothing to show for it.

902
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: And my response in sitting back is you have fighters

903
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,199
that have made hundreds of millions of dollars, in some

904
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,159
cases half half a billion dollars.

905
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,599
Speaker 3: And they're mad about a billion dollars. You are probably.

906
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: Over Anthony Joshuall. You can kind of go down the list. Yeah,

907
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,159
you can go down on the recent. But even even

908
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,360
when you go back earlier in this century, et cetera,

909
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,440
there are fighters that have made hundreds of millions of

910
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,039
dollars like Oscar de la Hoya, manipacie Aalynox Lewis of

911
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:36,559
and Er Holyfield, Mike Tyson on. So the nothing to

912
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:41,000
show for it is incorrect. The fighters became multi millionaires,

913
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:43,960
multi multi multimillionaires. Now, whether they have any of their

914
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,280
money left is a different argument on whether they have

915
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,440
anything to show for it.

916
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: But that's the whole rub on what we're talking about.

917
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,119
Speaker 3: This.

918
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: While we give it legs and while we give it publicity,

919
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,920
this is going to be lower level, low paying stuff,

920
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,719
at least at the beginning and for the fourth seeable future,

921
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,000
because the biggest names aren't gonna go participate, right, They're.

922
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: Gonna try to look Dana's gonna try to build stars.

923
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,559
They're gonna try to sort of copy the the formula

924
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:13,000
that they found to be quite successful with Dana's Contender

925
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,760
series that they did that helped launch I guess a

926
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,599
lot of the future stars of UFC Boxing is a

927
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:21,679
little bit different obviously, uh in in in the UFC,

928
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:26,239
in m m A. Essentially UFC has a monopoly. It's

929
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,039
not officially or legally monopoly, but they have most of

930
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:32,159
the best fighters from around the world and in boxing.

931
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,760
Uh you can you can like that part of it

932
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,679
or not like that part of but just the reality

933
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,559
and this is not an opinion based this is a

934
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:42,599
factual thing. The best fighters are set, they're spread around.

935
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,719
You know, PBC's got top fighters, top ranks, got top guys.

936
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:48,880
You know, Frank Warren and Queensberry got top guys, boy

937
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,679
As top guys, matchrom Ass top guys, and there's other

938
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,960
fighter other fight promotions that have you know, Teaking promotions

939
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,360
in Japan has some of the best fighters in Asia.

940
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,880
You can go country by country. Everybody has somebody and

941
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,599
so you can't it's a lot harder to sort of

942
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:06,159
roll everything up at once. Now they're trying and we'll

943
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,519
see if they can be successful. Whether that's good or bad,

944
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,760
you know, remains to be seen. But anyway, it all

945
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,800
starts with this Paramount Plus project and whatever series they're

946
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,440
gonna produce and put on. I mean, for me, for

947
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,960
personally speaking, I hope it's successful, even if they're not

948
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,119
going to play in the same sandbox with other people,

949
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,960
because the more boxing that gets recognized by the public

950
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,840
and by the media, et cetera, it makes it better

951
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,760
for the overall sport. And I've never been one to

952
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,719
fear competition. You know, if they put on a good product,

953
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,079
people will come to it. If the product's no good,

954
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,519
then they won't. And you're gonna sink or swim based

955
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,119
on whatever you know you can produce. So I wish

956
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:44,079
them good luck.

957
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:48,559
Speaker 2: All right, stay tuned on on what happens in the

958
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:49,519
specifics on that.

959
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:51,639
Speaker 1: That's for down the road too, for when all that begins.

960
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: All right.

961
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,519
Speaker 2: A couple of other things you did talk to us

962
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:57,920
about Pittbull Cruise and Lamont Roach. You had been reporting

963
00:43:58,159 --> 00:43:59,480
that they were going to get the deal done. Give

964
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,000
me more dec tales on when this is and where

965
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,159
it is go ahead.

966
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 3: So the deal, apparently, from what I'm told by a

967
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,239
few different people that are involved, it is done, hasn't

968
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,519
been announced yet. Of the expectation that I was told

969
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:13,719
by these folks is that they're looking to have a

970
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,559
news conference sometime next week to roll everything out and

971
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,800
uh and make it all official. But what I'm told

972
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,199
is when I talked to you about it in the

973
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,880
last episode, we were discussing about the possibility of the

974
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,199
two dates that we're sitting there. One was December sixth,

975
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:29,400
one was December twentieth. They've decided December sixth is the

976
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,159
date they're going to go to the Frost Bank Center,

977
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,639
which is the home arena for the NBA San Antonio Spurs.

978
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,199
Speaker 2: I was unaware that we have a new sponsor name

979
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,519
on the Spurs Arena, and what is the Frost Bank.

980
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,119
I've not heard of the frost I've heard of Frosty

981
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,239
the Snowman, but I've not heard of Frost Bank.

982
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: So there, so I was like, I never heard of

983
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,000
that place before. So when I looked it up, I

984
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,239
believe it used to be the AT and T Center, correct,

985
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,320
and it just simply changed to the Spurs Arena.

986
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,599
Speaker 2: That's right off of downtown at the Alamo Dome. But

987
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,519
that's in interesting that's going to be the site.

988
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: So here's the thing about that though, TJ as far

989
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,360
as PBC has been going along doing their pay per

990
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,760
view fights, certainly since they've been involved with with Prime Video,

991
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,719
but even before that, when they were doing events, whether

992
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,159
they were on Showtime or on Fox, most of the

993
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,000
time they were doing their pay per views in the

994
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,559
in Las Vegas. They did occasionally they'll had, you know,

995
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:24,880
they did you know, Tank Davis and Roach was in

996
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,559
New York City. You know, prior to their Prime Video stuff,

997
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,079
they had obviously done some events in California. They hadn't

998
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,639
really gone out of like the mainstream those sort of locations.

999
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,239
So I do think it's kind of good that they're

1000
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,559
going back to a great boxing city like San Antonio,

1001
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,199
which has got great fans and I've been there for

1002
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,559
fights on a bunch of occasions through the years. Great city,

1003
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,920
great fight fans, and I think they believe that the

1004
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,400
popularity of Pitbull crews in that market, especially with you know,

1005
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,119
so many Mexican Americans to populate the arena, that they'll

1006
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:56,039
they'll bring out a good crowd for it, and uh,

1007
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:57,719
you know, we'll see what I'll say add to the show,

1008
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,679
So that that's the plan as of now. You know,

1009
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,480
we'll see if it actually comes to pass. But that's

1010
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,079
what I was told by people directly involved with doing

1011
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,920
that deal. I'm expecting at press release any day now

1012
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,119
that we're having a press permertson here of the details.

1013
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,599
Speaker 2: All right, So stay tuned on pittmull Cruise Lamont Roach

1014
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:15,719
being made official. We also know that Raffia l Espinoza

1015
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,880
the WBA or the WBO excuse me, Featherway Champ, he

1016
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,960
will be back in November. You have been talking to

1017
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:25,559
us about this before. He's part of a Zanfer promotions card.

1018
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,239
So give me the details on the fighter he's fighting

1019
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:28,960
and the date, etc.

1020
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: And where.

1021
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,679
Speaker 3: So Espinosa is with Top Rank and as you know,

1022
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Top Rank has no TV platformer or streaming platform at

1023
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,960
the moment. And they've had a decades long relationship with

1024
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:41,119
zan for promotions. They've done business together forever. They've co

1025
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,199
promoted several fighters through the years together, most notably Eric

1026
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,800
Morales and so Zandfer is doing an event November fifteenth

1027
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,559
in Mexico, San Luis, Potosi, Mexico. And this is we

1028
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:57,840
spoke about the lindolf Al Delgado finally eliminator that's going

1029
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,639
to take place now on that car and so this

1030
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,119
is the main event of that card, again hasn't been

1031
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,599
officially announced yet. He'll be defending the title against Arnold

1032
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,800
kay Guy. He is a Ukrainian fighter who's based out

1033
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,039
of Los Angeles, who was high up in the rankings. Uh.

1034
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,760
Took a loss, but but bounce back got a kind

1035
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,360
of I guess you call it like a mild upset

1036
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,360
over Joet Gonzales. Uh. They put that fight was on

1037
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,880
a one of the pro Box cards, So that's gonna

1038
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,719
be the title defense. And like I said, there's supposed

1039
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,559
to be other other top ranked fighters on that card.

1040
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,119
They've talked about. I don't know. Again, I don't I

1041
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,000
don't have My reporting has not said that this is

1042
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,000
one hundred percent, but I've seen reports that they're gonna

1043
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,800
have Richard Torres Junior on that card. They also have

1044
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,159
Emiliano Vargas on that card, so some of the uh,

1045
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,199
some of those prospects in addition to the World Championship

1046
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,000
fight as well as the title eliminator with Delgado, So

1047
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,559
you know, they're trying to keep their guys busy as

1048
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:52,719
best as they can until they land something or get

1049
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,440
something wrapped up. But Espinoza, uh, you know, for my money,

1050
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:57,239
is one of the more exciting and fun fighters to

1051
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,920
watch that you could ask for. When I said, by,

1052
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,199
by the way, that Ka guy who is the Appontenta guy,

1053
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,800
actually lost the the fight to Joe Gonzalez. He has

1054
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,519
bounced back since that and gotten one victory. So he's

1055
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:13,000
maybe a questionable title challenger. But again, this is not

1056
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:14,920
a you know, he's a good fighter, and he's been ranked,

1057
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,440
and he's you know, he's been busy, but this is

1058
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,559
not a a a what I would call a super

1059
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,559
high profile, high money.

1060
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: Not a serious threat to Espinoza.

1061
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,559
Speaker 3: But then again, he's a threat because he's a good boxer.

1062
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: I said serious threat. He is a serious threat. Stay tuned.

1063
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: It's an optional defense. Put it like that.

1064
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So more on that November show, November fifteenth.

1065
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: That one is coming.

1066
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,639
Speaker 2: One thing that we have left to do here, let's

1067
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,159
talk some nostalgia as you and I do this. We're

1068
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:46,679
doing this and releasing it Thursday night into Friday on

1069
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,800
the pod here. October two, two thousand and four, now

1070
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,159
over twenty years ago, twenty one years ago that Felix

1071
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,440
Trinidad came out of retirement. Speaking of coming out of retirement,

1072
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:58,800
as we did earlier in the pod with Danny Garcia.

1073
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:04,840
Go on former welterwaight and junior middleweight title holder Riccardo

1074
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,119
Majorga in a middleweight bout at Madison Square Garden.

1075
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,079
Speaker 1: You were there.

1076
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: It was electric ringside at the garden. Tell us more

1077
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,000
about the nostalgia of Trinidad's return.

1078
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: Well, there is nothing better if you ask me, in

1079
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,760
boxing at that time then a Felix Trinidad fight at

1080
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,079
Madison Square Garden. It was was electric as you could

1081
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:26,440
ask for that. When I talk about the greatest atmospheres

1082
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,519
I've ever been in for fightes, I've said many times

1083
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:34,719
Trinidad versus William Joppy. I don't count Trinidad versus Hopkins

1084
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,119
because of all the emotion because it was just a

1085
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,480
couple of weeks after nine to eleven. Had that not happened,

1086
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,559
otherwise it would have been an unbelievable scene. I am

1087
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:46,239
sure I've talked about, you know, Tito Trinidad against my Orga.

1088
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,800
Also among those great atmosphere fights Antonio Margarito's rematch against

1089
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,159
Miguel Coto. And what do they all have in common

1090
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,360
is because they have amazing Puerto Rican fans. But the

1091
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,679
Myerga fight. Tito's return was so welcomed. Everybody was so

1092
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:01,920
happy to have him back. Remember, he had lost to

1093
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,519
Bernard Hopkins. Anniversary of that fight was just a few

1094
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:06,599
days ago in two thousand and one. It's been, you know,

1095
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:09,280
twenty four years, I guess since that was at two

1096
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,559
thousand and one to twenty twenty, twenty four years, Yeah,

1097
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,000
since he got stopped by Hopkins for the undisputed title

1098
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,280
when they met for the to unify all the belts

1099
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,599
at the time, the three belt era. He had one

1100
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,960
more fight left after that on his HBO contract. He

1101
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,400
went back home to Puerto Rico. He destroyed the former

1102
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,079
middleweight title holder, Hassin Sharifi, and then he retired and

1103
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,480
everybody kind of was like, oh, he's gonna be back,

1104
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,280
and you know, a year goes by and he's not back. Finally,

1105
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,679
two and a half years later he comes back. They

1106
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:38,239
line up with my Orga, who was the quintessential you know,

1107
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,960
villain to the to the absolutely beloved Trinidad, incredible action fighter,

1108
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,239
both of them, and they just put on an amazing

1109
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,239
event in Madison Square Garden. It was an exciting fight.

1110
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,199
It was a tremendous battle. But Trinidad. One thing I

1111
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,840
always remember a vivid remembory of this when they rang

1112
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,239
the first bell for the fight and the garden was full,

1113
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,320
I'd probably be about twenty thousand people, whatever it was,

1114
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,400
every single person like when the belt rode to their

1115
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,119
feet in excitement when the when the opening bell went

1116
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,519
and they put on an amazing battle, and you had

1117
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,280
Trinidad just overpowering my Orga, who showed a lot of

1118
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,320
a heart and took a lot of punches and stuck

1119
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,920
his chin out and did all the nonsense that he

1120
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,840
would do, but always made it entertaining, and finally he

1121
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,320
put him away in the eighth round, and you have

1122
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,360
the very classic scene of the late great Hall of

1123
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,280
Fame referee Steve Smoger, who refereed that fight, standing like

1124
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,480
in front of him, counting in Spanish. And you know,

1125
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:28,960
finally given the very dramatic waving off of the fight,

1126
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,639
I mean, just in the crowd gon't absolutely fucking berserk.

1127
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,480
I mean, it just does not get more exciting than that.

1128
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,239
And you know that was actually when you think about it,

1129
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,239
because when that fight happened, Trinidad continued his career and

1130
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,079
next fought your boy Winky Wright, who he got beat by,

1131
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,800
retired again and came back and you know, a few

1132
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,079
years later fought Roy Jones and lost again. So this

1133
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,840
is actually the final victory of Trinidad's career. If that's

1134
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,239
the way to remember your last win, what a way

1135
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,039
to go out, because it was as exciting as it

1136
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,039
can as it can be. I mean, you know, he

1137
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,960
can't even if you weren't around at the time that

1138
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:08,840
the excitement throughout boxing for Tito's return was just tremendous

1139
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,000
because he when he retired. Yeah, okay, he lost to Hopkins,

1140
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:14,440
but I don't think anybody considered him at that time

1141
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:17,119
like a shot fighter, a gun fighter. Remember it was

1142
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,679
one fight before Hopkins, who he was favorite to beat,

1143
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,559
that he had won the Joppy fight. Looked absolutely amazing

1144
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:24,880
in that fight, looked incredible when he got up to them.

1145
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,679
Speaker 2: We say this all the time. The kids have got

1146
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:28,960
a YouTube up because it's been a little bit. Go

1147
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:32,320
watch the knockouts of Tito Trinidad and you see what

1148
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,199
the lore is about. And the fandom in Puerto Rico

1149
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,280
and in New York with the Puerto Ricans and the

1150
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,440
Puerto Rican fan base, it's easy to see why he

1151
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:44,519
was constantly so revered, and the atmosphere was electric, and

1152
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,920
you're talking about the fans rising at the opening bell

1153
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,119
because he may come right across the ren and lay

1154
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:51,199
the other guy out that wall.

1155
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tito was vulnerable. So my Orga actually scored a

1156
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:56,679
knockdown in the third ground of the fight. It was

1157
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,440
like he forced him to touch his glove down on

1158
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,480
the canvas. But than Trinidad, like he'd done a thousand times,

1159
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:04,679
came storing back and you know, dribble them off the

1160
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:06,719
canvas three times in the eighth round, and like just

1161
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,639
you know, with that vaunted, big giant punching power that

1162
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:12,119
he had. So you know, you had knockdowns, you had

1163
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,639
all out action, you had excitement just for the return

1164
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,000
for a guy that you knew was always gonna give

1165
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,559
your money's worth. I mean, Keino Trinidad is one of

1166
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,400
my all time favorite fighters to watch. There's very few

1167
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,400
fighters that I can think of that were fight in

1168
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,320
and fight out more consistently, entertaining and did so with

1169
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,440
a sense of joy. He was not stoic, he was

1170
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,199
not introverted. He loved the fans, he loved the adulation,

1171
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,400
he loved the event, and he loved to kick ass,

1172
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I mean, you know, and then jump up on the

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ring and pete his chest. I mean, even if you're

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not Puerto Rican, it was hard not to get caught

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up in the emotion of a Tito Trinidad event. So

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when he came back after the long layoff, it was

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such a welcome sight to have this superstar back in

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action and then go out there and kick ass again

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against a fighter in my orger who was always exciting.

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Also what was the ultimate villain? And they just put

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on a great show and it would it could you know.

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I remember I think this is the fight where when

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the fight was over, ye had Jim Lampley doing the

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fight for HBO pay per view at the time. You know,

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it's a you know, uh, it's a two word headline,

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Tito's back, and that's exactly what it was. I mean,

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he was on top of the world after that. He had,

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you know, put the whatever happened to Bernard with Bernard

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Hopkins and in the background, and and uh, you know

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they titled the fight back with a Vengeance. I mean

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they were playing up the return obviously, and he had

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Don King, who was the promoter, doing his normal his

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normal thing and beating his chest and you know, yelling

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at from the rooftops about it. I mean, it was

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a great promotion, it was a great fight, and it

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was just awesome to have Trinidad back in action.

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Speaker 1: Love all of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we've given you a bunch on a weekend

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that's kind of a light weekend, including Danny Garcia Swift

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Garcia with us earlier in the program. Once again, a

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reminder that off the weekend, we will have a nostalgic

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piece up first on the YouTube page of you and

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I talking Thrilla in Manila, Ali Frasier and the Greatest

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in in one of the greatest, if if not the biggest,

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most noteworthy slugfests in heavyweight history.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly one of them. It's now fifty years old.

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Speaker 2: We will wax nostalgic on the YouTube page first, and again,

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if you're on this podfeed, you'll eventually get it on

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the pod feed Sunday night on the Monday. But go

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find the YouTube video about it and hit subscribe there

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Speaker 1: Other than that, Big Dan, have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: We always appreciate it and I look forward to here

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in October we get back to bigger fight weekends and

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more interesting fights that we have and we both look

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forward to that.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, have a great weekend.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, you bet, thank you.

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Speaker 1: There is Big Dan. Rayphiel, I'm merely TJ Reeves.

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You've been with us on the Big Fight Weekend Preview

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