1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsikos, I am damn Valley coming at 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,759 you with the one, the only, this certified fantabulous mister 3 00:00:12,919 --> 00:00:15,519 Grant Hughes. I'm excited because Grant and I have not 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,559 talked via video in like a week, which is a 5 00:00:18,559 --> 00:00:21,160 really long time for us to anyone who's paid attention. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,280 So we're gonna get into hour we'll talk about if 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,679 there's any breaking news. I mean, you and I haven't 8 00:00:25,719 --> 00:00:28,120 been doing anything this offseason where there's been breaking news yet, 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,839 so that maybe this is the moment. We're gonna get 10 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:32,560 into our biggest questions that we still have for the 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,399 rest of this off season. We have a bunch we're 12 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:36,840 gonna get to load. It's gonna be a lot of fun. 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,600 If you want to throw questions in the chat, we 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,679 welcome it. Will either throw them up there maybe throughout it, 15 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:42,679 we'll try to get some to the end to depending 16 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:45,399 on timing. But before we get started, Grant, I do 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,200 care how you're doing, but I just want the listeners 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,439 to know since a lot of people are concerned about 19 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:51,679 my caffeine intake, and while we're waiting for stragglers to 20 00:00:51,679 --> 00:00:54,960 come in here, these are not two full energy drinks 21 00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:57,320 that I'm just drinking. They're separate flavors. And as I 22 00:00:57,359 --> 00:00:59,399 was telling you, one, this is a really good flavor, 23 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:01,960 it's ice tea maade. This is cherry lime made. I'm 24 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,079 one disheartened because the sour Patch kid Ghost flavors are gone, 25 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,200 and you know, I loved me some sour Patch RedBerry Bibi. 26 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,040 I mean cutting my Calvin intake slightly. And so when 27 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:14,159 I used to allow myself one energy drink per day, 28 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,640 I now don't finish it and it goes in the fridge. 29 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,239 And so I get to a point where there's like 30 00:01:18,239 --> 00:01:20,159 six or seven that are just open and there's like 31 00:01:20,239 --> 00:01:23,239 dregs or they're less than half. So I'm just I 32 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,120 need to be caffeinated. It's been a long day, but 33 00:01:25,159 --> 00:01:26,760 I just wanted to anyone. I'm not trying to die 34 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,959 on air, if anyone cares. 35 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,359 Speaker 2: What uh what like does chasing one with the other 36 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,879 lead to like a weird like combined flavor? 37 00:01:37,079 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 3: And if so like which because cherry limemade and what 38 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:42,120 was the other one? Like an Arnold Palmer. 39 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,799 Speaker 1: Flavor basically icedy lemonade? Yeah? 40 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:44,159 Speaker 3: Yeah? 41 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: Are they both just so sweet that it's like, well, 42 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:50,439 my taste buds are just turned up to ten anyway, 43 00:01:50,519 --> 00:01:52,560 and it doesn't matter that they're slightly different or is 44 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,480 there some is there some cross are there crossover issues? 45 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: It's the I think it's just a ladder that they're 46 00:01:57,959 --> 00:01:59,799 so sweet. It's like, if you mix these together, cherry 47 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,560 lin I made with ice tea lemonade actually might not 48 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:03,719 taste it just be like cherry lime made iced tea. 49 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: This is a sweeter. 50 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:08,199 Speaker 1: I guess, how are you doing, Sarah. 51 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 3: I'm fine. 52 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: I don't have any energy drinks right now. Despite that, 53 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,759 I'm feeling I'm feeling fine. I would love to keep 54 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:15,960 talking about this, but I don't think that's what's cool. 55 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: Can we talk about I'm glad that we finally have 56 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:20,039 a thirst trap on this podcast, like you're in the 57 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,080 tank top More did that the other day. We're really 58 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,639 trying to get like the we're leaning into the OnlyFans element. 59 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: Look, we had we we hired a consultant and they 60 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:31,680 just were like, listen, you have to do whatever it 61 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:34,000 takes if you want to grow your audience. And I said, 62 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,360 I'm willing to do something less than whatever it takes. 63 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: And so that's why we're. 64 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: Here with that let's uh, let's just dive in right here. 65 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:48,400 We're gonna begin with the trade between the Clippers and 66 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,199 the Jazz and the Heat. Are you able to take 67 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,879 us through the details and we'll tackle it from the 68 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,680 Clippers' perspective first? Sure? 69 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 70 00:02:55,039 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: So the Clippers side of this is they wind up 71 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,960 with John Collins from the Utah Jazz. Miami gets Norman 72 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,039 Powell from the Clippers, and Utah gets Kyle Anderson and 73 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,960 Kevin Love from Miami and a twenty twenty seven second 74 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,960 rounder that was via the or is via the Clippers. 75 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:15,240 So three team are here. The Clipper side of this, 76 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,319 John Collins expiring deal. I don't have his salary up 77 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:20,719 in front of me, like twenty six ish million. I 78 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:23,520 think I can look that up as we're discussing it, 79 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,639 but quietly had a really good year for the Jazz 80 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,800 last season. Hard to be noticed in that environment, but 81 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,439 thirty nine point nine percent from deep just looked like 82 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,439 a starting power forward that could score. And so now 83 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,240 he's on the Clippers and as part of like a 84 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,199 I don't know, we haven't talked about almost anything, but 85 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,800 like as part of a really interesting front court rotation now, 86 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,199 which was like behind a Viatza Zubats, which was like 87 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:49,319 a real weakness. 88 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: You want to. 89 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: Start on the Clippers side of this or what we 90 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,919 haven't discussed, like any of our thoughts about how either 91 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:56,960 of these three teams fared. 92 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:00,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have a lot I actually my so 93 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:01,280 when we get to the jazz section is when I 94 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,039 have my favorite question on this. But I think, look, 95 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,199 the Clippers, they clearly have this twenty twenty seven cap 96 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,039 space plan when you look at how they set up 97 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:11,280 the James Harden and the Kawhi Leonard contracts, and then 98 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:13,800 there's blocked down. Mcdonovich comes off the books after this. 99 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,160 I think it's after next year. Excuse me. I think 100 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:17,839 Zoo Box is like the only real money they have 101 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,560 on those books. And so the reporting was is that 102 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:21,560 they didn't want to give Norman Powell an extension that 103 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,720 would extend past that. I find it fascinating and this 104 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:27,160 will bleed into something we're going to discuss that one. 105 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,439 The Clippers went from just like having no real backup 106 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:32,720 bigs to now you have John Collins and Brook Lopez 107 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,199 on the same team, which I think that fascinates me 108 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,879 in a sense, where is it going to change the 109 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,720 structure of some of their lineups. But the other thing, too, 110 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,959 is just it's interesting that Norman Powell was a borderline 111 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:46,079 All Star on offense for most of last year and 112 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,160 you traded him for a backup big to you essentially, 113 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,519 so And I don't know, if you look at this 114 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,480 Clippers team with Brook Lopez on it, does John Collins 115 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,959 fill more of a need for them than the Norman 116 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:00,920 Powell in your eyes? 117 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,199 Speaker 2: So I'm that that might be the better question. But 118 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,759 I was prepared to come in here with like, is 119 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,680 it too much of a hot take to say that 120 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,079 the Clippers might have gotten the best player in the deal, 121 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,279 just just considering Like Powell obviously was phenomenal last year 122 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:19,920 before he got hurt, but like all we talked about 123 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,120 was how that was such an outlier of a late 124 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,360 career leap, right, Like. 125 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: Is this really who he's gonna be going forward? 126 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: And then like Collins is a little younger, he's that 127 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,480 he's going into his age twenty eight season. Like I 128 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,519 the way I look at it is I think Collins 129 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,399 is like really roughly playing at his level. The shooting 130 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,639 was a little bit better, but he's thirty six percent 131 00:05:40,759 --> 00:05:43,560 for his career from deep. He's like a what sixteen 132 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,439 and eight for his for his career, like never a 133 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:47,639 great defender except very early with the Hawks. But like 134 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,759 to answer your question, I think like or to answer 135 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,680 my question, I don't. I think it's not like what 136 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,120 if Collins is just the better player on balance? 137 00:05:56,199 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: And then if you I think if you raise the fit. 138 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,399 Speaker 2: Issues of like what he could provide for the Clippers 139 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,480 versus what Powell. 140 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:02,959 Speaker 3: Would have offered, I don't know. 141 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:04,959 Speaker 2: I'm open to the idea that he just not only 142 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:07,160 is a better fit, but is actually a better player. 143 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:09,399 And that's not to take anything from away from Powell, 144 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:12,319 who like just was better last year full stop. But like, 145 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,560 I don't know, I think there's at least an argument 146 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,439 to be had or are you are you? I think 147 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,639 you maybe were bigger on Powell than I was in general, 148 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,079 But what do you think about that. 149 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: The close of the season for Powell was rough? And 150 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,639 so I think if you believe that John Collins is 151 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:26,199 gonna give you more of a playoff bump, and I 152 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,439 also I think they viewed it through the lens of 153 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,560 oh John Collins might sign something like a one plus 154 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:34,920 one next summer with a team option uh so, and 155 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,519 Powell won't like he's gonna want to cash in, Yeah, 156 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,240 especially after the season he just had. So I think 157 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,560 that's where they're coming at it from. And I would 158 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:44,759 we have a question on this and later. So don't 159 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:46,560 want to get too much into it. So I don't know. 160 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,319 To me, I don't know if I view Collins as 161 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:51,199 the best player in this deal, but I even if 162 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,480 he is, I just feel like Norman Powell might have 163 00:06:53,519 --> 00:06:55,360 been the better fit for a Clippers team, Like when 164 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,759 you're looking at who creates off the dribble now like 165 00:06:57,759 --> 00:06:59,959 that it's not really both done by Donovic's game anymore. 166 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,160 Where you have Harden, how much can you rely on Kawhi? 167 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,879 So I think that's the thing that makes me uneasy. 168 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,839 But I think if you sat here and told me 169 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,720 they thought John Collins is going to be more valuable 170 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:13,360 to them in the playoffs, or they think again that 171 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:15,519 they might just be able to keep him while he 172 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:17,279 comes off the books in twenty twenty seven, and that 173 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,399 they just didn't want to pay Norman Pal's next contract. 174 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,079 I get that, but they did treat him, to your point, 175 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:25,000 they gave up the second round pick, so they treated 176 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,199 Norman Powell like the best John CON's like the best 177 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:30,560 player in this deal because they took on money right, 178 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,040 Like this was so that that was I'm not saying 179 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,800 it was the wrong move, but it was fascinating to me. 180 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think some component is financial. I think some 181 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,959 component is like you're like you're selling high on Norman Powell. 182 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,519 I think like or at least relative to what he was 183 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,279 going to be. It's hard to imagine Powell will be 184 00:07:48,279 --> 00:07:51,199 better at any point ever again than he was for 185 00:07:51,279 --> 00:07:54,399 some of last year and is aging and like you said, 186 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:55,519 wants that longer deal. 187 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, I mean. 188 00:07:57,079 --> 00:07:59,079 Speaker 2: Really probably the truth is closer to like this is 189 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,120 kind of a wash, but but I do think I 190 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,959 do think, like what's interesting here is we neither of 191 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,360 us has really gone down this road. 192 00:08:06,399 --> 00:08:10,639 Speaker 3: But Whiso says Miami won the trade hands down. 193 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: Well, do we want to talk about the heat down then? 194 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:13,759 Speaker 3: Yeah? 195 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:19,079 Speaker 2: I mean, so they moved two contracts and get Norman Powell, who, like, 196 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,319 I don't know what's the I'm uneasy. I guess like 197 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,680 having another scoring wing is great, like next to Tyler Hero, 198 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,519 I don't think you can play him in Hero together, 199 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:30,600 you know, against real lineups. Probably maybe that's a regular 200 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:33,440 season thing. I think he's fine. If Davion Mitchell's at 201 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,480 the point and then you have Powell on the floor 202 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,679 and Hero off, you move off of Anderson in love 203 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:40,759 you get that second. I think I think it's a 204 00:08:40,759 --> 00:08:44,080 good move for Miami, but I don't know it. Again, 205 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,159 I guess I'm just lower on Powell as like being 206 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,600 the same guy that he was. Maybe maybe that's where 207 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,279 I'm getting hung up. What do you think about it? 208 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: So, if you're getting Norman Powell and you're about to 209 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,759 extend him, which they're limited in what they could offer, 210 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,559 it's like, I think it's for the first six months, 211 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,840 it's like three years at all, between seventy seven and 212 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:04,279 eighty million. But so if you're getting him under the 213 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:05,759 guys that, oh, he's going to play a near All 214 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:07,840 Star level. He probably would have made the All Star 215 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:09,279 Game in the East last year, by the way, or 216 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:10,919 at least come closer than he did in the West. 217 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,399 There's a flawed to that thinking. But if you're another 218 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,519 team like the Heat, well, I think for the most part, 219 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,519 this is why I was shocked that they guaranteed Davion 220 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,240 Mitchell money in twenty twenty six, because it felt like 221 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:22,360 they were kind of gearing up for next summer. He 222 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,679 just fits like they upgraded their expiring contracts to me. 223 00:09:25,799 --> 00:09:28,879 So I viewed it from this team desperately needed without 224 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,320 Jimmy Butler a primary playmaker and just additional rim pressure, 225 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,000 and they always needed shooting. Norman Powell will check two 226 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:38,399 of those boxes and maybe don't because it's not gonna 227 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:40,960 be the playmaking spoiler alert for anybody who has watching 228 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,639 it's so and maybe the rim pressure kind of wanes 229 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,840 as he gets older. But I viewed it as Okay, 230 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:50,480 this offense needed that type of punch. It fits. He 231 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:54,159 can playoff Tiler, hero can play off bam Adebayo. But also, 232 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:58,480 couldn't you like, isn't there a world in which Norman 233 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:02,480 Powell at mid season get you more than the Clippers 234 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:04,480 just kind of got for him? Or you could, from 235 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:06,919 the heat's perspective, say we got more value out of 236 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:08,799 Norman Powe because we got a pick or something rather 237 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:11,399 than Kyle Anderson and Kevin Love who probably wouldn't have 238 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,840 garnered too much interest right at the trade deadline. And 239 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,120 I saw a lot of people frame and says, oh, 240 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:18,080 they got off of Kyle Anderson's money for twenty twenty six. 241 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,759 That money, unless a mistake, is entirely non guaranteed. So 242 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:23,799 this is really folding two expiring contracts into another. They 243 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,200 took on some money, but I think it kind of shows, 244 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,679 and this is my question for you, I don't know 245 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,960 what Miami's endgame actually is because I thought maybe this 246 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,360 was gonna be a gap year, but a Powell deal 247 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,559 kind of signals to me that they're not ready to 248 00:10:36,639 --> 00:10:39,679 commit long term to anything. Though that certainly changes if 249 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,039 we see Powell or Hero or Yovich get an extension. 250 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,840 They're not ready to commit to anything, but they're gonna 251 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:48,080 try and compete in the Eastern Conference still next season. 252 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:49,399 Speaker 3: I could see that. 253 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:51,639 Speaker 2: I could also see it just being a case of, like, 254 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,159 I don't know who initiated these conversations, but it's like 255 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:57,039 you're Miami, you pick up the phone, You're being offered 256 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,879 Norman Powell for Anderson Love and and not even a 257 00:11:00,919 --> 00:11:03,639 pick like that's it just so like Norman Powell is 258 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,279 just more valuable than Kevin Love and Kyle Anderson as 259 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:09,080 whether it's as a trade asset, whether it's someone you 260 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:11,639 might extend, whether it's just as a rental for this year. 261 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:16,279 So like to me, it's you just say yes, like 262 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,480 that's that's easy, whether whether it's part of like a 263 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,320 bigger plan or not. Like it's like what plans would 264 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,759 this mess up? You know, unless you just go throw 265 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:27,039 the bag at him and you oh, if they're in 266 00:11:27,039 --> 00:11:29,039 our cap space, why did we do that? Like, you know, 267 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,279 that doesn't seem like it's it's likely that you can 268 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,639 start your thinking at that point. 269 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: But uh yeah, I think it's just for what they 270 00:11:36,159 --> 00:11:37,480 gave up. You just take. 271 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,879 Speaker 2: Norman Powell it ten times out of ten, right, you do. 272 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: But again, if if you were gonna to go through 273 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:45,840 sort of a quasi gap year where a lot of 274 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:48,399 people think the heater set up to be sellers, is 275 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,240 this just a trade you make anyway? Because okay, it 276 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:53,000 makes us better. But there's a chance they're able to 277 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,679 move him more value or to at least a player. 278 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,639 We have his bird rights, he goes into free agency, 279 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,360 So maybe it's something like that. But I think that's 280 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:02,399 the thing I took away from is because it filled 281 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,559 the need. I'm looking at Miami now as okay, like 282 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,480 they're really true, they are still trying to make the playoffs. 283 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,440 It's just they haven't done anything except for bring Davion 284 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:11,879 Mitchell back this offseason. So I kind of just thought that. 285 00:12:12,519 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: I mean Simoni Fontechio, Oh the Dunken, Well that was 286 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:15,879 the other thing. 287 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,279 Speaker 1: It's like, well Duncan Robinson, like, rather than give him 288 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,639 multi year money, you take back Simoni Fontechio, who's expiring. 289 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,559 So I just find what they're doing a little hazy. 290 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,159 But I think that unless you have anything else on 291 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,200 the heat for the Jazz section, I want to focus on. 292 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,080 It's more of a league wide question. But the Jazz 293 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,080 are like they've gotten rid of so many expiring contracts 294 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,200 this off season that it makes sense to focus it 295 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,519 on them. Grant have expiring contracts just lost value because 296 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:43,919 I think I'll frame Itt this way. They bought out 297 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,399 Jordan Clarkson and then they gave up They attached a 298 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:49,639 pick to Colin Sexton to get use of Nurkic, which 299 00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:53,679 I still don't understand. Now you're trading who had johncon 300 00:12:53,759 --> 00:12:57,200 said a really good year, like just from a shooting perspective, 301 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,679 like still maybe not an anomaly, but like gives you 302 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,519 that gives you some rebounds to us some athletic pop. 303 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:06,360 They gave him up for two guys that they're not. 304 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,840 Not only are they backups, but you're just not Like 305 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:11,480 Kevin Love's not gonna stay there, Kyle Anderson, like is 306 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,320 even gonna play? And how much will will he play 307 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,840 if he does? So I'm looking at this, and I 308 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,960 mean even from the Clippers' perspective, Norman Powell was a 309 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,840 borderline offensive All Star last year and you traded him 310 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,639 for a backup big while attaching a second round pick. 311 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:30,200 So I'm just and like DeAndre ayton expiring contract, it 312 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:32,799 was easier to just get ten million dollars back from 313 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:35,919 him rather than the Blazers trying to turn him into 314 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:38,320 something or roll him over into a separate kind of asset. 315 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:43,200 Do you think that the relative death of free agency 316 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,840 where everyone's signing extensions, their incentivized to sign extension stars 317 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:49,440 or rather forced trades than just hit the open market, 318 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:53,320 like is our expiring contract is not as valuable as 319 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,759 they used to be, Because I think you could even say, look, 320 00:13:55,799 --> 00:13:58,159 cap space isn't just for free agents. Keith Smith says 321 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:01,080 it all the time, and he's right, but like, how 322 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,240 often do we just see like these monstrous lopsided trades. 323 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:08,039 It's always just teams that are selling. They're probably gonna 324 00:14:08,039 --> 00:14:09,519 be bad anyway, and so like you figure out a 325 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,240 way to cobble together contracts. I just I find it 326 00:14:12,279 --> 00:14:16,200 fascinating that it feels like expiring money just is at 327 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,519 an all time low when it comes to their value. 328 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:21,559 Speaker 3: I wonder if the. 329 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: What's what's actually at an all time low in value 330 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:27,559 is the thing that you used to exchange for expiring contracts, 331 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:32,480 which is like a longer term deal of similar value 332 00:14:32,519 --> 00:14:35,759 just because of the salary matching requirements and trades without 333 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,840 like over complicating things. So like, I think maybe part 334 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:42,679 of it at least is that teams now with the 335 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:48,440 second apron and everything, just don't want the like the 336 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,639 three year, just to throw numbers out there, the three 337 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,080 year one hundred million dollar deal. They don't want that 338 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:59,399 deal in exchange for the expiring thirty seven million dollar 339 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,200 contract they're trading somewhere with like a pick attached or something. 340 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:05,759 I think I think it's more just like the stuff 341 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:08,240 you would get for an expiring contract might not be 342 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,240 as valuable or as like it's kind of dangerous because 343 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:13,480 you don't want to put long term like iffy money 344 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:14,440 on the books. 345 00:15:14,559 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 346 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:16,159 Speaker 1: Like, I don't. 347 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,879 Speaker 2: I think the examples you gave pretty clearly suggest that 348 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,279 expiring money just isn't that valuable. And like you look 349 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:25,480 at a team like Washington that all you know, we're 350 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,480 going to talk about how much cap space they could 351 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:31,039 have next summer because they have all these expiring contracts 352 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:34,399 if they don't want to trade those for longer term money, 353 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,399 for better players or whatever, I don't think. I think 354 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,440 they just want them to come off the books. And 355 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,000 like you're seeing more buyouts too. So yeah, the more 356 00:15:42,039 --> 00:15:44,600 we talk about it, it does seem like an expiring 357 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:48,639 contract for several reasons, just doesn't quite like it used 358 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,600 to be such a valuable thing, right, Like we used 359 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:53,120 to like fetishize those things. They just seem like they 360 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:55,960 were so useful. But yeah, it doesn't seem like that's 361 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:56,720 the case anymore. 362 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,559 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. Bonus topic here as well from Klerk Colson. 363 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,919 Have you all talked about Kelly Olynak to the Spurs yet? Uh? 364 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,720 I think that's another aspiring contract Washington end up get 365 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,600 they get two flyers on Malchi random used to be 366 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,679 a floater, extraordinary and Blake Wesley they get a second 367 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,320 round pick out of it. I like it for the 368 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:14,799 Spurs just because I want them to have as much 369 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:17,120 floorspasing on the floor as possible. I am I'm not 370 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,840 sure where you're at with it, Like it's it's super 371 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:21,279 low risk, but I am starting to worry, like are 372 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:23,679 their best floor spacers just now at the four and 373 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,080 the five spots? And that's basically it. I guess that 374 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,960 depends on how you feel about Fox Harper, Devin Vessell, 375 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,000 but like it's Barns, it's a Linux and Wemby I 376 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,600 view as like kind of their like most dangerous floor spacers. 377 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,559 I don't know where Devin Vessel belongs in all that. 378 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,039 It's tough with Dylan Harper. I have to see him 379 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,000 like it. So I found that it's like I support 380 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:45,919 it because like you just want spasing around Webby, but 381 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,039 it's could we get some like perimeter space? I know 382 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,960 Champagne's there, but like can we get some just like 383 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,159 guard better guard floor st basing around him? 384 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:52,879 Speaker 3: Yeah? 385 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: I mean it's they don't have they don't have Chip 386 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,919 England there. They haven't had him there for years. They're 387 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,960 in dire need of a shot doctor. I feel like 388 00:16:59,000 --> 00:16:59,879 for all their guards. 389 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: Our next topic is one that you proposed and I 390 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:06,319 am just in total agreement with it. So you want 391 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:06,960 to take us through it? 392 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the header is what are the Lakers 393 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,599 even doing? So we've maybe talked a little bit about this, 394 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:18,240 and I think we when we had oh that was 395 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:20,240 probably on the b R stream when we had Kobe 396 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,319 Price on to discuss some Lakers, but everything was kind 397 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:25,960 of so fresh. Then I think Lebron had just picked 398 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,400 up that player option, which again to emphasize the rare 399 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:32,240 like he's never done that before, and so that kind 400 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,400 of got us on the topic of, well, is that 401 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,759 because Lebron doesn't want to sign another one plus one? 402 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:41,119 Is that because it was not offered? And if and 403 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,519 in either case, what does that mean for what the 404 00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:45,559 Lakers are doing? And then we get the report I 405 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,279 think it was John Gambadoro saying Austin Reeves and Lebron 406 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:51,519 didn't like playing with Luca Reeves and his agent push 407 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,359 back on that, but that just. 408 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,559 Speaker 1: On the podcast, like what is it? 409 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: Oh, there must be best friends? All that was recorded 410 00:17:57,759 --> 00:17:58,440 like a while ago. 411 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 2: I think from what I could tell, well that definitely 412 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,039 scratched the little itch I have. Anytime there's like a 413 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:06,839 heliocentric ball dominant star player, I'm. 414 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,759 Speaker 3: Like, nobody likes Nobody fucking likes playing with that guy. 415 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:09,319 I just know it. 416 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 2: And so anytime there's little whispers of that, it feels, 417 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,279 I don't know, sort of real in my mind. But 418 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,960 so the Lakers' plans seem to be fairly like future 419 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,680 focused because Dorian Finney Smith got away and the Rockets 420 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,839 it turned out only guaranteed two of the four years 421 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:27,400 on that deal. 422 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: So I believe that, like I'd always talked about, he 423 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:32,680 wanted to get back to Texas, but there's no way, 424 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:33,960 like I just right. 425 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: So that introduces another element of like, are the guys 426 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,440 on the team looking at where the Lakers are relative 427 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,920 to the competition and saying like this isn't even that 428 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,599 good of a situation, like competitively. 429 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:47,319 Speaker 3: Or are there are other things? 430 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: Did Finney Smith decide I've played with Luca twice now 431 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,039 I'm not interested anymore. 432 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 433 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,599 Speaker 2: Uh, the DeAndre Hydden signing, I mean that's good value, 434 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,880 like where neither of us is a huge fan of his, 435 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,440 but like, yeah, he's a starting center I think in 436 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,480 a good situation where he's being spoon fed and asks 437 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:04,960 to do to a couple of things, and maybe he 438 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:08,000 you know, doubles down on the effort and seriousness of 439 00:19:08,039 --> 00:19:10,960 it all, and it's just like it makes sense. But 440 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:13,480 then again, another two year deal where maybe he's off 441 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,359 the books in twenty twenty seven as well, or should 442 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,839 be unless they do something weird. So like, I don't know, 443 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,079 that's a lots to throw out there. What is your 444 00:19:24,279 --> 00:19:29,640 sense of the Lakers' priorities do you? And if you 445 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,200 do have a sense of that, do you agree with them? 446 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,960 Like maybe they'll take the first question first? What do 447 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,759 you think the Lakers are aiming. 448 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,599 Speaker 1: For right now? Seven cap space? 449 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 3: Like I so they don't care about chasing a title 450 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:43,759 this season? 451 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:47,599 Speaker 1: I don't it does? I mean, I'm gonna ask you 452 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,599 right now, as the roster currently stands, where do they 453 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,799 rank in the Western I don't need an exact number, 454 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,960 but are they have top six Western Conference playoff team? 455 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,039 Speaker 2: No, I know they're like they're a third tier, which 456 00:19:58,279 --> 00:20:00,799 is anywhere from like nine to two well or something 457 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:01,480 in the conference. 458 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: I'd say, I don't think. I mean, you could question 459 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,920 whether the like Rich Rich Paul should have released that 460 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,599 statement after Lebron opted in, but like that's not the 461 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,680 statement of It felt like a last ditch effort to 462 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:17,319 either convey that Lebron actually was unhappy or to put 463 00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:19,960 pressure on the Lakers' organization to do something. But if 464 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,599 it was the latter, because I've seen a lot of 465 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:23,599 people frame it as that, and I'm open to the 466 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,039 idea that okay, sure, but like that doesn't do shit. 467 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:29,079 Like if you wanted to put pressure on them, you 468 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,240 would have opted out, but you couldn't because there wasn't 469 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:33,720 any money out there right for you to grab. So 470 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,599 I like, I don't think that they're focused on winning 471 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:41,640 a title next year, and that makes me wonder, like 472 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,440 what the play if they're focused on twenty twenty seven 473 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,799 cap space grant, we're talking about like a two year 474 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,000 stay of we're just gonna go as far as Luca 475 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:51,799 can carry us, And like, what is he twenty six? 476 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,000 That's young, but it's not young young and he has 477 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:58,680 a lot of just wear and tear on his body 478 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,599 for maybe not being in the best shape, but also 479 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,279 just he's played a lot of fucking basketball. And you 480 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,240 said this and I've actually repeated this on a couple 481 00:21:05,279 --> 00:21:08,359 of shows that I've done. You said, there's no guarantee 482 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,119 his next five years are as good as his previous 483 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,599 five years, and so like every season with him in 484 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,279 his prime is still precious. I don't I don't know. 485 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,000 I'm not saying that they should go out and trade 486 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:21,440 everything for a Mark Williams. Again, no, that was also 487 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,680 short sighted. But I don't understand the endgame here, to 488 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,640 be honest with you, Is it just that they want 489 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:29,599 Lebron's money to come off the books so they could 490 00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:33,160 start really reorienting. And who's on board with this? Because 491 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,880 Lebron clearly isn't Dorian Finney Smith either was and they 492 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,440 didn't want him, or he clearly wasn't and left. So 493 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:42,160 is Luca on board with this? Because by the way, 494 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,000 he's gonna be he's extension eligible this sumer. If he 495 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:47,359 doesn't sign one like that's gotta start, especially after kind 496 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,160 of what happened in Dallas and just the injuries he's 497 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,720 dealt with, that's gonna raise some real red flag so 498 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,519 their offseason look. Deandreton signing is fine. I find it 499 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:58,839 funny that he says he uses criticism as fuel and 500 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:02,519 you know what's happen. You've got a lot of criticism 501 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,680 in twenty twenty one, So are you just not hungry? 502 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:08,119 Is that what it was like? But it's like it's 503 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,039 a fine signing, but it's just their off season has 504 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:13,720 been wild and even Jake Laavia, that's a good addition 505 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:16,720 at that price, just wildly uninspiring. 506 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: So a couple of things I think you have to 507 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,440 you have to agree that really it's more the Finny 508 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,720 Smith exit. That's just kind of like, oh, so they're 509 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,640 not they're they're not going for it because you could 510 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,480 have or or he just said, don't don't try to 511 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,680 beat this offer, because clearly they could have, Like the 512 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,279 Lakers would have had no issue. 513 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,519 Speaker 3: Oh you want to guarantee three of the four years, great, 514 00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:41,000 we'll do that. Uh like that. 515 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,599 Speaker 2: So that suggests to me, and I agree with you 516 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,000 that like being the absolute best version you of the 517 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,680 Lakers you can be is not the top priority this year. 518 00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:53,480 And I feel like that's risky one, principally because of 519 00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:58,160 the whole Luca like aging performance health trajectory. Maybe it reverses, 520 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,160 but I don't know, Like you, sir, I certainly have 521 00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:04,519 more reservations about him aging well than I do about 522 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,039 most players, Like I just I think the last year 523 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:10,799 and the fact that Dallas moved him as crazy as 524 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:13,799 it seemed like it just I don't know, I'm not 525 00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:14,599 super confident. 526 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:16,839 Speaker 3: And then we talked about. 527 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: This too, like, all right, so you're gonna wait two 528 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:24,440 years and and hope that you get a second star 529 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:27,680 that's better than Lebron James is right now, I don't know, man, 530 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:30,160 like Lebron James is an All NBA player. I know 531 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,920 the runway is not long. I know it can end 532 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,039 at any time, but like, these two guys together might 533 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:37,759 be the best pairing you have while Luca is there. 534 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: That's totally possible. 535 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,759 Speaker 2: So I don't know that compared that coupled with these 536 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,240 this like we're waiting for this offseason of caps, I 537 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,160 just like I think that's a stupid strategy, especially two 538 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:50,720 years out, Like what are you doing? Like Luca could 539 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,240 tear his acl and work like tomorrow, Like I just 540 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:56,200 we're gonna wait, We're gonna assume he'll just everything's gonna 541 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,119 be fine for two years. I don't I don't like, 542 00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:01,480 I hate I hate that kind of thinking just because 543 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:05,000 everything changes way quicker than a two year timeline, like 544 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,960 there might be zero free agents in two years, Like 545 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,640 that's shouldn't that be the expectation and you have nothing 546 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,720 to spend your cap space on like that based on 547 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:13,160 how the last couple of years have gone, I think 548 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,880 that's totally on the table. So I'm not saying the 549 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,000 Lakers like have a chance to contend, but like just 550 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:24,880 deciding not to feels ridiculous to me. 551 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: And why so in the chat says it's good on 552 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,880 Lakers for not wasting their twenty thirties first round pick 553 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,519 and some stupid trade I was expecting too that Yeah one, yeah, 554 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:36,000 you're right, they tried. And also that's not what I'm saying, 555 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:39,759 but like talent retention, So Dory Phinney Smith is just 556 00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:42,599 the perfect example here to where technically his contract does 557 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,599 align with their twenty twenty seven cap space plans. Were 558 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:47,319 they not creative enough to think of it? Or again, 559 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:51,759 did he want out that badly? Which then raises more questions. 560 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,880 The thing I want to talk to you about is 561 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,960 what do you view as Lebron's endgame? With that statement, 562 00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:00,359 do you think he's actually unhappy? What are I have 563 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,400 trade I could throw at you? And he has no 564 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,319 trade clause. But like, what do you just view of 565 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,640 that entire situation, what do you what do you ultimately 566 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,559 think he wanted, Like by opting in. 567 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: What did he want? 568 00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:19,839 Speaker 1: Well, it's just like because I take it as maybe 569 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,359 I'm just misreading how valuable Lebron is, But I would 570 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,640 have thought if he's opting in, that's kind of a 571 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,160 clear show that like he's not happy with the way 572 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,039 things are going. The only other one could be he 573 00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:32,839 had no choice because they said, we're not even gonna 574 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,759 give you a new contract, which would be wild. 575 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,799 Speaker 3: So I think I like what he wants. 576 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: I think it is to make the decision that guarantees 577 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:49,119 him the most money and like doesn't cost him any face, 578 00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:51,240 I guess because if he opts out, and it's just 579 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,359 like we're gonna talk about like Lebron as a free agent, 580 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,960 who's gonna have to take the mini mid level, you know, 581 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,079 to go somewhere because nobody has any money. 582 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:03,079 Speaker 3: Like that's a bad that's a look he doesn't want. 583 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,759 I don't think. 584 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: I mean, like that is the side of this we 585 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,880 could talk about, is like if if he really wants 586 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,640 to just win, he I mean, certainly of all players, 587 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,400 Like he's the guy that no one would be upset 588 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,119 about taking the minimum to go just play wherever because 589 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,400 he's made plenty of money in and nobody's gonna argue like, well, 590 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,759 now that the argument against guys taking less is just like, well. 591 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 3: Now you're setting a precedent. 592 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 2: You're gonna cost us all money because teams are always 593 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,079 gonna expect us to like take a haircut, just so 594 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,279 the owner can say like as like, I understand why 595 00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:39,119 players don't do that, because it does hurt other players 596 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,240 if it happens often enough. But this, okay, the next 597 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960 time of forty whatever year old guy wants to take 598 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,599 less to win his fifth championship, Like, okay, cool that 599 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,640 we're gonna be alright with that. Like that wasn't on 600 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,200 the table. It doesn't seem like a trade wasn't on 601 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,640 the table. And so like I don't know if I 602 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,079 can divine like what he wants, but I think what 603 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,000 he did was just like all right, I'll take my 604 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:03,960 money and then trade me or don't. But like, what 605 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:06,160 are my options? Like I just he didn't have any 606 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,319 good alternatives if he's not going to take less. 607 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: So if he didn't have any alternatives. What do you 608 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,960 think was the purpose of that statement being released? 609 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: What just the whole like he is evaluating type of 610 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:18,119 things or like. 611 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: So I think the three options would be he's saving face, 612 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,759 he's letting it be known that he would like to 613 00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:26,200 be traded, or he was trying to put pressure on 614 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,480 the Lakers, which I again, if it's if it's the latter, 615 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,400 I just don't see the logic of anything that that's 616 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,000 been done. Put pressure on the Lakers to get better, 617 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:39,480 by the way, not necessarily to move him back. 618 00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean that is always what the one 619 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,000 plus ones have been about, right, is the thread of 620 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:46,680 him being able to leave. But like, I don't know 621 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,279 that the Lakers would be that upset if he just 622 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,599 left at this point. Maybe maybe it's like setting things 623 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,000 up to where if he does get traded, it can 624 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:55,680 he can his side can frame it as you know, 625 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,279 we work this out because I just want to go 626 00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,359 win a championship as opposed to like, the Lakers are 627 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,039 kind of done with me as the focal point and 628 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:02,079 that's why they traded me. 629 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,039 Speaker 1: So it's a saving you think it's a saving face move, It's. 630 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: It's kind of all the above. But there is an 631 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,319 element of the saving face for sure. 632 00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: So can I throw a couple of trade ideas at Yeah? 633 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,839 Why not? I know that maybe you're going to be 634 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:16,000 writing about or he wrote about already. But Harrison from 635 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,640 the Spurs, Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Jeremy Sohan and a 636 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,640 first round pick for Lebron. Who says no, that's how 637 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,119 we'll play this. 638 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,799 Speaker 2: Uh, who says no? I mean the Spurs definitely should 639 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,720 depending on which pick you're talking about, the Spurs should 640 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,039 definitely do that. I guess maybe the Lakers would say 641 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:38,319 no if I had to pick one, just because they 642 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,640 think they can do better. 643 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's like a cop out. 644 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: Answer, But Lebron can also say no because there's Lebron. 645 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, maybe that's it, because I we love the Spurs, 646 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,160 we love Wemby, but like there, their roster is not 647 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,240 quite ready for a primetime I don't think with the 648 00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:57,200 with so many young guards. But like, I don't know, 649 00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,559 that's a fun thought exercise. The Spurs would Lebron have 650 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,279 a better, like have more title equity than the Lakers 651 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:04,799 with Luca and Lebron this season? 652 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question. Okay. Next one, Dallas Mavericks 653 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,640 received Lebron James. The Los Angeles Lakers received Kyle Anderson, 654 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:20,480 Daniel Gafford, Najie Marshall, Klay Thompson, PJ. Washington and their 655 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:24,000 own twenty twenty nine first round pick back. The Jazz 656 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:28,160 receive Jared Vanderbilt and three second round picks. So that 657 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,519 would be Phillies into twenty thirty and then both Dallases 658 00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,039 and the Lakers is in twenty and thirty two. Who 659 00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:34,519 says no? 660 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: I think maybe the Lakers say no to that because 661 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:40,839 they have to waive like five guys. 662 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: I don't know what their roster stands at. 663 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,759 Speaker 2: Is that how much of that money I'm sorry, I'm 664 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:47,799 gonna answer questions with questions. How much of that money 665 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,559 is extending beyond where the Lakers wanted to. 666 00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:52,799 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Klay Thompson would be an expiring 667 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:55,960 contract in twenty twenty seven. Gafford would still have I 668 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,640 think three years left on his deal after that extension 669 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,039 or maybe two. But you're getting off of Jared Vanderbilt, 670 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:04,079 who would also be an expiring contract in that So 671 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:07,160 when PJ. Washington's like really used, So if you were 672 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,160 trying to be competitive. This feels like a package where 673 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,160 Naji Marshall is going to be off the books by then. 674 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,880 PG Washington, you can resign them, trade them, keep them, 675 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,079 get just let them walk through whatever you want, and 676 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,160 you're getting your own pickback in twenty twenty nine. 677 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,359 Speaker 2: I will say too that a Dallas team with Luca 678 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:27,079 and Gafford and PJ. Washington, you know, could make a finals. 679 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,119 Speaker 1: Theory already played alongside it. 680 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: That's what I mean, like you're just bringing half the 681 00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:32,839 rotation back I worked. 682 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,519 Speaker 1: Could you wrap your head around a Dallas team that 683 00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:38,759 has Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Lebron James, and Cooper Flag 684 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,000 I wouldn't know what to make of that roster. 685 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 2: I would very much enjoy that if I were Dallas, 686 00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:44,440 that would be kind of fun. 687 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,079 Speaker 1: I have. I think two more. This is an easy one, 688 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,839 and it's one that I think we've talked about the past. 689 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,200 The Lakers get Karl Anthony Towns, the Knicks get Lebron James. 690 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,440 Just straight up it works. 691 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: I'm doing that if I'm the Knicks, so fast, it's 692 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,599 as much as any to get out a Cat's contract, 693 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,000 I think. 694 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think Lebron is way more exciting there. 695 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: Uh. I agree. I think because it's the element of 696 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,519 do you appreciate the flexibility Lebron is an expiring contract 697 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:13,279 gives you. As a Knicks organization, you might but also, 698 00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,279 like they need Jordan Clarkson, there's a limit to what 699 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,799 he's gonna do for your offense, Like getting Lebron as 700 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,880 a ball hand when if you think you have Yabu, 701 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,039 you have Mitchell Robinson, Ariel huk Porty, maybe you have 702 00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:25,960 another minimum slot. Maybe you could get like a Chris 703 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,359 Bouchet still floting around out there. I would do it 704 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,640 if I was the knickt and I think that would 705 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,319 be an unpopular take if I had to guess, I 706 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,599 think Knicks fans would say no. But for Lebron's purposes 707 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,799 do you remember that quote or like the story about 708 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,319 him chasing ghosts and chasing Jordan in the sixth the Ring? 709 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,000 I really think if he went to New York and 710 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,599 want to ring like that's a team that hasn't won 711 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,599 in forever, that title might count as like two for one. 712 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,319 Speaker 2: And I think too, if you get Lebron as the Knicks, 713 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,000 this wouldn't be true necessarily for every other team, but 714 00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,039 like maybe you also just get out Horford on the 715 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:01,559 minimum now or like maybe like maybe there's a little 716 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:04,640 bit of like, oh, I'm gonna all things being equal, 717 00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:08,400 I'm a veteran, I'm gonna go play there, Like why not? 718 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,279 I mean that there could be some some knock on 719 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,599 effects that would be hugely positive if that happened. 720 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Wiso says, but then it's a huge risk a 721 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,279 line on Michel Robinson in the playoffs health wise. Yeah, 722 00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:19,079 that's like the alhor forget all. That's why. I don't 723 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,240 know what the defense looks like. But it's like going 724 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,519 from Lebron Connthley Towns to Lebron defensively, I don't know 725 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,599 how much that really impeded you. So my final one, 726 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,319 and this one's iffy because I think people's first response 727 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:34,119 would be, he won't agree to go here, Okay, and 728 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:38,480 that's fine. But the Denver Nuggets receive Lebron James and 729 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:43,480 Bronni James. The Lakers get Deron Holmes, Jamal Murray, Peyton 730 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,480 Watson in a twenty twenty eight first round swap. 731 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,599 Speaker 2: I I don't bump on the he wouldn't want to 732 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,240 go there. 733 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,279 Speaker 1: If he doesn't play with Yo Kich. You know what, 734 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,599 the Lakers should just wave. 735 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,599 Speaker 3: Him right to get out of here. Don't you don't 736 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,160 know ball so much to tell he doesn't know ball. 737 00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: Mind the game? My ass? Yeah? 738 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: Uh, I feel like trading Murray does Trading Murray feel 739 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,799 like a really seismic thing that the Nuggets don't want 740 00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,200 to do, even though that contract is probably negative. 741 00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, if you gave truth serum to 742 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,519 the front office, don't you think they might prefer the 743 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,440 flexible because now you don't have to work about paying 744 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,799 Peyton Watson. You get the Jamal Murray deal off on 745 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,519 Lebronz and expiring contract, even if he's resigning, which I'm 746 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,000 assuming would be the goal, there's like a shorter time 747 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,640 horizon on the commitment. And he's also still better than 748 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,759 Jamal Murray right. 749 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,119 Speaker 3: Now, that's actually true? Uh yeah. 750 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: I And then the Lakers have Murray and Luca going forward. 751 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,839 That Murray contracts, I don't know. 752 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:43,599 Speaker 3: He does it. 753 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:45,759 Speaker 2: He does it for stretches every year in the playoffs, 754 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:48,640 but I don't. I don't feel great about that one. 755 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,759 Speaker 1: My gut feeling says it's the Lakers who say no 756 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,319 because of the Murray contract, but like Murray's experience playing 757 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,119 alongside another star, I think him and Luca could do 758 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,359 some nasty things on offense. But if I was the Nuggets, 759 00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,200 I would do this in a heartbeat. 760 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, disappointed, not mad Suns fan ass with a no 761 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,319 trade clause. Doesn't the team trading for Lebron have a 762 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,280 lot more leverage and asking price or is there an 763 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,320 aspect of the negotiation I'm missing. 764 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: I think as Oh yeah, I was gonna say. I 765 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,320 think the aspect is if the Lakers like want twenty 766 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:18,039 twenty seven cap space, they could say we're not taking 767 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,679 on Jamal Murray's deal, like they if that's their plans 768 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,800 of right now, We're not taking on Jamal murrays deal. 769 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,519 We're gonna keep him regardless. If he doesn't want to 770 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:25,920 show up to camp and he wants to make a 771 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,079 thing of it, that's that's on him. But we're already 772 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,199 planning for the future. So your leverage to get stuff 773 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,400 out of teams would be I mean, like the Spurs 774 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,480 package is a good example. That's not a lot. So 775 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,280 it's not like you're making out like bands. Even with Dallash, 776 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,159 you're getting a lot of players but that's because Dallas 777 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:40,719 needs to figure out a way to match the money. 778 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 3: Right. 779 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: Our next topic is, oh, this is it sticks with 780 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,119 everything we've kind of just talked about, grant are teams 781 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,599 expecting free agency to become a thing again, specifically in 782 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:58,079 twenty twenty seven? We have evidence I guess that the Lakers, Clippers, 783 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,159 and Heat all seem to be prioritizing flexibility for next summer, 784 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,639 or more likely this summer after The potential twenty twenty 785 00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:09,960 seven free agency class includes Jokic, Luca, Jannis, Donovan, Mitchell, 786 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:14,719 Anthony Davis, Trey Young, Steph Curry, James Harden, Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, 787 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,440 kat Kyrie, Irving, Zach Lavine. This depends on how a 788 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,000 whole bunch of options shakes out and how extensions pan out. 789 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,679 But is there Am I missing something? As free agency 790 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:25,880 about to become a thing again? 791 00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 2: So I would say that if the biggest data point 792 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:35,639 you're looking at in saying free agencies making a comeback, 793 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,360 or that teams expect it is the list of potential 794 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,679 free agents a couple of years from now, then that's 795 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,039 not enough because this is always what the list looks 796 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,000 like until extensions take off half of them, and then 797 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,400 options being picked up take off another third, and you're 798 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,119 just left with, you know what we ended up with 799 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:54,760 like this year where it's like, oh my god, Harden 800 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,960 could be a free agent and Lebron's like option picked up, 801 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,679 option picked up, opt out, extend, resigned, Like they're just 802 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:02,280 so that's not enough. I think if you're trying to 803 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,320 argue that one, I guess, yeah, teams seemingly hoarding cap 804 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,639 space does suggest they think maybe we'll get back to 805 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,679 something where like a player of Giannis's caliber is like 806 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,519 unrestricted free agent, like didn't extend, didn't do anything. 807 00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,159 Speaker 3: Like maybe that's what this is. 808 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 2: It could also just be like, well, if our choices 809 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,400 now in the second Apron era are having a bunch 810 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,599 of cap space or signing dumb deals that cripple us 811 00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:27,719 and force us to trade picks to get off of 812 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,719 them or whatever, then. 813 00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 3: We'll just do the cap space thing. 814 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: That feels like as far as I'm willing to go, 815 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,000 it's like all I know is teams don't want to 816 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,159 sign stupid deals if they can help it anymore, because 817 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:38,320 it's just like it's so. 818 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 3: Much more punitive than it used to be. 819 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 2: But like I Yeah, that's where I would land on it. 820 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,960 That's the kind of a non answer. All right, So 821 00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,960 you're posing the question, do you think that teams are 822 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,840 acting as if like, well, we're just going to get 823 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,639 back into superstars will hit free agency again? 824 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,519 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's why I was asking the question. 825 00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:58,599 And the thing is, I think could they also be 826 00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:00,159 coming at it from a perspective of it, And this 827 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:03,920 might apply really to only the Clippers, but are they 828 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,519 just viewing it as a convenient reset point where some 829 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,360 of our stars are so old that it's just better 830 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,000 to have that flexibility figure it out from there. Also, 831 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,559 if you just kind of pinpoint a year, like like 832 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,199 let's say if this started last Sea, it's like three 833 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,000 years into the future, think about how many more first 834 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,199 round picks you open up to trade for some of 835 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,920 these teams, And so are you just saying you're buying 836 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,519 time and flexibility to make that next trade? And the 837 00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,639 other thing I've considered is do we see more like 838 00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:35,679 Norman Powell, maybe slightly better level players reach free agency 839 00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,119 because like the extensions just aren't there, off rip, And 840 00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:40,719 so you're viewing it as do we get back to 841 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,239 a model in so far because it always soell like 842 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,639 you need to have two superstars, but maybe it's we 843 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,840 have the one superstar and then there's a bunch of 844 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,320 Really because of how important depth seems to be when 845 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,320 you look at what the Pacers, the thunder of the Rockets, 846 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,039 even the calves we're doing this year, is it that's 847 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:56,960 the model? Now we're and maybe we have a rookie 848 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,840 scale max, like we're hoping to hit the lottery there, 849 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,679 but no, we have our megastar and we're gonna use 850 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,679 free agency to get a bunch of other top fifty 851 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,800 to top seventy five players rather than focus on how 852 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,519 do we poach whether it's via trader free agency, that 853 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,760 other top ten, top fifteen, top twenty guy. 854 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that there's something to that. 855 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,599 Speaker 2: I think just to like take the Rockets as an example, Like, 856 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:26,639 I think what maybe we'll see more of is teams 857 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,639 with the leverage to extend guys at less than the max, 858 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,320 like the Jalen Green thing in the Shngoon deal and 859 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,039 Jabari Smith, like all those guys got rookie scale deals 860 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,800 under the max that didn't used to happen and that 861 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,840 was really hurting free agency. So maybe that's sort of like, 862 00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:48,519 I don't know the trend of guys that used to 863 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,440 just be rubber stamped like four year scaled maxes or whatever, 864 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,840 and sometimes five are doing a little less, a little shorter. 865 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,800 Maybe there's an option on the end, and. 866 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,159 Speaker 3: Those guys get the free agency more than they used to. 867 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 2: It's just it's hard for me to envision a scenario 868 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,159 where like the top top guys get to free agency 869 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,800 at like a markedly higher rate than they are right now, 870 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,599 just because if you're that good, chances are you're like 871 00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:15,079 running your team and you're just gonna be offered extensions. 872 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,400 Like Jokic came out today as were recordings, isn't going 873 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,920 to extend at his first opportunity. But that's just because 874 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,079 he can get more if he waits, Like so you. 875 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: Know what it better be because it better put the 876 00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:27,559 put pressure on order to talk about them in the second. 877 00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what I mean, it's hard for 878 00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:32,719 me to imagine right now, just based on this list 879 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,880 that like all these guys are going to be available 880 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,239 and really only like the top two or three are 881 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,199 that notable given their. 882 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this is from Grace Shout out Grace friend 883 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,960 of the podcast. I would personally not want to move 884 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,440 on from Jamal, but if you have, if you gave 885 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:49,440 him cruise serum, I actually don't know. I think they'd 886 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,280 prefer if Jamal were just on a smaller number, but 887 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,320 I don't know. Oh for sure, Yeah, he was just 888 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,480 the quintessential, like he had all the leverage because they 889 00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,679 couldn't replace him. So it was very clear, I mean 890 00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:00,639 like they signed him after just like it very clear 891 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:02,119 that he was injured, which was right. 892 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:05,199 Speaker 2: So well, and he's a good example too, Like I 893 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,800 wonder if today the Nuggets squeeze him a little more 894 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,360 and you don't just get the deal that he got. 895 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,559 Speaker 1: And it's there is a danger because of what the 896 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:15,719 Pacers did with Miles Turner, but they've also been trying 897 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,920 to get rid of Myles Turner for like a decade. 898 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,280 It seems like and I think, what's more interesting, And 899 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,239 we're gonna talk about restricted free agents in a second, 900 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,880 but it does seem like Chicago with Josh Giddy and 901 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,639 Golden State with Jonathan Kaminga are trying to apply their 902 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,639 leverage and it's easier to do it in restricted free 903 00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:33,000 agency because you have the chance to match. But I 904 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,559 would use here's another example. Jason Tatum is healthy and 905 00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:39,320 Jalen Brown is super MAXI eligible this summer. He's not 906 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,119 getting the deal that he got two years ago. 907 00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 3: Right, No, I can't. 908 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 2: I didn't think you should have got it then, although 909 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,880 like you just you just do it because you know 910 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,119 you're where they were. 911 00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:49,599 Speaker 3: But but yeah, I think that's right. 912 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: So grant this one's. This one's I'm happy that you 913 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,880 said this because I thought when we talked, I don't 914 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,920 rememer if it was you and me or me and 915 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,199 more where I expressed just I think the Nuggets are 916 00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:02,559 the second best team of the Western COFFERCE. So I 917 00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:04,360 want to make that clear. This is the preface everything 918 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,400 that you're about to say. But I have some questions 919 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,800 about just the method of operations that it took to 920 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,239 get here. 921 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we did touch on this just briefly, 922 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,039 and I hadn't really formed my thoughts on it. I'm 923 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:18,559 still kind of up in the air a little bit. 924 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,239 I would I would say, I like, I like a 925 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,719 lot about the trade from Denver side of it. So 926 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,679 just they give up. They give up MPJA and a 927 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,039 twenty thirty two unprotected pick to Brooklyn and they get 928 00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:31,920 Cam Johnson back. 929 00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:33,559 Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about how like. 930 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 2: Cam Johnson quietly has been a lot less durable than MPG, 931 00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:37,679 and that's a huge knock on him over the last 932 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:41,599 several years. That's one factor I think, and I think 933 00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:45,239 where we landed was like, this can't just be about 934 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,840 saving seventeen million dollars a year over the next two 935 00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,480 and paying an unprotected distant first. 936 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 3: To do that. 937 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,079 Speaker 2: That if that's what this was about, then this trade 938 00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,280 sucks and I hate it and Denver should be ashamed 939 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,599 of itself, right, Like that's kind of where we're like, you, 940 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,039 you can't be this good of a team with a 941 00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,400 player like yo, Kitchen, have that be like your big move. 942 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,280 I lean towards I think Johnson might be as good 943 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,639 or better than than MPG. I think he's a more 944 00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:13,280 well rounded player, even with the durability track record stuff. 945 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,559 You still you've got Mpg's back, You've got the shoulder thing, 946 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,360 Like that's a thing, that's a real I know. 947 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,679 Speaker 1: I think, I'm sorry, what is the actual case for 948 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,159 him being noticeably better than MPJ? Like, what aside from 949 00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:29,079 the you if you think that his body's gonna hold 950 00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,559 up way better over the next two years. And you 951 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,000 think that Michael Porter Junior is gonna average like forty 952 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,960 one games play or something. Yeah, if that's what you 953 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,199 believe in the Nuggets, no more about MPG than anyone. 954 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:41,519 Totally fair, But like you punted on a twenty thirty 955 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:45,480 two first round pick, right, it felt more financially motivated 956 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,280 to me than it did. 957 00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:51,519 Speaker 2: I think. I think the financial component is indivisible from this. Obviously, 958 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:53,519 you gave up a twenty thirty two pick, and it's 959 00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:56,559 like we're debating which players better like that. Okay, that's 960 00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:00,639 that's crazy, right, Like so, so that that tells you that, like, yeah, 961 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:05,440 they cared about the savings. I think if that's if so, 962 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,320 the only way it's okay for me is if the 963 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,719 savings are part of the reason that Denver decides, Okay, 964 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,360 now we can go out and get guys, and so like, 965 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,480 what was it? It's Bruce Brown and who else did 966 00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:20,000 they get that was part of it? Tim Hardaway Junior, 967 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,440 both on minimums I think, are like parts of the 968 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:26,119 BAE or the minimu or whatever it is. So that's 969 00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:28,960 not necessarily those guys probably were coming on board anyway. 970 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,199 So I think maybe what I'm saying is like the 971 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,079 Nuggets also need to go do something else, and maybe 972 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,559 that's Valentunis and that hopefully they're able to like work 973 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,079 this out that he actually stays in the NBA. 974 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 3: That's that's kind of where I've landed. 975 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,599 Speaker 2: Where it's like, if it's just the trade with Brooklyn 976 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,960 and it was only about money, then I don't like it. 977 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,280 But if it was part of a bigger plan to 978 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,760 go acquire depth under whatever restrictions ownership has spending wise, 979 00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,360 then I understand it, because because they are trying to 980 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,480 make the team better and deeper around Jokic. It's still 981 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:08,639 like it's an imperfect situation though, obviously because the finances 982 00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:10,000 are a pretty big part of it. 983 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 1: And I think, so this set you up to because 984 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,320 you cut so much money, set you up to make 985 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,239 the storage for Yonas Valentuni's trade, which I think you 986 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,239 can reasonably say if Jonas Sonchrin is gonna play, which 987 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,760 the reporting is is that they're going to hold him 988 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,400 to his contract, this could be the best roster that 989 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,239 they've ever put around Nikola Jokic. But it's sort of 990 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,039 just that, like at what cost and what was the 991 00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:36,400 process here, And I'm also wondering, why do you want 992 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,360 to force a player to play for you who doesn't 993 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,360 want to be, Like why aren't we hearing more about 994 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,440 like retrading him, like especially once the aggregation, like once 995 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,760 he can be aggregated again because in theory like that 996 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,559 a lot allows you to step out of your way 997 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:52,559 a little bit more because he makes almost double what 998 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:56,119 Dario Sarish was on the books for. And I just 999 00:44:56,199 --> 00:45:00,280 don't understand. I understand why they wanted yonais placunisn't me wrong, 1000 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,039 But you didn't have intel that he didn't want to 1001 00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:04,519 be in the States when you went out and got him. 1002 00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,199 And maybe it was just about But the other thing 1003 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:09,880 too is just like could this be Like they're saying 1004 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,679 this now, but they're like, you know, he really wanted out. 1005 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,599 He's gonna give back all his salary and the Kronkeys 1006 00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:15,599 just save a bunch more money. I know they're under 1007 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,039 the tax right now. So I just I don't know. 1008 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,239 I I think if you used your twenty thirty you 1009 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,760 got Michael, you basically turned Michael Porter Junior in that 1010 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,679 twenty thirty two first round pick into Cam Johnson and 1011 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,199 Yonis Valentunis, who may or may not want to play 1012 00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:33,760 for you. I don't know how to feel about that. 1013 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,519 I think the Nuggets are the second best team in 1014 00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:37,480 the West, but I think you could have said that 1015 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,199 independent of all these moves, because of what the show 1016 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,760 of force they gave against that Thunder playoff series. And 1017 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,639 I'm just like, how many times like, yeah, it worked 1018 00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,440 out sometimes, like the KCP trade that was a cost 1019 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,400 cutting move before it really was about KCP. But it's 1020 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,519 just like the Michael Porter Junior trade. I understand, like 1021 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,199 his salaries inflated relative to the player that he is 1022 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,000 and the role that he's playing, but you don't even 1023 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,320 know if you got it. It was all about cutting money, 1024 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,239 and now the backup big you got because of it, 1025 00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:07,320 you don't even like, we can't even guarantee that he's there. 1026 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,519 And so I just have And by the way, we're 1027 00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:12,239 celebrating the Nuggets offseason and you just said, NICOLEA. Yokus 1028 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,559 is gonna sign an extension, which you said, yes, Well, 1029 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,039 I want to make it clear he stands to guarantee 1030 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:20,800 himself eighty plus million more dollars by doing that, But 1031 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,000 like I just I don't know. I would rather. I 1032 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:26,960 think if I were the Nuggets, I don't think this 1033 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,840 was a I don't think this hurt their team on 1034 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,559 the court what they did this offseason. I want to 1035 00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:33,280 make that one hundred percent clear if anything can helped 1036 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,480 them because you turned yes a future first round pick, 1037 00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:39,239 which the mystery box appeal we over romanticize it. I 1038 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,280 get it, you deepen your rotation by a factor of 1039 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,719 one player by making the you know that that trade 1040 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,559 just because you got Cam Johnson, you got Jonasvalentcinnis. But 1041 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,159 like twenty thirty two, maybe are we all even still 1042 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,039 gonna be here by now? Without notice? But I just 1043 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,320 I'm not set Phil Brown like this is just does 1044 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,079 anyone listen? I just I don't know understand. Shoutout Phil 1045 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,320 for I guess watching, But I'm not saying the nugget 1046 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,079 they got deeper but at the cost of their twenty 1047 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,400 thirty two unprotected first round pick. I just asking questions. 1048 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,239 It doesn't mean that I'm tripping, No. 1049 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,280 Speaker 2: I think I think, yeah, they they're better. Uh, And 1050 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,440 it wouldn't have taken much because they were real thin 1051 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,880 and we've been talking about this forever. I think the 1052 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,800 issue is just like We're not sold that the motivation 1053 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,280 for their biggest move was. 1054 00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 3: Like the right one. 1055 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,079 Speaker 1: Right. 1056 00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 3: That's all we're saying is that. 1057 00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 2: Like it kind of just feels like you like, if 1058 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,920 you're in your contract's not good, I get it. That's 1059 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,320 like it's also I know it's a distant pick, but 1060 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,800 it's not like the Nuggets have this massive stockpile of 1061 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,039 first to move, like that's one of the only ones 1062 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:45,920 that they can trade. 1063 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: That's it. 1064 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,559 Speaker 3: So they yeah, so they don't. 1065 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,760 Speaker 2: So that's like a pretty big bullet to fire for them. 1066 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,360 Maybe it doesn't mean as much to a team that 1067 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,519 has thirteen incoming first, but it's just it's look, until 1068 00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:02,440 the Nuggets prove otherwise, they've been making cost cutting moves 1069 00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:05,760 and and like that has been the reason for it. 1070 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,079 I think it's great that they maybe coincidentally like got 1071 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,199 got deeper this summer. Right, If they're two separate issues, 1072 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,679 then like I hate the trade, But if it's all 1073 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,280 of a piece and they're really like that they weren't 1074 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,800 gonna get hard Away, and they weren't gonna get Valentunis, 1075 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,559 and they weren't gonna get Bruce Brown if they hadn't 1076 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,159 made that trade, then then I like it. 1077 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,800 Speaker 3: I don't know that that's that's all it is. 1078 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,280 Speaker 1: Do you what is what do you make of the 1079 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,639 Honus Valentuna situation. By the way, again, if he is 1080 00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:33,920 going to play, it's a fine pick up. But if 1081 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,679 he's not gonna play, like, if he doesn't want to 1082 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,679 be there, if you're the Nuggets, you can't like, yeah, 1083 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,199 you save money. If he's want to give back all 1084 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,960 your salary, no no harm, no foul technically, but you 1085 00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,480 have to look at retrading him, right if he really 1086 00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:46,559 doesn't want to be. 1087 00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,280 Speaker 2: There, Yeah, I mean, what are your alternatives? He's just 1088 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,519 he's just not gonna report and you find and suspend 1089 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:52,639 him like that, and then. 1090 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: Everybody's let him leave, which is just so so if if. 1091 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,159 Speaker 2: They if what happens is they let him leave, and 1092 00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,519 they're like, huh, suckers, we just save five million dollars 1093 00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:02,440 a Dario Sarach salary and then we don't have to 1094 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,519 pay him anything, like if that's what it is, and 1095 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:05,320 then we really. 1096 00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:06,519 Speaker 3: Are gonna hate the offseason. 1097 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,840 Speaker 1: So I just have a trade to propose in the 1098 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,840 event that like Yonas Salachiunis doesn't And I don't think 1099 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,039 it's Denver specifically. He might just want to leave the States, 1100 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,519 is what I kind of gathered from any of that. 1101 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,000 But so my trade would be the Nuggets get Gogo Patadze, 1102 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,360 iodusun Mu and Jalen Smith. The Bulls get Zeke Naji 1103 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,559 Yonas Valenciunis. We know that the Rhyan's doors like to 1104 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,119 save money, so if he's leaving, you get to buy 1105 00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,039 him out. They also get Peyton Watson in Denver's twenty 1106 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,960 thirty two second round pick. The Magic get Hunter Tyson 1107 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,280 and a twenty twenty eight second round pick from Chicago 1108 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,400 top thirty five protection. They're towing a fine tax line. 1109 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,719 If they want to fill out their roster, they're going 1110 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,559 to be in the tax and I think with Paalo 1111 00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:51,440 Bankkaro signing his deal, we're going to talk about that 1112 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,519 in a second. I just don't think I'm all for 1113 00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:56,559 it if they want to do it, but they're not 1114 00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:58,920 owned by Steve Bomber and so I don't think they 1115 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,880 should be starting the repeater o'clock. The Nuggets also have 1116 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,360 a swap. I did get some feedback on this from people. 1117 00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:06,400 They said it feels like the Nuggets are making out 1118 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,039 like bandits. Maybe I value Peyton Watson more, but you 1119 00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,559 could include a first round swap in twenty thirty to Chicago. 1120 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,079 Speaker 2: That was my first thoughts, like how quickly can the 1121 00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:17,239 Nuggets say yes to this? But if you then if 1122 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,239 you throw a swap in there and again they're limited, 1123 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,480 I think that makes it a little more like realistic. 1124 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 3: But I still like that for the Nuggets. 1125 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: So but I think that they should be looking to 1126 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,559 if he doesn't want to be there, like he can 1127 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,880 be a retrade cannonate Valancius could be, and if he plays, 1128 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,000 that's gonna just make their bench a lot better when 1129 00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:35,559 it comes to someone who can give you some offense 1130 00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:38,880 mash guys on the boards and down low. I don't 1131 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,800 know what we have next year. Do you we have? Okay, 1132 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,679 I know what we have next year? This is my question, 1133 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,079 My question to you, grant any chance we see offseason 1134 00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,440 buyouts or wave and stretches become more of a trend. 1135 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,679 Just look at what's gonna happen with Dame. Look at 1136 00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,159 what it looks like it's trending towards in the Beal 1137 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,199 situation where the nugget the Suns just want to have, 1138 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:03,960 would rather have up almost twenty million dollars in extra 1139 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,760 dead money on their books for the next half decade 1140 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,519 than just bradly be on their roster for the next 1141 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,239 two years. And then also, look what happened with Aighton 1142 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,320 in Portland giving back ten million bucks. Look at what 1143 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,880 might happen, Like, we haven't heard anything on the Cole 1144 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,519 Anthony Memphis situation. Where was there gonna part ways? It 1145 00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:19,559 sounds like he was headed towards a buyout. Is there 1146 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:21,159 anybody that could be next? Do you think this is 1147 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,280 just sort of a blip on the radar made Have 1148 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,599 you just not even like clocked it? 1149 00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:27,760 Speaker 2: No? I have been thinking about it a little bit 1150 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,840 because the Dame thing was so just like that was shocking, 1151 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,719 right like, and it it also made sense, I guess 1152 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,920 in Milwaukee's specific circumstances. But I just never imagined that 1153 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,119 that was something that was gonna happen. I do think, 1154 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:46,360 I do think saying that a trend is coming is 1155 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,000 a little bit too far from me, because like after 1156 00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:54,039 Dame and Beale and Aidan's a little different, Like, there 1157 00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:57,039 aren't that many of those kinds of contracts out there anymore. 1158 00:51:57,079 --> 00:51:59,039 I guess maybe check back on Jamal Murray in a 1159 00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:00,760 year or two, or like trying to think who else 1160 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,920 would even be in that, Like this guy's making fifty 1161 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,360 million dollars and is just like not helpful anymore or 1162 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,760 wants out like that. I don't think there's that many 1163 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,239 guys left because teams aren't signing players to those kinds 1164 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,119 of contracts as readily anymore. 1165 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,639 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. Jalen Brown is another candidate, maybe 1166 00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:19,679 like down the line, but. 1167 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,679 Speaker 1: I thought, you're they're gonna way a stretch him now, No, you. 1168 00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 2: Know, I'm just trying to think of, like, Okay, who 1169 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,960 could in a couple of years be in like a 1170 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,760 Beal situation or a Dame situation. Dame is different because 1171 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,440 of the injury. Cole Anthony is very much like the 1172 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,280 which one of these doesn't belong in this group? But 1173 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,840 I think I think, no, I don't think this is 1174 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,960 gonna be a huge trend. I'd like to use the 1175 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,679 Wizards as an example, as we have a lot of 1176 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,760 their players here. I kind of I thought maybe some 1177 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,440 buyouts for like Middleton were possible. 1178 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,440 Speaker 3: But like, I don't know, why not just let those 1179 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:51,639 contracts expire? What's it? 1180 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,639 Speaker 2: What's it to the Wizards, right, like the buyout is 1181 00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:57,199 like we get nothing for this other than a roster spot. 1182 00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,800 I don't see why that's like a more palla. 1183 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,119 Speaker 1: I think in the Wizard's case, it would be okay, 1184 00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,519 you open playing time for youngsters to where's Chris Middleton 1185 00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,800 taking touches in minutes away from Cam Wittmore. There's also Treatum, 1186 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,199 Well is that better than just but like saving because 1187 00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:15,239 if you don't think you can remove him. So I 1188 00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:17,039 don't know if I don't think it's gonna be the 1189 00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:18,920 start of a trend. But this offseason has been mega 1190 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,519 weird on that front. I'm almost more just wondering are 1191 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,880 team's gonna be or is this just sort of we're 1192 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,159 at the front end of like kind of the beginning 1193 00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:29,599 of the apron era, and now we're gonna see like 1194 00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,280 teams are over correcting in the face of that. 1195 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 3: I think that's right. 1196 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,000 Speaker 2: I think the contracts we're talking about our vestiges of 1197 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:39,360 the old era. We're in the new era now, and 1198 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,239 teams are gonna sign players, you know, in keeping with 1199 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,960 the rules and standards of the day, as opposed to like, okay, 1200 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,480 once these are all like get aged out or whatever. 1201 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,800 It's kind of like when all the crazy contracts signed 1202 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,800 in twenty sixteen, like the Capspike summer, It's like, once 1203 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,719 those are all gone, it was like, huh, all right, 1204 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,599 now we can get back to just operating in reality. 1205 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm I'm gonna be called I just feel 1206 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,400 like Marcus Martin name I might be watching where just 1207 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,039 feels like, look at all those guards and are on 1208 00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,880 the Wizards now. But I agree with you that we can't. 1209 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:11,639 I wasn't trying to infer trying to I just this 1210 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,119 all season has been weird. 1211 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 2: Right, There's there's one if mb it gets another bad injury, 1212 00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:17,719 but the Sixers buy him out. 1213 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,039 Speaker 1: Man, how would he do that? Like he's guaranteed like 1214 00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,079 two hundred and fifty million over the next four years. 1215 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,079 Speaker 3: I don't know. He could just chill out somewhere. 1216 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,039 Speaker 1: Does matt ishb have the worst case of new owner 1217 00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:29,320 syndrome in history? Yeah? 1218 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 3: Modern? 1219 00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1220 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,440 Speaker 2: Modern, like in recent memory, Like, no doubt about it. 1221 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,719 I hesitate to even think of his like is there. 1222 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:40,039 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily support Milwaukee did They're just trying to 1223 00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:43,400 keep you honest. But on the bill front, like I 1224 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,800 don't understand the logic of the Suns at all, aside 1225 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,800 from trying to save tax money, because who, what is 1226 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,079 the move that you're making like that you can't make 1227 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:54,079 now that getting rid of Beal is gonna allow you 1228 00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:58,079 to do. I still don't understand if it's purely financially motivated. Again, 1229 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,920 that's dumb. Like it's just I understand that's a part 1230 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,639 of like the team building concept. But you can't. Where 1231 00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:07,440 are you going the next half decade if you have 1232 00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:09,440 it's a little under twenty million. If he gives back 1233 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,800 the money he needs to for them to make it 1234 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,480 work the next couple of years, you're going nowhere with 1235 00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:15,920 just a twenty million dollar dead money cap hit on 1236 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,719 your books. You can't. I would bet if you sit 1237 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,760 the over under on the number of times the Suns 1238 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,519 make the playoffs during that five year span at one 1239 00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:25,239 and a half, I will smash the under. 1240 00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. 1241 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,519 Speaker 2: I mean this, this shouldn't be a sufficient motivation to 1242 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,119 think buy out with the type of money we're talking 1243 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:36,159 for Beal. But it's like the vibes are so bad. 1244 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,559 That's like he's he hates it there. Everybody's pissed off, 1245 00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:42,000 like on his behalf even like maybe he's liked by 1246 00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:43,519 this teammates still despite it. 1247 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,559 Speaker 3: Like maybe that would be part of it. But you 1248 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:46,280 can't make. 1249 00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:48,280 Speaker 2: Like you can't just set one hundred million dollars on 1250 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,840 fire just because because the locker room's got some issues. 1251 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,159 I think you just send them home, I guess, and say, like, 1252 00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:57,719 we'll pay you, you'll pay your money, you just aren't 1253 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,280 gonna play, and we'll make this two year, you know, 1254 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,480 stretch of purgatory as opposed to just just further crippling 1255 00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:06,960 our next half decade, you know. 1256 00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:10,039 Speaker 1: And my final question just on this front is like, 1257 00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:12,519 and now just slip my mind so I don't even 1258 00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:14,119 remember it, so we might need to move on. That's 1259 00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:18,159 just that's that's awesome podcasting right now. I find I 1260 00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:21,239 find the entire thing though, just fascinating because it's just 1261 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,320 having we've never seen that type of dead money on 1262 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,559 the books, and now we might have two teams with it, 1263 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,800 so I don't necessarily I'm curious to see if that 1264 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,719 just becomes anything or like you said kind of at 1265 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,679 the top of this, it just feels like an overreaction 1266 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,719 to or it's they're over correcting in the face of 1267 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,440 what happened with the Aprons and if I remember what 1268 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,119 I was thinking, So I thought it was a good point. 1269 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,320 I'll circle back to it. 1270 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:39,800 Speaker 3: Let me know. 1271 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, we are on too. Someone added a Knicks. 1272 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,079 Speaker 3: Question, my New York Knicks. 1273 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, Grant's New York Knicks. You could tell by his hat, Grant, 1274 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,239 what do you make of the Knicks? Just like I 1275 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,320 don't think we've talked about the Mike brown hire specifically, 1276 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,159 and they also the other the other note, it's on 1277 00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:56,880 the screen if you're watching that. I did want to 1278 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,559 pick at is we have Ian Bagley. He said this twice. 1279 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,719 He wrote bet twice. The Knicks did background on DeAndre 1280 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,159 Ayton because they like his fit next to Towns, and 1281 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,280 he also reported that when they signed Yabucelli, it was 1282 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,079 because they liked the idea of him coming off the 1283 00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,960 bench behind Robinson and Karl Anthony Towns. So I feel 1284 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,639 like they've decigned karnthy Town's needs to play with another 1285 00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:20,159 big which I think makes Karl Anthony town substantially less 1286 00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:22,599 valuable on his go Oh, I remember, can I go 1287 00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:26,199 back circle back to my question? I was I thought 1288 00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:28,400 this was gonna be Jared Jackson Junior as sort of 1289 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,639 the litmus test as to why, like what is the 1290 00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:34,760 bar for getting a max type deal? And now he 1291 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,119 did get it was a renegotiating extent, so like it 1292 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:38,920 ends up being maybe the four year max what he 1293 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,280 could have gotten next year. Is there a player you're 1294 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,559 kind of watching to where it's let's see, like where 1295 00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:45,559 the because if it was Jalen Brown, like we said 1296 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:47,920 before this summer, I could see it being him. It 1297 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,360 was Bradley Beale in his prime. Like I'm just I 1298 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,039 is it weird that I'm focusing on Trey Young and 1299 00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:57,159 his extension with the Hawks as just like that's someone 1300 00:57:57,159 --> 00:57:59,239 who is supposed to be your best player, but he's 1301 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,400 not very clearly a top two player. So could they 1302 00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:05,239 does he not get a max extension or is it 1303 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,239 a shorter one, or is there just another player we 1304 00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:09,920 should be kind of or even an archetype. Maybe they're 1305 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,159 not even up for an extension soon or free agent soon, 1306 00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:14,400 but you're looking at them and saying, that's gonna be 1307 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,800 kind of the barometer for where the new contract bars 1308 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:18,800 are going to be set. 1309 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,719 Speaker 2: I think Trey is a great one, uh to to 1310 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,920 test that theory. I wonder if like you can't use 1311 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,159 like I already mentioned the Rockets Rookie scale guys as 1312 00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,280 examples of like an aw Pallo flies on the face 1313 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,039 of this because he did get the player option that 1314 00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:35,760 like nobody was getting. The rookie scale ones are harder 1315 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,239 to use as like a barometer. But yeah, what about 1316 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,719 like I don't know, like John Morant that the stock 1317 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,559 is as low as it can get, but like he'll be, 1318 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,639 he's not. His next extension won't be a rookie scale one. 1319 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,039 Speaker 3: Trey's Tray's probably. 1320 00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:53,559 Speaker 2: The the best, like next in line case for this. 1321 00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 3: I think. 1322 00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:56,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was just I'm putting a pin in that. 1323 00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:58,480 I'm happy that I remember it while we were meet too. 1324 00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:01,280 So what do you make of the Knicks and their 1325 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,639 decision to CONTI Town. It seems like they want to 1326 00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:06,079 start him alongside another big And the other thing is, 1327 00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:08,639 unless you think Dottie is gonna do something this year, 1328 00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:11,239 they're very like wing going from like oh look at 1329 00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:14,559 wingstop to now they're just very wing light and there's 1330 00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:17,119 not they didn't lose anybody, thatsly changes that. 1331 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,199 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I think, well just start at the top. 1332 00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:23,159 I think Mike Brown's probably about as well as they 1333 00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:27,119 could have done. And and I think there's a great 1334 00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:29,079 chance that, like we talked about this a little bit 1335 00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:32,800 to where he may not be a better coach on 1336 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,000 balance than Thibodeau, but he might be as good and 1337 00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:36,719 he might be a little different, and that might be, 1338 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,880 you know, net out as a positive. I mean, he 1339 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,639 will be different, I think, just in terms of like 1340 00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:46,679 what he prioritizes and how he uses rotation and things 1341 00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:50,760 like that, probably more offensively inventive. I mean, I certainly 1342 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,920 hope so, because I feel like there's just so much 1343 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,679 untapped upside in the Knicks offense. 1344 00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:58,960 Speaker 3: But so did the cat. 1345 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,480 Speaker 2: Like we're learning anything new about Kat like that he's 1346 01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:06,719 not he can't be a center defensively. He was good 1347 01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:08,719 with Rudy Gobert. I think he's gonna be good with 1348 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,960 Mitchell Robinson. That inherently makes him less valuable because like 1349 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,480 good shooters that can't protect the rim are just like 1350 01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:19,679 they're forwards, and there are a lot of those guys, 1351 01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,880 and you probably want your forwards to do more and 1352 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,480 you don't want them to be paid that much. So yeah, 1353 01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:29,159 it devalues him, for sure. But I don't feel like 1354 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,119 we're not. I think it's the best way to play him. 1355 01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:35,679 To be clear, I think I think Robinson adds so 1356 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,440 much the Knicks don't get from other guys on both 1357 01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:40,320 ends that like, yeah, he's got to start as long 1358 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,480 as he's healthy, and you manage his minutes, and Kat 1359 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,119 will play some center. But but I, yeah, I'm not. 1360 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,000 I don't feel like we've had some kind of the 1361 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,280 curtain hasn't been pulled back. This is like a thing 1362 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,360 that we knew, you know. 1363 01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah and so, and Cynthia has a good question that 1364 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,800 we're actually gonna tackle at the end of the segment. 1365 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,760 So I'll throw it up there in a couple of minutes. Cynthia, 1366 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,719 I it's probably the right call. And we didn't see 1367 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,599 enough of Robinson and Cat together. They played I think 1368 01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:06,320 through the playoffs in regular season sixty seven minutes left. Granted, 1369 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,000 Robinson missed a ton of time. They were the Knicks. 1370 01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:11,559 Rod scored by one point during that time, but they 1371 01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:14,280 grabbed forty two and a half percent of their own 1372 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,360 misses and they shot really well from two. I think 1373 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,119 I agree with pretty much everything you said, and that 1374 01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:24,039 if this was your end game, I probably would not 1375 01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:26,920 have made the Karl Anthony Towns trade. Maybe not, but 1376 01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:30,280 I do think like the problem with Towns at center 1377 01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:33,119 is when they stashed a smaller player on him, there 1378 01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:35,719 is just data upon data upon data to show that 1379 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,039 he is so less aggressive, and so if you're putting 1380 01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:42,360 him in a situation where you can't necessarily do that, 1381 01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:47,719 I think it puts him in a better offensive mindset. 1382 01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:49,679 So and if it's gonna come at you could say 1383 01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:51,760 it comes at the expense of spacing. Having Josh Hart 1384 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,000 in the starting lineup comes at the expense of spacing too, 1385 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,440 So I think this is the right call. I just 1386 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,880 if your whole, like the whole premise of getting Karl 1387 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,719 Anthony Town's was the five outs basing, and now it 1388 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,320 seems like you're moving away from that, And I don't 1389 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,159 necessarily know if you've done enough around him defensively to 1390 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:09,760 make the most of it. Because I think the other 1391 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,280 thing with Mike Brown is you mentioned the ball movement, 1392 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,079 the body movement. I think that's gonna help the Knicks 1393 01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:17,159 a bunch, just because Karnthie Towns and Jail bruns A 1394 01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:19,400 were leading very separate existences and if you look at 1395 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,159 the passes per game, Sabonis and Fox made to one 1396 01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:25,639 another during their time together. It is a lot more 1397 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,880 than the number of passes Jailen Brunson and karl anthy 1398 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,920 Towns like had between each other. Playing faster, all that stuff. 1399 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,559 But defensively, he did use the bonus. Isn't a good defender, 1400 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,480 but he had him in some aggressive situations without taking 1401 01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:40,639 him out of the defensive rebounding conversations that could maybe 1402 01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:43,320 benefit Cat, especially if he's playing with another big. So 1403 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,800 I understand, well that's going to be the impetus, but 1404 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,760 I will say I feel worse, not even that, like 1405 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,519 when you look at what happened with Julius random with 1406 01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:54,159 I don't know, I probably wouldn't and I don't think 1407 01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:55,719 it's a huge miss. And I want to see what 1408 01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:58,679 Mike Brown does with this team. But if you're saying 1409 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,039 not you specifically, but if the nick saying Kat is 1410 01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:04,719 going to even split his time evenly or skew more 1411 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,480 towards playing with another big, just at his money, like 1412 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,280 I don't think that, like I wouldn't have done the trade, 1413 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,719 then that's it's tough, Like it's I'm open to being 1414 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,679 wrong here, But like when you don't have like Mitchell 1415 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,480 Robinson can't play the same amount of minutes or have 1416 01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:23,159 the same type of impact as the Rudy Gobert and 1417 01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:24,679 some When you don't, it makes it even harder when 1418 01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:27,960 you don't have that caliber of center next to him. Yeah, yeah, 1419 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,880 that's what makes me uneasy. The final question before we 1420 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,599 get to Cynthia's if you don't get carnthy Town's extension eligible, 1421 01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:36,559 they should definitely not give him one unless he's gonna 1422 01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:39,440 lower his cap hit on that player option. If Mikale 1423 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,960 Bridges he's eligible for that four year, one fifty six 1424 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,599 point two million dollar extension, or Mitchell Robinson, who's like, 1425 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,360 I think he can go to four and close to 1426 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,840 like ninety or whatever it is. If one of them, 1427 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,960 I'm not saying he should get the max. To be clear, 1428 01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,239 if one of them doesn't sign an extension, if you're 1429 01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:56,800 the Knicks, do you just wait until restricted free agency? 1430 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,840 You do the og Ananobi dance where it's yeah, they 1431 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,760 won't cost the max in Bridges' case specifically, but we 1432 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,599 have to give them a fifth year, or do you 1433 01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:06,239 start looking at Okay, we have cat on the books. 1434 01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:09,360 Oh g's expensive. Gan Brunton took a haircut, but like 1435 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,480 we got to pay heart, Like, do you look at 1436 01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:14,239 moving him if he doesn't sign an extension. 1437 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 2: I think you got to be open to it. It 1438 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,000 wouldn't be my first choice, but I but I do 1439 01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:22,840 think as a threshold issue, if I'm Bridges, I'm not 1440 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,480 signing the extension I'm eligible for right now. I just 1441 01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:27,760 like that's just not enough. And I'm looking at the 1442 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,840 teams that are hoarding cap space and saying like I 1443 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,039 could see a few destinations, like it only takes like 1444 01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:35,960 we always say it only takes one, or everybody always 1445 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,400 says it only takes one. If there's two or three 1446 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,000 teams with cap space, then like, do not sign a 1447 01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:43,719 below market extension right now? Just try it out. So 1448 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,679 from the next perspective, yeah, if if you think, if 1449 01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:48,920 you think the reason he's not signing an extension now 1450 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,239 is because he's just he's happy to take more from 1451 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,440 you and maybe not max from you, then you wait. 1452 01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:55,960 But if it's because he's like I don't want to 1453 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,960 be here, which I don't think it is, then then 1454 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,119 you yeah, you move him. Then you listen to offers 1455 01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,239 for sure, because neither of the those guys are important 1456 01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:06,280 they're not Jalen Brunson, so like you could you could 1457 01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:09,119 you could add, you know, you could change pieces out 1458 01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,920 around Brunson and that there are there are Mikal Bridges 1459 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,880 facsimiles and Mitchell Robinson fac similes out there, so you 1460 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,519 can't you can't like treat them as as you like 1461 01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:20,360 non starters and trade discussions. 1462 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,320 Speaker 1: I agree with you that Bridges shouldn't sign the extension. 1463 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,280 I think if he doesn't, it makes the trade look 1464 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,800 worse because I really thought part of the pick equity 1465 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,280 they gave up the calculus was he's going to sign 1466 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,039 that extension and kind of do what John Brunson did 1467 01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:36,280 and concede that opportunity to hit the open market. 1468 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:37,920 Speaker 3: Well, I guess we'll see. 1469 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,239 Speaker 1: So Cynthia Roach says Grant. Do you think the Hawks 1470 01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:42,880 and nor Magic around the same tier as the Knicks 1471 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,239 and Caves in the East when it comes to their 1472 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,920 likelihood of making the conference finals or finals appearance? And 1473 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,480 I will finish that with saying the Knicks are currently 1474 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,719 favored the betting nods say to come out of the East. 1475 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,760 Speaker 2: And I think number two in like championship odds just 1476 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,599 because they're likely to make the finals. So of course 1477 01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:58,599 they're going to be number two. 1478 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,000 Speaker 1: And also I know New York a pretty small market, 1479 01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:02,920 but they might be getting like that interest. 1480 01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:04,800 Speaker 3: Bump just could be a public team. 1481 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:10,599 Speaker 2: You're saying, yeah, my gut is no. Like we both 1482 01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:13,039 were like, oh my god, watch out for Atlanta and Orlando, 1483 01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:15,920 Like Orlando. I think we talked about how like you know, 1484 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,519 Orlando won ten fewer games than the Knicks, and they 1485 01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:20,599 had their two best players out for like huge chunks 1486 01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:23,559 of the season, and they added Desmond Bane and like 1487 01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:26,320 Can and Tyler Jones, like like, so I don't know, 1488 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,840 does that make up ten games right there? Maybe I 1489 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:33,039 think if you're talking about like regular season record, maybe 1490 01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:34,360 that's an easier conversation. 1491 01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:37,320 Speaker 3: But it just feels like, I. 1492 01:06:37,239 --> 01:06:39,840 Speaker 2: Mean, Cleveland's not exactly battle tested in the playoffs. They 1493 01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,199 keep fucking it up. But like I would still say 1494 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:44,440 that Calves and Knicks are kind of on their own 1495 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:49,320 level as far as you're you're ranking Eastern Conference finals 1496 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:54,559 like likelihood, But I mean Orlando's clearly better, Atlanta is 1497 01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:56,840 clearly better. I think maybe the best I'd say is 1498 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,000 the gap is a lot narrower. Like that's a discussion. 1499 01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:02,960 Now it's I I still lean the the more established powers. 1500 01:07:03,719 --> 01:07:05,719 Speaker 1: I think, Uh, this just proves to me that we 1501 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,079 do need to do those. We're gonna do tier episodes 1502 01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:11,239 for each we got it now. I think I would 1503 01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:14,360 have the Calves, the Magic and then kind of the 1504 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,440 Knicks in the Hawks battling it out. That's where I'm at. Maybe, 1505 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,199 like I could see any one of those teams finishing 1506 01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:20,920 with the number one seed at this point, to be honest, 1507 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,320 but I really like Orlando. I really really like that roster. 1508 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,719 And as you said, it wasn't even just their two 1509 01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,599 best players missing time. Jalen Suggs miss shit tons so. 1510 01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:31,960 Speaker 2: They forgot about Jaalen Suggs. Yeah, I mean they're three 1511 01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,280 best players missed a ton of time. 1512 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think they're the second. But I think 1513 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:39,000 it goes Calves, Magic Knicks for me right now. A 1514 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,079 lot of off season left to go, though, so we'll see 1515 01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:46,519 what happens. Speaking of the never mind the. 1516 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:49,679 Speaker 2: Restricted free agents, do you want to take us through 1517 01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:50,039 this one? 1518 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:50,639 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1519 01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:53,119 Speaker 2: Dan, there are some dudes that have not gotten off 1520 01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:53,719 her sheets yet. 1521 01:07:53,719 --> 01:07:54,320 Speaker 3: It's very weird. 1522 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,800 Speaker 2: It's almost like nobody has any money. Josh Giddy, Quinn 1523 01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,519 Grimes Jonathan Kamika, Cam Thomas. 1524 01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:00,639 Speaker 3: They are all restricted. 1525 01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:04,800 Speaker 2: Hasn't been really as so much as a peep on anybody, 1526 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,000 obviously because Brooklyn was the only team really they could 1527 01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:10,199 put an offer sheet out there. There were signing trades. 1528 01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:15,719 Theorized about any chance, how about this, which if any 1529 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,560 of these players do you think is most likely to 1530 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,079 do the unthinkable and sign and play on the qualifying 1531 01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:23,560 offer with their current team? 1532 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,560 Speaker 1: I so I have to if the answer is who 1533 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,479 do I think would do it? I'm going to say 1534 01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:33,520 Jonathan Kaminga because he just seems like but to give 1535 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,039 that quote about him believing he's going to be an 1536 01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:38,000 All Star feels like he could. You have to have 1537 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,720 that self confidence to confidence in yourself, excuse me to 1538 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,520 go that route. Now, do you agree that that's the 1539 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,640 right answer to that question? 1540 01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:51,199 Speaker 2: I think I would throw Grimes out there. 1541 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:51,960 Speaker 3: Well, I go. 1542 01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:55,920 Speaker 1: If you said, who should let's say one of these players, 1543 01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:58,359 who's the one that should sign the qualifying offer? Grimes 1544 01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,159 would have been my answer because quite frankly, we know 1545 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,840 shit's gonna go sideways in Philly with injuries. 1546 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,319 Speaker 2: Right, you want to sign up for a long term deal. 1547 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,279 There is that what it's about well that's. 1548 01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:08,920 Speaker 1: Also just like so you I feel like he'll have 1549 01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:12,479 the opportunity to really continue to prove what he did 1550 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,119 towards the end of last year. Still so like because 1551 01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:17,760 Paul George and Juwon Beider, even if they're healthy, Like, 1552 01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:21,159 are either of those guys gonna play in sixty games 1553 01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:21,600 next year? 1554 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:23,479 Speaker 3: I wouldn't bet on it. 1555 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,560 Speaker 1: So I know there's like a lot of guards now 1556 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,359 in Philly with VJ. Edgecomb and Tyre's Maxie and Jared McCain, 1557 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,239 But I think Quentin Grime should be the one. You 1558 01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:33,199 could probably also make a case for Cam Thomas because 1559 01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:34,720 he'll get a bunch of touches in Europe. I think 1560 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,560 Quent Griham should be the one, But I think Jonathan 1561 01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,399 Kaminga is the only one who has like the gall 1562 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:39,199 to do it. 1563 01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's also the one that's just in 1564 01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:48,159 a situation that like he I mean like really relative 1565 01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:51,000 to how kind of how much of a mess it's been, 1566 01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:54,000 he's actually been like almost admirably like. 1567 01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:54,800 Speaker 3: Cool about it. 1568 01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,840 Speaker 2: Like there was a couple of times where things of 1569 01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,000 leaked that he's unhappy with how he's being used, but 1570 01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:02,680 like he's he's unhappy all the time, Like there were 1571 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,479 only a couple of times that it like became it 1572 01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,800 joined the news cycle, so so like and look I 1573 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,600 get it from his side. We've we've talked more than 1574 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,880 enough about Kminga. But yeah, dude, I go ahead. 1575 01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:16,640 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, do you see any of these 1576 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,439 guys ending up on other teams? And this is the 1577 01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,079 Nets are the only team that has cap space with 1578 01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:24,720 the Jazz they can get to like eighteen plus million 1579 01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,079 if they want to, And it would be really funny. 1580 01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,239 I'm just saying to see, even if it's a sign 1581 01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:31,319 and trade, I would love to just see the emotional 1582 01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:34,239 dynamic between a team that has Ace Bailey and Jonathan 1583 01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:34,920 Kuminga on it. 1584 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:35,560 Speaker 3: Oh that. 1585 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:45,239 Speaker 2: I think I think Uh, I think Kaminga. 1586 01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:47,760 Speaker 3: Is the like I think it's it's gonna be a 1587 01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:48,319 sign and trade. 1588 01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:50,880 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's This isn't gonna happen via an 1589 01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:52,119 offer sheet for anybody. 1590 01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:53,680 Speaker 3: I don't think. I just don't know how that would 1591 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:54,199 even work. 1592 01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:58,119 Speaker 2: So like, I think Kaminga has more suitors or at 1593 01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,399 least that we've heard about, like Miami's interest did the 1594 01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,439 King's Chicago. I think are the main teams being mentioned, 1595 01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:07,039 there's just enough, there's enough like to go on to 1596 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,199 for him, and everybody else is kind of like just crickets. 1597 01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:10,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. 1598 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just more into the Warriors news cycle, but 1599 01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:14,800 I don't feel like you're hearing like so and so 1600 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,640 is really looking at Josh Giddy. There might be a 1601 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,319 sign and trade there. I don't I haven't heard any 1602 01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:18,600 of that. 1603 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,560 Speaker 1: Who even gets the most like guaranteed money per year 1604 01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,479 or the highest average annual salary. I kind of feel 1605 01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:26,760 like it's going to be Josh Giddy. Is that? 1606 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,119 Speaker 3: I think? 1607 01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,399 Speaker 2: I think it's definitely gonna be Giddy. And I mean 1608 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,239 he's been the most consistently productive I guess from a 1609 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,159 standard statistical kind of mindset. 1610 01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't know all those well, I guess he's improved. 1611 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,800 Camp Thomas has been like pretty true to his identity 1612 01:11:43,039 --> 01:11:43,439 through it. 1613 01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,720 Speaker 3: He is what he is, man. It's just that's not 1614 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:46,520 a valuable thing. 1615 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,319 Speaker 1: We now get to talk about the Orlando Magic. So 1616 01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:56,840 Paolo Bancaro gets the max with the all NBA language 1617 01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,000 in it. So it's either gonn it could be worth 1618 01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:00,039 up to two hundred and eighty seven million, but he 1619 01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:02,479 doesn't make All NBA or win MVP or Defensive Player 1620 01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:03,880 of the Year. I think it's two hundred and thirty 1621 01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:04,800 six million or whatever it is. 1622 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, how does he guys survive on that? 1623 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope he's okay. One. I'm not surprised that 1624 01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,359 he got the max with the All NBA language. That 1625 01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:14,840 shocks me, not at all. The player option was interesting 1626 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,039 because I didn't even realize this. We've talked a lot 1627 01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:19,199 about how they fall him by the wayside. It hasn't 1628 01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:21,159 happened since a max contract, even out the player options 1629 01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:22,119 in twenty twenty one. 1630 01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody's getting him, And it was I remember thinking 1631 01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,880 like who uh, I'm trying to think who like MOBILEI 1632 01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:32,079 I think didn't get one or something or MOBII got 1633 01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,279 the I forget what it was, but yeah, I thought 1634 01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:35,880 there were way more and it's like, no, it just 1635 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:36,800 doesn't really happen. 1636 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,520 Speaker 3: Teams always have been able to do this. 1637 01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:42,600 Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a chance those come back 1638 01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:44,840 or is it team still just have all the leverage 1639 01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,119 in this situation. This was the magic kind of rewarding 1640 01:12:47,119 --> 01:12:49,840 Palo for playing in like the clunkiest bassing possible for 1641 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,399 the past three years. 1642 01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:52,439 Speaker 3: I don't know. 1643 01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,399 Speaker 2: I guess he's he's also got the advantage of like 1644 01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,920 he's a number one overall pick, he's been an all star, 1645 01:12:58,199 --> 01:12:59,119 Like maybe he just. 1646 01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:01,399 Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards did have that advantage at all, Right. 1647 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,680 Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, I don't know what it is. 1648 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,640 Speaker 2: I guess maybe it is that maybe they're like, hey, 1649 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,119 sorry man, sorry, sorry about the last couple of years. 1650 01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:11,840 Speaker 3: We know we needed shooting. Maybe this will make it 1651 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,319 all better. Uh. 1652 01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:15,560 Speaker 1: Gray Jay says the player option was also what made 1653 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,319 me raise my eyebrows, even Ant didn't get one, And 1654 01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:19,000 so it's just I don't think it's a harbinger of 1655 01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:20,800 him on his unhappiness, but I think it kind of 1656 01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,520 speaks to maybe the magic took a little too long 1657 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,119 to hit go or to increase the spacing and offensive 1658 01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:31,439 firepower around him, because you don't like this was negotiated 1659 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,880 like for It wasn't just like they offered it to 1660 01:13:34,199 --> 01:13:37,680 So I don't think there's like, again, this doesn't signal discord, 1661 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,840 but if it doesn't happen elsewhere, not that and we'll 1662 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,039 get into the other some of the other extension candidates. 1663 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,279 I'm just something else. I'm gonna put a pin in 1664 01:13:45,319 --> 01:13:49,520 We're just we're just asking questions, right, dude, I'm sorry, 1665 01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,439 I've mean test. Did you consider them the second best 1666 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,039 team in the East? Who did you have before? 1667 01:13:53,119 --> 01:13:54,000 Speaker 3: I totally I. 1668 01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,640 Speaker 2: Think it's still Cleveland and New York, and I would 1669 01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,680 say that while adding like it would not be remote surprising, 1670 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,600 Like you said, if Atlanta or Orlando just was the 1671 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,319 number one seed, I just need to see it. 1672 01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:05,720 Speaker 3: I don't. 1673 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,359 Speaker 2: I'm gonna trust the known commodities first. 1674 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,000 Speaker 1: And also, who's max contract? Do you feel better about 1675 01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:14,119 Palo's or Franz's pallos? Why? 1676 01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:15,359 Speaker 3: Why is that a question? 1677 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,399 Speaker 1: Because it's it is a question amongst people. I don't 1678 01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,279 necessarily see it. We like to look at on off 1679 01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:22,119 data from when Franz was playing with a bunch of 1680 01:14:22,199 --> 01:14:24,520 against a bunch of bench units without Rollo over the 1681 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,640 first few years. But just I was just asking questions. 1682 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,319 Speaker 2: If Franz were a thirty seven percent three point shooter, 1683 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:35,000 I would have more more reserves, like it'd be a 1684 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:35,920 closer call for me. 1685 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think Palo has been pretty underrated as 1686 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,399 a defender, like for this the crowd that he could cover. 1687 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,199 Speaker 2: So Pallo's Palo's the guy, you know, the scoring, like 1688 01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:49,039 the physicality that I see him as the best player 1689 01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,479 on a really good team. Franz is just Franz to 1690 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,560 me feels like a really high end like complimentary number 1691 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,720 two guy. He's like the Jalen Brown to the to 1692 01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,239 Palo's Tatum kind of thing. 1693 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,479 Speaker 1: Have done enough to where let's say Palo's efficiency doesn't 1694 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,079 improve independent of his free throws next season, would you 1695 01:15:06,119 --> 01:15:08,199 be concerned? Or do you still look at it and say, like, 1696 01:15:08,279 --> 01:15:10,039 I mean, you have ties in Desmond Bane. It's not 1697 01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:12,720 like you loaded this team up with Klay Thompson's in their. 1698 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,079 Speaker 3: Pron Would I be concerned about Paolo specifically? 1699 01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:19,119 Speaker 1: You mean, yeah, if his efficiency independent of free throws 1700 01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:23,319 doesn't uptick when you've now surrounded him in theory with base. 1701 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,199 Speaker 2: See maybe a little bit, but like, look, we're still 1702 01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:29,119 not that far into his career, Like he's still very young. 1703 01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:32,199 I think there's if like this is this is a 1704 01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:35,560 thing I'm like I'm really leaning into more of like 1705 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,680 even guys that are starting their second contracts, Like like, 1706 01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:42,560 do we think Anthony Edwards is done developing? Just to 1707 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,960 keep invoking his name, Like I don't. I think there's 1708 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,680 still like layers to go. 1709 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,039 Speaker 3: And I think that's true of Paolo. 1710 01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:50,399 Speaker 2: So I don't know when I'd start sounding the alarm bells, 1711 01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:52,239 but it would not be this season if he if 1712 01:15:52,279 --> 01:15:53,920 he didn't improve efficiency. 1713 01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:56,239 Speaker 1: We love Palo around these parts. We did all the 1714 01:15:56,279 --> 01:15:59,600 story quick two quick hitter rounds here. So we're in 1715 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,840 a star with guards galore? Where are some of these 1716 01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,880 veteran guards gonna land? Grant? You want to take us 1717 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,520 through some of them? That's most intrigued because there's a 1718 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,720 there's a lot of like, oh, these these guards could 1719 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,479 kind of play. They're still floating around the market. 1720 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad. 1721 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,039 Speaker 2: I'm glad you extended this list because I threw like 1722 01:16:14,119 --> 01:16:17,119 three I threw the three bigger names Chris, Paul, Russ 1723 01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:18,880 and who else did I put on their brogden? 1724 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:19,359 Speaker 3: I think? 1725 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,359 Speaker 2: And it's like, well, they all make sense for the Clippers, 1726 01:16:22,399 --> 01:16:25,199 I guess in some sense. I don't think Russ would want. 1727 01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:25,760 Speaker 3: To go back there. 1728 01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:29,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, so you've got Malik Beasley, he's a little 1729 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,399 you know, we've got some twos and some ones here. 1730 01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:34,319 I don't like what's gonna happen with Beasley? 1731 01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:35,119 Speaker 3: I guess we can't. 1732 01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:38,880 Speaker 2: We don't know the what's gonna come of the gambling investigation? 1733 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,439 Speaker 3: But like this is this is a. 1734 01:16:41,399 --> 01:16:44,039 Speaker 2: Guy that what was on the table for him from 1735 01:16:44,039 --> 01:16:46,600 Detroit like three for forty eight or something like that. 1736 01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:50,359 Before three forty two, I think it was okay. Where 1737 01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:52,720 it's like now I think he goes anywhere it's a minimum. 1738 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,880 Maybe you get like the biannual or something. 1739 01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:56,720 Speaker 1: Did you see this? Can we talk about how do 1740 01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,920 you get sued by a barber or how do you 1741 01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:04,079 oh barber like fifty thousand dollars? Well, was it a 1742 01:17:04,119 --> 01:17:06,720 traveling but was it like your personal barber that couldn't cut? 1743 01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,359 Speaker 3: I just don't how good? 1744 01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:09,399 Speaker 1: Maybe this we need. 1745 01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:10,560 Speaker 3: To scrutinize Beasley's hair. 1746 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,840 Speaker 2: Maybe it's like really good hair and it's just like 1747 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,760 only the best look. 1748 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,479 Speaker 1: He's the extent of his off off court stuff. It 1749 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,720 makes you wonder about because I was giving Detroy credit 1750 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,479 this offseason as oh, the Beasley stuff happened, and like 1751 01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,479 I thought they'd rebounded nicely, and some people have been 1752 01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,000 hammering them, And I look back on it now, like 1753 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,840 when you have time to think about it, I'm like, well, 1754 01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,560 we all knew about this Beasley stuff, and they like 1755 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,880 decided to like kind of tether their rope to him. Anyway, 1756 01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:36,600 could you like ever acquire him or pay him, like 1757 01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,960 guaranteeing that he would be a stable presence for you. 1758 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,960 Speaker 2: So, I just he does not seem like a responsible adult, 1759 01:17:44,079 --> 01:17:47,640 I would say, And so like maybe maybe that's I 1760 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,920 don't know, he's continued to be employeed, he has bounced 1761 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,520 around more than someone like with his shooting ability, you 1762 01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,800 would think would but but yeah, I mean he's gonna 1763 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,680 get a minimum now, right, and like basically we'd be banned. 1764 01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,720 He might be, right, yeah, best maybe best case scenario, 1765 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,640 he's going to get a minimum, and like based on his. 1766 01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,680 Speaker 3: Financial situation, that's it's not gonna cut it. 1767 01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,680 Speaker 2: I think he's uh, he's got some some real debts 1768 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:10,479 and some real issues. 1769 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,079 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I don't know, he's he's a fascinating character. 1770 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 1: I should barber analytics. 1771 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, can we talk more about we can we get 1772 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,600 a close up of Beasley's hair, Like how often is 1773 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,239 he getting haircuts? 1774 01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:25,399 Speaker 1: A pretty basic cut this year, right, I don't remember, 1775 01:18:25,399 --> 01:18:28,079 like he used to have like some I think different variations, 1776 01:18:28,119 --> 01:18:28,840 but I don't know. 1777 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,399 Speaker 3: Whatever that was for other people's haircuts. Maybe he's just 1778 01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:32,960 being a good guy. 1779 01:18:33,279 --> 01:18:38,760 Speaker 1: This is uh, who's that Malcolm Brogden. That's like kind 1780 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,119 of I know he has his health stuff, but that's 1781 01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:42,800 like kind of an interesting name for a team. Yeah, like, no, you. 1782 01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:46,439 Speaker 3: Do you think we're getting like how many years in 1783 01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:47,039 a row? Is it? 1784 01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:48,960 Speaker 2: Where it's like I think Malcolm Brogden could land there 1785 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,000 and really help and then like it doesn't really happen. 1786 01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:52,800 Speaker 3: Is like year four of that? 1787 01:18:53,159 --> 01:18:55,640 Speaker 1: Don't we have to see what happens with Beal because 1788 01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,279 I don't have bel On here we already talked about. 1789 01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:00,640 Also don't have Ben Simmons. Apologies to Ben Simmons, like 1790 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,560 he would make sense on the Clippers finally if they 1791 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,279 end up not getting Beal right after they just traded Powell. 1792 01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, I mean that's kind of true for 1793 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,119 like d' anthony Meltin and Alec Brooks, all these guys. 1794 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:14,199 Who else do we have your Cody Martin? Uh GP two, 1795 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,840 we better be back with the Warriors on a minimum. 1796 01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:17,920 Speaker 3: I'll be upset. 1797 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how healthy Meltain is. I was kind 1798 01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:25,920 of hoping him or get GP two or D'Anthony Melton 1799 01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,680 would end up on the Knicks. It's just like guards 1800 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,960 that can guard up Jordan Clarkson, who can't guard. 1801 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:33,000 Speaker 3: No. 1802 01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 2: There was a report today that the Warriors were looking 1803 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,119 at Melton again. It seems seems like the like two 1804 01:19:37,119 --> 01:19:39,560 weeks he played for them last year, everybody was if. 1805 01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,800 Speaker 1: You guys, get Al Horford on the mini mL E 1806 01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:45,520 and D'Anthony Melton back on the minimum, I'm gonna be irate. 1807 01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:48,720 Speaker 2: You know, we're just a real privileged bunch out here. 1808 01:19:49,319 --> 01:19:52,800 We our money goes farther, except that it doesn't. Everything's 1809 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:53,760 way too expensive here. 1810 01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,399 Speaker 1: Chris Paul, the Phoenix bells are kind of buzzing. And 1811 01:19:56,399 --> 01:19:58,239 I saw some people say, oh, he wants to start, 1812 01:19:58,279 --> 01:20:01,399 you can't sign him. I'm like, fuck, d you got Malawatch, 1813 01:20:01,399 --> 01:20:04,119 you got Mark Williams, you got like you need him 1814 01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:06,319 to spoon feed these guys like they shouldn't fall on 1815 01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:09,920 Devin Booker and definitely shouldn't fall on Jailen Green. Signed 1816 01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:11,920 Chris Paul and start him and then fix your turnover 1817 01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:12,640 problem again? 1818 01:20:13,119 --> 01:20:15,720 Speaker 2: Do you think the Lakers are just out for him 1819 01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,920 just because like, why do I want to play with 1820 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,239 Luca and Lebron I don't get to do and Austin 1821 01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:23,279 Reeves is that what it's like he just won't get 1822 01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:24,800 to do his stuff there. 1823 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't, and he wants to still be on 1824 01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,239 the Honestly, he wants to be on the West coast. 1825 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,800 Like they did say they signed Dennis Ruder, so when 1826 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,199 I was about to say the Kings, but like obviously 1827 01:20:36,199 --> 01:20:38,199 he's not gonna go back to the Warriors. The Clippers 1828 01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:40,239 don't make sense. If they have Beal, they could make 1829 01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:42,039 sense now, but they might not make sense anyway because 1830 01:20:42,039 --> 01:20:44,000 they have James Harden and Chris Paul and James Harden 1831 01:20:44,039 --> 01:20:46,000 don't seem to like each other. If he wants to 1832 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,600 stay on the West Coast, it kind of feels because 1833 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,319 he can't go back to the Spurs at this point, right, 1834 01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:50,560 look at all those young guards they have. 1835 01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:51,840 Speaker 3: I just you can't. 1836 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,520 Speaker 2: You can't play him like you were talking earlier, Like 1837 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:55,760 you just he's got to be out of the way 1838 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,079 so those younger guys can play. 1839 01:20:58,399 --> 01:20:59,800 Speaker 1: I can't think of like any team that's even like 1840 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,680 West Coast adjacent, like. 1841 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:05,680 Speaker 2: That would be Portland is on the West coast technically. 1842 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,520 Speaker 1: CP three would be badass though. 1843 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,800 Speaker 2: Sure, but like he's your third point guard now, Like 1844 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,399 I just I don't know I don't know how that works. 1845 01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,760 I mean, like Utah is not on the west coast, 1846 01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,880 but it's in the neighborhood. If you're considering Phoenix and 1847 01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,800 like' why is he's not going to Utah? So I 1848 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,479 don't know, let's keep moving west. Does he want to 1849 01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:24,720 go to Dallas? 1850 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:25,560 Speaker 1: Maybe? I don't know. 1851 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:26,800 Speaker 3: They got to Angela. 1852 01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,520 Speaker 1: Russell h Cody Martn is not really a guard, but 1853 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,600 I threw him on here books. I think any team, 1854 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,039 if he's healthy, should just give him him in a 1855 01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:37,359 moment and let him cook. So much does Russ? Where 1856 01:21:37,359 --> 01:21:37,880 does Russ go? 1857 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:40,319 Speaker 3: Man? 1858 01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,640 Speaker 2: I mean talk about someone that we're nearing the end 1859 01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,680 of the of, like the line of like I think 1860 01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,800 he could help. I have no idea. I haven't even 1861 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,680 heard anything rumored. Didn't didn't he get like some crazy 1862 01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,920 offer overseas or something like that? 1863 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,039 Speaker 1: I thought that was proven to be false. I can't 1864 01:21:58,119 --> 01:21:58,840 I can't remember. 1865 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,000 Speaker 3: Probably too crazy. 1866 01:22:00,039 --> 01:22:02,960 Speaker 1: Then I don't have a good team for him like that. 1867 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,159 That would just be like I don't think maybe Miami, 1868 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,000 like could Miami to Miami could probably talk themselves in 1869 01:22:09,039 --> 01:22:10,439 the mall or Russ? 1870 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, like the Knicks have no. 1871 01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,880 Speaker 1: Not with after Clarkson, they were not with him, maybe. 1872 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,039 Speaker 3: You would have had a discussion if Clarkson weren't there. Yeah, 1873 01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:24,479 I don't know. It's it's not good. I mean he's 1874 01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:25,239 not an easy fit. 1875 01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,399 Speaker 1: Could Atlanta be a destination obviously, again, Chris Paul wants 1876 01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,359 to be not once apparently being on the West coast 1877 01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,960 like they have Trey Young and then is it Kobe 1878 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,760 Buffkin time. I know Nikhil Alexander Walker can do some stuff, 1879 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,319 but in terms of just managing. 1880 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,000 Speaker 2: A game, and Kennard a little bit too, Like, yeah. 1881 01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:44,359 Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, I mean you're not gonna start in 1882 01:22:44,359 --> 01:22:46,359 Atlanta though, like Trey Young is there, You're not starting 1883 01:22:46,359 --> 01:22:47,359 in Atlanta for any of it. 1884 01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,359 Speaker 2: I really struggle, like unless you go to a bad team, 1885 01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,079 Like I mean, you could make the case that like 1886 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,560 you could justify starting him over Shrewder if the Kings 1887 01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,199 were like had had a choice of like who who 1888 01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:00,159 they would have who they could have added. 1889 01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:01,600 Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, Paul might just be better than 1890 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:02,359 Shrewder next year. 1891 01:23:02,359 --> 01:23:07,439 Speaker 2: It's possible, depends on which version of sure you get. 1892 01:23:08,079 --> 01:23:11,119 Speaker 1: What about Milwaukee? They could probably start any of Like 1893 01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:12,239 I mean, maybe. 1894 01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:13,520 Speaker 3: Who's got who's got the ball there? 1895 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:13,640 Speaker 1: Now? 1896 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,840 Speaker 3: KPJ or Ryan Rollins? Like those are your lead guards. 1897 01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:20,079 Speaker 1: To be Ryan Rollins? I think I know KPJ was 1898 01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:21,880 good for them, but in terms on league guard, I 1899 01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,920 think I would prefer even Brogden. 1900 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying, like I know people like Rollins, 1901 01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,800 but but like if you're looking for a place where 1902 01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,840 you could imagine Paul or Russ or whoever like playing 1903 01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,760 quite a bit, that's a good start. Like, you know, 1904 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,479 that's a team that wants to win, would take a 1905 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,000 veteran and just you can't say that their point guards 1906 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,119 are well established. 1907 01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:41,880 Speaker 1: There's been some people in the chat we saw the 1908 01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,520 Pelicans floating around for any of these guys. I guess 1909 01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,760 just you have Jordan Poole and Jeremiah Fears there, And 1910 01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,560 what if de Jonta Murray plays again this year. 1911 01:23:51,359 --> 01:23:53,520 Speaker 2: On the same team as like Derek Queen, he's. 1912 01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:55,439 Speaker 1: The ball in his hands too. Oh god, yeah, that 1913 01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:56,680 would be won. 1914 01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,840 Speaker 2: He's gonna need his touches also, team option right on that, 1915 01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:01,800 I can hear that deal doesn't make you feel any better. 1916 01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine, Like I won't penalize the Pelicans for that, 1917 01:24:05,359 --> 01:24:07,159 then I thought they guaranteed it, which is also why 1918 01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:08,920 I missed WOJ because I feel like we used to 1919 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,479 get the contract details better when it was him breaking 1920 01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,880 news rather than Shams, So shout out Woch for being 1921 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,359 more accurate. I don't think Landry Shammy feels like he 1922 01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,760 had some really good moments in the playoffs for the Knicks. 1923 01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,239 I wouldn't mind if they brought him back, but as 1924 01:24:21,279 --> 01:24:23,680 a shooter at the minimum who tries on defense a 1925 01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,840 lot of I don't know if teams are waiting on 1926 01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,560 some of the RFA business to finish up, because like 1927 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,000 everyone who's like really really good is already signed, but 1928 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,359 like these guys, if they're healthy, pretty much every guy 1929 01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:36,079 in this list could really I know, Russell Westbrook's a 1930 01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:38,560 wild card, Delan Right maybe aged out, even Ben Simmons. 1931 01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,720 I'm just surprised that these guys haven't had flyers taken 1932 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:41,319 on them yet. 1933 01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Paul back to the thunder, just just why not? 1934 01:24:45,359 --> 01:24:47,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have all this, They can play five point 1935 01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,640 cards at once at that point, Caruso at center, I suppose. 1936 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:51,199 Speaker 3: He could do it. 1937 01:24:52,119 --> 01:24:54,960 Speaker 1: So Grant, my question to you is are you ready 1938 01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,119 to play the rookie extension game. 1939 01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:58,119 Speaker 3: Yes, I am. 1940 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,800 Speaker 1: So, we're just gonna go through these already rapid fire 1941 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,279 notable names or eligible frikie extensions. We just want to 1942 01:25:03,319 --> 01:25:05,880 know if we think they're gonna get one or not. 1943 01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:07,239 Are you ready? 1944 01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:07,960 Speaker 3: I'm ready? 1945 01:25:09,399 --> 01:25:12,039 Speaker 1: First one up oh Chi Boji in Toronto. 1946 01:25:12,079 --> 01:25:14,039 Speaker 2: I mean we have even talked terms on him. I 1947 01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:15,359 think I was on the high end. 1948 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,680 Speaker 3: Uh I. 1949 01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,479 Speaker 2: I'm gonna change my guess because I did predict he 1950 01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,479 would get one and it'd be at least ten million 1951 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,199 a year, maybe fifteen. But now with Ujiri out and 1952 01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:30,560 everybody's dumping on the Raptors because they have all these 1953 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,159 like decent guys, and Barnes is better than that, but 1954 01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:36,920 a lot of guys locked into money. The ceiling feels low. 1955 01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:41,000 The floor feels like I don't know sorda high so 1956 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,520 I don't see it for him anymore. 1957 01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:44,159 Speaker 3: What do you think? 1958 01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,079 Speaker 1: I don't know either. It feels like they're kind of 1959 01:25:46,079 --> 01:25:49,479 a franchise that's like in transition, but also weight and 1960 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,680 NOI there was conducive to an extension if he was 1961 01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,319 willing to sign for like four and sixty though I 1962 01:25:53,319 --> 01:25:54,920 would probably pounce on it. I'm not gonna lie. I 1963 01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,680 think that highly of him, and if I'm a team 1964 01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,680 and he doesn't assign extension, I'm calling to see what 1965 01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:03,600 it takes to get him. Next up, we have Christian Brown. 1966 01:26:04,399 --> 01:26:11,560 Speaker 2: Hmmm, I could see him getting uh, like not Jalen 1967 01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,119 Green annual money, but like a two plus one that 1968 01:26:15,119 --> 01:26:20,439 that is gonna get like a twenty twenty twenty five 1969 01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,279 a year. Maybe what do you think about that? 1970 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,399 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think I think he's gonna 1971 01:26:25,399 --> 01:26:27,119 sign an extension, and I think it's gonna be like 1972 01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:29,479 close to an average annual value of twenty five million 1973 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,720 dollars a year. And if it's two plus one, I 1974 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,600 hope people are gonna be pretty hard on Dever's front 1975 01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,680 office because they're just begging for trouble at the end 1976 01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:37,600 of that contract. End. 1977 01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:39,800 Speaker 2: I mean, is he so good that you gotta just 1978 01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,239 lock him down for four years? 1979 01:26:41,319 --> 01:26:43,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't at four and a hundred if 1980 01:26:43,319 --> 01:26:45,640 he was one of this I like Grant it's he 1981 01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,359 did some really nice offensive stuff without Yokic on the 1982 01:26:48,359 --> 01:26:50,039 court this year, but just as someone who's able to 1983 01:26:50,039 --> 01:26:52,760 play off Yo Kic and plays his ass off on defense, 1984 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,680 like that's the type of play and probably hits just 1985 01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:00,840 enough threes or gives you just enough offense. But if 1986 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,239 they don't, if they don't. 1987 01:27:02,039 --> 01:27:05,199 Speaker 2: Extend, yeah, twenty five years, like eleven percent of the 1988 01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:05,880 cap or something. 1989 01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think if I was to set it 1990 01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,119 at twenty three million dollars per year over under, I 1991 01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:12,159 think I'll take the over. 1992 01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,439 Speaker 2: I'm just never gonna get over the rising doll Like 1993 01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,319 twenty three million seems like too much to me. 1994 01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:19,960 Speaker 3: But but you're right, it's just like that's just what 1995 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,119 it used to be. Fourteen, you know, think of it 1996 01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:22,760 as fourteen. 1997 01:27:23,039 --> 01:27:24,399 Speaker 1: So do you think he gets an extension? 1998 01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:26,359 Speaker 2: Uh? 1999 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:27,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, why not? 2000 01:27:28,279 --> 01:27:30,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes as well. So I think we're 2001 01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:33,199 gonna we're in lockstep so far right now, Next up 2002 01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:35,880 we'll stick with the nuggets. Peyton Watson also extension eligible. 2003 01:27:36,399 --> 01:27:43,199 Speaker 2: Hmmm, you'd liked my knee jerk reaction? Is no, I 2004 01:27:43,359 --> 01:27:45,439 most maybe part of it's because I don't know what 2005 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,800 I value him as, Like what like what okay, we 2006 01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,239 kind of landed on a Christian brown figure, Like what 2007 01:27:51,359 --> 01:27:52,239 is Watson worth? 2008 01:27:52,319 --> 01:27:53,119 Speaker 3: I have no idea. 2009 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:55,720 Speaker 1: I just don't think he's shown enough consistency on the 2010 01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,359 offensive end to be in the like, like, may do 2011 01:27:59,359 --> 01:28:02,920 you what you give him? The Patrick Williams deal five 2012 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,359 for not five, but let's say like at that at 2013 01:28:05,399 --> 01:28:07,359 like eighteen million of years at too high. 2014 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,119 Speaker 3: I think it is because I have no idea. 2015 01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,600 Speaker 2: I think like that's I don't know, but in a 2016 01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,119 couple of years, that's gonna be mid level money basically, 2017 01:28:16,319 --> 01:28:19,560 like I don't know if he's I mean, he's maybe 2018 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,520 a mid level guy. I wouldn't say that he's shown 2019 01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:22,119 it yet. 2020 01:28:22,399 --> 01:28:25,039 Speaker 1: My gut says he won't get an extension because he'll 2021 01:28:25,359 --> 01:28:27,840 like he might be one of those guys that think 2022 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,680 like a Kaminga type where it's not doesn't have that 2023 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,600 level of self confidence and we don't see him grousing 2024 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,399 as much as Kaminga does. But he just can see 2025 01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:36,920 himself in a different situation and where he saw what 2026 01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:38,520 they did to Michael Porter Junior, where it's like they 2027 01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,800 scaled down his role and paid him anyway. If they're 2028 01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,239 not doing that to him, he might just roll it 2029 01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:44,720 into restricts because he's the type of player that if 2030 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,600 you have cap space next year, which the Nets still could, 2031 01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,199 there's these other teams that are set up to have it, 2032 01:28:49,279 --> 01:28:51,760 like you could throw like there'll be a team that 2033 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,800 I think they might even That's the thing we talk 2034 01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,760 about RFA is like let them go to restricted freegency 2035 01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,520 and just match. But if they signed a two plus 2036 01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,760 one offer sheet, okay, but then they hit, you have 2037 01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,239 like a Gordon Hayward situation like Udah did a few years. 2038 01:29:04,279 --> 01:29:07,920 But sure, yeah, uh whoops, We're gonna have to speed 2039 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,760 through this because I lost our place on the thing there. 2040 01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,039 It is, Okay, Christian Brown, Peyton Watson, who's next? Grant 2041 01:29:14,079 --> 01:29:18,479 Dyson Daniels. 2042 01:29:17,039 --> 01:29:19,720 Speaker 3: Hmm, I don't. 2043 01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:24,920 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think I feel like he's 2044 01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:30,359 someone that you should as the Hawks be okay messing 2045 01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:33,880 around with restricted free agency on maybe if he has 2046 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,039 another year like this one, they'll regret it. 2047 01:29:36,079 --> 01:29:38,159 Speaker 3: But I don't know, Like, is he a twenty five 2048 01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:40,239 million dollars a year guy? That feels a little much 2049 01:29:40,279 --> 01:29:40,520 to me. 2050 01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:43,279 Speaker 1: I think because of how well he played, you can't 2051 01:29:43,319 --> 01:29:45,279 sign him because you need him to prove it for 2052 01:29:45,359 --> 01:29:47,800 another year, because he might look at whatever Christian Brown 2053 01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,920 gets and be like, I want more than that. And 2054 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,439 I don't know that I could commit like twenty five 2055 01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,239 plus million dollars a year. I'd be more like if 2056 01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:56,239 if the same deals on the table for Christian Brown 2057 01:29:56,279 --> 01:29:57,800 or Diyce and Daniels, who are you taking? Like who 2058 01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,600 are you more comfortable paying? Is Christian Brown? Right? Yeah? 2059 01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,640 Speaker 2: I think so, just larger sample, like done it at 2060 01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,199 a higher competitive. 2061 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,680 Speaker 1: The other thing is and this might be a galaxy brain, 2062 01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:08,720 but if they don't sign him to an extension, it 2063 01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,800 makes it easier to include him in a trade. Should 2064 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,479 they decide to go get Yannis? 2065 01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:12,680 Speaker 2: Sure? 2066 01:30:13,359 --> 01:30:18,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, Next up we have two Pistons. We begin with 2067 01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,680 Jail and Duran. I have no I hope you have 2068 01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:21,359 an answer. 2069 01:30:22,359 --> 01:30:25,199 Speaker 2: So I don't, and that's why I. 2070 01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:26,720 Speaker 3: Lean towards no extension. 2071 01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:29,560 Speaker 2: I feel the same way about Ivy, except Ivy also 2072 01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,680 has the like, well, what's he gonna look like post 2073 01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,520 injury this season? So you definitely don't extend him now 2074 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:38,159 because who knows unless in both cases put the caveat 2075 01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:40,800 on all these that it's like, well, unless the team 2076 01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,520 can do it at a rate that's like offensively low, 2077 01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,920 like of course, you know, but like what if you're 2078 01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:50,319 Duran or your Ivy, I don't think the Pistons are 2079 01:30:50,319 --> 01:30:52,239 going to offer you a number that you say, like 2080 01:30:52,319 --> 01:30:54,600 I must take that now, and I don't think the 2081 01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,600 Pistons are like, these guys are so critical to the operation, 2082 01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,760 we can't let them hit restricted free agency. 2083 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,520 Speaker 1: I think if I don't think he gets one, because 2084 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,119 it's like you said, if he does get one, I 2085 01:31:04,119 --> 01:31:06,239 think it's so team friendly. And I don't know what 2086 01:31:06,319 --> 01:31:08,560 that means, because if I'm the Pistons, I think four 2087 01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,159 for eighty would make me sit there and be like, 2088 01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,239 I don't know if I could do that right now. 2089 01:31:13,359 --> 01:31:16,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, the center of it all being the center position 2090 01:31:16,119 --> 01:31:18,520 is and it's just like and that's not. 2091 01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:22,000 Speaker 1: One that's gonna get you know, like overwhelmed with offer 2092 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,520 sheets and streat like you're not gonna get a ton 2093 01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,039 offer sheets for cent. We don't see first all, we 2094 01:31:25,039 --> 01:31:27,319 don't see offer sheets at the case in point this summer. 2095 01:31:27,359 --> 01:31:29,920 I haven't seen some one for center specifically, you're not 2096 01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,119 gonna have to worry about offer sheets for Yeah. I 2097 01:31:32,199 --> 01:31:35,319 think that's right, Je and Ivy. So what is the number? 2098 01:31:35,359 --> 01:31:36,720 Is there like a number like would he have to 2099 01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,640 if he said four for eighty or you know you're 2100 01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:40,439 not doing that either. 2101 01:31:41,239 --> 01:31:44,199 Speaker 2: I think he's looking at that and saying, like Jalen 2102 01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:47,760 Green gotten more than that over three years, I'm as 2103 01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,680 good as Jalen Green. So no, I don't think he's 2104 01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,520 taking that. And I don't think Detroit. I don't think 2105 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:57,279 Detroit should offer him the Jalen Green extension. 2106 01:31:57,319 --> 01:32:00,600 Speaker 3: I don't. I just like we don't know, like. 2107 01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,520 Speaker 2: How many years we still don't know if Jade and 2108 01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,479 Ivy is Like, is that the guy you want next 2109 01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:04,920 to Kaide? 2110 01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:06,319 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I still don't know. 2111 01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm leaning towards probably not, but like I'd be happy 2112 01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,479 if he proved that he was. And I'm the Pistons 2113 01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,039 and I have restricted rights on him for next summer. 2114 01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:15,359 Speaker 3: That's a good situation. 2115 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't think he gets one either. 2116 01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,239 Tar Easan, who I apparently want to be think I 2117 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,479 outright just predicted, is going to be traded. 2118 01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:30,359 Speaker 2: I again, well, the Rockets have done some extending, so 2119 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,760 factor that in I say no for him too, and 2120 01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:36,800 the logic is going to keep repeating itself. 2121 01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,199 Speaker 3: I don't. 2122 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,600 Speaker 2: I don't know that he's the type of player that 2123 01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:46,039 is gonna just like get massive restricted free agent offers. 2124 01:32:46,319 --> 01:32:48,199 So there's a chance you could bring him back for 2125 01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,920 relatively little, And I don't think he's going to agree 2126 01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:55,760 to a blow market extension now because he's probably confident, 2127 01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:56,399 and he has. 2128 01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:56,760 Speaker 3: The right to be. 2129 01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,520 Speaker 1: I actually disagree with you that I think there would 2130 01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,479 be a team if he hits restricted free agency that 2131 01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:03,199 will give him a crap ton of money. There's the 2132 01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,479 injury history and the minutes totals, I guess might give 2133 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,119 them pause. And he's a little bit old, like for 2134 01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:10,840 what it will be twenty five if he was to 2135 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,279 become a restricted free agent. But like, I'm also wondering, though, 2136 01:33:14,319 --> 01:33:17,239 did the Jabari Smith junior extension set any kind of 2137 01:33:17,279 --> 01:33:20,479 precedent to where so he's gonna start. He still starts 2138 01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,600 at twenty one million dollars a year. If you're Tari Easton, 2139 01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:27,000 so good. If you're Tar Easton, are you asking for 2140 01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:27,560 more than that? 2141 01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:28,079 Speaker 3: Or is? 2142 01:33:28,279 --> 01:33:29,960 Speaker 1: And if you're not, like if you're the Rockets, you're 2143 01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,000 gonna lock him down on twenty something million dollars a year. 2144 01:33:33,399 --> 01:33:36,479 I this is interesting because I think that his archetype 2145 01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:38,880 as a player, all he does best. If you told 2146 01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,199 me he was playing thirty one minutes a game or something, 2147 01:33:42,039 --> 01:33:44,520 that's someone that's gonna get like og Annobie money, I think. 2148 01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:47,880 Speaker 2: But because he doesn't, I was gonna ask you, like, 2149 01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,479 who give me a cump of like who is Tari Easton? 2150 01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,479 Similar to that has gotten really paid and so Ogi 2151 01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:57,119 is a big name to throw out there. Do you 2152 01:33:57,199 --> 01:33:59,960 think he's on OG's like, he's that type of play. 2153 01:34:02,079 --> 01:34:05,520 Speaker 1: Can't guard all five positions defensively, but probably he's gonna 2154 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,039 force more turnovers and be more disruptive that way from 2155 01:34:08,039 --> 01:34:08,560 the perimeter. 2156 01:34:10,279 --> 01:34:12,239 Speaker 2: Can he be on the floor, because Og is a 2157 01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:15,039 guy that's like, yes, hard, yes, he can be on 2158 01:34:15,079 --> 01:34:19,119 the floor at the end of of whatever playoffs your game? 2159 01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:22,159 Speaker 1: What is your cause for pause with Ethan? 2160 01:34:22,359 --> 01:34:25,159 Speaker 3: His offense, his offensive game, But I mean, like. 2161 01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:27,159 Speaker 1: What about it? He's not high enough volume from three, 2162 01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:29,239 You don't trust him put the ball on the floor yet. 2163 01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:30,479 Speaker 3: A little bit of everything. 2164 01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:32,800 Speaker 2: I think he's just someone that if you're scheming against 2165 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,399 a postseason opponent, you're like, we're gonna let Easton try 2166 01:34:35,399 --> 01:34:37,399 to beat us. We're not gonna guard him, honestly, We'll 2167 01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,039 have to keep him off the boards, I guess. But 2168 01:34:39,159 --> 01:34:43,079 like I I would hesitate to just to use the 2169 01:34:43,079 --> 01:34:47,479 Smith comparison. I think Smith might have more defensive value 2170 01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,479 because he could play center. That's that's a hard debate. 2171 01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,880 But offensively, it's like, well, he's a full stretch and 2172 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,920 he can kind of shoot over guys, and like there's 2173 01:34:55,119 --> 01:34:57,600 I don't think Jabari Smith is someone opposing defenses will 2174 01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,399 be like, wow, we don't need to worry about him, 2175 01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:02,880 especially if he improves like Ethan. That that's why I 2176 01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:04,600 was asking for a comp and that's why I'm hesitant 2177 01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,000 to say there's gonna be a team that's like, oh, yes, absolutely, 2178 01:35:07,239 --> 01:35:09,119 we need to pay this guy just because he's not 2179 01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,039 I mean, I don't know, for lack of a better term, 2180 01:35:12,079 --> 01:35:14,039 he's not like weakness free enough. 2181 01:35:14,279 --> 01:35:15,760 Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense. I don't know. 2182 01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:18,439 Speaker 1: I just look at him what he could do defensively 2183 01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,039 and even just as a rebounder too. 2184 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,000 Speaker 2: A lot of strengths, you're not wrong, a lot of 2185 01:35:24,039 --> 01:35:24,760 real pluses. 2186 01:35:26,039 --> 01:35:27,279 Speaker 1: So it was why I was actually gonna be real 2187 01:35:27,359 --> 01:35:29,239 up the same why so says in the chat Patrick 2188 01:35:29,279 --> 01:35:31,359 Lolliams probably said a precedent for players like Eastan. I 2189 01:35:31,399 --> 01:35:34,479 don't think the Rockets risk it. That seems smart, but like, yeah, 2190 01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,279 if you're to Eastan and Patrick Lean's got an eighteen 2191 01:35:37,319 --> 01:35:39,960 million dollars, like that is the that's the floors. 2192 01:35:40,279 --> 01:35:42,840 Speaker 2: Ever Reguard going like, well, look what Quickly got from 2193 01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:43,840 the from the Raptors. 2194 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,159 Speaker 3: I need at least thirty two a year, Like if. 2195 01:35:46,039 --> 01:35:48,560 Speaker 1: I atly got that, I don't know if he gets 2196 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,079 an extension, And I don't think it has anything to 2197 01:35:51,119 --> 01:35:52,920 do with the Rockets not wanting to keep him. And 2198 01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,920 they are ways. We didn't know about the Dorny from 2199 01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,760 Smith deal until couple of days ago that it wasn't 2200 01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,920 non guaranteed, So there are ways that they're you know, 2201 01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,000 some of their contracts are gonna age out as these 2202 01:36:01,039 --> 01:36:04,159 other guys are continuing to get expensive. He's just a 2203 01:36:04,199 --> 01:36:06,159 tough one because I also think what we neglect to 2204 01:36:06,199 --> 01:36:08,920 talk about is a lot of people seem to think 2205 01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:10,560 that and we're actually gonna get to this in a second, 2206 01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,479 that star trades are gonna happen more mid season than 2207 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,840 over the offseason now, and if you're gonna do that, 2208 01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,079 you've already kind of you can still make it work. 2209 01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:20,159 I want to be clear. But like Jabari Smith junior 2210 01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,359 poison pilled, I guess because you have Fred van Fleet, 2211 01:36:23,399 --> 01:36:25,680 like he'll eventually be trade eligible, but right now he's not. 2212 01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,239 But if you also poison pill Tari Easton. Yeah, like, 2213 01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:29,880 what are you just saying all the young players we 2214 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:31,439 ship out, It's not gonna be on men Thompson. So 2215 01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,439 then it's read Shepherd. How much do the Bucks want him? 2216 01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,039 If it's be honest or another player. So I'm wondering 2217 01:36:36,079 --> 01:36:37,840 if unless he's willing to sign just a deal that 2218 01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:39,800 they like the Patrick, like, if he comes in and 2219 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,199 says that he wants four for seventy five and on 2220 01:36:42,319 --> 01:36:45,520 the rockets, like, I am making sure he signs that 2221 01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,800 before he comes to his senses personally. 2222 01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good I even me, I'm lower on 2223 01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,039 him than you are, but I'm not low on him. 2224 01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:56,159 Speaker 3: I'm good with that number. That's tradable. 2225 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna 2226 01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:05,680 say he gets one just because the Jabbari Smith junior deal. 2227 01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,600 It's they could play point. I don't feel good. I'm 2228 01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,560 just gonna say he gets one. They might prefer it's 2229 01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,239 just like, well it's drama free. Then if we make 2230 01:37:14,279 --> 01:37:16,600 a movement season, it's because Johannis demanded a trade to 2231 01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,399 us and we traded Jane Gooon or something. I don't know. 2232 01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,239 So yeah, I feel that's the worst one. I feel 2233 01:37:21,279 --> 01:37:23,800 about though, all right, chet Holm, Grin Grant and are 2234 01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,199 you is it weird? We haven't heard about the extension 2235 01:37:26,199 --> 01:37:27,960 of Chet and j Dub when Shay got his. 2236 01:37:28,319 --> 01:37:33,039 Speaker 2: A little bit, I still think you just they both Chet, 2237 01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:34,479 I'm sure Jadub's next year. 2238 01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:36,000 Speaker 3: I think I think they're both getting it. 2239 01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,560 Speaker 2: I like, I think they're both maxed. I think they're 2240 01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,199 both getting maxes. And if they don't, like we should 2241 01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:47,359 be celebrating the thunder because that's then unbelievable coup, right, 2242 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,560 Like I guess quibble overplayer options maybe, but like they 2243 01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:52,079 got to get max offers. 2244 01:37:52,039 --> 01:37:53,920 Speaker 1: I think they'll get if if you had seen that, 2245 01:37:54,039 --> 01:37:56,359 like Shay took less than the super Max, I would 2246 01:37:56,359 --> 01:37:58,560 have started to say, like, oh, what is going on here? 2247 01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,640 Like are they all gonna take a little less. It's 2248 01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,720 because Brian Taporak, our colleague of Bleach Report, has pointed 2249 01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:05,640 out that the money is so much right, like you 2250 01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,319 said it before, you can't get over like twenty five 2251 01:38:08,359 --> 01:38:11,239 million versus its percentage of the salary cap. He really 2252 01:38:11,279 --> 01:38:13,640 believes the money's gonna get so ridiculous that players eventually 2253 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,199 aren't gonna care. But we've also yet to see that 2254 01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:17,199 do you know what I mean? 2255 01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,680 Speaker 2: That's a I mean that would what does that mean? 2256 01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:23,000 Speaker 3: Like how ridiculous? 2257 01:38:23,039 --> 01:38:25,039 Speaker 2: Guys are just gonna be like what's the difference between 2258 01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,960 four hundred and twenty million and three hundred and eighty 2259 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:28,920 million like that kind. 2260 01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:30,800 Speaker 1: Of thing, Like look at the Yokic extension he's gonna 2261 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,439 sign next summer, Like there's gonna be a point where 2262 01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:34,239 he hits like eighty million bucks in salary. It's like 2263 01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:37,119 it's some It's just like if he signs the max 2264 01:38:37,239 --> 01:38:37,680 that is. 2265 01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,680 Speaker 2: I I mean, I just it's hard for me to 2266 01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:43,000 imagine that if you if you have some, you always 2267 01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,760 want more, Like that's just because and you can be 2268 01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,039 like that guy's making more, I'm as good as him. 2269 01:38:48,319 --> 01:38:50,159 Speaker 1: I exists for that reason. 2270 01:38:50,319 --> 01:38:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, who who is ever 2271 01:38:53,159 --> 01:38:54,319 that's made that much money? 2272 01:38:54,399 --> 01:38:55,319 Speaker 3: Is like I'm good, I don't. 2273 01:38:55,399 --> 01:38:57,279 Speaker 2: I mean, it's I guess it happens like you know, 2274 01:38:57,319 --> 01:39:01,199 Warren Buffett's given it to charity, but whatever. Yeah, Like 2275 01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:05,279 I would assume do you think the Thunder will be 2276 01:39:05,319 --> 01:39:09,840 able to get straight five from Chet and Jada or 2277 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,439 do you think there's gonna be options. 2278 01:39:11,239 --> 01:39:13,840 Speaker 1: With so with Chet? I think that he's not gonna 2279 01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:15,720 get a player option. He'll be maxed out. Maybe it's 2280 01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,560 only four, maybe it's five. I think it's gonna be 2281 01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,640 five with no player option. For j dub I think 2282 01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,720 he has the leverage to get a player option. But 2283 01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,359 just because of who the Thunder are as a team, 2284 01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:27,960 I almost predict that he's gonna sign a MAX without 2285 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,920 a player option. Yeah, but also for them, and you're 2286 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:32,840 looking at Palo getting one, you might just prefer having 2287 01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,079 the optionality of why I can get paid more right 2288 01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:36,439 at the end of this by opting out. 2289 01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:40,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a guy that like Chet's a little different, 2290 01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:44,159 won the injuries and two like, look, big wings that 2291 01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:46,800 can handle the ball and score always gonna be just 2292 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,840 like the premium asset. Jadab is the guy that's like, 2293 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,319 if you mess around at all, like teams will swoop, 2294 01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:55,319 Like every every team in the league is like, we 2295 01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:56,960 would pay that guy the max. 2296 01:39:59,039 --> 01:40:02,880 Speaker 1: Next up Nikoliovic in Miami. I just included this because 2297 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,479 I think he's not gonna get one, just because it 2298 01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:07,319 seems like they're gaming their books, and also he's probably 2299 01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,680 less important now than this time last year with the 2300 01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,720 emergence of Khalil Ware and you have them Adebayo. 2301 01:40:12,399 --> 01:40:15,920 Speaker 2: Right, and and Powell gives you shooting like and part 2302 01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,159 of the appeal of Yovic, even though it's a different 2303 01:40:18,199 --> 01:40:20,880 position and theoretically more valuable because he's kind of a 2304 01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,680 big is the shooting potential there. Yeah, it seems like 2305 01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,640 Miami's not not going down that road. 2306 01:40:27,039 --> 01:40:29,720 Speaker 1: This one's at Walker Kessler in Utah's fascinating. 2307 01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:34,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like I think, well, maybe is the question 2308 01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:38,199 is the right question? Is he more valuable now or 2309 01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:40,359 post extension as a trade piece? 2310 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:42,720 Speaker 1: What do you? I think he's more valuable post extension 2311 01:40:43,039 --> 01:40:44,960 at this point. I mean because schmid Dua, who have 2312 01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:46,600 all the respect in the world for was talking about 2313 01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,319 how the Pelicans he covers the Pelicans were in the No, 2314 01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:52,119 he just does a great job there. Everybody we're talking 2315 01:40:52,119 --> 01:40:53,760 about how if he were the Pelicans, he would continue 2316 01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,119 to they've already made their bed now you line it. 2317 01:40:56,119 --> 01:40:58,279 But like he was saying, trade another unprotected first round 2318 01:40:58,359 --> 01:41:01,880 pick and X to go get Walker Kessler. And so 2319 01:41:02,199 --> 01:41:04,159 he views him as justin the metrics do too. It's 2320 01:41:04,199 --> 01:41:07,319 just sort of like this maybe generational rim type protector. 2321 01:41:07,359 --> 01:41:10,640 And so if I'm the Jazz, I probably prefer extending 2322 01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:12,039 him and like what, I don't know what he gets, 2323 01:41:12,039 --> 01:41:14,079 Like now, yeah, if he wants like five for one 2324 01:41:14,079 --> 01:41:16,039 point fifty, then we need to have a conversation. But 2325 01:41:16,039 --> 01:41:19,920 if it's four for one hundred or four for ninety 2326 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,279 or something or five for one hundred, whatever, it is, 2327 01:41:22,319 --> 01:41:23,960 like you probably have to pounce there, right. 2328 01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,840 Speaker 2: I think four for one hundred, I'm doing it. If 2329 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,000 I'm Utah, if I'm Kessler, I think I probably am 2330 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:30,560 doing that too. 2331 01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:33,000 Speaker 3: Just I'm sure he should. 2332 01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,880 Speaker 2: Be advised by his agents, like you're a non stretch, 2333 01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,600 non switch center, like this is kind of the best, 2334 01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,039 the best you can do, and just hope, hope you 2335 01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:42,680 find a team that loves you as much as the 2336 01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,039 Raptors love YAKA Perl, and you could just keep signing 2337 01:41:45,079 --> 01:41:50,079 extensions there forever. I think I think if you go 2338 01:41:50,199 --> 01:41:52,600 above a hun of like twenty five a year for Kessler, 2339 01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:54,680 you're kind of asking for it a little bit, just 2340 01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:58,399 because like he's never played in an environment where winning 2341 01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:02,159 mattered as an NBA player, Like he does have real limitations. 2342 01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:04,520 He has like a couple of superpowers. So that's that's 2343 01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,960 how you get to the hundred million. And I think 2344 01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,840 he's tradable add or below that number after above that 2345 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:10,439 you like. 2346 01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:14,000 Speaker 3: Is Nick Claxton tradeable right now? Like for positive value? Like, 2347 01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:17,159 uh not that dissimilar? Probably Yeah, I don't know. 2348 01:42:17,239 --> 01:42:19,119 Speaker 1: He's more switchaball on defense too, And I think you 2349 01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:21,439 could argue Nick Claxton has more offensive upside. 2350 01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:23,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's I didn't even. 2351 01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:25,439 Speaker 1: You know what. That's a great comp that's probably been 2352 01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:26,560 a very different player. 2353 01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,800 Speaker 2: But it's like with centers, you can't, like it's not 2354 01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:31,680 that easy to move them if you're if they're even 2355 01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:32,680 a little too expensive. 2356 01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:34,439 Speaker 1: But I think also with the Jazz is like, all right, 2357 01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,800 well what is their big man situation? Now? Like they 2358 01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:39,640 he really is the only true center because it's just 2359 01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,920 like Philipowski marketing, Like those guys aren't set. You got 2360 01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,520 rid of John Collins who wasn't a center, so they 2361 01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:49,159 have Mobamba's cap hold. Does that do anything for you Hendrix? 2362 01:42:49,359 --> 01:42:49,479 Speaker 3: Uh? 2363 01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:50,000 Speaker 1: Not? 2364 01:42:50,039 --> 01:42:53,039 Speaker 2: Only thought Hendricks would be like a potential small ball five. 2365 01:42:53,079 --> 01:42:54,600 I don't think that's happening anymore. 2366 01:42:55,279 --> 01:42:57,159 Speaker 1: H Why so want you to stop using the Raptors 2367 01:42:57,199 --> 01:42:58,920 an example for bad signing. I just wonder why they're 2368 01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,720 so obsessed with Yako per All or Jacob Puddle, as 2369 01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:08,640 someone called him once. Our next guy up is Benedict Mathrin. 2370 01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,760 Can I answer this one please? If I'm him, I'm 2371 01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:13,359 not said, I an't an extension that they're gonna offer 2372 01:43:13,399 --> 01:43:16,920 me because I'm about to eat without Tyree's Halbert in 2373 01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:17,760 there next year? Right? 2374 01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:18,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 2375 01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:21,479 Speaker 2: I mean that the expression on his face in the 2376 01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,520 graphic you have is correct, like he's pumped, like that 2377 01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,439 guy kind of gets some shots. 2378 01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:28,000 Speaker 1: Up and they already ruled him out for the season. 2379 01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:30,359 That Kevin Pritchard rules him out. Yeah you can't. I 2380 01:43:30,359 --> 01:43:31,960 don't know what unless they're gonna come and be like, 2381 01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,239 hey for for one hundred. That probably gets you thinking. 2382 01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,760 But as India, I'm almost i'mmost like, well, I can't, man. 2383 01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:41,439 Speaker 2: I mean he can average twenty five a game like 2384 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,239 no problem. Uh And and then he's like, you're gonna 2385 01:43:44,319 --> 01:43:46,279 pay me thirty million a year, like that's just what 2386 01:43:46,319 --> 01:43:46,640 it is? 2387 01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:48,880 Speaker 3: Like I again, like, I don't. 2388 01:43:52,119 --> 01:43:55,039 Speaker 1: Is that is that Bobby Webster probably. 2389 01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:56,760 Speaker 3: Right? 2390 01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,319 Speaker 2: Like yeah, I I I don't know what the number 2391 01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,800 is that the one the Pacers will be willing to 2392 01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,119 pay him, because clearly the ceiling on Miles Turner is 2393 01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:05,840 twenty two a year, So I don't know how Mathering 2394 01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:06,840 gets twenty five. 2395 01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,079 Speaker 1: Man John Hollinger brought up. I actually thought he was 2396 01:44:09,079 --> 01:44:12,279 too hard on them for extending Andrew Nemhart early. But 2397 01:44:12,359 --> 01:44:15,119 now in hindsight that's too and now I'm like, no, 2398 01:44:15,279 --> 01:44:17,359 John Hollinger was right. That was they could have kept 2399 01:44:17,359 --> 01:44:20,199 Turner and like they could have just moved their business downwards. 2400 01:44:20,199 --> 01:44:21,960 So yeah, I don't think. I don't think they're gonna 2401 01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,359 give him a competitive offer. And if they do, maybe 2402 01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:26,439 they would value the certainty of oh, we know he's 2403 01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,079 going to be twenty two million dollars or whatever next year, 2404 01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:31,279 so we plan our books around that. But I don't 2405 01:44:31,319 --> 01:44:33,439 think they're very much like they have to figure out 2406 01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,640 how Tyre's Halburtn's rehab is going. They're not gonna have 2407 01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:38,680 a good hold on that by like opening night. Yeah, 2408 01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,399 I agree, our next guy up. I believe it is 2409 01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:43,319 like our second to last guy, Shade and Sharp. This 2410 01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:44,439 is an impossible one. 2411 01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:48,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've used it several times, but I think more 2412 01:44:48,079 --> 01:44:51,520 than any other player, the Jalen Green model applies to him. 2413 01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:54,119 If you're if you're Portland and you're trying to not 2414 01:44:54,199 --> 01:44:56,000 give him a four year deal or not give him 2415 01:44:56,039 --> 01:44:59,680 some crazy amount of money. I start with the Jalen 2416 01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,920 Green comp and say, this is kind of where we're at, 2417 01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:05,520 and even that I'm not super comfortable with, just because again, 2418 01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:08,560 not a lot of winning. Don't know about the defense, 2419 01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,520 don't know about the ability to dribble the ball, like 2420 01:45:12,039 --> 01:45:16,119 there's there's real questions. So I'm not I'm not rushing 2421 01:45:16,199 --> 01:45:18,439 into this. If I'm Portland, I don't know what the 2422 01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:21,000 number would be other than just using the Green thing 2423 01:45:21,079 --> 01:45:22,119 and downgrading it. 2424 01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:25,399 Speaker 1: I E not, Yeah, I can't give him thirty million dollars. 2425 01:45:25,399 --> 01:45:27,720 If he twenty feels like that would be the number, 2426 01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:28,159 I'd be like. 2427 01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:29,640 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, twenty's a chance. 2428 01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:31,960 Speaker 2: That's a steal, right like if he if he but 2429 01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:34,880 thirty is almost like if he is a borderline All Star, 2430 01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,199 You're like, he's more or less properly paid at thirty. 2431 01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,439 Speaker 1: They just put the baby and go for twenty five, 2432 01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:40,039 like we just have. 2433 01:45:41,159 --> 01:45:43,880 Speaker 2: I guess I don't think. I don't think that's getting done. 2434 01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,560 I think it's the Blazers seem to be serious about 2435 01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,760 trying to win this year, and maybe I think maybe 2436 01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:50,800 you learn more about Sharp this season than you have 2437 01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,239 in his previous years combined, and then you can make 2438 01:45:53,279 --> 01:45:53,880 that decision. 2439 01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:56,520 Speaker 1: I am noticing though, like just the level of perimeter 2440 01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,000 players who are kind of wings like in there. It 2441 01:45:59,039 --> 01:46:02,239 does should It could get interesting next year, depending on 2442 01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:03,079 how many of these guys are. 2443 01:46:03,039 --> 01:46:05,119 Speaker 2: Actually still there, right, Yeah, that's true. 2444 01:46:05,399 --> 01:46:09,079 Speaker 1: Our final one Jeremy Sohan of the San Antonio Oh no, 2445 01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:11,600 we have two more. Sorry. Keigan Murray of the Sacramento Kings. 2446 01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,439 Speaker 2: I apologie, where has this extension been? 2447 01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:16,239 Speaker 3: Like, they love the guy, he's he's. 2448 01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:20,880 Speaker 1: Mort had said he wouldn't give him twenty million dollars 2449 01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:24,119 a year. I'm am I Keigan Murray pilled. Yeah, like 2450 01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:25,680 I'm giving him thirty. 2451 01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:28,199 Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm thirty. 2452 01:46:28,399 --> 01:46:31,439 Speaker 1: I easily believe that the Kings, well maybe if he's 2453 01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:32,920 gonna be on the Kings, we have to talk about 2454 01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:36,159 different story. But I honestly believe that the ground shifting 2455 01:46:36,199 --> 01:46:39,600 beneath him constantly, like their offensive pecking order, it kind 2456 01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:42,159 of hurt his development. I look at what he's done defensively. 2457 01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:44,239 You're gonna tell me like, oh, yeah, he was able 2458 01:46:44,279 --> 01:46:46,880 to really develop defensively doing some of the backline stuff. 2459 01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,079 A lot of the perimeter stuff like, yeah, well we're 2460 01:46:49,079 --> 01:46:50,720 worried about that. He's not gonna be able to figure 2461 01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,880 it out on offense. No, if he, if i'm him, 2462 01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:57,600 I'm not signing an extension. But unless they're coming in 2463 01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:00,319 the right but if they come in at like no, 2464 01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:01,720 I didn't mean get out of there, but like I 2465 01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:06,000 think he did, he probably should want out. I'm not 2466 01:47:06,039 --> 01:47:08,920 gonna lie, but at twenty five million, twenty if I'm him, 2467 01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:10,680 my floor is twenty five million dollars a year in 2468 01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:12,520 an extension, Like that's what you have to give me. 2469 01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,399 Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you believe the defense. 2470 01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:17,359 Speaker 2: Now, the defense wasn't as good last year as it 2471 01:47:17,399 --> 01:47:19,359 was the year before, and the shooting wasn't as good 2472 01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:20,840 either of the last two years as it was as 2473 01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:23,439 a rookie. But like, somewhere in there is a forty 2474 01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:26,199 plus percent three point shooter that is is like not 2475 01:47:26,279 --> 01:47:29,840 quite all defense. But like, right there, twenty five is 2476 01:47:31,319 --> 01:47:34,560 not enough for that guy, especially given his his youth, 2477 01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:37,960 like and given the situation, like he's just not been 2478 01:47:38,039 --> 01:47:41,279 set up to succeed at all in any maybe as 2479 01:47:41,319 --> 01:47:43,920 a rookie, but he's a rookie, like he's you're just 2480 01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,359 way down the totem pole. 2481 01:47:46,319 --> 01:47:48,720 Speaker 1: And he's been like one of the if not the 2482 01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,960 single highest volume like contesting shots at the rim among 2483 01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:54,479 like wing type players, which is just not something he 2484 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,159 was ever built to do coming out of this. 2485 01:47:56,319 --> 01:47:59,720 Speaker 2: No, and just like eminently portable. I think you can 2486 01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:01,760 still scale him up. There's been a lot of talk 2487 01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,119 about how like this guy just like they've had to 2488 01:48:04,119 --> 01:48:07,199 beg him to shoot, But it's like, all right, so 2489 01:48:07,279 --> 01:48:09,359 he's unselfish, Like that's the best. 2490 01:48:09,399 --> 01:48:10,760 Speaker 3: That's the biggest knock you have. 2491 01:48:11,319 --> 01:48:14,560 Speaker 2: I think he fits anywhere, Like, yeah, this he's he's 2492 01:48:16,279 --> 01:48:18,640 he could be a thirty million dollar player, like I think, 2493 01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:20,039 I think that's not ridiculous. 2494 01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:23,560 Speaker 1: Now we're on to Jeremy so Han of the San 2495 01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,119 Antonio Spurs. I don't think he gets one, not even 2496 01:48:26,119 --> 01:48:27,720 know what I'd be prepared to give him. 2497 01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:31,319 Speaker 2: To because zero idea of like what kind of offensive 2498 01:48:31,319 --> 01:48:34,640 player he'll ever be, if anything. And yeah, like I 2499 01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,920 just I don't there's not a team out there that's like, 2500 01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:40,600 we're a Jeremy so Han away type of thing. 2501 01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:42,680 Speaker 3: Restricted free agency. 2502 01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:44,399 Speaker 1: I think it's like you don't really want the ball 2503 01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:46,279 in his hands now unless he's gonna be in transition, 2504 01:48:46,319 --> 01:48:47,920 and I think they figured out some stuff over the 2505 01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:49,800 past two seasons with him. But he's like a play 2506 01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,079 finishing wing basically, And so I don't know what you 2507 01:48:53,159 --> 01:48:58,680 pay that. I'd probably do. May Holy shit, I give 2508 01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,000 him eight million dollars a year or max for what 2509 01:49:01,159 --> 01:49:04,039 that's that's not even the room exception anymore. 2510 01:49:04,279 --> 01:49:07,800 Speaker 2: Right, No, man, Keegan Murray had low balled out here. 2511 01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,079 Oh maybe maybe eight million of maxes for so Han. 2512 01:49:10,199 --> 01:49:10,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. 2513 01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:11,880 Speaker 1: That's what I thought it was. If it was if 2514 01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:14,359 it was for Keegan Murray, even like you're hoping you 2515 01:49:15,039 --> 01:49:16,600 are you hoping your team get Yeah, I don't think 2516 01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:20,600 so Han gets one. But I wouldn't like especially they're 2517 01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:23,479 bringing in other bigs around Wenby Now you want I don't. 2518 01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:25,560 That's yeah, all right, that's so hand. We clarified in 2519 01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,560 the chattick. I assumed it was if it was Keegan Murray, 2520 01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,399 I had. I had many questions. Yeah, I don't. I 2521 01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:32,479 think if he was want to sign for like mid 2522 01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:37,000 level money, I'd probably just do it because it's not 2523 01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,199 going to turn into a Zeke Nachi situation like that's 2524 01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:40,920 still gonna be someone who would have value as a 2525 01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:41,840 standalone piece. 2526 01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:44,439 Speaker 2: I guess he's got some utility. He's not an easy 2527 01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,119 fit though anywhere. Like so, if you're talking about the 2528 01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:50,479 tradeability of a con of his contract, I just I 2529 01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:54,279 don't know. Maybe maybe maybe he'll there'll emerge like some 2530 01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:58,159 at the shooting. I just don't ever see it. But 2531 01:49:58,199 --> 01:50:00,479 maybe I don't know, maybe the point guard thing emerges. 2532 01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:02,960 Who knows, Maybe there's some offensive utility in there beyond 2533 01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:03,680 just slashing. 2534 01:50:05,399 --> 01:50:07,920 Speaker 1: Next up Mark Williams, who I believe is actually our 2535 01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,239 final one now with the Suns. For anyone didn't know it, 2536 01:50:12,079 --> 01:50:15,680 I mean this, I I this is now a million 2537 01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:17,560 dollars a year. Might have been closer to like more. 2538 01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:21,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not extending him. I'm if he becomes a 2539 01:50:21,279 --> 01:50:23,199 free agent, I'll deal with it. Like I just like, 2540 01:50:23,279 --> 01:50:25,039 what why. 2541 01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,319 Speaker 1: What if he says four for forty eight. 2542 01:50:30,359 --> 01:50:34,039 Speaker 2: For like the twentieth best, twenty fifth best center. I 2543 01:50:34,039 --> 01:50:36,239 don't know where he's somewhere in there. If you factor 2544 01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:38,640 in durability, he's maybe in the top thirty. 2545 01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:40,359 Speaker 1: Does it worry you at all if he ends up 2546 01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:42,279 like CP three's on this team and so you know 2547 01:50:42,359 --> 01:50:44,840 his numbers are going to be inflated next year. It's 2548 01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:46,760 just you have Malawatch year. I wouldn't extend him. 2549 01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:47,640 Speaker 3: I was no. 2550 01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,960 Speaker 2: I think I think the hope is like, you get 2551 01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:51,279 to the end of the season, it's like, we don't 2552 01:50:51,319 --> 01:50:52,760 need this guy at all. We'll just go get a 2553 01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:55,000 minimum center because Malawatch looks like he's that good and 2554 01:50:55,039 --> 01:50:55,920 he's our starter. 2555 01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:57,880 Speaker 1: Right, so let me give up a first round pick 2556 01:50:58,359 --> 01:51:00,560 to get him? Was number twenty nine? That deal? 2557 01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:03,840 Speaker 2: My brain is yeah, I think that's right, but I 2558 01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,560 don't know some cost. 2559 01:51:06,199 --> 01:51:08,359 Speaker 1: We have one final question that I need to ask you, Grant. 2560 01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:11,920 They say the NBA offseason is not complete until we 2561 01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:16,039 get a post draft blockbuster trade. Will we get one? 2562 01:51:19,399 --> 01:51:23,159 Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna say yes, And the reason I 2563 01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:25,279 will is because I like a couple guys on this 2564 01:51:25,399 --> 01:51:29,560 list here as pretty decent trade candidates, Michael Bridges being one, 2565 01:51:30,039 --> 01:51:32,560 Simon's being one. Those are probably two of the lower 2566 01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:37,680 end guys on here. The Kings have three guys in Sibonis, 2567 01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,840 DeRozan Levigne that are big enough names that I think 2568 01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:44,239 one of them could move. The absolute biggest names on here, 2569 01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:46,560 not so sure, but I think we got a shot 2570 01:51:46,199 --> 01:51:48,239 at three or four of these guys. 2571 01:51:49,319 --> 01:51:51,520 Speaker 1: I almost I'm gonna say yes just to manifest it 2572 01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:53,239 because this off season has been pretty bad and I 2573 01:51:53,239 --> 01:51:55,840 know't there's been responsible Oh no, people have to watch games, 2574 01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,279 and no we don't because there's no games going on 2575 01:51:58,399 --> 01:52:00,640 right now outside of Summer League, So I want these. 2576 01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:01,359 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 2577 01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:05,840 Speaker 2: Is that is that something people are saying to like 2578 01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:08,880 look down on people that care about the NBA because 2579 01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:11,720 of the transactions and like the fantasy sports part of it. 2580 01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is just like you as long as it's 2581 01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:18,159 not you're not promoting tousicity. You follow the game however 2582 01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:20,000 you want. I enjoy all different elements of it when 2583 01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,800 there's actual, meaningful basketball to be played. Yeah, games are 2584 01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,880 freaking cool and I don't want to write about trades 2585 01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,520 and legacies, but there's no basketball going on right now. 2586 01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:31,600 And look, the players miss it, like Draymond Green made 2587 01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:34,560 that like they remember them active on Twitter, like I don't. 2588 01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,840 The halcyon days of free agency, like this is why 2589 01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:41,199 my old man yellsick clown like clown. Yeah, clowns. 2590 01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:43,119 Speaker 2: Stop yelling at clowns all the time, Dan. 2591 01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:47,399 Speaker 1: Old man, old man yells aick cloud things like I 2592 01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:49,199 just miss when the off season was just like from 2593 01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:53,520 we were held hostage from July first, unto like July tenth. 2594 01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:55,720 Speaker 3: I can't say I miss. 2595 01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:59,720 Speaker 1: That so much, but it was I don't I don't care. 2596 01:53:00,119 --> 01:53:05,279 Speaker 2: It was exciting, I guess, yeah, okay, so I'll just 2597 01:53:05,319 --> 01:53:07,960 I know we didn't talk about this between So Yannis 2598 01:53:08,399 --> 01:53:09,720 not going anywhere? 2599 01:53:10,239 --> 01:53:13,439 Speaker 1: Do you? So? Do you do you actually think that, well, 2600 01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:13,760 like just. 2601 01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:15,720 Speaker 2: As far as this offseason, yeah, I do. 2602 01:53:16,039 --> 01:53:17,880 Speaker 1: Maybe so I think that the Bucks had intel that 2603 01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:21,520 he would stay if they got Miles Turner. Yeah, yeah, 2604 01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,800 I think that's fair. But the Ramona Shellbourne reporting that 2605 01:53:25,079 --> 01:53:27,760 Jannis is like gonna make his decision in August or September, 2606 01:53:28,039 --> 01:53:30,000 I like to think that Yanis just likes to hold 2607 01:53:30,039 --> 01:53:32,840 everybody else hostage so that they don't make moves because 2608 01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:34,680 they think they have a shot at him, only for 2609 01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:36,840 him to stay. So I kind of agree with you, 2610 01:53:37,399 --> 01:53:41,159 but I'm just like, if he actually wants to contend, 2611 01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:43,600 I don't see. And again, if I'm the Bucks, I'm 2612 01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,079 not moving him until he asks for it. I want 2613 01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:47,560 to make that clear. But I don't see the pathway. 2614 01:53:48,239 --> 01:53:50,479 And by the way, you don't move him like proactively 2615 01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:54,159 because you don't have your own picks, and there's no team, 2616 01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:56,439 not even the Hawks could give you back multiple of 2617 01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:58,840 your own pick like they can, sort of like twenty 2618 01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:02,159 twenty seven's the New Orleans gets the more favorable of 2619 01:54:02,279 --> 01:54:05,479 its owner Milwaukee's. So it's just like not unless he 2620 01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,119 asked for it. I'm just not I don't know that's 2621 01:54:08,199 --> 01:54:10,159 I think. I'll say it this way. Who do you 2622 01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:11,920 think has a better chance of being moved this off season? 2623 01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:13,600 Giannis or Lebron Lebron? 2624 01:54:14,279 --> 01:54:17,359 Speaker 2: I mean, like, and I agree with what you said. 2625 01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:21,439 I think the Bucks are not going to contend, But 2626 01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:25,119 I think Joannis if that were, if that were the issue, 2627 01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:27,119 like they weren't going to contend last year like this 2628 01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:30,119 and these came, you know, even with a healthy Dame. 2629 01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:31,199 Speaker 3: I didn't like the odds. 2630 01:54:31,199 --> 01:54:35,439 Speaker 2: So like, I think I don't think he looks at 2631 01:54:35,439 --> 01:54:37,920 it quite that way. Or maybe he's like just because 2632 01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:40,640 it takes a certain level of irrational confidence to get 2633 01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:42,960 to where he and guys like him have gotten, Like 2634 01:54:43,399 --> 01:54:45,279 he just sees like, well, I'm on the team, so 2635 01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:47,960 of course we can contend. Like what are we talking about? 2636 01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,399 And I like it here, so I don't want to 2637 01:54:49,439 --> 01:54:52,119 be traded, you know, if if he were really looking 2638 01:54:52,159 --> 01:54:54,560 at it clear eyed in terms of like where is 2639 01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:56,359 the best place for me to win a title, It's 2640 01:54:56,359 --> 01:54:59,159 like he would have seen Milwaukee was not the answer 2641 01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,760 long long ago. That's that's clearly just not the only 2642 01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:03,760 thing he's thinking about. 2643 01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:06,880 Speaker 1: I also would I'm just gonna keep an eye on 2644 01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:10,560 anybody in Boston at this point, including Jalen Brown. And 2645 01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,079 I'm wondering if, like, if Dame signs there on the minimum, 2646 01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:14,720 do you think that means it more or less likely 2647 01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:17,760 that they would viewed as like not because if you're 2648 01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:19,880 gonna have Dame and Jason Tatum healthy the next year, 2649 01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:21,520 do you think they viewed as well Derek White and 2650 01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:23,720 r Jalen Brown are a little bit more expendable to 2651 01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,239 them to make a move now. Is the uncertainty of 2652 01:55:26,239 --> 01:55:27,720 those Achilles injuries just too much? 2653 01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,960 Speaker 2: That was, and just the Dame being that much older 2654 01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:35,199 and looking not quite like a superstar before that. Yeah, 2655 01:55:35,279 --> 01:55:38,800 I mean, I would, like look just pure cold logic, 2656 01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,479 like I would be trying to move Jalen Brown just 2657 01:55:40,479 --> 01:55:42,399 because I don't want the back end of that contract 2658 01:55:43,439 --> 01:55:47,319 and I don't think I don't think you're gonna win 2659 01:55:47,399 --> 01:55:50,600 another championship with the Tatum Brown pairing. I think if 2660 01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:54,920 it happens, it's Tatum and you've retooled everything around him, do. 2661 01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:56,920 Speaker 1: You want to be a wild trade because they make 2662 01:55:57,079 --> 01:55:59,239 and maybe there's like dollars and cents that I'm not 2663 01:55:59,279 --> 01:56:02,359 seeing when I'm looking at the sheet. Jalen Brown and 2664 01:56:02,439 --> 01:56:06,359 Karnthon Towns make the exact same amount of money next year, 2665 01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:08,680 and you would be getting one fewer year on the 2666 01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:11,680 Towns deal. You don't really have a center right now 2667 01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,840 in Boston. Is that like I'm assuming the Knicks have 2668 01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:16,880 to be the team or is it like that has 2669 01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:18,840 to attach picks to that, right? I mean Karnthon Town's 2670 01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:20,720 is he a little They're probably the same age. The 2671 01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,920 Knicks don't have picks, they have swaps and that fake 2672 01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:24,800 Wizards First, your. 2673 01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:27,640 Speaker 2: Get cat off my team agenda has been a parent 2674 01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:28,920 for some time, and. 2675 01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:32,079 Speaker 1: I think he's a really good basketball player that him 2676 01:56:32,119 --> 01:56:35,199 and Jalen Brunson. You're just not like defensively, you can't 2677 01:56:35,239 --> 01:56:36,600 make it work. And if the only way to make 2678 01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,960 it work is to play him with the Mitchell Robinson, 2679 01:56:39,279 --> 01:56:40,960 I think you new to a lot of the offensive 2680 01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:46,159 appeal is all that's true. So a final thing, who's 2681 01:56:46,199 --> 01:56:49,279 the most likely big name to be traded this summer? 2682 01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:51,079 It doesn't have to mean from this list, but. 2683 01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:54,520 Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean this list is pretty I'm not 2684 01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:58,039 seeing anybody. I mean, is is Kuminga. 2685 01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:01,279 Speaker 3: On this list? Probably not. I said big name in 2686 01:57:01,319 --> 01:57:07,319 his mind, he's the biggest. I'll just say I don't know. 2687 01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:10,520 Speaker 2: I think of the options here, I'll just say bridges 2688 01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:13,119 because I've kind of been kicking around the idea that 2689 01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,880 that that might happen. If the extension doesn't get done. 2690 01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,079 Speaker 1: I'm gonna manifest it because it would be absolute chaos. 2691 01:57:19,399 --> 01:57:23,920 I'm going to say Lebron Okay, not a crazy, No, 2692 01:57:24,079 --> 01:57:26,960 not crazy at all. This was great. We covered a 2693 01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:27,560 lot of ground. 2694 01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,560 Speaker 3: Everyone is yeah, what is crazy? Two hours almost and 2695 01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:33,000 a lot of people that were in the chat at 2696 01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:34,000 the beginning are still here. 2697 01:57:34,319 --> 01:57:37,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. Shout out anyway, if you made it through well one, 2698 01:57:37,439 --> 01:57:39,720 please throw alike onto the actual video and subscribe you 2699 01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,880 haven't already, and share our content. We appreciate it. But 2700 01:57:42,199 --> 01:57:44,760 shout out to everyone who listened to this live through 2701 01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:48,520 and through the live element is interesting. It's fun. I 2702 01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:50,399 like interacting with people in stream. It's also a lot 2703 01:57:50,439 --> 01:57:53,319 easier because now I can't I make mistakes. I can't 2704 01:57:53,319 --> 01:57:55,279 go back and fix, fix them and post like I 2705 01:57:55,279 --> 01:57:58,039 do normally. When we record, you're. 2706 01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,960 Speaker 2: Gonna be yelling at clowns forever. It's gonna be on 2707 01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:01,960 the internet for all time. 2708 01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:04,680 Speaker 1: Are you ready to take us out of here before 2709 01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:05,760 we hit the two hour mark? 2710 01:58:06,039 --> 01:58:06,520 Speaker 3: Oh? 2711 01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:09,039 Speaker 2: Better hurry. Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. 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