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<v Speaker 1>Joining us now is Gary Benoid. He has been working

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<v Speaker 1>with the New American for nearly fifty years, just at

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<v Speaker 1>the cusp of it. He is now the editor in

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<v Speaker 1>chief of The New American, the publication of the John

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<v Speaker 1>Birch Society. We're going to talk to him about his book.

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<v Speaker 1>I really like the title of this, the John Birch Society,

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<v Speaker 1>the Vanguard of the Americanist Cause. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>great way to put it, and I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good description of what they do. But we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>begin by talking about the constitutional issues about declaring war

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<v Speaker 1>since we're looking at this Iron war. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us, Gary, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, so happy be on your program.

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<v Speaker 1>David, Well, thank you. You know, we look at this,

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about so many different aspects. The number one

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<v Speaker 1>issue for me personally is the moral issue. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course there's practical issues involved with all of this. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also legal issues, which we're going to talk about out.

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<v Speaker 1>But the only thing they seem to be interested in

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<v Speaker 1>is lethal issues. How many people can we kill? That's

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<v Speaker 1>what we hear from feed Eggs all the time. He

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<v Speaker 1>always wants to talk about lethality. Lethality, but he never

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<v Speaker 1>talks about legality that is there. So let's talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about the Constitution and war, because we've had

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<v Speaker 1>a slight pushback from the House and from the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>on this, and of course, with the War Powers Act,

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<v Speaker 1>the president was supposed to once they initiate acts of

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<v Speaker 1>war against another country, they're supposed to notify Congress within

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours. So they had Rubio go over and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the Gang of eight a term which I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot find in the Constitution. Maybe you know it. Where

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<v Speaker 1>it is in the Constitution, I can't find it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he talks to the leaders of the two different

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<v Speaker 1>parties and a couple of other people and told them

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<v Speaker 1>that we had been pushed into it by Israel and

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<v Speaker 1>that was the end of it. You know, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any more discussions. And there have been bills that

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<v Speaker 1>have been brought up in both the House and the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate to say that we want to have a declaration

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<v Speaker 1>of war before we continue with this. Those have both

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<v Speaker 1>been shut down. And now, according to the War Powers Act,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's not a declaration of war within sixty days,

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<v Speaker 1>the president would have to withdraw. But of course that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the way that it has worked for the longest time,

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<v Speaker 1>is it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not. And actually you mentioned, David that you

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<v Speaker 2>could not find the Gang of Eight terminology in the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can't not only find that, I also cannot

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<v Speaker 2>find the War Powers Act in the Constitution. That's right,

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<v Speaker 2>and the War Powers Act, of course, that was something

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<v Speaker 2>that was done during the Vietnam War era to try

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<v Speaker 2>to change things in the future where the president can

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<v Speaker 2>just not will nearly go to war and have that

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<v Speaker 2>war continue and escalated as long as he wants. But

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<v Speaker 2>even the War Powers Act, I would argue, is unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 2>I would go back to the provisions in the Constitution itself,

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<v Speaker 2>and those provisions are very clearly assume me worded, and

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<v Speaker 2>they assign or the provisions assigned in the Constitution. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an Article one, section eight assign most war powers to Congress,

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<v Speaker 2>not to the president, and specifically regarding the decision whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not to go to war, that is specifically Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>That is totally Congress. And the way it's word in

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<v Speaker 2>the Constitution is the congressional power to declare war. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know theyved the only reason they use the word

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<v Speaker 2>declare as opposed to the word make is because the

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<v Speaker 2>funding fathers did recognize, well, my goodness, what if the

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<v Speaker 2>United States of America is subjected to a sudden attack

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<v Speaker 2>and we have you know, the troops coming into America,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the president would have to violate the Constitution

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<v Speaker 2>in order to save the country from that sudden attack.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only reason why they made the word declare

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<v Speaker 2>rather than the word make.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, and of course we need to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to declare our causes for them declare what the end

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<v Speaker 1>is the end goal? As many people said, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a declared ending to your war, it's never

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<v Speaker 1>going to end, right, And so it just keeps going

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<v Speaker 1>on on because we don't have it. We got these

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<v Speaker 1>moving goalposts. And of course people get drawn into this

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<v Speaker 1>with the tit and tit that happens with war always.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're absolutely right. Even the War Powers Act, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is not there. I view that as kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>desperate act from Congress saying and we really mean it now, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>don't really mean it now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is you know, how all of a sudden, all

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<v Speaker 2>these liberal democrats have discovered the Constitution. Yeah, on this

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<v Speaker 2>specific thing, they are right. The president should not act

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<v Speaker 2>as a king that's right. The president should not have

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<v Speaker 2>the power of a king to just have a war

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<v Speaker 2>wheneverbody wants to. But you know, I can't help thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, when you look at history that if you

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<v Speaker 2>head right now a Democrat president rather a Republican president,

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<v Speaker 2>that all of a sudden the Democratic to be taking

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite position.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we know, they would absolutely would, yes. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at the Senate, it was only forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent of the Senators, along partisan lines pretty much,

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<v Speaker 1>that voted to stop this act of aggression, which is

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<v Speaker 1>really what this war is. And in the House side

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<v Speaker 1>it was slightly closer. It was forty nine percent saying

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<v Speaker 1>we need to stop this and fifty one percent saying

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<v Speaker 1>we don't care, do whatever you want. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>sad situation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at this and I think back to Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Levin and his you know, a lot of the people

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put together a constitutional convention to change the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that the John Bird Society has warned

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<v Speaker 1>about the dangers of this significantly. And I look at

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<v Speaker 1>it and I say, well, if we've got a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are not interested in following the constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got. Why would we allow that gang of people

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<v Speaker 1>to write a new constitution because they won't even follow

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<v Speaker 1>the rules that they've got right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I agree with you completely regarding that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're in a bad situation right now, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course it is true that the Funding Fathers

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<v Speaker 2>put into the Constitution a provision for having an Article

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<v Speaker 2>five convention. But I would say that today would be

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<v Speaker 2>the worst possible time we could employ that, yes, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much of a lack of understanding on the

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<v Speaker 2>part of the people today. And you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>go back to the Funding Fathers, you did have people

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<v Speaker 2>of wisdom, and they created the government large enough to

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<v Speaker 2>protect our freedom, but not so large that the government

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<v Speaker 2>become a destroyer of the freedom that was supposed to protect.

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<v Speaker 2>And what would happen today if we opened up a

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it wouldn't be just members of the John

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<v Speaker 2>Bridges Society who would be there.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be the people who don't care what's in the

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<v Speaker 1>constitution and are going to do whatever they want. And

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be an incredibly dangerous thing. Speaking of which, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things I just recently talked about, we have

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<v Speaker 1>some really scary moves being made in terms of artificial

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence and sweeping aside the Tenth Amendment to allow the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government to rush forward with this as really a

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance and speech control tool. And this has been introduced

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<v Speaker 1>And we've got a new bill that has come out

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<v Speaker 1>by Marshall Blackburn, who will probably be the next governor

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<v Speaker 1>of Tennessee where I live, and she has utter contempt

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<v Speaker 1>for what she calls a patchwork of regulations. That really

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<v Speaker 1>is what the Tenth Amendment is about, having the ability

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<v Speaker 1>for different states to have different regulations for various things.

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<v Speaker 1>But we know how from a practical standpoint, how that works.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to be able to pull everything together in

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<v Speaker 1>regulatory capture that will result will allow them to do

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they wish. So it is a move to stop

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<v Speaker 1>all regulation and to federalize all artificial intelligence. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>very dangerous move, I think that's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I agree completely, it is very very dangerous. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course, the founding fathers recognized the corrupt, corrupting influence

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<v Speaker 2>of power, and so when they created the federal government,

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<v Speaker 2>they did not want to put all the power of

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<v Speaker 2>government into a single part. And so what they did

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<v Speaker 2>was they defined a few powers that government could have

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<v Speaker 2>on the national level, and then they took those few

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<v Speaker 2>specified powers and they divided them among the three branches

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<v Speaker 2>of government, the executive, the legislative, and the judicial. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they built in a brilliant system of checks and

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<v Speaker 2>balances to try to prevent power from being consolidated, let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>in the executive branch or into another branch, so the

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<v Speaker 2>various branches could check themselves. But then they took all

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<v Speaker 2>other powers of government, and of course this is where

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<v Speaker 2>the Tenth Amendment comes in, all other powers, and they

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<v Speaker 2>reserved them to the people and to the estates.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. And so this is it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>it's like if you go back to the Lord of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rings analogy, it's like they found this new ring

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<v Speaker 1>of power which is incredibly powerful, This artificial intelligence, the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to be able to go back and audit everybody

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<v Speaker 1>or everything and very fine detail, and to collate all

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<v Speaker 1>the information that they've been collecting on people for a

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<v Speaker 1>very long time. I remember, over a decade ago talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the massive amounts of information that they were saving.

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<v Speaker 1>I had an interview with William Benny, who was global

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<v Speaker 1>technical head of the NSA, and he was saying, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're saving everything on everybody, and they're just waiting until

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<v Speaker 1>they've got the computer power to go back and organize

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff and collate it. That's where we are

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<v Speaker 1>right now. It's a very very dangerous thing. When I

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<v Speaker 1>look at the powers that are being put into a

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<v Speaker 1>police surveillance state, it truly is stunning to see what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing. And it is the ultimate consolidation of power,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it sure?

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<v Speaker 2>And so much of it is being done in the

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<v Speaker 2>name of what is often called consertism or call law

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<v Speaker 2>and order. Yeah, obviously we believe that our rights should

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<v Speaker 2>be protected. That's that's the purpose of a government, but

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<v Speaker 2>we don't want to take it to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>we have a police state. Because a government big enough

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<v Speaker 2>to do everything that you'd wanted to do, protection everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>is big enough to take away from you everything you have,

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<v Speaker 2>and so deponding fathers imagine was that law enforcement that

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<v Speaker 2>that would belong to the states and to local communities,

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<v Speaker 2>and the idea, of course, if you have any pen

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<v Speaker 2>and police departments, that those departments would be beholden to

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<v Speaker 2>the communities that they protect and serve. But then you

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<v Speaker 2>take those powers and you transfer them into the hands

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<v Speaker 2>of the national government and create a national police state.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens is then those police are beholden to the

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<v Speaker 2>central government in Washington, and that's not what we want.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, conspirators for global control, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>come right out and say, well, gee, we want to

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<v Speaker 2>enslave you. We want to have complete and absolute power.

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<v Speaker 2>So those they say things like, well, we need these

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<v Speaker 2>powers in order to fight illegal immigration, or we need

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<v Speaker 2>these person in order to fight crime, in in order

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<v Speaker 2>to fight terrorism, and certainly we need to fight terrorism,

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<v Speaker 2>let's not use that as a pretext in order to

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen it happen with Nazi Germany. We've seen it

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<v Speaker 2>and they were told that that Hitler would make Germany

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a lot of people get very angry with

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<v Speaker 1>I said, because then they become the most dangerous threat

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<v Speaker 1>to us. And that's really the case. But a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of course, always the solution that is given to you is,

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<v Speaker 1>since they've got one giant hammer coming out of Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>they perceive everything as a nail, and so we want

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever they wish. I said, that is the most

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous thing we could have, and when we look at it,

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<v Speaker 1>we can put on the list in terms of excuses

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<v Speaker 1>for getting rid of any protections against excessive use of force.

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<v Speaker 1>We could put on there. What we saw during COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>the public health issue, and I think we talk about conspiracies.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's just the coincidence that all of the

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<v Speaker 1>governments around the world are basically doing the same nonsensical

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<v Speaker 1>stuff at the same time, right, exactly the same things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, But COVID, I would say, or specifically the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they've.

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<v Speaker 2>Build a lot of Americans because who could have imagined

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<v Speaker 2>But very few people could have imagined until the COVID policies,

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<v Speaker 2>the lockdowns, the mandates were put in place that those

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<v Speaker 2>who could have imagined before two Yeah? Not even me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was very cynical about that. I was absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>just shaking my heads, like why isn't anybody having a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with this? I mean, they moved the Overton windows

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<v Speaker 1>so far that they definishtrated the Bill of Rights.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The good news is though. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>those policies were put in place again today, I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more people would not go along with it,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope not. But you know, there hasn't been any

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<v Speaker 1>penalty paid by these people, And usually if they admit

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do it quicker next time, and we'll do it

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<v Speaker 1>more thoroughly. That seems to be the comeback that we

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<v Speaker 1>see from these commissions of Inquiry that are in different countries.

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<v Speaker 1>They come back, if they'll admit any wrongdoing, they'll say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the message that I get from all that

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Yeah. Absolutely, it had.

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<v Speaker 2>A testable wanting to see how far they could go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, and they moved that over to

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<v Speaker 1>the window, didn't they Truly is amazing. Well, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about your book and about the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the John Birth Society, because I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very fascinating history. I first heard of the John Birch

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<v Speaker 1>Society as it was being attacked as this crank a

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theorist group out there by William F. Buckley. I

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<v Speaker 1>eventually figured out where William Bucket was coming from and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually figured out what the John Bird Society was about.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was when I was in college and I

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<v Speaker 1>heard the other viewpoint talk a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>founding of the John Birch Society and the resistance that

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<v Speaker 1>you've had from mainstream media and life of different quarters,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the John Society was founded in nineteen fifty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course at the time the country was viewed

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<v Speaker 2>as very anti communists. You know, we believe in the

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<v Speaker 2>constitution and whatnot. But in nineteen fifty eight, the founder

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<v Speaker 2>of the JENERN Birch Society, Robert Welch, who was a businessman,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was warning that communism really is a problem,

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<v Speaker 2>not just externally but also internally, and so he founded

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<v Speaker 2>this organization to stop communism and specifically what they called

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<v Speaker 2>it a communist conspiracy. Of course, as time went on,

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<v Speaker 2>and it didn't take a lot of time, but he

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<v Speaker 2>connected the dots too to show that the people working

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<v Speaker 2>for more government leading to world government in this country

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<v Speaker 2>and elsewhere included not just communists, but included powerful elitists

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<v Speaker 2>who wanted to basically bring about the same thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he blew the whistle. He said that we would

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<v Speaker 2>have more and more government in this country, leading the

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<v Speaker 2>total government. He said the ADAD Nations was a world

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<v Speaker 2>government deficits. And basically what he was saying back in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty eight is exactly what we've seen happen over

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<v Speaker 2>the years. But back at that time, people's scoff because

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<v Speaker 2>they said it was ridiculous. You know, for example, what

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<v Speaker 2>the ADAD Nations was portrayed at the time as Mankind's

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<v Speaker 2>less best hope for peace. Can you imagine calling it

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<v Speaker 2>a communist inspired organization? And I remember the way it

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<v Speaker 2>was true, we were crazy to imagine a communist threat. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>today look at all the young people who probably both well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe in communism, I believe in socialism. But Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Welch blew the whistle, and he realized that in order

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<v Speaker 2>to solve the problem, to expose this conspiracy, because it

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<v Speaker 2>is a solution exposed in the conspiracy, you could not

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<v Speaker 2>just do it through elections. You cannot just do it

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<v Speaker 2>by running a good candidate, because ultimately the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the American people themselves. The American people were run informed,

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<v Speaker 2>they would make good decisions in the voting booth, and

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<v Speaker 2>then politicians who would not abide by the people, insisting

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<v Speaker 2>that they they abide by their oath of office, those

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<v Speaker 2>politicians would get voted out of office by an informed electorate.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course others would see where the political wins

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<v Speaker 2>got elected. So that was the solution that Rebel Welch advocated.

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<v Speaker 2>And he realized too that no one person could save

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<v Speaker 2>our freedoms it had been done, would have to be

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<v Speaker 2>done by an informed electorate, it had to be done

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<v Speaker 2>by the American people themselves, and so he created chapters

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the country where people in their own congressional district,

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<v Speaker 2>in their own communities could bring about this great awakening.

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<v Speaker 2>And I honestly believe because I've been remember of the

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<v Speaker 2>John burgus Ie since nineteen sixty eight, since I was

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<v Speaker 2>a teenager. It came on the staff in nineteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>But I believe that because of what the John Birch

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<v Speaker 2>Society has done, specifically the members of the John Birch

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<v Speaker 2>Society and their allies over so many years, that we

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<v Speaker 2>would not have our freedoms today if it was not

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<v Speaker 2>for what we've done. So I feel like we held back,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the forces that want to bring about world

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<v Speaker 2>government and steal trainanism. We have bought time so that today,

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty six, we can still use our freedoms

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<v Speaker 2>to save our freedoms. And that's why my book, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, is called the Vanguard of the Americans cause

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<v Speaker 2>because we've really been in the forefront of this fight.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. Yeah, I remember the support your Local Sheriff thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which became a meme and actually James Gardner with that title,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that was and I kind of scratched my head.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, you know, what are they talking about. Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>figured out the dangers of a centralized federal police force,

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<v Speaker 1>militarized police force, which is what I think they're in

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<v Speaker 1>the process of trying to create right now. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think now more than ever, we need to revive that

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<v Speaker 1>support your Local Sheriff thing and to have locally elected people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not perfect. We get bad sheriffs, many different cases

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<v Speaker 1>like that, but again that is you've got a better

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<v Speaker 1>chance of having a say so at the local election

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<v Speaker 1>than you do at a federal election where we have

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<v Speaker 1>basically no control whatsoever. It was interesting the back and forth,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a George Soros and Elon musk As Elon

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<v Speaker 1>must said, well, you know, George Soros has got this

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<v Speaker 1>right when he gets these district attorneys in or the

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<v Speaker 1>more bang for his buck, and of course the voters

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<v Speaker 1>do as well. The more local the election, the more

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<v Speaker 1>very deluded and distant when you're talking about Washington, and

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<v Speaker 1>looking to Washington for every single solution. To me, that

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<v Speaker 1>We used to joke about, well, don't make a federal

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<v Speaker 1>case out of it. Everything is made a federal case

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<v Speaker 1>out of today, including with conservatives, and we used to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a free country, isn't it. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>say that anymore though, we don't nobody sees it as

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<v Speaker 2>I think I agree completely, and of course a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people really don't understand what freedom is. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>freedom is the ability to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the ability where government is limited and it's are

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to buy a home, you had the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to do that because you have the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>small business, which is increasingly being stifled today because of

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<v Speaker 2>all the government regulations. Of course, of that place at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of people we think of as capitalists or

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<v Speaker 2>super capitalists, but they actually use, you know, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you have all these regulations, and they use the

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<v Speaker 2>power of government and government favoritism to favor them at

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<v Speaker 2>the expense of the little guy, including the little business, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So we have to go back to that. We have

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<v Speaker 2>to get back to that wonderful system that caused America

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And you know, when we look at it,

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<v Speaker 1>things that's left open to entrepreneurship in a sense. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>disruptions that we had in twenty twenty and the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that are coming along now as well as inflation and

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<v Speaker 1>with other regulations, that's even becoming almost impossible. But that

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the few avenues that were left to people.

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<v Speaker 1>And you would see that a lot of the regulations

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<v Speaker 1>that were coming down the line for restaurants opening up

425
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<v Speaker 1>were things that were not essential, that had absolutely nothing

426
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<v Speaker 1>to do with health issues. They were there to stifle competition.

427
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<v Speaker 1>And so that truly is what we see happening everywhere.

428
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<v Speaker 1>And again going back to a lot of these regulations

429
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<v Speaker 1>of artificial intelligence and even digital ID and the way

430
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<v Speaker 1>that they are applying these things. We see the government

431
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<v Speaker 1>coming after three D printer manufacturers, putting onerous regulations on

432
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<v Speaker 1>them to essentially censor or spy on their users as

433
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<v Speaker 1>a manufacturer, and if you don't do it, they're going

434
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<v Speaker 1>to shut you down. We see the same thing happening

435
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<v Speaker 1>now even with software, with operating systems, things like that.

436
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<v Speaker 1>They're going to be coming after because they don't you know,

437
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<v Speaker 1>anything that is open source or that is a new

438
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<v Speaker 1>startup is going to be shut down by these onerous regulations.

439
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<v Speaker 1>They're going to make it so difficult to get started

440
00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:15.759
<v Speaker 1>that people aren't going to start. And a lot of

441
00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:18.279
<v Speaker 1>small businesses have even signaled that they're going to have

442
00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:23.079
<v Speaker 1>to shut down if these Internet regulations and these regulations

443
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<v Speaker 1>that are designed to outlaw all privacy run through. Let's

444
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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about where this real conspiracy of

445
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<v Speaker 1>communism is coming from. I had somebody at an event

446
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<v Speaker 1>that I was speaking at came up to me afterwards

447
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<v Speaker 1>and he said, you know, they've they've taken over every

448
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<v Speaker 1>one of the institutions. How the world did this ever happen?

449
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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, you know, there was a plan. It

450
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<v Speaker 1>was called marching through the institutions, Gramcy and others, and

451
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<v Speaker 1>they have executed that plan pretty well, haven't they.

452
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think that was from Gramsey. Wasn't the

453
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<v Speaker 2>use that Zach phrase march through the institutions? And of

454
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<v Speaker 2>course he was a communist strategist, and the point that

455
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<v Speaker 2>he made is that, at least for an advanced country

456
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<v Speaker 2>such as the United States, that the old fashioned frontal

457
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<v Speaker 2>assault is not going to work because the people will say, well, gee,

458
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to become a slave. You know, I

459
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<v Speaker 2>believe in freedom, I believe in the you know, the

460
00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:18.640
<v Speaker 2>great heritage that we have. And so how do they

461
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 2>do it? They do it step by step. If you

462
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<v Speaker 2>look at this country as to how it came about, well,

463
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<v Speaker 2>I'll start it. I would say almost after we got

464
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<v Speaker 2>the constitution, that patient gradualism. But let's pick a date

465
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<v Speaker 2>where I think it became very obvious, and that was

466
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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirteen. Because in nineteen thirteen, three huge things

467
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<v Speaker 2>happened in this country that were hammer hammer blows to

468
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<v Speaker 2>the republic. Yes, one of them was the establishment of

469
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<v Speaker 2>a heavy progressive income tax, and that actually was a

470
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<v Speaker 2>plank right out of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

471
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<v Speaker 2>in eineteen forty eight, so you could say that we

472
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<v Speaker 2>than the communist direction at least beginning in nineteen thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So don't get angry at the IRS on April fifteenth.

474
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<v Speaker 1>On April, sorry, don't get mad at the IRS as

475
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<v Speaker 1>much as you get as mad at the communists who

476
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<v Speaker 1>basically brought that to it to be the day the

477
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<v Speaker 1>anti Communists day, April fifteenth.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yeah, it is coming up up pretty fast. But

479
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.000
<v Speaker 2>we got the progressive income tax in nineteen thirteen. Again,

480
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<v Speaker 2>that was one of ten steps in the Communist Manifesto

481
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<v Speaker 2>that Carl Mark cited for communizing an advanced country. In particular,

482
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<v Speaker 2>another step was the creation of a central bank. We

483
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<v Speaker 2>got that in nineteen thirteen in the form of the

484
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<v Speaker 2>Federal Reserve System. That is a central bank and controls

485
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<v Speaker 2>money and credit in order to monetize federal debt. And

486
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<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of people think that when taxes

487
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<v Speaker 2>are cut officially, such as Trump cutting taxes, well, j

488
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<v Speaker 2>that means the government burden has been reduced. That's only

489
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<v Speaker 2>true if the government also cuts its spinning. Because taxes

490
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.279
<v Speaker 2>and allows spinning to go up, you have a larger

491
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<v Speaker 2>and larger deficit. That's how we got these trian dollar

492
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<v Speaker 2>rep deficits that we've been experiencing recently, and when the

493
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<v Speaker 2>government monetizes that, or excuse me, the Federal Reserve monetizes that.

494
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<v Speaker 2>What the Federal Reserve is doing is they're pumping new

495
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<v Speaker 2>money into the economy. And so all those new dollars,

496
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 2>it's just like a monopoly game. All those new dollars

497
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<v Speaker 2>the values the dollars that are already in the economy,

498
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<v Speaker 2>and that causes prices to go up. So you could

499
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.920
<v Speaker 2>call that an inflation tax. But anyway, the Central Bank

500
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<v Speaker 2>out of the communist manifesto, we got that in nineteen

501
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>thirteen as well. So you can say in nineteen thirteen,

502
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<v Speaker 2>out of these ten steps or ten planks, we got

503
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<v Speaker 2>two of them. You could say is at that point

504
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.119
<v Speaker 2>the United States of America was already twenty percent communized.

505
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<v Speaker 2>And the third thing I want to mention that happened

506
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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirteen was the election of senators. And a

507
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of people think, well, gee, isn't that a good thing,

508
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>because we don't we want the people to elect our senators.

509
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<v Speaker 2>But what was overlooked was the fact that, well, g

510
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>we're already doing that in the form of the people

511
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 2>were electing to the House of Representatives, and the whole

512
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.359
<v Speaker 2>concept of the funding Fithers that having two houses composing Congress,

513
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.680
<v Speaker 2>both the House Representatives and the Senate, was that a

514
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:29.240
<v Speaker 2>bill cannot become law unless it was passed by both

515
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<v Speaker 2>the House representative representatives representing the people and the Senate

516
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:39.599
<v Speaker 2>representing the states. But now the states do not have

517
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 2>senators representing them in Congress, and so it makes it

518
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:47.440
<v Speaker 2>much easier to yoursserve power from the states and transfer

519
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.079
<v Speaker 2>that power into the hands of the federal government.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, people don't understand that division of power

521
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>that was there. That's what that representative wasn't taking away

522
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>your representation, as you point out. And that's why people

523
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 1>don't understand the tenth Amendment, because that was really about

524
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 1>the power that's been delegated specifically by the people or

525
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>by the states, and so they broke that. You're talking

526
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<v Speaker 1>about the reducing taxes without reducing spending. That was one

527
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<v Speaker 1>of my issues with the Tea Party. I thought they

528
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<v Speaker 1>really didn't understand what they were talking about because they

529
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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a priority. You know, they said the Tea

530
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<v Speaker 1>Party was taxed enough already. But I'd say if you

531
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<v Speaker 1>don't cut the spending, you should say we're indebted enough already. Fact,

532
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<v Speaker 1>I've never talked about that side of it.

533
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<v Speaker 2>So the obviously taxes should be cut, but over the

534
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 2>long tournament, it's not going to help unless we lower

535
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:46.559
<v Speaker 2>taxes through less government. And of course they need that

536
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<v Speaker 2>is to get government back to the constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. The way I look at the John Burs

538
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<v Speaker 1>Society is it's very important the educational aspect of this

539
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<v Speaker 1>because another one of the planks of the Communist Party,

540
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<v Speaker 1>I think was the compulsory government funded education, and that's

541
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<v Speaker 1>really what has gotten us there to a large degree.

542
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<v Speaker 1>And I think that it is very important that people

543
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>understand what has really happened to get the perspective that

544
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the John Bird Society is out there as a counter

545
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<v Speaker 1>to the government schools telling their one sided story of this.

546
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<v Speaker 2>Right, And of course I would say that the government

547
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 2>schools were designed in the beginning to become what they

548
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>have become today. And because a lot of people would say, well, gee,

549
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>we need to reform the government schools, well, the only

550
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<v Speaker 2>way to reform it is to get rid of the

551
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<v Speaker 2>government schools and to go back to private education. Yes,

552
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<v Speaker 2>and that was the education that we had in this

553
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<v Speaker 2>country prior to the advent of the government school system

554
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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteenth century.

555
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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, when you look at it, pretty much

556
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<v Speaker 1>everybody was homeschooled, and maybe they'd have a little bit

557
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<v Speaker 1>of private schooling. I have talked over and over again

558
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<v Speaker 1>about the Wright brothers versus Langley, and how he was

559
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<v Speaker 1>the establishment guy and he had all the credentials and

560
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 1>he was out of the Smithsonian Jada had a couple

561
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<v Speaker 1>of homeschool bicycle mechanics who beat him to the punch, right, And.

562
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<v Speaker 2>So it's a really good illustration.

563
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<v Speaker 1>It's something that always stuck with me after I saw it,

564
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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's the key. You know, there was

565
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<v Speaker 1>a tremendous amount of a very hypercentage of literacy at

566
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<v Speaker 1>the time that America has created. And of course you

567
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>have a book like Thomas Paine's Common Sense. Everybody is

568
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<v Speaker 1>reading it and they're thinking about the political theories behind

569
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:33.559
<v Speaker 1>it and discussing that you.

570
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<v Speaker 2>Too, and so for them it was common sense. But

571
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<v Speaker 2>how many people would understand that book today?

572
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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, maybe we should have a two hundred

573
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<v Speaker 1>and fiftieth anniversary of that.

574
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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the solution of the government school problem is first

575
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<v Speaker 2>of all, to get the federal Garment out of education,

576
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<v Speaker 2>because the federal Garment does not have any constitutional authority

577
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 2>to be involved. But even on the state level, my recommendation,

578
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<v Speaker 2>and the recommendation of the John Birch Society, even at

579
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>that level, would be for the states to get our

580
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<v Speaker 2>education as well and allow it to be handled privately.

581
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<v Speaker 2>I agree absolutely, that's what the churches too. Yes, uh,

582
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<v Speaker 2>you know, isn't it wonderful to uh, you know, have

583
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<v Speaker 2>a church school for example.

584
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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm hm. And we have seen that, you know,

585
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.839
<v Speaker 1>private charity and the actions of churches and that type

586
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 1>of thing. That was something that was so ingrained in

587
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<v Speaker 1>American society, as Alexis Footpl talked about it.

588
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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

589
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<v Speaker 1>And yet that is basically withered and died. It isn't

590
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<v Speaker 1>to say that it can't be restored, but there has

591
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:35.839
<v Speaker 1>to be a desire to do that. As it is

592
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.559
<v Speaker 1>right now, everybody just figures, well, I gave it the irs,

593
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<v Speaker 1>and I don't really have to I don't have to

594
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<v Speaker 1>worry about that.

595
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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good point. They've already given through Uncle Sam.

596
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 2>They gave Uncle Sam the money and Uncle Sam's taking

597
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<v Speaker 2>care of it. But one problem with that Uncle Sam

598
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<v Speaker 2>taking care of it is what we saw happened very

599
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 2>recently in Minneapolis. Wouldn't you say that's right, because you

600
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<v Speaker 2>know who's who's mining the store, so to speak, and

601
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>so look at all the fraud and abuse. And that's

602
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 2>an argument I think for the fact that you really

603
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<v Speaker 2>cannot solve the problem of the social welfare system by

604
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<v Speaker 2>making it efficient. I know, Mussolini, you know, the fascist

605
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Mussolini during World War Two, promised that he would make

606
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Italian socialism efficient, making run into trains run in time,

607
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't work that way. So you know, obviously

608
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.200
<v Speaker 2>we're going to have all this waste as long as

609
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 2>the garment's involved. So you got to get the garment

610
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<v Speaker 2>out of it, and in particular the federal government, because

611
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the federal government is not going to have as much

612
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>of an understanding of what is really needed on the

613
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.079
<v Speaker 2>local level is the people on the local level. It's

614
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>that simple. So a state government providing welfare will be

615
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.359
<v Speaker 2>better than a national garment. A local community providing welfare

616
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>would be better than the state government. But the ideal

617
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 2>course will get back to a system where friends and

618
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<v Speaker 2>neighbors were taking care of themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, absolutely. Yeah, once you get those long lines,

620
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<v Speaker 1>that is very easy to long lines of control. It's

621
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<v Speaker 1>very easy to subvert that, as we saw with Minneapolis.

622
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<v Speaker 1>That is one of the practical aspects of it. But

623
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<v Speaker 1>the other aspect of it, I guess it has been lost,

624
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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's part of the moral degradation of

625
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>our society is that people. You know, so much of

626
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<v Speaker 1>the charity was running through the churches, and it was

627
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:24.319
<v Speaker 1>based on religion and people. Once you practice that, you

628
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>start to realize that it is better to give than

629
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>to receive, you know, and there is a pleasure in

630
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.160
<v Speaker 1>helping other people that we completely miss out on. That's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the worst aspects of the welfare state, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>is breaking that connection. And that's one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that we see happening right now, especially with COVID. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be the primary focus of the technocracy is

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<v Speaker 1>to break that human human contact. Government does that a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal, but the technology is focusing on that even

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<v Speaker 1>more and is splitting us off from that. So we

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<v Speaker 1>are disconnected. Yeah, we're disconnected or adamized or isolated as individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a very dangerous thing, and it shuts off

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<v Speaker 1>so many wonderful things from all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of us, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk a little bit about how we get back

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<v Speaker 1>from this. When you have the John Birch Society, do

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<v Speaker 1>they meet and local meetings on a regular basis or Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so tell us at about that. Okay, tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about that and how that's organized.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, I would encourage people to go

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<v Speaker 2>to JBS dot org JBS for the John Bird Society

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<v Speaker 2>and find out more about it. But again, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>idea is that we can't rely on a national mailling house.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't rely on a particular politician to save our country.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to wake the town and tell the people

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<v Speaker 2>and get them involved. And that happens better. It happens

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<v Speaker 2>a lot better when you get synergy going. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you have people actually meeting together and working together and

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<v Speaker 2>people comparing no so to speak, you can get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more are done. Then people are working in a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course another part of the two is you

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<v Speaker 2>can focus on certain projects. For example, a project of

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<v Speaker 2>the General Birch Society going back today one basically and

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<v Speaker 2>running right up to the present has been to get

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<v Speaker 2>us out of the United Nations. Yes, recognizing that that

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<v Speaker 2>was intended and still is intended, I believe to be

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<v Speaker 2>the seat of an emergent, emerging new world order.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>People get together. They can do things like putting up

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<v Speaker 2>a billboard in their community. They can do things like

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<v Speaker 2>distributing literature house to house and whatnot. And you compare

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<v Speaker 2>notes and you know it helps create the synergy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I agree, yes, And you know, when we look

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<v Speaker 1>at it again, the solutions are local, and so you

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<v Speaker 1>need to make those connections locally. And when you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the UN, everybody's looking at all these attacks on

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<v Speaker 1>the family and the attacks on children in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the transgender issues and things like that. That all flows

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<v Speaker 1>from the UN, from the UN's Convention on the Rights

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<v Speaker 1>of the Child. And the only country that hasn't bought

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<v Speaker 1>into that formally is the United States. And I say

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<v Speaker 1>formally because from a practical standpoint, our state and local

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<v Speaker 1>and federal governments, as well as the judiciary, have all

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<v Speaker 1>bought into the premises of the UN Convention on the

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<v Speaker 1>Rights of the Child. If you say that a child

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<v Speaker 1>has rights, that is in direct competition to the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of parental rights. And that is a device, a scheme,

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<v Speaker 1>a fiction that's created by the UN, propagated by the

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<v Speaker 1>UN in order to break up families, in order to

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<v Speaker 1>separate the good.

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<v Speaker 2>But the whole idea on the part of the conspirators

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<v Speaker 2>for global control, and whereas that concludes the people who

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<v Speaker 2>operate the United Nations, is that they see themselves of

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<v Speaker 2>the family. They see the government as the family right,

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<v Speaker 2>they see the family the real family that actually, under

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<v Speaker 2>God's plan is the fundamental unit of civilization. They see

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<v Speaker 2>that as the competing loyalty to them. They want total

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<v Speaker 2>loyalty to be devoted to the state.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is a very hallmark of communism, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, as Hillary is, that takes a village aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and so it really is important for us

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<v Speaker 1>to organize at the local level. And the New American

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<v Speaker 1>is the publication that you are editor in chief of,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the publication of the John Birch Society

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<v Speaker 1>that gives you an overview of what is happening nationally

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<v Speaker 1>and internationally. You're going to get the local information and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the Kitender's the things that I can't really cover

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<v Speaker 1>on a regular basis. That's why you need to have

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<v Speaker 1>something like the John Birch Society, because that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>give you a handle on what's happening in your local area.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many different local offices that nobody can really

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<v Speaker 1>report on that. I mean, we can cover something bad

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening at the state level from time to time,

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<v Speaker 1>but what is happening right there in your community. A

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<v Speaker 1>good example of this are the flock cameras that are

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<v Speaker 1>springing up everywhere, and people don't really understand what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>They understand how these things are flocking together into a

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<v Speaker 1>massive informant network once people find out about it. We've

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<v Speaker 1>had some communities that have said get those things out

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<v Speaker 1>of here. But you have to have people informed at

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<v Speaker 1>the local level, and so it's very important to have

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of an organization like that, and the John

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<v Speaker 1>Vers Society is there, has been there for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always great talking to people from the John Verd Society.

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<v Speaker 1>I've interviewed Alex Newman on education issues and climate change

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<v Speaker 1>issues many many times, and it's always great having people.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for joining us, Gary and your book, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe this is my first time in your program.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is. And let's talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>your book as well. The title is Vanguard of the

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<v Speaker 1>Americanist cause they close look at the John Birch Society, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Where's the best place for people to get there? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, good? And where can people get that?

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<v Speaker 1>Where's the best place?

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<v Speaker 2>You can go to JBS dot org. And and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a place there where can go to our book division

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll you will find it there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Thank you so much, Gary Benoit, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much, the editor in chief of The New American,

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<v Speaker 1>the New American dot com. Thank you the common man.

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<v Speaker 1>They created common Core and dumbed down our children. They

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<v Speaker 1>created common past track and control us. They're Commons project

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure the commoners own nothing and the communist future.

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<v Speaker 1>They see the common man as simple, not sophisticated ordinary.

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<v Speaker 1>But each of us has worth and dignity created in

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<v Speaker 1>the image of God. That is what we have in common.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what they want to take away. The most

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<v Speaker 1>powerful weapon is our isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire to

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<v Speaker 1>know everything about us, while they hide everything from us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to turn that around and expose what they

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<v Speaker 1>want to hide. Please share the information and links you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find at Thedavidnightshow dot com. Thank you for listening, thank

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