Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand. Terry, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I talked to you with regard to my
Speaker 2: sister who was in the hospital dying.
Speaker 1: Yes, she was an alcoholic, yes, and.
Speaker 2: Her husband and let me just throw in that my
Speaker 2: husband and I took her twin girls from three to
Speaker 2: ten years old. Anyways, they fought us until they got
Speaker 2: him back. But anyway, there it was always strained. Let's
Speaker 2: just leave it there. Anyway, you told me to talk
Speaker 2: to my sister, or suggested that I see that she was.
Speaker 2: She was paralyzed and was incoherent, but I talked to
Speaker 2: her anyway. I hope you're really good with the Lord
Speaker 2: if you if you repent, he will take you to heaven.
Speaker 2: You'll be forgiven. I mean paralyzed, in incoherent. Her entire
Speaker 2: body shook around for about two seconds, so it was.
Speaker 3: Like, whoa cool? You know?
Speaker 2: So she heard me. I hope she did. Okay, here's
Speaker 2: my problem. One of the girls died late eight days later,
Speaker 2: on February second, due to alcoholism, which I didn't really
Speaker 2: know she was. So I am so furious right now
Speaker 2: with her husband who's still alive. We've been driving him
Speaker 2: all around and we paid for my sister's cremation, and
Speaker 2: my other sister is kicking in so he can bury
Speaker 2: his daughter. He has no money and I'm driving him
Speaker 2: around and all I want to do is punch him
Speaker 2: out and having a horrible time with this feeling of hate.
Speaker 1: And have you brought it up to him at all?
Speaker 2: Oh? He knows I am real, But I.
Speaker 1: Mean with him face. I don't mean passive aggressive, being
Speaker 1: a jerk or those types of things. I mean, have
Speaker 1: you looked him in the face and told him, Well.
Speaker 2: When he was talking about suing the hospital, and he
Speaker 2: kept talking about suing the hospital, I finally looked at
Speaker 2: him and I said, look, we should see you, or
Speaker 2: it grows indifference to another human being. I said, you
Speaker 2: knew she was sick, you watched her wither away, and
Speaker 2: I just don't know how I'm going to ever handle
Speaker 2: this lolly. You know, So I did tell him that,
Speaker 2: is that what you mean?
Speaker 1: Well, yes, I think that it's healthy to confront an individual,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of things going here. You know.
Speaker 3: You have.
Speaker 1: One sister died who was an alcoholic.
Speaker 2: The other sister's alcoholic TiO.
Speaker 1: I know, but one sister that you knew about right, right? Okay?
Speaker 1: So she dies? Yes, So how come you didn't do
Speaker 1: anything you knew about it?
Speaker 2: I didn't know that she was alcoholic like that. As
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, of months ago when we found out,
Speaker 2: my daughter and I when after we visited my hospital,
Speaker 2: we didn't see each other too much because the relationship
Speaker 2: constantly strained, so I didn't have that grade of access
Speaker 2: to them physically. So my daughter and I went over
Speaker 2: there and we saw she was in horrible shape. The
Speaker 2: next day that we went over and got her well,
Speaker 2: we begged her to come. She wouldn't come, wouldn't come.
Speaker 2: The next day when we went to get the family
Speaker 2: for the doctor meeting to what shall we do life
Speaker 2: support Sarah? We met with the health of the police
Speaker 2: and the social workers there managed to get her into
Speaker 2: the er. They're saying to her, you're an adult, you
Speaker 2: know you don't have to do this. Before we got
Speaker 2: her in, so she lets the doctor physically examine her
Speaker 2: as far as checking she couldn't walk, checking her legs
Speaker 2: and things like that, but when it came to the tests,
Speaker 2: she refused all tests. I mean, I was on my
Speaker 2: knees begging her. She signed her form saying that she
Speaker 2: refused the test. Okay. So thereafter, for the next month,
Speaker 2: everybody else is trying to get her in. She fights
Speaker 2: the day she goes into the hospital. She fought, physically fought,
Speaker 2: punching the paramedics.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So she was refusing all help.
Speaker 1: And what you don't think that the other sister was the.
Speaker 2: Same, Well, the other sister is you know, I know
Speaker 2: she's drinking, you know, and she knows that everyone knows.
Speaker 2: And she's staying with some friend of the dad now
Speaker 2: who's taken care of her. You know, we're doing our
Speaker 2: best with her, trying to get buried in the meantime,
Speaker 2: and that's been postponed because the medical examiner now has
Speaker 2: her down at the corner's office and we had a
Speaker 2: postpone or burial which was supposed to be yesterday.
Speaker 1: Okay. So that there's a lot of details that are
Speaker 1: you know, hard to consume and this span of time
Speaker 1: that we have, but I will tell you this that
Speaker 1: the only way for you to assume that this man
Speaker 1: wanted his wife to die, that's the only other option.
Speaker 1: Do you really think that that's what he wanted? No, okay,
Speaker 1: of course not so so. Honestly, what you have here
Speaker 1: is an incredibly frustrating situation all the way around, and
Speaker 1: that when someone loves someone else, oftentimes they let them
Speaker 1: do all kinds of horrible things themselves. Sometimes it's you know,
Speaker 1: eating disorders or things because they don't know know how
Speaker 1: to process it and know what to do, and they
Speaker 1: are being lied to themselves by their partner, and they're
Speaker 1: lying to themselves as well, thinking well, it'll go away
Speaker 1: or it'll be fine, and nobody assumes it's going to
Speaker 1: be as bad as it is until it is, sadly terry,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what it comes down to. And
Speaker 1: I understand your anger. I'm glad that you called, but
Speaker 1: there's also you know, you played a part in this
Speaker 1: as well, and there's some things that you can do
Speaker 1: and there's some things that you can't do. And they
Speaker 1: are adults, and you're trying to do everything you can.
Speaker 1: I would say to continue to talk with him to
Speaker 1: work through this, but you can't blame him. Yes, is
Speaker 1: there some of that burden that's on him, absolutely, But
Speaker 1: really you've seen how people that want to do what
Speaker 1: they want to do when they want to do it,
Speaker 1: will push and kick and do whatever, lie cheat steel
Speaker 1: to allow themselves to do it. And that's hard for
Speaker 1: any one other person to be able to battle with.
Speaker 1: And although you're looking at it from a different perspective,
Speaker 1: now have some compassion that this person lost a loved
Speaker 1: one as well. Steve, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1: Thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. How can
Speaker 1: I help you?
Speaker 3: My wife and I have a very dear friend and
Speaker 3: the church she goes to they're obsessed with the end
Speaker 3: of times and the rapture, oh boy. And she comes
Speaker 3: over and tells us what the sermon was, and she's worried.
Speaker 3: She's constantly just wringing her hands and worried to the
Speaker 3: point of being physically sick about the end of times
Speaker 3: and the rature. And I've always told her, if you
Speaker 3: truly believe we're living in the end of times and
Speaker 3: the raptures at hand, you should be rejoicing and not
Speaker 3: worrying about it, and not worrying about whether you're saved.
Speaker 3: If you believe in your heart you're saved, that you're saved.
Speaker 3: And I was just wondering if I giving her the
Speaker 3: right advice.
Speaker 1: The people that worry about the rapture are the ones
Speaker 1: that aren't sure as to where they're going or who
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: There's obviously discussion in the church as to what the
Speaker 1: rapture is and how it will take place, or if
Speaker 1: it will take place. There are differing views in the
Speaker 1: Body of Christ. Having said that, it's the equivalent or
Speaker 1: should be the equivalent to a Christian of worrying about
Speaker 1: getting your paycheck on Friday. Oh my paycheck's coming. Payday
Speaker 1: is coming on Friday. Oh my gosh, I'm so worried.
Speaker 1: Why are you worried about getting a paycheck? If this
Speaker 1: is the graduation of a Christian, is that if this
Speaker 1: is finally being with God in a relationship like never before,
Speaker 1: there shouldn't be a worry. And kind of the attitude
Speaker 1: is if you live every day like it's your last
Speaker 1: day on earth, glorifying God, then yes, one day you'll
Speaker 1: be right. But I'm not sure. This whole obsession with
Speaker 1: the end times and you know, people trying to figure
Speaker 1: out when it is and all of this when Scripture
Speaker 1: is very clear no man shall know the day nor
Speaker 1: the hour, but merely the season. And all these things
Speaker 1: I don't understand, and any church that focus on it
Speaker 1: makes me a little nervous as well.
Speaker 3: I've told her that, I've told her you read her
Speaker 3: the scripture. I got the Bible out and showed it
Speaker 3: to her where it said no man will know, you know,
Speaker 3: only the Lord knows. And she still is is adamant
Speaker 3: that this preacher has some way of knowing that the
Speaker 3: end is at hand and it could happen right now.
Speaker 3: And it says in the Bible, you know, nobody knows
Speaker 3: it could happen right now. But as a Christian and
Speaker 3: a believer, I believe that if you truly believe the
Speaker 3: end is at hand, then you should be rejoicing and
Speaker 3: not wringing your hands and worried and worrying yourself sick
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be attentive so that you continue
Speaker 1: to preach God's word and make sure that others are
Speaker 1: coming into the flock. Yeah, but you should be doing
Speaker 1: that every single day. That the concept of changing your
Speaker 1: tone because God is coming is really like having a
Speaker 1: filthy house all year round and then cleaning it up
Speaker 1: before company shows up. It may work with a company,
Speaker 1: but God sees all there is no difference. And if
Speaker 1: you're living that life twenty four to seven now, then
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. But this is becoming a fad.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, Steve. I bet you if
Speaker 1: you go back and you do a little studying about
Speaker 1: this preacher at the church that she goes to, I
Speaker 1: bet you'll find out that he's made claims about the
Speaker 1: end times before, maybe even giving a date before, and
Speaker 1: it was wrong. How about this for statistics, And we
Speaker 1: don't really throw around statistics on the program, but how
Speaker 1: about this. Every single person who has claimed that the
Speaker 1: earth was coming to an end up until this point,
Speaker 1: this moment right now, has been wrong, every single one
Speaker 1: of them. Every preacher, every teacher, every minister that has said, well,
Speaker 1: I know the date has been wrong, And there's some
Speaker 1: fascinates me. There are some that have done it before
Speaker 1: and been wrong and said, oh well I know what
Speaker 1: it is now. I've gone back and I've checked my mauth.
Speaker 1: All this stuff garbage and ultimately doesn't even matter, because
Speaker 1: if you live your life every day as if I'm
Speaker 1: coming back, then you're fine. But scripture is very clear
Speaker 1: that no one shall know the day, nor the hour,
Speaker 1: and if you're constantly focusing on the end, you won't
Speaker 1: see the present, you won't see what's going on right now,
Speaker 1: and you miss it. The term eschatology, the theological term eschatology,
Speaker 1: means the study of last things. So my advice to
Speaker 1: you study them last. Lee, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5: Good morning Jesus.
Speaker 1: Hi, how can I help you? Lee?
Speaker 5: Okay, So I've been a Christian since I was a
Speaker 5: little kid, and when I was about ten, that was
Speaker 5: when I had, you know, my eye opening moment because
Speaker 5: of a pastor I had, you know, he told the
Speaker 5: story and it really stuck with me. And you know,
Speaker 5: back then, I was, you know, I was really hyper
Speaker 5: about you know, being a Christian all that stuff, and
Speaker 5: I was always asking questions and I was, you know,
Speaker 5: reading stuff. And back then I had two deacons that
Speaker 5: were looking at me and they're like, oh, yeah, you're
Speaker 5: probably gonna be a pastor when you grow up. And
Speaker 5: then a lot of stuff happened and I stopped going
Speaker 5: to church and stuff like that. When I started going
Speaker 5: back to church again when I was about twenty, I'm
Speaker 5: twenty four now and I've still been going to church.
Speaker 5: But right now, I'm working for a security Well, I'm
Speaker 5: just working.
Speaker 1: I'll just say that, Okay, you got a job.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it takes up a lot of my time.
Speaker 5: And well, recently I met a person, Hello.
Speaker 1: Oh, did we lose Lee in the middle of his story?
Speaker 1: Of all things, We're going to try and get Lee
Speaker 1: back because I wanted to hear where he was going.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to callings or being led down
Speaker 1: a particular path on God speaking to you and you
Speaker 1: really feel like, Wow, this is what I'm designed to do,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is who I believe I am
Speaker 1: in Christ. When you're on that path and something takes
Speaker 1: you off that path, and it does happen at times,
Speaker 1: it can be life changing for the good or can
Speaker 1: be life changing for the bad. So I want to
Speaker 1: hear the rest of Lee's story if possible, If he
Speaker 1: can give us a call back, we'll get back to
Speaker 1: him and look into that. Because every I think it's
Speaker 1: every single program that somebody calls, or we'll get an
Speaker 1: email or something someone asking what they're calling is or
Speaker 1: what God will have them do. And obviously it's going
Speaker 1: to be different for each and every one of you.
Speaker 1: But following that path and embracing what your purpose is
Speaker 1: is a huge part of why we do this show
Speaker 1: and obviously of great importance. So stick around and we'll
Speaker 1: be right back. And Lee is back. Yay Lee. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Lee, you at the age of ten, had, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, felt felt felt a calling to become a
Speaker 1: Christian and then later on felt that you were going
Speaker 1: to be called maybe to the uh the pastoral studies
Speaker 1: and uh. And then you've had some back and forth
Speaker 1: with uh, with life as it tends to get in
Speaker 1: the way. Correct. Yes, okay, so you have a job now,
Speaker 1: but you're questioning whether you are called into ministry or not.
Speaker 5: Well, that's not really my question. I was still telling
Speaker 5: more of the story. I hadn't really felt the calling
Speaker 5: to be a pastor, so say, I just you know,
Speaker 5: people had told me that when I was younger. But
Speaker 5: as I was saying, I had just met someone a
Speaker 5: very devout Christian, the kind of Christian that makes me
Speaker 5: want to be even better Christian, and uh, well we
Speaker 5: were talking to each other for a while and uh,
Speaker 5: well then she just said she's like, you know, I
Speaker 5: feel that you're calling is really to be a pastor,
Speaker 5: and you know that kind of struck a note when
Speaker 5: she said that to me. But at the same time,
Speaker 5: at the job I am right now, I work all
Speaker 5: the time, Like I had to cover a shift today,
Speaker 5: so I'm actually at work today. So it's just I'm
Speaker 5: kind of confused because I when I got calling earlier
Speaker 5: in life, I didn't I misunderstood it as far as
Speaker 5: I understand. So I'm just I don't know. I'm a
Speaker 5: little confused right now.
Speaker 1: But you have you haven't felt this yourself. You just
Speaker 1: feel like others are coming up to you telling you
Speaker 1: that you're called to the past.
Speaker 5: I was told those two times when I was younger,
Speaker 5: and uh, and then now again with this uh, this
Speaker 5: friend of mine, and like I said, it kind of
Speaker 5: struck a note. And I'm just a little unsure about it.
Speaker 1: As all, Well, you should be attentive to others always,
Speaker 1: but God has your number two. It's not like he's
Speaker 1: got to call the person next to you and have them,
Speaker 1: you know, tell you something. It's a matter of And
Speaker 1: I've always found that fascinating that people will say, oh,
Speaker 1: well God told me this about you. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: he knows where I am too, right, But they they
Speaker 1: but sometimes God uses others to reinforce a message that
Speaker 1: he's been trying to tell you that you're ignoring, and
Speaker 1: so you have to be attentive to that. It's kind
Speaker 1: of an it's kind of the generic go to when
Speaker 1: people see gifts and abilities in a Christian it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're going to be a pastor Well maybe not so.
Speaker 1: I think that at this point you should most certainly
Speaker 1: be asking questions and investigating and doing your homework. I
Speaker 1: know you're busy, but you know that that could change
Speaker 1: and if if you're not. Maybe it's not as specific
Speaker 1: as that, it's like, well, you know you're going to
Speaker 1: be a part of a church or something like that.
Speaker 1: There may be other things. Maybe you start out by
Speaker 1: just doing the studies and then start out by doing
Speaker 1: a teaching, you know, Bible study under the umbrella of
Speaker 1: a church or something like that. However, if you're set
Speaker 1: in what you're doing and you don't feel moved to
Speaker 1: do otherwise, then don't calling should be that you should
Speaker 1: feel it because it's a lot of work, and there
Speaker 1: will be times where you you're not going to be
Speaker 1: in the mood for it, and all of those things,
Speaker 1: and you've you've you've got to truly be called to
Speaker 1: it and feel it in your own person to make
Speaker 1: it happen, not just others around you. But it sounds
Speaker 1: like you know this. You know having this other person
Speaker 1: in your life is part of that path as well,
Speaker 1: and you know part of this continuing in your growth.
Speaker 1: But move on what you're moved on. Don't just move
Speaker 1: because someone says. To be attentive to it, but also
Speaker 1: be attentive to your own heart. Doug, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Jesus.
Speaker 1: Hi, what's point on?
Speaker 4: I have a thought about accountability and this is something
Speaker 4: that I've had personal experience with over the years of
Speaker 4: having accountability with a couple of guys. There's a process
Speaker 4: that I think is simple enough for everyone to use.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be complicated. And the way that
Speaker 4: it goes is that you find one or two brothers
Speaker 4: that you're very close to Christian brothers, and then you
Speaker 4: meet on a regular basis, maybe once a week, and
Speaker 4: then each person tells the other person what they would
Speaker 4: like to be held accountable to. The idea is, you know,
Speaker 4: search my heart, oh Lord, and then you find those
Speaker 4: things that you want to be held accountable to. If
Speaker 4: you put them out there and you say, I give
Speaker 4: you permission each week to ask me these five questions.
Speaker 4: They could be things like, you know, have you been
Speaker 4: looking at pornography you know, if that's the issue, Or
Speaker 4: have you been drinking this week if that's the issue.
Speaker 4: And so again it's permission based, and then the one
Speaker 4: that's being asked the question would say yes or no.
Speaker 4: If they say yes, and you know, hooray for you.
Speaker 4: And if no, then they don't beat them up. But
Speaker 4: what they do is they encourage them, They pray with
Speaker 4: them to help them through that, and then this process
Speaker 4: continues each week until habits are formed, things are changed
Speaker 4: in their life, and they have that growth that you
Speaker 4: talk about. I think of it in terms of the
Speaker 4: difference between the Three Musketeers and the Three Stooges. Three
Speaker 4: Musketeers are they all for one and one for all,
Speaker 4: whereas the three Stooges would be you know, they're beating
Speaker 4: each other up. So you want to take the three
Speaker 4: Musketeers approach, where you're supporting and loving each other through
Speaker 4: each of these areas of accountability.
Speaker 1: Most certainly, and that is absolutely biblical. The Bible is
Speaker 1: very clear that you are to go to one another,
Speaker 1: to be accountable to one another, and even judge at times. However,
Speaker 1: to do it in love and guidance and kindness, rather
Speaker 1: than you know you're missing this and beating them up
Speaker 1: s lutely and Proverbs twenty seven seventeen reiterates that that
Speaker 1: iron sharpens iron like a man to another man. And
Speaker 1: when you're accountable, when it's out there, they say this
Speaker 1: with everything. If you're losing weight, you've got to tell
Speaker 1: people you're losing weight, because now you're accountable for those actions.
Speaker 1: If you're having a drink, make sure that it's known.
Speaker 1: My producer Neil, in his household, he makes it known
Speaker 1: if he's going to have a drink, so that he's
Speaker 1: accountable for drinks. Doesn't have a drinking problem, but doesn't
Speaker 1: want one either, So by way of always making announcements
Speaker 1: when that's taking place, that it's very visible and therefore
Speaker 1: no one's drinking in secret ever or doing anything. And
Speaker 1: try and being accountable even prior to a problem is
Speaker 1: a good way. And when you're sitting around with one
Speaker 1: another and you're saying, you know, these are issues that
Speaker 1: I'm either fearful of, whether it be pornography or drinking
Speaker 1: or anything where somebody might it could be a major
Speaker 1: problem that you can do it if you've done it
Speaker 1: before and you want to stay clear of it, or
Speaker 1: if you just want to stay clear of it. Being
Speaker 1: accountable to one another is not doing things in secret.
Speaker 1: And my producer Neil has said a long time ago
Speaker 1: he likes to write, and one of the things that
Speaker 1: he wrote down was darkest is the evil that is
Speaker 1: hid from the eyes and the ears of a loved one.
Speaker 1: Because when you have people that you love and trust
Speaker 1: in life and you are hiding things from them, that
Speaker 1: that becomes dark and evil in the process, because really
Speaker 1: you're just trying to get away with things, and your
Speaker 1: family and those that you love around you should be
Speaker 1: the ones that tell you, hey, that's not good. And
Speaker 1: how sad is it when people you know dump friends
Speaker 1: because they're you know, the honest ones. And sadly you see,
Speaker 1: you know, famous, powerful people spiral out of control quite
Speaker 1: often because they end up surrounding themselves with people that
Speaker 1: will only say what they want to hear. Yes, man,
Speaker 1: only saying oh, well this is that, and they're afraid because
Speaker 1: their jobs are tied into it, or they like being
Speaker 1: associated with fame or whatever, and they'll only do that.
Speaker 1: If you really want to grow in life, you've got
Speaker 1: to surround yourself with people that in love will be
Speaker 1: honest with you and tell you like it is. And
Speaker 1: that's the only way that you'll have any sort of
Speaker 1: health whatsoever in your life. Pat, Welcome to the Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ show.
Speaker 6: Hie Jesus Hi, how.
Speaker 1: Can I help you? Pat my pleasure.
Speaker 6: I was wondering if of being slain in the spirit,
Speaker 6: if that biblical, and if it is, where do you
Speaker 6: find it in the Bible.
Speaker 1: There is no concept as far as you know, there's
Speaker 1: no straight translation of being slain in the spirit the
Speaker 1: way you might be envisioning it on television. You see
Speaker 1: TV ministers and things like that, traveling ministers that go
Speaker 1: around that could lay their hands on somebody and they
Speaker 1: fall down. There's not really an example of that. In
Speaker 1: Revelation One's seventeen, Ezekiel one twenty eight, Daniel eight seventeen,
Speaker 1: among other places, there are biblical examples of people being
Speaker 1: slain in the spirit or falling on their face because
Speaker 1: of something they've observed that was so intense, so supernatural
Speaker 1: that they were just could not control themselves and had
Speaker 1: to fall, but they always fall forward and onto their face.
Speaker 1: So it says in a way that almost like just
Speaker 1: the utmost of humility and reverence. So a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff that you see on TV of the waving
Speaker 1: of the arm and the person falling over does not
Speaker 1: correspond with biblical accounts in the Bible. It's very rare,
Speaker 1: incredibly rare that even it happens at all, and the
Speaker 1: way it happens is much different, and for the reasons
Speaker 1: it happens, it's much different. So that would lead one
Speaker 1: to believe that the things that you're seeing are counterfeits.
Speaker 1: It's just stuff kind of to you know, generate buzz.
Speaker 1: And it's sad that Christians feel the need of any denomination,
Speaker 1: feel the need to have to have that kind of
Speaker 1: you know, physical showmanship to make them believe or to
Speaker 1: get them excited about God. And that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: all our counterfeits or that all are fake. It just
Speaker 1: means that the Biblical accounts are not like the ones
Speaker 1: that you see on TV. And so the concept of
Speaker 1: being slain in the spirit and the you know, the
Speaker 1: stuff that people mock all the time, like the Jesus
Speaker 1: loves you. And then the person falling over type thing
Speaker 1: that's not in scripture, that's not anywhere in scripture. That's
Speaker 1: kind of a manufacture of you know, these kind of
Speaker 1: tent preachery look at the power. And to me, that
Speaker 1: always points to the fact that, hey, I don't have
Speaker 1: the words. In scripture, it says that God's word never
Speaker 1: goes out and comes back void, So I don't have
Speaker 1: the words to give you that will motivate you, which
Speaker 1: is wrong. So I'm going to do some theatrics and
Speaker 1: see if that gets you going. And it's a shame.
Speaker 1: It's a shame, and I think that it's a it's
Speaker 1: a disservice on the best of terms, and an outright
Speaker 1: a sin and a problem and a huge stumbling block
Speaker 1: in most contexts.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's good because I've always wondered because I've been
Speaker 6: prayed for and it seems like you get a shove.
Speaker 6: And then I thought, well, maybe because I don't fall down,
Speaker 6: I don't feel so I've always thought, well, maybe the
Speaker 6: prayers then being received for me because I'm not falling down.
Speaker 1: Well, no, there's there are They try and do that
Speaker 1: to kind of you know, accentuate the experience, and really
Speaker 1: you don't need to. I mean, there are some people
Speaker 1: that may you may feel overwhelmed sometime when you pray.
Speaker 1: That's not unheard of. There may be times where the
Speaker 1: spirit overcomes you and you'll weep. There's all kinds of
Speaker 1: ways that you may respond to the spirit. There may
Speaker 1: be times where you see something that is so conspiring
Speaker 1: it'll drop you to your knees. But this manufactured kind
Speaker 1: of well, I'm going to pray for you, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to push you and hope that you fall down
Speaker 1: so that it looks like God's here is silliness. It's
Speaker 1: just silliness. It doesn't help you, it doesn't help those
Speaker 1: watching because it becomes you know, some of that stuff
Speaker 1: looks absurd, and it's not that you should care about
Speaker 1: the way you look. And if God moves you to
Speaker 1: do something, to dance, to sing, to cry, to laugh
Speaker 1: or any of those things, you should go ahead and
Speaker 1: do it. But in the case where it's like this
Speaker 1: factory of God's spirit, well, look how many people I
Speaker 1: can drop today or that type of thing. I there's
Speaker 1: just no place in scripture where that can be found.
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's good to hear your voice. Pat you have a wonderful,
Speaker 1: wonderful day. There is a lot of theatrics that seem
Speaker 1: to go with with the church, and it's unfortunate. Now
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about certain parts of ceremony and things
Speaker 1: like that. I'm talking about the branches of the church,
Speaker 1: the health and wealth doctrine that everybody's going to be healthy, happy,
Speaker 1: and rich, and all these things that really cloud and
Speaker 1: pollute the gospel. Now, do I think people should be
Speaker 1: creative in the way they explain scripture or the gospel?
Speaker 1: Do I think that you can have good music in
Speaker 1: the church or music that appeals to a wide range
Speaker 1: of ages and tastes. Yep. Do I believe that the
Speaker 1: church should be creative and in sharing the gospel. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: the show wouldn't exist if I didn't believe that. But
Speaker 1: do people take it too far sometimes or try and
Speaker 1: it's almost like somebody arguing that there's a God and
Speaker 1: trying to make up a miracle so that you'll believe.
Speaker 1: It just seems wrong, Oh well, one time, and people
Speaker 1: will share their experiences and they embellish them or they
Speaker 1: make them more grandiose, and all these things It's like, really,
Speaker 1: does God need that much help? Do you have to
Speaker 1: kind of you pass all those things along so that
Speaker 1: people will believe god experience is real. It just seems wrong,
Speaker 1: to say the least, and incredibly damaging to the gospel.
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