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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bledsoe said, so episode one, we have a
Speaker 1: wonderful guest. This is my friend. We go way back,
Speaker 1: and some have even considered us brothers from other mothers.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? In the plural, we have the wonderful,
Speaker 1: the powerful, the wise Hakim Isler. But before we open
Speaker 1: up this fantastic conversation, I got to talk about an
Speaker 1: event that we have going on. It's from May second
Speaker 1: to May fourth in Delavan, Wisconsin. My dad and I
Speaker 1: and my wife and my sister will be at the
Speaker 1: Contact Modalities Conference. It is the it's probably like the
Speaker 1: most poppin' consciousness expo in the Midwest. It's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be an amazing venue with these three different conference rooms running,
Speaker 1: with all of these amazing guests that are doing things
Speaker 1: such as chigong gong baths, different avenues of making contact
Speaker 1: with other things from beyond Shuman's you name it, psychic mediums, yoga,
Speaker 1: anything you can think of in the consciousness field, you
Speaker 1: bet it's gonna be there. There's gonna be templar knights,
Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy, amazing mystical stuff. On Friday night
Speaker 1: there is going to be a SkyWatch hosted by my dad,
Speaker 1: and Saturday there's gonna be a cocktail party with a
Speaker 1: DJ and all kinds of just amazing presentations going on
Speaker 1: throughout the weekend. And on Sunday there's going to be
Speaker 1: a live panel with my dad being interviewed on stage
Speaker 1: by Jimmy Church for everybody to watch live. So check
Speaker 1: it out. I hope to see you guys there. Just
Speaker 1: grab your tickets at Contact Modalities xpo dot com. So
Speaker 1: with that being said, Hakeen, I love you, brother. I'm
Speaker 1: excited that we finally worked this out. How are you
Speaker 1: doing tonight?
Speaker 2: Hey, man, I'm doing good. That in one note on
Speaker 2: what you just said. You don't know this yet because
Speaker 2: I'm a ninja and that's the way things work. But
Speaker 2: I'll be there too, I'll be really yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was just that literally was just solidifying like two days ago.
Speaker 1: So amazing, more reason for everybody to go. That's so awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm stoked, yeah, or I'm stoked. That's awesome. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is stope, but that's I'm stoked. So, I mean, we
Speaker 1: we've got a lot that we can talk about tonight, man,
Speaker 1: you are a man that wears many hats, some of
Speaker 1: them are invisible. One might say, if we're referring to
Speaker 1: the art ni jitsu, which, as I understand, you are
Speaker 1: someone who has been practicing this art for what twenty
Speaker 1: five years?
Speaker 2: Yes, twenty five years?
Speaker 1: I would love to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and ask me any question you got, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'll answer it and then you know, if it's not
Speaker 2: too crazy, you'll you'll probably live through it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, now, how do you find yourself getting into ninjitsu?
Speaker 3: It's funny because Ryan and I are both like completely
Speaker 3: independently also fascinated with ni jitsu just because ninjas are sick. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but like, how do you find yourself getting into niu jitsu?
Speaker 1: I have to know?
Speaker 2: Yes, So, like many things in my life, this was
Speaker 2: kind of one of those things that were that seemed
Speaker 2: like it was meant to be. And what I mean
Speaker 2: by that is that in my twenties I had a
Speaker 2: friend or actually was my just I was dressed on
Speaker 2: a cuff about the turn twenty a friend of mine
Speaker 2: and murdered somebody, really close friend, and it shook me
Speaker 2: to the core because we were so close that it
Speaker 2: kind of made me feel like, if he could do that,
Speaker 2: then am I going to be in this bad situation
Speaker 2: where I have to make a choice like that one day?
Speaker 2: And so I was like, I got to get out
Speaker 2: of here, I got to do something. I got to
Speaker 2: grow my life in a different way. And I was
Speaker 2: I knew I was good at martial arts. I had
Speaker 2: been doing martial arts since I was eight years old,
Speaker 2: so it was several years by that point. It was
Speaker 2: probably like eleven years by then. And I had done music.
Speaker 2: I'd make music dj. I would DJ at these night clubs,
Speaker 2: and I also was a lyricist. So I was like,
Speaker 2: I could do music anywhere, but what martial arts do
Speaker 2: I want to actually commit to? And I was really
Speaker 2: into this idea of Bruce Lee where everything, you know,
Speaker 2: practice everything takes a little bit away from all these
Speaker 2: different things. And so I was really going down that path.
Speaker 2: And I have the friend I bumped into and I
Speaker 2: was telling him about what was going on with me,
Speaker 2: and I told him about this dream and then this
Speaker 2: dream I kept fighting a shadowy figure because he was
Speaker 2: like a dream guy, you know. And he was like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe it's like the ninja, you know, And I was
Speaker 2: like Ninja and he was like yeah. He was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, like the cartoons. He was like yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's like a real thing, you know, this guy.
Speaker 2: And he tells me about this stuff. And I go
Speaker 2: to the library the next day because you know, you
Speaker 2: didn't have internet to really look at a bunch of
Speaker 2: stuff up. And I found my teacher. He only had
Speaker 2: one book there. I found this book, The Ninja in
Speaker 2: Their Secret Fighting Art. And I read that book and
Speaker 2: it was everything that I was looking for. You know,
Speaker 2: these these these esoteric, very you know, very enlightened and
Speaker 2: very amazing warriors that were living in the wilderness of Japan,
Speaker 2: who had all of these different skills and who could
Speaker 2: do all these magnificent things. And I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: I didn't even notice was a thing. And so I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to go out there and check
Speaker 2: this out. So I told my mom I was gonna
Speaker 2: go to Ohio and visit this martial art school. I wrote.
Speaker 2: I wrote him first. It took him about two months
Speaker 2: he wrote me back. I mean, Snell melt Oh, you
Speaker 2: had to send a.
Speaker 1: Letter back there.
Speaker 2: And he wrote me back and he was telling me
Speaker 2: about his journey and that he thought my journey was
Speaker 2: kind of aligned, and so I went out there for
Speaker 2: two weeks, I met him. I was like, this is
Speaker 2: where I need to be. And I came back told
Speaker 2: my mom I was gonna move there, and she was like, you,
Speaker 2: you know, you're only like twenty and you don't have
Speaker 2: any friends or family or anybody out there over twenty
Speaker 2: one at the time, and so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna do it. And so I
Speaker 2: just saved up twelve hundred dollars and it took and there.
Speaker 2: It took me a year for to save about twelve
Speaker 2: hundred dollars and then and I held on to that
Speaker 2: that dream that whole time, and I moved to this
Speaker 2: this ghetto, roach infested apartment uh and in the ghetto
Speaker 2: of Dayton, and I lived there and I trained with
Speaker 2: my teacher in the suburbs. And every little bit of
Speaker 2: money that I had that didn't go to my three
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month rent, well it was only because
Speaker 2: you had to. You had to share the rent with
Speaker 2: all little roaches. So so that's how we were able
Speaker 2: to keep it lovely. So yeah, I ended up moving there,
Speaker 2: and that's how it happened. So when I came Here's
Speaker 2: an interesting story. When I came home and I told
Speaker 2: my mom that I was going to move to Ohio,
Speaker 2: that I was going to be a ninja, she just
Speaker 2: like and shot looked at me and she said, you knew,
Speaker 2: And I said, I knew what she was like when
Speaker 2: you were nine you were playing and me and me
Speaker 2: and your aunt were talking and we looked at you
Speaker 2: and we said, m what do you want to be
Speaker 2: when you grew up? And I said, I stood up,
Speaker 2: stuck my chest out, she said, and I said, I
Speaker 2: want to be a ninja? What And she was like,
Speaker 2: she was like, at the time, we didn't think there
Speaker 2: was such a thing other than cartoons, and so we
Speaker 2: were like, oh, that's really cute. We don't want to
Speaker 2: shoot down his dreams and tell him that this isn't
Speaker 2: a real thing like Santa Claus, you know, And so
Speaker 2: they were like they were like, yeah, okay, And she
Speaker 2: held on to that. And then when I came back
Speaker 2: and told her at twenty one that I was going
Speaker 2: to go and move and be with this ninja guy,
Speaker 2: she was just like, what the hell Like same and
Speaker 2: now here we are, twenty five years later, I'm still
Speaker 2: training with them, and even and recently I got my
Speaker 2: six degree blackmailed about two years ago, and I'm one
Speaker 2: of five people who are still active that are training
Speaker 2: under him on his wallfall at his dojo. So when
Speaker 2: I got promoted at his home and his home dojo
Speaker 2: and with about twenty other or about sixteen other and
Speaker 2: he I was allowed to we call it the wall
Speaker 2: of intention. I was allowed to take my photo and
Speaker 2: my stick and move it to six degree. So it's
Speaker 2: like a nine year old who says I want to
Speaker 2: be a ninja to a twenty one year old who's
Speaker 2: gonna do this crazy thing like save up twelve hundred
Speaker 2: dollars and move somewhere up to train in a ninja system,
Speaker 2: leaving everything behind to a forty something year old forty
Speaker 2: at the time. I'm six, i believe, or no forty
Speaker 2: five at the time. Going being in his house, pulling
Speaker 2: my tab off the wall and moving it to six degree,
Speaker 2: it was like insane. It was insane realization. It was
Speaker 2: super surreal, a serious dedication.
Speaker 3: It has to be mind blowing and the bravery to
Speaker 3: go there at like such a young age and just
Speaker 3: be like twenty one years old, I'm moving to Ohio
Speaker 3: to be a ninja. Like the bravery of that is
Speaker 3: like intense and like this the dedic like that's really
Speaker 3: commendable and awesome.
Speaker 1: That's what ninjas do. Like when you watch ninja movies
Speaker 1: ninja cartoons, does you anime? Like, that's what they do.
Speaker 1: They go on the pilgrimage across the world, across the country, whatever,
Speaker 1: and they train under some master that probably a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know about what is like
Speaker 1: some legendary lineage which you know, I know that you're
Speaker 1: involved with that, not only woul Ninjasu. But please correct
Speaker 1: me if I get this wrong. But is it pinchok
Speaker 1: salt well sea lot?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And is the science of sea lot? So okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's you know, you call it pinchocks a lot
Speaker 2: or you just call it sea lot. But yes, you're right.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So seat means the lightning and it's actually a
Speaker 2: Malaysian Indonesian you know, martial arts system. And so the
Speaker 2: Malay culture actually at one point they called it the
Speaker 2: Malay Archipelago. And it was like all these islands that
Speaker 2: made up in all these different land masses that were
Speaker 2: one land mask and they made up you know, this
Speaker 2: Malay Archipela Gum and so, and Indonesia was one of them.
Speaker 2: Borneo is one of the Philippines. All of these were together.
Speaker 2: And Sea Lot is a martial arts system of that land,
Speaker 2: which is which was very You have different versions of
Speaker 2: it based on where what region you're coming from, almost
Speaker 2: like kung fu, you know, and so you know, but
Speaker 2: it was for you know, the Malay people. And now
Speaker 2: it's you know, because the land, the water rows and
Speaker 2: the lands have separated. You know, you have Indonesian Sea
Speaker 2: Lot and you know Borneo Sea Lot and you know,
Speaker 2: and Malaysia Sea Lot. So yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So it seems to me pretty clear. But
Speaker 1: obviously I I want to hear it from you yourself.
Speaker 1: But like, would you say that your journey into ninjitsu
Speaker 1: from such a young age was the foundation for your
Speaker 1: very consciousness focused spiritual approach that you take to things,
Speaker 1: because we're going to get a more of this later.
Speaker 1: You're obviously very embedded in remote viewing culture mindsight. Obviously
Speaker 1: with Monroe, we haven't talked about this yet, but you
Speaker 1: and I were at Monroe together. If people go back
Speaker 1: and listen to my original episodes recounting my Gateway experience,
Speaker 1: I referenced Hakim several times we.
Speaker 2: Were there together.
Speaker 1: You're very You're like, you really are a ninja man.
Speaker 1: You're you're you're planted in so many of these different
Speaker 1: spaces and it's like crazy how much stuff you're really
Speaker 1: involved in. Anyway, So back to my question, would you
Speaker 1: say that ni jitsu was like the foundation for this
Speaker 1: approach to life for you?
Speaker 2: I think ninjitsu was the clarity that came for a foundation.
Speaker 2: So I had already always been very outside of the
Speaker 2: box thinking, which is one which is my element, which
Speaker 2: is the way I kind of operate. And I already
Speaker 2: had psychic abilities, even though I didn't call them that,
Speaker 2: and I would just know things, and you know, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, that's cool, and then something would happen,
Speaker 2: it would confirm it, like for instance, when I was
Speaker 2: nine years old. Also remember I told my mom at
Speaker 2: nine I was going to be a ninja. Also at nine,
Speaker 2: I had a dream that where I dreamt the lot
Speaker 2: of the lottery ticket the numbers, and my mom played it.
Speaker 2: She was playing the lottery and I woke up the
Speaker 2: next day I told her I said, hey, I dreamt
Speaker 2: these numbers. She said, oh okay, she played them locally
Speaker 2: and not nationally. They came out nationally, which was a
Speaker 2: bigger pot, but they didn't come out locally, so we
Speaker 2: didn't win anything. But it was you know, I wish
Speaker 2: I had gotten that detail in a dream, like, hey,
Speaker 2: here's the numbers. Make sure you play it nationally. But
Speaker 2: I think I think it was just when I look
Speaker 2: back at it now, you know, all these years later,
Speaker 2: I think it was one of it was just the
Speaker 2: universe giving me confirmation that hey, you got a gift. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it will can continue to show itself until you're
Speaker 2: ready to really dive into it and really practice it,
Speaker 2: which is part of the reason when we get to
Speaker 2: the sy Games talking about that, that's it, like kids
Speaker 2: are having these experiences, but because there's no mentorship that
Speaker 2: you know, going on about these things to young people,
Speaker 2: and you know, it just kind of gets lost. And
Speaker 2: then at some point they become adults like us, and
Speaker 2: then we remember and we say, oh shit, you know, like,
Speaker 2: let me go back to I want to explore this more.
Speaker 2: And then you go back and start exploring it and
Speaker 2: you're like, man, it feels so familiar to me, and
Speaker 2: it's because and then you have awakening. You know, you've
Speaker 2: talked to so many people I'm sure who've had that
Speaker 2: same experience where they were young and they had these
Speaker 2: experiences and kind of let them go because it wasn't
Speaker 2: really supported by our culture, and then they come back
Speaker 2: to it as adults when they're free to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you hit the nail on the head. There
Speaker 1: have been thousands of people this point who have come
Speaker 1: to us, whether it's going on a body, whether it's
Speaker 1: remote viewing, whatever, some spontaneous psychic thing happens. And it's
Speaker 1: like oftentimes when people are brave enough to talk about this,
Speaker 1: they're met with ridicule, with shame, with ostracizing, And I
Speaker 1: think it's awesome what you're doing. So I definitely want
Speaker 1: to pave the road for these side games conversations. So like,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know more about your background in this
Speaker 1: field and then we can really hammer out with the
Speaker 1: side games. So you become a ninja when you're early twenties,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I'm curious when your official interest in
Speaker 1: psychic abilities began officially.
Speaker 2: So that can came much later, you know, in nijitsu.
Speaker 2: I did a lot of meditation with my teacher, and
Speaker 2: you know, the ninja have these nine abilities and remote
Speaker 2: viewing and mindsight or intuition. They're they're part of the nine, right,
Speaker 2: And so I knew about them. I've researched, but I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're telling man, I was a lot
Speaker 2: more physical. I was more about, like, you know, this
Speaker 2: is cool that we can do this kind of wizard stuff,
Speaker 2: but I really just need to kick something in the balls,
Speaker 2: you know. Like so so that was like really, you know,
Speaker 2: that was that was more of my forte. Even though
Speaker 2: I was still like a very you know, calm and
Speaker 2: you know, a good natured person, I still like, I
Speaker 2: like that rough, tough stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, wizard, I want to beat the out of something.
Speaker 1: That's definitely something a younger person with less life experience
Speaker 1: would Yeah, sure, that's what I would have been the
Speaker 1: same way, you know. Like and actually, funnily enough, Hakeeen
Speaker 1: knows my my my seafood no longer train anymore, but
Speaker 1: he actually he knew him and we talked about that
Speaker 1: one time. But like, I had trained kung fu for
Speaker 1: a while and that was totally me like I want
Speaker 1: to learn to fight. I didn't even believe in all
Speaker 1: the chi and all that kind of stuff. I knew
Speaker 1: there was beings going on and all that, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't like as tapped in as you were at the time.
Speaker 1: So hearing your martial arts journey is so cool knowing
Speaker 1: you know where you are today and all this just
Speaker 1: I say this lovingly, all this crazy stuff you're involved in,
Speaker 1: right yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, because our and this is my theory. I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is real, but it sounds it
Speaker 2: feels really real to me, and when I see it,
Speaker 2: because I still have these schools. We are multi dimensional beings,
Speaker 2: but we live those multi dimensions through different phases of
Speaker 2: our lives because the way our society is set up
Speaker 2: now is set up really segregated, and the way we
Speaker 2: see ourselves as multidimensional beings. Right, And so what ends
Speaker 2: up happening is that when you're young, it's all about
Speaker 2: the physical because that feels like and people support that.
Speaker 2: Play football, play basketball, go hit something, go outside, do this,
Speaker 2: you know, the rough and tumble, and so get into
Speaker 2: that space. And then when we start to get in
Speaker 2: our middle mid mid age, like maybe thirty thirty five,
Speaker 2: we started settling down a little bit, and you started
Speaker 2: saying to yourself, Oh, like, what is it like for
Speaker 2: me to not just be in a gross plane but
Speaker 2: be in this kind of subtle plane where I'm feeling
Speaker 2: love and I'm feeling gratitude and I'm starting a family
Speaker 2: and I'm doing all of these things. And then you
Speaker 2: get past that and you start getting really spiritual, because
Speaker 2: you know, you start saying, well, what is it like
Speaker 2: when I pass on? What's that going to be like?
Speaker 2: And how do I give back to the generations behind me?
Speaker 2: Where if you look at and what from what I
Speaker 2: understand my personal research into ancient cultures, all that was
Speaker 2: one you were spiritual. You were physical, but also spiritual
Speaker 2: because you had the elders teaching you. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, the youth who came who are coming into
Speaker 2: the world was raised primarily by the elders who were
Speaker 2: leaving the world. And in between you had the parents
Speaker 2: who had to keep everything going. So you had the moms,
Speaker 2: you know, doing you know, making clothing and doing things,
Speaker 2: and you had the dad's going out hunting, and and
Speaker 2: then you had the young so the young ones were
Speaker 2: learning all of the spiritual and all of the you know,
Speaker 2: all that stuff from them, and then they were hanging
Speaker 2: out with their parents and also learning the physical, so
Speaker 2: there wasn't this separation. But we have the luxury in
Speaker 2: our times now to have that sex separation because we
Speaker 2: could be you know, we could just afford to go
Speaker 2: to school and hang out with other kids our age, right.
Speaker 2: But in the old day, we were all hanging out
Speaker 2: with the elders. The elders were telling us the secrets.
Speaker 2: They were passing that on. It was and it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be unbelievable because we had just come out of the
Speaker 2: spirit realm into our bodies. So now listening to this
Speaker 2: person say oh yeah, now that you're here in this
Speaker 2: physical body, Listen to this plant, tell you what it
Speaker 2: you know, whether or not you can eat it. Listen
Speaker 2: to the animals and how they sound. Listen to the
Speaker 2: wind tell you that the rain is coming, you know, like,
Speaker 2: and kids would just be eating it up and then
Speaker 2: they would become adults and they would support that and
Speaker 2: their children because that was the way the culture, that
Speaker 2: was the way the tribe survived. But then here we
Speaker 2: are in this very materialistic environment and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: we add lip service to what spirituality it is supposed
Speaker 2: to be, which is kind of dulled out, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: onto an entity or being that has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with you or totally separate from you, but gives you
Speaker 2: things you know, but not a part of you. And
Speaker 2: some people might say it is a part of you,
Speaker 2: but they don't believe it, you know, they don't believe
Speaker 2: it really deep down inside. And so I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like there are these three phases that we have
Speaker 2: now in our multidimensionality that have broken up and separate
Speaker 2: or really where trinity we should all be. All those
Speaker 2: things should be with us the whole time through and
Speaker 2: should be supported by my communities, you know, whether it
Speaker 2: be our family community or greater community, and you know
Speaker 2: that should be supported. And I think that's what's really good.
Speaker 2: The same anyway, I went off wag tangent.
Speaker 1: No, No, that's really cool, that's really cool.
Speaker 4: It's like like we kind of as as people lost
Speaker 4: the necessity to rely on that kind of stuff because
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, I don't need to listen to the
Speaker 4: wind for when the rain is coming, because I have
Speaker 4: an app on my phone that tells.
Speaker 3: You when the rain is coming, or you know, any
Speaker 3: number of things, like communicating with nature. It's like we
Speaker 3: have things that do that for us now, and so
Speaker 3: we are losing that spiritual connection and the tradition of
Speaker 3: like teaching and passing along that spiritual connection. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: like the practices that you're involved in are are kind
Speaker 3: of trying to preserve that sort of stuff. Like that's
Speaker 3: really sick. I think that's I think that's super cool.
Speaker 3: And like the marriage of the physical and the spiritual,
Speaker 3: like to remind us why the physical and spiritual are
Speaker 3: are hand in hand. I think that's really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's amazing, and I think that like you're
Speaker 1: very wise man, and you don't need to hear that
Speaker 1: from me, but it's just what I feel for me,
Speaker 1: you know, like just all of what you're saying, it
Speaker 1: just totally hits home. And this is gonna sound silly,
Speaker 1: but I promise I'm being for real. Like, do you
Speaker 1: remember the original live action Ninja Turtles movie. I know
Speaker 1: you were probably like I don't know how old you
Speaker 1: were when that came out. I was a young kid,
Speaker 1: so it was like right on the you know, it
Speaker 1: hit home for me. I love all that cartoon stuff.
Speaker 1: But in the original live action Ninja Turtles movie, at
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, and I remember their ninja
Speaker 1: right at the end of the movie, they get together
Speaker 1: and they meditate because their masters like kept in captivity,
Speaker 1: they meditate and they actually travel and they leave their
Speaker 1: body and they all communicate and spirit with their master.
Speaker 1: And a part of me is like, dang, dude, is
Speaker 1: this really like a real part of ninja culture? That's
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, there's something too that
Speaker 1: the people making this movie, even though it's a silly franchise,
Speaker 1: like it's about the way of the Ninja, you know,
Speaker 1: it's got it's real. Yeah, you know, yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: And there's other cartoon ninja stuff that's like shows them
Speaker 3: doing like you know, like power blasts.
Speaker 1: And all that.
Speaker 3: But I think I think that's kind of like a
Speaker 3: poetic depiction of the real thing, which is more subtle.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was gonna say. It's more subtle,
Speaker 1: but it is still very very powerful and real.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if they're coming out of their bodies
Speaker 3: and communicating with each other in the astral realm, like,
Speaker 3: is that not magic enough for you? That's that's incredible.
Speaker 3: That's like real deep magical stuff. That's some cool ninja shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. And I know for a fact
Speaker 1: that Hakeen is involved in a lot of this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. So we're gonna get a little bit more
Speaker 1: into some of that stuff. But before we move on,
Speaker 1: I just had this thought and I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: your permission for the listeners. Who you are in the
Speaker 1: Fable area, would you feel comfortable plugging your your schools
Speaker 1: just in case there were people out there who were
Speaker 1: Is it open entry or yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a school in Faydeville, downtown Fayeville called
Speaker 2: Alevo Dynamics E L. E v O and Dynamics, and
Speaker 2: you can find me online. But also I have one
Speaker 2: in Southern Pines and so we have you know, we
Speaker 2: have two locations. The one in Fayaville though, also has
Speaker 2: a twenty four hour gym, so if you're not looking
Speaker 2: for martial arts, you can get a twenty four hour
Speaker 2: gym membership and come there and use our gym. It's
Speaker 2: very nice. We have an after school program for kids
Speaker 2: as well, so I mean we do a lot there.
Speaker 2: You know, it's said I own the building the building
Speaker 2: is ten thousand square feet, we use about seven thousand
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: So very cool, dude, that's it. So moving on. This
Speaker 1: ninja talk is so awesome. I love nerding out over
Speaker 1: martial arts stuff. Thank you well.
Speaker 2: I wanted to answer you the question too, because you
Speaker 2: said this is a part of a ninja culture, and
Speaker 2: this was this this, this whole thing was the ninja away.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, the legend is, the story
Speaker 2: is that this guy, this summer guy who lost the
Speaker 2: battle and he fled because he was being chased. He
Speaker 2: fled up into the mountains. His name is Disk. He
Speaker 2: comes across this Buddhist monk, this Chinese refugee that was,
Speaker 2: you know, running from China and that was hiding out
Speaker 2: in the hills of Japan, and you know, and that
Speaker 2: guy said, hey, I'll teach you a way to be
Speaker 2: invisible where you don't have to use physicality as your
Speaker 2: only resource to be able to deal with people. And
Speaker 2: so he taught him about the elements, and he taught
Speaker 2: him a new way of thinking and being and that
Speaker 2: was kind of the birth of that first union, and
Speaker 2: then that built, and then the villages started, and so
Speaker 2: these people lived off the land, and they wanted to
Speaker 2: be enlightened, but they were counter. They were counter the
Speaker 2: culture at the time. If you can imagine the culture
Speaker 2: that wants to be the authoritarian and wants to create,
Speaker 2: you know, control everybody. And now you have these wild
Speaker 2: people living up in the mountains. You know that you
Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing, and you just hear that
Speaker 2: they can control nature and they work one with Nate.
Speaker 2: That's scary. Before there's somebody who's trying to you know,
Speaker 2: own the world basically, so they started to try to
Speaker 2: kill these folks, and so these folks had to come
Speaker 2: up with a way to defend themselves because they had
Speaker 2: a lot of different you know, you know, people who
Speaker 2: are on the rock and hiding out in these communities,
Speaker 2: these rowning and everything else. They put all their minds
Speaker 2: together and came up with a physical combative method of
Speaker 2: ni jitsu, which they which they used their knowledge of
Speaker 2: psychology and self and enlightenment as it means to help
Speaker 2: them understand how to influence people and use psychological warfare,
Speaker 2: which is why I went into the siop in the army.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, you just you should just blow
Speaker 1: my mind left and right, like I wish we lived
Speaker 1: in the same town, man, because I would be I
Speaker 1: would train under you. Ild you that one time a
Speaker 1: year or two ago, I was like, Man, I wish
Speaker 1: I lived near you, because I would, I would I
Speaker 1: would learn under you, you know. And that's so incredible, dude.
Speaker 1: But what's really mind blowing about what you just said
Speaker 1: is I've never heard this perspective. I've even read I've
Speaker 1: read one book on then just before, and it was
Speaker 1: a long time ago. But but what you're telling me
Speaker 1: is that the mental and spiritual arts came even before
Speaker 1: the physical.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was theirs, and that's what gave them
Speaker 2: their power. Then the Ninja weren't that they were the
Speaker 2: least equipped, less trained warrior when it came down to
Speaker 2: physical fighting the summer. I that's all they did. You
Speaker 2: were born into that culture of warfare and fighting and
Speaker 2: perfecting that. So the Ninja are like, dude, we just try.
Speaker 2: We we have to, you know, uh, raise families out
Speaker 2: here in the wilderness. This is a hard life. We
Speaker 2: gotta you know, grow food, we gotta find herbs and
Speaker 2: take care of ourselves. Like we don't. We don't get
Speaker 2: to just sit around and train to kill at people
Speaker 2: all day, you know, and so we have to be
Speaker 2: able to defend ourselves and deal with threats, and in
Speaker 2: this way that that isn't just physical. And because they
Speaker 2: were they were in the mountains, in these enlightened communities
Speaker 2: or these communities that were trying to be one with nature.
Speaker 2: They used that to their advantage. And that's what made
Speaker 2: them such a huge opponent, you know, because they were
Speaker 2: able to use that knowledge that they had along with
Speaker 2: their physical, you know, abilities to deal with this threat.
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, just like knowing you personally and then also
Speaker 1: finally getting to sit down and like probe your brain
Speaker 1: about Ninjasu. I have to say, man, you are a
Speaker 1: real ninja. And again I know you don't need to
Speaker 1: hear that from me, but you are a real ninja.
Speaker 1: What you guys don't know is that like Haakin is
Speaker 1: really an expert in so many things. He was on
Speaker 1: making it afraid.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what does that tell you? That's yes, a
Speaker 1: real like expert world class pushes his mind and body
Speaker 1: to the limits to perfect this this craft and this philosophy.
Speaker 1: And then now we can you know, maybe shift into
Speaker 1: some of the remote viewing, the mind sight all that stuff,
Speaker 1: So we can explore some of the more mental aspect.
Speaker 1: But like the more I talk to you, like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you are a real ninja.
Speaker 2: Yeah not well, well, ninja means one who endures, one
Speaker 2: who perseveres. It could also translate to one who is stealthy,
Speaker 2: and so people think stealth as in, you know, I
Speaker 2: put camel on and I'd hide out, and that that
Speaker 2: could be a version of invisibility or stealth. But the
Speaker 2: true nature of stealth, the way I was taught by
Speaker 2: my teacher, is the ability to stay invisible to the
Speaker 2: things that would not see you succeed because not everybody
Speaker 2: is going to have a physical fighting battle. Most of
Speaker 2: us are going to have mental battles, emotional battles, spiritual animals.
Speaker 2: Those can be brought on by other people, those can
Speaker 2: be brought on by our own selves, those can be
Speaker 2: brought on by situations. So they were clever in naming
Speaker 2: the ninja one who endures to put one who can
Speaker 2: put up with or who can persevere. Ninjitsu means the
Speaker 2: art of perseverance, the art of endurance. So the idea
Speaker 2: is like they weren't sure what you were going to
Speaker 2: have to deal with as an individual or as a collective.
Speaker 2: So the goal was like, hey, these are the methods
Speaker 2: that we study on how to deal with whatever the
Speaker 2: hell you're dealing with in your life and be able
Speaker 2: to come out on top. Because it's going to be
Speaker 2: different for everyone, and so you study as much as
Speaker 2: you can and learn as much technology about the different
Speaker 2: things out there, because you don't know what tool you're
Speaker 2: going to need, so it's best to have a good sized,
Speaker 2: very well versus tool. It's mentally and physically, and so
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's what that's what we are, and
Speaker 2: that's for me personally. I take that to heart. So
Speaker 2: I'm always out here trying to understand different technologies that
Speaker 2: I feel that would enhance me as a human being
Speaker 2: and also forward my mission of helping other people enhance
Speaker 2: themselves so that we can really embody who we truly are.
Speaker 1: Wow, let's talk about mindsight, remote viewing, when ROW? When
Speaker 1: and how did you get involved with all of these
Speaker 1: various disciplines of I guess you could say, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you want to call it? Psychic ability? How
Speaker 1: did that begin for you?
Speaker 2: So it began because you know, I had I had
Speaker 2: some of my kids coming up, and they were just
Speaker 2: like we were talking about earlier. Uh, they were pretending
Speaker 2: to be these like Naruto characters and they would do
Speaker 2: this finger weaving and they would they would they would
Speaker 2: say these words and and they would like pretend they
Speaker 2: were throwing fireballs and this that and the other, or
Speaker 2: chidori or whatever. And and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: we that comes from our that comes from our culture
Speaker 2: and then cultures around it. Where you would do uh,
Speaker 2: finger tying which be which would be your maudra, and
Speaker 2: you would say your words which would be your mantra,
Speaker 2: and then you would have these symbols which would be
Speaker 2: your yontra, right, and so you would you would do this,
Speaker 2: and then it would invote these abilities and you would
Speaker 2: tie certain powers to these these maentra, yantra and things
Speaker 2: of that nature, and then you were able to summon
Speaker 2: them as needed. And so they were like, really, oh
Speaker 2: this sounds cool, Like show me how to do that.
Speaker 2: And the only answer I would have I had for
Speaker 2: them was well, let me see you know, I've been
Speaker 2: doing this for twenty years. Meet me on my property
Speaker 2: for the next twenty years. Then you might have an experience,
Speaker 2: you know, and to tell a ten year old of
Speaker 2: that or eight year old, they're gonna laugh at you
Speaker 2: like we just did it. We'd be like, are you crazy?
Speaker 2: You know? So then I started saying to myself, I
Speaker 2: started seeing a problem, and I said to myself, well,
Speaker 2: what's keeping these youth engaged in their own multi dimensional
Speaker 2: abilities and powers and really getting them to explore the
Speaker 2: human technology before they farm it out to like tech technology.
Speaker 2: Nothing against tech technology, but we haven't even really explored
Speaker 2: who we truly are yet, and we're getting further away
Speaker 2: from that. So I said, well, I need a quick
Speaker 2: protocol to have a person have an experience. I remember
Speaker 2: my teacher told me when he had first come back.
Speaker 2: Because everybody was interested in the US government agencies as
Speaker 2: well as people, you know, regular civilians in this ninja stuff,
Speaker 2: and he was the guy. He was the American, the
Speaker 2: first American to go to Japan learned ninjo system and
Speaker 2: bring it back to America. So they wanted to know, like,
Speaker 2: what would he how would these guys successful, What do
Speaker 2: they have that can help my government or agency or whatever.
Speaker 2: One of the people he ended up making contact with
Speaker 2: was a guy named Dell Graft. Dell Graft was running
Speaker 2: his own program because he was interested in this idea
Speaker 2: of remote viewing at the time. But then he eventually
Speaker 2: linked up with the army guys and he ended up
Speaker 2: taking over the Army program, so when as it was
Speaker 2: moving around, because a lot of people ended up controlling
Speaker 2: it or being in charge of it at at some point.
Speaker 2: So he told me about the story about his remote
Speaker 2: viewing experience and stuff, and then I started looking into
Speaker 2: that and I found Paul Smith, my teacher, and he
Speaker 2: was out in Utah and he was one of the
Speaker 2: one of the second generation of remote viewers, like when
Speaker 2: it really kind of a first generation when it became
Speaker 2: an Army program, and he went through that program and
Speaker 2: he started and now he's out he's been teaching these people.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm gonna go out there and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna learn from this guy. And through that, I
Speaker 2: found a guy another group that was in Utah who
Speaker 2: was doing this mind sight stuff and it seemed like
Speaker 2: they they could teach people quit pretty quickly to do it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, well, when I did that for
Speaker 2: my fifth degree, I had to like go through hell
Speaker 2: just to get that, you know, to learn that, and
Speaker 2: no kid, you know, is going to do that, and
Speaker 2: so I need to figure out a protocol for that.
Speaker 2: And so I started training with those guys and then
Speaker 2: it just kept spiraling. Then I found out that the
Speaker 2: Monro Institute was a place that some of these remote
Speaker 2: viewers went to go through the gateway experience. So then
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm going to go through that.
Speaker 2: And so I went through my first gateway and then
Speaker 2: I was like, WHOA blown away by that. I had
Speaker 2: all these experiences there, and I kept following that path
Speaker 2: of learning maybe skill sets, and that's basically it. And
Speaker 2: so now years later, I've trained with almost all of
Speaker 2: the all of the ones that are still alive, original
Speaker 2: remote viewing people from the military. I've trained with Paul Smith,
Speaker 2: Joe mcmoncle, Bill Ray, Tom McNair, Lynn Buchanan, So all
Speaker 2: these guys. You know, it's like maybe two people that
Speaker 2: I haven't trained with, but I really don't have a
Speaker 2: desire to train with them because of other things. But
Speaker 2: you know, but everybody else I've trained. But I love
Speaker 2: those guys, their family, you know, with mindsight, most of
Speaker 2: the people who are teaching it in the US and
Speaker 2: close and abroad, I've trained with them. As well, and
Speaker 2: so now I have these protocols to kind of help kids.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of where it all originated, was, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: I got this problem with these kids. I see a
Speaker 2: need here, and I want to keep youth connected because
Speaker 2: they represent me. They represent the kid at nine years
Speaker 2: old who said I want these abilities but I couldn't
Speaker 2: find them. And mostly the you know, and the support
Speaker 2: team that I had was supportive, oh okay, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but they didn't know that it was a real thing,
Speaker 2: you know. And so in the back of my mom,
Speaker 2: by her own admission, was like, I thought that was
Speaker 2: you just being a boy and like being silly and
Speaker 2: not knowing the truth. What would it be like if
Speaker 2: we created a world where that we can teach kids
Speaker 2: these abilities, and then they become adults and have children,
Speaker 2: and then when the children say I have this experience,
Speaker 2: the parents are like, oh, yeah, that happens. Let me
Speaker 2: teach you a little bit more, or let me support
Speaker 2: you in that, versus saying oh, I know that was
Speaker 2: Oh you're imagining. You're imagining it, or you you must
Speaker 2: be sick, or or for God forbid. You know. They
Speaker 2: go even deeper and darker than that and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you must be possessed or you got some devil or
Speaker 2: something and that. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's that's terrible,
Speaker 2: and that shuts people off from you know, their abilities.
Speaker 2: And if they I will, I will stray to say this.
Speaker 2: If there are dark forces out there, they that's you
Speaker 2: not getting that type of growth in that space works
Speaker 2: in their favor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I won.
Speaker 2: You know, we can't give it lip service to it
Speaker 2: and saying oh, well, you know, just say these words
Speaker 2: and everything will be fine, versus like really developing the
Speaker 2: gifts and the powers that it's like me, It's like me,
Speaker 2: let's just take it on a very real military scale.
Speaker 2: I don't want to make it about fighting. I'm just
Speaker 2: doing it because probably most people can understand it cleaner.
Speaker 2: Let's like I sing you to war and I give
Speaker 2: you a gun, but then I tell you can't use it.
Speaker 2: Just use just just talk to all the people who
Speaker 2: are trying to kill you, you know, yes, and you're like
Speaker 2: you're like you're like, uh, yeah, but you gave me
Speaker 2: the gun. Yeah. I'm not gonna teach you how to
Speaker 2: use that thing, because I don't think you need that,
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's evil or whatever. Just go over
Speaker 2: there and talk and yeah, they got guns and they're
Speaker 2: probably going to try to kill you, but you know,
Speaker 2: maybe you get lucky and you just happen to have
Speaker 2: a conversation with the one guy who doesn't want to
Speaker 2: kill you. You know. But it's like that, like we
Speaker 2: have the gift. The gifts will give in to us
Speaker 2: to be powerful in a good positive way and to
Speaker 2: continue to be be light bringers to the world. And
Speaker 2: we're not even exploring what that really feels like because
Speaker 2: we're doldling it out or we're allowing people to tell
Speaker 2: us what our experience should be. Right.
Speaker 1: I saw a video that you sent me one time.
Speaker 1: I hope you're comfortable talking about this. If not, we
Speaker 1: can cut it out. But you sent me a video
Speaker 1: one time of you doing some sort of mind sight
Speaker 1: thing with the kids at your school. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's if you've posted that anywhere, but I
Speaker 1: thought it was amazing. So before we jump into side games,
Speaker 1: because I think we've stoked that fire quite enough and
Speaker 1: it's time to take out. Before we get into side games,
Speaker 1: could you give us a little crash course on mind sight,
Speaker 1: because we have briefly mentioned it on our show before,
Speaker 1: maybe like two episodes, the ones with Dax and Peter,
Speaker 1: but we haven't like really discussed it with somebody who's
Speaker 1: still to this day practices it and is more or
Speaker 1: less an expert on it. So maybe we could have
Speaker 1: like a crash course on mind sit that.
Speaker 2: Yes, So mindsight is your ability to see and perceive
Speaker 2: things without your eyes that are that are in your vicinity. Right.
Speaker 2: So in remote viewing or in these type of modalities,
Speaker 2: they have a thing that's called non local awareness and
Speaker 2: local awareness. So non local with awareness would be like
Speaker 2: remote viewing, meaning that I'm bi located, I can go,
Speaker 2: I could be here and there at the same time.
Speaker 2: So that's where remote viewing is different from astral projection, right,
Speaker 2: because astral projection is me projecting my spirit or my
Speaker 2: energy somewhere else and I'm only aware of there, but
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what's going on in my body space
Speaker 2: because I'm gone, right, my location means that I'm here
Speaker 2: and there at the same time, so I'm able to
Speaker 2: retrieve information and bring it back. So that's that's also
Speaker 2: considered nonlocal awareness because I'm aware of what's going on
Speaker 2: non locally right. Local awareness is that I am aware
Speaker 2: of what's happening locally right, So I'm actually but I'm
Speaker 2: not using my normal five or six senses in five
Speaker 2: senses right, So I'm using something else to be aware
Speaker 2: of that. And so mindsight is your ability to see
Speaker 2: without your sight and something you know that's that's relative.
Speaker 2: Some people can actually see, like see through stuff, and
Speaker 2: I've had those moments. I'm not as good as some
Speaker 2: of the folks that I've seen who've had what we
Speaker 2: call full openings, meaning they can they can literally see
Speaker 2: real time all the time with something covering their eyes.
Speaker 2: So I transition back and forth between almost a local
Speaker 2: awareness it or a local perception where I can perceive
Speaker 2: and know what I'm looking at even though I can't
Speaker 2: see what I'm looking at like I would with my eyes,
Speaker 2: whereas other people can see real time consistently what they're
Speaker 2: looking at without their eyes. Now their theories as to
Speaker 2: why that is, you know, some people say it's your
Speaker 2: higher self, like there's a portion of you that's outside
Speaker 2: of you, that's look that's aware of what's happening around you,
Speaker 2: and so you can see those through that thing's eyes
Speaker 2: that hire selfs eyes or I'm saying eyes, but it
Speaker 2: really is in the eyes, right, and so that's what
Speaker 2: you're looking through. One group that I trained with, they said, well,
Speaker 2: it's everything is vibratory. So everything is vibrating, and when
Speaker 2: you're looking at an object, even though it's really not there,
Speaker 2: it's just it's because it's just these molecules vibrating at
Speaker 2: different speeds right in these atoms you, it is making
Speaker 2: the shape. And so just like we look at the
Speaker 2: waveform of a cup, like I'm looking at you on
Speaker 2: the other screen right now, you are just what I'm
Speaker 2: actually perceiving is the waveform of the image of you
Speaker 2: that gets you know, goes into my eyes, flips around,
Speaker 2: goes back to the back of my mind. My mind
Speaker 2: kind of makes sense of oh, he that's Ryan. I've
Speaker 2: seen him before, and I've taken his waveform and I've
Speaker 2: implanted it on top of it a name and who
Speaker 2: you are and ideas and concepts about you. Right, But
Speaker 2: you're just a waveform, just like sound. When I hear sound,
Speaker 2: it's a waveform hitting my ear, and my brain has
Speaker 2: learned how to turn that into something that makes sense
Speaker 2: and means of us to communicate or whether it's music
Speaker 2: or whatever. And so that's the same thing with these
Speaker 2: guys say, with this this vibratory, So when you don't
Speaker 2: have eyes online, you can sense these things vibrations because
Speaker 2: your vibration and its vibration can actually melt or you
Speaker 2: can feel it. And so then you're training your brain
Speaker 2: how to recognize the vibration of a cup per se, right,
Speaker 2: or a microphone, or the color red or green, just
Speaker 2: like your brain has learned how to recognize that through
Speaker 2: your eyes when it actually sees that we form of
Speaker 2: the cup. You can teach your inner body in this case,
Speaker 2: this one group says, your pinial gland. You could teach
Speaker 2: it because it's a receiver to perceive the vibrations of
Speaker 2: this thing and then overlay onto that what it is.
Speaker 2: So you do it enough times and you feel a
Speaker 2: cup enough times and you know that the next time
Speaker 2: you get that feeling, oh that's a cup. You feel
Speaker 2: the color red, And enough times and you get that
Speaker 2: feeling and you say, oh, that's the color red, just
Speaker 2: like we would with our natural eyes. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's mind blowing. Any thoughts on that thing.
Speaker 3: That's a super comprehensive explanation of that, Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I've heard about mindsight, like you said, we talked about
Speaker 3: it along a couple of other episodes before in Passing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in Passing, And it's hard. It's kind of hard to
Speaker 3: wrap your head around a little bit, you know. It's
Speaker 3: like the concept makes sense, especially if you're like exposed
Speaker 3: to this this kind of like psychic world and these
Speaker 3: other adjacent abilities and that sort of thing, but to
Speaker 3: know like comprehensively, like it's just a waveform. It's still
Speaker 3: in the room with you. Your body can still sense
Speaker 3: it with your senses, but not with the senses that
Speaker 3: it's used to like to experiencing it with learning how
Speaker 3: to tap into the other ways of sensing what the
Speaker 3: object is or what the thing you're trying to focus
Speaker 3: on is. Because your brain knows what it is, it
Speaker 3: knows how to recognize those waveforms.
Speaker 1: You're just kind of.
Speaker 3: Training yourself how to do a different version of sensing
Speaker 3: those waveforms.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I really like the way that you broke
Speaker 3: that down. And it makes complete and total sense to
Speaker 3: me when you explain it that way, But without explaining
Speaker 3: it that, without that explanation, it's kind of like Okay,
Speaker 3: so magic, right, it's like.
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, it's like, okay.
Speaker 1: Great magic, I get it. But when you break it
Speaker 1: down like that, I'm like, that's that's for the science.
Speaker 2: I can get.
Speaker 1: I can get all the way behind that. That's side
Speaker 1: that's sick. That's a really comprehensive explanation. And it always
Speaker 1: ends up being that way too. Every spiritual or psychic
Speaker 1: thing that truly exists, there is always some equal scientific
Speaker 1: explanation that we just don't know yet. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And I just for one to really appreciate that and
Speaker 3: your ability to relay that information just I think I've
Speaker 3: always been very fascinated like looking at things through a
Speaker 3: scientific lens, and so I think, just for me at least,
Speaker 3: I can it's easy to contextualize it, or it's easy
Speaker 3: to understand when it's contextualized that way.
Speaker 1: It's very helpful. Yeah, yeah, that's so cool. So let's
Speaker 1: talk some psy games. MANI the founder of the psy Games.
Speaker 1: Let's go this summer will be the first ever psy games.
Speaker 1: What was your inspiration for that? You know, that's that's
Speaker 1: a pretty obvious answer, but like, when did you finally
Speaker 1: come to your senses? No pun intended and just be
Speaker 1: like I have to do this. This is the year.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Yeah. So there was several So first off,
Speaker 2: it came as a weird download. We're just kind of
Speaker 2: hit me one day and I was just like, you know,
Speaker 2: that seems good, like an idea of like where we
Speaker 2: can really push the envelope. Because what I was seeing
Speaker 2: as I was traveling and all these different circles was
Speaker 2: everybody was really awesome and they were doing their different things,
Speaker 2: but I saw stuff over here that people could do
Speaker 2: that these people over here didn't know that was possible.
Speaker 2: And then I'd be trying to explain to them what
Speaker 2: these guys over here we're doing. And but these guys
Speaker 2: over here that could do something that these guys didn't
Speaker 2: know were possible, and I'm trying to explain to them,
Speaker 2: you know, And I was like, you know what, we
Speaker 2: really needed to bring all these people together so that
Speaker 2: they can see what each other can do, and we
Speaker 2: can to inspire each other to the next level of
Speaker 2: this and push each other year after year to get better, right,
Speaker 2: and that it was like boom side Games and all
Speaker 2: that information with them, and then I was like I
Speaker 2: was like, no, I got two businesses. I got a
Speaker 2: baby on the way, I got this thing happening, and
Speaker 2: I got so much stuff going on, like nobody got
Speaker 2: time for no damn side games, you know, like I'll
Speaker 2: let somebody. I'll let somebody else figure that out, you know.
Speaker 2: And then it was synchronicities just kept popping up with
Speaker 2: something else what happened, and I would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: my gosh, like and then answer would be side games.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, why is this thing happening over here?
Speaker 2: You know, blah blah blah. And then the solution was
Speaker 2: side games, and I was like, oh, yeah, but I
Speaker 2: don't have time for that. Why does that keep coming up?
Speaker 2: And finally the last straw was I was listening to
Speaker 2: a podcast and I hope I'm not crossing the lines,
Speaker 2: but I mentioned another podcast, okay, but it was a guy.
Speaker 2: It was George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell on the Weaponize
Speaker 2: Cool and they had if you guys hadn't read the book,
Speaker 2: skim Walker's at the Pentagon, they had the d i A,
Speaker 2: you know, a high leveld a government operative that worked
Speaker 2: that the you know that worked at the d i A.
Speaker 2: He had retired. He wrote this book skim Walkers at
Speaker 2: the Pentagon, and it was talking about all their research
Speaker 2: into paranormal and the UAP and things of that nature,
Speaker 2: and that this was a real phenomenon, that things were
Speaker 2: really happening, right And George, I mean Jeremy Corbell at
Speaker 2: one point, and the thing the interviews said, as he says, man,
Speaker 2: you're talking about some heavy stuff, you know, u A P.
Speaker 2: Inter dimensional beings. They can you know, shift in and
Speaker 2: out of phase with us, and if we can't do
Speaker 2: any of that, isn't that scary? And the guy said,
Speaker 2: oh no, I don't see anything scary here at all.
Speaker 2: He said, what I can tell you and I can
Speaker 2: only say this much. I can't go into more details,
Speaker 2: or you try to ask me any more questions. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say. But if we could do and
Speaker 2: embody all that we as human beings are capable of,
Speaker 2: we would have no reason to fear these things. And
Speaker 2: they and it hit and it was like like I
Speaker 2: don't know, it was like the Tyler Dirton moment, and
Speaker 2: and it was like I am you know, so it's
Speaker 2: like it was it was like whoa yes, And then
Speaker 2: and this is the way I explained it, how it
Speaker 2: kind of hit me in a certain way. I was like,
Speaker 2: if you told me today, hey, haikem tomorrow you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to fight Mike Tyson, I'd be scared, craplets because
Speaker 2: I'm not in boxing, because I'm not good enough to
Speaker 2: fight Mike Tyson in boxing and I have no skill
Speaker 2: sets that or I haven't trained hard enough to be
Speaker 2: on that level. However, if I trained and walked the
Speaker 2: walk of Mike Tyson as a fighter and another you know,
Speaker 2: as another walk, and then you said, hey, you've earned
Speaker 2: your way up here. Now Mike Tyson is the heavyweight champion.
Speaker 2: I want you to face off to. Yeah, it's still
Speaker 2: gonna be some nervousness there, but not not if you
Speaker 2: just pulled me off the street and said tomorrow you're
Speaker 2: gonna fight Mike Tyson. If I was a champion fighter
Speaker 2: that I've been fighting championship matches for a long time
Speaker 2: and then you said that, yeah, it's gonna be some nervousness,
Speaker 2: but not to the same level because I have the
Speaker 2: capabilities and skills to deal with that. We as human
Speaker 2: beings a very tricky when we when we don't feel
Speaker 2: like we match up, we immediately fear, and that fear
Speaker 2: turns into hate, and that and that hate turns into
Speaker 2: a desire to kill or destroy, and so how do
Speaker 2: we get rid of that? You know? Is is? And
Speaker 2: and let me let me also preface though, that there
Speaker 2: could be things out there that are also not good, right,
Speaker 2: so so so so it could be like, yeah, it
Speaker 2: would be cool to like not just know this because
Speaker 2: it's going to help me build, not to get rid
Speaker 2: of ego and fear and all that stuff. This isn't
Speaker 2: like kumbaya, like, hey, they don't mean none of them
Speaker 2: mean us any harm, right, and and that we should
Speaker 2: just open up to every everything. It could be that
Speaker 2: there are things out there that mean us harm, and
Speaker 2: it could and but I also very well know that
Speaker 2: there are a lot of things out there that don't,
Speaker 2: but we're just not capable of being able to at
Speaker 2: this level. Only few of us are capable of being
Speaker 2: being able to communicate with them on a consistent basis.
Speaker 2: And what I really believe is that we raise a
Speaker 2: generation of people who are able to embrace these abilities
Speaker 2: and really start to practice and embody who we truly
Speaker 2: are as these multi dimensional beings, then there's no more.
Speaker 2: There's not fear on that same level of bumping into
Speaker 2: an entity and saying, oh shit, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that is. Oh no, I can do all these things
Speaker 2: that I can't do, you know, versus saying, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: how you doing. I knew at some point you show up,
Speaker 2: you know, and then that thing knows what level I'm
Speaker 2: dealing with, so we can have a conversation. We can
Speaker 2: have a really great conversation versus this really fear based
Speaker 2: thing where I'm not sure what they want and what
Speaker 2: they're doing and so on and so forth. And that
Speaker 2: really set me on this trajectory. And I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: this has come up so many times, I have to
Speaker 2: at least try. I have to at least try. And
Speaker 2: I talked to Jeffrey mish Love. He backed me. I
Speaker 2: talked to your dad back me, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: if it wasn't gonna be, if it didn't make sense,
Speaker 2: these people wouldn't be getting behind me and it. And
Speaker 2: apparently it does make sense, and this is the time
Speaker 2: for And since then, if you look at the Side
Speaker 2: Game's website, we have grown tremendously and we have yeah,
Speaker 2: we have some of the most amazing people in the
Speaker 2: film that are that are coming to this thing, this realm. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: from Diane Diane Powell, who's from my telepathy tapes, to
Speaker 2: to really Amazing, to Thomas Campbell, to your dad, to
Speaker 2: Danny Sheehan too. I mean, it's just so many people
Speaker 2: coming to this. Alan the CEO of Monroe, John Cruth,
Speaker 2: the president of the Ryan Institute of the University of
Speaker 2: Virginia Department of Perceptual Studies, is sending three of their
Speaker 2: high level scientists.
Speaker 1: Will be there.
Speaker 2: I just put a list Alexander. Yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: Paul Smith. It just keeps going and it's like, yeah, del.
Speaker 1: Graph Is has been an updated list since I've checked,
Speaker 1: just keeps going.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's such such a beautiful thing and and it's
Speaker 2: powerful and we are and and here's the thing, Like
Speaker 2: adults learning this information I think is great, right, that
Speaker 2: it's great, But I really really, really really want to
Speaker 2: get this to the youth. I really wanted to get
Speaker 2: the US on board. And here's the trick I always
Speaker 2: tell I'm always I always say I'm being tricky. I'm
Speaker 2: being I'm using a little scio here, because because kids
Speaker 2: are motivated through through fun and they're motivated through competition,
Speaker 2: and they'll they'll play video game for eight hours a
Speaker 2: day and not leave the television, right, And and I'm like, so,
Speaker 2: how do we motivate kids to do this? Well, we
Speaker 2: have this game, and then they get inspired and they
Speaker 2: see somebody one of their friends do really well, and
Speaker 2: what do you think they're gonna do? They're gonna go
Speaker 2: home and want to practice. And then when you say, hey,
Speaker 2: the way you get better at this is you have
Speaker 2: to get better at what's going on inside. You have
Speaker 2: to do some meditation, you have to do all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Now you have a this this is my dream, right,
Speaker 2: this is my dream. Now you have an eight nine
Speaker 2: ten year old sitting at home meditating, clearing out all
Speaker 2: their shit that they've accumulated up to that point to
Speaker 2: get even better right at these abilities. But the more
Speaker 2: all we know, all of this age is say, the
Speaker 2: more time you spend inside and self reflection and I
Speaker 2: stay sages, but this could be monks or whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever culture you're doing with the right the more time
Speaker 2: you spend in introspection and reflection self reflection, the more
Speaker 2: you start to weed away all of the crap, and
Speaker 2: the more you start to recognize not only your own holism,
Speaker 2: like the true potential that you have, but also how
Speaker 2: much you're connected to everything else. And so through this
Speaker 2: gaming idea, we're going to hopefully create a bridge for
Speaker 2: kids and young adults start to explore the true nature
Speaker 2: of who they really are and then doing so, reach
Speaker 2: a new potential of mankind.
Speaker 1: Well wow, what a mission statement, honestly, and I do
Speaker 1: believe it's achievable. Absolutely. I'm setting this intention now. This
Speaker 1: thought occurred to me while we were talking. Because this
Speaker 1: episode will come out months before the Side Games. I
Speaker 1: will be there as a commentator. Jakima invited me to participate,
Speaker 1: and I said, you called me, or maybe I called you,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and you were like, I would love
Speaker 1: if you'd be a commentator. And I was so shocked.
Speaker 1: I said, look, man, you just put me in a
Speaker 1: place and not do whatever he asked me to do.
Speaker 1: I've never done that, but I'll do it. And you know,
Speaker 1: here we are, and I'm happy to be a part.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. My dad's going, although I don't know what
Speaker 1: his role is. I just know he's going. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: a oh amazing cool So I'm setting the intention now
Speaker 1: and with the listeners hearing this and with you you
Speaker 1: and I have skywatched several times. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: like we go way back. It goes beyond this internet thing.
Speaker 1: You know, we met in my brother's backyard at my
Speaker 1: nephew's birthday party. So you know the drill. You know
Speaker 1: the Orbs, You've seen him many times, you know what
Speaker 1: we do. I'm setting the intention now that when nightfall happens,
Speaker 1: that we will get to see some Orbs and what
Speaker 1: an amazing after show, right, So let's let's just throw
Speaker 1: that out there as an idea. The next thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up was logistics for those listening at home.
Speaker 1: Forgive me for not knowing this. When do registrations close
Speaker 1: for participants to enter? Because there's two angles here, there's
Speaker 1: participants and then there's viewers.
Speaker 2: Correct, there's people, yes, yes, so you could be a
Speaker 2: sp So the side games is three things in one, right,
Speaker 2: So there is there is a conference where people where
Speaker 2: if you are like curious about siabilities, if you are
Speaker 2: you know already know about it, but you want to
Speaker 2: know more, right, you can come and actually learn from
Speaker 2: all of these different speakers. You can talk to them.
Speaker 2: You can learn from. They're gonna have workshops, they're gonna
Speaker 2: have lectures, so you have that. Then it's the competition.
Speaker 2: If you want to see what it's like to test
Speaker 2: people and see how well they do and people like
Speaker 2: really push themselves in these abilities, then we have that competition. Right.
Speaker 2: Then there are these keynoteses, lectures and speeches where and
Speaker 2: audience participation training where we have aud the audience work
Speaker 2: on different things as an audience. And so those are
Speaker 2: the three aspects. So you can register just to sign
Speaker 2: up to be there for all of it, or you
Speaker 2: can be just participant in the games. And if you
Speaker 2: signed up for the participant in games, oddly enough, we
Speaker 2: are nearing our cap of how many people can actually
Speaker 2: sign up for that.
Speaker 1: That's great, Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah it's exciting. Let me
Speaker 1: plug this really quick because I'm assuming let's let's uh
Speaker 1: get this right with the founder himself. I have this
Speaker 1: code here which is all caps Ryan bpg I twenty five.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about how people can use this code for
Speaker 1: their tickets. Is this for audience participation lectures, the seminars.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just go into like I want people to
Speaker 1: leave the show knowing how they can sign up, what
Speaker 1: they can expect to expect arrangement that get there, because
Speaker 1: I would love to see our lovely listeners show up,
Speaker 1: meet the crew, you know, experience the games, be there
Speaker 1: and witness this historical event. So let's let's let's clarify
Speaker 1: that so that the people at home listening know where
Speaker 1: they can go to sign up.
Speaker 2: So we have, you know, on our website. You know,
Speaker 2: we have four different tiers in which you can participate in.
Speaker 2: So either you could come and just be a person
Speaker 2: who just comes to the games and watch the games
Speaker 2: and maybe do one or two community events. You can
Speaker 2: come and actually do two or three lectures and then
Speaker 2: also be a part of the games. You could do
Speaker 2: all of the lectures and be a part of the games.
Speaker 2: And then there's also a VIIP thing that you can do.
Speaker 2: So you can sign up for any of those four
Speaker 2: and use the code that you just said. So that's
Speaker 2: Ryan b PGI for Side Games International twenty five and
Speaker 2: they will get twenty percent off of their ticket.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so they get a twentyscal used in
Speaker 2: that code.
Speaker 1: And that is Thy Games International dot com PSI FORSI
Speaker 1: like psionic or Psychic PSI, Side Games International dot Com.
Speaker 2: Yes, amazing, that is.
Speaker 1: That is I'm incredibly excited. I think that this was,
Speaker 1: first of all, a fantastic conversation, but second of all,
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot that's on the table
Speaker 1: that could still be explored. I would love to see
Speaker 1: post side games, right. We got to figure it out
Speaker 1: to where we can work. I know you have a newborn, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, congratulations is beautiful, and family is beautiful.
Speaker 1: There's so much that we didn't have time to explore,
Speaker 1: so I would love to see post side games where
Speaker 1: we have you in studio. Somehow we'll make it work.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about side games the fallout of that. We
Speaker 1: can also go into your survival expertise, because you have
Speaker 1: so much there. I mean I actually just went to
Speaker 1: one of your survival conferences or expo. Yeah, even better,
Speaker 1: I went to your expo. It was amazing. It was
Speaker 1: so cool. We can talk survival, we can talk psy ops.
Speaker 1: I think that would be I know there's somebody listening
Speaker 1: that would hear I say syops and be like, why
Speaker 1: didn't you guys talk about that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: You know par two? Yeah, Part two? You're the man dude,
Speaker 1: you're so cool. I'm very excited for the side games.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be a part of this historic event.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for it. We got to get you
Speaker 1: on to talk about everything that happened after and so
Speaker 1: much more beyond that.
Speaker 2: If you were down, yeah, I am totally down. Anything
Speaker 2: you need or want, you always got my support and
Speaker 2: I love doing this with you. And so yeah, this
Speaker 2: is great, This is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, any any thoughts before we I just talked to
Speaker 1: a freaking ninja.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? That was You've got to live
Speaker 2: to tell to tell?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank god, I was. I was very worried. Man,
Speaker 1: you made out. Yeah, you're the man, Hakim. Let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's plug all of your relevant things. I know off
Speaker 1: camera when we were just like joining the room here
Speaker 1: that we had talked about your channels. Let's get those
Speaker 1: out there so that people can follow along. And I
Speaker 1: just I want people to follow.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: You're just so cool, man, I really mean that, and
Speaker 1: and I want you to be out there more so
Speaker 1: the least I can do is try to send people
Speaker 1: your way, you know. So let's plug all of your
Speaker 1: relevant channels that you wish people would follow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Haikim dash Isler dot com so h A
Speaker 2: k I M. Dash Isler I s L e r
Speaker 2: dot Com is one of them. And I'm working on
Speaker 2: a new one called Greater Potentials dot Com that's not
Speaker 2: out yet. It will be probably in two weeks so
Speaker 2: maybe by the time this thing comes out. And of
Speaker 2: course the biggest one, which is the most important right
Speaker 2: now is SAIA Games International dot Com so PSI Games
Speaker 2: International dot Com. That is the biggest one. That is
Speaker 2: the one that we're using to change the world and
Speaker 2: really bring even more light to this world with the
Speaker 2: amazing light bringers that we have that are that are
Speaker 2: coming so like yourself.
Speaker 1: So thank you, man. I'm truly like it's an honor
Speaker 1: that you asked me to be involved. I literally was like, sold,
Speaker 1: let's do it. You know, I just can't wait, man,
Speaker 1: because if anything, it's gonna just be the just the
Speaker 1: coolest hang with so many all stars in this space,
Speaker 1: and then not only that but learning the games, you know,
Speaker 1: actually watching the games. I'm so excited about that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be awesome, dude. And also now I know I'm
Speaker 1: about to see you in Wisconsin, so I'm very much
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you there. We're definitely gonna hang
Speaker 1: We're I mean, count me in you dude, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: So thanks for.
Speaker 2: I'll be hanging. I'll be hanging with your dad this
Speaker 2: uh uh starting this Wednesday. For what. He's got something
Speaker 2: going on. You know, you'll find out about it. He's
Speaker 2: got he's got Obergon so he'll.
Speaker 1: Well I'm learning this now. Yeah. Just for example, when
Speaker 1: Chris Ramsey came to uh uh to do the area
Speaker 1: fifty two things in our house and hang out and
Speaker 1: then he did our podcast, we texted a hakeem and
Speaker 1: it was like he was there. Just he's everywhere.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You are truly, you are truly uh a ninja. So
Speaker 1: thank you for joining our show. We definitely will have
Speaker 1: to do a part two after the side games. Will
Speaker 1: have so much to talk about. And you know, you're
Speaker 1: the man. You're awesome. I'm also in full support of you.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're friends. I'm glad we're brothers from other mothers,
Speaker 1: and you know, thanks for doing this once again, and
Speaker 1: please say this with us. Bye guys, all.
Speaker 2: Those bye guys.
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