Speaker 1: We don't teach sha.
Speaker 2: We don't teach no hate.
Speaker 1: Y'all te shank y'all house, y'all narcissists.
Speaker 2: But you ain't a narcissist.
Speaker 3: Because I'm not a slave. I never came from Africa.
Speaker 4: I'm an indigenous.
Speaker 5: Perfect what your mama taught you.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you the truth.
Speaker 2: Let her curk, let her cook from my color black
macass cooking, Let her mel.
Speaker 6: Your people are going to extinct, and that's why you're mad.
Speaker 7: You can't pro create.
Speaker 6: You was born as stink. Put some respect on that name.
This sister right here, Ha done decoded every mystery on
the house. She done decoded every howeroglyphic. Okay, that's that ancient.
That's that ancient Wakandan script.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what eugenics was about. That's when eugenic the
Darwin theory.
Speaker 8: Because y'all know the truth.
Speaker 6: This sister doesn't see every TikTok about Sydney Swingey and
them jeans. Okay, them jeans was invented by a communist
dictatorship to put you into a worker suit because white
people had to put black people into genes because white
people gens is defectives.
Speaker 2: Okay, and they is.
Speaker 6: Born decrepit, They born without the ability to reproduce. Okay,
that's what them eugenics is about. It's in the name eugenics.
Sidney Sweeney, goddamn genes.
Speaker 9: Girl.
Speaker 2: Everybody want to be black?
Speaker 6: Don't nobody want to be black except Beyonce want to
be white because she's changing her.
Speaker 1: Skin waiting to say this.
Speaker 6: Whoo, cook girl, Finally my people are speaking up, people
speaking my language, speaking my script.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: And I am an honorary black person. We've had eleven
black people give me in word past. I've been identifying
as black at least for.
Speaker 2: How many years now?
Speaker 6: Many I've been white to say this all my life.
Speaker 2: Woo, cook girl, Cook on it.
Speaker 6: You're mad because only black people have the jeans to procreate.
She wearing the jeans skirt too. At the same time,
y'all noticed that that's coded. That right there is coded.
Speaker 2: Okay, and that.
Speaker 6: White woman right there, she don't know what to do
one thats coded. Y'all know how to decode.
Speaker 1: And y'all know the true dukes come from me.
Speaker 10: A black person can make any color in Africa white
with blue eyes.
Speaker 6: Whoa s now Some of y'all wanted to make fun
of me for identifying as black. This little princess sister
queen right here, she don't have to confirmed it, ain't she?
Speaker 2: She done confirm the right there. You made fun of me,
Judy dog Thorsty's blood.
Speaker 6: She just said, black people make all the colors.
Speaker 2: I came from her. That's my mom's, dude. It's my
mom's right now.
Speaker 1: And blind hair, just like you have a win, one
my collar and one your color.
Speaker 2: It's called east Side and Jacob.
Speaker 1: You'll be quiet east side and Jacob et the Mites.
Speaker 6: Black Huberes are like black Hebrew, black Hebrew Israel, Like,
just make it up.
Speaker 2: As you go. It don't even matter.
Speaker 6: It's telling us star it okay, it's telling us story.
Speaker 2: And this ain't the only truth.
Speaker 6: Drop knowledge bomb I got for your ass today. You
better set your little ass down. Put them be called
eb T card back in the draw because you ain't
ready for it. Right now, you ain't ready for it.
I'm about to drop a lot of y'all trying to
a lot of y'all try to want to become a
black heprier. As you're like, I got bad news for you.
In a moment we're gonna we're gonna speak to some
of them brothers that got wisdom.
Speaker 11: You're never you can take me to jail, your mad
go ahead.
Speaker 6: Now, let me let let me let my people, Jacob.
I like I like how my brothers and sisters in
the plane, or letting.
Speaker 2: Her preach, whoa preach girl, get on it? Tell it
cook everybody else in the airplane. That's remember that. You
want you want to know what airplane? That was? Soul plane.
Speaker 6: Everybody forgot that Snoop movie. Remember snow old plane. This
is what it was like getting on it right here, right,
this is it right here?
Speaker 2: What a soul plane. I'm not talking about soul training.
I'm talking soul plane. They get on that right there.
Look at that right there? Whoa get on that sould
plane right now? Made that ship bump.
Speaker 7: Oh, look at that got Kevin Hart in, It got
Snoop dogg in, It got them mother sisters I ain't
never heard of, and I never seen about she Because.
Speaker 2: The promise is coming to my paper. We know the
birth right girl.
Speaker 6: Remember when remember when Cain had done took es Saul's birthright,
and then the Judahmites had done come and take the
Nephemites and taking their taking all of their hair, taking
their weaves. The Nephemites done took the weave of all
of the Judamites. And it was a big old story
in the Book of Samson and the Bibles. Okay, then
the people had to rise up, They had had to rise.
Speaker 2: Up and throw it off. That oppressions. Okay, that's what
I'm talking about right now. I'm preaching right now.
Speaker 6: And ain't none of y'all leaving right now, closing doors,
close the doors, because ain't none of y'all coming out
here till I get forty thousand dollars in super chests today.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm trying to say. That's it. That's all. Now.
Speaker 6: A lot of white people are turning to the racisms.
It's time to call it a stop to that. It's
time to call it out. I am bold enough to
do it. A lot of people too scared to do it.
But I'm gonna sing with this white man, with this
judahmite right here, this little Judahmite who tried to steal
all the weaves back in the Book of Samson. I
got a little song for y'all right now, listen, I
want y'all to sing with me. Now it's a church
service right up in here. Indo racisms.
Speaker 12: Down, King say, come on everyone, burn it down, racism,
burn it down.
Speaker 6: I don't know why. I don't know how we got
to axul rose in that, but welcome everybody. It's open
for him. We're just having fun, kicking it off with
a little bit of a little bit of church to
get y'all ready for today. Did y'all enjoy church? We
had a sister like Kwanha getting on the soul plane
giving us a little bit of word of encouragements.
Speaker 2: But now we're about to open it up.
Speaker 6: I don't know what y'all people got on your minds today,
but listen, oh, I forgot what we gotta check in
just one little thing. Can I become a black Hebro Israelite?
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. Number one ques question today,
Number one qurtion today.
Speaker 6: Hold on, some of you white people, you think perhaps
I could also be in the tribe. I could also
become a judomit. Let's find out. Let's find out right here.
I just Irish, definitely definitely not.
Speaker 13: I'm an Irish manka all right, Well, you can be
whatever you want to be in your mind, in your
want to be, but in reality, I'm excited.
Speaker 3: To be here with you guys. To name, I'm very excited.
Speaker 6: That's Jermaine Duprix right there, that's Jermaine Dupris. Don't come
up black. He is late, that Jermaine Duprieve. You ain't
never seen him. You said, well, what Jermaine the Prieve
went up to for the for the last minute. Well
it's been a minute, but he's been over.
Speaker 2: There with them. He is lights up and down in
that Landau right now.
Speaker 6: And when an Irish man who's a cannounce cannot become
a judimit when he come up in there trying to
be trying to trying to front.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 6: You ain't a part of this party, son. My people
is on the come up. Your people is on the depression,
wrote aka skinned Roll Haller.
Speaker 2: If you hear me, hold, if you hear it? All right,
we popping the day. It's popping. Baby.
Speaker 6: We even got fat smug smug Wilson. Did y'all know
Smug Wilson Christian nationalist Fatty Pastor, the new version, the
new institiation of Jerry fallwell, smug Wilson, he got a
rock and roll song, y'all ever heard of it? What
could a boomer come up with to blow my mind
when it came to rock and roll? It's exactly what
you think folk bluegrass, Calvinists, bull crap, that's what you
would get. That's what you that's what you think, and
that's what you get. You didn't know Doug Wilson had musics.
This is Doug Wilson in the Jenny Getty's band about
to blow.
Speaker 14: Your mind right here.
Speaker 15: Now.
Speaker 2: Did you hear that?
Speaker 6: They was referencing Jacob and the Judamites out of the
Old Testament with Caine and Joseph, also Abel and Levi
Leviticus Okay. Leviticus was the cousin of Moses Claus. Okay,
that's where the white people done got Santa Claus from.
If you look at a picture of Moses right now,
to the picture of Santa Claus, that's the white version
of Mosa Claus. First five books of the Bibles, okay.
And then Doug Wilson referencing that, he said, we is
the real Jacobites. Okay, mm hmmm, mm hmm. This is
white supremacist coded right here, pull some respect on Doug Wilson,
Smug Wilson name right, hew, Uh yeah, let's see.
Speaker 2: What what's a good idea for the video?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 6: Boomers shopping at home depot? First of all, definitely on Calvinism,
pro economy, pro libertarian economic theory. You gotta be shopping
at home depot. What else is more free market? What
else is more Calvinist economic theory? Then shopping at home
depot and getting some some getting some jugs, right, gonna
if you're gonna have a Nickel Creek band, by the way,
not half as good as Nickel Creed my band.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna have a Nickel Creek type of band, you.
Speaker 16: Gotta have some jugs to hoot into, right hooting jugs?
Speaker 2: Look at them? Hoot and jugs? Are they?
Speaker 6: You might think, Oh, they're making clay because it's a
reference to Romans nine and the clay and the Potter
and Calvin isn't no no. That is Doug Wilson's Post
eleven Z's cake that that guy is spinning on the
That's a that's an entire daily Post eleven Zy's breakfast cake.
The Smug Wilson eats on a daily basis right there.
I like how the theme of the video is the
potter and the clay and he's making the vessel as
if someone handmakes the mass produced home depot clay pots.
They're not made, They're made by machines.
Speaker 3: Idiot.
Speaker 6: He's got his eyes closed as he sings. Are we
supposed to think this is what's going on in Doug
Wilson's mind as he's singing a song, he's dreaming about
the guy who's forming a giant pastry on the the
clay thing for him after lunch. Is that Is that
how I am supposed to interpret this video? It's coded.
I'm trying to decode it right here. And why are
they out in the field with If you're gonna be
in the field, maybe don't put in your shot the
piece of ship family san Subaru over there, Like, get
me put the field in the background and not the
giant vance refrigeration van ad behind you.
Speaker 17: We want to take up Pharaoh's hogg.
Speaker 18: To bring it down, then the whole Egyptian on the ground.
Speaker 2: Cook Doug cook o, you.
Speaker 10: Say, well, you say, old gyps, you would pop the
Lord is God.
Speaker 19: And.
Speaker 6: Oh the Lord is God, and you are not let
these boomers cook. Now, let these boomers cook. You just
got put in your place, you arrogant works righteousness man,
you thought you could be saved by your works. Maybe
you need to take a trip to home Depot with
Doug Wilson and be humbled son.
Speaker 2: Anyway, and uh, what is the what the heck is
with this weirdo with the ear ring?
Speaker 6: Is this a member of Doug's church? So are they
having like secret service fantasies.
Speaker 2: At Doug's church? Like what they're like what would be
a cool look? Oh?
Speaker 6: I know, uh, secret service agents.
Speaker 2: Or blues brothers.
Speaker 6: I think they're trying to go with blues brothers, right,
because it's like folk blues, I guess. And they're just
singing romans nine. Oh yes, let's bring in our boomer wives.
Speaker 16: The ire go.
Speaker 6: Oh look at that God is like Louisville slugger who
just destroys his his creations as he so wills. Because
because Calvinism, dog.
Speaker 2: This is so cranch.
Speaker 6: Is that Doug Wilson's wife? Is he married to a grandma?
I mean that sounds like Calvinism. Who is this boomer
with this this? I want to be secret service member
with this They're like, I want to let's do Secret
Service agents, but let's have let's have peppermint striped ties.
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 6: Douglas is like, my beloved grandmother wife, would you please
be in my music video? Just sing in the background.
That's all you gotta do, Just sing in the background.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: They were like, just like so eager to let loose
their pent up Calvinist rage by doing this stupid little
bat scene with the mass produced china pots made out
of who knows what from home depot. You know, this
is going to be such a powerful visual symbolic statement
when we hit these clay pots with the Louisville slugger.
Speaker 2: Anyway, and then then he's still going. He's like no,
He's like, you guys thought we were done.
Speaker 6: I've got five more clay pots that I'm gonna throw.
Speaker 2: At you that you get to smash. And then.
Speaker 6: Secret Service boomer is look at this.
Speaker 2: You know they're they're they're rages coming out of oh yeah.
And then they were like, what if we.
Speaker 9: Get every tumble problem?
Speaker 2: Whoa do you hear that?
Speaker 6: They turned the electric God, they turned the little the
little switch to make it electric. They went from blues
folk to electric it got edgy? Did y'all see did
y'all hear and see the edge? Yeah, of course it is.
Y'all didn't know smug Wilson. Look, look, I thumbed down
this like five years ago. It's still got my thumbs
down from like five years ago.
Speaker 20: Anyway.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Doug Wilson is a fat piece of crap. If
you didn't know, somebody said basic experts said, for five dollars,
is Doug playing the wrong note? Because if he is,
it's actually the wrong note, it's actually the right note
because he was predestined to play it boom exactly. Yeah,
doesn't this make you want to be a columnist hanging
out with with gigantic fat gut boomers in the in
a field advanced refrigeration?
Speaker 2: Look at that? Did they think this way?
Speaker 6: Was this the ad for like this guy who's in
the band? I guarantee it's the drummer right, and he's like.
Speaker 16: I've always wanted to be in a rock and roll video,
But hey, Doug, could we put my fork refrigeration.
Speaker 2: Van in the background to be like advertising. I'll pay
five hundred dollars for the Clay.
Speaker 6: Potts in the video. If you put my van in
the background, fork refrigeration. Fork Refrigeration is the guy's name Fork.
I guess eating utensils is an appropriate name for people
at Doug Wilson's church, because I mean, Doug Wilson's got
Doug Wilson looks like he's about to give birth.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at that. Whoa dude? More like double Wilson.
Speaker 6: Look at that damn dude, Doug Wilson's Doug Wilson is
the size of a refrigerator man. Look at that guy
held He could play a He could play John Goodman
before John Goodman was skinny. Anyway, doesn't that make you
want to be a Calvinist?
Speaker 2: There you go, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: You know, the exterior of a person oftentimes does indicate
the interior of the person. This is something that a
lot of people don't think about. Not in every case.
It is possible to be a loving, humble person if
you're overweight, if you're disfigured, But in a lot of
cases it's not actually the truth. The fact, physiognomy is
a really good indicator.
Speaker 2: Of character. Why is that, Well, in the case.
Speaker 6: Of very portly individuals, this signifies a gluttonous tendency. I
understand that some people can have, you know, thyroid issues
or whatever, but that's not always the case, and it's
a sign of a lack of self control. Now, this
is something that is a little more relevant and interesting
than this ridiculous, crappy music video from Doug Wilson. But
there's a guy who wrote an article who was in
the CREC, which is Doug Wilson's made up denomination. So
he just basically created his own denomination, which is a
traditional Reformed Catholic church that can kind of be whatever
you want it to be. So if you want to
practice paedo communion you can. If you want to be
a Baptist and not baptize your infants and not practice
pato community, you can. If you want to wear collars
and larp as an Anglican or a Catholic priest in
the series C, you can't. Or you can dress like
Billy Bob Baptist, it doesn't matter. It's a ridiculous, obvious,
made up boomer thing. But that's the Doug Wilson invented
denomination of which Doug Wilson is the pope of the denomination.
Now there's a lot of scandals, a lot of drama
over the years. You can find these articles where people
have called out and complained about Doug Wilson over the
last two decades, three decades back to the early two thousands.
But for whatever reason, Doug is getting a little more
traction because unfortunately Tucker Tucker had Doug Wilson on. Tucker
had smug Wilson on, which was a huge mistake because
to prop up and push.
Speaker 2: This idiot is just gonna end up being for the worst.
Speaker 6: Now, the main issues I would have assumed from not
kind of keeping up with Doug Wilson in the last
several years was well, he's a Calvinist, and so he's
gonna have this standard sort of Calvinist aires. Apparently, according
to Jeff Moss, who's a former series pastor Converted Orthodoxy.
A few years ago, Jeff sent me an essay that
he wrote detailing and outlining some of the actual anti
trinitarian made up positions that Doug Wilson has, which I
didn't know. This is kind of crazy. Apparently he and
I don't exactly even I don't even know if Doug
Wilson knows what he means when he writes these things.
But I saw I was reading some of the paragraphs
in the quote in Jeff's article. Apparently Doug Wilson thinks
that the father. Okay, you're gonna think, well, this sounds
like monarchical trinitarianism. It's not the first thing I thought
when I heard this one. That sounds like the orthodox
view of monarchical trinitarianism. No, no, no, Doug Wilson thinks
that the father is authority and the son is obedience.
You heard me, right, The Father as the subject, the cause,
the fount, etcetera. The divine subject. The Father, according to
Doug Wilson, is authority, the son is obedience, like in
an identity sense. What I mean, I don't know what that.
I've never even heard of this, So apparently I don't
know if Doug Wilson heard people talking about monarchical trinitarianism
and then utilize that to put it into his patriarchal
Calvinist mold, and so he thought he could capitalize on
the idea of the father as the fount and the
monarchy of the triad and turn it into some sort
of authority subjection role is what it sounds like. But
that is not what those words mean. Okay, yeah, the
father is in a sense the authority. He is the source.
But the father as a person or a hypostasis is
not authority. Like it's bizarre. The sun is not as
a hypostasis obedience. It's weird and according to Jeff, but
I've not looked into all of these positions. Again, I
haven't even thought about this dude until he popped up
on Tucker and then I think he's on CNN more
recently for Christian nationalism, which we talked about a little
bit here and there to I do want to comment
on that here in a set, Let's see if we
can find what Doug Wilson is talking about on I'm
not gonna watch a whole interview, but thirty minutes. Now,
keep in mind, nobody really watches CNN except like the
lowest IQ liberal boomers.
Speaker 2: That's it. You gotta be like.
Speaker 6: Really dumb to be watching, you know, CNN, totally out
of touch. So I would assume this is intended to
provoke the ninety IQ boomer left that watches. And so
what they do is they tailor this to rage bait
their audience, as if Doug Wilson is this massively influential,
powerful force out there.
Speaker 2: My channel is bigger than Doug wilson channel.
Speaker 6: I mean, unless he's blown up since the Tucker discussion,
I think my channel is still.
Speaker 2: Bigger than Doug Wilson.
Speaker 6: So let's see. I think they have a couple. They
have blog and may blog and canon Press. So let's see.
So my channel is like almost four times bigger than
blog and may blog.
Speaker 2: And let's see what can impress is at.
Speaker 6: And I'm only pointing this out because like this shows
you that, I mean, this is not can Impress one
hundred and seventeen thousand. So between the two, they don't
even have the audience that we have over here. But
he's being pushed by now these sort of mainstream and
alternative outlets.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, perhaps because people sort of look
to this guy.
Speaker 6: And when this goofy Navy seal guy who is so
intelligent that he's debunked bitcoin for many years, Yeah, exactly,
This genius Navy seal who understands everything from special operations
to deep theological issues, who shares the gospel with Joe
Rogan debunked bitcoin and lost out on quite a bit
of money because he's so smart. Well, Doug Wilson's been
commenting on this and talking about how this amazing veteran
shared the gospel with Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: So perhaps.
Speaker 6: We must call out smug Wilson because he's now quote
going viral, and even Rouselan is over here covering. But
where is the going viral part? Because I mean, I'm
not saying he's not. I'm just trying to figure out, like,
where is the viral part? Because this has twenty seven
thousand views on CNN. That's pitiful, dude, So I'm not
sure where the viral part is. But maybe there is
some area where he's going viral. I don't know what
makes this community here in Moscow so unique. Oh the
other thing that CNN wanted to do I forgot to mention,
is that they want to portray this as like Doug
Wilson is what Handmade's Tale is warning about. Right, So
what Doug Wilson's going to cause jd Vance to run
next election and create a Christian Nationalist in concentration camp
America where we're all going to be put into camps
except for me because I'm a man.
Speaker 2: I'll be good.
Speaker 6: But all the women are going to be in camps
and be forced.
Speaker 2: To be breeders.
Speaker 6: And also remember all the global elite have written thousands
of pages for the last sixty seventy eight hundred years
about depopulation. Another real threat is that they're going to
make women into breeders when the Christian nationalists take over.
Christian nationalism is not a real threat.
Speaker 2: I do not.
Speaker 6: Believe that these people are good people. These people are
total scumbacks. And I'm sure within this domain of the
online Christian nationalist sphere, I'm sure there's in there. I
am not agreeing with James Lindsay right with the woke
right and everyone's a FED and all, you're all FEDS.
If you believe in if you want you, if you
don't believe in Enlightenment, atheism and the Freemasonic founding of America,
you must be a woke right FED. I mean, that's
as ridiculous as these people. But one thing that I
do know from reading and studying this domain for many
many years alternative media as well as espionage and co
intelpro and all these kinds of things, the first people
that start calling everybody FEDS, they're usually the FEDS. Now
not always, because now we're in this situation where everybody's
calling everybody fed. So it's like, now we don't know
because who's even first. I mean, everybody's been calling everybody
a fed now for a long time.
Speaker 21: And.
Speaker 6: It's hard to say, like exactly who it is isn't
a FED. And I remember remember back at the time
of Seaville, and I was telling everybody, I wouldn't waste
my time going to Seaville, and I was completely right
because everything that went, everybody went to Seaville, many of
them people had their lives runed. So it's the oldest
trick in the book that what the establishment does is
co opt, choose, pick, infiltrate, turn people into assets. Classic
example of this was when Hawl Turner, the famous.
Speaker 2: White in radio host, it came out that he was.
Speaker 6: A FED, and he had been for many many years,
for example, attacking Lord Valdemot and Lord Baltimore.
Speaker 2: For many many years.
Speaker 6: Said that guy's got to be a FED because he's
allowed to say the craziest, wildest stuff. He doesn't get
in any trouble, and it's like way beyond the pale, right,
I'm not saying that anybody who says one inflammatory or
wild thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're automatically fed.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 6: Not necessarily, but like, if you're able to consistently call
for violence and this kind of stuff, then and you
don't get in any trouble on a regular basis. For example,
we saw not just Hal Turner back in the day
doing that.
Speaker 2: We saw.
Speaker 6: That weird black dude that ran remember the ten years
ago the New Black Panther Party.
Speaker 2: Remember that guy, and he was like.
Speaker 1: All these white women when they lay down on their
back and when they give birth, they I'll give him
birth to a regiment of soldiers that will culle black people.
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 6: And then there was that other black dude that wore
the glasses and it was in for like regiments of brothers.
Speaker 2: It's like, if you're able to do this on a
consistent basis.
Speaker 6: And you don't end up in jail, you might be it.
Speaker 2: You might be a fit r.
Speaker 6: I will turn into Jeff Fox Jeff fed Worthy over here.
If you're able to call for violence on a regular
basis and you don't get in troubling, you might be
a feed.
Speaker 2: Right, Jeff Fedworthy, Jacob Kabey, Clay Pott. Cooler than an.
Speaker 6: Office space, copy machines. I think you're talking about Doug
Wilson's amazing rock.
Speaker 2: And roll video.
Speaker 6: Christopher Scott five dollars, what's up man, Thank you so much.
Contemporary Committee, five dollars, Father Agan and I should join
Doug Wilson's band with his ukulele. He was just in here.
He missed that great joke. So yeah, FDA, I think
does play music in uh bluegrass. And then he he
just missed that joke. He was just in here. Oh well,
and then see now the whole So now everybody thinks
every influencer and yapping head or what was Jamie? So
they're called face lords, all the face lords now right,
everyone's a fed now, Hassan Piker, al Right, the chat
says Hassana fed.
Speaker 2: I Doves is a fed. Oh Sam hidees a fed.
Oh j Dot, I'm KGB. We all know that I'm
not a fed dude. I'm KGB bro.
Speaker 6: I'm a KGB sorceress, not a sorcerer sorceress. Hence, Adiva
Tucker's a fed, Candas is a fed lord, Valdemort's a fed,
Nick's a fed, Jay's a fed. Everyone's a fed. I
got an idea, what if we what if everybody applies
to the f beyond the CIA and we all become
FEDS and then nobody's a fed. Boom, we just beat
the system, dude, from the inside out.
Speaker 2: You ever thought of that?
Speaker 11: KGB baby contemporary competitive set FDA should joined Doug Wilson
for his little yukulele thing.
Speaker 2: For a bit chin sola? What is bit chin is? That?
Speaker 6: Is that the Doug Wilson Triple Chin band. Doug Wilson
in the Triple Chins. That's the name of his, that's
the name of his. Uh Calvinist bluegrass man. Do everyone's
a fed? Sam shimund Oh, totally a fed? Everyone's everybody's
a fed? Who The question is who's not right? That's
the We gotta figure out who's not a fed?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 6: Everybody's We're all everyone, literally everyone is a fed now.
And it's kind of hard to prove that too, you
know what I mean, Like you can suspect, oh, he
might be because this didn't happen, or this happened and
this didn't happen, and then it's like, well, if that
is enough, then everyone's a fit.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: FWIN tests did state today, which is an interesting.
Speaker 2: Point that or was he. I don't remember it's yesterday
or today, but.
Speaker 6: The letter that was it Fanny Willis wrote at the
direction of Bill Barr Cia. Bill Barr was that there's
a list of people that need to be targeted and
the last three were Lord Voldemort.
Speaker 2: I forget who the other one was, and then the
last one was Nick. So that is an interesting piece
of data that has come forward. But I mean, I
don't know who knows inquire longer two dollars?
Speaker 6: Does then do Eastern Catholics have sacraments since they have
the same theology, Well, they don't exactly have the same theology.
So in other words, just because you affirm the essence,
synergy distinction or something like that, it doesn't matter if
you're also in communion with this gigantic antichrist system. Right so,
and technically they also affirm papal supremacy, Vatican one and
all those things. Father Digan and nice you missed. People
are saying that you should join Doug Wilson's uh Bluegrass Calvinists,
Edge Lord Band, Boomer Edge Lord Band because you have
a quote little ukulele. I don't know what that reference is.
I mean, that's what they said, not me so. Quote
references to your little ukulele. That's what the super chatters.
Speaker 2: Are saying, not me so. But maybe there is a
future for Calvinist.
Speaker 3: He's kind of Calvin's bluegrass band.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't hear me playing the clip.
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, I did not hear you.
Speaker 6: You're expected to be here on time for every single
time exactly.
Speaker 3: That stinks, man.
Speaker 6: Why you didn't get in it. You didn't get in
the band quick enough. You didn't make the cut. That's
what I wasn't part of the elect You weren't elect
That's good.
Speaker 3: Shoot man, all that dirty's up bluegrass.
Speaker 10: Well, we're just going to be like, well, we don't
like your kind of blue grass plays here.
Speaker 6: Well, Doug Wilson is going to institute and is a
Calvinist Islamic dictatorship where women lose all their rights. This
because this CNN interview has twenty seven thousand views, like
I get more views on some of my live streams
of this.
Speaker 3: Isn't he in Idaho? He is isn't his address? She's
in Idaho?
Speaker 10: And in fact, I remember talking to Father George Quoro
that people at his parish are becoming interested in Orthodoxy
probably because they're seeing the.
Speaker 3: Failure of Doug Wilson. So right, let's pray for that. Well.
Speaker 6: Actually, the Doug Wilson domain has for twenty years now,
after the Federal Vision Conference, it has been a pretty
consistent conduit to people converting Orthodoxy. I know tons of
people who became Orthodox.
Speaker 2: Out of the Doug Wilson sphere. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And the reason for that, as I said, was that
back in two thousand and two and three, James Jordan,
Doug Wilson, and Peter Leiheart started reading Alexander Schmiman and
they found a lot of Schmilmann's arguments for Eucharist and
for pedal communion very appealing and convincing.
Speaker 2: But hey, why.
Speaker 6: Convert the Orthodoxy when you can create your own made
up church?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just pick and choose and build your own
now I think. Yeah, the last.
Speaker 10: Time you were doing X space, something really interesting we
were talking about, uh, or you were talking about when
I was inside your head talking to you to talk
to the people after we did the FDA neural fitbit
you know, installed into your head that.
Speaker 3: These people would come out of cults.
Speaker 10: And then do you remember we'd have a lot of
people had called in who had come out of cults,
and you found that really interesting.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 3: This went into.
Speaker 10: Kind of a deep guy discussion that you were you
were giving about campus crusade.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because you know, the EOC was part
of campus crusade.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's what we covered in that lost live stream.
That Watchman Meee was closely associated with campus crusade, as
was the Evangelical Orthodox Church, which is essentially what Doug
Wilson's doing now, but back in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 3: Now keep in mind, not all of that group became
Orthodox right right, And seemed to me.
Speaker 10: That they were doing something very similar is that they
were like, well, we like this, and we'll just build this.
Speaker 3: And tack this on and have our own.
Speaker 10: And who knows the EOC at large might have that
kind of mentality. I think that you know, Father Peter
Gilquist and Lebrons and all the kind of people that
are involved in that. I think they kind of came
to their senses and realized, we we can't do this,
We've got to be under authority, and that, you know,
caused a break. But you know, this is what happened
up here in Montana as well, Misinta Cole.
Speaker 3: But the Scott's.
Speaker 10: If you remember the megachurch here in Missoui over in Missoula, Montana,
it's like two thousand people. And this became like all
the news last year, like oh my gosh, Scott's talking
about like orthodoxy and like we're going to two thousand.
Speaker 3: It's going to be like an eoc And well they
were doing the same thing.
Speaker 10: Now Scott left that, he stepped down and we made
him father Andrew and I and Father Russell made it
a cate Ofcuman. So like he's he's in. He's no
longer associated with that church. But what happened is the
rest of the people were like.
Speaker 3: Well, we like all these things and we'll build this, but.
Speaker 19: That other.
Speaker 2: We don't want.
Speaker 3: It's such a Protestant.
Speaker 6: It's a totally Protestant mentality. Yeah, I pick and choose
what I want, what I how I want to.
Speaker 2: Make the church.
Speaker 6: And so everybody everybody's talking about Rid Vaughan, ap. I mean,
I don't I don't know what to say because I
tried to explain to him, to David Wood, to everybody
that I mean, all you can do is continue to
try to reason with people and if they want to
go on a crusade for Zionism, I mean, what do
you what?
Speaker 2: What do you? What am I supposed to?
Speaker 6: There's nothing I can do, so I mean what I
typically do when uh. And I think FDA would agree
with this approach too. Is you know, when you meet
people a lot nowadays we live a lot of times,
meet people online. You try to be as an influence
as you can, and then you give it time. And
after a while, when it becomes evident that you know
people are going in their own direction and you know
they're not interested in your position or what you're trying
to help them with, you do you let people go? H.
It's the same with it's not mouth sound if father Deacon,
can you mute when you're not if you're I'm not
telling you about to talk, but just when you're not talking,
because we hear a lot of background noise. So you know,
you give it time and then you move on. For example,
with Sam Schimun, Uh. You know, I maintained a friendly
relationship with him for four years somewhere in there, five
maybe five, and then out of nowhere, you know, I
asked him in Goofus to do a debate and everything
spiraled out of control. There time to move on. So
that's what I think. I mean, that's the only way
really to navigate not just the sphere of media, but
your life as well. When people are not interested, there's
not much else you can do.
Speaker 2: I mean, if if AP is gonna call.
Speaker 6: Very respectful Orthodox priests like Father John Whiteford liar, it's
time to just move on.
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 6: I mean, if they're not going to listen to people
in the Orthodox Church, then they can just move on
to I guess he would go to evangelicalism.
Speaker 2: Or something like that.
Speaker 6: But don't you think that's the wise course of action here.
It's like at a certain point, you just if people
are not interested, what are you gonna do? Just make
videos calling them out every day? What's the point?
Speaker 3: It's a waste?
Speaker 10: I mean, shoot, I should start teaching courses just in
time management, like are you managing your time?
Speaker 3: Like? Why are you wasting your time with.
Speaker 6: That's a good way to put it. Yeah, it's also
your own.
Speaker 3: Time, right, Like it's in your own time. You're not
gonna it doesn't look like you could convince them then
then move on.
Speaker 10: Put through you know, energy into other stuff like and
he can't force somebody.
Speaker 3: To play something to.
Speaker 13: Like, so I I like, you know, the best thing
I always thought for him and the process of his
catechsis and maybe even new fight get off the internet.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We've seen this with a lot of people who.
Speaker 10: You know, uh, big Internet presence and converted to Orthodoxy.
It's extremely difficult for and for their own humility and growth.
It would be best that I think, you know, get
out there, just log off.
Speaker 3: I mean, look what Roos did. I'm really proud of.
Speaker 6: Right, And that might be also because he kind of thought,
you know, he might want to go into monastic life.
I don't know if he has or that that was
kind of the rumor going around. That might have been
what spurred him to just leave the internet. But yeah,
I mean here's two versions of conversion that uh, you know,
Rouge was making a living on the internet, so he
was in many ways kind of giving.
Speaker 2: Up his his.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right by by deciding to become Orthodox and choosing
to you know, stop yapping on the internet for a while.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Kat Vonde is another example who you know, she she
doesn't she's not really a teacher, but you know, she
continues to do her music and talks about or shows
visual imagery of Orthodoxy. But she's not trying to like
teach everybody. She's not obnoxiously like on Twitter sounding off
against you know, everybody and every and all the you know,
all the people out there as if she knows better
when she's only been in this for what a year
or whatever?
Speaker 3: So shene Who's another good.
Speaker 10: Example, you know, he's a friend of mine. I'm going
to see him this weekend. But Scott Cloud, who's the
was the pastor.
Speaker 2: A megachurch pastor.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, think about what he had and I'm
going to bring him on. I'm an interview.
Speaker 3: I think he has what do they call that?
Speaker 10: It's an agreement with the church when he stepped down
that he would remain a quiet about it for a
period of time.
Speaker 3: What is that call? It's illegal?
Speaker 2: I don't know, an da.
Speaker 6: Yes, anyways, a mega church India.
Speaker 10: Here's a man who had celebrity status, he really did,
huge income and laid it all aside to become Orthodox,
probably like cast out a lot of a lot of
you know hate.
Speaker 3: That's an and he he hasn't gone on and been
like well, you know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 10: I'mna just roll this into a podcast or like I'll
build he knew the right way. He was like humbled
himself to step down out of the limelight. And that's
another somebody had a huge fallen, big celebrity status and
so I'm really proud of him too. Yeah, I mean,
just right ways and wrong ways to do things.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say, one can read.
Speaker 6: The other thing too, is to be kind of close
to your confessor or spiritual father when you're doing this,
because he's gonna be the one that guide you in.
Speaker 2: Something that you've talked.
Speaker 6: About that you've noticed a lot is that the people
who's inquiring in catechumen phases go bad, usually they stop
doing that and they go off on their own, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're making all their own decisions especially.
Speaker 10: I mean, look, we're not saying you can't have like
a online you know, and do stuff like that, but uh,
you should be You shouldn't be doing it by it.
You should be getting guidance from your spiritual and priests,
like what do I do? You know, how do I
move forward to this? If I have a public persona
or something like that, otherwise you're your own person. I mean,
first of all, I already do that, you know, with
my own social media and participate faith.
Speaker 3: I don't make my own decisions. I have a whole
board and.
Speaker 10: Priests where I'm like, this is a good idea, it's
going to be you know, what should I do?
Speaker 3: That's as orthodoxy.
Speaker 10: You know, And I'm not saying you need to call
your priests be like should I go to home people today?
Speaker 3: Or what about this?
Speaker 2: Or what like?
Speaker 10: You know what, I mean, you can get autistic about,
but you know what I'm generally saying, like you should
have the the insight to know, but like this is
an issue, perhaps it's a career decision that's gonna affect
you're like perhap apps and stuff that you're online, Like, yeah,
you should be talking to you a price about it.
You shouldn't be making your own decisions on And like
you said, no, I don't think these people are doing that.
And is it a shocker that they run off the
rails and start saying stuff and doing stuff? It's mal very.
Speaker 2: Orthodox, right alphinism, what's up? Man? I'm mute, thank you.
I appreciate that for alphinism. What's up? You want to
I'm mute.
Speaker 6: Alpha Alphonsie and I'm mute.
Speaker 2: You're on, You're on, Okay.
Speaker 3: Let me come.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna talk to uh my godsriend about tags but
that we're doing, and I'll get back to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll come back on Alphonsi and do you want
to talk? You're right here waiting on you. I'm mute.
You're a Roman Catholic and you waited this whole time
to not talk. Okay, good job, dude. It's raptor. What's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: It's raptor on you.
Speaker 6: Nobody knows how to work this, Like, hello, can you
hear me?
Speaker 3: How?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 16: Man?
Speaker 9: Hey?
Speaker 22: Just wanted to quickly say, first off, but I'm a
big fan of what you do.
Speaker 3: I appreciate what you're doing, and I'm a believer in God.
Speaker 22: But I guess the only question I had regarding the
transcendental argument, which is one that I believe firmly well,
one reputation that I see most commonly amongst atheists who
try to refute TAG is try to involve the plate
in his view to try to see if these transcendental
categories could be grounded in the materialistic world view, which
I know you have some contentions with. You can't really
ground things in the materialistic worldview. But as a beginner
to physics and philosophy and all these kinds of things,
I'm learning here, So I always wanted to ask you
how tag.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just look up the critiques that we have of
Platonism and neoplatonism. I mean, Platonism can't give an account
for why there is many versus one.
Speaker 2: It's just stated to be the case.
Speaker 6: Platonism has no justification for why one is metaphysically superior
to the many, for why eternality and states this is
metaphysically superior to change. Platonism has no way to ground
or relate the timeless, unchanging rum of the forms to
the world of flux and change, because the things are
cashed out in Platonism as opposites. So if they're opposites,
then there's no relationship between the two. And I know
that Plato thinks that there are analogous and participatory relations,
but it doesn't make sense as to why. So you
also need intentionality and personhood for the absolute. Plato's absolute
is an impersonal monad, and so there is no then
order or meaning in the world because this world is
ultimately in a diminished ontological status that is a pale
reflection of the ideal or the original or the one.
So this world is a prison, this world is a trap,
This world is something to escape from. And that's the
opposite of the Christian perspective, where this world is good,
this world is something to appreciate, and God stepped in
the time and space in order to heal this world
in this dimension, in this realm. That's the opposite of
the Platonic perspective. And so Platonism is based on a
lot of dialectics that it can't overcome. And again, if
reality as a whole is dysteleological or non intentional, then
you don't have a justification for telos tellos or meaning
because ultimate reality, the absolute, is impersonal, So you need
a personal deity for all of collective reality to be intentional.
D Hello, Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 9: Oh wow, that's crazy? How's going?
Speaker 2: What's crazy?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 9: I didn't I guess.
Speaker 18: I didn't expect to be accepted that quickly.
Speaker 6: How's it going, man, local, it's.
Speaker 18: Crazy, I'm fluent, It's not really so I just had
a question about your views on creationism and uh evolution.
And I've heard in clips from you before, and if
that's okay, if you're if that's a topic you're willing
to speak about, I guess.
Speaker 6: The topics are pretty much anything. Yeah, I don't believe
in macro evolution.
Speaker 2: I'm a skeptic of that, okay.
Speaker 18: And one of the things I've heard you say is
based on the underdeterminization of.
Speaker 15: Data, underdetermination or underdetermination of data. Sorry, And I guess
what you reference in that is that the data can
be interpreted either way.
Speaker 9: If I'm understanding that correctly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a topic in the philosophy of science. That
has to do with the fact that multiple paradigms can
interpret raw data accurately and sufficiently. So raw data itself
can't necessarily tell you which is the right paradigm.
Speaker 18: Right, And I guess wouldn't a prerequisite of that be
that the creation's paradigm explains the raw data sufficiently.
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 6: The point is that you could conceivably have in both
paradigms explanations for I don't know, endogenous retroviruses. Both a
creation account and a evolutionary account can say why we
see something like this, or why we see similarity in
DNA between a human and a chimp and a lizard.
So both models can explain that. And so the point
is that in most of the evolutionary or scientism dominated paradigms,
they think of these Hold on a second, they think
of the the data being able to tell you which
paradigm is true, and it doesn't. So the point is not.
The point is more than just that the creationist account
can account for the similarity in the in the in
the design of different beings.
Speaker 18: And when you say account for or explain, are you
using a scientific definition to consider that, or.
Speaker 6: It's a question of epistemology, meaning justification in a broader sense.
So I'm using the philosophical term in epistemology for how
we account for our paradigms, our world views, our presuppositions,
or axioms. Okay, philosophy of science is its own discipline.
If you take some philosophy courses or epistemology classes, you'll
get into what's called a niche discipline called philosophy of science.
And that's where this underdetermination of data thesis comes from.
Speaker 18: Okay, and I guess you know philosophy science. But when
you get down to actual science, wouldn't there be requisites
to being what can be adequately explained by a particular
model or another.
Speaker 2: Science?
Speaker 6: In terms of empirical sense, data cannot tell you what
paradigm model is correct because it goes beyond the purview
of scientific empirical sense data.
Speaker 2: That's a very limited tool.
Speaker 18: So do you Hey, science can't tell us what's wrong
and right, So you think that it can't tell you
what I.
Speaker 2: Said, So you're just making assumptions. You didn't listen to
what I said.
Speaker 6: I said, Okay, data is limited as empirical sense data
and can't tell you what paradigm or worldview is correct.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 18: A worldview would be a separate topic because a worldview
could be could be a misinterpretation as well correct.
Speaker 9: Like, wouldn't you have to the worldview that you.
Speaker 18: Know whether there is or isn't a god wouldn't necessarily
be Let me give an idea whether there is or
isn't evolution, or the Earth is or isn't.
Speaker 6: Don't you're not understanding what we're talking about here. I'm
talking about a domain of philosophy called epistemology, and you
continue to think of it in the realm of scientific experimentation.
I'm saying that epistemology is prior to that because it's
asking more fundamental, broader questions about how science is possible.
That's the issue at root that is being debated, not
whether or not we do science, or whether or not
science can tell us facts about the natural world. I'm
saying that science is like a tool, but a tool
can't tell you where the universe came from, or where even.
Speaker 2: The tool came from.
Speaker 6: The tool has a use, but it's limited in the
scope of what it can tell you. So the scientific method,
for example, can't tell you how we got the scientific method,
or whether the scientific method is reliable.
Speaker 18: Well, that would that would be a separate question, yes,
But I think the scientific method would be demonstrated reliable
by the fact that you use it.
Speaker 6: You should you should take in a pistemology class, because
you're just stating sort of basic stuff that is not
even you're missing the point of what we're asking.
Speaker 2: The fact that you use is something as I.
Speaker 18: Have I have.
Speaker 6: I can tell by what you're saying that you haven't
or you didn't list and you slept through it.
Speaker 18: Okay, I mean that's that's fair idea kind of avoiding
this seems like a way of you trying to avoid
the fact that you have no.
Speaker 6: You literally don't understand what I'm saying. You want it
to sound smart on the stream, and you're not aware
of the basics, and so you're not You don't even
know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Tell me what justified true belief is?
Speaker 9: I was actually just because what.
Speaker 2: Is justified true belief? Can I ask you what is
justified true belief?
Speaker 3: Can?
Speaker 9: Can I ask you what.
Speaker 2: Is justified true belief?
Speaker 18: Justified true belief, I would say, is a belief that
is demonstratably and repeatably true.
Speaker 2: No, that's not what justified true belief means.
Speaker 6: That would be the first class, that would be the
first thing that you would learn, because that's what you
learn early on in epistemology.
Speaker 2: Glasses.
Speaker 9: Okay, well I've taken one. It was a while ago.
Speaker 2: How are you not aware of the basics?
Speaker 18: Well, I mean I don't know, because it was, you know,
twelve years ago.
Speaker 9: And I'll do this every day like you, Jay.
Speaker 18: I'm honestly trying to have a conversation with you. I'd
like to ask you, Well, you have a.
Speaker 6: Question I'm slowly and precisely answering and working through every
question that you ask, and then you insert the insult
that I'm trying to avoid the questions that you're asking,
And that's what pisses me off. Why would I be
spending my time sitting here answering precisely your questions and
delineating the difference between a theory and a scientific thesis
and a paradigm if I'm trying to get away from
your questions.
Speaker 18: Okay, I didn't mean it as an insult, and I'm
sorry if I upset you.
Speaker 9: I really am not.
Speaker 18: I honestly had seen some of your videos. I was
coming to ask because when you say that one of
the paradigms, both paradigms can adequately explain the raw data, I.
Speaker 9: Don't understand that.
Speaker 18: So I was coming to ask what you see from
a creation perspective that would explain any of the data
we see.
Speaker 2: So let me give you an example.
Speaker 6: So, if I have a creationist model, if God created
all the beings in his image, and primarily man in
his image, and then the created order has a single origin,
a single creator, that's one reason why we would see
similarity between the DNA of a human and a chimpanzee. Right,
the let me finish the The evolutionary model also says
that I can explain the similarity, and that's because they
have a common descent and line of origin. So both
of those explanations explain.
Speaker 2: I'm not it doesn't.
Speaker 6: I know, you don't like one better than the other,
but they both have explanatory power. So you're misunderstanding that
under determination of data just simply means that you can't
just get more raw data because it's not going to
tell you which paradigm is correct, because both can have
explanatory power for the same data.
Speaker 2: That's all it means.
Speaker 6: It's not saying that Christianity is true because of underdetermination
of data thesis. That's the I never said that. It's
just simply saying that the data itself requires a theory,
and data is theory. Laden that's all it means.
Speaker 18: Okay, And so just to respond what you said, and
then I'll be done unless you have a follow up.
So what you just said was that's not a scientific
explanation explanation. It sounds in a two second bit like,
oh well it's again.
Speaker 2: You don't you don't even understand the bass.
Speaker 6: You don't even understand the basics because it's so stupid.
Speaker 2: Man. Honestly, what you're saying is so dumb. Man. I'm struggling.
Speaker 6: I've been very patient, and it's like, yeah, so, I mean,
you don't even understand what are the basics of philosophy
science and why that's prior to the doing of science.
And we can make this really simple, really quick. How
do you know the scientific method is.
Speaker 9: True because you test it? And if you can, how.
Speaker 2: Do you test the method itself?
Speaker 18: The method itself, You make predictions and they have explanatory powers.
Speaker 6: The method itself, you don't even understand. You can't even
understand the question I'm asking you. You think I'm asking
you if we do science and if science predicts things.
I'm asking you a higher order question the method itself,
the scientific method itself, is that under a microscope?
Speaker 9: No, it's a logical principle.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a logical principle.
Speaker 6: Is logic found under a microscope?
Speaker 9: No it's it's not.
Speaker 6: Oh so you believe in things that you can't see.
Speaker 9: I do believe in in thought, yes, Oh.
Speaker 2: So logic is thought. Yes, logic is thought. So the scientific.
Speaker 6: Method of describing thoughts society method is only in your head.
Speaker 18: That, yeah, what do you think is like floating around
or something?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 6: Right, so the scientific method is only in your head.
Speaker 2: Good job, dude.
Speaker 6: This is why it's impossible to talk to people who
are extremely confident in their ignorance.
Speaker 2: Eightly, what's up man?
Speaker 6: He didn't even realize that he was walking right into
the most ridiculous easy trap. Affirming that the scientific method
is thought and is in his head. Then you can't prove,
test it or verify it if it's only in your head.
And if you're a materialist, then what's in your head
is just random neurons firing and it's not even actually
a method.
Speaker 2: It's like a dream. Amazing. Eightly, what's up man? I'm you.
Let's up with Chalie. Thanks for having me up again.
Speaker 23: I just had a quick question I wanted to run
by you.
Speaker 19: Somebody sent me some.
Speaker 24: I think that Faraji guy or whatever his name is,
the guy that used to be Oriental orthodoxical. But it
made me think, and maybe you can drag meim wrong,
But it seems to me that these sol scripture enjoyers,
they are textualists.
Speaker 3: Basically, when it comes.
Speaker 23: To the Bible, but when it comes to like the Constitution,
they would be orthodox or an originalist. Do you see
that as like a contradictory standard between those two.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that they just kind of make
it up as they go.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've met Protestants who believe that Marbury versus
Madison was the beginning of the end of America because
the Supreme Court was operating like a papal magisterium. So
it just really depends on what Protestant you're even talking about,
Troy America, what's up? But I think ultimately overall it's inconsistent.
I'm just like these people who are like Reddit science people.
Speaker 2: They're so arrogant and so annoying, and.
Speaker 6: They don't even they had don't even know like how
much they don't know. And then they come on and
you tell them very precisely with your answers, and then they're.
Speaker 2: Like, who is avoiding when I'm asking you? Because the
scientific meth, dude, the sith.
Speaker 6: The scientific methods like this deity that they appeal to,
and then you start drilling into what it is, where
it is, how it is, how do we justify it?
And they just like said the stupidest stuff you've ever
you've ever thought of. The scientific method is thoughts, and
logic is thoughts in my head?
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. M Yeah, good Ques.
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I don't know, but if it's that closed,
it's probably probably gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Dylan, what's up, dude, Bob Dylan? What's on your mind?
Yee babe? You mean good man? Dylan Dylan, I'm you.
Speaker 22: Oh, sorry, I didn't realize I was up.
Speaker 3: Hey, j how's it going good?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 19: Hey? I wanted to kind of get your your thoughts
on UH. It's a topic about dispensationalism. So with UH,
I've changed my view over the years. But I came
across a paper I wrote for a class about two
years ago, got talked about dispense. Say, now, I kind
of want to understand I guess the Orthodox perspective of
how they answer what at that time I saw as
a pitfall, which was, if the Church is the continuation
of Israel, that's is that the crict teaching?
Speaker 26: Yeah, okay, So if there's a continuation.
Speaker 19: Of Israel, the true Israel, when you have.
Speaker 27: Commandments from the Old Testament, like in the Ten Commandments,
things like observing the Sabbath being for you know, all generations,
and then.
Speaker 19: The traditional Saturday Sabbath is no longer a held tradition,
what I guess is like the justification for that.
Speaker 6: So it's not a contradiction, right, So the eternal Sabbath,
Hebrews four says, was fulfilled when Christ rested in the
tomb and when he rested at the.
Speaker 2: Right hand of the Father in the ascension.
Speaker 6: So Hebrews four clears that up for you and tells
you that it is eternal Sabbath, and it is the
Sabbath rest that we have in Christ ultimately in the resurrection,
which is a present reality that he brought at his
first advent and especially at the Ascension. So Hebrews four
answers your question. And the Orthodox Church on Saturday vesper services,
we actually do still honor the seventh Day. So you
should read Hebrews and maybe read Hebrews three or four
times through Jacob.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 2: But good question.
Speaker 19: Hey, hey, j can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Uh huh?
Speaker 3: Hey, So I was want to call in because.
Speaker 5: That's all you were talking about, Doug Wilson and Cerric
and all that.
Speaker 3: My close immediate family is all Cerric. My dad is
actually a elder in the church there, Okay, And so
I wanted to just call and ask you, like what
you think?
Speaker 4: But how how can I talk to them about Christian nationalism?
Speaker 25: What's your opinion on that sort of thing?
Speaker 3: Like what do you think on that? Like what the
main refute like defeats for that?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I have a lot of older talks
on how the nation state should be Christian. But the
problem is that you can't have a Christian nation state
without a single church. So, for example, we know that
you know, God doesn't want the worship of foreign God's entities,
et cetera. So if you're going to use this model
of Israel as kind of a model for a Christian
state or Christian theocracy, how are you going to legislate
or you know, choose between what kinds of crazy cults
and sex are allowed, for example, kind of Jehovah's witness
continue to have their quote worship and their proselytization in
a Christian civilization or society. I mean, if you're consistent
with it, No, you can't. You have to you have
to not have anti trinitarian groups. Okay, well where's the line.
Well that's because there's one church church. So that what
they're missing is that you can't have pan Protestantism and
have a Christian theocracy. Are you going to unite with
the tens of thousands of different skittles, fake ass Christian
groups and sex out there. I mean, that's insane, It's
never gonna work. It's crazy. The only way to have symphonia,
which is what these idiots are looking for, which is
the history of the church, is to have one church.
You're not gonna have Protestant Symphonia, you idiots. So it's
first and foremost heresy because Doug Wilson is an anti
Trinitarian heretic, it appears. Secondly, you got to have the
Orthodox faith to have a Christian government because you need
the Church to coronate in a coronation service the Christian
ruler or emperor or king. That's the entire history of
the Orthodox and the Christian Church in the East, and
even the Latin Church the West had the same basic
model until I don't know, even in the Middle Ages,
like the the Latin Church still understood, you know, the
two spheres of governance between church and state. To a degree,
even the pope was like overstepping his bounds and becoming
himself the Quiza's haterac they still had.
Speaker 2: The same idea.
Speaker 6: So that's what the Byzantine Eagle is intended to signify.
It's two heads of the same body, right, church and
state working together in Symphonia. But what all of these
idiots who are probably going to be baited by a
bunch of Feds don't understand is that it doesn't work
with Calvinism and Protestantism because those are not real churches
and they're sects that don't have any authority or historicity
other than a few hundred years of Calvinism and whatever, Lutheranism, whatever.
It has to be the Church that existed from the beginning,
because that church alone has the authority from Christ, because
it has apostolic succession. Doug Wilson has no episotic succession.
Doug Wilson has his own made up denomination and sect.
How in the world could we join together with zillions
of schismatics, heretics and crazy cult people to form a
Christian It's insane, it's idiotic. But they're right about one thing,
which is that it's true that if Christians are beat
down and told to be whimps and losers and weak,
that the atheist, the Satanists, the secularist, the whatever, the
Zionists they're not, they will they will take power. You're
only evil if you want power as a Christian. That's
supposed to be somehow evil or something. That's not the
history of the church. Okay, But it's also not Joel
Webon or Smug Wilson or any of these people taking
power and becoming their own cult leaders as they are
without actual.
Speaker 2: Historical, normative authority.
Speaker 6: You also, don't convert the nation by converting the government.
This is so dumb. I can't believe that people are
so naive to fall for this or to think that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, man, we'll just gather together with JD. Events and
Doug Wilson and all the right wing Christians and we'll
create a Christian government and then we'll enact Christian lawls
and it'll be a new Calvinist Orthodox tradcat Byzante.
Speaker 6: You you're just fed baite, you dummy. The only way
that you have a Christian Orthodox government is when the
majority of the people have converted to Orthodoxy and they
want it. It's not gonna work to force that top down. However,
the one thing that all of these people are correct
about is that somebody.
Speaker 2: Will exercise power.
Speaker 6: And if Christians are so stupid as to think that,
and this is ultimately a Reformation heresy. Okay, it's not
a tradcat heresy. This is ultimately a heresy out of
the Reformation and the spread of Evangelicalism and all this stuff.
Is to think that somehow the state is anti is
antithetical to God, as if God didn't create the state,
and if as if authority in the state also doesn't
come from God.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: So when the when the early Church converted the Roman Empire,
not by force, but by three centuries of martyrs. The
emperors became Christian eventually, and they began after Theodosius and
after Justinian to enact Christian laws. Look up the Code
of Justinian. Okay, so it took three, four or five
six hundred years to do that. You're not going to
get that with fed tards forcing the government to be
Christian nationalists, with Vance and Teel or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 6: But I mean a lot of this I think also
kind of dupes and appeals to like naive twenty year
old guys that are genuinely want to be right wing
and concerned. I was the same way right when I
was twenty. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm a Calvinist reconstructionist.
I liked Doug Doug Wilson. I used to read Doug
Wilson back when I was twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's make it.
Speaker 6: We're gonna convert America to you know, reform Christianity.
Speaker 2: And you know I was.
Speaker 6: I was a hardcore reconstructionist back in the day. And
even when I was a Calvinist Reconstructionist, reading Bonson and
Van Till and Rush Juni and Doug Wilson and James
Jordan and Gary North.
Speaker 2: I read all these guys. One thing that stuck out
to me.
Speaker 6: I had an argument with my Calvinists pastor one day,
and it illustrates the problem with this idiotic position. And
that was over whether or not Jovah's witnesses in the
Christian theocracy would be allowed to exist and do their
thing because the Reconstructionist Calvinists pastor that I had he
argued that they would be allowed to because they named
the name Jehovah. And he said, if they followed with
the laws of the Reconstructionist Calvinist Christian National Estate, they
could exist and have their thing. I argued, no, wait
a minute, because blasphemy or teaching against the One True
God is like the number one, you know, that's pretty
high up in the Ten Commandments, So why would we
allow an aryan sect?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: By that logic, Muslims.
Speaker 2: Would also exist in that society.
Speaker 6: Right, So I realized that what that highlights is Protestantism's
church relativism, right because of the invisible Church doctrine because oh,
we're all actually Christians, bro and ecumenism is ultimately a
Protestant heresy, even if it was promoted and taught by
the papacy Originally, you could argue it's not going to
work when nobody has a shared common Christian faith.
Speaker 2: Duh, you need the same faith. The same state works.
Speaker 6: That's how Byzantium was the most successful empire in world history,
or at least in Western civilizational history, with the most
successful currency for eleven hundred years.
Speaker 2: The bezant.
Speaker 6: Was because they had the same faith, and they had
the same emperor, and they had kings together united with
the same faith. That's how it worked. It doesn't work.
Look at when the Protestants arose. You had Protestant nation
states with state rulers behind the various Reformation movements except
for Zwingli, right, I mean maybe he's Wingley had some
degree of political power. But you know in Geneva, Calvin
kind of becomes a sort of theocrat. Luther has the
German princess supporting him.
Speaker 2: Mike is cutting out. Shouldn't be glitching? What's glitching? Let
me see? Does this sound good?
Speaker 6: That's weird because it reads consistent stream consistent. Let me
check the notifications to see, Oh, there was a brief
Internet disconnection. It's storming, so it might be because there's
a storm outside.
Speaker 2: Are we good?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: If you it refresh, can everybody hear me? Everything good? Okay?
Speaker 6: So I think it was just a brief snapfood because
of the storm. But yeah, anyway, So that's the point
is that, you know, when you read the first thousand
years of Christianity, you realize that there's a close parallel
between the one orthodox Catholic faith that everyone has and
the state, which is the aid and the supporter and
the diaconos to that church. And so ultimately it is
the church that has the divine authority to coorinate the king,
the ruler, the emperor. And it does not work obviously
when there's twenty thousand different competing faiths. Obviously that's nonsensical theology.
What's up do you want to imute?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Well, hey, yeah, so what do you think about like
an episodic agnostic that uses Lewis and logic as a
justification for like, you know, you see logic.
Speaker 6: I'm not a specialist in logic theories, so you could
ask that to if somebody like FDA who has a
degree in that. But different theories about how logic works
isn't going to work to make sense of a whole paradigm.
So even if you could find an alternate version of
logical justification or something like that, like, how is that
going to explain objective morals or any of the other
issues that come up, like universals or metaphysics?
Speaker 3: All right, And have you seen the video.
Speaker 28: By g about like the like the refutation attag. It's
like a video like some Christian like trying to refute
tag and he's like talking about it.
Speaker 3: It's like a it's like one of your channels.
Speaker 6: No I don't, I don't run JUB runs the JUB channel,
not me.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, all that all that was unknown to me.
Speaker 2: Jacob the Latter Day Saint, Uh oh, here we go. Hello, Yes, sir, hey,
I was just.
Speaker 26: Curious if you I'm a Latterday Saint. I was curious
if you ever read the Book of Mormon, if you
have any thoughts on it, any major objections.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I mean I've read significant portions of it.
Speaker 2: I have Bruce R.
Speaker 6: Mcconky's Mormon Doctrine Book over there, do you believe that
Adam was a man, or that God was a man
and is a man that became God.
Speaker 26: I do believe that the Father had a mortal experience.
My question is more around the content.
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, you don't want to go to the
Adam God doctrine, So we could I.
Speaker 26: Just I just particularly was interested in your thoughts on
the Book of Mormons. This is the key tone of
our religion.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, the fact that Joseph Smith wrote himself
into Genesis fifty is a I think the kill shot.
Speaker 2: For why it's a fraud? Do you have it?
Speaker 26: Do you have any thoughts on like the like the
Book of Mormon?
Speaker 2: So you don't want to talk about the kills. You
don't want to talk about the kill shots to your religion.
Speaker 29: That's not what I came up to ask.
Speaker 2: So you don't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you didn't come up to ask the things that
would refew the religion.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 6: So why would I believe a man who wrote himself
into Genesis fifty If you don't want to take th
Why would I believe the Book of Mormon if he
wrote himself in. So you're not going to answer the
question exactly because you can't.
Speaker 3: Can you ask it again?
Speaker 6: Why would I believe the Book of Mormon coming from
a guy who wrote himself into Genesis fifty to predict himself.
Speaker 26: The argument I'd make is that the Book of Mormon
is the ancient document that preserves a prophecy.
Speaker 6: Did you hear what I said? Why would I believe
him in the Book of Mormon if he wrote himself
into Genesis fifty that would cancel out anything to do
with anything from him.
Speaker 26: The introduction of the prophecy in Jenesis fifty is sourced
from the Book of Mormon, and so when he does
his Jesus translation.
Speaker 3: He inserted the prophecy.
Speaker 6: So Genesis, okay, Genesis fifty. You understand that we have
like multiple copies of Genesis from varying traditions for thousands
of years prior to Joseph Smith.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 6: My claim here is so you're not going to talk
about that. So, but there's no but why would why
would none of those copies contain Joseph Smith in Genesis
fifty until Joseph Smith translates it and magically it suddenly
predicts him.
Speaker 26: Do you think that the Bible today's all revelation ever
given to a prophet?
Speaker 3: Do you think it's impossible?
Speaker 6: What do you think a mark of a prophet is?
Speaker 2: That's not my questions, So you're not going to answer.
You're not going to ask you a question.
Speaker 3: You didn't answer.
Speaker 6: Your question assumes that a prophet is somebody who can
write themselves into a book, and we just take his
word question.
Speaker 26: That we do you think it's possible that revelation?
Speaker 2: You're not in a prophet?
Speaker 6: If I write myself into Genesis fifty and I say
that it's predicting me, wouldn't you think I'm a con man?
Speaker 10: If you came to.
Speaker 26: Me and said, hey, look there's a prophecy I received,
it's about me.
Speaker 3: It proves I'm a prophet. Yes, but that's not what
he did.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what he did. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 6: Where before, Jenn Where before Joseph Smith? Where before Joseph Smith?
Was Joseph Smith? And Genesis fifty name a tax or
tradition and has.
Speaker 2: Anything like that?
Speaker 3: I don't claim that they.
Speaker 6: Do because it came from him. And you're saying that
we trust him because the Book of Mormon. But the
Book of Mormon is where we get Genesis fifties predictions
of him.
Speaker 2: It's a circle, so the it's a circle.
Speaker 26: If yeah, the syllogism would not be a circle. It
would be if the Book of Mormon is true.
Speaker 6: You already told me that Genesis fifty comes from the
Book of Mormon, And I asked you why I should
believe the Book of Mormon if he writes himself into
Genesis fifty, and you said, because the Book of Mormon.
Speaker 2: So it's a circle.
Speaker 26: Let me rephrase it just in case I didn't say it. Well,
my syllogism would be, if the Book of Mormon is true,
then Joseph Smith is a prophet.
Speaker 3: Is that a circle?
Speaker 2: Are you seriously that stupid?
Speaker 6: Because that was not how the argument went before.
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 6: That's not that's not even a valid syllogism, like you
don't if if that's the thing in question, dude, why
would I believe Joseph Smith when he translates Genesis fifty
about himself and adds things about himself that were never
in any previous texts of Genesis from Jews, Christians, or
anyone else prior to Joseph Smith.
Speaker 3: I'll repeat my question with.
Speaker 2: All right, this is.
Speaker 6: Why no one listens to you too, dumb dude, Good God, Seth.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 6: So you believe Genesis fifty, he said, because it's in
the because of the Book of Mormon. Why would I
believe the Book of Mormon. Well, because of the Book
of Mormon is the validation of jose Smith being a prophet.
But why would I believe Josephith is a prophet if
Genesis fifty is the evidence against him being a prophet
because he wrote himself into it. Because the Book of
Mormon is what Genesis fifty is about.
Speaker 2: That's the thing in question. Dude, Seth, Hey man.
Speaker 21: I don't know how you do it. I don't know
how you debate these guys going back to the scientific method. Yeah,
you know, I wonder if any of them have read
like do I'm kwine or.
Speaker 9: I just feel like they have this of course, yeah.
Speaker 21: So, but my question is regarding free will and determinism,
and ultimately I think it's like a paradox.
Speaker 9: I don't think we can really know.
Speaker 21: I mean, obviously, I think you have to have you
have to assume we have free will in order to
even get off the ground.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you're just like what.
Speaker 21: Are you in a you know, a robot, you know,
I mean like, but my question is regarding your stance
of primary verse secondary causation.
Speaker 9: So like, if my problem is like, if.
Speaker 21: God is the sustaining cause to what like enables my
very existence and capacity to choose in the first place,
then how can my actions be truly free in a
way that like absolves God of ultimately responsibilities.
Speaker 9: That makes sense.
Speaker 6: Well, again, it's based on divine revelation that we are
told that God creates a world where there's secondary causes.
So God, being all powerful, has the ability to do that.
There's nothing about the metaphysics of the world that necessitates
that God must be the direct cause of every action.
And our entire Christology is built around the fact that
Christ possesses a divine will and a human will and volition.
That means that as a human and being truly human
and fully human, he can actually cause and do things
in a human way in the world. So to take
away that would be ultimately to destroy all Christology. And
that's actually, by the way, what Calvinism does is it's
christologically a heresy and it's a trinitarian heresy. But I mean,
there's not some like algorithm that proves that there's secondary causes.
We believe their secondary causes because it's revealed in scripture
that it is that that there are.
Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I think free will kind of
ironically comes through submission. Like, for instance, if me and
you're going to play freely play a game of chess,
we first have to submit to the rules of the game,
right does that makes sense?
Speaker 6: But it's a property of nature. So to have human
nature requires the ability to actually be a cause in
the world. So I'm not sure what you mean by submission.
So having free will requires I mean it sounds like calvinism,
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 21: No, I'm saying like like if me and you were
going to play the game of chess, right, if we decided, hey,
let's play the game of chess.
Speaker 6: Understood the analogy. I just don't understand how it's relevant
to what we're talking about.
Speaker 21: Well, it was sort of just a parlaying off what
you were talking about. It wasn't, you know, directly correlated.
Speaker 9: I'm not.
Speaker 21: I'm a compatibilist myself, so I'm not like a Calvinist.
I'm just playing Devil's advocate here, Like, if if someone
were to say, well, God is the actual sustaining of
my freedom in the first place, do you not see
how that would be like maybe a good argument for
not having free will. So if I set up the
game and then you know, something happens within that game,
I'm the one who set it up in the first place.
Speaker 2: But setting up the game.
Speaker 6: Part of the laws and rules of the game is
that the beings have their own causal power.
Speaker 21: But what I'm saying is is their very causal power
is being sustained through God. Like right now, you're neural.
Speaker 6: Being sustained doesn't mean that you don't have causal power. Again,
that's just assuming that God is the immediate cause of
your causation.
Speaker 21: Wouldn't it take away from God's omnipotence.
Speaker 6: Still, No, only if you're an occasionalist, and that's what Muslims, Sony,
Muslims are, and we are not occasionalists.
Speaker 9: Okay, well that was my question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, being the sustainer of the universe does
not necessitate that you're the direct cause of every object
or every event or every being in the universe. It
just means that you've given these beings. The ability to
be caused is and that's why we talk about energies.
Energies in terms of human nature and human will, and
every being or human nature having the property of acting
according to its nature means that that's what's meant by sustaining.
It's not being like the direct cause. So sustaining is
not the same as causing. Mars make it quick, please,
I want people to disagree.
Speaker 17: I'm playing a little ketchup some a little behind your video.
But you were talking about how if a group would
come to take power, it's not uh top what is it?
From top to bottom is from bottom bottom up is
how you do it? Were you saying that's how it
works in general, or it's never happened where a minority
group or minority ideological group in a country.
Speaker 2: Or in a nation.
Speaker 6: We're not in a situation where where we're run by
a Viking king who converts and then tells everybody else
to convert.
Speaker 2: That's not the reality of the world today.
Speaker 17: I see you're you're saying in our context, it's really not.
Speaker 2: Obviously that's what I mean.
Speaker 17: Okay, yeah, because I'm sure like in church history even.
Speaker 2: There was, but we're not in the Middle Ages. We
don't have Viking lords. Dude. I'm not trying to be rude.
It's just obviously that's what I meant. Katie. What's up? Man?
Mapped up?
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Speaker 2: Tom. I was eating these other things, trying to trying
to calm down. What's up man? I'm you look you
get mean? He's get mean. We got it, We got it. No, no, no,
you don't got you don't got me. I'm still loving.
I'm still nice. I'm eating a ginger chu. You don't
have you don't have me. You don't got me. You
can't expose me, expose you clip it exposure. We got
to these means. Yeah, I meaning a gender to you know,
I'm gonna be nice and loving. Now.
Speaker 6: It's gonna calm my anger beats. I don't have diabetes.
I got anger beats. Anger beats. It's calming right now.
Breathe Bart and Hernie.
Speaker 17: This j.
Speaker 5: Hey, So I was told to call in. I have
been a I was praised from Catholic all my life.
Recently in my like you know, adulhood. You yeah, my friends.
So usually I got some friends that are a really
big fan of made to say, oh, talk to Ja,
talk to Jay, you would.
Speaker 10: Know the answers to these questions.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, so again raised Roman Catholic still still
go to Mass every Sunday. But I again, like I'm
kind of just losing faith a little bit in the
sense that I'm tired of kind of the Catholic guilt harying.
I guess that I get all the time, and I'm
wondering if, like there's a difference between that and Orthodox Christianity.
And second to that, like, you know, part of the
problem with I guess the guilt and horagne that the
Catholic Church does is the idea that you know, you
might touch on this before I called in, but the
idea of like a nation state or whether we're allowed
to protect our borders or anything like that. I mean,
it's just I don't know, I'm curious to see what
you have to say about that compared to what I
hear every Sunday.
Speaker 6: So yeah, So the last hour was about Christian nationalism
and the Christian state. What's appropriate when that's appropriate, of course,
we would have the right to defend your borders. Every
Christian country in the history of the Church has operated
with basic principles of self defense. So yes, I would
say that between Orthodox and Roum Catholicism, there's a very
different ethos of what it means to undergo healing in
the Church, to participate in the sacrament. It is far
less legalistic and far less obsessed with telling up, you know,
violations and this kind of stuff. We do confession, but
it's a lot more intimate. It's a lot more personal
and based on you rather than the sort of mechanistic,
sort of rote process of how confession happens in the
Roman Catholic world. Because I've experienced both. So, I mean,
the quick answer to your questions is, yes, it is different,
and yes Christian nations should be able to defend their borders.
Speaker 5: Secondary question of that then, like so is there's still
kind of a one I guess parable that I have
like a I don't know, not a gripe with but
I try And I've heard different omilies about this. It's
Luke eighteen nine through fourteen about the Pharisee attack, Colick.
I'm just curious to see, like, what how would you
explain it? I see it like Luke eighteen nine through
fourteen about the pharisee and the tax collector.
Speaker 2: Okay, what about it?
Speaker 5: So like in the in the in the parable, you know,
the tax collector is viewed as the better person, even
though he's saying, God, have mercy on it. I'm a sinner,
and the pharisee is saying, you know, God, thank you
for not making me a robber, a guture anything like that. However,
it's just curious to me.
Speaker 25: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, could you explain it better than I don't know?
But what I always hear is just like you're no
matter what you do, and you're always going to be
a sinnerat there's no you know, feeling good about yourself.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think all of the passages have
to be interpreted in the light of all the other passages,
so like we don't only read this passage and then oh,
I'm never actually correct about something, because then I would
be the pharisee. In the Orthodox Church, for example, you
have a liturgical cycle where this passage is read at
a point in the year. So I think, in God's wisdom,
in God's providence, he arranged it such that there is
a time in the year where we are reminded of this,
and we reflect on our own tendencies to be pharisees.
But we wouldn't take this example and make it universal
and absolute in all cases, as if you could never
be right about something and say somebody else's bad. Similarly,
you could think about you know, Jesus says, do not
judge before the measure that you met out, it will
be met it to you. But also in John seven
he says, judge with righteous judgment. So the issue is
not being correct or being a sinner, because we are
all sinners. We are all at times going to be correct.
We're all at times going to be wrong. It's everything
in its season.
Speaker 2: If you think about.
Speaker 6: Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, you know, Solomon says there's a time
for war, there's a time for peace, there's a time
to laugh, there's a time to cry and repent. Like
there's times and seasons for all these things, and a
lot of heresies and a lot of misinterpretations. And I'm
not somewhat used specifically, but just like in general, overlooks
this and absoluteizes this thing, that thing, this verse or
that verse.
Speaker 2: Cracker.
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Speaker 2: What's up, creator, cretter, you want to I'm.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm Orthodox in Russia, but I still can figure
out this thing with atheists.
Speaker 3: Let's say I'm an atheist.
Speaker 4: And your Orthodox, and okay, I assume you know knowledge, objective, reality,
truth and so on and so forth, and jewishm God
who explains all of these trends, and then the categories.
So why is my set of some of assumptions any
worse than your set of assumptions?
Speaker 6: Well, TAG is not just about sets of assumptions. TAG
is about whose assumptions can provide justification or who can
justify their assumptions, whose explanation has who has explanatory power
and can provide justified true belief. So it's not just
a matter of having assumptions, it's who's assumptions actually can
do the work of grounding.
Speaker 4: So basically, you know, Christian worldview is more coherent.
Speaker 2: And that's just one aspect of it. It's not just
about coherence.
Speaker 6: It's also uh, you know, giving an account for how
those things are possible, what those things are, for example, universals,
laws of logic, et cetera.
Speaker 2: History as well. History is a part of ethics.
Speaker 6: Yeah, making sense of ethical norms, objective morals, et cetera.
Speaker 4: So yeah, to me, it also makes more sense that
God exists.
Speaker 3: But you know, if we are being very.
Speaker 4: Formal, and you know, an if an atheist really clings
to their opinion, you know, they'll say, you assume God
the way the same way I assume everything about the reality.
So what's seeing different?
Speaker 10: The reason, the reason why is they believe in acts
of the metalism. So accidentalism, which is the denial of God,
makes knowledge impossible. So it'd be like if somebody who's
trying to do mathematics or something like that, somebody's like, well,
I assume numbers or something like that, and another person says,
I assume rocks or something. Well, obviously rocks or whatever
other assumption doesn't make mathematics possible.
Speaker 3: The atheist is in a worse situation, they're.
Speaker 10: Actually assuming something that makes their knowledge claims, even about atheism, impossible, right,
So yeah, we all assume stuff. First of all, you
got to get your assumptions in the right categories. If
you're assuming, you want to assume number and magnitude and
stuff like that for mathematics and.
Speaker 3: Not cake and eggs and stuff like that.
Speaker 10: So you can automatically remove some body who's just categorically
in the wrong category. But what's worse is when you
assume stuff that makes that actual thing impossible. Yes, and
these lead to contradict I mean, this is exactly how
we do reductions. So we all.
Speaker 3: Assume stuff that's not what's in question. He thinks, well,
it's just.
Speaker 10: So the problem that you're asking is you think, well,
everybody's assumptions are just as equal and they work for anything.
Like nobody in the right mind believes that about anything.
So I don't know where you're getting that from, but
that's just retarded, but it misses the greater kind of point.
They're assuming something.
Speaker 2: What's that.
Speaker 6: I appreciate the question the father DEI there was a
guy in here a minute ago. I don't know if
he's still here he might want to come back. The
guy who asked a question about Lewis logic, he was saying,
what if I don't take a you know, classical approach
to logic. I believe in something Lewis based logic. I
don't always talking about consistent.
Speaker 2: Oh that question, Yeah, we've you've had you've dealt with
that before. I didn't realize that's what it was a
million times. So these para.
Speaker 3: Consistent logics they're developed to deal with specific things. They're
not claiming to be the overall kind of.
Speaker 10: Universal logic behind everything. And so, in other words, with
some of these para consistent.
Speaker 3: Logics, all they realize.
Speaker 10: Is that maybe in some instances the law of exclude
the middle doesn't apply. And how would you develop a
logic that It's like, we're fine with that, but what's
so stupid if.
Speaker 3: You think that that's an apps?
Speaker 10: Well, what if I develop another theory logically that the
accept you know, because what they're really trying to do
is get out of the disjunct right, the either or right. Yeah,
there might be situations we all know that that there's
a like false psychotomies, for example, and you might want
to develop a logic. But if it's a universal logic
that denies disjuncts in the logs through the middle it
self refuting why, well, is it true or is it
not true? Your parent consistent logic? Do you see what
the problem is if you make it absolute? So no,
it doesn't get you out of the problem. And furthermore,
they're missing the cause. Just talking with Tony and my
godson about this. Who might want to come to the
conference on Florida by the way, Uh, you know, working
on this book with Russ before he passed.
Speaker 3: But what do we notice, Jade?
Speaker 10: They get lost in the stupid maze of semantic sorcery
and fills what about this? It's like, it's really easy.
It's either accidentalism or intentionalism. Right, you're making it much
more complicated than anything it actually has to be. And
so here's a question, and this goes into the whole account.
Who cares if you create another logic that's not a justification.
It's like with the scientists are like the mathematic work
so that it must be true.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 10: The mathematics doesn't prove anything. You just want your scientific
theory to.
Speaker 3: Obviously be mathematically consistent.
Speaker 10: Stuff like that, but you have a kind of a
theory of under determination of data. With that, it's like
you can build multiple systems, Yeah, with different logic systems.
That's not an objection to why, because we're not we're
not putting logic behind God. Whatever logic system you build, right,
if it's true or jspiratory in any sense, it's going
to be because of God. So you're you're missing the
kind of bigger question because you're getting bogged down on
the weeds, don't you.
Speaker 6: Think, Yeah, Jacob Cabe five dollars, Jay, I'm trying to
find the clip where the black guy says what that
means at a live event. I think you're talking about
the bryceon Grade debate, because Uh, in the well, it's
he says it twice in the debate he says what
that is when not talking about a fallacy?
Speaker 2: And he says what that is?
Speaker 6: And then at the live event which was with Dave
Gordon and I don't remember when he comes on, but
it's when Bryson comes on at the live event.
Speaker 2: What's up, man? Do you want to say something? Josh?
Speaker 29: Yeah, Yeah, I had a question on Saint Constantine. I've
been kind of like researching the saints reiously and I've
been searching his story and I know there's a ton
of controversy on like whether it was a pagan or
whether he was like trying to claim himself as God.
And I was just really confused because I am Orthodox
Christian myself, but I'm in Kataqusis and I was just
studying him. I'm confused on whether he was just good
for the councils and that's where we attribute him as
to be a saint, and there were some things that
the other saints, so.
Speaker 3: You can't be a saint and just be good for
the church.
Speaker 29: Like, yeah, I was just heading the part that were
we just agree how we disagree, for example, and like
with a quaintness on certain things where he necessarily didn't
know that he was in heresy, but that at his
time it hasn't been discussed yet.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if we well, Acquintic isn't in the church.
So that's an easy one.
Speaker 29: Yes, yes, because they were they were showing like his
arch and things like that, and I was listening to
the stories where like I totally believe, but I was
just saying that, like, is there anything that is to
prove that he was actually for Orthodoxy, and if if
there is, can I get an example so I can
read about it, because when I look at it on YouTube,
where I try to search about it, all of it
is constantly you know, trying to play the devil's advocate
rather than like you know, telling a truthful side.
Speaker 3: It's always like a well if.
Speaker 10: Right there, that's worthy is becoming a saint, because you
know what, we did have a un come along noneun
less would be Christian in the Orthodox today.
Speaker 20: True.
Speaker 29: Yeah, he Like on my first kind of real encounter
with trying to understand his story, it was just immediate
controversy rather than like most other stories with the Saints,
it's a pretty based and simple story or it's very coherent.
With him, I guess there is just constant controversy also.
I guess with him being a politician, you know, like
as an emperor, there could be like questioning for that.
Speaker 10: But I was just wondering all sense, like they hate Constantine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 29: I used to be a Protestant, so I used to
be really critical of all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the all stuff it's just demonic chatter. He can
just ignore it.
Speaker 29: Yeah, okay, cool, because That's that's what I'm saying. You know,
it was a real history video. That's what it's actually called.
The Uh it's like the controversy of Constantine on YouTube.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was saying.
Speaker 29: Everybody just tries to always play Devil's advocate, and I
don't know if there was just any legitimacy to that
in any of these stories at all, Like if there
was a little bit that played in part of it
or not, because you know, reading about his mother and stuff,
I mean there's real churches that she founded, and and
like there's there is evidence to speak and especially with
him converting the Roman Empire, I mean, there is evidence
to speak for his conversion to Christianity rather than just
playing Devil's advocate.
Speaker 3: But it still just sometimes makes me wonder.
Speaker 29: And uh, like I said, just to get the full
perspective of stuff, I didn't know if there was some
flaws with them.
Speaker 6: All right, thank you appreciate that question. But yeah, moving
on clouds.
Speaker 2: What's up? By the way I found it.
Speaker 6: I don't know why it's titled this, but Mike, that
guy who's a triadcat, maybe he doesn't want people seeing
this video because like Dave Gordon didn't do good. But
here it is, and then Bryson comes on some point
in the end, Q and A.
Speaker 2: I don't know where. It's pretty funny though, dude.
Speaker 3: Look at that fan in the back of What is
that thing?
Speaker 6: Dude, it's a venue in Nashville called I think the Foundry.
It's just a it's like a old it's like a
warehouse they converted into an event venue.
Speaker 19: Dude.
Speaker 3: I've seen that it's in Twin Peaks, Dude that.
Speaker 2: It's actually a pretty nice venue.
Speaker 6: In fact, I think they I think they actually charged
a little too much for this venue.
Speaker 2: So let's see.
Speaker 6: Somewhere in here is Bryson. I don't know where though,
somebody's probably tagged it in the comments, so.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's right here. You can go find it. In
the last third. Man, I'm getting a super headache, dude.
This is awful. What's up? Clouds?
Speaker 3: Hi Jay, thanks a lot for your body of work.
It's helped me out immensely.
Speaker 30: I just had a question and I'm hoping you can
expand and give me some depth on what it means
to know God. And I'd like to just say a few.
Speaker 3: Scripture is just a pinpoint where I'm at. The Hebrew word.
Speaker 30: For no God is yadda, and it says like in Genesis.
Speaker 3: Adam who or yadda eve?
Speaker 30: And then Cain was born, and we see like Jesus
saying in Matthew.
Speaker 3: Seven twenty one, you know not everyone.
Speaker 30: Will enter and they'll say Lord, Lord, Lord, and.
Speaker 3: He'll say, you know, depart from me.
Speaker 6: I never knew you.
Speaker 30: And there's no shortages of God saying, you know, be
still and know I'm God. So I'm hoping you can
sort of expand on what this layer of intimacy is
behind and knowing of God.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean again in the Orthodox conception, and
that's a great question. It's just it's simply more than
just knowing, you know, abstract facts about God or knowing
about the Bible and theology. It's having a relationship. And
that's why the sacraments are there to really solidify that relationship.
That's why Jesus gave us that feeding on him, as
he mentions in John six, that participation in the uncreated
divine life, so truly knowing Him is an actual participatory
relationship beyond just.
Speaker 2: The abstract fuel my fire. But great question.
Speaker 6: I would actually say that theosis is precisely what that is.
Let me rid a couple of these superchats because they're
piling up here. You miss my superchat about roasting bust
down at Julie.
Speaker 2: Apologize that for that schizo rant.
Speaker 6: Three dollars, No, we did them, Sorry, Jewish Skeptic, ten
dollars step into the water, just kidding. You can also
do before any year, such as twenty nineteen, after typing
into Google Search, and it will actually filter all the
results after that date.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 6: So you can actually get the Internet prior to the
Dead Internet, even on Google. But you have to space
suffy to filter the results before twenty nineteen or something.
But Google is still faking gray though, God bless Thank you.
Jewish Skeptic. Appreciate that. Jenny P five dollars. I'm a
newbie here. I listen to Brandon Tatum. Brandon Tatum debunk
the Orthodox nun on Tucker. I swear it is right
for your perspective. Have a look at it.
Speaker 2: Maybe or no, Okay, I don't know who Brandon Tatum is.
Speaker 20: Brandon Tatum, the black dude.
Speaker 6: Officer, Brandon Tatum, like he's a cop. Well, I mean
if he's a cop, he knows the all. I mean,
maybe I should just listen to Brandon Tatum because if
he's a cop, groove Monster ten dollars. According to Robin
Brown's book on the Roads Society, the roundtable philosophy was
explicitly Fabian. Yeah, I mean, I don't I think this
information and research I've been reading is accurate. The Souls
and Coefficients Club, Yes, this includes Lord Milner, Amory JBS Haldane, Garvin,
Lord Gray, Lord Birkenau, et cetera. They were all in
the Fabian society. Yeah, exactly, I thank you, groove Monster.
Robin Brown's book on the Roads roundtable groups. Let me see,
I might not have that one.
Speaker 31: Let me see, all right, I've written that down.
Speaker 2: Let's see. Groove Monster.
Speaker 6: Robin's book also talks about Eton College and the PDF
group that was there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm aware of that.
Speaker 6: Lord Esher as well as Lulu Harcourt and members of
the Royal Elites and the Royal family all part of
the Milner Cecil block that the Inner Circle was recruited from.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, they've all been a bunch of creep PDFs over there.
Lord mount Batten, Cyril Smith, like all of these MP's
and these they're just a nightmare. Saville on X five dollars.
How much of the last sam Hi episode with Nick
did you write that was? I don't I'm not sure
because there was four of us in there, and originally
we thought that was going to be an episode that
was partly interview and then Jordan Peterson. I don't mean
Jordan Peterson on there, but they were going to discuss
Jordan Peterson. So I wrote pretty significant sections of the
Jordan Peterson part. I don't remember exactly how much I
put under the Nick part. So probably more of that
was Ryan Rivera and Brendan and Pat. I just don't remember.
I think I wrote some parts of it though, But
what ended up happening was I was focusing on the
Peterson part and then they had a lengthy conversation, and
so they decided to just end that episode there and
do the Peterson episode as a separate episode. Grubs McGee
five dollars.
Speaker 2: Way.
Speaker 6: He says, I was laughing thinking of the letter leather
Daddy jokes when I heard about the jacket.
Speaker 2: I don't think I put any leather Daddy jokes in there.
Speaker 6: Grubs McGee five dollars. I'm pretty sure Sarah from Holland
is out of the Campus Crusade. That's a priest father,
Sarah from Holland.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that everybody.
Speaker 6: I can't see this what I was trying to say,
and I'm not saying you're saying this, But if I
critique Campus Crusade and say that it has Pentagon ties,
that doesn't mean everybody in Campus Crusade is a bunch
of Feds or spies. It just means the organization is
going to try to be used by the Pentagon for
soft power. Let me give you an example. Do you
remember Cony twenty twelve. Okay, Coney twenty twelve was being
pushed by the Pentagon as a kind of justification for
operations in Africa Africaan, Right, Oh, we got to go
find this warlord Cony, and nobody hadn't even known if.
Speaker 2: Coney was alive anymore.
Speaker 6: Right, it was, and it was a pretty obvious kind
of you know, fed thing, I mean fake thing in
the sense of like you know the standard you know,
Bin lad In, Saddam Hussein Putin Asad. We got to
go do this stuff because of the villains in the
other countries, which are usually bullshit justifications for you know,
American companies and corporations to you know, loot steel, et cetera.
That doesn't mean there are no war lords or that
everybody else in the other countries is good guys. It
just means that they become just silly justifications for the
you know, foreign policy stuff that the neocons typically want.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: And I remember on my university there was this push
and all the campus crusade people were part of it.
They were pushing Cony twenty twelve. And it's like and
they were I kid you not, like they were all
doing it because they were told to do it. And
I'm like, well did you even do you even know
if any of this is true? And it's like, well,
we want to go over there to help the poor
African kids, for Jesus, And it's like, are.
Speaker 2: You this stupid?
Speaker 6: Like you just you think that the Pentagon is really
cares about like helping poor African kids.
Speaker 2: And but by the.
Speaker 6: Way, what does this have to do with evangelicalism. Oh well,
you know, we want to also send missionaries. And so
the people are sincere, They're just naive and they don't
understand soft power. They don't understand espionage and geopolitics.
Speaker 2: And this was all just bullshit.
Speaker 6: It was all affront for Pentagon stuff, and they had
literally just like that, co opted and utilized campus crusade.
But nobody at my university working for Campus Crusade was
a spy or working for the CIA.
Speaker 2: They didn't know anything. They're idiots.
Speaker 6: And I say that because I was pretty aware of things,
even in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: I was aware of f Liam Ingdall.
Speaker 6: I'd read Ingdoll's books critiquing things like campus Crusade and
the use of NGOs and foundations and evangelicalism in other
countries for geopolitical purposes. So I knew enough to know
that this was fair. By the way, I went around
and tore down all the Cony twenty twelve posters.
Speaker 2: By the way, that was me.
Speaker 6: So somebody in the middle of the night showed up
on campus to tear down all of the twenty twelve
posters which had appeared all over campus, and mysteriously the
next day they were gone.
Speaker 2: That was me. Well, I don't know if I did
all of them, because we had a big campus, but
I had tore down a lot of them.
Speaker 6: But because I was I was doing my act. I
was doing counter activism against these idiots who thought that
this was all real. And there was this guy who
ran at Jason Russell at the time, and this weirdly enough,
if you remember, this guy to meltdown, a public meltdown,
and he stripped naked in at a restaurant in San
Francisco or something and ran out in the middle of
the street naked. I don't know if he was doing
shrooms or what happened to this dude, but it was
the weirdest bunch of I mean, they would the people
pushing it. It was like the time that Glee was popular,
and they would do these Glee routines.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. It was like the gayest thing ever.
Speaker 6: And because Alex was making fun of it at the time,
he looks, actually.
Speaker 32: That's what this guy, Jason Russell was trying to shed
light on. And he had been trying for nine years,
and like he was trying to be a filmmaker. So
he's like, I'm going to make this film. He put
it out and that's the one that then twenty twelve
that went super viral. But you know, like with anything
if you go super viral, you get some pushback. All
the news stations picked up this story and they started
picking apart this guy. He became like a a like
a paparazzi target for a while.
Speaker 2: And there's just no way he could have foreseen that happening.
Speaker 32: And then he had a mental breakdown.
Speaker 2: It got way out of.
Speaker 32: Control and like the truth got lost and.
Speaker 6: So anyway, this got a mental burkdown, He lost it,
strip naked, ran out on the street, and that ended
the whole Cony twelve side.
Speaker 3: Wasn't that part of the monarch plan? Anyway?
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think we even have to go
into that because I just think that they just chose,
they just chose this kind of like a dude to
be the face of you know, like you know, pseudo
Christian helped the other countries and take down the dictators
and you know, give your money to this thing, and.
Speaker 2: It was just so obviously fake. But anyway, I wonder
whatever happened to that dude?
Speaker 3: That's what I was just thinking.
Speaker 10: I wonder, what does you ever wonder like these people were,
like where are they now?
Speaker 8: You actually got to that would be a great uh
a lot.
Speaker 2: Here's the actual documentary.
Speaker 6: It has one hundred million, three million views. Dang, one
hundred million people watch this stupid thing.
Speaker 2: Here he is. The surprise announcement came in a letter
from the White House.
Speaker 6: The US President's decision commits US troops to help to
advice and assistance.
Speaker 2: Imagine getting all these evangelicals to support Obama's policies in
Africa to try to find cony so fair, you can
so see it.
Speaker 6: But like evangelicals, man, they will believe anything, dude. And
that's what's funny is that, like, you know, the people
in the military and the Pentagon, they know how dumb
evangelicals are and they laugh about it, and they're like.
Speaker 2: You know, all these people believe anything.
Speaker 6: We just tell them that we're gonna go save Africans
from a war lord and this becomes a cover for Africam.
Speaker 2: People don't even know what Africom is.
Speaker 6: But that's the the Pentagon, the military, US Army, et cetera.
Their strategies for different regions. They're Scentcom, Northcom, Africom.
Speaker 2: And this was just more you know, foreign.
Speaker 6: Policy, basically, just a way to go get.
Speaker 2: Minerals and oil.
Speaker 3: In I wonder if they have a dire com Yeah.
Speaker 6: Probably, since I'm in the KGB dire eclips on geopolitics
five dollars, we got to go in and get the
bad guys that we armed. Yeah, I think that in
the case of Coney, like, the thing that everybody was
saying at the time was that was criticized.
Speaker 2: It was nobody even knows this guy's alive anymore.
Speaker 6: So it's a really weak justification for foreign policy in
Africa anyway, Jeff, throw two dollars, Jake, can you play
the ausse Narrow Instagram post?
Speaker 2: Bro, I don't know where that is. I mean, if you.
Speaker 6: Link it for me, maybe, I just I can't scroll
all the.
Speaker 2: Way back control.
Speaker 6: I have no idea what it's months or years back,
so I don't know where it is. Contemporary committing five dollars, Jay,
can we get a brand of the Ginger choose? I mean,
I think in America there's pretty much only one brand
when you go anywhere. It's the Jingin's Grubs, No anonymous
three dollars, primary versus secondary causes.
Speaker 2: If God's said, well, I think that guy called in,
we already answered him. So a ten dollars look up.
Speaker 6: Rid Vaughan he's definitely a heretic. I mean we already
commented on this at the beginning. Everyone's had enough of him. Well, uh,
like we said at the beginning, you know, people aren't interested.
I'm not gonna listen, Like, what are you gonna do?
Just keep arguing with them and keep calling might as
well just move on. So that's I think the wisest
strategy behind enemy lines?
Speaker 2: What's up man? Behind enemy lines?
Speaker 33: Hey, Jake, I just had a quick question the yes
you you had a stream the other day and I
think you quoted someone If you want to be involved
in espionage, it's cooks bolts in like crooks?
Speaker 3: What you know who that quote was from? Oh? Sorry,
can you hear.
Speaker 2: Me say it again? What about? Yeah? The quotes from me?
Speaker 25: You want to.
Speaker 33: If you want to be involved in espionage, you have
to be a kook, a crook or something else.
Speaker 2: Spook. I can't the quote is me. It's my quote.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, ok, yeah, I've been saying that for like
ten years, and it's the same for Ultimate Alternative Media.
Speaker 2: But it's just a joke. I don't literally mean every
single person is.
Speaker 6: But anesthasias. What's up man, dude? Thought I was quoting
a book that's me Rah.
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Speaker 2: What's up man? Unmuted?
Speaker 3: Should they? How are you taking questions on justification?
Speaker 2: I guess a right, sweet?
Speaker 34: Been watching your videos for a while and then in
the orthodox point of view, I keep hearing you say
that justification of an ontological transformation, right.
Speaker 20: I just want to clarify before Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sweet, So.
Speaker 34: When I keep hearing this, I guess in my head,
I've just never asked anyone to clarify this question.
Speaker 2: How is it?
Speaker 34: How can we be called justified if it's an ontological transformation,
it's lifelong. Can't someone only call you justified at the
end of your life? You can't really say that. You
can't really say you are justified till the work is done?
Speaker 2: Right? No, why would you think that?
Speaker 3: Well, it would be.
Speaker 34: A past tense if, like I can't say something is
finished if I'm still working on it.
Speaker 2: Where are you saying that? It's finished.
Speaker 6: We would say that justification is a past thing, an
ongoing thing, and a future thing.
Speaker 2: It's all three. It's not an either or.
Speaker 34: But then Paul says that you are justified, right like
he says that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's also statements where he talks about justification
in the future sense of vindication at the esketon and
the escaton hasn't happened yet, and Paul uses goallorification the
same way as glorification as a present reality as well,
and two Corinthians three.
Speaker 3: Okay, sweet, that makes a lot of more sense. Appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I appreciate that. Yeah, just
look up. You know, we do have some longer talks
on justification that you can find.
Speaker 6: I I what's up? And then fuel my fire? You've
been waiting? Do you want to umute?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 21: Jay?
Speaker 3: Actually I have a question just convalidate you this time.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: My wife is not into orthodoxy at all.
Speaker 10: He watched a live like stream and she just kept
down playing it and see its.
Speaker 2: Like, uh like whining and.
Speaker 3: Should I just go myself and just not bring her
with me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean I would say, right, Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2: I mean, if she sees a change in you, then yeah,
that's the way to go. So yeah, you should go
ahead and go and.
Speaker 6: Then pursue it because you have care of your own
soul first, and then you know, just be persistent and consistent,
and then she'll come along eventually.
Speaker 2: Usually Dominic, what's up? Hold on?
Speaker 6: I got more of these super chests I missed in
the name of faith three dollars? Can you contend directly
with the creationist assertion of the earth being seven thousand
years old? I wouldn't contend with it. I think it
probably is seven to ten thousand years old. I think
it's wrong to bring up metaphysics when not anyone is
a debater. I think you mean not everyone is a debater. Well,
why is it wrong to bring up metaphysics just because
the person isn't a debater. I don't think Genesis is
a scientific account. I don't think that either, And it's
long to say the orthodoxy is opposed to I don't know.
Your comment gets cut off, so I don't know what
else you have.
Speaker 2: To say there.
Speaker 6: You might be the guy that called in and wasn't
aware of philosophy of science and epistemology, even though you
claimed to be aware of epistemology. So I don't know
why you are the one that gets to tell us
what is and isn't orthodox views of creation. I'm going
to go with Saint Basil and the next Samaraan and
Father serfrom Rose and justis creation early man over what
you think is the way to go Jen's three dollars.
Speaker 2: What do we think of.
Speaker 6: What would our generation's martyrs look like?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think if you're faithful to the teachings
of Christ and the Church, we're all going to be
martyrs in a way. I don't really get into trying
to have this breakdowns of all the.
Speaker 2: Prophecies of the elders.
Speaker 6: And I'm not dissing Cotel or Conrad or anybody that
wants to pursue that at all. I just don't really
go go down that route. Brendan three dollars. I hear
that the Orthodox king or emperor would be part of
the liturgy. Yeah, he's he's like a deacon. He's not
literally a deacon, but he's a kind of diaconos. The
church justifies the state that puts it all together. I
mean again in a healthy Christian society. Yeah, but like not,
We're not gonna storm Washington and you know, convert Donald
Trump to being a Byzantine emperor and then force the
country to be Handmaid's.
Speaker 2: Tale or whatever these idiot liberals think.
Speaker 6: Freaky five dollars is the Naphelie order of Metatron of
the KGB what you're a part of, I guess.
Speaker 2: Also the Ukubeans.
Speaker 6: Are they above the Yukubeans but below the Teletubbies. Yes,
so we might as well. It's a mask off moment
moment and yes, Jacob Kabe five dollars, Jay, I'm trying
to show my dad the clip.
Speaker 2: Oh you read that Turbo ten dollars. What are good
books on tagh?
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're brand new you said you're a
slow boy, I would say something. I mean, I hate
to recommend Protestants, but you know Bonson's Always Ready, or
doctor Jason Lyles book Ultimate Proof, and then I would
read Father Deacon Ananize his papers after that, because he
can kind of correct a lot of the you know,
Calvinist mistakes. But I think those guys are good to
just kind of get an overall idea.
Speaker 2: What the line of argument is, and.
Speaker 6: Doctor Lyles's book actually has a really good section at
the beginning on laws of logic and information theory, which.
Speaker 2: Is very helpful for tag So those are there's some
really good stuff in those books. J N.
Speaker 6: Ten Dollars. I was raised Lutheran, but I'm new to
you and the idea of Apostolic succession. I hear that
Catholics and Orthodox are close to the Apostles and Church
fathers so that truth would be preserved.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what you mean by close.
Speaker 6: Because we believe that it's an actual historical succession. People
are corrupt and go astray. What about the Golden calfa
Mount Sinai and Moses's wayward grandsons. Why would we trust
something early is true. The argument is not that absolucic
succession is early and therefore it's true. The argument is
that Jesus instituted absolut succession in the New Testament and
the Gospels, and you can see it in Paul's epistles,
So that's the argument. Also, Jesus promised that the Holy
Spirit would lead Gode and be with the true the
Church until the end of the end of time, and
would not lead he would not leave us as orphans,
and that he would lead us and God Is into
all truths. So Pentecost is something new, and that's why
you can't compare Israel and the Old Testament pre Pentecost
to the empowering of the Church Postpentecost. That does not
mean that every single bishop is is indefectible. Any individual
bishops or even sections of bishops or masses of bishops
cant apostatize, but there will always be true bishops maintaining
the faith even in times of mass apostasy like the
fourth century when the majority of the Church was Aryan
and semi arian. So the Old Testament analogies are not
understanding redemptive history and that after Pentecost we are in
a new era.
Speaker 10: And I just realizing, well, the reason why they struggle
with Apstock session is they reject normal authority, so they
don't have any kind of legal ecclesial system to actually buy.
Of course they're going to interpret Apostock session is just
useless and doesn't do anything.
Speaker 3: Or not even understand it. What do you think about that?
Speaker 6: I think you're absolute right about that's ultimately what's going
on that His specific question was about well, hey, we see,
you know, Israel going sour in the Old Testament. Why
would I believe that the Church is any different because
the Church is the Church, it's not Israel.
Speaker 2: That's why Pentecost is so important.
Speaker 6: So really Protestants are missing and don't understand Pentecost, and
they don't understand the fact that you can't separate absolute
succession from the empowering of the church in Acts two
and the promises that Jesus made that he would not
leave the visible historic quote Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: But yes, you're also right that also.
Speaker 3: They don't see the church as a divine human institute.
Speaker 2: They see it as only human.
Speaker 10: Yes, and so or it's just the you know, all
the believers low has come denominator.
Speaker 6: Where the church is a theanthropic institution exactly as father
Deacon said, it's it's a divine and human institution, meaning
that if you only look at it from the human
perspective like Protestants do, Oh, well, it's divided and it's
fallen away and there's thirty thousand different versions of it.
Zach inquired three dollars, what do you think about the
idea of altruism. I don't know what that is, Adams
and Eve's world was separate from us and the fall
cost our evolutionary world. There was a priest that wrote
an article on it in Athanasius, he vaguely mentions it
never heard of it, and that would be outside of
what you read in Basil's Hexameron or Father surfrom Roses
justis creation early Man, or Saint Simon and the New
Theologians first created Man. I mean, all those texts pretty
much are normative. So I have no idea what you're talking.
I don't know what altruism is. God bless you three dollars. Personally,
I don't have anything against nationalism. Christianity existed without it
under the imperial system for classical liberal nation states. Yeah,
I'm well aware of modern nationalism arising from post French
Revolution liberal economic theory nation states.
Speaker 2: I know all that.
Speaker 6: That's I'm just speaking for a common audience of people
asking questions about a Christian state. But yes, the imperium
and the pre modern nation state being Christian is not
the same thing as the Poost Enlightenment nation state. But
that's not even what that's not even relevant to what
we're talking about today. We're just talking about can there
be Christian nation states or Christian governments. Jmail twenty five dollars.
How do I move from an American rights center ideology
towards a christ centered view.
Speaker 2: Of the word or world? How do you do it?
Speaker 6: I mean I would say again, you know, if you
read the Christian ethos of the first millennium.
Speaker 2: It is that.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get my idea geology out of Orthodoxy.
I think you mean, like your American conservative ideology to
get to get to be Orthodox in your fronema and
not an americanist. I read Schmimann's Eucharist. Yeah, that's not
a good book. I mean there's actually worst books by Schimhen.
But I mean I wouldn't recommend Alexander Schmiman if you're
wanting to to not have like a an americanist. I
mean there's I would say, read Reflections of a Russian Statesman.
Speaker 2: There you go. Read that.
Speaker 6: That's a lot more hard hitting and authentic than these
these weak O c. A.
Speaker 2: Clerics. Jacob Kebe five dollars.
Speaker 6: Jay, you whistle like an armpit poop patty, Sir, I
hear whistles in your voice. That's because I got refuted
by the Indian Muslim. All right, guys, Uh, get ahead
of line if you disagree dominic. What's up, father deacon?
You missed the Mormon? Were you in here for that?
You keep every time you leave the good?
Speaker 2: The good?
Speaker 3: I agree?
Speaker 2: Okay? What's up?
Speaker 3: Man? Hey, what's going on? Can you hear me? I'm sorry?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 10: So, Uh recently baptized Orthodox Christian for about a year now,
and I just have a.
Speaker 3: Couple of questions about a couple of things for you.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 3: Firstly, the reason for women veiling.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 25: When I first came to my church, Uh, they said, oh,
it's something that married women do.
Speaker 24: Then I heard the Orthodox Ethos talk.
Speaker 3: About it and he said that it's done to me.
Speaker 2: So it's in Corinthians.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 29: And uh so if I was to explain to somebody
the reasoning for it, could you maybe do that for me?
Speaker 3: Like Paul's reasoning for it.
Speaker 6: Well, if you read Corinthians, he says that it's a society.
It's a sign of submission to authority. So a woman
veils her head, Paul says, because the angels are present
in the liturgy, and the angels see who does and
doesn't veil in the sense of being humble and submissive.
So that's the way Paul describes it. I don't I'm
not sure what father here says, but he probably says
something along those lines.
Speaker 2: FDA. If you've heard anything different, feel free to enlighten me.
Speaker 3: That's everything that I heard.
Speaker 2: No, my camera's not broken. I have a headache. What's up, man?
I'm sorry? Father Dan ahead, No, that's it.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, you merged, You've become chalk.
That's actually what you look like.
Speaker 6: Now, well I have to Yeah, you know, they're a
paid sponsor, so I want to promote our sponsors.
Speaker 2: And also but I also have like.
Speaker 6: A splitting headache because it's either because the the ragweed
which is in the air, or it's because we have
a huge stormfront rolling in.
Speaker 2: The pressure is really intense right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's up man?
Speaker 2: Echo you want?
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, yeah, I got a quick question. Well,
twofold both are different.
Speaker 35: So I saw a quote by Leo the Deacon from
the tenth century, and he stated in August sixteenth, in
the year six and seventy. I thought that was pretty
interesting because that's like nine to sixty a d which
then I found out is like the Ano Mundi Byzantine calendar.
Speaker 2: Yes, they use the business calendar.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 35: Yeah, So this this question really comes to, uh, is
there any reason to care a lot about the calendars?
I mean, I know there's old calendar is I don't
fully understand that.
Speaker 3: I haven't really dived in. But what's your take on
all that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, the calendar does matter because that's the that's how
the Christian world they things. So maybe I don't understand
your question. What do you mean does the calendar matter?
Speaker 17: I guess I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't understand the old calendar.
Speaker 35: Old calendar ists versus new.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a different issue.
Speaker 6: So we have a Christian calendar because we're Christians and
we live in a liturgical cycle that we believe reflects
kind of the patterns of Heaven. So that's why there
is a calendar. The old calendar is a totally different issue.
But I mean ro Corps, for example, is on the
old calendar, So that's a different issue from old calendar.
Schismatic groups, some of which have been reconciled in terms
of communion, some of which are still out of communion.
But that's an area that I don't really have a
whole lot of insight on Owen.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: Man, Hey, can you hear me?
Speaker 25: I'm sorry from coming in later or whatever, but what
what is your opinion of nationalism?
Speaker 2: And uh, we've.
Speaker 6: Already covered all that, so I'm not I'm not trying
to be a dick. I'm not being rude. It's just
I'm not going to repeat everything that we said in
the first hour and a half. H Trey, what's something
look for people who disagree. I don't mind answer people's
catechumen questions and fahes. Just remember guys that, like, you know,
after a while, it's kind of old because most of
that information you can probably just you can easily find
by just reading and searching some stuff on your own.
Remember you can get you know, Orthodox Dogmatics by Palma
Zansky and read the book. Uh, you know, when you
come with a lot of the sort of FAQs, it's
just kind of taken away from you know, more pressing
type of stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to be rude.
Speaker 6: I understand everybody wants their questions answered, but a lot
of that stuff you guys can find easily on your own.
Like there are infinite resources for faq Orthodox stuff these days. Yeah,
in two thousand and three, four, five sixty seven that
there wasn't that much, But nowadays it's there's infinity of that.
And you can also ask your priest and your catechist
these questions. But what's up, man, I'm you, Trey you there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 25: I hope I'm not asking a question you just asked
us not to ask.
Speaker 2: Well, what is it?
Speaker 9: It is?
Speaker 25: I'm looking into a couple of churches near me, and
I'm wondering your opinion. There's a there's a Saint Michael's,
which I don't know what denominate or what version of
it is. And then there's a Serbian and a Greek Orthodox.
The Greek Orthodox doesn't have fews. I was wondering what
your stances on a pews.
Speaker 2: Just go check them all out, man, Jimmy, what's up?
Jan Neruda? What's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 6: Shout out to all of the jake rattlesnake people.
Speaker 2: We've had a wild ride today.
Speaker 6: We had a scientism man that said he knew all
about epistemology, but didn't.
Speaker 2: We had a Mormon.
Speaker 6: Who uh didn't understand a circular argument.
Speaker 2: Jan Neruda what's something I'm you, Hey, what's up, Jame?
What's on your mind?
Speaker 3: I was just kind of wondering, what do you think
about this read?
Speaker 14: We are already talked about it, man.
Speaker 6: We already, we already talked about it today. So I
covered Rid Vaughan in the first hour. Okay, anybody disagreed today,
you go to the headline. So please no questions about
all the stuff that we've already covered. If you disagree
any topic.
Speaker 2: Immediate head of the line.
Speaker 6: Blaine Star Chick twenty dollars. Jake made me give you money? Oh,
Jake Raddle, I was like Jake and the Muslim metaphysician.
Speaker 2: I doubt that.
Speaker 18: You mean.
Speaker 6: Jake Radle said, well, thanks man, I appreciate that from Jake.
Speaker 2: Underwater. What's up?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's on your mind? Yeah?
Speaker 10: I have this verse that I feel like, I'm not
sure if it's literal or if it's just necessarily talked
about something else and one to maybe two fifteen.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me pull that up.
Speaker 6: Nevertheless, women will be saved through childbearing if they continue
in faith, love and holiness with self control.
Speaker 9: Yeah, what is the childbearing thing?
Speaker 2: That's the part that I'm means having babies.
Speaker 3: What do you mean so it's being literal?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean Paul's writing an epistle about
practical problems at the Church of Ephesus to Timothy.
Speaker 2: He's not going to.
Speaker 6: Algorize in a moral instruction section about what the role
of women is when he's talking about Adam and Eve
and that the role of women is primarily to be mothers. Now,
obviously it doesn't mean that women can't be single and
enter into you know, monast life. Paul also talks about
that it doesn't mean obviously that if you don't have
a baby, you're not saved. I mean, that's all kind
of you know, I'm not saying you're saying that, But
obviously we wouldn't come to absurd conclusions when he's just
kind of giving practical advice that the role of women
is not to become priests, pastors, teachers, it's to be
mothers in general. I do you want to try again.
Speaker 17: Yo, Dian.
Speaker 3: I mean, so I had a question in regards to.
Speaker 8: Like, in general, what you think about I know you
don't want to be asked these questions, but Antiochian Church
versus real core and just the different you know divisions.
Speaker 6: They're not divisions, they're jurisdictions. So just go check out
the one that's best for you. There's not going to
be a perfect jurisdiction, all right. If you disagree, you
go with the headline. Raise your hand if you disagree, and
I'll bring you on. I'm not interested in talking to
you guy from the Oriental sphere. Every time we have
this discussion doesn't go anywhere, so I'm not interested. But
thank you for coming on ECO. What's up man?
Speaker 3: Hey j back, what is your opinion on Nick quints?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry they already covered all that earlier today, so guys,
come on, like I'm not trying to be rude.
Speaker 6: It's just like it, like all the stuff listed I
covered in the first and second hour, So if you.
Speaker 2: Just tuned in, that's cool. I'm not mad.
Speaker 6: But like all that stuff, I'm not going to redo
all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Heykay, what's your take on a postive profit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's just rehearse the entire first two hours and
then we'll just start all over again after that, and
then and do it for the third time the first
two hours. So if you're watching on YouTube, guys, you
can rewind.
Speaker 3: And go you know, be Kind and rewind.
Speaker 6: That was a good movie, by the way, if you've
never seen it.
Speaker 2: It's a Jack Black comedy. It's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have seen every movie.
Speaker 2: I know you have. I know you have.
Speaker 6: But you're really good at burke Back Mountain, right, that's
like the one that
Speaker 2: I know that that that that Blu ray is on
repeat at your