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Speaker 1: We don't teach sha.

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Speaker 2: We don't teach no hate.

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Speaker 1: Y'all te shank y'all house, y'all narcissists.

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Speaker 2: But you ain't a narcissist.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm not a slave. I never came from Africa.

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Speaker 4: I'm an indigenous.

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Speaker 5: Perfect what your mama taught you.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you the truth.

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Speaker 2: Let her curk, let her cook from my color black

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macass cooking, Let her mel.

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Speaker 6: Your people are going to extinct, and that's why you're mad.

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Speaker 7: You can't pro create.

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Speaker 6: You was born as stink. Put some respect on that name.

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This sister right here, Ha done decoded every mystery on

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the house. She done decoded every howeroglyphic. Okay, that's that ancient.

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That's that ancient Wakandan script.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's what eugenics was about. That's when eugenic the

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Darwin theory.

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Speaker 8: Because y'all know the truth.

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Speaker 6: This sister doesn't see every TikTok about Sydney Swingey and

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them jeans. Okay, them jeans was invented by a communist

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dictatorship to put you into a worker suit because white

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people had to put black people into genes because white

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people gens is defectives.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and they is.

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Speaker 6: Born decrepit, They born without the ability to reproduce. Okay,

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that's what them eugenics is about. It's in the name eugenics.

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Sidney Sweeney, goddamn genes.

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Speaker 9: Girl.

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Speaker 2: Everybody want to be black?

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Speaker 6: Don't nobody want to be black except Beyonce want to

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be white because she's changing her.

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Speaker 1: Skin waiting to say this.

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Speaker 6: Whoo, cook girl, Finally my people are speaking up, people

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speaking my language, speaking my script.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 6: And I am an honorary black person. We've had eleven

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black people give me in word past. I've been identifying

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as black at least for.

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Speaker 2: How many years now?

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Speaker 6: Many I've been white to say this all my life.

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Speaker 2: Woo, cook girl, Cook on it.

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Speaker 6: You're mad because only black people have the jeans to procreate.

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She wearing the jeans skirt too. At the same time,

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y'all noticed that that's coded. That right there is coded.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and that.

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Speaker 6: White woman right there, she don't know what to do

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one thats coded. Y'all know how to decode.

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Speaker 1: And y'all know the true dukes come from me.

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Speaker 10: A black person can make any color in Africa white

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with blue eyes.

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Speaker 6: Whoa s now Some of y'all wanted to make fun

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of me for identifying as black. This little princess sister

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queen right here, she don't have to confirmed it, ain't she?

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Speaker 2: She done confirm the right there. You made fun of me,

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Judy dog Thorsty's blood.

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Speaker 6: She just said, black people make all the colors.

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Speaker 2: I came from her. That's my mom's, dude. It's my

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mom's right now.

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Speaker 1: And blind hair, just like you have a win, one

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my collar and one your color.

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Speaker 2: It's called east Side and Jacob.

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Speaker 1: You'll be quiet east side and Jacob et the Mites.

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Speaker 6: Black Huberes are like black Hebrew, black Hebrew Israel, Like,

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just make it up.

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Speaker 2: As you go. It don't even matter.

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Speaker 6: It's telling us star it okay, it's telling us story.

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Speaker 2: And this ain't the only truth.

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Speaker 6: Drop knowledge bomb I got for your ass today. You

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better set your little ass down. Put them be called

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eb T card back in the draw because you ain't

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ready for it. Right now, you ain't ready for it.

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I'm about to drop a lot of y'all trying to

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a lot of y'all try to want to become a

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black heprier. As you're like, I got bad news for you.

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In a moment we're gonna we're gonna speak to some

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of them brothers that got wisdom.

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Speaker 11: You're never you can take me to jail, your mad

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go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Now, let me let let me let my people, Jacob.

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I like I like how my brothers and sisters in

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the plane, or letting.

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Speaker 2: Her preach, whoa preach girl, get on it? Tell it

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cook everybody else in the airplane. That's remember that. You

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want you want to know what airplane? That was? Soul plane.

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Speaker 6: Everybody forgot that Snoop movie. Remember snow old plane. This

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is what it was like getting on it right here, right,

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this is it right here?

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Speaker 2: What a soul plane. I'm not talking about soul training.

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I'm talking soul plane. They get on that right there.

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Look at that right there? Whoa get on that sould

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plane right now? Made that ship bump.

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Speaker 7: Oh, look at that got Kevin Hart in, It got

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Snoop dogg in, It got them mother sisters I ain't

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never heard of, and I never seen about she Because.

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Speaker 2: The promise is coming to my paper. We know the

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birth right girl.

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Speaker 6: Remember when remember when Cain had done took es Saul's birthright,

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and then the Judahmites had done come and take the

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Nephemites and taking their taking all of their hair, taking

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their weaves. The Nephemites done took the weave of all

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of the Judamites. And it was a big old story

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in the Book of Samson and the Bibles. Okay, then

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the people had to rise up, They had had to rise.

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Speaker 2: Up and throw it off. That oppressions. Okay, that's what

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I'm talking about right now. I'm preaching right now.

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Speaker 6: And ain't none of y'all leaving right now, closing doors,

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close the doors, because ain't none of y'all coming out

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here till I get forty thousand dollars in super chests today.

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm trying to say. That's it. That's all. Now.

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Speaker 6: A lot of white people are turning to the racisms.

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It's time to call it a stop to that. It's

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time to call it out. I am bold enough to

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do it. A lot of people too scared to do it.

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But I'm gonna sing with this white man, with this

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judahmite right here, this little Judahmite who tried to steal

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all the weaves back in the Book of Samson. I

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got a little song for y'all right now, listen, I

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want y'all to sing with me. Now it's a church

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service right up in here. Indo racisms.

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Speaker 12: Down, King say, come on everyone, burn it down, racism,

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burn it down.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why. I don't know how we got

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to axul rose in that, but welcome everybody. It's open

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for him. We're just having fun, kicking it off with

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a little bit of a little bit of church to

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get y'all ready for today. Did y'all enjoy church? We

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had a sister like Kwanha getting on the soul plane

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giving us a little bit of word of encouragements.

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Speaker 2: But now we're about to open it up.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what y'all people got on your minds today,

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but listen, oh, I forgot what we gotta check in

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just one little thing. Can I become a black Hebro Israelite?

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. Number one ques question today,

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Number one qurtion today.

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Speaker 6: Hold on, some of you white people, you think perhaps

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I could also be in the tribe. I could also

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become a judomit. Let's find out. Let's find out right here.

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I just Irish, definitely definitely not.

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Speaker 13: I'm an Irish manka all right, Well, you can be

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whatever you want to be in your mind, in your

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want to be, but in reality, I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: To be here with you guys. To name, I'm very excited.

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Speaker 6: That's Jermaine Duprix right there, that's Jermaine Dupris. Don't come

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up black. He is late, that Jermaine Duprieve. You ain't

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never seen him. You said, well, what Jermaine the Prieve

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went up to for the for the last minute. Well

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it's been a minute, but he's been over.

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Speaker 2: There with them. He is lights up and down in

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that Landau right now.

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Speaker 6: And when an Irish man who's a cannounce cannot become

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a judimit when he come up in there trying to

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be trying to trying to front.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmmm mm hmm.

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Speaker 6: You ain't a part of this party, son. My people

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is on the come up. Your people is on the depression,

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wrote aka skinned Roll Haller.

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Speaker 2: If you hear me, hold, if you hear it? All right,

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we popping the day. It's popping. Baby.

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Speaker 6: We even got fat smug smug Wilson. Did y'all know

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Smug Wilson Christian nationalist Fatty Pastor, the new version, the

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new institiation of Jerry fallwell, smug Wilson, he got a

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rock and roll song, y'all ever heard of it? What

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could a boomer come up with to blow my mind

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when it came to rock and roll? It's exactly what

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you think folk bluegrass, Calvinists, bull crap, that's what you

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would get. That's what you that's what you think, and

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that's what you get. You didn't know Doug Wilson had musics.

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This is Doug Wilson in the Jenny Getty's band about

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to blow.

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Speaker 14: Your mind right here.

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Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that?

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Speaker 6: They was referencing Jacob and the Judamites out of the

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Old Testament with Caine and Joseph, also Abel and Levi

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Leviticus Okay. Leviticus was the cousin of Moses Claus. Okay,

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that's where the white people done got Santa Claus from.

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If you look at a picture of Moses right now,

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to the picture of Santa Claus, that's the white version

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of Mosa Claus. First five books of the Bibles, okay.

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And then Doug Wilson referencing that, he said, we is

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the real Jacobites. Okay, mm hmmm, mm hmm. This is

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white supremacist coded right here, pull some respect on Doug Wilson,

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Smug Wilson name right, hew, Uh yeah, let's see.

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Speaker 2: What what's a good idea for the video?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Boomers shopping at home depot? First of all, definitely on Calvinism,

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pro economy, pro libertarian economic theory. You gotta be shopping

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at home depot. What else is more free market? What

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else is more Calvinist economic theory? Then shopping at home

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depot and getting some some getting some jugs, right, gonna

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if you're gonna have a Nickel Creek band, by the way,

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not half as good as Nickel Creed my band.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna have a Nickel Creek type of band, you.

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Speaker 16: Gotta have some jugs to hoot into, right hooting jugs?

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Speaker 2: Look at them? Hoot and jugs? Are they?

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Speaker 6: You might think, Oh, they're making clay because it's a

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reference to Romans nine and the clay and the Potter

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and Calvin isn't no no. That is Doug Wilson's Post

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eleven Z's cake that that guy is spinning on the

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That's a that's an entire daily Post eleven Zy's breakfast cake.

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The Smug Wilson eats on a daily basis right there.

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I like how the theme of the video is the

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potter and the clay and he's making the vessel as

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if someone handmakes the mass produced home depot clay pots.

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They're not made, They're made by machines.

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Speaker 3: Idiot.

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Speaker 6: He's got his eyes closed as he sings. Are we

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supposed to think this is what's going on in Doug

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Wilson's mind as he's singing a song, he's dreaming about

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the guy who's forming a giant pastry on the the

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clay thing for him after lunch. Is that Is that

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how I am supposed to interpret this video? It's coded.

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I'm trying to decode it right here. And why are

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they out in the field with If you're gonna be

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in the field, maybe don't put in your shot the

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piece of ship family san Subaru over there, Like, get

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me put the field in the background and not the

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giant vance refrigeration van ad behind you.

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Speaker 17: We want to take up Pharaoh's hogg.

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Speaker 18: To bring it down, then the whole Egyptian on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Cook Doug cook o, you.

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Speaker 10: Say, well, you say, old gyps, you would pop the

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Lord is God.

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Speaker 19: And.

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Speaker 6: Oh the Lord is God, and you are not let

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these boomers cook. Now, let these boomers cook. You just

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got put in your place, you arrogant works righteousness man,

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you thought you could be saved by your works. Maybe

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you need to take a trip to home Depot with

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Doug Wilson and be humbled son.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, and uh, what is the what the heck is

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with this weirdo with the ear ring?

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Speaker 6: Is this a member of Doug's church? So are they

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having like secret service fantasies.

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Speaker 2: At Doug's church? Like what they're like what would be

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a cool look? Oh?

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Speaker 6: I know, uh, secret service agents.

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Speaker 2: Or blues brothers.

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Speaker 6: I think they're trying to go with blues brothers, right,

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because it's like folk blues, I guess. And they're just

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singing romans nine. Oh yes, let's bring in our boomer wives.

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Speaker 16: The ire go.

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Speaker 6: Oh look at that God is like Louisville slugger who

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just destroys his his creations as he so wills. Because

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because Calvinism, dog.

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Speaker 2: This is so cranch.

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Speaker 6: Is that Doug Wilson's wife? Is he married to a grandma?

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I mean that sounds like Calvinism. Who is this boomer

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with this this? I want to be secret service member

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with this They're like, I want to let's do Secret

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Service agents, but let's have let's have peppermint striped ties.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it.

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Speaker 6: Douglas is like, my beloved grandmother wife, would you please

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be in my music video? Just sing in the background.

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That's all you gotta do, Just sing in the background.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: They were like, just like so eager to let loose

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their pent up Calvinist rage by doing this stupid little

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bat scene with the mass produced china pots made out

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of who knows what from home depot. You know, this

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is going to be such a powerful visual symbolic statement

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when we hit these clay pots with the Louisville slugger.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, and then then he's still going. He's like no,

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He's like, you guys thought we were done.

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Speaker 6: I've got five more clay pots that I'm gonna throw.

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Speaker 2: At you that you get to smash. And then.

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Speaker 6: Secret Service boomer is look at this.

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Speaker 2: You know they're they're they're rages coming out of oh yeah.

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And then they were like, what if we.

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Speaker 9: Get every tumble problem?

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Speaker 2: Whoa do you hear that?

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Speaker 6: They turned the electric God, they turned the little the

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little switch to make it electric. They went from blues

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folk to electric it got edgy? Did y'all see did

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y'all hear and see the edge? Yeah, of course it is.

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Y'all didn't know smug Wilson. Look, look, I thumbed down

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this like five years ago. It's still got my thumbs

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down from like five years ago.

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Speaker 20: Anyway.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Doug Wilson is a fat piece of crap. If

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you didn't know, somebody said basic experts said, for five dollars,

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is Doug playing the wrong note? Because if he is,

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it's actually the wrong note, it's actually the right note

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because he was predestined to play it boom exactly. Yeah,

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doesn't this make you want to be a columnist hanging

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out with with gigantic fat gut boomers in the in

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a field advanced refrigeration?

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Speaker 2: Look at that? Did they think this way?

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Speaker 6: Was this the ad for like this guy who's in

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the band? I guarantee it's the drummer right, and he's like.

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Speaker 16: I've always wanted to be in a rock and roll video,

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But hey, Doug, could we put my fork refrigeration.

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Speaker 2: Van in the background to be like advertising. I'll pay

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five hundred dollars for the Clay.

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Speaker 6: Potts in the video. If you put my van in

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the background, fork refrigeration. Fork Refrigeration is the guy's name Fork.

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I guess eating utensils is an appropriate name for people

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at Doug Wilson's church, because I mean, Doug Wilson's got

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Doug Wilson looks like he's about to give birth.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at that. Whoa dude? More like double Wilson.

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Speaker 6: Look at that damn dude, Doug Wilson's Doug Wilson is

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the size of a refrigerator man. Look at that guy

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held He could play a He could play John Goodman

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before John Goodman was skinny. Anyway, doesn't that make you

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want to be a Calvinist?

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Speaker 2: There you go, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 6: You know, the exterior of a person oftentimes does indicate

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the interior of the person. This is something that a

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lot of people don't think about. Not in every case.

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It is possible to be a loving, humble person if

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you're overweight, if you're disfigured, But in a lot of

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cases it's not actually the truth. The fact, physiognomy is

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a really good indicator.

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Speaker 2: Of character. Why is that, Well, in the case.

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Speaker 6: Of very portly individuals, this signifies a gluttonous tendency. I

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understand that some people can have, you know, thyroid issues

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or whatever, but that's not always the case, and it's

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a sign of a lack of self control. Now, this

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is something that is a little more relevant and interesting

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than this ridiculous, crappy music video from Doug Wilson. But

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there's a guy who wrote an article who was in

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the CREC, which is Doug Wilson's made up denomination. So

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he just basically created his own denomination, which is a

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traditional Reformed Catholic church that can kind of be whatever

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you want it to be. So if you want to

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practice paedo communion you can. If you want to be

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a Baptist and not baptize your infants and not practice

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pato community, you can. If you want to wear collars

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and larp as an Anglican or a Catholic priest in

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the series C, you can't. Or you can dress like

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Billy Bob Baptist, it doesn't matter. It's a ridiculous, obvious,

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made up boomer thing. But that's the Doug Wilson invented

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denomination of which Doug Wilson is the pope of the denomination.

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Now there's a lot of scandals, a lot of drama

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over the years. You can find these articles where people

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have called out and complained about Doug Wilson over the

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last two decades, three decades back to the early two thousands.

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But for whatever reason, Doug is getting a little more

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traction because unfortunately Tucker Tucker had Doug Wilson on. Tucker

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had smug Wilson on, which was a huge mistake because

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to prop up and push.

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Speaker 2: This idiot is just gonna end up being for the worst.

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Speaker 6: Now, the main issues I would have assumed from not

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kind of keeping up with Doug Wilson in the last

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several years was well, he's a Calvinist, and so he's

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gonna have this standard sort of Calvinist aires. Apparently, according

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to Jeff Moss, who's a former series pastor Converted Orthodoxy.

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A few years ago, Jeff sent me an essay that

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he wrote detailing and outlining some of the actual anti

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trinitarian made up positions that Doug Wilson has, which I

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didn't know. This is kind of crazy. Apparently he and

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I don't exactly even I don't even know if Doug

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Wilson knows what he means when he writes these things.

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But I saw I was reading some of the paragraphs

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in the quote in Jeff's article. Apparently Doug Wilson thinks

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that the father. Okay, you're gonna think, well, this sounds

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like monarchical trinitarianism. It's not the first thing I thought

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when I heard this one. That sounds like the orthodox

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view of monarchical trinitarianism. No, no, no, Doug Wilson thinks

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that the father is authority and the son is obedience.

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You heard me, right, The Father as the subject, the cause,

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the fount, etcetera. The divine subject. The Father, according to

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Doug Wilson, is authority, the son is obedience, like in

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an identity sense. What I mean, I don't know what that.

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I've never even heard of this, So apparently I don't

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know if Doug Wilson heard people talking about monarchical trinitarianism

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and then utilize that to put it into his patriarchal

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Calvinist mold, and so he thought he could capitalize on

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the idea of the father as the fount and the

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monarchy of the triad and turn it into some sort

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of authority subjection role is what it sounds like. But

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that is not what those words mean. Okay, yeah, the

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father is in a sense the authority. He is the source.

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But the father as a person or a hypostasis is

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not authority. Like it's bizarre. The sun is not as

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a hypostasis obedience. It's weird and according to Jeff, but

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I've not looked into all of these positions. Again, I

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haven't even thought about this dude until he popped up

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on Tucker and then I think he's on CNN more

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recently for Christian nationalism, which we talked about a little

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bit here and there to I do want to comment

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on that here in a set, Let's see if we

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can find what Doug Wilson is talking about on I'm

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not gonna watch a whole interview, but thirty minutes. Now,

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keep in mind, nobody really watches CNN except like the

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lowest IQ liberal boomers.

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Speaker 2: That's it. You gotta be like.

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Speaker 6: Really dumb to be watching, you know, CNN, totally out

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of touch. So I would assume this is intended to

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provoke the ninety IQ boomer left that watches. And so

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what they do is they tailor this to rage bait

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their audience, as if Doug Wilson is this massively influential,

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powerful force out there.

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Speaker 2: My channel is bigger than Doug wilson channel.

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Speaker 6: I mean, unless he's blown up since the Tucker discussion,

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I think my channel is still.

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Speaker 2: Bigger than Doug Wilson.

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Speaker 6: So let's see. I think they have a couple. They

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have blog and may blog and canon Press. So let's see.

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So my channel is like almost four times bigger than

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blog and may blog.

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Speaker 2: And let's see what can impress is at.

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Speaker 6: And I'm only pointing this out because like this shows

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you that, I mean, this is not can Impress one

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hundred and seventeen thousand. So between the two, they don't

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even have the audience that we have over here. But

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he's being pushed by now these sort of mainstream and

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alternative outlets.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why, perhaps because people sort of look

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to this guy.

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Speaker 6: And when this goofy Navy seal guy who is so

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intelligent that he's debunked bitcoin for many years, Yeah, exactly,

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This genius Navy seal who understands everything from special operations

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to deep theological issues, who shares the gospel with Joe

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Rogan debunked bitcoin and lost out on quite a bit

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of money because he's so smart. Well, Doug Wilson's been

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commenting on this and talking about how this amazing veteran

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shared the gospel with Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 2: So perhaps.

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Speaker 6: We must call out smug Wilson because he's now quote

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going viral, and even Rouselan is over here covering. But

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where is the going viral part? Because I mean, I'm

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not saying he's not. I'm just trying to figure out, like,

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where is the viral part? Because this has twenty seven

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thousand views on CNN. That's pitiful, dude, So I'm not

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sure where the viral part is. But maybe there is

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some area where he's going viral. I don't know what

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makes this community here in Moscow so unique. Oh the

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other thing that CNN wanted to do I forgot to mention,

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is that they want to portray this as like Doug

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Wilson is what Handmade's Tale is warning about. Right, So

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what Doug Wilson's going to cause jd Vance to run

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next election and create a Christian Nationalist in concentration camp

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America where we're all going to be put into camps

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except for me because I'm a man.

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Speaker 2: I'll be good.

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Speaker 6: But all the women are going to be in camps

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and be forced.

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Speaker 2: To be breeders.

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Speaker 6: And also remember all the global elite have written thousands

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of pages for the last sixty seventy eight hundred years

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about depopulation. Another real threat is that they're going to

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make women into breeders when the Christian nationalists take over.

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Christian nationalism is not a real threat.

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Speaker 2: I do not.

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Speaker 6: Believe that these people are good people. These people are

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total scumbacks. And I'm sure within this domain of the

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online Christian nationalist sphere, I'm sure there's in there. I

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am not agreeing with James Lindsay right with the woke

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right and everyone's a FED and all, you're all FEDS.

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If you believe in if you want you, if you

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don't believe in Enlightenment, atheism and the Freemasonic founding of America,

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you must be a woke right FED. I mean, that's

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as ridiculous as these people. But one thing that I

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do know from reading and studying this domain for many

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many years alternative media as well as espionage and co

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intelpro and all these kinds of things, the first people

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that start calling everybody FEDS, they're usually the FEDS. Now

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not always, because now we're in this situation where everybody's

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calling everybody fed. So it's like, now we don't know

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because who's even first. I mean, everybody's been calling everybody

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a fed now for a long time.

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Speaker 21: And.

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Speaker 6: It's hard to say, like exactly who it is isn't

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a FED. And I remember remember back at the time

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of Seaville, and I was telling everybody, I wouldn't waste

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my time going to Seaville, and I was completely right

469
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,559
because everything that went, everybody went to Seaville, many of

470
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:22,920
them people had their lives runed. So it's the oldest

471
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,200
trick in the book that what the establishment does is

472
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:39,359
co opt, choose, pick, infiltrate, turn people into assets. Classic

473
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,839
example of this was when Hawl Turner, the famous.

474
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:49,559
Speaker 2: White in radio host, it came out that he was.

475
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Speaker 6: A FED, and he had been for many many years,

476
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,480
for example, attacking Lord Valdemot and Lord Baltimore.

477
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:56,759
Speaker 2: For many many years.

478
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,519
Speaker 6: Said that guy's got to be a FED because he's

479
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:02,680
allowed to say the craziest, wildest stuff. He doesn't get

480
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:08,440
in any trouble, and it's like way beyond the pale, right,

481
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,440
I'm not saying that anybody who says one inflammatory or

482
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wild thing.

483
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Oh, you're automatically fed.

484
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,039
Speaker 3: That.

485
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,119
Speaker 6: Not necessarily, but like, if you're able to consistently call

486
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,559
for violence and this kind of stuff, then and you

487
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:26,319
don't get in any trouble on a regular basis. For example,

488
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,200
we saw not just Hal Turner back in the day

489
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:28,759
doing that.

490
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: We saw.

491
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Speaker 6: That weird black dude that ran remember the ten years

492
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,680
ago the New Black Panther Party.

493
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: Remember that guy, and he was like.

494
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: All these white women when they lay down on their

495
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,960
back and when they give birth, they I'll give him

496
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:51,839
birth to a regiment of soldiers that will culle black people.

497
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Remember that.

498
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,279
Speaker 6: And then there was that other black dude that wore

499
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:02,200
the glasses and it was in for like regiments of brothers.

500
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Speaker 2: It's like, if you're able to do this on a

501
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,319
consistent basis.

502
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,799
Speaker 6: And you don't end up in jail, you might be it.

503
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:12,079
Speaker 2: You might be a fit r.

504
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,519
Speaker 6: I will turn into Jeff Fox Jeff fed Worthy over here.

505
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,680
If you're able to call for violence on a regular

506
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,400
basis and you don't get in troubling, you might be

507
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a feed.

508
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:27,359
Speaker 2: Right, Jeff Fedworthy, Jacob Kabey, Clay Pott. Cooler than an.

509
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,799
Speaker 6: Office space, copy machines. I think you're talking about Doug

510
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:32,319
Wilson's amazing rock.

511
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:32,839
Speaker 2: And roll video.

512
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,319
Speaker 6: Christopher Scott five dollars, what's up man, Thank you so much.

513
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:39,480
Contemporary Committee, five dollars, Father Agan and I should join

514
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,839
Doug Wilson's band with his ukulele. He was just in here.

515
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:49,000
He missed that great joke. So yeah, FDA, I think

516
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:59,519
does play music in uh bluegrass. And then he he

517
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,279
just missed that joke. He was just in here. Oh well,

518
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,840
and then see now the whole So now everybody thinks

519
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:16,000
every influencer and yapping head or what was Jamie? So

520
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:20,679
they're called face lords, all the face lords now right,

521
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,079
everyone's a fed now, Hassan Piker, al Right, the chat

522
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:25,199
says Hassana fed.

523
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,559
Speaker 2: I Doves is a fed. Oh Sam hidees a fed.

524
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,519
Oh j Dot, I'm KGB. We all know that I'm

525
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:33,599
not a fed dude. I'm KGB bro.

526
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 6: I'm a KGB sorceress, not a sorcerer sorceress. Hence, Adiva

527
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,360
Tucker's a fed, Candas is a fed lord, Valdemort's a fed,

528
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,119
Nick's a fed, Jay's a fed. Everyone's a fed. I

529
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:54,719
got an idea, what if we what if everybody applies

530
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,440
to the f beyond the CIA and we all become

531
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,239
FEDS and then nobody's a fed. Boom, we just beat

532
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,920
the system, dude, from the inside out.

533
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: You ever thought of that?

534
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 11: KGB baby contemporary competitive set FDA should joined Doug Wilson

535
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,840
for his little yukulele thing.

536
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: For a bit chin sola? What is bit chin is? That?

537
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:34,639
Speaker 6: Is that the Doug Wilson Triple Chin band. Doug Wilson

538
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:39,159
in the Triple Chins. That's the name of his, that's

539
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:46,159
the name of his. Uh Calvinist bluegrass man. Do everyone's

540
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:49,199
a fed? Sam shimund Oh, totally a fed? Everyone's everybody's

541
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:53,320
a fed? Who The question is who's not right? That's

542
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,840
the We gotta figure out who's not a fed?

543
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:55,079
Speaker 9: Now?

544
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 6: Everybody's We're all everyone, literally everyone is a fed now.

545
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,639
And it's kind of hard to prove that too, you

546
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:05,840
know what I mean, Like you can suspect, oh, he

547
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,360
might be because this didn't happen, or this happened and

548
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,639
this didn't happen, and then it's like, well, if that

549
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,800
is enough, then everyone's a fit.

550
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,079
Speaker 2: Now.

551
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:24,559
Speaker 6: FWIN tests did state today, which is an interesting.

552
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:28,639
Speaker 2: Point that or was he. I don't remember it's yesterday

553
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:29,199
or today, but.

554
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 6: The letter that was it Fanny Willis wrote at the

555
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,360
direction of Bill Barr Cia. Bill Barr was that there's

556
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,920
a list of people that need to be targeted and

557
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,960
the last three were Lord Voldemort.

558
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,039
Speaker 2: I forget who the other one was, and then the

559
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:57,800
last one was Nick. So that is an interesting piece

560
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,960
of data that has come forward. But I mean, I

561
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:10,119
don't know who knows inquire longer two dollars?

562
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 6: Does then do Eastern Catholics have sacraments since they have

563
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,159
the same theology, Well, they don't exactly have the same theology.

564
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,239
So in other words, just because you affirm the essence,

565
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,639
synergy distinction or something like that, it doesn't matter if

566
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:30,719
you're also in communion with this gigantic antichrist system. Right so,

567
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,000
and technically they also affirm papal supremacy, Vatican one and

568
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,840
all those things. Father Digan and nice you missed. People

569
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:45,320
are saying that you should join Doug Wilson's uh Bluegrass Calvinists,

570
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,679
Edge Lord Band, Boomer Edge Lord Band because you have

571
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,079
a quote little ukulele. I don't know what that reference is.

572
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,079
I mean, that's what they said, not me so. Quote

573
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,159
references to your little ukulele. That's what the super chatters.

574
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,199
Speaker 2: Are saying, not me so. But maybe there is a

575
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,440
future for Calvinist.

576
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: He's kind of Calvin's bluegrass band.

577
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't hear me playing the clip.

578
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:20,039
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, I did not hear you.

579
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 6: You're expected to be here on time for every single

580
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:23,440
time exactly.

581
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: That stinks, man.

582
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 6: Why you didn't get in it. You didn't get in

583
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,679
the band quick enough. You didn't make the cut. That's

584
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,159
what I wasn't part of the elect You weren't elect

585
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:38,360
That's good.

586
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,599
Speaker 3: Shoot man, all that dirty's up bluegrass.

587
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,199
Speaker 10: Well, we're just going to be like, well, we don't

588
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,559
like your kind of blue grass plays here.

589
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,079
Speaker 6: Well, Doug Wilson is going to institute and is a

590
00:38:53,239 --> 00:39:00,760
Calvinist Islamic dictatorship where women lose all their rights. This

591
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,760
because this CNN interview has twenty seven thousand views, like

592
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:07,239
I get more views on some of my live streams

593
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:07,400
of this.

594
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: Isn't he in Idaho? He is isn't his address? She's

595
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:17,920
in Idaho?

596
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:25,679
Speaker 10: And in fact, I remember talking to Father George Quoro

597
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,639
that people at his parish are becoming interested in Orthodoxy

598
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,000
probably because they're seeing the.

599
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: Failure of Doug Wilson. So right, let's pray for that. Well.

600
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 6: Actually, the Doug Wilson domain has for twenty years now,

601
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:45,599
after the Federal Vision Conference, it has been a pretty

602
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:49,360
consistent conduit to people converting Orthodoxy. I know tons of

603
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,199
people who became Orthodox.

604
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: Out of the Doug Wilson sphere. Yeah.

605
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,199
Speaker 6: And the reason for that, as I said, was that

606
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,400
back in two thousand and two and three, James Jordan,

607
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,159
Doug Wilson, and Peter Leiheart started reading Alexander Schmiman and

608
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,880
they found a lot of Schmilmann's arguments for Eucharist and

609
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,159
for pedal communion very appealing and convincing.

610
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: But hey, why.

611
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,119
Speaker 6: Convert the Orthodoxy when you can create your own made

612
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:18,599
up church?

613
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just pick and choose and build your own

614
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,360
now I think. Yeah, the last.

615
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 10: Time you were doing X space, something really interesting we

616
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,360
were talking about, uh, or you were talking about when

617
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,599
I was inside your head talking to you to talk

618
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:42,599
to the people after we did the FDA neural fitbit

619
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you know, installed into your head that.

620
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Speaker 3: These people would come out of cults.

621
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Speaker 10: And then do you remember we'd have a lot of

622
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people had called in who had come out of cults,

623
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and you found that really interesting.

624
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,559
Speaker 2: And then.

625
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: This went into.

626
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,519
Speaker 10: Kind of a deep guy discussion that you were you

627
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:09,519
were giving about campus crusade.

628
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because you know, the EOC was part

629
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,440
of campus crusade.

630
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's what we covered in that lost live stream.

631
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,840
That Watchman Meee was closely associated with campus crusade, as

632
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,079
was the Evangelical Orthodox Church, which is essentially what Doug

633
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,679
Wilson's doing now, but back in the nineteen seventies.

634
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 3: Now keep in mind, not all of that group became

635
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,679
Orthodox right right, And seemed to me.

636
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 10: That they were doing something very similar is that they

637
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,960
were like, well, we like this, and we'll just build this.

638
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: And tack this on and have our own.

639
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 10: And who knows the EOC at large might have that

640
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,920
kind of mentality. I think that you know, Father Peter

641
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:05,239
Gilquist and Lebrons and all the kind of people that

642
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,280
are involved in that. I think they kind of came

643
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,400
to their senses and realized, we we can't do this,

644
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:12,760
We've got to be under authority, and that, you know,

645
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,880
caused a break. But you know, this is what happened

646
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,559
up here in Montana as well, Misinta Cole.

647
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,519
Speaker 3: But the Scott's.

648
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:31,079
Speaker 10: If you remember the megachurch here in Missoui over in Missoula, Montana,

649
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,719
it's like two thousand people. And this became like all

650
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,000
the news last year, like oh my gosh, Scott's talking

651
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,079
about like orthodoxy and like we're going to two thousand.

652
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: It's going to be like an eoc And well they

653
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,480
were doing the same thing.

654
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:51,159
Speaker 10: Now Scott left that, he stepped down and we made

655
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,639
him father Andrew and I and Father Russell made it

656
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:57,239
a cate Ofcuman. So like he's he's in. He's no

657
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,320
longer associated with that church. But what happened is the

658
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,480
rest of the people were like.

659
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: Well, we like all these things and we'll build this, but.

660
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 19: That other.

661
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: We don't want.

662
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: It's such a Protestant.

663
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 6: It's a totally Protestant mentality. Yeah, I pick and choose

664
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,159
what I want, what I how I want to.

665
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:22,679
Speaker 2: Make the church.

666
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,199
Speaker 6: And so everybody everybody's talking about Rid Vaughan, ap. I mean,

667
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,079
I don't I don't know what to say because I

668
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:33,079
tried to explain to him, to David Wood, to everybody

669
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:36,079
that I mean, all you can do is continue to

670
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:39,159
try to reason with people and if they want to

671
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,559
go on a crusade for Zionism, I mean, what do

672
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:43,079
you what?

673
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:44,599
Speaker 2: What do you? What am I supposed to?

674
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,519
Speaker 6: There's nothing I can do, so I mean what I

675
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:51,000
typically do when uh. And I think FDA would agree

676
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,119
with this approach too. Is you know, when you meet

677
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,559
people a lot nowadays we live a lot of times,

678
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,599
meet people online. You try to be as an influence

679
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:03,480
as you can, and then you give it time. And

680
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,880
after a while, when it becomes evident that you know

681
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,679
people are going in their own direction and you know

682
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,800
they're not interested in your position or what you're trying

683
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,599
to help them with, you do you let people go? H.

684
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,880
It's the same with it's not mouth sound if father Deacon,

685
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,519
can you mute when you're not if you're I'm not

686
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,039
telling you about to talk, but just when you're not talking,

687
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:34,760
because we hear a lot of background noise. So you know,

688
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,480
you give it time and then you move on. For example,

689
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:44,199
with Sam Schimun, Uh. You know, I maintained a friendly

690
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,800
relationship with him for four years somewhere in there, five

691
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,719
maybe five, and then out of nowhere, you know, I

692
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,760
asked him in Goofus to do a debate and everything

693
00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:00,079
spiraled out of control. There time to move on. So

694
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,360
that's what I think. I mean, that's the only way

695
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,639
really to navigate not just the sphere of media, but

696
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:09,679
your life as well. When people are not interested, there's

697
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,320
not much else you can do.

698
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: I mean, if if AP is gonna call.

699
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 6: Very respectful Orthodox priests like Father John Whiteford liar, it's

700
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:19,639
time to just move on.

701
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to do.

702
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 6: I mean, if they're not going to listen to people

703
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,480
in the Orthodox Church, then they can just move on

704
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,239
to I guess he would go to evangelicalism.

705
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,199
Speaker 2: Or something like that.

706
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 6: But don't you think that's the wise course of action here.

707
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,239
It's like at a certain point, you just if people

708
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,639
are not interested, what are you gonna do? Just make

709
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,880
videos calling them out every day? What's the point?

710
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 3: It's a waste?

711
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 10: I mean, shoot, I should start teaching courses just in

712
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,559
time management, like are you managing your time?

713
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:49,199
Speaker 3: Like? Why are you wasting your time with.

714
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:52,119
Speaker 6: That's a good way to put it. Yeah, it's also

715
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:52,760
your own.

716
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: Time, right, Like it's in your own time. You're not

717
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:59,119
gonna it doesn't look like you could convince them then

718
00:45:59,199 --> 00:45:59,679
then move on.

719
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 10: Put through you know, energy into other stuff like and

720
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,559
he can't force somebody.

721
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 3: To play something to.

722
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 13: Like, so I I like, you know, the best thing

723
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,280
I always thought for him and the process of his

724
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,880
catechsis and maybe even new fight get off the internet.

725
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 2: Right.

726
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: We've seen this with a lot of people who.

727
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 10: You know, uh, big Internet presence and converted to Orthodoxy.

728
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:39,280
It's extremely difficult for and for their own humility and growth.

729
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,519
It would be best that I think, you know, get

730
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:45,840
out there, just log off.

731
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,199
Speaker 3: I mean, look what Roos did. I'm really proud of.

732
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 6: Right, And that might be also because he kind of thought,

733
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,559
you know, he might want to go into monastic life.

734
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,800
I don't know if he has or that that was

735
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,599
kind of the rumor going around. That might have been

736
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,920
what spurred him to just leave the internet. But yeah,

737
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,760
I mean here's two versions of conversion that uh, you know,

738
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,239
Rouge was making a living on the internet, so he

739
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,119
was in many ways kind of giving.

740
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,599
Speaker 2: Up his his.

741
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, right by by deciding to become Orthodox and choosing

742
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,880
to you know, stop yapping on the internet for a while.

743
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: You know.

744
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,199
Speaker 6: Kat Vonde is another example who you know, she she

745
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,320
doesn't she's not really a teacher, but you know, she

746
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,159
continues to do her music and talks about or shows

747
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,519
visual imagery of Orthodoxy. But she's not trying to like

748
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:46,639
teach everybody. She's not obnoxiously like on Twitter sounding off

749
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,239
against you know, everybody and every and all the you know,

750
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,840
all the people out there as if she knows better

751
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,039
when she's only been in this for what a year

752
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:55,559
or whatever?

753
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 3: So shene Who's another good.

754
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 10: Example, you know, he's a friend of mine. I'm going

755
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,159
to see him this weekend. But Scott Cloud, who's the

756
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,559
was the pastor.

757
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:09,679
Speaker 2: A megachurch pastor.

758
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, think about what he had and I'm

759
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:13,960
going to bring him on. I'm an interview.

760
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,559
Speaker 3: I think he has what do they call that?

761
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,599
Speaker 10: It's an agreement with the church when he stepped down

762
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:27,599
that he would remain a quiet about it for a

763
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:28,239
period of time.

764
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,599
Speaker 3: What is that call? It's illegal?

765
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:31,559
Speaker 2: I don't know, an da.

766
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 6: Yes, anyways, a mega church India.

767
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:44,679
Speaker 10: Here's a man who had celebrity status, he really did,

768
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:51,599
huge income and laid it all aside to become Orthodox,

769
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,960
probably like cast out a lot of a lot of

770
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,960
you know hate.

771
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 3: That's an and he he hasn't gone on and been

772
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,079
like well, you know what I'm gonna do.

773
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 10: I'mna just roll this into a podcast or like I'll

774
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,199
build he knew the right way. He was like humbled

775
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,039
himself to step down out of the limelight. And that's

776
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:21,599
another somebody had a huge fallen, big celebrity status and

777
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:26,480
so I'm really proud of him too. Yeah, I mean,

778
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,880
just right ways and wrong ways to do things.

779
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say, one can read.

780
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 6: The other thing too, is to be kind of close

781
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,880
to your confessor or spiritual father when you're doing this,

782
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,159
because he's gonna be the one that guide you in.

783
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: Something that you've talked.

784
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 6: About that you've noticed a lot is that the people

785
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,679
who's inquiring in catechumen phases go bad, usually they stop

786
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,280
doing that and they go off on their own, right.

787
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're making all their own decisions especially.

788
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 10: I mean, look, we're not saying you can't have like

789
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,360
a online you know, and do stuff like that, but uh,

790
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,199
you should be You shouldn't be doing it by it.

791
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,920
You should be getting guidance from your spiritual and priests,

792
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,000
like what do I do? You know, how do I

793
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,480
move forward to this? If I have a public persona

794
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:20,840
or something like that, otherwise you're your own person. I mean,

795
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,480
first of all, I already do that, you know, with

796
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:26,760
my own social media and participate faith.

797
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 3: I don't make my own decisions. I have a whole

798
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,039
board and.

799
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:32,519
Speaker 10: Priests where I'm like, this is a good idea, it's

800
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:34,760
going to be you know, what should I do?

801
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: That's as orthodoxy.

802
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 10: You know, And I'm not saying you need to call

803
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:44,079
your priests be like should I go to home people today?

804
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 3: Or what about this?

805
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 2: Or what like?

806
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,079
Speaker 10: You know what, I mean, you can get autistic about,

807
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:50,960
but you know what I'm generally saying, like you should

808
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,039
have the the insight to know, but like this is

809
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:59,400
an issue, perhaps it's a career decision that's gonna affect

810
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,039
you're like perhap apps and stuff that you're online, Like, yeah,

811
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:04,800
you should be talking to you a price about it.

812
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:08,719
You shouldn't be making your own decisions on And like

813
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,280
you said, no, I don't think these people are doing that.

814
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,599
And is it a shocker that they run off the

815
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:19,400
rails and start saying stuff and doing stuff? It's mal very.

816
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,599
Speaker 2: Orthodox, right alphinism, what's up? Man? I'm mute, thank you.

817
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,639
I appreciate that for alphinism. What's up? You want to

818
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:26,599
I'm mute.

819
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,039
Speaker 6: Alpha Alphonsie and I'm mute.

820
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: You're on, You're on, Okay.

821
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:39,199
Speaker 3: Let me come.

822
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,119
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back.

823
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 10: I'm gonna talk to uh my godsriend about tags but

824
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,320
that we're doing, and I'll get back to you.

825
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll come back on Alphonsi and do you want

826
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,840
to talk? You're right here waiting on you. I'm mute.

827
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,119
You're a Roman Catholic and you waited this whole time

828
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:03,159
to not talk. Okay, good job, dude. It's raptor. What's up?

829
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: Man?

830
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:16,599
Speaker 2: It's raptor on you.

831
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 6: Nobody knows how to work this, Like, hello, can you

832
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:22,000
hear me?

833
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: How?

834
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: What's that?

835
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 16: Man?

836
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,079
Speaker 9: Hey?

837
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 22: Just wanted to quickly say, first off, but I'm a

838
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:27,800
big fan of what you do.

839
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: I appreciate what you're doing, and I'm a believer in God.

840
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,039
Speaker 22: But I guess the only question I had regarding the

841
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,719
transcendental argument, which is one that I believe firmly well,

842
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,199
one reputation that I see most commonly amongst atheists who

843
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,920
try to refute TAG is try to involve the plate

844
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,360
in his view to try to see if these transcendental

845
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,320
categories could be grounded in the materialistic world view, which

846
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,719
I know you have some contentions with. You can't really

847
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,639
ground things in the materialistic worldview. But as a beginner

848
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,760
to physics and philosophy and all these kinds of things,

849
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:06,039
I'm learning here, So I always wanted to ask you

850
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:06,760
how tag.

851
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, just look up the critiques that we have of

852
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,000
Platonism and neoplatonism. I mean, Platonism can't give an account

853
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,159
for why there is many versus one.

854
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: It's just stated to be the case.

855
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 6: Platonism has no justification for why one is metaphysically superior

856
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:28,239
to the many, for why eternality and states this is

857
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:34,559
metaphysically superior to change. Platonism has no way to ground

858
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:40,400
or relate the timeless, unchanging rum of the forms to

859
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:46,000
the world of flux and change, because the things are

860
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,960
cashed out in Platonism as opposites. So if they're opposites,

861
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,159
then there's no relationship between the two. And I know

862
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,760
that Plato thinks that there are analogous and participatory relations,

863
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,400
but it doesn't make sense as to why. So you

864
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,400
also need intentionality and personhood for the absolute. Plato's absolute

865
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,079
is an impersonal monad, and so there is no then

866
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:12,719
order or meaning in the world because this world is

867
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,480
ultimately in a diminished ontological status that is a pale

868
00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:20,360
reflection of the ideal or the original or the one.

869
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,719
So this world is a prison, this world is a trap,

870
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,840
This world is something to escape from. And that's the

871
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,320
opposite of the Christian perspective, where this world is good,

872
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,760
this world is something to appreciate, and God stepped in

873
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,320
the time and space in order to heal this world

874
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,159
in this dimension, in this realm. That's the opposite of

875
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:42,639
the Platonic perspective. And so Platonism is based on a

876
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:46,360
lot of dialectics that it can't overcome. And again, if

877
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,840
reality as a whole is dysteleological or non intentional, then

878
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,679
you don't have a justification for telos tellos or meaning

879
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,679
because ultimate reality, the absolute, is impersonal, So you need

880
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,599
a personal deity for all of collective reality to be intentional.

881
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:15,440
D Hello, Yeah, what's up?

882
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 9: Oh wow, that's crazy? How's going?

883
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: What's crazy?

884
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:21,639
Speaker 3: Oh?

885
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:22,599
Speaker 9: I didn't I guess.

886
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 18: I didn't expect to be accepted that quickly.

887
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 6: How's it going, man, local, it's.

888
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 18: Crazy, I'm fluent, It's not really so I just had

889
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:45,320
a question about your views on creationism and uh evolution.

890
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,480
And I've heard in clips from you before, and if

891
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:51,880
that's okay, if you're if that's a topic you're willing

892
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,119
to speak about, I guess.

893
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 6: The topics are pretty much anything. Yeah, I don't believe

894
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:57,719
in macro evolution.

895
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm a skeptic of that, okay.

896
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 18: And one of the things I've heard you say is

897
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,599
based on the underdeterminization of.

898
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 15: Data, underdetermination or underdetermination of data. Sorry, And I guess

899
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,840
what you reference in that is that the data can

900
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,840
be interpreted either way.

901
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 9: If I'm understanding that correctly.

902
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a topic in the philosophy of science. That

903
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:28,639
has to do with the fact that multiple paradigms can

904
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:34,039
interpret raw data accurately and sufficiently. So raw data itself

905
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:40,519
can't necessarily tell you which is the right paradigm.

906
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 18: Right, And I guess wouldn't a prerequisite of that be

907
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:48,639
that the creation's paradigm explains the raw data sufficiently.

908
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:49,679
Speaker 2: Well?

909
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 6: The point is that you could conceivably have in both

910
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,440
paradigms explanations for I don't know, endogenous retroviruses. Both a

911
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:03,280
creation account and a evolutionary account can say why we

912
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:07,280
see something like this, or why we see similarity in

913
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:10,679
DNA between a human and a chimp and a lizard.

914
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:15,800
So both models can explain that. And so the point

915
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,880
is that in most of the evolutionary or scientism dominated paradigms,

916
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,920
they think of these Hold on a second, they think

917
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:29,480
of the the data being able to tell you which

918
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:33,280
paradigm is true, and it doesn't. So the point is not.

919
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:37,599
The point is more than just that the creationist account

920
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:39,960
can account for the similarity in the in the in

921
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,679
the design of different beings.

922
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 18: And when you say account for or explain, are you

923
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:51,760
using a scientific definition to consider that, or.

924
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 6: It's a question of epistemology, meaning justification in a broader sense.

925
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,159
So I'm using the philosophical term in epistemology for how

926
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:06,320
we account for our paradigms, our world views, our presuppositions,

927
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:12,119
or axioms. Okay, philosophy of science is its own discipline.

928
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:16,360
If you take some philosophy courses or epistemology classes, you'll

929
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,320
get into what's called a niche discipline called philosophy of science.

930
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,559
And that's where this underdetermination of data thesis comes from.

931
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,599
Speaker 18: Okay, and I guess you know philosophy science. But when

932
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:35,480
you get down to actual science, wouldn't there be requisites

933
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:38,840
to being what can be adequately explained by a particular

934
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,039
model or another.

935
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: Science?

936
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 6: In terms of empirical sense, data cannot tell you what

937
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:48,400
paradigm model is correct because it goes beyond the purview

938
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,639
of scientific empirical sense data.

939
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Speaker 2: That's a very limited tool.

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Speaker 18: So do you Hey, science can't tell us what's wrong

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and right, So you think that it can't tell you

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what I.

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Speaker 2: Said, So you're just making assumptions. You didn't listen to

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what I said.

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Speaker 6: I said, Okay, data is limited as empirical sense data

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and can't tell you what paradigm or worldview is correct.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 18: A worldview would be a separate topic because a worldview

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could be could be a misinterpretation as well correct.

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Speaker 9: Like, wouldn't you have to the worldview that you.

951
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Speaker 18: Know whether there is or isn't a god wouldn't necessarily

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be Let me give an idea whether there is or

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isn't evolution, or the Earth is or isn't.

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Speaker 6: Don't you're not understanding what we're talking about here. I'm

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talking about a domain of philosophy called epistemology, and you

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continue to think of it in the realm of scientific experimentation.

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I'm saying that epistemology is prior to that because it's

958
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asking more fundamental, broader questions about how science is possible.

959
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That's the issue at root that is being debated, not

960
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whether or not we do science, or whether or not

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science can tell us facts about the natural world. I'm

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saying that science is like a tool, but a tool

963
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can't tell you where the universe came from, or where even.

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Speaker 2: The tool came from.

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Speaker 6: The tool has a use, but it's limited in the

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scope of what it can tell you. So the scientific method,

967
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for example, can't tell you how we got the scientific method,

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or whether the scientific method is reliable.

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Speaker 18: Well, that would that would be a separate question, yes,

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But I think the scientific method would be demonstrated reliable

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by the fact that you use it.

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Speaker 6: You should you should take in a pistemology class, because

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you're just stating sort of basic stuff that is not

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even you're missing the point of what we're asking.

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Speaker 2: The fact that you use is something as I.

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Speaker 18: Have I have.

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Speaker 6: I can tell by what you're saying that you haven't

978
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or you didn't list and you slept through it.

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Speaker 18: Okay, I mean that's that's fair idea kind of avoiding

980
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this seems like a way of you trying to avoid

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the fact that you have no.

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Speaker 6: You literally don't understand what I'm saying. You want it

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to sound smart on the stream, and you're not aware

984
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of the basics, and so you're not You don't even

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know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what justified true belief is?

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Speaker 9: I was actually just because what.

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Speaker 2: Is justified true belief? Can I ask you what is

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justified true belief?

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Speaker 3: Can?

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Speaker 9: Can I ask you what.

992
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,039
Speaker 2: Is justified true belief?

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01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 18: Justified true belief, I would say, is a belief that

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is demonstratably and repeatably true.

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01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: No, that's not what justified true belief means.

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01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 6: That would be the first class, that would be the

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first thing that you would learn, because that's what you

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learn early on in epistemology.

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Speaker 2: Glasses.

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Speaker 9: Okay, well I've taken one. It was a while ago.

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01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: How are you not aware of the basics?

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01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 18: Well, I mean I don't know, because it was, you know,

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twelve years ago.

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Speaker 9: And I'll do this every day like you, Jay.

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Speaker 18: I'm honestly trying to have a conversation with you. I'd

1006
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like to ask you, Well, you have a.

1007
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Speaker 6: Question I'm slowly and precisely answering and working through every

1008
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question that you ask, and then you insert the insult

1009
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that I'm trying to avoid the questions that you're asking,

1010
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,719
And that's what pisses me off. Why would I be

1011
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:27,840
spending my time sitting here answering precisely your questions and

1012
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:32,639
delineating the difference between a theory and a scientific thesis

1013
01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:34,960
and a paradigm if I'm trying to get away from

1014
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:35,559
your questions.

1015
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Speaker 18: Okay, I didn't mean it as an insult, and I'm

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sorry if I upset you.

1017
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Speaker 9: I really am not.

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Speaker 18: I honestly had seen some of your videos. I was

1019
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:48,679
coming to ask because when you say that one of

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the paradigms, both paradigms can adequately explain the raw data, I.

1021
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 9: Don't understand that.

1022
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Speaker 18: So I was coming to ask what you see from

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a creation perspective that would explain any of the data

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we see.

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Speaker 2: So let me give you an example.

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Speaker 6: So, if I have a creationist model, if God created

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all the beings in his image, and primarily man in

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his image, and then the created order has a single origin,

1029
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,679
a single creator, that's one reason why we would see

1030
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:25,480
similarity between the DNA of a human and a chimpanzee. Right,

1031
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:31,519
the let me finish the The evolutionary model also says

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01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,880
that I can explain the similarity, and that's because they

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have a common descent and line of origin. So both

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of those explanations explain.

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Speaker 2: I'm not it doesn't.

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Speaker 6: I know, you don't like one better than the other,

1037
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but they both have explanatory power. So you're misunderstanding that

1038
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under determination of data just simply means that you can't

1039
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,880
just get more raw data because it's not going to

1040
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,840
tell you which paradigm is correct, because both can have

1041
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explanatory power for the same data.

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Speaker 2: That's all it means.

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Speaker 6: It's not saying that Christianity is true because of underdetermination

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01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:11,800
of data thesis. That's the I never said that. It's

1045
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:17,480
just simply saying that the data itself requires a theory,

1046
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,760
and data is theory. Laden that's all it means.

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01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:25,079
Speaker 18: Okay, And so just to respond what you said, and

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01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,320
then I'll be done unless you have a follow up.

1049
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,880
So what you just said was that's not a scientific

1050
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,119
explanation explanation. It sounds in a two second bit like,

1051
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:40,280
oh well it's again.

1052
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,239
Speaker 2: You don't you don't even understand the bass.

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01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 6: You don't even understand the basics because it's so stupid.

1054
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,159
Speaker 2: Man. Honestly, what you're saying is so dumb. Man. I'm struggling.

1055
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:54,039
Speaker 6: I've been very patient, and it's like, yeah, so, I mean,

1056
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:56,920
you don't even understand what are the basics of philosophy

1057
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,440
science and why that's prior to the doing of science.

1058
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:02,159
And we can make this really simple, really quick. How

1059
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:03,719
do you know the scientific method is.

1060
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 9: True because you test it? And if you can, how.

1061
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: Do you test the method itself?

1062
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:12,519
Speaker 18: The method itself, You make predictions and they have explanatory powers.

1063
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 6: The method itself, you don't even understand. You can't even

1064
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,880
understand the question I'm asking you. You think I'm asking

1065
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,440
you if we do science and if science predicts things.

1066
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:25,599
I'm asking you a higher order question the method itself,

1067
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:28,840
the scientific method itself, is that under a microscope?

1068
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 9: No, it's a logical principle.

1069
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: Oh it's a logical principle.

1070
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 6: Is logic found under a microscope?

1071
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,199
Speaker 9: No it's it's not.

1072
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 6: Oh so you believe in things that you can't see.

1073
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,159
Speaker 9: I do believe in in thought, yes, Oh.

1074
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:49,519
Speaker 2: So logic is thought. Yes, logic is thought. So the scientific.

1075
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,719
Speaker 6: Method of describing thoughts society method is only in your head.

1076
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:57,519
Speaker 18: That, yeah, what do you think is like floating around

1077
01:05:57,679 --> 01:05:58,039
or something?

1078
01:05:58,079 --> 01:05:58,239
Speaker 9: Now?

1079
01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:01,039
Speaker 6: Right, so the scientific method is only in your head.

1080
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: Good job, dude.

1081
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:04,519
Speaker 6: This is why it's impossible to talk to people who

1082
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:07,840
are extremely confident in their ignorance.

1083
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: Eightly, what's up man?

1084
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 6: He didn't even realize that he was walking right into

1085
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:19,360
the most ridiculous easy trap. Affirming that the scientific method

1086
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:26,480
is thought and is in his head. Then you can't prove,

1087
01:06:26,679 --> 01:06:30,039
test it or verify it if it's only in your head.

1088
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:32,519
And if you're a materialist, then what's in your head

1089
01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:36,800
is just random neurons firing and it's not even actually

1090
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:37,480
a method.

1091
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:43,599
Speaker 2: It's like a dream. Amazing. Eightly, what's up man? I'm you.

1092
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,320
Let's up with Chalie. Thanks for having me up again.

1093
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:50,039
Speaker 23: I just had a quick question I wanted to run

1094
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:50,480
by you.

1095
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,159
Speaker 19: Somebody sent me some.

1096
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 24: I think that Faraji guy or whatever his name is,

1097
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,920
the guy that used to be Oriental orthodoxical. But it

1098
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,239
made me think, and maybe you can drag meim wrong,

1099
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,599
But it seems to me that these sol scripture enjoyers,

1100
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,960
they are textualists.

1101
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,039
Speaker 3: Basically, when it comes.

1102
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,519
Speaker 23: To the Bible, but when it comes to like the Constitution,

1103
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,079
they would be orthodox or an originalist. Do you see

1104
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:21,519
that as like a contradictory standard between those two.

1105
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:27,039
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that they just kind of make

1106
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:27,800
it up as they go.

1107
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 6: I mean, I've met Protestants who believe that Marbury versus

1108
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:38,239
Madison was the beginning of the end of America because

1109
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:41,760
the Supreme Court was operating like a papal magisterium. So

1110
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,639
it just really depends on what Protestant you're even talking about,

1111
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,320
Troy America, what's up? But I think ultimately overall it's inconsistent.

1112
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,360
I'm just like these people who are like Reddit science people.

1113
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,119
Speaker 2: They're so arrogant and so annoying, and.

1114
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 6: They don't even they had don't even know like how

1115
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,480
much they don't know. And then they come on and

1116
01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:03,719
you tell them very precisely with your answers, and then they're.

1117
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,639
Speaker 2: Like, who is avoiding when I'm asking you? Because the

1118
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:08,280
scientific meth, dude, the sith.

1119
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,239
Speaker 6: The scientific methods like this deity that they appeal to,

1120
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,719
and then you start drilling into what it is, where

1121
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,760
it is, how it is, how do we justify it?

1122
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:17,560
And they just like said the stupidest stuff you've ever

1123
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,439
you've ever thought of. The scientific method is thoughts, and

1124
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,800
logic is thoughts in my head?

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Speaker 9: All right, jaking you hear me?

1126
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:28,279
Speaker 2: Yep.

1127
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 9: I wanted to say happy Bitcoin at.

1128
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,239
Speaker 25: All time high day, although I think we're off by

1129
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:38,720
about one hundred there, we're right there, man, We're one

1130
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,319
hundred twenty three thousand right.

1131
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:42,079
Speaker 2: Now, and congrats to the bros.

1132
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,159
Speaker 3: And my question is do you think we'll hit it

1133
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,800
this stream? Do you think we'll hit it the end

1134
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,560
of the day? Right over the week? All time?

1135
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 20: Hi?

1136
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 21: Uh?

1137
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 2: What was the all time high? Twelve?

1138
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 5: So I'm looking at trading view here and I'm seeing

1139
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:05,680
one two three two six on July fourteenth, probably to night.

1140
01:09:07,159 --> 01:09:09,319
Speaker 3: All right, I'm hoping, all right, thank you.

1141
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,199
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. M Yeah, good Ques.

1142
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,359
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I don't know, but if it's that closed,

1143
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,239
it's probably probably gonna do it.

1144
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 2: Dylan, what's up, dude, Bob Dylan? What's on your mind?

1145
01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:33,840
Yee babe? You mean good man? Dylan Dylan, I'm you.

1146
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,399
Speaker 22: Oh, sorry, I didn't realize I was up.

1147
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 3: Hey, j how's it going good?

1148
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

1149
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 19: Hey? I wanted to kind of get your your thoughts

1150
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:51,159
on UH. It's a topic about dispensationalism. So with UH,

1151
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:54,279
I've changed my view over the years. But I came

1152
01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:57,600
across a paper I wrote for a class about two

1153
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,319
years ago, got talked about dispense. Say, now, I kind

1154
01:10:01,319 --> 01:10:04,960
of want to understand I guess the Orthodox perspective of

1155
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,039
how they answer what at that time I saw as

1156
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:14,000
a pitfall, which was, if the Church is the continuation

1157
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:16,800
of Israel, that's is that the crict teaching?

1158
01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 26: Yeah, okay, So if there's a continuation.

1159
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 19: Of Israel, the true Israel, when you have.

1160
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Speaker 27: Commandments from the Old Testament, like in the Ten Commandments,

1161
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:36,479
things like observing the Sabbath being for you know, all generations,

1162
01:10:37,159 --> 01:10:37,840
and then.

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Speaker 19: The traditional Saturday Sabbath is no longer a held tradition,

1164
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:45,279
what I guess is like the justification for that.

1165
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:49,239
Speaker 6: So it's not a contradiction, right, So the eternal Sabbath,

1166
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:53,520
Hebrews four says, was fulfilled when Christ rested in the

1167
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,239
tomb and when he rested at the.

1168
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: Right hand of the Father in the ascension.

1169
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Speaker 6: So Hebrews four clears that up for you and tells

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you that it is eternal Sabbath, and it is the

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Sabbath rest that we have in Christ ultimately in the resurrection,

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which is a present reality that he brought at his

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first advent and especially at the Ascension. So Hebrews four

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answers your question. And the Orthodox Church on Saturday vesper services,

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we actually do still honor the seventh Day. So you

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should read Hebrews and maybe read Hebrews three or four

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times through Jacob.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 2: But good question.

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Speaker 19: Hey, hey, j can you hear me?

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01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 2: Uh huh?

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Speaker 3: Hey, So I was want to call in because.

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Speaker 5: That's all you were talking about, Doug Wilson and Cerric

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and all that.

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Speaker 3: My close immediate family is all Cerric. My dad is

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actually a elder in the church there, Okay, And so

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I wanted to just call and ask you, like what

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you think?

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Speaker 4: But how how can I talk to them about Christian nationalism?

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Speaker 25: What's your opinion on that sort of thing?

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Speaker 3: Like what do you think on that? Like what the

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01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:02,359
main refute like defeats for that?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean I have a lot of older talks

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on how the nation state should be Christian. But the

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problem is that you can't have a Christian nation state

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without a single church. So, for example, we know that

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you know, God doesn't want the worship of foreign God's entities,

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et cetera. So if you're going to use this model

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of Israel as kind of a model for a Christian

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state or Christian theocracy, how are you going to legislate

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or you know, choose between what kinds of crazy cults

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and sex are allowed, for example, kind of Jehovah's witness

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continue to have their quote worship and their proselytization in

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a Christian civilization or society. I mean, if you're consistent

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01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:54,760
with it, No, you can't. You have to you have

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to not have anti trinitarian groups. Okay, well where's the line.

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Well that's because there's one church church. So that what

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they're missing is that you can't have pan Protestantism and

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have a Christian theocracy. Are you going to unite with

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the tens of thousands of different skittles, fake ass Christian

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groups and sex out there. I mean, that's insane, It's

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never gonna work. It's crazy. The only way to have symphonia,

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which is what these idiots are looking for, which is

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the history of the church, is to have one church.

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You're not gonna have Protestant Symphonia, you idiots. So it's

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first and foremost heresy because Doug Wilson is an anti

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Trinitarian heretic, it appears. Secondly, you got to have the

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Orthodox faith to have a Christian government because you need

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the Church to coronate in a coronation service the Christian

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ruler or emperor or king. That's the entire history of

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the Orthodox and the Christian Church in the East, and

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even the Latin Church the West had the same basic

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model until I don't know, even in the Middle Ages,

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like the the Latin Church still understood, you know, the

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two spheres of governance between church and state. To a degree,

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even the pope was like overstepping his bounds and becoming

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himself the Quiza's haterac they still had.

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Speaker 2: The same idea.

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Speaker 6: So that's what the Byzantine Eagle is intended to signify.

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It's two heads of the same body, right, church and

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state working together in Symphonia. But what all of these

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idiots who are probably going to be baited by a

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bunch of Feds don't understand is that it doesn't work

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with Calvinism and Protestantism because those are not real churches

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and they're sects that don't have any authority or historicity

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other than a few hundred years of Calvinism and whatever, Lutheranism, whatever.

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It has to be the Church that existed from the beginning,

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because that church alone has the authority from Christ, because

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it has apostolic succession. Doug Wilson has no episotic succession.

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Doug Wilson has his own made up denomination and sect.

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How in the world could we join together with zillions

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of schismatics, heretics and crazy cult people to form a

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Christian It's insane, it's idiotic. But they're right about one thing,

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which is that it's true that if Christians are beat

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down and told to be whimps and losers and weak,

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that the atheist, the Satanists, the secularist, the whatever, the

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Zionists they're not, they will they will take power. You're

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only evil if you want power as a Christian. That's

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supposed to be somehow evil or something. That's not the

1251
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,159
history of the church. Okay, But it's also not Joel

1252
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:44,680
Webon or Smug Wilson or any of these people taking

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power and becoming their own cult leaders as they are

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without actual.

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Speaker 2: Historical, normative authority.

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Speaker 6: You also, don't convert the nation by converting the government.

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This is so dumb. I can't believe that people are

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so naive to fall for this or to think that.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, man, we'll just gather together with JD. Events and

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Doug Wilson and all the right wing Christians and we'll

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create a Christian government and then we'll enact Christian lawls

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and it'll be a new Calvinist Orthodox tradcat Byzante.

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Speaker 6: You you're just fed baite, you dummy. The only way

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that you have a Christian Orthodox government is when the

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majority of the people have converted to Orthodoxy and they

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want it. It's not gonna work to force that top down. However,

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the one thing that all of these people are correct

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about is that somebody.

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Speaker 2: Will exercise power.

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Speaker 6: And if Christians are so stupid as to think that,

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and this is ultimately a Reformation heresy. Okay, it's not

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a tradcat heresy. This is ultimately a heresy out of

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the Reformation and the spread of Evangelicalism and all this stuff.

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Is to think that somehow the state is anti is

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antithetical to God, as if God didn't create the state,

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and if as if authority in the state also doesn't

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come from God.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 6: So when the when the early Church converted the Roman Empire,

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not by force, but by three centuries of martyrs. The

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emperors became Christian eventually, and they began after Theodosius and

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after Justinian to enact Christian laws. Look up the Code

1283
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of Justinian. Okay, so it took three, four or five

1284
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six hundred years to do that. You're not going to

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get that with fed tards forcing the government to be

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Christian nationalists, with Vance and Teel or whatever.

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Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 6: But I mean a lot of this I think also

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kind of dupes and appeals to like naive twenty year

1290
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old guys that are genuinely want to be right wing

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and concerned. I was the same way right when I

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was twenty. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm a Calvinist reconstructionist.

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I liked Doug Doug Wilson. I used to read Doug

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Wilson back when I was twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's make it.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna convert America to you know, reform Christianity.

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Speaker 2: And you know I was.

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Speaker 6: I was a hardcore reconstructionist back in the day. And

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even when I was a Calvinist Reconstructionist, reading Bonson and

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Van Till and Rush Juni and Doug Wilson and James

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Jordan and Gary North.

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Speaker 2: I read all these guys. One thing that stuck out

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to me.

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Speaker 6: I had an argument with my Calvinists pastor one day,

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and it illustrates the problem with this idiotic position. And

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that was over whether or not Jovah's witnesses in the

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Christian theocracy would be allowed to exist and do their

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thing because the Reconstructionist Calvinists pastor that I had he

1309
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argued that they would be allowed to because they named

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the name Jehovah. And he said, if they followed with

1311
01:18:58,319 --> 01:19:03,640
the laws of the Reconstructionist Calvinist Christian National Estate, they

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could exist and have their thing. I argued, no, wait

1313
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a minute, because blasphemy or teaching against the One True

1314
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God is like the number one, you know, that's pretty

1315
01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:18,000
high up in the Ten Commandments, So why would we

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allow an aryan sect?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 6: By that logic, Muslims.

1319
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 2: Would also exist in that society.

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Speaker 6: Right, So I realized that what that highlights is Protestantism's

1321
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,880
church relativism, right because of the invisible Church doctrine because oh,

1322
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,880
we're all actually Christians, bro and ecumenism is ultimately a

1323
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,840
Protestant heresy, even if it was promoted and taught by

1324
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,279
the papacy Originally, you could argue it's not going to

1325
01:19:50,399 --> 01:19:54,359
work when nobody has a shared common Christian faith.

1326
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Speaker 2: Duh, you need the same faith. The same state works.

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Speaker 6: That's how Byzantium was the most successful empire in world history,

1328
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or at least in Western civilizational history, with the most

1329
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successful currency for eleven hundred years.

1330
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Speaker 2: The bezant.

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Speaker 6: Was because they had the same faith, and they had

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the same emperor, and they had kings together united with

1333
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the same faith. That's how it worked. It doesn't work.

1334
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Look at when the Protestants arose. You had Protestant nation

1335
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:38,279
states with state rulers behind the various Reformation movements except

1336
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:41,079
for Zwingli, right, I mean maybe he's Wingley had some

1337
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,640
degree of political power. But you know in Geneva, Calvin

1338
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,640
kind of becomes a sort of theocrat. Luther has the

1339
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German princess supporting him.

1340
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Speaker 2: Mike is cutting out. Shouldn't be glitching? What's glitching? Let

1341
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me see? Does this sound good?

1342
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Speaker 6: That's weird because it reads consistent stream consistent. Let me

1343
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check the notifications to see, Oh, there was a brief

1344
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Internet disconnection. It's storming, so it might be because there's

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a storm outside.

1346
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Speaker 2: Are we good?

1347
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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: If you it refresh, can everybody hear me? Everything good? Okay?

1349
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Speaker 6: So I think it was just a brief snapfood because

1350
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of the storm. But yeah, anyway, So that's the point

1351
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is that, you know, when you read the first thousand

1352
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years of Christianity, you realize that there's a close parallel

1353
01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:53,640
between the one orthodox Catholic faith that everyone has and

1354
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the state, which is the aid and the supporter and

1355
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the diaconos to that church. And so ultimately it is

1356
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the church that has the divine authority to coorinate the king,

1357
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the ruler, the emperor. And it does not work obviously

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when there's twenty thousand different competing faiths. Obviously that's nonsensical theology.

1359
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What's up do you want to imute?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

1361
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Speaker 8: Well, hey, yeah, so what do you think about like

1362
01:22:27,079 --> 01:22:31,199
an episodic agnostic that uses Lewis and logic as a

1363
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justification for like, you know, you see logic.

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Speaker 6: I'm not a specialist in logic theories, so you could

1365
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ask that to if somebody like FDA who has a

1366
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degree in that. But different theories about how logic works

1367
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isn't going to work to make sense of a whole paradigm.

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So even if you could find an alternate version of

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logical justification or something like that, like, how is that

1370
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going to explain objective morals or any of the other

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issues that come up, like universals or metaphysics?

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Speaker 3: All right, And have you seen the video.

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Speaker 28: By g about like the like the refutation attag. It's

1374
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like a video like some Christian like trying to refute

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tag and he's like talking about it.

1376
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Speaker 3: It's like a it's like one of your channels.

1377
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Speaker 6: No I don't, I don't run JUB runs the JUB channel,

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not me.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all that all that was unknown to me.

1381
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Speaker 2: Jacob the Latter Day Saint, Uh oh, here we go. Hello, Yes, sir, hey,

1382
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I was just.

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Speaker 26: Curious if you I'm a Latterday Saint. I was curious

1384
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if you ever read the Book of Mormon, if you

1385
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have any thoughts on it, any major objections.

1386
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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I mean I've read significant portions of it.

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Speaker 2: I have Bruce R.

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Speaker 6: Mcconky's Mormon Doctrine Book over there, do you believe that

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Adam was a man, or that God was a man

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and is a man that became God.

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Speaker 26: I do believe that the Father had a mortal experience.

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My question is more around the content.

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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, you don't want to go to the

1394
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Adam God doctrine, So we could I.

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Speaker 26: Just I just particularly was interested in your thoughts on

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the Book of Mormons. This is the key tone of

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our religion.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, the fact that Joseph Smith wrote himself

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into Genesis fifty is a I think the kill shot.

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Speaker 2: For why it's a fraud? Do you have it?

1401
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,359
Speaker 26: Do you have any thoughts on like the like the

1402
01:24:33,399 --> 01:24:34,079
Book of Mormon?

1403
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 2: So you don't want to talk about the kills. You

1404
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:37,920
don't want to talk about the kill shots to your religion.

1405
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,159
Speaker 29: That's not what I came up to ask.

1406
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:40,119
Speaker 2: So you don't.

1407
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, you didn't come up to ask the things that

1408
01:24:42,039 --> 01:24:42,960
would refew the religion.

1409
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 2: I understand.

1410
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 6: So why would I believe a man who wrote himself

1411
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,680
into Genesis fifty If you don't want to take th

1412
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,840
Why would I believe the Book of Mormon if he

1413
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,319
wrote himself in. So you're not going to answer the

1414
01:24:55,399 --> 01:24:56,600
question exactly because you can't.

1415
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 3: Can you ask it again?

1416
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,319
Speaker 6: Why would I believe the Book of Mormon coming from

1417
01:25:01,319 --> 01:25:06,159
a guy who wrote himself into Genesis fifty to predict himself.

1418
01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:08,159
Speaker 26: The argument I'd make is that the Book of Mormon

1419
01:25:08,199 --> 01:25:10,279
is the ancient document that preserves a prophecy.

1420
01:25:10,279 --> 01:25:12,520
Speaker 6: Did you hear what I said? Why would I believe

1421
01:25:13,239 --> 01:25:16,920
him in the Book of Mormon if he wrote himself

1422
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,880
into Genesis fifty that would cancel out anything to do

1423
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:20,880
with anything from him.

1424
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:25,119
Speaker 26: The introduction of the prophecy in Jenesis fifty is sourced

1425
01:25:25,159 --> 01:25:27,520
from the Book of Mormon, and so when he does

1426
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,159
his Jesus translation.

1427
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 3: He inserted the prophecy.

1428
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 6: So Genesis, okay, Genesis fifty. You understand that we have

1429
01:25:34,039 --> 01:25:37,960
like multiple copies of Genesis from varying traditions for thousands

1430
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,319
of years prior to Joseph Smith.

1431
01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I'm not saying that.

1432
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,039
Speaker 6: My claim here is so you're not going to talk

1433
01:25:46,039 --> 01:25:48,880
about that. So, but there's no but why would why

1434
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,680
would none of those copies contain Joseph Smith in Genesis

1435
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,920
fifty until Joseph Smith translates it and magically it suddenly

1436
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,520
predicts him.

1437
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 26: Do you think that the Bible today's all revelation ever

1438
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:02,399
given to a prophet?

1439
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 3: Do you think it's impossible?

1440
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 6: What do you think a mark of a prophet is?

1441
01:26:07,319 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 2: That's not my questions, So you're not going to answer.

1442
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,119
You're not going to ask you a question.

1443
01:26:11,119 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 3: You didn't answer.

1444
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 6: Your question assumes that a prophet is somebody who can

1445
01:26:16,039 --> 01:26:17,840
write themselves into a book, and we just take his

1446
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,000
word question.

1447
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 26: That we do you think it's possible that revelation?

1448
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,359
Speaker 2: You're not in a prophet?

1449
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 6: If I write myself into Genesis fifty and I say

1450
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,760
that it's predicting me, wouldn't you think I'm a con man?

1451
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 10: If you came to.

1452
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 26: Me and said, hey, look there's a prophecy I received,

1453
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:37,199
it's about me.

1454
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 3: It proves I'm a prophet. Yes, but that's not what

1455
01:26:40,039 --> 01:26:40,319
he did.

1456
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 2: That's exactly what he did. What are you talking about?

1457
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 3: You?

1458
01:26:43,359 --> 01:26:47,079
Speaker 6: Where before, Jenn Where before Joseph Smith? Where before Joseph Smith?

1459
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:49,479
Was Joseph Smith? And Genesis fifty name a tax or

1460
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:50,239
tradition and has.

1461
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 2: Anything like that?

1462
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 3: I don't claim that they.

1463
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 6: Do because it came from him. And you're saying that

1464
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,760
we trust him because the Book of Mormon. But the

1465
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,000
Book of Mormon is where we get Genesis fifties predictions

1466
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:00,720
of him.

1467
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,079
Speaker 2: It's a circle, so the it's a circle.

1468
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,640
Speaker 26: If yeah, the syllogism would not be a circle. It

1469
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,520
would be if the Book of Mormon is true.

1470
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,359
Speaker 6: You already told me that Genesis fifty comes from the

1471
01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:15,199
Book of Mormon, And I asked you why I should

1472
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,640
believe the Book of Mormon if he writes himself into

1473
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,600
Genesis fifty, and you said, because the Book of Mormon.

1474
01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:21,399
Speaker 2: So it's a circle.

1475
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 26: Let me rephrase it just in case I didn't say it. Well,

1476
01:27:24,199 --> 01:27:27,479
my syllogism would be, if the Book of Mormon is true,

1477
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,279
then Joseph Smith is a prophet.

1478
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 3: Is that a circle?

1479
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,039
Speaker 2: Are you seriously that stupid?

1480
01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 6: Because that was not how the argument went before.

1481
01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 2: It doesn't.

1482
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 6: That's not that's not even a valid syllogism, like you

1483
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,880
don't if if that's the thing in question, dude, why

1484
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,479
would I believe Joseph Smith when he translates Genesis fifty

1485
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:54,039
about himself and adds things about himself that were never

1486
01:27:54,119 --> 01:27:57,760
in any previous texts of Genesis from Jews, Christians, or

1487
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,640
anyone else prior to Joseph Smith.

1488
01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:01,399
Speaker 3: I'll repeat my question with.

1489
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:04,039
Speaker 2: All right, this is.

1490
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 6: Why no one listens to you too, dumb dude, Good God, Seth.

1491
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:11,359
Speaker 2: What's up?

1492
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 6: So you believe Genesis fifty, he said, because it's in

1493
01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:18,520
the because of the Book of Mormon. Why would I

1494
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:20,199
believe the Book of Mormon. Well, because of the Book

1495
01:28:20,199 --> 01:28:22,800
of Mormon is the validation of jose Smith being a prophet.

1496
01:28:23,119 --> 01:28:25,279
But why would I believe Josephith is a prophet if

1497
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,920
Genesis fifty is the evidence against him being a prophet

1498
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,880
because he wrote himself into it. Because the Book of

1499
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,560
Mormon is what Genesis fifty is about.

1500
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:39,159
Speaker 2: That's the thing in question. Dude, Seth, Hey man.

1501
01:28:39,039 --> 01:28:40,119
Speaker 21: I don't know how you do it. I don't know

1502
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:45,399
how you debate these guys going back to the scientific method. Yeah,

1503
01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:47,399
you know, I wonder if any of them have read

1504
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:48,920
like do I'm kwine or.

1505
01:28:49,359 --> 01:28:52,520
Speaker 9: I just feel like they have this of course, yeah.

1506
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:58,560
Speaker 21: So, but my question is regarding free will and determinism,

1507
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,840
and ultimately I think it's like a paradox.

1508
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 9: I don't think we can really know.

1509
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 21: I mean, obviously, I think you have to have you

1510
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,920
have to assume we have free will in order to

1511
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:08,840
even get off the ground.

1512
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,079
Speaker 3: Otherwise you're just like what.

1513
01:29:11,079 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 21: Are you in a you know, a robot, you know,

1514
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,119
I mean like, but my question is regarding your stance

1515
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,800
of primary verse secondary causation.

1516
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,279
Speaker 9: So like, if my problem is like, if.

1517
01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 21: God is the sustaining cause to what like enables my

1518
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,560
very existence and capacity to choose in the first place,

1519
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,319
then how can my actions be truly free in a

1520
01:29:38,359 --> 01:29:41,920
way that like absolves God of ultimately responsibilities.

1521
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 9: That makes sense.

1522
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,119
Speaker 6: Well, again, it's based on divine revelation that we are

1523
01:29:47,239 --> 01:29:50,960
told that God creates a world where there's secondary causes.

1524
01:29:51,079 --> 01:29:54,520
So God, being all powerful, has the ability to do that.

1525
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:58,640
There's nothing about the metaphysics of the world that necessitates

1526
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,920
that God must be the direct cause of every action.

1527
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,159
And our entire Christology is built around the fact that

1528
01:30:04,279 --> 01:30:08,319
Christ possesses a divine will and a human will and volition.

1529
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:10,920
That means that as a human and being truly human

1530
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,720
and fully human, he can actually cause and do things

1531
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:16,760
in a human way in the world. So to take

1532
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,840
away that would be ultimately to destroy all Christology. And

1533
01:30:21,079 --> 01:30:23,439
that's actually, by the way, what Calvinism does is it's

1534
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,560
christologically a heresy and it's a trinitarian heresy. But I mean,

1535
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,720
there's not some like algorithm that proves that there's secondary causes.

1536
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:36,800
We believe their secondary causes because it's revealed in scripture

1537
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,560
that it is that that there are.

1538
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I think free will kind of

1539
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,359
ironically comes through submission. Like, for instance, if me and

1540
01:30:47,399 --> 01:30:50,000
you're going to play freely play a game of chess,

1541
01:30:50,079 --> 01:30:52,680
we first have to submit to the rules of the game,

1542
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:53,960
right does that makes sense?

1543
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,399
Speaker 6: But it's a property of nature. So to have human

1544
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:03,640
nature requires the ability to actually be a cause in

1545
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,439
the world. So I'm not sure what you mean by submission.

1546
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:11,880
So having free will requires I mean it sounds like calvinism,

1547
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:12,640
Is that what you're saying.

1548
01:31:13,319 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 21: No, I'm saying like like if me and you were

1549
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:20,479
going to play the game of chess, right, if we decided, hey,

1550
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:21,399
let's play the game of chess.

1551
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,079
Speaker 6: Understood the analogy. I just don't understand how it's relevant

1552
01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:25,039
to what we're talking about.

1553
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,119
Speaker 21: Well, it was sort of just a parlaying off what

1554
01:31:29,159 --> 01:31:31,640
you were talking about. It wasn't, you know, directly correlated.

1555
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 9: I'm not.

1556
01:31:32,319 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 21: I'm a compatibilist myself, so I'm not like a Calvinist.

1557
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,880
I'm just playing Devil's advocate here, Like, if if someone

1558
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,880
were to say, well, God is the actual sustaining of

1559
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,479
my freedom in the first place, do you not see

1560
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:50,680
how that would be like maybe a good argument for

1561
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,119
not having free will. So if I set up the

1562
01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:58,600
game and then you know, something happens within that game,

1563
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:00,319
I'm the one who set it up in the first place.

1564
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 2: But setting up the game.

1565
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 6: Part of the laws and rules of the game is

1566
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,039
that the beings have their own causal power.

1567
01:32:08,199 --> 01:32:13,560
Speaker 21: But what I'm saying is is their very causal power

1568
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:18,720
is being sustained through God. Like right now, you're neural.

1569
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 6: Being sustained doesn't mean that you don't have causal power. Again,

1570
01:32:24,039 --> 01:32:27,399
that's just assuming that God is the immediate cause of

1571
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:28,680
your causation.

1572
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 21: Wouldn't it take away from God's omnipotence.

1573
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:37,039
Speaker 6: Still, No, only if you're an occasionalist, and that's what Muslims, Sony,

1574
01:32:37,119 --> 01:32:38,840
Muslims are, and we are not occasionalists.

1575
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,399
Speaker 9: Okay, well that was my question.

1576
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, being the sustainer of the universe does

1577
01:32:47,279 --> 01:32:53,760
not necessitate that you're the direct cause of every object

1578
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,119
or every event or every being in the universe. It

1579
01:32:56,199 --> 01:32:59,399
just means that you've given these beings. The ability to

1580
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:03,000
be caused is and that's why we talk about energies.

1581
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,439
Energies in terms of human nature and human will, and

1582
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,680
every being or human nature having the property of acting

1583
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:16,880
according to its nature means that that's what's meant by sustaining.

1584
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:22,920
It's not being like the direct cause. So sustaining is

1585
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:26,840
not the same as causing. Mars make it quick, please,

1586
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,199
I want people to disagree.

1587
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,560
Speaker 17: I'm playing a little ketchup some a little behind your video.

1588
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:42,720
But you were talking about how if a group would

1589
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:47,279
come to take power, it's not uh top what is it?

1590
01:33:47,279 --> 01:33:49,880
From top to bottom is from bottom bottom up is

1591
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,800
how you do it? Were you saying that's how it

1592
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,520
works in general, or it's never happened where a minority

1593
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:59,760
group or minority ideological group in a country.

1594
01:33:59,439 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 2: Or in a nation.

1595
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,119
Speaker 6: We're not in a situation where where we're run by

1596
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:06,279
a Viking king who converts and then tells everybody else

1597
01:34:06,279 --> 01:34:06,680
to convert.

1598
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,319
Speaker 2: That's not the reality of the world today.

1599
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,319
Speaker 17: I see you're you're saying in our context, it's really not.

1600
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 2: Obviously that's what I mean.

1601
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:15,399
Speaker 17: Okay, yeah, because I'm sure like in church history even.

1602
01:34:15,239 --> 01:34:17,239
Speaker 2: There was, but we're not in the Middle Ages. We

1603
01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:19,399
don't have Viking lords. Dude. I'm not trying to be rude.

1604
01:34:19,399 --> 01:34:22,560
It's just obviously that's what I meant. Katie. What's up? Man?

1605
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:30,479
Mapped up?

1606
01:34:31,039 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 6: They find a ginger chube. It's ginger chew.

1607
01:34:34,039 --> 01:34:41,119
Speaker 2: Tom. I was eating these other things, trying to trying

1608
01:34:41,159 --> 01:34:45,319
to calm down. What's up man? I'm you look you

1609
01:34:45,399 --> 01:34:47,760
get mean? He's get mean. We got it, We got it. No, no, no,

1610
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,119
you don't got you don't got me. I'm still loving.

1611
01:34:50,119 --> 01:34:52,279
I'm still nice. I'm eating a ginger chu. You don't

1612
01:34:52,319 --> 01:34:54,920
have you don't have me. You don't got me. You

1613
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,600
can't expose me, expose you clip it exposure. We got

1614
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:04,520
to these means. Yeah, I meaning a gender to you know,

1615
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:05,840
I'm gonna be nice and loving. Now.

1616
01:35:07,239 --> 01:35:11,119
Speaker 6: It's gonna calm my anger beats. I don't have diabetes.

1617
01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:14,840
I got anger beats. Anger beats. It's calming right now.

1618
01:35:17,159 --> 01:35:22,000
Breathe Bart and Hernie.

1619
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:25,359
Speaker 17: This j.

1620
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:31,039
Speaker 5: Hey, So I was told to call in. I have

1621
01:35:31,159 --> 01:35:33,560
been a I was praised from Catholic all my life.

1622
01:35:34,359 --> 01:35:39,319
Recently in my like you know, adulhood. You yeah, my friends.

1623
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:41,159
So usually I got some friends that are a really

1624
01:35:41,159 --> 01:35:42,760
big fan of made to say, oh, talk to Ja,

1625
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:44,000
talk to Jay, you would.

1626
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,119
Speaker 10: Know the answers to these questions.

1627
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, so again raised Roman Catholic still still

1628
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,359
go to Mass every Sunday. But I again, like I'm

1629
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,680
kind of just losing faith a little bit in the

1630
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:59,439
sense that I'm tired of kind of the Catholic guilt harying.

1631
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,000
I guess that I get all the time, and I'm

1632
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:07,479
wondering if, like there's a difference between that and Orthodox Christianity.

1633
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:11,279
And second to that, like, you know, part of the

1634
01:36:12,039 --> 01:36:13,920
problem with I guess the guilt and horagne that the

1635
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,239
Catholic Church does is the idea that you know, you

1636
01:36:16,359 --> 01:36:18,680
might touch on this before I called in, but the

1637
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,279
idea of like a nation state or whether we're allowed

1638
01:36:21,279 --> 01:36:23,399
to protect our borders or anything like that. I mean,

1639
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:27,319
it's just I don't know, I'm curious to see what

1640
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,720
you have to say about that compared to what I

1641
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:30,479
hear every Sunday.

1642
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 6: So yeah, So the last hour was about Christian nationalism

1643
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:40,720
and the Christian state. What's appropriate when that's appropriate, of course,

1644
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,680
we would have the right to defend your borders. Every

1645
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,279
Christian country in the history of the Church has operated

1646
01:36:46,359 --> 01:36:50,760
with basic principles of self defense. So yes, I would

1647
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:54,159
say that between Orthodox and Roum Catholicism, there's a very

1648
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:58,199
different ethos of what it means to undergo healing in

1649
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:01,159
the Church, to participate in the sacrament. It is far

1650
01:37:01,279 --> 01:37:08,279
less legalistic and far less obsessed with telling up, you know,

1651
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:12,319
violations and this kind of stuff. We do confession, but

1652
01:37:12,319 --> 01:37:16,079
it's a lot more intimate. It's a lot more personal

1653
01:37:16,119 --> 01:37:20,760
and based on you rather than the sort of mechanistic,

1654
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:25,279
sort of rote process of how confession happens in the

1655
01:37:25,359 --> 01:37:29,680
Roman Catholic world. Because I've experienced both. So, I mean,

1656
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,760
the quick answer to your questions is, yes, it is different,

1657
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,520
and yes Christian nations should be able to defend their borders.

1658
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,720
Speaker 5: Secondary question of that then, like so is there's still

1659
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:47,560
kind of a one I guess parable that I have

1660
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,760
like a I don't know, not a gripe with but

1661
01:37:50,199 --> 01:37:54,640
I try And I've heard different omilies about this. It's

1662
01:37:55,079 --> 01:37:59,920
Luke eighteen nine through fourteen about the Pharisee attack, Colick.

1663
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,800
I'm just curious to see, like, what how would you

1664
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:10,520
explain it? I see it like Luke eighteen nine through

1665
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,760
fourteen about the pharisee and the tax collector.

1666
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Speaker 2: Okay, what about it?

1667
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 5: So like in the in the in the parable, you know,

1668
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:22,439
the tax collector is viewed as the better person, even

1669
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,560
though he's saying, God, have mercy on it. I'm a sinner,

1670
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,239
and the pharisee is saying, you know, God, thank you

1671
01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:33,279
for not making me a robber, a guture anything like that. However,

1672
01:38:33,359 --> 01:38:34,359
it's just curious to me.

1673
01:38:34,399 --> 01:38:34,720
Speaker 25: I don't know.

1674
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,520
Speaker 5: I mean, could you explain it better than I don't know?

1675
01:38:39,079 --> 01:38:42,319
But what I always hear is just like you're no

1676
01:38:42,359 --> 01:38:43,840
matter what you do, and you're always going to be

1677
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,960
a sinnerat there's no you know, feeling good about yourself.

1678
01:38:51,159 --> 01:38:53,520
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think all of the passages have

1679
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,840
to be interpreted in the light of all the other passages,

1680
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,359
so like we don't only read this passage and then oh,

1681
01:39:00,399 --> 01:39:02,840
I'm never actually correct about something, because then I would

1682
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:08,000
be the pharisee. In the Orthodox Church, for example, you

1683
01:39:08,079 --> 01:39:12,399
have a liturgical cycle where this passage is read at

1684
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:15,880
a point in the year. So I think, in God's wisdom,

1685
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,039
in God's providence, he arranged it such that there is

1686
01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:22,199
a time in the year where we are reminded of this,

1687
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,560
and we reflect on our own tendencies to be pharisees.

1688
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,880
But we wouldn't take this example and make it universal

1689
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:33,439
and absolute in all cases, as if you could never

1690
01:39:34,279 --> 01:39:38,079
be right about something and say somebody else's bad. Similarly,

1691
01:39:38,199 --> 01:39:40,840
you could think about you know, Jesus says, do not

1692
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:43,760
judge before the measure that you met out, it will

1693
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,159
be met it to you. But also in John seven

1694
01:39:46,199 --> 01:39:49,840
he says, judge with righteous judgment. So the issue is

1695
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,880
not being correct or being a sinner, because we are

1696
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,319
all sinners. We are all at times going to be correct.

1697
01:39:55,319 --> 01:39:58,520
We're all at times going to be wrong. It's everything

1698
01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:59,439
in its season.

1699
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 2: If you think about.

1700
01:40:00,399 --> 01:40:05,119
Speaker 6: Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, you know, Solomon says there's a time

1701
01:40:05,159 --> 01:40:08,039
for war, there's a time for peace, there's a time

1702
01:40:08,079 --> 01:40:10,760
to laugh, there's a time to cry and repent. Like

1703
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,720
there's times and seasons for all these things, and a

1704
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,399
lot of heresies and a lot of misinterpretations. And I'm

1705
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:21,199
not somewhat used specifically, but just like in general, overlooks

1706
01:40:21,239 --> 01:40:25,000
this and absoluteizes this thing, that thing, this verse or

1707
01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:25,520
that verse.

1708
01:40:35,239 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 2: Cracker.

1709
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,039
Speaker 6: By the way, if you want to support the stream, guys,

1710
01:40:41,039 --> 01:40:45,039
you can superchat. Super chats are done through stream Labs.

1711
01:40:45,079 --> 01:40:47,119
Stream labs link is pin in the chat, it's also

1712
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:49,239
in the show description, or you can do a super

1713
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:51,319
chest natively through YouTube. I do have a few super

1714
01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:56,039
chats that I didn't get to last night or the

1715
01:40:56,079 --> 01:40:57,680
other night, so I got to read some of those

1716
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,600
because they came in towards the end into the stream.

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01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,279
Speaker 2: What's up, creator, cretter, you want to I'm.

1718
01:41:06,279 --> 01:41:12,520
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm Orthodox in Russia, but I still can figure

1719
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,960
out this thing with atheists.

1720
01:41:15,079 --> 01:41:16,640
Speaker 3: Let's say I'm an atheist.

1721
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 4: And your Orthodox, and okay, I assume you know knowledge, objective, reality,

1722
01:41:24,279 --> 01:41:28,000
truth and so on and so forth, and jewishm God

1723
01:41:28,319 --> 01:41:30,960
who explains all of these trends, and then the categories.

1724
01:41:31,399 --> 01:41:35,760
So why is my set of some of assumptions any

1725
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,239
worse than your set of assumptions?

1726
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 6: Well, TAG is not just about sets of assumptions. TAG

1727
01:41:42,119 --> 01:41:47,039
is about whose assumptions can provide justification or who can

1728
01:41:47,279 --> 01:41:53,920
justify their assumptions, whose explanation has who has explanatory power

1729
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,720
and can provide justified true belief. So it's not just

1730
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:01,079
a matter of having assumptions, it's who's assumptions actually can

1731
01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:02,319
do the work of grounding.

1732
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:09,319
Speaker 4: So basically, you know, Christian worldview is more coherent.

1733
01:42:10,119 --> 01:42:12,399
Speaker 2: And that's just one aspect of it. It's not just

1734
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:13,239
about coherence.

1735
01:42:13,279 --> 01:42:17,119
Speaker 6: It's also uh, you know, giving an account for how

1736
01:42:17,159 --> 01:42:21,159
those things are possible, what those things are, for example, universals,

1737
01:42:21,239 --> 01:42:23,279
laws of logic, et cetera.

1738
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,359
Speaker 2: History as well. History is a part of ethics.

1739
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, making sense of ethical norms, objective morals, et cetera.

1740
01:42:32,319 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, to me, it also makes more sense that

1741
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:36,560
God exists.

1742
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,560
Speaker 3: But you know, if we are being very.

1743
01:42:39,359 --> 01:42:43,560
Speaker 4: Formal, and you know, an if an atheist really clings

1744
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:49,800
to their opinion, you know, they'll say, you assume God

1745
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:53,159
the way the same way I assume everything about the reality.

1746
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:55,680
So what's seeing different?

1747
01:42:56,279 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 10: The reason, the reason why is they believe in acts

1748
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:06,560
of the metalism. So accidentalism, which is the denial of God,

1749
01:43:10,319 --> 01:43:15,199
makes knowledge impossible. So it'd be like if somebody who's

1750
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:18,039
trying to do mathematics or something like that, somebody's like, well,

1751
01:43:18,039 --> 01:43:22,199
I assume numbers or something like that, and another person says,

1752
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:31,119
I assume rocks or something. Well, obviously rocks or whatever

1753
01:43:31,159 --> 01:43:34,680
other assumption doesn't make mathematics possible.

1754
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 3: The atheist is in a worse situation, they're.

1755
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 10: Actually assuming something that makes their knowledge claims, even about atheism, impossible, right,

1756
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,880
So yeah, we all assume stuff. First of all, you

1757
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:49,840
got to get your assumptions in the right categories. If

1758
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:53,520
you're assuming, you want to assume number and magnitude and

1759
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,079
stuff like that for mathematics and.

1760
01:43:55,039 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 3: Not cake and eggs and stuff like that.

1761
01:43:58,079 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 10: So you can automatically remove some body who's just categorically

1762
01:44:03,319 --> 01:44:07,760
in the wrong category. But what's worse is when you

1763
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:13,239
assume stuff that makes that actual thing impossible. Yes, and

1764
01:44:13,279 --> 01:44:15,720
these lead to contradict I mean, this is exactly how

1765
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,680
we do reductions. So we all.

1766
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:22,199
Speaker 3: Assume stuff that's not what's in question. He thinks, well,

1767
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:22,760
it's just.

1768
01:44:24,199 --> 01:44:26,279
Speaker 10: So the problem that you're asking is you think, well,

1769
01:44:26,319 --> 01:44:29,560
everybody's assumptions are just as equal and they work for anything.

1770
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,960
Like nobody in the right mind believes that about anything.

1771
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:34,319
So I don't know where you're getting that from, but

1772
01:44:34,399 --> 01:44:38,399
that's just retarded, but it misses the greater kind of point.

1773
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,720
They're assuming something.

1774
01:44:42,039 --> 01:44:42,359
Speaker 2: What's that.

1775
01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:47,319
Speaker 6: I appreciate the question the father DEI there was a

1776
01:44:47,319 --> 01:44:49,000
guy in here a minute ago. I don't know if

1777
01:44:49,039 --> 01:44:50,960
he's still here he might want to come back. The

1778
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,920
guy who asked a question about Lewis logic, he was saying,

1779
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:58,479
what if I don't take a you know, classical approach

1780
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:02,319
to logic. I believe in something Lewis based logic. I

1781
01:45:02,359 --> 01:45:04,880
don't always talking about consistent.

1782
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:07,359
Speaker 2: Oh that question, Yeah, we've you've had you've dealt with

1783
01:45:07,399 --> 01:45:09,640
that before. I didn't realize that's what it was a

1784
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:12,840
million times. So these para.

1785
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:16,520
Speaker 3: Consistent logics they're developed to deal with specific things. They're

1786
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:18,640
not claiming to be the overall kind of.

1787
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 10: Universal logic behind everything. And so, in other words, with

1788
01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:31,960
some of these para consistent.

1789
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 3: Logics, all they realize.

1790
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:41,159
Speaker 10: Is that maybe in some instances the law of exclude

1791
01:45:41,159 --> 01:45:44,840
the middle doesn't apply. And how would you develop a

1792
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:50,000
logic that It's like, we're fine with that, but what's

1793
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:50,720
so stupid if.

1794
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 3: You think that that's an apps?

1795
01:45:53,159 --> 01:46:00,239
Speaker 10: Well, what if I develop another theory logically that the

1796
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:04,479
accept you know, because what they're really trying to do

1797
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:13,119
is get out of the disjunct right, the either or right. Yeah,

1798
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:16,760
there might be situations we all know that that there's

1799
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:20,680
a like false psychotomies, for example, and you might want

1800
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:25,600
to develop a logic. But if it's a universal logic

1801
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:30,840
that denies disjuncts in the logs through the middle it

1802
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:36,960
self refuting why, well, is it true or is it

1803
01:46:37,039 --> 01:46:40,760
not true? Your parent consistent logic? Do you see what

1804
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:44,279
the problem is if you make it absolute? So no,

1805
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:48,960
it doesn't get you out of the problem. And furthermore,

1806
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:51,920
they're missing the cause. Just talking with Tony and my

1807
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,920
godson about this. Who might want to come to the

1808
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:58,960
conference on Florida by the way, Uh, you know, working

1809
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:02,439
on this book with Russ before he passed.

1810
01:47:03,359 --> 01:47:06,039
Speaker 3: But what do we notice, Jade?

1811
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 10: They get lost in the stupid maze of semantic sorcery

1812
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:16,640
and fills what about this? It's like, it's really easy.

1813
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:22,359
It's either accidentalism or intentionalism. Right, you're making it much

1814
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:28,239
more complicated than anything it actually has to be. And

1815
01:47:28,319 --> 01:47:33,760
so here's a question, and this goes into the whole account.

1816
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:42,640
Who cares if you create another logic that's not a justification.

1817
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:47,079
It's like with the scientists are like the mathematic work

1818
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:49,359
so that it must be true.

1819
01:47:49,399 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 3: It's like.

1820
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:55,840
Speaker 10: The mathematics doesn't prove anything. You just want your scientific

1821
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:56,439
theory to.

1822
01:47:56,399 --> 01:47:58,399
Speaker 3: Obviously be mathematically consistent.

1823
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 10: Stuff like that, but you have a kind of a

1824
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:04,680
theory of under determination of data. With that, it's like

1825
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:10,560
you can build multiple systems, Yeah, with different logic systems.

1826
01:48:12,079 --> 01:48:17,239
That's not an objection to why, because we're not we're

1827
01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:23,279
not putting logic behind God. Whatever logic system you build, right,

1828
01:48:23,399 --> 01:48:25,760
if it's true or jspiratory in any sense, it's going

1829
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,600
to be because of God. So you're you're missing the

1830
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:30,960
kind of bigger question because you're getting bogged down on

1831
01:48:31,159 --> 01:48:32,640
the weeds, don't you.

1832
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 6: Think, Yeah, Jacob Cabe five dollars, Jay, I'm trying to

1833
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:40,439
find the clip where the black guy says what that

1834
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:44,840
means at a live event. I think you're talking about

1835
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:50,640
the bryceon Grade debate, because Uh, in the well, it's

1836
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,920
he says it twice in the debate he says what

1837
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,199
that is when not talking about a fallacy?

1838
01:48:55,319 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 2: And he says what that is?

1839
01:48:57,079 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 6: And then at the live event which was with Dave

1840
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:13,560
Gordon and I don't remember when he comes on, but

1841
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:15,640
it's when Bryson comes on at the live event.

1842
01:49:20,319 --> 01:49:22,399
Speaker 2: What's up, man? Do you want to say something? Josh?

1843
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 29: Yeah, Yeah, I had a question on Saint Constantine. I've

1844
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,039
been kind of like researching the saints reiously and I've

1845
01:49:28,079 --> 01:49:30,399
been searching his story and I know there's a ton

1846
01:49:30,399 --> 01:49:34,079
of controversy on like whether it was a pagan or

1847
01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:36,479
whether he was like trying to claim himself as God.

1848
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:39,600
And I was just really confused because I am Orthodox

1849
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:41,880
Christian myself, but I'm in Kataqusis and I was just

1850
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:46,000
studying him. I'm confused on whether he was just good

1851
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,720
for the councils and that's where we attribute him as

1852
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:51,199
to be a saint, and there were some things that

1853
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:53,359
the other saints, so.

1854
01:49:53,359 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 3: You can't be a saint and just be good for

1855
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:56,000
the church.

1856
01:49:56,359 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 29: Like, yeah, I was just heading the part that were

1857
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,920
we just agree how we disagree, for example, and like

1858
01:50:02,079 --> 01:50:05,560
with a quaintness on certain things where he necessarily didn't

1859
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:08,880
know that he was in heresy, but that at his

1860
01:50:09,039 --> 01:50:11,119
time it hasn't been discussed yet.

1861
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Speaker 3: I didn't know if we well, Acquintic isn't in the church.

1862
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So that's an easy one.

1863
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Speaker 29: Yes, yes, because they were they were showing like his

1864
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:22,640
arch and things like that, and I was listening to

1865
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the stories where like I totally believe, but I was

1866
01:50:25,399 --> 01:50:27,920
just saying that, like, is there anything that is to

1867
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:31,159
prove that he was actually for Orthodoxy, and if if

1868
01:50:31,159 --> 01:50:33,479
there is, can I get an example so I can

1869
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,800
read about it, because when I look at it on YouTube,

1870
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:38,119
where I try to search about it, all of it

1871
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:40,880
is constantly you know, trying to play the devil's advocate

1872
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,560
rather than like you know, telling a truthful side.

1873
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 3: It's always like a well if.

1874
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Speaker 10: Right there, that's worthy is becoming a saint, because you

1875
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:53,479
know what, we did have a un come along noneun

1876
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:55,640
less would be Christian in the Orthodox today.

1877
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 20: True.

1878
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Speaker 29: Yeah, he Like on my first kind of real encounter

1879
01:51:02,359 --> 01:51:05,680
with trying to understand his story, it was just immediate

1880
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:09,279
controversy rather than like most other stories with the Saints,

1881
01:51:09,279 --> 01:51:13,359
it's a pretty based and simple story or it's very coherent.

1882
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:16,359
With him, I guess there is just constant controversy also.

1883
01:51:16,399 --> 01:51:19,039
I guess with him being a politician, you know, like

1884
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as an emperor, there could be like questioning for that.

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Speaker 10: But I was just wondering all sense, like they hate Constantine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 29: I used to be a Protestant, so I used to

1888
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be really critical of all that stuff.

1889
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the all stuff it's just demonic chatter. He can

1890
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just ignore it.

1891
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Speaker 29: Yeah, okay, cool, because That's that's what I'm saying. You know,

1892
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it was a real history video. That's what it's actually called.

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The Uh it's like the controversy of Constantine on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I was saying.

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Speaker 29: Everybody just tries to always play Devil's advocate, and I

1896
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don't know if there was just any legitimacy to that

1897
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in any of these stories at all, Like if there

1898
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was a little bit that played in part of it

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or not, because you know, reading about his mother and stuff,

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I mean there's real churches that she founded, and and

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01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:02,840
like there's there is evidence to speak and especially with

1902
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:06,000
him converting the Roman Empire, I mean, there is evidence

1903
01:52:06,039 --> 01:52:09,840
to speak for his conversion to Christianity rather than just

1904
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:11,000
playing Devil's advocate.

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01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:13,199
Speaker 3: But it still just sometimes makes me wonder.

1906
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:16,319
Speaker 29: And uh, like I said, just to get the full

1907
01:52:16,319 --> 01:52:18,520
perspective of stuff, I didn't know if there was some

1908
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:19,560
flaws with them.

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Speaker 6: All right, thank you appreciate that question. But yeah, moving

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on clouds.

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Speaker 2: What's up? By the way I found it.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why it's titled this, but Mike, that

1913
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:33,800
guy who's a triadcat, maybe he doesn't want people seeing

1914
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:38,199
this video because like Dave Gordon didn't do good. But

1915
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here it is, and then Bryson comes on some point

1916
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in the end, Q and A.

1917
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Speaker 2: I don't know where. It's pretty funny though, dude.

1918
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Speaker 3: Look at that fan in the back of What is

1919
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:50,159
that thing?

1920
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Speaker 6: Dude, it's a venue in Nashville called I think the Foundry.

1921
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It's just a it's like a old it's like a

1922
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warehouse they converted into an event venue.

1923
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:01,920
Speaker 19: Dude.

1924
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Speaker 3: I've seen that it's in Twin Peaks, Dude that.

1925
01:53:05,279 --> 01:53:06,560
Speaker 2: It's actually a pretty nice venue.

1926
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Speaker 6: In fact, I think they I think they actually charged

1927
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a little too much for this venue.

1928
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Speaker 2: So let's see.

1929
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Speaker 6: Somewhere in here is Bryson. I don't know where though,

1930
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somebody's probably tagged it in the comments, so.

1931
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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's right here. You can go find it. In

1932
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:35,159
the last third. Man, I'm getting a super headache, dude.

1933
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This is awful. What's up? Clouds?

1934
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Speaker 3: Hi Jay, thanks a lot for your body of work.

1935
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It's helped me out immensely.

1936
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Speaker 30: I just had a question and I'm hoping you can

1937
01:53:53,159 --> 01:53:56,600
expand and give me some depth on what it means

1938
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:59,760
to know God. And I'd like to just say a few.

1939
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:04,560
Speaker 3: Scripture is just a pinpoint where I'm at. The Hebrew word.

1940
01:54:04,359 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 30: For no God is yadda, and it says like in Genesis.

1941
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:10,079
Speaker 3: Adam who or yadda eve?

1942
01:54:10,199 --> 01:54:13,520
Speaker 30: And then Cain was born, and we see like Jesus

1943
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:15,520
saying in Matthew.

1944
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Speaker 3: Seven twenty one, you know not everyone.

1945
01:54:17,239 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 30: Will enter and they'll say Lord, Lord, Lord, and.

1946
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:21,680
Speaker 3: He'll say, you know, depart from me.

1947
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:22,600
Speaker 6: I never knew you.

1948
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:25,720
Speaker 30: And there's no shortages of God saying, you know, be

1949
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:28,920
still and know I'm God. So I'm hoping you can

1950
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:32,600
sort of expand on what this layer of intimacy is

1951
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:34,199
behind and knowing of God.

1952
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:36,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean again in the Orthodox conception, and

1953
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:39,680
that's a great question. It's just it's simply more than

1954
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:43,720
just knowing, you know, abstract facts about God or knowing

1955
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:47,920
about the Bible and theology. It's having a relationship. And

1956
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:52,600
that's why the sacraments are there to really solidify that relationship.

1957
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:55,720
That's why Jesus gave us that feeding on him, as

1958
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:59,560
he mentions in John six, that participation in the uncreated

1959
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:03,960
divine life, so truly knowing Him is an actual participatory

1960
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:06,680
relationship beyond just.

1961
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:09,159
Speaker 2: The abstract fuel my fire. But great question.

1962
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Speaker 6: I would actually say that theosis is precisely what that is.

1963
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:22,640
Let me rid a couple of these superchats because they're

1964
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:27,000
piling up here. You miss my superchat about roasting bust

1965
01:55:27,079 --> 01:55:27,920
down at Julie.

1966
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Speaker 2: Apologize that for that schizo rant.

1967
01:55:34,359 --> 01:55:38,319
Speaker 6: Three dollars, No, we did them, Sorry, Jewish Skeptic, ten

1968
01:55:38,359 --> 01:55:42,439
dollars step into the water, just kidding. You can also

1969
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:46,600
do before any year, such as twenty nineteen, after typing

1970
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:49,239
into Google Search, and it will actually filter all the

1971
01:55:49,279 --> 01:55:50,439
results after that date.

1972
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:51,159
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

1973
01:55:51,479 --> 01:55:56,079
Speaker 6: So you can actually get the Internet prior to the

1974
01:55:56,079 --> 01:55:59,880
Dead Internet, even on Google. But you have to space

1975
01:56:00,119 --> 01:56:06,560
suffy to filter the results before twenty nineteen or something.

1976
01:56:07,479 --> 01:56:10,880
But Google is still faking gray though, God bless Thank you.

1977
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:14,520
Jewish Skeptic. Appreciate that. Jenny P five dollars. I'm a

1978
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:19,399
newbie here. I listen to Brandon Tatum. Brandon Tatum debunk

1979
01:56:20,319 --> 01:56:24,119
the Orthodox nun on Tucker. I swear it is right

1980
01:56:24,199 --> 01:56:26,760
for your perspective. Have a look at it.

1981
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:31,439
Speaker 2: Maybe or no, Okay, I don't know who Brandon Tatum is.

1982
01:56:31,479 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 20: Brandon Tatum, the black dude.

1983
01:56:51,479 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 6: Officer, Brandon Tatum, like he's a cop. Well, I mean

1984
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:00,880
if he's a cop, he knows the all. I mean,

1985
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:04,159
maybe I should just listen to Brandon Tatum because if

1986
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:08,439
he's a cop, groove Monster ten dollars. According to Robin

1987
01:57:08,479 --> 01:57:11,880
Brown's book on the Roads Society, the roundtable philosophy was

1988
01:57:12,079 --> 01:57:15,920
explicitly Fabian. Yeah, I mean, I don't I think this

1989
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:23,720
information and research I've been reading is accurate. The Souls

1990
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:30,279
and Coefficients Club, Yes, this includes Lord Milner, Amory JBS Haldane, Garvin,

1991
01:57:30,359 --> 01:57:34,800
Lord Gray, Lord Birkenau, et cetera. They were all in

1992
01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:37,560
the Fabian society. Yeah, exactly, I thank you, groove Monster.

1993
01:57:38,279 --> 01:57:42,720
Robin Brown's book on the Roads roundtable groups. Let me see,

1994
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:45,560
I might not have that one.

1995
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:57,359
Speaker 31: Let me see, all right, I've written that down.

1996
01:57:57,439 --> 01:57:59,359
Speaker 2: Let's see. Groove Monster.

1997
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:04,600
Speaker 6: Robin's book also talks about Eton College and the PDF

1998
01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:05,359
group that was there.

1999
01:58:05,439 --> 01:58:06,359
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm aware of that.

2000
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:12,359
Speaker 6: Lord Esher as well as Lulu Harcourt and members of

2001
01:58:12,359 --> 01:58:14,920
the Royal Elites and the Royal family all part of

2002
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:19,239
the Milner Cecil block that the Inner Circle was recruited from.

2003
01:58:19,359 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2004
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:25,319
Speaker 6: Absolutely, they've all been a bunch of creep PDFs over there.

2005
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:30,520
Lord mount Batten, Cyril Smith, like all of these MP's

2006
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:37,239
and these they're just a nightmare. Saville on X five dollars.

2007
01:58:37,239 --> 01:58:39,560
How much of the last sam Hi episode with Nick

2008
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:43,760
did you write that was? I don't I'm not sure

2009
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:48,399
because there was four of us in there, and originally

2010
01:58:48,399 --> 01:58:52,159
we thought that was going to be an episode that

2011
01:58:52,279 --> 01:58:55,960
was partly interview and then Jordan Peterson. I don't mean

2012
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,000
Jordan Peterson on there, but they were going to discuss

2013
01:58:59,159 --> 01:59:03,920
Jordan Peterson. So I wrote pretty significant sections of the

2014
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,720
Jordan Peterson part. I don't remember exactly how much I

2015
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:10,880
put under the Nick part. So probably more of that

2016
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:17,840
was Ryan Rivera and Brendan and Pat. I just don't remember.

2017
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:20,840
I think I wrote some parts of it though, But

2018
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:24,279
what ended up happening was I was focusing on the

2019
01:59:24,279 --> 01:59:28,960
Peterson part and then they had a lengthy conversation, and

2020
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:31,960
so they decided to just end that episode there and

2021
01:59:32,039 --> 01:59:36,920
do the Peterson episode as a separate episode. Grubs McGee

2022
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:37,600
five dollars.

2023
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:38,159
Speaker 2: Way.

2024
01:59:38,199 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 6: He says, I was laughing thinking of the letter leather

2025
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:42,960
Daddy jokes when I heard about the jacket.

2026
01:59:44,079 --> 01:59:46,239
Speaker 2: I don't think I put any leather Daddy jokes in there.

2027
01:59:46,359 --> 01:59:51,359
Speaker 6: Grubs McGee five dollars. I'm pretty sure Sarah from Holland

2028
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:55,920
is out of the Campus Crusade. That's a priest father,

2029
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:57,880
Sarah from Holland.

2030
01:59:58,399 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that everybody.

2031
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,119
Speaker 6: I can't see this what I was trying to say,

2032
02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:02,760
and I'm not saying you're saying this, But if I

2033
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:06,840
critique Campus Crusade and say that it has Pentagon ties,

2034
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:09,319
that doesn't mean everybody in Campus Crusade is a bunch

2035
02:00:09,319 --> 02:00:13,000
of Feds or spies. It just means the organization is

2036
02:00:13,039 --> 02:00:15,520
going to try to be used by the Pentagon for

2037
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:19,039
soft power. Let me give you an example. Do you

2038
02:00:19,039 --> 02:00:24,439
remember Cony twenty twelve. Okay, Coney twenty twelve was being

2039
02:00:24,479 --> 02:00:28,439
pushed by the Pentagon as a kind of justification for

2040
02:00:30,199 --> 02:00:34,319
operations in Africa Africaan, Right, Oh, we got to go

2041
02:00:34,399 --> 02:00:38,159
find this warlord Cony, and nobody hadn't even known if.

2042
02:00:39,159 --> 02:00:40,600
Speaker 2: Coney was alive anymore.

2043
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,920
Speaker 6: Right, it was, and it was a pretty obvious kind

2044
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:48,239
of you know, fed thing, I mean fake thing in

2045
02:00:48,279 --> 02:00:52,560
the sense of like you know the standard you know,

2046
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:56,319
Bin lad In, Saddam Hussein Putin Asad. We got to

2047
02:00:56,359 --> 02:00:57,800
go do this stuff because of the villains in the

2048
02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:01,960
other countries, which are usually bullshit justifications for you know,

2049
02:01:02,119 --> 02:01:07,600
American companies and corporations to you know, loot steel, et cetera.

2050
02:01:10,439 --> 02:01:12,079
That doesn't mean there are no war lords or that

2051
02:01:12,159 --> 02:01:14,199
everybody else in the other countries is good guys. It

2052
02:01:14,239 --> 02:01:17,680
just means that they become just silly justifications for the

2053
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:21,359
you know, foreign policy stuff that the neocons typically want.

2054
02:01:22,439 --> 02:01:23,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

2055
02:01:23,039 --> 02:01:28,680
Speaker 6: And I remember on my university there was this push

2056
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:31,079
and all the campus crusade people were part of it.

2057
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:36,600
They were pushing Cony twenty twelve. And it's like and

2058
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:38,439
they were I kid you not, like they were all

2059
02:01:38,439 --> 02:01:40,239
doing it because they were told to do it. And

2060
02:01:40,279 --> 02:01:42,720
I'm like, well did you even do you even know

2061
02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:46,840
if any of this is true? And it's like, well,

2062
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:49,880
we want to go over there to help the poor

2063
02:01:50,199 --> 02:01:52,640
African kids, for Jesus, And it's like, are.

2064
02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:53,199
Speaker 2: You this stupid?

2065
02:01:53,279 --> 02:01:55,359
Speaker 6: Like you just you think that the Pentagon is really

2066
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:58,840
cares about like helping poor African kids.

2067
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:00,520
Speaker 2: And but by the.

2068
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:03,279
Speaker 6: Way, what does this have to do with evangelicalism. Oh well,

2069
02:02:03,439 --> 02:02:05,920
you know, we want to also send missionaries. And so

2070
02:02:05,960 --> 02:02:09,319
the people are sincere, They're just naive and they don't

2071
02:02:09,359 --> 02:02:15,319
understand soft power. They don't understand espionage and geopolitics.

2072
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:16,279
Speaker 2: And this was all just bullshit.

2073
02:02:16,359 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 6: It was all affront for Pentagon stuff, and they had

2074
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:27,039
literally just like that, co opted and utilized campus crusade.

2075
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:31,760
But nobody at my university working for Campus Crusade was

2076
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:33,439
a spy or working for the CIA.

2077
02:02:33,479 --> 02:02:35,600
Speaker 2: They didn't know anything. They're idiots.

2078
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Speaker 6: And I say that because I was pretty aware of things,

2079
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even in twenty twelve.

2080
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Speaker 2: I was aware of f Liam Ingdall.

2081
02:02:42,359 --> 02:02:47,119
Speaker 6: I'd read Ingdoll's books critiquing things like campus Crusade and

2082
02:02:47,359 --> 02:02:50,800
the use of NGOs and foundations and evangelicalism in other

2083
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:55,159
countries for geopolitical purposes. So I knew enough to know

2084
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:56,640
that this was fair. By the way, I went around

2085
02:02:56,680 --> 02:02:58,640
and tore down all the Cony twenty twelve posters.

2086
02:02:58,680 --> 02:02:59,640
Speaker 2: By the way, that was me.

2087
02:03:00,039 --> 02:03:01,680
Speaker 6: So somebody in the middle of the night showed up

2088
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:04,760
on campus to tear down all of the twenty twelve

2089
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:07,560
posters which had appeared all over campus, and mysteriously the

2090
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:08,520
next day they were gone.

2091
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Speaker 2: That was me. Well, I don't know if I did

2092
02:03:12,119 --> 02:03:13,760
all of them, because we had a big campus, but

2093
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I had tore down a lot of them.

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Speaker 6: But because I was I was doing my act. I

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was doing counter activism against these idiots who thought that

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this was all real. And there was this guy who

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ran at Jason Russell at the time, and this weirdly enough,

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if you remember, this guy to meltdown, a public meltdown,

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and he stripped naked in at a restaurant in San

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Francisco or something and ran out in the middle of

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the street naked. I don't know if he was doing

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shrooms or what happened to this dude, but it was

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the weirdest bunch of I mean, they would the people

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02:03:49,439 --> 02:03:54,359
pushing it. It was like the time that Glee was popular,

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and they would do these Glee routines.

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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. It was like the gayest thing ever.

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Speaker 6: And because Alex was making fun of it at the time,

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he looks, actually.

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Speaker 32: That's what this guy, Jason Russell was trying to shed

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light on. And he had been trying for nine years,

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and like he was trying to be a filmmaker. So

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he's like, I'm going to make this film. He put

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it out and that's the one that then twenty twelve

2114
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that went super viral. But you know, like with anything

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if you go super viral, you get some pushback. All

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02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:26,560
the news stations picked up this story and they started

2117
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:29,119
picking apart this guy. He became like a a like

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a paparazzi target for a while.

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Speaker 2: And there's just no way he could have foreseen that happening.

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Speaker 32: And then he had a mental breakdown.

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Speaker 2: It got way out of.

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Speaker 32: Control and like the truth got lost and.

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Speaker 6: So anyway, this got a mental burkdown, He lost it,

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strip naked, ran out on the street, and that ended

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the whole Cony twelve side.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't that part of the monarch plan? Anyway?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think we even have to go

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into that because I just think that they just chose,

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02:04:58,279 --> 02:05:00,600
they just chose this kind of like a dude to

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be the face of you know, like you know, pseudo

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02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:09,119
Christian helped the other countries and take down the dictators

2132
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:12,079
and you know, give your money to this thing, and.

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02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:20,800
Speaker 2: It was just so obviously fake. But anyway, I wonder

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02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:21,840
whatever happened to that dude?

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Speaker 3: That's what I was just thinking.

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02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:27,279
Speaker 10: I wonder, what does you ever wonder like these people were,

2137
02:05:27,359 --> 02:05:28,119
like where are they now?

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Speaker 8: You actually got to that would be a great uh

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a lot.

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Speaker 2: Here's the actual documentary.

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Speaker 6: It has one hundred million, three million views. Dang, one

2142
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:42,279
hundred million people watch this stupid thing.

2143
02:05:43,319 --> 02:05:46,279
Speaker 2: Here he is. The surprise announcement came in a letter

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from the White House.

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02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:50,159
Speaker 6: The US President's decision commits US troops to help to

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02:05:50,319 --> 02:05:51,439
advice and assistance.

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02:05:52,359 --> 02:05:56,800
Speaker 2: Imagine getting all these evangelicals to support Obama's policies in

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02:05:56,840 --> 02:06:00,239
Africa to try to find cony so fair, you can

2149
02:06:00,319 --> 02:06:00,840
so see it.

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Speaker 6: But like evangelicals, man, they will believe anything, dude. And

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that's what's funny is that, like, you know, the people

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02:06:07,079 --> 02:06:09,079
in the military and the Pentagon, they know how dumb

2153
02:06:09,119 --> 02:06:11,800
evangelicals are and they laugh about it, and they're like.

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02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:13,720
Speaker 2: You know, all these people believe anything.

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02:06:14,079 --> 02:06:16,239
Speaker 6: We just tell them that we're gonna go save Africans

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02:06:16,279 --> 02:06:19,960
from a war lord and this becomes a cover for Africam.

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Speaker 2: People don't even know what Africom is.

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Speaker 6: But that's the the Pentagon, the military, US Army, et cetera.

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Their strategies for different regions. They're Scentcom, Northcom, Africom.

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Speaker 2: And this was just more you know, foreign.

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02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:38,119
Speaker 6: Policy, basically, just a way to go get.

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02:06:39,560 --> 02:06:40,840
Speaker 2: Minerals and oil.

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02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:44,359
Speaker 3: In I wonder if they have a dire com Yeah.

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02:06:46,119 --> 02:06:50,760
Speaker 6: Probably, since I'm in the KGB dire eclips on geopolitics

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02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:52,520
five dollars, we got to go in and get the

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02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:56,000
bad guys that we armed. Yeah, I think that in

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02:06:56,039 --> 02:06:58,159
the case of Coney, like, the thing that everybody was

2168
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saying at the time was that was criticized.

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02:07:00,199 --> 02:07:02,359
Speaker 2: It was nobody even knows this guy's alive anymore.

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Speaker 6: So it's a really weak justification for foreign policy in

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02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:11,439
Africa anyway, Jeff, throw two dollars, Jake, can you play

2172
02:07:11,479 --> 02:07:14,520
the ausse Narrow Instagram post?

2173
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,319
Speaker 2: Bro, I don't know where that is. I mean, if you.

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02:07:18,359 --> 02:07:21,399
Speaker 6: Link it for me, maybe, I just I can't scroll

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02:07:21,399 --> 02:07:21,600
all the.

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02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:22,199
Speaker 2: Way back control.

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Speaker 6: I have no idea what it's months or years back,

2178
02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:29,199
so I don't know where it is. Contemporary committing five dollars, Jay,

2179
02:07:29,239 --> 02:07:31,640
can we get a brand of the Ginger choose? I mean,

2180
02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:34,319
I think in America there's pretty much only one brand

2181
02:07:34,319 --> 02:07:39,159
when you go anywhere. It's the Jingin's Grubs, No anonymous

2182
02:07:39,159 --> 02:07:42,199
three dollars, primary versus secondary causes.

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02:07:42,319 --> 02:07:44,800
Speaker 2: If God's said, well, I think that guy called in,

2184
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:49,640
we already answered him. So a ten dollars look up.

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02:07:49,720 --> 02:07:54,960
Speaker 6: Rid Vaughan he's definitely a heretic. I mean we already

2186
02:07:54,960 --> 02:08:00,439
commented on this at the beginning. Everyone's had enough of him. Well, uh,

2187
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:03,840
like we said at the beginning, you know, people aren't interested.

2188
02:08:03,880 --> 02:08:05,359
I'm not gonna listen, Like, what are you gonna do?

2189
02:08:05,439 --> 02:08:07,079
Just keep arguing with them and keep calling might as

2190
02:08:07,079 --> 02:08:09,920
well just move on. So that's I think the wisest

2191
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:11,840
strategy behind enemy lines?

2192
02:08:11,880 --> 02:08:22,600
Speaker 2: What's up man? Behind enemy lines?

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02:08:29,319 --> 02:08:34,640
Speaker 33: Hey, Jake, I just had a quick question the yes

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02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:37,039
you you had a stream the other day and I

2195
02:08:37,079 --> 02:08:39,760
think you quoted someone If you want to be involved

2196
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:43,760
in espionage, it's cooks bolts in like crooks?

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02:08:44,079 --> 02:08:46,840
Speaker 3: What you know who that quote was from? Oh? Sorry,

2198
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:47,359
can you hear.

2199
02:08:47,239 --> 02:08:50,199
Speaker 2: Me say it again? What about? Yeah? The quotes from me?

2200
02:08:50,279 --> 02:08:50,680
Speaker 25: You want to.

2201
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:54,600
Speaker 33: If you want to be involved in espionage, you have

2202
02:08:54,680 --> 02:08:58,439
to be a kook, a crook or something else.

2203
02:08:59,239 --> 02:09:01,960
Speaker 2: Spook. I can't the quote is me. It's my quote.

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02:09:02,199 --> 02:09:06,720
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, ok, yeah, I've been saying that for like

2205
02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:11,479
ten years, and it's the same for Ultimate Alternative Media.

2206
02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:13,119
Speaker 2: But it's just a joke. I don't literally mean every

2207
02:09:13,159 --> 02:09:13,920
single person is.

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02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:24,079
Speaker 6: But anesthasias. What's up man, dude? Thought I was quoting

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a book that's me Rah.

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Speaker 2: What's up man? Unmuted?

2217
02:09:43,399 --> 02:09:46,119
Speaker 3: Should they? How are you taking questions on justification?

2218
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:49,840
Speaker 2: I guess a right, sweet?

2219
02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:54,319
Speaker 34: Been watching your videos for a while and then in

2220
02:09:54,359 --> 02:09:57,600
the orthodox point of view, I keep hearing you say

2221
02:09:57,680 --> 02:10:00,640
that justification of an ontological transformation, right.

2222
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:03,840
Speaker 20: I just want to clarify before Yeah.

2223
02:10:03,439 --> 02:10:04,000
Speaker 3: Sweet, So.

2224
02:10:05,680 --> 02:10:08,119
Speaker 34: When I keep hearing this, I guess in my head,

2225
02:10:08,159 --> 02:10:10,600
I've just never asked anyone to clarify this question.

2226
02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:11,199
Speaker 2: How is it?

2227
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:15,479
Speaker 34: How can we be called justified if it's an ontological transformation,

2228
02:10:15,560 --> 02:10:19,319
it's lifelong. Can't someone only call you justified at the

2229
02:10:19,399 --> 02:10:22,600
end of your life? You can't really say that. You

2230
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:25,600
can't really say you are justified till the work is done?

2231
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:28,520
Speaker 2: Right? No, why would you think that?

2232
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:31,319
Speaker 3: Well, it would be.

2233
02:10:31,239 --> 02:10:35,039
Speaker 34: A past tense if, like I can't say something is

2234
02:10:35,119 --> 02:10:37,000
finished if I'm still working on it.

2235
02:10:39,079 --> 02:10:40,600
Speaker 2: Where are you saying that? It's finished.

2236
02:10:40,680 --> 02:10:43,560
Speaker 6: We would say that justification is a past thing, an

2237
02:10:43,560 --> 02:10:45,159
ongoing thing, and a future thing.

2238
02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:46,920
Speaker 2: It's all three. It's not an either or.

2239
02:10:48,159 --> 02:10:50,840
Speaker 34: But then Paul says that you are justified, right like

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he says that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's also statements where he talks about justification

2242
02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:57,640
in the future sense of vindication at the esketon and

2243
02:10:57,680 --> 02:11:00,800
the escaton hasn't happened yet, and Paul uses goallorification the

2244
02:11:00,840 --> 02:11:03,640
same way as glorification as a present reality as well,

2245
02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:04,720
and two Corinthians three.

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02:11:06,439 --> 02:11:08,680
Speaker 3: Okay, sweet, that makes a lot of more sense. Appreciate you.

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02:11:08,760 --> 02:11:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I appreciate that. Yeah, just

2248
02:11:11,359 --> 02:11:14,319
look up. You know, we do have some longer talks

2249
02:11:14,319 --> 02:11:16,520
on justification that you can find.

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Speaker 6: I I what's up? And then fuel my fire? You've

2251
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:21,680
been waiting? Do you want to umute?

2252
02:11:25,319 --> 02:11:25,520
Speaker 3: Hey?

2253
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:25,800
Speaker 2: What's that?

2254
02:11:26,039 --> 02:11:26,239
Speaker 21: Jay?

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02:11:26,359 --> 02:11:30,960
Speaker 3: Actually I have a question just convalidate you this time.

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02:11:31,119 --> 02:11:32,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So.

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02:11:34,439 --> 02:11:38,399
Speaker 3: My wife is not into orthodoxy at all.

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02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:43,479
Speaker 10: He watched a live like stream and she just kept

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02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:45,720
down playing it and see its.

2260
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:48,399
Speaker 2: Like, uh like whining and.

2261
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:54,800
Speaker 3: Should I just go myself and just not bring her

2262
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:55,319
with me?

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02:11:56,520 --> 02:11:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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02:11:56,920 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 6: I mean I would say, right, Yeah, I think that.

2265
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean, if she sees a change in you, then yeah,

2266
02:12:04,520 --> 02:12:07,520
that's the way to go. So yeah, you should go

2267
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:08,159
ahead and go and.

2268
02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:13,359
Speaker 6: Then pursue it because you have care of your own

2269
02:12:13,399 --> 02:12:18,079
soul first, and then you know, just be persistent and consistent,

2270
02:12:18,119 --> 02:12:19,760
and then she'll come along eventually.

2271
02:12:19,479 --> 02:12:25,680
Speaker 2: Usually Dominic, what's up? Hold on?

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02:12:25,720 --> 02:12:27,600
Speaker 6: I got more of these super chests I missed in

2273
02:12:27,640 --> 02:12:30,840
the name of faith three dollars? Can you contend directly

2274
02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:35,119
with the creationist assertion of the earth being seven thousand

2275
02:12:35,239 --> 02:12:38,520
years old? I wouldn't contend with it. I think it

2276
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:42,560
probably is seven to ten thousand years old. I think

2277
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:45,520
it's wrong to bring up metaphysics when not anyone is

2278
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:48,439
a debater. I think you mean not everyone is a debater. Well,

2279
02:12:48,479 --> 02:12:51,119
why is it wrong to bring up metaphysics just because

2280
02:12:51,119 --> 02:12:54,960
the person isn't a debater. I don't think Genesis is

2281
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:59,760
a scientific account. I don't think that either, And it's

2282
02:13:00,039 --> 02:13:03,399
long to say the orthodoxy is opposed to I don't know.

2283
02:13:03,439 --> 02:13:05,479
Your comment gets cut off, so I don't know what

2284
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:06,039
else you have.

2285
02:13:06,119 --> 02:13:06,600
Speaker 2: To say there.

2286
02:13:07,640 --> 02:13:09,840
Speaker 6: You might be the guy that called in and wasn't

2287
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:12,960
aware of philosophy of science and epistemology, even though you

2288
02:13:13,039 --> 02:13:19,800
claimed to be aware of epistemology. So I don't know

2289
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:21,960
why you are the one that gets to tell us

2290
02:13:22,079 --> 02:13:28,239
what is and isn't orthodox views of creation. I'm going

2291
02:13:28,279 --> 02:13:30,319
to go with Saint Basil and the next Samaraan and

2292
02:13:30,479 --> 02:13:34,359
Father serfrom Rose and justis creation early man over what

2293
02:13:34,439 --> 02:13:37,680
you think is the way to go Jen's three dollars.

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Speaker 2: What do we think of.

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02:13:41,439 --> 02:13:43,920
Speaker 6: What would our generation's martyrs look like?

2296
02:13:44,119 --> 02:13:44,960
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

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02:13:45,279 --> 02:13:49,720
Speaker 6: I mean, I think if you're faithful to the teachings

2298
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:51,520
of Christ and the Church, we're all going to be

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02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:55,159
martyrs in a way. I don't really get into trying

2300
02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:59,720
to have this breakdowns of all the.

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Speaker 2: Prophecies of the elders.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not dissing Cotel or Conrad or anybody that

2303
02:14:04,600 --> 02:14:08,359
wants to pursue that at all. I just don't really

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02:14:08,600 --> 02:14:14,720
go go down that route. Brendan three dollars. I hear

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02:14:14,760 --> 02:14:17,159
that the Orthodox king or emperor would be part of

2306
02:14:17,159 --> 02:14:22,239
the liturgy. Yeah, he's he's like a deacon. He's not

2307
02:14:22,359 --> 02:14:26,000
literally a deacon, but he's a kind of diaconos. The

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02:14:26,119 --> 02:14:29,560
church justifies the state that puts it all together. I

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02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:33,600
mean again in a healthy Christian society. Yeah, but like not,

2310
02:14:34,520 --> 02:14:38,600
We're not gonna storm Washington and you know, convert Donald

2311
02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:41,920
Trump to being a Byzantine emperor and then force the

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02:14:41,920 --> 02:14:45,199
country to be Handmaid's.

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Speaker 2: Tale or whatever these idiot liberals think.

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02:14:47,159 --> 02:14:52,640
Speaker 6: Freaky five dollars is the Naphelie order of Metatron of

2315
02:14:52,680 --> 02:14:57,520
the KGB what you're a part of, I guess.

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02:14:57,560 --> 02:14:59,079
Speaker 2: Also the Ukubeans.

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02:14:59,319 --> 02:15:03,359
Speaker 6: Are they above the Yukubeans but below the Teletubbies. Yes,

2318
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:06,159
so we might as well. It's a mask off moment

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02:15:06,359 --> 02:15:09,760
moment and yes, Jacob Kabe five dollars, Jay, I'm trying

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02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:10,840
to show my dad the clip.

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Speaker 2: Oh you read that Turbo ten dollars. What are good

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02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:18,039
books on tagh?

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you're brand new you said you're a

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02:15:20,039 --> 02:15:23,239
slow boy, I would say something. I mean, I hate

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02:15:23,279 --> 02:15:26,960
to recommend Protestants, but you know Bonson's Always Ready, or

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02:15:29,279 --> 02:15:31,840
doctor Jason Lyles book Ultimate Proof, and then I would

2327
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:35,760
read Father Deacon Ananize his papers after that, because he

2328
02:15:35,800 --> 02:15:38,720
can kind of correct a lot of the you know,

2329
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:41,119
Calvinist mistakes. But I think those guys are good to

2330
02:15:41,279 --> 02:15:42,760
just kind of get an overall idea.

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02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:44,920
Speaker 2: What the line of argument is, and.

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02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:47,880
Speaker 6: Doctor Lyles's book actually has a really good section at

2333
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:52,159
the beginning on laws of logic and information theory, which.

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02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:55,159
Speaker 2: Is very helpful for tag So those are there's some

2335
02:15:55,159 --> 02:15:56,960
really good stuff in those books. J N.

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02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:00,079
Speaker 6: Ten Dollars. I was raised Lutheran, but I'm new to

2337
02:16:00,319 --> 02:16:02,880
you and the idea of Apostolic succession. I hear that

2338
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:07,720
Catholics and Orthodox are close to the Apostles and Church

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02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:09,680
fathers so that truth would be preserved.

2340
02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:11,039
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what you mean by close.

2341
02:16:12,319 --> 02:16:16,840
Speaker 6: Because we believe that it's an actual historical succession. People

2342
02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:20,199
are corrupt and go astray. What about the Golden calfa

2343
02:16:20,239 --> 02:16:23,680
Mount Sinai and Moses's wayward grandsons. Why would we trust

2344
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:26,720
something early is true. The argument is not that absolucic

2345
02:16:26,720 --> 02:16:29,279
succession is early and therefore it's true. The argument is

2346
02:16:29,279 --> 02:16:32,799
that Jesus instituted absolut succession in the New Testament and

2347
02:16:32,799 --> 02:16:34,840
the Gospels, and you can see it in Paul's epistles,

2348
02:16:35,360 --> 02:16:38,440
So that's the argument. Also, Jesus promised that the Holy

2349
02:16:38,440 --> 02:16:40,479
Spirit would lead Gode and be with the true the

2350
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:42,239
Church until the end of the end of time, and

2351
02:16:42,600 --> 02:16:44,559
would not lead he would not leave us as orphans,

2352
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:46,600
and that he would lead us and God Is into

2353
02:16:46,559 --> 02:16:50,520
all truths. So Pentecost is something new, and that's why

2354
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:53,559
you can't compare Israel and the Old Testament pre Pentecost

2355
02:16:53,639 --> 02:16:57,760
to the empowering of the Church Postpentecost. That does not

2356
02:16:57,879 --> 02:17:02,399
mean that every single bishop is is indefectible. Any individual

2357
02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:05,319
bishops or even sections of bishops or masses of bishops

2358
02:17:05,319 --> 02:17:09,879
cant apostatize, but there will always be true bishops maintaining

2359
02:17:09,879 --> 02:17:13,559
the faith even in times of mass apostasy like the

2360
02:17:13,600 --> 02:17:16,159
fourth century when the majority of the Church was Aryan

2361
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:20,959
and semi arian. So the Old Testament analogies are not

2362
02:17:21,479 --> 02:17:25,680
understanding redemptive history and that after Pentecost we are in

2363
02:17:25,719 --> 02:17:26,280
a new era.

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Speaker 10: And I just realizing, well, the reason why they struggle

2365
02:17:32,360 --> 02:17:37,719
with Apstock session is they reject normal authority, so they

2366
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:42,559
don't have any kind of legal ecclesial system to actually buy.

2367
02:17:42,639 --> 02:17:47,120
Of course they're going to interpret Apostock session is just

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02:17:48,600 --> 02:17:50,280
useless and doesn't do anything.

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02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:52,280
Speaker 3: Or not even understand it. What do you think about that?

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02:17:53,479 --> 02:17:55,680
Speaker 6: I think you're absolute right about that's ultimately what's going

2371
02:17:55,719 --> 02:17:59,280
on that His specific question was about well, hey, we see,

2372
02:17:59,399 --> 02:18:02,280
you know, Israel going sour in the Old Testament. Why

2373
02:18:02,280 --> 02:18:05,280
would I believe that the Church is any different because

2374
02:18:05,319 --> 02:18:07,959
the Church is the Church, it's not Israel.

2375
02:18:08,079 --> 02:18:09,920
Speaker 2: That's why Pentecost is so important.

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02:18:09,959 --> 02:18:13,920
Speaker 6: So really Protestants are missing and don't understand Pentecost, and

2377
02:18:13,959 --> 02:18:17,959
they don't understand the fact that you can't separate absolute

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02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:22,239
succession from the empowering of the church in Acts two

2379
02:18:22,520 --> 02:18:25,360
and the promises that Jesus made that he would not

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02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:30,399
leave the visible historic quote Catholic Church.

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02:18:32,799 --> 02:18:34,920
Speaker 2: But yes, you're also right that also.

2382
02:18:34,680 --> 02:18:37,239
Speaker 3: They don't see the church as a divine human institute.

2383
02:18:37,399 --> 02:18:38,479
Speaker 2: They see it as only human.

2384
02:18:39,440 --> 02:18:42,920
Speaker 10: Yes, and so or it's just the you know, all

2385
02:18:43,000 --> 02:18:45,799
the believers low has come denominator.

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02:18:45,440 --> 02:18:48,680
Speaker 6: Where the church is a theanthropic institution exactly as father

2387
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:51,959
Deacon said, it's it's a divine and human institution, meaning

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02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:53,920
that if you only look at it from the human

2389
02:18:53,959 --> 02:18:57,360
perspective like Protestants do, Oh, well, it's divided and it's

2390
02:18:57,399 --> 02:18:59,879
fallen away and there's thirty thousand different versions of it.

2391
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:08,159
Zach inquired three dollars, what do you think about the

2392
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:12,719
idea of altruism. I don't know what that is, Adams

2393
02:19:12,840 --> 02:19:16,639
and Eve's world was separate from us and the fall

2394
02:19:16,760 --> 02:19:21,040
cost our evolutionary world. There was a priest that wrote

2395
02:19:21,079 --> 02:19:24,840
an article on it in Athanasius, he vaguely mentions it

2396
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:29,159
never heard of it, and that would be outside of

2397
02:19:29,639 --> 02:19:33,440
what you read in Basil's Hexameron or Father surfrom Roses

2398
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:36,719
justis creation early Man, or Saint Simon and the New

2399
02:19:36,760 --> 02:19:40,760
Theologians first created Man. I mean, all those texts pretty

2400
02:19:40,840 --> 02:19:43,639
much are normative. So I have no idea what you're talking.

2401
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:46,840
I don't know what altruism is. God bless you three dollars. Personally,

2402
02:19:46,840 --> 02:19:50,440
I don't have anything against nationalism. Christianity existed without it

2403
02:19:50,719 --> 02:19:55,719
under the imperial system for classical liberal nation states. Yeah,

2404
02:19:55,760 --> 02:20:00,760
I'm well aware of modern nationalism arising from post French

2405
02:20:00,799 --> 02:20:04,360
Revolution liberal economic theory nation states.

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02:20:04,639 --> 02:20:05,399
Speaker 2: I know all that.

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02:20:05,399 --> 02:20:10,600
Speaker 6: That's I'm just speaking for a common audience of people

2408
02:20:10,639 --> 02:20:17,360
asking questions about a Christian state. But yes, the imperium

2409
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:22,000
and the pre modern nation state being Christian is not

2410
02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:26,479
the same thing as the Poost Enlightenment nation state. But

2411
02:20:26,559 --> 02:20:28,959
that's not even what that's not even relevant to what

2412
02:20:29,000 --> 02:20:31,559
we're talking about today. We're just talking about can there

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02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:36,280
be Christian nation states or Christian governments. Jmail twenty five dollars.

2414
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:40,399
How do I move from an American rights center ideology

2415
02:20:40,440 --> 02:20:42,920
towards a christ centered view.

2416
02:20:42,799 --> 02:20:47,920
Speaker 2: Of the word or world? How do you do it?

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02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:50,920
Speaker 6: I mean I would say again, you know, if you

2418
02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:54,600
read the Christian ethos of the first millennium.

2419
02:20:54,799 --> 02:20:55,360
Speaker 2: It is that.

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02:20:58,520 --> 02:21:01,719
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get my idea geology out of Orthodoxy.

2421
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:05,719
I think you mean, like your American conservative ideology to

2422
02:21:05,799 --> 02:21:11,760
get to get to be Orthodox in your fronema and

2423
02:21:11,799 --> 02:21:16,079
not an americanist. I read Schmimann's Eucharist. Yeah, that's not

2424
02:21:16,120 --> 02:21:19,479
a good book. I mean there's actually worst books by Schimhen.

2425
02:21:19,559 --> 02:21:22,479
But I mean I wouldn't recommend Alexander Schmiman if you're

2426
02:21:22,479 --> 02:21:32,799
wanting to to not have like a an americanist. I

2427
02:21:32,799 --> 02:21:35,639
mean there's I would say, read Reflections of a Russian Statesman.

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02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:38,559
Speaker 2: There you go. Read that.

2429
02:21:38,559 --> 02:21:43,200
Speaker 6: That's a lot more hard hitting and authentic than these

2430
02:21:43,319 --> 02:21:44,879
these weak O c. A.

2431
02:21:45,440 --> 02:21:48,840
Speaker 2: Clerics. Jacob Kebe five dollars.

2432
02:21:48,959 --> 02:21:51,920
Speaker 6: Jay, you whistle like an armpit poop patty, Sir, I

2433
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:55,559
hear whistles in your voice. That's because I got refuted

2434
02:21:55,600 --> 02:22:03,680
by the Indian Muslim. All right, guys, Uh, get ahead

2435
02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:06,920
of line if you disagree dominic. What's up, father deacon?

2436
02:22:06,959 --> 02:22:08,520
You missed the Mormon? Were you in here for that?

2437
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:11,399
You keep every time you leave the good?

2438
02:22:11,440 --> 02:22:12,000
Speaker 2: The good?

2439
02:22:14,239 --> 02:22:14,680
Speaker 3: I agree?

2440
02:22:16,280 --> 02:22:16,959
Speaker 2: Okay? What's up?

2441
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:20,239
Speaker 3: Man? Hey, what's going on? Can you hear me? I'm sorry?

2442
02:22:20,920 --> 02:22:21,280
Speaker 2: What's up?

2443
02:22:21,879 --> 02:22:22,239
Speaker 3: Okay?

2444
02:22:22,959 --> 02:22:28,760
Speaker 10: So, Uh recently baptized Orthodox Christian for about a year now,

2445
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:29,920
and I just have a.

2446
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:32,040
Speaker 3: Couple of questions about a couple of things for you.

2447
02:22:32,559 --> 02:22:32,799
Speaker 14: Uh.

2448
02:22:32,920 --> 02:22:37,000
Speaker 3: Firstly, the reason for women veiling.

2449
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:38,079
Speaker 9: Uh.

2450
02:22:38,319 --> 02:22:41,479
Speaker 25: When I first came to my church, Uh, they said, oh,

2451
02:22:41,520 --> 02:22:43,559
it's something that married women do.

2452
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:46,680
Speaker 24: Then I heard the Orthodox Ethos talk.

2453
02:22:46,479 --> 02:22:48,680
Speaker 3: About it and he said that it's done to me.

2454
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:51,799
Speaker 2: So it's in Corinthians.

2455
02:22:52,319 --> 02:22:52,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

2456
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:55,479
Speaker 29: And uh so if I was to explain to somebody

2457
02:22:55,559 --> 02:22:58,239
the reasoning for it, could you maybe do that for me?

2458
02:22:58,639 --> 02:22:59,840
Speaker 3: Like Paul's reasoning for it.

2459
02:23:00,040 --> 02:23:02,360
Speaker 6: Well, if you read Corinthians, he says that it's a society.

2460
02:23:02,399 --> 02:23:06,360
It's a sign of submission to authority. So a woman

2461
02:23:06,440 --> 02:23:09,600
veils her head, Paul says, because the angels are present

2462
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:12,639
in the liturgy, and the angels see who does and

2463
02:23:12,719 --> 02:23:16,319
doesn't veil in the sense of being humble and submissive.

2464
02:23:16,399 --> 02:23:19,000
So that's the way Paul describes it. I don't I'm

2465
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:22,000
not sure what father here says, but he probably says

2466
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:23,200
something along those lines.

2467
02:23:25,319 --> 02:23:27,840
Speaker 2: FDA. If you've heard anything different, feel free to enlighten me.

2468
02:23:29,079 --> 02:23:30,799
Speaker 3: That's everything that I heard.

2469
02:23:35,559 --> 02:23:38,719
Speaker 2: No, my camera's not broken. I have a headache. What's up, man?

2470
02:23:39,959 --> 02:23:42,840
I'm sorry? Father Dan ahead, No, that's it.

2471
02:23:42,879 --> 02:23:45,319
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, you merged, You've become chalk.

2472
02:23:46,159 --> 02:23:47,479
That's actually what you look like.

2473
02:23:47,559 --> 02:23:51,520
Speaker 6: Now, well I have to Yeah, you know, they're a

2474
02:23:51,559 --> 02:23:55,000
paid sponsor, so I want to promote our sponsors.

2475
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:56,360
Speaker 2: And also but I also have like.

2476
02:23:56,319 --> 02:24:00,799
Speaker 6: A splitting headache because it's either because the the ragweed

2477
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:04,879
which is in the air, or it's because we have

2478
02:24:04,959 --> 02:24:06,360
a huge stormfront rolling in.

2479
02:24:06,399 --> 02:24:08,319
Speaker 2: The pressure is really intense right now.

2480
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:11,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's up man?

2481
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:12,319
Speaker 2: Echo you want?

2482
02:24:12,360 --> 02:24:15,639
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, yeah, I got a quick question. Well,

2483
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:17,920
twofold both are different.

2484
02:24:18,040 --> 02:24:22,040
Speaker 35: So I saw a quote by Leo the Deacon from

2485
02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:25,280
the tenth century, and he stated in August sixteenth, in

2486
02:24:25,319 --> 02:24:29,159
the year six and seventy. I thought that was pretty

2487
02:24:29,159 --> 02:24:32,680
interesting because that's like nine to sixty a d which

2488
02:24:32,920 --> 02:24:36,079
then I found out is like the Ano Mundi Byzantine calendar.

2489
02:24:36,159 --> 02:24:37,600
Speaker 2: Yes, they use the business calendar.

2490
02:24:38,120 --> 02:24:38,319
Speaker 16: Yeah.

2491
02:24:38,399 --> 02:24:42,000
Speaker 35: Yeah, So this this question really comes to, uh, is

2492
02:24:42,040 --> 02:24:45,760
there any reason to care a lot about the calendars?

2493
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:47,559
I mean, I know there's old calendar is I don't

2494
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:48,520
fully understand that.

2495
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:51,000
Speaker 3: I haven't really dived in. But what's your take on

2496
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:51,280
all that?

2497
02:24:52,239 --> 02:24:58,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, the calendar does matter because that's the that's how

2498
02:24:58,159 --> 02:25:03,399
the Christian world they things. So maybe I don't understand

2499
02:25:03,399 --> 02:25:05,200
your question. What do you mean does the calendar matter?

2500
02:25:06,920 --> 02:25:08,799
Speaker 17: I guess I don't.

2501
02:25:08,840 --> 02:25:10,559
Speaker 3: I don't understand the old calendar.

2502
02:25:10,799 --> 02:25:12,959
Speaker 35: Old calendar ists versus new.

2503
02:25:13,239 --> 02:25:14,680
Speaker 2: Well, that's a different issue.

2504
02:25:15,360 --> 02:25:18,360
Speaker 6: So we have a Christian calendar because we're Christians and

2505
02:25:18,399 --> 02:25:23,879
we live in a liturgical cycle that we believe reflects

2506
02:25:24,079 --> 02:25:28,040
kind of the patterns of Heaven. So that's why there

2507
02:25:28,079 --> 02:25:31,120
is a calendar. The old calendar is a totally different issue.

2508
02:25:31,159 --> 02:25:35,600
But I mean ro Corps, for example, is on the

2509
02:25:35,639 --> 02:25:39,520
old calendar, So that's a different issue from old calendar.

2510
02:25:39,559 --> 02:25:43,520
Schismatic groups, some of which have been reconciled in terms

2511
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:46,079
of communion, some of which are still out of communion.

2512
02:25:46,120 --> 02:25:48,680
But that's an area that I don't really have a

2513
02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:50,840
whole lot of insight on Owen.

2514
02:25:50,959 --> 02:25:51,360
Speaker 2: What's up?

2515
02:25:51,399 --> 02:25:57,360
Speaker 3: Man, Hey, can you hear me?

2516
02:25:59,360 --> 02:26:02,840
Speaker 25: I'm sorry from coming in later or whatever, but what

2517
02:26:02,840 --> 02:26:05,000
what is your opinion of nationalism?

2518
02:26:05,239 --> 02:26:06,360
Speaker 2: And uh, we've.

2519
02:26:06,200 --> 02:26:08,319
Speaker 6: Already covered all that, so I'm not I'm not trying

2520
02:26:08,360 --> 02:26:09,920
to be a dick. I'm not being rude. It's just

2521
02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:12,120
I'm not going to repeat everything that we said in

2522
02:26:12,159 --> 02:26:15,360
the first hour and a half. H Trey, what's something

2523
02:26:16,280 --> 02:26:30,079
look for people who disagree. I don't mind answer people's

2524
02:26:30,079 --> 02:26:33,280
catechumen questions and fahes. Just remember guys that, like, you know,

2525
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:35,479
after a while, it's kind of old because most of

2526
02:26:35,479 --> 02:26:38,159
that information you can probably just you can easily find

2527
02:26:38,280 --> 02:26:40,959
by just reading and searching some stuff on your own.

2528
02:26:41,440 --> 02:26:44,600
Remember you can get you know, Orthodox Dogmatics by Palma

2529
02:26:44,680 --> 02:26:48,399
Zansky and read the book. Uh, you know, when you

2530
02:26:48,440 --> 02:26:51,040
come with a lot of the sort of FAQs, it's

2531
02:26:51,079 --> 02:26:54,399
just kind of taken away from you know, more pressing

2532
02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:55,120
type of stuff.

2533
02:26:55,120 --> 02:26:56,079
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to be rude.

2534
02:26:56,079 --> 02:26:59,280
Speaker 6: I understand everybody wants their questions answered, but a lot

2535
02:26:59,319 --> 02:27:01,799
of that stuff you guys can find easily on your own.

2536
02:27:02,200 --> 02:27:08,760
Like there are infinite resources for faq Orthodox stuff these days. Yeah,

2537
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:10,920
in two thousand and three, four, five sixty seven that

2538
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:14,360
there wasn't that much, But nowadays it's there's infinity of that.

2539
02:27:15,079 --> 02:27:18,280
And you can also ask your priest and your catechist

2540
02:27:18,360 --> 02:27:29,319
these questions. But what's up, man, I'm you, Trey you there?

2541
02:27:29,479 --> 02:27:30,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up?

2542
02:27:31,879 --> 02:27:32,079
Speaker 3: Hey?

2543
02:27:32,159 --> 02:27:34,040
Speaker 25: I hope I'm not asking a question you just asked

2544
02:27:34,120 --> 02:27:34,799
us not to ask.

2545
02:27:35,399 --> 02:27:36,879
Speaker 2: Well, what is it?

2546
02:27:36,879 --> 02:27:37,319
Speaker 9: It is?

2547
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:40,520
Speaker 25: I'm looking into a couple of churches near me, and

2548
02:27:40,559 --> 02:27:44,520
I'm wondering your opinion. There's a there's a Saint Michael's,

2549
02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:50,719
which I don't know what denominate or what version of

2550
02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:54,120
it is. And then there's a Serbian and a Greek Orthodox.

2551
02:27:54,159 --> 02:27:57,319
The Greek Orthodox doesn't have fews. I was wondering what

2552
02:27:57,399 --> 02:27:58,719
your stances on a pews.

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02:28:00,319 --> 02:28:04,079
Speaker 2: Just go check them all out, man, Jimmy, what's up?

2554
02:28:16,520 --> 02:28:17,600
Jan Neruda? What's up?

2555
02:28:17,639 --> 02:28:17,840
Speaker 3: Man?

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02:28:26,559 --> 02:28:29,159
Speaker 6: Shout out to all of the jake rattlesnake people.

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02:28:29,959 --> 02:28:32,120
Speaker 2: We've had a wild ride today.

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02:28:32,159 --> 02:28:37,840
Speaker 6: We had a scientism man that said he knew all

2559
02:28:37,879 --> 02:28:39,479
about epistemology, but didn't.

2560
02:28:40,120 --> 02:28:41,399
Speaker 2: We had a Mormon.

2561
02:28:41,239 --> 02:28:45,799
Speaker 6: Who uh didn't understand a circular argument.

2562
02:28:45,879 --> 02:28:52,079
Speaker 2: Jan Neruda what's something I'm you, Hey, what's up, Jame?

2563
02:28:52,200 --> 02:28:52,920
What's on your mind?

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02:28:55,440 --> 02:28:57,239
Speaker 3: I was just kind of wondering, what do you think

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about this read?

2566
02:28:59,719 --> 02:29:03,520
Speaker 14: We are already talked about it, man.

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02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:07,000
Speaker 6: We already, we already talked about it today. So I

2568
02:29:07,120 --> 02:29:16,680
covered Rid Vaughan in the first hour. Okay, anybody disagreed today,

2569
02:29:16,719 --> 02:29:18,879
you go to the headline. So please no questions about

2570
02:29:18,959 --> 02:29:22,200
all the stuff that we've already covered. If you disagree

2571
02:29:22,520 --> 02:29:23,239
any topic.

2572
02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:24,799
Speaker 2: Immediate head of the line.

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02:29:27,879 --> 02:29:32,760
Speaker 6: Blaine Star Chick twenty dollars. Jake made me give you money? Oh,

2574
02:29:32,840 --> 02:29:35,079
Jake Raddle, I was like Jake and the Muslim metaphysician.

2575
02:29:35,319 --> 02:29:36,000
Speaker 2: I doubt that.

2576
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:38,159
Speaker 18: You mean.

2577
02:29:38,239 --> 02:29:41,280
Speaker 6: Jake Radle said, well, thanks man, I appreciate that from Jake.

2578
02:29:47,079 --> 02:29:48,120
Speaker 2: Underwater. What's up?

2579
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:51,799
Speaker 3: Hello?

2580
02:29:52,559 --> 02:29:54,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's on your mind? Yeah?

2581
02:29:54,879 --> 02:29:57,600
Speaker 10: I have this verse that I feel like, I'm not

2582
02:29:57,600 --> 02:30:01,520
sure if it's literal or if it's just necessarily talked

2583
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:04,920
about something else and one to maybe two fifteen.

2584
02:30:06,840 --> 02:30:07,920
Speaker 2: Okay, let me pull that up.

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02:30:16,520 --> 02:30:19,280
Speaker 6: Nevertheless, women will be saved through childbearing if they continue

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02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,520
in faith, love and holiness with self control.

2587
02:30:22,879 --> 02:30:24,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, what is the childbearing thing?

2588
02:30:24,280 --> 02:30:26,600
Speaker 2: That's the part that I'm means having babies.

2589
02:30:26,639 --> 02:30:28,959
Speaker 3: What do you mean so it's being literal?

2590
02:30:29,319 --> 02:30:36,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean Paul's writing an epistle about

2591
02:30:36,719 --> 02:30:39,360
practical problems at the Church of Ephesus to Timothy.

2592
02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:40,920
Speaker 2: He's not going to.

2593
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:47,200
Speaker 6: Algorize in a moral instruction section about what the role

2594
02:30:47,239 --> 02:30:49,280
of women is when he's talking about Adam and Eve

2595
02:30:49,319 --> 02:30:53,840
and that the role of women is primarily to be mothers. Now,

2596
02:30:53,959 --> 02:30:57,920
obviously it doesn't mean that women can't be single and

2597
02:30:58,200 --> 02:31:01,799
enter into you know, monast life. Paul also talks about

2598
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:04,920
that it doesn't mean obviously that if you don't have

2599
02:31:04,959 --> 02:31:06,920
a baby, you're not saved. I mean, that's all kind

2600
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:08,680
of you know, I'm not saying you're saying that, But

2601
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obviously we wouldn't come to absurd conclusions when he's just

2602
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:14,760
kind of giving practical advice that the role of women

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02:31:14,959 --> 02:31:18,159
is not to become priests, pastors, teachers, it's to be

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02:31:18,280 --> 02:31:23,840
mothers in general. I do you want to try again.

2605
02:31:29,479 --> 02:31:29,959
Speaker 17: Yo, Dian.

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02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:36,440
Speaker 3: I mean, so I had a question in regards to.

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02:31:37,159 --> 02:31:38,920
Speaker 8: Like, in general, what you think about I know you

2608
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:42,399
don't want to be asked these questions, but Antiochian Church

2609
02:31:42,879 --> 02:31:46,520
versus real core and just the different you know divisions.

2610
02:31:46,600 --> 02:31:51,559
Speaker 6: They're not divisions, they're jurisdictions. So just go check out

2611
02:31:51,559 --> 02:31:53,079
the one that's best for you. There's not going to

2612
02:31:53,159 --> 02:31:57,040
be a perfect jurisdiction, all right. If you disagree, you

2613
02:31:57,079 --> 02:31:59,639
go with the headline. Raise your hand if you disagree, and

2614
02:31:59,639 --> 02:32:02,840
I'll bring you on. I'm not interested in talking to

2615
02:32:03,239 --> 02:32:06,639
you guy from the Oriental sphere. Every time we have

2616
02:32:06,719 --> 02:32:10,680
this discussion doesn't go anywhere, so I'm not interested. But

2617
02:32:10,840 --> 02:32:14,000
thank you for coming on ECO. What's up man?

2618
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:27,479
Speaker 3: Hey j back, what is your opinion on Nick quints?

2619
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:33,079
Speaker 2: I'm sorry they already covered all that earlier today, so guys,

2620
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:34,920
come on, like I'm not trying to be rude.

2621
02:32:34,959 --> 02:32:37,879
Speaker 6: It's just like it, like all the stuff listed I

2622
02:32:37,959 --> 02:32:42,040
covered in the first and second hour, So if you.

2623
02:32:42,120 --> 02:32:43,680
Speaker 2: Just tuned in, that's cool. I'm not mad.

2624
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:46,239
Speaker 6: But like all that stuff, I'm not going to redo

2625
02:32:46,360 --> 02:32:46,959
all that stuff.

2626
02:32:47,079 --> 02:32:49,760
Speaker 3: Heykay, what's your take on a postive profit.

2627
02:32:49,959 --> 02:32:54,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's just rehearse the entire first two hours and

2628
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:56,639
then we'll just start all over again after that, and

2629
02:32:56,680 --> 02:32:58,600
then and do it for the third time the first

2630
02:32:58,639 --> 02:33:03,360
two hours. So if you're watching on YouTube, guys, you

2631
02:33:03,360 --> 02:33:04,840
can rewind.

2632
02:33:04,360 --> 02:33:10,239
Speaker 3: And go you know, be Kind and rewind.

2633
02:33:10,239 --> 02:33:12,959
Speaker 6: That was a good movie, by the way, if you've

2634
02:33:12,959 --> 02:33:16,760
never seen it.

2635
02:33:15,079 --> 02:33:17,760
Speaker 2: It's a Jack Black comedy. It's pretty good.

2636
02:33:17,840 --> 02:33:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have seen every movie.

2637
02:33:19,559 --> 02:33:20,920
Speaker 2: I know you have. I know you have.

2638
02:33:21,719 --> 02:33:24,719
Speaker 6: But you're really good at burke Back Mountain, right, that's

2639
02:33:24,840 --> 02:33:25,799
like the one that

2640
02:33:27,239 --> 02:33:28,959
Speaker 2: I know that that that that Blu ray is on

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repeat at your