Speaker 1: I went to this place one time. I mean it
was out in the woods. Well, I mean way out
in the woods. It was a hunting camp, is way
it was.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting down here and.
Speaker 1: I'm playing with the old dog gets out there. I
don't know. I just happened to look up and this
is probably it might be like fifty yards away, you.
Speaker 2: Know, at the closest.
Speaker 1: I guess, down an old road.
Speaker 2: I'm looking down.
Speaker 1: This old road, you know, I see something down there,
and it looked, you know, like maybe black, maybe.
Speaker 2: Had real dark brown.
Speaker 1: And the dog immediately he just took off and he
goes there of the house, and I guess when we're
out of the house, he bumped his head or something
made rackets, you know, and they opened up the door.
Speaker 2: You know, Are you okay out there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, you know, and then whatever set the door,
you don't and he's still standing there and we're looking
at each other.
Speaker 3: I'd like to welcome Stephen Country Jones to the podcast.
Do you go by Steve, Steven or Country whatever they
call me? Yeah, you want to be careful putting that
out there. I've been called some things before.
Speaker 2: I have to way don't matter.
Speaker 3: How did you get the nickname country.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was just.
Speaker 1: A name I had a long time ago when I
drove trucks, and that was like my handle on the
CB and the bee was started calling me that. Oh okay,
Cage book, does one of their weird things take your
page down. I lose all my pictures and everything I
had on there. And so then I just went in
one day and I changed the name and I said, oh,
I'm gonna use my nickname.
Speaker 3: Then, well, how did you find your way into the
big foot world?
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's lying things. I've kind of been
into my whole life and been looking around and that
hadn't really been involved with people. And you know, I
hadn't went to seminars or anything, doesn't to anybody speak,
And I started listening to people speaking and enduring places
here tray the pastud make years.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was always too busy.
Speaker 1: I was always working and I couldn't go any place.
Speaker 3: Really, But are you actively doing like I hate to
use the term research, but out looking for these things?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do now sometimes, Like I mean I run
up to up in the National Wards and go up
in the hills of Cassachi. You know all the time,
and usually when I'm up there, I go do what
I got to do. I go up there and go
to the springs and get water is one thing I do.
And I when I'm up there, usually I'll ride around
and look.
Speaker 2: And and stuff.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I see thinking, sometimes I see tracks. Sometimes I
see absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of.
Speaker 1: It depends on the weather too, you know, I've noticed
a lot of things.
Speaker 2: The weather controls a lot of it, you know.
Speaker 1: And late in the evening, you know, the early part
of the morning I come up. Mean, it's got a
better chance of seeing something then than it was in
the middle of the day. So I try not to
be up there in the dark.
Speaker 3: I don't like to drive it dark a dark time anymore.
So I'm going to ask you this question. This is
something that I've heard over the years, and I think
you're in a place to answer it as good as anybody.
What does something that big and covered in hair do
whenever it gets one hundred and ten degrees out in
the swamps, with the ticks and everything else going on.
How do you think they cope with that?
Speaker 1: You know, normally we have a lot of water around here,
and there is places where we do have water, and
I'm sure they get in the water a lot. But
you know, I've thought about that before too, and I
think probably the hair apps keep them cool. You know,
it probably retains moisture and help keep them cool.
Speaker 3: You know, you see a lot of other animals, you know,
rolling around in the mud and stuff to kind of
keep things off of them and keep cool. And I
don't know if it's this way there. Do you notice
the activity and everything kind of slowing down whenever it
gets real hot?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a lot. I have seen that before. I've
actually found places and some of our you know, some
of our research and some of the places we've gone
before around you know, just down here now, I have
seen places where you know, I see it look like
something hairy wallered in the mud, you know, and rolling around.
I know that was too big to be a hog,
and usually hog is gonna carry everything up. Anyway, it
wasn't all torn up. It's like there's something rolled in
and mashed it down. You know, you go go, Marry.
Speaker 3: Do you ever see big hollowed out areas in the
creek banks?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do, And then sometimes I've even felt some
nest before and these nests are huge, right, There's a
picture of me laying in one, and it's a lot
bigger than me laying in that nest. You know, it's
like a like a big bird nest or something.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could tell it was built by something because
there's pine straw and leaves and stuff in it, and
there is no pine straw leads around, you know. Yeah,
it looks like it'd be a good bed, you know.
I mean, I don't think I don't think some person
done it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember one time the people that I used to
run around with. I wasn't there at the time, but
they talked about finding a very similar structure to that.
It looked like a big old bird nest that was
actually built into it was an old man in house.
I'm not going to say where. Uh, And the floor
was kind of broken out of it, and you know,
it had like the crawl space and everything, so there
was a gap there between the floor and the ground
and this was kind of built in that hole. And
they said, you know, it was a good you know,
eight to ten foot across. So I mean, I don't
know what would do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I found, you know, not really good tracks
before if I'm on you know, walling in the mud,
and all I have seen like maybe two foot prints
or maybe one foot frit would be a good one.
And after that I never seen any more tracks. Yeah,
so you so you can't follow the tracks and see
where they go, you know, Yeah, I mean if you
get consistent tracks. Sometimes it seemed like you could, you
could get a little closer. But you know, whenever I
see a track, it'd be like one footprint in a
ditch or something.
Speaker 2: You know, we're random mud hole.
Speaker 3: Do you think they know that they're leaving tracks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they leave tracks, but you know, we've got a
lot of hard ground here, and especially you know it
dry as it is right now. Yeah, it's hard to
leave a track right now. If anything even does leave
a track there, hard ground has a lot to do
with it. They may be an area that they'd come
through that was kind of soft, and then you know,
they step up on the bank or something and they're
out of it and they're backing hard ground again. You
want to see those cracks, Yeah, trucks is something. Sometimes
it all depends. You know, it's hard to see.
Speaker 3: Tracks whenever you were young, and that's whenever all this
first started for you. Do you mind telling that story
about when you discovered that Bigfoot was out there running
around when I was a.
Speaker 1: Kid, I don't know, I think it was. I probably
wasn't in kindergarten yet. I mean I was like four
or five years old.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: My dad he would work sometimes, he didn't have a
real heavy work schedule or anything at work, and so
he'd go west around and chase women during the day
and everything, you know, and I'd go ride with him,
you know, I'd get there. You know, a lot of
times I stay outside the house. Okay, we couldn't go
in the house, you know, stay outside, yeah, you know,
if they had dogs or something other, I'd stay around
and play with their dogs and whatever, you know. And Well,
went to this place one time. I mean it was
out in the woods. Well I mean way out in
the woods. It was a hunting camp is way it was,
and there was there was some woman living there. You know.
He goes to see and I'm sitting out here and
I'm playing with the old dog that's out there, and
playing with the dog, you know, and then I don't know,
I just happened to look up and this is probably
it might be like fifty yards away, you know, at
the closest. I guess, down an old road. I'm looking
down this old road, and you know, I see something
down there. It looked, you know, like maybe black, maybe
had real dark brown, and I'm looking at it, and
the dog immediately he just took off and he goes
under the house. And I guess when we're out of
the house, he bumped his hair or up and made rackets,
you know, and and they opened up the door, you know,
are you okay out there? Yeah? Okay, you know, and
then whatever shut the door, you know, and he's still
standing there, and we're looking at each other, and then
finally he leaves, you know. And then wherever we left
the place, I was still looking down the road, you know,
well you see a deer down there, and yeah, you
know whatever, you know, getting the truck and the leave
and I don't even I don't remember when this was,
do I know? It was probably maybe a couple of
years later, was when the that movie came out about
the Boggy Creek creature, Boggie Creek, you know. Yeah, and
then you know, I started looking at things a lot
more then, you know, I was a little older, and
people talking about Bigfoot and all, you know, like, oh, okay,
that's what I saw. You know, I really didn't know
what I seen when I was a kid. I never
heard Bigfoot before or anything. Really, the movie kind of
started all that for me, you know, after that. That's
still kind of close to us, you know, the part
of Arkansas. It was close to Oklahoma and Louisiana, and
all you know is it's still close and and there's
a lot of stories around the area here, the saying
that strange thing that people seeing. I've seen some strange
stuff before, you know, and seen something. But i'd see
stuff crossing the road, you know, and I don't know
what it is. You know, a lot of times it's fast.
You don't know, it goes across so fast. You know,
you think, you know, I'm able to deer or something,
you know, but the.
Speaker 2: Color's all wrong.
Speaker 3: But now that one you saw on the road like that,
whenever you saw it, you obviously didn't recognize exactly what
it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know what it was. I mean, I
was a little kid, and I didn't really recognize what
it was, you know, I didn't didn't really know anything
about them, you know here in the base, they'm my
big flit or anything. You know. Yeah, a lot of
the old people around here, they used to call them boogers.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Same here.
Speaker 1: You say, Okay, I saw a booger or whatever you did.
Speaker 3: Did you think it was a man or an animal?
Speaker 1: I didn't really know. I mean, I couldn't tell if
it was a man. I mean it stood straight up
like a man, you know. And I mean I'm just
a little you know, but still I'm thinking of me.
Speaker 2: Aful hop or some baby wearing all that today, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you think the dog instantly recognized what it was.
Speaker 1: That dog knew what was gone because he I mean
he left there. He running into the house, and he
was hiding into the house and didn't come back out.
Speaker 3: Didn't want to have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were nothing to do with whatever it was.
And then I guess, maybe, I don't know, maybe a
year or two after that, after the movie came out.
Then I had another little incident that happened. We uh,
we used to ride motorcycles a lot, go up in
the wilderness and ride motorcycles and all them, and you know,
sometimes you're riding down a trail, you know, and you
get the others are way behind or you're way behind
them or something, you know. And my dad he was
gonna play this trick on somebody and he was gonna
come out and splash mudd all over them or something.
Speaker 2: You know. Whatever you think, You'm on going.
Speaker 1: I got nothing to do, you know, And so I
just keep on going up the trail and I get
up maybe one hundred yards front or so. I don't know,
I mean, I have sight of him anyway, you know.
I dodnet going over the hill and going down for
a creek, you know, a big big swampy creeps, always
pretty bad in there, lots of mud. And then you know,
I'm looking at and I sing, eat something in the
bushes and moving, you know, And then then I noticed
whatever it was. It looked like it stood up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, you know, what if I
don't see now, you know, I'm thinking right Redditt first,
I mean, you know, it's a bear or og or something,
you know, But then acker stood up. I said, oh, well,
and that ain't no hawk, you know, it ain't no bear.
And it was pretty tall, and he just kind of
like looked up and and ran off. I mean, all
this just happened just in a couple of split seconds.
And then I was stopped on my bike there. And
then my dad come up and he said, what are
you doing. You're waiting on nothing. I said, no, I said,
I just seen something. I said, look like Bigfoot or something.
I said, I don't know what it was us. It's
all you know, the Lord you're talking about or some
something other or whatever, you know. And he goes off
on he just takes off, and I'm following.
Speaker 2: Him, you know.
Speaker 1: And then when he got up to a bat where
I seen it, and then we see his tracks was
in the MUDs, you know, it's I don't know, he's
like he was there getting water or something like he was,
you know, I think that's what he was doing.
Speaker 2: He was getting water out of the creek.
Speaker 3: Huh. And this was daytime in it, that was right.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was right in the middle of the day.
But it wasn't it wasn't cold weather. I mean it
was it was wintertime, but it wasn't cold weather. Yeah,
you know, so it was cooler weather. But without your recooler,
whether you know you recruider or whether for us you
know it could still you know, it still gets warm though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you guys were riding motorcycles and it's you know, daytime,
so he must he must have not cared too much
that you were there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean we was pretty far into the
forest too when that happened to So usually not a
lot of activity right the.
Speaker 2: Area where.
Speaker 3: Now do people around there? Is it common for them
to have boogers come on their property and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's all kind of stories about that, you know,
and people see nezs and that, you know, and I
mean there's a couple of them whenever, you know it
was doing some investigation. Usually I try to go during
the cooler times of the year and U maybe camp
or build a big fire or something set up all night,
you know, and just look around. But there's been a
few incidents that's happened around the area here. And there
was somebody even claim they hit one with their car
not too long ago, and we got some hair and
some blood and all. I don't know whateveruld become of that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: One of the other guys got it was supposed to
get some DNA off. I don't know whatever happened with that.
But she claims she hit one with her car, but
she may just be telling the story.
Speaker 3: I don't know right.
Speaker 1: I worked out here, I worked on pok is what
I've done. And we had a guy one night that,
oh he still swears up and down, I hit a
big foot. I had big butt that he he was
supposed to go run across the raids and deliver something
and come right back. And it's like then they started
college for him.
Speaker 2: You know, where are you at?
Speaker 1: He never ate you or anything, and we can coming
back up the road, you know, like okay, you know,
maybe the radio bat or something, you know, the radio
went out. He come back and the uh, the front
of the truck had looked like he hit a tree,
but there was this handprint in the hood that we've
all been in. Wow, and uh, he swears up and down. Well,
I had a big foot, you know. Was like one
of the guys that's telling him what the boss was
actually telling him, said no, you don't tell him that,
so that we can ride out of the report write
that you're gonna tell him to get a horse. No,
he wasn't no horse. And finally, you know, he ended
up talking some sense into him right up to he
had a horse. And then I know the next day then,
because this would be a night and this is probably
like two or three o'clock in the morning when this happened.
And then by the time the sun come up, there
was game wardens out. They was out there and they
was looking for this horse that has been hit and
one of the game boards. They had to come by
our little office to go into the rangers and and uh,
I know when they come out, and then one of
the game wards you come out. He come out first.
He came out before everybody else you and he just
sitting there and we were talking. He said, I ain't
going in there no more. And I said, I said
where would you at? And he said, well, I was
where y'all told me to go. And he said I
went walking down in this canyon and said it's pretty
thick in there, you know. Said they goes down and
said this proved deep in the canyon, and he said
there was something in there in there ground at me.
And he said I had to leave. I don't know.
Something security here know what he was. It's scary.
Speaker 3: But are there a lot of reports from around the
military base.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's there's a few there is a few. There's
a few people that has told their stories before, you know,
and and other people they just don't ever say anything.
And I said, well, you know that was whatever, you know,
it was something else, or you know, they don't want
to believe what they what they seeing, you know, right,
But there's some stories around. There's there's a few out
there that I've heard. And there's a there is a
guy here that he claims it when he was well,
he was at Peace Image where he was at there
was another firing range they have and he claimed that they, uh,
I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Something happened anyway, Yeah, I know what it was.
Speaker 1: They said there was a big foot that got injured
when during there was they were firing on the ranges
and then they had to go look for it. They
made him go look for it. So it was his company.
Another company was out looking for it, and the ones
in the other company.
Speaker 2: He said they actually.
Speaker 1: Tracked it down and finished, oh wow, And so he
said I didn't see it, but he said they all
told that. But he said after that said we had
to go to a briefing. After that they told us,
don't say nothing to nobody.
Speaker 3: Did he happen? To say what they did with the body.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear no more about it. He didn't really know.
I'm sure somebody recovered it. I'm sure there was some
wildlife officials or somebody there somewhere.
Speaker 2: That got it.
Speaker 3: Why do you think they keep it a secret?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think really, I think the government's known
about him for a long time and they don't want
us to know about it because they're trying to learn
some of their secrets. You know. It was for nothing,
but some secrets that they can develop into something to
use for shoulders, you know, right.
Speaker 3: That was kind of one of the first things that
I thought of whenever I got involved in all this
and had a sighting. I was like, well, shoot, if
I can have a sighting, there ain't no way that
the government and don't know these things.
Speaker 1: Are out there, you know, in Oklahoma there or whenever
I go to Oklahoma, that's I'm gonna go up and
ride THEK Trail, you know. We'll ride the K Trail
for a ways and camp and listen all night, you
know whatever, mess around the next day and get up
and go some more, you know. And there's an area
there they call Area X, which is see what do
they call that highway four twenty five or whatever, you know,
and then part of it's still national forest and part
of it is like a wildlife management area in there,
and yeah, so it's all pretty you know, pretty much
public land, but there's not a lot of people goes
in there, and they call that area X, you know,
and we sit there, we're sitting around the fire, and
we're telling stories and talking, and somebody mentioned, yeah, there's
a compound up here, you know that the government's got
and they won't let nobody get near it. We don't
know what they do.
Speaker 2: You know, I would have ever tried.
Speaker 1: To find that before, and I can't find that. But
he could just he's probably just talking some talking, some crap.
You know.
Speaker 3: They don't put out all their information, so whenever they've
got something that seems kind of suspicious, people start filling
in their own stories for it.
Speaker 1: And more than likely he didn't. He didn't see it either.
He probably heard it from somebody else, just like you're saying,
they put out they put their own little part to it.
Then he goes to Buttet's own a little.
Speaker 2: Part to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now I have definitely seen some areas where the
Corps of Engineers or somebody like that had fenced off
what just looks like woods to me. And I mean,
I don't know why they would do that, but they
gated off, and you know, they've got signs posted all
over the gate. You know, don't trespass federal property and
all this. You'll be shot and fined and jelled and
your dog will get kicked and anything else we can
do to you.
Speaker 1: And I've been up to a couple of those fishes
before off the K trail. I just there would be
like a little road or something one in there, you know,
And I said, we're all good on his road for
a little ways, you know. And and I go in
there's a big fencing there. I said, no trespassing and
all this, you know, gomert property and violators are going
to be arrested and whatever you do. And I end
up turning around. I'm telling why this is here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now there's a lot of sightings around military bases
just in general. Do you think that's by design, as
in those military bases are in those locations for a reason.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've thought about that, or maybe they
they actually have some bigfoots and they turn them a loose.
I don't know. I ain't never figured that out. But
there's somebody on YouTube and he tells all the stories
about all the military bases that he's been to, and.
Speaker 2: There's always.
Speaker 1: Some story on some military base about some creature, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, do you hear report of things besides Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Not really.
Speaker 1: I mean I've heard of people that way. I was
some strange applet and I've seen this, and I've seen that,
and one guy said, I don't know, it looked like
a big monkey man.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: The big monkey man. He jumped on top of the
building and on and we all ruin.
Speaker 3: You know, So any dog man reports from the area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is some dog man reports, But a lot
of this stuff that people has been talking about, I
think sometimes they're just you know, they may say it's
bigfoot or something that they've seen and it turned out
to be a dog man, and then you know, nearby
there will be a cemetery or there is a big
cemetery there they was in and they don't like them there,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think dog man is a thing like bigfoot?
Or do you think it's something maybe paranormal.
Speaker 1: It's probably more paranormal because I know I've met some
of our research before and we have got on that
subject before dog men and yeah, like you hardly ever,
like I think one time, Yeah, one time we seen
some tracks and its feet didn't it didn't look like
it didn't look like any kind of like a big
foot foot. It was like a human foot. It looked
more like like a big, huge alligator foot, you know, Yeah,
with just like three toes.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I had somebody else on the show that saw those
same type tracks up in Pennsylvania, purely by accident found
him and I saw pictures of the tracks and they
were out on a sandbar on a creek, and yeah,
I don't know what's leaving those tracks around.
Speaker 1: And like in the places where they're at, I know
there ain't no gator living there, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well this was up in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Are the reports you're hearing that you encounter the most?
Are they like road crossings or just chancing encounters? Do
you ever hear any intentional things?
Speaker 1: Yeah, road crosses and changed encounters, and they get to
telling the story some kinds of an encounter, you know,
and you know they're telling you know what I mean,
automatically that changes. Well, you know, they're raven mistaken, you know,
they're mistaken of for what they're calling. They just say
it's a big foot, you know, and they keep telling
their story, you know, and I'm listening, and that's probably
a dog man. You know, Well, let's start saying, you know,
he's gotta, he's gotta. You don't have a like a
human face or like a monkey or anything. His face
looked more like a dog. You know, you had a
longer nose and all you know, and that you know that,
you know, so you know, they start kind of describe
things like that. You know that automatically I start thinking
dog man. You know, they'll start telling them about some differences.
But there's an old newspaper article that was done in
the local newspaper here and I don't remember I think
it was in the early eighties when it was, but
there was somebody I've been down Highway thirty six or
sixty three or whatever it was one of the highways anyway,
and they hit something and killed it. Well they couldn't
figure out what it was, and they even called the
police and said, look, I tore up my car and
I just hit something. I don't know what it is,
and the police come out, you know, and don' the report,
fix your car and get it towed, and they can't
figure out what it was, and there's some pictures of it,
and so the police actually sent some of the DNA
off to LSU Medical Center and then you know, they
didn't even know what it was right act they did DNA.
So that was the dog man of derittor, I think,
is what it is in the article.
Speaker 3: There's been a few instances over the years like that
where people will actually get their hands on some stuff
that they can send off for testing and then you
just never really hear what comes of it, just kind
of vanishes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And some of the guys that I go with
sometime in camping on and they clean one veterinary and
they was using it, would actually look at it and
test it for them. Claim that she moved out of
state and said the government got after her about some stuff.
And then whenever he found her again and went back
to where she was still you know, practice of medicine
at and talked to her and she said, I can't
do that no more. I'm not allowed to do that
no more. Wow, And that was always.
Speaker 2: Ever told about.
Speaker 1: So shut her down, Yeah, got shut down. She moved
from Uh, she went from Louisiana, like northern part of
Louisiana and she went over into county in Arkansas somewhere.
Speaker 3: Now, huh, Now do you hear about any aggressive reports
or attacks of any kind?
Speaker 1: I don't never hear about any attacks. You know, people
getting scared, they think you're attacked, but.
Speaker 2: Year that don't mean you're attacked. Right.
Speaker 3: It was kind of like, uh, you know down there
where you're talking about around Area X. You know, I
always heard about, oh, the bigfoot are way more aggressive
down there, and you gotta be careful in all this.
And that wasn't my experience, and I don't know anybody
that's really experienced.
Speaker 1: That, you know. I had never had that happen either,
And then their only time was we had. It was
just kind of funny going away because I went over
to Alabama one time. There's a there's a place over there.
It's like a big wildlife management area called Geneva State Park.
And there's an old road in there they call it
ron Bridge Road, but the road is closed. You can
only go down to the arn Bridge, and that's it,
the old ron bridge. Somebody's built a fire or something
like it at one time and burn all the wood
out of it. Well, the last time I was there,
it made me thick by now. But this was years
ago when I went down there, and that we kept
getting some porchs from a lady that she's seen a monkey.
She's seen a monkey, you know. So okay, you know,
once that was we went over and we camped and
we spent the night on that arn bridge, and you know,
we're we're kind of staying awake and watching and looking
looking through night vision and all which the night vision
we had back came one't as good as.
Speaker 2: It is now.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, you think you see something you
don't really know and whatever that may be something you know,
we don't quite know, you know. And some start throwing
rocks ats and we know to throwing rocks, were hearing rocks.
It was it was hitting the arn of the bridge,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the next day then we got a report,
we heard them the radio said that they caught it
a scape gorilla. And now always thought that was kind
of faine because they was out looking and they actually
caught a gorilla. You know, here we had the experience
we had something with stowing the rocks at us and
there was so far apart though that I don't think
it was the same animal.
Speaker 3: But they really had an actual gorilla on the loose.
Speaker 2: And it was actually a gorilla. Yep. There was some
zoo I think in Florida.
Speaker 1: They was afraid that the hurricanes was gonna kill him
or something, and somebody had opened the mupp and let
all the animals out.
Speaker 3: Well, now that you said that, that kind of rings
a bell. Yeah, it seems like I kind of remember
hearing about that.
Speaker 1: There was a local newspaper that actually done a story
on that too, and they show a picture of the
gorilla that they captured. But I mean the gorilla was
all gentle. I mean, he wasn't even violent or anything
and didn't do anything. He's always been raised in captivity.
That he was pretty gentle. He wasn't really wild or anything.
Speaker 3: But I mean he can be gentle. If I run
into a gorilla out in the woods, yeah, it's gonna
be a man eater in my eyes.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And and here, I mean, you know there's people before
they'd say, oh, I've seen a monkey, you know, I
see a gorilla or something in the woods, you know,
and you know you think about it, like, you know,
monkeys and gorillas, we really don't have any.
Speaker 3: Food for them.
Speaker 1: You know, what are they living off of? Yeah, you know,
something's gonna have to They're gonna have to be a
meat eater. You know, they're going to eat squirrels and
rabbits and birds and.
Speaker 2: Deer and whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, they're going not they're going to have to
eat wild game. And we don't have that many edible
plan We don't have coconut trees and banana trees and stuff, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right, And I would imagine that, I mean, it
would take them a while to figure out how to hunt,
you know, to catch the meat. I know that. You know,
chimps hunting groups, they will go after animals sometimes, but
you know, they use teamwork to catch them. I don't
think gorillas really go after meat all that much. They
would probably eat it if they had it, but usually
they're just sitting around non on edible plants. What do
you think the bigfoot do?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I know, they they probably do eat meat. I mean
they're doing places before in the woods when I'm hunting
or either doing some research, and I come across areas
where there's all kind of bones at you know, it
looks like there's some kind of it looks like a
dining room you can say, you know, where something's coming
brought stuff to eat, you know, and there's more than
one deer even and there'd be bones around. You know.
Speaker 3: Do you think they still deer from hunters.
Speaker 1: It's possible. If you say, you shoot a deer and
he's wounded and he's laying their diet, and they come
across it, they would probably get it.
Speaker 2: And you know, the people.
Speaker 1: Always lose deer all the time when they shoot deer,
so yeah, you're.
Speaker 2: Probably right about that.
Speaker 1: They probably it's an opportunity, you know, for some food.
Speaker 3: So that seems to be the key to them. They're
extremely opportunistic if they if they've got a chance, because
I mean you hear everything from them chasing down and
killing deer and eating roadkill and even doing a little
dumpster diving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was I knew someone that claimed they
seen them in the dumpster before. You know, she worked
at Walmart and work at night, and then she'd have
to go take out all the trash claim she's seen
one in a.
Speaker 3: Duster behind Walmart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, behind Walmart. She's after that said, I don't take
out the trash no more. She might have seen some
or maybe that's your excuse me, she ain't got to work.
I don't know. But you know the Walmart story. All
are ratt it is all woods all are round it,
and there's a big wildlife management area there and yeah,
it's all big woods a roub it. So it ain't
like I really doubt the story. That could be true. Yeah,
in some way or another, it could be true.
Speaker 3: Have you heard any reports about them swimming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say that that
they've seen them before in the water and you know,
or they be lik in some secluded cove somewhere in
the lake, you know, and they would see something there.
You know.
Speaker 3: I know it seems like I'm asking a bunch of
random questions, but that's because I mean, you're from a
part of the country that I'm kind of familiar with,
and these are some of the things that we used
to always hear about, you know, people reporting that you
don't really hear a lot of people talking about like
you don't hear a lot of reports from the Pacific
northwest of them talking about them swimming, but you hear
quite a bit done in the south.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and that's you know, back in the very
part of our conversation we telling about someone with long hair.
I think that's how they stay cooler. Their hair probably
retains moisture and they go take a swim or whatever,
and then they're good for the day then, you know, yeah,
and their hair just retains a moisture.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's anything paranormal to them.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. Dog men, I would
say yes, But but the Bigfoot, no, he's just I
tell you, I think it's just something that's smart and
knows how to stay away from people.
Speaker 3: Have you seen or encountered anything that you thought was
paranormal while out looking for Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: No, not really.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I've had feelings it might be, you.
Speaker 2: Know, but I didn't put much.
Speaker 1: Thought into it, you know, being paranormal. But yeah, you know,
it's like with the dog men, you know, I've you know,
I've had these feelings and all before in the woods.
That's something's looking at you and watching you, you know,
and you know, somewhere around the burial ground, you know
a lot, there's a lot of eighty barrel grounds around here.
That's where a lot of these stories originate. At with
a dog ben and you're around, you know, you feel
as there's something watching you or something, but I never
I've never seen anything. So they were saying, I'd say,
it's a dog man, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you had any ORB sightings?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. And somebody in the group one time
had had recorded something they claim was an ORB you know,
and you know, where'd you where'd you see that at?
You know, where'd you been that at? And then there
would tell me nothing on it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. They it may be something they faked.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I mean I'm not like really
a skeptic. I'm just a skeptic of what a lot
of people record, you know, and they say, well, you know,
this is what I saw.
Speaker 2: You know it, you know, the.
Speaker 1: Recording might be made up.
Speaker 2: You don't fake, you know, but well, I.
Speaker 3: Mean it happens a lot. Unfortunately, I don't know, never
really understood the motivation behind it. I guess just to
get attention or say that you had some sort of experience.
But I know that people talk about orbs a lot
these days in relation to bigfoot stuff. But I mean,
whenever I was out there, I never saw any orbs
or anything. Not saying that they don't exist. I know
people that have seen them that I completely trust. It's
just not something that I've experienced. And I always had
to kind of experience things for myself.
Speaker 1: And once seeing no orb, you I don't know if
he just got through falling down and got knocking the
head and he's seeing stars in all or dot either. Yeah.
I mean I've never experienced a thing with orbes. I
know whether people might as claimed they have, you know,
and I just said that one even had some video.
They never tell me where it was that or anything
like they're trying to keep their places secret. But there
really ain't no place that is a secret.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's another thing, is the in your locations
private and everything.
Speaker 1: And if I got places to go, look, I'm gonna
tell people, you know. I mean, people can come and
go with me anytime they want to.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna keep anything a secret because I really
want to see a good video and good pictures. You know,
I want to see, you know, some good evidence being tooken.
And I'm not going to be the one to do that.
I may not be the want to do it, but
you know, somebody who else may have more luck than
I have, you know, Yeah, and I happy for all
the time. As you know, say we're going camping, you know,
you know, where can we go and listen for bigfoot?
And well where can we go and maybe find some
tracks and all, you know, And I always tell them,
you know, I'm telling the places I know about. You know.
Speaker 3: Now, do you just look for places that have siding
reports or are there any particular things you look for
whenever you're going to an area Some.
Speaker 1: Of the places that I have been when I want
some of the other guys may be in we're camping
or whatever, their dinner report there, so you know, or
they like the one would the lady claims she hit one.
You know, we we done a lot of walking around
in the area where she was at. You know, there's
a lot of places a lot of times like that. Well,
you know, we're gonna go look the.
Speaker 2: Area over real good.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know nothing else, maybe nothing but drive around
for a while and in the roads and look, you know. Yeah,
but you know, if I just go to my normal
places where I go, I'm mainly just watching. I'm watching
for a movement, if I can see something. And then
I kind of got like one O on the ditch,
you know, where I know, where there's some soft ground,
maybe I'll see a track. You know, I do better
that way.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: That lady that said she hit one, what was her story?
Speaker 1: Her story was, she was coming in from work late
one night. She said something jumped out in front of
me and I hit it, you know, and she said,
I jumped up, and she said I seen it run
off and said it looked like a big foot and
her car was all torn up and everything. She actually
hit some kind of animal. She had hair and bud
all over her vehicle and it was messed up. She
ended up, you know, the insurns ended up fixing her vehicle,
and I think she made a police report and all
on it, but nothing was ever found of that.
Speaker 3: You know, did you go to the site.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went there to where she claimed she hit
it at.
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't ever see any tracks or anything.
But this was probably a couple of weeks after I
mean you know, there was any kind of track, It
may have been washed away already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, it's already.
Speaker 1: Disappeared with time, you know. And one of the guys
he got some mud samples and some hair samples and
we're going to do some DNA, and last I already
was looking for somebody to do DNA, and I'm just
giving the name of a couple of people I knew
that was into that could help him out.
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever become of it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if he's still has it, or
he set it up or what.
Speaker 3: Did you see the hair as yourself? Oh yeah, what
did they look like?
Speaker 1: It was like caught up like in the like around
the edge of the fender and the headlight, you know,
in the in the bumper area in there. You know,
it was like it got caught in it and there
was some wrong hair, you know, but all any days,
it just it just looked like something the long hair,
you know, and you really don't know what it looks like.
You put it on the microscope, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you didn't look at it and say, oh,
well that's just deer hair or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it, you know, it wasn't dear hair.
Deer deer hair gonna be short hair, you know, and
you know it wasn't dear hair. And if it's hogg gary,
hoggary ain't going to be It's not gonna be like
anything else. It's gonna be coarser, but it's gonna be short.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So wasn't anything that I knew they would have hair
that long. Nothing that we know.
Speaker 3: About you mentioned you were a truck driver. Did you
hear any stories while you were doing that?
Speaker 1: When I drove trucks, you find out you're setting around
a truck stop, and truck drivers had always got all
kind of crazy stories. You're telling myself though I never
had expirits on the road. You're most of the time
I'd be out on the Interstate. That's you're driving out
on the Interstate and there are a lot of vehicles
on the air skating. There's not a lot around, Joe.
Speaker 3: Did you ever hear any black dog stories?
Speaker 2: Man? I heard all kinds of stuff I have.
Speaker 1: I heard all kinds of stories about different stuff, and
I think a lot of that. Those people just they're
just talking like you know, they even made a movie
one time, you know, called I forget what it was
Patrick Swayze was at it where he was a truck.
Speaker 2: Driver, you know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that's what it was called, was
Black Dog or something like that.
Speaker 3: I think you're right, man.
Speaker 1: I heard all kinds of stories after that movie came out.
People are crazy, they did and wanted something to talk about. Yeah,
they get more. They got nobody to talk to, and
then when they do get around somebody to talk.
Speaker 2: To, they can't shut up.
Speaker 3: So who's this group of guys that you go running
around with? Are you like an actual bigfoot group?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, kind of. It's uh yeah, it's losing in
a big Foot hunters the only ones that have auld
ever over of us that ever goes out camping and looking.
It's always kind of the same ones all the time.
We're all old. Anyway, we're not gonna get out there
and run through the woods and chase him down. In Nacatives,
they usually have the Nagatives Bigfoot Festival every year, and
they usually have speakers speaking there and people calling their
stories and all. And I've gone to the last two.
They might be going to do another one, you know
here here soon that I think you have a problem
getting a building a place that has enough capacity, you know,
because they're using the events center there and it bit
center has got like a couple of little rooms where
people can go in and speak, you know, and they
have seats. There's not a lot of seats in there,
and the nurse a couple of areas in the middle
it's open and that's usually where all the vendors is at.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, they do pretty good at that festival,
don't they. It's been pretty big, but it seems to
be growing each year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's pretty big, and they don't really
have enough seats for everybody, you know, and and use
the building is packed, I know. The first time they've
done it, there was so many people showed up. There
was a line come out of the door and going
down the sidewalk down the street and people, you know,
they couldn't find any parking. Really, the parking lot was full,
and people was parking on the sides of the streets
and everything else, and they were standing in line for
long piers trying to get in and the line wasn't
even moving fast enough. You know, you get everybody in.
Speaker 2: And then the next.
Speaker 1: Year acted that they figured out a way to have
several lines they it all moved faster, though, but the
building couldn't hold all the people that wanted to come.
Speaker 3: You know, so, I assume you're talking about Carl and Jeff.
I've had them on the show a couple of times.
I like those guys. I think that'll about do it.
I appreciate you coming on and sharing some stories and
talking about your own experiences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, call me anytime. I'm sure I'll have some more
stories to tell with they.
Speaker 3: If you've had a run in with Bigfoot or something
else you can't explain you'd like to share your story
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remember there's something in the woods.
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