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was out in the woods. Well, I mean way out

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in the woods. It was a hunting camp, is way

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting down here and.

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Speaker 1: I'm playing with the old dog gets out there. I

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don't know. I just happened to look up and this

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is probably it might be like fifty yards away, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, at the closest.

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Speaker 1: I guess, down an old road.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking down.

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Speaker 1: This old road, you know, I see something down there,

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and it looked, you know, like maybe black, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Had real dark brown.

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Speaker 1: And the dog immediately he just took off and he

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goes there of the house, and I guess when we're

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out of the house, he bumped his head or something

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made rackets, you know, and they opened up the door.

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Speaker 2: You know, Are you okay out there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, you know, and then whatever set the door,

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you don't and he's still standing there and we're looking

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at each other.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to welcome Stephen Country Jones to the podcast.

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Do you go by Steve, Steven or Country whatever they

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call me? Yeah, you want to be careful putting that

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out there. I've been called some things before.

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Speaker 2: I have to way don't matter.

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Speaker 3: How did you get the nickname country.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was just.

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Speaker 1: A name I had a long time ago when I

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drove trucks, and that was like my handle on the

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CB and the bee was started calling me that. Oh okay,

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Cage book, does one of their weird things take your

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page down. I lose all my pictures and everything I

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had on there. And so then I just went in

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one day and I changed the name and I said, oh,

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I'm gonna use my nickname.

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Speaker 3: Then, well, how did you find your way into the

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big foot world?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's lying things. I've kind of been

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into my whole life and been looking around and that

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hadn't really been involved with people. And you know, I

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hadn't went to seminars or anything, doesn't to anybody speak,

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And I started listening to people speaking and enduring places

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here tray the pastud make years.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was always too busy.

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Speaker 1: I was always working and I couldn't go any place.

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Speaker 3: Really, But are you actively doing like I hate to

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use the term research, but out looking for these things?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I do now sometimes, Like I mean I run

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up to up in the National Wards and go up

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in the hills of Cassachi. You know all the time,

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and usually when I'm up there, I go do what

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I got to do. I go up there and go

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to the springs and get water is one thing I do.

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and look.

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Speaker 2: And and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I see thinking, sometimes I see tracks. Sometimes I

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see absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 1: It depends on the weather too, you know, I've noticed

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a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: The weather controls a lot of it, you know.

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Speaker 1: And late in the evening, you know, the early part

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of the morning I come up. Mean, it's got a

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better chance of seeing something then than it was in

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the middle of the day. So I try not to

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be up there in the dark.

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Speaker 3: I don't like to drive it dark a dark time anymore.

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So I'm going to ask you this question. This is

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something that I've heard over the years, and I think

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you're in a place to answer it as good as anybody.

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What does something that big and covered in hair do

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whenever it gets one hundred and ten degrees out in

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the swamps, with the ticks and everything else going on.

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and there is places where we do have water, and

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you know, I've thought about that before too, and I

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think probably the hair apps keep them cool. You know,

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it probably retains moisture and help keep them cool.

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rolling around in the mud and stuff to kind of

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don't know if it's this way there. Do you notice

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the activity and everything kind of slowing down whenever it

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actually found places and some of our you know, some

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of our research and some of the places we've gone

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before around you know, just down here now, I have

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seen places where you know, I see it look like

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something hairy wallered in the mud, you know, and rolling around.

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and usually hog is gonna carry everything up. Anyway, it

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wasn't all torn up. It's like there's something rolled in

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and mashed it down. You know, you go go, Marry.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever see big hollowed out areas in the

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creek banks?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I do, And then sometimes I've even felt some

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nest before and these nests are huge, right, There's a

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picture of me laying in one, and it's a lot

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bigger than me laying in that nest. You know, it's

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like a like a big bird nest or something.

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there's pine straw and leaves and stuff in it, and

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there is no pine straw leads around, you know. Yeah,

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it looks like it'd be a good bed, you know.

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done it, you know.

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Speaker 3: I remember one time the people that I used to

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run around with. I wasn't there at the time, but

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they talked about finding a very similar structure to that.

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actually built into it was an old man in house.

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I'm not going to say where. Uh, And the floor

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was kind of broken out of it, and you know,

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it had like the crawl space and everything, so there

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was a gap there between the floor and the ground

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and this was kind of built in that hole. And

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they said, you know, it was a good you know,

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eight to ten foot across. So I mean, I don't

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know what would do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I found, you know, not really good tracks

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before if I'm on you know, walling in the mud,

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and all I have seen like maybe two foot prints

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so you so you can't follow the tracks and see

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where they go, you know, Yeah, I mean if you

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get consistent tracks. Sometimes it seemed like you could, you

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could get a little closer. But you know, whenever I

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see a track, it'd be like one footprint in a

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ditch or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they leave tracks, but you know, we've got a

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lot of hard ground here, and especially you know it

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dry as it is right now. Yeah, it's hard to

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leave a track right now. If anything even does leave

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a track there, hard ground has a lot to do

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with it. They may be an area that they'd come

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through that was kind of soft, and then you know,

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want to see those cracks, Yeah, trucks is something. Sometimes

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it all depends. You know, it's hard to see.

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first started for you. Do you mind telling that story

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about when you discovered that Bigfoot was out there running

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around when I was a.

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Speaker 1: My dad he would work sometimes, he didn't have a

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real heavy work schedule or anything at work, and so

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he'd go west around and chase women during the day

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and everything, you know, and I'd go ride with him,

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you know, I'd get there. You know, a lot of

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times I stay outside the house. Okay, we couldn't go

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in the house, you know, stay outside, yeah, you know,

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and play with their dogs and whatever, you know. And Well,

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I'm playing with the old dog that's out there, and

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playing with the dog, you know, and then I don't know,

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down this old road, and you know, I see something

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the dog immediately he just took off and he goes

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the house, he bumped his hair or up and made rackets,

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are you okay out there? Yeah? Okay, you know, and

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then whatever shut the door, you know, and he's still

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the place, I was still looking down the road, you know,

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know whatever, you know, getting the truck and the leave

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and I don't even I don't remember when this was,

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do I know? It was probably maybe a couple of

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the Boggy Creek creature, Boggie Creek, you know. Yeah, and

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people talking about Bigfoot and all, you know, like, oh, okay,

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that's what I saw. You know, I really didn't know

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what I seen when I was a kid. I never

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heard Bigfoot before or anything. Really, the movie kind of

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started all that for me, you know, after that. That's

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still kind of close to us, you know, the part

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of Arkansas. It was close to Oklahoma and Louisiana, and

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all you know is it's still close and and there's

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a lot of stories around the area here, the saying

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that strange thing that people seeing. I've seen some strange

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stuff before, you know, and seen something. But i'd see

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stuff crossing the road, you know, and I don't know

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what it is. You know, a lot of times it's fast.

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you think, you know, I'm able to deer or something,

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Speaker 2: Color's all wrong.

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Speaker 3: But now that one you saw on the road like that,

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whenever you saw it, you obviously didn't recognize exactly what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know what it was. I mean, I

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was a little kid, and I didn't really recognize what

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about them, you know here in the base, they'm my

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big flit or anything. You know. Yeah, a lot of

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the old people around here, they used to call them boogers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Same here.

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Speaker 1: You say, Okay, I saw a booger or whatever you did.

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Speaker 3: Did you think it was a man or an animal?

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Speaker 1: I didn't really know. I mean, I couldn't tell if

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it was a man. I mean it stood straight up

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like a man, you know. And I mean I'm just

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Speaker 2: Aful hop or some baby wearing all that today, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you think the dog instantly recognized what it was.

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Speaker 1: That dog knew what was gone because he I mean

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he left there. He running into the house, and he

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Speaker 3: Didn't want to have nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were nothing to do with whatever it was.

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year or two after that, after the movie came out.

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Then I had another little incident that happened. We uh,

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we used to ride motorcycles a lot, go up in

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the wilderness and ride motorcycles and all them, and you know,

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sometimes you're riding down a trail, you know, and you

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get the others are way behind or you're way behind

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them or something, you know. And my dad he was

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gonna play this trick on somebody and he was gonna

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come out and splash mudd all over them or something.

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Speaker 2: You know. Whatever you think, You'm on going.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing to do, you know, And so I

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just keep on going up the trail and I get

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up maybe one hundred yards front or so. I don't know,

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I mean, I have sight of him anyway, you know.

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I dodnet going over the hill and going down for

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a creek, you know, a big big swampy creeps, always

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pretty bad in there, lots of mud. And then you know,

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I'm looking at and I sing, eat something in the

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bushes and moving, you know, And then then I noticed

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whatever it was. It looked like it stood up.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, you know, what if I

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don't see now, you know, I'm thinking right Redditt first,

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I mean, you know, it's a bear or og or something,

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you know, But then acker stood up. I said, oh, well,

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and that ain't no hawk, you know, it ain't no bear.

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And it was pretty tall, and he just kind of

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like looked up and and ran off. I mean, all

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this just happened just in a couple of split seconds.

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then my dad come up and he said, what are

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you doing. You're waiting on nothing. I said, no, I said,

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I just seen something. I said, look like Bigfoot or something.

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I said, I don't know what it was us. It's

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all you know, the Lord you're talking about or some

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something other or whatever, you know. And he goes off

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on he just takes off, and I'm following.

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Speaker 2: Him, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then when he got up to a bat where

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I seen it, and then we see his tracks was

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in the MUDs, you know, it's I don't know, he's

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like he was there getting water or something like he was,

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you know, I think that's what he was doing.

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Speaker 2: He was getting water out of the creek.

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Speaker 3: Huh. And this was daytime in it, that was right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this was right in the middle of the day.

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But it wasn't it wasn't cold weather. I mean it

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was it was wintertime, but it wasn't cold weather. Yeah,

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you know, so it was cooler weather. But without your recooler,

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whether you know you recruider or whether for us you

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know it could still you know, it still gets warm though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But you guys were riding motorcycles and it's you know, daytime,

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so he must he must have not cared too much

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that you were there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean we was pretty far into the

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forest too when that happened to So usually not a

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lot of activity right the.

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Speaker 2: Area where.

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Speaker 3: Now do people around there? Is it common for them

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to have boogers come on their property and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's all kind of stories about that, you know,

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and people see nezs and that, you know, and I

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mean there's a couple of them whenever, you know it

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was doing some investigation. Usually I try to go during

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the cooler times of the year and U maybe camp

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or build a big fire or something set up all night,

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you know, and just look around. But there's been a

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few incidents that's happened around the area here. And there

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was somebody even claim they hit one with their car

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not too long ago, and we got some hair and

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some blood and all. I don't know whateveruld become of that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: One of the other guys got it was supposed to

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get some DNA off. I don't know whatever happened with that.

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But she claims she hit one with her car, but

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she may just be telling the story.

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Speaker 3: I don't know right.

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Speaker 1: I worked out here, I worked on pok is what

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I've done. And we had a guy one night that,

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oh he still swears up and down, I hit a

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big foot. I had big butt that he he was

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supposed to go run across the raids and deliver something

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and come right back. And it's like then they started

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college for him.

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Speaker 2: You know, where are you at?

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Speaker 1: He never ate you or anything, and we can coming

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back up the road, you know, like okay, you know,

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maybe the radio bat or something, you know, the radio

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went out. He come back and the uh, the front

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of the truck had looked like he hit a tree,

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but there was this handprint in the hood that we've

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all been in. Wow, and uh, he swears up and down. Well,

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I had a big foot, you know. Was like one

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of the guys that's telling him what the boss was

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actually telling him, said no, you don't tell him that,

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so that we can ride out of the report write

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that you're gonna tell him to get a horse. No,

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he wasn't no horse. And finally, you know, he ended

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up talking some sense into him right up to he

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had a horse. And then I know the next day then,

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because this would be a night and this is probably

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like two or three o'clock in the morning when this happened.

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And then by the time the sun come up, there

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was game wardens out. They was out there and they

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was looking for this horse that has been hit and

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one of the game boards. They had to come by

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our little office to go into the rangers and and uh,

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I know when they come out, and then one of

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the game wards you come out. He come out first.

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He came out before everybody else you and he just

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sitting there and we were talking. He said, I ain't

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going in there no more. And I said, I said

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where would you at? And he said, well, I was

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where y'all told me to go. And he said I

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went walking down in this canyon and said it's pretty

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thick in there, you know. Said they goes down and

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said this proved deep in the canyon, and he said

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there was something in there in there ground at me.

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And he said I had to leave. I don't know.

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Something security here know what he was. It's scary.

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Speaker 3: But are there a lot of reports from around the

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military base.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's there's a few there is a few. There's

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a few people that has told their stories before, you know,

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and and other people they just don't ever say anything.

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And I said, well, you know that was whatever, you know,

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it was something else, or you know, they don't want

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to believe what they what they seeing, you know, right,

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But there's some stories around. There's there's a few out

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there that I've heard. And there's a there is a

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guy here that he claims it when he was well,

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he was at Peace Image where he was at there

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was another firing range they have and he claimed that they, uh,

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I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: Something happened anyway, Yeah, I know what it was.

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Speaker 1: They said there was a big foot that got injured

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when during there was they were firing on the ranges

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and then they had to go look for it. They

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made him go look for it. So it was his company.

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Another company was out looking for it, and the ones

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in the other company.

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Speaker 2: He said they actually.

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Speaker 1: Tracked it down and finished, oh wow, And so he

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said I didn't see it, but he said they all

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told that. But he said after that said we had

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to go to a briefing. After that they told us,

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don't say nothing to nobody.

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Speaker 3: Did he happen? To say what they did with the body.

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear no more about it. He didn't really know.

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I'm sure somebody recovered it. I'm sure there was some

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wildlife officials or somebody there somewhere.

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Speaker 2: That got it.

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Speaker 3: Why do you think they keep it a secret?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think I think really, I think the government's known

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about him for a long time and they don't want

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us to know about it because they're trying to learn

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some of their secrets. You know. It was for nothing,

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but some secrets that they can develop into something to

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use for shoulders, you know, right.

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Speaker 3: That was kind of one of the first things that

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I thought of whenever I got involved in all this

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and had a sighting. I was like, well, shoot, if

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I can have a sighting, there ain't no way that

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the government and don't know these things.

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Speaker 1: Are out there, you know, in Oklahoma there or whenever

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I go to Oklahoma, that's I'm gonna go up and

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ride THEK Trail, you know. We'll ride the K Trail

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for a ways and camp and listen all night, you

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know whatever, mess around the next day and get up

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and go some more, you know. And there's an area

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there they call Area X, which is see what do

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they call that highway four twenty five or whatever, you know,

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and then part of it's still national forest and part

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of it is like a wildlife management area in there,

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and yeah, so it's all pretty you know, pretty much

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public land, but there's not a lot of people goes

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in there, and they call that area X, you know,

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and we sit there, we're sitting around the fire, and

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we're telling stories and talking, and somebody mentioned, yeah, there's

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a compound up here, you know that the government's got

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and they won't let nobody get near it. We don't

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know what they do.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would have ever tried.

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Speaker 1: To find that before, and I can't find that. But

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he could just he's probably just talking some talking, some crap.

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You know.

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Speaker 3: They don't put out all their information, so whenever they've

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got something that seems kind of suspicious, people start filling

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in their own stories for it.

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Speaker 1: And more than likely he didn't. He didn't see it either.

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He probably heard it from somebody else, just like you're saying,

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they put out they put their own little part to it.

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Then he goes to Buttet's own a little.

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Speaker 2: Part to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now I have definitely seen some areas where the

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Corps of Engineers or somebody like that had fenced off

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what just looks like woods to me. And I mean,

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I don't know why they would do that, but they

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gated off, and you know, they've got signs posted all

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over the gate. You know, don't trespass federal property and

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all this. You'll be shot and fined and jelled and

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your dog will get kicked and anything else we can

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do to you.

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Speaker 1: And I've been up to a couple of those fishes

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before off the K trail. I just there would be

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like a little road or something one in there, you know,

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And I said, we're all good on his road for

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a little ways, you know. And and I go in

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there's a big fencing there. I said, no trespassing and

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all this, you know, gomert property and violators are going

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to be arrested and whatever you do. And I end

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up turning around. I'm telling why this is here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now there's a lot of sightings around military bases

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just in general. Do you think that's by design, as

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in those military bases are in those locations for a reason.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I've thought about that, or maybe they

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they actually have some bigfoots and they turn them a loose.

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I don't know. I ain't never figured that out. But

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there's somebody on YouTube and he tells all the stories

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about all the military bases that he's been to, and.

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Speaker 2: There's always.

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Speaker 1: Some story on some military base about some creature, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, do you hear report of things besides Bigfoot?

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Speaker 2: Not really.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've heard of people that way. I was

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some strange applet and I've seen this, and I've seen that,

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and one guy said, I don't know, it looked like

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a big monkey man.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 1: The big monkey man. He jumped on top of the

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building and on and we all ruin.

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Speaker 3: You know, So any dog man reports from the area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is some dog man reports, But a lot

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00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,440
of this stuff that people has been talking about, I

476
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,759
think sometimes they're just you know, they may say it's

477
00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:33,559
bigfoot or something that they've seen and it turned out

478
00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:36,640
to be a dog man, and then you know, nearby

479
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,759
there will be a cemetery or there is a big

480
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:42,519
cemetery there they was in and they don't like them there,

481
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:42,759
you know.

482
00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:47,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think dog man is a thing like bigfoot?

483
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,400
Or do you think it's something maybe paranormal.

484
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:56,839
Speaker 1: It's probably more paranormal because I know I've met some

485
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,599
of our research before and we have got on that

486
00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:04,960
subject before dog men and yeah, like you hardly ever,

487
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,640
like I think one time, Yeah, one time we seen

488
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,359
some tracks and its feet didn't it didn't look like

489
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,160
it didn't look like any kind of like a big

490
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,160
foot foot. It was like a human foot. It looked

491
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,359
more like like a big, huge alligator foot, you know, Yeah,

492
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,519
with just like three toes.

493
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Speaker 2: You know.

494
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,759
Speaker 3: I had somebody else on the show that saw those

495
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:35,359
same type tracks up in Pennsylvania, purely by accident found

496
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,559
him and I saw pictures of the tracks and they

497
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:41,480
were out on a sandbar on a creek, and yeah,

498
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I don't know what's leaving those tracks around.

499
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Speaker 1: And like in the places where they're at, I know

500
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,599
there ain't no gator living there, you know.

501
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, well this was up in Pennsylvania.

502
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

503
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,759
Speaker 3: Are the reports you're hearing that you encounter the most?

504
00:23:55,799 --> 00:24:01,000
Are they like road crossings or just chancing encounters? Do

505
00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:03,079
you ever hear any intentional things?

506
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, road crosses and changed encounters, and they get to

507
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,000
telling the story some kinds of an encounter, you know,

508
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,480
and you know they're telling you know what I mean,

509
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,519
automatically that changes. Well, you know, they're raven mistaken, you know,

510
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:20,119
they're mistaken of for what they're calling. They just say

511
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,640
it's a big foot, you know, and they keep telling

512
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,799
their story, you know, and I'm listening, and that's probably

513
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:28,160
a dog man. You know, Well, let's start saying, you know,

514
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,559
he's gotta, he's gotta. You don't have a like a

515
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,200
human face or like a monkey or anything. His face

516
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,680
looked more like a dog. You know, you had a

517
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,119
longer nose and all you know, and that you know that,

518
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,119
you know, so you know, they start kind of describe

519
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,000
things like that. You know that automatically I start thinking

520
00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:48,759
dog man. You know, they'll start telling them about some differences.

521
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:52,240
But there's an old newspaper article that was done in

522
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,920
the local newspaper here and I don't remember I think

523
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,640
it was in the early eighties when it was, but

524
00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:03,839
there was somebody I've been down Highway thirty six or

525
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,440
sixty three or whatever it was one of the highways anyway,

526
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,200
and they hit something and killed it. Well they couldn't

527
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,200
figure out what it was, and they even called the

528
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,039
police and said, look, I tore up my car and

529
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:18,680
I just hit something. I don't know what it is,

530
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,880
and the police come out, you know, and don' the report,

531
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,160
fix your car and get it towed, and they can't

532
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,319
figure out what it was, and there's some pictures of it,

533
00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:32,599
and so the police actually sent some of the DNA

534
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,839
off to LSU Medical Center and then you know, they

535
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,000
didn't even know what it was right act they did DNA.

536
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,359
So that was the dog man of derittor, I think,

537
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,240
is what it is in the article.

538
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:49,839
Speaker 3: There's been a few instances over the years like that

539
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,759
where people will actually get their hands on some stuff

540
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,839
that they can send off for testing and then you

541
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,720
just never really hear what comes of it, just kind

542
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,359
of vanishes.

543
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And some of the guys that I go with

544
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,079
sometime in camping on and they clean one veterinary and

545
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:13,880
they was using it, would actually look at it and

546
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,759
test it for them. Claim that she moved out of

547
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:21,039
state and said the government got after her about some stuff.

548
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,680
And then whenever he found her again and went back

549
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,319
to where she was still you know, practice of medicine

550
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:29,240
at and talked to her and she said, I can't

551
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:30,759
do that no more. I'm not allowed to do that

552
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:34,079
no more. Wow, And that was always.

553
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:34,599
Speaker 2: Ever told about.

554
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: So shut her down, Yeah, got shut down. She moved

555
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,160
from Uh, she went from Louisiana, like northern part of

556
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,720
Louisiana and she went over into county in Arkansas somewhere.

557
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: Now, huh, Now do you hear about any aggressive reports

558
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:51,720
or attacks of any kind?

559
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:55,519
Speaker 1: I don't never hear about any attacks. You know, people

560
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,440
getting scared, they think you're attacked, but.

561
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: Year that don't mean you're attacked. Right.

562
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 3: It was kind of like, uh, you know down there

563
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:10,000
where you're talking about around Area X. You know, I

564
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:14,000
always heard about, oh, the bigfoot are way more aggressive

565
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,759
down there, and you gotta be careful in all this.

566
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,920
And that wasn't my experience, and I don't know anybody

567
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,920
that's really experienced.

568
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,559
Speaker 1: That, you know. I had never had that happen either,

569
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,880
And then their only time was we had. It was

570
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,799
just kind of funny going away because I went over

571
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,319
to Alabama one time. There's a there's a place over there.

572
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,599
It's like a big wildlife management area called Geneva State Park.

573
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:46,359
And there's an old road in there they call it

574
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:49,359
ron Bridge Road, but the road is closed. You can

575
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,640
only go down to the arn Bridge, and that's it,

576
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:55,079
the old ron bridge. Somebody's built a fire or something

577
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,279
like it at one time and burn all the wood

578
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,319
out of it. Well, the last time I was there,

579
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,799
it made me thick by now. But this was years

580
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:06,039
ago when I went down there, and that we kept

581
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:10,599
getting some porchs from a lady that she's seen a monkey.

582
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,759
She's seen a monkey, you know. So okay, you know,

583
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,240
once that was we went over and we camped and

584
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,920
we spent the night on that arn bridge, and you know,

585
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:25,119
we're we're kind of staying awake and watching and looking

586
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,160
looking through night vision and all which the night vision

587
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,759
we had back came one't as good as.

588
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: It is now.

589
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, you think you see something you

590
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,039
don't really know and whatever that may be something you know,

591
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,920
we don't quite know, you know. And some start throwing

592
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,960
rocks ats and we know to throwing rocks, were hearing rocks.

593
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,680
It was it was hitting the arn of the bridge,

594
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:46,920
you know.

595
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

596
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,599
Speaker 1: And then the next day then we got a report,

597
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:56,920
we heard them the radio said that they caught it

598
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,720
a scape gorilla. And now always thought that was kind

599
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,599
of faine because they was out looking and they actually

600
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,440
caught a gorilla. You know, here we had the experience

601
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,440
we had something with stowing the rocks at us and

602
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,799
there was so far apart though that I don't think

603
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:11,839
it was the same animal.

604
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: But they really had an actual gorilla on the loose.

605
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,759
Speaker 2: And it was actually a gorilla. Yep. There was some

606
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,759
zoo I think in Florida.

607
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: They was afraid that the hurricanes was gonna kill him

608
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:27,960
or something, and somebody had opened the mupp and let

609
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,880
all the animals out.

610
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: Well, now that you said that, that kind of rings

611
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,160
a bell. Yeah, it seems like I kind of remember

612
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:35,960
hearing about that.

613
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,559
Speaker 1: There was a local newspaper that actually done a story

614
00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:43,240
on that too, and they show a picture of the

615
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,519
gorilla that they captured. But I mean the gorilla was

616
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,119
all gentle. I mean, he wasn't even violent or anything

617
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,039
and didn't do anything. He's always been raised in captivity.

618
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,079
That he was pretty gentle. He wasn't really wild or anything.

619
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,799
Speaker 3: But I mean he can be gentle. If I run

620
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:03,440
into a gorilla out in the woods, yeah, it's gonna

621
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,960
be a man eater in my eyes.

622
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:06,319
Speaker 2: You know.

623
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: And and here, I mean, you know there's people before

624
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,359
they'd say, oh, I've seen a monkey, you know, I

625
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,559
see a gorilla or something in the woods, you know,

626
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,559
and you know you think about it, like, you know,

627
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,200
monkeys and gorillas, we really don't have any.

628
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:24,759
Speaker 3: Food for them.

629
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:28,079
Speaker 1: You know, what are they living off of? Yeah, you know,

630
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,240
something's gonna have to They're gonna have to be a

631
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,319
meat eater. You know, they're going to eat squirrels and

632
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,680
rabbits and birds and.

633
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: Deer and whatever.

634
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: You know, they're going not they're going to have to

635
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:43,039
eat wild game. And we don't have that many edible

636
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:46,200
plan We don't have coconut trees and banana trees and stuff, you.

637
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: Know, right, And I would imagine that, I mean, it

638
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,599
would take them a while to figure out how to hunt,

639
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,279
you know, to catch the meat. I know that. You know,

640
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,880
chimps hunting groups, they will go after animals sometimes, but

641
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,240
you know, they use teamwork to catch them. I don't

642
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,160
think gorillas really go after meat all that much. They

643
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,799
would probably eat it if they had it, but usually

644
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:14,519
they're just sitting around non on edible plants. What do

645
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:15,720
you think the bigfoot do?

646
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:17,759
Speaker 2: Oh?

647
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:20,519
Speaker 1: I know, they they probably do eat meat. I mean

648
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,559
they're doing places before in the woods when I'm hunting

649
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,640
or either doing some research, and I come across areas

650
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,599
where there's all kind of bones at you know, it

651
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,200
looks like there's some kind of it looks like a

652
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,680
dining room you can say, you know, where something's coming

653
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:37,880
brought stuff to eat, you know, and there's more than

654
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,440
one deer even and there'd be bones around. You know.

655
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,079
Speaker 3: Do you think they still deer from hunters.

656
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,599
Speaker 1: It's possible. If you say, you shoot a deer and

657
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,880
he's wounded and he's laying their diet, and they come

658
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,400
across it, they would probably get it.

659
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: And you know, the people.

660
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,559
Speaker 1: Always lose deer all the time when they shoot deer,

661
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,680
so yeah, you're.

662
00:31:58,559 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: Probably right about that.

663
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,079
Speaker 1: They probably it's an opportunity, you know, for some food.

664
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,599
Speaker 3: So that seems to be the key to them. They're

665
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,960
extremely opportunistic if they if they've got a chance, because

666
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,240
I mean you hear everything from them chasing down and

667
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,480
killing deer and eating roadkill and even doing a little

668
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:20,319
dumpster diving.

669
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was I knew someone that claimed they

670
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:31,440
seen them in the dumpster before. You know, she worked

671
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,079
at Walmart and work at night, and then she'd have

672
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,559
to go take out all the trash claim she's seen

673
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:38,039
one in a.

674
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,359
Speaker 3: Duster behind Walmart.

675
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, behind Walmart. She's after that said, I don't take

676
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,839
out the trash no more. She might have seen some

677
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,000
or maybe that's your excuse me, she ain't got to work.

678
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:54,039
I don't know. But you know the Walmart story. All

679
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,079
are ratt it is all woods all are round it,

680
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,519
and there's a big wildlife management area there and yeah,

681
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,880
it's all big woods a roub it. So it ain't

682
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,319
like I really doubt the story. That could be true. Yeah,

683
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,200
in some way or another, it could be true.

684
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: Have you heard any reports about them swimming.

685
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say that that

686
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,799
they've seen them before in the water and you know,

687
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,680
or they be lik in some secluded cove somewhere in

688
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,279
the lake, you know, and they would see something there.

689
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:24,759
You know.

690
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,319
Speaker 3: I know it seems like I'm asking a bunch of

691
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,119
random questions, but that's because I mean, you're from a

692
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,200
part of the country that I'm kind of familiar with,

693
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,440
and these are some of the things that we used

694
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,119
to always hear about, you know, people reporting that you

695
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,640
don't really hear a lot of people talking about like

696
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,240
you don't hear a lot of reports from the Pacific

697
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,839
northwest of them talking about them swimming, but you hear

698
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,359
quite a bit done in the south.

699
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and that's you know, back in the very

700
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,000
part of our conversation we telling about someone with long hair.

701
00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:58,920
I think that's how they stay cooler. Their hair probably

702
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,880
retains moisture and they go take a swim or whatever,

703
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,359
and then they're good for the day then, you know, yeah,

704
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,240
and their hair just retains a moisture.

705
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: Do you think there's anything paranormal to them.

706
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

707
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. Dog men, I would

708
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,079
say yes, But but the Bigfoot, no, he's just I

709
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:26,159
tell you, I think it's just something that's smart and

710
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,519
knows how to stay away from people.

711
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: Have you seen or encountered anything that you thought was

712
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,760
paranormal while out looking for Bigfoot?

713
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: Uh?

714
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: No, not really.

715
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I've had feelings it might be, you.

716
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:43,639
Speaker 2: Know, but I didn't put much.

717
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: Thought into it, you know, being paranormal. But yeah, you know,

718
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,400
it's like with the dog men, you know, I've you know,

719
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,119
I've had these feelings and all before in the woods.

720
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,400
That's something's looking at you and watching you, you know,

721
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,679
and you know, somewhere around the burial ground, you know

722
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,599
a lot, there's a lot of eighty barrel grounds around here.

723
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,159
That's where a lot of these stories originate. At with

724
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,079
a dog ben and you're around, you know, you feel

725
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,079
as there's something watching you or something, but I never

726
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:15,559
I've never seen anything. So they were saying, I'd say,

727
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:16,760
it's a dog man, you know.

728
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you had any ORB sightings?

729
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: Uh?

730
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. And somebody in the group one time

731
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:34,480
had had recorded something they claim was an ORB you know,

732
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:36,960
and you know, where'd you where'd you see that at?

733
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:38,440
You know, where'd you been that at? And then there

734
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,599
would tell me nothing on it.

735
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: So I don't know. They it may be something they faked.

736
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I mean I'm not like really

737
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,920
a skeptic. I'm just a skeptic of what a lot

738
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,119
of people record, you know, and they say, well, you know,

739
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:54,760
this is what I saw.

740
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: You know it, you know, the.

741
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: Recording might be made up.

742
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: You don't fake, you know, but well, I.

743
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,199
Speaker 3: Mean it happens a lot. Unfortunately, I don't know, never

744
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,760
really understood the motivation behind it. I guess just to

745
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,280
get attention or say that you had some sort of experience.

746
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,119
But I know that people talk about orbs a lot

747
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,320
these days in relation to bigfoot stuff. But I mean,

748
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,719
whenever I was out there, I never saw any orbs

749
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,880
or anything. Not saying that they don't exist. I know

750
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,320
people that have seen them that I completely trust. It's

751
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,719
just not something that I've experienced. And I always had

752
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,199
to kind of experience things for myself.

753
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,159
Speaker 1: And once seeing no orb, you I don't know if

754
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:36,199
he just got through falling down and got knocking the

755
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,800
head and he's seeing stars in all or dot either. Yeah.

756
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,280
I mean I've never experienced a thing with orbes. I

757
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,159
know whether people might as claimed they have, you know,

758
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,679
and I just said that one even had some video.

759
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,679
They never tell me where it was that or anything

760
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,760
like they're trying to keep their places secret. But there

761
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,599
really ain't no place that is a secret.

762
00:36:55,639 --> 00:37:01,039
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's another thing, is the in your locations

763
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:02,159
private and everything.

764
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: And if I got places to go, look, I'm gonna

765
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,000
tell people, you know. I mean, people can come and

766
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:08,599
go with me anytime they want to.

767
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care.

768
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna keep anything a secret because I really

769
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,199
want to see a good video and good pictures. You know,

770
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,599
I want to see, you know, some good evidence being tooken.

771
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,719
And I'm not going to be the one to do that.

772
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,039
I may not be the want to do it, but

773
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,760
you know, somebody who else may have more luck than

774
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,360
I have, you know, Yeah, and I happy for all

775
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,480
the time. As you know, say we're going camping, you know,

776
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,360
you know, where can we go and listen for bigfoot?

777
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,239
And well where can we go and maybe find some

778
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,199
tracks and all, you know, And I always tell them,

779
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,960
you know, I'm telling the places I know about. You know.

780
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: Now, do you just look for places that have siding

781
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,280
reports or are there any particular things you look for

782
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,239
whenever you're going to an area Some.

783
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: Of the places that I have been when I want

784
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:00,679
some of the other guys may be in we're camping

785
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,360
or whatever, their dinner report there, so you know, or

786
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:08,559
they like the one would the lady claims she hit one.

787
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,920
You know, we we done a lot of walking around

788
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,760
in the area where she was at. You know, there's

789
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,840
a lot of places a lot of times like that. Well,

790
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,000
you know, we're gonna go look the.

791
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,119
Speaker 2: Area over real good.

792
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,199
Speaker 1: Maybe you know nothing else, maybe nothing but drive around

793
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,000
for a while and in the roads and look, you know. Yeah,

794
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,039
but you know, if I just go to my normal

795
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,079
places where I go, I'm mainly just watching. I'm watching

796
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:34,960
for a movement, if I can see something. And then

797
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,119
I kind of got like one O on the ditch,

798
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,039
you know, where I know, where there's some soft ground,

799
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:42,000
maybe I'll see a track. You know, I do better

800
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:42,440
that way.

801
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: Now.

802
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: That lady that said she hit one, what was her story?

803
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: Her story was, she was coming in from work late

804
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,679
one night. She said something jumped out in front of

805
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,559
me and I hit it, you know, and she said,

806
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,239
I jumped up, and she said I seen it run

807
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,599
off and said it looked like a big foot and

808
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,119
her car was all torn up and everything. She actually

809
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:08,360
hit some kind of animal. She had hair and bud

810
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,519
all over her vehicle and it was messed up. She

811
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:14,280
ended up, you know, the insurns ended up fixing her vehicle,

812
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,119
and I think she made a police report and all

813
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,119
on it, but nothing was ever found of that.

814
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,079
Speaker 3: You know, did you go to the site.

815
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went there to where she claimed she hit

816
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,559
it at.

817
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't ever see any tracks or anything.

818
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,760
But this was probably a couple of weeks after I

819
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,559
mean you know, there was any kind of track, It

820
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:37,159
may have been washed away already.

821
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, it's already.

822
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: Disappeared with time, you know. And one of the guys

823
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,280
he got some mud samples and some hair samples and

824
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,679
we're going to do some DNA, and last I already

825
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:55,199
was looking for somebody to do DNA, and I'm just

826
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,000
giving the name of a couple of people I knew

827
00:39:58,039 --> 00:39:59,840
that was into that could help him out.

828
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever become of it.

829
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,559
Speaker 1: So I don't know if he's still has it, or

830
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:04,559
he set it up or what.

831
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: Did you see the hair as yourself? Oh yeah, what

832
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,440
did they look like?

833
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,599
Speaker 1: It was like caught up like in the like around

834
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,559
the edge of the fender and the headlight, you know,

835
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,719
in the in the bumper area in there. You know,

836
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,239
it was like it got caught in it and there

837
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,800
was some wrong hair, you know, but all any days,

838
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,760
it just it just looked like something the long hair,

839
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,199
you know, and you really don't know what it looks like.

840
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,920
You put it on the microscope, you know.

841
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you didn't look at it and say, oh,

842
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,480
well that's just deer hair or anything.

843
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it, you know, it wasn't dear hair.

844
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:41,159
Deer deer hair gonna be short hair, you know, and

845
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,679
you know it wasn't dear hair. And if it's hogg gary,

846
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,760
hoggary ain't going to be It's not gonna be like

847
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,880
anything else. It's gonna be coarser, but it's gonna be short.

848
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,119
Speaker 2: You know.

849
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,039
Speaker 1: So wasn't anything that I knew they would have hair

850
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,519
that long. Nothing that we know.

851
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: About you mentioned you were a truck driver. Did you

852
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,920
hear any stories while you were doing that?

853
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: When I drove trucks, you find out you're setting around

854
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,719
a truck stop, and truck drivers had always got all

855
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,000
kind of crazy stories. You're telling myself though I never

856
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,599
had expirits on the road. You're most of the time

857
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:20,039
I'd be out on the Interstate. That's you're driving out

858
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:21,639
on the Interstate and there are a lot of vehicles

859
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:24,880
on the air skating. There's not a lot around, Joe.

860
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: Did you ever hear any black dog stories?

861
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: Man? I heard all kinds of stuff I have.

862
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:34,159
Speaker 1: I heard all kinds of stories about different stuff, and

863
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,719
I think a lot of that. Those people just they're

864
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,719
just talking like you know, they even made a movie

865
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,639
one time, you know, called I forget what it was

866
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,360
Patrick Swayze was at it where he was a truck.

867
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: Driver, you know.

868
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that's what it was called, was

869
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,840
Black Dog or something like that.

870
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:51,159
Speaker 3: I think you're right, man.

871
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,639
Speaker 1: I heard all kinds of stories after that movie came out.

872
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,320
People are crazy, they did and wanted something to talk about. Yeah,

873
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,599
they get more. They got nobody to talk to, and

874
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:03,559
then when they do get around somebody to talk.

875
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: To, they can't shut up.

876
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 3: So who's this group of guys that you go running

877
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,119
around with? Are you like an actual bigfoot group?

878
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, kind of. It's uh yeah, it's losing in

879
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,719
a big Foot hunters the only ones that have auld

880
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,360
ever over of us that ever goes out camping and looking.

881
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,519
It's always kind of the same ones all the time.

882
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,559
We're all old. Anyway, we're not gonna get out there

883
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:33,320
and run through the woods and chase him down. In Nacatives,

884
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,440
they usually have the Nagatives Bigfoot Festival every year, and

885
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,719
they usually have speakers speaking there and people calling their

886
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,480
stories and all. And I've gone to the last two.

887
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,920
They might be going to do another one, you know

888
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:53,800
here here soon that I think you have a problem

889
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,519
getting a building a place that has enough capacity, you know,

890
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,119
because they're using the events center there and it bit

891
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,400
center has got like a couple of little rooms where

892
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,280
people can go in and speak, you know, and they

893
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,159
have seats. There's not a lot of seats in there,

894
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:11,880
and the nurse a couple of areas in the middle

895
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,760
it's open and that's usually where all the vendors is at.

896
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: So, I mean, they do pretty good at that festival,

897
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,000
don't they. It's been pretty big, but it seems to

898
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:22,920
be growing each year.

899
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's pretty big, and they don't really

900
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,480
have enough seats for everybody, you know, and and use

901
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:33,360
the building is packed, I know. The first time they've

902
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,800
done it, there was so many people showed up. There

903
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,760
was a line come out of the door and going

904
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,079
down the sidewalk down the street and people, you know,

905
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,519
they couldn't find any parking. Really, the parking lot was full,

906
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:49,719
and people was parking on the sides of the streets

907
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,559
and everything else, and they were standing in line for

908
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:55,719
long piers trying to get in and the line wasn't

909
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,159
even moving fast enough. You know, you get everybody in.

910
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 2: And then the next.

911
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: Year acted that they figured out a way to have

912
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:06,960
several lines they it all moved faster, though, but the

913
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,880
building couldn't hold all the people that wanted to come.

914
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: You know, so, I assume you're talking about Carl and Jeff.

915
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,079
I've had them on the show a couple of times.

916
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,679
I like those guys. I think that'll about do it.

917
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,280
I appreciate you coming on and sharing some stories and

918
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,400
talking about your own experiences.

919
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:29,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, call me anytime. I'm sure I'll have some more

920
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:30,320
stories to tell with they.

921
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: If you've had a run in with Bigfoot or something

922
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,800
else you can't explain you'd like to share your story

923
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,039
on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroad at gmail

924
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:43,239
dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You

925
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,039
can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything

926
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:52,159
you need all in one place. And until next time,

927
00:44:52,199 --> 00:45:19,960
remember there's something in the woods.

928
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: U