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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app. It is August second. Shannon's out today.

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<v Speaker 1>Back on Monday. A lot to get through today, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading through a couple of different descriptions of

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<v Speaker 1>the incredible deal to get Evan Gershkevich and three other

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<v Speaker 1>Americans or American interests out of Russia and the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>other people that were involved in this massive, massive prisoner swap.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll go through some of the details about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Gavin Newsom, governor of the state of California, is now

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<v Speaker 1>asking that Harvey Weinstein be brought back here to California.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let them die in New York. That kind of

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<v Speaker 1>seems like what's going to happen. Wall Street's not having

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<v Speaker 1>a great day. The dal Jones industrial average was down

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<v Speaker 1>more than nine hundred points earlier. Next hour, we'll give

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<v Speaker 1>it a little bit of time to breathe and then

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what's going on on Wall Street, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of fun things. Number One, how dogs help

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<v Speaker 1>I feel healthier, or I'm supposed to. Also, what's going

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<v Speaker 1>the airline seats. We'll be doing Terror in the Skies

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later since it's Friday. Also, we do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun stuff here on KFI, including the

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<v Speaker 1>nine news Nuggets you need to know at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of our show. Also what you Learned segment, so you

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<v Speaker 1>the show today.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when it became real. We flew over Ireland, then

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<v Speaker 3>Canada and into America, and then I knew I was home,

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<v Speaker 3>looking forward to seeing my family down here and just

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<v Speaker 3>recuperating from five year, seven months and five days of

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<v Speaker 3>just absolute nonsense by the Russian government.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that is a.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Wheeland, former marine who was arrested a few years

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<v Speaker 1>ago on a actually was a pleasure trip. He was

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<v Speaker 1>actually in Russia to help a friend to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a friend's wedding, but to also help that friend's family

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<v Speaker 1>kind of negotiate their way through Russia, a place that

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<v Speaker 1>he had been many times. Of course, Evan Gershkovich, the

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal reporter, was the biggest name supposedly of

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<v Speaker 1>the Americans that were released in this deal that came

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<v Speaker 1>together yesterday. But as you look at what happened, this

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<v Speaker 1>was an amazing amount of international foreign relations, diplomacy, balancing Act,

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<v Speaker 1>magic Act in some cases, and all of it was

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<v Speaker 1>all of it was very very well put together. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to like the whatever, you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a political statement one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>This was an incredibly well put together plan that even

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<v Speaker 1>up to the very end, until the plane carrying Americans

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<v Speaker 1>much down in Anchor A, Turkey yesterday, there was still

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<v Speaker 1>a chance that this thing was going to go sideways.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, there is some criticism of the kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>people that we release in order to get back journalists,

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<v Speaker 1>basketball players, marines on vacation, that kind of thing. We

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<v Speaker 1>give back bad guys, We give back actual spies, weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>weapons dealers, and murderers. So all of that goes into

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<v Speaker 1>this story about how this prisoner swap, the largest, the

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<v Speaker 1>most impactful prisoner swap we've seen since the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 1>and how all of it came together kind of by

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<v Speaker 1>the seat of everybody's pants.

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<v Speaker 2>Evan Gershkevich was a reporter.

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<v Speaker 1>He was talking about how he, in fact, he was

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<v Speaker 1>working on a story specifically about how Vladimir Putin had

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<v Speaker 1>taken on a policy of stealing, slash, kidnapping foreigners, most

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<v Speaker 1>of them Americans or Western you know, citizens of Western countries,

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<v Speaker 1>capturing them and then using them as pawns, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>drumming up some fake espionag charges and then using them

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<v Speaker 1>as pawns to try to deal with these other countries

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<v Speaker 1>and get his favorite bad guys out of those other

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<v Speaker 1>countries' prisons. He goes to a restaurant, does Evan Gershkevich

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<v Speaker 1>actually to meet one of his contacts, and is picked up.

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<v Speaker 1>And again it's because he was putting pressure on and

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<v Speaker 1>asking questions about Vladimir Putin and his policy of kidnapping foreigners.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Wall Street Journal, the reporters that work with,

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<v Speaker 1>the editors that work with Evan Gershkovich realized that specific

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<v Speaker 1>day that they couldn't find him, and he wasn't responding

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<v Speaker 1>to his phone. It was he wasn't responding to any messages,

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<v Speaker 1>and his phone stopped pinging, his location was off, and

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<v Speaker 1>they knew something was wrong. So they contacted his mother,

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<v Speaker 1>Evan Gershkovitch's mother, Ella, and that was just a year

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<v Speaker 1>or so ago, and they told him sorry. They told

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<v Speaker 1>Gershkovich had become basically the character in the owned the

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<v Speaker 1>story that he was writing about Vladimir Putin's kidnapping of foreigners.

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<v Speaker 1>While this happened, the Americans had been at least in

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about getting Paul Wheelan back from Russia in exchange

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<v Speaker 1>for somebody. And one of the things that they were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do was wrap up the Alexi Navalney imprisonment

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<v Speaker 1>in all of this and work a deal where they

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<v Speaker 1>could get Paul Wheelan, they could get Alexi Navalny, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans would give up the bad that we've all

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<v Speaker 1>heard about, this assassin that killed somebody in Berlin, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans were dead set against this. Well, a wrench

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<v Speaker 1>gets thrown into that in February, when Alexi Navolny died

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<v Speaker 1>before that, Jake Sullivan, the National Security Advisor, had been

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<v Speaker 1>see if in fact they could work out a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And the White House was working to see if Russia

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<v Speaker 1>would accept a deal that would bundle a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>the Russians that we have here in America. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>all non violent charges, non espionage and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is Russia doesn't care about them. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>care about their citizens the way we do. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>care about somebody who gets caught on some financial crimes

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<v Speaker 1>thing here in the United States and we put him

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<v Speaker 1>in jail through the American legal system. They just don't

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<v Speaker 1>give a writ. So they wanted the big guy. They

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<v Speaker 1>wanted the guy out of Germany. In November, this is

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<v Speaker 1>November of last year, Washington orders offers the Kremlin four

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<v Speaker 1>undercover operatives for military and foreign intelligence agencies that were

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<v Speaker 1>held in Europe. They're called illegals, and they create you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this false identity. These are the ones that the movies

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<v Speaker 1>are made out of. There's a third, a Russian military

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence officer using the identity of a Brazilian academic, and

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<v Speaker 1>Poland had arrested a fourth born in Moscow Spanish passport

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<v Speaker 1>on espionage charges near the Ukrainian border. So all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things, all of these characters are playing a part

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<v Speaker 1>in this. But there is a there's a very important

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<v Speaker 1>press conference if Vladimir Putin gives and there's a comment

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<v Speaker 1>that he made in that press conference right before the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the year, which was clearly a message to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and to Western countries about exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>deal he would be willing to make. We've been telling

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<v Speaker 1>you the story about what happened to get specifically to

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<v Speaker 1>get the prisoners back. There's a massive prisoner swamp that

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<v Speaker 1>involved twenty four different people, several different countries, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get back to that here in just a second. For

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<v Speaker 1>the third time in the last four seasons, Mike Trout

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<v Speaker 1>he's not going to play a full season of baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to miss the rest of this season. They

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<v Speaker 1>said there was a second meniscus tair of his left knee.

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<v Speaker 1>His rehab assignment in Triple A lasted two innings. He

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<v Speaker 1>came back to Southern California for evaluation after he had

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<v Speaker 1>some discomfort in his knee. The MRI came back clean,

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<v Speaker 1>trout cid. He expected a restart of his rehab process,

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<v Speaker 1>and then his leg hurt really really bad, so they

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<v Speaker 1>said there's another one that's going to have to another

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<v Speaker 1>meniscus tear that's going to have to be surgically repaired.

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<v Speaker 1>Day seven of the Olympic Games, we're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five sets of metals handed out today, knockout stage.

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<v Speaker 1>The men's soccer tournament is underway, France taking on Argentina

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<v Speaker 1>and a massive quarterfinal US trailing Morocco. We saw of swimming.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll do a lot of track and field today. There's

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<v Speaker 1>some three on three basketball and swimming, all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So this prisoner swamp, in fact, I would Jacob, would

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<v Speaker 1>you say, this is kind of a breakdown of everything

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<v Speaker 1>that we're doing, this prisoner swamp, everything that we've known

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely Okay, then hit the button.

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<v Speaker 4>So why doesn't somebody tell me what they think.

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<v Speaker 2>Is going on? Those can be hard explain this to

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<v Speaker 2>me like I'm a two year old. Okay, you need

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<v Speaker 2>a breakdown with Gary and Shannon. All right, So you

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<v Speaker 2>remember the name Alexi Navalney.

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<v Speaker 1>He was this British dissident, sorry, a Russian dissident who

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<v Speaker 1>had unveiled a lot of stuff about Vladimir Putin, how

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<v Speaker 1>he was an absolute maniacal tyrant who was hoarding money.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the key pieces of what made Alexi Navoalney

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<v Speaker 1>as famous and as hated by Putin as he was

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<v Speaker 1>is he put together a video that showed Vladimir Putin

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<v Speaker 1>one point two billion dollar Black Sea mansion, and Putin

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<v Speaker 1>hated this guy, so he put him in prison. There

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<v Speaker 1>were discussions to get alexiing Navalney out of prison, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least pressure internationally to do so, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that they were talking about was trading this

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<v Speaker 1>Vadim Kasakov, who is literally a Russian hit man who

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<v Speaker 1>had killed a guy in Berlin in a park in

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<v Speaker 1>broad daylight. The Germans captured him, the Germans put him

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<v Speaker 1>in prison for the rest of his life, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were discussions about if the Germans were able to give

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<v Speaker 1>up this hitman, maybe Alexi Navalney gets out of prison.

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<v Speaker 1>While that is all going on, in the background, Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Gershkevich last March gets picked up by the Russian FSB

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in jail. They accused him of being of being

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<v Speaker 1>a spy. And it's all because he was putting similar

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<v Speaker 1>pressure on Vladimir Putin. In fact, he was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>and working on stories about Vladimir Putin and his let's

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<v Speaker 1>see his propensity to kidnap foreigners and hold them hostage.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically. Now, again, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of this is a very weird thing because the United

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<v Speaker 1>States has been working with Germany trying to pressure or

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<v Speaker 1>entice Germany to give up this Russian hitman so that

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<v Speaker 1>they can get some of their prisoners back. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>January of this year, Evan Gershkovitch's mom flew to the

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<v Speaker 1>World Economic Forum in Davos to meet with Oloff with

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<v Speaker 1>a guy with Oloff Schultz's chief of staff, Olof Schultz

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<v Speaker 1>being the German Chancellor, to try to convince him and say, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the key to getting my son out of jail.

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<v Speaker 1>The key is this Russian hitman. In February, just this year,

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker Carlson sits down with Vladimir Putin and brings up

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<v Speaker 1>the issue of Evan Gershkovitch. And near the end of

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation that he had with Vladimir Putin, Tucker Carlson says,

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<v Speaker 1>Evan Gershkevich is not a spy, clearly, he's just a

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<v Speaker 1>kid and he's just being held hostage. Maybe maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bad look for you to hold this reporter in

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<v Speaker 1>an attempt to get a hit man, convicted murderer out

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<v Speaker 1>of jail in Germany and putin leans in. If you

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<v Speaker 1>saw this interview and he said what he wants in

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<v Speaker 1>return is a person serving a sentence in an allied

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<v Speaker 1>country of the US, a very very clear message because

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<v Speaker 1>remember in December he had done the same thing. He

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<v Speaker 1>This is an un you can bet not on the agenda,

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<v Speaker 1>in exchange for Vadim Maxic kassik Kov or whatever's name

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Intelligence Service opened its own investigation, introducing new stipulations. Okay, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>if we are going to release Vadim Kasakov, then Germany

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<v Speaker 1>gets as many prisoners back as possible as possible. Smash

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<v Speaker 1>cut to July. President Biden sends a letter to Oloff

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<v Speaker 1>Schulz a request that this be finally done, where Germany

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with Slovenia saying, if you can put together

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<v Speaker 1>people to Russia, this whole thing may come together.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually. They were able to pull.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the strings, dozens and dozens of lear jets

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<v Speaker 1>their respective places. And even yesterday when I was listening

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is real or not. Obviously, the

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<v Speaker 1>a done deal. But the amazing amount of work that

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<v Speaker 1>of DC is that Vice President Harris's campaign has announced

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<v Speaker 1>raising three hundred and ten million dollars last month, considering

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<v Speaker 1>The Democratic National Committee the affiliated entities far outpaced former

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump's campaign, but Trump's campaign still brought in one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty nine million for the month of July,

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<v Speaker 1>which has nothing to sneeze at. So the vice president

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President's campaign says it goes into August with three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy seven million on hand. That's above the

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<v Speaker 1>three twenty seven that is for Trump's team. Several suspects

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<v Speaker 1>fatal stabbing of three kids in Northwest England. Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>there Caro Starmer has condemned the unrest, says it's far

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<v Speaker 2>He's found to end in Mayhem, says.

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<v Speaker 1>The police across the UK will be given more resources

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of more than thirty two hundred people arrested on

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<v Speaker 1>college campuses over the spring during those pro Palestinian tent encampments,

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<v Speaker 1>many of the students have already seen those charges dismissed,

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<v Speaker 2>This is a new.

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<v Speaker 1>Analysis from the Associated Press. We're talking about this very

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<v Speaker 1>very detailed prisoner swap that led to this probably the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest since the Cold War deal to return Russian prisoners

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<v Speaker 1>to Russia and hostages arguably back to the countries that

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<v Speaker 1>from who whence they came? Four Americans came back last night.

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<v Speaker 1>There were eight Russians that made their way back into Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>greeted by Vladimir Putin in Moscow, and the biggest one

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of name recognition, the biggest Russian was Vadim Kazakhov.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is a Russian hit man, former intelligence officer

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<v Speaker 1>who was convicted of murdering a guy in a park

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<v Speaker 1>in Berlin. This he was found guilty of murder back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one in Germany. They said that he

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<v Speaker 1>had committed an act of state terrorism on behalf of Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>carrying out this very public execution to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Kremlin's opponents. And the murder itself was

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<v Speaker 1>of a guy named Zeleem Khan kang Goshvili. They said

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<v Speaker 1>was an Islamist extremist who was targeting Russian security forces. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason they know it was Vadim Krazakov, among others,

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<v Speaker 1>is his tattoo on his left shoulder. You could see

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<v Speaker 1>a tattoo of a crowned panther skull encircled by wings.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a very specific tattoo that links him, I

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<v Speaker 1>use that word importantly links him to the special force

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<v Speaker 1>of Russia's Interior Ministry called the Lynx. It's been deployed

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<v Speaker 1>to fight terrorism in other places around the world and

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<v Speaker 1>the Caucuses. And his right forearm also has a tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>of a snake poised to strike.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This Vadim Krazakov has been doing all kinds of work

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<v Speaker 1>for Vladimir Putin, and they were both former officers in

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest spy agency there in Russia, the FSB.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably where they met.

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<v Speaker 1>Asakov may have even been a member of the personal

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<v Speaker 1>security detail for Vladimir Putin. Family members say that he

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<v Speaker 1>talked about having shot target practice with Vladimir Putin at

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<v Speaker 1>an FSB shooting range. German prosecutors said that Krasokov was

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<v Speaker 1>probably working with the FSB department that specializes in wet

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<v Speaker 1>operations abroad when he pulled this murder back in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a veteran of the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 1>He served in an Interior Ministry special forces unit and

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<v Speaker 1>an elite FSB anti terrorism squad. German prosecutor said that

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<v Speaker 1>he was involved in killings inside Russia. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>Russian businessman back in twenty thirteen who was killed. Another

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<v Speaker 1>one would have been in the year two thousand, a

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<v Speaker 1>former advisor to Putin who got into an argument with Vladimir.

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<v Speaker 1>He was killed by a guy who approached on a

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<v Speaker 2>Oh remember that shooting in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Also a guy who rode up on a bicycle shot

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<v Speaker 1>the guy in Germany was killed by a guy on

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<v Speaker 1>a bike riding up shot point blank. Throughout the entire investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>Vadim Krazykov claimed that he was there as a tourist.

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<v Speaker 1>He was there because he was having an affair with

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<v Speaker 1>a married woman, and he said his name was Vadim Sokolov.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, until yesterday the Russian government also said that

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<v Speaker 1>he was just some tourist. It wasn't until yesterday that

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<v Speaker 1>they admitted that he was an FSB agent, that he

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<v Speaker 1>that he was in fact Putin's buddy. They got who

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted, and we got an important journalist back, among others.

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<v Speaker 1>The politics of this thing now are playing out. Was

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<v Speaker 1>this a last minute thing before President and rides off

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<v Speaker 1>into the sunset? Was there something to fear of whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not President Trump is going to be back in office.

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<v Speaker 1>The Kremlin, like I said, had acknowledged for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time that some of the Russians that were held in

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<v Speaker 1>the West were in fact spies. Of course, families of

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<v Speaker 1>free dissidents meanwhile express their joy at the surprise release.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I talked about Evan Gershkevich's mother, Ella. She

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<v Speaker 1>was called to the White House and was told nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>just that she was going to be meeting with the president.

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<v Speaker 1>And she told the Wall Street Journal, well, usually they

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<v Speaker 1>don't ask you to meet the president if it's bad news.

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<v Speaker 1>So President Vladimir Putin hugged each of the eight Russian

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<v Speaker 1>retorneys at at Moscow Airport praised them with state awards.

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<v Speaker 1>Among them was that Vadim Krazykov that I've been mentioning,

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<v Speaker 1>this Russian assassin who was serving a life sentence in

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<v Speaker 1>Germany for the twenty nineteen killing of a former Chechen

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<v Speaker 1>fighter in a park in Berlin. Now there was some

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<v Speaker 1>criticism about that kind of a deal, the kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>people that we give back to Russia in order to

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<v Speaker 1>get something like a journalist out of captivity. Jake Sullivan

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<v Speaker 5>These are hard decisions, As the President has said, you

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<v Speaker 5>have to think hard about who you release in a

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<v Speaker 5>prisoner exchange. That's been true for decades. But at the

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<v Speaker 5>end of the day, the President looked at this deal

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<v Speaker 5>and he said, what we are getting the value of

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<v Speaker 5>human life, the value of putting families back together. The

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<v Speaker 5>value of standing up for freedom of the press far

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<v Speaker 5>exceeds what we are giving up by sending a few

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's another undercurrent in all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously I mentioned when I was talking about the breakdown

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<v Speaker 1>of when each of these conversations was taking place. The

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<v Speaker 1>day that President Biden dropped out of the presidential race,

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<v Speaker 1>he had been on the phone with the leader of

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<v Speaker 1>Slovenia to try to get them to buy into this deal,

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<v Speaker 1>because they became an important piece in this gigantic trade deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are questions about whether this is now a

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<v Speaker 1>the edge? Is there something in there where he's got

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to lose, he's not up for reelection. Can he

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<v Speaker 6>I still get it done, even though I was to

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<v Speaker 6>seeing in a second to not I'm stuck with me

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<v Speaker 6>as president for a while. There's no way out. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>they got me for at least another one hundred or

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<v Speaker 2>So that did not even do.

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<v Speaker 6>With that It had to do with the opportunity of

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<v Speaker 6>they'll step up now.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also part of that undercurrent is do foreign

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<v Speaker 1>allies of ours have some concern about whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is going to be elected president and if

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<v Speaker 1>that would have impacted anything going forward, would Russia have

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<v Speaker 1>been more reluctant to give up the prisoners that they have,

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<v Speaker 1>or would our allies be more reluctant to get involved

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<v Speaker 1>in a deal like that. Ohio Representative Warren Davidson, Republican

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<v Speaker 1>on the Foreign Affairs Committee in the House, said maybe

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<v Speaker 7>The expectation around the world that Donald Trump may well

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<v Speaker 7>be the next president is resulting in shuffling in foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 7>If you look at NATO countries, they're trying to insulate

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<v Speaker 7>their policies in Ukraine from the Trump administration. So world

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<v Speaker 7>leaders are reacting to the possibility, hopefully the probability that

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<v Speaker 7>don't know, but I am glad that these prisoners are free.

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<v Speaker 1>John Kirby, White House spokesperson International Security Council had said,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no evidence that anybody was afraid of, concerned with,

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<v Speaker 1>or even talking about former and Trump when these deals

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<v Speaker 4>There's absolutely zero evidence at all that this deal was

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<v Speaker 4>be the next president. This deal was brought about because

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<v Speaker 4>the president had President Biden had alliances and partnerships and

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<v Speaker 4>trust he could build on, particularly with the German Chancellor.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so as great as this deal is, we get

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<v Speaker 1>for severe spinal pain. And again, like we saw with

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<v Speaker 1>the Britney Grinder case, where that amount of the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of hash oil that she had usually would result in

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<v Speaker 1>a two week prison sentence and instead she got nine

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<v Speaker 1>years in this case, very similar. Mark Fogel had medical

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<v Speaker 1>marijuana in his luggage and was sentenced to fourteen years

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<v Speaker 1>in prison on drug charges. Still in prison on a

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<v Speaker 1>penal colony, and fogel Mark's sister said, the last thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six hours have been gut wrenching. We really hoped that

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to get Mark on that plane.

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<v Speaker 2>She said.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark called me yesterday morning, and when I realized that

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<v Speaker 1>he was in Rabinsk, I knew that things were not

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<v Speaker 1>going well because he should have been gone, She said.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a roller coaster.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday, Jake Sullivan described Mark Fogel as wrongfully detained

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time at this White House press briefing

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<v Speaker 1>and said that they are still actively working to get

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<v Speaker 1>his release from Russia. Let's not forget there are also

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<v Speaker 1>Americans currently held in Gaza. There are plenty of hostages,

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<v Speaker 1>American hostages, prisoners that are still being held in other places.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not the be all end all, although it

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge deal, it's not the end of these

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<v Speaker 1>hostage negotiations all right. Up next, the Olympics still setting

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<v Speaker 1>people's minds on fire. What's going on with women's boxing.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll try to get to the bottom of it. Yes, Jacob,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be another Gary and Shannon Show breakdown

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