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Speaker 1: right here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: This is Rosemary Ellen Guiley and you're listening to Unknown

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Speaker 3: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts

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Speaker 3: and spirits wander through our physical dimension. Unknown creatures lurk

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Speaker 3: in the shadows, and strange lights and crafts dominate our skies.

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Speaker 3: Modern science refuses to acknowledge their existence. Yeah, credible eyewitnesses

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Speaker 3: are convinced these things are real, so it's up to

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Speaker 3: individual researchers to search for the truth. Welcome to Unknown

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Speaker 3: Origins Radio, and good evening everybody.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our final edition of Unknown Origins Radio where

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Speaker 1: we talk about everything having to do with the strange

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Speaker 1: and paranormal. And yes, you heard right, final because this

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Speaker 1: Friday is you know, the Mayan Apocalypse, so you know

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Speaker 1: the world's gonna end. That's it, We're done. How about that? Okay,

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Speaker 1: now we still got to shoot it.

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Speaker 4: I say that sucks shopping, But then again.

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Speaker 1: Well as I said that, I'm your host, Mark Johnson,

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Speaker 1: and of course we have Carrie, Anne and Lauren, so

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Speaker 1: you know, are you all worried about our final Our

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Speaker 5: No, because I'm actually Christmas shopping, or I would be

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Speaker 5: Bob exactly.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. It says like some of those posts

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Speaker 1: for all those you who do believe that the Mayan

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Speaker 4: Of it for you. Is there anybody who really believes that?

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Speaker 4: Though I haven't seen on any anything on Facebook that

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Speaker 4: I mean, everybody's kind of fluffing it up, joking about it.

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Speaker 1: And you know it all started, if I if I

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the Mayan so but hey,

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Speaker 1: If the mind's are right, and this is the last

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Speaker 2: So of course everybody was very interested, and they got

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Speaker 2: but I don't want to public get involved. Now, I

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Speaker 2: You didn't go public until we did the Unsold Mystery

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Speaker 2: Show season premiere from a fire company that had been

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Speaker 2: to look for this possible downed aircraft. So he remember

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Speaker 2: he said they weren't out very long when they got

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Speaker 2: And they're all standing there within a few feet front

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Speaker 2: and again it's almost getting dark, and he goes to

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Speaker 2: Jim had taken us to and Bill we falled Bill

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And so anyhow, it's over the years, I've hundreds of

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Speaker 1: Now, Now, the witness that you mentioned that saw the object,

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Speaker 2: Actually yeah, he actually said it went out, went out,

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Speaker 2: kind of hasn't started moving back towards Kecksburg. But you know,

435
00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: for a lot of people who saw this thing coming in,

436
00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 2: for what we know as this thing is now what

437
00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: we now know, what we learned is a lot more

438
00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: than we knew initially at the time, because now what

439
00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: we know is from so many witnesses we talked to.

440
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,799
Speaker 2: This thing came in from the greater Pittsburgh area, moved

441
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,839
Speaker 2: roughly southeast towards West Morren County, towards greens whatever Greensburg

442
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,079
Speaker 2: moved out roughly towards Rout thirty east, but then it

443
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: made a turn to the south, and it began to

444
00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: head down through these little villages through like Norville and

445
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: Mammoth and around pleasant Unity, Marguerite, and then it started

446
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: going out towards the mountains of Laurelville, and other people

447
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 2: around there said the thing came back towards Catsburg, turned

448
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,079
Speaker 2: again and went down into the ravine.

449
00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: So which right away that rules out any type of

450
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,559
Speaker 1: meteorite coming down because meteors don't change direction attraction.

451
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: Along its path before it fell. And when it came down,

452
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,079
Speaker 2: it didn't come down at a high rate of speed

453
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Speaker 2: like a re entry of spates debris or a media

454
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Speaker 2: coming in. It came in relatively slowly, everybody said. And

455
00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: then moments after it fell, there's this calm of dust

456
00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: and blue smoke. It comes up and it disappears very quickly,

457
00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: disappears very quickly. And what we now know is after

458
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: so many years, that children and other independent people from

459
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Speaker 2: around that area went down into the woods ra after

460
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: it fell and came across this object. And you know,

461
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: so we now know that various people did get down

462
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,079
Speaker 2: in there and saw this thing before the military came in.

463
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 2: According off the area, and apparently from all indications, it

464
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,839
Speaker 2: took it out of there about one o'clock in the morning.

465
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Speaker 2: And in the summer of nineteen ninety, before the Unsolved

466
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Speaker 2: Mystery show was aired, a man contacted me and I

467
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:02,759
Speaker 2: was able to check his background out and he said, look,

468
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: I was a part of the Air Force security team.

469
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: They guarded the object from Pennsylvania when it came in

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Speaker 2: to Lockborn Air Force Base outside of Columbus, Ohio during

471
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Speaker 2: the early morning hours of December the tenth the next morning,

472
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Speaker 2: and he said they were notified this thing had been

473
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,839
Speaker 2: recovered that they were bringing into Lockborn Air Force Base.

474
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: He said they brought it in in an entrance they

475
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Speaker 2: generally don't use, which another witness was able to verify

476
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,759
Speaker 2: to us as well. They backed it into a hangar,

477
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: and he said the security at the base was hired

478
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: than when President Kennedy had been there before that. He

479
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: said they set up a big security area around that hangar.

480
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: They were given a shoot secure order to anybody approached

481
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,599
Speaker 2: that anger without the proper authority. But he said he

482
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,079
Speaker 2: didn't stay on that team very long, but he heard

483
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,279
Speaker 2: it didn't stay at the base had long and it

484
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: continued on to write Patterson Air Force Base. And then

485
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,319
Speaker 2: we had other witnesses independently who contacted us who taught

486
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,759
Speaker 2: us exactly we're building that thing ended up at a

487
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:04,559
Speaker 2: right Patterson Air Force Base that today, of course, we

488
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Wow, well, Stan, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop you right

490
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,319
Speaker 1: there for now. We have to go take a break.

491
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,519
Speaker 1: But when we come back, we're gonna be talking more

492
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: with Stan Gordon about the Kexburg UFO incident and other

493
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:19,519
Speaker 1: incidents uh that happening around in Pennsylvania. So don't go away.

494
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back here on KGRA dB the Global

495
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Speaker 1: Radio Alliance. We'll be right back and welcome back everybody

496
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Speaker 1: to Unknown Origins Radio. Here on the Global Radio Alliance.

497
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,759
Speaker 1: I'm Mark Johnson along with Kirie and Versace and Lauren

498
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: de Pento, and we're talking with Stan Gordon, who is

499
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: a UFO researcher in Pennsylvania and a Bigfoot researcher as well,

500
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,519
Speaker 1: and we're going to kind of cover the whole gamut tonight.

501
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: But we before we went to break, we were talking

502
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: about the Kesburg UFO incident. And Stan You were mentioning

503
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,519
Speaker 1: about how the report seemed to be that the UFO,

504
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: after it was recovered by the US military, was transported

505
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: off to Wright Patterson Air Force Base, never to be

506
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: seen again. Is there any other information about what happened

507
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:04,559
Speaker 1: after that?

508
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: Now we know exactly what building was taken to. It

509
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: wasn't the so called famous Hangar eighteen. It was another

510
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,319
Speaker 2: warehouse building. But where again that today we have no idea,

511
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: But I continue to get some input from different people

512
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,279
Speaker 2: over the years, even recent years, of others who were involved.

513
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: You don't remember a lot of people who were involved

514
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: back in those days. And we're out there that night.

515
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: What I may not have mentioned to you was the fact,

516
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,319
Speaker 2: you know, this was a big news story that night,

517
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: and it's being broadcast on TV and radio stations all

518
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: over the Pittsburgh area. So Pittsburgh's sall thirty thirty five

519
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: forty miles from there into Kexsburg. So as this report's

520
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,519
Speaker 2: coming out, hundreds of people began to descend on this

521
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,759
Speaker 2: little farming community from all over western Pennsylvania. And people

522
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:58,759
Speaker 2: were trying to get down in the woods to see

523
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,599
Speaker 2: what this thing was, and of course are being stopped

524
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: by the authorities locally, they can't get down to the area.

525
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: Not only did you have a lot of civilians, but

526
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: he had news reporters from all over the Pittsburgh Gary

527
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,279
Speaker 2: on the scene themselves from the Pittsburgh radio and TV

528
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,759
Speaker 2: and newspapers, and like Bob Gaddy, who was a reporter

529
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: from the local Tribute Review. He wanted to get down

530
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: into the woods, was prevented from doing so by the authorities.

531
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Speaker 2: And when he said, what ify godown, he said, he'll

532
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: be arrested. What if you try to get down He'll

533
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: be arrested. And so there was a huge amount of

534
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: interest and response that night. And you know, there's so

535
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,839
Speaker 2: much more of the story, and there's so many mysterious

536
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,839
Speaker 2: little aspects to it, intriguing little aspects to it, and

537
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:45,759
Speaker 2: maybe so night we can just really focus on that case.

538
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: But you know, we continue to keep an open mind

539
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: as to the origin of the object. I mean, you've

540
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: got to remember this is the early days of the

541
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: space program. It seeks relatively large. This thing is one

542
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: solid piece of metal with no riven marks in the

543
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: world marks and the seams it's making turn along its

544
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:04,839
Speaker 2: path and it makes a slow descent and there's no

545
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: parachutes and whatever this thing was, whatever it was, apparently

546
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: it was of much interest for the military to respond

547
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: the way they did. They come out that of old

548
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: farming community, and many people have gone on public record,

549
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: and there's many many others whose statements I have, who

550
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: have never gone public. And I start to bring up

551
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: the fact that back in those days, a lot of

552
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: the witnesses were children and teenagers, and these people grew

553
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: up to be very reputable people, know, from police officers

554
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: to school teachers, the scientists, people on law, very reputable

555
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,279
Speaker 2: people who had no reason to make up their stories.

556
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: And in fact, the high percentage of people I've interviewed

557
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,799
Speaker 2: even today, I've never gone public, but a lot of

558
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:54,599
Speaker 2: people have. And it's very unfortunate that many, many of

559
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,599
Speaker 2: the key witnesses have now passed away. The last Textsburgh

560
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: firem who was involved with the operation that night, Bob Bitner,

561
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: passed away in recent weeks as well. And the Kexbrook

562
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: fireman had some of your own personnel who were on

563
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: the scene and helping to close roads off on direct

564
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,039
Speaker 2: traff that night. But all those fellows now are gone,

565
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: and so it's a very very intriguing story, and there's

566
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: so much more to it than and he was have

567
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: all the answers for and hopefully Sunday we'll know more.

568
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: What do you In comparison with the Roswell crash, Roswell

569
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,319
Speaker 1: started off very small. In fact, it never really got

570
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:40,279
Speaker 1: its media legs until later years. I mean, obviously, the

571
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,039
Speaker 1: Air Force prematurely released the press release saying that they

572
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,799
Speaker 1: had a downcraft. Then they come back with the cover

573
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: story saying it was a weather balloon, you know, which

574
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: was a huge faux pa that they've never recovered from

575
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: despite all of their claims. And what was the latest

576
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:59,319
Speaker 1: Now they're saying there was crash test dummies where the

577
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:03,119
Speaker 1: alien But you know, Roswell is the one thing that's

578
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,599
Speaker 1: that's really ingrained in American culture. But it sounds like

579
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:12,519
Speaker 1: the Kechsburg UFO actually had more witnesses to the craft

580
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: coming down, and there was more public response and public

581
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: witnesses on the scene before the military took control. I'm

582
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: just kind of curious why if you talk to a

583
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,759
Speaker 1: lot of people you mentioned Kecksburg, they look at you

584
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,559
Speaker 1: kind of funny, they talked Roswell, then they automatically know

585
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:30,759
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. It was wondering why you think

586
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:34,519
Speaker 1: maybe it hasn't captured the public imagination as much as

587
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: Rowe Roswell Crash.

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Speaker 2: Well, in this area it's very well known, I mean

589
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. In this area, it's very well known. I

590
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: mean a lot of the newspapers around the country, the

591
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: culture Roswell of the East. It has been on you know,

592
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: we've done a number of shows for History and Discovery

593
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Channel and the Sci Fi Channel and you know, the

594
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,359
Speaker 2: Unsolved Mysteries and many other shows. There's a lot of

595
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: natural international interests on the case, and it's getting to

596
00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: be very very well known out there. But yes, it's

597
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,079
Speaker 2: not nearly as well known as Roswell.

598
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,039
Speaker 1: Now, you've mentioned when we first started the show that

599
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,279
Speaker 1: you were working on a lot of more recent UFO cases.

600
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could talk about those.

601
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,519
Speaker 2: Well, there's been sighting is going on all year in Pennsylvania.

602
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,359
Speaker 2: And my recommendation me for people done on my website

603
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: and they can read a lot of the reports are

604
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: on the website which they can get a Stan Gordon

605
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,319
Speaker 2: dot info I NFO and don't be able to look

606
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,839
Speaker 2: an theer news and events or under UFO category and

607
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: find a lot of reports and also under special reports,

608
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,279
Speaker 2: and there's been a lot of study, but even this

609
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: past November has been unusually active with some very very

610
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:41,599
Speaker 2: good reports. And of course, one thing I'll let me

611
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: tell you right from the start of the literally thousands

612
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,279
Speaker 2: of cases I've investigator over the years, I've been doing

613
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:49,359
Speaker 2: this now for over fifty three years. Believe it or not,

614
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: I have never seen a UFO or a big foot myself.

615
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,599
Speaker 2: I've seen evidence we've obtained from various locations and incidents,

616
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,799
Speaker 2: but I've never personally seen one. Talked to thousands of

617
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: people of very credible people who have I believe without

618
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:05,759
Speaker 2: any doubt that there are things out there we've don't

619
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: have the answers for. But I will also say that

620
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: the high percentage of incidents over the is when you

621
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: properly investigate them, many are determined to be the national

622
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: or man made origin. And that comes in all types

623
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: of paranormal phenomena. I mean, I was involved in lawn

624
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: the haunting activities cases back in the sixties and the seventies.

625
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,599
Speaker 2: I was getting caught out to investigate different things, and again,

626
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: a lot of things are explainable, but there are some

627
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,079
Speaker 2: cases you cannot easually dismiss. And this goes on year

628
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,799
Speaker 2: after year. But I'll give you some example November sixteenth.

629
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,319
Speaker 2: We're still looking into case from November sixteenth of this year.

630
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: It was a real intriguing day. Apparently there were multiple

631
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: reports from both western and eastern parts of Pennsylvania of

632
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,039
Speaker 2: various type of UFO activity and came into different sources.

633
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: We are actually looking into what we were examining two

634
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,039
Speaker 2: video footages we have right now from two different sources,

635
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: and other still pictures concerning some of these events of

636
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: November sixteenth. But there were various types of objects reported.

637
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,639
Speaker 2: Some people up in western PA reporting like a series

638
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: of three luminous objects and close formation are joined doing

639
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: the close triangular formation. But the more interesting reports are

640
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: then in eastern Pennsylvania, and this is mainly between five

641
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: and six o'clock in the afternoon, and there were sightings

642
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:35,119
Speaker 2: near the Pennsylvania Turnpike where apparently different people saw this

643
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: formation of three boomerang shaped objects relatively low in the sky,

644
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 2: tight formation only three white non blinking lights at the

645
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,519
Speaker 2: bottom and said as some interesting reports. And we're working

646
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:50,559
Speaker 2: on trying to track down and figure out what these

647
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: things were, And so we're still in the analytical aspects

648
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:58,159
Speaker 2: of this, and we have a lot of sources we're

649
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: in contact with right now. We're trying to see what

650
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: more we can find out. But a lot of other

651
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: cases this year and some of the sightings we've had

652
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: have been very very intriguing. You know, we back in

653
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies, and even going back in the

654
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: fifties and sixties and seventies and eighties used to get

655
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: a lot of what I call the classic UFO cases,

656
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,039
Speaker 2: which you don't hear about that often anymore. You get

657
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:25,519
Speaker 2: a lot of lights in the sky and you know,

658
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: spherical objects or whatever, but you don't generally get these

659
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: reports like we got of these large structured craft, you know,

660
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 2: chasing vehicles and hovering over cars and the power would

661
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,519
Speaker 2: go out and things landing and fields. Those were not

662
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: that uncommon back in the early days when I was investigating,

663
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,199
Speaker 2: and they were many were very close rings, very detailed observations,

664
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: many in daylight. But we've had some very good reports

665
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,119
Speaker 2: this year, Some very close up and very very detailed

666
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,599
Speaker 2: reports have coming. Like I said, even the last few

667
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: months and weeks, we're hatting a lot of trianglar objects.

668
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: Cigar shaped objects occasionally get disc shaped objects. One case

669
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: that was very, very fascinating, and this is something a

670
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,039
Speaker 2: lot of people were not aware of. But I began

671
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 2: investigating these cases back in the sixties. You know, most

672
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: people when they think of UFOs, they think about your

673
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,639
Speaker 2: typical saucer or disc shaped object, or the the cigar

674
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: or rectangular objects, trianglar objects, but a lot of people

675
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,519
Speaker 2: weren't aware do Some of these objects range anywhere from

676
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: a few inches about a foot in diameter. Most are

677
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: spherical objects, but I've had reports of more elongated winds

678
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: as well. But over the years, I've had incidents where

679
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,079
Speaker 2: people had open windows in their cars or in their homes,

680
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: and these small spheres went inside the choir inside of

681
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: the houses. And many, many years ago, there was a

682
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: case up towards Bunks of Plenty I recall where a

683
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: woman had told me how one of these small spheres

684
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,519
Speaker 2: had come into her kitchen, was floating around in the

685
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,199
Speaker 2: kitchen and she grabbed her room was sort of striped

686
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: to hitting it, and she said it split into two

687
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,679
Speaker 2: identical objects. They floated around the room and they went

688
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,079
Speaker 2: back out the window. But more recently very interesting case

689
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: already summon the report. This was July thirtieth of this year,

690
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: five o'clock in the afternoon, on a beautiful afternoon. A

691
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: fella is riding down Interstate eighty outside of Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania.

692
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: Again it's beautiful, clear sky and it's relatively warm as

693
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: low humid, and he had the windows down. He's riding

694
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,559
Speaker 2: out there in his vehicle and as he's looking out

695
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:41,119
Speaker 2: the passenger side towards the pass side window, here's this white, translucent,

696
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: solid round object about the diameter of a softball that

697
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,079
Speaker 2: was just staying right outside the window. And this object

698
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:51,679
Speaker 2: was not luminous, and he said the sphere may have

699
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,079
Speaker 2: been a little more open shaped than a softball in shape.

700
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,559
Speaker 2: But it paced a vehicle as he was moving down

701
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:58,519
Speaker 2: the road at a high rate of speed, and then

702
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: it floated into the camp through the open window. And

703
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: as the man watched the object drop slowly to the

704
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:08,199
Speaker 2: floorboard slowly moved toward the driver along the floor And

705
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: as he continued to watch, he said he could see

706
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: through the sphere and that it said the surface of

707
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: the object had been crisscrossed and divided by a line

708
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: of was a quarter inch in width, and he said

709
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: it looked similar to a vein that was darker than

710
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: the object, and saw of a great color. And he

711
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: said he became concerned, and he was taking his foot

712
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: off the accelerators. He was a concentrating more on the

713
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,599
Speaker 2: object than on the roadway. And the object began to

714
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: slowly move along the floor then proceeded up the hump

715
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: in the middle of the floorboard, continued on to move

716
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: toward the driver's seat. When it reached his right foot,

717
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,079
Speaker 2: it suddenly stopped, reversed direction until it became centered on

718
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:51,199
Speaker 2: the hump, departed, and then it departed the truck by

719
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: passing through the seat, the back of the cab, and

720
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: out the better of the moving vehicle. He said, he

721
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,039
Speaker 2: watched this thing tell you about thirty to forty five seconds.

722
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,199
Speaker 2: And I mean, the guy's a very incredible witness. And

723
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: why would you make up such a story.

724
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,199
Speaker 1: So the orb actually moved or the object moved through

725
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: solid matter at the end to go out of the truck. Now, see,

726
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: those types of anomalies are interesting because there have been

727
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: a couple of I know a couple of people who've

728
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,079
Speaker 1: seen them. There's a friend of mine in Ohio's name

729
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,039
Speaker 1: is Tim Stover. He's a bigfoot researcher with the Ohio

730
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: BIGFN Hunters and he has had first hand witness of

731
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: those types of objects out in the woods. He even

732
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: accidentally caught one on video one night while he was

733
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,679
Speaker 1: out doing one of his reports. That was intrigued me

734
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,199
Speaker 1: because the object actually passed behind one tree in front

735
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: of another, giving it the depth. And even members of

736
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,199
Speaker 1: my own family. I have family out in Colorado who

737
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: over the years, around their property out in the woods

738
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,079
Speaker 1: and Pike National Forest, have seen these white balls of light,

739
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: not exactly uspit these white balls floating around on their

740
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: front porch or around their property. They see it come

741
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: pass by the window and they have no idea what

742
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 1: it is.

743
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: And this may be a good time to begin to

744
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about our experiences in the nineteen

745
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: seventies when we found some very interesting evidence with UFOs

746
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: and bigfoot, and you know, I started to have contact

747
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,639
Speaker 2: with numerous bigfoot research especially back in the seventies. That's

748
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:28,159
Speaker 2: where I began to publish on my findings of the

749
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,159
Speaker 2: investigation we did out in the woods and spent many,

750
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: many many hours day and night during this massive outbreak

751
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: in the seventies we'll talk about, but all over the

752
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: country there were other researchers in another part, especially in

753
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,519
Speaker 2: Washington State and other places where there was a lot

754
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: of reports of luminous lights and spheres, and at the

755
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,599
Speaker 2: same time in the same area where a lot of

756
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:53,119
Speaker 2: Bigfoot activity was going on, and it's still going on today,

757
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: because I know even this year, there have been other

758
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: bigfoot researchers out doing other field investigations looking for Bigfoot

759
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: evidence and instead they came across UFO activity. Instead, they

760
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,639
Speaker 2: weren't looking for There's a lot more of this phenomenon

761
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: that many people understand. I surely don't have the answers,

762
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: but I can tell you from the cases I investigated,

763
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,559
Speaker 2: we need to keep an open mind because there's more

764
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: to this than we have any idea of. Well.

765
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: I also think, and not only with Bigfoot activity, even

766
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: a regular ghost or spirit activity seems to be very

767
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,519
Speaker 1: much interconnected with a lot of UFO activity. You know,

768
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:35,119
Speaker 1: We've talked with Stan Romanek who he's had his multiple

769
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: UFO experiences, and one of the things he talks about

770
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:42,119
Speaker 1: is dealing with ghost type activity in his house, serp

771
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: or even poultergeist activity, right.

772
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,519
Speaker 2: And I was probably one of the first researchers that

773
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:50,119
Speaker 2: got involved in the early days in some of the

774
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:53,559
Speaker 2: alleged abduction cases, so I was pretty familiar what was

775
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: going on with a lot of these people, and I

776
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,679
Speaker 2: worked with many of them in Pennsylvania, and a lot

777
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,199
Speaker 2: of these people, of course, talked about a lot of

778
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: paranormal phenomena and even porter geates phenomena some cases, and

779
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,599
Speaker 2: many of them talked about seeing these small spheres of

780
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 2: light that enter their homes and either encounters they had

781
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: as well with them.

782
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,599
Speaker 1: It's it makes you realize that sometimes a lot of

783
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: this activity is more interconnected than you'd think. I know,

784
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in the paranormal ghost hunting

785
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,079
Speaker 1: field who absolutely don't want to hear anything about UFOs

786
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: or Bigfoot, and the same thing people in the UFO

787
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,559
Speaker 1: fields think that, you know, ghosts are bunk, and people in.

788
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: The bigfoot field doesn't want to connect Bigfoot in UFOs exactly.

789
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: You know, because they feel like it discredits their research chacktly.

790
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,559
Speaker 2: But my position as a serious investigator is this is

791
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: what we found, this is what we documented. We don't

792
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: have the answer to what's going on. But we're not

793
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,159
Speaker 2: going to hide it pretend it didn't happen, because you know,

794
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: we don't have the answers we want to share with

795
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,559
Speaker 2: other people out there to try to get other input

796
00:42:58,639 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: and try to learn more about what's going on.

797
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: It's again, it's a fascinating subject. I mean, there's so

798
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: much interesting information out there now. In some of the

799
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,559
Speaker 1: cases that you looked into. Can you talk about somewhere

800
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:16,559
Speaker 1: there were both bigfoot and UFOs involved in the same case.

801
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's go back a number of years. Let's

802
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,199
Speaker 2: go back to nineteen seventy three. As you recall, I

803
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: mentioned my first group, the Westmore County UFO Study Group

804
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: I founded in nineteen seventy and we had our teams

805
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,199
Speaker 2: out there responded to the case of Dayta. We all

806
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: did this around our full time jobs, but I hadn't

807
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: set up that we could actually get teams or investigators

808
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: on the scene within minister hours in many cases. And

809
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,559
Speaker 2: that's what we did, and that's why we came up

810
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: with such good data because we were right there as

811
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: it was occurring, right after it happened. And by nineteen

812
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:55,199
Speaker 2: seventy three, the group became so involved and we were

813
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: very very active out there, and because of the type

814
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,679
Speaker 2: of people we had in the group, a lot of

815
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: themarties began to look at us very seriously, and many

816
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: of our reports were coming to us from the state Police,

817
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:11,039
Speaker 2: the different agencies across Pennsylvania, the news media. So we

818
00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:13,159
Speaker 2: were a lot of cases were being referred to us

819
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: to investigate, and we were very lucky that we were

820
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: already set up when this event began in nineteen seventy three,

821
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:23,519
Speaker 2: And some of your listeners will remember, in the fall

822
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:26,679
Speaker 2: of nineteen seventy three, United States experienced a massive way

823
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: of UFO sightings. It was probably one of the biggest

824
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:33,199
Speaker 2: waves ever in history, and it was making the local

825
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: and national news and evening news for weeks across the

826
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: United States. Back in Pennsylvania, it started the first day

827
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: of the year with UFOs fightings and it continued all

828
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,079
Speaker 2: year long to the last day of the year, where

829
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of UFO cases investigating. We were investing

830
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 2: across Pennsylvania, many of these which I detailed my book

831
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: Solid Invasion to Pennsyvan, the UFO Big Foo Casebook. It's

832
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,599
Speaker 2: the focus of that book. These events will barely be

833
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,039
Speaker 2: able to touch on tonight, but as it was amazing

834
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: time to live through. A lot of these UFLO cases

835
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: were not lights in the sky, but they were large

836
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,079
Speaker 2: structured craft. There were cart chases and landings and called

837
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:15,159
Speaker 2: just very very interesting cases. With the incident she could

838
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:18,199
Speaker 2: not easily dismiss. So we had all this UFO activity

839
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,519
Speaker 2: going on. But then the summer of seventy three became

840
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:27,079
Speaker 2: a really amazing time to live through. And this is

841
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: because we had this massive outbreak of big foot sightings

842
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,679
Speaker 2: that started first in southwestern Pennsylvania and then began to

843
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 2: go to continue to occur throughout other parts of the state,

844
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: eastern parts of the state, other parts of the state.

845
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,639
Speaker 2: But western BA was very very active with reports, and

846
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,119
Speaker 2: many of these were daylight sightings where people were really

847
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: close to these creatures. In some cases there were multiple

848
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,159
Speaker 2: creature reports, generally seven to nine foot tall, long arms

849
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: covered with hair, generally no neck. Interestingly, sometimes was in

850
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,519
Speaker 2: the dark of eyes that glowed self luminescent eyes that

851
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: glowed various colors, mainly red or orange, red green. Sometimes

852
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,079
Speaker 2: that coming by a very strong odor generally described as

853
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: like rotten eggs sulfurs. Something had been dead for a

854
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: long time, but the smell was not common in all cases.

855
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,519
Speaker 2: And again, many of these settings were in daylight, multiple witnesses,

856
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:32,519
Speaker 2: sometimes multiple creatures, and if you look at the series

857
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:35,159
Speaker 2: of reports in the book, you'll see sometimes there were

858
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: many reports on the same day from wild, widespread areas,

859
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: so we knew we were dealing with multiple creatures. It

860
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,679
Speaker 2: wasn't just one or one group of creatures moving around.

861
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 2: And you know, when I started, I started looking into

862
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: big foot sitings in Pennsylvania in the late nineteen sixties,

863
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,519
Speaker 2: and I, of course, I was always aware of that

864
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: there had been a history of bigfoot activity in Pennsylvania,

865
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: from the Native American reports to the newspaper storys going

866
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: back to eighteen hundreds, but I didn't have a lot

867
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: of information on more current reports. So I began to

868
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: look into some of those reports as I was getting them,

869
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 2: and I had always gone into this very open mind

870
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,119
Speaker 2: to lay and of course there were misidentifications and there

871
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: were some hoaxes at times, but the case of the

872
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 2: thing to be, you know, came from confident people sometimes

873
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 2: with various evidence we found out in the field. My

874
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 2: feeling was from the start, we're probably dealing with some

875
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: type of unknown primates, and that's what I was always

876
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: very open minded to, and I still keep an open

877
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 2: mind today because I surely don't have the answer as

878
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: to what's taking place. But as these events are unfolding,

879
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:41,519
Speaker 2: this major event up time about with Bigfoot started basically

880
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: in the summer, but it continued into nineteen seventy four,

881
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: and again we had our teams out there. I was

882
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: out there day and night responding these cases, myself and

883
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: other team members. And as the reports kept coming in,

884
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:58,519
Speaker 2: a lot of the reports come in started getting much stranger,

885
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:00,679
Speaker 2: and a lot of these calls were initially come into

886
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:04,599
Speaker 2: the police departments or the news media, and people weren't

887
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:08,159
Speaker 2: seeking publicity. They were scared to death. They couldn't believe

888
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:10,159
Speaker 2: they were experiencing what they were experiencing, and they were

889
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: just calling because they went to get some answers to

890
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: what was going on. But while we're out in the field,

891
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: we're finding some odd things. We're seeing case where there's

892
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,599
Speaker 2: trails of footprints that that suddenly stuff and disappear when

893
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: there should have been more tracks. For example, people coming

894
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,119
Speaker 2: to us with really weird stories, like one guy tells

895
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: how the Bigfoot walked out in front of his car,

896
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden that the modus started spluttering

897
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: and the power started going out. Things like that. Even

898
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:40,039
Speaker 2: though that's not that common, it's not the only case

899
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: around the country where that's been reported. But as time

900
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,599
Speaker 2: went on, some really odd things began to come to

901
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: our attention. And one of the first stories that came

902
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: to our attention.

903
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: Actually, what I'm going to do is I've apologized for

904
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,079
Speaker 1: interrupt you. I'm going to hold you on that thought.

905
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: For that story. We do have to go to break.

906
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: When we come back, I definitely want to hear where

907
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: this one's gonna go. So everyone's stay tuned. You're listening

908
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,639
Speaker 1: to Unknown Origins Radio here on kg R a dB,

909
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: the Global Radio Alliance. We'll be right back and welcome

910
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,199
Speaker 1: back everybody to Unknown Origins Radio here on the Global

911
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: Radio Alliance. I'm your host, Mark Johnson, along with Lauren

912
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: de Pento and Carrie and Versace, and we're talking with

913
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: UFO researcher in bigfoot hunter, Stan Gordon and Stan just

914
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: before we went to the break, you were about to

915
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,199
Speaker 1: tell us about a UFO story.

916
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,039
Speaker 2: Well, okay, back to seventy three again and all these

917
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: big foot reports are coming in, and then we started

918
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,159
Speaker 2: to get some very strange aspects of the phenomena. One

919
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: of the first cases was outside of Greensburg. I got

920
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: a call from my wife, a prominent doctor to live

921
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: in a rural area if she had this large boomerang

922
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: shaped object covering low over the woods near her homes

923
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,679
Speaker 2: that day and had smelled this real strong soul for odor.

924
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,159
Speaker 2: And then a few hours later she here at gunshots

925
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: coming from right down the street and found out later

926
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: that her neighbor had gone to see what was bothering

927
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,519
Speaker 2: the dog to find this large hairy creature going after

928
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:08,679
Speaker 2: their dog, and he got his rifle and began to

929
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,519
Speaker 2: fire this thing the shooting, this thing hasn't ran off

930
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:13,559
Speaker 2: into the woods, so he thought that's pretty interesting. We

931
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,119
Speaker 2: have a UFO sighting, and then we have a bigfoot

932
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:17,639
Speaker 2: report right in the same area with it a short

933
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: time later. As weeks went on, the reports got much

934
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: more interesting. September twenty seventh, up in north of Pittsburgh

935
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: with the Isle Line, two women were outside waiting for

936
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 2: a friend to pick them up. They see this huge,

937
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: hairy bigfoot creature which is covered with kind of a

938
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: whitish hair, which you don't hear about that often, but

939
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: occasion we get report to white ones as well. So

940
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,599
Speaker 2: it was strange enough to see this large, hairy creature

941
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: running across the road towards the woods, but in one

942
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:52,639
Speaker 2: of its hands it was carrying a small luminous globe

943
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: of light. And they ran and told the father what

944
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: happened on the property, and he went down in the woods.

945
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: And while he's down in the woods, this object comes

946
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: across the sky and a beam of light comes down

947
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,519
Speaker 2: from that object, which he thought it first was an airplane,

948
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: projects a bm light down into the woods where the object,

949
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 2: or where the creature had ran into. So here we

950
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,079
Speaker 2: go again, here's a big foot type creature carrying a

951
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: glowing sphere of light in one of its hands. And

952
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 2: then another case occurred, which is probably the classic case.

953
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: And we could talk for hours just about this case,

954
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: but I'll just give you a brief rundown. I go

955
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,039
Speaker 2: into the entire case in my books, Alid Invasion. It's

956
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:37,199
Speaker 2: probably the weirdest case ever on record. And like I said,

957
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: we don't have time to get into the whole thing.

958
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: But the October twenty fifth, nineteen seventy three, there was

959
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,079
Speaker 2: a lot of reports all day long of UFO, i'd

960
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: give it around Pennsylvania. But about ten thirty that night,

961
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: I get a call from the state trooper from the

962
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: State Police Bricks in Uniontown up in Fayette County, which

963
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,639
Speaker 2: is an area where there's a lot of history, a

964
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 2: lot of ongoing phenomena, and Fayette County is one of

965
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,199
Speaker 2: those counties which borders along the Chestnut Ridge, and the

966
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 2: Chestnut Ridge is a mountain range at one hundred miles

967
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: long that runs from Preston County, West Virginia, through West Mooren,

968
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: Fayette and Indiana County at Southwest Pa. That area is

969
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 2: probably one of the hottest yearly areas for bigfoot activity

970
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: and another phenomena as well. And anyhow, the state cooper

971
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,119
Speaker 2: called me and he said he just came back from

972
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,559
Speaker 2: investigating this incident and he thought it was possible that

973
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:27,559
Speaker 2: something was still up in the pasture and he wanted

974
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: me to get a team up there right away. And

975
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,199
Speaker 2: one of the key witnesses was at the State Police

976
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: Bricks with him, so I interviewed him. What I find

977
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,519
Speaker 2: out was about nine o'clock that night, about fifteen people

978
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:44,199
Speaker 2: in this small world community out there, they observed this

979
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 2: object that looks about as big as a barn. It's

980
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 2: a bright red spherical object about one hundred feet or

981
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,039
Speaker 2: so off the above the ground, and it's slowly moving

982
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: down towards the pasture. So the farmer and his wife

983
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:01,639
Speaker 2: were coming out to visit his dad, who owned the farm.

984
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: They're coming down the farm lane, they slide and he

985
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: went up to a neighbor's house so they can get

986
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: a different perspective of it. And they're watching this thing

987
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: coming down towards the pasture. So he and two young

988
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:15,199
Speaker 2: boys decide they were going to go up into the

989
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: pasture to see what this was all about. Before they went,

990
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 2: he stopped in his dad's home and he grabbed a rifle,

991
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,599
Speaker 2: grabbed the thirty odd six and some ammunition, which included

992
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: some tracer rounds. And as they're riding down the farm

993
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:34,199
Speaker 2: road towards the pasture, and as it's getting closer in

994
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,199
Speaker 2: the distance, here dogs are going crazy. They are a

995
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: high pitched whining sound and he had like a baby

996
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,599
Speaker 2: crying sound. As it gets closer, of course, it's getting louder.

997
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:45,599
Speaker 2: So they parked the truck on an angle. They have

998
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: the headlights on him. They can see where they're going,

999
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: and they noticed that the power seems to be draining,

1000
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: which had normally not happened before, but it's something had

1001
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: been calmly reported with UFO incidents. And they make their

1002
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: way up to the pasture, and when they get up there,

1003
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 2: they're pretty much shocked by what they're seeing. About two

1004
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,039
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty feet away, the object is on the

1005
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,199
Speaker 2: ground or right above the ground, but now it's bright white,

1006
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: and it's like half the sphere. It's like a hemisphere

1007
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 2: with the flat bottom towards the ground or right on

1008
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: the ground, and it's illuminating the whole field, and it's

1009
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,159
Speaker 2: making this real high pitched whining sound, and they're just

1010
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,119
Speaker 2: can't believe what they're seeing or looking this thing and

1011
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,639
Speaker 2: watching this thing. But then their attention is drawing about

1012
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:33,159
Speaker 2: seventy five feet away to a barbed wire fence line,

1013
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: and along that barbed wire fence line there's these two

1014
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 2: tall creatures slowly walking in their direction, one behind the other.

1015
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: The first lot was they got to be bare, and

1016
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: then as they're watching, they're realizing these things are walking upright.

1017
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: The first one's about eight foot tall, the other one

1018
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,199
Speaker 2: is eighty seven foot tall. They're covered with long, dark

1019
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: matted hair. Their arms are down almost to the ground.

1020
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: They have glow throwing green eyes or making this baby

1021
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: crying sound. There's a smell like burning rubber in the air,

1022
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,199
Speaker 2: and these things are walking slowly, one behind the other. Well,

1023
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: the one boy's really upsetting his arm. Shoot him, shoot him.

1024
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: So the guy finally fires the tracer. That tracers just

1025
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: gonna give that instant flash of light, So he fires

1026
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:22,679
Speaker 2: one tracer, he fires a second tracer, and when he

1027
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: fires that second tracer, the largest out the two creatures

1028
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 2: makes a whining sound and reaches out as to grab

1029
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 2: that tracer, and the moment it does, the object in

1030
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,639
Speaker 2: the field disappears. It vanishes. It's not there anymore. It's gone.

1031
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 2: The glow is gone, the high pitched whining sound has gone.

1032
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 2: Everything turns dark. The creatures turn around that slowly start

1033
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,079
Speaker 2: walking back in the office direction, back towards the woods. Well,

1034
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,119
Speaker 2: the one kid, at some point he runs out of

1035
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: the whiz. He's so scared. And this guy now shooting,

1036
00:55:57,199 --> 00:55:59,519
Speaker 2: begins to shoot live ammo at them. And this guy's

1037
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: bey hunting for years, and he said, he always told

1038
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: me how he remembered the glowing green eyes, that they

1039
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,639
Speaker 2: were staring at him with those glowing green eyes and

1040
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,519
Speaker 2: was shooting right into him, and they weren't stopping, they

1041
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: weren't being injured. He couldn't understand why he didn't bring

1042
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,519
Speaker 2: it one of them down because he was shooting at him.

1043
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 2: He had been hunting for years and just didn't make

1044
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,599
Speaker 2: any sense. And they finally ran out of there and

1045
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:21,519
Speaker 2: they went back to the farmhouse. They told the family

1046
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: what happened. So he took him to a neighbor and

1047
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 2: they called the state police. So about forty five minutes later,

1048
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 2: the trooper arrives on the scene. I'm here to investigate

1049
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 2: the incident. And the guy said, yeah, I just forget

1050
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,079
Speaker 2: about it. You know, you know you're gonna think I'm

1051
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,639
Speaker 2: not to say that. Trooper said, there was a report

1052
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: of two other creatures on the mountain last night. I

1053
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 2: have to investigate. So they go up to the patrol

1054
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 2: car and they go up in the area where the

1055
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: object had been on the ground, and the trooper told

1056
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:54,079
Speaker 2: me that that whole area was self luminescent, glowing about

1057
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,159
Speaker 2: one hundred hundred and fifty feet diamember. He said it

1058
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,519
Speaker 2: was bright enough if he had a newspaper, he could

1059
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:02,039
Speaker 2: have sat down within it and reads the newspaper from

1060
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: the light coming off of it. The form animals wouldn't

1061
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 2: go anywhere near it, and other things began to happen.

1062
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,119
Speaker 2: It destroy gets deeper and deeper and stranger and stranger,

1063
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: and we can't even get into all of it today.

1064
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,639
Speaker 2: But you know, again it's mentioned in the Solid Invasion book.

1065
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: And I want to give you some other input of

1066
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,239
Speaker 2: some other case, because I know you don't have much time,

1067
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: But I want to tell you of another case that

1068
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: gave us some information as to why we may not

1069
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,559
Speaker 2: have any bodies of any of these bigfoot creatures.

1070
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,599
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you want to talk about that now,

1071
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:37,159
Speaker 1: we can't sure they'd be fine.

1072
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, you know, as I mentioned earlier, I've always

1073
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: been very open minded to the bigfoot phenomena and what

1074
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,679
Speaker 2: they might be. But you know, in the years since

1075
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,079
Speaker 2: the seventies, I've worked on hundreds of big foot sightings

1076
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. You know, We've gotten castle footprints, and we've

1077
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,159
Speaker 2: seen other evidence out there, and I'm firmly convinced that

1078
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,599
Speaker 2: very credible people have been seeing and coming across some

1079
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: type of unknown special of some type of creature out there.

1080
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: The question is why don't we have more physical evidence.

1081
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,719
Speaker 2: And by now, after all these years, from throughout the country,

1082
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,079
Speaker 2: throughout many other parts of the world, it doesn't make

1083
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: sense that by now we haven't come up with a body.

1084
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make any sense. Anyhow, we had some

1085
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,639
Speaker 2: incidents during this outbreak of seventy three and seventy four

1086
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:28,679
Speaker 2: that were highly strange which suggested that there may be

1087
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: more to the Bigfoot phenomena than just a flashed and

1088
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:36,119
Speaker 2: blood explanation. And the one case it really suggested that

1089
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: occurred February sixth and nineteen seventy four, again up in

1090
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,079
Speaker 2: the mountains, deep in the mountains of Fayette County. Some

1091
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,679
Speaker 2: of your listeners might remember, if they were living back

1092
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:50,599
Speaker 2: at that time, that at that period of time, there

1093
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,239
Speaker 2: was a National trucker strike going on and there was

1094
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,119
Speaker 2: gas rationing, so I couldn't get up to the Saints

1095
00:58:56,119 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: earlier the next morning. But what I found out was

1096
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,239
Speaker 2: the state police had gotten this report about this incident.

1097
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: And again going back to the fact that there was

1098
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,239
Speaker 2: this National trucker striking, there was shootings going on on

1099
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: the highways across the country. There was a lot of

1100
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: problems at the time, so the State Police and the

1101
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: National Guard were patrolling together. So in this particular incident,

1102
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,599
Speaker 2: both National guardsmen and the State Plice responded to this scene.

1103
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:29,559
Speaker 2: What we find out was that night, this woman who's

1104
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: lived in with all her life, knows animals very well,

1105
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,639
Speaker 2: pretty much, not afraid of anything. She's sitting in her

1106
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: in her little cabin home and everything's normal. She began

1107
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,559
Speaker 2: to hear out on her porch of her home. She

1108
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: had a little power of garbage like garbage can of

1109
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: like popcins whatever out there, and Simon was rattling the cans.

1110
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: And she had been having trouble with a pack of

1111
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,239
Speaker 2: wild dogs previously, so she figured these dogs must have

1112
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: come back. So she decided she was a grabber shotgun

1113
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:01,599
Speaker 2: and just opened the door and fire over their head

1114
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: and scare the dogs away. So what she do She

1115
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: goes over, she loads one chamber of her shotgun, and

1116
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:11,199
Speaker 2: she walks over to the switch that will turn the

1117
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: land on the outside porch. She turns on the switch,

1118
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,199
Speaker 2: she opens the door and she walks outside. There's no dogs,

1119
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: but right there right in front of her, a few

1120
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: feet away, and she never ever described this thing, never

1121
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:27,159
Speaker 2: called her a big foot. She said it was a great, big,

1122
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: hairy ape. Here's this huge ape like creature with his

1123
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: arm straight up over its head. So her reaction is

1124
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,199
Speaker 2: this thing's gonna attack me. She fires right into it.

1125
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: She said. There's this bright flash of light, like a

1126
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,599
Speaker 2: strobe on a camera, and the creature disappeared right in

1127
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: front of her. Now, her son in lawn and family

1128
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: have lived one hundred feet away, and they heard the gunshot.

1129
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,159
Speaker 2: So they called her and asked her what happened, and

1130
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,079
Speaker 2: they tried to explain it to her. So the the

1131
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: sunolog grabbed his pistols, began to make his way up

1132
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: to her home and said he, now, this is a

1133
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: really deeply wooded mountainous area. He said, he's surrounded by

1134
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:12,519
Speaker 2: four or five hairy people with highs like coals of fire,

1135
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,239
Speaker 2: and he began randomly shooting at him. He ran inside

1136
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: the house. At the same time, here's this large object,

1137
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,639
Speaker 2: he said, like a big christ of th ornum colored

1138
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: lights hovering over the woods. At the same time.

1139
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:23,559
Speaker 1: Wow.

1140
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,079
Speaker 2: So they called the state police, and I interviewed the

1141
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,639
Speaker 2: officer in charge and people involved, and he said but

1142
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: they've got It took him while to get up there

1143
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: and find the place, but he said, what he got there,

1144
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,119
Speaker 2: he said, these people had all kinds of animals, a

1145
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: lot of animals, a lot of dogs. And he said,

1146
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:46,239
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened up there, but something really

1147
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,039
Speaker 2: weird was going on. And this is something that I

1148
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: witnessed myself and other investigators. This is the one thing

1149
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: that could not be fabricated, and that is how the

1150
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,199
Speaker 2: animals react when they're in a closed proximity to the

1151
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:02,119
Speaker 2: bigfoot creatures really calm and in dogs, even though it

1152
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:05,079
Speaker 2: shows up other domestic inform animals as well, but dogs

1153
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:09,199
Speaker 2: e the most vicious dogs. When these creatures in the distance,

1154
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:11,679
Speaker 2: they bark and they carry on and go crazy. But

1155
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:16,599
Speaker 2: when they're at close range, in most instances, they're completely silent.

1156
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: They're almost like a shock. They shiver, they hide, they

1157
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: won't bark, they won't move, they won't respond, and sometimes

1158
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: even the next day or so, they won't even eat properly. Still,

1159
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,519
Speaker 2: and the trooper said, he said, it was amazing to

1160
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,679
Speaker 2: go up and see some of these dogs and no sound,

1161
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: everything's quiet, none of the dogs responding. He said, he

1162
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,239
Speaker 2: physically tried to employ I think it was an eskimo

1163
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,039
Speaker 2: spits for one of those big dogs. He tried to

1164
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:44,199
Speaker 2: physically pull one out of its cage, and that dog

1165
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't even move. He said that dungcheon or ripped his

1166
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 2: arm off and it didn't even move. And they were

1167
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:53,119
Speaker 2: just amazed at how the animals reacted. And that's something

1168
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: that we saw ourselves. Now.

1169
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:03,559
Speaker 1: I've read stories with involving Bigfoot possibly using infrasound, and

1170
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: in that case, could they possibly, when they're close like that,

1171
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: be emitting a type of infrasound that the dogs of

1172
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,239
Speaker 1: course can hear, and that could cause them to be

1173
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: terrified while nobody else can.

1174
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 2: Hear it exactly. Well, we know for sure that animals

1175
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: are very susceptible. They're able to perceive things that we can't,

1176
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:26,559
Speaker 2: and of course with many type of paranormal events, we

1177
01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:28,519
Speaker 2: know that cats and dogs react to things that we

1178
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: can't experience, and so that is one possibility. Yes, But

1179
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: we got out there the next morning. Of course, we're

1180
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: interviewing the people out there and we're checking for evidence.

1181
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,199
Speaker 2: We're out in the woods. We have an animal officer

1182
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,039
Speaker 2: control officer with us, and we find right in line

1183
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:45,639
Speaker 2: in the woods from the portray shot of us, and

1184
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: we found the whole bb pattern industry out there where

1185
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: she had shot at this thing. And I mean, these

1186
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,079
Speaker 2: people had no reason to make up the story. They

1187
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:57,679
Speaker 2: were very very upset, you know, reluctant to talk about it.

1188
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: Why wou't you make up such a story. And that

1189
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 2: wasn't the only case we had which suggested that again

1190
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:08,719
Speaker 2: that there was more to the big FoST phenomenon we understood,

1191
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:10,599
Speaker 2: and in fact, that we might be dealing with something

1192
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 2: that has as a physical and non ciscal aspect to it.

1193
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's physically intact, it looks solid at the

1194
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,559
Speaker 2: times at least physical evidence, and then other times it's

1195
01:04:19,679 --> 01:04:23,519
Speaker 2: just gone. And you know, when you started looking at

1196
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: all these other cases of cryptosiological creatures I've looked into

1197
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:31,159
Speaker 2: here in Pennsylvania, I mean, we looked into besides Mountain

1198
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: line reports, which I believe are just an animal which

1199
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,159
Speaker 2: continues to exist on occasion rarity, even though officially not

1200
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,039
Speaker 2: extinct in the East in Pennsylvania and the eighteen nineties,

1201
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,519
Speaker 2: that's a whole different subject. But you got the black

1202
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 2: panther reports, which are very intriguing because they never exist

1203
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: in this part of the world, but there are multitudes

1204
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,239
Speaker 2: of reports between these large creatures which most people would

1205
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: think of as a black leopard or black jaguar. And

1206
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: there have been many sightings here Pennsylvania, including this year,

1207
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: in recent months, and I've talked to hunters who are

1208
01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: thirty feet away from them, and we're scared to death.

1209
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:11,159
Speaker 2: And you've got the mothman type reports you have got.

1210
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: We can reports all the time for better purbacle and thunderbirds,

1211
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,679
Speaker 2: reports of huge birds with giant wingspan that people see.

1212
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: In some of the cases we have, they were close enough,

1213
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: but you could get a good idea of the wingspan.

1214
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,719
Speaker 2: Of course, with so many of these phenomena, just like

1215
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: with UFOs, if it's far away, it's hard to attract

1216
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,039
Speaker 2: size and altitude. But in some cases we have they

1217
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: were extremely close range and on the ground and there

1218
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:38,039
Speaker 2: was a way to get an idea a wingspan. And

1219
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,719
Speaker 2: so some of those cases are most intriguing. And then

1220
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,519
Speaker 2: we have a whole slew of all kinds of other

1221
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:49,239
Speaker 2: weird creatures that we've looked into. Set The thing is

1222
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,239
Speaker 2: just like the famous mothman reports of the nineteen sixty

1223
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,079
Speaker 2: six you know here you have a series of events

1224
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: going on in West Virginia. They go on for a

1225
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: period of time and then suddenly it stops and disappears.

1226
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: And if you look historically all over the country, you

1227
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:07,639
Speaker 2: get these periodic outbreaks. We get them in Pennsylvania, you

1228
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: get them in Ohio. You had the lizard Man in

1229
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,679
Speaker 2: the Carolinas. There's so the chup in Puerto Rico and

1230
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,719
Speaker 2: other South American countries. They're real good chup of carpo reports,

1231
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,079
Speaker 2: not the reports were getting mainly in the US of

1232
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,559
Speaker 2: which might be some type of hybrid animal or something else.

1233
01:06:24,119 --> 01:06:28,119
Speaker 2: But these things they come and they go, and there's

1234
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: so many things we just don't understand. But you've got

1235
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,639
Speaker 2: credible people, and sometimes you got various type of physical

1236
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:36,719
Speaker 2: evidence with substantiates the fact that something was going on.

1237
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:39,079
Speaker 2: But where do these things go to and where do

1238
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: they come from? And there's just again, so many mysteries

1239
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:44,639
Speaker 2: out there we don't have the answers for.

1240
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: Well, we're coming up on towards the end of the program.

1241
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: I do have one last question I wanted to ask you,

1242
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:54,719
Speaker 1: is Pennsylvania, at least in my experiences from what I'm

1243
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: hearing around the country seems to be that one area

1244
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: that has that hotspot of all this different type of

1245
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:09,639
Speaker 1: activity and where UFOs and bigfoots are reported more together

1246
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: then it seems like any other part of the country.

1247
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,639
Speaker 1: I'm just curious if you have any theories on why

1248
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,159
Speaker 1: you think Pennsylvania is such a hotbed for this type

1249
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: of activity compared.

1250
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:21,679
Speaker 2: To other person all, let me say this, there is

1251
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: a of all the thousands of UFO case we've looked

1252
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: into over years, and in the hundreds of bigfoot cases,

1253
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 2: only a very small percentage of reports seem to have

1254
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 2: bigfoot UFOs with some somehow they're associated, but we don't

1255
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,599
Speaker 2: know how or if they're directly associated at all. We

1256
01:07:40,679 --> 01:07:43,599
Speaker 2: don't have those answers. The point is, there are well

1257
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,599
Speaker 2: substantiated case of UFOs and bigfoot scene together at the

1258
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 2: same time in place. And it's not just in Pennsylvania.

1259
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,159
Speaker 2: It's all over the country. But so many of different

1260
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:56,119
Speaker 2: researchers I talked to and talking to me privately, and

1261
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,679
Speaker 2: I know prominent bigfoot researchers out there who have been

1262
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:05,599
Speaker 2: recent years and countered strange orbs and UFOs and weird

1263
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 2: phenomenon while looking at the bigfoot cases and they won't

1264
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: publicly talk about it because they're afraid of being ridiculed.

1265
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 2: And I've knowne about this since at least the seventies,

1266
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: So it may well be that there's a lot more

1267
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,279
Speaker 2: of this may be going on, but we just don't

1268
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 2: have that data. And so you know, we're hoping it

1269
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 2: more and more people. And that's one of the reasons

1270
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 2: why I wrote the Solid Invasion book, to try and

1271
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: encourage other witnesses, other investigators to try to be more

1272
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 2: open minded. If you know these things, don't laugh them up,

1273
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,079
Speaker 2: investigate them and let other people know what's going on

1274
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 2: so we could try to learn from it.

1275
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,399
Speaker 1: Well, Stanza, thank you for coming on tonight and discussing

1276
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,319
Speaker 1: all this. And like you said, we could keep going

1277
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: on for a long time and I'd be right there

1278
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,319
Speaker 1: with you. This is fascinates the heck out of me. Now,

1279
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,119
Speaker 1: are you going to be making any public appearances here

1280
01:08:57,159 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: in the near future?

1281
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, there's I don't be of course. I'm gonna

1282
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 2: be at your event next year, I believe in September,

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Speaker 2: and I'll be speaking there. There's many many events I know.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be at the at the mwfon Erie conference

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Speaker 2: first time. We already had a conference Erie, Pennsylvania. I

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Speaker 2: believe it's in May of this year. I don't have

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Speaker 2: the lists in front of me. I'll be at the

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Speaker 2: East at the other mufon, the Pittsford MUFON conference. In October,

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Speaker 2: I'll be at the Monster Bash and near Butler, PA.

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Speaker 2: And there are many many events scheduled and so I

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Speaker 2: hope some people stop by and you know, be glad

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Speaker 2: to talk to him. If people like to get more

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01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 2: information on my two books, Solid Invasion de Pennsylvania, a

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Speaker 2: bigfootcasebook and Really Mysterious Pennsylvania, Uh, they can get it

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Speaker 2: through They can get autograph copies from my website US

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Speaker 2: in order of course for Amazon or Borns and Noble

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01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: and other sites as well. And also my documentary KEXT

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Speaker 2: for the un Told Story is available through my website

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Speaker 2: Stan Gordon dot info as well. But that's the places

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Speaker 2: that they can go update on a lot of more

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01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: recent cases, and there's a lot of case on there.

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Speaker 2: We hadn't have time to even talk.

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Speaker 1: About so real quick before we yes, definitely, and but

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Speaker 1: real quick before you go, what else is next for you?

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Speaker 1: Do you where do you see your research going? At

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Speaker 1: this point.

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Speaker 2: Well, my research is just a continuation what it's been

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Speaker 2: for over fifty three years. And I guess I'm hopeful

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Speaker 2: that that next phone call might lead me on to

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01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,279
Speaker 2: that case. It might finally break up in one of

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Speaker 2: these cases where we have definitive evidence of something going

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Speaker 2: on out there that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: That's all what we're all trying to do in in

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Speaker 1: the things that we're trying to research, and hopefully, hopefully

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen will be the year for all of us.

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Speaker 1: And I also wanted to give a shout out. I

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Speaker 1: know that you're good friends with our good friend Eric Altman,

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Speaker 1: and Eric will also be at Parafest in September, and

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Speaker 1: you know we're gonna have to get Eric back on

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Speaker 1: the program here. We haven't had him on in a while,

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Speaker 1: and he's always a great guy. I love Eric to death.

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Speaker 4: Actually, Eric, it's the one introduce me to Stamp.

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Speaker 2: So well, we appreciate them messing us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, stand again, thank you very much for coming

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Speaker 1: on the program tonight. We really appreciate it. We'll definitely

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Speaker 1: gonna have to have you back on soon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we appreciate it. Happy holidays to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, everybody else, thank you very much for listening

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Speaker 1: to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to throw out the reminder that, you know, uh, barring

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Speaker 1: the end of the world on Friday, we will be

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Speaker 1: off the next two week Monday nights because that is

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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve. So but we will

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Speaker 1: be back with brand new live shows in January, starting

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Speaker 1: January seventh, so be sure to tune in here at

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Speaker 1: kg R a dB the Global Radio Alliance. And before

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Speaker 1: we sign off, we're going to give our motivational quote

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Speaker 1: for the end of the year. I just remember, you know,

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Speaker 1: if if the mine apocalypse is coming, you know, I

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Speaker 1: want to give you protrake with you this piece of wisdom.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the answer to the ultimate

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Speaker 1: question of life, the universe and everything. Are you ready?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh forty two forty two forty two. I have

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Speaker 1: a great night, everybody. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Jeez, what.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean? I don't know. I'm confused.

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Speaker 4: Good night everyone, Good ready