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Speaker 3: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts
Speaker 3: and spirits wander through our physical dimension. Unknown creatures lurk
Speaker 3: in the shadows, and strange lights and crafts dominate our skies.
Speaker 3: Modern science refuses to acknowledge their existence. Yeah, credible eyewitnesses
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Speaker 1: Welcome to our final edition of Unknown Origins Radio where
Speaker 1: we talk about everything having to do with the strange
Speaker 1: and paranormal. And yes, you heard right, final because this
Speaker 1: Friday is you know, the Mayan Apocalypse, so you know
Speaker 1: the world's gonna end. That's it, We're done. How about that? Okay,
Speaker 1: now we still got to shoot it.
Speaker 4: I say that sucks shopping, But then again.
Speaker 1: Well as I said that, I'm your host, Mark Johnson,
Speaker 1: and of course we have Carrie, Anne and Lauren, so
Speaker 1: you know, are you all worried about our final Our
Speaker 1: final show our final few last few days here on Earth.
Speaker 5: No, because I'm actually Christmas shopping, or I would be
Speaker 5: Bob exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. It says like some of those posts
Speaker 1: that they have going around on Facebook right now is
Speaker 1: for all those you who do believe that the Mayan
Speaker 1: apocalypse is going to be Friday. Please feel free to
Speaker 1: send me all your worldly possessions and you know I'll
Speaker 1: take care.
Speaker 4: Of it for you. Is there anybody who really believes that?
Speaker 4: Though I haven't seen on any anything on Facebook that
Speaker 4: would lend you know the that that they really believe
Speaker 4: that that's gonna happen. Do you did you see anything?
Speaker 4: I mean, everybody's kind of fluffing it up, joking about it.
Speaker 1: And you know it all started, if I if I
Speaker 1: remember the story correctly, some New Age guy a few
Speaker 1: years ago wrote about it in a book and it
Speaker 1: took off because you know, it's only the end of
Speaker 1: a calendar. It doesn't mean the end of the world,
Speaker 1: so uh. And plus I always chuckle whenever they show
Speaker 1: the Mayan calendar, they always bring up the old Aztec disc.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the Mayan so but hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, look at look on the bright side.
Speaker 1: If the mind's are right, and this is the last
Speaker 1: Monday we'll have to deal with, see no more Monday.
Speaker 1: Isn't that great?
Speaker 4: Yes? Because this Monday sun about you guys. Oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm ready for Tuesday.
Speaker 1: It's been a rough it's been a rough last few days,
Speaker 1: especially with all that's gone on up in Connecticut. And
Speaker 1: you know what, tonight I just wanted I'm gonna quickly
Speaker 1: acknowledge that our thoughts go out to the families of
Speaker 1: everyone involved in this tragedy. I personally don't want to
Speaker 1: dwell on it tonight. I think everybody's been dwelling on
Speaker 1: it for the last few days. It's going to be
Speaker 1: in our minds for a while, and you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to take away from it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to cheapen it by trying to say too much about it.
Speaker 1: So we'll just our thoughts and prayers go out with
Speaker 1: all the families involved, and you know, our thoughts are
Speaker 1: with you. But I think I'm that's all I really
Speaker 1: want to say about it. I don't think I can
Speaker 1: say anything else.
Speaker 4: No, you're right, I mean, you know they're in my
Speaker 4: thoughts and prayers. I see little reminders here and there
Speaker 4: and shed a few tears, and you know, I just
Speaker 4: hope they make it through this. The families, So.
Speaker 5: Families. Yeah, I know, I've been quite disgusted with Facebook,
Speaker 5: so I won't even get into it, but I feel very, very,
Speaker 5: very heart broken for the families. And I don't think
Speaker 5: the people on Facebook at the time. They're too busy
Speaker 5: jump onto other things to be greeting too very long.
Speaker 5: And I've really I have stayed off social media so
Speaker 5: other than the news, it's just heart wrenching.
Speaker 1: It really is. Even the news is disgusting me because
Speaker 1: it's all being turned into political rants on both sides. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and nobody's it's just you know, sometimes I kind of
Speaker 1: wish that I really wish. But you know, if the
Speaker 1: end of the world was this Friday, at least, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to listen to this anymore. But it's just
Speaker 1: it's just a shame. But what can we do. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: hopefully twenty thirteen turns out to be a lot better,
Speaker 1: that's all I've got to say. So anyway, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and get right into our show. We got
Speaker 1: a big show tonight, and our guest tonight I had
Speaker 1: the pleasure of meeting this gentleman a couple of months
Speaker 1: ago at the Moufon conference down in Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia. Now,
Speaker 1: he's a trained electronics electrician specializing in radio communications and
Speaker 1: he's also the former state director of the mutual ufone
Speaker 1: network for the state of Pennsylvania, and he currently spends
Speaker 1: his time investigating bigfoot sidings and UFO encounters throughout the
Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania. And so we want to welcome Stan
Speaker 1: Gordon to the program. How are you tonight, Stan, We're
Speaker 1: doing very good.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for coming on. Like I mentioned, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you would remember me, but I got
Speaker 1: to meet you very briefly on the Sunday of the
Speaker 1: last program, the last day of the Moufon conference and
Speaker 1: outside of Philadelphia. Yes, yes, I briefly got to chat
Speaker 1: with you, and that was a pleasure. And you know,
Speaker 1: that was a really interesting conference. That was actually my
Speaker 1: first MoveOn conference, So it was really a treat to
Speaker 1: listen to everybody getting up and talking and sharing their ideas.
Speaker 1: And now, how long have you you were the former
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania director of Moufon. How long were you doing that for?
Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what. I'll give you a little
Speaker 2: bit of my background for those who aren't familiar, just
Speaker 2: to tell you how deeply involved I've gotten this phenomena.
Speaker 2: I started this one. I was ten years old back
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty nine, and my interest was sparked by
Speaker 2: the fact that my parents, on my tenth birthday, which
Speaker 2: happened to me during the Halloween season, had bought me
Speaker 2: a new AM radio. And how I got involved in
Speaker 2: this is that I was taking around the AM radio
Speaker 2: Dill that night, and because of Halloween, they're talking about
Speaker 2: strange happenings, ghosts and flying sponsors and weird things. And
Speaker 2: I was very curious when I was ten, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to know if these were really true accounts where
Speaker 2: people were making these stories up. So I began to
Speaker 2: frequent the local library and read all the books they
Speaker 2: had on UFOs and Bigfoot and strange phenomena, and I
Speaker 2: began to cut newspaper stories out and made scrap books,
Speaker 2: and so I was very interested in quite a while.
Speaker 2: And then I was sixteen years old in nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: five when the incident happened not too far away, about
Speaker 2: twelve miles away from my town hometown of Greensburg near Kexsburgh,
Speaker 2: where the Xburgh UFO incident occurred, and I got involved
Speaker 2: in that case from the day it happened. I've been
Speaker 2: working on it ever since. So I began to go
Speaker 2: out into the field to investigate incidents firsthand in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty five, and then in nineteen sixty nine, I set
Speaker 2: up a local hotline for the public to report UFO sightings.
Speaker 2: I began to make contact with a local police in
Speaker 2: the news media, and I was pretty young, and back
Speaker 2: in those days, there was a lot of ridicule on
Speaker 2: these subjects, but I tried to handle it very scientifically,
Speaker 2: very seriously, and I tried to get the point across that, hey,
Speaker 2: a few folks get any calls, you know, even if
Speaker 2: you're not going to pursue it, if you let people
Speaker 2: know I'm interested, maybe you'll give my phone number. Well,
Speaker 2: probably within months after that happened, my phone was ringing
Speaker 2: off the hook and I was getting calls day and
Speaker 2: night about hundred houses and strange creatures and UFO sightings,
Speaker 2: all kind of phenomena, and I was just being overwhelmed,
Speaker 2: and I knew I couldn't handle this on my own,
Speaker 2: so I was determined to set up a volunteer group
Speaker 2: of research people such as scientists, engineers, technicians, people who
Speaker 2: could evaluate these type of reports, and that's what I did.
Speaker 2: So in nineteen seventy I founded the first of three
Speaker 2: volunteer research groups and the first one was called the
Speaker 2: Westmoorren County UFO Study Group. And it was just amazing
Speaker 2: over a period of time of the type of people
Speaker 2: who I got involved in my group, many who worked
Speaker 2: with me anonymously because their positions. We had scientists and
Speaker 2: research people from my alcohol research, Westinghouse golf research, from
Speaker 2: a lot of the colleges and universities in corporation around Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: and again most of these people work with me anonymously
Speaker 2: because of it. A ridicule was a subject. But with
Speaker 2: my electronics background, I set up a two are radio
Speaker 2: dispatch system so we could radio dispatch some of the
Speaker 2: investiges out that have seen the incidents very quickly, and
Speaker 2: we worked on hundreds of hundreds of cases. And said
Speaker 2: I was nineteen seventy I founded the first group and
Speaker 2: by nineteen seventy five the group was so well known
Speaker 2: across the state of Pennsylvania, even though he was PROS
Speaker 2: just a local group that I changed the name of
Speaker 2: the groups of the Pennsylvania Center for u for Research.
Speaker 2: And then in nineteen eighty one I found another group
Speaker 2: called KASU which was set up as a clearinghouse for
Speaker 2: reports of all types of phenomena across Pennsylvania, which was
Speaker 2: the Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained. But
Speaker 2: also for many years during some of the seventies and
Speaker 2: some of the eighties and nineties, I was the Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: State director as well, and so I actually had two
Speaker 2: different research group working on these cases across the state.
Speaker 2: So we had a lot of people really involved in
Speaker 2: really doing a lot of field investigation covering the state
Speaker 2: on all types of phenomena. And since nineteen ninety three
Speaker 2: I got out of the organizational type format and I've
Speaker 2: worked at the independent researcher. My hotline is still very
Speaker 2: very active, calls communior all the time, but we had
Speaker 2: the email or phone concerning all kinds of strength phenomena.
Speaker 2: And this year has been a very very busy year
Speaker 2: walk type of strange crease reports and UFO counters right
Speaker 2: up through the last few weeks, so it's been very
Speaker 2: busy done.
Speaker 1: This way, that's excellent that it gives us a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about tonight. You've got it. You've had a
Speaker 1: long career doing this, and much longer than me. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you that. Now, in finding a place to pick
Speaker 1: up where we want to start with, I do want
Speaker 1: to talk to you about the Kesburg incident. Now, admittedly
Speaker 1: that's an incident that I'm not as familiar with as
Speaker 1: I am with other cases such as Roswell or even
Speaker 1: Rndlesham Forest. So I was wondering if you can give
Speaker 1: us a little bit of background on on the Kexburg case,
Speaker 1: and then how did you get involved within? What was
Speaker 1: your role?
Speaker 2: Okay? Well I was My role was the fact that
Speaker 2: here I was sixteen years old already had an interest
Speaker 2: in the UFO phenomena. And how I got involved. I
Speaker 2: was tuning in that night Thursday night, December ninth, nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty five to listen to KATIEK Radio and Pittsburgh because
Speaker 2: they had a very well known radio talk show called Contact.
Speaker 2: The host that programmed he was the late Mike Levine,
Speaker 2: and he was having a guest on that night who
Speaker 2: was Frank Edwards, who had written some books on French
Speaker 2: happenings and flying saucers. So I was tuning in to
Speaker 2: listen to him, and what I found most interesting was
Speaker 2: the fact that almost the entire program was focusing on
Speaker 2: this wave of UFO reports that had happened late that afternoon,
Speaker 2: and the reports were coming into the station. Michael Levian
Speaker 2: was reading the newswire stories that were coming off the
Speaker 2: press wire from AP and UPI. As they were coming
Speaker 2: off the wire, witnesses were calling in or being interviewed.
Speaker 2: And what we had learned initially was that this fiery
Speaker 2: object is fireball type object that had been seen from
Speaker 2: the tip of Ontario, Canada, over Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: and many many people around the greater Pittsburgh that afternoons
Speaker 2: about four forty seven pm, it's almost dark and they
Speaker 2: see this brilliant fire object crossing the sky and a
Speaker 2: lot of people apparently thought this was an aircraft on fire.
Speaker 2: And so I was very very interesting. A series of
Speaker 2: reports coming in well as the evening continued on. Reports
Speaker 2: indicated that whatever that object was came over Pittsburgh and
Speaker 2: moved down into West Moron County and out here in
Speaker 2: Mount Pleasant Township. That object reportedly had fallen. And then
Speaker 2: they got even more intriguing as the night went on
Speaker 2: because katy KTV was breaking in with live reports that
Speaker 2: the military was now coming into the Kecksburgh area to
Speaker 2: search for an unidentified flying object near he was being
Speaker 2: courted off to search for the object. So of course
Speaker 2: I wasn't even driving it, and I stayed up till
Speaker 2: late hours of night running between the radio and the
Speaker 2: TV trying to get all the latest information on it.
Speaker 2: And the next day I was anxious to see if
Speaker 2: it would be anything in the newspaper, and it was
Speaker 2: the number one headline story in all the local papers.
Speaker 2: It was making the national news wire across the country
Speaker 2: and even out of the country, and the local paper,
Speaker 2: the Grand Security Review, had two editions at the time.
Speaker 2: The morning edition had a headline Army ropes off area
Speaker 2: and identified flying object falls in a ke expert, And
Speaker 2: of course that very much intrigued me. I'm reading all
Speaker 2: this information about the fact that reportedly something fell, that
Speaker 2: nobody's alive to anywhere near what the object was. One
Speaker 2: of the thoughts was that whatever it was made the
Speaker 2: radioactive and they want to keep everybody away from it,
Speaker 2: that they were awaiting the possibility of scientists army engineers
Speaker 2: to commute to take a look at whatever this thing was.
Speaker 2: And then the later edition of the paper comes out
Speaker 2: with a number of different stories, including one story which
Speaker 2: says searches failed to find object, and it goes on
Speaker 2: to say that yes, there was a search, but absolutely
Speaker 2: nothing was found, and that officially it was stated that
Speaker 2: people had been mispeeken they had seen a break meteor
Speaker 2: in the sky and nothing had fallen in the story,
Speaker 2: and again it was some follow up in the paper
Speaker 2: a day or two after that, but basically saying that
Speaker 2: there was a thorough search and nothing was found and
Speaker 2: it was just people's imagination. People seen a break meteor
Speaker 2: and that was the end of the story. One thing
Speaker 2: I remember very well around this local area was that
Speaker 2: within days after the incident happened, many people were talking
Speaker 2: about seeing a large military flat detractor trailer with a
Speaker 2: large tarptobject coming out of that area that night, And
Speaker 2: of course that wasn't mentioned in the newspapers. And so anyway,
Speaker 2: I tried from that point, I was again relatively young,
Speaker 2: didn't know anybody to make people out in that area,
Speaker 2: tried to make some contacts because it was very little
Speaker 2: names in the paper, very few names, very little really
Speaker 2: detailed information, and really couldn't get much on it. But
Speaker 2: I continued to try to pursue it, and in the
Speaker 2: weeks and months and years I began to get quite
Speaker 2: a bit input from different sources. I began to have
Speaker 2: contact with some people who were out there that night.
Speaker 2: I began to get input from relatives and neighbors and
Speaker 2: friends who knew of people who were involved, and we
Speaker 2: began to find that there was appeared to be a
Speaker 2: lot more in this story than was ever made public
Speaker 2: at the time. So back in the eighties, we really
Speaker 2: began to intensify our investigation and wooded area where the
Speaker 2: thing reportedly fell, but we didn't know where it supposedly fell,
Speaker 2: and of course there are no witnesses at that point
Speaker 2: to anything haven't fallen. But there was enough information that
Speaker 2: we had gathered which suggests that again, there was much
Speaker 2: more to this one than we knew about. So we
Speaker 2: began to search a large wooded area and we came
Speaker 2: across it appeared to be a pattern of tree damage
Speaker 2: that went whollway down into the ravine, and we found
Speaker 2: trees knocked out in the same direction pump. The trees
Speaker 2: broken out very interesting a pattern which gave us an
Speaker 2: idea of a possible trajectory where this thing fell. And
Speaker 2: for many years I would hold these large public displays
Speaker 2: in a local mall, the UFO displays through what they
Speaker 2: call the National UFO Information Week, which was a thing
Speaker 2: we did through mufaon and we did this to educate
Speaker 2: the pulp look and it was a very very big event.
Speaker 2: I mean we said this. One particular one was nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven we had at the Westmoller Mall in Greensbrick
Speaker 2: and it literally brought thousands of people in from all
Speaker 2: over Pennsylvania and it was a fantastic way of letting
Speaker 2: people know about their research we were doing and also
Speaker 2: getting information from the public. And back then we had
Speaker 2: a small little display on Kexpert and I happened to
Speaker 2: be out for lunch or whatever at the time and
Speaker 2: one of my associates was there and man, the family
Speaker 2: have to walk by, and he was kind of listening
Speaker 2: into my associated talking to another man about the case
Speaker 2: out there, and the guy fanxscuse me time, but the
Speaker 2: event at Kexburg and they said yes, he said, why
Speaker 2: I was on the search team that found the object.
Speaker 2: So of course everybody was very interested, and they got
Speaker 2: ahold of me right away, and I talked to the
Speaker 2: man and he just said, right at that point, I'll
Speaker 2: talk to you, you know, I'll tell you the story,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to public get involved. Now, I
Speaker 2: get my family involved. And he was not from Kexsburg
Speaker 2: and he hadn't been out there since nineteen sixty five,
Speaker 2: now I was nineteen eighty seven. But his story was
Speaker 2: and this end of this turn has been chum Romanski.
Speaker 2: You didn't go public until we did the Unsold Mystery
Speaker 2: Show season premiere from a fire company that had been
Speaker 2: caught in from outside the area to join other fireman
Speaker 2: into the Kexburgh area to search for a possible down
Speaker 2: to aircraft. And he didn't know the area very well.
Speaker 2: They all met at the Kexsburg fire station and there
Speaker 2: were search teams being sent to go into set up
Speaker 2: a grid search to go into this large wooded area
Speaker 2: to look for this possible downed aircraft. So he remember
Speaker 2: how they they took these guys in different trucks, They
Speaker 2: left them off in different locations and they walked up
Speaker 2: towards in this wooded area. They had walkie talkies, and
Speaker 2: he said they weren't out very long when they got
Speaker 2: a radio call that one of the other teams had
Speaker 2: come across whatever whatever follow and they hurried over to
Speaker 2: that location. And they're standing in this little little embankment
Speaker 2: looking down into this well. It's a dry wash area,
Speaker 2: like a little creek bed, but in the dark, not
Speaker 2: non area. It gave the impression of a trench. But
Speaker 2: here's those large metallic objects semi buried in the ground.
Speaker 2: And they're all standing there within a few feet front
Speaker 2: in this thing, looking at this thing, and they realized
Speaker 2: that whatever the thing was unlike anything they had ever
Speaker 2: seen before. This thing is about ten to twelve four
Speaker 2: ten to twelve feet or more in length, about eight
Speaker 2: to ten feet in diameter. It's kind of an unusual
Speaker 2: off gold bronze color. It looks like a big acorn.
Speaker 2: And Jim said, who had been a phenisaw like? He said,
Speaker 2: the best way he could describe it was, he said,
Speaker 2: if somebody took liquid metal and pour it into an
Speaker 2: acorn shaped mold, that's what it looked like. Because there's
Speaker 2: no world marks, there's no seams, there's no rivets, there's
Speaker 2: no wings, there's no fuselage. Now on the back raised
Speaker 2: up part of the back of like an acorn, which
Speaker 2: he called like the ring area. There's these raised up
Speaker 2: markings on it that were clearly defined, and he said
Speaker 2: they were more like symbols than writing. And years later,
Speaker 2: as he has he tried to remember what they looked like.
Speaker 2: He went to the library to read the ancient writings.
Speaker 2: He said, the close thing you could remember was ancient,
Speaker 2: the gift and hieroglyphics. But now these guys are all
Speaker 2: standing around looking at this embittered object. It's big enough
Speaker 2: for a man to stand inside of. And they're not
Speaker 2: there that long. When these two men, these real stern
Speaker 2: guys and trench coats come down through the woods and
Speaker 2: looked around and told him this area was not quarantine.
Speaker 2: They have to get out of the right away. And
Speaker 2: right behind them are soldiers, and he said they were
Speaker 2: so close to each other they shined the flashlights on
Speaker 2: each other, and they found their way back into the
Speaker 2: little village of expert And anyhow, Jim again hadn't been
Speaker 2: out there since nineteen sixty five, and we told him
Speaker 2: nothing about the fact that we had found what we
Speaker 2: thought may have been some tree damage of puzzle projectories.
Speaker 2: We told him nothing, and he met us out there,
Speaker 2: and he walked around here for quite a while, and
Speaker 2: he remembered certain landmarks for that night, certain details. It
Speaker 2: kind of stuck in his memory. He walked around there,
Speaker 2: tried to find a place. He said, you know what fellas,
Speaker 2: I think were right on the spot. And my associate
Speaker 2: and I looked at each other because it was within
Speaker 2: a few right in the area of where we thought
Speaker 2: this thing probably came down. And a year later we
Speaker 2: got another tip that another local man had gotten down
Speaker 2: into the witness saw of the object soon after that fallen.
Speaker 2: So that guy never reported it, as so many other
Speaker 2: witnesses did, and we contacted m He didn't deny it.
Speaker 2: He just said, hey, he said, I know what I saw,
Speaker 2: And after came out in the paper next day that
Speaker 2: you know, there was nothing there, he said, I just
Speaker 2: told you know through friends and relatives and my family,
Speaker 2: but I just kept my mouth shut. But that turned
Speaker 2: out to be Bill bully Bush and Bill lived a
Speaker 2: few miles away in the little village of Mammoth, right
Speaker 2: over the open Kesburg. That afternoon, he was out in
Speaker 2: his driveway down under the dash working on a CBE radio,
Speaker 2: toning up to CEBE radio, when he happened to look
Speaker 2: up and he saw this fire object moving from the
Speaker 2: village of Norveldt out towards the mountains, out towards Laurelville.
Speaker 2: And he ran out to the roadway to get a
Speaker 2: better look at this thing, and he said it kind
Speaker 2: of hesitated and stopped and made a turn and began
Speaker 2: to track back towards Kecksburg. So he jumped into his car,
Speaker 2: and again it's almost getting dark, and he goes to
Speaker 2: the top of the hill which they now call Media Road,
Speaker 2: and that was the big high lookout that looked out
Speaker 2: all over all the all the acreage and the farm
Speaker 2: land and over to the little village at Kexburg. And
Speaker 2: he knew those woods down there really well because he
Speaker 2: hunted down there, and he's standing up there looking down
Speaker 2: he could see liked his blue arcing down in the woods,
Speaker 2: and whatever it was, he knew it shouldn't be there,
Speaker 2: so he was curious, so he grabbed a flashlight and
Speaker 2: he began to walk down the hall way down and
Speaker 2: across the woods and across the fields and the other
Speaker 2: side to where the Flushing was coming from. And so
Speaker 2: he took us from where he sat compared to where
Speaker 2: Jim had taken us to and Bill we falled Bill
Speaker 2: the hall way down through the wood the opposite side,
Speaker 2: and he put it to a particular treat He said,
Speaker 2: I stood right behind this tree and watched this thing
Speaker 2: and he pointed over to the spot. It was the
Speaker 2: exact Jim had take us to the year before.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so anyhow, it's over the years, I've hundreds of
Speaker 2: people now who are involved in the States.
Speaker 1: Now, Now, the witness that you mentioned that saw the object,
Speaker 1: he actually flying across the sky. He actually watched it
Speaker 1: change direction.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, he actually said it went out, went out,
Speaker 2: kind of hasn't started moving back towards Kecksburg. But you know,
Speaker 2: for a lot of people who saw this thing coming in,
Speaker 2: for what we know as this thing is now what
Speaker 2: we now know, what we learned is a lot more
Speaker 2: than we knew initially at the time, because now what
Speaker 2: we know is from so many witnesses we talked to.
Speaker 2: This thing came in from the greater Pittsburgh area, moved
Speaker 2: roughly southeast towards West Morren County, towards greens whatever Greensburg
Speaker 2: moved out roughly towards Rout thirty east, but then it
Speaker 2: made a turn to the south, and it began to
Speaker 2: head down through these little villages through like Norville and
Speaker 2: Mammoth and around pleasant Unity, Marguerite, and then it started
Speaker 2: going out towards the mountains of Laurelville, and other people
Speaker 2: around there said the thing came back towards Catsburg, turned
Speaker 2: again and went down into the ravine.
Speaker 1: So which right away that rules out any type of
Speaker 1: meteorite coming down because meteors don't change direction attraction.
Speaker 2: Along its path before it fell. And when it came down,
Speaker 2: it didn't come down at a high rate of speed
Speaker 2: like a re entry of spates debris or a media
Speaker 2: coming in. It came in relatively slowly, everybody said. And
Speaker 2: then moments after it fell, there's this calm of dust
Speaker 2: and blue smoke. It comes up and it disappears very quickly,
Speaker 2: disappears very quickly. And what we now know is after
Speaker 2: so many years, that children and other independent people from
Speaker 2: around that area went down into the woods ra after
Speaker 2: it fell and came across this object. And you know,
Speaker 2: so we now know that various people did get down
Speaker 2: in there and saw this thing before the military came in.
Speaker 2: According off the area, and apparently from all indications, it
Speaker 2: took it out of there about one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: And in the summer of nineteen ninety, before the Unsolved
Speaker 2: Mystery show was aired, a man contacted me and I
Speaker 2: was able to check his background out and he said, look,
Speaker 2: I was a part of the Air Force security team.
Speaker 2: They guarded the object from Pennsylvania when it came in
Speaker 2: to Lockborn Air Force Base outside of Columbus, Ohio during
Speaker 2: the early morning hours of December the tenth the next morning,
Speaker 2: and he said they were notified this thing had been
Speaker 2: recovered that they were bringing into Lockborn Air Force Base.
Speaker 2: He said they brought it in in an entrance they
Speaker 2: generally don't use, which another witness was able to verify
Speaker 2: to us as well. They backed it into a hangar,
Speaker 2: and he said the security at the base was hired
Speaker 2: than when President Kennedy had been there before that. He
Speaker 2: said they set up a big security area around that hangar.
Speaker 2: They were given a shoot secure order to anybody approached
Speaker 2: that anger without the proper authority. But he said he
Speaker 2: didn't stay on that team very long, but he heard
Speaker 2: it didn't stay at the base had long and it
Speaker 2: continued on to write Patterson Air Force Base. And then
Speaker 2: we had other witnesses independently who contacted us who taught
Speaker 2: us exactly we're building that thing ended up at a
Speaker 2: right Patterson Air Force Base that today, of course, we
Speaker 2: have no idea.
Speaker 1: Wow, well, Stan, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop you right
Speaker 1: there for now. We have to go take a break.
Speaker 1: But when we come back, we're gonna be talking more
Speaker 1: with Stan Gordon about the Kexburg UFO incident and other
Speaker 1: incidents uh that happening around in Pennsylvania. So don't go away.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back here on KGRA dB the Global
Speaker 1: Radio Alliance. We'll be right back and welcome back everybody
Speaker 1: to Unknown Origins Radio. Here on the Global Radio Alliance.
Speaker 1: I'm Mark Johnson along with Kirie and Versace and Lauren
Speaker 1: de Pento, and we're talking with Stan Gordon, who is
Speaker 1: a UFO researcher in Pennsylvania and a Bigfoot researcher as well,
Speaker 1: and we're going to kind of cover the whole gamut tonight.
Speaker 1: But we before we went to break, we were talking
Speaker 1: about the Kesburg UFO incident. And Stan You were mentioning
Speaker 1: about how the report seemed to be that the UFO,
Speaker 1: after it was recovered by the US military, was transported
Speaker 1: off to Wright Patterson Air Force Base, never to be
Speaker 1: seen again. Is there any other information about what happened
Speaker 1: after that?
Speaker 2: Now we know exactly what building was taken to. It
Speaker 2: wasn't the so called famous Hangar eighteen. It was another
Speaker 2: warehouse building. But where again that today we have no idea,
Speaker 2: But I continue to get some input from different people
Speaker 2: over the years, even recent years, of others who were involved.
Speaker 2: You don't remember a lot of people who were involved
Speaker 2: back in those days. And we're out there that night.
Speaker 2: What I may not have mentioned to you was the fact,
Speaker 2: you know, this was a big news story that night,
Speaker 2: and it's being broadcast on TV and radio stations all
Speaker 2: over the Pittsburgh area. So Pittsburgh's sall thirty thirty five
Speaker 2: forty miles from there into Kexsburg. So as this report's
Speaker 2: coming out, hundreds of people began to descend on this
Speaker 2: little farming community from all over western Pennsylvania. And people
Speaker 2: were trying to get down in the woods to see
Speaker 2: what this thing was, and of course are being stopped
Speaker 2: by the authorities locally, they can't get down to the area.
Speaker 2: Not only did you have a lot of civilians, but
Speaker 2: he had news reporters from all over the Pittsburgh Gary
Speaker 2: on the scene themselves from the Pittsburgh radio and TV
Speaker 2: and newspapers, and like Bob Gaddy, who was a reporter
Speaker 2: from the local Tribute Review. He wanted to get down
Speaker 2: into the woods, was prevented from doing so by the authorities.
Speaker 2: And when he said, what ify godown, he said, he'll
Speaker 2: be arrested. What if you try to get down He'll
Speaker 2: be arrested. And so there was a huge amount of
Speaker 2: interest and response that night. And you know, there's so
Speaker 2: much more of the story, and there's so many mysterious
Speaker 2: little aspects to it, intriguing little aspects to it, and
Speaker 2: maybe so night we can just really focus on that case.
Speaker 2: But you know, we continue to keep an open mind
Speaker 2: as to the origin of the object. I mean, you've
Speaker 2: got to remember this is the early days of the
Speaker 2: space program. It seeks relatively large. This thing is one
Speaker 2: solid piece of metal with no riven marks in the
Speaker 2: world marks and the seams it's making turn along its
Speaker 2: path and it makes a slow descent and there's no
Speaker 2: parachutes and whatever this thing was, whatever it was, apparently
Speaker 2: it was of much interest for the military to respond
Speaker 2: the way they did. They come out that of old
Speaker 2: farming community, and many people have gone on public record,
Speaker 2: and there's many many others whose statements I have, who
Speaker 2: have never gone public. And I start to bring up
Speaker 2: the fact that back in those days, a lot of
Speaker 2: the witnesses were children and teenagers, and these people grew
Speaker 2: up to be very reputable people, know, from police officers
Speaker 2: to school teachers, the scientists, people on law, very reputable
Speaker 2: people who had no reason to make up their stories.
Speaker 2: And in fact, the high percentage of people I've interviewed
Speaker 2: even today, I've never gone public, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people have. And it's very unfortunate that many, many of
Speaker 2: the key witnesses have now passed away. The last Textsburgh
Speaker 2: firem who was involved with the operation that night, Bob Bitner,
Speaker 2: passed away in recent weeks as well. And the Kexbrook
Speaker 2: fireman had some of your own personnel who were on
Speaker 2: the scene and helping to close roads off on direct
Speaker 2: traff that night. But all those fellows now are gone,
Speaker 2: and so it's a very very intriguing story, and there's
Speaker 2: so much more to it than and he was have
Speaker 2: all the answers for and hopefully Sunday we'll know more.
Speaker 1: What do you In comparison with the Roswell crash, Roswell
Speaker 1: started off very small. In fact, it never really got
Speaker 1: its media legs until later years. I mean, obviously, the
Speaker 1: Air Force prematurely released the press release saying that they
Speaker 1: had a downcraft. Then they come back with the cover
Speaker 1: story saying it was a weather balloon, you know, which
Speaker 1: was a huge faux pa that they've never recovered from
Speaker 1: despite all of their claims. And what was the latest
Speaker 1: Now they're saying there was crash test dummies where the
Speaker 1: alien But you know, Roswell is the one thing that's
Speaker 1: that's really ingrained in American culture. But it sounds like
Speaker 1: the Kechsburg UFO actually had more witnesses to the craft
Speaker 1: coming down, and there was more public response and public
Speaker 1: witnesses on the scene before the military took control. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of curious why if you talk to a
Speaker 1: lot of people you mentioned Kecksburg, they look at you
Speaker 1: kind of funny, they talked Roswell, then they automatically know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. It was wondering why you think
Speaker 1: maybe it hasn't captured the public imagination as much as
Speaker 1: Rowe Roswell Crash.
Speaker 2: Well, in this area it's very well known, I mean
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. In this area, it's very well known. I
Speaker 2: mean a lot of the newspapers around the country, the
Speaker 2: culture Roswell of the East. It has been on you know,
Speaker 2: we've done a number of shows for History and Discovery
Speaker 2: Channel and the Sci Fi Channel and you know, the
Speaker 2: Unsolved Mysteries and many other shows. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: natural international interests on the case, and it's getting to
Speaker 2: be very very well known out there. But yes, it's
Speaker 2: not nearly as well known as Roswell.
Speaker 1: Now, you've mentioned when we first started the show that
Speaker 1: you were working on a lot of more recent UFO cases.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could talk about those.
Speaker 2: Well, there's been sighting is going on all year in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: And my recommendation me for people done on my website
Speaker 2: and they can read a lot of the reports are
Speaker 2: on the website which they can get a Stan Gordon
Speaker 2: dot info I NFO and don't be able to look
Speaker 2: an theer news and events or under UFO category and
Speaker 2: find a lot of reports and also under special reports,
Speaker 2: and there's been a lot of study, but even this
Speaker 2: past November has been unusually active with some very very
Speaker 2: good reports. And of course, one thing I'll let me
Speaker 2: tell you right from the start of the literally thousands
Speaker 2: of cases I've investigator over the years, I've been doing
Speaker 2: this now for over fifty three years. Believe it or not,
Speaker 2: I have never seen a UFO or a big foot myself.
Speaker 2: I've seen evidence we've obtained from various locations and incidents,
Speaker 2: but I've never personally seen one. Talked to thousands of
Speaker 2: people of very credible people who have I believe without
Speaker 2: any doubt that there are things out there we've don't
Speaker 2: have the answers for. But I will also say that
Speaker 2: the high percentage of incidents over the is when you
Speaker 2: properly investigate them, many are determined to be the national
Speaker 2: or man made origin. And that comes in all types
Speaker 2: of paranormal phenomena. I mean, I was involved in lawn
Speaker 2: the haunting activities cases back in the sixties and the seventies.
Speaker 2: I was getting caught out to investigate different things, and again,
Speaker 2: a lot of things are explainable, but there are some
Speaker 2: cases you cannot easually dismiss. And this goes on year
Speaker 2: after year. But I'll give you some example November sixteenth.
Speaker 2: We're still looking into case from November sixteenth of this year.
Speaker 2: It was a real intriguing day. Apparently there were multiple
Speaker 2: reports from both western and eastern parts of Pennsylvania of
Speaker 2: various type of UFO activity and came into different sources.
Speaker 2: We are actually looking into what we were examining two
Speaker 2: video footages we have right now from two different sources,
Speaker 2: and other still pictures concerning some of these events of
Speaker 2: November sixteenth. But there were various types of objects reported.
Speaker 2: Some people up in western PA reporting like a series
Speaker 2: of three luminous objects and close formation are joined doing
Speaker 2: the close triangular formation. But the more interesting reports are
Speaker 2: then in eastern Pennsylvania, and this is mainly between five
Speaker 2: and six o'clock in the afternoon, and there were sightings
Speaker 2: near the Pennsylvania Turnpike where apparently different people saw this
Speaker 2: formation of three boomerang shaped objects relatively low in the sky,
Speaker 2: tight formation only three white non blinking lights at the
Speaker 2: bottom and said as some interesting reports. And we're working
Speaker 2: on trying to track down and figure out what these
Speaker 2: things were, And so we're still in the analytical aspects
Speaker 2: of this, and we have a lot of sources we're
Speaker 2: in contact with right now. We're trying to see what
Speaker 2: more we can find out. But a lot of other
Speaker 2: cases this year and some of the sightings we've had
Speaker 2: have been very very intriguing. You know, we back in
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies, and even going back in the
Speaker 2: fifties and sixties and seventies and eighties used to get
Speaker 2: a lot of what I call the classic UFO cases,
Speaker 2: which you don't hear about that often anymore. You get
Speaker 2: a lot of lights in the sky and you know,
Speaker 2: spherical objects or whatever, but you don't generally get these
Speaker 2: reports like we got of these large structured craft, you know,
Speaker 2: chasing vehicles and hovering over cars and the power would
Speaker 2: go out and things landing and fields. Those were not
Speaker 2: that uncommon back in the early days when I was investigating,
Speaker 2: and they were many were very close rings, very detailed observations,
Speaker 2: many in daylight. But we've had some very good reports
Speaker 2: this year, Some very close up and very very detailed
Speaker 2: reports have coming. Like I said, even the last few
Speaker 2: months and weeks, we're hatting a lot of trianglar objects.
Speaker 2: Cigar shaped objects occasionally get disc shaped objects. One case
Speaker 2: that was very, very fascinating, and this is something a
Speaker 2: lot of people were not aware of. But I began
Speaker 2: investigating these cases back in the sixties. You know, most
Speaker 2: people when they think of UFOs, they think about your
Speaker 2: typical saucer or disc shaped object, or the the cigar
Speaker 2: or rectangular objects, trianglar objects, but a lot of people
Speaker 2: weren't aware do Some of these objects range anywhere from
Speaker 2: a few inches about a foot in diameter. Most are
Speaker 2: spherical objects, but I've had reports of more elongated winds
Speaker 2: as well. But over the years, I've had incidents where
Speaker 2: people had open windows in their cars or in their homes,
Speaker 2: and these small spheres went inside the choir inside of
Speaker 2: the houses. And many, many years ago, there was a
Speaker 2: case up towards Bunks of Plenty I recall where a
Speaker 2: woman had told me how one of these small spheres
Speaker 2: had come into her kitchen, was floating around in the
Speaker 2: kitchen and she grabbed her room was sort of striped
Speaker 2: to hitting it, and she said it split into two
Speaker 2: identical objects. They floated around the room and they went
Speaker 2: back out the window. But more recently very interesting case
Speaker 2: already summon the report. This was July thirtieth of this year,
Speaker 2: five o'clock in the afternoon, on a beautiful afternoon. A
Speaker 2: fella is riding down Interstate eighty outside of Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Again it's beautiful, clear sky and it's relatively warm as
Speaker 2: low humid, and he had the windows down. He's riding
Speaker 2: out there in his vehicle and as he's looking out
Speaker 2: the passenger side towards the pass side window, here's this white, translucent,
Speaker 2: solid round object about the diameter of a softball that
Speaker 2: was just staying right outside the window. And this object
Speaker 2: was not luminous, and he said the sphere may have
Speaker 2: been a little more open shaped than a softball in shape.
Speaker 2: But it paced a vehicle as he was moving down
Speaker 2: the road at a high rate of speed, and then
Speaker 2: it floated into the camp through the open window. And
Speaker 2: as the man watched the object drop slowly to the
Speaker 2: floorboard slowly moved toward the driver along the floor And
Speaker 2: as he continued to watch, he said he could see
Speaker 2: through the sphere and that it said the surface of
Speaker 2: the object had been crisscrossed and divided by a line
Speaker 2: of was a quarter inch in width, and he said
Speaker 2: it looked similar to a vein that was darker than
Speaker 2: the object, and saw of a great color. And he
Speaker 2: said he became concerned, and he was taking his foot
Speaker 2: off the accelerators. He was a concentrating more on the
Speaker 2: object than on the roadway. And the object began to
Speaker 2: slowly move along the floor then proceeded up the hump
Speaker 2: in the middle of the floorboard, continued on to move
Speaker 2: toward the driver's seat. When it reached his right foot,
Speaker 2: it suddenly stopped, reversed direction until it became centered on
Speaker 2: the hump, departed, and then it departed the truck by
Speaker 2: passing through the seat, the back of the cab, and
Speaker 2: out the better of the moving vehicle. He said, he
Speaker 2: watched this thing tell you about thirty to forty five seconds.
Speaker 2: And I mean, the guy's a very incredible witness. And
Speaker 2: why would you make up such a story.
Speaker 1: So the orb actually moved or the object moved through
Speaker 1: solid matter at the end to go out of the truck. Now, see,
Speaker 1: those types of anomalies are interesting because there have been
Speaker 1: a couple of I know a couple of people who've
Speaker 1: seen them. There's a friend of mine in Ohio's name
Speaker 1: is Tim Stover. He's a bigfoot researcher with the Ohio
Speaker 1: BIGFN Hunters and he has had first hand witness of
Speaker 1: those types of objects out in the woods. He even
Speaker 1: accidentally caught one on video one night while he was
Speaker 1: out doing one of his reports. That was intrigued me
Speaker 1: because the object actually passed behind one tree in front
Speaker 1: of another, giving it the depth. And even members of
Speaker 1: my own family. I have family out in Colorado who
Speaker 1: over the years, around their property out in the woods
Speaker 1: and Pike National Forest, have seen these white balls of light,
Speaker 1: not exactly uspit these white balls floating around on their
Speaker 1: front porch or around their property. They see it come
Speaker 1: pass by the window and they have no idea what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: And this may be a good time to begin to
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about our experiences in the nineteen
Speaker 2: seventies when we found some very interesting evidence with UFOs
Speaker 2: and bigfoot, and you know, I started to have contact
Speaker 2: with numerous bigfoot research especially back in the seventies. That's
Speaker 2: where I began to publish on my findings of the
Speaker 2: investigation we did out in the woods and spent many,
Speaker 2: many many hours day and night during this massive outbreak
Speaker 2: in the seventies we'll talk about, but all over the
Speaker 2: country there were other researchers in another part, especially in
Speaker 2: Washington State and other places where there was a lot
Speaker 2: of reports of luminous lights and spheres, and at the
Speaker 2: same time in the same area where a lot of
Speaker 2: Bigfoot activity was going on, and it's still going on today,
Speaker 2: because I know even this year, there have been other
Speaker 2: bigfoot researchers out doing other field investigations looking for Bigfoot
Speaker 2: evidence and instead they came across UFO activity. Instead, they
Speaker 2: weren't looking for There's a lot more of this phenomenon
Speaker 2: that many people understand. I surely don't have the answers,
Speaker 2: but I can tell you from the cases I investigated,
Speaker 2: we need to keep an open mind because there's more
Speaker 2: to this than we have any idea of. Well.
Speaker 1: I also think, and not only with Bigfoot activity, even
Speaker 1: a regular ghost or spirit activity seems to be very
Speaker 1: much interconnected with a lot of UFO activity. You know,
Speaker 1: We've talked with Stan Romanek who he's had his multiple
Speaker 1: UFO experiences, and one of the things he talks about
Speaker 1: is dealing with ghost type activity in his house, serp
Speaker 1: or even poultergeist activity, right.
Speaker 2: And I was probably one of the first researchers that
Speaker 2: got involved in the early days in some of the
Speaker 2: alleged abduction cases, so I was pretty familiar what was
Speaker 2: going on with a lot of these people, and I
Speaker 2: worked with many of them in Pennsylvania, and a lot
Speaker 2: of these people, of course, talked about a lot of
Speaker 2: paranormal phenomena and even porter geates phenomena some cases, and
Speaker 2: many of them talked about seeing these small spheres of
Speaker 2: light that enter their homes and either encounters they had
Speaker 2: as well with them.
Speaker 1: It's it makes you realize that sometimes a lot of
Speaker 1: this activity is more interconnected than you'd think. I know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in the paranormal ghost hunting
Speaker 1: field who absolutely don't want to hear anything about UFOs
Speaker 1: or Bigfoot, and the same thing people in the UFO
Speaker 1: fields think that, you know, ghosts are bunk, and people in.
Speaker 2: The bigfoot field doesn't want to connect Bigfoot in UFOs exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, because they feel like it discredits their research chacktly.
Speaker 2: But my position as a serious investigator is this is
Speaker 2: what we found, this is what we documented. We don't
Speaker 2: have the answer to what's going on. But we're not
Speaker 2: going to hide it pretend it didn't happen, because you know,
Speaker 2: we don't have the answers we want to share with
Speaker 2: other people out there to try to get other input
Speaker 2: and try to learn more about what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's again, it's a fascinating subject. I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: much interesting information out there now. In some of the
Speaker 1: cases that you looked into. Can you talk about somewhere
Speaker 1: there were both bigfoot and UFOs involved in the same case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's go back a number of years. Let's
Speaker 2: go back to nineteen seventy three. As you recall, I
Speaker 2: mentioned my first group, the Westmore County UFO Study Group
Speaker 2: I founded in nineteen seventy and we had our teams
Speaker 2: out there responded to the case of Dayta. We all
Speaker 2: did this around our full time jobs, but I hadn't
Speaker 2: set up that we could actually get teams or investigators
Speaker 2: on the scene within minister hours in many cases. And
Speaker 2: that's what we did, and that's why we came up
Speaker 2: with such good data because we were right there as
Speaker 2: it was occurring, right after it happened. And by nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy three, the group became so involved and we were
Speaker 2: very very active out there, and because of the type
Speaker 2: of people we had in the group, a lot of
Speaker 2: themarties began to look at us very seriously, and many
Speaker 2: of our reports were coming to us from the state Police,
Speaker 2: the different agencies across Pennsylvania, the news media. So we
Speaker 2: were a lot of cases were being referred to us
Speaker 2: to investigate, and we were very lucky that we were
Speaker 2: already set up when this event began in nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 2: And some of your listeners will remember, in the fall
Speaker 2: of nineteen seventy three, United States experienced a massive way
Speaker 2: of UFO sightings. It was probably one of the biggest
Speaker 2: waves ever in history, and it was making the local
Speaker 2: and national news and evening news for weeks across the
Speaker 2: United States. Back in Pennsylvania, it started the first day
Speaker 2: of the year with UFOs fightings and it continued all
Speaker 2: year long to the last day of the year, where
Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of UFO cases investigating. We were investing
Speaker 2: across Pennsylvania, many of these which I detailed my book
Speaker 2: Solid Invasion to Pennsyvan, the UFO Big Foo Casebook. It's
Speaker 2: the focus of that book. These events will barely be
Speaker 2: able to touch on tonight, but as it was amazing
Speaker 2: time to live through. A lot of these UFLO cases
Speaker 2: were not lights in the sky, but they were large
Speaker 2: structured craft. There were cart chases and landings and called
Speaker 2: just very very interesting cases. With the incident she could
Speaker 2: not easily dismiss. So we had all this UFO activity
Speaker 2: going on. But then the summer of seventy three became
Speaker 2: a really amazing time to live through. And this is
Speaker 2: because we had this massive outbreak of big foot sightings
Speaker 2: that started first in southwestern Pennsylvania and then began to
Speaker 2: go to continue to occur throughout other parts of the state,
Speaker 2: eastern parts of the state, other parts of the state.
Speaker 2: But western BA was very very active with reports, and
Speaker 2: many of these were daylight sightings where people were really
Speaker 2: close to these creatures. In some cases there were multiple
Speaker 2: creature reports, generally seven to nine foot tall, long arms
Speaker 2: covered with hair, generally no neck. Interestingly, sometimes was in
Speaker 2: the dark of eyes that glowed self luminescent eyes that
Speaker 2: glowed various colors, mainly red or orange, red green. Sometimes
Speaker 2: that coming by a very strong odor generally described as
Speaker 2: like rotten eggs sulfurs. Something had been dead for a
Speaker 2: long time, but the smell was not common in all cases.
Speaker 2: And again, many of these settings were in daylight, multiple witnesses,
Speaker 2: sometimes multiple creatures, and if you look at the series
Speaker 2: of reports in the book, you'll see sometimes there were
Speaker 2: many reports on the same day from wild, widespread areas,
Speaker 2: so we knew we were dealing with multiple creatures. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just one or one group of creatures moving around.
Speaker 2: And you know, when I started, I started looking into
Speaker 2: big foot sitings in Pennsylvania in the late nineteen sixties,
Speaker 2: and I, of course, I was always aware of that
Speaker 2: there had been a history of bigfoot activity in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: from the Native American reports to the newspaper storys going
Speaker 2: back to eighteen hundreds, but I didn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of information on more current reports. So I began to
Speaker 2: look into some of those reports as I was getting them,
Speaker 2: and I had always gone into this very open mind
Speaker 2: to lay and of course there were misidentifications and there
Speaker 2: were some hoaxes at times, but the case of the
Speaker 2: thing to be, you know, came from confident people sometimes
Speaker 2: with various evidence we found out in the field. My
Speaker 2: feeling was from the start, we're probably dealing with some
Speaker 2: type of unknown primates, and that's what I was always
Speaker 2: very open minded to, and I still keep an open
Speaker 2: mind today because I surely don't have the answer as
Speaker 2: to what's taking place. But as these events are unfolding,
Speaker 2: this major event up time about with Bigfoot started basically
Speaker 2: in the summer, but it continued into nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 2: and again we had our teams out there. I was
Speaker 2: out there day and night responding these cases, myself and
Speaker 2: other team members. And as the reports kept coming in,
Speaker 2: a lot of the reports come in started getting much stranger,
Speaker 2: and a lot of these calls were initially come into
Speaker 2: the police departments or the news media, and people weren't
Speaker 2: seeking publicity. They were scared to death. They couldn't believe
Speaker 2: they were experiencing what they were experiencing, and they were
Speaker 2: just calling because they went to get some answers to
Speaker 2: what was going on. But while we're out in the field,
Speaker 2: we're finding some odd things. We're seeing case where there's
Speaker 2: trails of footprints that that suddenly stuff and disappear when
Speaker 2: there should have been more tracks. For example, people coming
Speaker 2: to us with really weird stories, like one guy tells
Speaker 2: how the Bigfoot walked out in front of his car,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden that the modus started spluttering
Speaker 2: and the power started going out. Things like that. Even
Speaker 2: though that's not that common, it's not the only case
Speaker 2: around the country where that's been reported. But as time
Speaker 2: went on, some really odd things began to come to
Speaker 2: our attention. And one of the first stories that came
Speaker 2: to our attention.
Speaker 1: Actually, what I'm going to do is I've apologized for
Speaker 1: interrupt you. I'm going to hold you on that thought.
Speaker 1: For that story. We do have to go to break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, I definitely want to hear where
Speaker 1: this one's gonna go. So everyone's stay tuned. You're listening
Speaker 1: to Unknown Origins Radio here on kg R a dB,
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Speaker 1: back everybody to Unknown Origins Radio here on the Global
Speaker 1: Radio Alliance. I'm your host, Mark Johnson, along with Lauren
Speaker 1: de Pento and Carrie and Versace, and we're talking with
Speaker 1: UFO researcher in bigfoot hunter, Stan Gordon and Stan just
Speaker 1: before we went to the break, you were about to
Speaker 1: tell us about a UFO story.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, back to seventy three again and all these
Speaker 2: big foot reports are coming in, and then we started
Speaker 2: to get some very strange aspects of the phenomena. One
Speaker 2: of the first cases was outside of Greensburg. I got
Speaker 2: a call from my wife, a prominent doctor to live
Speaker 2: in a rural area if she had this large boomerang
Speaker 2: shaped object covering low over the woods near her homes
Speaker 2: that day and had smelled this real strong soul for odor.
Speaker 2: And then a few hours later she here at gunshots
Speaker 2: coming from right down the street and found out later
Speaker 2: that her neighbor had gone to see what was bothering
Speaker 2: the dog to find this large hairy creature going after
Speaker 2: their dog, and he got his rifle and began to
Speaker 2: fire this thing the shooting, this thing hasn't ran off
Speaker 2: into the woods, so he thought that's pretty interesting. We
Speaker 2: have a UFO sighting, and then we have a bigfoot
Speaker 2: report right in the same area with it a short
Speaker 2: time later. As weeks went on, the reports got much
Speaker 2: more interesting. September twenty seventh, up in north of Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: with the Isle Line, two women were outside waiting for
Speaker 2: a friend to pick them up. They see this huge,
Speaker 2: hairy bigfoot creature which is covered with kind of a
Speaker 2: whitish hair, which you don't hear about that often, but
Speaker 2: occasion we get report to white ones as well. So
Speaker 2: it was strange enough to see this large, hairy creature
Speaker 2: running across the road towards the woods, but in one
Speaker 2: of its hands it was carrying a small luminous globe
Speaker 2: of light. And they ran and told the father what
Speaker 2: happened on the property, and he went down in the woods.
Speaker 2: And while he's down in the woods, this object comes
Speaker 2: across the sky and a beam of light comes down
Speaker 2: from that object, which he thought it first was an airplane,
Speaker 2: projects a bm light down into the woods where the object,
Speaker 2: or where the creature had ran into. So here we
Speaker 2: go again, here's a big foot type creature carrying a
Speaker 2: glowing sphere of light in one of its hands. And
Speaker 2: then another case occurred, which is probably the classic case.
Speaker 2: And we could talk for hours just about this case,
Speaker 2: but I'll just give you a brief rundown. I go
Speaker 2: into the entire case in my books, Alid Invasion. It's
Speaker 2: probably the weirdest case ever on record. And like I said,
Speaker 2: we don't have time to get into the whole thing.
Speaker 2: But the October twenty fifth, nineteen seventy three, there was
Speaker 2: a lot of reports all day long of UFO, i'd
Speaker 2: give it around Pennsylvania. But about ten thirty that night,
Speaker 2: I get a call from the state trooper from the
Speaker 2: State Police Bricks in Uniontown up in Fayette County, which
Speaker 2: is an area where there's a lot of history, a
Speaker 2: lot of ongoing phenomena, and Fayette County is one of
Speaker 2: those counties which borders along the Chestnut Ridge, and the
Speaker 2: Chestnut Ridge is a mountain range at one hundred miles
Speaker 2: long that runs from Preston County, West Virginia, through West Mooren,
Speaker 2: Fayette and Indiana County at Southwest Pa. That area is
Speaker 2: probably one of the hottest yearly areas for bigfoot activity
Speaker 2: and another phenomena as well. And anyhow, the state cooper
Speaker 2: called me and he said he just came back from
Speaker 2: investigating this incident and he thought it was possible that
Speaker 2: something was still up in the pasture and he wanted
Speaker 2: me to get a team up there right away. And
Speaker 2: one of the key witnesses was at the State Police
Speaker 2: Bricks with him, so I interviewed him. What I find
Speaker 2: out was about nine o'clock that night, about fifteen people
Speaker 2: in this small world community out there, they observed this
Speaker 2: object that looks about as big as a barn. It's
Speaker 2: a bright red spherical object about one hundred feet or
Speaker 2: so off the above the ground, and it's slowly moving
Speaker 2: down towards the pasture. So the farmer and his wife
Speaker 2: were coming out to visit his dad, who owned the farm.
Speaker 2: They're coming down the farm lane, they slide and he
Speaker 2: went up to a neighbor's house so they can get
Speaker 2: a different perspective of it. And they're watching this thing
Speaker 2: coming down towards the pasture. So he and two young
Speaker 2: boys decide they were going to go up into the
Speaker 2: pasture to see what this was all about. Before they went,
Speaker 2: he stopped in his dad's home and he grabbed a rifle,
Speaker 2: grabbed the thirty odd six and some ammunition, which included
Speaker 2: some tracer rounds. And as they're riding down the farm
Speaker 2: road towards the pasture, and as it's getting closer in
Speaker 2: the distance, here dogs are going crazy. They are a
Speaker 2: high pitched whining sound and he had like a baby
Speaker 2: crying sound. As it gets closer, of course, it's getting louder.
Speaker 2: So they parked the truck on an angle. They have
Speaker 2: the headlights on him. They can see where they're going,
Speaker 2: and they noticed that the power seems to be draining,
Speaker 2: which had normally not happened before, but it's something had
Speaker 2: been calmly reported with UFO incidents. And they make their
Speaker 2: way up to the pasture, and when they get up there,
Speaker 2: they're pretty much shocked by what they're seeing. About two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty feet away, the object is on the
Speaker 2: ground or right above the ground, but now it's bright white,
Speaker 2: and it's like half the sphere. It's like a hemisphere
Speaker 2: with the flat bottom towards the ground or right on
Speaker 2: the ground, and it's illuminating the whole field, and it's
Speaker 2: making this real high pitched whining sound, and they're just
Speaker 2: can't believe what they're seeing or looking this thing and
Speaker 2: watching this thing. But then their attention is drawing about
Speaker 2: seventy five feet away to a barbed wire fence line,
Speaker 2: and along that barbed wire fence line there's these two
Speaker 2: tall creatures slowly walking in their direction, one behind the other.
Speaker 2: The first lot was they got to be bare, and
Speaker 2: then as they're watching, they're realizing these things are walking upright.
Speaker 2: The first one's about eight foot tall, the other one
Speaker 2: is eighty seven foot tall. They're covered with long, dark
Speaker 2: matted hair. Their arms are down almost to the ground.
Speaker 2: They have glow throwing green eyes or making this baby
Speaker 2: crying sound. There's a smell like burning rubber in the air,
Speaker 2: and these things are walking slowly, one behind the other. Well,
Speaker 2: the one boy's really upsetting his arm. Shoot him, shoot him.
Speaker 2: So the guy finally fires the tracer. That tracers just
Speaker 2: gonna give that instant flash of light, So he fires
Speaker 2: one tracer, he fires a second tracer, and when he
Speaker 2: fires that second tracer, the largest out the two creatures
Speaker 2: makes a whining sound and reaches out as to grab
Speaker 2: that tracer, and the moment it does, the object in
Speaker 2: the field disappears. It vanishes. It's not there anymore. It's gone.
Speaker 2: The glow is gone, the high pitched whining sound has gone.
Speaker 2: Everything turns dark. The creatures turn around that slowly start
Speaker 2: walking back in the office direction, back towards the woods. Well,
Speaker 2: the one kid, at some point he runs out of
Speaker 2: the whiz. He's so scared. And this guy now shooting,
Speaker 2: begins to shoot live ammo at them. And this guy's
Speaker 2: bey hunting for years, and he said, he always told
Speaker 2: me how he remembered the glowing green eyes, that they
Speaker 2: were staring at him with those glowing green eyes and
Speaker 2: was shooting right into him, and they weren't stopping, they
Speaker 2: weren't being injured. He couldn't understand why he didn't bring
Speaker 2: it one of them down because he was shooting at him.
Speaker 2: He had been hunting for years and just didn't make
Speaker 2: any sense. And they finally ran out of there and
Speaker 2: they went back to the farmhouse. They told the family
Speaker 2: what happened. So he took him to a neighbor and
Speaker 2: they called the state police. So about forty five minutes later,
Speaker 2: the trooper arrives on the scene. I'm here to investigate
Speaker 2: the incident. And the guy said, yeah, I just forget
Speaker 2: about it. You know, you know you're gonna think I'm
Speaker 2: not to say that. Trooper said, there was a report
Speaker 2: of two other creatures on the mountain last night. I
Speaker 2: have to investigate. So they go up to the patrol
Speaker 2: car and they go up in the area where the
Speaker 2: object had been on the ground, and the trooper told
Speaker 2: me that that whole area was self luminescent, glowing about
Speaker 2: one hundred hundred and fifty feet diamember. He said it
Speaker 2: was bright enough if he had a newspaper, he could
Speaker 2: have sat down within it and reads the newspaper from
Speaker 2: the light coming off of it. The form animals wouldn't
Speaker 2: go anywhere near it, and other things began to happen.
Speaker 2: It destroy gets deeper and deeper and stranger and stranger,
Speaker 2: and we can't even get into all of it today.
Speaker 2: But you know, again it's mentioned in the Solid Invasion book.
Speaker 2: And I want to give you some other input of
Speaker 2: some other case, because I know you don't have much time,
Speaker 2: But I want to tell you of another case that
Speaker 2: gave us some information as to why we may not
Speaker 2: have any bodies of any of these bigfoot creatures.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you want to talk about that now,
Speaker 1: we can't sure they'd be fine.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, you know, as I mentioned earlier, I've always
Speaker 2: been very open minded to the bigfoot phenomena and what
Speaker 2: they might be. But you know, in the years since
Speaker 2: the seventies, I've worked on hundreds of big foot sightings
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. You know, We've gotten castle footprints, and we've
Speaker 2: seen other evidence out there, and I'm firmly convinced that
Speaker 2: very credible people have been seeing and coming across some
Speaker 2: type of unknown special of some type of creature out there.
Speaker 2: The question is why don't we have more physical evidence.
Speaker 2: And by now, after all these years, from throughout the country,
Speaker 2: throughout many other parts of the world, it doesn't make
Speaker 2: sense that by now we haven't come up with a body.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make any sense. Anyhow, we had some
Speaker 2: incidents during this outbreak of seventy three and seventy four
Speaker 2: that were highly strange which suggested that there may be
Speaker 2: more to the Bigfoot phenomena than just a flashed and
Speaker 2: blood explanation. And the one case it really suggested that
Speaker 2: occurred February sixth and nineteen seventy four, again up in
Speaker 2: the mountains, deep in the mountains of Fayette County. Some
Speaker 2: of your listeners might remember, if they were living back
Speaker 2: at that time, that at that period of time, there
Speaker 2: was a National trucker strike going on and there was
Speaker 2: gas rationing, so I couldn't get up to the Saints
Speaker 2: earlier the next morning. But what I found out was
Speaker 2: the state police had gotten this report about this incident.
Speaker 2: And again going back to the fact that there was
Speaker 2: this National trucker striking, there was shootings going on on
Speaker 2: the highways across the country. There was a lot of
Speaker 2: problems at the time, so the State Police and the
Speaker 2: National Guard were patrolling together. So in this particular incident,
Speaker 2: both National guardsmen and the State Plice responded to this scene.
Speaker 2: What we find out was that night, this woman who's
Speaker 2: lived in with all her life, knows animals very well,
Speaker 2: pretty much, not afraid of anything. She's sitting in her
Speaker 2: in her little cabin home and everything's normal. She began
Speaker 2: to hear out on her porch of her home. She
Speaker 2: had a little power of garbage like garbage can of
Speaker 2: like popcins whatever out there, and Simon was rattling the cans.
Speaker 2: And she had been having trouble with a pack of
Speaker 2: wild dogs previously, so she figured these dogs must have
Speaker 2: come back. So she decided she was a grabber shotgun
Speaker 2: and just opened the door and fire over their head
Speaker 2: and scare the dogs away. So what she do She
Speaker 2: goes over, she loads one chamber of her shotgun, and
Speaker 2: she walks over to the switch that will turn the
Speaker 2: land on the outside porch. She turns on the switch,
Speaker 2: she opens the door and she walks outside. There's no dogs,
Speaker 2: but right there right in front of her, a few
Speaker 2: feet away, and she never ever described this thing, never
Speaker 2: called her a big foot. She said it was a great, big,
Speaker 2: hairy ape. Here's this huge ape like creature with his
Speaker 2: arm straight up over its head. So her reaction is
Speaker 2: this thing's gonna attack me. She fires right into it.
Speaker 2: She said. There's this bright flash of light, like a
Speaker 2: strobe on a camera, and the creature disappeared right in
Speaker 2: front of her. Now, her son in lawn and family
Speaker 2: have lived one hundred feet away, and they heard the gunshot.
Speaker 2: So they called her and asked her what happened, and
Speaker 2: they tried to explain it to her. So the the
Speaker 2: sunolog grabbed his pistols, began to make his way up
Speaker 2: to her home and said he, now, this is a
Speaker 2: really deeply wooded mountainous area. He said, he's surrounded by
Speaker 2: four or five hairy people with highs like coals of fire,
Speaker 2: and he began randomly shooting at him. He ran inside
Speaker 2: the house. At the same time, here's this large object,
Speaker 2: he said, like a big christ of th ornum colored
Speaker 2: lights hovering over the woods. At the same time.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So they called the state police, and I interviewed the
Speaker 2: officer in charge and people involved, and he said but
Speaker 2: they've got It took him while to get up there
Speaker 2: and find the place, but he said, what he got there,
Speaker 2: he said, these people had all kinds of animals, a
Speaker 2: lot of animals, a lot of dogs. And he said,
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened up there, but something really
Speaker 2: weird was going on. And this is something that I
Speaker 2: witnessed myself and other investigators. This is the one thing
Speaker 2: that could not be fabricated, and that is how the
Speaker 2: animals react when they're in a closed proximity to the
Speaker 2: bigfoot creatures really calm and in dogs, even though it
Speaker 2: shows up other domestic inform animals as well, but dogs
Speaker 2: e the most vicious dogs. When these creatures in the distance,
Speaker 2: they bark and they carry on and go crazy. But
Speaker 2: when they're at close range, in most instances, they're completely silent.
Speaker 2: They're almost like a shock. They shiver, they hide, they
Speaker 2: won't bark, they won't move, they won't respond, and sometimes
Speaker 2: even the next day or so, they won't even eat properly. Still,
Speaker 2: and the trooper said, he said, it was amazing to
Speaker 2: go up and see some of these dogs and no sound,
Speaker 2: everything's quiet, none of the dogs responding. He said, he
Speaker 2: physically tried to employ I think it was an eskimo
Speaker 2: spits for one of those big dogs. He tried to
Speaker 2: physically pull one out of its cage, and that dog
Speaker 2: wouldn't even move. He said that dungcheon or ripped his
Speaker 2: arm off and it didn't even move. And they were
Speaker 2: just amazed at how the animals reacted. And that's something
Speaker 2: that we saw ourselves. Now.
Speaker 1: I've read stories with involving Bigfoot possibly using infrasound, and
Speaker 1: in that case, could they possibly, when they're close like that,
Speaker 1: be emitting a type of infrasound that the dogs of
Speaker 1: course can hear, and that could cause them to be
Speaker 1: terrified while nobody else can.
Speaker 2: Hear it exactly. Well, we know for sure that animals
Speaker 2: are very susceptible. They're able to perceive things that we can't,
Speaker 2: and of course with many type of paranormal events, we
Speaker 2: know that cats and dogs react to things that we
Speaker 2: can't experience, and so that is one possibility. Yes, But
Speaker 2: we got out there the next morning. Of course, we're
Speaker 2: interviewing the people out there and we're checking for evidence.
Speaker 2: We're out in the woods. We have an animal officer
Speaker 2: control officer with us, and we find right in line
Speaker 2: in the woods from the portray shot of us, and
Speaker 2: we found the whole bb pattern industry out there where
Speaker 2: she had shot at this thing. And I mean, these
Speaker 2: people had no reason to make up the story. They
Speaker 2: were very very upset, you know, reluctant to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Why wou't you make up such a story. And that
Speaker 2: wasn't the only case we had which suggested that again
Speaker 2: that there was more to the big FoST phenomenon we understood,
Speaker 2: and in fact, that we might be dealing with something
Speaker 2: that has as a physical and non ciscal aspect to it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's physically intact, it looks solid at the
Speaker 2: times at least physical evidence, and then other times it's
Speaker 2: just gone. And you know, when you started looking at
Speaker 2: all these other cases of cryptosiological creatures I've looked into
Speaker 2: here in Pennsylvania, I mean, we looked into besides Mountain
Speaker 2: line reports, which I believe are just an animal which
Speaker 2: continues to exist on occasion rarity, even though officially not
Speaker 2: extinct in the East in Pennsylvania and the eighteen nineties,
Speaker 2: that's a whole different subject. But you got the black
Speaker 2: panther reports, which are very intriguing because they never exist
Speaker 2: in this part of the world, but there are multitudes
Speaker 2: of reports between these large creatures which most people would
Speaker 2: think of as a black leopard or black jaguar. And
Speaker 2: there have been many sightings here Pennsylvania, including this year,
Speaker 2: in recent months, and I've talked to hunters who are
Speaker 2: thirty feet away from them, and we're scared to death.
Speaker 2: And you've got the mothman type reports you have got.
Speaker 2: We can reports all the time for better purbacle and thunderbirds,
Speaker 2: reports of huge birds with giant wingspan that people see.
Speaker 2: In some of the cases we have, they were close enough,
Speaker 2: but you could get a good idea of the wingspan.
Speaker 2: Of course, with so many of these phenomena, just like
Speaker 2: with UFOs, if it's far away, it's hard to attract
Speaker 2: size and altitude. But in some cases we have they
Speaker 2: were extremely close range and on the ground and there
Speaker 2: was a way to get an idea a wingspan. And
Speaker 2: so some of those cases are most intriguing. And then
Speaker 2: we have a whole slew of all kinds of other
Speaker 2: weird creatures that we've looked into. Set The thing is
Speaker 2: just like the famous mothman reports of the nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: six you know here you have a series of events
Speaker 2: going on in West Virginia. They go on for a
Speaker 2: period of time and then suddenly it stops and disappears.
Speaker 2: And if you look historically all over the country, you
Speaker 2: get these periodic outbreaks. We get them in Pennsylvania, you
Speaker 2: get them in Ohio. You had the lizard Man in
Speaker 2: the Carolinas. There's so the chup in Puerto Rico and
Speaker 2: other South American countries. They're real good chup of carpo reports,
Speaker 2: not the reports were getting mainly in the US of
Speaker 2: which might be some type of hybrid animal or something else.
Speaker 2: But these things they come and they go, and there's
Speaker 2: so many things we just don't understand. But you've got
Speaker 2: credible people, and sometimes you got various type of physical
Speaker 2: evidence with substantiates the fact that something was going on.
Speaker 2: But where do these things go to and where do
Speaker 2: they come from? And there's just again, so many mysteries
Speaker 2: out there we don't have the answers for.
Speaker 1: Well, we're coming up on towards the end of the program.
Speaker 1: I do have one last question I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 1: is Pennsylvania, at least in my experiences from what I'm
Speaker 1: hearing around the country seems to be that one area
Speaker 1: that has that hotspot of all this different type of
Speaker 1: activity and where UFOs and bigfoots are reported more together
Speaker 1: then it seems like any other part of the country.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious if you have any theories on why
Speaker 1: you think Pennsylvania is such a hotbed for this type
Speaker 1: of activity compared.
Speaker 2: To other person all, let me say this, there is
Speaker 2: a of all the thousands of UFO case we've looked
Speaker 2: into over years, and in the hundreds of bigfoot cases,
Speaker 2: only a very small percentage of reports seem to have
Speaker 2: bigfoot UFOs with some somehow they're associated, but we don't
Speaker 2: know how or if they're directly associated at all. We
Speaker 2: don't have those answers. The point is, there are well
Speaker 2: substantiated case of UFOs and bigfoot scene together at the
Speaker 2: same time in place. And it's not just in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: It's all over the country. But so many of different
Speaker 2: researchers I talked to and talking to me privately, and
Speaker 2: I know prominent bigfoot researchers out there who have been
Speaker 2: recent years and countered strange orbs and UFOs and weird
Speaker 2: phenomenon while looking at the bigfoot cases and they won't
Speaker 2: publicly talk about it because they're afraid of being ridiculed.
Speaker 2: And I've knowne about this since at least the seventies,
Speaker 2: So it may well be that there's a lot more
Speaker 2: of this may be going on, but we just don't
Speaker 2: have that data. And so you know, we're hoping it
Speaker 2: more and more people. And that's one of the reasons
Speaker 2: why I wrote the Solid Invasion book, to try and
Speaker 2: encourage other witnesses, other investigators to try to be more
Speaker 2: open minded. If you know these things, don't laugh them up,
Speaker 2: investigate them and let other people know what's going on
Speaker 2: so we could try to learn from it.
Speaker 1: Well, Stanza, thank you for coming on tonight and discussing
Speaker 1: all this. And like you said, we could keep going
Speaker 1: on for a long time and I'd be right there
Speaker 1: with you. This is fascinates the heck out of me. Now,
Speaker 1: are you going to be making any public appearances here
Speaker 1: in the near future?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, there's I don't be of course. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be at your event next year, I believe in September,
Speaker 2: and I'll be speaking there. There's many many events I know.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be at the at the mwfon Erie conference
Speaker 2: first time. We already had a conference Erie, Pennsylvania. I
Speaker 2: believe it's in May of this year. I don't have
Speaker 2: the lists in front of me. I'll be at the
Speaker 2: East at the other mufon, the Pittsford MUFON conference. In October,
Speaker 2: I'll be at the Monster Bash and near Butler, PA.
Speaker 2: And there are many many events scheduled and so I
Speaker 2: hope some people stop by and you know, be glad
Speaker 2: to talk to him. If people like to get more
Speaker 2: information on my two books, Solid Invasion de Pennsylvania, a
Speaker 2: bigfootcasebook and Really Mysterious Pennsylvania, Uh, they can get it
Speaker 2: through They can get autograph copies from my website US
Speaker 2: in order of course for Amazon or Borns and Noble
Speaker 2: and other sites as well. And also my documentary KEXT
Speaker 2: for the un Told Story is available through my website
Speaker 2: Stan Gordon dot info as well. But that's the places
Speaker 2: that they can go update on a lot of more
Speaker 2: recent cases, and there's a lot of case on there.
Speaker 2: We hadn't have time to even talk.
Speaker 1: About so real quick before we yes, definitely, and but
Speaker 1: real quick before you go, what else is next for you?
Speaker 1: Do you where do you see your research going? At
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: Well, my research is just a continuation what it's been
Speaker 2: for over fifty three years. And I guess I'm hopeful
Speaker 2: that that next phone call might lead me on to
Speaker 2: that case. It might finally break up in one of
Speaker 2: these cases where we have definitive evidence of something going
Speaker 2: on out there that makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's all what we're all trying to do in in
Speaker 1: the things that we're trying to research, and hopefully, hopefully
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen will be the year for all of us.
Speaker 1: And I also wanted to give a shout out. I
Speaker 1: know that you're good friends with our good friend Eric Altman,
Speaker 1: and Eric will also be at Parafest in September, and
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna have to get Eric back on
Speaker 1: the program here. We haven't had him on in a while,
Speaker 1: and he's always a great guy. I love Eric to death.
Speaker 4: Actually, Eric, it's the one introduce me to Stamp.
Speaker 2: So well, we appreciate them messing us.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, stand again, thank you very much for coming
Speaker 1: on the program tonight. We really appreciate it. We'll definitely
Speaker 1: gonna have to have you back on soon.
Speaker 2: Okay, we appreciate it. Happy holidays to everybody.
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Speaker 1: to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio. I just wanted
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