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Speaker 1: Hey, d Yeah, Jason, what eighties Canadian television show did

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a Lance More set and get her start in?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Let me guess you can't do that

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on television. That's right, don't worry. That'll come out with

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a little water. It's a great idea. I love it.

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You don't have any notes? Do I stress you out?

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Speaker 1: Your sweater's on backwards and inside out.

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Speaker 2: Almost. I thought I'd do it to complete the joke,

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but that would have been weird, have to change clothes

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in front of all of our guests. Welcome back, everybody

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to the surely can't be serious podcast.

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Speaker 1: Wait before you get into this, because I don't want

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you to give away what we're talking about. Of course,

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if somebody clicked on it, they already know.

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Speaker 2: But you can see the background in the screen.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, Well I got a tribute question for

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you regardless.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right? Is it a lota is more set?

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The answer is yes, it is. Okay, pulled the window

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with the envelope up here? Is it perfect? You ought

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to know?

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Speaker 1: Just hang on a second, all right, give me the

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top we'll say, top six selling albums of the nineteen nineties.

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Top six Okay, Nirvana nevermind, No, that's not no, not

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on there real Jim Tin No, uh use your illusion

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one to two.

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Speaker 2: No Metallica black album, Yes, number six. Oh hey, hey, HeLa,

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Well we've actually covered that one. We have. Well, we

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covered all of those. That's true. That's true, we have,

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but none of those. Sound Garden no, uh no, Red

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Hot Chilli Peppers No. Okay, mom Rock what mom rock?

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Mom Rock is the answer to the question. I mean,

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you know, like, so you're telling me I've just got

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number six. So the top five albums are all mom Rock. Yeah. Madonna.

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Speaker 1: Madonna's number ten with the Immaculate Collection. I think that

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was her greatest hits.

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Speaker 2: Okay, mom uh Celein Dion.

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Speaker 1: Celine Dion has the number four and number five slot,

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both both Okay. She was raking in the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on a limb and say, Alanis Moore said,

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Jag a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Jag a little pill is number three. Thirty three million

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copies sold. Okay, Okay, by the way, while you're tossing

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this around in your head, yeah, the top ten, yes

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for the nineties. Yeah, all over thirty million copies sold.

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We'll never see that again.

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Speaker 2: Just just so we're clear on what we're saying this

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More Set Jag Little Pill was the number three best

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selling album of the nineties.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, So I remember how annoying ironic was at

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some point. I guess I love the song now, but

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you heard it so much. So I'm trying to think

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Ace of Basse is to tell me it's not a

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uh and yes, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Number one The Bodyguard is number one, the most forty

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five million copies.

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Speaker 2: So crazy. And so number two is it more? Mom

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Rock is number two of Momrock? Definitely mom Rock? I mean,

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is it what is it? No doubt or jewel? It

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can't be. I don't know. Does your mom feel like

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a woman? Oh? Shanaia Twain, shut up, Shania Twain. Number two? Wow,

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mutt lang, mutt leg Shanaia Twain had the number number two,

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not Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks out of the top ten.

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Speaker 1: Your top ten rounded out by Michael Jackson Dangerous and

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two Backstreet Boys album.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you that of all of the

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top five, there's only one that I'm super excited to

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talk about today, and that's a lot of more set

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Jagged Little Pill, guys, I haven't been this pumped to

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talk about an album in a long time. Don't be wrong.

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I love all of her albums, but this one is

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near and dear to my heart. I saw her in concert.

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down in Dallas. Actually it couldn't have been early because

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we were sitting outside on the lawn and it wasn't freezing,

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so she's been on her way up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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it would have been ninety seven because I was in

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Tulsa by then. I was gonna tell this story when

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we cover the song, but I'll just say ironic. It

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was so overplayed at that point that I was just like, oh, please,

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just please don't even play it. And she did the concert.

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At the concert, really, I know, I just I mean,

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I knew that wasn't gonna happen. But here's what happened.

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and old and that's all she said, and the entire

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whatever five six seven thousand people that were there sang

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the entire rest of the song. She did not she

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just held her microphone out and everybody else sang it.

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tell you. Hairs on my arms in the back of

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my neck were standing up for the entire song. And

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now because of that moment, that experience, it's one of

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my favorites. I love it, man, I love it.

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Speaker 1: You know this album is so improbable of being in

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the top ten. It's a glorified demo album. It's really

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similar to the collective soul Shine. Yeah hints allegations and

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things said, yeah, it was meant to be a demo.

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get her another album.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. And so I really think we need to

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go ahead and dive in just because these songs are

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all so good and there's so much to say about

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her and each one of the songs. But I will

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just tell you as an intro to this song, they

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talked to all of the major record labels after they

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had this demo tape that you're talking about, and then

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they talked to all of the minor record labels and

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everyone said no, thank you. Now, she spent twenty sessions

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with Glynn Ballard, who's who is her co writer on

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this thing. Yeah, twenty sessions, twenty songs. Record company passes

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on all of them. She leaves and they give up. Basically,

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she leaves, he thinks I'm never gonna see this girl again,

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goes home, goes to Canada, spends Christmas, comes back. He's like,

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she's super skinny, super pale. She walks in and her

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sweaters on backwards and inside out, and everything changed at

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that moment. So that takes us into song number one.

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Speaker 1: Song number one is called all I Really Want.

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Speaker 3: Do I stress you at my sweater is on back

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person inside out.

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Speaker 2: Can you say ha.

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Speaker 1: A proprid banger right out of the gate?

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Speaker 2: Man? Oh, it's so freaking good. So tell the story

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that Jim Butler told you about this album.

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Speaker 1: Jim Butler at the Children of the Eighties podcast just

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texted me about five minutes ago and said, you know,

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in college, you know when they're handing out free T

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shirts for credit card sign ups, you know hu.

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Speaker 2: He said he was so dumb that he signed.

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Speaker 1: Up for a credit card, got a free T shirt,

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and used the money that he would have purchased on

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a shirt or something and went and bought Jagged Little

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Speaker 2: Off the shelf, So that's a great buye in my opinion.

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I can't remember how I came across the album. I

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can tell you that in nineteen ninety five and ninety six,

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had a band together, and we had a girl come

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and join us as a singer, and we were I mean,

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we basically learned every song on that album. So I

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can't remember when it came into my wheelhouse. I obviously,

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like everyone else, was totally blown away by the next

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song that we're about to cover, But I can't remember.

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It was just like you just had to have the album.

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Speaker 1: You had to be like Deaf Dave levels of like

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head under the Rocks to not know all the songs

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on this album, right, I mean, you just it was

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just part of life.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knew these songs all up to you, Deaf Dave.

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But yes, you did go hide in the Cave. You've

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told us as much.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So before we go any further, Okay. This album

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was released June thirteenth, nineteen ninety five, sold thirty three

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million copies. It won five Grammy Awards was nominated for nine.

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Here are the awards that it won. Okay, it won

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Album of the Year Best Rock Album, Best Female Rock Performance,

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Best Rock Song, and Best Long Form Music Video. Right, Okay,

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Ballad is the producer of this album. Yeah, I'm sure

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you want to tell the story how they met and

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how they started writing songs. They wanted to write one

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song a day. But he's not nobody, Okay, And I

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sent you this list of the songs that he wrote.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy, right, I know? Okay? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So he wrote hold On by Wilson Phillips, which is

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a big hit from the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 2: I mean's not as long as you were talking about

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Deaf Day, might as well talk about his favorite band's kids. Yep,

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keep going.

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Speaker 1: He wrote Pink by Aerosmith.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He wrote Man in the Mirror by Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Oh your favorite song. I can tell how wrong you

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are about that one, but I'm just impressive. Yes. And

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he wrote wait for It.

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Speaker 1: All I Need by Jack Wagner.

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Speaker 2: It shows up again. Now, is Jack Wagner woven through

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every piece of fabric of every story that we seem

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to tell. It's incredible, It's nuts. And so he met

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her and I think the line is she he like

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is reading her music? Right? And the line that he

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sees is do you hear the sound of pretenses falling?

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And he was like, how do you not want to

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write with a girl who writes like this? And she

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was nineteen years old? Nineteen?

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Speaker 1: It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if you know this or not,

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but she was on a Canadian television show that I

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loved as a kid.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, well, boy, the kid's my worst enemy came

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in here today the City Health inside.

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Speaker 4: After that's too bad, barthy.

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Speaker 1: Did you give him a burger from across the street

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to get him off your back?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 4: I guess we won't be hearing from him anymore. No, no,

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but we'll be tasting him for many weeks to come.

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Speaker 1: Things in the words, oh, did you watch the show?

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Speaker 2: I watched it all the time. I don't think I

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was still watching it when she was on it. I

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watched when Moose and Lisa were on there. I don't

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remember her in particular, but that just you know.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this the other day. So you can't

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do that on television.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that on television, which if you grew

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up with Nickelodeon, and you probably saw a double dare

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and everything was all about the slime. Right fine, Nickelodeon

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made a ton of stuff about slime. It all came

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from you can't do that on television. That's true. You

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remember how you get slimmed. You answered a question I

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don't know, I don't know, you say, I don't know

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on you can't do that on television. You covered slime.

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I did see a clip of her getting slimed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, remember how you got water on poured

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on your head? No, I had to do say water

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so all I really want? Sixth and final single. It

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got to number fourteen on the US Billboard Modern Rock chart.

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There are two songs on this album that made it

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to the Billboard Hot one hundred. I love the story

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about how Maverick backed her.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: They've shopped this album around. They're hopeful that somebody's gonna

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take a bite.

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Speaker 2: Everybody said no.

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Speaker 1: So Maverick was a record label that was brand new

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and owned by Madonna. Well, they had a record guy,

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a twenty two year old kid who was like eighteen.

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Speaker 2: She said they could have gone high school together, like

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they were the same age. He was a little eighteen

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a briefcase that he walked around with and said, whise

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guy on it. You didn't even know what that meant,

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like wise guy records. Right, No, it's great, and yeah,

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go ahead, keep going.

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Speaker 1: Well his name was Guy oh Siri. Yeah, and we'll

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talk about that song here in just a minute. The

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one that they presented, in my opinion, is the worst

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song on this album.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well you're wrong, but okay, okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But that song, which we'll talk about hearing a couple

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of songs. Yeah, she played it for him, he said.

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Twenty seconds in he's like, I'm in, I'm in.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Let's sign this girl. And thirty three million albums later.

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Speaker 2: He sees the beauty that nobody else saw and he's

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I listened to him describe this, and he's like, not

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only do you have these lyrics, but then she'll like

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what she does with her voice, and she'll grind in

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these parts that just it turns it. And I've listened

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to her talk about it. She's like, you know, your

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voice is like it's like the paint, and I like

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splashing the paint around, you know, and you make the

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voice serve the words that you've created and that that's

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so she does it, and she really does a great job.

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these wonderful lyrics. So of course she meets Madonna later,

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you know, this is Madonna's label or whatever. And right

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before she meets Madonna, like right before she gets to

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the meeting, she gets held up at gunpoint. Alanis Morrisett

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gets held up at gunpoint. Okay, so like when she's

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you know, she's like comes from being held up into

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the record label to meet Madonna for the first time.

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And so they're telling Madonna and she's like overhearing this

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in the hall. They're like, okay, well, you know she's

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she might be a little like nervous. You know, she

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just got held up at gunpoint. And Madonna's like, ah,

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I wish I had been held up. That's such a

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great story. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that when she was held up, she

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was willing to give the guy anything, but she had

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some of the demos in her backpack for a jagged

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little pill. Oh She's like, I was willing to give

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them my purse, my wallet, all of my money. She's like,

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but I really really did not want to give them.

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Was in my backpack? Right, they take that and we

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don't have the album we got today.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: All they wanted was her purse basically, and.

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Speaker 2: That was it. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know if you ever had

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to read Great Expectations.

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Speaker 2: I might have had to read it. I don't think

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that I did read it though, right there with you.

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Speaker 1: But there's a character from Great Expectations mentioned in this song. Okay,

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Stella Ah, Yes, that's deep level of rock.

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Speaker 2: If you listen to her speak, her vocabulary is so strong,

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so very strong, and she uses it with ease. It's

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not like, you know, some people used to use big

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words and you're like, oh, you've been waiting to use

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that word now. She just she's just throwing them out

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there in her daily conversation. She's incredibly intelligent, very.

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Speaker 1: Very intelligent poet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, So if def Dave, you've only heard one

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song on this whole album, it's going to be this

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song right here.

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Speaker 1: If getting your carkeeed and your tire slashed were a song.

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Speaker 2: This is it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wond oh, I'm thanks for you.

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Speaker 3: I wish nothing but the best for you both.

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Speaker 4: I'm all the version of me.

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Speaker 5: She preferted like me would.

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Speaker 4: She goes down on you.

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Speaker 5: Money.

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Speaker 2: She's got one question for you. Are you thinking of

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me when you.

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Speaker 1: Her scratch my nails down someone else's back? I hope

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you feel.

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Speaker 2: This angry angry. You know, there's this image of girls

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when they get broken up with that, you know they're

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gonna go sit in their pj's and eat ice cream cream.

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And she blows that out of the effing water with

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this song.

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Speaker 1: I think she gave voice to a lot of women

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at this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, what's interesting is we didn't know that this

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was about any particular guy, right right, and then we

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find out, I don't know, maybe less than ten years ago,

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that that the idea is that it's uncle Joey, right.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, it's uncle Joey. It's Dave Coolier.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Dave Coolier says it's him. Yea, she has

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not confirmed that, and well, she affirm anything, right, and

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but she's also said but like and her friends have

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said she dated a whole lot of guys at this time.

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He was not the only guy that she dated. He

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just happened to be a famous guy that she dated.

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He thinks it's him, right, I know, and maybe he

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gets and maybe he gets a little more street cred

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if it is him or whatever. But but like, and

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I've heard him say that. You know. I called her

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up and was like, hey, are we okay? You know

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you are right?

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Speaker 1: I did my Papaye imitation and we were fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Bob's Saggot talks about Bob's Bob Saggott said he was

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at dinner with Dave Kolier when she called, and he

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was trying to dumper well because hey, I'm at dinner.

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Hey I can I cut you?

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Speaker 2: She was bugging him in the middle of dinner. Well,

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I dinner. So yeah, so here's the here's the story. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Dave Coolier was thirty two, thirty three, she's seventeen.

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That ain't okay, right, he's playing at a celebrity hockey

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event and she's singing the national anthem.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: That's how they begin to hang out and date.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and more than date in a theater.

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Speaker 1: You've seen that meme where it's like, do not sit

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behind these two if you go all right? So this

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song won the Grammy for Best Rock Song, Best Female

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Rock Vocal and of course it's a major part of

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why it won Album of the Year. This was the

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reason I bought the album. When I heard this song,

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I was like, this song freaking rocks, She's a badass,

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she's cool.

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Speaker 2: I gotta have this.

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Speaker 1: But this lost Song of the Year to a song

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that we've talked about. Okay, any ideas this is ninety five.

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Speaker 2: I think it was ninety six, the ninety six Grammies, whatever, Okay,

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but it was a song from ninety five.

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Speaker 1: Ye, And I said, I think I said the time

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that it mesmerized me, the song.

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Speaker 2: The song mesmerized. Yeah, And is this a this a

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guy song? Or is this another mom rock song.

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Speaker 1: Sung by a guy?

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Speaker 2: But most of the it's more for the women, is

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it seal? Yep? Good job, it's from a Rose Rose.

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I just had to think. I did the Jason Colvin

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method of what was I doing at this time?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, there you goes right, Okay, go check out

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our what the heck happened?

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Speaker 2: Batman and Robin So yeah, one good thing out of that. Right.

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Speaker 1: So, so, Dave Coolier is driving in his car in

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LA one day and he's like, hey, here's a song

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by a last one I know I used to date

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this girl.

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Speaker 2: And he's listened to it. He's like, oh oh, oh no. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He calls his BUDDI He's like, I think I really

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hurt this girl. Yeah, And then his buddy said, well,

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no crap, you were thirty two and she was seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: This song rocks. I love it is the best song

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on the album. It's the reason why about the album.

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Speaker 2: I can't disagree with you. Honestly. I may have other

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songs that I'd like to listen to more from time

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to time, but this one is the steady, hands down winner. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: VH one ranked this song as the number twelfth best

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song of the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so you have a couple of freaking all

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stars on this song. You've got Flea from Red Hot

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Chili Peppers yeh, and Dave Navarro from Jane's Addiction and

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Red Hot Chili Peppers. Yeah. That's right, which is interesting

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because number one, obviously you've got this video. You remember

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the video. She's out in the desert in the Suitcase

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Valley and then there's this part where she's playing with

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the band and it's all very fuzzy. So I think

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I think that this was her touring band that she

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was playing with in this video. Right, I'm not one

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hundred percent sure, but that's different than the guys who

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actually played on it, Okay. And so just I'm just

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gonna tell you real quick, the guys that she had

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in her band. Number One, you had Jesse Tobias playing

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guitar and singing background vocals, and you had Nick Lashy,

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guy from London. And like, the album is already huge

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at the point that they're auditioning people to be the

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band for them to go on tour, sure to support

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the album, right, And so they're going through this audition process.

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Everybody gets sent the three songs you gotta know, and

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Taylor Hawkins listens to you O don't know, and he's like, well,

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this is gonna be huge. Yeah, And so he said,

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this is the fourth member of the band, Chris Cheney,

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the bass player. He's like, I was already in the

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band at this point, right, Chris was a mistake. Like

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he comes back, like they call him back in She

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called Alanis calls him back in right, and when he

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gets there, she looks over at Taylor and she's like,

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I called the wrong guy. I called the wrong guy.

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And Chris Cheney was a jazz bassist, like, he hadn't

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been in this Yattle scene. He didn't know these songs,

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and so they had called him back. So it was

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kind of like, well, I guess he's good enough. And

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so Taylor Hawkins says, hey, man, here's Soundgarden, here's Nirvana,

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here's Pearl Jam, and here's Jane's addiction. This is what

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you know. Go learn this stuff so that you can

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be aware of what's been going on for the last

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five years. Wow. Then ironically, once they're done with their tour,

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Chris Cheney becomes the bass player for Jane's addiction. Really yes,

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that's really good. Yeah, So sorry, I interrupted myself. How

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did Dave Navarro and Flee become a part of this

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song for this young girl who's got? So here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: So Maverick had a relationship with a producer named Jimmy Boyle. Okay,

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Jimmy Boyle had worked with the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ah,

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and so he's like, God, then you know what this

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this song. We need to rock this thing up.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: And at the time, you know, I heard her talk

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about the writing process one song to day she said this,

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the paper hadn't even dried on the ink, like she's

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just writing stuff down she's trying to make into a song.

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Next day she gets up, she listens to it, she

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doesn't even remember it. She gets in, she records the vocals.

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They send the vocal track with you know, some playing

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the guitar, just stuff. So they send it to Dave

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Navarro and Flee. They add the rock element and they

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take the vocals. They're like, wow, the vocals were great.

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You know, it's all this emotion and angered, bitterness, frustration,

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and they added to the rock and that's how you

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get a massive hit. I just want to drop one

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more thing. This was one of the only two songs

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that charted on the Hot One. It hit number six

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on the Hot One.

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Speaker 2: Only two songs on this album hit the Hot Yes,

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only two. Yes, that's crazy. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a distinction because you have you ought

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to know and you learn as a back back to back, right,

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that combination hits number six in nineteen ninety six early

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ninety six, Okay, and then there's one other.

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Speaker 2: One, right, and I think everybody's gonna know what that is, right,

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we'll get to it. Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: Next song of the album's song number three songs called

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Perfect Song Time.

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Speaker 4: It's never quite in love.

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Speaker 5: If you're fones.

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Speaker 4: Then you.

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Speaker 2: So this is the song that they play for Guyo Siri,

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the guy the Young from Maverick Records that that turns

469
00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:57,480
him on in the first twenty seconds, right, yes, and

470
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,640
then thirty seconds in he's discovering even more that He's like,

471
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,039
this is going to be amazing. And so here's the

472
00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:07,079
story with that meeting that they had with him. So

473
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,240
they get a call. They've been trying to get all

474
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,799
these record labels whatever, and and somebody's like, you need

475
00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:14,720
to go talk to this guy, right, And so they

476
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,279
try to get a meeting with him. Nothing happens, and

477
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:18,400
then all of a sudden they get a call and

478
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,400
they're like, hey, he's ready, come meet with him, and

479
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,079
Alanis it's like, well, we're in the middle of writing

480
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:28,319
songs right now, so now we're good. And they're like, no,

481
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,279
go meet him right now, and so they literally she

482
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,680
and Glenn walk into his office. She's wearing workout clothes.

483
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,599
She's like, she's not made up, not that she ever

484
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,279
really was that made up, but she's just as basic

485
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,319
as you can get as you walk in, and he's like, oh,

486
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,920
I thought this was a band, you know whatever. And

487
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,079
so once they put the tape in and start this

488
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,519
song playing, he realizes that there's magic about to happen.

489
00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:58,039
Speaker 1: So he's twenty seconds in, here's this song. This is

490
00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:00,000
the one that they bring to him. And I tell you,

491
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:01,559
I think it's the worst song on the album.

492
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,799
Speaker 2: To totally wrong. Now, this is so great because this

493
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,720
is like I haven't had to struggle with this as

494
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,599
much as a bunch of people have. But but I

495
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,119
have so many friends and and usually it is the

496
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,319
females that suffer from this, of this idea of you've

497
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:21,240
got to be perfect all the time, right, you gotta

498
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:25,000
hide what's imperfect, you gotta fix what you can, never

499
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,039
let them see those imperfections, and and you know, it's

500
00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:30,759
just this constant struggle of always having to be on

501
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,279
all of the time. And this is just this wonderful,

502
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,880
wonderful outpouring of your heart about this is hard, Like

503
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000
I don't it's not fair that I have to be

504
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:41,319
like this.

505
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you love it. Yeah, I think it's

506
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,680
like an eight out of ten because I just love

507
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:49,039
every other track on this album so much. Under stand

508
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:51,480
that I think it's a masterpiece. This album is an

509
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,960
incredible nineties masterpiece.

510
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:57,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. It front, head over feet, sorry, right through it,

511
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,440
head into beginning to end. That's this. This album is fantastic. Yes.

512
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: By the way, this song, they were working on another

513
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,480
song and I haven't struggled a little bit with it,

514
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,279
and so they stopped mid work on that song, paused

515
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,559
out pops this song twenty minutes and they've got one.

516
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: For the album.

517
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, another big hitter.

518
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah you ready, Yes, we'll do number four. The song

519
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,480
is called Hand in my Pocket.

520
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: I'm broke but I'm happy.

521
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: I'm poor but i'm kind, I'm sure but I'm healthy.

522
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: It's a banger. Oh my gosh, I love it.

523
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:42,559
Speaker 2: I mean, the brilliance of these lyrics of the I'm

524
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,680
both things right, I'm drunk but i'ms ober, young but

525
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,640
i'm underpaid, I'm short but i'm healthy, right. I mean,

526
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,519
it's just like, it's not just that you are two

527
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,039
things and you got to or you got to pick

528
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,559
between two things. It's that you're just kind of are

529
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,640
okay with being both turns.

530
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 5: Down to skin out.

531
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,519
Speaker 2: And you've got one hand in your pocket and the

532
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,880
other one's given a piece sign, smoking a cigarette, flicking

533
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,480
a cigarette flicking. That's right, clicking. I actually here are

534
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,920
the five things that her hand does.

535
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,559
Speaker 1: Okay, So one hand in her pocket, given a high five,

536
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:35,200
flicking a cigarette, given a piece sign, playing the piano

537
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,480
in Helena Texas.

538
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: Ye.

539
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,079
Speaker 1: But you gotta have the inflection in there, you do.

540
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: That's the way, the wonderful way that she uses her voice.

541
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: Yes, and she does have a lot of in her voice.

542
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: You know. I really feel like that. It's this and

543
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,759
you ought to know are kind of the one two

544
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,680
punch that brought her worldwide fame in a matter of

545
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,359
really weak.

546
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,559
Speaker 1: This was the second single, Yeah, released October of ninety five. Yeah,

547
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:08,039
and She's already By the way, this was supposed to

548
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,880
be the theme song for Dawson's Creek. She pulled it

549
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,079
literally at the last second. She was like, Nope, can't

550
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,559
have it, okay, And that's when they used I don't

551
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,839
want to Wait by Paula Cole, which is very synonymous

552
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,440
with that show. And in twenty seventeen movie Lady Bird,

553
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:24,720
the lead character says to her dad, did you know

554
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:28,039
that Alanis Morset wrote this song in ten minutes? And

555
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,119
Alanis actually came out and said, no, she's wrong, talk

556
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,799
about fifteen.

557
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,079
Speaker 2: That's great.

558
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: I love this song, man, I love it. It's a

559
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:39,279
nineties iconic song.

560
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,839
Speaker 2: It's so great because you know, I've watched a lot

561
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:44,440
of footage of her in concert right now since we've

562
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,160
been doing this, of course, and having been at the concert,

563
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,440
remembering what all of that was like. But that flicking

564
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,880
a cigarette line, like the crowd just kind of roars

565
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:56,720
at that point. You know, everybody is singing every word

566
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,240
to every song, but on the flicking a cigarette, I

567
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,680
don't know something about the nineties and the kind of

568
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:06,559
dangerousness of a girl talking about cigarettes, everybody just kind

569
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:08,920
of the vibe goes up. You know, I love it

570
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,000
all right.

571
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: Next song on the album Let's Do It, another very

572
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:23,519
well known song. This song is called right Through You mis.

573
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: Pronounced mo name.

574
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: Big memory for me is we covered this song and

575
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,960
I loved playing this song. When you hit that chorus

576
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:36,480
and you start jamming out. Oh my gosh, it's so good.

577
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,319
And of course the Windeyne sixty nine to me but

578
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:43,440
didn't hear a damn word I said, is one of

579
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,960
the best lines in all of rock and roll music.

580
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: I love it, man. I think this is the sequel

581
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:50,519
to you out of know, oh.

582
00:29:50,400 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: For sure, maybe even the prequel. Actually, I would say

583
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,000
it's a prequel. Okay. So you know you mentioned earlier

584
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:20,079
that she had a recording contract in Canada, right, yes,

585
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,599
with MCA in Canada, and had a gold record, which

586
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,680
in Canada that meant you sold fifty thousand, so not

587
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,079
super impressive for us on this side of the border.

588
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,759
But yeah, but you know, hey, not nothing, right, nothing.

589
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,759
She had been on you can't do that on television,

590
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,680
she had started singing and writing her own songs, and

591
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,000
she was a pop star in Canada, right And I

592
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,960
mean she's pretty and loves to dance and has the

593
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,480
right moves and can write the good songs. And I

594
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,079
mean I think you said it Debbie Gibson of Canada, right.

595
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you sent me her two videos that I

596
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,680
watched today. One of them was called too Hot. One

597
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,160
of them was called walk Away. Yeah, and it's very

598
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,599
like Kathy Dennis. Is the name that came to my brain.

599
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,960
It's dance pop. It's yeah, it's Tiffany, It's Tiffany, It's

600
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,599
Debbie Gibson.

601
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah. I mean she's dancing around in a

602
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,480
jeans jacket and a crop top and hanging out with

603
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:31,240
a bunch of cute guys. You know. It's all that

604
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,759
stuff from the mall pop stuff that we had back

605
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,000
in the late eighties and early.

606
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,359
Speaker 1: Nineties, including Matt LeBlanc of Friends.

607
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that Joey. He said, how you doing to her?

608
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,240
Are you doing? And I mean they've got this weird

609
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,160
kind of kiss moment. Right, I'm doing the math on this.

610
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,319
She was born in seventy four. He was born in

611
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,519
sixty seven. He's seven years older than she is. Okay,

612
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,680
they've got a kissing moment in the video. She's fifteen

613
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,279
or sixteen years old at the time this is going on.

614
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,920
It's crazy, and so this really, I mean, it's terrible,

615
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,279
but this is kind of what happened to her, her

616
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:09,160
parents not really realizing. I mean, she loves her parents,

617
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,160
both teachers, and they just they saw that she had passion.

618
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,279
Her dad was really loved entertainment and so was encouraging

619
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:19,720
her and her desire to be a famous TV and

620
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,160
singing star. But she kind of got sent out on

621
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,079
her own and they talked to the one guy who

622
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,240
produced records there in Canada, and he became kind of

623
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,559
her literal uncle Joe. But he was a guy who

624
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,839
was a task masker and not a decent dude, right,

625
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,400
And she would meet all of these people as she's

626
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,440
going through this process, you know, being the little pop

627
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,200
star in Canada that she is making videos, meeting record producers,

628
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,319
all of these things where you know, she said, when

629
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:48,000
I was twelve, it wasn't you know, they weren't really

630
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,880
saying anything that bad. You'd have a comment or something

631
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,039
thirteen about the same fourteen, the comments got a little heavier.

632
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:55,920
But at fifteen, all of a sudden, it was like

633
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:58,880
all bets are off. Like at fifteen for some reason,

634
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,480
that made it okay for every guy, every man of

635
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,279
power that she ran into to ultimately put her in

636
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,240
an uncomfortable situation. And so this song is really what

637
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:12,640
all of those experiences were about. Yeah, I can see

638
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,039
that it's tragic. It's tragic. I mean, we both have daughters,

639
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:20,680
young daughters and to imagine some man in power putting

640
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,480
his moves on I mean a fifteen year eighteen year old.

641
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:24,880
That's gross. Dude.

642
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: By the way, just one small comment on this. When

643
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,799
Dave Coolier when he heard You Ought to Know, he

644
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,920
ran to the record store, picked up the album, listened

645
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,440
to the whole thing, and he's like analyzing it, going, yeah, crap,

646
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,039
am I all over this album?

647
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: Right well.

648
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: One of the things mentioned in this song in particular,

649
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:41,680
she says, your shake is.

650
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,559
Speaker 2: Like a fish, and he's like, that's me.

651
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,359
Speaker 1: He's like, one hundred percent that's me.

652
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: He said.

653
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: It was kind of an inside joke. He would shake

654
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,920
her hand and he's like dead fish me, dead fish me.

655
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: Ah.

656
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,799
Speaker 2: And that is prequel to You Ought to Know right here. Yeah,

657
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:58,160
I'll go with that, and just on the kind of

658
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,640
mutuality these two songs share that You Ought to Know.

659
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,279
In this song, she talked about how she would was

660
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,359
living in an apartment in La you know, as they're

661
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,239
going through this process, and she ran into her landlord

662
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,760
and her landlord before yes, female landlord, and she said

663
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,280
the landlord said, oh, hey, I'm so you know, so

664
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,719
impressed how well you're doing. She goes, I got to

665
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,119
tell you the truth. When your album came out, I

666
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,920
didn't really like it, and then I got divorced, and

667
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,760
now I love it.

668
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: Right, that's right, that's hilarious.

669
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: This is divorced mom rock. This is what this is.

670
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:33,639
That's it.

671
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, next song on the album, this song

672
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:51,119
is called Forgiven.

673
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: The thing about this album, I remember listening to this

674
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,960
for the first time and hitting this song like, Holy cow,

675
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:03,760
this is like, this isn't like anything I've ever heard.

676
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,519
It's not only not like anything else on the album,

677
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,880
it's not like any other song I've ever heard. She's

678
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,280
got a different melody. I don't know, I don't know

679
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,800
what scale she's in, but this is a this is

680
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,360
an entirely different feel than anything you were hearing at

681
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:17,679
the time.

682
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:21,679
Speaker 1: So this song, it just keeps getting better and better

683
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,360
throughout the song, and she's hitting that.

684
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: I mean, she's.

685
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: Getting it vocally.

686
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

687
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: A lot of passion, a lot of Catholic guilt in

688
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:28,920
this song.

689
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

690
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: She talked about how she thought and it was taught

691
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,679
in the church that if she wasn't a virgin when

692
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,719
she got married, she was a horror going hell. It

693
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,800
comes out in this song, and uh, there's a lot

694
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,280
of passion there, yeah, a lot of anger. Yes, So

695
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,199
I love it.

696
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,079
Speaker 2: I think this is a fantastic song. This is so emotional.

697
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:47,559
And I think that was the other part. You know,

698
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,679
you talked about how basically they were writing and recording

699
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,159
so quickly that by the time she listened to it,

700
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,760
she had forgotten. She's saying, that's right, but that there's

701
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,960
something about that immediacy that captured the past that they had.

702
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:03,840
And so I don't remember which one it was for sure,

703
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,079
but I think it's right through. You bear with me

704
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:09,639
if I got this wrong. Okay, but at least one

705
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,800
of these songs that she has is just their demo version.

706
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,840
You know, they went back and they modified a lot

707
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,119
of songs, but she really like loved the demo version

708
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:22,159
because they captured that raw appeal, that moment in time

709
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,960
where she was feeling what she had just written down. Sure,

710
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:27,119
and the record company was like, well, we really need

711
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,039
to we need to clean this up and make it

712
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:31,639
a little more radio friendly and all this other stuff,

713
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,719
and she goes to appease them. We were because at

714
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,239
first we're like, no, this is so perfect as it is.

715
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,599
Don't mess this up and they're like, yeah, but really

716
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,440
and they're like, oh, you know, she's a new artist. Okay,

717
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,800
So they re recorded the whole song. Got a call

718
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,440
back the next day from the record label and they're like, Okay,

719
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,880
we listened to both of them. We're gonna go ahead

720
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,880
and go with the demo. I love it. Yeah, I

721
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,199
love it.

722
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: You know.

723
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,159
Speaker 1: I was worried when we started this. I thought, man,

724
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:55,719
I'm gonna have to turn in my man card after

725
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,920
this because I'm just gonna gush over this album. I'm

726
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,400
so glad that you're with me on this thing.

727
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,199
Speaker 2: Dude, can't I mean not to you know, we're gonna

728
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,400
we're gonna reach the end of a three album comparison

729
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,400
at the end of this, guys. Okay, so we've got

730
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,599
this album, We've got Jewel Pieces of You, We've got

731
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:13,599
no doubt Tragic Kingdom. I owned every single one of

732
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,239
these albums. And I'm sorry that a little spoiler alert

733
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,760
if you if you don't want to hear this, cover

734
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,559
your ears for about three seconds. But Jason literally said

735
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,960
to me, this might be the best album of the nineties,

736
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,840
and you might be right.

737
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

738
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought I was gonna be on my

739
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:31,360
own on that. No, this genuinely is one of the

740
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,079
best albums of the nineties. I mean, and that's in

741
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,559
that's in a huge family of fantastic albums. I mean,

742
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:40,639
you know how I feel about Ten, how I feel

743
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,320
about Nevermind, how I feel about Throwing Copper. I mean,

744
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,800
there's Black Album, all of these just incredible albums, and

745
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,920
this album is easily in the conversation for best of

746
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:51,320
them all.

747
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: There you Go, Yeah, next song on the album, Here

748
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,280
we Go. This is my favorite song.

749
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: On the album. I thought you said it was you.

750
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:57,719
I don't know.

751
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: Well, this is the conversation. I love them all, but

752
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:04,920
the puppiness of this one really appeals to me. I

753
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:06,840
don't see that this song is called.

754
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: You learn rag. I'm walking around swallowing.

755
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: Okay. So when she was a kid and the and

756
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:40,039
the pop star in Canada, she's got this record producer

757
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:41,800
that they got hooked up with that was her uncle

758
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,679
Joe or whatever, and he calls her to say, hey,

759
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,760
we need to redo some of these vocals. And when

760
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,559
she gets there, he's like, we're not here to do

761
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,880
the vocals. We have to talk about your weight. And

762
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,960
she had been putting on a little weight. She's going

763
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,519
through puberty, for goodness sake, so she had put on

764
00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:59,760
a little bit of weight. And he was like, we

765
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,559
got we got to do some restrictions here. And so

766
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,840
he would eat like half a p when they go out,

767
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,519
you know, in the evening, half a pizza, and she

768
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,079
would get black coffee, maybe as midge of cream to

769
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,400
you know, to be able to digest it or whatever.

770
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,760
And she said they would have velveta cheese slices in

771
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,039
the refrigerator and she would sneak down at three am

772
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:27,760
and eat a couple of slices, maybe one slice of

773
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,960
velveted cheese. The next day he would count the slices

774
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,679
and say, did you eat one of these slices last night?

775
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,199
Say all that to say she went through We talked

776
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,599
about the Weindeine sixty nine guys and Dave Coolier and

777
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:44,639
all of that. She went through some really really bad stuff.

778
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,800
But as you pointed out, had she not gone through

779
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,679
all of that, we probably wouldn't have this album.

780
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: We would not have this album.

781
00:39:49,760 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: And that's what this song is about. I love it.

782
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,800
This is about you know, I recommend getting your heart

783
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,320
trampled on by anyone because you live and you learn.

784
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,079
There you go. You take all of these horrible things

785
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,079
and you grow from them. Yeah, Jesus, this is a

786
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,119
nineteen year old girl bringing the knowledge and wisdom. I'm

787
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,360
just incredible.

788
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: By the way, if you've listened to this song ever

789
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:32,800
in your entire life, you know that the title of

790
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,760
the album comes from this song. Swallow it Down. What

791
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,280
a jagged little pill feels so good swimming in your stomach?

792
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: Right? Yep? Did you watch the video? Which one is

793
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,320
this one? She's like walking.

794
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: Around, she keeps interacting with people, she's she shoots baskets,

795
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,119
and she gets in a boxing fight and she's walking around.

796
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,679
Speaker 2: I don't really remember it that well. I guess it's

797
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,639
like I figured I probably would remember them all.

798
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:59,119
Speaker 1: But the thing that stands out is her hair. It's

799
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,159
kind of like it's like napping together.

800
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: I can't remember that.

801
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:03,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

802
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it looks like she's doing back walkovers like

803
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,039
a gymnast move and shooting baskets.

804
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:11,559
Speaker 2: It's a fun video. It's a fun song. Yeah.

805
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: And there is a breakdown in the middle of this

806
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,559
song where she's just making noise with her voice.

807
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'm blown away.

808
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:30,519
Speaker 2: I love it.

809
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: This was the most successful single in Canada in nineteen

810
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,119
ninety six, and it was the fourth single released in

811
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:36,480
the US.

812
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:39,119
Speaker 2: Great song didn't chart on the Hot one hundred. You

813
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,079
can't believe that only two of these songs charted on

814
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,559
the Hot one hundred. What's going on? It doesn't make

815
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:46,760
any sense. I read some stuff.

816
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: About the release of singles and stuff like that.

817
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:51,159
Speaker 2: You were talking to me about that, about how they

818
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:55,440
didn't really release individual singles, and I was looking at him,

819
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:57,960
like I can see the album. But I think maybe

820
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,239
what it is is they didn't release the singles in

821
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,480
the US. They were kind of pushing the album sales,

822
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,760
which obviously worked. I mean, it's the bush did the second.

823
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 7: Or third collective sold did the same thing, so obviously

824
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,239
sold a ton of albums by doing this, But that

825
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,559
probably is part of the reason that the singles as

826
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,880
they were, which I think, like I looked in there,

827
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,760
like this is the single cover for Europe and this

828
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,400
is the single cover for Canada.

829
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,639
Speaker 2: I think they didn't release it in the US and

830
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:28,119
that's probably why they didn't chart as well as normally

831
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,639
singles would. If you know the answer, hit us up

832
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:32,599
on the phone lines. We are here to learn just

833
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:32,960
like you.

834
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,519
Speaker 1: All right, I hate to leave this one too early,

835
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,719
but the next song on the album is called head

836
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,159
over Feet.

837
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: I have no choice but to hear you. You stay

838
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,440
in your case n again.

839
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: Okay, after you watch you ought to Know for the

840
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,119
first time, you still probably don't know what she really

841
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:58,920
looks like. Like the video is fuzzy, her hair's over

842
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,559
her face the whole time, and she's swinging all yeah,

843
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,199
it's all just very cloudy. After you watch this video,

844
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,000
you have every detail of her face memorized.

845
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: Really, you have like you can see pores and like

846
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,000
the imperfections in her skin. It's four minutes of a

847
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,079
close up on her face.

848
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I told you just now it's like this. I

849
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,079
fell in love with her watching this video, right like usful. Yeah,

850
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,000
it's it's not that she's beautiful, it's just that she's real,

851
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:29,960
you know, like she's she's not just a starlet. She's

852
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,719
not some hot girl who sings. She's real.

853
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get it inside. This video was released

854
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,800
September of ninety six, and yeah, all it is is

855
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,360
a shot of her face. Now, I told you that

856
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,840
she's obviously lip singing to make the music video and

857
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,280
then sometimes she just takes a break.

858
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:00,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the.

859
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: Lyrics are the song is still playing, but she's not

860
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:04,320
I'm not doing it.

861
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: Not doing it right now? Yeah, so she I mean,

862
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,440
of course, Also, the lyrics of this song are very

863
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:11,880
much a love song, right, this is about falling in love.

864
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,639
Speaker 1: It's actually like appreciating a boyfriend rather than wanting to

865
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:19,159
slash his tires exactly. Yeah, so she grew a little bit.

866
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she didn't have all bad relationships. So after

867
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,760
MCA dropped her, By the way, did I go into that?

868
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,039
I don't think I went into that, all right. So

869
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,599
she's a pop star in Canada. She starts to do

870
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,320
different music and she's starting to write things that are

871
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,719
more personal to her, and the record label is like,

872
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,360
why are you doing this? Go with the stuff you

873
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,920
know that you've been doing and stop trying to change,

874
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,440
and she's like, sure, I should just stay the way

875
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,599
I was at fifteen for the rest of my life.

876
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:48,159
That makes a lot of sense. And here's a Debbie

877
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:51,880
Gibson album, go make this. Yeah. And so when she

878
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,000
was like I just want to I want to write

879
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,920
the songs that I want to write, They're like, Okay,

880
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:57,920
you go do that by yourself. And they cut her

881
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,360
from MCAO. That's how she goes out to LA. She's

882
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,320
trying to find people to write with, and she said,

883
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,400
I think she met with like four people who are

884
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,960
all very nice, but they wanted to write their music

885
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,039
and not her music. And Glenn Ballard was totally different.

886
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,320
He was the one that said, well, tell me about you.

887
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,400
What's important to you that we can that we can

888
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,480
write music about. And that's what made her say, this

889
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:22,119
is my guy, this is the one. This is the

890
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:23,679
one that I want to write these songs with. I

891
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,039
love it.

892
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: I heard her talk about her philosophy on writing. She said,

893
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:29,679
first thing I do is I go live life and

894
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:30,960
then I write about what I did.

895
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: That's a very earnest Haming way of her.

896
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, all right, are we done with

897
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,199
this one?

898
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,159
Speaker 2: We can move on. It's another song that I love.

899
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,360
There's not a bad song on this album. Nope, there

900
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:41,599
is not.

901
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: No.

902
00:45:42,400 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: Next song is called Mary Jane.

903
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: Stunt. It's beautiful. What's it about.

904
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:19,119
Speaker 1: I don't know, not marijuana. I'm convinced it's not about

905
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,840
Marilla's not I agree with you.

906
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: You know. They call the Little shoes Mary Jane's, you

907
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,760
know that the little girls wear. And I feel like

908
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,840
this is just a it's a conversation with her former self.

909
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:32,239
I'd go with that. Yeah.

910
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: Beaumont Tench, the guy who plays with Tom Patty. I'm

911
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,760
probably saying his name wrong. I know he played keys

912
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,480
on this song. Oh didn't charge her.

913
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: She took him out to dinner. Thirty three million copies.

914
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,199
That's great, all right?

915
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean, next song, another absolute nineties iconic song, iconic,

916
00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,559
A little bit iconic, don't you think?

917
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Think a little bit too iconic?

918
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: Yes?

919
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: I really do think.

920
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: All right, this song is called ironic.

921
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:16,519
Speaker 4: It's death rob part of two Minutes too Late and ironic.

922
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 8: It's okay, now what you're gonna say?

923
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,679
Speaker 2: And yes, everybody knows that nothing that she mentions is

924
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,119
actually ironic. Thank you for checking that.

925
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul step Aside, We're not We're not fielding

926
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,159
any of that.

927
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,519
Speaker 2: You get it. They are unfortunate, tragic, even in certain circumstances.

928
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:55,480
Not ironic except that the Oxtra Dictionary literally changed the

929
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:58,199
definition of the word ironic. How about that because of

930
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,559
this song? How about that is fair? I mean, this

931
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:05,679
song was everywhere and I mean people generally. I mean,

932
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,679
how many times have you said, well, it's ironic, and

933
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,679
then you probably didn't think about it, But if you had,

934
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,159
you meant, no, it's not ironic. It's tragic, it's terrible,

935
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:16,559
it's awful. It's not ironic. But that's okay. It's really

936
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:18,880
about the words, you know. And when they asked her

937
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,840
about this, she's like, I thought maybe one hundred people

938
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,639
would hear this song, so I wasn't really thinking about

939
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:24,719
that's right, that's right, right. And they told her they

940
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,480
were like, you know, this album if they if we

941
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:29,800
sell one hundred and fifty thousand copies, maybe hundred and

942
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,679
seventy five thousand, we'll be doing great.

943
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:34,079
Speaker 1: All we want to do is get another album.

944
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,199
Speaker 2: And all that. And when she heard that, she's like, ash,

945
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:40,239
that's a lot of people. Wow, try thirty million on

946
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,159
for size. Well, yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, I will tell

947
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:44,480
you this.

948
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,559
Speaker 1: She didn't really like this song as much, but she

949
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,800
liked the chorus so much.

950
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: She loves singing the chorus.

951
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she has a knack for writing catch choruses well.

952
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,559
Speaker 2: And this song, this is the one song that Glenn

953
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:01,199
Ballard has a lyrical writing credit on like he was

954
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,719
a part of the lyrics writing for this one. He

955
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,159
you know, he was her encourager and her mentor, and

956
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:08,119
he wrote the music for a lot of this stuff,

957
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,480
but this is the one that he actually contributed some

958
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:13,400
lyrics to. And she kind of wanted the whole album

959
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,519
to be her album. Fortunately, there were other human beings

960
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:23,760
who were like, please put this song on the album. Please,

961
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,239
and she she acquiesced, and once again, thirty million albums.

962
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,679
I have to think at least half of them are

963
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:33,480
because of this song.

964
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: This song reached number four on the Hot one hundred.

965
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,280
This is the highest charting song on the album. Yeah,

966
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,360
Celen Dion kept her out of the number one spot.

967
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,039
More mom rock in the nineties.

968
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: It's crazy, man, But hey, I'm not complaining. I even

969
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,800
like some of those Celen Dion songs, right, and even

970
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,880
some of the Shanaia Dwayne songs. Sure, and Wayne well,

971
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:58,320
I mean, I like girl music. I realized it in

972
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,119
the nineties, you know, as I'm I'm wrapping up Jaggie

973
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,679
little Pill and I'm throwing in pieces of you and

974
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,119
then I'm grabbing No doubt, I'm just like dude, I

975
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:08,840
saw a lot of perform, and if you get to

976
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,159
see a girl perform live, she'll melt your heart. Man,

977
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,639
she really will, I mean beautiful or not. If she

978
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,360
can sing, her attractive level increases exponentially.

979
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: It should be said also that she's basically our age.

980
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:24,840
She's right between you and I.

981
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like, yeah, you're seventy three, she's seventy four,

982
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,679
I'm seventy five. Yes, that's right.

983
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: Also, we can't really skip this video.

984
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the video.

985
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: I don't like the video at all.

986
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: Tell me why.

987
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,599
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I think the song is awesome,

988
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,119
but it's four versions of herself in a car and

989
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,440
one of us. She's acting like she drives the short

990
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,400
bus to school, she's acting like a spaz. I mean,

991
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,000
it's just.

992
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: She's being different facets of herself. Right. She's got the

993
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,960
serious one, she's got the boss, she's got the crazy one.

994
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,559
She's got the lighthearted, fun one. She's just trying to

995
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,360
show you she's not all angry girl all the time. Right.

996
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,519
Speaker 1: She was kind of pegged as the angry girl she was.

997
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,159
Speaker 2: And so yeah this I remember watching this and thinking, Okay,

998
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:10,880
she can cut loose, she can have a little fun,

999
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,800
be a little goofy. I dig it. It was goofy. Yeah.

1000
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,639
She was definitely good. It was good fun. I really

1001
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,599
enjoyed it. Yeah, if you like it, then I like it.

1002
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,400
That sounds good. By the way, we.

1003
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: Should mention she was engaged to Ryan Reynolds. Okay, they

1004
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,480
didn't ever get married, right, he ran often married. Scarlett

1005
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:30,559
Johansson ran off.

1006
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:37,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but I mean she's doing okay, Yeah, this

1007
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,960
is a catch as far as I understand. It's kind

1008
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,960
of a stud. Yeah, but yeah, and they're both Canadians,

1009
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,519
so they got that going for him. Those Canadians.

1010
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: They're proud. Yeah, shout out to our buddy Cameron record.

1011
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,679
Speaker 2: By the way, side note on this, like when they

1012
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,400
do this tour, right and Taylor Hawkins of course gets

1013
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,119
hired on as the drummer. He then like he's he says,

1014
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:00,000
this is not only the best concert experience, the most

1015
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,719
debauchrous concert experience, he said, which I mean you just

1016
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,519
think about that. He's he toured for decades with food Fight,

1017
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,960
right and and yeah, and he says, yeah, no, it

1018
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,280
was it was. It was the Elanas Morris set tour

1019
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,039
and forgive me put your hands over your children's ears.

1020
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,519
He was like, we were trying to bang every girl

1021
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:24,599
that we can. So this is horrible, right, You've got

1022
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:28,239
all of these sweet little teenage girls who are in

1023
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,440
love with Elanas Morris Set who are coming to see

1024
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,360
her concert, and they've got a deal arranged with the roadie,

1025
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,840
like at some back dressing room somewhere to give them

1026
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,280
back passes. They think they're coming to meet Alana's and

1027
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,519
they meet the band and the band's trying to bang them.

1028
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:43,960
It's terrible.

1029
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,639
Speaker 1: It's a little bit ironic, oh Dutch think.

1030
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: Yes, And they felt and I don't know how bad

1031
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,400
he feels about it, but but he's but he was like,

1032
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,760
it's it's terrible what we we got mad. Yeah, he

1033
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,239
was like, you know, I felt disrespectful to her, and

1034
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,079
she was like, yeah, it was disrespect to me. And

1035
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:04,000
she was really mad. But then she was like, what

1036
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:06,000
am I gonna do? Find five more guys who are

1037
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,760
gonna do the same thing but not play as good

1038
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,679
as these guys and so, and she laughed about it.

1039
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,639
You know, she's she's got a sense of humor even

1040
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:18,239
about the incredibly inappropriate and tragic stuff that her bands was.

1041
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: All right, next song on the album. This song is

1042
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,840
called not the Doctor.

1043
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,039
Speaker 3: I don't want to be the fillers the void souly yours.

1044
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,039
I don't want to be our glass of Cimamot whisky

1045
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:36,440
hidden in the bottom drawer. I don't want to be

1046
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,840
abanda chion is not mine.

1047
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 5: Lends some fresher.

1048
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: So this is another one that wasn't like super well

1049
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,760
known worldwide, but that we we covered in the band

1050
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,559
with that girl that I had singing with us, and

1051
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:56,039
I loved it. It's again It's just another facet of

1052
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,639
the very variety of things that she was singing about,

1053
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,960
of just of like I'm tired of being your crutch

1054
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:05,519
all the time, man, I mean, like grow a pair,

1055
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,079
like stop coming to me with every single problem.

1056
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:10,199
Speaker 1: Right, Not the Doctor right, by the way, this is

1057
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,639
like a low key favorite for me on this album.

1058
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Taurus is great.

1059
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,599
Speaker 1: It's catchys it in.

1060
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:20,599
Speaker 3: Hours and nine to five and a show a ten

1061
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:26,039
past six nine and she would find somebody.

1062
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:35,119
Speaker 5: To say stands too much to ask fun.

1063
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: Love it. It's fantastic. Last song on the album, Okay

1064
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:46,280
now I told you like we saw each other last week,

1065
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,719
I came in. I'm like, well, I just listened to

1066
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,280
Jagged Little Pill head to toe for the first time

1067
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:56,880
in probably twenty five years. Yeah, I would guess sure,

1068
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,159
and I knew every word to every song, same this one.

1069
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:02,559
This song. Really I heard this song and I'm like,

1070
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:06,599
I don't remember this song at all. I don't remember it. Wow, Okay,

1071
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,559
So yeah, somehow this one got I don't know, some

1072
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:12,119
other memory took its place. I don't know what it is,

1073
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,000
but it got flushed from the memory breaks. So play

1074
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:15,760
it for me again.

1075
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,639
Speaker 1: This song is called wake Up Young.

1076
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:29,559
Speaker 4: It's warm and my crane.

1077
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have to think that this is my

1078
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:48,719
You're perfect right, like, this is my song that I

1079
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,440
was just like okay, which again, not to say it's

1080
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,960
a bad song. It's a fantastic song, right, compared to

1081
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:58,280
many other songs, way better. But when you're surrounded by

1082
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,400
all of these home runs. Yeah, it's a double, right,

1083
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,400
which is not bad. Double's good, that's right. It doubles good.

1084
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,440
Not a base hit. It's a double That's the way

1085
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,320
I feel about perfect right. But it's just not it's

1086
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,239
not as good as the rest of the See.

1087
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:13,199
Speaker 1: I love this song.

1088
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 2: I love it.

1089
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,559
Speaker 1: It's a it's a perfect closer, it kind of winds

1090
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:20,360
the album down. It's still it's still peppy, but it

1091
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,079
starts to kind of fade out and they she doesn't

1092
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,079
say the words wake up until the last two words

1093
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:30,039
of the song, very end of it, she says, wake up.

1094
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: So I got a question for you, all right, So,

1095
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,480
can you name me one song that's in a lot

1096
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:38,800
of song that's not on this album that you love. Yes,

1097
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:40,679
tell me. I love thank you.

1098
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.

1099
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: I love Uninvited, and I love hands.

1100
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 2: Cleaning very good. So thank you is how she usually

1101
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,039
ends the show. Okay, saying thank you to the audience

1102
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:13,679
basically is the way that she's doing, which is a

1103
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:15,440
great way to go. And if you had asked me

1104
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:34,400
that question, I absolutely was, said Uninvited. When I bought

1105
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,719
the I say, I bought I be Amied the City

1106
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:43,480
of Angels soundtrack, Yeah, yeah, and that song, I mean,

1107
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,119
I was just blown away how good Uninvited was. And

1108
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:48,639
she said she you know, she saw a rough cut

1109
00:57:48,679 --> 00:57:51,199
of the movie, went home to a piano, wrote in

1110
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:54,639
ten minutes, right, and it's so freaking good. But I

1111
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,360
just I need to say this like she was a

1112
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,360
nineteen year old girl. She meets this guy who is

1113
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,599
is going to lift her up instead of crawling on

1114
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:06,519
her back, right, and she writes twenty songs with him

1115
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,960
and they and they come out with this album, right yeah,

1116
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,039
and get turned down by everyone, right. And then once

1117
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:17,639
they do have an audience, she's shown up in workout

1118
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,599
clothes with this one other guy, right who allbeit he

1119
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:24,039
has written some big hits in the past, right, let's go.

1120
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:28,119
And so she goes from that. They take You Ought

1121
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,559
to Know to k Rock and they're like, hey, we've

1122
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,599
got this new girl. We would like you to listen

1123
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:34,760
to her CD and I remember to listen to listen

1124
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,599
to the DJ talk about this. She's like, we live

1125
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:38,280
every time we listen to a song for the first time.

1126
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,719
We put it on ten, like we're cranking it, baby. Yeah,

1127
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,800
she said, we listened to this song and our eyes

1128
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,880
were bugging out. I mean, which yes, I mean are

1129
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,800
you thinking of me when you f her? Would she

1130
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,760
go down on you in a movie theater? It's it's

1131
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,239
not a it's not about those things, but those will

1132
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,960
make your eyes pop. But it's just the fact that

1133
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:03,840
she's this girl who's this angry, jaded lover song. They

1134
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,079
are like, you don't need to sell us on this

1135
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,280
at all. They immediately take the CD from the listening

1136
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,280
room to the DJ and say, play this now. Wow,

1137
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,360
whatever you were about to play, put it aside. Play

1138
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,719
this now. They play it and the phone line start

1139
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:24,039
lighting up. That's so cool, man. So she's literally gone

1140
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:27,079
from nothing, Like Glenn didn't get paid. He hung out

1141
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,920
with her for nothing. She is a girl in an

1142
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,440
apartment and now they're playing her on k Rock, and

1143
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:36,840
now she's on MTV, and now she has a band

1144
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,559
that she has to put together to do a tour,

1145
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,719
and within a year she's selling millions of records. She's

1146
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,599
touring the world. She's like these guys who just worked.

1147
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:50,159
They just thought, okay, hey, we're going to be a

1148
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:53,000
supporting band for this new girl. Like their first show

1149
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:55,199
that they did together was just a little like show

1150
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,960
at the Maverick Record label, right right. They had to

1151
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,679
practice together for a while to get the songs. And

1152
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:03,159
this is the first time they've ever performed as a group.

1153
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:07,079
And within the year they are selling out stadiums. It's

1154
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,280
truly an amazing story. We talk about it overnight success, Like, yeah,

1155
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,719
she was a big pop star in Canada first. But

1156
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,440
and without those experiences, you don't get this album. But

1157
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:22,519
she literally went from nothing to everything in no time.

1158
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:23,960
It was a nuclear bomb.

1159
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,199
Speaker 1: Is it fair to say Kurt Cobain was the male

1160
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,280
voice of the nineties and Alanis Morrissett was the female

1161
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:31,159
voice of the nineties.

1162
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:37,159
Speaker 2: As far as the jaded, disenfranchised teenage crowd goes.

1163
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:40,519
Speaker 1: I don't think Shania Twain's carrying the no.

1164
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:44,079
Speaker 2: She's like she was pop yep, yep. Okay, guys, I

1165
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,320
hope you enjoyed this one. Come back next week we're

1166
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,039
going to talk We talk about Jewel next, ye, no

1167
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:50,880
doubt jewel, all right, talking about Jewel Pieces of You next.

1168
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We'll follow that up with No doubt Tragic Kingdom. And

1169
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at the end of all that, we will give you

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our ranking one, two, and three, gold, silver, and bronze.

1171
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Which of these albums is the best? Down? So thank you, guys,

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appreciate you. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.