Speaker 1: All right, good morning everybody, Good morning, hobby friends. Welcome
to Hobby Hotline. This is episode three twenty two of
Hobby Hotline. I'm your host, Logan Ward, and with me
today is Hobby Great. I called him my icon last time,
mister Stogum himself, Chris Harris. How are you doing, Chris?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing good, man. I actually yesterday was my first
day of retirement. Believe it or not.
Speaker 2: Really, Yes, welcome back.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. Fifty years of working
and I'm done.
Speaker 2: All of us Generation X kids are kind of jealous
of you right now.
Speaker 1: And we have a collector's dream Orlando, Orlando.
Speaker 3: How you doing, man, I'm doing great, Logan, and congratulations.
And I'm retired too, so I joined the club.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's nice man. I went out and mountain bike
yesterday and it had pizza and it was a great day.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Just enjoy the day. Do whatever you want. But really,
when you think about retirement, this is what we've been
waiting for for all our lives. So enjoy every single
day of it, and things that you've never done before,
go out and do it. That's why I like to
go do nature walks and things like that.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, that's the plan man for sure. So
we got a few comments this morning. Good morning everyone
from Man City Brew. Abel says, good morning, Man City Brew.
Where's the freddie Gs ball? Let's see congratulations Thanks Larry,
appreciate that. Uh the Mangenie Collection.
Speaker 4: Orlando vote for John president, and.
Speaker 1: Frank says, good morning guys. So good morning everybody. So
I wanted to start off real quick. I wanted to
show a couple of little things I found on the
Internet that I thought were funny. One of them was, uh,
and I'm not trying to poo poo on the Yankees
or or anything like that, but I did see this
on Twitter, and I thought, I just thought it was
really funny. It says breaking it's announced that Yankee superstar
Aaron Judge will be in Tomes Square this New Year's
Eve to help drop the ball. I thought that, thought
that was kind of funny.
Speaker 2: And then h Logan'll be here all week. Make sure
you tip your waitress.
Speaker 1: Try to that's right, I'm right here. And uh, then
there was this, uh this Halloween related this Stormtrooper meme.
I saw this and I spit out my sweet tea.
When I saw it, it was just I just thought
it was funny. You got you know, I guess you
could substitute the A Team in there instead of Stormtroopers,
but anyway, I just thought those were funny. So let's
let's get started. You know, I know the big elephant
in the room is going to be the World Series.
My question to you guys is what kind of uh
what kind of effect does the World Series have on
trading cards? And does this really bump a few players up?
Does this bump a few players down? What do you
guys think about that?
Speaker 2: Well? I think this definitely bumps up Freddy Freeman's cards,
mostly because I think he cemented his place in Cooperstown
with this series. Wow, well, maybe give maybe give him
a few more years of playing time, but I think,
going the way his career had been going, I think
this series, uh yeah, I think it's this got him
into Cooperstown. So wow, what do you think in Orlando?
Speaker 3: Well, good morning Stukes the Dallas Card Show. I really
think that Freddy Freeman did prove himself and I think
he just he was the shining star I think of
the series for sure. And you know is he a
surefire Hall of Famer. I think the years and see
what happens. I think he needs a little bit more numbers,
but definitely he's on track. You could see that. You know,
everybody's finally you know, woken up to him and see him.
He's been a great player. He's been a great player
for the Braves.
Speaker 4: He's all his career has been great.
Speaker 3: But I think now when you put him in in
the Shining Star of the World Series and then does
what he does, Yeah, that's gonna put him up in
the top tier players up there with with Otani, with
Judge and the other player that I have to say
kind of made a mark also was was Stanton. I
think you know, he even though the Yankees lost, I
think he showed a lot as being a clutch player
in the playoffs and the World Series, and I think
he's going to ge a lot of consideration, and especially
if he gets the five hundred home run and I
think he's close to that if he can stay healthy
a couple more years, I think, yeah, you're gonna see
uh Freeman and Stanton right up there.
Speaker 1: So now that Otani has a ring, does this just
put him into the stratosphere.
Speaker 4: Now he's already been in Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Right, how much the stratosphere?
Speaker 3: How much higher can you go? I mean, look at
look at his ball that sold an investment firm I
think in Taiwan for four and a half million dollars.
Speaker 4: I mean, how much higher can it?
Speaker 3: Actually can he go? I think he's I think he's
at the about the top that he can get at
this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, uh, I was impressed. I was impressed
with everybody on the Dodgers. And you know, you had
you had those Yankees fans trying to pull off Mookie
Bett's arm.
Speaker 4: That was crazy.
Speaker 1: So it was very sad.
Speaker 2: I mean they led a couple of Philadelphians into that.
Speaker 3: It was a total embarrassment for New York fans to
see that. I mean not only pulling the ball out
of his glove, but grabbing his other hand. Come on,
I've never seen something like that before.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could have injured him, and I'm surprised that,
you know, you know, can he follow assault charges? Maybe?
I don't know. I mean, would that even be warranted?
Do you think he's taken it too far?
Speaker 2: Yea, too far? I think I think they had their
tickets revoked for the rest of the series. I don't
know if they were season ticket holders, but I think
those seats would be revoked permanently if they were.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, I just I hated to see that. I
just I mean the way they were been in his arm,
back and everything. I just thought, Oh my gosh, if
they injure him, this is going to be this is
going to be really bad. But yeah, there's no call
for that kind of behavior. I mean, I don't care
how rabbit of a fan you are. That's that's just
way over the line in my opinion.
Speaker 2: It's just a baseball for crying out loud.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it goes.
Speaker 2: With their stand for like what ten douars.
Speaker 3: How desperate people are to have like even souvenirs like that,
you know, And you could go and buy a game
ball at the souvenir stands now, and you could buy
them on fanatics right now. I mean, Fanatics is already
selling well it's a little bit of a rip off.
Autograph they promoted as autograph team Ball from the Dodgers,
right that's the way they put it. If you go
on the website, and I think they want like three
thousand dollars. But then when you when you go in
it and click and it says guaranteed to have at
least seven to ten autographs.
Speaker 4: Seven to ten autographs.
Speaker 3: That's not even.
Speaker 2: That's not even. But it's probably not going to include o.
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't.
Speaker 3: It had a fready Freeman, but that was But you
know the other thing is that, you know, you can
just go buy a game ball. I think they're something
for twenty five bucks or something like that, just the
plain World Series Dodger ball. But to fight for.
Speaker 1: It like that, Yeah, yeah, well I know that. Uh
let me go back to the comments. Yeah, see here, Yeah,
it's uh White Sow's Tom. He says they didn't want
the ball, they just wanted him not to catch. Yeah,
And I think that's that's that's spot on.
Speaker 3: Already glove.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he'd already caught it. They were just I
don't know, I don't know what the.
Speaker 2: Squadject, but the umpire did get the call, right.
Speaker 1: So you know, in the spirit of the World Series,
what about the kid in Game one that caught Freddie
Freeman's walk off Grand Slam ball. When you think about that,
I think that's a feel good story. Uh, apparently when
they got the ball. No, there was no fighting, Nobody
was going crazy. Everybody was cheering and had before the kid.
I think, I think it was just a great thing.
What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how it should be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if the ball's coming right through someone, I'm giving
the guy a chance instead of jumping, everybody jumps in
like a pile. That's what happened with the fifty fifty ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but still.
Speaker 4: Fighting over it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it's it's always great to see
father and that that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's the kid. I think his name is Zach.
Congrats to him and kudos to him, and uh, that's
that's super cool. They they're saying, of course, you know
how they talk about all these different you know, special
balls that are hit that this is probably you know,
maybe a six six, seven figure ball. I mean, it's
incredible to think that something like that, you know, it's
gonna be worth that. But you know, I think that
was what the first time that that had ever happened
in the World Series.
Speaker 2: I don't know about seven figures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know about seven figures, and yeah, maybe
six figures then maybe six.
Speaker 2: So it's a good story.
Speaker 4: It's a great story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's those are the kind of stories you want
to read about.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. And and you know what was funny is
his parents had told him that they were taking him
to the dentists and they surprised him with World Series
tickets instead. So I just think that's so cool.
Speaker 3: That's that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine being a ten year old kid and you're going, oh, man,
going to the dentist. Then your parents go, hey, here's
the World Series tickets, and and then all of a sudden,
you'd be going I'd be going crazy if it was me.
You know, I can only imagine what a ten year
old me would have would have done.
Speaker 3: You know, that's once in a lifetime. That's a memory
for the rest of his life and his kids and
grand kid.
Speaker 4: Here about that.
Speaker 1: School, Oh yeah, oh yeah, I've heard they've they've done
a media tour in LA and all this kind of stuff.
So I think it's I think it's just it's just
a great story. Yeah, catch up on a few comments here.
Yankee Yankee fans have beenentories for things like throwing batteries
and beer cans of players yeah, would you rather have
once in a lifetime World Series game ball or a
tiny fifty I don't know. I probably take the County
Ball since it's gone for so much money. I'm retired
and I could use the money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess for the money wise, but for the memories.
You know, that game like that would be just something.
If I got that, I.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't all right, so switch gears, I guess. This week
Alan Ginter came out and it's a pretty big checklist.
And of course, you know, you have all the different
eclectic people in there, all the you know, I guess
what there there's all kinds of content creators as other
sports celebrities and stars. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty cool. Actually,
that's something I'll buy a blaster or two of Alan Ginter.
I mean, I don't collect baseball cards anymore, but you
know I do. I do like Alan Ginter just because
of the variety of things you can get in there.
One of the things that they have in there this year,
and I think Chris, you guys we were talking in
the green room before this, uh that they've had some
Westminster doll cards or some doll cards in the past,
but this year they have a Westminster Doll card insert Orlando.
What do you what are your thoughts on that. I
think it's pretty neat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's cool. I mean I like dogs.
I've had dogs and I actually bought the set on
eBay of the previous one that they had before. It's
just you know, their little little two six sized cards
and I like that. I mean, you know, I like
Allen and Ginter. I like the Good One Champions too.
They're all kind of the same thing. They have all
these mix of different types of sports and dogs. One
you have like sandwiches and just a lot of cool stuff,
you know. I kind of enjoy it. I think it's
a it's a good mix. You can get some pretty
good hits on. There's some pretty good autographs too, I've
heard in there, Chris.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a I think one. I think one autograph
that I think people are going to be chasing after
is Tim Robinson, the comedian who is on the show
I Think You Should Leave, which I don't know if
you've ever seen that before. He has one character where
there's one skit where he's dressed up as the hot
as a hot dog guy and he crashes like the
Wienermobile into the side of the building and everybody's looking
at him, and he's like, why are you looking at me?
We should all work together because we're all trying to
find the guy who did this. It's kind of funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think of a bow from one million cubs.
He opened a case and I think he got like
a Daddy Yankee autograph or something like that. Oh yeah,
a lot of odd stuff like that. It's pretty cool.
Oh they have Mantlin Clement.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's gonna that's big right there. Yeah, makes
me want to go out and buy a blaster box.
You never know. So one of the things that you're
talking about the Westminster Dog Kittle or Dog Club ship cards.
There are also also memorabilia cards. Check this out. This
is a one of one of Frankie uh a k
A Sponge Mackenzie. But that's that's pretty neat. They have
look like part of the ribbon. So I thought that
was really neat. And of course here here's some of
the bass cards and there there there's uh rufus and
then we've got uh yeah yeah a k a rent
in ten for those of you who are older. But
I I really like uh, Alan Ginter. This year. They
also have a Memphis boy in there. They've got John Daily.
Speaker 3: Look at that. Yeah, you know they have autographs of Daily.
I don't. I didn't look at the autograph list, but
there's a lot of autographs just all the types of
different people from all walks of life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I asked the guys at Tops at the Tops,
Uh you know that the Tops whatever it was, that
the thing they have at the National. I've asked him
the last couple of years, say how can I get
on an Allen and Ginter card? And They're like, probably not,
probably can't get on one. Well, if I had enough money,
I probably could get get home one. I'm sure. I
think it would be cool to be on a Allen
and Ginter card for sure. But yeah, this this John
Daily card. I've heard that there's a Chase card in
there where he's smoking a heater, the variation. But yeah,
I like Alan Ginter. I will probably when they hit
the shelves at Target, I will probably buy a blaster
and do a video on it and have some fun
with it. But I really do like it. So, uh,
let's check out a few more comments here real quick. Uh, Philly,
Jo says, Spud, Yeah, Spuds Mackenzie. And then uh, let's
see here Stukes Santa Daily. Yeah, he just looks crazy
out there, and of course he always has those really
loud pants where they're all kinds of crazy psychedelic colors.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you, the man can hit a golf far.
Speaker 1: Baby. Yeah. I wonder if he has a rip card.
Speaker 4: By the way, they got in there, they've got the
rip cards too.
Speaker 1: Yep, they got the rip cards double triple Yeah, oh yeah,
I saw that. Is that the first time they've had
triple rip cards?
Speaker 2: We've had them in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't know, so allright, Mookie says, if you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. All right, somebody's beeping, is that you, Chris?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's me. I gotta I gotta step out for
just one second.
Speaker 1: I'll be right back, all right, Chris. Chris is heading
out at the door for a little bit. Yeah, all right, So, uh,
let me go back to my subjects here and my topics.
Speaker 4: And see what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: All right. Here, here's just a fun one real quick.
Did anyone give out any card for Halloween? I did not.
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you. If we got five groups, I'm
talking two or three kids at a time, that was
a lot. I didn't even give out a full bag
of candy. Yeah got candy. My wife was already saying
back and returned some of this candy. Yeah, we just
didn't have anything. I think what's happening now is a
lot of the kids are going to different events.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know here in the neighborhood, they had like in
the clubhouse where I'm at, they had just a big
Halloween party over there, so everybody hung out there instead
of walking the neighborhood. So I did not give out
any cards. I have done that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done it in the past.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I did it back when donners had their bags of
cards that you could give out. That's the last time
I did it. You know that kind of dates me.
That's what back in the nineties. That's thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But what I can show you what I did
do I'll show you my the candy I gave out.
Speaker 3: Here real quick, Hey you go, ketchup, got ketchup and Jelly.
Speaker 1: I gave out quite a few tricks along with my treats,
So it was fun. I think the neighborhood kids may
be on to me. But luckily my house has not
been toilet paper though that's that's probably that's a good thing.
But I do it every year. It's it's just something
I've been doing, like for years and years and years.
But yeah, here are the packs that Panini and Pokemon.
I guess I don't know who makes Pokemon cars. I
guess that shows my ignorance on that. But these are
the packs that you could have bought this year to
give out. I know that I saw online quite a
few people were giving out like either the score of
Treat for the football or the Haunted Hoops for basketball,
and Pokemon, and from what I heard, Pokemon was probably
the most popular of all the packs that people were
giving out.
Speaker 3: Well, Pokemon has become really really big for the kids.
If you look at the hobby for the Pokemon, it's
just about seventy five percent of their kids versus the
sports you know where you have mostly adults.
Speaker 4: Yes, and you check you know, the grading CSG.
Speaker 3: I think eighty percent or ninety percent of the cards
they've graded are Pokemon and even PSA. I think almost
half a million of their cards they graded were Pokemon cards. Yeah,
that is just going crazy.
Speaker 1: It has gone crazy. You know. Pokemon and TCG cards
I think are literally half of PSA's business right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and PSA this was a huge month for them
in October. They graded almost one and a half million cards.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's I think it's crazy.
Speaker 2: It is that.
Speaker 1: That's actually another subject that I wanted to talk to
touch on PSA. They're on track, I think to grade
almost sixteen million cards this year. That's that's incredible. From
what I understand, I think they graded in twenty twenty two.
I think they graded like ten million, and then in
twenty twenty three they did like thirteen So now they're
up to sixteen million, so they are cranking it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And those two years were the pandemics too, and
during the pandemic, I mean right after the pandemic where
everybody was sending stuff in. But it's just wow. My
worry is that, you know, how much is too much?
You know, when you think about it and you think
about it. We talked about this a little bit in
the green room. When you think about how many let's say,
Otani cards are being produced just this year alone with
the tops now, I mean you've got what five six
hundred thousand every time they produce the tops. Now when
they have the base card tops, base I think is
over a million base cards of Otani. And then you've
got the variations and so on and so on. I
mean you're talking. I mean I would estimate three to
five million Otani cards year alone. How many of those
are being graded collected logan? That's my concern, you know,
And we were talking about that. How many of those
can the hobby handle? You know, how much is too much?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree, you know, and talking about how much
PSA is graded. Uh, the thickness of a slab is
like a quarter of an inch. If you take sixteen million,
that's what four million inches. That's like three thousand, three
hundred and thirty three feet of slabs if you if
you shot them up. I mean think about it. Mount
Everest is only twenty nine thousand and thirty two feet,
So how many Mount Everest is that? That's that's like
over ten Mount Everest.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible to think that that that in California,
they're just shipping that many cards out all, you know,
every day. I mean, it's just amazing to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the the amount of plastic that's being used.
Oh yeah, stuff, and you know, and they got to
end up somewhere, and what's happening. And I'm going to
a card show right after this and going to a
card show and I'm going to see it again full
of slabs, ten dollar slabs. Tons of cards that are
like dollar cards now or some even less than dollar cards,
or were slabed a couple of years ago, are now
being sold for five dollars in the slabs and instead
of being dollar boxes, slight dollar slabs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and nobody's buying them, you see.
Speaker 3: Now the kids and you know, we talked about a
little bit earlier in the green room there about John
Newman's article, and Chris you talked about that too, that
the kids now collecting these cars or they're just looking
to move the cards. And when you see kids nowadays
at the card shows, their whole collection is in the vilbox.
That's their entire collection, you know. And when they go
up to the dealers because they're looking to move cards
or trade or sell or whatever, you know, we'll say
to them, well, which cards, you know, the personal ones
that you don't want to sell, no whatever, give me
the money's right, I'm moving them. I mean, these kids
are keeping cards through three weeks, two three months. You know,
are people going to hold on to certainty these cards
like me as a collector, five, ten, twenty thirty years
until I retire, like we just did, you know? Is
that gonna happen? Is collecting still a thing? That's that's
the question I want to put out there.
Speaker 2: And you see these kids, and I wrote about this
for Hobby News Daily last month. You know, they're all slabbed,
they're all chrome stocked cards because you know who wants paper.
There's not a single card in their little Pelican box
that's older than they are. And these kids, you know,
we talk about ten xing the hobby. This is not
the way you ten x the hobby because these kids,
they're going to be in for a rude awakening in
about three to five years or maybe maybe five or ten.
But there's going to come a day where a lot
of these cards. No one's even gonna want these cards.
I mean, just the sheer. Even if you have like
a PSA ten of a decent player, there's just so
many of them out there. Nobody's gonna want them. And
even if you have like a low number parallel of
that player that's at a PSA ten, there's just so
many parallels out there that no one's gonna want these cards.
So again, are we raising a new generation of collectors
or not? Because I don't see a whole lot of
these kids slumped over a dollar box going through all
the stacks and trying to knock off a checklist. I
think is in it for the wrong reasons, and that's
trying to make an easy buck exactly.
Speaker 3: I think that's the point. Now, Is anybody gonna want
those cards and mature parallel and stuff. Yeah, I think
people will want them, but at the right price or
something like that. They'll be collected in the future when
the price goes down so much that hey, you know what,
these parallels look pretty good for a couple of bucks.
But you know, when you think about how many autographs
do need of when before example, I mean for a collector,
you know, but not even when come on, I mean,
who's going to swallow up a million because eventually it's
going to be a million win autographs.
Speaker 2: I think Evan from goch gts made this point. He
was looking at uh, the checklist for Stadium Club Baseball
this year, and there are over one hundred players that
signed for the product. But some of those players don't
even have bas cards, which means that these are, you know,
scraping the bottom of the barrel level of player. Even
if you pull an a low number autograph of one
of those kind of players, or if you get like
a red, white and blue die cut nuclear refractor autograph
out of Bowman draft of some eighth or ninth round
draft pick that eventually doesn't make it, does it really
matter of how low numbered it is, if it's just
some scrub player, does anybody really is anybody ten fifteen
to twenty years from now doing them want these cards?
Speaker 3: Now? There are there are cards, you know, that are
going to be valuable, that are going up in value,
you know, but people have to be smarter about it,
you know. I was watching the video. I think it
was Junk Black's hero and he was talking about I
think it was him, I'm not sure, but anyway, he
got it. He got the eighty six Thundros Jose Canseco,
which was his biggest dream card, and he wanted that card.
He could never afford it, and he got it for
Christmas and he treasured that card. He put it in
a in a hard case and they told him to
I think his father also got like a little mini
safe to put it in and said, you know, hold
on to that. That's going to be worth all this
money and worth all this money. And he still has
it today. It's worth you know, ten bucks, you know.
And you know, so you have to look at that
because that card back then was that was one hundred
dollars card way back in the day, you know, and
now it's a five to ten dollars card. But there
were also other cards that people didn't even think about
back then that are now worth hundreds of dollars of cards,
you know. So so you got to just find the
right you know. I mean, if you look at you
know what am I thinking of the the Fleer Kirby
Pucket card. You know, back in the day the Update
it wasn't worth that much money. You could have bought
it cheaper than that Ensco card, And the same thing
with the Clements card from that update set.
Speaker 4: You could have bought it at the price of the
Kencco card.
Speaker 3: And now that Clements and that Pucket are a lot
higher a lot. You know, they've gone a lot higher.
So you know there are cards that are going to
continue to go up, which cards they are until a
few years from from now when they start all of
a sudden going up.
Speaker 4: Look at the Star.
Speaker 3: Jordan card now is when it's going up, they say
it's hyped up and that stuff, and it probably is
over hyped and over you know whatever. But you know
there are some cards that eventually and that Jordan card
back then was actually worth more than the eighty seventh
Fleer back when Beckett started when when the first Beckett
came out, but eventually, you know, it switched. Eighty seventh
Fleer became more expensive and more popular, and now the
Star card is coming back and becoming more expensive and
more popular. So you know there are ebbs and flows
in this hobby. If this hobby long enough, you're gonna
notice you and see all that. And what you have
to be careful is fomo. You know, that fear of
missing out where I gotta get this Otwani card now
this year that he just won the World Series. You
know that's the fomo. And it happens, you know with
all play. You know, look at justin Herbert people were
buying just a Herbert cart for one hundred thousand dollars,
you know. So the thing is, you know, you have
to be patient. You gotta be smart in what you buy,
and you got to be smarter what you hold on
to and and you know what yourself, it's just.
Speaker 2: A I still have a one hundred count lot of
Eric Davis rookies. He was gonna be the next Mickey
mantle Man.
Speaker 3: Yes he was. And the eighty eighty four Dundris Don
Manley that's actually is now a bigger car than the
Conseco card.
Speaker 2: Yeah, White Sox Tom has something interesting in the in
the chat. Uh there's been a second Brothers sighting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in I think A ninety three Ultra.
Speaker 4: I don't know it was in.
Speaker 2: Uh, it was in the A ninety four upper Deck
box set.
Speaker 3: He's kind of dunking and in the background you could
see it. I saw that, and that's that's me. And yeah,
exactly that card now is going to shoot up just
because of the going to or whatever. But yeah, check
it out and maybe you couldn't show it, but yeah,
but you have cards like that that eventually are will
come out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, getting back to is collecting still
a thing. I'm beginning to wonder if it's not cool
to be a collector anymore, and it's just cool to
be a card you know, flipping cards. I mean it's
you know, I know us older guys, that's old heads.
You know, we we collect and we try to collect
sets and things, and and even set collecting I don't
think is a thing anymore for the most part, even
though the p s a set rest SEMs to be
doing quite well, I think set collecting as a whole
is just not a not a cool thing to do anymore.
Speaker 2: And to some of the a lot of the products
that are being made really aren't designed to be collected.
They're designed to be broken. I mean, yes, you could
still collect a base set, but on the other hand,
if you're trying to collect all the inserts, good luck
with that. I mean you look at like you look
at the checklist for I don't know, Tops, Chrome Update Baseball,
and there are just so many case hit level inserts
and multi case level inserts that why even bother trying
to collect this?
Speaker 1: I mean can't even.
Speaker 2: If you had Elon money, you cannot collect a set
that's fifteen cards. And all serial number to ten or fifty.
Speaker 3: And then next year you have to do the same,
right because you're a collector. It gets to a point
that it's you know, unfortunately the fanatics, they are just
not the collector right now. They're not thinking about the collector.
But you know, I mean looking at I look at
it to look at things positively, because I'm a positive person,
So I'm looking at it that you know, things go
in ebbs and flows. It goes like that everywhere in
politics and in cards.
Speaker 4: And what's I think what's.
Speaker 3: Gonna end up happening is that it's going to have
to go back to focusing on the collector because all
of these people right now that are that are flipping
and flipping and flipping, we're going to lose some of those,
but some of those are gonna hang on and they're
going to look back and they're gonna learn from their
experiences and say, you know what, now I know what
the hobby is all about. It's not all about the flipping.
It's about yeah, you sell some, but you hold on
to some some that you like, or some that you
feel that could have future value or whatever the reason is.
You know, But I think that is when people are
going to revert. Some of these guys are going to
look back and say, you know, this flipping things not
working for me. But I still do love the cards
and I think I do want to collect some cards,
and we're going to get back to that.
Speaker 4: We'll get to get back to that.
Speaker 3: As the prices continue to go down, the collectors start
coming back into the market, because a lot of collectors
and you talk to a lot of the collectors and say, no,
you know, I'm priced out of the market right now,
or they were, they say last year. But now they're
not going to be priced out of the market. Yeah,
they're priced out of the boxes, the retail, the hobby
box hostile. Yeah, sure, that's because fanatics. But as far
as these things start coming down, and they're coming down now,
even the vintage. If you look at some of the
videos that Greg has done for Midlife, you know you
can buy sixties really maze cards for under fifty dollars,
I mean, you know, lower grade, but still and I
think a lot of collectors, and some of maybe the
young guys will be drawn and I am seeing some
of them being drawn more into the vintage or some
more stable cards. That are going to hold their value
a little bit more. So. I think what we're going through, honestly,
this is a learning experience. Remember most of these that
have come into the hobby, the Jeff Wilson's of the world,
three or four years, they've been in the hobby, you know,
they haven't been in the hobby twenty thirty, forty fifty
years like we have.
Speaker 4: So they're experiencing.
Speaker 3: And even now Jeff Wilson is going back and you
see him getting involved in vintage, even opening a vintage
cello pack. You know, he didn't know what the hell
that poster was which But you know, I don't know
if you saw a video, but you know, the bottom
line is, I think this is all a learning process
for the hobby and all of these new guys they're learning.
They're learning by trial and error like we did when
we were young. You know, Hey, I bought those Kevin
Moss cards and those Joe Charbonneau cards and all that
kind of stuff, and you learn. I think we are
the page to these guys saying, hey, this flipping thing
ain't working for me as well as I was bought,
you know, But they're refocusing, and I think this is
a good time, and as prices come down, collectives going
to flood the hobby, and I think it's going to
be overall, it's a good thing. You know. It's like
they say, you have to go through bad times to.
Speaker 4: Go through good things.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: We went through the.
Speaker 3: Nineteen twenty nine depression and after that it was roaring,
the roaring, you know, thirties. So I think that's what's
happening in the hobby overall. I think it's it's just
to happen because that's the way people learn. But as
time goes by, I think it's going to create more
more people that stay. And the people that are going
to stay are going to be the solid hobby as
a solid collector, not the flippers that are going to
come and go, and some of those are already leaving.
I think a lot of those have already left.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think they have ten I'm a big believer
in history repeating itself every thirty to forty years, and
I think we're kind of where the hobby was in
the early nineties.
Speaker 2: Now. The good news is the mid nineties were a
great time to be a baseball card collector because all
of the rot in the hobby was cleared out at
the end of the junk blacks era. It left the
I hate using this term, but the real collectors behind
and the card companies had to be innovative and they
had to make their products a little different, and yes,
some of it was gimmicky, but you look back on
some of those products in the mid nineties and a
lot of collectors look back with, you know, why don't
we have cards like this anymore? You know, why don't
we have defects or die cut cards or etched foil
cards anymore? I think that day is coming a little
bit sooner than later.
Speaker 3: So it was the time that a lot of people
got out of the hobby and they had to innovate.
They had to come on because the true collectors were
still there. And those collects who collected during the nineties,
really we're fewer people were collecting. You know, those people
really did extremely well, because you've got some of those
nineties inserts that today are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 4: And why is that? Because there weren't that much.
Speaker 3: Interest in that, And you know, it was it was
the time, and now I think we're going to get
back to those days. Like you said, Chris, we're heading
back to those days where get these not non collectors
that are in it for the money. They're eventually going
to start getting out and we're going to get those
collectors back. And I think we are getting new collectors
and you see them. I think the industry that does
the best is the Pokemon because Pokemon is getting these
kids really early, and they are, you know, their in
love with these characters all the way through and you see,
you know, you know they're they're they're holding on as
collectors more than Yeah, you do trade the Pokemon and
all that, but a lot of these kids are collect
I think where you know, we need to get more
to start collecting baseball cards or racing cards or whatever cards,
whatever you collect. And I do think going back to
the beginning of the conversation, this world series that we
just saw is a big boost I think for collector.
You know, I think this is going to really get
people more into the hobby because of the excitement that
happened and some of these players that sometimes you just
didn't see on a daily basis, like a Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 1: So so, Jeff says that years ninety five through ninety
nine are awesome cards to collect. He says he loves
to hunt now. I agree with that because some of
the best racing cards, because I'm a NASCAR collector, like
Zenith and things, those were made during that era, and
I really didn't appreciate them then. But now collectors have come,
you know, like there's some dale earned hard cards that
are really hard to find. They've come to appreciate those
now and they're harder to find for sure, And I
agree with that.
Speaker 3: Those are the first one.
Speaker 2: And now that I'm older and have some more disposable income,
I'm actually able to go back and collect a lot
of the cards that I wanted to collect when I was,
you know, in my teens and twenties, but didn't have
the money to make to afford them. I mean, to
be fair, I was in the Air Force, and I
didn't make a whole lot of them.
Speaker 1: And Brendan says, without the benefit of experienced new collectors
will have to go through the right of passage of
getting burned like I did and I did too. If
they say it won't be because of financial gain, that's
a that's a true statement, and I agree with that
one as well, because I can't tell you how many
Greg Jefferies I was buying up back in the day.
You see, you can see where I am now.
Speaker 2: You know, Logan, I sent you a screenshot of that
other Menendez card that.
Speaker 1: Was okay, how did you how did you send it?
Speaker 2: Share screen?
Speaker 1: Okay? So I can find it here if it's under
is it? I don't know where it's at. O's see it?
Hold on, I got it here.
Speaker 4: Here it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you can see right next to Michael's knees,
those two uh, the white young gentleman right there, that's them.
Speaker 1: I see them.
Speaker 2: They're in hard number eighty nine in the nineteen ninety
four upper Deck Rare Air set. Like I said, this
was a boxed set. It's a ninety cards, all of MJ.
I believe that there was also a Hobby exclusive gold
version of this, but in order to get that you
have to open up the set and see if you've
got a gold card. I think did the same thing
in baseball, where one factory set in the case had
gold holograms. So I think that was the year of
the Jeter rookie. So something they'll chase after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny that you say that because uh,
I was wanting to talk a little bit and we'll
do it here in a minute about some scary cards
since it is, you know, Halloween time. Some cards that
I have in my collection that are to me kind
of scary. And actually I have the other card, the
Hoops card with the Menindaz Brothers is one of my
scary cards. That's pretty cool. Christ Now I've got to
find that card. And so I guess good luck with that.
Now's not the time to.
Speaker 3: Be getting those are cards you good have gotten from
the buck now.
Speaker 1: It's like, I think I forget it me in no
way ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It's like the Menendez card. I mean it was like
a that's a five cent card and then they went
up to like fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I wonder if they get released from prison. Yeah,
if that's going to lower the value of their cards,
you know, I guess some of the mystique is them
being in prison.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think you will be able to get them autographed,
now that's true.
Speaker 4: Ye would want to, man, I don't know, want not
for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's that's that's a little over the top.
I think. Okay, let's so let's see here. Let's see
one of the topics that that we can talk about
real quick, real quick. I want to touch on this
real quick. The the one of one triple auto Olympic
card of Curry, James and Durant. Where in the world
is that card still out there? Yeah, I mean you
would have thought by now somebody would have said, oh
my god, I got the I got the redemption and
I'm going to be a gazillionaire.
Speaker 3: Well, they said that it has been sent out. They've
all been sent out, So somebody has it. Yeah, but
that's what they're saying. Somebody out there has it now,
you know, who knows. There are still a lot of
unopened packs for sale on eBay there for a couple
of thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: They say, maybe somebody has has it.
Speaker 3: And it's selling other packs there, you know, because as
soon as it's found, all all those packs and all
that that's on eBay, the price is just go whoop
down to nothing. So who knows. But I think, uh,
it's got to turn up or somebody already has it.
I think somebody's I think somebody has it.
Speaker 2: Somebody uh yeah, down low because you know, well, you
know it hasn't been redeemed yet.
Speaker 4: Well, it hasn't been.
Speaker 2: Physical card is still in tops his possession.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the redemptionbody has.
Speaker 2: The redemption, but they haven't.
Speaker 4: It's out there somewhere with that redemption.
Speaker 1: So do you think it's kind of like you know,
the smart people that win the lottery before they announced
that they've won, they they've gotten a lawyer involved, you know,
financial guy, get all that stuff, I get that foundation laid,
and then go, hey, I won. Maybe that's what's going on.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I would do.
Speaker 3: I would uh maybe contact some uh private buyers that
have money or something golden or something not not like
golden and try to sell it privately, just the redemption card.
And that way you don't get involved. Your name is
not out there, you know, if you want to stay
private about it, you just get your money and go
and nothing, you know, you know, sell it privately offline.
There's a lot I don't I don't know if they
still have the actual bounties or not.
Speaker 4: There were bounties on that card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. And there were so many bounties
and they kept changing and everybody was trying to outdo
the other one, and it was just crazy. I lost
track of all that that was going on. So Man
City says that on eBay that Jordan card is going
from anywhere from one hundred and fifteen to follow Ready Jesus,
that is absolutely Yeah.
Speaker 3: Two days ago it was like fifty sixty bucks and
now it was fifty to five hundred. Wow. Yeah, well
there's got to be there's got to be very few
of them graded.
Speaker 4: Especially you know in PSA, tens of those.
Speaker 3: I mean, who the hell would have grated that before?
Speaker 1: No, nobody would have, you know, because it was a
box set, right, who would even You're not going to.
Speaker 2: See a whole lot of these broken up for single right, so.
Speaker 1: They will now, you know, as Fred Flinstone would say,
oh boy.
Speaker 4: For two dead for two killers.
Speaker 1: You know, geez they sometimes it's just it's just amazing
to me some of the things that that go on.
Speaker 3: I could buy a low grade Jackie Robinson card for
five hundred dollars versus something.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, let's think about that Jackie Robinson Menindez Brothers,
which one am I going to pick? Jackie?
Speaker 2: Or you can buy a box of Bowman Draft when
it comes out for Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: That's That's the other thing about collecting now is the
box prices. But that that's that's probably a topic for
another day. Yeah, it's it's just absolutely insane, some of
these box prices. So so I do want to show
some some scary cards. Uh, let me let me find
my cards here. Uh, you know, Halloween, you know always
conjures up. You know what kind of what kind of
scary cards you have out there? What do you consider scary?
Speaker 3: I got one one card I want. One of the
worst sets ever is the ninety one Fleeer, But they
have one of the best insert sets, which is the
Provision Cards. And I love this because it's the Green Monster.
Oh gosh, with the green Monster in the background, Mike
Greenwell Green and there's the wall you can see the
green Monster.
Speaker 1: It was so scary.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to share that.
Speaker 1: I thought about my Greenwell in Forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was great, Chris.
Speaker 2: So I have a card that I wanted to share
that I found.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: So in the nineties, Pinnacle Brands made a set of
inserts for their hockey card sets called masks, and it's
just the goalie masks, but they're all done in defects.
And I think they also did this for the NASCAR
helmets as well, where they took each driver's helmet and
made it defects. Well. Well, this is the mask of
a guy named Blaine Locker who was the goaltender for
the Boston Bruins at the time. This is from ninety
five ninety six Pinnacle Hockey and you can just see
the demon that he has on on his grill. It's
pretty scary looking that. That is kind of scary looking.
Speaker 1: Man. That's that's a wild card right there. For sure.
Speaker 2: That's just one card. Because a lot of the goalie masks,
well even now they're they're even now they're kind of scary.
Some of them are pretty scary looking.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Gordon says, Mike Greenwell was his Greg
Jefferies back in the day. There you go, Orlando, Yeah
he was. Yeah, I liked Mike Greenwell. Uh so you
can show me all the scary cards you want to
have iron him. Yeah, that's a that's a nice scary card.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 1: So I'll show you probably one of the scariest cards
for me here real quick. It's this card right here.
It's seventy eight tops, Greg.
Speaker 3: I got, I got something else I want? Yeah, that's
that's pretty bad.
Speaker 1: I mean just the airbrush and that card haunted me
back in the seventies, like, oh I could, I just couldn't.
It just scared me to look at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's that's pretty bad.
Speaker 4: How about this one? How about the Oscar gamble?
Speaker 1: Oh heck yeah, man right there back.
Speaker 4: In seventy six, nobody had hair like that.
Speaker 1: No, he had a big afro. Man, that thing is unbelievable.
Speaker 4: They didn't even fit in his cap.
Speaker 1: Here here's one for you, don got I think? Yeah,
it uh makes you wonder if with a good gust
to win, he might fly away? You know. It's that
was that was kind.
Speaker 4: Of it's kind of scary, but Dumbo years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course, UH got a few others here.
Here's here's the one I was talking about with the
Meninda's brothers. Yeah, Mark Jackson card. You see you see
the Menendez brothers over there off to the left. And
of course this is alike. This may not necessarily be scary,
but it's probably been voted like the worst baseball card
of all time, This Bob Handling card.
Speaker 3: That's a classic.
Speaker 1: That that that is a classic.
Speaker 3: He doesn't even look like a baseball player, looks like
a nerd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that's just looks like a convict, like
a convict with his shot shot. Yeah, he's uh, he's
six to uh two hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 2: The glasses twenty five to life for now.
Speaker 1: But then you've also got to watch out for Wally
Moon and the uh, the the fuzzy worm going across
his forehead there. That one, that one is kind of
kind of scary. And I think I've got one more
here for you, this one right here.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right there.
Speaker 1: That haircut is scary to me.
Speaker 2: Man time hockey right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is man with the bangs and everything else.
That's uh, that's Screen seventies for sure, no doubt. So yeah,
I always, uh, I have a I have a collection.
I'm not trying to promote anything, but I do have
a collection of of what I call sophomoric slabs and
it's all funny slab p s a card And those
are some of the cards I've gotten my collection and
I think are funny or you know, they have their
obscure or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, fun stuff that's really cool.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're getting close to the top of
the hour, Fellas. So Orlando, I know you're not on
social media a whole lot, but what you got going on?
Where can people get a hold of you? And uh
got anything you want to say to the people out there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm only on YouTube at me on a collector's dream.
On YouTube, I'll put out probably two, three or four
videos every week.
Speaker 4: I put out some pretty good videos in the.
Speaker 3: Last week, which was the must have cards from the
seventies and from the eighties. So I showed some of
the top rookie cards from the seventies and eighties, so
you go back and take a look at that. And
I do a lot of card show videos, So I'm
gonna be going to a card show right after this
and I'll probably upload the video tomorrow. And that's what
I got going all.
Speaker 1: Right, cool man? What about you, Chris?
Speaker 2: Well, next weekend, I'm going to the Toronto Expo. It's
ninety five percent hockey cards and I don't collect hockey cards,
but the reason why I go is that there are
a lot There are a number of baseball dealers up there,
and you'll you're gonna find stuff that you don't see often,
especially on this side of the border, and that I
need some importants in my life too. So uh they
they got the best coffee I've been up in Canada.
Speaker 1: Tim Horton, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Other than that, I'm still waiting for my Hobby
News Daily article to be published. I submitted it a
couple of weeks ago, still waiting for Danny to, I guess,
get around to putting it out. Other than that, you
can check me out on social media on whatever Elon's
calling Twitter now or and uh check out baseball card
Pedia as well. So and more important than that, keep
on rocking in the free world, folks.
Speaker 1: And you know what I think we're gonna We're gonna
end it on that. Everybody, have a good weekend, Come
back next week watch a the next episode of Hobby
Hotline with your favorite Hobby Hobby content creators, and I
guess we will see you all next week. H