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or any of the companies they represent. Now today on
the show, we welcome back James van Prague, one of
the more popular guests we've had on the show.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have James back to have a conversation
about what is going on in the world, the pain
and the suffering, the wars overseas, and all of the
things that seem to be heading humanity in the wrong direction.
I wanted to get James's point of view from the
other side, what he has been hearing and what he
has been told. So let's dive in. I like to
welcome back to the show, returning champion, James in Prague.
Speaker 3: You chal Champion, Thank you. Because of you, Well, that's
when the show starred that you were the best hosts
interview I've had in the past several years, because you're
so into it and you have knowledge and wisdom about
it and education, and it's a it really is wonderful
to talk to someone who understands this world.
Speaker 1: Oh but you know what, I really appreciate that, Jim.
That means a lot coming from someone like you, who's
who has who is a volume of knowledge and experience
in this space as well. I think we're both trying
to bring some light into the world. So I do truly,
truly appreciate that, my friend. Yeah, and you we were
talking about before we started is our last conversation, you know,
cut a little fire. People really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I did a tour in Europe and people coming
up to me in every different country I was at
and they said, I heard when next Levels saw the podcast,
I was really great, and you now it's great and
a lot of people so yeah, about twenty people come
up to me during that tour in different places and
just saying to me, well, I just heard your podc
And of course I did do these things. I don't
know where they end up, of course, but yeah, a
lot of people are hearing your podcast all over the world,
which is fantastic.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Like, just like you, I just do these
I don't know where they end up either. They are
tools of the universe to use as they wish. It's basically,
whoever needs to hear the conversation at the time they
need to hear it. It's just my job to put
it out there into the world or whatever happens to.
Speaker 3: It is great.
Speaker 1: So, James, the first things I wanted to talk about
in this conversation is I keep getting contacted by my tribe,
if you will, about what is happening overseas, the violence,
the wars, the conflicts that are going on, and people,
you know, we on the show always talking about the
humanity's great shift, our consciousness is rising, all of these
kind of things, and that is all true. And I
think both things kind of have to happen at the
same time. From my personal point of view, Can you
talk a little bit about, from your point of view,
from your experience and your connection that I don't have
to the other side, why this is all happening right now?
Speaker 3: Well, it's a good question, and it's a hard question
in some respects because from a spiritual point of view,
you got to remember that this Earth's school is it's
a school for the souls. For the souls, it's a
school for us to grow and expand and we come
back here from It's important to know we all come
back here all different levels of souls. So whether it's
a baby soul that comes back who thinks that power
and money and war is that everything? Or you have
you know, advanced postgraduate souls who are light workers and
healers and trying to bring love and and passion. And
then you have of course those middle souls who are
just still trying to figure things out. So when you
have a space like that, we have a school like that,
you will inevitably will create different scenarios and different dramas,
different things to play out and to work out. So
it's all about growth, and it's all a bit evolution
and transformation. And not only is it personal transformation for
each one of our souls here, this is a place
to learn and to grow and to demonstrate compassion, understanding,
patience in all different ways. Yeah, and not only for
us as a one individual soul, but a soul group.
And also there is karma too, which is we'd have
personal karma, our country karma, our world karma. Obviously these
places of conflict right now have their own karma. So
it's trying to work those things out. It's no easy
answer because there's so many aspects involved here. And I
think that it really comes down to I feel when
anything's extremism, whether whatever it is, politics or whatever, extreme,
in any way, it's a bad thing. I think things
need to be balanced and moderate because anyth extreme is
not good, closes things off, closes the mind of close
it from learning. We've got to be open minded. So
in some strange ways, through conflict, through upsets, we learn,
we grow, We understand that this is not the way
things should be, and hopefully we'll get to that message,
which is like human life is precious and no matter
where it is, and no matter if it's in a
battlefield or in a political court room wherever it might be,
life are precious. And we got to realize that. And
we also got to realize Alex and I think it's
I really think the bigger picture is we've got to
realize that we're all connected, that we're not separate. That
big illusion we have in this three dimensional world is
that we're separate. We're not. We're out all together. That's
the big you know, we can't see the cloak, you know,
or the called the value of forgetfulness. We come back
here that things are just separate from one another, and
they're not. They're actually together. So the interesting thing is
what one does, whether it's thought, where it's an action,
affects on the person. It affects all of us. It
affects every single one of us. And that's why, in
this human level world affected by this, we feel it
because within our being it's part of us as well,
and we want to do the best we can. So
it's it's a playground here, and it's it's try to
do the best we can. And I often people ask
me what can they do, and I said, well, in
order to change a macrocosm, you first got to change
a microcosm. We got to change what's going on in
your own life, conflicts in your own world, people in
your own world. And I can say this to you
because we've proven it, you and I have proven it
that what you do the microcosm will affect a macrocosm.
So even the podcast here will go out to many, many,
many people, and on some subtle levels, it will affect
them in some way, maybe in a conscious way, the
level and help them to act accordingly. I think it
forces people to go back inside themselves and to ask
questions like what is going on with this world? What's
going on with me in this world? We'll get into
excuse me, how many to be more compassionate myself, my
own personal life, so to ask these number of questions.
But it's transformation, it's growth, it's change, and it's it's
I mean, it's it's a horrible thing to see. But
I also think this, there's no other place around that
we do this, the other school and the galaxies that
I know of that as this type of free will,
this type of you know, different levels of soul. Of
course there could be I might be for limited my
what I'm aware of, but this is the Earth School
is one where conflicts play out. We grow the most
in many ways. Yeah, and I think that, I think
to me, once you learn something, you can't unlearn it.
So for instance, I say, you know, when you're a kids,
you learn that are read lightnings, you can't cross the street.
We've learned that one, and we don't have to. We
don't unlearn things. We learn and we progress. So there's
never a degress, is a progress. So I hopefully for
a human kind, we're going to progress from this and
from conflict to conflict where you felt. But when I
first heat all these conflicts in the world, the first
thought I had, the first feeling I sensed, was it
feels so archaic. It feels so old, this way of
battles like that, it feels like so long ago. It
doesn't belong here anymore. We've reached a different level of
awareness or consciousness, and like it seems so backwards to me.
What do you think?
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with you one hundred percent. When
I started, when I started seeing what was happening over
on the other side of the world, it I just
said to myself, I'm like, this really, Like that was
the really is this happening still? Like you know, some
of those conflicts are thousands of years old. I'm like,
are you really is this the song we're still playing,
you know, after all these years? Like it's But I
do think that in order for the wound to heal,
it needs to be brought out into the light, and
you need to dig it out of the dirt, if
you will. And I saw that with with the last
tech ten years here in the States, where you know,
the racism has always been here in the United States,
it's always been here, but it was very quiet. It
was very subtle. It was very like muffled. You would
hear it in the corner. You would hear at a party.
You wouldn't walk into your into your place of business
wearing a T shirt stating something racist, or you know,
putting it out on your arm. And now in the
last decade, I don't know about you. In the eighties,
you would have never heard the stuff that is being
said now publicly on air. Things that are being said.
But in order for it to heal, it needs to
come out and be shown to the light, to be
everyone's like, this is not who we want to be anymore.
Speaker 3: It's true. It's the first step of healing is awareness.
So you've got to bring up that luck and to
the surface, to look at it, to be aware of
it and to be healed. And I think it goes
hand in hand with it. And I often say this
every day to friends of mine. You know, this new world,
I don't get it. I'm actually writing a book right
now about the old world and the new world. And
I think a lot of the play is the factor
that the social media a big deal of it. I
think that people feel they have to have their fifteen
minutes of fame. So with their social media, whether they're
woke whatever, that all means. The political stuff, it's just
everybody wants to be validated, I think in some way,
and I think social media started doing that and influencers,
which I still don't get, but influencers, they want to
be influence, They want to be validated, they want to
be seen. And you and I grew up. We didn't
have that sort of a thing to have social media,
and it just seems like you can just got on
your bandwagon just about things out with no sense of
integrity and responsibility. And that's really we got a responsible
for our words and what we put out there.
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Speaker 3: And I think, again, extremism is not good. I think
everybody should have I just get kind of tired of
the woke thing and like we got to do this
and as and politically correct, like let's just treat each
other as human beings, because it's like that's what it's about,
you know, don't section people off. We're all together, don't
section people.
Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent of James. I
think too that this whole social media phenomenon. You know,
I was there when Facebook was still just barely I
was there with my Space for God's sakes, right well,
I mean, I mean the Aol, compu Serve and Earthlink,
all that kind of stuff. Prodigy, but wow, yeah, I know, right,
I'm going really back. But specifically when social media started
coming in with MySpace and Twitter and Facebook and all
these kind of things. The need for this attention, I
do think is coming, and it's continuously it's been growing,
but I think people are starting to burn out. I
think this generation that's going through this will I think
by the time they're my age and your age. I
don't think the influencers of today, the twenty year old
today in forty years is going to be still like
chasing the influencer bandwagon when they're sixty. And I think
that generation is I think humanity needs to go through
this because it's all ego. It's ego, it's ego, it's fear.
It's like I want to be validated. It's all fear based.
It's all We need to kind of go through all
of this in order to go away from it. And
I'll point out something that's I think when people don't
really realize, is that we are probably in the biggest
peace time of humanity truly, that we've been in the
last five thousand to seven thousand years. I know it's
hard for a lot of people see it because if
you just watch the news, the world's coming to an end.
But that's not the truth. The truth is there's a
lot more good a lot more good things happening. You know,
people are fed more, people are drinking more. There is
there is less violence per capita in the world than
there was a hundred years ago. You know. I remember
the if you just stick here in the US while
while West people just walk around you to people for
no reason, like you know in the Roman times, people
will just slice you up, you know, like in England
in English you know the not the joust, but that's
another one. But pay the guns at a dawn, you know,
and the and the duel and all that kind of stuff.
These things were common practice, where now we look at
them like that's barbar bear it burning, which is at
the stake what Yeah, so we are.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I'm thinking of a spiritual point of
view from a soul's point of view, if you will,
and going through these things in the past, what twenty
five years I guess would be your twenty years, and
this whole social media and this outcrying and this influencial
I often wonder if it's them wanting to be obscene,
wanting to be acknowledged, and I think it's there's greatness
with their awareness. When there's an awareness out there, it's great,
But again there's a responsibility. And if it could be
used in a way where that awareness is that again
we're connected, that our words mean something. You know, thoughts
are things, and from an energetic point of view and claivoyantly,
I will see people's thoughts when they throw a thought. Remember,
thoughts are like bullets. It goes to target. When you're
thinking of someone, you're thinking with that thought, it goes
right to them, whether that's worry energy, love energy, fear energy.
And I think a lot of people what I would
like to do, and I'm gonna sure you're with me here,
is open them up to the awareness that you're responsible
for your thoughts, your words. Indeed, you're responsible for each
other in this little environment of yours, your friends and
the world, and what you put out there into the
world stays out there. My favorite friend, my favorite person
I've known for a long time, who watched her show,
Judge Judy, I want to say she's to say in
the beginning of shows, you know that Internet thing, you
put stuff out there and it's gone forever, It's there forever,
and it's really true. And I wish people would have
a sense of more responsibility when they say things or
do things, because it's really irresponsible for that energy going
out to the universe, not only to the person, but
the universe. And I remember when I did the show
The Ghost Whisper, and it was I had to educate
people's CBS and people the production company because I said,
you know, they wanted to have this show opening very
scary and fearful, which I get that get everybody into
the show, and that was fun. Lo and Jennifer love
You is cleavage. I'll get that. Want the truck drivers, Okay, fine,
but put the truck drivers and we got them. We
got the demo. I was like, wow, that really was
That was really a thing and it ended up being
the number one show on Friday nights for five years.
But I remember going to then I had a bit
of a arguments or disagreements are and I educate them
by saying, you know, I'm okay with opening the show
with the fear because you know you're putting this thing
out there. And I have a degree in broadcasting, by
the way, so I remember reading Marshall mcluan and all
of that, and I said to them, listen what you
put out and whether it's movies, television, computer shows, whatever, podcasts,
there's a responsibility because when you're putting that fear energy
out there, that's going to stay out in the atmosphere.
It's going to go out there. And I said, I
will do the show, but the show must end and
a loving energy, a healing and loving energy, that is
what you want to leave your audience with in the universe.
You do not want to leave them with fear out there,
because it's a real thing. And I think that people
out there, those all these souls, all of us, pick
up on those sprinkles of fear or love, and I
think that some of that gets in us and we
start living in that fear energy, and that's when maybe
some conflicts start, or we're more apt to be in
those conflicts or fear world limitations. So it's something to
that there's going to be a responsibility for what's going
out into the universe.
Speaker 1: Well, I do believe that people who are putting stuff
out like that today in ten or fifteen or twenty years,
they're going to look back and go, oh, my God,
because I don't know about you, Jens. When I was twenty,
I was not perfect. When I was a teenager, I
was not perfect. And I get on my knees and
pray to God every day and say thank you for
their not being any social media out at the time
that I was in high school or I was in college.
Because you know, your twenties and your late teens, in
your early twenties, and your forumtimes into even into your thirties,
your knucklehead and you do knucklehead stuff. And now that
knucklehead isms are being broadcast and they live out that
you can't really pull them off anymore for this new generation.
So I think that is the lesson that it will
take time to learn for people moving forward. But it
is going to be something that is going to bite.
It's already bitten people into back and things. That's a
tweet from ten years ago. Gets them canceled or get
them thrown off of a job or something like that
when they were maybe younger. It's already starting to happen
and people are starting to become more aware of it.
Speaker 3: I think, I hope so. I would lately noticing someone
on the internet on Netflix and some organizations of people
that are using some of the spirituality sensing of you know,
knowledge or wisdom, take a little bit of power and
they get the ego involved and they start doing things
the responsible and starting no.
Speaker 1: That's not possible. Really, people using in the spiritual space
have ego. Come on, James, stop it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very interesting to watch it because I think
many of them on a spiritual bypass. They want to
be spiritual, but they don't want to do a lot
of people don't want to do the work they got
to just get the spiritual bypassed and get there, and
they don't want to do the process. They don't want
to live with it. They don't know who they are.
They don't know who they are.
Speaker 1: First.
Speaker 3: I always feel like that what good are you if
you don't know who you are? How can you be
I don't know, authentic if you don't have the sense
of who you are as a human, as a soul,
and how you interact with humans other humans instead of
just doing this oh no spiritual bypassing, Oh I'm a
guru or whatever. It's just so weird to me because
people don't want to do the work.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's not weird to me at all,
because both of you and I come from Hollywood, have
experienced there, so I understand that, Like I want to live,
Hollywood is a place where you live with the mask on,
and you can't live without that mask. And people want
to throw that mask on because they see power, they
see prestige, so they want to be a yogi, but
they really don't want to do the work. Or they
want to be a spiritual master, but they really don't
want to do the work. It's kind of like we all.
You know, I would like to have Brad Pitt's six
pack and eat in and out every day, but that's
just not the way the world works. You know, you
have to work at your physical body, your mental state,
your spiritual state. It takes works, it takes years. There's
a reason why these masters in India, these gurus and
these ascended masters and masters who are walking the earth today.
They decades working on decades and decades working on this
to the point where they can elevate their energy, their vibrations,
their frequency to such a level that people are like,
but I want that. I'm like, yeah, we'll get in line.
It's not gonna happen overnight. You're not gonna just be
born a prodigy. That's not a thing. Even people like
Yogananda who were quote unquote born into they were kind
of a spiritual prodigy, no question. He had decades of
work on him to the point where he went when
he went to his guru, Jukta Schweal, it took him
nine years at the ashram, just just just brushing the floor,
sweeping the floor, and he's like, man, he just destroyed.
He needed to break the ego down. Break the ego down,
break the ego down. It took him that long to
finally break the eCos. When you come in and you're
Michael Jordan of spirituality, someone who's a little bit bigger
than you to come down and go calm down there, cuh, Yeah,
you can make a three pointer, but do it this
way so it's fast.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting watching. It's just so interesting.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 3: It's always been the I've always lived by the golden rule.
Treat others who want to be treated. And again when
I'm putting out to someone else, because that's real stuff,
and I always go based upon my work that I've
done that. You know, when we pass over, there's a
life review, and we all have this life review where
we see our whole experience of our lifetime in a
flashes and we see those most incredible experiences where we
did something or said something to the other person and
we experienced it from their point of view ten times,
twenty times, thirty times stronger. So I always say, wow,
people knew that they'd be much more responsible for the
way they act with people and say things to people,
because gosh, when you pass over in the spirit world,
there's no time and all you have of those memories
of those experiences, and you have to live them over
and over again. And you know, on this earth world,
it's really hard we say of someone, we just said that,
but you can go back and say I'm sorry, But
imagine when there's no time and you don't have that
connect with the physical and you live those mental things
over and over again in your head. And I wish
people in the world would get that that sense of responsibility.
So if they knew that, maybe they would act differently,
maybe that.
Speaker 1: Act more's there's no question, there's no question. I think
if if if the conflicts around the world, if the
people in those conflicts understood some of these spiritual ideas
and concepts that we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Even the beliefs of gods, the religions, there's a higher
force whatever we would name want to put on that.
I mean, that's sometimes we're funny for that. We got
to believe in that higher force. So we all are
that that energy. So it's a slap in the that force.
Speaker 2: That But it's but Jims, this, it's this thing about
my God is better than your God is the only
way you know, it's a fear based god.
Speaker 1: That's why I always joke around. I'm like, yeah, you
remember the get Crusades when the Yogis went across Europe
saying you must believe in Buddha or in in Krishna,
Like that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: That wasn't that's right?
Speaker 1: For everybody listening, there was no yoga crusades. I just
wanted you to know that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: So so Christian.
Speaker 1: Ye, there there was I think that I heard there
was one of those.
Speaker 3: I heard there was a couple of I think we're probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I think, uh, and in Jesus, I
think on the on the mound, uh, he said, please
everybody killing my name. But it just didn't It didn't
make any sense. Now. One question I get asked all about,
and I think this kind of leads into what we've
been talking about with these conflicts, is because there are
a lot of innocence in these conflicts happening right now,
and in conflicts around the world, and even the mass
violence that is happening here in the States. You know,
there's so much of that going on. There's innocence. The
question I asked is why the bad things happen to
good people?
Speaker 3: Well, good question, And I can only say what I
know is that souls are aware of what's going to
happen for the incarnation. So there are souls that know
what their lifetime is going to be involved with. And
there might be some uh, you know, I think I
won't know this will I pass over, But I do
think there are souls, groups of souls, and there are
many many souls, and sometimes they will come into a
lifetime and if we call them sacrifice themselves, or it
might be advanced souls who go through that. I was
watching the babies in the in the Gaza thing that
or the poor babies out of the you know that
couldn't get the help, and I was like, well, what
have those souls? And I just got the sense again
that they've chosen this way, that things that happened in accident,
there are no accidents. I think it's all divine and involvement,
and I think that from our point of view, if
the human's level, we can't understand all of it. But
I really do believe that there are certain groups of
souls that come into if we want to say, sacrifice
with those out there, and they are innocents per se.
But there also I think sometimes are very spiritually evolved
human beings. I think World War Two, a lot of
the World War Two people that were called victims, but
I think they were very wise advanced souls. Many advanced
souls take on the hard lessons, many many advances, the
hardest lessons we have for us are usually reserved for
the advanced souls, post graduate souls, and those take on
those conflicts, those take on they work with the human conflicts,
and they will many times. If you will sacrifice yourself,
I don't know. It's you know, when you realize that
you're you're never there's no death, and you pass over
the side, and you want to bring you have to
do something to bring attention to the human growth. If
you will. Sometimes we do that. So I don't know
what you can say. Innocence in one respect, but also
I think sometimes there are more advanced souls than we are.
Speaker 1: I use innocence from from the point of view the human,
that's right. Human. Just from the physical point of view,
you know it is, it's horrified, But on the spiritual
point of view, it's difficult. And people listening who have
had things happened to them or had people to happen
to their loved ones. Look, you and I could be
very spiritually enlightened, James, but if something happens to somebody
we love, it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna it's a human experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna feel it,
and we're gonna and we're gonna get angry, and we're
gonna and we're gonna be tested, and we're gonna be
pushed in many many ways. There's no PESSI.
Speaker 3: It's a good word tested. Yes, we're always tested, and
that's exactly right. I agree with you. It's and the
human experience we have to feel. We chose to come
back and feel these things. And integration of the emotional, mental, spiritual, physical.
Here is a this is a playground. This is the
place we're gonna feel the human aspects and that is
a real part of us and we've got to honor that.
Speaker 1: Without without question. Now, there is something that's also happening
from the conflicts that are happening overseas here in the States,
and I think also in Europe as well, is that
there seems to be an amping up of hate and
division going on. What advice do you have for individuals
or guidance to how can we overcome this amping up
of hate and division again? It's bringing this stuff out
of the muck again. We're bringing all this stuff out
again again. A song that we've heard before, hate and division.
I mean, there's not a new song here, it's an
old song, but it's being amped up again for us
to kind of just go enough. I think it's Enough's enough.
This is ridiculous, yeah, kind of.
Speaker 3: It's that sense of separativeness. You know, they were separate again.
I'm gonna repeat that. The two biggest solutions we have
in three dimensional world when is death there is no
such thing as death, and the others that were separate
from one another, but we're not. But it's so interesting,
as we've just mentioned it, we have to be separate
because we have our own well, my God is better
than your God, and all the separativeness which shouldn't be.
And I think people have to look into what do
you want to call their enemies or foes over and
see the commonality. I think that God, in this wondrous
way has enlightened every single soul on this earth, and
I think every single soul is unique and they have
that that it's that diversity, it's that difference. I think
that God shows up in the differences, and I think
we have to honor the differences in that person's makeup.
You know, maybe not you know, agree with everything, but
we honor their point of view or their way of
looking at things. And they can't be just one way.
There's got to be a multiple, multiple ways of looking
at all these different souls who have different beliefs. We've
got to honor all. That one is better than the
other one, it's just who they are. But if we
can find that that God energy, that creative energy, and
every single person, that that beautiful being in each person,
that God like each person, and maybe we can behave
a little differently and respect that. You know, it's that
saying of the ego. Going back to you said the ego,
the ego is so important. I got to own this.
I gotta control this. Nothing to do with that. We're
really oneness. We're not separate. We're one. So we've got
to find that oneness. And one is o n e
omnipresent nurturing energy. That's what love to me is, Love
is one omnipresent nurturing energy.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always said that love is one these older
relief jins who are saying that we are the only way,
which on a marketing standpoint, makes all the sense in
the world.
Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean in all seriousness, like if
you said, hey, you know, we're one of many, you
could choose this one and you could choose the other one.
In the olden times, you couldn't do anything like that.
I needed to control the large groups. I needed to, Uh,
you're the only one that the group over there they're
gonna they're gonna rape and pillage. We're the way, they're
the infideles, all that kind of stuff and all all
these major older religions. I think that that's one of
the reasons why a lot of these religions are losing
followers by the millions every year, because it's just it
doesn't ring true anymore, and there's still stuff to that,
that old that old narrative, that old song, that old story,
and we're like, that doesn't.
Speaker 3: It makes mindset right, the old mindset. And something really
interesting to point that, Alex, As I've watched this last
I'm a YouTuber, I go not a do YouTube. I
watched television YouTube because it has everything I want. Has
watching is fascinating the fifty top Christian people, you know,
the Christian ministers and all that, and it's very interesting
because as I watch this, I'm like, okay, and people
are really into that, and that's fine, But I often
want to say, it's always that sense of the God power.
We take them. We don't take responsibility. We blame it
on a religion or a god. You have to act
this way because God will get Briggus to Hell or
God will. He's like, no, no, no, no, don't put it.
You need to take responsibility for your own actions, your
own forces, and you'll make you are God. Don't put
God in something else. And you know, it's just it's
just so weird that people just get away from who
they are and and they put this religion, which is
this I don't know out of a person, don't believe
in God and clouds and all that. I don't get that.
I think we're all that wonderful force. But I see
over and over again people are trying to Jesus comes
to me and God this and God. It's like, wait
a minute, let's just take responsibility for ourselves. Don't place
it onto a religion, because I don't think we get misguided.
Speaker 1: Right. And then again, a lot of these older, these
older philosophy, these are religions, are based on fear. They're
fear based.
Speaker 3: And I also think that a lot of people wanted
to be in part of a community, and those early
days they part of that community feel. So religion does
and I still does that religions.
Speaker 1: And the thing is too And I'm not bashing all
religion now because there are good things, like you said, community,
you know, helping people. There are good elements to all
of that. Will be right back after a word from
our sponsor and now back to the show. But when
you start believing that you're better than another group, or
that if I don't do this, this will happen to
me kind of you know, the Hell thing. It was
taught Hell when I was in first grade and Catholic school.
You're kidding, it was terrified. I came home crying. I'm like, oh,
I gotta like it was insane. But those ideas, it's
so funny. My kids laugh, they're like, hell makes Nope,
that's what's.
Speaker 3: About limbo one.
Speaker 1: Oh, don't forget purgatory. Yes, of course purgatory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Can't forget. Can't forget purgatory.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting because again going back to people taking
the responsibility for themselves instead of a spiritual bypass of
a religion and blame it all on the religion and
following that way, and it's just I think it's just
taken responsibility for our own selves. And I think, you know,
when people ask my religion, I say, well, every religion
is a bit of the truth, but not anyone religion
is all the truth. So I think people said, what
is your religion, I said, my religion is love. It's
that one. It's it's recognizing God that forced that whatever
that might be. People want to call it in each person,
but no one should own God. No one owns God.
People are God. So again going to say, if people
would see the God like in each person and have
respect for who they are, where they're at. And it's
really interesting because I think many people go into judgment,
and judgment to me is fear based because I judge
another because I want to feel better then so I
put them down that I'll be in control or I'll
feel better. I think that's a lot of what that is. Judgment, judgment,
total fear based and is an emotion of the human
It's not of the spirit. It's of the human world.
Fear doesn't exist in the spiritual world. It's just this,
you know, f e a r false ego appearing real.
It has to do with us humanists, not the spirit.
Speaker 1: It's interesting I was talking to a former Baptist the
other day and we were when we were on the show,
and he's like, yeah, you know, you know when I
was Baptists, I felt bad for you Catholics because you
guys were all going to Hell. And I'm like wow,
I'm like wow. I'm like and you know what we
did too, We said, oh, those poor Baptists are you know,
or Mormons or whatever other sect of Christianity there is.
It's a thousand of them. Oh, you poor people. You
just don't understand, Like it's it's such an ego place
to be. You need to feel like you're superior to
others in order to be able to just walk the earth.
And it's it's such a and that I think is
one of the keep causes of all of this conflict
that we're seeing in the world, is I must I'm
so scared inside of not being enough, or of what
other people will think, or of the communit it's almost
it's so primal. It's such a primal thing because again,
number one thing people fear most is talking in public.
Why because you feel you're gonna be ridicular and thrown
out of the tribe. And if you're thrown out of
the tribe. The lines will eat you because you're not
part of the tribe anymore, because you're alone. And that's
but that's where that all that comes from. So a
lot of these fears are still based in these really primal,
low energy, low level ideas, where when it's the very
archaic ideas, when you start to evolve yourself and open
yourself up to these higher ideas, you know, the other
day there was a problem I had in my life
where something came in to challenge me and that and
I processed it and within thirty minutes it was gone.
And it's been getting shorter and shorter. Before it would
take you know, days, sometimes it would ruin a month.
Sometimes it would hold onto it. Sometimes I would just
simmer in it. And now it's kind of like, okay,
that's not serving me anymore. I forgive and I will adjust.
Speaker 3: So so a great way Alex with that, which was
just as just saying that reminds me and I've been
doing this and it really help two things. Number one, observation,
stepping back and observing. Don't have a knee jerk reaction
when something happens, when someone does something or something happens
like you don't pulled into that phonetic energy and have
a knee jerk reaction, but you want to step back
and be objective. And it's like watching a show, you know,
in a stage that's not playing out, and I'm not
gonna get involved in that. I can be the audience
member and then I watch what's going on. It's not
gonna affect me and the other thing. When people have
these a lot of us, for us every day have
situations with difficult situations, whether it's emotional, health wise, you know,
we going through all stuff, whatever it is. I often
say when things come into my life, these experiences like
not happy or whatever, might be opportunities instead of judging
them as good about as it's an opportunity to understand
myself more, believe in faith, whatever I need to do something,
believe myself. I think there are always opportunities. Someone says
this happened to me, said, well, step back, what opportunity?
What lessons? We're here learning lessons. Remember we're in school
and we have different lessons every day and every day
I mentioned in the first broadcast we did together every
day on our path, there are teachers and there are
students and that's the exciting part. So as we go
each day, Wow, who's going to teach me something today?
Who am I going to teach myself today? So it's
really opportunities that come to us. And if we could
be again to repeat this back from the first show,
because you can't hear enough, it's living in the moment.
You know, the past has already happened, the future is
yet to be. So really be fully involved in this
moment now. And that's a true way to live, live
the fullness of each moment. And I think that's how
we should live our lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's this this event that happened to me.
When I kind of pulled back, I said, I again,
we're not perfect, we're not all We're not We're all learning.
It takes it, it took, but I've noticed that it
was a few hours, like recently it was like maybe
a few hours. Before it was days or weeks or months.
Sometimes now it's gotten to a few hours and now
I was done in like fifteen to twenty minutes. It
was back, it was gone. But I stopped it. I
said to myself, what is the lesson here?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: What am I? What am I supposed to learn from this,
because this is happening for me, not to me. So
I'm like, okay, so what so what is? What is
what am I supposed to learn here? I and you
start rattling your head and sometimes you might come up
with an answer, but many times you just won't know
until maybe six months down the line, a year down
the line, five years down the line, go oh that's
what that was, what the thing is. But at least
you're being aware that this is a lesson what all
of it? All of it from people, someone cutting off,
cutting you off in traffic? How did you deal with that?
How did you react to that? Again, no one's perfect.
Someone cut me off the other day and I said
something to my wife like what, I'm like, sorry, you know, so.
Speaker 3: I was like, they pull you down or bring you up?
You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, well that that guy pulled me up. Then
I jump back up. I elevated again, James, but but
for a second I just went back down, not in
a different It was weird though, because before it would
be cursing and yelling, and before it were chasing him
and trying to flick them off, and all that was
with the young version of me when I was in
my twenties. You're just the how dare you? My ego? Now?
It was just like I was angry because he was
putting other people at risk? Was that that was the
difference of what was happening. He wasn't me. I didn't
care that he cut me off, But I saw how
reckless he was being. I'm like, you're gonna kill somebody,
You're gonna hurt somebody. Why are you being such an idiot?
That was that was where I came from. So I
even noticed that in my perception, I got angry, But
I got angry for the right reason.
Speaker 3: I guess you saw the bigger picture, which is really
important when these things happened to us, see the bigger picture,
see these opportunities in the bigger picture. And you know
what also helps Alex with our mindset? What is our mindset?
How do we change? Like again we just talked about,
you know, when we have these situations, their opportunities to grow.
There are lessons. So when you change that mindset and
you see get away from the judgment, because judgment fear basing, okay,
and you can see people being in fear, you can
see people in judgment but you don't have to be
in that. You can be aware of it but not
be of it, you know. And again we're putting positions
to teach others or to learn from and the same thing.
And it really might get down to, you know, some
severe lessons we're gonna learn. They're gonna push us to
our our maximum. You know, it does that. I was
once a parking lot. I had my loving dog in
the car, and it was I had an automatic air
condition It stays on the engine, but you know, you
can't hear it. And I remember us coming out of
the store and watch this lady next to my truck
and she's like looking in with her phone and she
looks at me, and I'm talking on the phone in
front of the store, and I'm telling I think something's
going on with this lady. So I walked up to him.
I said, She said, oh, did you just pick the
engine started because it starts five minutes or hould you
just put that on? Because you saw me standing in
the truck next to your dog. And I said, excuse me,
She goes, your dog is in this truck. I said, yes,
I know there's air conditioning on it. You don't hear it,
it's a hybrid. He goes, huh, I'm concerned about your dog,
And I said, okay. And I thought, I can get
really really angry and pissed off, or I can be kind.
I did get a little pissed off because it was
my dog, my child. But I said to the lady,
I said, number one, you could have come over to me.
If you're concerned and you saw me standing there, why
didn't you walk over with me and talk to me
instead of acting all in power. You shouldn't have done that.
That was the right way you handled these situations. Do
you think I'd really hurt an animal? And maybe you did,
but it's worth that extra step to come back and say,
excuse me, sir. Is that you're doing so we have
to do that. People rush into judgment right away, and
they got to stop and take a few deep breaths
and what's the story here, what's really going on.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 3: I think, and we think we've got to remind people
of that. And we're giving those situations in our life
maybe to remind people to stop, take a breath, and
let's see instead of reacting, because everything instead of reacting
reactionary these days, just stop, take a breath and see
the fullness of that picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pull out the phone, let's record the situation so
we can get clicked, so we can get validation. It's
it's you know, it's it's it's insane. Now, we've been
talking a lot of about you know, things happen for us,
uh and not to us, and this kind of thing
and that love that. Yeah, and that is wonderfully to
be said in a philosophical standpoint. Now, both you and
I have had things happen to us in our lives.
We all have. If you're living in walking the earth,
you're gonna have issues. You're gonna have conflict, You're gonna
have trauma, You're gonna have It's just part of this experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So what advice would you have for somebody who is
in the midst of a loss, in the midst of
witnessing violence and with them not understanding why I lost
this loved one in the way I did, or why
this is happening to my community, or why this is
happening to my town or things like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, So a couple of things. So a loved one,
losing a loved one number number one. Again, it's your perspective,
perspective that you have. So again going back to the
origin that we are souls having a human experience and
that love. You know, love will never die. That you
don't lose your loved ones. They are there with you.
It's a human experience, and when you lose someone, it's
one of the hardest things of courus, the human experience.
It's losing a loved one, losing a child, a partner,
an animal. It's really hard for us to go through that.
That's how we grow here and again I think I
don't know all the answer to that. I just know
that's our soul's growth going through those things. I think
when we recognize things that are happening to our community
and our town, our countries, it's it's really an opportunity
for us to try to find the compassion, trying to
find the compassion within the situation and how can we
help to heal, whether it's through prayer, whether it's through kindness,
acts of kindness, and a little bit of you know,
in our little micro micro world. Like I said earlier,
because the macro world is gonna it'll be affected by
the micro world. So we've got what good are we
worrying about those places if we don't take care of
our own house, we don't take care of our own
stuff going on within us and around us. I mean,
what good are we if we don't take care of
that first? So we have to have compassion in all
of our lives and see that again going back to
that God person, that God lighten everyone and understanding again,
getting away from judgment and fear. But that's the way
it is, having compassion, remind people who they are, that
they are God, that the source that God is not
outside them, God is within. And I think in this
whole path here, if one can learn to know who
they are. And I know with all my students in
my school, I say, you know the number one thing
is in life too, is know who you are. To
their own self be true. My grandmother told me that
was a little kid Shakespeare quote of to my own
self be true, And it's really amazing. I was watching
also an interview, this time with Dolly Parton, and she
was talking to who are done about that God? Because
I've always had that sense of myself and who are done?
You know, so successful in many ways shows I'm just
myself and she goes. One of the gifts I had
very early on, and I relate to this too, is
I knew who I was. I knew who I was,
and I think that's really the secret here is everyone
should know who they are and honor who they are.
And you don't be anybody else. What other people think
of you as none of your business. That's their energy,
not yours. But no one knows themselves and believes in
themselves and realizes they are this beautiful light here and
that's who they are. I don't want to be someone else.
I want to be me, you know. I want to
bring this particle of God to the world, my own
particles of who I am, and I think people look
out them. When people start looking outside themselves, they get
into trouble because it won't fit into who they are,
and they're asking stuff that's impossible. You've got to know
who you are and live that greatness of who you
are and never be judged by others. Don't let others,
don't let others take your power away. You know that's
not right. We have to empower ourselves and we've got
to take the opportunity to do that. And many times
there are diverse and horror hard situations in our family lives,
everyday lives that push us to the brain and they
will these are these these obstacles will push us to
understanding ourselves better, having different relationship with ourselves, a relationship
with either people around us in our workspace. So it
forces us some of those really adverse experiences in our
lives really help us the most.
Speaker 1: James, let me ask you, though, and I know you've
been angry in your life, and I've been angry in
my life, and there's I mean of all of us
have gone through that. When you're in the midst of
that anger, when you are in the the pervial crap
of anger, it is so difficult to not just see
white or not just see the anger or the resentment
that you or whatever the other emotions are, you are
just in it. What advice can you say for somebody
who to just stop for a second and not do
that near jerk reaction, or to just be in this
constant state of anger against a group of people, or
against a specific person, or against a government, or against
x X, A, Y or Z whatever that thing is,
you know, a dog, a tree, whatever that thing is
that you're so angry about. It's not just the initial area,
but these people who are constantly angry about these things.
How can what advice do you have for anybody who
wants to get out of that?
Speaker 3: It's a big question. So yeah, that's ample answer. I
can like do it based upon my life experience and
really for me, what has worked. And I don't get angry.
Look I used to because I think that hopefully we
come back here to evolve. I think our souls come
back to go through these lessons to learn something from them,
so we evolve and expand. And now I feel like
I'm in my sixties now I've gotten to a point
of I don't get angry really much. I really don't.
I get to a point of I don't understand and
I don't I don't underst and conflict. I don't understand hate.
I don't understand it. I see it's happening, and it's
it's there, but I don't get it because for me,
I see the bigger picture. I see the possibilities, the potential,
and I think when people could just again going back
to that relationship with themselves. And I've told a lot
of this about sitting in the stillness of your being,
sitting in that quiet space, taking a break, taking a breath,
twenty minutes a day, a few minutes, say stop and
connect with yourself. Stop and connect with your soul self,
Connect with your heart, not with your head. So many
people are in their heads and their heads and their
heads judging and conflicting and all these different things going on.
There's so much phonetic energy out there, and it's going
to feed the head, right, we got to go to
the heart. So it's go to the heart of the matter.
So I just go. You know, when something a conflict
comes up our situation, I say, okay, what's going on here?
Like I just what's what to see the whole scene,
being very objective and I'm saying what that soul's learning
from that, and how can I behave how can I
make this better? Sometimes in life, you know you got
to and it's really hard. There are people that you
love in your life and they got to go through
some stuff. They got to go through some shit, and
you can't do anything because you can it's part of
their journey. You know, you can help it to a point,
but then they have to go forward, right, and that's
really hard for us. We love people, so I think
we have to live by example, and I think we
have to again honor them where they're at. I think
also Alex, when one begins to have an awareness of
the objectivity of a situation and who they're dealing with.
I think people once they know themselves and they honor
who they are, then there's a sense of boundary work.
They have to have boundaries. They got to instilled boundaries,
whether it's in their families or their married partners' lives,
their friends and work life. There's got to be boundaries.
And there's when people walk over people's boundaries, and just
the basic level, that's bad because they're they're putting their
stuff onto somebody else. And when we allow that to happen,
that's not good because we take our power, they take
our power away. So it's the same thing, if you will,
and the conflicts in the world, you know, taking power
where you're having no boundaries. So we've got in system
boundaries and that's really what's going on here. Realistic boundaries too,
when talking about countries and so forth, there's got to
be realistic boundaries, and it's got to be an honor.
You know, we're in a community here, this whole world community.
It's one world, and we've got to again honor and
respect people's boundaries or countries boundaries, and you know, not
try to get over on each other.
Speaker 1: Well, with all the stuff that is going on in
the world, James, how can we foster compassion and understanding
in the times of war, in the times of violence,
of needless violence, either on an individual level or on
a group level. How can we foster that compassion and
understanding at these times?
Speaker 3: I think that you know, there are opportunities every day
with that, with wars or people in conflict, there are
opportunities to act, whether it's in compassionate ways and kind
ways and humanitarian ways. Just find the humanitarian each person again,
find that, you know, I live by the golden rule,
and it's like, how would you treat somebody? And that's
really what I think people have to get back to
that origin of this is my family. Everyone, even though
we speak a different language, it doesn't matter. We're all
the same. So how can I honor that person? How
can I honor them? And again it goes with everything
that we talk about as far as fear and love. Life
is a series of choices based on love or fear.
And again, if you can find that love within that person,
and maybe you can help them and teach them, enlighten them,
two ways of behaving, two ways of looking at something
in a different way, to come back to a sense
of who they are. I think that would help, having
that sense of who they are. And yeah, and again
go back, not the head, but the heart, you know,
the heart of the matter.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. No, James, I another
question I get asked a lot, unfortunately, a lot of questions.
As my friend, we get we're affecting millions of people.
We get a lot of email helping people grow. Alex,
I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm doing I'm doing my part.
But one but one question I do get asked a
bunch is about when people are at the end of
the rope, when they believe that there is no out,
when they feel like I have only one choice, and
and they they're they're asking for help because they just
don't see the other side of the fence. They don't
see it's it's really dark right now, but the sun
is just about to pop out. They hang on just
a little longer. But that what advice do you have?
What guidance do you have for these these souls who
are just at that deep place that they think.
Speaker 3: I've been there? We have both, I think a lot of.
Speaker 1: I think we have. I think we've all been there
at one point.
Speaker 3: We've been there. I mean there was a time where
I just had, even with the awareness I have, and
it was like on the you again, it's a human thing, right,
It's a human thing, and and it was a dark
place to go to, and I was like why am
I here? I should be here? And it was like,
you know, I'd be talked down with the tree because
it's like no, but what you know, what, what good
is it? But I know that was that human reaction.
That was that knee jerk reaction that I had. And
I just had to stop and really quiet my line
because my mind was going crazy, right, so to stop
get back to my truth of who I really am.
And I realized that, come on, this is a human
experience we're going through here. Uh, you know, you can't die,
And it's it's how are you going to deal with it?
And it's it's an opportunity, it's a lesson and Okay,
look at this, how am I going to deal with
this sense of who I am? This situation going on
with me? How am I going to handle it? And
sometimes in the darkest moments you get the most illumination,
you really do. It's somebody to go to the dark
knight of the soul to really open up and see
things a very, very different perspective. And it takes those
dark knights of the soul to look at things in
a very a very deep way, a very different way.
And I've had some trouble with It's very funny some
people in our lives. You know, we have different people
in our lives. And I've been around a group of
people and I didn't get what's going on there. I
don't know they're believes, so the way they did things
or opinions, and I would be my kitchen wa you know,
my dishes, and I would often ask that, and I
heard Spirit once say, James, that's all they know. They
don't know any better. That's all they know. They don't
know any better. So you've got to accept them for
the level that they're at because they don't know any better.
And that's really true when we, you know, put our
own stuff onto other people, it's really not fair because
they don't know as much. You know, they don't know
maybe they're the second grade, not the postgraduate or whatever
it might be. That's all they know about and so
it's hard for us. Why can we judge those people
that they don't know any better? So why judge them?
You know, it's and then we have unrealistic expectations of others,
and that's really an illusion because they don't know any
better to do differently.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like, you know, looking at
a five year old who you know, poops on the
floor and you're like, what are you doing? Like, you
can't get angry if he's five. They don't know any better.
They're learning, they're learning, they're growing. So if you look
at people sometimes with a child's childlike I meaning that
you don't judge a three year old for throwing spaghetti
across the room. You would judge a thirty year old
for doing that. And if they're doing that, they're there
to be a real decent reason. But there's an acceptance
level for certain ages that there aren't for others. As
we grow and continue to grow, forget that. The term
is in sociology for that. But there are acceptable societal things.
That's a five year old, he's screaming in the middle
of an airplane. It's going to happen. So it's a
forty year old, Yeah, forty year old that you can't
have that.
Speaker 3: So if you if you address that a child to
say a five year old, that it's only known about,
then let's go to communities or certain countries or a
certain belief systems. That's all they know. They might not
know about unconditional love, they might not know about compassion,
they might not know that. And sometimes it takes those
dark knights of soul, those conflicts to open them up.
Say and maybe it's some horrific things to happen before
they wake up and say this isn't right, this isn't
right for us, we got to So I think many
times it's an evolution of a certain group. I really do.
I think that we're these different countries and so forth.
We'll all have our karma, we all have the levels
that we're at, and I think we sometimes have to
shake things up and look at it from a different
point of view, and sometimes it takes some horrific things
to happen before humans say, wait, this isn't working, This
isn't that. We want to change this up, and you know,
and in the Middle East, for god, it was like,
it's amazing. But hopefully it'll it'll rise up and it'll
be a whole different and which I think it will.
I just think the humans and humans are difficult. The
humans are so difficult. It's just like, well, that's just
that ego.
Speaker 1: This is not an easy school, James.
Speaker 3: It's a very hard school. It's a very difficult school.
And I've had some people come back, good friends want
who passed over. One lady was Lady Violet, and she's
in my end of my book Unfinished Business, because we
sit and have tea every afternoon and we talk about
spiritual things. And she passed over and she's come back
several times. And the first time she came back, she
said to me, and she's just lovely. Voice says, oh, James,
why can't people just pat themselves in the back for
having that human experience. It's a hard school, but they
don't give themselves the credit for going through it. It's true.
We don't we you know, we always limit ourselves. We
judge ourselves instead of saying good job, you know you're here,
you're doing it. Not an easy pick in this school.
It's a hard school. There are millions of schools, millions
of galaxies. This is a hard one. There's a lot
of the human stuff coming from different levels, different conflicts,
different belief systems, you know, mind control, all that sort
of thing. It has to force us to go within
ourselves and have that relationship with our soul self. I
think there's a great opportunity to do.
Speaker 1: That now, Jims, you and I touched upon this a
little earlier today, that that in the spiritual space that
you and I live in, where there are spiritual masters,
there are.
Speaker 3: Guru spaces, spaces, spaces, yes, yes, spa let's limited spaces, yes, spaces.
Speaker 1: Many spaces, realms if you will, Yes, the spiritual realms
that we live in. There are a lot of people
come out in the spiritual realm and speak about being
a spiritual masters, being a guru, being these kind of people,
and there is We were talking before the show started
about a new documentary series that's on Netflix called Escaping
the twin Flames, if I'm not mistaken. Can we touch
a little bit upon this concept of the ethics of
people in this spiritual space and what people are doing
and selling and controlling people and so on, because I
get stuff sent to me hundreds of emails a day,
people wanted to come on the show, and I'm being
my team and I are extremely selective now because we
understand the power of the show and the response ability
of the show, the.
Speaker 5: Responsibility because yeah, it's very We're very cautious of that
because if we put you on the show, you're gonna
probably get a big wave of people coming towards you
purely because you've been on the show.
Speaker 1: So I'm very cautious about that. Can you talk a
little bit about that documentary.
Speaker 3: Which I haven't seen, And you know, Alex also's going
to be in alignment with what you're putting out to
the world. You know, those people come on your show,
there's got to be an alignment of there that you know,
what your believes in, their believes are similar. So this
is a show that I guess someone might have pointed
out to me, but I watch it's on Netflix. Like
I said, Escape from Twin flames and it's a guy
in Michigan and his girlfriend and he's taken some spiritual
insights from many teachers, including myself, because there are things
he said that I have in my school and different insights.
But it's all that window dressing. It's all the buzzwords.
And he's put himself in a space where and he's
a sosopath, no doubt about it. He's a sosopath, could
be part of psychopath. And he's it's really about it's
that ego, mind control, cultish type of thing. And he
talks about having he knows enough buzzwords and people that
aren't unaware of it. And again people that don't want
to do it spiritual progression, but spiritual bypass, they will
get it right to the top. They look to other
people for the guru thing. And he has fit right
in there. And he's talk to himself being the second
coming of Jesus, that he's very aware that he's evolved,
and he said he could put you know, twin flames.
I don't know what twin flame is, by the way,
they can match up the twin flames. And then he's
talking about divine mastery, divine feminine divine masculine, and he's
literally have people saying, no, this is your twin flame
and you've got to change your sex. So people are
having operations to change their sex because of what he says.
And he's the only one that can say it. So
it goes to that cult type of thing, and it's
you know, a little bit of wisdom, a little bit
of knowledge is a dangerous thing, like because he's read
some books, he has you know, my cards in the
backward bookshelf and other metaphysicians. Physical people hit their cards,
the oracle cards, decks, but they destroy, they distort the
information for their own power. It's again the ego power
in this way is the sociopath look for vulnerable people
to control, and that's really a horrible thing. And you know,
when you do this work, when you're in this spiritual work,
is you and I. You're in the spiritual spaces, there
is a sense of integrity and responsibility. And when I
first started development as a medium, the very verse thing
I learned was integrat and responsibility because you have people's
lives in your hands. And it's very very true. Any
spiritual leader, if you will, has to have that sense
of you have a responsibility for people's lives and what
you say influences them. And if there's someone who has
an ego or a psychological issue like sociopathic issues, that's
pretty dangerous. And again going back to people looking for leaders,
they don't want to take the responsiblity themselves, look to other
people for it, and if they speak those buzzwords, then
they'll listen. And it's a shame because those people that
gets have no sense of who they are, they don't
have that awareness of self looking for someone else to
fulfill that. You know, listen, people want to put me
on the guru chair and I was like, no, no, no, no,
I'm not a guru. I'm you. I mean, you know
more than I do. We're all the same, and it
becomes more it's weird. So it's a sense of integrative responsibility.
And it really hurts me when I see that hurting
another you know, human that way, because it's it's it's
hurting them, it's it's it's destroying lives.
Speaker 1: Will be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. You know, I think
I think that people who watch this show and if
they see guests on the show. Always listen to yourself,
Listen to that inner voice. Does this person align with you?
Because not everyone's gonna like you, James, Not everyone's gonna
like you? And and and if what is resonating with you?
Speaker 3: Because it's so funny, Alex, I said that all the
same term all the time, I said, I said, you know,
you can read as many books you want or see
as many people as want. What resonates is truth with you.
Take it, but it doesn't throw it out. Even myself said,
if what I say resonate's great, If not, don't use it.
I mean, we have to make that choice for ourselves.
We have to, you know, we can't look to others
for answers. We got to find the answers within ourselves.
And all the answers are within ourselves. We just take
the time to listen and to hear the little voice within,
you know, will be so much better off than listening
to others.
Speaker 1: But Jims, I just want to take a pill and
cutting enlightened. Is that not exactly? I just want one pill.
I'll take two if it takes too. Oh, I just
want to be enlightened, you know.
Speaker 3: But part of my work in my school with the mediums,
you know, aspiring mediums. It's a six month course and
I say, you have sit in development circle. And part
of my developing is a medium with seven years of
sitting in the quiet for seven years every Tuesday night
before we'd even give one message out. And I find
that it was the development part of my mediumship that
was the most incredible. It's not getting the point of
giving messages, that's that's part of it, right, But it's
really is the spiritual growth and that relationship with your
own soul that you start having and the way you
look at yourself in a different way in the world.
It's that development parts, that progression that's really the fun
part of it and the most enlightened and evolved part
of it. Then mediumship is later on that's the end result.
But it's really the development that is really important. I
think every all of us, every human, take the time
develop your sense of self really because that sense of
self had that my soul and I look at your
life and go through life from that perspective of my
soul and I.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny because people I talk to
a lot of other podcasters who want me to come
on their shows, and I'll talk to them and they're like,
they're like, man, how are you You know? I just
started my podcast. You have any advice? I'm like, do
about fifteen hundred episodes over the last eight years on
multiple different copics and things, and you're going to get better.
But people just want to just like I just to
jump on YouTube and you know, being mister Beast and
have one hundred million like that doesn't it doesn't work
that way. Even someone like mister Beasts, who's the biggest
YouTuber in the world by the way, who's affecting a
lot of people and helping a lot of people with
his philanthropy and things like that. He's been at it
for fifteen years. He started when he was like twelve.
He's still in his mid twenties, for God's sakes, but
he started so early on, but he worked. He just
kept pounding and pounding it. So in that space, you know,
I'm using podcasting an example. Or someone looks like Michael
Phelps is like, oh, such a good swimmer. Do you
know how many thousands of hours he was in the
pool in the same thing for spirituality, you.
Speaker 3: Know how many strong foundations there's got to be such
a strong foundation.
Speaker 1: You got to just enjoy the journey.
Speaker 3: Enjoy the journey like your work, like you've worked really
hard to get what you're at. And you're not someone
that just and I'm not either, just throws stuff out there.
We have there's a meaning behind it, there's an energy
behind it, there's a there's a consciousness behind what we do.
It's not just getting many followers as we possibly can.
There's a consciousness. There's a giving to people. And that's
a big difference because I know there's a lot of
influencers or YouTubers or whatever out there. I just want
to be famous. I just want to get all these
followers and influences. Really, what good is that if you
don't have the material, you know, the content, and you
have to have that strong sense of foundation and content.
Otherwise it means it's meaningless.
Speaker 1: No, it's all it's all ego based. And even even
even even people who talk to me, I'm like, I
don't know, I'm just I'm just the conduit, right, That's
all I look at myself as is a conduit. I
am no leader, I am nothing like that. I am
the conduit. I've been pity you because what's happening to
this show. There's no way that I'm controlling it. Just
like a lot of the things that happened in your career,
there's absolutely no way you could have pulled the levers
to make things happen. They just doors open. People showed
up in your life. Things. So when you when you
kind of surrender to that energy, yep, and you just go, Okay,
I'm I'm not in control here. I gotta work, i
gotta up, I got to do the work, but I'm
not in the control of it. That liberates you a lot,
you know, but it doesn't stop you.
Speaker 3: Alex. Also what you're saying, because like you know, we
go and I agree with so much, just like the
same rain here. And I think also not only a vessel,
but I think we're a mirrors to other people. We
are the mirror reflecting, So we are mirrors to them.
When people say, oh, you've done this, it's so good. No, no,
you have. I'm just a mirror to what you have.
I just reflect your gifts, yourself. You know, I'm just
here to reflect, but you are just a mirror. And
I think that's what we do too, and only your vessels,
but we reflect the best and the possibility is the
potential of souls.
Speaker 1: Would I would agree with the hundred percent of my friend.
So so before we go.
Speaker 3: James that we've been talking so much, so quickly, Alex.
Speaker 1: I know, right, we could talk for hours and hours.
You'll be back. Don't worry, You'll be back great. So
the there is we've been talking so much about these
conflicts and about the things happening in the world and
all this kind of stuff. And you tell us a
little bit about from the other side, from what the
other side is telling you, what's going to happen over
the next few months, over the next six months, over
the next year, good batter and different choice.
Speaker 3: So certain things that we call hidden that they can
only they can't reveal everything that goes on. So I
got to say, from that point of view, I do
think that there's gonna be major conflicts coming in now
in November December, I do think. So I think there's
gonna be World War three, I really do. I don't
think it'll be a major, but I do think there'll
be a term world War three. I think that's going
to happen.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to not sure to be an extremist,
but it feels like there's a cleansing coming.
Speaker 1: Something, something's gonna happening, is going to happen.
Speaker 3: I do sense also that the United States will be
involved as far as in the country. So whether it's
in La Chicago, New York, something's gonna happen in one
of these cities. It feels inevitable. You know, I just
had a sense something's gonna happen with that. I just
think it's gonna be a very different world. I think,
like February twenty fourth, they will be very different world.
Then we know it. You know, when COVID came, that
was a different world. World trads and that was a
different world. Something along those lines as far as that
level is going to have to happen because it's gonna
it's gonna open everybody up. Yeah, I think it's gonna Yeah.
But I also think and when they're great things happen
for those sorts of conflicts, it's also great things for
humans to show again love and compassion and healing and
changing the way they think. Changing the way we think
is a global presence. It'll it'll force us to and
it'll force our way of thinking. It forces the paradigm
that we're on. You know, it will force us to
change our ways of thinking, and I think that sometimes
things have to happen for that to evolve. We have
to evolve like that those things have happened.
Speaker 1: So Jim's just like in the Ghost Whispers, we could
start off with fear. I need to I need to
end with love, sir. So what what? What? What? Optimistic?
What is going to happen towards the end of this,
this next stage that we're going to go through, Because
hopefully this is all for the better. It's gonna be rough.
Speaker 3: It's always the better, but we can't see it when
we're in it, right, so it's gonna be better. I
think there'll be a stronger sense of humanitarian connection. I
think even social media is you know, we can be
connected to a country ound world in minutes. We weren't before.
So I think there'll be more of this connection with
a global community than we've had before. And I think
there'll be a lot more of I don't know understanding
of different ways. I think there's also not what this means,
but I think there'll be a different way of government.
I don't know what that means coming up with a
new way of governing. Don't know what that means, but
I think that'll be happening, and I think there'll be
more of the humanitarian awareness. I do believe that's going
to happen. I really do. I just think there'll be
change in borders, country, borders in some way. I'm not
saying where. I don't know, but there's gonna be that change.
But I think there's going to be more of a
connection understanding one another. And I also think there's gonna
be changed in religions which talk about religion. I think
that's going to come into big changes. I really do,
because you know, it's all about if the soul's evolving,
the soul, the soul group here this earth has to
evolve again. We don't go backwards. We evolved, so look
at that point we will evolve, and I think there'll
be more of an understanding. You know, years ago we
had a white and a black person. Oh that was weird.
Remember Secondoh you couldn't have God for goods?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, and now it's.
Speaker 3: So different, and I think it's going be more of
that diversification and more understanding. I think we're headed towards
that it takes some time. We're headed towards the oneness
of everyone.
Speaker 1: You want to hear a funny story is talking about
the old ways. I was when I was in Italy
going to different churches because I loved I mean, you
just walk around Italy and every little town has the
most beautiful, ornate church you've ever seen everywhere, and there
were some churches that you could not. My wife would
be like having like you know, like an armless shirt
or shorts, and she would have to be wrapped in
something to be able to walk in. And I'm sitting
there going, what is are we not in twenty twenty three?
Like what is happening here? Will be right back after
a word from our sponsor and now back to the show.
And it was just such an old, kind of archaic
but not even cultural, but just on the religious standpoint.
You're like, you can't show a woman's shoulder, you can't
show a woman's legs? Why because that could entice a man?
Like like really because there was other women in the room.
It's not like it was a group of I mean,
it was just so bizarre to me. And they would
like hand out shawls or the people selling shawls there
obviously it was just a fact.
Speaker 3: So this old covering people's face.
Speaker 1: I'm just in the Christian space and unless I even
get into that's a whole. But like you said, they
that's all they know. That's that's all they know. So
I think, and I think why. This is why these
conversations so valuable. It's so important, and it is my
goal and my mission to get them out to as
many people in the world as possible and as many languages,
as many cultures. Because once you start getting this kind
of information into those areas that don't know any better,
don't know any better, that they don't know anything else,
it starts to at least plant seeds to like make
them think.
Speaker 3: It causes them to think exactly, it causes them to
stop and think, like all this information might be brand
new to them, like, well, what are these guys talking about.
There's gonna be something. Let me investigate this, let's let's
understand this. And I think it does. I think it
plants those seeds. And that's what you can do. I
can do with planning those seeds around the world, and
some people will get them and germanate and it'll be
opening their whole lives up and you know it's a
you know, Alex, I got to tell you this. I'm
just writing about this. When I was first starting out
and I was told I was gonna I went to
a medium who when I was twenty something years old
and he said, oh, you're here, You're gonna conscious of
the planet. I'm like, ah, what he said, Oh, yeah,
you're going to change the conscious of the planet. I said,
I just want to be a sitcom writer. That's o la.
But I gotta tell you something. It's happened, and I
didn't know how, but there's a bigger plan and if
I could have done that with because I brought into
the awareness of mediumship and spirituality in that in that
realm of mediumship, it's opened up the world to that.
Whether it was Larry King or other shows have done
and other mediums have done, it's it's changed the conscious,
it's changed, it's it's opened up to space. And that
tells me that you, of course, you're doing the exact
same thing. And I just want to say I honor
your work because you do it with again the content,
with the right ideas behind it, the love, the compassion,
the teaching and the wisdom and that's good. There's a
good thing. So I think you'll you'll do really really well.
I think I think you'll do very well. I think
I'll do a couple more shows too. Appreciate it too.
Speaker 1: Now, where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work that you're doing, sir?
Speaker 3: They can go on my website vanprog dot com via
pr aajh dot com. And also have a school which
is a very involved active school which I have all
of forty five or and courses of all diferent subjects
and that's the JVP School of Mystical Arts and that's
I work with that daily, so they can find me
in there as well. And I still do evenings of
spirit messages and that's the kind Vanprogg dot com. They
can find that all that.
Speaker 1: And do you have any party messages for the audience?
Speaker 3: Yeah, try to find God and everybody. When something comes
up in a conflict, you know, and the curtain goes up,
try to open up the curtain and try to find
the good and the bad that you perceive is bad.
Try to find the good and that's the first step.
First step, and think with your heart not your head.
Speaker 1: James I appreciate you so much for coming back on
the show. I look forward to our next conversation.
Speaker 3: Same here and thank you Alex appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I want to thank James so much for coming on
the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all
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