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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Next Level Soul podcast, where we ask

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today's episode. Disclaimer. The views and opinions expressed in this

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podcast are those of the guests and do not necessarily

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reflect the views or positions of this show, its host,

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or any of the companies they represent. Now today on

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the show, we welcome back James van Prague, one of

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the more popular guests we've had on the show.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have James back to have a conversation

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about what is going on in the world, the pain

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and the suffering, the wars overseas, and all of the

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things that seem to be heading humanity in the wrong direction.

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I wanted to get James's point of view from the

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other side, what he has been hearing and what he

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has been told. So let's dive in. I like to

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welcome back to the show, returning champion, James in Prague.

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Speaker 3: You chal Champion, Thank you. Because of you, Well, that's

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when the show starred that you were the best hosts

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interview I've had in the past several years, because you're

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so into it and you have knowledge and wisdom about

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it and education, and it's a it really is wonderful

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to talk to someone who understands this world.

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Speaker 1: Oh but you know what, I really appreciate that, Jim.

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That means a lot coming from someone like you, who's

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who has who is a volume of knowledge and experience

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in this space as well. I think we're both trying

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to bring some light into the world. So I do truly,

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truly appreciate that, my friend. Yeah, and you we were

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talking about before we started is our last conversation, you know,

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cut a little fire. People really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I did a tour in Europe and people coming

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up to me in every different country I was at

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and they said, I heard when next Levels saw the podcast,

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I was really great, and you now it's great and

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a lot of people so yeah, about twenty people come

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up to me during that tour in different places and

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just saying to me, well, I just heard your podc

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And of course I did do these things. I don't

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know where they end up, of course, but yeah, a

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lot of people are hearing your podcast all over the world,

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which is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Like, just like you, I just do these

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I don't know where they end up either. They are

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tools of the universe to use as they wish. It's basically,

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whoever needs to hear the conversation at the time they

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need to hear it. It's just my job to put

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it out there into the world or whatever happens to.

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Speaker 3: It is great.

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Speaker 1: So, James, the first things I wanted to talk about

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in this conversation is I keep getting contacted by my tribe,

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if you will, about what is happening overseas, the violence,

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the wars, the conflicts that are going on, and people,

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you know, we on the show always talking about the

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humanity's great shift, our consciousness is rising, all of these

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kind of things, and that is all true. And I

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think both things kind of have to happen at the

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same time. From my personal point of view, Can you

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from your experience and your connection that I don't have

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to the other side, why this is all happening right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a good question, and it's a hard question

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in some respects because from a spiritual point of view,

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you got to remember that this Earth's school is it's

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a school for the souls. For the souls, it's a

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school for us to grow and expand and we come

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back here from It's important to know we all come

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back here all different levels of souls. So whether it's

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a baby soul that comes back who thinks that power

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and money and war is that everything? Or you have

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you know, advanced postgraduate souls who are light workers and

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healers and trying to bring love and and passion. And

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then you have of course those middle souls who are

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just still trying to figure things out. So when you

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have a space like that, we have a school like that,

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you will inevitably will create different scenarios and different dramas,

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different things to play out and to work out. So

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it's all about growth, and it's all a bit evolution

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and transformation. And not only is it personal transformation for

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each one of our souls here, this is a place

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to learn and to grow and to demonstrate compassion, understanding,

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patience in all different ways. Yeah, and not only for

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us as a one individual soul, but a soul group.

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personal karma, our country karma, our world karma. Obviously these

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places of conflict right now have their own karma. So

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it's trying to work those things out. It's no easy

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answer because there's so many aspects involved here. And I

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think that it really comes down to I feel when

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anything's extremism, whether whatever it is, politics or whatever, extreme,

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in any way, it's a bad thing. I think things

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need to be balanced and moderate because anyth extreme is

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not good, closes things off, closes the mind of close

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it from learning. We've got to be open minded. So

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in some strange ways, through conflict, through upsets, we learn,

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we grow, We understand that this is not the way

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things should be, and hopefully we'll get to that message,

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which is like human life is precious and no matter

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where it is, and no matter if it's in a

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battlefield or in a political court room wherever it might be,

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life are precious. And we got to realize that. And

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we also got to realize Alex and I think it's

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I really think the bigger picture is we've got to

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realize that we're all connected, that we're not separate. That

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big illusion we have in this three dimensional world is

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that we're separate. We're not. We're out all together. That's

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the big you know, we can't see the cloak, you know,

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or the called the value of forgetfulness. We come back

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here that things are just separate from one another, and

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they're not. They're actually together. So the interesting thing is

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what one does, whether it's thought, where it's an action,

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affects on the person. It affects all of us. It

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affects every single one of us. And that's why, in

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this human level world affected by this, we feel it

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because within our being it's part of us as well,

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and we want to do the best we can. So

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it's it's a playground here, and it's it's try to

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do the best we can. And I often people ask

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me what can they do, and I said, well, in

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order to change a macrocosm, you first got to change

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a microcosm. We got to change what's going on in

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your own life, conflicts in your own world, people in

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your own world. And I can say this to you

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because we've proven it, you and I have proven it

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that what you do the microcosm will affect a macrocosm.

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So even the podcast here will go out to many, many,

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many people, and on some subtle levels, it will affect

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them in some way, maybe in a conscious way, the

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level and help them to act accordingly. I think it

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forces people to go back inside themselves and to ask

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questions like what is going on with this world? What's

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going on with me in this world? We'll get into

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excuse me, how many to be more compassionate myself, my

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own personal life, so to ask these number of questions.

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But it's transformation, it's growth, it's change, and it's it's

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I mean, it's it's a horrible thing to see. But

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I also think this, there's no other place around that

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we do this, the other school and the galaxies that

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I know of that as this type of free will,

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this type of you know, different levels of soul. Of

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course there could be I might be for limited my

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what I'm aware of, but this is the Earth School

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is one where conflicts play out. We grow the most

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in many ways. Yeah, and I think that, I think

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to me, once you learn something, you can't unlearn it.

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So for instance, I say, you know, when you're a kids,

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you learn that are read lightnings, you can't cross the street.

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We've learned that one, and we don't have to. We

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don't unlearn things. We learn and we progress. So there's

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never a degress, is a progress. So I hopefully for

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a human kind, we're going to progress from this and

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from conflict to conflict where you felt. But when I

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first heat all these conflicts in the world, the first

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thought I had, the first feeling I sensed, was it

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feels so archaic. It feels so old, this way of

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battles like that, it feels like so long ago. It

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doesn't belong here anymore. We've reached a different level of

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awareness or consciousness, and like it seems so backwards to me.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with you one hundred percent. When

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I started, when I started seeing what was happening over

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said to myself, I'm like, this really, Like that was

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the really is this happening still? Like you know, some

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of those conflicts are thousands of years old. I'm like,

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are you really is this the song we're still playing,

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you know, after all these years? Like it's But I

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do think that in order for the wound to heal,

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it needs to be brought out into the light, and

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you need to dig it out of the dirt, if

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you will. And I saw that with with the last

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tech ten years here in the States, where you know,

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the racism has always been here in the United States,

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it's always been here, but it was very quiet. It

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was very subtle. It was very like muffled. You would

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hear it in the corner. You would hear at a party.

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wearing a T shirt stating something racist, or you know,

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putting it out on your arm. And now in the

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last decade, I don't know about you. In the eighties,

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you would have never heard the stuff that is being

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said now publicly on air. Things that are being said.

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But in order for it to heal, it needs to

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come out and be shown to the light, to be

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everyone's like, this is not who we want to be anymore.

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Speaker 3: It's true. It's the first step of healing is awareness.

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the surface, to look at it, to be aware of

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it and to be healed. And I think it goes

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hand in hand with it. And I often say this

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every day to friends of mine. You know, this new world,

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I don't get it. I'm actually writing a book right

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now about the old world and the new world. And

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that the social media a big deal of it. I

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think that people feel they have to have their fifteen

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minutes of fame. So with their social media, whether they're

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woke whatever, that all means. The political stuff, it's just

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everybody wants to be validated, I think in some way,

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and I think social media started doing that and influencers,

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which I still don't get, but influencers, they want to

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be influence, They want to be validated, they want to

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be seen. And you and I grew up. We didn't

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have that sort of a thing to have social media,

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and it just seems like you can just got on

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your bandwagon just about things out with no sense of

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integrity and responsibility. And that's really we got a responsible

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for our words and what we put out there.

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Speaker 3: And I think, again, extremism is not good. I think

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you know, don't section people off. We're all together, don't

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Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent of James. I

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think too that this whole social media phenomenon. You know,

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I was there when Facebook was still just barely I

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was there with my Space for God's sakes, right well,

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I mean, I mean the Aol, compu Serve and Earthlink,

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all that kind of stuff. Prodigy, but wow, yeah, I know, right,

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I'm going really back. But specifically when social media started

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coming in with MySpace and Twitter and Facebook and all

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these kind of things. The need for this attention, I

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do think is coming, and it's continuously it's been growing,

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but I think people are starting to burn out. I

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think this generation that's going through this will I think

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by the time they're my age and your age. I

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don't think the influencers of today, the twenty year old

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today in forty years is going to be still like

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chasing the influencer bandwagon when they're sixty. And I think

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that generation is I think humanity needs to go through

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this because it's all ego. It's ego, it's ego, it's fear.

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It's like I want to be validated. It's all fear based.

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It's all We need to kind of go through all

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of this in order to go away from it. And

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I'll point out something that's I think when people don't

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really realize, is that we are probably in the biggest

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peace time of humanity truly, that we've been in the

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last five thousand to seven thousand years. I know it's

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hard for a lot of people see it because if

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you just watch the news, the world's coming to an end.

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But that's not the truth. The truth is there's a

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lot more good a lot more good things happening. You know,

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people are fed more, people are drinking more. There is

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there is less violence per capita in the world than

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there was a hundred years ago. You know. I remember

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the if you just stick here in the US while

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while West people just walk around you to people for

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no reason, like you know in the Roman times, people

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will just slice you up, you know, like in England

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in English you know the not the joust, but that's

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another one. But pay the guns at a dawn, you know,

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and the and the duel and all that kind of stuff.

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These things were common practice, where now we look at

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them like that's barbar bear it burning, which is at

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the stake what Yeah, so we are.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because I'm thinking of a spiritual point of

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view from a soul's point of view, if you will,

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and going through these things in the past, what twenty

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five years I guess would be your twenty years, and

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this whole social media and this outcrying and this influencial

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I often wonder if it's them wanting to be obscene,

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wanting to be acknowledged, and I think it's there's greatness

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with their awareness. When there's an awareness out there, it's great,

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But again there's a responsibility. And if it could be

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used in a way where that awareness is that again

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we're connected, that our words mean something. You know, thoughts

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are things, and from an energetic point of view and claivoyantly,

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I will see people's thoughts when they throw a thought. Remember,

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thoughts are like bullets. It goes to target. When you're

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thinking of someone, you're thinking with that thought, it goes

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right to them, whether that's worry energy, love energy, fear energy.

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And I think a lot of people what I would

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like to do, and I'm gonna sure you're with me here,

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is open them up to the awareness that you're responsible

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for your thoughts, your words. Indeed, you're responsible for each

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other in this little environment of yours, your friends and

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the world, and what you put out there into the

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world stays out there. My favorite friend, my favorite person

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I've known for a long time, who watched her show,

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Judge Judy, I want to say she's to say in

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the beginning of shows, you know that Internet thing, you

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put stuff out there and it's gone forever, It's there forever,

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and it's really true. And I wish people would have

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a sense of more responsibility when they say things or

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do things, because it's really irresponsible for that energy going

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out to the universe, not only to the person, but

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the universe. And I remember when I did the show

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The Ghost Whisper, and it was I had to educate

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people's CBS and people the production company because I said,

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you know, they wanted to have this show opening very

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scary and fearful, which I get that get everybody into

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the show, and that was fun. Lo and Jennifer love

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You is cleavage. I'll get that. Want the truck drivers, Okay, fine,

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but put the truck drivers and we got them. We

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got the demo. I was like, wow, that really was

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That was really a thing and it ended up being

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the number one show on Friday nights for five years.

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But I remember going to then I had a bit

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of a arguments or disagreements are and I educate them

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by saying, you know, I'm okay with opening the show

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with the fear because you know you're putting this thing

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out there. And I have a degree in broadcasting, by

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the way, so I remember reading Marshall mcluan and all

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of that, and I said to them, listen what you

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put out and whether it's movies, television, computer shows, whatever, podcasts,

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there's a responsibility because when you're putting that fear energy

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out there, that's going to stay out in the atmosphere.

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It's going to go out there. And I said, I

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will do the show, but the show must end and

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a loving energy, a healing and loving energy, that is

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what you want to leave your audience with in the universe.

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You do not want to leave them with fear out there,

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because it's a real thing. And I think that people

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out there, those all these souls, all of us, pick

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up on those sprinkles of fear or love, and I

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think that some of that gets in us and we

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start living in that fear energy, and that's when maybe

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some conflicts start, or we're more apt to be in

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those conflicts or fear world limitations. So it's something to

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that there's going to be a responsibility for what's going

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out into the universe.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do believe that people who are putting stuff

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out like that today in ten or fifteen or twenty years,

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they're going to look back and go, oh, my God,

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because I don't know about you, Jens. When I was twenty,

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I was not perfect. When I was a teenager, I

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was not perfect. And I get on my knees and

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pray to God every day and say thank you for

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their not being any social media out at the time

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that I was in high school or I was in college.

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Because you know, your twenties and your late teens, in

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your early twenties, and your forumtimes into even into your thirties,

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your knucklehead and you do knucklehead stuff. And now that

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knucklehead isms are being broadcast and they live out that

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you can't really pull them off anymore for this new generation.

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So I think that is the lesson that it will

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take time to learn for people moving forward. But it

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is going to be something that is going to bite.

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It's already bitten people into back and things. That's a

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tweet from ten years ago. Gets them canceled or get

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them thrown off of a job or something like that

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when they were maybe younger. It's already starting to happen

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and people are starting to become more aware of it.

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Speaker 3: I think, I hope so. I would lately noticing someone

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on the internet on Netflix and some organizations of people

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that are using some of the spirituality sensing of you know,

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knowledge or wisdom, take a little bit of power and

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they get the ego involved and they start doing things

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the responsible and starting no.

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Speaker 1: That's not possible. Really, people using in the spiritual space

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have ego. Come on, James, stop it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very interesting to watch it because I think

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many of them on a spiritual bypass. They want to

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be spiritual, but they don't want to do a lot

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of people don't want to do the work they got

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to just get the spiritual bypassed and get there, and

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they don't want to do the process. They don't want

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to live with it. They don't know who they are.

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They don't know who they are.

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Speaker 1: First.

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Speaker 3: I always feel like that what good are you if

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you don't know who you are? How can you be

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I don't know, authentic if you don't have the sense

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of who you are as a human, as a soul,

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and how you interact with humans other humans instead of

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just doing this oh no spiritual bypassing, Oh I'm a

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guru or whatever. It's just so weird to me because

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people don't want to do the work.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's not weird to me at all,

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because both of you and I come from Hollywood, have

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experienced there, so I understand that, Like I want to live,

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Hollywood is a place where you live with the mask on,

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and you can't live without that mask. And people want

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to throw that mask on because they see power, they

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see prestige, so they want to be a yogi, but

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they really don't want to do the work. Or they

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want to be a spiritual master, but they really don't

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want to do the work. It's kind of like we all.

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You know, I would like to have Brad Pitt's six

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pack and eat in and out every day, but that's

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just not the way the world works. You know, you

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have to work at your physical body, your mental state,

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your spiritual state. It takes works, it takes years. There's

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a reason why these masters in India, these gurus and

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these ascended masters and masters who are walking the earth today.

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They decades working on decades and decades working on this

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to the point where they can elevate their energy, their vibrations,

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their frequency to such a level that people are like,

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but I want that. I'm like, yeah, we'll get in line.

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It's not gonna happen overnight. You're not gonna just be

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born a prodigy. That's not a thing. Even people like

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Yogananda who were quote unquote born into they were kind

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of a spiritual prodigy, no question. He had decades of

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work on him to the point where he went when

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he went to his guru, Jukta Schweal, it took him

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nine years at the ashram, just just just brushing the floor,

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sweeping the floor, and he's like, man, he just destroyed.

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He needed to break the ego down. Break the ego down,

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break the ego down. It took him that long to

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finally break the eCos. When you come in and you're

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Michael Jordan of spirituality, someone who's a little bit bigger

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than you to come down and go calm down there, cuh, Yeah,

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you can make a three pointer, but do it this

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way so it's fast.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

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And now back to the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting watching. It's just so interesting.

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Speaker 1: For me.

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Speaker 3: It's always been the I've always lived by the golden rule.

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Treat others who want to be treated. And again when

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I'm putting out to someone else, because that's real stuff,

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and I always go based upon my work that I've

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done that. You know, when we pass over, there's a

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life review, and we all have this life review where

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we see our whole experience of our lifetime in a

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flashes and we see those most incredible experiences where we

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did something or said something to the other person and

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we experienced it from their point of view ten times,

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twenty times, thirty times stronger. So I always say, wow,

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people knew that they'd be much more responsible for the

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way they act with people and say things to people,

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because gosh, when you pass over in the spirit world,

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there's no time and all you have of those memories

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of those experiences, and you have to live them over

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and over again. And you know, on this earth world,

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it's really hard we say of someone, we just said that,

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but you can go back and say I'm sorry, But

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imagine when there's no time and you don't have that

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connect with the physical and you live those mental things

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over and over again in your head. And I wish

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people in the world would get that that sense of responsibility.

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So if they knew that, maybe they would act differently,

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maybe that.

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Speaker 1: Act more's there's no question, there's no question. I think

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if if if the conflicts around the world, if the

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people in those conflicts understood some of these spiritual ideas

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and concepts that we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Even the beliefs of gods, the religions, there's a higher

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force whatever we would name want to put on that.

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I mean, that's sometimes we're funny for that. We got

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to believe in that higher force. So we all are

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that that energy. So it's a slap in the that force.

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Speaker 2: That But it's but Jims, this, it's this thing about

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my God is better than your God is the only

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way you know, it's a fear based god.

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Speaker 1: That's why I always joke around. I'm like, yeah, you

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remember the get Crusades when the Yogis went across Europe

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saying you must believe in Buddha or in in Krishna,

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Like that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't that's right?

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Speaker 1: For everybody listening, there was no yoga crusades. I just

476
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wanted you to know that didn't happen.

477
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Speaker 3: So so Christian.

478
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Speaker 1: Ye, there there was I think that I heard there

479
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was one of those.

480
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Speaker 3: I heard there was a couple of I think we're probably.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I think, uh, and in Jesus, I

482
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think on the on the mound, uh, he said, please

483
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everybody killing my name. But it just didn't It didn't

484
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make any sense. Now. One question I get asked all about,

485
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and I think this kind of leads into what we've

486
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been talking about with these conflicts, is because there are

487
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a lot of innocence in these conflicts happening right now,

488
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and in conflicts around the world, and even the mass

489
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violence that is happening here in the States. You know,

490
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there's so much of that going on. There's innocence. The

491
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question I asked is why the bad things happen to

492
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good people?

493
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Speaker 3: Well, good question, And I can only say what I

494
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know is that souls are aware of what's going to

495
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happen for the incarnation. So there are souls that know

496
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what their lifetime is going to be involved with. And

497
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there might be some uh, you know, I think I

498
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won't know this will I pass over, But I do

499
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think there are souls, groups of souls, and there are

500
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many many souls, and sometimes they will come into a

501
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lifetime and if we call them sacrifice themselves, or it

502
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might be advanced souls who go through that. I was

503
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watching the babies in the in the Gaza thing that

504
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or the poor babies out of the you know that

505
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couldn't get the help, and I was like, well, what

506
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have those souls? And I just got the sense again

507
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that they've chosen this way, that things that happened in accident,

508
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there are no accidents. I think it's all divine and involvement,

509
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and I think that from our point of view, if

510
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the human's level, we can't understand all of it. But

511
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I really do believe that there are certain groups of

512
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souls that come into if we want to say, sacrifice

513
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with those out there, and they are innocents per se.

514
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But there also I think sometimes are very spiritually evolved

515
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human beings. I think World War Two, a lot of

516
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the World War Two people that were called victims, but

517
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I think they were very wise advanced souls. Many advanced

518
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souls take on the hard lessons, many many advances, the

519
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hardest lessons we have for us are usually reserved for

520
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the advanced souls, post graduate souls, and those take on

521
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those conflicts, those take on they work with the human conflicts,

522
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and they will many times. If you will sacrifice yourself,

523
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I don't know. It's you know, when you realize that

524
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you're you're never there's no death, and you pass over

525
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the side, and you want to bring you have to

526
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do something to bring attention to the human growth. If

527
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you will. Sometimes we do that. So I don't know

528
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what you can say. Innocence in one respect, but also

529
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I think sometimes there are more advanced souls than we are.

530
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Speaker 1: I use innocence from from the point of view the human,

531
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that's right. Human. Just from the physical point of view,

532
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you know it is, it's horrified, But on the spiritual

533
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point of view, it's difficult. And people listening who have

534
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had things happened to them or had people to happen

535
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to their loved ones. Look, you and I could be

536
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,720
very spiritually enlightened, James, but if something happens to somebody

537
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we love, it's.

538
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Speaker 3: Gonna it's a human experience.

539
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna feel it,

540
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and we're gonna and we're gonna get angry, and we're

541
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gonna and we're gonna be tested, and we're gonna be

542
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pushed in many many ways. There's no PESSI.

543
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Speaker 3: It's a good word tested. Yes, we're always tested, and

544
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,720
that's exactly right. I agree with you. It's and the

545
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,799
human experience we have to feel. We chose to come

546
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,839
back and feel these things. And integration of the emotional, mental, spiritual, physical.

547
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Here is a this is a playground. This is the

548
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place we're gonna feel the human aspects and that is

549
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,640
a real part of us and we've got to honor that.

550
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Speaker 1: Without without question. Now, there is something that's also happening

551
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from the conflicts that are happening overseas here in the States,

552
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and I think also in Europe as well, is that

553
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,319
there seems to be an amping up of hate and

554
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,160
division going on. What advice do you have for individuals

555
00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:02,799
or guidance to how can we overcome this amping up

556
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:06,119
of hate and division again? It's bringing this stuff out

557
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,799
of the muck again. We're bringing all this stuff out

558
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:12,240
again again. A song that we've heard before, hate and division.

559
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,559
I mean, there's not a new song here, it's an

560
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old song, but it's being amped up again for us

561
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,359
to kind of just go enough. I think it's Enough's enough.

562
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This is ridiculous, yeah, kind of.

563
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,559
Speaker 3: It's that sense of separativeness. You know, they were separate again.

564
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,839
I'm gonna repeat that. The two biggest solutions we have

565
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,920
in three dimensional world when is death there is no

566
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,839
such thing as death, and the others that were separate

567
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:34,160
from one another, but we're not. But it's so interesting,

568
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,799
as we've just mentioned it, we have to be separate

569
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because we have our own well, my God is better

570
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than your God, and all the separativeness which shouldn't be.

571
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And I think people have to look into what do

572
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you want to call their enemies or foes over and

573
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see the commonality. I think that God, in this wondrous

574
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,319
way has enlightened every single soul on this earth, and

575
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I think every single soul is unique and they have

576
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that that it's that diversity, it's that difference. I think

577
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that God shows up in the differences, and I think

578
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we have to honor the differences in that person's makeup.

579
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:06,200
You know, maybe not you know, agree with everything, but

580
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we honor their point of view or their way of

581
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looking at things. And they can't be just one way.

582
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There's got to be a multiple, multiple ways of looking

583
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,359
at all these different souls who have different beliefs. We've

584
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got to honor all. That one is better than the

585
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,240
other one, it's just who they are. But if we

586
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,200
can find that that God energy, that creative energy, and

587
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,000
every single person, that that beautiful being in each person,

588
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that God like each person, and maybe we can behave

589
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:35,319
a little differently and respect that. You know, it's that

590
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,359
saying of the ego. Going back to you said the ego,

591
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,440
the ego is so important. I got to own this.

592
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I gotta control this. Nothing to do with that. We're

593
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really oneness. We're not separate. We're one. So we've got

594
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to find that oneness. And one is o n e

595
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:51,240
omnipresent nurturing energy. That's what love to me is, Love

596
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:53,160
is one omnipresent nurturing energy.

597
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Speaker 1: That's beautiful.

598
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Speaker 3: That's beautiful.

599
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always said that love is one these older

600
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relief jins who are saying that we are the only way,

601
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which on a marketing standpoint, makes all the sense in

602
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the world.

603
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Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean in all seriousness, like if

604
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you said, hey, you know, we're one of many, you

605
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could choose this one and you could choose the other one.

606
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,720
In the olden times, you couldn't do anything like that.

607
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,200
I needed to control the large groups. I needed to, Uh,

608
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,880
you're the only one that the group over there they're

609
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,400
gonna they're gonna rape and pillage. We're the way, they're

610
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,559
the infideles, all that kind of stuff and all all

611
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these major older religions. I think that that's one of

612
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the reasons why a lot of these religions are losing

613
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,480
followers by the millions every year, because it's just it

614
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,240
doesn't ring true anymore, and there's still stuff to that,

615
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,799
that old that old narrative, that old song, that old story,

616
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:48,440
and we're like, that doesn't.

617
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Speaker 3: It makes mindset right, the old mindset. And something really

618
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,839
interesting to point that, Alex, As I've watched this last

619
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I'm a YouTuber, I go not a do YouTube. I

620
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:58,960
watched television YouTube because it has everything I want. Has

621
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,720
watching is fascinating the fifty top Christian people, you know,

622
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the Christian ministers and all that, and it's very interesting

623
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because as I watch this, I'm like, okay, and people

624
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,319
are really into that, and that's fine, But I often

625
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:15,519
want to say, it's always that sense of the God power.

626
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,279
We take them. We don't take responsibility. We blame it

627
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,759
on a religion or a god. You have to act

628
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:22,640
this way because God will get Briggus to Hell or

629
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,880
God will. He's like, no, no, no, no, don't put it.

630
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,319
You need to take responsibility for your own actions, your

631
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:29,240
own forces, and you'll make you are God. Don't put

632
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,880
God in something else. And you know, it's just it's

633
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,839
just so weird that people just get away from who

634
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,759
they are and and they put this religion, which is

635
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:38,640
this I don't know out of a person, don't believe

636
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,920
in God and clouds and all that. I don't get that.

637
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:43,400
I think we're all that wonderful force. But I see

638
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,880
over and over again people are trying to Jesus comes

639
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,880
to me and God this and God. It's like, wait

640
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,160
a minute, let's just take responsibility for ourselves. Don't place

641
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,839
it onto a religion, because I don't think we get misguided.

642
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: Right. And then again, a lot of these older, these

643
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:02,519
older philosophy, these are religions, are based on fear. They're

644
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:03,079
fear based.

645
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: And I also think that a lot of people wanted

646
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,400
to be in part of a community, and those early

647
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,920
days they part of that community feel. So religion does

648
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,720
and I still does that religions.

649
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,759
Speaker 1: And the thing is too And I'm not bashing all

650
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,960
religion now because there are good things, like you said, community,

651
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,079
you know, helping people. There are good elements to all

652
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:27,960
of that. Will be right back after a word from

653
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:36,359
our sponsor and now back to the show. But when

654
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:39,480
you start believing that you're better than another group, or

655
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880
that if I don't do this, this will happen to

656
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,319
me kind of you know, the Hell thing. It was

657
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:47,359
taught Hell when I was in first grade and Catholic school.

658
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:50,839
You're kidding, it was terrified. I came home crying. I'm like, oh,

659
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,920
I gotta like it was insane. But those ideas, it's

660
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,200
so funny. My kids laugh, they're like, hell makes Nope,

661
00:31:58,279 --> 00:31:58,799
that's what's.

662
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: About limbo one.

663
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh, don't forget purgatory. Yes, of course purgatory.

664
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

665
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Speaker 1: Can't forget. Can't forget purgatory.

666
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,759
Speaker 3: It's so interesting because again going back to people taking

667
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:12,480
the responsibility for themselves instead of a spiritual bypass of

668
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,599
a religion and blame it all on the religion and

669
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,160
following that way, and it's just I think it's just

670
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,680
taken responsibility for our own selves. And I think, you know,

671
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,519
when people ask my religion, I say, well, every religion

672
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,640
is a bit of the truth, but not anyone religion

673
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,880
is all the truth. So I think people said, what

674
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,880
is your religion, I said, my religion is love. It's

675
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,839
that one. It's it's recognizing God that forced that whatever

676
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,079
that might be. People want to call it in each person,

677
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,440
but no one should own God. No one owns God.

678
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,240
People are God. So again going to say, if people

679
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,160
would see the God like in each person and have

680
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,079
respect for who they are, where they're at. And it's

681
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:47,079
really interesting because I think many people go into judgment,

682
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,960
and judgment to me is fear based because I judge

683
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,000
another because I want to feel better then so I

684
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,319
put them down that I'll be in control or I'll

685
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:59,000
feel better. I think that's a lot of what that is. Judgment, judgment,

686
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,160
total fear based and is an emotion of the human

687
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,559
It's not of the spirit. It's of the human world.

688
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Fear doesn't exist in the spiritual world. It's just this,

689
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,920
you know, f e a r false ego appearing real.

690
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,480
It has to do with us humanists, not the spirit.

691
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Speaker 1: It's interesting I was talking to a former Baptist the

692
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other day and we were when we were on the show,

693
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and he's like, yeah, you know, you know when I

694
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,319
was Baptists, I felt bad for you Catholics because you

695
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,839
guys were all going to Hell. And I'm like wow,

696
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,079
I'm like wow. I'm like and you know what we

697
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,680
did too, We said, oh, those poor Baptists are you know,

698
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:36,160
or Mormons or whatever other sect of Christianity there is.

699
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,920
It's a thousand of them. Oh, you poor people. You

700
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,039
just don't understand, Like it's it's such an ego place

701
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,720
to be. You need to feel like you're superior to

702
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:51,480
others in order to be able to just walk the earth.

703
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,640
And it's it's such a and that I think is

704
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,519
one of the keep causes of all of this conflict

705
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,039
that we're seeing in the world, is I must I'm

706
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:07,880
so scared inside of not being enough, or of what

707
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,199
other people will think, or of the communit it's almost

708
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,599
it's so primal. It's such a primal thing because again,

709
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,400
number one thing people fear most is talking in public.

710
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,400
Why because you feel you're gonna be ridicular and thrown

711
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,559
out of the tribe. And if you're thrown out of

712
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:22,360
the tribe. The lines will eat you because you're not

713
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,280
part of the tribe anymore, because you're alone. And that's

714
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,239
but that's where that all that comes from. So a

715
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,960
lot of these fears are still based in these really primal,

716
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,679
low energy, low level ideas, where when it's the very

717
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,199
archaic ideas, when you start to evolve yourself and open

718
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,679
yourself up to these higher ideas, you know, the other

719
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,280
day there was a problem I had in my life

720
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,039
where something came in to challenge me and that and

721
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:55,719
I processed it and within thirty minutes it was gone.

722
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,559
And it's been getting shorter and shorter. Before it would

723
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:03,320
take you know, days, sometimes it would ruin a month.

724
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,559
Sometimes it would hold onto it. Sometimes I would just

725
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,199
simmer in it. And now it's kind of like, okay,

726
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,679
that's not serving me anymore. I forgive and I will adjust.

727
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: So so a great way Alex with that, which was

728
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,760
just as just saying that reminds me and I've been

729
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,400
doing this and it really help two things. Number one, observation,

730
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,880
stepping back and observing. Don't have a knee jerk reaction

731
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,199
when something happens, when someone does something or something happens

732
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,519
like you don't pulled into that phonetic energy and have

733
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,800
a knee jerk reaction, but you want to step back

734
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,360
and be objective. And it's like watching a show, you know,

735
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840
in a stage that's not playing out, and I'm not

736
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,880
gonna get involved in that. I can be the audience

737
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,679
member and then I watch what's going on. It's not

738
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:41,880
gonna affect me and the other thing. When people have

739
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,440
these a lot of us, for us every day have

740
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:48,480
situations with difficult situations, whether it's emotional, health wise, you know,

741
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:51,079
we going through all stuff, whatever it is. I often

742
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:54,039
say when things come into my life, these experiences like

743
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,199
not happy or whatever, might be opportunities instead of judging

744
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,719
them as good about as it's an opportunity to understand

745
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,280
myself more, believe in faith, whatever I need to do something,

746
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,320
believe myself. I think there are always opportunities. Someone says

747
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,519
this happened to me, said, well, step back, what opportunity?

748
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,239
What lessons? We're here learning lessons. Remember we're in school

749
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:19,320
and we have different lessons every day and every day

750
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,199
I mentioned in the first broadcast we did together every

751
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,280
day on our path, there are teachers and there are

752
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,159
students and that's the exciting part. So as we go

753
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,000
each day, Wow, who's going to teach me something today?

754
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,719
Who am I going to teach myself today? So it's

755
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,239
really opportunities that come to us. And if we could

756
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,440
be again to repeat this back from the first show,

757
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,119
because you can't hear enough, it's living in the moment.

758
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,840
You know, the past has already happened, the future is

759
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,519
yet to be. So really be fully involved in this

760
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,559
moment now. And that's a true way to live, live

761
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,039
the fullness of each moment. And I think that's how

762
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,039
we should live our lives.

763
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's this this event that happened to me.

764
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,440
When I kind of pulled back, I said, I again,

765
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,480
we're not perfect, we're not all We're not We're all learning.

766
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,119
It takes it, it took, but I've noticed that it

767
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,559
was a few hours, like recently it was like maybe

768
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:12,519
a few hours. Before it was days or weeks or months.

769
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:14,719
Sometimes now it's gotten to a few hours and now

770
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,719
I was done in like fifteen to twenty minutes. It

771
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,239
was back, it was gone. But I stopped it. I

772
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,079
said to myself, what is the lesson here?

773
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: Right?

774
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: What am I? What am I supposed to learn from this,

775
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,840
because this is happening for me, not to me. So

776
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,079
I'm like, okay, so what so what is? What is

777
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:34,360
what am I supposed to learn here? I and you

778
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,719
start rattling your head and sometimes you might come up

779
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,880
with an answer, but many times you just won't know

780
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,559
until maybe six months down the line, a year down

781
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:44,039
the line, five years down the line, go oh that's

782
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,239
what that was, what the thing is. But at least

783
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,480
you're being aware that this is a lesson what all

784
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:51,239
of it? All of it from people, someone cutting off,

785
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,280
cutting you off in traffic? How did you deal with that?

786
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,119
How did you react to that? Again, no one's perfect.

787
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:00,280
Someone cut me off the other day and I said

788
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,880
something to my wife like what, I'm like, sorry, you know, so.

789
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: I was like, they pull you down or bring you up?

790
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:05,960
You know?

791
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,679
Speaker 1: I mean, well that that guy pulled me up. Then

792
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:12,719
I jump back up. I elevated again, James, but but

793
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,480
for a second I just went back down, not in

794
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,480
a different It was weird though, because before it would

795
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,360
be cursing and yelling, and before it were chasing him

796
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,760
and trying to flick them off, and all that was

797
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,440
with the young version of me when I was in

798
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,480
my twenties. You're just the how dare you? My ego? Now?

799
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:31,639
It was just like I was angry because he was

800
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,519
putting other people at risk? Was that that was the

801
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:38,760
difference of what was happening. He wasn't me. I didn't

802
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,400
care that he cut me off, But I saw how

803
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,960
reckless he was being. I'm like, you're gonna kill somebody,

804
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,079
You're gonna hurt somebody. Why are you being such an idiot?

805
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,039
That was that was where I came from. So I

806
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,000
even noticed that in my perception, I got angry, But

807
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,280
I got angry for the right reason.

808
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: I guess you saw the bigger picture, which is really

809
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,079
important when these things happened to us, see the bigger picture,

810
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,599
see these opportunities in the bigger picture. And you know

811
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,760
what also helps Alex with our mindset? What is our mindset?

812
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,559
How do we change? Like again we just talked about,

813
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,159
you know, when we have these situations, their opportunities to grow.

814
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,840
There are lessons. So when you change that mindset and

815
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,239
you see get away from the judgment, because judgment fear basing, okay,

816
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:17,480
and you can see people being in fear, you can

817
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:19,280
see people in judgment but you don't have to be

818
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,079
in that. You can be aware of it but not

819
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,559
be of it, you know. And again we're putting positions

820
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,960
to teach others or to learn from and the same thing.

821
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,280
And it really might get down to, you know, some

822
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,719
severe lessons we're gonna learn. They're gonna push us to

823
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,119
our our maximum. You know, it does that. I was

824
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,760
once a parking lot. I had my loving dog in

825
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,960
the car, and it was I had an automatic air

826
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,559
condition It stays on the engine, but you know, you

827
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,360
can't hear it. And I remember us coming out of

828
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,320
the store and watch this lady next to my truck

829
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,559
and she's like looking in with her phone and she

830
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,559
looks at me, and I'm talking on the phone in

831
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:54,960
front of the store, and I'm telling I think something's

832
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,599
going on with this lady. So I walked up to him.

833
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,840
I said, She said, oh, did you just pick the

834
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,760
engine started because it starts five minutes or hould you

835
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,639
just put that on? Because you saw me standing in

836
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:05,760
the truck next to your dog. And I said, excuse me,

837
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,280
She goes, your dog is in this truck. I said, yes,

838
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,719
I know there's air conditioning on it. You don't hear it,

839
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,840
it's a hybrid. He goes, huh, I'm concerned about your dog,

840
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,199
And I said, okay. And I thought, I can get

841
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,239
really really angry and pissed off, or I can be kind.

842
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,440
I did get a little pissed off because it was

843
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,880
my dog, my child. But I said to the lady,

844
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,639
I said, number one, you could have come over to me.

845
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:28,639
If you're concerned and you saw me standing there, why

846
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:30,079
didn't you walk over with me and talk to me

847
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,199
instead of acting all in power. You shouldn't have done that.

848
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:35,719
That was the right way you handled these situations. Do

849
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,000
you think I'd really hurt an animal? And maybe you did,

850
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,679
but it's worth that extra step to come back and say,

851
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,039
excuse me, sir. Is that you're doing so we have

852
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,800
to do that. People rush into judgment right away, and

853
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,840
they got to stop and take a few deep breaths

854
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,760
and what's the story here, what's really going on.

855
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

856
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:58,880
and now back to the show.

857
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,559
Speaker 3: I think, and we think we've got to remind people

858
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:04,639
of that. And we're giving those situations in our life

859
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,800
maybe to remind people to stop, take a breath, and

860
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,280
let's see instead of reacting, because everything instead of reacting

861
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:13,679
reactionary these days, just stop, take a breath and see

862
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:14,639
the fullness of that picture.

863
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, pull out the phone, let's record the situation so

864
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:20,360
we can get clicked, so we can get validation. It's

865
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,679
it's you know, it's it's it's insane. Now, we've been

866
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:26,880
talking a lot of about you know, things happen for us,

867
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:29,679
uh and not to us, and this kind of thing

868
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,480
and that love that. Yeah, and that is wonderfully to

869
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:35,199
be said in a philosophical standpoint. Now, both you and

870
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,920
I have had things happen to us in our lives.

871
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,000
We all have. If you're living in walking the earth,

872
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,519
you're gonna have issues. You're gonna have conflict, You're gonna

873
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:46,840
have trauma, You're gonna have It's just part of this experience.

874
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

875
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,199
Speaker 1: So what advice would you have for somebody who is

876
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,480
in the midst of a loss, in the midst of

877
00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:01,840
witnessing violence and with them not understanding why I lost

878
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,239
this loved one in the way I did, or why

879
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,840
this is happening to my community, or why this is

880
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,800
happening to my town or things like that.

881
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,079
Speaker 3: Okay, So a couple of things. So a loved one,

882
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:15,119
losing a loved one number number one. Again, it's your perspective,

883
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,039
perspective that you have. So again going back to the

884
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,960
origin that we are souls having a human experience and

885
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,159
that love. You know, love will never die. That you

886
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,119
don't lose your loved ones. They are there with you.

887
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,960
It's a human experience, and when you lose someone, it's

888
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,639
one of the hardest things of courus, the human experience.

889
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:33,360
It's losing a loved one, losing a child, a partner,

890
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:37,119
an animal. It's really hard for us to go through that.

891
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,639
That's how we grow here and again I think I

892
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,639
don't know all the answer to that. I just know

893
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:45,000
that's our soul's growth going through those things. I think

894
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,920
when we recognize things that are happening to our community

895
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,559
and our town, our countries, it's it's really an opportunity

896
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:56,000
for us to try to find the compassion, trying to

897
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:59,679
find the compassion within the situation and how can we

898
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,079
help to heal, whether it's through prayer, whether it's through kindness,

899
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:06,280
acts of kindness, and a little bit of you know,

900
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:09,599
in our little micro micro world. Like I said earlier,

901
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:12,920
because the macro world is gonna it'll be affected by

902
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,440
the micro world. So we've got what good are we

903
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,519
worrying about those places if we don't take care of

904
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:19,239
our own house, we don't take care of our own

905
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,159
stuff going on within us and around us. I mean,

906
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,599
what good are we if we don't take care of

907
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:26,119
that first? So we have to have compassion in all

908
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,039
of our lives and see that again going back to

909
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,719
that God person, that God lighten everyone and understanding again,

910
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,000
getting away from judgment and fear. But that's the way

911
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:38,800
it is, having compassion, remind people who they are, that

912
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,119
they are God, that the source that God is not

913
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:43,920
outside them, God is within. And I think in this

914
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,519
whole path here, if one can learn to know who

915
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:48,840
they are. And I know with all my students in

916
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,000
my school, I say, you know the number one thing

917
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,320
is in life too, is know who you are. To

918
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,519
their own self be true. My grandmother told me that

919
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:57,719
was a little kid Shakespeare quote of to my own

920
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,840
self be true, And it's really amazing. I was watching

921
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,000
also an interview, this time with Dolly Parton, and she

922
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:06,000
was talking to who are done about that God? Because

923
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,360
I've always had that sense of myself and who are done?

924
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:10,480
You know, so successful in many ways shows I'm just

925
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:12,360
myself and she goes. One of the gifts I had

926
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:14,679
very early on, and I relate to this too, is

927
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,199
I knew who I was. I knew who I was,

928
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,280
and I think that's really the secret here is everyone

929
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,840
should know who they are and honor who they are.

930
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,480
And you don't be anybody else. What other people think

931
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,239
of you as none of your business. That's their energy,

932
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,440
not yours. But no one knows themselves and believes in

933
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,159
themselves and realizes they are this beautiful light here and

934
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:36,239
that's who they are. I don't want to be someone else.

935
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,119
I want to be me, you know. I want to

936
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:41,000
bring this particle of God to the world, my own

937
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:43,719
particles of who I am, and I think people look

938
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,559
out them. When people start looking outside themselves, they get

939
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:49,679
into trouble because it won't fit into who they are,

940
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,440
and they're asking stuff that's impossible. You've got to know

941
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,679
who you are and live that greatness of who you

942
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,079
are and never be judged by others. Don't let others,

943
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,159
don't let others take your power away. You know that's

944
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,159
not right. We have to empower ourselves and we've got

945
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:05,239
to take the opportunity to do that. And many times

946
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,760
there are diverse and horror hard situations in our family lives,

947
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,719
everyday lives that push us to the brain and they

948
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,199
will these are these these obstacles will push us to

949
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:19,400
understanding ourselves better, having different relationship with ourselves, a relationship

950
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,800
with either people around us in our workspace. So it

951
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,440
forces us some of those really adverse experiences in our

952
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,719
lives really help us the most.

953
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: James, let me ask you, though, and I know you've

954
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,920
been angry in your life, and I've been angry in

955
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,519
my life, and there's I mean of all of us

956
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,159
have gone through that. When you're in the midst of

957
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:43,920
that anger, when you are in the the pervial crap

958
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,920
of anger, it is so difficult to not just see

959
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,119
white or not just see the anger or the resentment

960
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:56,000
that you or whatever the other emotions are, you are

961
00:45:56,199 --> 00:46:01,039
just in it. What advice can you say for somebody

962
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,880
who to just stop for a second and not do

963
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,360
that near jerk reaction, or to just be in this

964
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,960
constant state of anger against a group of people, or

965
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,800
against a specific person, or against a government, or against

966
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,480
x X, A, Y or Z whatever that thing is,

967
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:21,719
you know, a dog, a tree, whatever that thing is

968
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,519
that you're so angry about. It's not just the initial area,

969
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:28,960
but these people who are constantly angry about these things.

970
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,239
How can what advice do you have for anybody who

971
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,159
wants to get out of that?

972
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,559
Speaker 3: It's a big question. So yeah, that's ample answer. I

973
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:37,559
can like do it based upon my life experience and

974
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,320
really for me, what has worked. And I don't get angry.

975
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,599
Look I used to because I think that hopefully we

976
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:44,760
come back here to evolve. I think our souls come

977
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,400
back to go through these lessons to learn something from them,

978
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,960
so we evolve and expand. And now I feel like

979
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,079
I'm in my sixties now I've gotten to a point

980
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:55,639
of I don't get angry really much. I really don't.

981
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,840
I get to a point of I don't understand and

982
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,400
I don't I don't underst and conflict. I don't understand hate.

983
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:05,239
I don't understand it. I see it's happening, and it's

984
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,480
it's there, but I don't get it because for me,

985
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,800
I see the bigger picture. I see the possibilities, the potential,

986
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:14,679
and I think when people could just again going back

987
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,079
to that relationship with themselves. And I've told a lot

988
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,840
of this about sitting in the stillness of your being,

989
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,320
sitting in that quiet space, taking a break, taking a breath,

990
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,159
twenty minutes a day, a few minutes, say stop and

991
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:28,079
connect with yourself. Stop and connect with your soul self,

992
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,719
Connect with your heart, not with your head. So many

993
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,679
people are in their heads and their heads and their

994
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:35,480
heads judging and conflicting and all these different things going on.

995
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:38,239
There's so much phonetic energy out there, and it's going

996
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,480
to feed the head, right, we got to go to

997
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:42,840
the heart. So it's go to the heart of the matter.

998
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,119
So I just go. You know, when something a conflict

999
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:47,639
comes up our situation, I say, okay, what's going on here?

1000
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,840
Like I just what's what to see the whole scene,

1001
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:53,320
being very objective and I'm saying what that soul's learning

1002
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,199
from that, and how can I behave how can I

1003
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,960
make this better? Sometimes in life, you know you got

1004
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,199
to and it's really hard. There are people that you

1005
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,800
love in your life and they got to go through

1006
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,679
some stuff. They got to go through some shit, and

1007
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,239
you can't do anything because you can it's part of

1008
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,320
their journey. You know, you can help it to a point,

1009
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,840
but then they have to go forward, right, and that's

1010
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,360
really hard for us. We love people, so I think

1011
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,400
we have to live by example, and I think we

1012
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,239
have to again honor them where they're at. I think

1013
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,719
also Alex, when one begins to have an awareness of

1014
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,159
the objectivity of a situation and who they're dealing with.

1015
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,199
I think people once they know themselves and they honor

1016
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,800
who they are, then there's a sense of boundary work.

1017
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,159
They have to have boundaries. They got to instilled boundaries,

1018
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,320
whether it's in their families or their married partners' lives,

1019
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,960
their friends and work life. There's got to be boundaries.

1020
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,039
And there's when people walk over people's boundaries, and just

1021
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,760
the basic level, that's bad because they're they're putting their

1022
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,519
stuff onto somebody else. And when we allow that to happen,

1023
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:54,599
that's not good because we take our power, they take

1024
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:57,079
our power away. So it's the same thing, if you will,

1025
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,960
and the conflicts in the world, you know, taking power

1026
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,840
where you're having no boundaries. So we've got in system

1027
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,880
boundaries and that's really what's going on here. Realistic boundaries too,

1028
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,920
when talking about countries and so forth, there's got to

1029
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,039
be realistic boundaries, and it's got to be an honor.

1030
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,039
You know, we're in a community here, this whole world community.

1031
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:16,920
It's one world, and we've got to again honor and

1032
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,079
respect people's boundaries or countries boundaries, and you know, not

1033
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:21,239
try to get over on each other.

1034
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: Well, with all the stuff that is going on in

1035
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:31,519
the world, James, how can we foster compassion and understanding

1036
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,599
in the times of war, in the times of violence,

1037
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,519
of needless violence, either on an individual level or on

1038
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,840
a group level. How can we foster that compassion and

1039
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,320
understanding at these times?

1040
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: I think that you know, there are opportunities every day

1041
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,920
with that, with wars or people in conflict, there are

1042
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,800
opportunities to act, whether it's in compassionate ways and kind

1043
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,559
ways and humanitarian ways. Just find the humanitarian each person again,

1044
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,039
find that, you know, I live by the golden rule,

1045
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,440
and it's like, how would you treat somebody? And that's

1046
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,000
really what I think people have to get back to

1047
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,840
that origin of this is my family. Everyone, even though

1048
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,679
we speak a different language, it doesn't matter. We're all

1049
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,840
the same. So how can I honor that person? How

1050
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,000
can I honor them? And again it goes with everything

1051
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,280
that we talk about as far as fear and love. Life

1052
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,280
is a series of choices based on love or fear.

1053
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,440
And again, if you can find that love within that person,

1054
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,000
and maybe you can help them and teach them, enlighten them,

1055
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,880
two ways of behaving, two ways of looking at something

1056
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,719
in a different way, to come back to a sense

1057
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,400
of who they are. I think that would help, having

1058
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,199
that sense of who they are. And yeah, and again

1059
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,039
go back, not the head, but the heart, you know,

1060
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:45,880
the heart of the matter.

1061
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:50,199
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1062
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:59,280
and now back to the show. No, James, I another

1063
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:03,239
question I get asked a lot, unfortunately, a lot of questions.

1064
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:07,719
As my friend, we get we're affecting millions of people.

1065
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,280
We get a lot of email helping people grow. Alex,

1066
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:18,039
I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm doing I'm doing my part.

1067
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:20,760
But one but one question I do get asked a

1068
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,079
bunch is about when people are at the end of

1069
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,800
the rope, when they believe that there is no out,

1070
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,480
when they feel like I have only one choice, and

1071
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,760
and they they're they're asking for help because they just

1072
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,280
don't see the other side of the fence. They don't

1073
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,760
see it's it's really dark right now, but the sun

1074
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,880
is just about to pop out. They hang on just

1075
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,199
a little longer. But that what advice do you have?

1076
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,760
What guidance do you have for these these souls who

1077
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,480
are just at that deep place that they think.

1078
00:51:57,679 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: I've been there? We have both, I think a lot of.

1079
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: I think we have. I think we've all been there

1080
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:01,119
at one point.

1081
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:02,559
Speaker 3: We've been there. I mean there was a time where

1082
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,400
I just had, even with the awareness I have, and

1083
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,440
it was like on the you again, it's a human thing, right,

1084
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,199
It's a human thing, and and it was a dark

1085
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:11,679
place to go to, and I was like why am

1086
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,159
I here? I should be here? And it was like,

1087
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,920
you know, I'd be talked down with the tree because

1088
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,599
it's like no, but what you know, what, what good

1089
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:20,199
is it? But I know that was that human reaction.

1090
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,000
That was that knee jerk reaction that I had. And

1091
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,960
I just had to stop and really quiet my line

1092
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,559
because my mind was going crazy, right, so to stop

1093
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:30,559
get back to my truth of who I really am.

1094
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,320
And I realized that, come on, this is a human

1095
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,599
experience we're going through here. Uh, you know, you can't die,

1096
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,639
And it's it's how are you going to deal with it?

1097
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,559
And it's it's an opportunity, it's a lesson and Okay,

1098
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:43,119
look at this, how am I going to deal with

1099
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:46,039
this sense of who I am? This situation going on

1100
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:48,119
with me? How am I going to handle it? And

1101
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,360
sometimes in the darkest moments you get the most illumination,

1102
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,480
you really do. It's somebody to go to the dark

1103
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:56,079
knight of the soul to really open up and see

1104
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:59,000
things a very, very different perspective. And it takes those

1105
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,440
dark knights of the soul to look at things in

1106
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,239
a very a very deep way, a very different way.

1107
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,320
And I've had some trouble with It's very funny some

1108
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,400
people in our lives. You know, we have different people

1109
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,400
in our lives. And I've been around a group of

1110
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,400
people and I didn't get what's going on there. I

1111
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,119
don't know they're believes, so the way they did things

1112
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:20,320
or opinions, and I would be my kitchen wa you know,

1113
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,800
my dishes, and I would often ask that, and I

1114
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,840
heard Spirit once say, James, that's all they know. They

1115
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,920
don't know any better. That's all they know. They don't

1116
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,280
know any better. So you've got to accept them for

1117
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,400
the level that they're at because they don't know any better.

1118
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:36,559
And that's really true when we, you know, put our

1119
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:39,440
own stuff onto other people, it's really not fair because

1120
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,400
they don't know as much. You know, they don't know

1121
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:44,039
maybe they're the second grade, not the postgraduate or whatever

1122
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,840
it might be. That's all they know about and so

1123
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,760
it's hard for us. Why can we judge those people

1124
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,360
that they don't know any better? So why judge them?

1125
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,400
You know, it's and then we have unrealistic expectations of others,

1126
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,000
and that's really an illusion because they don't know any

1127
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,199
better to do differently.

1128
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like, you know, looking at

1129
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,079
a five year old who you know, poops on the

1130
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:08,599
floor and you're like, what are you doing? Like, you

1131
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:10,840
can't get angry if he's five. They don't know any better.

1132
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,039
They're learning, they're learning, they're growing. So if you look

1133
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:18,880
at people sometimes with a child's childlike I meaning that

1134
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,119
you don't judge a three year old for throwing spaghetti

1135
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:25,400
across the room. You would judge a thirty year old

1136
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,199
for doing that. And if they're doing that, they're there

1137
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,960
to be a real decent reason. But there's an acceptance

1138
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:33,000
level for certain ages that there aren't for others. As

1139
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,559
we grow and continue to grow, forget that. The term

1140
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:40,079
is in sociology for that. But there are acceptable societal things.

1141
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:42,320
That's a five year old, he's screaming in the middle

1142
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,000
of an airplane. It's going to happen. So it's a

1143
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:48,679
forty year old, Yeah, forty year old that you can't

1144
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:48,960
have that.

1145
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,159
Speaker 3: So if you if you address that a child to

1146
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:53,840
say a five year old, that it's only known about,

1147
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,840
then let's go to communities or certain countries or a

1148
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,639
certain belief systems. That's all they know. They might not

1149
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:03,159
know about unconditional love, they might not know about compassion,

1150
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:05,960
they might not know that. And sometimes it takes those

1151
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:08,760
dark knights of soul, those conflicts to open them up.

1152
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,800
Say and maybe it's some horrific things to happen before

1153
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,480
they wake up and say this isn't right, this isn't

1154
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:16,639
right for us, we got to So I think many

1155
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:19,559
times it's an evolution of a certain group. I really do.

1156
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,880
I think that we're these different countries and so forth.

1157
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,800
We'll all have our karma, we all have the levels

1158
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,719
that we're at, and I think we sometimes have to

1159
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,679
shake things up and look at it from a different

1160
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:30,719
point of view, and sometimes it takes some horrific things

1161
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,880
to happen before humans say, wait, this isn't working, This

1162
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,559
isn't that. We want to change this up, and you know,

1163
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,719
and in the Middle East, for god, it was like,

1164
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,840
it's amazing. But hopefully it'll it'll rise up and it'll

1165
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,880
be a whole different and which I think it will.

1166
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:46,480
I just think the humans and humans are difficult. The

1167
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,719
humans are so difficult. It's just like, well, that's just

1168
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:50,320
that ego.

1169
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: This is not an easy school, James.

1170
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: It's a very hard school. It's a very difficult school.

1171
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,000
And I've had some people come back, good friends want

1172
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,079
who passed over. One lady was Lady Violet, and she's

1173
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,320
in my end of my book Unfinished Business, because we

1174
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,639
sit and have tea every afternoon and we talk about

1175
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:11,159
spiritual things. And she passed over and she's come back

1176
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,599
several times. And the first time she came back, she

1177
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:16,320
said to me, and she's just lovely. Voice says, oh, James,

1178
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,559
why can't people just pat themselves in the back for

1179
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:21,119
having that human experience. It's a hard school, but they

1180
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:24,079
don't give themselves the credit for going through it. It's true.

1181
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:26,280
We don't we you know, we always limit ourselves. We

1182
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,440
judge ourselves instead of saying good job, you know you're here,

1183
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,280
you're doing it. Not an easy pick in this school.

1184
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,760
It's a hard school. There are millions of schools, millions

1185
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,039
of galaxies. This is a hard one. There's a lot

1186
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:39,840
of the human stuff coming from different levels, different conflicts,

1187
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,159
different belief systems, you know, mind control, all that sort

1188
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,519
of thing. It has to force us to go within

1189
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:49,199
ourselves and have that relationship with our soul self. I

1190
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,679
think there's a great opportunity to do.

1191
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: That now, Jims, you and I touched upon this a

1192
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,239
little earlier today, that that in the spiritual space that

1193
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,280
you and I live in, where there are spiritual masters,

1194
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:02,880
there are.

1195
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: Guru spaces, spaces, spaces, yes, yes, spa let's limited spaces, yes, spaces.

1196
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,159
Speaker 1: Many spaces, realms if you will, Yes, the spiritual realms

1197
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,480
that we live in. There are a lot of people

1198
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:20,079
come out in the spiritual realm and speak about being

1199
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:23,320
a spiritual masters, being a guru, being these kind of people,

1200
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:26,639
and there is We were talking before the show started

1201
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,079
about a new documentary series that's on Netflix called Escaping

1202
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,199
the twin Flames, if I'm not mistaken. Can we touch

1203
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:39,760
a little bit upon this concept of the ethics of

1204
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,480
people in this spiritual space and what people are doing

1205
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:47,000
and selling and controlling people and so on, because I

1206
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,840
get stuff sent to me hundreds of emails a day,

1207
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,039
people wanted to come on the show, and I'm being

1208
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:56,639
my team and I are extremely selective now because we

1209
00:57:56,719 --> 00:58:00,440
understand the power of the show and the response ability

1210
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:00,960
of the show, the.

1211
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,639
Speaker 5: Responsibility because yeah, it's very We're very cautious of that

1212
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:08,960
because if we put you on the show, you're gonna

1213
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:13,440
probably get a big wave of people coming towards you

1214
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,400
purely because you've been on the show.

1215
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: So I'm very cautious about that. Can you talk a

1216
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,159
little bit about that documentary.

1217
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:22,719
Speaker 3: Which I haven't seen, And you know, Alex also's going

1218
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,280
to be in alignment with what you're putting out to

1219
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,159
the world. You know, those people come on your show,

1220
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,440
there's got to be an alignment of there that you know,

1221
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,599
what your believes in, their believes are similar. So this

1222
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:33,440
is a show that I guess someone might have pointed

1223
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,159
out to me, but I watch it's on Netflix. Like

1224
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,920
I said, Escape from Twin flames and it's a guy

1225
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,719
in Michigan and his girlfriend and he's taken some spiritual

1226
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:47,159
insights from many teachers, including myself, because there are things

1227
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:49,800
he said that I have in my school and different insights.

1228
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,719
But it's all that window dressing. It's all the buzzwords.

1229
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:56,079
And he's put himself in a space where and he's

1230
00:58:56,119 --> 00:58:58,639
a sosopath, no doubt about it. He's a sosopath, could

1231
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:02,800
be part of psychopath. And he's it's really about it's

1232
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,119
that ego, mind control, cultish type of thing. And he

1233
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:09,639
talks about having he knows enough buzzwords and people that

1234
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:12,159
aren't unaware of it. And again people that don't want

1235
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:15,159
to do it spiritual progression, but spiritual bypass, they will

1236
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,000
get it right to the top. They look to other

1237
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:20,960
people for the guru thing. And he has fit right

1238
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,760
in there. And he's talk to himself being the second

1239
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,719
coming of Jesus, that he's very aware that he's evolved,

1240
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:28,000
and he said he could put you know, twin flames.

1241
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,559
I don't know what twin flame is, by the way,

1242
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,039
they can match up the twin flames. And then he's

1243
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:37,199
talking about divine mastery, divine feminine divine masculine, and he's

1244
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,199
literally have people saying, no, this is your twin flame

1245
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:42,360
and you've got to change your sex. So people are

1246
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,679
having operations to change their sex because of what he says.

1247
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,440
And he's the only one that can say it. So

1248
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:49,760
it goes to that cult type of thing, and it's

1249
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,639
you know, a little bit of wisdom, a little bit

1250
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:55,280
of knowledge is a dangerous thing, like because he's read

1251
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,360
some books, he has you know, my cards in the

1252
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:02,639
backward bookshelf and other metaphysicians. Physical people hit their cards,

1253
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:07,079
the oracle cards, decks, but they destroy, they distort the

1254
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,519
information for their own power. It's again the ego power

1255
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,559
in this way is the sociopath look for vulnerable people

1256
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,239
to control, and that's really a horrible thing. And you know,

1257
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,639
when you do this work, when you're in this spiritual work,

1258
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,880
is you and I. You're in the spiritual spaces, there

1259
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,559
is a sense of integrity and responsibility. And when I

1260
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:28,440
first started development as a medium, the very verse thing

1261
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,199
I learned was integrat and responsibility because you have people's

1262
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:34,320
lives in your hands. And it's very very true. Any

1263
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,480
spiritual leader, if you will, has to have that sense

1264
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:41,880
of you have a responsibility for people's lives and what

1265
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,440
you say influences them. And if there's someone who has

1266
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,559
an ego or a psychological issue like sociopathic issues, that's

1267
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:52,159
pretty dangerous. And again going back to people looking for leaders,

1268
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:54,559
they don't want to take the responsiblity themselves, look to other

1269
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:56,960
people for it, and if they speak those buzzwords, then

1270
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,719
they'll listen. And it's a shame because those people that

1271
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,239
gets have no sense of who they are, they don't

1272
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:04,360
have that awareness of self looking for someone else to

1273
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,199
fulfill that. You know, listen, people want to put me

1274
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,239
on the guru chair and I was like, no, no, no, no,

1275
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,960
I'm not a guru. I'm you. I mean, you know

1276
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,159
more than I do. We're all the same, and it

1277
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:18,840
becomes more it's weird. So it's a sense of integrative responsibility.

1278
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,039
And it really hurts me when I see that hurting

1279
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:25,960
another you know, human that way, because it's it's it's

1280
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,960
hurting them, it's it's it's destroying lives.

1281
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,079
Speaker 1: Will be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1282
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:39,599
and now back to the show. You know, I think

1283
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,679
I think that people who watch this show and if

1284
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:47,920
they see guests on the show. Always listen to yourself,

1285
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:51,079
Listen to that inner voice. Does this person align with you?

1286
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,840
Because not everyone's gonna like you, James, Not everyone's gonna

1287
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,199
like you? And and and if what is resonating with you?

1288
01:01:57,679 --> 01:01:59,559
Speaker 3: Because it's so funny, Alex, I said that all the

1289
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:02,960
same term all the time, I said, I said, you know,

1290
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:04,639
you can read as many books you want or see

1291
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:07,000
as many people as want. What resonates is truth with you.

1292
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:09,360
Take it, but it doesn't throw it out. Even myself said,

1293
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,920
if what I say resonate's great, If not, don't use it.

1294
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,599
I mean, we have to make that choice for ourselves.

1295
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,400
We have to, you know, we can't look to others

1296
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,519
for answers. We got to find the answers within ourselves.

1297
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:22,039
And all the answers are within ourselves. We just take

1298
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:25,039
the time to listen and to hear the little voice within,

1299
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,360
you know, will be so much better off than listening

1300
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:27,920
to others.

1301
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: But Jims, I just want to take a pill and

1302
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,039
cutting enlightened. Is that not exactly? I just want one pill.

1303
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:34,559
I'll take two if it takes too. Oh, I just

1304
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,159
want to be enlightened, you know.

1305
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,679
Speaker 3: But part of my work in my school with the mediums,

1306
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,760
you know, aspiring mediums. It's a six month course and

1307
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,800
I say, you have sit in development circle. And part

1308
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,360
of my developing is a medium with seven years of

1309
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,480
sitting in the quiet for seven years every Tuesday night

1310
01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:52,280
before we'd even give one message out. And I find

1311
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,480
that it was the development part of my mediumship that

1312
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:58,239
was the most incredible. It's not getting the point of

1313
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,719
giving messages, that's that's part of it, right, But it's

1314
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,920
really is the spiritual growth and that relationship with your

1315
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,119
own soul that you start having and the way you

1316
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:08,960
look at yourself in a different way in the world.

1317
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:12,719
It's that development parts, that progression that's really the fun

1318
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:15,440
part of it and the most enlightened and evolved part

1319
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,079
of it. Then mediumship is later on that's the end result.

1320
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,400
But it's really the development that is really important. I

1321
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,039
think every all of us, every human, take the time

1322
01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:27,320
develop your sense of self really because that sense of

1323
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,880
self had that my soul and I look at your

1324
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,679
life and go through life from that perspective of my

1325
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:33,920
soul and I.

1326
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,639
Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny because people I talk to

1327
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,400
a lot of other podcasters who want me to come

1328
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,039
on their shows, and I'll talk to them and they're like,

1329
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:45,519
they're like, man, how are you You know? I just

1330
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:48,920
started my podcast. You have any advice? I'm like, do

1331
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,480
about fifteen hundred episodes over the last eight years on

1332
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:57,239
multiple different copics and things, and you're going to get better.

1333
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:00,119
But people just want to just like I just to

1334
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:02,679
jump on YouTube and you know, being mister Beast and

1335
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,599
have one hundred million like that doesn't it doesn't work

1336
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:08,199
that way. Even someone like mister Beasts, who's the biggest

1337
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,000
YouTuber in the world by the way, who's affecting a

1338
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,840
lot of people and helping a lot of people with

1339
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:16,480
his philanthropy and things like that. He's been at it

1340
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,239
for fifteen years. He started when he was like twelve.

1341
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,639
He's still in his mid twenties, for God's sakes, but

1342
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,239
he started so early on, but he worked. He just

1343
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,559
kept pounding and pounding it. So in that space, you know,

1344
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,679
I'm using podcasting an example. Or someone looks like Michael

1345
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:34,599
Phelps is like, oh, such a good swimmer. Do you

1346
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:37,800
know how many thousands of hours he was in the

1347
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,639
pool in the same thing for spirituality, you.

1348
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 3: Know how many strong foundations there's got to be such

1349
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:44,960
a strong foundation.

1350
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: You got to just enjoy the journey.

1351
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:50,039
Speaker 3: Enjoy the journey like your work, like you've worked really

1352
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:52,400
hard to get what you're at. And you're not someone

1353
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,679
that just and I'm not either, just throws stuff out there.

1354
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:57,159
We have there's a meaning behind it, there's an energy

1355
01:04:57,199 --> 01:04:59,800
behind it, there's a there's a consciousness behind what we do.

1356
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:02,280
It's not just getting many followers as we possibly can.

1357
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:05,960
There's a consciousness. There's a giving to people. And that's

1358
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,320
a big difference because I know there's a lot of

1359
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,920
influencers or YouTubers or whatever out there. I just want

1360
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,079
to be famous. I just want to get all these

1361
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,960
followers and influences. Really, what good is that if you

1362
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,280
don't have the material, you know, the content, and you

1363
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,760
have to have that strong sense of foundation and content.

1364
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,760
Otherwise it means it's meaningless.

1365
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,679
Speaker 1: No, it's all it's all ego based. And even even

1366
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:25,760
even even people who talk to me, I'm like, I

1367
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,280
don't know, I'm just I'm just the conduit, right, That's

1368
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,159
all I look at myself as is a conduit. I

1369
01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:33,119
am no leader, I am nothing like that. I am

1370
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:35,880
the conduit. I've been pity you because what's happening to

1371
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,280
this show. There's no way that I'm controlling it. Just

1372
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,119
like a lot of the things that happened in your career,

1373
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,920
there's absolutely no way you could have pulled the levers

1374
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,119
to make things happen. They just doors open. People showed

1375
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:50,599
up in your life. Things. So when you when you

1376
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:56,559
kind of surrender to that energy, yep, and you just go, Okay,

1377
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:59,679
I'm I'm not in control here. I gotta work, i

1378
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:03,280
gotta up, I got to do the work, but I'm

1379
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,679
not in the control of it. That liberates you a lot,

1380
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:09,360
you know, but it doesn't stop you.

1381
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 3: Alex. Also what you're saying, because like you know, we

1382
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,719
go and I agree with so much, just like the

1383
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,639
same rain here. And I think also not only a vessel,

1384
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,320
but I think we're a mirrors to other people. We

1385
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,239
are the mirror reflecting, So we are mirrors to them.

1386
01:06:22,239 --> 01:06:24,440
When people say, oh, you've done this, it's so good. No, no,

1387
01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:26,880
you have. I'm just a mirror to what you have.

1388
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,000
I just reflect your gifts, yourself. You know, I'm just

1389
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:33,599
here to reflect, but you are just a mirror. And

1390
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:35,280
I think that's what we do too, and only your vessels,

1391
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,920
but we reflect the best and the possibility is the

1392
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,000
potential of souls.

1393
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: Would I would agree with the hundred percent of my friend.

1394
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:44,199
So so before we go.

1395
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 3: James that we've been talking so much, so quickly, Alex.

1396
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: I know, right, we could talk for hours and hours.

1397
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,119
You'll be back. Don't worry, You'll be back great. So

1398
01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:56,079
the there is we've been talking so much about these

1399
01:06:56,119 --> 01:06:57,840
conflicts and about the things happening in the world and

1400
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,960
all this kind of stuff. And you tell us a

1401
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,719
little bit about from the other side, from what the

1402
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,639
other side is telling you, what's going to happen over

1403
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:08,840
the next few months, over the next six months, over

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the next year, good batter and different choice.

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Speaker 3: So certain things that we call hidden that they can

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only they can't reveal everything that goes on. So I

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got to say, from that point of view, I do

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think that there's gonna be major conflicts coming in now

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01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,800
in November December, I do think. So I think there's

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gonna be World War three, I really do. I don't

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think it'll be a major, but I do think there'll

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be a term world War three. I think that's going

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to happen.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to not sure to be an extremist,

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but it feels like there's a cleansing coming.

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Speaker 1: Something, something's gonna happening, is going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I do sense also that the United States will be

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involved as far as in the country. So whether it's

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in La Chicago, New York, something's gonna happen in one

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of these cities. It feels inevitable. You know, I just

1422
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,679
had a sense something's gonna happen with that. I just

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think it's gonna be a very different world. I think,

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01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,000
like February twenty fourth, they will be very different world.

1425
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Then we know it. You know, when COVID came, that

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01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:04,639
was a different world. World trads and that was a

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01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:07,039
different world. Something along those lines as far as that

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01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:09,800
level is going to have to happen because it's gonna

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it's gonna open everybody up. Yeah, I think it's gonna Yeah.

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But I also think and when they're great things happen

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01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:19,920
for those sorts of conflicts, it's also great things for

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humans to show again love and compassion and healing and

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01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,199
changing the way they think. Changing the way we think

1434
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:32,520
is a global presence. It'll it'll force us to and

1435
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,399
it'll force our way of thinking. It forces the paradigm

1436
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,119
that we're on. You know, it will force us to

1437
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:40,520
change our ways of thinking, and I think that sometimes

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01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,920
things have to happen for that to evolve. We have

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01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,000
to evolve like that those things have happened.

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Speaker 1: So Jim's just like in the Ghost Whispers, we could

1441
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start off with fear. I need to I need to

1442
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,960
end with love, sir. So what what? What? What? Optimistic?

1443
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:57,199
What is going to happen towards the end of this,

1444
01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:59,159
this next stage that we're going to go through, Because

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hopefully this is all for the better. It's gonna be rough.

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Speaker 3: It's always the better, but we can't see it when

1447
01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:06,199
we're in it, right, so it's gonna be better. I

1448
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:10,079
think there'll be a stronger sense of humanitarian connection. I

1449
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:12,600
think even social media is you know, we can be

1450
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,720
connected to a country ound world in minutes. We weren't before.

1451
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,720
So I think there'll be more of this connection with

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01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:21,039
a global community than we've had before. And I think

1453
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:24,000
there'll be a lot more of I don't know understanding

1454
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:27,399
of different ways. I think there's also not what this means,

1455
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,000
but I think there'll be a different way of government.

1456
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:30,840
I don't know what that means coming up with a

1457
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,600
new way of governing. Don't know what that means, but

1458
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,880
I think that'll be happening, and I think there'll be

1459
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:39,279
more of the humanitarian awareness. I do believe that's going

1460
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,840
to happen. I really do. I just think there'll be

1461
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,319
change in borders, country, borders in some way. I'm not

1462
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,960
saying where. I don't know, but there's gonna be that change.

1463
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:49,680
But I think there's going to be more of a

1464
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connection understanding one another. And I also think there's gonna

1465
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:56,279
be changed in religions which talk about religion. I think

1466
01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:58,600
that's going to come into big changes. I really do,

1467
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,760
because you know, it's all about if the soul's evolving,

1468
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,239
the soul, the soul group here this earth has to

1469
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:08,119
evolve again. We don't go backwards. We evolved, so look

1470
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at that point we will evolve, and I think there'll

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be more of an understanding. You know, years ago we

1472
01:10:14,199 --> 01:10:16,199
had a white and a black person. Oh that was weird.

1473
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:18,000
Remember Secondoh you couldn't have God for goods?

1474
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, and now it's.

1475
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,359
Speaker 3: So different, and I think it's going be more of

1476
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:25,680
that diversification and more understanding. I think we're headed towards

1477
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,199
that it takes some time. We're headed towards the oneness

1478
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:28,720
of everyone.

1479
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: You want to hear a funny story is talking about

1480
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,319
the old ways. I was when I was in Italy

1481
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:36,359
going to different churches because I loved I mean, you

1482
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,960
just walk around Italy and every little town has the

1483
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:45,800
most beautiful, ornate church you've ever seen everywhere, and there

1484
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,399
were some churches that you could not. My wife would

1485
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:52,000
be like having like you know, like an armless shirt

1486
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:54,520
or shorts, and she would have to be wrapped in

1487
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,680
something to be able to walk in. And I'm sitting

1488
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,640
there going, what is are we not in twenty twenty three?

1489
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:07,039
Like what is happening here? Will be right back after

1490
01:11:07,079 --> 01:11:13,119
a word from our sponsor and now back to the show.

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And it was just such an old, kind of archaic

1492
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:23,079
but not even cultural, but just on the religious standpoint.

1493
01:11:23,119 --> 01:11:25,720
You're like, you can't show a woman's shoulder, you can't

1494
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,039
show a woman's legs? Why because that could entice a man?

1495
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,840
Like like really because there was other women in the room.

1496
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,239
It's not like it was a group of I mean,

1497
01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:35,720
it was just so bizarre to me. And they would

1498
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,079
like hand out shawls or the people selling shawls there

1499
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:41,560
obviously it was just a fact.

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Speaker 3: So this old covering people's face.

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01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm just in the Christian space and unless I even

1502
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,960
get into that's a whole. But like you said, they

1503
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,880
that's all they know. That's that's all they know. So

1504
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,079
I think, and I think why. This is why these

1505
01:11:58,119 --> 01:12:03,279
conversations so valuable. It's so important, and it is my

1506
01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:06,159
goal and my mission to get them out to as

1507
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:09,920
many people in the world as possible and as many languages,

1508
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:14,000
as many cultures. Because once you start getting this kind

1509
01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:17,760
of information into those areas that don't know any better,

1510
01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:20,199
don't know any better, that they don't know anything else,

1511
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,079
it starts to at least plant seeds to like make

1512
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:24,600
them think.

1513
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 3: It causes them to think exactly, it causes them to

1514
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,279
stop and think, like all this information might be brand

1515
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:32,600
new to them, like, well, what are these guys talking about.

1516
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,920
There's gonna be something. Let me investigate this, let's let's

1517
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,880
understand this. And I think it does. I think it

1518
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,520
plants those seeds. And that's what you can do. I

1519
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,079
can do with planning those seeds around the world, and

1520
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,600
some people will get them and germanate and it'll be

1521
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,840
opening their whole lives up and you know it's a

1522
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,720
you know, Alex, I got to tell you this. I'm

1523
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,279
just writing about this. When I was first starting out

1524
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:55,840
and I was told I was gonna I went to

1525
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,279
a medium who when I was twenty something years old

1526
01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:00,800
and he said, oh, you're here, You're gonna conscious of

1527
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,039
the planet. I'm like, ah, what he said, Oh, yeah,

1528
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:04,880
you're going to change the conscious of the planet. I said,

1529
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,800
I just want to be a sitcom writer. That's o la.

1530
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:10,119
But I gotta tell you something. It's happened, and I

1531
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:13,159
didn't know how, but there's a bigger plan and if

1532
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:15,479
I could have done that with because I brought into

1533
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,039
the awareness of mediumship and spirituality in that in that

1534
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,000
realm of mediumship, it's opened up the world to that.

1535
01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:23,439
Whether it was Larry King or other shows have done

1536
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,600
and other mediums have done, it's it's changed the conscious,

1537
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,359
it's changed, it's it's opened up to space. And that

1538
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,640
tells me that you, of course, you're doing the exact

1539
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,840
same thing. And I just want to say I honor

1540
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,920
your work because you do it with again the content,

1541
01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:39,720
with the right ideas behind it, the love, the compassion,

1542
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,680
the teaching and the wisdom and that's good. There's a

1543
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,880
good thing. So I think you'll you'll do really really well.

1544
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,960
I think I think you'll do very well. I think

1545
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,199
I'll do a couple more shows too. Appreciate it too.

1546
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: Now, where can people find out more about you and

1547
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:56,920
the amazing work that you're doing, sir?

1548
01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 3: They can go on my website vanprog dot com via

1549
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:02,720
pr aajh dot com. And also have a school which

1550
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,119
is a very involved active school which I have all

1551
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:08,000
of forty five or and courses of all diferent subjects

1552
01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:10,680
and that's the JVP School of Mystical Arts and that's

1553
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,159
I work with that daily, so they can find me

1554
01:14:13,159 --> 01:14:14,760
in there as well. And I still do evenings of

1555
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,640
spirit messages and that's the kind Vanprogg dot com. They

1556
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:18,439
can find that all that.

1557
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: And do you have any party messages for the audience?

1558
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, try to find God and everybody. When something comes

1559
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,880
up in a conflict, you know, and the curtain goes up,

1560
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,479
try to open up the curtain and try to find

1561
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,920
the good and the bad that you perceive is bad.

1562
01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:34,560
Try to find the good and that's the first step.

1563
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,319
First step, and think with your heart not your head.

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01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: James I appreciate you so much for coming back on

1565
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,880
the show. I look forward to our next conversation.

1566
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 3: Same here and thank you Alex appreciate it.

1567
01:14:46,039 --> 01:14:48,199
Speaker 1: I want to thank James so much for coming on

1568
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:51,239
the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all

1569
01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:53,000
of us. If you want to get links to anything

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01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,600
we spoke about in this episode, head over to the

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01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,199
show notes at Next levelsoul dot com forward slash three

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01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:02,479
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1578
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,399
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