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Speaker 1: We got a little bit of time left. We'll we'll,

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we'll do this. Uh, we should talk about the Gene

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Simmons the latestmonsuff so regular listeners, longtime listeners of the show. No,

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Kiss is my my all time favorite band, But Gene

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Gene Simmons, for as long as I can remember, has

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had these moments where he upsets people. Uh. Here's the

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latest little controversy and it involves Peter Chris and the

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song Beth. Everybody knows that song Beth. I hear you

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call in all right, So this is from parade dot com, who,

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by the way, shame on parade dot com because in

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the uh, the picture that they used is not in

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the headline. They used a picture of Eric Carr, not

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Peter Cris. Eric Carr is not the original singer of Beth.

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Peter Cris is, but they use the wrong drummer, Wow,

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replaced Peter Chris.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's really that's a really shoddy journey.

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Speaker 1: Really sloppy, Yeah, really sloppy. All right, he's here's what

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the article says. In nineteen seventy six, Kiss released what

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would become their biggest hit song, Beth, the power rock

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ballad I wouldn't call it a power rock ballad appeared

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on the glam band's fourth studio album, Destroyer, and started

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out as the B side to Detroit Rock City, which

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is which is true, which is interesting, and this is

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not you know, this has happened with other hit songs.

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But but yeah, a lot of people might not know

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that Beth was actually the B side. Beth was never

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intended to be the single. And you know, the reason

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Beth was the B side is because and I remember

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noticing this when I was a kid. You know, singles

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would usually have on the A side would be what

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was supposed to be the single, and the B side

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would usually be actually one of the weakest tracks on

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the album. Because they would always record labels would always

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make sure that the B side was a song that

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they didn't think had any chance. They didn't want the

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B side to be something they might want to release

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as a single later, because so they would put what

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they considered to be a throwaway track as the B side.

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At least in America, British bands have a history of

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actually recording a separate song for the B side that

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isn't on the album, so it's kind of like a

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bonus track. But that's but that I think is cooler.

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Oh me too, But that was not the case in America.

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Hasn't been the case in America generally. So so the

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B side to Detroit Rock City. Everyone knows the song

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Detroit Rock City, but the B side was Beth. So

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Beth reached number seven on the Billboard Hot one hundred

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and won the People's Choice Award for Favorite New Song

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of nineteen seventy six. In a post on his official website,

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Chris Peter Cris has touted Beth as Kiss his biggest hit.

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He added that the People's Choice honor was his favorite

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award because the people voted, and he's even prouder of

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the song decades later than he was in nineteen seventy six.

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But in a January twenty twenty sixth interview with the

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Professor of Rock podcast Kiss co founder Gene Simmons downplayed

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Peter Cris's involvement with the hit song. Now, part of

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this story I already knew, but part of it I,

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as well as I think most Kiss fans, was hearing

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for the first time. Okay, here's what Jean Simmons said. Quote.

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The history of Beth is that Peter and I were

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in a limo and he starts humming. I'm like, that's

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a nice melody. What is that? He goes, Oh, it's

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a song I wrote called Beck because we had started

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working with Bob Ezrin. I said, why don't you bring

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up that song? By the way, what are the chords

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to that? He goes, Oh, I don't know. I thought

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that was peculiar. But before then I suggested in the car,

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why don't you change it to Beth, because when you

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say Beck, that hard syllable stops the and Beth is

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a much more romantic idea. By the way, In another interview,

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Jeene Simmons had once said about that specific moment, because

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this is part of the story I already had heard,

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and this is part of the story that's been consistent

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over the years, that they were in a limo and

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Peter said it's Beck and and But the previous version

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of the story, Jean said, he suggests these are his

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exact words. He said, Oh, why don't you make it

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instead of Beck?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, I remember now he said to Peter Beck,

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what is that about? Is that? Is it? About Jeff

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beck and uh, and Peter said, no, no, it's about

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Becky because I guess I was his girlfriend. And and

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then Jean said, well, I wonder you should instead of

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beck maybe you should change it to Beth so that

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people don't think you're playing for the other team. Those

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Jean's words, that's how he puts. Yeah, yeah, but anyway,

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but but so that's but that's the basic story, very

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the basic story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, what did did Peter ever give his side

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of that? I don't he ever say that conversation didn't

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happen or it did happen.

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Speaker 1: No, I've never heard Peter dispute any of that. Okay,

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but he's But here's where it gets interesting. So here's

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here's what Jean said on the on the podcast, he said,

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it's time for the truth. Peter does not write songs.

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musical instrument by definition, as far as I know. Peter

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plays no other instruments that I've ever seen, not keyboards,

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extreme instruments. Peter's got a very Peter's got a great

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whiskey voice in the early days, had a great whisky voice.

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He said, This is the important part. The person who

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wrote Beth is a guy named stan Pendrich. Stan Pendrich

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was with Peter in a group called Chelsea. They had

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a record out, actually it was on MCA. So Peter

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did not write Beth. Stan Pendrich wrote that, but through

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politics and hint hint, nudge, nudge, and I wasn't there

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when the conversation went down, stan Pendrich apparently agreed that

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Peter's name would go in the songwriting credit. It appears

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first Peter, Chris bob Ezrin, Stan Pendrich or the other

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way around. But Peter's first Peter had nothing to do

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with that song. He sang it. In other words, he

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had nothing to do with writing it. I'd like to

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know that.

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Speaker 2: Any of those people have to say.

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Speaker 1: Well, Pendrich died in two thousand and one, so we'll

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never get his story, but say that he's not a

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musicians so oh, well, what he said and they didn't

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include the full quote here, So what he actually said

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is he said drums are not a musical instrument. They're

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a percussive instrument, which is nitpicking and insulting. So Gene

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was definitely out of line for saying that that's a

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that's a crazy thing to say. Now this is the part,

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the part that I did not know. So because everyone

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knows the song Beth, but I'll just play for anyone

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who doesn't, I'll just play a little bit of it.

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was when I found the Chelsea version. I actually went

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and listened to the Chelsea version of Beth. We'll go

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ahead and play a little bit of this, but then,

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well then we'll play the Chelsea version.

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Speaker 2: You call in but I can't come home and this

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Chelsea and the boys.

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Speaker 1: No, this is the kiss version.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, throw me up like really, yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, this is the Kiss version. I'll be to you.

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Speaker 3: What can I do?

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Speaker 2: What can.

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Speaker 1: Okay? So that's that's Beth by Kiss with with Peter singing. Now,

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this is what I had never heard before. This is Chelsea.

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Again he's dead, so nobody can get his side of

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things from from. Uh. This is this is the original

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this blew my mind from from when Peter and Stan

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Pendrich were in a band together called Chelsea.

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Speaker 3: But a.

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Speaker 1: But we just can't sow. Yeah, so it's definitely the

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same song jeans.

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Speaker 2: Sour because this is the song that got real. That's

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the number one.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think he cares about that, and it

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wasn't one he wrote. I don't. I don't think. I

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don't think that's why do you think he's so so

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part of his I don't think he's I don't think

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he's sour necessarily.

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Speaker 2: I think you just look hateful after somebody dies.

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Speaker 1: Well you're now you're conflating with uh A.

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Speaker 2: But you don't find it, you don't find it odd

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that they're happening so close together that he dies and

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now suddenly we're hearing this about Peter. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: No, it's Jean's uh it's very on brand for Gene.

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Speaker 3: He's been doing this for decades, making enemies. Well he does, Yeah,

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but why why do this? Why why do this? It's

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such a great Now this is nastiness about it?

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Speaker 2: Or is he trying to garner more money by creating controversy.

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Speaker 1: I think I think he likes being in the news certainly, but.

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Speaker 2: This say we should say the podcast is the professor

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of rocks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I mean he's not wrong though here, Like,

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I had no idea. See this to me as a

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I'm actually glad. I mean, I don't agree with what

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he said about Peter doesn't play a musical instrument and

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all that. That's absurd, it's mean, but but it is mean,

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and I don't know that he intended it that way.

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I knew. I mean, you know, obviously I know a

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lot about Kiss and I knew that Peter Chris was

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in a band called Chelsea with Pendrich.

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Speaker 2: That's all I knew. I had no idea that he

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was involved at all with this song. You thought this

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song came from Kissed, right.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't know. Well, I knew that San Pendrich

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Speaker 2: Writer, but it was Kissed that did it first? That

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there wasn't a bandit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea this song beck by Chelsea existed.

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I found it on YouTube. This was posted on YouTube

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fourteen years ago, and I had no idea until now.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't the guy kind of sound like Rod Stewart?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's Peter singing on it the way.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it just sounds like Rod Star.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, Peter sounds like Rod Stewart, he's got that

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same kind of voice. Yeah, Yeah, that's why there's this

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there's this weird story that's gone around for decades that

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how I think we talked about it on air, this

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this story about Beth, that uh, that it was actually

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written for Rod Stewart and that and that he rejected

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it because it sounded too much like Maggie May. But

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Speaker 2: Story anymore anyway.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Even if you halfway believed that, you.

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Speaker 1: Can't believe it anymore. Yeah. I don't believe that story anyway, right,

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because that doesn't even make sense. Why would you know?

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way that story started. This is my theory. I think

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people probably thought, oh that kind of uh, that kind

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of reminds me of Rod Stewart, And so then it

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just became this thing. You know, some people just write

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an urban legend exactly. But uh but no, uh, that

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that is the same song. I mean, there's no getting

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Speaker 2: The revelation about the song fine and acknowledging that it

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came from another band could be very good, but to

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do so in the same breath as just being rotten.

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I'm sorry, it's rotten. I think drummers and musicians, and

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I think their drums are there their instrument. I don't

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understand that one either musical instrument versus percussion instrument. They

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both have instrument in the sentence. So how is how

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don't agree.

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Speaker 2: I think drums is one of the hardest things to

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the Horizon singing at the same time. Oh by god,

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versus screaming all in the same It's amazing talent, it's

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and they're incredibly musicians. And to cut them off at

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the knees and call them you know, anything other or

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make them less than anybody playing any other instrument, whether

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it's a guitar or whatever. It kind of gives that

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feeling of a drummer being less than the guitarist or

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the bassist. And I don't I don't like that at all.

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I think it's pretty cold and rude and wrong. And

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I guess, like you said, in keeping with his style.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we gotta go. Thank you everybody who

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joined us today. And I thought it was a fun show.

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Paul Nazzole, I'm sure I'm not saying his name correctly.

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and in the first hour, of course, Uh sick dude.

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Hell yeah. I love those guys so much fun as

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I love their music, and they're really good people too.

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So if you want to know more about what I'm

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up to, Matt Connerton dot com especially you know it

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is January. If you want to book a hypnotherapy session,

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you can do that right through the website. And Jenny,

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you want to mention your website.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can always keep up with the good trouble

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I'm getting into at Jencoffee dot com. J E N

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N C O F F e y dot com and

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stay tuned for some stuff coming.

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Speaker 1: Up this week. That's right, that's right.