WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and on with Cliff and Bobo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and 3 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.199 read it. Im Stard and me. 4 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:24.079 Righteous on us today, listening, watching Lim always. 5 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:25.359 Keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.440 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.640 Greetings, Bobo, How you doing? Man? 8 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:34.320 Hey? What's up Cliff? How are you doing? 9 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:37.600 Things are going all right for the most part. Melissa 10 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:38.799 was out of town for a little over a week. 11 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:41.200 She just got back last night. So I always appreciate 12 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:44.200 having my best friend in the center of my universe around, 13 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:47.359 so that's cool and joining that. I'm gonna go to 14 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:49.119 the woods tomorrow. It's been about a week and a 15 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.039 half for a lit over of weeks since I've been there, 16 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:53.479 so I'm looking forward to doing that as well. What 17 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:55.039 about you, anything cool going on? 18 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.439 Well? I had something cool. I did have something cool 19 00:00:57.439 --> 00:00:59.200 going on. I got to go out with you and 20 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:02.159 uh Art Letterman Polly. 21 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:04.480 Yeah, I was like having it was like the old days, 22 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:07.879 you know, having like the quote unquote California Crew back together. 23 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:09.799 You know, we got the band back together for a night, 24 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:13.200 which is neat. They're at Bluff Creek and what a pleasure. 25 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:15.319 That was because I was looking at my calendar and 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:16.840 I knew Melissa had to go out of town. And 27 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:20.239 I basically thought, you know, man, if I want to 28 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:22.840 get the Bluff, I just like Bluff Creek. I just 29 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:24.920 wanted to get down there. It's kind of like revisiting, 30 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:26.000 you know, the Holy Land. 31 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:26.680 You know. 32 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:28.280 I try to do it every year or two at 33 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:31.719 the very least. And I realized Melissa's headed out of town. 34 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:34.319 If I didn't do it that at that window, I 35 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:36.400 wasn't going to do it. And I wanted to see 36 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.480 how the fires were. And I heard the roads are 37 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.560 really good. You told me that, and so I said, okay, 38 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:42.719 I want to go down and spend a few nights 39 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.920 alone at Bluff Creek. On the way down, I talked 40 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.439 to Bart He's he was going to be down there, 41 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:50.799 so I called you. I said, hey, Bart's and then 42 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:53.319 Lighterman was there. So it turns out to instead of 43 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:55.959 spending three nights alone at Bluff Creek, I got to 44 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:57.640 spend a night at Buff Creek. Was some of my 45 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.359 best friends and it was awesome. Just loved it. 46 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:02.599 Was you were on fire too, you there, weren't they 47 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:04.760 growner jokes. They're all laughing jokes. 48 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:07.920 Oh well, well, either either I'm wearing you down slowly 49 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:10.199 or you're finally coming around in my sense of humor. 50 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:12.280 That was great. 51 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:14.439 I'd like to think my humor has not changed. 52 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:18.000 I talked to Well, yeah, you got two kinds or 53 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:21.199 three kinds, I guess. But anyways, Uh, yeah. I talked 54 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:23.919 to Bart last night for a while, and he to 55 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.280 go through all this audio yet, but he said, you 56 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:27.960 went through yours if you couldn't find any of those 57 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:28.919 notes he heard. 58 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:31.800 Yeah, Well, he brought these rocks from Washington. He liked 59 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.080 the sound of them clacking together, and he was that 60 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:37.280 night when we went to bed, he was He walked 61 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:38.639 up and down the road a few hundred yards and 62 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:41.960 was clacking. And he said that he got a really 63 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.240 weird clacking response back and I and you know, my 64 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.080 recorder was running, and I went through and I got 65 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.919 Bart clacking, but I didn't get anything after it. So 66 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.919 I mean, either the position of my recorder prohibited it, 67 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.719 or perhaps it was just too quiet. And you know, 68 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.120 recorders don't get everything, that's for sure. So yeah, he 69 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.599 heard some stuff responding, but I never did. I never did, 70 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:05.000 although when I was out there walking around, you know, 71 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.800 both at night and also during the day. There was 72 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:09.719 some stuff happening. You know. We were at the water 73 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.520 spot and there was a big marsh there and I 74 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:14.960 was at the I guess it would be the northwest 75 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:16.479 side of that, one of those marshes, and there was 76 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:18.360 something on the hill above me, and I say, and 77 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.240 it's probably a bear, because I mean there are tons 78 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:24.759 and tons of bear there. I mean, everywhere you look, 79 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.280 it's you can find bear prints. It's ridiculous how much 80 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.080 bear is there, which is probably why the Sasquatch is 81 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.240 pop by. And then later on that day, I was 82 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:34.360 walking the roads. I was out there alone, walking the 83 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.840 roads up and down on the side because the roads 84 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:39.560 that are all chewed up at this moment because they've 85 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:41.879 been doing so much road work. And I've been ranting, like, 86 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:45.240 what a fantastic opportunity this is to find footprints at 87 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:48.120 Bluff Creek. If you're interested in tracking, everybody should go 88 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:50.080 to Bluff Creek and check it out. Because the roads 89 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:52.360 I don't think I been this good for tracking, probably 90 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.479 since the sixties before they graveled them. But anyway, when 91 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:57.560 I was out there, I got some weird knocky sort 92 00:03:57.599 --> 00:03:59.120 of out noises. I mean, there are a lot of 93 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:00.800 things are falling from the tree ease, of course, but 94 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.159 I mean these sounded stronger than just something falling from 95 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:06.039 the trees. And it came from the same general area 96 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:08.639 as I was hearing something moving around on the hill 97 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.360 above me, so I wouldn't be a bit surprised if 98 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:13.639 there was one there. It was neat. It was a 99 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.719 lot of fun going there. I haven't been there. I 100 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.399 went to Bluff last year in September, I think it was, 101 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:20.160 or maybe the year before. Maybe it's been two years. 102 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:22.720 I don't remember. Two years ago, yeah, but I didn't 103 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.000 I didn't camp there. I camped at Laus Camp and 104 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.040 I went to the film site and all that other stuff. 105 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:28.879 And I didn't do either of those things this year. 106 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:30.480 I wish I did. I really wanted to get down 107 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.879 the Lauds, but I just enough time. The next morning, 108 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:35.480 after Bart heard the knox or the clacks or whatever 109 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:38.720 you want to call them, I woke up around six 110 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:40.480 or seven, I think, and it sort of gathered my 111 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.199 stuff and I was probably on the road heading out 112 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.959 by about eight or so something like that, maybe eight 113 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:48.720 thirty at the most. I had a chance to say 114 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:50.639 goodbye to Lighterman because he gets up at the crack 115 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:52.720 of dawn, and then, of course Bart was still asleep, 116 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.680 so I just bailed. But I drove into Willow Creek 117 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:58.959 that day and I met up with Eric, one of 118 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:02.920 the people who manages the museum down there. Super nice guy. 119 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.319 Hung out with him and we kind of went through 120 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:07.120 the museum a little bit and we talked about some 121 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:11.079 of the history. I corrected some of the placards that 122 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:13.480 they might have been mislabeled. He was asking me, well, 123 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.480 where's this cast right here? We just have a label 124 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:16.800 for it, and I said, oh, it's over here in 125 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:19.639 this exhibit. So they weren't missing as much as they thought. 126 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:21.680 We went through through some of the drawers, I started 127 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:25.360 piecing some things together opened so it kind of solves 128 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:29.879 some things and also opened other mysterious questions I think, like, 129 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:33.480 for example, the TIPMSS hand cast from nineteen eighty two, 130 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.120 I believe, I think it was October nineteen eighty two, 131 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.120 I remember right. I had a bunch of photographs courtesy 132 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:42.120 of Larry Lund that he had never seen before of 133 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:46.040 the casting of those prints that had various members from 134 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.680 the Bay area group with him. I think Archie Buckley 135 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:50.560 was there. I'm not sure if Warren Thompson was there 136 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.199 or George Haas was there. I think George Hass was 137 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.000 there as well, but I'm pretty sure Archie Buckley was 138 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.519 there because he's a very particular style and that was 139 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:01.759 him and photographs. He had never seen any of those 140 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:07.240 photographs before, and of great interests in those photographs is 141 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:12.240 after the casting, you see in case our listeners don't know, right, 142 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:14.319 and a lot of people actually don't know much about 143 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:18.560 this particular event. People probably know about the fifty eight 144 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.279 stuff that Bob Timmas casts. They may even know about 145 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:24.439 the fifty nine stuff in November fifty nine that he casts, 146 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.600 and certainly they know about the Patterson Gimlin casts that 147 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:29.839 he got at the site ten days after Roger and 148 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.079 Bob filmed the thing, and there were a couple other 149 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:35.839 events in there too. But Bob Timmos was very prolific, 150 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:39.399 and very few people know much about what he did 151 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:43.839 because Bob Timmos wrote virtually nothing about it. Whatever he 152 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.759 did write is written in his own handwriting with pencil 153 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:50.240 on the back of the footprint cast themselves, and those 154 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:52.519 are on display in the Willow Creek Museum, but they're 155 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.199 obviously displayed footprint side up, not the other way around, right, 156 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:58.279 So a lot of that information has never really been 157 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.680 seen before by the public. And of course he was 158 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.079 a very quiet guy. He didn't really look for attention. 159 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:08.680 He certainly wasn't in a purposeful influencer by any stretch 160 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.639 of the imagination, which is probably why he's so respected, 161 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:15.399 except for you know, there was obviously that cattiness between 162 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:17.399 the old time researchers and stuff, and a lot of 163 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:20.639 people tried to tear Bob Timmas down, unfortunately, and you 164 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:22.399 can read stories about that, mostly which are. 165 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:23.360 Fault a lot of people. 166 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.920 Some yeah, a couple, a couple. But in nineteen eighty two, 167 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.240 see Bob Timmis would go to Bluff Creek for about 168 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.959 a month every year around October, and he chose October 169 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:38.959 because not only was the Patterson Giblin film taken in October, 170 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.639 but is also the Jerry Cruse stuff was from October 171 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:47.800 as well. And of course Roger Patterson, on a trip 172 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:51.079 down to Bluff Creek in nineteen sixty three, cast footprints 173 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:53.439 at Lared Meadow in October. So October seemed to be 174 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.199 a very hot month in Bluff Creek. So Bob Timmis 175 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:59.399 would come down every month for about not every month 176 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.240 every year, for about a month during October and walked 177 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.199 the roads and looked for stuff and generally hang out. 178 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:05.439 You know. 179 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:07.720 One of these trips, and I think it was in 180 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:13.199 eighty two, he ran across a trackway up near Laired Meadow, 181 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.959 which is where Roger cast footprints in October nineteen sixty three, 182 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:20.439 and he followed them to a pond. And that pond 183 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:23.319 is still there, so virtually the only pond on Laired Mountain, 184 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.439 so it's easy to find, like the only man made 185 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:27.360 sort of pond. I'm pretty sure it's man made. It's 186 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:29.600 not very big, it's probably only about thirty feet by 187 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.879 twenty feet or something like that. And the sasquatch went 188 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.600 into the pond and there are footprints in the bottom 189 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:37.759 of the pond and the thing and it was like 190 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.440 moving like and basically here there were hand prints on 191 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.240 the bottom of the pond too. So what it was doing, 192 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:45.960 I don't know, maybe foraging for worms or who knows 193 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.000 what kind of food items you find in the bottom 194 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.879 of a silty pond, but it was doing it so 195 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:53.840 Bob Tipmos drained the pond. He called his buddies, they 196 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.559 came up, they got a pump, they drained the pond, 197 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:03.200 and Bob cast a handprint two, which is at that 198 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.559 time one of the only hand prints in existence. There's 199 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:08.120 quite a few more now, but at that time first. 200 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:10.840 Now it wasn't the first. Ivan Marx had the first 201 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:14.320 Prince in nineteen seventy, but Ivan Marx is associated with it. 202 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:16.960 Even though I think those prints are probably real, Ivan 203 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.399 Marx had some other things that were not real later on, 204 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:23.840 so everything he has done has been cast into doubt, unfortunately. 205 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.720 And then there was the knuckle prints from June nineteen 206 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:30.120 eighty two from Freeman. But really other than that, there 207 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:32.639 was virtually nothing, you know, as far as hand prints go, 208 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.039 actual cast at least, so he casts that. But he 209 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:39.600 also casts a number of footprints, and I believe the 210 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.240 Willow Creek Museum had I think they had six. I'm 211 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:47.519 pretty sure they had six of these things in their drawers. 212 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:50.799 But yet the photographs that Larry Lund gave to me 213 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.639 shows nine and say, oh, well, isn't that interesting? Where 214 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.600 are these other casts? And that's that's the story of 215 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:01.039 my life, right there having a photograph of something that 216 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.960 one cannot find in the data sets, Like, where are 217 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.240 these other casts? I'd really like to see them. And 218 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.080 you know, most most of the prints aren't that great, 219 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.799 but Bob was such a good tracker, and he was 220 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:13.000 so wise about these things that he would cast them 221 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:17.080 regardless of quality basically. But a couple of these casts 222 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:19.840 are actually really good. They show beautiful toes and really 223 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:23.000 interesting stuff, and then of course the handprint that goes 224 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.519 with it even makes it all the more interesting. So 225 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.360 I thought that was really neat. But yeah, so I'll 226 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.039 be working. I made good friends with Eric of course 227 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:32.799 when I was down there, the guy, you know, kind 228 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:37.440 of who's leading the Willow Creek Museum to some I mean, 229 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:39.519 I want to say leading it, but he's definitely a 230 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.039 force in the Willow Creek Museum. He's really interested in. 231 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.519 He's the motivator. I mean, he's the guy who make 232 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:45.840 things happened, for sure. 233 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.639 Yeah. Yeah, he's kind of like some young blood in there. 234 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.240 And there's a couple of people down there actually that 235 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:54.000 are doing some stuff, but he's he's a big, big motivator, 236 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.240 as you said. So yeah, so I hung out with 237 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.679 him and also what a treasure this was. He invited 238 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.200 Dave McCoy over to talk to me. I think you've 239 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:04.159 spoken to Dave, haven't you. 240 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:05.919 Bobs, Yeah, I got him recorded. 241 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.080 Actually yeah, oh, really cool. It'd be interesting to hear that. 242 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.519 I have about a forty five minute interview that I 243 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:14.799 did that I recorded with him. And yeah, Dave McCoy 244 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:18.080 is the son of Sil McCoy. Sil McCoy was a 245 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.399 bigfoot researcher back in the early sixties. He did a 246 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.240 lot of stuff with Bob Titmas. He lived down there 247 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.360 in the High and Palm area, is a logger, all 248 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.240 that sort of stuff. You know. He's just a man 249 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.879 of the woods down there, and he was present when 250 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:34.279 a lot of these famous casts were obtained, like the 251 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.480 High Im Palm Site A and Site B stuff from 252 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.960 nineteen sixty three from April. But there's a lot of 253 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.000 other stuff going on down there that he also had 254 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.399 an association with. He would go out and check out 255 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.559 other footprint fines and come back, oh that's nonsense, or 256 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:51.120 oh those are real, like cast a couple of them. 257 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:53.679 So yeah, I talked to Dave McCoy for forty five 258 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:55.960 minutes and recorded an interview with him, and it was 259 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.879 just a wonderful interview, and I've kept in touch with 260 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:03.960 Dave Simpson. He invited me next time I come down 261 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:05.840 to the area. He said he'd be happy to go 262 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:07.600 show me where some of the stuff happened. Go drive 263 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.360 around High and Palm and get a guided tour from 264 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:13.639 a McCloy. Oh, I'd be thrilled to do that, of course. Yeah, 265 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:15.559 Eric and I at the museum, we're talking about trying 266 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:19.000 to plan some sort of collaboration stuff between my museum 267 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.639 and the Willow Creek Museum. So there's a lot going 268 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:24.279 on there that a lot to look forward to as 269 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.559 things kind of slowly pan out in the dust settles 270 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:28.879 in my life here. So there's a lot going on 271 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:29.759 as usual. 272 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.080 Well, we got planned for this week. We don't have 273 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.320 a guess that we're just doing a response with the listeners. 274 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:37.720 Yeah, I was going to fill you in Bobo since 275 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:40.399 the last time, one of the last episodes that you 276 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:43.159 guys did together before we had some guests on, you 277 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:45.759 had talked about selling the trailer and I posted that 278 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.480 picture of you and the trailer and the feedback was 279 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:51.919 pretty overwhelming, and so I'm just digging into our comments here, 280 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:55.960 several people said, like our listener Bill said, I thought 281 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.039 it would look much worse from the way that Cliff 282 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.039 talked about it. Did is in and said the trailer 283 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.240 is a million times nicer looking that I was expecting. 284 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.519 That what I said clip with suring my deals that 285 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:08.919 it's had a bad about that, so that we might 286 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:10.440 have got some takers from the audience. 287 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.720 My fault did There were a lot of like condolences, like, 288 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:16.240 you know, Bobo, so sorry I had to part ways 289 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.559 with your trailer. Harry says, what's really funny is Francis said, 290 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:27.320 simply take me away with you, Bobo. Michelle says, are 291 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:32.879 you saying you had to part ways with her? Ought? 292 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:33.799 People understand. 293 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.559 Yeah, if we go over to uh Instagram here the 294 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.840 Spooks Creeps podcast said, always in our trailer hearts. Hollyboo 295 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.559 K says nice than I was expecting. So sorry to 296 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:44.919 see it. 297 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:48.399 Go, Bobo. Thank you. People understand how some simpthy It's 298 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:49.200 well deserved. 299 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.399 There was someone on Twitter. I didn't pull this one up, 300 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.799 but you know the picture is you and the trailer, 301 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.440 and someone on Twitter said, this is the most beautiful 302 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:02.559 thing these eyes have ever seen. So I responded and said, yeah, 303 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:03.799 but what did you think of the trailer? 304 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:06.320 I love it. 305 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:10.000 You will be missed Bobo's trailer. Oh my god, has 306 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:11.200 it finally left the building? 307 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:12.639 Literally? 308 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.360 So you know, listeners were really moved by that picture, 309 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:20.279 and you got a lot of sympathy and condolences for 310 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:23.679 the trailers being gone there. You know, I think Monkey 311 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:27.120 had a huge outpouring of love because she was so 312 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:28.840 well known and was on the TV. But I will 313 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:32.320 say I think the trailer definitely got more condolences than Sergio. 314 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:35.000 But you know, we didn't really see that many images 315 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:39.279 of Sergio unfortunately, so I don't think he quite instantiated 316 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.720 himself into the hearts of our listeners like the trailer did. 317 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:45.279 That trailer was stricken awesome. I was just lamenting to night. 318 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.279 I'm like, I'm going to regret that decision more than 319 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.440 anything else in my life. I'm sure getting rid of that. 320 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.320 That's a staggering statement. I mean I wanted to respond 321 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.720 to it, but I was still processing for seconds after 322 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.879 you said that that you will regret selling that trailer 323 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.320 more than you will re read anything else in your 324 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:02.120 entire life. 325 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:04.000 So far, so. 326 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.799 Far, Okay, Wow, because I've known you a long time 327 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:09.799 and I know that you have some very regrettable things 328 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:10.559 in your past. 329 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:17.440 Yeah, I mean we have a recurring segment about regrettable things, 330 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:20.720 but what storytime that's true. 331 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.840 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 332 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.159 Bobo will be right back after these messages. 333 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.480 We ended up tackling the Q and A the last 334 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.480 session because I'd already put all those together and had 335 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.840 all those in the queue when we found out that 336 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:43.159 you had some stuff to deal with and couldn't make it. 337 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.480 So we just had a roll with that. So I 338 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.080 did save a couple of the Bobo questions. So one 339 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.080 of the questions we had gotten was from a listener 340 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:55.080 named Justin Brown who was asking Cliff and I. He 341 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:57.639 called us the resonant nerds, and he was asking about 342 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:00.799 video game related things. But he did ask at the 343 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:04.039 end of his question, Bobo, what is the closest you've 344 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:06.159 ever been to being nerd adjacent? 345 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.600 We at the same time with Clip plenty of times. 346 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:13.960 That's pretty good. 347 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.320 But I've heard you offer up some pretty heated defenses 348 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.799 of like Lord of the Rings or some other things 349 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:21.279 that you're like, that's not nerd. 350 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:27.720 Yeah. Well, also, I would say that Lord of the 351 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:29.559 Rings there's a lot of whiggle room in there, you know, 352 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.440 like there's a lot of gray area. It's gradients. I 353 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:36.039 would say that I have certainly walked past the threshold 354 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:39.720 of nerdiness for Lord of the Rings. And Bobo is 355 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:43.000 more he really loves it, but I would say he's 356 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:47.240 more a casual fan isn't quite the right term because 357 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.120 of his love for it. But like Bobo, have you 358 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.840 read the Cimarillion? No, there you go. I think I 359 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:55.919 think that's probably a good. 360 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.279 That's someone like languages and all that in it, like 361 00:16:58.320 --> 00:16:59.919 how to translate languages. 362 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:01.919 And now now it's it's kind of like the Old 363 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.920 Testament in a way of Lord of the Rings. It's 364 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:10.759 the backstory, yea worldwide history and context of in which 365 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:12.960 the Lord of the Rings is set. So yeah, yeah, 366 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.680 like if you don't know what Gondolin is, yeah, you 367 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.119 might enjoy it. It's it's great, it's a wonderful book's. 368 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.640 Probably I love it. I just haven't read it. Yeah. 369 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:24.359 Yeah, it is a fantastic book. And it's not easy 370 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.599 to read. The language changes, it's much more formal and 371 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:29.599 like I said, kind of like it feels like reading 372 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.039 the Old Testament, where you know, the Lord of the 373 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.599 Rings is more narrative and there's dialogue and details and stuff, 374 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.400 whereas in some Maarillion they'll they'll mention a battle that 375 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:43.720 lasted for a year and a half and it'll be 376 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.400 a paragraph, you know, that sort of stuff. So but 377 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:49.039 but it is still it's probably my favorite Tolkien work, 378 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.039 so wherever that's worth. But I think that Bobo's love 379 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.920 for Lord of the Rings in Tolkien in general is 380 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.240 perhaps a little bit more casual, where I would say 381 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.920 I have definitely, you know, swam in the in the 382 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:06.200 pool of nerdiness as far as the Tolkien legendarium goes, 383 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:07.480 do you speak Elvin. 384 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.240 Or or or No? 385 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:11.359 I know a couple of words, but I wouldn't and 386 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:15.119 I would not say I speak it by any means. 387 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.480 On I definitely know. I'm not a tricky kind of 388 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:21.519 guy actually at all, really, so I do enjoy him, 389 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:22.960 but I'm not I can't say I'm into it. 390 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:27.559 So there are a few leftover written submissions from the 391 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:29.160 Q and a session that we did last time that 392 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.319 we didn't get too so I could I could pop 393 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:33.400 those in here because a couple of more finding Bigfoot 394 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.400 related So now that we have Clobo present, that would 395 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:36.759 be good. 396 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:40.960 Sure, sure, well here, I'll go ahead read this one. I'll 397 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:44.240 read the first one here. This was from Laura hey 398 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:49.319 Gens Laura from Australia. Here, longtime listener and longer time fan, Bobo. 399 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.799 I had to get my own gone squatch and truck 400 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:53.559 or cap when I saw you wearing it on Finding 401 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.599