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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Adventurers of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho.

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This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're

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going to bring you a new series, Counterspy. But first

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Great Detectives dot net. Now we're going to talk about

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Counterspy and even though particularly at the beginning, it might

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seem to be covering similar ground to Cloak and Dagger,

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but there are many big differences. Cloaken Dagger told tales

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inspired by true adventures of the OSS overseas counter spy,

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particularly at the beginning, told stories of American counter intelligence

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and the efforts to port the efforts of spies and

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Fifth columnists. By nature, these stories were fictional, since the

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US government wasn't about two all stories in the middle

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of the war about our counterintelligence effort because there were

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all sorts of risk in doing so. And you'd pick

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up some of that from some of the post war

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films that came out, Likehouse on ninety Second Street. In

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that film, it was portrayed that the US had tracked

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down the key to a Nazi spir ring, but found

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more valuable use of it to continue to use it

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to intercept true information and send some inaccurate information back

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to the Germans for as long as possible, and certainly

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there may have been some tricks that they picked up

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during the war that they weren't eager to share with

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radio audiences even after the war. Counterspy premiered at a

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time when fighting Fifth columnist and spies was almost the

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responsibility of every fictional character. Now, even before the war,

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there had been comic book characters like spy Smasher, but

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once the war was on, it seems like everybody took

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a crack at the Axis. You could find Axis fighters

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in the funny papers, would find them on the silver

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screen in cereals. You even had a lot of Barrymore's

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finally Mayor in the Mayor of the Town, having at

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least one and I think maybe multiple encounters with Axis Agents.

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You even had a Laurel and Hardy movie that involved

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them fighting Fifth Columnist and Counterspy easily could have just

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been one of those shows that aired during the war

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and then disappeared forever, but it actually had a pretty

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significant life on radio. It was the third series produced

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by Phillips Lord, who already had Gangbusters and Mister District

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Attorney under his belt. Counter Spy would actually remain on

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the air until nineteen fifty seven, not quite as long

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a run as Gangbusters, but a bit more than Mister

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District Attorney. In today's episode takes us close to the

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beginning of the series. This is actually the fourth episode

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of Counterspot. The original air a eighth June the eighth,

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nineteen forty two, and the title is sirse.

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Speaker 2: Lafem Washingham Calling Encounters by Washington, Calling Encounters by.

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Speaker 3: Washingham, Calling encounters by Countered by colleaging Honing Countered by Colle.

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Speaker 4: The Blue Network presents Philip H. Lord's Counterspy backing our

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Great Army and Navy at the front is our invisible

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Army of United States Counterspies who work quietly, effectively, and

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sweatly against the enemies in our midst They are the

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dread of the German Gestapo, the Italian Obra, and the

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Japanese Black Dragon. Imagine the eighth counter spy of them

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all as David Harding, especially, appointed with authority to work

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however or wherever he will. Three weeks ago in Washington,

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a very prominent bachelor by the name of William R.

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Terris stood in the center of his expensive apartment. The

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time eleven twenty five at night. A dim light burned

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on the little ebony side table. But the terrorist stood there.

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His face was ashen white.

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Speaker 3: Great beads of perspiration stood out on his forehead.

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Speaker 5: Gone, you'll betrayed your country. Go on, go on, pull

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up trigger, you cowared.

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Speaker 3: Go on, tell editor the hold of Prince for Mot

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just committed suicide in his living room. He left a

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note saying it was because of ill health. It's a

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clear cutcase of suicide. Restarting. You're the chief and lets

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you say, goes. But it's just the case of a

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wealthy bachelor in poor health. Oh, I admit, my William

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Terris probably did commit suicide. But remember this World War.

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The guest stop or experts at making a murder appear

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to be a suicide, then you're really going to investigate it.

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I think I will at least answer a few questions. Yes, sir.

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Now the no Terra's left, Mark said he was committing

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suicide because of ill health. I think I'll drop in

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on his doctor and see how bad his health really was.

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You would know, doctor, as mister Terrace was in poor health.

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I was shocked at his suicide, mister Harding.

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Speaker 6: From everything I know, mister Terrace was in perfect terror.

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Speaker 3: That's quite interesting. I think I'll go over to mister

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Terrace's bank and see if finances were worrying him. You know,

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mister Harding, mister Terrace's finances were in perfect conditions. He

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was worth nearly three quarter is of a Midian. He

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had many government bonds and securities. Mark. But a man

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commits suicide and it isn't his health, and it isn't financials,

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look for the woman's exactly. That's what I want you

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to do, Mark, Yes, sir, I'll pick six men cover

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Washington from head to foot and find out what woman

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William Tarris paid special attention to.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Johnnie, I've got completed that investigation. Man in question

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was spotless, described as congenial, jo friendly, but never recorded

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any particular woman was known to be very proper and

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old fashioned in ideas.

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Speaker 3: All right, Mark, that ends that lead. Meet me later.

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I'm going to take a long chance and visit the

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accounting firm which checked Terris's books.

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Speaker 8: Why, yes, mister Hardy, We've been there conference for mister

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Terras's firm for nine years.

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Speaker 3: I want you to go to mister Terris's office and

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get his office pat of appointments for the past year. Now,

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check that appointment list for lapses of time. Then check

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those dates against his personal checks and see what checks

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were made out during those periods of absences. This should

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tell us where mister Terris was during those absences.

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Speaker 9: Mister Harding, we went over mister Terras's office ted and

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found he was absent from his business during the past

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year on four different occasions a week at each time.

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Speaker 3: Jordan, Now, during those absences did he make out any checks.

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Speaker 9: His first absence corresponse to a check he made out

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at the Sanatoga Hotel, Statoga. During mister Terrace's second absence,

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he made out a check at the Clubhouse pine Hill,

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South Carolina. The third shape was made out at a Clubhouse, Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Fine than you. It is G six calling from Saratoga Springs.

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Man in questions spent week here in company.

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Speaker 10: Of women that complexion about thirty one, expensively dressed, unusually attractive.

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Speaker 3: Full report follows. Fine was a G eight reporting from

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Fine Hills, South Carolina. Man in question stay here accompanied

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by unknown woman in early thirties, most attractive, expensively gowned.

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Dark follows. This is beginning to get very interesting that

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you're HARDI Yet we may still be on a wild

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goose chase.

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Speaker 6: Mark.

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Speaker 3: We have no idea who that girl was. It may

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have been perfectly all right, but how can we ever

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find her? If you meet me anywhere? Why, here's a

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little something I dug up. April the second, William Terrace

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made out a check to the Washington Jewelry Company for

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eight thousand dollars. Hey, that's a pretty sizable amount for

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a bachelorly making out to send you a jewelry house.

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That's what I thought, Mark, I'm going to check that

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jewelry house. I wonder just what William Arrest bought with

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that eight thousand.

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Speaker 11: Dollars, mister tres for the solid jet diamond ring tennant

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one half terrace latinum setting a woman's ring. We have

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no record that he said whom he was buying it for.

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That is all.

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Speaker 3: Thank you well mart. Now we know that mister Terriff

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bought a ring for some woman. Who is she? Where

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is she? That's a tough question, mister Harding. Well, let's

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put two and two together and try to make five.

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Check all insurance companies, mark dear and see if within

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a few days after April the second, any woman insured

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a ring for approximately eight thousand dollars. Hey, that's clever reasoning.

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You win, Haiding, We're getting hot. Here's the insurance report

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April fifth, A solitarire diamond ring platinum setting was insured

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for eight thousand dollars by a Miss Avery Rollins of

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thirteen seventy Lincoln Boulevard, Northwest Washington. Rollins, Avery Rollin. That

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name's very familiar. She's high society. Mister Hardy lives with

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her uncle and dad. Huh. I got a report on

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her age thirty two, height, five feet five, light hair complexion,

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very social educated at the suborne paris above reproach. But

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the woman scene with William Terris, the resource was dark,

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dark hair. The weights are approximately the same, both apparently wealthy,

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both smart dressers. Mark, there's something wrong, something very wrong.

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It's a problem that's got to be approached from some

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unusual angle. Well, you have a very luxurious apartment here,

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Conna Reynolds. Thank you, mister Harding. I'm pretty proud of it,

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especially this library. Then I'm here to make a very

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unusual request, colonel. And you may know I'm a United

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States counter spy. Yes I do, now, Colonel, you knew

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William Terris personally? Didn't you know it was hissue side

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of Bonaphyte suicide, mister Harding, Well, if you're perfectly frank,

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Colonel Reynold, I don't know. That's why I've come to you.

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I need the aid of a citizen, colonel prominent, who

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has some government responsibility. You're forty eight, that's correct, a bachelor,

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a confirmed one. You're a very handsome man, ho come now, come, yes,

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and very fascinating to women. Now wait a minute, Oh,

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this is very serious business. Your chairman on the board

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for the new airplane formations an armor. Yeah, that makes

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you a very interesting person to certain other persons. Colonel,

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do you happen to know a Miss Avery Rollins a

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very gorgeous woman, but I've never happened to meet her.

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She's usually surrounded by any number of admirers. Well, I'm

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going to arrange for you to meet her, Colonel Renold.

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I'm going to ask you to make yourself just as

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interesting to her as possible. In fact, I'm going to

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ask you to try and make it even a constant

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attachment for a time. Huh oh, no, hiding, that's a

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little too much. I don't wish to get mixed up

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with women, Colonel Reynolds. You could be the principal factor

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in possibly exposing one of the most cunning spir rings

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in this company today. You don't think Avery Rowlins was

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in any way connected with Terrace's suicide. You don't think

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she's acting as a spy. That's what I want to

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find out, Colonel good Lord Totty. I've arranged with Lady

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Caston to give a formal ball next Friday evening. I've

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given her a list of guests she's to include. Miss

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Rowlands will be one, and I'd appreciate your being another

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and casually meeting her naturally, Robins Hiding. Under these circumstances,

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no man could refuse I thought you'd feel that way, sir. Now,

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if you meet her, please don't try to contact me

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in any way. Leave it up to me to find

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out what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: Three weeks later, martch twenty third, g.

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Speaker 7: Six, the Colonel boarded train at Washington after hour, was

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joined by a woman already on train.

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Speaker 12: She is of dark complexion, extensively dressed, very.

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Speaker 7: Attractive, black hair, hi to proximately five feet five.

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Speaker 3: Nickud reads, Bob Springs, not at all, that's strange. That's

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not the description of Aby rollins A.

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Speaker 7: Bruce sike Y PM.

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Speaker 10: The Colonel in question board the train at Washington. I

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would later joined woman already on train, dark complexion, extensively dress,

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very beautiful, landing, shotting weight pounds ticket re read the

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lad that Joya.

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Speaker 3: Who is meeting Colonel Reynolds on these trips? Did a

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very rollins or who is come in? He?

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Speaker 13: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Mark, Hello it darny. Just've got the facts on that

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dark girl who the meeting the colonel? Good? Why did

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you find out you were right? Sir? After the girls

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got off the train with the Colonel, I went to

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her compartment. They were unmistakable signs of dark colored powder,

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long hair, and black hair which showed at the end

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of the hair as if it had come out of

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a week. Now she must get on the train, get

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a compartment, and change your appearance before she comes down

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to meet the colonel. And it is a very rollam

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becuse she's been absent from Markington at the same time

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as the colonel has. She's probably explained to the colonel

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because of their prominent standing in Washington, she misdisguised herself. Then,

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the way I see it, Miss Avery Rollins must have

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been the mysterious dark woman with whom William Terris went

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off on trips before he was murdered, without a doubt,

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and she's connected with his murder in some manner. And

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I've got to make sure the Colonel isn't killed the

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same way. She's off now down in Virginia Beach with him.

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What a sun said, Avery, Beautiful.

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Speaker 13: I love to lie on the beach check all the

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others have gone in.

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Speaker 3: Look at those breakers on the sea.

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Speaker 13: John. Sometimes I see a look. Come over. You'll say

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a look of pain.

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Speaker 5: Anything cubbling you, Oh, dear something rarely you're worrying about

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your responsibilities, those your war plans or something.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think I am.

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Speaker 13: Oh I wish we didn't have to go back to

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Washington tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: We must, so I've got some important conferences here. Put

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these in your bag, will you agree. I'm afraid I'll

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lose them in the sand.

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Speaker 13: Oh, but wore I bring keys down to the beach.

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Speaker 3: I don't dare leave them in the hotel room. The

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flat one is the key to the secret cabinet in

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my library. It has the government plans we're drawing up.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, no, John, don't get me the keys. It's

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too big a responsibility.

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Speaker 3: Well, all right, i'll hide them next time under the

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rug at the hotel.

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Speaker 13: Let's go in the water. Come on, all right, I'll beat.

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Speaker 4: You to it.

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Speaker 12: Oh, you just try.

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Speaker 3: Oh I was looking for you, Harding. Well, Hello, Colonel Reynolds.

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Glad to see you sit down here now. I thought

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it might be better for us to meet openly at

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the hotel here, rather than me to go again to

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your apartment. A good many things have happened since we

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last talked, Todding. Yes, and you've proved yourself a veteran,

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a professional counter spy. Couldn't have done better anything the matter, Hanting, Well,

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I think the big moment here. It's now or never.

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What shall I do? I'd like to have you invite

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miss Rollins up to your apartment Tuesday night for a

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formal dinner, just you two'll right? You don't think, do you, Harding?

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Miss Rollins rarely is a spy, Yes, Colonel, I do.

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But I kept the key to my secret file where

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she could get it, called her attention to it, Harding,

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tell me the truth. You don't think Miss Rollins was

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the girl who was with Terras on those trips before

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he committed Sue side. Yes, his blood is on her hands, Colonel,

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and probably the blood of a dozen other men. Now,

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Tuesday night, after you've had dinner, I wish you'd go

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with her and your library Dan for coffee, but under

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no conditions, Colonel, drink the coffee. I'll casually drop in

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a little later. You intend to break her Tuesday night

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if I can, and I hope I can. With the matter, Colonel,

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why does a sheet? I'm all right? But can I

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get you something?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 3: What is it? Colonel? You can tell me? Hadding, I

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love her? You don't mean that? Yes, yes, I do

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mean it. I love her, Good heavens man, you can't

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but I do. I think she's innocent. She didn't try

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to copy the key, She's never tried to ask me

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questions about secret government affairs. But she's a murderous colonel,

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take my word for it. The blood of trast is

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on her. She double cross you in a second. And

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I didn't realize how lonely I've been. She's so clever, smart, beautiful,

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everything about her. I can't stand it. You're not thinking

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of doing what William Tarris did. No, No, not that.

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I guess I can see it through. I'm sorry, Colonel,

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terribly sorry. I guess there's no more to be said.

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He'll go through with it tomorrow night as planned. Yes,

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I remember, do not drink any coffee that's poored. I

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wish I could say something, Colonel Reynold. I feel for

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you from the bottom of my heart. This is bigger

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than you for me, I know, But still I think

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she's innocent. Some more champagne, Avery, please, John. And that's

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a stunning evening gown. It blends right with your skin.

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Speaker 6: Some more champagne for you, sir, Yes, and Marvin, yes, sir,

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Miss Avery and I will have our brandy and coffee

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in the library tonight, yes, sir, and I'd like to

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have you remain this evening.

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Speaker 3: Very good sir. Oh by the way, Avery, did you

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ever know William R.

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Speaker 14: Terris Terris Wendy, the man who committed suicide about four

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months ago.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I've seen him, but I never met him.

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Speaker 3: Oh awful thing, wasn't it.

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Speaker 13: I've heard some people say it wasn't suicide.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but you can't tell from rumors. Like the silverware.

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Speaker 5: You caught me looking at it, John, Yes, I do

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like him, everything about this place.

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Speaker 13: It's so tasteful.

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Speaker 3: I had thought I was perfectly contented, but now it

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all seems so insignificant. To have something really worthwhile, you've

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got to have someone to share it with.

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Speaker 14: I found the same thing to John Coach, nursing comrades,

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ship means more than anything.

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Speaker 3: Shall I have mortm serve the coffee and brandy in

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the library? Yes?

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Speaker 9: Do?

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Speaker 15: I let me help you o, But I'd rather sit

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on a die then with you.

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Speaker 3: Avery, you look like the most sophisticated woman in the world,

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like one of those gorgeous paintings, And then you will

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say something so tender.

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Speaker 13: But a woman should be a mystery to a man.

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Speaker 3: There, Avery, I know, but you don't know how much.

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Speaker 14: Yes I do, John, My heart's pitter pattering the same

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way it has been ever since that last trip.

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Speaker 13: Do you love me Avery, Yes, John, very deeply.

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Speaker 3: Avery.

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Speaker 6: Pardon me, sir. But mister Harding and his friend have

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caught Oh yes, yes, Martin, show them in.

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Speaker 13: Why did they have to come at just this moment?

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Speaker 3: Well, Harding's a very good friend. I guess he's just

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dropping in. No, we were just on the way to

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the club with what do we stop in? Colonel Hello Harding,

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glad to see you. Have you met missus Rollins? Hi,

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don't believe I've had that privilege. Good evening, Miss.

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Speaker 13: Rolin, good evening me to Hiding.

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Speaker 3: Mis Rollins is a friend of mine, Mister Mark.

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Speaker 13: Good evening to Monk.

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Speaker 3: It's a plight here, and Colonel Reynolds Mark, good evening,

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mister Monk. Won't you join us in the Brandon coffee? Oh?

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Thank you? We've just finished dinner. Sit down, gentlemen, and

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make yourselves come for the baker.

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Speaker 13: Oh why you men chat? I think I'll go and

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freshen up a bit. We just finished dinner, delicious dinner,

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Misto hiding, but fry chicken, and you know what that

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does to hand.

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Speaker 3: I've always maintained the only real place to really enjoy

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fried chicken within the bath.

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Speaker 13: You men chat and I'll be back in just a

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few moments.

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Speaker 3: If you an excuse me, Harding, it's all right to

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talk in front of mister Mors. Currently's the counterss by

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an active service hanting. It can't be true. She's too decent.

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I'm going crazy, Colonel Reynolds. I'm gonna have to be

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brutal tonight. Ordinarily I wouldn't operate this way, but I'm

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going to do everything I can to expose this right

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here in front of you. I believe I ought to you.

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Tell me, Harding, she's really one of your agents with you.

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Tell me that you suspected me and really did this

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so she could check on me. Tell me that he's

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my money. The only way, Colonel, is to let this unfold.

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How would you rank your butler? Please? Yes, yes, Harding?

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Is it the butler. You'll really have to tell me

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it's he him, not Avery, isn't it, Colonel. I know

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how upset you are. I sympathize, but I can't change

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the facts. I don't say anything for a minute. Did

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you ring for me, sir? I believe the Colonel wanted

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you to pour some brandy for me.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, thank you, sir.

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Speaker 3: This is a gun in your stomach. Don't moved quiet Plyace.

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Colonel cut his hands behind him. Mark tight, I've got him.

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Then he's the man your apps, not Avery. I believe

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he there without his wig. He looks more natural like

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it pictured your butler. Colonel reynolds his hair. Franz Beckman,

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one of the cleverest Austrian spy. I am not him.

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I do not know whom you are talking about, Colonel.

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When your butler was hurt by car six weeks ago,

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you might be interested to know it was a plot.

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The man at the wheel of the car which ran

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down your butler was this man standing here. He wanted

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to pose as a butler so we could get in

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your house. Here. We've been checking on him for weeks. Here,

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drink the coffee you served the colonel Gregg it now

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you don't like dope coffee? H Bergman, Please herding. Avery

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is coming back. Watch her when she comes in. I

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think she'll be pretty surprised.

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Speaker 13: It's something the matter in here? But is that your butler.

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Speaker 3: It has yes, Ms Rolin, we removed his wig hi

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or for the reason that he happens not to be

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a butler, but hair Franz Beckman, a very noted Austrian spy.

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Why he just spounds quite a cut.

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Speaker 13: Oh, I'm so glad you caught him.

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Speaker 3: Mark. Take Beckman over to the other side of the room.

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Come on, Hitler, I'll leave you. I don't know.

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Speaker 14: Oh John, you must feel terribly about this taking place

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in your apartment.

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Speaker 13: Do you take this? Brandy? You look like a goose?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Avery, Thanks Colonel Rynolds. I have

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a record i'd like to play for you. Would you

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mind my using your machine?

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Speaker 14: Ye?

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Speaker 3: No, no, The switch is right on the side of

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the radio line, and it's just a shard recording. And

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feel a little dizzy, eh, I guess I'll sit here

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by you. Avery.

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Speaker 13: Good. What kind of a record is it? Me to hiding?

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Speaker 3: What's the purpose of it? I believe it it'll be

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self explanatory. It was made last night there the lines

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were spoken rather softly at the time. But I'll turn

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on the full volume so we won't miss anything. Yeah, quick,

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get the camera in. I can't find anything but personal people.

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Speaker 16: They must be there, they Condo told me himself. He

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told him in the world taking his loudrary all right,

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But if.

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Speaker 6: We don't find them, you would just have to keep

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on playing.

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Speaker 16: Him old fool, I Sidney take everyone I get near,

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and I can't steal to touch him.

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Speaker 3: Plans for not hear.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I killed him must be there.

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Speaker 6: We have paid to night, but he probably put them

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in here tomorrow.

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Speaker 13: I hope tonight would be the lad.

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Speaker 16: Then I could break him and person to commit suicide

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that terror. If he won't, we'll claim his coffee.

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Speaker 12: Dog, I'll kill you.

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Speaker 6: You know what you'll say.

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Speaker 3: Fortunately, Colonel Reynolds, the plans weren't there, but if they

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had been, you wouldn't be alive tonight. She'd have worked

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on you. She'd gotten you to commit suicide, and.

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Speaker 13: I would make him kill himself, just like I made

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care kill him.

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Speaker 3: Don't talk. She'd have told you she'd gotten the plan,

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that you'd be disgraced. She'd have broken your heart. You'd

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have done what all the other men have done.

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Speaker 13: She's worked talking, and a loss is a stupid dog.

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Speaker 3: Donald. Her real name is Maurice Schmidt, so hungry, a

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paid spy, she goes to the biggest bidder. This woman

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is one of the cleverest, if not the cleverest paid

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woman spy in this country. And that bubber of yours,

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Bronz Beckman, is her husband. Take them all. He mark

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the other agents dropped the front hole. Yes, I'm sorry, Colonel,

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but I had to strip it all down before you,

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so you never have any doubt. I didn't know a

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person who could be hurt quite this much. You may

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have saved the lives, Colonel, of thousands of our boys,

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I hope. So come over here by the window for

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a minute. Were you gonna Why couldn't she have been

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what I hoped she was. Look at those marines swing along.

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You've done them and the boys like them a great service,

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Colonel Reynolds. No one will probably ever know about it,

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but you will, and I will. I'd opened the window.

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Well that's center thrill through.

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Speaker 4: It does.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm glad I was able to help parting. Every

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one of us has got to sacrifice some one way,

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some another. I guess this way is.

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Speaker 4: All over this country tonight has spread a great army

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of counterspies men working to protect you and our boys

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at the front. Special agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,

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of the Secret Service of the Treasury and state departments

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of the intelligence bureaus of the.

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Speaker 3: Army and the Navy.

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Speaker 4: Men who are constantly on the alert, diligently protecting our

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home front.

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Speaker 3: These men beg of you not to talk.

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Speaker 4: Concerning truth moves, armaments, defense plants, and wartime plans. There

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are many leeches, enemy agents just waiting to pounce on

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every little scrap of information so their experts can piece

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00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:15,160
it together into a big compact picture of our war efforts.

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Next Monday evening, counter Spy David Harding will be on

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the air. Tell your friends, invite them to listen in

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to these exciting, dramatized cases or trade weekly at this time.

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Counter Spy is a Philips h Lord production which has

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originated from New York.

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Speaker 3: This is the Blue Network.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, okay. I think as an introduction to the series.

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Even though it's not the first episode, it definitely does

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get you familiar with the concept, and the opening would

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remain pretty much the same even as the show evolved.

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The ability for David Harding to pick his own cases.

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It is a huge, huge, very dubious procedure to have

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in place. But that ability to have that flexibility about

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the case's poor trade is part of the reason that

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Counterspy lasted for so long. As we'll hear as we

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get further into the series here, it really does give

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him the latitude to give this thorough investigation when the

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police had just kind of been willing to go along

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with it being a suicide. Although I have to say,

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even a suicide that is somewhat coerced or that someone

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was manipulated into, I've never heard of anyone lying in

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their suicide note and telling such an and easily disproven lie,

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such as that you committed suicide due to poor health

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when your health was fine. I did think Harding had

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a good plan with the colonel, although I think we

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can look and say that it was a bit of

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a mistake to just leave the colonel to his own

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devices while he was going through this romantic relationship, and

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I did feel bad for him the way that it

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worked out. I did like the way that he came

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up with alternate explanations for his mission. It was not

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some total abandonment of all logic and reason, and some

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of the ideas he came up with would have actually

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been a really good twist, but alas it was not

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to be. And I did appreciate Hardinging trying to reassure

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him about it and again making the point that he

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had helped save lives. And I think it's the type

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of ending that would have particularly resonated during World War Two,

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as a lot of people face the reality that sometimes

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you don't get the happy ending, but if you can

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make a difference for your nation and the future of liberty,

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then you've done something worthwhile. It's not all about you.

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Listener comments and feedback now, and we have comments regarding

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the episode thirteen ru Madeleine with Humphrey Bogart and Itchi.

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Richie says, this is a great old movie with James Cagney,

529
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and thanks so much. I don't think I did mention

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that the original screen version that was adapted was with Cagney,

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but it was so appreciate that. And then have a

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really good comment from Mechanics sixty six when they were

533
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talking about Sharky going himself and getting caught. He said,

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I'll have my elk tab and with one bite, I'll

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be gone. So why was he taken alive? Well, that

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is a really good question. And this is a case

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where I have a strong preference for one hour adaptations

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of films as opposed to half hours, and you really

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00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,280
get a lot more chance to fill in the details.

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And in this case, when they adapted it down to

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half an hour, they left in a line, but they

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didn't really communicate why he didn't take the l tab.

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If you watch the film version, he has completed the

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mission he had in the film, but did not get away.

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And he was hidden in the brush and there was

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a gun that was just a few feet away from him,

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and he had the el tab out at one point

548
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when there were Nazi officers about, but the Nazi officers

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moved and he thought he had a chance of getting

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the gun. And if he can get the gun, that

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creates a lot of options for him to get away,

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to inflict more damage on the enemy, and Sharky, while

553
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,440
he's willing to take this if he's got no other choice,

554
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I think understandably, that's not his purpose. But he goes

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for the gun and is spotted before he can get

556
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it cleanly, and he ends up getting knocked out with

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the el tab in his hands, and that's actually pried

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away from his hands by the Germans. But again the

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radio version doesn't really make that clear. But that's what happened,

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and I hope that explanation helps all right. Well, now

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it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day,

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and I want to go ahead and thank Susie, Patreon

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more per month. Thank you so much for your support, Susie,

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episode of Counterspy, but join us back here on Tuesday

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you the next installment in the Tarzan serial. And of course,

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