1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. Welcome to 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,400 Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. That's your host, Tim Link, 3 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:15,080 and I'm so glad you're joining us today. We have 4 00:00:15,119 --> 00:00:18,839 a wonderful guest and a really interesting novel to talk about. 5 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:21,839 Of course, we're talking about author Sarah Driscoll and her 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,079 latest Deadly Trade that's part of the FBI K and 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,480 I novel series, and we want to talk to her 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,679 a little bit about the book and then the ins 9 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:34,320 and outs with that out, giving it all away, and 10 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:36,479 then of course we'll not talk to Sarah also about 11 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:39,560 writing in general, because she's a master at a craft 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,600 and wears many, many hats, so we want to pick 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,039 her brain a little bit about how she does all 14 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:47,200 that wonderful stuff. 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So I do want to talk about that, 37 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:07,799 but mostly I want to talk about the latest book, 38 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:10,159 which is called Deadly Trade, and it's part of the 39 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,120 FBI Ke nine series. So tell us a little bit 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,080 about without giving it all away, a little bit about 41 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:17,560 the book, maybe some of the characters in there, and 42 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:20,560 of course we've got a dog extraordinary in there, so 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,240 we know it's got to be a good book. The 44 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,319 dog's in there. 45 00:02:23,199 --> 00:02:26,599 Speaker 4: Absolutely, so the FBI canine series. Deadly Trade is actually 46 00:02:26,599 --> 00:02:29,680 the tenth book in the series, and the two main 47 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,039 protagus in the series are Meg Jennings and her search 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,719 and rescue black lab Hawk. And Meg has had a 49 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,639 past before as a sort of a patrol canine officer 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,479 with the Richmond Police Department, but when her dog was 51 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:47,120 shot and killed in the line of duty, she kind 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,719 of pulled back from the police department went back to 53 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,919 her parents' animill rescue in Virginia to kind of heal 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,719 and kind of recover from the loss of her previous partner. 55 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,680 And a sick little puppy gets tossed on their doorstep. 56 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,680 He's got parvovirus and he's on the verge of death, 57 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:07,520 and she helps nurse him back to health. And this 58 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,879 is Hawk, and so then she wants to stay in 59 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,120 law enforcement to an extent. She doesn't want to go 60 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:18,319 back to being a patrol handler, so she teaches Hawk 61 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,840 search and rescue skills, and so they become contracted by 62 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:25,680 the FBI and they join the Friends Like Friends, a 63 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:29,120 canine unit and the Human Scent Evidence Team to be specific. 64 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:33,280 So they are live fine scent dogs that are as 65 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,319 part of this team. And she's one of four dog 66 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,800 and handler teams. The other sort of main her main partner. 67 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,120 His name is Brian Foster, and he has a German 68 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:48,360 shepherd named Lacy and so, but there's two other dogs 69 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,560 as well. There is Rocco, who's a border Collie. There 70 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:55,960 is Theo who's a bloodhound. And so you know, sometimes 71 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,240 just you know, Meghan Hawker needed, Sometimes it's Megan Brian. 72 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,199 Sometimes it's all four dogs. The book that I'm currently writing, 73 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:04,319 which is the next one in the series, all four 74 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:07,599 dogs are on site. So these are live, fine dogs. 75 00:04:07,639 --> 00:04:11,039 They're looking for the lost or the injured. They respond 76 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,240 to that natural disasters. The third book in the series, 77 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,879 Storm Arising, there's a hurricane that they respond to. There's 78 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:21,560 a building collapse in the eighth book in the series 79 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,920 and that and it's in Washington, d C. So again, 80 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,279 all four dogs are you know, sort of first on 81 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,800 site in this case. In Deadly Trade. Meg meets a 82 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,959 firefighter in the very first book, in like right at 83 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,480 the beginning of the story, and they've just gotten married, 84 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,160 you know, at the end of book nine they get married, 85 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:41,399 so that's not really a spoiler at this point. So 86 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:44,240 they go to Hawaii for their honeymoon. Hawaii, of course, 87 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,600 is still FBI jurisdiction, and they spend the first week 88 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,519 sort of taking it easy, you know, being really relaxed 89 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,959 after the stress of the wedding and the previous case, 90 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:56,600 which had been in Colorado, which had been very stressful. 91 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,360 And of course they're out doing some hiking because they 92 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,839 want to sort of keep their you know, their healthy 93 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:05,639 lifestyle up, because they're all sort of hard working, working people, 94 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,720 and of course they have Hawk with them when they 95 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:13,040 are going through a remote fern forest and they run 96 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:16,759 across a bunch of wildlife traffickers. So the last half 97 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:20,560 of their honeymoon gets turned into you know, an FBI case. 98 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: Nice Well, I read through that, I thought, okay and good. 99 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,240 It's a great mystery. It's a great canine thing. We've 100 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,839 got great characters in there, we've got the dogs in there. 101 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,759 That's good. It's in Hawaii, probably my all time favorite place. 102 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,639 And then all of a sudden it just turns into 103 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,839 an FBI mystery. So my first inclination was like, ah, 104 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:41,639 those poor people. Then my second was, oh, I wonder 105 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:43,319 if they get to write that off as a business. 106 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,319 Speaker 4: Well, that is what happens, is that all of a sudden, 107 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:49,759 you know, the FBI picks up the last half of 108 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,560 their honeymoon stay and all the sud It did actually 109 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:54,800 kind of turn out to their advantage, although they did 110 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,639 not get the week off that they had planned. 111 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: There you go, So the bright side of it for sure. 112 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,959 Now the mystery itself, you know, and what they uncover. 113 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,600 Are there any unique things that pop up that readers 114 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,199 would either say, Okay, I'm sort of familiar with this location. 115 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,240 Is this plausible thing? Does it seem like, you know, 116 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,839 why didn't I see some people that were, you know, 117 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,319 doing poaching and doing all these things when I was 118 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:24,000 on the island. Where there any little unique things that 119 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,360 popped ups, like people would say, oh yeah or oh wow, 120 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:26,920 I didn't know. 121 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,319 Speaker 4: Well, part of it is just the remote locations. So 122 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,240 when I was planning this book, I was looking for 123 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:36,360 places where some of these birds would be found and 124 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:39,639 sort of best stepping back a bit for a larger picture, 125 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,480 why is the extinction capital of the world. They think 126 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,000 that they have lost more species than sort of the 127 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,600 rest of the world combined. Interesting, and so there is 128 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,600 an I you see an red list which you can 129 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:57,360 look up any of these species that are are going extinct, 130 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,079 and they have maps of all of their you know, 131 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,959 sort of remaining locations, and so you can sort of 132 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,160 layer these maps on top and find areas where you 133 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,079 could possibly find the remaining birds. And for some of 134 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,680 these birds, there's like only a thousand left and they 135 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,680 are only you know, there's only it's only on one 136 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:18,839 of the Hawaiian islands. If you're talking about the Hawaiian crow, 137 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:20,839 there's only about one hundred and twenty to one hundred 138 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:23,600 and fifty left, and they are all in captivity. They're 139 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:26,480 trying to reintroduce them. They've tried to reintroduce them back 140 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:28,439 on the Big Island and it didn't work because the 141 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,600 Hawaiian hawk, who is also you know, running towards the 142 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,240 extinct level, was picking them off. So they're going to 143 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:37,639 try and introduce them now on Maui, which does not 144 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,759 have the Hawaiian hawk, so they have hopes of bringing 145 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:44,040 the species back. But so the areas where you would 146 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,160 find these birds are not typical areas that would be 147 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,360 considered touristy sort of sight seeing spots. And when I 148 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:56,000 was planning this, I picked the putumaka Ala Natural Area reserve, 149 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,639 and on very short notice, my husband and I decided that, 150 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,959 you know, I decided that we needed to go, and 151 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:03,480 of course my husband's a good sport and he came 152 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:07,319 with me and we hiked that natural Area reserve and 153 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:11,560 it is just as overgrown and you know, remote as 154 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,040 sort of described in the book. So I think that's 155 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,319 part of it is the interesting you know, the interesting 156 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,199 thing is is sort of where these animals, where these birds, 157 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,399 are the threats that exist for them now that are 158 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:26,480 mostly introduced threats because you know, things come in on 159 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,319 boats that were never there and none of these species 160 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:33,799 have developed protection against. That's why there's been such a 161 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,039 problem with seabirds being you know, sort of losing their 162 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:42,320 habitats because people are building and then they have cats 163 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,240 and mongooses and rats, all of which are introduced on 164 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,200 the Hawaiian islands that are getting into their nests and 165 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,600 eating their young and killing the parent birds and stuff. 166 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:55,759 And that's when we get into the conservation dogs, which 167 00:08:55,799 --> 00:08:58,759 is really interesting in my mind. And because I'd been 168 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:01,840 so focused on lawn horseman canines, this wasn't a type 169 00:09:01,879 --> 00:09:04,919 of working canine that I was that familiar with. But 170 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,840 as I got more into the you know, the information 171 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,960 about them. They're really amazing dogs. And where most of 172 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,639 the dogs are you know, law enforcement dogs are trained 173 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:19,919 to either track people or to look for explosives or drugs. 174 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,000 These are dogs that are trained to look for a 175 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,600 specific kind of bird or animal so that they can 176 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,320 find nests and then the people the you know, the 177 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:33,960 conservation lists can build you know, sort of structures around 178 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,120 the nests so that the predators can't get into them, 179 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:40,559 and it saves you know, it saves the seabird eggs 180 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,120 and the seabirds themselves. So they're really amazing. 181 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: That's incredible. So for me, obviously, I always love this 182 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,720 because you know, from a novice, just a casual reader 183 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:52,279 or fan, you know, I'm not sure how much they 184 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,000 know about all the details. But there's a lot of 185 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,559 research going into this novel. You know, there's a lot 186 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,559 to know. And were you more in tune with you 187 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,320 knew some of this knowledge about the birds and some 188 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:05,879 they're going through extinction these type of things, and that 189 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:08,799 drove the storyline or was it more once you got 190 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:10,840 into the storyline. And of course she had to go 191 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:14,360 to Hawaii. That's an that was a given, but through 192 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,240 the research, then did you find out more about about 193 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:20,240 this situation, about the birds and extinction and the uniqueness 194 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:20,519 of it. 195 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,639 Speaker 4: Every book is planned differently, this particular book. It's funny 196 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:26,679 that there was a girlfriend who sent me an article 197 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:32,120 about the twenty twenty three Kilauea eruption, the volcanic eruption, 198 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,080 and I had just finished writing the ninth book sum 199 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:38,720 Its Edge. They'd just been married, and I was like, ooh, 200 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:44,320 volcanoes Hawaii. That's an FBI jurisdiction. So I actually, in 201 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,519 this case, the location came first, and then I had 202 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:50,240 to go back and figure out what the crime would be. 203 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:56,320 And the Hawaiian Islands actually are frustratingly low on federal crimes, 204 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,879 and it asked me a federal crime to fit into 205 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:02,840 the whole FBI jurisdiction thing. But then I kind of 206 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,639 got into, you know that one of the big problems 207 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,960 on the island is just you know, the rate of 208 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:12,159 extinction of many of the species, and trafficking is a 209 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,799 real problem. And I mean most people think of wildlife 210 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:19,279 trafficking as being rhinoceros horns in Africa, it can also 211 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,759 be lizards and hardwoods and birds and so if you know. 212 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:29,320 And for people who are into that kind of prize, 213 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,720 so to speak, the more rare it is, the better, 214 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:34,240 and they really don't care that they could be putting 215 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:35,240 a species at risk. 216 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:37,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't think about that aspect of it now. 217 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,799 And you're right, I think the diversity of what we 218 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:43,480 call domestic animals nowadays, you know, or some of the 219 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:47,120 animals should not be domesticated at all, but it's tending 220 00:11:47,159 --> 00:11:49,879 to trend in that direction, you know. Yes, you know, 221 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,120 we've got our dogs, we've got our cats, and if 222 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:54,080 we're on a ranch or have a farm, we have 223 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,399 horses these things. But a lot of the exotic animals 224 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,000 are real, especially for a younger group, if they can 225 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:03,720 afford it or are more in tune with that, that's 226 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:06,759 what they like. And like you said, they the rare 227 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:08,759 it is, the more people want it. 228 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 4: Which they see it as a collector's item, but it's god, 229 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:12,360 it's a living creature. 230 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: Exactly, and don't think of the long term ramifications of it. Yeah. 231 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,120 So I love the fact that you know, you've got 232 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,559 the framework of This is the tenth novel in the series, 233 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,639 so I know you know the characters and had the framework, 234 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,480 but I love the fact that you almost sort of 235 00:12:25,639 --> 00:12:27,799 I on say, backed into it, but you went in 236 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,919 a different direction. You know, you found the research and 237 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,039 did the research behind it and really delve it into 238 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,879 that and then figured out how you were going to 239 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:38,320 maneuver it back into what we know as the you know, 240 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,799 the FBI CA nine series. 241 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, and why was an interesting place too, because it 242 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,639 wasn't just the birds, it was the volcanoes. And I 243 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,759 have to admit, you know, I live in the Great 244 00:12:47,799 --> 00:12:51,080 Lakes Basin just outside of Toronto, so volcanoes are not 245 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:54,639 really even on our radar. And so that was the 246 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,559 other thing with this book was that I figured this 247 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:58,320 is going to be my one and only chance to 248 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,080 use that particular natural danger, which just because it just 249 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:05,799 you know, an eruption kind of starts coming in towards 250 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,080 the end of the book and it just ramps up 251 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,279 the risk to everybody involved at that moment. 252 00:13:10,519 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: I love that in Hawaii is such a unique place 253 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,320 to begin with in so many facets, and each of 254 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,480 the islands are unique. So it sounds like, you know, 255 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:20,879 you've got to make the eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth part 256 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:25,240 of the novel for the other Islands because you and 257 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,679 drag your husband along with. 258 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:29,279 Speaker 4: That's right, Yes, he's a very good sport. Actually the 259 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,320 eleventh the eleventh book takes place in Mammoth Cave National 260 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,639 Park in Kentucky, so late, you know, late summer, early fall. 261 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:40,519 He and I did some some caving trips as your 262 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,720 research for that, so you got to kind of get 263 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:43,360 your feet wet. 264 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:47,159 Speaker 1: Absolutely well. I know that area well, my family here 265 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:49,480 at each came from around that area. So we've been 266 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:52,919 the Mammoth Cave many, many, many times, so it's amazing. 267 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,519 It is an amazing place for sure. Yeah, all right, 268 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:57,399 we're gonna take a quick commercial break. We'll come back 269 00:13:57,399 --> 00:13:59,360 and talk to Sarah Drischoo a little bit more about 270 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,559 her latest book, Deadly Trade, and we they I want 271 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,840 to talk to her about her writing in general, So 272 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:06,799 everybody hang tight. We'll come back right after this commercial break. 273 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:14,879 You're listening to Animal Rights on a Life Radio, Real people, 274 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:16,120 real stories. 275 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 5: Our little dog developed this limp problem at the chemotherapy 276 00:14:19,559 --> 00:14:23,159 lasted for six months, started developing more lymph nose, so 277 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:25,559 I thought I'd just try carnivor. At the lymph nose 278 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,600 started to go down. Then I took him into the 279 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:29,399 vet to him and checked out and there was no 280 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,200 signs at all inside. My god had issues that developed 281 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,679 in his height. 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Now, Sarah, when you put together this book, 305 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,360 or maybe even the series in general, is there a 306 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,440 goal that you have when everybody picks up a copy 307 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,159 of Deadly Trade and they read through it, is there 308 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,000 something that you're thinking, I hope they get this out 309 00:15:57,039 --> 00:15:59,879 of the book, and if not, are there some surprise 310 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,639 sometimes you get from your fans? 311 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:03,399 Speaker 4: I mean to me, I guess the point of the 312 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,000 series is just I like to read books myself where 313 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,399 even when the rest of the world doesn't really seem 314 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,799 quite fair, you come out of it feeling like there's 315 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,240 been some emotional justice, so that you know, even when 316 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:19,159 bad stuff happens often to good people, there's hope that 317 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:21,799 you know, at least some justice will be found at 318 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:24,159 the other side of it. So that's kind of the 319 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,960 underlying theme that goes through all of the books. 320 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: Nice and I love how when we first started talking. 321 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,440 You know, I talk to a lot of authors. I'm 322 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,879 really blessed on this and a lot of them have wonderful, 323 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:38,440 great series of books that they write. And there's two 324 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:42,080 parts that always strike me as amazing. One is how 325 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,919 doy in world do you keep the characters straight from 326 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:48,200 one to the other? And two, I guess we're aa 327 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,679 plus one. How do you make sure you don't kill 328 00:16:50,679 --> 00:16:53,559 off one of the characters that people love? And you 329 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:55,799 never kill off the dogs, so I know that for sure. 330 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,320 And then with you when we first started talking, I 331 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,759 mean you rattled off in number eight we do this 332 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,879 and number nine we're doing that because I admittedly I 333 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:06,160 talked to some authors and they're like, uh, I hope 334 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,200 I got that right? Was that in number one or 335 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,200 was that in number three? When you know Harry bit 336 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,920 the dust? You know those things. So I guess the 337 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,400 question in general is how do you keep that sorted out? 338 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:20,480 How do you keep the characters reoccurring in fresh and 339 00:17:20,519 --> 00:17:22,759 how do you know not to kill off one of 340 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:24,519 the fan favorites. You're going to get a lot of 341 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,640 bad social media marks on it. 342 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,319 Speaker 4: We'll say, yeah, well, and you're right. I mean I've 343 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:31,480 had people email me before and saying you're not going 344 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:34,200 to kill the dogs, are you? I'm like, no, no, no, 345 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,000 none of the four main dogs are going to die 346 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:38,160 because I wouldn't be able to live with myself if 347 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,599 it was that. I guess my answer to how do 348 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,519 I keep it all organized is, and this is sort 349 00:17:43,519 --> 00:17:45,960 of like really sort of in the weeds technical stuff 350 00:17:46,039 --> 00:17:50,680 is I use Scrivener when I'm writing, and so each 351 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,839 book I do, I grab the last book scrivener wipe 352 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,559 out all the pros, but it's got all of the 353 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,640 character descriptions for each character. I've got a running list 354 00:18:01,759 --> 00:18:05,000 of what year and what time period each book is 355 00:18:05,559 --> 00:18:07,200 and that kind of thing. So that kind of helps 356 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:10,799 keep me organized. Because I also have, you know, a 357 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,039 five book series. Well I'll be starting the sixth book 358 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:17,559 on that one, in the NYPD Negotiators, So I do 359 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:20,400 the same thing with that too, because you know, I 360 00:18:20,519 --> 00:18:23,279 have a cast of characters there, and all of my 361 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:25,799 books seem to sort of take law enforcement from sort 362 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:28,880 of a side angle, Like it's not just the gumshoe 363 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,720 detective or that kind of thing. It's always law enforcement 364 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:35,640 that's not just sort of the mainstream so it's hostage 365 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,680 negotiation or it's you know, canine work. But each series 366 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:42,240 I like to write a group ensembles. So each series 367 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:46,039 has a fairly large cast of recurring characters and so 368 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:49,079 I mean that may seem kind of you know, brass 369 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,000 tacks kind of way to do it, but it really 370 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,519 make it really makes a big difference in you know, 371 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:55,839 in helping me keep things in line. And even if 372 00:18:55,839 --> 00:18:59,640 it's just something as simple as what weapon logan is 373 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,359 using the negotiators or what search and rescue knife she 374 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,640 carries as her general sort of equipment, Like, it's little 375 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,200 details like that that are really easy to forget. 376 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:11,839 Speaker 1: So that that helps. I love that. I love that, 377 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,279 you know, and that's a great tool to use. I 378 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:16,440 mean when I talk to authors about this, you know, 379 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,240 it's a matter of you get intimate with your characters, 380 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,400 and you know, they become part of your life. You 381 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,759 know who they are and what they do. So sort 382 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:26,079 of the what I wouldn't say the basic things, but 383 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,559 the surface things are to me at least, are easy 384 00:19:28,599 --> 00:19:31,240 to remember. But when you get down, like you said, 385 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,240 the specifics, like what knife was it, because I'm I'm 386 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,559 assuming she doesn't pull out her favorite knife and every 387 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,680 you know, it's not like every every time you write 388 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,480 a book, she's got to have this knife with her. 389 00:19:41,519 --> 00:19:41,680 You know. 390 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's some of her gear and you have 391 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,279 to assume she has it with her every time, but 392 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:48,920 she doesn't necessarily always need to use it exactly. 393 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: So to reflect back into your book number three, when 394 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,279 the last time she used it as an example, you know, 395 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,079 it's you have to have these tools to be able 396 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,359 to do that. And I love that. How do you 397 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,400 do that? It's great, And like you said, it's a 398 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,680 challenge because I you you brought up the NYPD Negotiators series, 399 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,559 So now you're juggling two. You've got ten in this series, 400 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:14,000 and NYPD Negotiator Series is number. 401 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:17,599 Speaker 4: I've number number five comes out in April and number 402 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,160 six will be the year after. 403 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: So you're juggling both of them. So then let's ask 404 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:24,319 let's go back to that. Then how do you do 405 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,359 that as a writer? I mean, obviously your editor saying, okay, 406 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,599 remember April first is the deadline. You got to get 407 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,720 your you got to get the last draft in. But 408 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:35,000 other than that, how do you keep one separated from 409 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,160 the other and end? From a writing standpoint? Are there 410 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,680 certain timelines like go, okay, I need to at least 411 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,519 spend four months with this book, or I need to 412 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,880 spend you know, three months starting this book. 413 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,039 Speaker 4: Well, the last couple of years. I've been writing three 414 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:50,319 books a year, so I only have about four months 415 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,519 to write each book start to finish, and that's while 416 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,799 i'm doing copy edits for the book before, or proof 417 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,680 pages for the book before that, or low lunching than 418 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,640 the you know, the book before that. So it's been 419 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:06,039 it's been a lot of overlap. So that's that's been 420 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:09,079 a little bit challenging. But as far as keeping keeping 421 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:11,599 them sort of separate, it was I found it hard. 422 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,400 I didn't just start into the Negotiator series until I 423 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,640 was about five books into the FBI kne Eyes, and 424 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,039 so for the first couple of years doing the Negotiators, 425 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:22,160 it was was kind of hard to sort of I'd 426 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,000 have to kind of go back and really review the 427 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:26,240 previous book or books to kind of get my head 428 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:29,319 back into that space. Now I'm lucky that I'm this 429 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:31,880 far in I can kind of just gear shift and 430 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,319 flip back to the other characters because they're now very 431 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,920 sort of rock solid in my head. 432 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: Very nice. Wow wow. Now going back to writing in general, Yeah, 433 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,680 I read your bio and you spent thirty years as 434 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,599 an infectious disease researcher. Is that right? Or in the 435 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,519 infectious I love that. First of all, you findly, you know, 436 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,599 you found your passion, took that leap of faith, and 437 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,799 you're doing fantastic, So kudos for you on all that. 438 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,039 But you know you're shifting gears in my mindset when 439 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:01,680 I read through your bio, It's okay, I'm spending all 440 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,519 this time in infectious research, but now I want to 441 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:08,920 write you know, K nine and n FIBD cop series stuff, 442 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,599 you know, negotiating stuff. How do you make that switch? 443 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,920 How did you take that leap of faith? How did 444 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,759 you know that? Did you wake up one day say 445 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,559 I'll screw it, I'm done with this. I'm going on 446 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:18,240 to the next thing. 447 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 4: Well, actually, I there's a series that I wrote before 448 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,359 those two series, which was The Abbot Lil Forensic Mysteries, 449 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,400 and that was kind of the gateway into the other ones. 450 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,440 That was more of a typical sort of shoegum detective 451 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:40,480 like that was Lee Abbott was or is a series. 452 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,759 Speaker 1: Is still out there, you better get it. 453 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,759 Speaker 4: It was a homicide detective with the Essex Police Department 454 00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:48,720 in Massachusetts, but she was working with a forensic anthropologist 455 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:51,880 and that was where the science aspect came in. So 456 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,160 that five book series is pretty heavy on the science, 457 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:59,720 and so that was kind of my introduction into you know, publishing, 458 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:02,519 but it was also it kind of balanced my love 459 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:04,960 of science with my love of writing. And then when 460 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,799 that series finished, it was just I dropped the science. 461 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:10,279 It just went into straight sort of law enforcement, but 462 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,880 again you know, through a sort of a side corridor, 463 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:16,960 you know, so not not just straight murders and stuff. 464 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: Right, And that's an amazing way to do it. You know, 465 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,680 It's you take what you know and write about it, 466 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,920 and then eventually you'll continue on with that knowledge, but 467 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,599 then start writing things that you are fascinated with. Because 468 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:29,640 I can tell from talking to you that you know, 469 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,400 you enjoyed digging into these stings. You enjoy going to 470 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,319 Mammoth Kak, Kentucky to investigate what that's all about. To 471 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,240 put that into the next book. 472 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean the research is part of the 473 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,279 fun for me. And maybe that's what came out of 474 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:45,359 the scientific research background, is that I like to sort 475 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,359 of get into stuff. As I said, like for Hawaii, 476 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,200 I didn't know about the birds, I didn't know about 477 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,480 the volcanoes, but I got into it. And so you 478 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:55,920 can learn an awful lot of stuff, you know, through 479 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,880 the Internet and through reading, and best still is, of course, 480 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,480 if you can manage it, is going to the actual sites. 481 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, I agree with that totally because the information's 482 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,119 out there. You know, you can go to the library 483 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,559 people still do library folks, so and pick up our 484 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:13,759 copy of our books when you're there, just in case. 485 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:16,759 But yeah, or go to the bookstore. That's even better, 486 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:18,759 pick up one there. But in any case, I digress. 487 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:21,680 But yeah, getting that opportunity to go there because it'd 488 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,759 be so easy for me. I would think about this 489 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,359 to write about what I know in the places I know, 490 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:30,000 but I would as a writer, would rather go to 491 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:33,039 places and have excuses to go to Hawaii and go 492 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:34,039 to Kentucky in these things. 493 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 4: That was one of the reasons why I wanted to 494 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,240 go to Hawaii is I'd been to Florida, in California 495 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,640 and the Bahamas, and none of those places are a 496 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,039 good substitute for Hawaii. It's it's a very it's a 497 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,359 very distinct climate, and you know, just the people there 498 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,480 are wonderful. I couldn't replace it by any of the 499 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,880 past places i'd gone, so I knew I really had 500 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,160 to go. 501 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Well, everybody go out 502 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,319 and pick up a copy of the book and pick 503 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,640 up the whole series while you're there. The latest is 504 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,680 Deadly Trade by Sarah Driscoll. It's part of the FBI 505 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:06,880 kN I novel series, and go ahead and get started 506 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,880 with all the other series as well while you're there. Sarah, 507 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,200 thanks so much for coming on the show. Congratulations on 508 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:17,960 another success story. I really enjoyed it thoroughly, and now 509 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,160 I need to get back to Hawaii. 510 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 4: That's it. I'm sorry if I put that bug in 511 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,920 your ear, but you know, thank you. It's definitely a 512 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,720 worthwhile trip. Thank you so much for having me. It's 513 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,599 been a fun conversation. 514 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: Oh my pleasure, My pleasure. And we'll make sure we 515 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:32,160 get your sites post at Sarah driscoll author dot com 516 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,000 and all the other wonderful social media sites keep track 517 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:38,079 of what Sarah's got going on, the latest, greatest, maybe 518 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:41,039 even sneaking appearance every once in a while to meet 519 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,039 her in person. So thanks again Sarah for coming on 520 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,680 the show. Everybody pick up a copy of the book 521 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,480 Deadly Trade by Sarah Driscoll. 522 00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 4: Thanks so much. 523 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: Well, we're coming to the end of the show today, 524 00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:53,119 I want to thank everyone for listening to Animal Rights 525 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,720 on pet Life Radio. I want to thank the producers 526 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,200 and sponsors for making this show possible. If you have 527 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,839 any questions, comments, or ideas for the show, or the 528 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:02,759 people you want to hear from most, drop us a 529 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:05,559 line you go to pet life radio dot com. 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