Speaker 1: So it came out today. This is like a kind
of evolving story. We're gonna see what happens with it. Bet,
Sergeant Rock is a DC film that they've been planning
to make. Oh, I gotta find out there was the
plots and offices that came out. I'll find it after
when you're talking. But so this film was supposed to
be shooting this summer, but now it depends who you asked.
There's and these are all as Tier scoopers. Some say, hey,
this thing's canceled, and then some people say no. This
has just been pushed to twenty twenty six, but obviously
a big push because.
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be shooting in just a few months.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: This was directed by Luca Guardanino. Today it was revealed
that we heard this rumor before, but Colin Farrell was
cast in it. Mike Fast was also faster faced. How
do you ever say that guy's name from Challengers?
Speaker 3: F face? I think faced?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: And then David Johnson, who was in that alien Romulus,
who's you know seen? I think he's a Golden Geeks
winner actually, so I think he.
Speaker 3: Went for supporting, right, I think we sounds right?
Speaker 2: I think that that sounds right. But yeah, so that
was the cast.
Speaker 1: But there's the mix of reports here where it's unclear
why the project has been shut down. All the insiders
said it could be due to scheduling out conflicts, needs
to be shooting outdoors. The insider said the project was
going not going away, but could be reassessed in the
year for the possible summer shoot in twenty twenty six,
which to me, I love that to even sound shady
of like, well, they could shoot in twenty twenty six,
but they're gonna reassess it at the end of the year.
It's like, well, are you shooting next year? Are you
reassessing if you're gonna shoot next year? That's already like
rocky terms. And then someone said another source raised the
possibility that Guanino has been untested in action movies and
even though the budget was a seventy million range that's
a paltry some for comic movies. Higher ups of way
or have wavered in their confident confidence in him, which
is true like challengers, call me by your name, some
other stuff like queer, like he's not directed anything of that.
Elk and I will try and find but it's something
to do with like they're looking for some spear that
killed Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: It was a really weird whoa. I'll find it here,
but obviously, Dylan.
Speaker 1: We start in an era where okay, James Gunn announces slate,
some stuff in that slate's either been like TBD or
it's kind of been delayed, and then this movie, which
I will give them credit, James Gunn and DC have
never ever officially announced.
Speaker 2: They've never thrown on a slate, never thrown a date.
Speaker 1: But they've talked about it because it leaked and scoopers
have got in their casting and stuff. They like to
not do official announcements till they're rolling and in production.
But this looks like a movie that I don't know.
It depends who you ask. I just am reading the
teal is that I don't know if this is gonna happen,
but maybe it just depends on Superman, and maybe if
Superman's a massive hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah you hit the roll decks going.
Speaker 1: But what do you take from this is you know,
we came from an era where DC had a lot
of heyda announce something. Oh it's canceled, and now I
don't know yeah, they were back in that dark times.
But it's definitely reminiscent of when we started Geek first
and what was happening with Geek with DC, and that
was kind of hope that wasn't gonna happen with James
Gunn's DC, Right, that's maybe gonna be a bit more
of a tight ship.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that's I don't want to repeat
myself too much, broken record and all that, but that's
kind of my repeating thing is like so much of
the DC right now feels like vaporware until we see
more of this stuff, and I obviously the Superman movie
is gonna be a big testing ground for that, but
even then, it's like, okay, if even if Superman does well, yes,
there's more money in WB's pockets, James Gunn's pockets, like
able to work on these next things. But it's like
the success of Superman does not mean that this movie
is going to be successful or the super successful.
Speaker 2: A great DC universe does not make you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like there's so many of these random freak show
characters that like know the general audience doesn't know about
and aren't just like you know, if you put Batman
or Superman on poster no matter what, that's gonna make
some money, whereas that's not the case for a lot
of these other characters like Arget Rock, Cooster Gold and
Sergeant Rock and the Authority and things like this. So
I don't know, well, but I do think a lot
of it right now is gonna you know, they're so
close to Superman at this point if things are up
in the air, and like, I feel like the focus
should be one hundred percent of making that movie perfect.
I'm sure James Gunn's attention is like one hundred percent
zooming and scoping on that. He's probably not spending any
time to think about Sergeant Rock right now. So that's
probably big what reason why you reassessed? And then Superman
comes out, it's out for a few months. He's probably
still focused on that, promoting that, doing interviews, and like,
you know, that takes a few months, and I don't
know by like okay, by the end of the year,
makes time makes sense for him to be like, Okay,
let's reassess this now. Maybe he's just so thrilled with
directing that movie he wants to direct something else and
he's just passionate about another thing. And this then Sergeant
Rock gets kicked down the ropes. Now he really wants
to do Booster Gole and you just never know, like
I don't I feel like he kind of just gotta
zone in on focus right now. And who knows how
much money they're being given with the saved wa we
mentioned minecraft huge and other things kind of bombing, So
it's it's it's tricky, it's always shifting.
Speaker 1: Here was the official plot of the movie. The film
would have falled. Sergeant Rock is team trying to find
the Spear of Destiny, the spear used to stab Jesus
shooting his crucifixion before the Nazis could find it, which
you know what, like that sounds very Indiana Jones like,
and that's right at my alley. Yeah, obviously this is
radar and would be like a bit.
Speaker 2: More out there.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, I because at first I
was like, I don't know if I need this. Hearing
that plums like, Okay, that sounds fun and wacky. But
I'm I'm of two minds of like both ways, right,
because I'm of a mind of yeah, that is a
good thing about I think what James Gunn is doing
with his universe so far that he said this before, like, hey,
if a script's not ready, we're not gonna shoot. Like
we still hear rumors just currently from Scoopers of like
the Avengers see our doomsday script is like not even
done and they're starting to film because they're still locking
down deals. Now Iron Man was the same thing. Their
script wasn't done they started shooting. But I like that
approach of guns saying, hey, if this is ready to go,
let's just like before we get on the wagon, let's
make sure all the wheels can at least work right,
because you don't want a solo situation where it's like
you pivot halfway through or you change just so Like,
I like that idea and the same thing, it's like
he has said that of course he wants us to
be connected, but he doesn't want it to feel like homework.
We'll see what happens. But that is the benefit where
he goes, hey, let's say Sargean Rock literally is just
a one off. You could be a DC fan or
non watch it. That's a good kind of relief, Like, yeah,
just delay it. If they feel like, let's say this
is a legitimate they all have agreed we're gonna make
this movie, but it's just not working with schedules, with
the set.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this slate does not have to shift at all
with that. Yeah, you can just drop that anywhere you
want on the timeline.
Speaker 2: And like you said, this isn't a Superman Batman where
it's not.
Speaker 1: That's why whatever it may be with like obviously there's
been a lot more rumors about Matt Reeves and like
certain health things and stuff. But that's where that movie
gets so much traction because that's Batman. Right in a
couple of months, there's not gonna be this fever of man.
Where is Sergeant Rock? Why have they not updated? It's like, okay, cool,
they're making that. So that's like the pro side of
me of hey, this means not whatever reason it's not working,
let's just kick it and we'll come back to it
next year and if it works great, and that that
to me is fantastic. The bad side is like, yeah,
is it? Just is it?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: They have this whole idea and it's like, you know what,
we this was a bad idea. Let's not actually do
this movie now. I still think that's a good idea
to pull the ripcord before you start production. But they
still paid people to write those scripts. They still paid
Luca to you know, like for meetings everything. They still
talk to talent. And that's where it's like, is that
a DC Studio saying where they're feeling unconfident?
Speaker 2: Is that a warmbo sing?
Speaker 1: It's like the same thing, right that report of oh
some sort of said they were unconfident about Luca directing.
Speaker 2: The size of a movie. Who is that?
Speaker 1: Is that Gun and his team or is that Warner Brothers,
Because then if it's Warner Brothers, that's a bigger problem
because one off, James Gun's all gung ho.
Speaker 2: No pun intended on this.
Speaker 1: But the Warner Brothers high ups is like, you know what,
we know you're the president of DC Studios, but we'd really.
Speaker 2: Like you not to make this movie. Actually, like we're
not calling.
Speaker 1: And that's where it's like, well, then you're not even
DC Studios at that point, you're just like the same
as before. We're like entitle, yeah, I run DC, but
not really if you have like whoever it is fucking
Zaslov or somebody being like, no, don't make this movie.
Speaker 2: So that's where it's like that.
Speaker 3: If you don't have Zaslov feeding you budget, what are
you gonna do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. So there's everything.
Speaker 1: There's like pros and cons with it and I and
the same thing too. The pro of hey, seventy million,
that's great for a superhero project. That's like, I respect
that he's trying to do something different, get someone like
Luca's very talented. And if that was a predicted budget
of seventy that's great, much more success rate possible. But
like you just talked about it, and I just thought
about Mickey seventeen that had a you know, high budget
for Bong gen Hole. But if you were to compare
to comic movies a lower budget and that you know,
was considered like a lost some money, right, So to me,
even at seventy million, I might be able to look
you in the face and like, like I would hate
to have to side with David Zaslov forever, but I
could be like, I don't know if Sergeant Rock is
the play here, because I think the comic genre is
already h if enough, I know people would say, oh,
they might market it as not a comic movie. I
just like, what's the last war movie that was like
a huge box office blow up, you know, and even
Anya Jones.
Speaker 3: Jones definitely did not fulfill that Oh.
Speaker 2: My god, something something happened in my throat.
Speaker 1: But as what I mean of like that, it's a
great idea to go, Okay, we're gonna keep this low budget,
but even at seventy million, it could be a flat
for them, right, So it has, it has. Yeah, it's
always been a weird one for me. I Like I said,
I like that plot, but I just I'm also got
it's not too much into war movies, but this sounded
less like a war movie.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. But to me, if it's you know,
a GV guy.
Speaker 1: In my head, I've won of the lotteries this gonna happen.
If I were to pizza about this, I don't think
this movie happens. I think this is even if Superman's
a hit, can I feel like then so might argument argue.
Speaker 2: Of why are we gonna make a Sergeant Rock movie?
Speaker 1: Like I'd rather just put that seventy million towards Superman
two or whatever the next Batman is or whoever the
next Wonder Woman is, you know, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that like if if he
is supposed to be like a one off character, and yeah,
maybe it starts out that way and then once you've
introduced him, maybe then he crosses over with someone. But
like you probably want to focus early on on like
the brands that people associate with DC and are gonna
rise that like stock in DC and the interest there,
and even not even if it's like crossover stuff, but
just like the people that, like I would not we've
we've talked about this movie a lot, like a couple
months from I'll probably forget that Sergeant Rock is a
DC thing at all, right, because it just like even
that plot you gave me does not sound like DC whatsoever.
So I feel like their money is better spent right now,
like really reinforcing that strong foundation instead of doing like
the weird stuff like do that later on when you're
established and you have like a steady, uh stream of
cash Like that seems like a little bit risky to
do that so early on, And I know there's other
things coming out before then and now, but I think
it's a great idea to kick that down the road
a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even then, in these reports, it was it
came out that Clay Face is like still on track
to shoot as right now, of course, right, but like
as right now, it's on track to shoot October first.
That that's start Todd And that's what it's like. I
still know how I feel about a clay Face movie.
But if you're sitting down and be like, hey, we're
gonna make clay Face same thing, lower budget, it's gonna
be a horror film, which I think has a better
strike zone. Sounds like it's gonna be similar to the
substance in the sense of like it's a bad comparison
because the clay Face story from the Batman handmade series
is literally the substance for the substance, but just that
idea to pitch it to people. And then even then
it's a Batman adjacent character. Right, you can use Gotham,
you can use a bat signal.
Speaker 2: Or Sergeant Rock like the yeah now so yeah, like
like Sergeant Rock, of course you could.
Speaker 1: It's like maybe something DC related, but but with something
with clay Face, Like I feel like that's.
Speaker 2: Your your better bet, right, and uh, you know what
we'll see.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's I'm so curious for both Marvel
and DC. I'm so curious on Fantastic Four, and I'm
so curious on Superman because I think both the company's trajectories.
Speaker 2: Change a lot after those two moves.
Speaker 1: He's better or worse, because even if they got Avengers
coming out from Marvel, it's like if F four underperforms,
that I feel like is a blow because I feel.
Speaker 2: Like they're looking at it.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this is a big temple for us
the next decade, right, And if it comes out and
it's like very lackluster money wise.
Speaker 2: Same thing as Superman.
Speaker 1: If this is the kick off of the universe and
it's lackluster, it's like, well, what do we do from here?
Speaker 3: Don't don't forget Creature command though, I mean you can
come on. That's kicking off the universe.
Speaker 2: I never finished it, so I always so yeah, it's
not bad.
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I I wasn't gripped. I was likely
with Flea Bag it was. It wasn't it wasn't gripped
for me to come back.
Speaker 3: I will finish it though, maybe you'll come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah season two though, yeah, fourth breaks crazy, I'll finish
for Superman and hey, Stargy Rock he was in that
Creature Commando, soy they yeah, like I think they Yeah,
they were trying. I think they planned too, and maybe
they still planned to again. Maybe maybe this is all
just a cart before the horror situation. Superman comes out
kills it and they're like, yeah, go make your Sergeant
Rock movie, like you're you're good to go, Like all
takes his one win and maybe his as off is like, yeah,
J gonna trust you with whatever you want to do
and until you have a massive bomb, the floor is yours.
So and I hope because I like this stuff, even
if I don't love Superman, I would like it to
be successful because I don't want another decade of DC
just on their ass be and memes.
Speaker 2: You know, I can grow with this stuff. And it's just.
Speaker 1: Like wrestling or sports, Like if DC is good or
killing it, that'll have to make Marvel be good and
kill it because if it's just a monopoly and oh
Marvel's the top brand, very easy for them to phone
it in and.
Speaker 2: Not make good choices.
Speaker 1: Right, But if you get to a situation where you
start to have people talk, oh yeah, DC's the new
king of the block, I think that motivates people like
Figy and everybody like hey, we gotta you know, we
gotta change that narrative a little bit, like what do
we what we got cooking?
Speaker 2: You know, let's let George Miller do that Thor movie.
Speaker 3: You know, So do you do you think what we
will ever get? Live action? Justice League versus Avengers ever?
Yea like Marvel DC, Like Marvel and DC both in
the dumps, numbers garbage. Yes, they hit that red button crossover.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if you and I
are alive for it, but I think it happens.
Speaker 3: Oh really, Okay, Yeah, I think I'm alive for it,
you hope. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the.
Speaker 3: Tonight definitely not Yeah, Taylor, he'll be alive and well
drinking that rock water, that Sergeant rock water.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, but no, I think will happen.
Speaker 1: I've always pitched that if that's what will happen is
when the superhero genre is like dead dead and they
try to revitalize, what can they do?
Speaker 2: Well, let's get together, because.
Speaker 1: It's happened for like Sony, Like I know it's for
a Marvel ip but still Sony and Disney had to
sit down and work together share a character, right, like
it's the same situation. You guys sit down and work
together and share characters and share money and what whatnot, and.
Speaker 2: You know, kem Fight and James Gunn. That could be
the chance. But I think I think that's.
Speaker 3: I feel like we should bread and butter that like,
what would that look like?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'd be down. That'd be a good time.
Speaker 1: Maybe july'd be good, bretn beer, because we'll have that
F four and Superman coming out, so we can kind
of time with the hype of those two movies. But
I think at least minimum thirty years though, that's what.
Speaker 3: I think that I could see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you gotta because you gotta help. Because
here's the thing.
Speaker 1: If SUPERMANO is bad, I do think there is a
universe where either Warner better selles DC or unfortunately it's
like a video game thing where they start to rent
out these characters to multiple studios.
Speaker 2: And if the DC universe never.
Speaker 1: Works, because then the mainstream just won't even care about
Justice League, that won't mean anything to him because.
Speaker 3: They never had any Batman go like public domain soon
or something weird like that.
Speaker 1: Just the first year of issues, just the first So
there's certain things you can do and can't do.
Speaker 2: Like you can't even use the Alfred character because he
wasn't around in there. Technically, Batman in the face.
Speaker 3: You could do a character named Wilfred who has a
similar role.
Speaker 2: You could.
Speaker 1: And just because I've been looking into it for no
particular reason studying it, you Batman set in New York
in the first two years, it's not even Gotham, so
you can't say Gotham.
Speaker 2: So there's certain things you can and can't do.
Speaker 1: Same thing as like the first year it's in public domain,
you can't use Joker, but in the second year you
can use Joker because he goes.
Speaker 3: On he's the best villain from year one.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's tough.
Speaker 1: I have extensive notes for like I said, no reason whatsoever.
Speaker 3: But hang on, I go Sergeant Rock is our best villain.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, uh no, there's someone named doctor
Death so very.
Speaker 3: That sounds good. I'm in, so let's do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some other people too. Oh man, I was
trying to find the surprise.
Speaker 3: James Gunn hasn't I assume he has already, you know,
implemented a character that's one of these OG's. I feel
like he's that kind of guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe won't give a public domain. So he's like, oh,
anybody can use this one now, you know.
Speaker 3: So oh, it just doesn't make a Batman movie ever.
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, we're done. Yeah, but again it's it's very
limited the stuff they can. Like there's some sort of
like Bigfoot creature, so.
Speaker 3: Like, can you even use like the batmobile and thing?
Is that like part of the original.
Speaker 2: Uh it's just a car.
Speaker 3: Okay, this sounds really bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: I'm excited for the movies though that people that fans make.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some fun stuff to still still do that.
You have the cautumetly same thing. It's only a specific
sort of the costume there. But uh, you know, I digress.
Speaker 3: Not black and yellow. He's like, you know, purple and
green or something weird, like he used the original Joker colors.
Speaker 2: He's like, he's like blue, black and gray.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes he's had the purple gloves, which I'm
a big fan of.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I like the purple gloves. So yeah, you know,
I'm a big fan of.
Speaker 1: Sometimes trailers well, actually, let's take an ad break and
then we all these trailers.
Speaker 2: Last topics I'll be right back alright. So now we're back, okay.