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Speaker 1: So there's this political story about the homeless industrial complex,

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and then there's this this personage, this entity called Jesus,

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and there is a struggle between the homeless industrial complex

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and Jesus. And then there's this nature of humanity and

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how we change and what does it take to actually change.

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I'm gonna be joined by my friend Cameron Burke's a

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founder and CEO of Absolute Ministries, and we're gonna learn

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all about this with the help of bulwer kepl Management,

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Know Your riskpodcast dot com and of course courtesy of

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God Almighty.

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Speaker 2: But Todd Herman Show is one percent disapproved by big

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pharma technocrats in tyrone sebrianware from the high mountains of

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Free America. Here's the Emerald City exime.

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Speaker 1: Todd Herman. Today is the day the Lord has made,

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and these are the times in which God is this.

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Do we shall live? People joining us live. Sorry for

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the early starts, We just wanted to get an early start, cameer.

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Burke joins me. It's my tradition to shake hands, even

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though that's bad staging, et cetera. And welcome to the

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Todd Herman Show. CEO, founder of Absolute Ministries. You help

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people you said this is the other day someone said

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what do you do? You had the very best answer,

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So I'm gonna ask you what do you do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I appreciate being here. Thanks a bunch, Todd. We

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teach people how to live. We teach people how to live,

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and that's what it boils down to. Individuals don't know

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how to live. And we started with the people group

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coming out of addiction and specifically in recovery. But we're

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discovering more and more that this individuals that don't know

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how to live is expanding. It's more and more people.

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Speaker 1: So it's not just addiction based anymore.

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Speaker 3: No, individuals can come to us if they're teachable and

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want to learn to live in a new way. Yeah,

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ultimately following Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and that's obviously part of the living. I mean,

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that's the only really living attached to the mind. But

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you had a entry point into this and into helping

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people this way. That matters because I think it's the

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heart of the mission. So can we talk about this,

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this the trail you walked, Yeah, because it was a

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straight and easy path, right right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I was gonna say that's generous. Yeah, learning to

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live in a new way for me came with very

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rocky road at the beginning. And at sixteen years old,

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I got diagnosed with type one diabetes and I heard

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the doctors say in that clinic, your life is over.

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That's not what they said, That's what I heard. As

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the sixteen year realized that's right, and the you know,

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my freedom, you know was gone. You have to live

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with this medication. You can't do what you want to

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do anymore. This new structure has to be put on

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your life. And that just sent me into a tailspin.

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So the living the peer pressure that I had abstained from,

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I was like, well, screw it, let's just go right.

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Life's over, so send it. And that was a quick, fast,

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dark road, ultimately culminating in a cocaine and alcohol addiction

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and burned a lot of bridges and a lot of

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people and heard a lot of people hurt myself or

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my family.

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Speaker 1: Can you U still remember what it's like to be

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addicted to a substance. I knew a friend who was

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a coke addict who said, cocaine loves you so much

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that you can't imagine anything loving you anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say that's accurate. Yeah, I mean, the euphoria

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is ridiculous. That's why it's so deep and so fast.

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It's intoxicating. And I mean I've boiled addiction down to

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the pursuit of pleasure. No'm otter of the cost. Yeah,

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and when you think about that, that is, you know,

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that's a great encapsulation. I have not seen an individual

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that's truly addicted to something who's not throwing everything else

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to the wind in the pursuit of it.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And so we watch individuals go down that road and

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we all do as society, right, and we see him

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homeless on the street. Obviously there a lot of times

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there's mental health components too.

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Speaker 1: That could be driven by addiction.

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Speaker 3: First. Yes, And one of the best t shirts I've

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ever seen about addiction and it was a recovery ministry

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that put it out. But it said, you know, it's

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based on the Prodigal Sun's story and it said party

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till you're homeless. And I mean, that's what that guy did,

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That's what I did. That's what a lot of people do.

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and god, you know, I didn't party. Uh. I went

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through a period of time where I drank a ton.

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I lived in a studio apartment in the ghetto. We're

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not supposed to say that, but very common to hear gunshots,

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drive by shooting occur. There's a dude dead in our

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elevator who's a strange dad of a little boy. And

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so I lived around.

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Speaker 3: People like that.

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Speaker 1: I worked with folks who were homeless, employing them to

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do door hangers and deliver phone books, et cetera. And

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I got to know some people and they taught me

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some things about homelessness that always just frightened me, like

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poverty scared me. So I think it kept away from

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some things I want expanded this. In a second, we're

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talking with Cameron Burke and Absolute Ministries. We have a

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link in the show that's there donation based and it's

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not an organization that's getting rich doing this, so we'll

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talk about that. A second, Chemist is talking about healthcare.

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Over the weekend, I talked to one of my dearest friends,

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and I don't understand the reluctance people have to simply

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go try something new. This is he's a smart man

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and he has immunological issues that are just crippling them.

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When I'd last talked with the folks at Renew Healthcare,

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they were telling me about their ability to reset immune

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systems using the stem cells they get from donors in Mexico.

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They get to actually monitor the health of the woman

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and the baby during pregnancy, and afterwards they take those

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stem cells. They gently carry them all of five minutes

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if that, into a world class lab, one step below

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like in a bowl lab. It's a class four lab,

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not class five. They reject ninety percent of the stem

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cells because they don't match their quality standards. So the

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ten percent they do accept, they they then culture. That

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is the exact opposite of what happens in the United States.

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You're gonna get told you get stem cells up here.

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It's very much like the difference between a five Star

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meal and something frozen burrito style at a roadside deli.

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They are resetting immune systems. They are now about five

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months away from announcing a cure for type two diabetes,

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and they think can cure type one. So if you

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have any immunological issues like this, or even things like

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rectiled dysfunction, avoiding surgery for knees and backs go to

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renew r E and you E dot healthcare. Please tell

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me you're part of the Todd Hermit Show family. Renew

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r E NU E dot Healthcare. So you went through

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your dark periods and you crashed and you experienced all that,

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and then people are always going to ask, Okay, so

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how did you win the lottery to get where you're

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at now? That shared the CEO of this thing? And

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which billionaire came along and lifted you up and handed

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you money?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that did not happen. Okay, Uh, yeah, still waiting

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for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I came to the end of myself although I wasn't Uh,

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I wasn't asking for it. My transformation happened because my

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parents quit enabling me. They actually my dad was distraught,

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as you can imagine, and he asked his brother, who's

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a pastor. You know, Cameron's destroying himself, like his life

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is a dumpster fire, you know, I regularly refer to

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it as that, and he told him about a one

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year program, and so they took me there. I looked

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at it, I did a walk through. I was not interested.

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I was smoking a cigarette in the front yard and

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you know, the director had done a done an interview

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with me, and he said, so, what do you want

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to do? And I said, not this, like this is insane.

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you know, God's grace through that facility. And I said,

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this is nuts, Like, you know, the free I don't

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have freedom anymore. I don't have the ability to do

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what I want day to day. Like now I'm out

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of here. And I stood up, walked into the front

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yard and my dad said, like, I'm cutting you off,

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like you're you're cut off basically, if.

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Speaker 1: You know no money, this is it. That's it.

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Speaker 3: And I just began to consider my life and I

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think this is the grace of God in this moment.

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look like if I just fully committed to this and

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just and I pictured myself on the edge of a

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swimming pool just jumping in, you know, not dipping my

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feet in, but just fully jumping in. And that's when

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things changed for me. And actually God spoke to me

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in that moment. It wasn't out loud, but it was

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crystal clear in my heart. First time I'd ever heard

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God like it had shocked me, surprised me. And he said, Cameron,

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give me this year of your life and watch what

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I'll do. And you know he said that, yeah, and

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so I did, Yeah, signed up. I think it shocked

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my parents. I turned and looked at him and I said, Okay,

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I'll do it, and they were like, let's go back

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in the office.

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Speaker 1: Sign sign up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was there thirteen months as a student

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Speaker 3: And yeah, that was two thousand and three.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty two years later, founder and CEO, and you

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have facilities in North Idaho. You have facilities in western Washington.

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about bringing people, you know, into this. I'm referring a

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friend of mine to you, friend that I've mentored and

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you know, just become friends with with the mentoring process

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and you know that change. This is what I was

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talking about the top of the show, that there's the

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Jesus way that you're describing, because Jesus definitely showed people

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how to live right and that three years of ministry

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here's how I live, Here's how I want you to live.

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then where I spent a ton of time around homeless

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people was in Seattle, and man, they are big money, Cameron,

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they are just walking coin. So there's a reason that

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these big cities and these fallen cities and separate countries

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like Seattle, Washington, they suck these people in. There's a reason.

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They want free you know, cost free heroin. They want

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to provide fetanol the people. They call it harm reduction.

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Every one of those bodies they refer to is coin.

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Lehigh Low Income Housing Institute. There's a bunch of others.

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I've forgotten the specific names. But they become wealthy. I mean,

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you're talking about organizations with one hundred and fifty million

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business model is they get the dingiest, grossest lot they

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can find. They literally take a garden shack that might

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in there. You can do drugs, you can traffic yourself,

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you can traffic others. No expectation to change at all.

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They call it a low barrier shelter. It's no. And

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here's the business model. So federal government steps in and

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pays for that. Washington State taxpayers pay for that, and

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it's just a mortgage and they're just paying off the land.

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and this has been proven through hidden video recordings. You

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lose your shack if you don't show up at a

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city council meeting to advocate for more Democrats, wow, more socialism.

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that I had someone on my show who had undercover

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video of if you go to the job interview today

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and you don't work in the kitchen, you are not

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friend David Preston from a group called Safe Seattle, he

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coined this phrase homeless industrial complex. And I'll just say

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this so that you get an idea the scope and

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folks get an idy the scope. In one year, the

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puture Sum Business journal did an audit. In one single year,

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King County spent one billion dollars on homelessness and it

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things that you'd never expect, like folks stealing natural gas

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and blowing up a building, and or cops arresting the

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same homeless person three times in one day. So that's

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the other side of this. Have you encountered any kind

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of slimy people like that in this industry?

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always going to be bent towards that, especially if there's

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not you know, if they've got no underlying guiding principle.

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credit agency that accredits housing providers and actually they're one

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of their main purposes is to root out some abuses

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like this. And because I think it is rampant. When

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you have a vulnerable people group who can speak up

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for themselves, they're not informed, they don't know how to

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do it, et cetera, et cetera, powerful people will take

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advantage of them. Yeah, and so it's no surprise I

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think obviously, like ourselves and others, there's good players in

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the space that really do want to help people and

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are doing that. It's a matter of looking at the fruit.

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What's coming off the tree. Yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that there's these all also kind

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of little fiefdoms that sometimes get built up. It's not

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even necessarily the big government backed stuff. Always at a

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friend who was in a housing rider and they're having

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this guy work twelve hours a day, yeah, and use

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his own gas money to take people to and from

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the airport, and oh, we also need you at church

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and you're going to serve there. And I mean, he

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was fine serving in church, but I started looking at

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his schedule and realizing he's an unpaid employee, right right,

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it's not an internship. And you guys have some rate programs. Man,

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you the difference between what you do and what some

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of those other places do. And I want to talk

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about some of these metaphots. I was looking at this,

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like job placement and letting people drive your cars, your

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license and insured cars. And so we'll talk about that

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as we unfold this. And I do want to get

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into the personal change because you did it, Jesus did

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it through you and to you. I don't want to

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talk about some of the barious people have to change. Yeah,

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we'll talk about that, all right. Hey, this weekend, my

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wife and I watched the Angel Studios movie I've been

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telling you about, and I've seen clips of it and

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read reviews, and we sat down and watched it. Man,

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I am so jazzed about. Thank you, doctor Fauci. First

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of all, it's raw, and this is a really really

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interesting approach that the director took to this that you

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actually watch him uncover this stuff as they're going through

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the research. And his name is Jennifer's young dude, and

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you see these he and the producer and his researcher

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blown away as they go through the background of who

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Fauci is? This take this from COVID, the origins of this.

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we know about, like Ralph Basic Basic and some of

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the other players that we've talked about in the show,

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Peter Dashick, et cetera, these guys are probably spies and

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probably double agents, playing us against China on both sides.

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Incredible Rath Barrack is talking about. They also go through

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and talk about design of the virus. And I remember

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Judy Markobitz said at the very very beginning of this,

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these these this is made in the lab because this

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part of this virus, here's AIDS. This is put in

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this way. This is a cancer agent, and they they,

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I think, prove this and that Fauci knew this, but

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they take this a step further. You might remember an

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interview I did with an author who wrote a book

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called Fauci's First Fraud, and it was about AIDS. Well,

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believe it or not, it's not just AIDS, it's polio.

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It's an incredible story. They go all the way back

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and guess what. Some of the same players were involved

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in the AZT con to make people take that poisonous

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drug as the only thing that would quote cure AIDS

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or mitigate it. This is an incredible movie and it

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is available right now for you to stream. Go to

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Angel dot com slash hermon and it's called Thank You,

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Doctor Fauci. Go join the Angel Guild today, stream this,

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share this with friends. We wanted this movie, made no

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one else to do it. Angel did it, Jenner did

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it Jenner first, Angel dot com, slash Hermon. We joined

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the guild. You're not just watching, you're not just consuming.

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You're making sure that more movies get made like this

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at demand accountability. So Cameron, I, So, I've had various

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addictions I don't know that I was addicted to porn

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when I was young, because it never it didn't cost

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me jobs, It wasn't something that it wasn't at all costs.

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What caused me to stop that behavior, I'd like to

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say it was Jesus, and probably was. It was realizing

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that I was watching videos of sex assaults and of

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people who were being raped. Okay, can't do that. Boom done,

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Praise God. Food. So I used to weigh almost four

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hundred pounds, and I was I was a secret eater.

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So I would go to McDonald's and this was my bit,

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double quarter pounder of cheese, the fish sandwich, thing, fries,

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diet coke, gosh nos. I would eat that on the

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way to the next McDonald's and I would hide it. Wow,

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because I was in my attict's mind. There were the

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people at the next McDonald's, Hey fatties on the way.

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I remember Fatty with the ponytail, Fatty with the ponytails

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on the way. So then i'd go in and order,

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but i'd be I'd be on the car phone that

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was mounted. What do you want hunt?

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Speaker 2: Oh no yeah what?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah no yeah, I'll get you fish sandwich too. Yeah, okay, yeah,

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all right, see it a bit.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: So I had a kid.

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Speaker 1: It's weird of kids, and I had this attic mind

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and now at all costs. Yeah, I knew I was

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balloon or not, so I could relate it to that.

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This is some other things I've been addicted to and

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don't put me in rushes, et cetera that I think

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is common with people. For me, it was seeing a

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picture of myself. This was the weight thing. I saw

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myself getting out of a car and it was a

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scissle reel we put together our PR company put together

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for my internet radio network, and literally, Cameron, I'm watching

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this and there's a dude getting out of a cab

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in San Francisco. And I said to my PR agent,

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who is that? That's you? That's me?

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Speaker 3: Wow, And I'm out.

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Speaker 1: And I made a pledge to my girlfriend's fiance, who's

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not my wife. I'm not going to be your fat husband.

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I refuse to do it. Now. My elements to change

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are hardcore. So I'm going to In Seattle, I had

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a you know, a personal trainer, a guy named Jerome

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and Steve, a couple of different guys I paid in advance,

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No cancelations unless my arm is falling off. You charge

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me money. Made it first thing in the morning, count

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every calorie, hard edge like to this day, it's a

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sixty to eight fast. I found out for myself. I

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am a guy who needs eat that structure for myself,

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and that's an enforcement of change. And then spiritually, I

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have to be a guy who constantly surrenders because my

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flesh man, it wants to make a comeback, and it

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can lead to dark times. And I have to challenge

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the flesh and let the spirit rule. That's my change,

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and that's how I've structured this. And I have to

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install habits. They have to be habits. You help people

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with job placement. You help them. You give them cars.

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If they have their own car, that's great. You let

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them use yours. You give them college credit for completing

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your program, which is incredible. You matching savings accounts, et cetera.

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That's insane, that's so cool. You have people making twenty

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five thirty five hundred bucks a month sometime to your

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program in these jobs. So let's start with this. How

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common is it that people need that shock? Like me

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seeing myself at nearly four hundred pounds or you know

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that that classic thing and looking in the mirror and

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you missing your teeth or said, how common is that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually don't think it's that common because well,

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I think it's a slow slide.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So what what stops them?

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Speaker 3: Then? I think it's other people, an intervention. I think

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it's other people, loved ones in their life that hold

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emotional weight, sitting them down and saying I love you, Like,

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let's just whiteboard for a second. What's going on in

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your life and potentially what it could be if you

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will yield in some areas.

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Speaker 1: Are you actually talking about like really whiteboarding?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think it's beautiful for real. I think

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it's super helpful. Yeah, I love you as no whiteboard?

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Speaker 1: Well I love them too. Yeah, but my mofice at

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Microsoft was all whiteboard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah there you go. Yeah, best companies in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you literally think it's not it's not a

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common thing for a person to encounter themselves or a god,

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show you a picture of yourself, or look at your filth,

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look at what you become. I love you, come back

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to me. But it's loved ones sitting down with a

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whiteboard and saying here's where you're at, here's where you

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could be, or here's where you could end up if

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you don't change.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's one way. I think

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the overarching truth that I just mentioned is real and

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being that individuals get accustomed to themselves. So it's like

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the frog in a pot of boiling hit right, starts cold,

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and pretty soon you're four hundred pounds. I think individuals,

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whether it's a loved one or just someone who has

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value for them so doesn't have to be a loved one.

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And we're seeing that more and more people don't have families.

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You know, we're in the jails every other weekend reaching

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out to people and literally sitting down through that glass

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and sometimes we're going in and saying, like you have

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immense value and just tears. They've never heard that, yeah,

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like what, yeah, I mean? And so for people who've

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grown up in a decent family, like what, there's people

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who don't know they have value and that there's a

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potential future for them, especially in Christ and through the

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Church and his mission, et cetera. No, no, lots lots

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millions of individuals that don't know they hold im men's

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value and capability, natural talents, aptitudes, and so a lot

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of it is can be just a soft vision cast

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for like, are you content right now? The answers lots

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of times no, okay, Well what if we walked alongside

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you literally house you, provide transportation, provide grafting into a

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local church. So you're not just successful now, you're going

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to be successful big picture. Because we're playing for sustainability.

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We can structure people into success while you're in our program.

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Speaker 1: That's easy, yeah, because the doors are locked and have

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to be, and people can even sometimes they fool themselves

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into I'm okay, or if they know they're it'll lock.

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Was like I'll play the game.

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Speaker 3: It's right, yep, one hundred percent. Yeah, but that's that's

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not real life. So individuals then finish those programs and

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whether it be a third thirty day program, ninety day

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or even one year. And in my case and tip

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Over like clockwork, that's where this organization that my wife

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and I founded was born was working and seeing individuals complete,

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go out the door, get their graduation certificate, and call

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back in thirty days, call back in sixty days, sometimes

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not call back at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the structure's gone, and the program, all the

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theory that worked inside because everybody was doing it outside,

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not everyone's doing it and without that structure that bed

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to lay on and people to come around you. And

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you're saying getting embedded with the church community, and people

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know in the church community because you're honest, this is

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what I'm going through. This is how I've come to

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your church. And so they're there. I guess is the

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body of Christ to say, hey, did I see you

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at a liquor store or right right? Or you just

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look down and are you okay? But it's also is

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it I know that there are people because I work

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with a guy. I am the person he knows full stop. Right,

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he's in a program right now. He decided to try

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to end his life, and praise God, he got caught

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with meth and he didn't even get to use it.

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And he wasn't even really a meth guy. He just

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wanted to end his life because the last living relative

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of his died and he didn't talk to her. But

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it was just this, no one cares about me, I'd say,

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but brother, wait, you could have called me. I know,

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but I lost my phone and write and I don't

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know how many people watching this and they're listening to

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this know what it is to have the devil tell

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you are alone. It will always be this way. So

474
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that connection into the church community for a lot of people.

475
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,920
And again this is unrelatable for folks. This is the

476
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,279
first place I walk into and more than one person

477
00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,599
knows my name or comes to hug me and they're

478
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:01,319
glad to see me. I don't know if people can

479
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,680
relate to a the feeling of loneliness that you are

480
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,480
alone in the world and then the change to wait,

481
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,279
people know me and they still like me, right. So

482
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,599
how how important is that that aspect, that body of

483
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,400
Christ aspect?

484
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 3: I think it is. I like to describe it as

485
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,480
wind in the sail, you know it. There's nothing more

486
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:25,160
empowering than being fully known. That's what you're talking about.

487
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,519
You're talking about being fully known yea, and fully loved.

488
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and does a lot of work in that

489
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:38,160
sentence because fully known and wait, you still love me

490
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,319
right right? Like I know, I think about my wife.

491
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,160
My wife fully knows me, and there's been time she's like, oh,

492
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,640
I don't like you even a little bit, but I

493
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,640
love you, yes, right? Uh. And so there's that and

494
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,839
that get cares a lot of weight.

495
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:55,079
Speaker 3: Well, and only Jesus facilitates that in the context of

496
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:58,640
the local church, right, And that's what's so beautiful about

497
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,880
a church. Who's doing it right is man, We're all

498
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,720
of us are the exact same human right. I mean,

499
00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:09,160
I love it when people just get radically honest. There's

500
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,799
nothing more refreshing. And we have a phrase we've coined

501
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,039
in our curriculum called ugly honesty, and that means if

502
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,319
you tell the truth, if you really tell the truth,

503
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,440
it's going to be ugly, and that's okay because of Jesus.

504
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,920
And we're all the same. We all suck super bad,

505
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,279
but thank God for Jesus.

506
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Speaker 1: Man. And ugly truth, yeah, those are hard to tell,

507
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,200
but there is also when you confess them within the

508
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,240
body of Christ. The Lord is there to say, hey, look,

509
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:36,920
let me take that from you. Would you like me

510
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,079
to carry that burden? And if you've ever had the

511
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,000
experience of actually being crushed under the weight of something

512
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:48,160
and then bowing your head in prayer and literally saying, Jesus,

513
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,160
I need you to take this from me. I cannot

514
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,680
carry this. And I've had times in my life where

515
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,960
the Lord has said Okay, I got it, and camera

516
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,880
I've sat there and felt the Lord go okay, yeah, wow.

517
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,519
And you're pretty strong dude, you do CrossFit all that stuff.

518
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:03,599
You're strong for your age. But yeah, this is crushing.

519
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,920
But for me, Jesus this, I don't even feel this.

520
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,480
So I want to relate this to you. That there's

521
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:14,680
a guy who's he works with the state, but he's

522
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,920
one of the good guys in the state. And there's

523
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,240
a lot of good people that work for the state,

524
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,319
let's be clear, but there's a lot of corruption in

525
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,279
the state level too in dealing with people, and I

526
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,839
think they make it really hard for people to get

527
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,759
into programs like yours. I think they make it really

528
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:27,960
hard to change. I'd like to talk about that. He

529
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:32,440
shared this story that he was a prole officer for

530
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:36,920
a guy who had been a pedophile and he had

531
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:43,039
repeatedly violated young girls. And this guy is a dad

532
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:46,519
of girls, and so he's this guy's prole officer and

533
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:50,079
his last violation had been like twelve years ago. And

534
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,960
he told the story of being in prison and meeting

535
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,960
other meeting dads and some dads who didn't beat him up.

536
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,440
Because pedophiles don't have a run of it in prison.

537
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:04,279
And he took some beatings and he took some other things,

538
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,759
but he met some other guys in prison who said,

539
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:09,359
you know, I have daughters, and like, how dare you?

540
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,160
And beginning to understand this, and he was changed. And

541
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:19,920
he started coming to his parole office every day. And

542
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,279
his par office come out and said, dude, you only

543
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:23,559
need to come here like once a week, and then

544
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,680
once every o the week. But he kept coming every day.

545
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,480
And so one day this guy's walking into the office

546
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:31,799
and this was in Boise, and they had big snow

547
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,599
down there. It looks down and the dude is wearing

548
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,480
shoes that have no soles basically, I mean there's a

549
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,279
little sole left with his feet of freezing. And he

550
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:44,160
walked over from this flophouse motel. He's like, do you

551
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,680
have shoes? Oh, this is the shoes I have. Let's

552
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,480
go buy your shoes.

553
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:50,039
Speaker 3: Wow.

554
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: Put him in his truck. Took the man to a

555
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,839
shoe store bottom not just shoes, but a pair of

556
00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:01,200
boots too, and socks, and he puts those things on.

557
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,440
They throw out the other things and qualified shoes sits

558
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160
down in this truck. And this man weeps and he

559
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:13,880
is He's you talk about ugly truth. This man was

560
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,480
in his mid thirties. That was the first pair of

561
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,799
shoes he'd ever owned that didn't come out of a

562
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:25,599
garbage can or you know, someone's four year old pair.

563
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:29,400
And his prole officer bought it for him. And as

564
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,839
they sat there in that truck, the pro officer just

565
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,680
God spoke to him and he said, do you know

566
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:39,000
Jesus And he said, I've heard about him. He goes

567
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,599
those shoes, those are from Jesus.

568
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,079
Speaker 3: Wow.

569
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: Because I don't like you.

570
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

571
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to work with you. But you're child

572
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:50,880
to God and you have immense value.

573
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

574
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: So he used that word. You use that phrase, immense value.

575
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,519
And Jesus loves you, and do you want to accept

576
00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:59,319
him as your Lord's savior? And in the in the

577
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:03,160
truck that gay did that guy he can't work around kids,

578
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,279
obviously given that background, but he now consults within the

579
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:12,400
prison system to help people come out of those behaviors.

580
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,039
He works with offenders, and he does it from a

581
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,359
position of Christ. So those are the sort of ugly

582
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,759
truths you have to like. What's that like when a

583
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,279
group of men or women. When someone tells an ugly truth,

584
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,880
you know, welcoming environment like that. Most people have never

585
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,240
seen that.

586
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:35,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's shocking, you know, and the truth is shocking.

587
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:37,799
That's why we're so used to plastic, right, because most

588
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:41,799
people don't tell the truth. Yeah, and especially in institutional

589
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:48,079
levels or organizational levels, and so that's why, you know.

590
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,680
So the secular version of this is AA AA or

591
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:57,319
NA same premise. Yeah, come in, admit your stuff. It's anonymous.

592
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,279
We all recognize we're in this room and messed up,

593
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,240
and we all walk away and there's no judgment. Now

594
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,200
those were Christians, the founders of AA but they took

595
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:10,640
Jesus off the cover of the book, but he's in

596
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:19,400
the pages. And it is so empowering to be accepted

597
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,720
in the midst of your humanity as much as you're

598
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:26,160
willing to admit, right, and Jesus will meet us. And

599
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,240
I think a lot of times, you know, the piece

600
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:33,720
that weighs on people is well, what if what if

601
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:38,759
they just you know, thump me on the other side

602
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:40,640
of telling the truth? You know, what if they just

603
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,079
And I think a lot of times individuals paint God

604
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:52,400
with their experience of humanity and Jesus, God is way

605
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,960
better than we think he is. You know, he's not

606
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:59,240
thumping us. That's what Jesus took for us so that

607
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,640
we can be act. And James four to ten, it's

608
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,240
My life. Verse says, when you bow down and admit

609
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,279
your dependence on God, then he will lift you up

610
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:11,359
and give you honor. And that same word admit, that's

611
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:15,119
that's the first word in step one of AA. And

612
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,960
admitting is so difficult because we just hear lies in

613
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,039
our head. You know, you're going to be rejected, they're

614
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:26,680
gonna not want to have anything to do with you anymore,

615
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,359
you'll think less of you, et cetera, et cetera. But

616
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,440
it's actually really attractive when people get ohly honest.

617
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:34,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

618
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's this also, I think one of

619
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,079
the lies the enemy tells you it's not changed that

620
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,119
much from the garden and we'll surely die. God I

621
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,039
wouldn't do that. I mean, he's just afraid you're gonna

622
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:48,920
be like him. But you're going to be super happy

623
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,119
because you're going to be like gods. And I want

624
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,720
to relate that experience here in just a quick seconds

625
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,960
as we're talking through this and being like gods. We

626
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000
have an opportunity here to choose who we work with.

627
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,440
And this is a big Christmas time thing. This is

628
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,799
a huge Christmas gift for people. People who speak the

629
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,960
language of all lives matter, people who speak the language

630
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,559
of being pro life and really mean it. This is

631
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,000
the time for you to go to Alan soaps dot

632
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,800
com slash Todd and purchase soaps that have a mission

633
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,760
behind it. So number one, this is not like freeze

634
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,800
dried soap from China. It is made in America. It's

635
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,800
all natural. It's made by a family and they have

636
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,199
a facility. But as you're standing in the back of

637
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,719
their home, three generations to soap making expertise. And the

638
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,800
mission here is for us to get back into the

639
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,320
business of employing more people. Right now, Alan and Ian

640
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,360
work there. Alan, as you know, he's the namesake of

641
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,599
the company. Also, a guy works there every single day

642
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:48,079
invent some of the soaps. He is effectively nonverbal, has

643
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,800
a heck of a dance move though when he introduces

644
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,880
himself he's worked on this, it's a really good dance move.

645
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,400
He's fourteen, he's been through about eighteen operations. Because he's

646
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,840
got challenges moving to his brother Ian works there in

647
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,679
acted by autism as well. We had a young lady

648
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,559
named Amy working there. But we are running into man.

649
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,840
This is a tough season because John, who founded this

650
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,599
company for his kids, he's going to the Lord sometime

651
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,519
next summer, if not sooner, and he knows this, and

652
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:16,519
I gotta get I got to get his permission to

653
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:19,079
read this note he wrote about what it's like to

654
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:22,440
be dying. It's an interesting note and I'll share that

655
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,119
with you if he'll let me. And this isn't a

656
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,519
sympathy thing. I'm giving you an opportunity to have the

657
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,039
world's best soap for the world's best reason, because all

658
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,280
lives matter. It's a great way to stuff stockings. It's

659
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,360
also a great way just to scrine up for subscription

660
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,519
stuff for people. By the way, as we're talking about this,

661
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:40,159
they also have a liquid soap for your business or

662
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:43,239
your church. It's Alan Soaps dot Com slash todd and

663
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,760
you get tempercent off all the products there, World's Best Soap,

664
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,679
Alan Soaps dot Com slash Todd. So these ugly truths,

665
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,119
you know, Cameron, you're talking about and that change and

666
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,599
people admitting things, and I watched this with young men

667
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,079
because I work in the youth ministry and I'm blessed

668
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:06,320
to do that. And when you have a young man

669
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:08,960
come to you and say, hey, can I talk to you?

670
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:11,840
And pull aside? And here's the thing that I look for.

671
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,920
This is so astonishing. Is young man pulled me aside

672
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,400
through the nights and hey, can I chat privately with you? Sure?

673
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,920
And he goes, he goes, Hey, first of all, I

674
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,920
your wife was sick. How is she? She's a lot better?

675
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,880
Thank you for asking. Okay, your daughter, how's she doing?

676
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:26,639
My daughter's good, man, Thank you very much. My daughter's

677
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,239
in an exotic location and she went out for Thanksgiving

678
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,960
for someone. I had a round here, mister a little bit,

679
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,639
but she's having fun. Cool. I'm glad they're well. The

680
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,639
reason I want to share this with you is I

681
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,159
did some things on Thanksgiving break and I'm super not

682
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,280
proud of them, and wondering if you'd help me tell

683
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,960
my parents.

684
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

685
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So young man goes through and says, so you

686
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,400
know what, I relapse on porn, bad Todd. I looked

687
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,199
at some stuff I can't even believe I looked at

688
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,199
and try to get my girlfriend to look at it

689
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:09,039
with me, and she broke up with me because she

690
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:12,360
thought it was gross. And like, honestly, go good for her,

691
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,960
sweet good Christian girl.

692
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: Is she here?

693
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: He goes, she's here. She won't even talk to me.

694
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:21,239
And to be able to say, I'm so proud of you.

695
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,079
I love you even though you chose to sin, I

696
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,800
love you, so does Jesus. So first of all, let's

697
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,440
pray into this and let's give this to Jesus. And

698
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,000
I see that you're repenting, and he said, I this

699
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:36,360
is the crazy thing. He goes, I finally get that word,

700
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:43,480
you know, repent, Finally get that I'm sick with myself. Well,

701
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:46,400
help me tell my parents. Sure, I'll hope it, tell

702
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,639
you folks, all right, see, And but what for me?

703
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,679
There's so many elements to that, and it begins with

704
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:58,719
thinking outside yourself. So how important is that aspect to

705
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,840
this life change that you gain this ability to think

706
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,400
outside yourself? Because I think when you're addicted to stuff,

707
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:11,599
a satan saying you're happy, this is happiness and it's

708
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,440
at all costs. But dude, look how happy you are now,

709
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,519
our young lady. Look how happy you are. Look how

710
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,039
thrilling this is and distract destroyed the press. That's the

711
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,880
distract part. And you're not thinking outside yourself. You're not

712
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,760
even thinking within your family unit like you like, No,

713
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,000
you're not thinking in your family unit at all costs.

714
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,519
So how important are at what stage does that come in?

715
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:36,639
Do you see where people then kind of boom, wake

716
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,840
up and once again they're thinking outside themselves or thinking

717
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,119
outside themselves for the first time.

718
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:48,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I think the word repentance specifically gets confused

719
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:51,519
a lot of times with damage control. So if individuals

720
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,679
are caught in something so you know or know something

721
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,679
is going to come to light and now you're trying

722
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,840
to get in front of it, that's not repents right,

723
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,599
that's damage control. Now we encounter that all the time

724
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,719
as we have limited structure in our program for these individuals.

725
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:13,599
What you just described, that's repentance. Nobody knows except him

726
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:22,360
and the girlfriend. And he's initiating keyword, he's initiating the conversation. Right,

727
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,079
you're not seeing tells in his life and sitting him down, Hey,

728
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,559
let's talk about this and then it, you know, comes out.

729
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,559
That's key. That's a that's a tell for me that

730
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,840
somebody is alive. On the inside. When somebody is telling

731
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,039
on themselves, that's a byproduct of God. That's not natural,

732
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:46,079
that's not natural, that's supernatural. Right. That is the opposite

733
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:49,239
of self protection. That's like what you said, you're experiencing

734
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,599
that grossness or that forget the word you used. I

735
00:39:54,159 --> 00:40:01,599
can't stop. It's disgusting, right versus normal humanities. Just like, yeah,

736
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,079
just send it, go for it. It feels good. Yeah.

737
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: And there are times I think where God uses loved

738
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,800
ones to show you your sin, right, and when that

739
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:16,480
happens and you're you're confronted in that A, it's so crushing. B.

740
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,440
It's an opportunity to experience grace from loved ones and

741
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,000
forgiveness from loved ones. And when you know forgiveness is

742
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,639
hard given where someone has to work to forgive you,

743
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,360
that's real. Like it's almost the difference between someone popping

744
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,360
into a store and buying you something versus they sat

745
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,360
down and made you something right and it was real effort.

746
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,880
Or it's the widow's might thing. You know, you get

747
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,360
a gift from someone like I'll just give you an example.

748
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:55,360
One of the guys that mentored has no money. I mean,

749
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,639
he's an SSI. He bought me because he saw the

750
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,679
podcast and he sees that we've about these records behind this.

751
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:06,159
He bought me four albums and I mean it was

752
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:12,159
like probably twelve bucks, but for him that's two meals. Yep,

753
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:17,960
that's a great, big deal. That's hard one. And so

754
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,599
this sort of forgiveness, like you're right about the damage

755
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:24,880
control thing, that repentance has to contain real sorrow. True

756
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,079
forgiveness mean you can say like, oh, bro, you know

757
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,840
my bad not for you. It's cool, it's cool. That's

758
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,480
not forgiveness. That's convenience, it's politeness. But true forgiveness, isn't

759
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,519
it really an effort to truly forgive?

760
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:41,599
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so? Yeah? Yeah? What is the rule?

761
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,039
Act of the will? Pardon an act of the will?

762
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to do this. I'm going to let

763
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,519
God force me to do this because I don't want

764
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:51,599
to do it, because I'm super angry.

765
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,599
Speaker 3: And because I'm aware of what I've been forgiven of

766
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,880
by God. So that empowers me now to turn around

767
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,199
and forgive others.

768
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: That's a huge aspect to it, isn't it like to

769
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,280
really think about Wait, like God forgave a lot with me,

770
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,719
what's it like for individuals to forgive themselves after the

771
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,880
telling this ugly truths? What did you?

772
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,079
Speaker 2: Is that?

773
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: What you call them?

774
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: What's your phrase again, ugly honesty?

775
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: Ugly honesty? They go through an ugly honesty session? What's

776
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,239
it like for them to forgive themselves?

777
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: That's a process because the enemy or ourselves will like

778
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,039
to just whisper or scream in our mind, in our

779
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:33,559
ear all day long, right, And so walking with an

780
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:38,960
individual and checking in and having follow up conversations. We've

781
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,079
got worksheets that we sit down and do with individual

782
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:42,800
or actually we ask them to fill it out, and

783
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,760
then they bring the worksheet it's called a four your

784
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,679
Best worksheet, and they bring that to our one on

785
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,360
ones that we have with them with staff, and it

786
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:55,039
just goes through some categories of life, and a lot

787
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:58,159
of it is based on what they're thinking, because what

788
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,920
you're thinking is directly determining what you're doing. Yeah, right,

789
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,719
And you know we can sit in a church service

790
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,480
for an hour a week, but I preach way more

791
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,159
sermons to myself in my own head all week long, right,

792
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,199
just that inner monologue that never stops. So what is

793
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,199
that speaking about? And how do I infuse the truth

794
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,559
into other individuals regular thought process? And it's eighty five

795
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,639
percent encouragement And I like to say eighty five percent

796
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,000
encouragement and fifteen percent soft correction. You know, this people

797
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:36,679
group specifically doesn't need to be told they suck at life.

798
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,360
They're pretty aware, right, I certainly was. I certainly am

799
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,519
aware of my own humanity. I need wind in my sale.

800
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,760
I need some because I don't see it oftentimes in

801
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,639
and in myself. Just like, dude, you're amazing, Like that

802
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,760
feels good, even now you know I'm forty I don't

803
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,880
know how I am forty two. You're a young kid

804
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,760
that I appreciate that when I hear that, how much

805
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,119
more an individual just getting out of incarceration or just

806
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,199
getting out of rehab and trying to get their feet

807
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,760
underneath them, and they're loved ones, sometimes the closest ones.

808
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:21,559
Two individuals are so aware of the negative that sometimes

809
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:26,559
it's actually better if family just ceases communication for a

810
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:32,880
little bit, because oftentimes it can be overwhelmingly negative and

811
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:35,440
let the staff at absolute like just walk with this

812
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,280
individual for a while because there's just so much hurt

813
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,159
there that's legitimate, right, those bridges have been so torched

814
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:46,159
over the years, and so for a mom and or dad,

815
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:49,679
aunt and uncle, granma, grandpa to think and sometimes rightly,

816
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,639
like they'll never change.

817
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: There's just there was this kid I coached back in

818
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,639
the day when I was in community college, played football there,

819
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,760
and one of my work study programs in exchange for

820
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,639
a little bit of money off of college, was to.

821
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: Coach.

822
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: So I ended up coaching this kid. Incredible wrestler, incredible kid.

823
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,400
And you walked into the rest room and when you

824
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,559
wrestle and you can recognize great movement. I watched this

825
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:23,400
kid move like wow, special kid and started to work

826
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:29,199
with him. His name is Chris. And first match comes

827
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,199
and he's on the floor with a kid that he

828
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,480
should have pinned in like seconds, and he is tight,

829
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,360
he can barely move. He's like getting taken down. This

830
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,840
kid should not be able to even nearly take him down.

831
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,360
And the kid got a bloody nose his opponent. And

832
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,800
so I went out and I talked to Chris, and

833
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,800
I said, I'm just I'm trying to distract him. So

834
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,880
I said, hey, do you know that cheerleader over there

835
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,119
but with the other team, Yeah, blonde girl yeah, no,

836
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,559
she's in love with you. She is. Yeah, yeah, just

837
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,760
can stop looking at you. Oh anyway, hey, just have

838
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,079
some fun out here, man, relax, have some fun, so

839
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:14,719
come back together. Start they wrestle Boom Chris pins kid

840
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:20,039
And upon reflection, as I was thinking about that match,

841
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,360
his dad was screaming bloody murder at the kid. And

842
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,199
I've been the sports dad like, I fell into that trap.

843
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,400
I'm embarrassed to say, and I've repented to that. It

844
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,400
was gross. I can't believe I fell into that having

845
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,159
watched it, and I got to as a young kid

846
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:41,519
pulled that dad aside. He came to practice and we

847
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:46,199
had these portal doors, so like the circle windows. I said, hey, miss,

848
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:47,800
and I said this last time. I won't say it

849
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,559
on the show, but you know, sir, I want you

850
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,840
to watch your son Russell. And he looked at the

851
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,599
wind who he goes, why doesn't he do that matches?

852
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:01,159
I said, nah, that's all due respect. He's terrified of you.

853
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:03,159
Speaker 2: He is.

854
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this guy confessed to say, you know what,

855
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:09,199
I was a professional hockey player.

856
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

857
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: And so the point of the story is this a promise.

858
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,880
It's not just me like telling old man stories is.

859
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 3: It was.

860
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: Four or five years later. I hadn't seen this.

861
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 3: Kids.

862
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,199
Speaker 1: I dropped out of college, went and played in bands.

863
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,280
I'm doing other things. But some of my buddies are wrestling.

864
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,840
Say hey, the state founder's coming on, going go watching.

865
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,519
Some of my friends are wrestling coaches, so oh yeah, yo, gosh,

866
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:35,400
my friends are coaches now. And I show up down

867
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,679
there and there's the kid and he's winning his second

868
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,159
state championship and oh my gosh, he's And so I'm

869
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:43,800
just down on the floor hanging out with my buddies

870
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,519
or coaches, and this kid looks over me and goes, oh,

871
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,920
coach Todd. And it runs over to me, jumps up

872
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,199
in my arms like and I'm crying. I didn't do anything.

873
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,119
I didn't do anything, but he remembered. That's change. So

874
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,159
I wanted to ask you, like you walk the life

875
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,519
spoken that cigarette man, this is not for me, and

876
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:07,039
then God causes you. I'm going to commit you change.

877
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:10,000
Twenty two years later, you run Absolute Ministries dot org.

878
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:12,280
You can donate money there. They need to reach their

879
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,400
year end goal. This is a donation based organization. No

880
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,800
one's getting rich doing this. It's Absolute Ministries dot org

881
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,000
and go donate there. Tell me about one of the

882
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:29,159
first times you met someone who graduated your program and

883
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,760
you just and they did it and it worked. I mean,

884
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,440
tell me about that, Like, what are the first ones

885
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:34,840
you remember?

886
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: I love these. We had an individual come to us.

887
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,119
He was about forty years old and he grew up

888
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:47,920
in California. Uh. He still actually texts me every morning.

889
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: Awesome, just what.

890
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,199
Speaker 3: You're talking about? Yeah, right, Because individuals remember the role

891
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,800
you played in their life.

892
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: Even if it's minor. In my case, I did nothing.

893
00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: We're going to play a role. So are you going

894
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,239
to the villain or the superhero? And you know, I'm

895
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,039
just taking some creative license there, But what will they

896
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,400
remember you as? The villain? Is the negative? The dad

897
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,000
in that story, right, just constantly chiding doesn't mean it

898
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:17,599
wasn't true. Do better, do better? Right? But man, the

899
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:20,920
guy the kid knew he was struggling. Yeah. So this

900
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:26,239
individual is forty years old, he comes to us, spent

901
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,760
all of his twenties locked up in the California Department

902
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,440
of Corrections. Didn't see a daist sunlight in his twenties,

903
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:39,880
outside the system into his thirties, gets released, relapses contributes

904
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,760
to the recidivism rates that are overwhelming. And I can

905
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,159
tell you why. I we can get into that ends

906
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:52,159
up coming to us and we walk alongside him. This

907
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:59,719
individual captures every room he walks into. He struggled dramatically

908
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,639
throughout program. He spent over two years with us, and

909
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:05,079
I'd like to highlight that just for a second, that

910
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,480
we're doing real life with these individuals. It's just with

911
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,840
a full time team of people staff around them dedicated

912
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:13,639
to their success.

913
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

914
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,079
Speaker 3: I mean, what does that cost in real life? A

915
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:19,760
full time consulting team who's like just with you, facilitating

916
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,360
life to make you successful.

917
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: Personal experience. Thirty thousand months, thirty thousand bucks a months

918
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,320
in some cases. I know that for a fact.

919
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:33,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he through our partnership, through our job partnerships,

920
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:36,639
we got him a job. He worked at multiple jobs,

921
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:41,400
but slowly began proving himself and through a connection one

922
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,840
of our board members has got him a job in

923
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:49,000
a school district, big school district, doing custodial work. Crushed it,

924
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:54,239
loved by the kids in that very huge school district

925
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,199
in western Washington. Lots of kids in that school district

926
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:03,239
who don't have dads and this individual was the light

927
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,760
in their day, just filled up the hallway with this

928
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,719
just the presence I got just love the kids and

929
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:15,880
invested in them. And he just two years ago, twenty

930
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,039
twenty three, got the employee of the Year district wide.

931
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:27,159
Yeah in western Washington. And guy's so cool, like that's wild,

932
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,320
didn't see one day of his twenties in the California

933
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,920
Department of Corrections. Comes up here, goes through our process

934
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:38,119
and gets employee of the Year district wide, voted on

935
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:39,400
by his peers.

936
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: So cool.

937
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: And if you're listening, I love you, so proud of you.

938
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hadn't met you, and I'm proud of you. Yeah,

939
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,199
real quickly and we can have you back, and I'd

940
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,719
like to do that. I'd love to just talk about

941
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,079
personal change with people, and particularly young people. Love this

942
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:01,400
idea of this whiteboard confrontation or intervention. I actually liked

943
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,679
that show Intervention. You know, hey, you know we brought

944
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you here for the following reasons. This is as you're

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making are harming us in your family, and today we

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want to give you the gift of treatments. And that

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was actually a really good show. So just give us

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low lights on why we have such a high recidivism rate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'd love to get partnered with that show

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because there's a lot of people. Oh you could be

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that show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just need to call an absolute intervention.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if only knew someone in lots of content, I'll

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tell you that.

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Speaker 1: If only new people in the media business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who does know that? People in the media.

957
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Speaker 1: Business don't know what the studio or something.

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Speaker 3: I don't So recidivism rates are contributed to. First of all,

959
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there the rates are off the chart. They're terrible, right,

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Nine out of ten fail they go through treatment like

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that's wild, especially for the amount of money and the

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funds being invested in that space. Yeah, okay, I think

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with over twenty years of personal experience, the reason for

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that is because what we just talked about, the structure

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is easy. In the program, they walk out the door

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and the structure disappears gone. There's no self structure that's

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been developed. It was all external structure, like an exoskeleton.

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I think of a tomato plant and the tomato cage, right,

969
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the tomato cage goes away and tips over. And so

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when you look at the six areas of life that

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we specifically facilitate, so the safe and stable housing, the

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job placement, the transportation, the financial framework and guidance how

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and where to relationships, so getting individuals grafted into the

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local church through our authored mentoring process, and then our

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department of Corrections and legal assistants all six of those areas.

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If an individual has to only one of those has

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to tip over in their life for the other five

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to tip over also, so somebody has a bad day

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with their car, their car doesn't start, they lose their job, yep.

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The other categories all fall like dominoes. Yep. And this

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is why we've had overwhelming success because we've got a

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team of people and a fleet of vehicles and safe

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and stable housing that's all facilitated by us, and we're

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walking it out with them, and it's a graduated structure,

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so they come in they're much more dependent on us

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at the beginning in season one. Our workbook is four seasons,

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four chapters, and by the time they get through to

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season four, they're doing it themselves. They've used a word earlier,

989
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a groove or a process each season each chapter. It's

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not new stuff. It's the same route, but it's been deepened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I would shortcut this in a way

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that all those six things are so important that a

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if you've never been through this or watch the movie

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through It, the barriers that society puts in front of you,

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they're imments. I've a guide, worked with and mentored and

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and God put him back into my life recently. And

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he put himself back in prison because he couldn't stand

998
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being in a parole because he wanted to be free

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or not. So, you know what, I don't like the

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fact that my po can just walk into my house. Yeah,

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I don't like that, and I'm gonna end up snapping

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and I'm gonna yell at him. I'm gonna like, he's

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gonna wake me up one morning and I'm gonna get

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in his face. So he put himself back inside. Okay,

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he's out. And this PO right now will not let

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him live anywhere near jobs, nowhere near services, because he

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needs to live at the point of origination of the crime.

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I mean, he's this guy's just by the book. Consequently,

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he lives in a camper with no insulation. I recently

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was gifted My wife and I were able to give

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him a propane heater and a solar generator and I

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drive out to meet him and he said, hey, there's

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no address where I live. I'm going to drop your pinion.

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You can drive back here. And I'm like, no, bro,

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I'm not driving into tweak or paradise, not doing it,

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So come and meet me here. He has job, offers

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great short of cook and this guy wants Jesus and

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he wants to change lives an hour and a half

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from me. And these are some of the barriers that

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society puts up. Now, look, I'm I'm you need to

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pay for your crime. I'm not a soft on crime guy.

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This guy committed some hardcore crimes. He was not a

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human traffick, but a drug trafficker for some cartels, and

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they'd very much like their money back. So he's not

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always in the safest place. Where do we draw this line?

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Because you don't just work with offenders who work with

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other people. You teach people how to live. Sounds like

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you're expanding mission. A lot of people need to know

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how to live. Where do we as a society draw

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this line? In your mind? You know, the Lord I require,

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I desire mercy, not sacrifice. Right, the Lord Jesus has

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said you need to know what this means my father,

1033
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My father wants mercy, not sacrifice. Where do we draw

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the line as a society on making sure that we

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put people who need to go away away, but then

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making sure they come out and don't always go backslide?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I used to be so when I was staff

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in this program, not at Absolute, and it worked in

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another program for years. Initially I was the buy the

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book guy, and it didn't yield anything good. I could

1041
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tack people to the wall for breaking the rules and

1042
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it made me feel good. But that's because I was insecure.

1043
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I needed the affirmation or the validation that I'm okay,

1044
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I'm doing a good job. Look at me, Look at

1045
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look I you know, got Bill in trouble for not

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hitting the mark he was supposed to hit.

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Speaker 1: Sounds pair seeing.

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Speaker 3: And when we started Absolute, I employed that at the beginning.

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But when you're ultimately responsible for something, yeah, you look

1050
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at it a little closer and you start to do

1051
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some soul searching and digging, like, Okay, what am I

1052
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,199
what's going on here? What are these results? What's what's

1053
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going on in these results? And that's where things changed,

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That's where we became wind in the sale versus just

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tacking people to the wall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, praise God. I think that's a great way to

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explain it. We'd love to have you back. It's Absolute

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Ministries dot org and this is a great place for

1059
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or you're a donation. I assume it's tax deductible, yes, sir,

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all right, Absolute Ministers dot org. Appreciate you and God

1061
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bless you for your work. Thank you very much, Kevin,

1062
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thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Todd please come back. This is the Todd Hermitshew. Please go,

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be well, be strong, be kind, and make every effort

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to walk in the light of Christ. And man. I

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get to go home and be fully seen and man

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and that word pulls a lot of weight in my

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life and fully loved