WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.200 Baby, I'm a gamesteratu. It takes a little tangle. 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:05.519 You don't want to. 3 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:09.119 Mess with me. Mess with me, baby, I'm a gangstatu. 4 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:16.000 Oh pach, baby, You're a game. 5 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:24.280 Statue for the war. 6 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.399 This podcast is designed to take you outside of your 7 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:29.800 comfort zone and make you question reality. 8 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:31.879 Listening Discretion is a vibe. 9 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:39.479 The Fellas. 10 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.079 This ain't my first time at the Rodeos. 11 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:18.719 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I got a 12 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.000 very special guest, very excited to get this man on. 13 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:24.280 I had met him at the Cosmic Summit. I actually 14 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:25.959 thought he might have been somebody else because I saw 15 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:27.680 him talking to Mike and Dave and there we were 16 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:29.840 all we had a mutual friend in a way, and 17 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:31.439 I thought that might have been him, and it wasn't. 18 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:33.879 And I guess I was meant to happen because he 19 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:35.680 eventually gave me his card. We talked a little bit, 20 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:37.359 and I wanted to get him on the show because 21 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:39.959 I think he's got some amazing stuff. But before we 22 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:42.159 get to him, I will introduce the other rejects on 23 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:45.879 the show. And we got Lisa back from the field. 24 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:46.879 We missed you. 25 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:48.879 Thank you very much for finally coming back on the 26 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:50.519 show The Occult Reject made Scientist. 27 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:51.120 What is up? 28 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:55.400 Thank you so much for having me about good feedback, 29 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.239 and I told the rejects, I'm really looking forward to 30 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:00.680 this topic. I thank you and I kind of talk 31 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:04.799 to that here and there different things to look at that. 32 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.000 So anyway, the only thing I need to plug is 33 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:09.960 the Ecual Research Institute dot. 34 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:13.360 Org and check all right. 35 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:17.840 Awesome, thank you very much. And Headless Giant, what is 36 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:18.400 going on? Sir? 37 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:20.000 Hi? 38 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:21.960 You know what, I'm the Headless Giant. You can watch 39 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:26.439 our mail bag show every Thursday where we read your 40 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:32.039 metaphysical slash occult slash paranormal emails also mall dreams and 41 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:34.800 any other dreams that you could have. We just did 42 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:40.159 a great episode with Pretty Bog talking about her astral 43 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:47.639 projections slash dream about her grandmother and how it became 44 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:50.360 a frightening experience. I suggest everybody go check it out. 45 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.319 It's a very likely episode. So you can send your 46 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:58.080 emails to me at Headless Giant podcast dot gmail dot com. 47 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:01.759 Awesome, thank you very much. And we got Tim Constantine 48 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.039 joining us tonight. What is going on? 49 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:03.280 Sir? 50 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:04.039 Thank you very much. 51 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:06.439 Hey, what's going on? Everybody? 52 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.120 Yeah, I'm Tim Constantine. My show is sixth Censory Podcast. 53 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:15.879 You can find me on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Instagram. Hello 54 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.960 to all the other rejects. Happy to be here, and Nick, 55 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:20.199 thanks for having me on again. 56 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:22.120 Of course, man, of course, I always love what you 57 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:22.719 bring to the show. 58 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.759 I appreciate it. And last but not least, before Julie 59 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.560 gets here, we got Ethan Indigo. What is going on, sir. 60 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.680 I'm honored to be here with you guys. Great to communicate. 61 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.719 This is gonna be a really fun subject, Brian. I'm 62 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:41.120 excited to hear your presentation. I write on the esoteric 63 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:44.960 and even the basic exoteric, and a couple articles on 64 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:49.879 Occult Research Institute dot org and more to come. 65 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:53.000 So honored, honored to be here. This is gonna be fun. 66 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.599 Hell yeah, thank you very much. And then finally, three 67 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:00.719 minutes into the show, finally a getting to Brian. Please 68 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:02.639 let everybody know what your deal is and where they 69 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.439 can find your stuff, and please let everybody know about 70 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:04.879 this movie. 71 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:06.879 We'll talk to about any what you want to call it. 72 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.479 Yeah, sure, Nick. 73 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.319 Well look, man, let me first just start off by saying, 74 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:13.879 you know, thanks for having me on. It's it's such 75 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.199 a pleasure to be here with this group tonight, and 76 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:20.560 you know, to meet some new people. I appreciate you 77 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:24.879 guys taking the time to do this. I'm I'm quite honored. Yeah, 78 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:26.439 it was kind of funny. We were just walking in 79 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.600 the hallways of this hotel and I think Nick, you 80 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:33.480 were like, hey, you Chris or something, and I turned around. 81 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.720 I'm like, he must be talking to me anybody else, 82 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:41.160 you know, Brian. But then it turns out we both 83 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:45.480 knew this guy, Ricardo. So I'm like, okay, well there's 84 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:50.439 a connection there. And you guys, yeah, you know, I mean, God, Ricardo, 85 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:58.839 Mike and Dave. Know, everybody knows Riccardo. So while not 86 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.120 everyone is familiar with what the Cosmic Summit is, maybe 87 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:06.240 this group is. You know, pretty much anyone who's going there, 88 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.639 there's a high probability they're working on something. They've got 89 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:15.000 a shot something going on. So you know, it's these 90 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.680 types of connections happen. And you know, I've made a 91 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:20.800 few different other connections, and I'm sure you made a 92 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.800 bunch when when you were there. That's that's what we do. 93 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.800 We connect and we tell stories and we see where 94 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:31.639 there's some overlap between you know our areas of interest, 95 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.319 and I don't know how much overlap there is with 96 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:39.800 what you guys normally focused on in Mars. There might 97 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.000 be a little we can get into it. Nikki didn't. 98 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:43.759 I don't know if you've got a chance to finish it. 99 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.920 But it gets a little bit like it does, get heavier, man, 100 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.000 it gets into the paranormal. 101 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:54.439 Oh you know what, probably the last minutes I didn't catch. Yeah, 102 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:58.079 I can't catch that was probably the most relevant watch it. 103 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.319 So I can want to show over it for sure. 104 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:02.639 Not a problem. 105 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:03.959 Well, nobody else saw it of me, so. 106 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:07.800 It wouldn't matter if everybody else, Well, that's fine. I 107 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.040 let me just you know, I sort of just offer 108 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:17.560 some context here. Yes, I'm I'm a documentary filmmaker and 109 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:23.399 I've got a film coming out about Mars. Now that 110 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:29.000 might not seem so sexy. Trust me, I get it. 111 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.639 If you're like most other people. Heck I was like 112 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:36.439 most other people. As of a couple of years ago. 113 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:41.040 I thought, well, what's what's there to know about Mars? 114 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:47.879 It's read what else? 115 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:48.319 I don't know? 116 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:54.160 It looks like Arizona. Yeah, so you know, I have 117 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:56.560 someone very close to me. Her name is Ginger. I 118 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:59.879 think she's watching right now. High Ginger, and you know 119 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.759 she Nick. You know Ginger, you mentioned her at the 120 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:07.680 Coasak Snod credit goes to her because she gave me 121 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.519 a book written by Graham Hancock. You guys probably know 122 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:15.000 Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods. This was new to 123 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:16.240 me as of a couple of years ago. I had 124 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.560 note idea, what the hell this book was. I started 125 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.240 reading it and like, what is this fiction? 126 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:23.000 What the hell is this? 127 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:28.079 And then I realized it wasn't. I'm like, hey, this 128 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.720 Graham Hancock guy. Really, man, he's got something going on here. 129 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.480 I got to figure out what else he's written, and 130 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:37.560 I went through his archive of books. Lo and behold, 131 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.560 he's written a book which not many people know about. 132 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:44.519 But he's actually written a book about Mars, and this 133 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:49.079 came out in the late nineties. In that book, I 134 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:56.439 learned a whole lot about what NASA has discovered about 135 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.279 that planet since nineteen seventy six when we really started 136 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:08.839 probes down to the surface. So this, you know, long 137 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:11.240 story short, this was a rabbit hole that I went 138 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:14.519 down and I ended up on Mars. I learned so 139 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:20.000 much that I was compelled to do something about it 140 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.879 because I felt like the rest of the world needs 141 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:30.480 to know about this information. And I sort of had 142 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:34.960 this internal debate, Dude, do a documentary. I'm a filmmaker. 143 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.200 I haven't ever done anything this long before. I've always 144 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.080 done short films. But it just spoke to me. You 145 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:44.279 guys know what that feels like. Well, there's material that 146 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:47.080 just speaks to you. Gotta do something about it. You 147 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.759 gotta get in the game. You can't be a passive 148 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.759 you know, spectator. You got to you gotta do something. 149 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:58.559 So I did something, and I came out on the 150 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.120 other end with a distribution deal and the film is 151 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.759 coming out on Amazon in August. So and here we 152 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.039 are today talking about this, and you know, before we 153 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:10.120 get into the heavy details, you know, it'd be nice 154 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.879 to take an interesting and sorry, it'll be nice just 155 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.120 to take a quick pull here in the room to 156 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.679 see what everybody knows about Mars. So I know where 157 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.000 to start from, and I know where to fill in 158 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.080 the blanks, at. 159 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:24.559 Least what I saw with you. First. We'll see how 160 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:25.120 your mike's going. 161 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:29.279 Now, I see now, now, ye does it sound better? 162 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:29.639 Yes? 163 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:36.120 Okay, Mars for me? You know scientifically elementary all the 164 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:41.080 way into college, was that it was a planet that 165 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.279 used to have life and doesn't anymore. It potentially was 166 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.799 either that it moved away too far away from the 167 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:55.120 optimal I guess orbit to sustain life, or something catastrophic 168 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:59.399 happened that it no longer was a was it reducing 169 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:04.519 hemosphere to where oxygen exists, And then a majority of 170 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:07.919 the red comes from the iron oxide from the volcanic 171 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:11.320 activity that it once had or does have, or what 172 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:14.519 have you. And then that it had dry eyes at 173 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.440 the polar caps. That's pretty much majority of what I 174 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:23.600 know scientifically esoterically, everything from a dome uh Man of 175 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:27.279 red clay, and that we may have come from Mars, 176 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:32.759 we came down from a you know kind of language, 177 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.039 and that we were made from red clay. So that 178 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:38.759 could potentially mean that we came from Mars and then 179 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.039 descended into Earth. So things like that. 180 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:47.519 Nice, thank you God, you hit some nice broad strokes there, 181 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:49.279 And you know, I think that's pretty much on the money. 182 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.960 That's a whole heck of a lot more than most people. 183 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:55.039 In the documentary. 184 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:59.320 You know, that's a fantastic answer. You know, I'd love 185 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.600 to hear from things Lisa loved to hear from everybody 186 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:04.679 else there go ahead this well. 187 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:10.320 In May two of nineteen eighty four, the CIA conductive 188 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:15.720 research with Project Stargate where a remote viewer number one, 189 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:19.799 Joe McGonagall, was tasked to view what Mars was like 190 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:24.399 one million BC and they gave him coordinates that were 191 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.919 in an area where he saw massive obelisks and pyramids 192 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:32.559 and a group of people that were like huddled and 193 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.720 somehow they could see him and knew what he was doing, 194 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.879 but they weren't too bothered by it, and they kind 195 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:44.320 of told him that their planet was going to die 196 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:47.840 and that they had sent some people away to a 197 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.720 different planet and they were hoping that they would get 198 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:55.200 back some So that was the viewing of Mars at 199 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:59.960 one million BC conductive build. Who knows a video that's true, 200 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:00.919 but that's what I. 201 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:01.720 Know about mines. 202 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.519 Yeah, Joe mcmonagall has been making the rounds lately. He's 203 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:10.919 one of the more popular guests on practically everyone's podcast. 204 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.039 Oh wow, Yeah, I mean, is. 205 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:16.919 He's still with us? He's getting up there in age, 206 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.600 He's still with us. But yes, there's been a lot 207 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:23.480 of talk about this. This particular aspect of Mars, Tim 208 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.879 and Ethan. What about you guys, who's going first? 209 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:28.679 I guess I'll go ye. 210 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:32.240 So first of all, I just want to say I 211 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:34.720 hope that this gets weird today. You mentioned that it 212 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:38.240 might paranormal all that good stuff. 213 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:38.440 Man. 214 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:42.000 Let's let's go there. Let's get weird, man, because this 215 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:43.840 is already weird for me. This has already been a 216 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:47.120 synchronicity for me because I forgot about this show. It's 217 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.399 it's my faults, my bad. I just missed the email 218 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:52.919 and I saw the invite an hour before, so I 219 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:56.320 decided to hop on. I'm supposed to be talking to 220 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.679 somebody about this subject on Saturday, so I was going 221 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:05.279 to look into Mars stuff tonight anyways, So this has 222 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.799 just been kind of weird for me. It's cool what 223 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:13.679 I know about Mars. Well, Sidonia comes to mind. Then 224 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:17.559 you have the possible Bible connections with Edom meaning Red. 225 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.639 There are two wars mentioned one in Judges one in 226 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.039 the Book of Isaiah, where there seems to be a 227 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:33.480 celestial something celestial happening beyond just Israelites fighting Edomites. Angels 228 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:38.600 were admonishing a group of people who maybe weren't people 229 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:41.240 a group of individuals from space who were supposed to 230 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.320 come down here and help Israelites. It's in there, you 231 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.919 just gotta read with your glasses on. 232 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:48.320 I guess so. 233 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.360 I'm always I've always been curious about those possible Mars 234 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.559 connections in the Bible, and then of course, of course 235 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:01.240 they're remote viewing CIA documents. I saw, uh, I'll put off. 236 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.879 I think it was the Rogan interview, the recent one 237 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.919 where he was talking about remote viewing Mars, and as 238 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.120 he's talking about it, I'm thinking back on the time 239 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:14.559 when I actually read through those documents and hearing him 240 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.120 talk about it was bringing shedding new light on that. 241 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.000 For me, I thought that he was talking about in 242 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.639 the documents because they've been redacted and maybe spun I 243 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.399 thought that he was talking about aliens up there in 244 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:32.039 those I don't know, some sort of a cryogenic sleep 245 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.600 chamber or something. Now I realized in the interview, I realized, oh, 246 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.519 he's talking about something that looks like us. 247 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:40.240 Big, like they were humans. 248 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.480 They were much taller, yes, all the humans. 249 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.480 So it seemed like have you ever seen the movie 250 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.559 John Carter, I'm familiar with that. 251 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.360 Yeah, well that that sort of John Carter monster that 252 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:56.919 was much bigger because they had lower gravity on Mars. 253 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:01.039 Yeah, so you know that could have make s Yeah. 254 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.200 So that's I'll cap it off with that. 255 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:06.879 Yeah. 256 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:10.519 And then that's so I'm just curious, Tim, I'd be 257 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:13.679 curious to know who you're talking to on Saturday about Mars. 258 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:20.039 Okay, a guy named Doug Elwell. Okay, well, he wrote 259 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:23.120 a book called about Planet X. So he's new to 260 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:23.519 me too. 261 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:28.480 Actually, okay, all right, thank you, Ethan Well. 262 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:33.279 I love chipping into all these wonderful interpretations. I call 263 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.559 I call it a cult intelligence instead of artificial intelligence. 264 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.519 We all bring some really interesting ideas. One thing that's 265 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.879 interesting is the long you know, as long as humanity 266 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:51.519 has been here, the symbol symbological influence of Mars. Even 267 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.639 at the turn of the century. Uh, there was a 268 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.960 book written by a Russian author, a fiction book that 269 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.639 was really one of the first modern science fiction books 270 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.200 that and I think it's it is called rather Red Planet, 271 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:12.200 and it is uh, you know, excuse me, red star, 272 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.279 and and it is in the inspiration for the red 273 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:23.000 star symbolism in Russia certainly and beyond. And there the 274 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:27.039 guy goes to a utopian planet where you know, communism 275 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:33.519 has manifested anyway influence interesting influence. And as someone with 276 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.879 a layman's comprehension of the nuclear experiment and an interest 277 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.960 in it, I find the idea that you mentioned in 278 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:47.080 or the preview to your film mentions the idea of 279 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:51.000 the xenon. Forgive me for forgetting the element number, but 280 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:55.720 I find that a really compelling proof of some sort 281 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:00.200 of phenomenon that's undeniable. So those two, just the long 282 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:04.680 term influence on humanities thinking and that very hard science 283 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:09.839 of that being indicative of a powerful event strikes me. 284 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:13.599 Oh interesting, Thank you for that. Yeah, you guys are 285 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:17.640 touching on some interesting points here, Julia. I OK, here 286 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.720 with the question before I get into more about what 287 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:24.200 I've worked on here with Mars, I was just taking 288 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:25.799 a poll of the room to see what everybody else 289 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:28.880 what their starting point was with Mars. 290 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:34.880 With Mars in particular. Yeah, Oh my goodness. 291 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.519 Well, you know, I when I first started my whole 292 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:44.480 conspiracy theory journey, I was a big Gaya person, and 293 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.039 I watched a lot of interviews of people saying that 294 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:51.720 there was some interesting stuff going on on Mars and 295 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.000 that in astrology and stuff. Obviously, I think that it 296 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:01.359 does have a spiritual influence over people. I mean, I'm 297 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:05.039 curious about all of that stuff. I'm not gonna like 298 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:08.640 pooh pooh anybody's beliefs or anything. But there's supposed to 299 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.599 be like some kind of different race of people that 300 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.640 lives there or something like that. I know a lot 301 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:20.519 of people have talked about that before. Yeah, I don't know, 302 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:21.279 it's interesting. 303 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:26.599 Okay, So this is good you guys. You guys have 304 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.720 have heard a bunch of the cool stuff. And for 305 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.160 those that have joined us who are watching this who 306 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:36.279 have no idea what we're talking about, you know, I'll 307 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.039 do my best to try to make sense of all 308 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:45.480 of this. So yeah, I think if we go back 309 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:50.160 to what Lisa was saying, that the broad strokes, I 310 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:56.160 guess from the mainstream scientific perspective, and thus the title 311 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.559 of the film, what we see today is the planet 312 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:04.559 was not always as it appears today. 313 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:06.119 It was. 314 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:14.880 A blue planet. It was a blue planet before Earth, 315 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:22.640 and then something happened to it. Now, when we say 316 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:30.240 blue planet, there's that excellent BBC series, you know, Blue Planet, 317 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:35.200 you guys probably seen. But aside from that, what does 318 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:40.960 the word that the phrase blue planet mean what do 319 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:42.960 you think that means? What does that conjure up? 320 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:43.480 Water? 321 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:49.440 Water in life? Going back to something Lisa said, because 322 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:52.119 you know, how do we determine if there's life or 323 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:54.160 not out there in the universe. It seems to be 324 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:59.680 if there's water or not. And judging by the scarred 325 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.240 topography of Mars, there seems to have been water there. 326 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.160 So I think it's safe to say that there was 327 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:07.720 life there. Maybe still is. 328 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:15.559 Yeah, that's it. It's that simple blue water life. 329 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:22.759 So and I have a quick question, Yeah, there might 330 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:27.279 be an issue when it comes to there's no differences 331 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.839 in like the soil texture. I mean, like just looking 332 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.039 at it from Earth, it doesn't seem like there's massive 333 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:39.799 changes in the I guess geological features. You know, it 334 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:41.680 all seems sort of one shaded read. 335 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:48.079 Yeah, it kind of does. So at a glance, Mars 336 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:54.039 really just appears to be quite an uninteresting place. Everything's 337 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:58.440 just homogeneous. I can't help but use the word boring. 338 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:00.759 I mean, how many Rover photographs have you guys seen? 339 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:06.279 Just a bunch of rocks, just a bunch of red rocks. Thanks, Okay, 340 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:13.000 I've seen this one hundred times before. What's the big deal? Well, 341 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:17.599 the big deal reveals itself when you start looking at 342 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:21.319 the details. Okay, And when I started looking at the 343 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:27.640 details as published by people years ahead of when I 344 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:31.279 even came across this stuff. See, the thing about the 345 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:35.119 documentary is that it's not really breaking any new ground. 346 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:41.160 All the information that was presented was already published either 347 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:49.160 in research papers or in videos, in books. So I 348 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:55.079 just took a you know, let's see a general look 349 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.960 at the entire landscape, and I said, there's a story here. 350 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.440 And I have yet to see anybody piece it all together. 351 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:07.240 There's so many different people working on Mars, but they're 352 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:12.160 all siloed and they don't necessarily like each other. And 353 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:17.519 the thing about Mars in general, the way I like 354 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:25.359 to frame it is Mars for me is the redheaded 355 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:32.960 stepchild of the disclosure topic. Okay, UFOs getting a lot 356 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.160 of attention these days, and believe me, that's really exciting. 357 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.920 There's a lot of reporting on UFOs, there's a lot 358 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.759 of interviews and such, But what are we lacking. 359 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:50.079 With UFOs actual physical evidence data? Oh there. 360 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:58.920 Evidence. Mars has virtually no reporting on it, but it's 361 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:04.559 got a shit ton of data evidence. And let's talk 362 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:08.279 about this word evidence, because a lot of people confuse 363 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:13.440 this word with the word proof. I when you hear 364 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:15.720 me use the word evidence, I'm using it in the 365 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:24.319 strictest legal sense. Okay. Evidence means suggestive of, proof means 366 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:30.359 conclusive of Okay. So you'll find no shortage of people 367 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:36.319 online saying how certain they are of something it is proof, 368 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:38.559 it is one hundred percent blah blah blah blah blah. 369 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:38.839 Okay. 370 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:42.920 That is not the language I choose to use, because 371 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:45.759 that can get you in a lot of trouble. And 372 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:51.200 with regard to communicating what has been discovered on Mars 373 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:58.720 by NASA, we have to really be careful with the 374 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:04.759 language that we use, and we have to ensure that 375 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:11.359 we are communicating two people without getting their defenses up. 376 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:14.359 Because when you start talking about all this crazy stuff 377 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.000 like you guys are touching on, people are like, okay, 378 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:19.400 this starts sounding a little wacky. These guys are nuts, 379 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:25.960 Like I'm out, So Nick, you know, having been somewhat 380 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.240 exposed to some of the deeper end stuff here, Ethan 381 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:31.839 sounds like you were too. You know, some of the 382 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.079 stuff in the first half of the film might seem 383 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:39.559 kind of mundane, you know, so we're talking about when 384 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.559 we're talking about water and you know, any potential evidence 385 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:48.319 for even just my chrobial life. Okay, but that's where 386 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.200 a lot of people are Okay. So I structured the 387 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:53.839 film as, look, if you don't know anything, that's okay. 388 00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:57.319 I didn't know anything either, and so I know what 389 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:00.400 my journey was like, and if I were, if you 390 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:02.359 start with the heavy stuff, it's just too much of 391 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:05.279 a shock for people. So I like to get a 392 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.359 sense of what people know and and get people thinking, 393 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:10.079 Like we were just talking about if Mars was a 394 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:15.880 blue planet, then what does that really mean, water life, 395 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:19.079 what kind of life? Well, if the planet was blue 396 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:26.039 for millions or billions of years, that means it was habitable. 397 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:31.279 Like look at ancient Earth. Ancient Earth was not habitable. 398 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:36.920 It was a hellscape, you know, volcanic activity, not not 399 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:42.119 a habitable atmosphere. You know, Earth wasn't like Earth, as 400 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:46.319 someone put it to me recently. Earth became Earth like 401 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:50.880 much later, but Mars was Earth like a long time ago. 402 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.799 So you know, there's a there's a gentleman in the 403 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.359 film who you know, presents the question if Mars was 404 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:01.039 like Earth, and if it had water, and if that 405 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.079 those conditions gave rise to primitive simple life, and if 406 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.000 that simple life evolved into an intelligent life, who then 407 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:16.039 built tools? You know, So there's a plausible way that 408 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:21.480 intelligent life, given enough time as we've seen here on Earth, 409 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:26.240 could have developed stuff. Now, without really seeing any of 410 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:31.359 the pictures or seeing any of the data, it's really 411 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:39.000 hard for people to buy into this. And while I 412 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:51.119 do criticize NASA for well, they have done a tremendous 413 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.119 job discovering a lot of stuff. They've given us insights 414 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:59.200 into our solar system, our galaxy, in the universe by 415 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.160 these fancies tools, the engineers that they got at JPL 416 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:06.759 making these telescopes and landers and warbiting systems. I mean, 417 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.680 it's just incredible work that that agency has done. They 418 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.480 have discovered a lot of things. Now where NASA doesn't 419 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:20.200 do such a good job is talking about what they've discovered. 420 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.599 So I'm sitting around here learning all this stuff about 421 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:25.839 Mars which're going to get into and I'm thinking, why 422 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:32.480 isn't everybody else talking about this? This is nuts? And 423 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:36.039 that's the thing. Nothing made it into this film without 424 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:42.400 me vetting it first, whether it be the original NASA 425 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:47.799 source images on their website, published data, everything. I didn't 426 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.119 just take people's word for it. I can't put my 427 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.279 personal and professional reputation on the line for life on 428 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:57.319 Mars just based on hearsay. I had to go back 429 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:01.440 and track all this stuff down. And that's that's the 430 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:03.519 respect that I pay to the audience, Like, look, I'm 431 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.440 not feeding you stuff that's just made up. This this stuff, 432 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:09.519 you could go look this up yourself. You know. People 433 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:18.279 say that, so what relative to UFOs microbial life may 434 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:25.880 not be that interesting, but in certain circles it's highly 435 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:31.400 it's a highly controversial issue, the thought of even just 436 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:35.880 simple microbes on a planetary body other than our own. 437 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.319 Some people will think you're absolutely nuts for even considering 438 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:43.839 the idea. And these people are well established, highly credential 439 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:48.839 PhDs working in academia or even these trusted institutions like 440 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:54.680 like NASA. So and that's the thing about our society 441 00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:57.440 is that we we do trust, for better or for worse, 442 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:01.680 we do trust in our institution since we NASA has 443 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.319 a pretty high approval rating. People love the work that 444 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:09.559 NASA does. Although it's just regarding transparency and the wake. 445 00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:13.960 In light of this topic of disclosure, they just don't 446 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.839 have a really good track record on So okay, let's 447 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.759 talk about the ice caps, Lisa. You brought out the 448 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:26.079 ice caps, believe it or not. While there is a 449 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.000 layer of frozen CO two in the ice caps, they 450 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:36.359 are primarily h two oh. It's kind of like ninety 451 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.759 two oh up to like a mile or maybe two 452 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.720 miles thick. It's it's incredible. And these things you can 453 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:47.240 see with a ground based telescope. You don't even need 454 00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:48.440 anything that powerful. 455 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:49.400 And so. 456 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.039 Just the fact that there's water on Mars. It's in 457 00:29:55.640 --> 00:30:00.599 frozen form, but there's water on Mars, not just in 458 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:06.160 the polar ice caps, but practically everywhere on the planet. 459 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.839 Just a few centimeters down, you dig a little bit 460 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:19.480 and you'll come across ice. So after meeting a few 461 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.559 different people along this journey of making this film, I 462 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:29.079 met one individual in particular. His name is Professor Richard Hoover. Now, 463 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.000 if you haven't heard of him, that's okay, many people haven't. 464 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:41.119 Professor Richard Hoover was the lead astrobiologist at NASA's Marshall 465 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:48.319 Spaceflight Center from nineteen sixty six to twenty twelve, and 466 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.319 he divulged a lot of stuff to me, But one 467 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.839 of the interesting things that he told me was that 468 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.599 there's certain species of microbes that lived directly in ice 469 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:04.759 and who have a natural anti freeze that melts the 470 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:07.279 ice around them, so they create their own little tiny 471 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:12.720 ocean and they can just absorb nutrients. So right there, 472 00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.920 there is a mechanism for microbial life to exist just 473 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:22.160 on within the ice of Mars. This is just this 474 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:24.240 is a possibilit We haven't even talked about testing yet. 475 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:28.079 This is just the possibility. So and as you guys know, 476 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:33.119 here's a question. Where do we know microbes exist. 477 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:38.119 In space everywhere. 478 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:50.079 And basically everywhere. Yeah, in the most extreme environments, including space, 479 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.759 they have adapted to survive. You can freeze them for 480 00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:57.079 millions of years and then thaw them out and they'll 481 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.279 still live. They live in the hydrothermal vents high up 482 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:05.160 in the atmosphere. They've even found microbes living directly in 483 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:06.400 nuclear waste. 484 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.640 So my question is. 485 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.720 Which scientist wants to go to bat for the idea 486 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:21.359 that it is impossible for microbes who live on the 487 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.839 surface of Mars, which does have an atmosphere it's not 488 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.839 that strong, not that thick like ours is. But certainly 489 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:30.799 the conditions on the surface of Mars are not as 490 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.480 harsh as the harshest conditions on Earth in which we 491 00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:40.359 find microbes. So this premise is just such a highly 492 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:42.480 contested thing. I'm getting this stuff out of the way first, 493 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:44.319 just because you know, for those who have no idea 494 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.559 about Mars, this is where the start of the story is. 495 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:56.440 And well, you might ask yourself, have we tested the 496 00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:03.000 soil of Mars for microbes? Let's let's show a poll here. 497 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.240 Raise your hand if you think that NASA has tested 498 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:14.160 the soil for microbes. Okay, well, see, this is this 499 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.440 is where I this is where I felt. NASA back 500 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.400 in nineteen seventy six, NASA tested the soil for microbes. 501 00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:29.400 That's nearly a half century ago. Okay, here's another question. 502 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:34.960 How many you guys have ever heard of the Viking Mission? Okay, 503 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.559 you guys know what it was all about, Maybe not 504 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.119 really much. I mean it was it was a half 505 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.440 century ago, right, so it was before some of us 506 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:52.000 were even born. Neywe everybody here, So the Viking Mission. 507 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.319 We want to launch this mission to Mars to see 508 00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:59.680 what the hell is down there, because we really didn't know. 509 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.960 You know, you got to think all we had was 510 00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:07.839 just pictures from Earth, black and white pictures. So the 511 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:16.159 Viking mission sent two probes to Mars. Each probe had 512 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.920 an orbiter that circled the planet and the lander that 513 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:25.039 went down to two orbiters and two landers. Now, can 514 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:28.239 you imagine back in nineteen seventy six getting something to 515 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:34.280 land on Mars without crashing like stuff will crash today. Now, 516 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.920 JPL's gotten really damn good at engineering this stuff to 517 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.320 making sure that doesn't happen. But like you know, India 518 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:44.400 sent something recently and they to the Moon and it crashed. 519 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:49.199 So back in nineteen seventy six, this is a feat 520 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:53.599 of engineering unlike anything else that had ever been done. Now, 521 00:34:54.719 --> 00:35:00.400 the two landers that landed on Mars, all they did land, 522 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.079 They couldn't move around. Okay. These two landers were equipped 523 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:14.960 with three different life detection experiments. Okay, there is one 524 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:20.679 of them that is most always is usually referred to 525 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:29.079 it because it is the most consequential. I have to 526 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.639 get into the weeds a little bit here because it's 527 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.599 really technical. But at the end of this you'll understand 528 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:42.280 why this one particular life detection experiment. I'll just tell 529 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.519 you how it works, really really easy. You take a 530 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:50.440 soup a soup, you take a scoop of soil, you 531 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:54.440 feed it some nutrients, and you see if any gas 532 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.639 comes out of it. And what it's testing for is 533 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:03.519 essentially just my crobe metabolism, respiration, or just the ingestion 534 00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.920 of food. And you know, of you eat food, you 535 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:06.679 produce gas. 536 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.800 That's it. Now. 537 00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.400 This test was developed by a gentleman by the name 538 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:19.360 of doctor gil Levin who designed this thing completely independent 539 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.000 of NASA because he was working as a sanitary engineer 540 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.039 needed to make sure that the water he was testing 541 00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.639 didn't have pathogens in it. He got wind back in 542 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:29.840 the early seventies that NASA is going to Mars, and 543 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.239 he's like, hey, you guys looking for Mars. Are you 544 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:36.559 guys looking for life on Mars. NASA administrator at a 545 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.199 cocktail party said yeah, in fact, we are. 546 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:38.800 We're going to go. 547 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:41.000 We're going to we want to send something there to 548 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.000 look for life on Mars. And so doctor Gilivin he's like, 549 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.519 guess what, I got just the thing for you. My 550 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:53.000 little gizmo tests the soil directly for micros and here's 551 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:54.719 how it works. And he told him how it works. 552 00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:01.280 This thing, this test was called, it's got a funky name, 553 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:08.159 the labeled Release experiment, and the labeled Release experiment was 554 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:13.679 tested over four thousand times on Earth and never produced 555 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.639 a false positive nor false negative. I don't know how 556 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.000 you guys add that up, but in my book, that's 557 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:25.000 a perfect test. It was sensitive enough to test to 558 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.880 discover just ten micro organisms within a cubic foot of 559 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.000 soil or something like that. Highly sensitive. So guess what. 560 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.719 They send it to Mars again on two landers to 561 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:46.599 go down. Now, who wants to guess what? The results 562 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:57.000 came back at both landing sites. This thing tests positive. 563 00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.519 Wouldn't this confirm the idea that there would be fossilized 564 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:04.760 microbes in the asteroids that hit up near the North Pole? 565 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:06.800 I know that was a big story, but they were 566 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.559 kind of crapping all over it. Don't these two confirm 567 00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:11.039 one another. 568 00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.280 We'll get to that because that is part of the story. 569 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:20.400 Get to that next. Now, why hasn't NASA for the 570 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:24.719 past fifty years now, why haven't they been telling the 571 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:30.199 public that they found we'll just say evidence evidence for 572 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:37.960 microbial activity on Mars? Well, Unfortunately, on the Viking mission 573 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:42.360 that they sent to Mars on these landers, they included 574 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:48.559 another test. And this other test, all it was supposed 575 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:53.239 to do was test the soil for organic matter. Okay, 576 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.280 now that test came back negative. So NASA was scratching 577 00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.960 their heads. How can you have life in the soil 578 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:05.639 without organic matter in the soil. They didn't know, so 579 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.920 they essentially called it and they said, ah, the tests 580 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.159 are inconclusive, We're not sure, and then later revised that 581 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:20.320 to absolutely no evidence. All right, But here's the thing. 582 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.119 Decades later, we started sending rovers everybody knows the Curiosity Rover. 583 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.920 The latest one was Perseverance. Well, guess what fifteen years ago, 584 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.880 maybe ten years ago, the Curiosity Rover found the organic 585 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.760 matter that they were trying to look for in nineteen 586 00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:42.519 seventy six. Turns out that test that they sent in 587 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.159 nineteen seventy six that did not find the organic matter 588 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:53.000 wasn't sensitive enough. And what makes it even worse is 589 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:58.079 that they knew it. They sent this organics test to 590 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.559 the soil to Antarctica to test the soil of an Arctica, 591 00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.159 and it didn't find organic matter in the soil of 592 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.280 Van Artica, and This was before they sent it to Mars, 593 00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.039 so they kind of knew it was a faulty test, 594 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.960 but they sent it anyway, and they let that be 595 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:17.559 the determining factor on whether or not there was life 596 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.320 on Mars, and that shaped the entire narrative from nineteen 597 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:25.599 six to seventy six until now. And doctor Gilivin, the 598 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.119 man who designed the labeled release experiment, who arguably discovered 599 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:34.679 life on Mars, was marginalized from the community, shunned by 600 00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.960 his peers. People are trying to pick fights with him 601 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:42.480 at conferences, telling him really nasty things, and he died 602 00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.440 right before I made the movie without ever having his 603 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.440 research vindicated. So this is a tragic tale. And I'm 604 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:55.920 hoping to write this wrong here because the question is why, 605 00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.679 in the wake of finding this organic matter, after they 606 00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.320 sent the Curiosity Rover the perfect better Design test, did 607 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.159 they not revisit those results from nineteen seventy six. They 608 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:13.840 just kind of let that go. So what's even more 609 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:19.079 interesting is that this is not the only evidence for 610 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.920 microbial life on Mars. Nick, how much time do we 611 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:24.960 have because I don't want to go into everything. 612 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:25.639 It's up to you. 613 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:30.199 I mean, I don't want to bore people this kind 614 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.119 of boring stuff here. 615 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:34.400 All right, this is good, Now, this is good. 616 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.440 This should bring up the idea that maybe there's a 617 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:41.920 dormancy type activities going on with these microes. 618 00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.519 Micros go into dormancy on Earth. So it could have 619 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:46.840 to do with the because I. 620 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:49.159 Mean, they're talking about organic matters, if that's the one 621 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:50.360 determining factor. 622 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.400 When it's not on Earth, right, yes, yes, that's a 623 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:58.840 very good point. Let's revisit the Curiosity we're over here. 624 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.599 I think it was twenty fifteen. I think those ten 625 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:06.840 years ago, twenty fifteen, the Curiosity Rover, when it discovered 626 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.079 that organic matter that had until that point been in 627 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.360 question whether or not it was there. It also discovered 628 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:21.800 a very particular, odd organic substance. It's odd simply because 629 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.599 most people haven't heard of it. Believe me, I didn't 630 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:28.400 either the Curiosity Rover. See Nick, some of this wasn't 631 00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.400 in the film. I learned this after making the film, 632 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:34.280 and thus I've continued the work on my YouTube channel. 633 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.159 We can get to that later. The Curiosity Rover discovered 634 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:40.920 the organic matter, and it also discovered a very particular 635 00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:50.719 organic substance known as die methyl sulfide. Okay, no one's 636 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:52.000 heard of dimethyl sulfide. 637 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.719 I've heard of dug methyl saltboxide. 638 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.760 Isn't it? Isn't it? 639 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:00.679 Isn't it? 640 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.519 What I mean there were bacteria prior to the Great 641 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:11.079 oxidation events that were metabolizer treating sulfide on dial disulfide, 642 00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:15.440 and that they were using Jobson and retinal to process 643 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:18.400 the Sun, and therefore planet was purple and not blue. 644 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:20.320 And so. 645 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:27.199 Was that similar to the same bacteria from Jobson based you. 646 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:29.519 Know, I'm not I'm not sure that's that's out of 647 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:30.760 outside of my experts. 648 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.320 Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, but here's. 649 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:36.079 What I can tell you. You guys know the James 650 00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:41.320 Webb telescope, right, Okay, it's the fancy telescope massa launched 651 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:45.159 a few years ago that's able to image galaxies hundreds 652 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:48.079 of millions of light years away, you know, back to 653 00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.440 the beginning of time, they say, And it's finding stuff 654 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:56.800 so far away, perfect crystal clear imagery. Sometimes there's been 655 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.199 some news articles that have been published within the past 656 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:04.440 six months saying how researchers using the James Web telescope 657 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:11.760 have found exoplanets, meaning planets orbiting stars millions of light 658 00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:15.880 years away with what appeared to be habitable atmospheres and 659 00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.960 signs of life. James Web telescope. You could just google 660 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.920 it right now. James Web telescopes finds exoplanets with signs 661 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.920 of life. Now, what is the James Web telescope looking 662 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:35.360 for to make that claim that it has found signs 663 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:35.719 of life? 664 00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:37.320 Microbes? 665 00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:46.280 Dimethyl sulfide. That's where that claim, that's how that claim 666 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:51.000 is being based. It's the dime. It's the signature, a 667 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.159 spectroscopic signature of dimethyl sulfide that they are finding in 668 00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:59.760 these exoplanets, which get scientists on Earth really excited because 669 00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:03.760 that is a very strong biosignature. Why is it a 670 00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:07.719 very strong biosignature? If you go to NASA's website today 671 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:14.079 right now, on their website, even NASA admits there's only 672 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:19.000 one way to make dimethyl sulfide, which is through active 673 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:27.559 microbial activity. You need microbes. Microbes make dimethyl sulfide. That's 674 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:32.599 the only process that makes dimethylsulfide. Now, sure you might 675 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:36.800 get some scientists and lab coats in a laboratory cooking 676 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:41.960 stuff up, but that doesn't count. Okay, The only natural 677 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.639 process that makes dimethyl sulfa and it's on Mars. So 678 00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:49.639 I think it's exciting that we're finding these biosignatures out 679 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.840 in deep space, but we're saying we're finding the same 680 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:58.559 biosignature right next door. Now, how come we're not making 681 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.400 a bigger deal about that curiosity? You're over found this? 682 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:02.920 Yeah? 683 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:04.800 Yeah, I think the question here has less to do 684 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:09.000 with is their life on Mars or anywhere else up there? 685 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:13.400 But why is it not being talked about? And more so, 686 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.519 why hasn't it been talked about? Like I mean, I 687 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:18.519 remember Art Bell used to talk about this all the 688 00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:22.119 time on a weekly basis. Sometimes in the nineties. They 689 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.519 were having discussions about the relative to what we're talking 690 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.159 about today, about the findings of the day. And then 691 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:32.000 when that shows when he passed, it's like this narrative 692 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:33.559 or people, it just stopped. 693 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:36.679 So why weren't they talking about it? 694 00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:36.880 Then? 695 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:38.960 Why aren't they talking about it now? 696 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.920 Well, it takes an awful lot of words to explain 697 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:46.480 all that. I mean, we're sitting here ten minutes later. 698 00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:47.800 I just had to get all that out. And that's 699 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:55.159 the condensed version this discovery of microbes on Mars from 700 00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:00.119 nineteen seventy six was more or less seen as a 701 00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:03.920 public embarrassment for NASA because they got the public excited 702 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:07.559 about going to NASA, about going to Mars and finding life. 703 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:10.559 They say, look, we're gonna go look for life, and 704 00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.760 then it came back inconclusive, and so they didn't want 705 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:18.840 here's the sad part. It's a lot of sad but 706 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.599 guess what. Okay, so the tests come back in conclusive 707 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.159 according to NASA in nineteen seventy six, you might think, 708 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.800 let's just send another one with better instruments five ten 709 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:38.920 years later. Now the question is have they done that? Yeah, no, 710 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:45.159 that's right. They happened, but they've made the public think 711 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:51.079 that they have. They're sending robots, but nothing that they 712 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:55.880 have sent since nineteen seventy six has been equipped with 713 00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:03.440 a direct life detection experience. They're only looking at geology now. 714 00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:07.840 There's no biology tests that they're sending. So what they're 715 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:13.760 looking for now are signs of ancient life, and that 716 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:17.280 basically means we're looking at the rocks to see kind 717 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.559 of how they evolved over the past few million years. 718 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.599 But they're not actually directly looking for life. It wouldn't 719 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.440 cost hardly anything to send something up there. They're just 720 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.239 avoiding the question because they don't want another public embarrassment, 721 00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.559 or it's really opening up a whole can of worms 722 00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.199 because the textbooks for the past fifty years say there's 723 00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.199 no life on Mars, so they don't want to look silly. Now, 724 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:44.360 this is a bit of speculation on my part, but 725 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.320 I'm sitting here trying to think what else could it be? 726 00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.360 Now we'll skip over the rest. There's actually okay, here's 727 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.679 one other cool thing you guys may not have heard, 728 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:55.559 and it kind of blew my mind, and I'm thinking, 729 00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:04.079 why haven't we followed up on this scientist, doctor Carol 730 00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:09.239 Stoker through the use of spectroscopy. Do you guys know 731 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.920 what spectroscopy is? Lisa, you're checking your you're nodding. What 732 00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:15.360 can you explain spectrosophy? 733 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:21.559 You're looking at the rectant refractance of a certain molecule, 734 00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:26.079 protein whatever that emits certain light at certain animators, and 735 00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:29.760 therefore you can kind of gauge its size or makeup 736 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:30.559 or anything like that. 737 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:33.039 Mm hmm, headless, giinta ce none to two? 738 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:34.880 Oh yeah, I was. 739 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:35.639 I was gonna say. 740 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.960 Spectroscopy can be used anytime you're looking up at an asteroid. 741 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.000 You could tell the makeup of the minerals inside that 742 00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.920 asteroid by how it burns through the atmosphere or colors it. 743 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:50.119 Takes right pectroscopy, right, Okay, Now this is this is 744 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:56.840 a solid tool that very serious scientists used to try 745 00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:59.800 to figure out what the substance is made out of. Okay, 746 00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.280 they use They published papers all the time. Here's what 747 00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:07.559 we found using spectroscopy. It is a credible tool. So 748 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:12.400 NASA scientist, doctor Carol Stoker, who still works at NASA today, 749 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.519 through the use of spectroscopy, well, guess what she found 750 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:29.119 on Mars. She found chlorophyll. Why hasn't anyone made a 751 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:34.559 bigger deal about that? Now? Is this proof? I'll just 752 00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:40.880 say it's evidence. But this is just where the story starts, folks, 753 00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:47.119 the boring MicroB stuff. So, but you have the biologists 754 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.719 over here in this camp. Then you have independent researchers here, 755 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:58.800 you have academics over here, and even Richard Hoover who 756 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.519 worked for NASA, Goodness, he had a whole lot of 757 00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.159 interesting things to say. They're not talking to each other, 758 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.039 and they think by publishing a paper the world's going 759 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.679 to change tomorrow. But it doesn't. They don't really make 760 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:17.599 good public relations experts. They're too busy doing science, too 761 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:21.159 busy publishing the work. So I felt, look, I'm just 762 00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.119 a guy who knows storytelling. I felt like I could 763 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:26.320 help elevate this material. And that's what I'm here doing 764 00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.519 with you guys today. I think you guys are great audience. 765 00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:31.559 You peaks so patient with me explaining all this stuff, 766 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:37.000 but it's it's kind of complicated. So we've got the 767 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.920 evidence from my krobial life. Nikki, look like you, we're 768 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.679 gonna jump in and say something. Okay, we've got the 769 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.400 evidence from my krobial life. Some of you might remember, 770 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.159 let's fast forward a little bit to nineteen ninety six, 771 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:54.400 when Bill Clinton was president. Headless giant. This might be 772 00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.880 what you were talking about before. But well, in nineteen 773 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:06.239 eighty four, a team of NASA scientists went down to Antarctica, 774 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.119 and will they do this all the time. They collect 775 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:15.000 meteorites that fall to Earth, and Antarctica is a great 776 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.239 place to look for because it's just nothing but white, 777 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:20.320 and you're looking for a black rock. It sticks out 778 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.440 like a sore thumb. And long story short, they found 779 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.519 an interesting meteorite and they brought it back and did 780 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:29.719 some analysis, and it wasn't really until ten years later 781 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:33.440 where they finally published what they found. And what they 782 00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:39.079 found was a Martian meteorite that contained what appeared to 783 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:43.079 be a little tiny piece of bacteria in it. And 784 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:48.360 this made so much This was such a big story 785 00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:49.760 that it went all the way up to the White 786 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.159 House and Bill Clinton actually had a press conference on 787 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.840 the White House lawn in nineteen ninety six about this 788 00:52:56.159 --> 00:53:03.079 rock having evidence for fossilized microbial life. Now, if you 789 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:07.000 look at that image today, it looks like a little 790 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.639 tiny worm, and sure it could be. It couldn't be. 791 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:13.119 There's some other reasons why it could be. And it's 792 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:15.840 a really famous image. And I'll still see articles in 793 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:20.639 my mainstream news feeds about scientists talking about this one 794 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.320 particular rock, and it took the world by storm, but 795 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.760 it in and of itself is highly controversial. And I'm 796 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:33.559 sitting down there at the Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama, 797 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:38.800 interviewing Professor Richard Hoover, who was NASA's lead astrobiologist at 798 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:42.840 Marshall Space Flight Center. Guy's in his eighties now, and 799 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.360 he tells me a little story about how when they 800 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:51.119 discovered this particular media right that he was shocked that 801 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.360 everyone is making such a big deal about it because 802 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:58.360 it was not the first meteorite to have been discovered 803 00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.880 to contain micro fossils in it. He's like, this is crazy. 804 00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.639 Everybody knows there's micro fossils and metia rights. I already 805 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:12.719 knew that. He's turns out, long story short, I did 806 00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.760 some homework on this, and they've been publishing on micro 807 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:21.920 fossils and metea writes since nineteen sixty six. And I've 808 00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:23.880 here we could start a little show and tell Nick 809 00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:33.440 if you'd like, here's an image. Let me just okay, 810 00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.719 So I said, Professor Hoover, you're telling me that we've 811 00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.639 known about microfossils since nineteen sixty six. He's like, yes, 812 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:43.760 in fact, I've published on a number of them myself. 813 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.760 And I said, well, how come I never heard about this? 814 00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:49.519 He says, I don't know. NASA just didn't want to 815 00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:52.880 talk about it. I said, well, if there only was 816 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.599 a picture, because the picture from that most famous media 817 00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:59.440 righte that went to Bill Clinton, this one called the 818 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:03.320 Allen Hills media right, Okay, I said, if there only 819 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.719 was a picture and I'm sitting there at Longhorn Steakhouse 820 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.079 at lunch with them. I said, if there only was 821 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:15.920 the picture goes huh. He whips out his tablet and 822 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:19.239 shows me something, and I'm going to show you what 823 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:27.079 he showed me. Let me present here. Sure screen, yes, 824 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:33.360 sure screen? Here we go, screen two? Is it? Yes 825 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:38.719 with me? Yeah, no problem, Here we go. Okay, guys, 826 00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:41.400 you tell me what does that look like to you? 827 00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:42.320 Can you guys see that? 828 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:48.559 Yeah? Gothics? 829 00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.960 Where are these a picture of the same same thing? 830 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:55.400 Just once like zoomed in? 831 00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:02.159 Yes, well there's a there's okay, what I'll tell you 832 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.159 what specifically these things are, Juliet. These are actually two 833 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.039 different samples, but yes, one is zoomed in. 834 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:15.320 Further, it looks like they are flagelli in that one 835 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:18.199 on the right, and then some other sort of organelles 836 00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:19.159 on the one on the left. 837 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.719 They look like gills or vacuums or vents. 838 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:25.719 Hey, let me ask you a simple question. Does this 839 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:28.079 look like a rock or does this look like life? 840 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:38.800 It looks like it looks like a parasite. Yeah, almost eggs. Yeah, 841 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:40.119 That's what I'm talking about. 842 00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:47.840 Okay, what you're seeing here are are are fossilized. These 843 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.519 are These were not living when these were discovered. But 844 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:56.719 what you're seeing here are known as diatoms. Has anyone 845 00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:01.440 heard of a diatom? Okay, see a coupleple nodding, lis, 846 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:02.519 So what is a diatom? 847 00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:08.800 It is a unicellular organism that is probably one of 848 00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:13.280 the most abundant organisms that has existed throughout the history 849 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:13.840 of the Earth. 850 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:20.679 Believe it or not, diatoms produce about half of the 851 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.079 oxygen that we breathe here on Earth. O. They're found 852 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:29.039 in the sea. These things are used for due to 853 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.119 their excellent filtration qualities. You can grind these things up 854 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:34.559 and you can use them. You guys ever have a 855 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:36.880 pool or know someone who has a pool, Sometimes you 856 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:39.159 hear that they have these kind of filtration systems called 857 00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:43.480 de filtering diatomaceous earth. That's ground up diatoms. 858 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.880 We'll use that to kill insects as well. Tide samaceous earth. 859 00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:50.920 You can sprinkle around your garden and they'll cut up 860 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.400 the legs and insides of the insects. 861 00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:55.599 Yes, it's just cuting. 862 00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:56.119 Can take it. 863 00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.559 You can take it as an herbal supplement as well. 864 00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:01.760 It's sort of parasites in your. 865 00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:06.800 Get interesting, so they've got some use. But diatoms are 866 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.840 quite common. And here what we see on the left 867 00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:17.519 here is two complete diatoms each other because. 868 00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:19.280 Because they're getting nasty. 869 00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:23.079 That's how they that's how they make new diatoones, is 870 00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:26.480 they This is the this is the mating ritual. 871 00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:27.719 And that's that's how they do it. 872 00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.880 If you got ejected from Mars's atmosphere, you would find 873 00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.079 the closest person next to you and hug them as 874 00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:34.559 hard as. 875 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:39.239 You could as well, Yes, I believe. I believe what 876 00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:42.400 just happened here was that they reproduced and that they 877 00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:47.320 were simply just frozen in time this way. And what 878 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:49.760 we see here on the right is a fragment just 879 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.199 zoomed and even further, I mean, these things look like ribs. 880 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.400 But I said, I looked at this image, and I'm like, 881 00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.920 how come the world hadn't seen this image? This is 882 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:04.159 clearly to the naked eye, to the untrained eye, rather 883 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:12.559 much more easily discernible as being life instead of the 884 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:16.440 most famous meteorite, Alan Hill's being talked about by Bill Clinton, 885 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:20.239 which is a magnificent discovery in its own right. But 886 00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.039 you don't need a degree to look at this and 887 00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:26.960 be like, you know what, that's life. Now again, this 888 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:31.519 is fossilized. Okay, so the main critique. And by the way, 889 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:38.760 the meteorite that these were in is known as the 890 00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.840 Orgell meteorite. It's a French word because it fell in 891 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.719 this town of Orgel in France in eighteen sixty four. 892 00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:48.119 All right, this is a known media right, but the 893 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:54.119 common criticism is, well, this is just terrestrial contamination. These 894 00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:59.480 are not extraterrestrial microbes. These are just little critters that 895 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:05.559 into the rock after the rock fell down to Earth. Well, 896 01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:12.719 there's a problem. These are fossils. Fossils don't hop Number one. 897 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:19.039 Number two, there's no nitrogen content in these things. Now, 898 01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:22.920 what's the big deal about that? Every living thing has 899 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:30.159 nitrogen in it. Nitrogen depletes from an organism, but it 900 01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:33.119 takes a really long time, thousands or millions of years. 901 01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:36.320 So these things have been dead for a very long time. 902 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.000 These things did not just hop into the rock and 903 01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:40.760 to the inside of a rock. I mean, my god, 904 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:46.039 how absurd. There's an astronomer who is kind of famous, 905 01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:49.079 Phil Plate, the bad astronomer. He was talking about this, 906 01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.119 criticizing this. For that reason, I'm like phil Plate, you 907 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.159 got to know the difference between a living organism and 908 01:00:54.280 --> 01:01:00.719 a fossil. So it's surprising to me something like this 909 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:03.800 isn't getting more attention. And this particular mediaite that fell 910 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:09.400 in France in eighteen sixty four, isotopic data highly suggests 911 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:17.800 that this was a Martian mediaite. Okay, so there's our 912 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:23.920 first bit of evidence, and there's more, there are more photos. 913 01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:28.440 That's just the best example that I've got to share 914 01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:33.840 with people. Now when you have the lead again, the 915 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:38.119 lead the guy running the astrobiology department at one of 916 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:45.280 NASA's facilities, saying he's discovered on multiple occasions multiple micro 917 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:51.440 organisms from extraterrestrial meteaites. Why are we not listening to him. 918 01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:53.400 Now? 919 01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:57.559 He retired in twenty twelve because he said the NASA 920 01:01:57.639 --> 01:01:59.800 that he started working for in nineteen sixty six was 921 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:02.280 not the same NASA that he was working for in 922 01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:07.800 twenty twelve. And unfortunately, this research got to be a 923 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.039 thorn in the side of NASA who didn't really want 924 01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:13.440 to embrace it. They couldn't refute it, but they really 925 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:17.039 didn't want to talk about it. The question is why 926 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:20.360 we can only speculate, but all of this research basically 927 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.000 led to his retirement, and I do a deep dive 928 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:24.719 with him and he tells the whole story about the 929 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:26.599 back and forth, what the events leading up to his 930 01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:29.599 retirement in these discoveries, and how they just didn't want 931 01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:33.360 him to talk about it. And so I was able 932 01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:35.480 to capture his story on my YouTube channel for those 933 01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:37.440 who care. I mean, it's a really long interview, but 934 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.360 this guy is brilliant. You listen to him talk and 935 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:43.599 it's like, this guy knows exactly what he's talking about. 936 01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:48.719 This guy, Richard Hoover, has been studying diatoms for decades. 937 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:53.440 He's an expert on diatoms. He's an expert on scanning 938 01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:58.920 electron microscopy, he's an expert on biology. The guy knows 939 01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.400 what he's talking about. So I had a great question there, Yeah, 940 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:03.440 go ahead. 941 01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:07.000 About the nature of these diatoms. Are they a separate 942 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.000 species from any of the other known diatoms on Earth. 943 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:13.800 I know there's a lot of variety in diatoms themselves 944 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:16.000 because they have that you know, carapace that comes in 945 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:19.599 all sorts of shapes and sizes, But is this separate 946 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:21.480 from all the species on Earth. 947 01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:23.920 That's the I think that should be one of the questions. 948 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:26.679 Right, Yes, you're absolutely right, and thank you for bringing 949 01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:31.360 that up. Because diatoms do come in all shapes and sizes. 950 01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.719 They just don't look like this, but some of them 951 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:43.960 look like this. Okay, And you know, Nick, George Howard 952 01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:47.559 is familiar with diatoms and meteorites, and we've talked about 953 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:50.519 this at length. Nick. You guys know George how the 954 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:57.159 Cosmic Summit organizer, quite often a lot of what diatoms 955 01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.840 actually look like. It's so funny how he refers to him. Nick. 956 01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:03.679 He's says, diatoms typically look like little tiny spaceships. They're 957 01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:04.719 so interesting looking. 958 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.079 So what does the expert say about what was happening 959 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.159 in that picture you just showed us. Was that two 960 01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:12.960 of them just happened to be next to each other 961 01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:15.719 or were they actually in the process of reproducing life? 962 01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:23.639 Yes, Richard Hoover believes that they had just finished. I 963 01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.000 guess it's a sexual reproduction. I don't know too much 964 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:27.559 about how they reproduce. 965 01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:27.320 But. 966 01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.440 To find I'll tell you this much, to find two 967 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.639 of them like that next to each other is rare. 968 01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.599 I mean, I don't know if you could really find 969 01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:40.599 another photograph like that fossilized diatom two of them like that. 970 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.679 He might have only ever seen one other, you know, 971 01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.239 for those interested in learning more about these dietimes in 972 01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.440 the work of this guy, I went down and I 973 01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:52.119 had to go interview them again after the film came out, 974 01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:54.320 because he has so much to say. I've got a 975 01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:57.840 whole nearly five hour long interview with this guy. He 976 01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:01.039 could tell you. It's titled The His of Microfossils and 977 01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:04.039 Meteorites from nineteen sixty six to two thousand to present day. 978 01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:07.559 You know, no, in nineteen sixty one, even earlier, like 979 01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:10.159 people were working on it even before him. 980 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.159 And I'm like, how come we haven't heard. 981 01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.320 About this stuff. It took us to nineteen ninety six 982 01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:18.400 to find out about this stuff. That's ridiculous. 983 01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:22.760 Can I say that it seems to me, even with 984 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.559 what you've presented here, which I know is the partial 985 01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:29.400 presentation of the totality of the information that you assimilated, 986 01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:34.320 it's it. It leads one, as you've suggested, to kind 987 01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:40.599 of say without hesitance that their silence and their omission 988 01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:45.480 of further research speaks volumes in a sense that you 989 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:50.559 don't try to hide something that doesn't exist. And it 990 01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:53.559 seems to me that there's something that they're offiscating, right. 991 01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:55.960 It seems to me something is being hidden. I don't 992 01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:00.159 know what, but I wonder if in your research to 993 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:03.800 heard rumors, you know, because it seems like other people 994 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:06.679 must you know, suggest the same kind of powdern. 995 01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:11.840 Yeah, Ethan, Basically, that's the whole line of questioning with 996 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:15.519 everything that's in the film. Why aren't they not acknowledging this? 997 01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:16.679 Why not that? 998 01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:17.760 Why not this? Why do that? 999 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:20.119 And if we could, we. 1000 01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:25.760 Could even bring a specific example of Nasta's I don't 1001 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:28.639 know if this really helps inform the discussion, but some 1002 01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.960 of you might be familiar with the fact that NASA 1003 01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:36.159 has been artificially coloring their images of Mars for decades, 1004 01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:39.360 making the planet peer a lot more red than it 1005 01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.679 actually is. I see a lot of nodding heads. 1006 01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:44.800 They do that with a lot of images. It makes 1007 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:47.119 all of their stories seem far less credible. 1008 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:52.840 I actually have a question about that very things. Yes, 1009 01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:55.559 maybe you cleared this up in the beginning. 1010 01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:55.960 I don't know. 1011 01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.840 I came in late, so you can just let me know. 1012 01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:02.840 We do you consider yourself to be like a conspiracy 1013 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:05.440 theory guy, a spiritual. 1014 01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:07.239 Guy, like a sci fi kind of. 1015 01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:10.639 I just want to know how to proceed with this 1016 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:13.320 question because I don't want to take to train too 1017 01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:16.960 far off the tracks because I'm full blown, like there's 1018 01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.639 probably something wrong with me. Bread'snot all the way cooked. 1019 01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:21.960 I don't want to freak you out. 1020 01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:26.159 What would you would you say you're a conspiracy theory 1021 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:26.719 guy or. 1022 01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:30.679 No? But I'll tell you this much, after going down 1023 01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:33.320 this rabbit hole and meeting a whole bunch of interesting 1024 01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:38.119 people and seeing what's being reported on, I'm certainly entertaining 1025 01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:39.880 a lot more these days than I used to. 1026 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:41.920 Okay, it's okay. 1027 01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:45.440 The whole microbe thing really does point to they have 1028 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:47.639 a narrative they are not willing to step on. 1029 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:50.880 Well, I think they found something else the first time 1030 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.599 they discovered the microbes. They got up there and they 1031 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.679 discovered the microbes. That's great, but they probably discovered something 1032 01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.719 else too. There's probably a whole underground civilization on that 1033 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:03.880 motherfucker chilling on the inside, some type of journey to 1034 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.920 the center of the air shit with waterfalls and fucking 1035 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:11.920 butterflies and everything. And they won't even talk about the microbes, 1036 01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:13.960 because when you talk about the microbes, then you got 1037 01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.880 to admit that there's some shit going on that goes 1038 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:20.319 way beyond finding the microbes. There's probably like some kind 1039 01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:23.119 of catastrophe that happened to Mars and fucked it all up, 1040 01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:26.840 and it drove the people inside, and we're just finding 1041 01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:29.600 like the remnants of their life and the and the 1042 01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:34.720 ecosystem and everything, like little fossilized fragments on the surface, 1043 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:37.000 and all those bitches is in their chilling. 1044 01:08:37.119 --> 01:08:40.760 On the inside, laughing. Every time we send it over. 1045 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.279 It's like you think they're gonna find us, and it's 1046 01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:46.560 like no, because they won't even talk about the microbes. Anyways. 1047 01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:49.720 This is very fascinating presentation. I always knew there was 1048 01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:50.720 something wrong with Mars. 1049 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:54.159 I was gonna be something. There's something bigger. There's something 1050 01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:55.800 bigger that it's being hidden here. 1051 01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:56.720 That's what I think. 1052 01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:59.800 That's what it saved, Tim. I mean, I agree, yeah, 1053 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:02.479 I don't. I don't know about the waterfalls. Maybe we 1054 01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:03.520 can just they got. 1055 01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:08.279 Waterfalls, they got the waterfalls, they got everybody like, if 1056 01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:14.079 there's micro fossils in the meteorites from Mars, then maybe 1057 01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:18.199 that suggests Mark as an atmosphere, which maybe explains why 1058 01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:22.239 there's Sidonia and a sphinx up there with a headdress 1059 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:24.920 and a semester face on the what used to be 1060 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:25.840 the pole of Mars. 1061 01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:28.399 Thank you, Tim, That's what I'm talking about. There was 1062 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:29.520 a whole civilization. 1063 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:33.039 Something happened to him, just like in Earth's history, where 1064 01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:36.359 all the ancient civilizations talk about a massive flood event. 1065 01:09:37.079 --> 01:09:40.760 Every civilization doesn't matter, it's not it doesn't even have 1066 01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:43.800 to be biblical. They talk about the flood story, how 1067 01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:48.399 they were driven underground into tunnels because they were avoiding 1068 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:52.800 this cataclysm. I think something similar happened on Mars and 1069 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:56.520 it drove the people inside. Anyways, Like I said, I 1070 01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:58.560 don't want to take the train too far off the tracks, 1071 01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:02.119 but I I have always been fascinated with that because 1072 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.720 I think that they've known about something for a long time, 1073 01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:08.439 and the microbes are just like the beginning of it. 1074 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:11.920 I think they're hiding so much like it would change 1075 01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.319 human history if they were ever to announce what they've 1076 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:16.279 really found. 1077 01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:23.039 Bran Well, if you mentioned chlorophyll earlier, and I think 1078 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:27.119 I know the answer to this, but that cannot be 1079 01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:32.199 found when it's ancient or is it something It must 1080 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:33.920 have been an ongoing chemical process. 1081 01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:38.159 The only thing that was published on this ethan was 1082 01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:45.520 an abstract a paragraph. NASA, someone who is more informed 1083 01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.840 about the situation, relate to me that NASA said, you 1084 01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:54.079 can't publish on this any further. So all we got 1085 01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:57.000 is an abstract. But what least we got that I. 1086 01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:02.600 Will say that diatom's You have algae classified as diatoms, 1087 01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:07.800 and algae utilized chlorophyll to photosynthesize, so you do have that, 1088 01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:10.079 and that could be it. 1089 01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:11.319 I do. 1090 01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:14.840 I'll insert this. I do think that a majority of 1091 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:19.600 scientists are myopic in their view of what life. The 1092 01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:22.920 definition of life is. No one wants to call a 1093 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:26.560 bacterial cell life because it gives, it almost gives the 1094 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.439 air of we are insignificant because there is so much 1095 01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:34.600 life around. Life is seeming it's bacteria. But when you 1096 01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:39.359 start to call bacteria life, the newspaper should say life 1097 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:43.520 found on Mars, and it doesn't because it's not going 1098 01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:46.319 to call bacteria life even though it is. And the 1099 01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:51.319 other thing that when we consider only be carbon based, 1100 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:56.039 we have further become more myopic in our definition. That's 1101 01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:56.800 that's just me. 1102 01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:01.199 Yeah, well, Sidley so Well said, and Julia, you were 1103 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:05.000 sort of dancing around exactly what this whole film is about. Okay, 1104 01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:08.800 I mean again, we're just on the boring microbe stuff. 1105 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:10.960 I mean we haven't even gotten the juicy. This is 1106 01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:15.800 not juicy relative to the other stuff. Okay. Now what 1107 01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.119 we can do here is we can pivot to something 1108 01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:23.439 else here. Okay, again, let's remind ourselves. If this planet 1109 01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:28.840 was once blue and we're talking about microbes, well, then 1110 01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:31.399 the next question is, well, is there anything bigger than 1111 01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:36.039 microbes that was ever on Mars? Turns out we got 1112 01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:40.000 some interesting photos. Let me cue something else up for you, guys. 1113 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:42.800 I was, but I didn't know if he didn't want 1114 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:44.000 to cover it and leave it for the movie. 1115 01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:46.600 Hey, we got time. 1116 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:49.199 Julie was talking about stuff. 1117 01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:51.319 He was kind of talking. You just tell me you 1118 01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:52.079 want to stop talking to you. 1119 01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:54.960 Okay, listen, did I put the cart before the horse? 1120 01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.800 I'm sorry. I didn't want to ruin the president. 1121 01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:01.680 We did a teaser. It's a user one. Okay, but 1122 01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:07.000 we're gonna get there. But at first, first, have you 1123 01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:09.439 guys let me ask you this. Just nod your head. 1124 01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:14.800 If any of you guys have ever heard of something 1125 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.119 called a crnoid. 1126 01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:22.720 I did once I show your show. 1127 01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:31.079 Okay, I'm trying to learn some shit over here, all right, 1128 01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:33.680 So nick I just shared something here. Okay. So what 1129 01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:37.479 we see here is something called a cryanoid. It's a 1130 01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:43.159 sea creature I call it. It's like a flowery starfish. Okay, 1131 01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:46.560 they are quite common. If you're a marine biologist, you 1132 01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:49.319 know exactly what a cryanoid is. Now, what you see 1133 01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:53.800 on the left is a fossil of what what is 1134 01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:58.239 called a stalked crynoid, a stalk. So that part on 1135 01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:01.840 the left with typically go down and anchor itself into 1136 01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:04.840 the seabed. Okay, So it's just it's sideways now because 1137 01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:09.880 we have a comparison. Okay, So it looks like a plant, 1138 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:14.000 but it's actually an animal. Sea creatures are funny that way. 1139 01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:15.279 All right. 1140 01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:18.640 Now, what you will see is you see the stalk 1141 01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:22.119 coming up. And while it might be hard to tell, 1142 01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:26.239 so I can zoom into it. It's uh, can you 1143 01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:27.560 guys see my mouse? Yeah? 1144 01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:28.399 I can? 1145 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:35.199 Okay, So it this process of branching out here is 1146 01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:42.800 called bifurcation. You know, it splits, it bifurcates. Okay, so 1147 01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:48.520 what I'm gonna show you next are two different images. 1148 01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:53.479 One is on Mars and one is on Earth. And 1149 01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:56.079 I want to see if you guys can guess which 1150 01:14:56.199 --> 01:15:08.279 one is which. Okay, all right, so we have something 1151 01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:11.920 here on the left, we have something here on the right. Now, 1152 01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:16.800 can you guys see basically we have a stem here. 1153 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:20.960 This one's curved, but it's bifurcating right here. And over 1154 01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:23.640 here we have a stem and it's bifurcating right here. 1155 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:28.399 Can you guys see that? Okay? So, so how many 1156 01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:33.439 people think the one on the left is from Earth? 1157 01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:38.680 I'll say that one's Earth, yeah, okay. 1158 01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:50.399 And on the on the right, you guys, the left Mars. 1159 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:50.840 Me too. 1160 01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:53.920 The one on the right looks like the same stem 1161 01:15:54.880 --> 01:16:00.399 from the picture that you just shut Okay, yeah, cud 1162 01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:01.119 does look similar. 1163 01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:05.319 Well, the one of left is from Mars, one of 1164 01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:06.239 the right is from Earth. 1165 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:12.399 Okay, Now it's the definition. 1166 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:22.640 What was claimed was that NASA, the NASA again, NASA Hello, NASA, 1167 01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:31.720 the Opportunity Rover in two thousand and four took this image, 1168 01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:38.720 the one that you see here on the left. This 1169 01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.520 thing is only about three or four inches big. It's 1170 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:49.479 really not that big. Okay, now this image. I caught 1171 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:51.680 wind of this image through you know, I have to 1172 01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:54.920 credit here the partner I worked with on the film. 1173 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:57.079 His name is Michael Craig. He's in England. He was 1174 01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:00.199 my subject matter expert and producer and he knew all 1175 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:02.560 about this stuff. So he told me a lot about 1176 01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:05.319 what I presented in the film, what we both resented 1177 01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:08.439 the film. So I took this image and I'm like, 1178 01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:10.039 you know what, I want to know what an expert 1179 01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:12.159 thinks about this image, but I'm not going to give 1180 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:15.560 him any context. So this image here on the left, 1181 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:19.039 and again I sourced this. It's cropped here for this presentation, 1182 01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:22.000 but I sourced this directly back to NASA's website. I 1183 01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:30.199 sent it to a paleontologist who specializes in marine biology 1184 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:34.840 marine fossilized biology. I sent it to a paleontologist at 1185 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.800 the University of Cincinnati, and to be kind, I won't 1186 01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:42.840 mention his name, and I just asked him what he 1187 01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:45.600 thought of it. And he said, oh, this is an 1188 01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:49.880 interesting sample. This looks either like a ce lily or 1189 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:55.560 a crynoid. Where did you get this specimen? I'm like, okay, 1190 01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:58.520 and I told him I got it from NASA's website 1191 01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:02.920 because it's an image from Mars. Never heard back from 1192 01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:08.039 the guy, so that was all I needed as a 1193 01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:10.880 filmmaker to say, you know what, there's legitimacy to the claim, 1194 01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:15.920 but this thing is a crynoid on mark. 1195 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:20.079 But there's an interesting factor as well. The one on 1196 01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:24.199 the left is more three dimensional. It's it's it's a 1197 01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:26.960 more defined image than the one on the right, which 1198 01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:31.720 is pressed, indicating there must have been less pressure or 1199 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:36.720 less gravity in making that. And there is less gravity 1200 01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:39.359 on Mars, so you would have more definition to that 1201 01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:43.640 photograph because it has more room in the in the 1202 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.319 process of becoming possiblist. 1203 01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:49.199 It's certainly possible. 1204 01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:54.960 If I could add to that, because you mentioned Brian, 1205 01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:59.880 you mentioned in Graham Hancock earlier. If I'm remembering correctly, 1206 01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:02.800 he has said that there's no doubt that Mars once 1207 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:08.920 had dense, impossibly earth like, an earth like atmosphere with life, 1208 01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:12.640 with oceans, rivers and rivers that ran for a very 1209 01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:15.640 long time, that it etched like deep channels into the 1210 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:20.279 surface of Mars. If that's true, I mean that is 1211 01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:23.239 that what we're looking at all the evidence. 1212 01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:28.520 Of Yeah, it's certainly plausible. And that's the that's the 1213 01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:31.920 that's the point is that if if the planet had 1214 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:38.039 ocean's lakes and rivers, thus most likely sea life, water life. 1215 01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:42.479 You know, the question is would it look anything like 1216 01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:47.399 Earth life? Right? Well, there's also the equally legitimate question 1217 01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:52.600 why wouldn't it look like Earth life? Because I'm with 1218 01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:53.560 you on that one. 1219 01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:55.760 I think it was similar. 1220 01:19:56.520 --> 01:20:01.439 Well, history shows that over millions of Earth and Mars 1221 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:08.600 have essentially I like this term swapped spit. Okay, rocks 1222 01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:11.600 from one planet end up on the other. Okay, back 1223 01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:15.800 and forth. This happens, all right, you guys, Remember, you know, 1224 01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:19.760 sixty five million years ago, big Meteia comes down, hits 1225 01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:23.119 the Earth, kills all the dinosaurs, and there's some dinosaur 1226 01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:24.760 conspiracies and all that kind of stuff. But when I 1227 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:27.840 getting into that today, Okay, big rock hits the Earth, 1228 01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:31.840 launches a bunch of material up into the atmosphere. A 1229 01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:33.640 lot of that material is going to rain back down 1230 01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:35.199 on the Earth. Some of it might orbit the Earth 1231 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:36.760 a little bit, but some of it's gonna get launched 1232 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.119 so far, so hard out into space that it's just 1233 01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:42.439 going to keep going because it has enough escape velocity 1234 01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:44.800 to escape the gravity of Earth, and yeah, some of 1235 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:47.880 it might end up on Mars, so we do know 1236 01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:51.600 there's been this exchange material. Now what you're seeing here 1237 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.119 is the actual full image, all right, and you can 1238 01:20:56.199 --> 01:21:00.520 see it right here. It doesn't really look this is 1239 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:05.119 a really boring photo. Now, if you were NASA, what 1240 01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:10.399 would you do if you discovered a potential fossil in 1241 01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:14.119 the side of a rock. You're not sure, but you 1242 01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:18.159 think it might be something, so you might want to 1243 01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:23.600 take a closer lot. Seems reasonable. 1244 01:21:25.239 --> 01:21:26.119 Well, what did NASA do? 1245 01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:30.279 Nothing? Probably they. 1246 01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:34.720 Ground it down to nothing. 1247 01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:37.760 Oh, come on, I. 1248 01:21:37.960 --> 01:21:42.479 See now the conspiracy theorist is just bursting out of me. 1249 01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:45.920 I can't with this. You know why they do stuff 1250 01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:46.239 like that. 1251 01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:49.119 Because they don't want people to know about shit. That's 1252 01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:53.600 why they do stuff like that. I don't think NASA 1253 01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:54.760 is the good guys, but. 1254 01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:58.520 You know, maybe I'm in the minority here or whatever 1255 01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:00.760 with that. But why would you do that? 1256 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:04.399 Why would you purposely ground it down so that we 1257 01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:06.239 can't ever see it again. 1258 01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:11.960 It's a government wide policy of not accepting that there's 1259 01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:14.600 life and out of space. It's on every level. They 1260 01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:18.399 always deny it and so NASA is just another government agency. 1261 01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:19.399 They have to deny it. 1262 01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:25.199 So Richard Hoover tells me the story because he was 1263 01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:27.960 working at NASA at the time this was discovered. Again, 1264 01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:31.439 he's the lead astrobiologist at NASA Marshall, and he called 1265 01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:37.520 NASA headquarters and he asked, essentially one of the lead 1266 01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:40.039 scientists at NASA headquarters, a guy named David McKay, why 1267 01:22:40.079 --> 01:22:42.880 did you guys ground into this thing? They used a 1268 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.720 rock what's called a rock abrasion tool to grind into it. 1269 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:51.479 And Richard Hoover recounts this telephone conversation he had with 1270 01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:55.640 the lead scientists at NASA headquarters who told him, well, 1271 01:22:56.199 --> 01:22:58.560 we were grinding into it to see if it contained 1272 01:22:58.600 --> 01:22:59.279 any carbon. 1273 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:06.199 Oh nah, sorry, sorry, don't. I'm not buying that brand 1274 01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:10.520 of boloney today. That is the most ridiculous. 1275 01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:15.239 I cannot even They take advantage of people trusting them 1276 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.520 because it's NASA. It's like, you can't question us. 1277 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:19.279 We're NASA. 1278 01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:21.560 It's not like you could be smarter than us, because 1279 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:23.760 you're just a retard and you don't work for NASA. 1280 01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:27.199 But they say stuff like that, and it's like, I'm sorry, 1281 01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:32.119 don't I don't buy that, like, why would you ground 1282 01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:35.399 it down to nothing? They don't do that with the 1283 01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:39.359 the archaeologists in Egypt when they're digging up all those 1284 01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:42.640 fucking tombs and shit, Oh, we find a skeleton, let's 1285 01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:45.600 grind it down to nothing so we can see if 1286 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:48.159 they're like, where's the logic in that? 1287 01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:49.640 I'm sorry, it. 1288 01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:53.720 Doesn't make sense, Julia's that's exactly the response. That's exactly 1289 01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:56.279 the appropriate response. There's no logic to it. And as 1290 01:23:56.720 --> 01:24:01.479 Professor Hoover recounts in his story his reaction to that 1291 01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:08.520 lead scientist David McKay, he says, what because David McKay, 1292 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:11.479 who was part of the team responsible for analyzing that 1293 01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:15.920 Alan Hills media rite when Bill Clinton talked about he 1294 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:22.560 was a geologist who of course knew paleontology, and imagine 1295 01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:26.159 finding a dinosaur skull. This is what Professor Hoover talks about. 1296 01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:30.560 He's like, imagine finding a dinosaur skull. It's fossilized, okay, 1297 01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:34.000 so if you crack it open with your hammer, you're 1298 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:36.800 not going to find brains inside of it anymore. It's 1299 01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:40.760 all been turned to rock. So he got a nonsense answer. 1300 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:46.279 One NASA astrobiologist to another is feeding him bullshit. So 1301 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:53.279 within three hours this was ground down to nothing. Now 1302 01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:55.439 there's a little bit more to the story, and I'll 1303 01:24:55.479 --> 01:25:00.680 tease that because we actually got some interestingly, grinding it 1304 01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:04.000 down provided us some extra evidence that this thing is 1305 01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:06.760 in fact a crinoid. That's the teaser. You can go 1306 01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:09.800 check out the film to finish this story. 1307 01:25:12.039 --> 01:25:15.760 It's quite their evil plan backfire. 1308 01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:21.319 Hey, you know what, Look, we're talking about a bunch 1309 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:25.079 of cool stuff here on Mars, and I wanted to 1310 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:28.760 try to do my due diligence and give NASA chance 1311 01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:32.079 to respond to everything that was in the film. I 1312 01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:34.079 guess what. They didn't want to talk. 1313 01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:38.560 To mel did not gonna talk to me. 1314 01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:42.960 JPL did not want to talk to me. Okay, and 1315 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:46.199 three other institutions that I went to did not want 1316 01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:48.560 to talk to me. So what am I supposed to do? 1317 01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:51.640 Because I'll hear people from time to time saying, well, 1318 01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:54.359 your documentary is not balanced, it doesn't include the other side. Well, 1319 01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:57.439 guess what, the other side didn't want to talk to me, right. 1320 01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:01.439 So they're either gonna respond or they're going to In 1321 01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:04.159 the case of Spielberg, they send him a forty page 1322 01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:08.000 letter on why he should not release Close Encounters of 1323 01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:10.920 the Fifth Kind because they didn't want that information out 1324 01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:12.640 or they're just not going to respond. 1325 01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:22.359 So you know, I tried, guys, I tried. I'm not 1326 01:26:22.399 --> 01:26:24.680 going to go over everything that's in the film because 1327 01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:28.000 it wonders just a couple more kind of exciting things, 1328 01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:31.479 just to just to advance this conversation. And by the way, 1329 01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:34.600 that's not the only example of a fussle on Mars. 1330 01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:37.439 We talk about more in the film. I've learned about 1331 01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:41.279 even more since the film has come out, Julie, I 1332 01:26:41.279 --> 01:26:45.800 guess to answer your question a little bit more extensively here, 1333 01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:49.680 I don't go to bat for something unless I got 1334 01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:55.640 the receipts. Now, I take it, just by the general 1335 01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:58.359 vibe of the room here that it seems like these 1336 01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:02.920 receipts are working for those who I call the uninitiated. 1337 01:27:03.159 --> 01:27:04.960 You guys have never heard about this stuff, because I 1338 01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:07.239 didn't hear about this stuff either, and when I did, 1339 01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:11.760 I'm like, what the hell man? And again, this is 1340 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:15.119 really just kind of the beginning of the story, because 1341 01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:17.439 there is a story about Mars. I think Julie were 1342 01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:22.000 alluding to that if there was like because we think, oh, well, 1343 01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:23.880 Mars is this planet. Maybe there was life there in 1344 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:26.640 the past, maybe there were people there. Well, if there was, 1345 01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:30.760 wouldn't there be remnants? Okay, and here we have biological 1346 01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:37.960 arguably is evidence for biological remnants. Now what about non 1347 01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:45.079 biological remnants? Like, what are we talking about there? Okay, 1348 01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:49.640 there's no shortage of people online talking about interesting things 1349 01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:51.239 they might have found in photographs. 1350 01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.239 Yeah, and the. 1351 01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:02.279 Huh we'll get to that in just a second. Before 1352 01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:06.079 we get there, though, let me show you this image. Okay, 1353 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:11.880 let me just show you. Here's one of dozens examples 1354 01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:23.199 of Rover photographs that, at first glance, don't really look 1355 01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:28.760 too interesting, because what do you guys remember about Rover photographs? Boring? 1356 01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:39.680 Just a bunch of rocks? Next right, move like, okay, 1357 01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:41.319 what's the big deal? 1358 01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:43.079 That's a foundation. 1359 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:48.520 Now I'm gonna blow this up a little bit more. 1360 01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:51.159 Can you guys just take a close look at this 1361 01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:54.399 photograph and see if there's any particular object in here 1362 01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:56.199 that just doesn't seem like the rest. 1363 01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:01.000 Is this shit I just started I'm looking at or 1364 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:02.920 is this something microscopic? 1365 01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:04.000 I'm looking at this? 1366 01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:06.760 It is like you're looking at the side of a hill. 1367 01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:08.920 It does stick out like this. 1368 01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:13.319 Okay, this, this is a This is a Rover image, Julia. 1369 01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:15.199 So you're basically looking at a hill that's you know, 1370 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:18.479 let's say, ten fifteen meters away or something. 1371 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:25.000 Oh yeah, the right corner is this somewhere? Lollo, Shit, 1372 01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:26.560 I can't see anything. 1373 01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:29.079 Okay, don't worry, don't worry, don't wor Okay, So some 1374 01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:35.840 of you are seeing this thing. Okay, some of you 1375 01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:41.640 are seeing this thing right here? Julia. Do you see 1376 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:42.119 that right here? 1377 01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:44.319 Okay, yeah, I see it now. 1378 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:49.199 I'll zoom in in just a second. But what how 1379 01:29:49.239 --> 01:29:52.239 would you describe what you're seeing there? And why is 1380 01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:57.560 your eye drawn to it? You know, tim Ethan anybody else? 1381 01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:03.560 It's true, uniforms to be natural, right, it's too complex 1382 01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:08.359 of a smooth shape, poultry? And how would you describe 1383 01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:09.760 the overall landscape here? 1384 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:11.640 Irregular? 1385 01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:12.479 Rugged? 1386 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:13.880 Yeah? 1387 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:16.560 Isn't it all right? So? 1388 01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:18.119 What is it? 1389 01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:22.399 This one? Nope? Okay. There's a guy in Israel who 1390 01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:25.680 does some image processing. He's an independent Mars researcher. He 1391 01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:30.680 does nothing else in his spare time but sift through 1392 01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:35.359 thousands and thousands of Mars rover images. His name is 1393 01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:37.159 Rommy Barr Alone. You'll see it there in the right 1394 01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:41.319 lower hand corner there and Robmy, if you're watching, God 1395 01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:43.880 bless you, buddy, you do some amazing work. He found 1396 01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:48.399 this thing. See, that's the thing. NASA took the picture. 1397 01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:53.680 But NASA doesn't talk about the picture. They just publish it. 1398 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:56.560 They're legally obligated to publish, but they don't got to 1399 01:30:56.600 --> 01:31:01.319 say shit, and they don't want to because that opens 1400 01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:03.720 up a whole can of worms. How do you have 1401 01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:06.399 something that appears to be well, now, what does this 1402 01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:08.840 look like? I'm not even going to characterize it. What 1403 01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:10.479 do you How would you guys describe this? 1404 01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:12.239 Big is this? 1405 01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:15.399 How big is this thing that I'm looking at right here? 1406 01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:17.720 Well, it's it's an object that you can see from 1407 01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:20.600 ten or fifteen meters away. So I don't have the 1408 01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:22.920 exact measurements, but it's big enough to be spotted by 1409 01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:25.680 the naked eye from let's say, you know, ten or 1410 01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:26.600 fifteen meters away. 1411 01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:30.439 Okay, it's traffic code from Earth. 1412 01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:35.479 So that's how big it is. It's like the size 1413 01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:36.640 of a traffic come. 1414 01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:42.560 It might be now like it would be part of 1415 01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:47.439 a mechanical of some sort of celebration arms machine. 1416 01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:49.840 Yeah, that's all. 1417 01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:55.279 It's like, Yeah, that's what I want to say. It 1418 01:31:55.399 --> 01:31:59.079 looks like a pipe. That's how the motherfuckers get from 1419 01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:00.680 the surface to Earth. 1420 01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:05.600 They use the pipe systems. They got systems. You guys 1421 01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:07.680 are laughing, and you know they have systems. 1422 01:32:07.920 --> 01:32:10.239 That's how they be getting back and forth. 1423 01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:14.359 Is actually it's a slushy. It's a slushy. 1424 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:20.159 They don't have slushies. They're very health conscious on Mars headless. 1425 01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:25.479 I'll tell you how I'm interpreting this image not as 1426 01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:33.079 a pipe, but as a column O buried, a column 1427 01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:34.800 that's fallen over. That is just what it looks like 1428 01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:36.359 to me. I don't know what the hell it is, 1429 01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:38.000 but just what it looks like to me. It looks 1430 01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:41.239 like a column fell over, because what do we see here? 1431 01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:46.560 We see smooth on that surface, on this surface, and 1432 01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:47.279 this is. 1433 01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:49.680 Yeah, it's pretty impressive circular. 1434 01:32:52.119 --> 01:32:55.079 I was going to see that is there a scale 1435 01:32:55.159 --> 01:32:55.680 on this thing? 1436 01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:58.000 So that I mean, I'm sorry, I don't have a 1437 01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:01.720 scale with me. It's it's you know, Ronny might be better. 1438 01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:03.880 You know, Robby's got a whole website dedicating to this stuff. 1439 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:08.239 This is one of his amazing finds. Okay, you know, 1440 01:33:08.319 --> 01:33:09.279 but Robby's. 1441 01:33:08.920 --> 01:33:11.600 Over there is a stone circle. If you look around 1442 01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:13.439 at the outside, it looks like a stone circle. 1443 01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:17.359 Well, yeah, I mean this is it looks like a 1444 01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:20.039 perfect circle here on the end. Is that what you're saying? No? 1445 01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:21.880 No, on the outside of it. 1446 01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:24.760 If this thing is huge, like a megalith, on its side, 1447 01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:27.279 there are a bunch of little rocks on the outside 1448 01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:30.279 that would indicate like a stone circle that they haven't. Oh, 1449 01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:39.800 I see, yeah, so that's like, you know, thirty meters 1450 01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:41.319 across that it's fallen over. 1451 01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:44.720 That could be you know, good indicator what that is. 1452 01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:49.760 Yes, so this was taken by the Opportunity Rover. You know, 1453 01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:54.640 certainly we've had other rovers there. But the question is 1454 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:58.720 why did we not go take a closer look? Why 1455 01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:02.720 didn't we drive the robe closer to this thing? And 1456 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:08.159 the only answer I could possibly imagine, other than well 1457 01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:10.000 we're just not interested. We're gonna pretend we didn't see 1458 01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:14.279 that is a plausible explanation, might be, well, we don't 1459 01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:20.039 want the rover to get stuck. But guess what, These 1460 01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:24.560 rovers are designed to literally drive over rocks. Okay, and 1461 01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:26.600 I show that in the film, you can see these 1462 01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:30.560 things driving over rocks that are this big and there 1463 01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:33.000 doesn't appear to be much standing in the way of 1464 01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:36.600 a rover, and that interesting thing there, why I get 1465 01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:38.800 a zoom lens on it at least? Right, we're just 1466 01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:41.479 gonna let that one go. Okay, again, this is just 1467 01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:48.119 one of dozens of rover images. Yeah, I could would 1468 01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:49.800 spend all night on just rover images. That I'm not 1469 01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:52.119 going to because you know, we got other interesting things 1470 01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:52.760 to talk about. 1471 01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:55.000 Yeah, you do have a lot of the movie just 1472 01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:56.399 for the people to hear. He has a lot of 1473 01:34:56.439 --> 01:34:58.359 images of weird shit on Mars too. 1474 01:34:58.359 --> 01:34:58.439 So. 1475 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:05.960 Yeah, lots of weird shit. Okay, so let's talk about Okay, 1476 01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:12.560 one more rogure image, just one more, one more because now, 1477 01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:17.520 as you guys might suspect these these rover images, some 1478 01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:21.720 of them are taking it quite high resolution. Okay, but 1479 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:24.840 they show a giant landscape like what we just saw. 1480 01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:30.199 But unfortunately, when you spot something that's odd and you 1481 01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:33.000 zoom into it, what happens when you zoom into an image, 1482 01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:41.239 sometimes it becomes and yeah, right, okay, So a lot 1483 01:35:41.319 --> 01:35:45.319 of the time what these Mars independent researchers do is 1484 01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:48.560 de noise and try to get rid of some of 1485 01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:53.640 the pixelizations, but retaining the ultimate quality or the characterization 1486 01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:57.520 of the objects. Okay, So they might adjust some of 1487 01:35:57.600 --> 01:35:59.399 the contrasts and things like that, but they are not 1488 01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:03.359 changing the fundamental shape of these things that they present. Okay, 1489 01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:05.880 And I've seen them before and after again. I wouldn't 1490 01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:07.920 go to bat for this if I didn't believe in 1491 01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:11.680 their work. It's not really mischaracterizing it. So here's another 1492 01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:15.479 interesting image. Again, this is blurry but kind of cleaned up. 1493 01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:21.479 And you tell me what this looks like. One of 1494 01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:27.920 the strongest pieces of photographic evidence. Photographs are evidence. When 1495 01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:30.680 people say there's absolutely no evidence, roll allah l Well, 1496 01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:35.680 here's a photograph in a photograph. You submit that in 1497 01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:39.239 a court of law as evidence. Here you go, your honor. 1498 01:36:39.279 --> 01:36:42.439 Here's a photograph of them guys stabbing that other guy. 1499 01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:45.399 Here's you go. Here's there it is? Okay, what do 1500 01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:52.079 you guys see? Here it's loading also, there go. 1501 01:36:53.560 --> 01:36:55.159 I remember this one too. It was like, what the 1502 01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:59.399 fuck is that? It's like the tiest fellow is of drugism. Shit. 1503 01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:03.159 Now, I can't tell you exactly how big this is. 1504 01:37:03.279 --> 01:37:09.079 This is just one of many things in a giant landscape. 1505 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:12.760 We had to zoom really far into it, just the 1506 01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:14.880 contrast just a little bit. But if you look at 1507 01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:19.720 the unaltered photograph, you will see this in there, and 1508 01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:25.760 it's barely observable, just because there's so much else in there. 1509 01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:28.479 But I've done it. I've sourced the image and I 1510 01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:30.960 looked at it, and this is just a cleaned up 1511 01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:35.439 version of what you find in there, regardless of what 1512 01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:40.720 you might think it is. What shape does it have? 1513 01:37:42.640 --> 01:37:46.960 So I've got a bar bell in the other room 1514 01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:47.640 that looks like that. 1515 01:37:49.640 --> 01:37:54.319 That is an ancient barbell from the Inner Earth people, 1516 01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:59.000 you said, I'm sorry, Inner Mars people, Inner Mars people. 1517 01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:01.640 But you know, depending on how big it is, it 1518 01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:05.520 could be a structure too, or you know, a double 1519 01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:09.119 domed structure with like a little hallway in between, or 1520 01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:09.720 something that's. 1521 01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:13.079 Clearly an engine from one of those John Carter airships 1522 01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:13.880 that blew up in the. 1523 01:38:14.079 --> 01:38:17.239 H I think it looks like it came off a 1524 01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:23.239 horse and buggy or something in it definite looks like 1525 01:38:23.279 --> 01:38:24.199 wheels an axle. 1526 01:38:24.279 --> 01:38:27.640 To me, it looks like a kid's toy wheels. 1527 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:29.560 I'll tell you what. 1528 01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:32.319 It don't look like it don't look like some random 1529 01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:35.479 rocks and dirt and ship that they say this like 1530 01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:40.640 that's all Mars has on it. Definitely reeks of there 1531 01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:42.279 was something else going on here. 1532 01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:43.079 Definite. 1533 01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:49.720 Yeah, and this is probably just maybe a foot large 1534 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:54.640 just given my estimation based on the image that the 1535 01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:56.039 big image that I don't have it in front of 1536 01:38:56.119 --> 01:38:58.319 me with the big image that I've seen of this. 1537 01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:01.039 But again, you got I credit these guys that they're 1538 01:39:01.079 --> 01:39:02.880 looking at an image with tons of shit in it 1539 01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:06.359 and they're just taking their time meticulously scanning everything. Oh wait, 1540 01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:08.560 that looks odd let's zoom up when there clean it up. 1541 01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:12.119 Rommy again from Israel. Nobody knows this guy. But there 1542 01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:15.079 is a thriving Mars. I shouldn't say thriving. There is 1543 01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:18.720 an existing Mars community that does this kind of work, 1544 01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:21.279 and they are owed a debt of gratitude for spending 1545 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:23.640 their spare time finding these things for the rest of 1546 01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:27.479 us to enjoy. So my goal is to try to 1547 01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:30.239 highlight their work and elevate it for the rest of 1548 01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:34.680 us to see, so that this story of Mars starts 1549 01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:38.600 to crystallize. So let's just move on to something a 1550 01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:39.600 little bit bigger. 1551 01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:45.520 Can I say something, Brian, Yes, you know, what I 1552 01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:50.319 think of the Mars story is like I got it, 1553 01:39:50.479 --> 01:39:54.279 like in one hundred years from now or whenever some 1554 01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:58.159 type of huge cataclysm hits Earth and all the ritually 1555 01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:04.279 assholes take off, they repopulate somewhere else, and whenever they 1556 01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:07.920 get to that planet, you know, they just forget. 1557 01:40:07.640 --> 01:40:10.039 About Earth and act like it never existed. 1558 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:15.000 And then eventually, like generations later, they're taking rovers and 1559 01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:17.279 they're putting them on Earth and they're finding like taco 1560 01:40:17.439 --> 01:40:21.000 bell sporks, and they're like, look at this, there was 1561 01:40:21.239 --> 01:40:24.279 life on this planet. Like I'm serious, this is what 1562 01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:26.880 we're finding on Mars and we're like, what is this? 1563 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:27.520 What is that? 1564 01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:31.640 And like back then it was they probably had megalithic structures, 1565 01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:34.560 they probably had school buses, they probably had life, they 1566 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:39.640 probably had a routine, families, all that animal husbandry, all 1567 01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:43.640 of it. But it was wiped out, it was decimated, 1568 01:40:43.720 --> 01:40:46.279 and now we're just finding the taco bell sporks. But 1569 01:40:46.680 --> 01:40:51.039 I think that Earth very well, something like that could 1570 01:40:51.119 --> 01:40:55.680 happen to us and thing gets decimated and they have 1571 01:40:55.800 --> 01:40:56.920 to start over somewhere else. 1572 01:40:57.000 --> 01:40:59.079 I mean, I think this is a very real possibility. 1573 01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:00.920 We're Julie were in there. 1574 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:05.640 Because these images aren't obstacle illusions or natural features. I 1575 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:10.079 don't think that's a I think that's a big telltale 1576 01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:11.640 for me. And it's like, I don't know, Brian, if 1577 01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:16.560 you ever heard of doctor Tom Flander, but he was, Yes, 1578 01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:20.039 he's like a doctor of astronomy or was a doctor 1579 01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:22.520 of astronomy for you, and he did a three year 1580 01:41:22.560 --> 01:41:25.600 study on this stuff, including I think the face on Mars, 1581 01:41:25.640 --> 01:41:28.479 and that's kind of what that study was showing was 1582 01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:32.680 that it's not obstacle illusion and it's not natural feature. 1583 01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:38.359 Mm hmm. Yeah, for tonight, the face on water is 1584 01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:40.800 going to take too much time to cover. But yeah, 1585 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:46.079 there is something to it beyond it just looking like 1586 01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:52.319 it might be a face. There's actually quantitative data numbers 1587 01:41:52.359 --> 01:41:56.319 and shit measurements and stuff that indicate it was designed 1588 01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:02.319 with symmetry and geometry in mind. We touch upon it 1589 01:42:02.399 --> 01:42:05.560 in the film You Can Talk. I interviewed doctor Mark Carlotto, 1590 01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:07.920 who talks a lot about that, another one of these 1591 01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:12.399 guys back in the eighties analyzing this stuff. And I'm 1592 01:42:12.520 --> 01:42:16.000 currently at work on producing a follow up for my 1593 01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:18.399 YouTube channel, specifically on the face of Mars because I've 1594 01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:22.960 learned even more about it since I finished the film, 1595 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:26.479 and I'm like, holy shit, how I need to do 1596 01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:29.479 more on this. The world needs to know about this stuff. 1597 01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:32.840 So I'm actually driving up to New Jersey to meet 1598 01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:36.479 a guy, Matt Barone. He has a Curious Dimension podcast, 1599 01:42:37.279 --> 01:42:40.079 great guy who just so happens to be a geometry teacher, 1600 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:42.479 and we're going to talk about the significance of the 1601 01:42:42.520 --> 01:42:45.560 geometry of the Face on Mars in this video. So 1602 01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:47.640 we're gonna save that for later. 1603 01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:50.000 Now, Yeah, I mean I saw it from the Face 1604 01:42:50.119 --> 01:42:53.239 on Mars. There's other pictures, and I think the ones 1605 01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:55.319 that you've shown are they are great. And in fact, 1606 01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:57.319 that last one you just showed, or the last two 1607 01:42:57.399 --> 01:43:00.920 you just showed, I saw shadows. I saw shadows in 1608 01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:03.000 the last one too, and I don't know that optical 1609 01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:04.239 illusions have shadows. 1610 01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:05.600 So I'll just leave it at that. 1611 01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:10.199 Yes, of course these are photographs, man, you can pull 1612 01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:13.239 them from NASA. So let's move on to something a 1613 01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:19.079 little bit bigger. Okay, Now, in nineteen seventy six, you 1614 01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:24.399 guys know Carl Sagan. Oh yeah, you guys remember the 1615 01:43:24.439 --> 01:43:25.840 original Cosmos series. 1616 01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:28.239 Oh god, yes, yeah. 1617 01:43:29.079 --> 01:43:34.760 Nineteen eighty. Okay, you can find it on DBD. Still, 1618 01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:38.760 there's an entire episode about Mars, and at the very 1619 01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:45.319 end of that episode, Carl Sagan is talking about photographs 1620 01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:51.239 taken from the orbiters that NASA sent to Mars. So 1621 01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:55.119 satellite's taking pictures from space of the surface of Mars, 1622 01:43:55.640 --> 01:44:04.680 photographing some interesting structures, and Carl Sagan himself, in his 1623 01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:11.159 book Cosmos and the TV series Cosmos, uses the word pyramids. 1624 01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:16.880 I'm going to show you some of these interesting structures. 1625 01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:23.640 I cannot say with certainty that they are pyramids, but 1626 01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:32.840 I'm wondering what natural geological form method forms these things. 1627 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:35.279 I don't have a solid answer on that. I'm going 1628 01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:37.119 to show you just a couple of these things. You 1629 01:44:37.279 --> 01:44:44.039 tell me, Okay, So, if anyone wants to criticize me 1630 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:45.840 or anybody else in the Mars community for using the 1631 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.319 word pyramids, well we got to go back and we 1632 01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:50.880 got to listen to Carl Sagan. He's the one characterizing 1633 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:54.720 them as such. And we all love Carl Sagan. He's 1634 01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:57.079 a well respected scientist. God bless me, he's not with us, 1635 01:44:57.159 --> 01:44:59.680 But anyway, let me share it with you this So 1636 01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:02.840 let's rewind the clock back to nineteen seventy six. NASA 1637 01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:06.840 sends these landers down to the planet, takes these measurements 1638 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:13.079 and photos. By the way, it took a picture of 1639 01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:19.039 snowfall on Mars. It snows on Mars. There's clouds on Mars. 1640 01:45:20.520 --> 01:45:23.840 They have Christmas on Mars. I'm telling you, they're in 1641 01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:26.720 the ground the. 1642 01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:34.039 Mars like right, Well, the atmosphere of Mars is said 1643 01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:35.960 to be so thin that it's not supposed to be 1644 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:38.119 able to produce clouds, that's what they always say. 1645 01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:41.159 But well, NASA's got photographs of them. You know, they 1646 01:45:41.239 --> 01:45:44.319 just don't talk about this stuff. And that's the surprising anyway, 1647 01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:49.640 off one water. So they send these orbiters, also the 1648 01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:53.880 Viking orbiters. They're taking pictures in nineteen seventy six, and yes, 1649 01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:56.560 that's where we get the original face on Mars photograph. Okay, 1650 01:45:57.760 --> 01:46:00.239 but they also started taking pictures of other parts hearts 1651 01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:04.239 of the planet. And Nick, I'm gonna share it again. 1652 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:09.560 Here they took a picture. 1653 01:46:10.720 --> 01:46:20.600 Here, look at this ship. 1654 01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:22.239 Yeah, it's like very circular. 1655 01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:25.520 Yeah, but the little thing beside it. 1656 01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:30.680 Okay, so the big circle on top, what is that? 1657 01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:34.760 What do I mean? 1658 01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:41.439 Yeah, it's an impact crater, and you can see all 1659 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:45.479 the ejected material right that's been scattered all around it, 1660 01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:52.960 right right, This thing down here does not have any 1661 01:46:53.039 --> 01:46:57.880 of that ejected material on top of it. I don't 1662 01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:00.159 know what this looks like to you, but I'm in 1663 01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:04.479 some kind of an indication here that this thing is 1664 01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:08.279 not perfectly circular. You know how you look at a 1665 01:47:08.359 --> 01:47:11.279 volcano from the top down. It's circular. It doesn't have 1666 01:47:11.479 --> 01:47:20.840 what appeared to be sides, And logic would present that 1667 01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:30.079 if this structure was there before the meteor came down 1668 01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:34.760 and made that big hole, would it still be standing 1669 01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:41.439 being so close to it. So they're, oh my. 1670 01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:42.760 God, it's new. 1671 01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:46.680 They came out of the tunnel system and they built it, 1672 01:47:47.039 --> 01:47:49.840 and they went back and see, you guys got to 1673 01:47:50.159 --> 01:47:51.439 let me tell you about mars. 1674 01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:52.199 I knew it. 1675 01:47:52.359 --> 01:47:54.640 That's the gym that's using the ball bell. 1676 01:47:54.800 --> 01:48:01.000 Then, yes, it almost it almost looks like like they 1677 01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:04.359 built a tower to mine whatever was in that circle, 1678 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:05.039 whether it was. 1679 01:48:05.159 --> 01:48:08.319 Water, oh weh. 1680 01:48:09.279 --> 01:48:13.399 You may do in the earth. They place gins or 1681 01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:16.640 mills right alongside it. I don't think. 1682 01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:21.119 So it's interesting. You know, it's not for me to speculate, 1683 01:48:21.159 --> 01:48:23.880 but who knows, Lisa. You know, let's talk about the 1684 01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:27.279 size of this for a second. That crater is two 1685 01:48:27.319 --> 01:48:29.199 and a half miles wide. 1686 01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:35.840 Oh my god, so that means this structure has got 1687 01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:36.479 to be huge. 1688 01:48:36.800 --> 01:48:36.960 You know. 1689 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:41.399 Brian's got this whole like very soothing, like Jeff Goldbloom 1690 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:44.319 thing going on with his voice, and it's he's very 1691 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:46.800 like articulate, and. 1692 01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:48.880 I feel like I'm learning a lot right now. 1693 01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:51.199 But this is the kind of stuff that makes me 1694 01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:54.079 go crazy, and he should present this stuff and not 1695 01:48:54.279 --> 01:48:55.319 me because. 1696 01:48:55.079 --> 01:48:56.199 It infuriates me. 1697 01:48:56.359 --> 01:48:58.800 It's like to look at this and then say, oh, 1698 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:01.840 it's just like a sea urgent or whatever. They say 1699 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:07.479 it is some type of micro bacterial seand particle whatever. 1700 01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:10.560 It's like, no way, dude, that's a pyramid. That is 1701 01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:12.399 a pyramid. Somebody built that thing. 1702 01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:16.319 Where are they that it looks a lot like burial mounts. 1703 01:49:16.359 --> 01:49:18.640 And I've trust me, I've had my share of looking 1704 01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:22.239 at Google Earth aerial images of burial mounts at Tennessee 1705 01:49:22.319 --> 01:49:24.319 and Kentucky, and that's what that looks like. 1706 01:49:25.720 --> 01:49:29.319 So, guys, believe it or not, we were lucky enough, 1707 01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:36.760 us Myers people to have gifted to us just within 1708 01:49:36.840 --> 01:49:40.800 the past six months and updated this an updated photo 1709 01:49:41.079 --> 01:49:46.279 of this structure. They reimage this structure almost fifty years later. 1710 01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:48.520 This is from ninth This is from the mid seventies. 1711 01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:52.720 This photo here, high contrast, low resolution. But guess what 1712 01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:54.640 they took another picture of it? I think within the 1713 01:49:54.680 --> 01:50:01.239 past six months. Oh shit, see if we can zoom 1714 01:50:01.279 --> 01:50:03.720 in a little bit here? Can you zoom in. 1715 01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:05.680 Here? 1716 01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:11.920 Now? 1717 01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:17.319 Well, I don't have a wider landscape image of this. 1718 01:50:17.720 --> 01:50:23.720 But there are no other large moundlike, mountain like, volcano 1719 01:50:23.960 --> 01:50:29.079 like structures anywhere near this. For miles and miles, there's nothing. 1720 01:50:29.359 --> 01:50:31.079 This is the only thing that sticks up out of 1721 01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:36.640 the ground. Now again, it's it to me, to my 1722 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:39.840 eye and tell me if I'm seeing things. It kind 1723 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:44.159 of looks like there are sides. Look at this shadow. 1724 01:50:44.279 --> 01:50:49.159 It is triangular. It is not circular. It doesn't Yes, 1725 01:50:49.199 --> 01:50:51.000 it has an arc over here. But here there's a 1726 01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:56.439 distinct line. You know, And whenever we see the Egyptian pyramids, 1727 01:50:56.479 --> 01:51:01.640 we are seeing shadows with distinct lines. Now you might say, okay, 1728 01:51:02.279 --> 01:51:04.840 after all of that evidence, you might still say, well, 1729 01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:07.439 it doesn't look like a perfect pyramid. 1730 01:51:08.119 --> 01:51:08.920 It's a pedagon. 1731 01:51:10.159 --> 01:51:11.199 It got pucked up. 1732 01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:14.199 With the water erosion when the catastrophe hit. 1733 01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:15.199 That's what it is. 1734 01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:18.199 And so keep this in mind. The surface of Mars 1735 01:51:18.399 --> 01:51:22.479 is old. It doesn't have much of an atmosphere, but 1736 01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:25.279 it has just enough of an atmosphere to blow around 1737 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:30.520 sand and dust. And so if any of you guys 1738 01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:35.439 have ever seen an unexcavated pyramid, what does an unexcavated 1739 01:51:35.479 --> 01:51:40.439 pyramid look like? It just looks like a hill with 1740 01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:43.399 dirt on it, sometimes trees, sometimes you don't have no idea. 1741 01:51:43.439 --> 01:51:44.760 There's a pyramid underneath. 1742 01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:51.960 So there is a square on this too. This sticks 1743 01:51:52.039 --> 01:51:56.279 at It just looks too. It looks like a like 1744 01:51:56.439 --> 01:51:59.119 almost like talk about geomestry. It looks like almost a 1745 01:51:59.159 --> 01:52:02.000 perfect square. And yeah, it's a cavern. 1746 01:52:03.399 --> 01:52:06.760 Great catch ethan, that's a great catch at the. 1747 01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:09.439 Top of the pramid and looking like when you look 1748 01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:12.880 at remote sensing of vegetation, it looks like the top 1749 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:17.159 part is either weather worn like a wind type worn. 1750 01:52:17.720 --> 01:52:22.439 But what's interesting is the pattern of the surface outside 1751 01:52:22.680 --> 01:52:25.600 of the pyramid over to the right and left hand side. 1752 01:52:26.079 --> 01:52:32.000 It almost looks like water erosion of sorts or vegetation 1753 01:52:32.520 --> 01:52:36.359 that has grown in patterns and then frozen into the land, 1754 01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:44.279 but it does have some sort of vegetative water esc pattern. 1755 01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:45.319 To it on the side. 1756 01:52:46.119 --> 01:52:49.880 Lisa, do you know you might you might be familiar 1757 01:52:49.960 --> 01:52:54.319 with this, You know the pyramid in Mexico that's like buried. 1758 01:52:54.439 --> 01:52:57.159 It looks like a hill. I think it's Chilula. It's 1759 01:52:57.199 --> 01:52:59.359 in Chilula. Yeah, So. 1760 01:53:01.039 --> 01:53:03.399 They didn't know that was a pyramid for like the 1761 01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:05.399 longest I don't think they thought it was just a 1762 01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:09.600 big ass, grassy ass hill. And then they started looking 1763 01:53:09.680 --> 01:53:13.359 into it, right, Like, does that not remind you kind 1764 01:53:13.399 --> 01:53:15.079 of like of what we're looking at right now? It's 1765 01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:17.600 it's just like been buried, a little bit covered up, 1766 01:53:18.079 --> 01:53:19.920 but you the remnants. 1767 01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:23.199 It looks like there's a before and after that pyramid 1768 01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:25.680 you were talking about, and that looks like the before 1769 01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:26.760 picture before. 1770 01:53:26.520 --> 01:53:31.960 They escavated it, right right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's definitely 1771 01:53:32.119 --> 01:53:35.000 ribbing on the floor, like a four sided on this one. 1772 01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:40.439 So let's just say, Okay, so what I'm showing you 1773 01:53:40.720 --> 01:53:45.560 are samples, right, I could spend all day night showing 1774 01:53:45.600 --> 01:53:51.159 you everything. Okay, I'm just showing you some of the 1775 01:53:51.279 --> 01:53:54.239 best stuff. Now maybe this, let's just say this one 1776 01:53:54.279 --> 01:53:57.199 doesn't work for you, Okay, let's take a look at. 1777 01:53:57.079 --> 01:53:57.600 This next one. 1778 01:54:03.079 --> 01:54:09.439 Come on, wow, look at this shit. 1779 01:54:10.079 --> 01:54:13.000 If you were to pile up some dirt and some 1780 01:54:13.239 --> 01:54:16.520 dust on top of Tao Tiacan, which is down in Mexico, 1781 01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:21.520 would it not look something similar to what we see 1782 01:54:21.640 --> 01:54:22.119 on the left. 1783 01:54:22.840 --> 01:54:23.680 It's identical. 1784 01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:29.840 Now, this particular imager was discovered by a gentleman in 1785 01:54:29.920 --> 01:54:33.279 South Africa. His name is John Ward. He's an independent 1786 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:38.680 Mars researcher, and I'll show you just a quick sampling 1787 01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:41.279 of his work next. But this is the most notable 1788 01:54:41.319 --> 01:54:44.800 of his discoveries. Again, one of these guys just spending 1789 01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:47.479 his spare time sifting through thousands of images looking for stuff, 1790 01:54:48.760 --> 01:54:50.680 and here he comes and he finds. Look at that. 1791 01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:54.119 Does that look like a volcano to you? To anybody? 1792 01:54:55.600 --> 01:54:59.199 Look again, we have what appeared to besides, who wants 1793 01:54:59.239 --> 01:55:00.840 to take a guess? How how big this thing is? 1794 01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:04.239 Oh my god, don't tell me. 1795 01:55:04.520 --> 01:55:04.880 I don't know. 1796 01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:07.600 But it looks just like the image you just showed with, 1797 01:55:07.640 --> 01:55:10.760 because it's got the same four sides and the same placement. 1798 01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:12.079 Mmmm. 1799 01:55:12.720 --> 01:55:15.279 This thing is two and a half miles big. 1800 01:55:16.319 --> 01:55:23.680 Oh my god. They were master builders. Whoever they were seeing. 1801 01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:27.399 This structure that's these steps here on the front. You 1802 01:55:27.520 --> 01:55:29.680 cover those with some dirt, don't you think you'd get 1803 01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:34.560 just a lump just here on the side. So who 1804 01:55:35.560 --> 01:55:39.039 can tell? Like, look, look, you guys, it's just like 1805 01:55:39.239 --> 01:55:43.119 you guys aren't pushing for pyramids on Mars. But just 1806 01:55:43.199 --> 01:55:48.640 to the naked eye here this looks like there could 1807 01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:54.039 be something here because to the untrained eye, there's geometry, 1808 01:55:54.119 --> 01:55:57.319 there's symmetry to this thing. It's got four equal sides. 1809 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:01.720 My only question, I'm not saying this is proof of 1810 01:56:01.920 --> 01:56:05.800 pyramids and extraterrestrial civilization agent on Mars. I am saying 1811 01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:09.479 that we need to go and just take a closer look, 1812 01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:18.000 not just with geologists, but with archaeologists, palaeontologists, biologists. There's 1813 01:56:18.039 --> 01:56:22.199 a whole team of different scientists from different disciplines that 1814 01:56:22.319 --> 01:56:24.840 need to go and study this planet because arguably there's 1815 01:56:24.880 --> 01:56:29.600 something more than what we've been told. Now, let me 1816 01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:34.840 just I just want to highlight My job is to 1817 01:56:34.960 --> 01:56:38.920 really highlight the work of these people doing this research. 1818 01:56:39.680 --> 01:56:46.800 And John Ward has found he's got a whole channel 1819 01:56:46.920 --> 01:56:48.600 with stuff he's found. I'm just going to show you 1820 01:56:50.039 --> 01:56:59.039 a simple collage of what else he's found. This thing here. 1821 01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:01.479 That is in Nokia. 1822 01:57:02.079 --> 01:57:03.720 Let me give you some let me let me give 1823 01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:05.640 you some scale. Here, I'll give you some scale. This 1824 01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:09.920 thing up here is about let's say, fifty meters wide. Okay, 1825 01:57:10.359 --> 01:57:14.159 kind of funky. I have a video interview with John 1826 01:57:14.199 --> 01:57:15.920 Ward where he talks about each one of these things, 1827 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:18.439 and we find earth analogs, and there's something like this 1828 01:57:18.800 --> 01:57:21.800 down in Mexico or Peru. I think I forget where, 1829 01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:24.600 but there's something that just looks like that. But look 1830 01:57:24.640 --> 01:57:28.359 at it. It's got arguably, it has symmetry to it. 1831 01:57:28.439 --> 01:57:33.680 It's got equal sides rounded, yes, but eroded. Sure, It's 1832 01:57:33.840 --> 01:57:35.920 just like, well, that's an odd thing in the middle 1833 01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:37.720 of the rest of the landscape. There's nothing else like it. 1834 01:57:37.720 --> 01:57:40.199 Shouldn't we take a closer look. This thing over here 1835 01:57:42.039 --> 01:57:44.399 is about twenty or thirty meters. 1836 01:57:46.079 --> 01:57:46.359 Long. 1837 01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:50.560 It's in a landscape that has a lot of different craters. 1838 01:57:51.680 --> 01:57:57.800 But this is really odd. What it looks almost sinuous? 1839 01:57:58.479 --> 01:58:08.720 What what natural geological formation does this? It's a really 1840 01:58:08.880 --> 01:58:09.800 weird Yeah it does. 1841 01:58:09.880 --> 01:58:10.600 It looks weird. 1842 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:13.840 It does look really weird. Now, this thing down here 1843 01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:16.359 is about the size of a boat. 1844 01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:18.640 Yeah, oh it ain't an Okia. 1845 01:58:18.920 --> 01:58:20.720 Never mind it's about the size of a boat. 1846 01:58:21.439 --> 01:58:22.800 It is like something on the side of it. 1847 01:58:24.279 --> 01:58:26.920 It looks like it right, like like a button, like 1848 01:58:27.039 --> 01:58:29.159 a It's hard to tell because you can't tell like 1849 01:58:29.239 --> 01:58:31.720 how big these things are. But like you know what 1850 01:58:31.800 --> 01:58:32.079 I mean. 1851 01:58:33.439 --> 01:58:37.000 So don't we need to go take a close look 1852 01:58:37.039 --> 01:58:41.000 at these things. For anyone to say that there's nothing 1853 01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:45.439 to see here, I think they're just being dishonest. Don't 1854 01:58:45.479 --> 01:58:49.319 our natural curiosities suggest to us that there's something odd 1855 01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:55.800 about these things that we are seeing. I'll show you, Okay, 1856 01:58:56.039 --> 01:58:59.800 Now one more collage by a different guy who's in 1857 01:58:59.840 --> 01:59:04.439 Colorado is my buddy Gary. Gary is another one of 1858 01:59:04.479 --> 01:59:09.039 these independent Mars researchers who has found dozens of what 1859 01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:13.199 I'm about to show to you again. These are orbiter photographs, 1860 01:59:13.920 --> 01:59:16.760 photographic structures that are huge, and the ones you're about 1861 01:59:16.800 --> 01:59:20.680 to see are about three quarters of a mile to 1862 01:59:20.840 --> 01:59:26.680 a mile big. Okay, And Gary has found the lots 1863 01:59:27.119 --> 01:59:29.479 and lots of these things. 1864 01:59:33.960 --> 01:59:35.840 Yeah, I remember seeing that one of them all the 1865 01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:36.960 way to the right is weird. 1866 01:59:42.600 --> 01:59:45.680 Are a seal of tant the bottom. 1867 01:59:46.680 --> 01:59:49.680 I just call them the triangles. He's got two dozens 1868 01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:52.880 of these things. What we're seeing here looks like a 1869 01:59:53.000 --> 01:59:57.720 tetrahedral shape to me. And this line here, what natural 1870 01:59:57.840 --> 02:00:01.359 geological process makes a lot like that? That's three quarters 1871 02:00:01.359 --> 02:00:03.560 of a mile long? And then we sort of see 1872 02:00:03.560 --> 02:00:05.960 the same thing here a triangle with a mound, a 1873 02:00:06.199 --> 02:00:09.159 pyramidal mound in the center, a triangle with a line, 1874 02:00:09.520 --> 02:00:12.920 some sort of a triangle with the line, triangle with 1875 02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:15.439 the line triangle. And here we have a triangle in 1876 02:00:15.479 --> 02:00:20.079 the middle of an impact crater. What are the chances 1877 02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:22.159 an impact creator is going to make a triangle right 1878 02:00:22.239 --> 02:00:27.560 in the center of it? And what triangles have these? 1879 02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:28.199 Really? 1880 02:00:29.319 --> 02:00:35.760 They're literally underlined with bolted I don't know what natural 1881 02:00:35.880 --> 02:00:38.319 process would make such a thing, and I can't find 1882 02:00:38.359 --> 02:00:42.039 any geologists to give me a straight answer. You know. 1883 02:00:42.119 --> 02:00:44.479 I just thought about something I heard one time that 1884 02:00:44.760 --> 02:00:53.399 Cairo in Arabic mains Mars, and really yes, and that 1885 02:00:54.319 --> 02:00:57.560 some people have suggested maybe that our Cairo here on 1886 02:00:57.720 --> 02:01:02.640 Earth was named after the structures up there, and that 1887 02:01:02.880 --> 02:01:05.920 maybe the ancients and the Sumerians who had the map 1888 02:01:05.960 --> 02:01:08.319 of the Solar system and all that, maybe they knew 1889 02:01:08.359 --> 02:01:11.439 about all this. And this is just once again another 1890 02:01:11.520 --> 02:01:16.479 example of lost knowledge that we're playing ketchup with the Mayans. 1891 02:01:16.560 --> 02:01:19.319 When they disappeared, they showed their asses up on Mars 1892 02:01:19.439 --> 02:01:24.159 and started building stuff that I mean, it looks just 1893 02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:30.000 like that stuff. I mean, all of our ancient structures 1894 02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:32.119 look like this before they're excavated. 1895 02:01:32.880 --> 02:01:35.960 So, guys, I want to go back to this image 1896 02:01:36.159 --> 02:01:40.159 because some of you mentioned the remote viewing Stargate program, 1897 02:01:41.239 --> 02:01:43.479 which is what I was referring to getting into the 1898 02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:50.439 paranormal aspect of all of this. I, like many people, 1899 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:54.800 was skeptical of this idea of remote viewing because what 1900 02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:58.800 are we really talking about here, Psychic powers. Okay, maybe 1901 02:01:58.880 --> 02:02:03.239 some of this is not new to you, guys, but 1902 02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:06.399 it was certainly new to me. But what I was 1903 02:02:07.880 --> 02:02:14.720 most comfortable with in presenting the remote viewing side of 1904 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:19.600 this story because you had some of these these Stargate Okay, 1905 02:02:19.760 --> 02:02:24.600 Stargate was a was a program, a psychic spying program 1906 02:02:24.760 --> 02:02:29.800 developed in the seventies run by the US Army. So 1907 02:02:29.880 --> 02:02:32.880 the US Army had a psychic spying program for twenty years. Okay, 1908 02:02:34.159 --> 02:02:37.720 I know that sounds nuts, but that's what they had. 1909 02:02:37.880 --> 02:02:40.880 That's a fact. Now, I'm not going to tell you 1910 02:02:41.159 --> 02:02:44.199 nuts to me, you know, but to a lot of 1911 02:02:44.279 --> 02:02:49.720 people psychic abilities sounds crazy. It's something that's like X men, right, So, 1912 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:52.840 but that's not what I'm focused on when we focus 1913 02:02:52.920 --> 02:02:54.840 on is the fact that the NASA is that the 1914 02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:59.039 US Army had a psychic spying program, and while they 1915 02:03:00.359 --> 02:03:02.439 didn't really do too much with Mars, they did a 1916 02:03:02.520 --> 02:03:04.479 few things with Mars. And for those of you who 1917 02:03:04.560 --> 02:03:08.680 know Joe mcmonagall who was one of the first or 1918 02:03:08.760 --> 02:03:12.960 the first remote viewers of that program who was tasked 1919 02:03:13.560 --> 02:03:17.800 against Mars headless time where she talking about this before. 1920 02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:21.560 Yes, sir, so Jill mcmonigall. He was only given the 1921 02:03:21.640 --> 02:03:23.920 title of remote Viewer Number one. That was sort of 1922 02:03:24.039 --> 02:03:28.880 like his his handle or his call sign. So he 1923 02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:32.800 was he was deeply involved with Special Forces and had 1924 02:03:32.880 --> 02:03:35.359 this propensity of not dying when he should have died, 1925 02:03:36.039 --> 02:03:39.840 and he even had a near death encounter which left 1926 02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:43.880 him completely changed. And then he started experiencing sort of 1927 02:03:44.079 --> 02:03:49.079 like psychic abilities and psychic gifts, and so he was 1928 02:03:49.239 --> 02:03:52.119 trained by some other remote viewers and he became one 1929 02:03:52.159 --> 02:03:54.640 of their agents. And so he never wanted to do 1930 02:03:54.960 --> 02:03:59.880 any remote viewing that would jeopardize his ability to verify it. 1931 02:04:00.199 --> 02:04:03.560 So they tricked him into doing this remote viewing on 1932 02:04:03.720 --> 02:04:07.680 Mars because the CIA wanted to see what was actually 1933 02:04:07.800 --> 02:04:11.680 happening one million BC on this planet during the same 1934 02:04:11.800 --> 02:04:14.239 time that all of these findings are coming out. So 1935 02:04:14.760 --> 02:04:17.479 I think they were interested in what exactly the nature 1936 02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:20.039 of this life that you're talking about that they found 1937 02:04:20.119 --> 02:04:23.399 way back in the seventies was doing on Mars a 1938 02:04:23.479 --> 02:04:24.239 million years ago. 1939 02:04:25.800 --> 02:04:33.359 So there's this famous declassified CIA transcript of Joe mcmonogall's 1940 02:04:33.439 --> 02:04:40.119 session where he remote viewed Mars and this is what 1941 02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:44.159 he was looking at. Now, he didn't know that at 1942 02:04:44.239 --> 02:04:47.439 the time. He remote viewed Mars and he was relaying 1943 02:04:47.560 --> 02:04:50.199 to his monitor here's what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a 1944 02:04:50.279 --> 02:04:54.600 destroyed landscape, but I'm seeing these giant things that look 1945 02:04:54.720 --> 02:04:59.399 like pyramids. And I'm paraphrasing here. Joe mcmonagall did not. 1946 02:05:00.920 --> 02:05:01.279 By this. 1947 02:05:01.600 --> 02:05:05.600 He didn't believe this himself. He's like, this sounds nuts. What. 1948 02:05:06.199 --> 02:05:09.000 I can't believe that I've remote view pyramids on Mars. 1949 02:05:09.399 --> 02:05:12.880 That's crazy. So what did he do? He went to 1950 02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:17.439 NASA back then and he asked NASA at the time 1951 02:05:18.159 --> 02:05:21.199 for the negatives because we didn't have digital back then. 1952 02:05:21.239 --> 02:05:26.359 He asked for the negatives of specific coordinates, and he 1953 02:05:27.119 --> 02:05:29.520 was able to verify for himself that what he was 1954 02:05:29.680 --> 02:05:32.600 viewing was real because we had taken photographs of it 1955 02:05:32.920 --> 02:05:34.960 and this is the one that he was looking at. 1956 02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:39.159 I was not able to interview him for the film, 1957 02:05:40.319 --> 02:05:44.199 but I did interview somebody else from that same program, 1958 02:05:44.319 --> 02:05:48.760 a gentleman by the name of Tom mcneer, who was 1959 02:05:49.079 --> 02:05:53.960 part of INGOs Swan's remote viewing team. Ingo Swan is 1960 02:05:54.039 --> 02:05:56.159 another one of these famous remote viewers. He's no longer 1961 02:05:56.239 --> 02:05:58.920 with us, but Tom mcneer was on that He was 1962 02:05:58.960 --> 02:06:02.680 a recruited into the program and Ingo Swan's team was 1963 02:06:02.800 --> 02:06:07.119 also tasked against Greater Pyramid. This is what this features 1964 02:06:08.439 --> 02:06:12.159 is known as Creater Pyramid. So the remote viewing team 1965 02:06:12.920 --> 02:06:16.199 of the US Army was looking at Mars and they 1966 02:06:16.239 --> 02:06:22.520 were looking at this particular feature. Now why were they 1967 02:06:22.920 --> 02:06:26.039 interested in something like this? Why would the US Army 1968 02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:30.199 be interested in Mars. Well, it's because NASA started taking 1969 02:06:30.279 --> 02:06:33.199 lots of interesting look at photograph starting in nineteen seventy six. 1970 02:06:33.840 --> 02:06:36.119 That caused a lot of eyebrows to fur all up 1971 02:06:36.119 --> 02:06:42.199 because they're like this. You know, when I first read 1972 02:06:42.560 --> 02:06:45.479 Graham Hancock's Mars book and he starts talking about pyramids 1973 02:06:45.560 --> 02:06:47.560 on Mars. Boy, I tell you, I got such an 1974 02:06:47.680 --> 02:06:49.760 unsettled feeling in the pit of my stomach. 1975 02:06:52.399 --> 02:06:54.680 Yeah, yeah, something kind of rings true. When you read 1976 02:06:54.720 --> 02:06:57.600 that book, you're like, oh, yeah, there's something here. I 1977 02:06:57.720 --> 02:06:59.840 want to ask you, is Joe mcmonagle. Is he the 1978 02:07:00.079 --> 02:07:05.279 one who like reported going inside and seeing the giant 1979 02:07:05.479 --> 02:07:07.760 entities that looked like humans but bigger. 1980 02:07:09.840 --> 02:07:16.960 Yes, mole, okay and okay. Now, what's interesting is that 1981 02:07:17.119 --> 02:07:21.800 within about a two week period, Ingo Swan's team was 1982 02:07:21.960 --> 02:07:27.760 tasked against this same feature without knowing that Joe had 1983 02:07:27.960 --> 02:07:33.760 just done it, and they observed the same things. And 1984 02:07:33.880 --> 02:07:35.920 so I got Tom mcneer, who was part of the 1985 02:07:36.600 --> 02:07:41.119 US Army this program, to essentially recount the story for me, 1986 02:07:41.439 --> 02:07:43.720 telling me about what Joe experience that wasn't able to 1987 02:07:43.720 --> 02:07:48.359 get Joe, and then what Tom experienced. So to have 1988 02:07:49.439 --> 02:07:52.079 a team of five people all cite the same thing 1989 02:07:52.159 --> 02:07:54.760 that Joe did without having known they even worked on 1990 02:07:54.840 --> 02:08:01.680 it together, talking about these giant megalithic pyramids, structures, entities 1991 02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:10.800 who are larger cavernous halls inside these things. You know, Gosh, 1992 02:08:10.920 --> 02:08:12.800 I don't know where you go with that. I don't 1993 02:08:12.800 --> 02:08:16.399 know how to how to process something like that. Now, Nick, 1994 02:08:16.560 --> 02:08:22.600 there is more to this story, but I think we're 1995 02:08:22.640 --> 02:08:28.680 gonna leave it there because I say something. It's yes. 1996 02:08:30.720 --> 02:08:34.119 The one. So this is just a quick thought. I'm 1997 02:08:34.159 --> 02:08:37.000 not to say that's what this is. But the triangle 1998 02:08:37.039 --> 02:08:41.640 that you showed with the line, shoot, sorry, my cat 1999 02:08:41.960 --> 02:08:45.159 is like back here doing good as one that it 2000 02:08:45.640 --> 02:08:49.800 almost look like the unincorporated line to give the symbol 2001 02:08:49.920 --> 02:08:52.680 of air. So you have a triangle with the it 2002 02:08:53.199 --> 02:08:55.840 and it's the symbol for air. When you look at 2003 02:08:56.279 --> 02:08:58.840 if it is a pyramid next to a circle, it 2004 02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:02.880 reminds me of the concept of squaring the circle, which 2005 02:09:03.039 --> 02:09:07.039 is the technical way to say achieving the philosopher's stone, 2006 02:09:07.359 --> 02:09:11.159 achieving the impossible, that you place a triangle inside of 2007 02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:14.840 a circle in order to square it. And it's kind 2008 02:09:14.880 --> 02:09:17.560 of you know, you see emblems of this all over 2009 02:09:18.199 --> 02:09:24.760 with or indifferent emblems of old occultists or philosophers and 2010 02:09:24.800 --> 02:09:27.359 what happened. So if you were standing on the ground 2011 02:09:27.439 --> 02:09:33.880 at a certain angle, you would see the equilateral pyramid 2012 02:09:34.399 --> 02:09:37.840 inside of the circle. So it almost it almost gave 2013 02:09:38.039 --> 02:09:38.960 me that feeling. 2014 02:09:39.079 --> 02:09:40.119 So I don't know what that means. 2015 02:09:40.199 --> 02:09:43.039 Well, you know, I was unfamiliar with this symbol of air. 2016 02:09:43.079 --> 02:09:45.079 I'm looking at it right now. That's interesting. I have 2017 02:09:45.199 --> 02:09:46.920 to take a close look into that. 2018 02:09:49.600 --> 02:09:51.319 And it's one of the four elements that to use 2019 02:09:51.399 --> 02:09:52.960 to achieve the Philosopher's stone. 2020 02:09:53.640 --> 02:10:00.680 Mmm. Let me just conclude this by saying, we still 2021 02:10:00.720 --> 02:10:04.199 have this unanswered question about what happened to this blue planet. 2022 02:10:05.119 --> 02:10:08.159 The question that I pose is what turns a blue 2023 02:10:08.279 --> 02:10:12.000 planet red? That's the title of the film Blue Planet Red. Now, 2024 02:10:12.079 --> 02:10:14.479 for those of you who are interested, the film is 2025 02:10:14.520 --> 02:10:18.800 coming out on Amazon in August. It's just a short 2026 02:10:19.079 --> 02:10:21.800 way away. I have a whole website that basically documents 2027 02:10:21.840 --> 02:10:24.840 all this stuff and has all the published research links, 2028 02:10:24.840 --> 02:10:26.319 so you can go take a look at it for yourself. 2029 02:10:26.359 --> 02:10:30.079 I continue to work on YouTube. But this question of 2030 02:10:31.640 --> 02:10:40.640 what happened to the planet? We do present the research 2031 02:10:42.079 --> 02:10:49.640 that does provide an answer to this question. In fact, 2032 02:10:50.359 --> 02:10:53.399 there are a few different pieces of research that provide 2033 02:10:53.399 --> 02:10:57.760 an answer to this question. What NASA will tell you 2034 02:11:00.199 --> 02:11:04.520 is that the solar wind has stripped away the atmosphere 2035 02:11:04.600 --> 02:11:11.039 of Mars due to the weakened magnetic field of the planet. 2036 02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:24.000 The problem is the solar wind alone is not enough 2037 02:11:25.119 --> 02:11:29.039 to explain the nearly complete loss of the atmosphere. It's 2038 02:11:29.119 --> 02:11:34.159 simply not stripping it away fast to account for the 2039 02:11:34.279 --> 02:11:40.159 nearly complete loss of the atmosphere. There are other explanations 2040 02:11:40.279 --> 02:11:44.199 for what happened to the atmosphere, all based on research 2041 02:11:44.439 --> 02:11:48.720 by people much smarter than I, who have unfortunately been 2042 02:11:48.760 --> 02:11:54.119 marginalized due to the claims that are being made. But 2043 02:11:54.239 --> 02:11:57.439 these claims aren't just I think it's based on the 2044 02:11:57.720 --> 02:12:05.960 data collected by who who collects the data. NASA collects 2045 02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:10.720 the data. It's NASA's data. They do a great job 2046 02:12:10.800 --> 02:12:14.399 collecting data, they don't do a great job talking about 2047 02:12:14.439 --> 02:12:20.479 what they've discovered and what they've discovered, as published by 2048 02:12:20.560 --> 02:12:22.520 other scientists in the film, who we did not talk 2049 02:12:22.560 --> 02:12:27.840 about tonight, who have written about this in books. When 2050 02:12:27.880 --> 02:12:31.960 I first read about this, it kept me up for 2051 02:12:32.039 --> 02:12:42.399 three nights because one of the explanations, while being terrifying 2052 02:12:42.479 --> 02:12:50.159 in its own right, is a natural explanation. The other 2053 02:12:50.359 --> 02:12:50.520 is not. 2054 02:12:56.840 --> 02:13:02.520 You're talking about Mars right, still talking about so maybe 2055 02:13:02.560 --> 02:13:04.880 there was a natural cataclysm, or maybe there was a 2056 02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:09.199 cosmic battle that messed up the whole side of Mars. 2057 02:13:09.279 --> 02:13:11.800 They say it's like peppered with rocks on one side 2058 02:13:11.840 --> 02:13:14.399 as if something next to it blew up. And if 2059 02:13:14.439 --> 02:13:17.560 you look into Samariamiss, you look into TMOT there seems 2060 02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:20.319 to have been a cosmic war where a planet was 2061 02:13:20.920 --> 02:13:22.159 exploded or blown up. 2062 02:13:23.199 --> 02:13:26.079 So for any people who have heard any stories like 2063 02:13:26.159 --> 02:13:31.039 what Tim is talking about, well, guess what, there's data 2064 02:13:31.720 --> 02:13:32.479 to back it up. 2065 02:13:34.399 --> 02:13:35.119 I have right here. 2066 02:13:35.239 --> 02:13:38.920 It says the radioactive isotopes on Mars from nuclear war. 2067 02:13:39.039 --> 02:13:42.479 The presence of atmospheric radioactive isotopes on Mars such as 2068 02:13:43.039 --> 02:13:48.279 twelve nine XE and eighty k R has been noted 2069 02:13:48.359 --> 02:13:53.159 in scientific studies suggested the possible past nuclear events in 2070 02:13:53.239 --> 02:13:54.520 the atmosphere of Mars. 2071 02:13:56.199 --> 02:13:59.079 So for those of you who think that sounds interesting, 2072 02:13:59.359 --> 02:14:06.520 well this movies for you, definitely for me. Then we 2073 02:14:06.680 --> 02:14:09.640 go into detail about this, and I do my best 2074 02:14:09.680 --> 02:14:13.119 to try to expect to present this and to not 2075 02:14:13.279 --> 02:14:17.199 just present this material, but present the people who have 2076 02:14:17.359 --> 02:14:22.119 spent their entire career studying this stuff and publishing it 2077 02:14:22.199 --> 02:14:26.520 on it multiple times in peer review journals, thinking that 2078 02:14:26.600 --> 02:14:31.680 it's going to make a difference. But unfortunately statistics and 2079 02:14:31.800 --> 02:14:33.880 data they don't really make a difference. What does make 2080 02:14:33.920 --> 02:14:36.960 a difference is stories, and that's where I feel like 2081 02:14:37.039 --> 02:14:39.600 I have something to add to this whole thing. So, guys, 2082 02:14:39.720 --> 02:14:43.000 I really do appreciate you listening to me for damn 2083 02:14:43.039 --> 02:14:45.960 near two hours. Geez over two hours. Goodness, gracious. 2084 02:14:47.399 --> 02:14:48.760 I know this is sort of. 2085 02:14:48.760 --> 02:14:51.079 Outside of what you guys normally talk about, so I 2086 02:14:51.199 --> 02:14:54.479 really appreciate you giving me the time to go through it. 2087 02:14:55.319 --> 02:14:58.399 And there's if any of this appeals to you, there's 2088 02:14:58.520 --> 02:15:06.079 more those of us who are working on Mars. You know, 2089 02:15:06.239 --> 02:15:08.640 we do it because we feel like there is a 2090 02:15:08.760 --> 02:15:11.439 story that the rest of humanity simply needs to be 2091 02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:20.279 made aware of. And I think there is a connection 2092 02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:25.720 between what happened on Mars and what we are observing 2093 02:15:26.760 --> 02:15:32.199 with the UFO activity here on Earth. We can get 2094 02:15:32.239 --> 02:15:37.840 into that later, but I think it has a role 2095 02:15:37.960 --> 02:15:43.199 to play in the overall disclosure topic. And it's just 2096 02:15:43.319 --> 02:15:47.600 simply about getting the attention that this research really deserves. 2097 02:15:48.319 --> 02:15:51.359 And you know, it's thanks to you guys who have 2098 02:15:51.520 --> 02:15:55.039 a curiosity about this stuff and willing to listen to 2099 02:15:55.079 --> 02:15:57.800 guys like me who have sort of put the pieces together. 2100 02:15:57.880 --> 02:16:00.800 But my work is based off of those who have 2101 02:16:00.880 --> 02:16:05.000 been spending a lot more time on it and they 2102 02:16:05.119 --> 02:16:08.680 need the older recognition that they can get. So thank 2103 02:16:08.720 --> 02:16:11.800 you guys, Oh, thank you man. 2104 02:16:11.880 --> 02:16:12.960 That was that was great. 2105 02:16:13.000 --> 02:16:14.960 I'm not going to complain about the two hours. Uh, 2106 02:16:15.159 --> 02:16:19.479 perfect guest man. We didn't you know, Uh, definitely some 2107 02:16:19.600 --> 02:16:22.399 weird shit. I Uh again, like I had said, I 2108 02:16:22.520 --> 02:16:24.760 didn't see the last about twenty five or thirty minutes. 2109 02:16:24.880 --> 02:16:27.359 And you know, people probibly even know my whole idea 2110 02:16:27.359 --> 02:16:29.279 as being in occult this. I sometimes don't even know 2111 02:16:29.359 --> 02:16:31.399 what the question that's out in the skies I've said. 2112 02:16:31.439 --> 02:16:33.040 I think it's the reflection of the back of my 2113 02:16:33.079 --> 02:16:35.079 eyeball at the times. So like, I don't know what 2114 02:16:35.200 --> 02:16:37.079 to consider that stuff. But the shit that you showed 2115 02:16:37.159 --> 02:16:40.319 on your in this movie is just fucking weird, you know, 2116 02:16:41.120 --> 02:16:42.920 even the fact, I mean I know nobody you know, 2117 02:16:43.000 --> 02:16:45.360 obviously I don't trust an Asca either. I think this 2118 02:16:45.559 --> 02:16:48.040 is just for me as a conspiracy theorist. This is 2119 02:16:48.079 --> 02:16:50.239 just another piece of evidence showing you that they're contradicting 2120 02:16:50.280 --> 02:16:52.760 themselves of you know, whatever you know? 2121 02:16:53.000 --> 02:16:53.959 And why why is that? 2122 02:16:55.120 --> 02:16:55.239 Uh? 2123 02:16:55.680 --> 02:16:56.120 Very weird? 2124 02:16:56.360 --> 02:16:56.440 Uh? 2125 02:16:56.479 --> 02:16:58.879 And I really appreciate you coming on, Brian. I know, 2126 02:16:58.959 --> 02:17:01.319 like you said, it wasn't particularly something that we cover, 2127 02:17:01.440 --> 02:17:03.760 but it kind of does fit in a way. 2128 02:17:03.680 --> 02:17:05.719 And I thought it was actually really well done, and 2129 02:17:05.799 --> 02:17:07.040 thank you man, it was. 2130 02:17:07.239 --> 02:17:08.840 It was a pleasure having you on and you really 2131 02:17:09.079 --> 02:17:10.719 you had a lot to say and you covered a lot, 2132 02:17:10.920 --> 02:17:13.559 and believe it or not, there's a lot in the 2133 02:17:13.639 --> 02:17:16.280 movie that he didn't cover it. So definitely, if you're 2134 02:17:16.280 --> 02:17:17.840 into this, man, go check it out again. 2135 02:17:18.000 --> 02:17:21.120 I watched it. I thought it was good. Does anybody 2136 02:17:21.120 --> 02:17:22.680 else want to add anything before we wrap this up? 2137 02:17:24.879 --> 02:17:27.719 I love the presentation. Oh sorry, go ahead, Lisa, No, no, 2138 02:17:28.559 --> 02:17:30.920 go ahead, go ahead. I was just gonna say I 2139 02:17:30.959 --> 02:17:33.200 love the presentation. I feel like I learned a lot. 2140 02:17:34.920 --> 02:17:41.399 Like I said before, Brian has this great Jeff Goldbloom, soothing, relaxing, 2141 02:17:42.319 --> 02:17:45.600 articulate thing going on. So I mean, I absolutely enjoyed it. 2142 02:17:45.680 --> 02:17:50.040 I thought it was great and I'm looking forward to 2143 02:17:50.239 --> 02:17:51.879 watching the movie too. 2144 02:17:54.799 --> 02:17:56.479 Yeah. Other thing I was going to say was that 2145 02:17:56.879 --> 02:17:58.799 it's probably beyond the scope of the movie. And then 2146 02:17:58.879 --> 02:18:04.520 obviously another discussion. Is there any legitimacy to the claim 2147 02:18:04.559 --> 02:18:06.239 that there is an obelisk on photos? 2148 02:18:10.079 --> 02:18:17.239 Yes, John Ward that South African independent mars researcher has 2149 02:18:17.840 --> 02:18:22.440 done a very detailed analysis of that, and you can 2150 02:18:22.559 --> 02:18:24.920 find some more information. I did interview him from a 2151 02:18:24.920 --> 02:18:29.239 YouTube channel. We talk about that specifically, and a lot 2152 02:18:29.280 --> 02:18:32.479 of what these independent Mars researchers do is again they 2153 02:18:33.079 --> 02:18:36.000 sort of enhance the image to bring out some of 2154 02:18:36.040 --> 02:18:37.600 the detail and make these things a little bit more 2155 02:18:37.719 --> 02:18:40.360 clear for us to see. And he's got he's done 2156 02:18:40.399 --> 02:18:44.000 some great work on that thing specifically. That quite interesting 2157 02:18:44.040 --> 02:18:44.600 if you ask me. 2158 02:18:49.120 --> 02:18:50.959 All right, well, I guess if nobody else has got 2159 02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:53.159 anything else to say, we could wrap it up. I 2160 02:18:53.280 --> 02:18:56.319 did add your links in there during the show, so 2161 02:18:56.360 --> 02:18:58.760 if people want to go check out his YouTube interviews 2162 02:18:58.760 --> 02:18:59.079 and all. 2163 02:18:58.959 --> 02:19:01.440 The extra stuff that he says, it's on there his 2164 02:19:01.559 --> 02:19:04.559 links in the bottom. Go check it out. Uh, thank 2165 02:19:04.600 --> 02:19:07.360 you all of yous for coming on. Yeah, I'm not 2166 02:19:07.399 --> 02:19:09.159 gonna have a leaves to play your show now. It's 2167 02:19:09.200 --> 02:19:11.559 been long enough, but I appreciate all of you. 2168 02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:14.000 Brian, do you want to let anybody know you want 2169 02:19:14.000 --> 02:19:15.799 to promote the movie again or your website or anything 2170 02:19:15.840 --> 02:19:16.920 else before we wrap this up? 2171 02:19:17.639 --> 02:19:20.600 Yeah, I mean, just just one stop shop you can 2172 02:19:20.639 --> 02:19:23.520 find everything you need to know about the film about 2173 02:19:24.040 --> 02:19:30.840 you know, my contact information at Blue Planetred dot net. Okay, 2174 02:19:31.479 --> 02:19:35.120 I'm also on Twitter at Brian Corey Dobbs just my 2175 02:19:35.280 --> 02:19:38.520 name and on YouTube at Brian Corey Dobbs. 2176 02:19:39.639 --> 02:19:43.879 Awesome, thank you very much and yeah, man again, that 2177 02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:47.239 was a great, great presentation, very professionally done. 2178 02:19:47.559 --> 02:19:50.239 What some stuff. And thank you everybody in the chat 2179 02:19:50.280 --> 02:19:52.079 too that hung out. That's what's up. 2180 02:19:52.120 --> 02:19:53.120 It was a long one and there's a lot of 2181 02:19:53.159 --> 02:19:55.600 people there from the beginning, and I appreciate that. At 2182 02:19:55.639 --> 02:19:57.440 one point I was just so focused. I really wasn't 2183 02:19:57.440 --> 02:19:58.879 looking at the chat. I had this was going to 2184 02:19:58.879 --> 02:20:01.280 do one with you. But thank you very much for 2185 02:20:01.360 --> 02:20:04.040 everybody checking it out. That's where we go live and 2186 02:20:04.200 --> 02:20:05.799 until the next one, everybody be well.