Speaker 1: Baby, I'm a gamesteratu. It takes a little tangle.
Speaker 2: You don't want to.
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Speaker 3: Oh pach, baby, You're a game.
Speaker 4: Statue for the war.
Speaker 5: This podcast is designed to take you outside of your
Speaker 5: comfort zone and make you question reality.
Speaker 6: Listening Discretion is a vibe.
Speaker 3: The Fellas.
Speaker 5: This ain't my first time at the Rodeos.
Speaker 6: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I got a
Speaker 6: very special guest, very excited to get this man on.
Speaker 6: I had met him at the Cosmic Summit. I actually
Speaker 6: thought he might have been somebody else because I saw
Speaker 6: him talking to Mike and Dave and there we were
Speaker 6: all we had a mutual friend in a way, and
Speaker 6: I thought that might have been him, and it wasn't.
Speaker 6: And I guess I was meant to happen because he
Speaker 6: eventually gave me his card. We talked a little bit,
Speaker 6: and I wanted to get him on the show because
Speaker 6: I think he's got some amazing stuff. But before we
Speaker 6: get to him, I will introduce the other rejects on
Speaker 6: the show. And we got Lisa back from the field.
Speaker 4: We missed you.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much for finally coming back on the
Speaker 6: show The Occult Reject made Scientist.
Speaker 4: What is up?
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me about good feedback,
Speaker 1: and I told the rejects, I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 1: this topic. I thank you and I kind of talk
Speaker 1: to that here and there different things to look at that.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the only thing I need to plug is
Speaker 1: the Ecual Research Institute dot.
Speaker 7: Org and check all right.
Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you very much. And Headless Giant, what is
Speaker 4: going on? Sir?
Speaker 3: Hi?
Speaker 8: You know what, I'm the Headless Giant. You can watch
Speaker 8: our mail bag show every Thursday where we read your
Speaker 8: metaphysical slash occult slash paranormal emails also mall dreams and
Speaker 8: any other dreams that you could have. We just did
Speaker 8: a great episode with Pretty Bog talking about her astral
Speaker 8: projections slash dream about her grandmother and how it became
Speaker 8: a frightening experience. I suggest everybody go check it out.
Speaker 8: It's a very likely episode. So you can send your
Speaker 8: emails to me at Headless Giant podcast dot gmail dot com.
Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you very much. And we got Tim Constantine
Speaker 4: joining us tonight. What is going on?
Speaker 6: Sir?
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
Speaker 7: Hey, what's going on? Everybody?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm Tim Constantine. My show is sixth Censory Podcast.
Speaker 5: You can find me on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Instagram. Hello
Speaker 5: to all the other rejects. Happy to be here, and Nick,
Speaker 5: thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 6: Of course, man, of course, I always love what you
Speaker 6: bring to the show.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. And last but not least, before Julie
Speaker 4: gets here, we got Ethan Indigo. What is going on, sir.
Speaker 9: I'm honored to be here with you guys. Great to communicate.
Speaker 9: This is gonna be a really fun subject, Brian. I'm
Speaker 9: excited to hear your presentation. I write on the esoteric
Speaker 9: and even the basic exoteric, and a couple articles on
Speaker 9: Occult Research Institute dot org and more to come.
Speaker 6: So honored, honored to be here. This is gonna be fun.
Speaker 6: Hell yeah, thank you very much. And then finally, three
Speaker 6: minutes into the show, finally a getting to Brian. Please
Speaker 6: let everybody know what your deal is and where they
Speaker 6: can find your stuff, and please let everybody know about
Speaker 6: this movie.
Speaker 4: We'll talk to about any what you want to call it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, Nick.
Speaker 3: Well look, man, let me first just start off by saying,
Speaker 3: you know, thanks for having me on. It's it's such
Speaker 3: a pleasure to be here with this group tonight, and
Speaker 3: you know, to meet some new people. I appreciate you
Speaker 3: guys taking the time to do this. I'm I'm quite honored. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was kind of funny. We were just walking in
Speaker 3: the hallways of this hotel and I think Nick, you
Speaker 3: were like, hey, you Chris or something, and I turned around.
Speaker 3: I'm like, he must be talking to me anybody else,
Speaker 3: you know, Brian. But then it turns out we both
Speaker 3: knew this guy, Ricardo. So I'm like, okay, well there's
Speaker 3: a connection there. And you guys, yeah, you know, I mean, God, Ricardo,
Speaker 3: Mike and Dave. Know, everybody knows Riccardo. So while not
Speaker 3: everyone is familiar with what the Cosmic Summit is, maybe
Speaker 3: this group is. You know, pretty much anyone who's going there,
Speaker 3: there's a high probability they're working on something. They've got
Speaker 3: a shot something going on. So you know, it's these
Speaker 3: types of connections happen. And you know, I've made a
Speaker 3: few different other connections, and I'm sure you made a
Speaker 3: bunch when when you were there. That's that's what we do.
Speaker 3: We connect and we tell stories and we see where
Speaker 3: there's some overlap between you know our areas of interest,
Speaker 3: and I don't know how much overlap there is with
Speaker 3: what you guys normally focused on in Mars. There might
Speaker 3: be a little we can get into it. Nikki didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've got a chance to finish it.
Speaker 3: But it gets a little bit like it does, get heavier, man,
Speaker 3: it gets into the paranormal.
Speaker 6: Oh you know what, probably the last minutes I didn't catch. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I can't catch that was probably the most relevant watch it.
Speaker 6: So I can want to show over it for sure.
Speaker 3: Not a problem.
Speaker 4: Well, nobody else saw it of me, so.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't matter if everybody else, Well, that's fine. I
Speaker 3: let me just you know, I sort of just offer
Speaker 3: some context here. Yes, I'm I'm a documentary filmmaker and
Speaker 3: I've got a film coming out about Mars. Now that
Speaker 3: might not seem so sexy. Trust me, I get it.
Speaker 3: If you're like most other people. Heck I was like
Speaker 3: most other people. As of a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: I thought, well, what's what's there to know about Mars?
Speaker 3: It's read what else?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 3: It looks like Arizona. Yeah, so you know, I have
Speaker 3: someone very close to me. Her name is Ginger. I
Speaker 3: think she's watching right now. High Ginger, and you know
Speaker 3: she Nick. You know Ginger, you mentioned her at the
Speaker 3: Coasak Snod credit goes to her because she gave me
Speaker 3: a book written by Graham Hancock. You guys probably know
Speaker 3: Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods. This was new to
Speaker 3: me as of a couple of years ago. I had
Speaker 3: note idea, what the hell this book was. I started
Speaker 3: reading it and like, what is this fiction?
Speaker 2: What the hell is this?
Speaker 3: And then I realized it wasn't. I'm like, hey, this
Speaker 3: Graham Hancock guy. Really, man, he's got something going on here.
Speaker 3: I got to figure out what else he's written, and
Speaker 3: I went through his archive of books. Lo and behold,
Speaker 3: he's written a book which not many people know about.
Speaker 3: But he's actually written a book about Mars, and this
Speaker 3: came out in the late nineties. In that book, I
Speaker 3: learned a whole lot about what NASA has discovered about
Speaker 3: that planet since nineteen seventy six when we really started
Speaker 3: probes down to the surface. So this, you know, long
Speaker 3: story short, this was a rabbit hole that I went
Speaker 3: down and I ended up on Mars. I learned so
Speaker 3: much that I was compelled to do something about it
Speaker 3: because I felt like the rest of the world needs
Speaker 3: to know about this information. And I sort of had
Speaker 3: this internal debate, Dude, do a documentary. I'm a filmmaker.
Speaker 3: I haven't ever done anything this long before. I've always
Speaker 3: done short films. But it just spoke to me. You
Speaker 3: guys know what that feels like. Well, there's material that
Speaker 3: just speaks to you. Gotta do something about it. You
Speaker 3: gotta get in the game. You can't be a passive
Speaker 3: you know, spectator. You got to you gotta do something.
Speaker 3: So I did something, and I came out on the
Speaker 3: other end with a distribution deal and the film is
Speaker 3: coming out on Amazon in August. So and here we
Speaker 3: are today talking about this, and you know, before we
Speaker 3: get into the heavy details, you know, it'd be nice
Speaker 3: to take an interesting and sorry, it'll be nice just
Speaker 3: to take a quick pull here in the room to
Speaker 3: see what everybody knows about Mars. So I know where
Speaker 3: to start from, and I know where to fill in
Speaker 3: the blanks, at.
Speaker 4: Least what I saw with you. First. We'll see how
Speaker 4: your mike's going.
Speaker 1: Now, I see now, now, ye does it sound better?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, Mars for me? You know scientifically elementary all the
Speaker 1: way into college, was that it was a planet that
Speaker 1: used to have life and doesn't anymore. It potentially was
Speaker 1: either that it moved away too far away from the
Speaker 1: optimal I guess orbit to sustain life, or something catastrophic
Speaker 1: happened that it no longer was a was it reducing
Speaker 1: hemosphere to where oxygen exists, And then a majority of
Speaker 1: the red comes from the iron oxide from the volcanic
Speaker 1: activity that it once had or does have, or what
Speaker 1: have you. And then that it had dry eyes at
Speaker 1: the polar caps. That's pretty much majority of what I
Speaker 1: know scientifically esoterically, everything from a dome uh Man of
Speaker 1: red clay, and that we may have come from Mars,
Speaker 1: we came down from a you know kind of language,
Speaker 1: and that we were made from red clay. So that
Speaker 1: could potentially mean that we came from Mars and then
Speaker 1: descended into Earth. So things like that.
Speaker 3: Nice, thank you God, you hit some nice broad strokes there,
Speaker 3: And you know, I think that's pretty much on the money.
Speaker 3: That's a whole heck of a lot more than most people.
Speaker 4: In the documentary.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a fantastic answer. You know, I'd love
Speaker 3: to hear from things Lisa loved to hear from everybody
Speaker 3: else there go ahead this well.
Speaker 8: In May two of nineteen eighty four, the CIA conductive
Speaker 8: research with Project Stargate where a remote viewer number one,
Speaker 8: Joe McGonagall, was tasked to view what Mars was like
Speaker 8: one million BC and they gave him coordinates that were
Speaker 8: in an area where he saw massive obelisks and pyramids
Speaker 8: and a group of people that were like huddled and
Speaker 8: somehow they could see him and knew what he was doing,
Speaker 8: but they weren't too bothered by it, and they kind
Speaker 8: of told him that their planet was going to die
Speaker 8: and that they had sent some people away to a
Speaker 8: different planet and they were hoping that they would get
Speaker 8: back some So that was the viewing of Mars at
Speaker 8: one million BC conductive build. Who knows a video that's true,
Speaker 8: but that's what I.
Speaker 7: Know about mines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe mcmonagall has been making the rounds lately. He's
Speaker 3: one of the more popular guests on practically everyone's podcast.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Yeah, I mean, is.
Speaker 3: He's still with us? He's getting up there in age,
Speaker 3: He's still with us. But yes, there's been a lot
Speaker 3: of talk about this. This particular aspect of Mars, Tim
Speaker 3: and Ethan. What about you guys, who's going first?
Speaker 4: I guess I'll go ye.
Speaker 5: So first of all, I just want to say I
Speaker 5: hope that this gets weird today. You mentioned that it
Speaker 5: might paranormal all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Let's let's go there. Let's get weird, man, because this
Speaker 5: is already weird for me. This has already been a
Speaker 5: synchronicity for me because I forgot about this show. It's
Speaker 5: it's my faults, my bad. I just missed the email
Speaker 5: and I saw the invite an hour before, so I
Speaker 5: decided to hop on. I'm supposed to be talking to
Speaker 5: somebody about this subject on Saturday, so I was going
Speaker 5: to look into Mars stuff tonight anyways, So this has
Speaker 5: just been kind of weird for me. It's cool what
Speaker 5: I know about Mars. Well, Sidonia comes to mind. Then
Speaker 5: you have the possible Bible connections with Edom meaning Red.
Speaker 5: There are two wars mentioned one in Judges one in
Speaker 5: the Book of Isaiah, where there seems to be a
Speaker 5: celestial something celestial happening beyond just Israelites fighting Edomites. Angels
Speaker 5: were admonishing a group of people who maybe weren't people
Speaker 5: a group of individuals from space who were supposed to
Speaker 5: come down here and help Israelites. It's in there, you
Speaker 5: just gotta read with your glasses on.
Speaker 3: I guess so.
Speaker 5: I'm always I've always been curious about those possible Mars
Speaker 5: connections in the Bible, and then of course, of course
Speaker 5: they're remote viewing CIA documents. I saw, uh, I'll put off.
Speaker 5: I think it was the Rogan interview, the recent one
Speaker 5: where he was talking about remote viewing Mars, and as
Speaker 5: he's talking about it, I'm thinking back on the time
Speaker 5: when I actually read through those documents and hearing him
Speaker 5: talk about it was bringing shedding new light on that.
Speaker 5: For me, I thought that he was talking about in
Speaker 5: the documents because they've been redacted and maybe spun I
Speaker 5: thought that he was talking about aliens up there in
Speaker 5: those I don't know, some sort of a cryogenic sleep
Speaker 5: chamber or something. Now I realized in the interview, I realized, oh,
Speaker 5: he's talking about something that looks like us.
Speaker 7: Big, like they were humans.
Speaker 5: They were much taller, yes, all the humans.
Speaker 7: So it seemed like have you ever seen the movie
Speaker 7: John Carter, I'm familiar with that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well that that sort of John Carter monster that
Speaker 8: was much bigger because they had lower gravity on Mars.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know that could have make s Yeah.
Speaker 5: So that's I'll cap it off with that.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then that's so I'm just curious, Tim, I'd be
Speaker 3: curious to know who you're talking to on Saturday about Mars.
Speaker 5: Okay, a guy named Doug Elwell. Okay, well, he wrote
Speaker 5: a book called about Planet X. So he's new to
Speaker 5: me too.
Speaker 3: Actually, okay, all right, thank you, Ethan Well.
Speaker 9: I love chipping into all these wonderful interpretations. I call
Speaker 9: I call it a cult intelligence instead of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 9: We all bring some really interesting ideas. One thing that's
Speaker 9: interesting is the long you know, as long as humanity
Speaker 9: has been here, the symbol symbological influence of Mars. Even
Speaker 9: at the turn of the century. Uh, there was a
Speaker 9: book written by a Russian author, a fiction book that
Speaker 9: was really one of the first modern science fiction books
Speaker 9: that and I think it's it is called rather Red Planet,
Speaker 9: and it is uh, you know, excuse me, red star,
Speaker 9: and and it is in the inspiration for the red
Speaker 9: star symbolism in Russia certainly and beyond. And there the
Speaker 9: guy goes to a utopian planet where you know, communism
Speaker 9: has manifested anyway influence interesting influence. And as someone with
Speaker 9: a layman's comprehension of the nuclear experiment and an interest
Speaker 9: in it, I find the idea that you mentioned in
Speaker 9: or the preview to your film mentions the idea of
Speaker 9: the xenon. Forgive me for forgetting the element number, but
Speaker 9: I find that a really compelling proof of some sort
Speaker 9: of phenomenon that's undeniable. So those two, just the long
Speaker 9: term influence on humanities thinking and that very hard science
Speaker 9: of that being indicative of a powerful event strikes me.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Thank you for that. Yeah, you guys are
Speaker 3: touching on some interesting points here, Julia. I OK, here
Speaker 3: with the question before I get into more about what
Speaker 3: I've worked on here with Mars, I was just taking
Speaker 3: a poll of the room to see what everybody else
Speaker 3: what their starting point was with Mars.
Speaker 2: With Mars in particular. Yeah, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 11: Well, you know, I when I first started my whole
Speaker 11: conspiracy theory journey, I was a big Gaya person, and
Speaker 11: I watched a lot of interviews of people saying that
Speaker 11: there was some interesting stuff going on on Mars and
Speaker 11: that in astrology and stuff. Obviously, I think that it
Speaker 11: does have a spiritual influence over people. I mean, I'm
Speaker 11: curious about all of that stuff. I'm not gonna like
Speaker 11: pooh pooh anybody's beliefs or anything. But there's supposed to
Speaker 11: be like some kind of different race of people that
Speaker 11: lives there or something like that. I know a lot
Speaker 11: of people have talked about that before. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 11: it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is good you guys. You guys have
Speaker 3: have heard a bunch of the cool stuff. And for
Speaker 3: those that have joined us who are watching this who
Speaker 3: have no idea what we're talking about, you know, I'll
Speaker 3: do my best to try to make sense of all
Speaker 3: of this. So yeah, I think if we go back
Speaker 3: to what Lisa was saying, that the broad strokes, I
Speaker 3: guess from the mainstream scientific perspective, and thus the title
Speaker 3: of the film, what we see today is the planet
Speaker 3: was not always as it appears today.
Speaker 9: It was.
Speaker 3: A blue planet. It was a blue planet before Earth,
Speaker 3: and then something happened to it. Now, when we say
Speaker 3: blue planet, there's that excellent BBC series, you know, Blue Planet,
Speaker 3: you guys probably seen. But aside from that, what does
Speaker 3: the word that the phrase blue planet mean what do
Speaker 3: you think that means? What does that conjure up?
Speaker 4: Water?
Speaker 5: Water in life? Going back to something Lisa said, because
Speaker 5: you know, how do we determine if there's life or
Speaker 5: not out there in the universe. It seems to be
Speaker 5: if there's water or not. And judging by the scarred
Speaker 5: topography of Mars, there seems to have been water there.
Speaker 5: So I think it's safe to say that there was
Speaker 5: life there. Maybe still is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. It's that simple blue water life.
Speaker 8: So and I have a quick question, Yeah, there might
Speaker 8: be an issue when it comes to there's no differences
Speaker 8: in like the soil texture. I mean, like just looking
Speaker 8: at it from Earth, it doesn't seem like there's massive
Speaker 8: changes in the I guess geological features. You know, it
Speaker 8: all seems sort of one shaded read.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of does. So at a glance, Mars
Speaker 3: really just appears to be quite an uninteresting place. Everything's
Speaker 3: just homogeneous. I can't help but use the word boring.
Speaker 3: I mean, how many Rover photographs have you guys seen?
Speaker 3: Just a bunch of rocks, just a bunch of red rocks. Thanks, Okay,
Speaker 3: I've seen this one hundred times before. What's the big deal? Well,
Speaker 3: the big deal reveals itself when you start looking at
Speaker 3: the details. Okay, And when I started looking at the
Speaker 3: details as published by people years ahead of when I
Speaker 3: even came across this stuff. See, the thing about the
Speaker 3: documentary is that it's not really breaking any new ground.
Speaker 3: All the information that was presented was already published either
Speaker 3: in research papers or in videos, in books. So I
Speaker 3: just took a you know, let's see a general look
Speaker 3: at the entire landscape, and I said, there's a story here.
Speaker 3: And I have yet to see anybody piece it all together.
Speaker 3: There's so many different people working on Mars, but they're
Speaker 3: all siloed and they don't necessarily like each other. And
Speaker 3: the thing about Mars in general, the way I like
Speaker 3: to frame it is Mars for me is the redheaded
Speaker 3: stepchild of the disclosure topic. Okay, UFOs getting a lot
Speaker 3: of attention these days, and believe me, that's really exciting.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of reporting on UFOs, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of interviews and such, But what are we lacking.
Speaker 4: With UFOs actual physical evidence data? Oh there.
Speaker 3: Evidence. Mars has virtually no reporting on it, but it's
Speaker 3: got a shit ton of data evidence. And let's talk
Speaker 3: about this word evidence, because a lot of people confuse
Speaker 3: this word with the word proof. I when you hear
Speaker 3: me use the word evidence, I'm using it in the
Speaker 3: strictest legal sense. Okay. Evidence means suggestive of, proof means
Speaker 3: conclusive of Okay. So you'll find no shortage of people
Speaker 3: online saying how certain they are of something it is proof,
Speaker 3: it is one hundred percent blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: That is not the language I choose to use, because
Speaker 3: that can get you in a lot of trouble. And
Speaker 3: with regard to communicating what has been discovered on Mars
Speaker 3: by NASA, we have to really be careful with the
Speaker 3: language that we use, and we have to ensure that
Speaker 3: we are communicating two people without getting their defenses up.
Speaker 3: Because when you start talking about all this crazy stuff
Speaker 3: like you guys are touching on, people are like, okay,
Speaker 3: this starts sounding a little wacky. These guys are nuts,
Speaker 3: Like I'm out, So Nick, you know, having been somewhat
Speaker 3: exposed to some of the deeper end stuff here, Ethan
Speaker 3: sounds like you were too. You know, some of the
Speaker 3: stuff in the first half of the film might seem
Speaker 3: kind of mundane, you know, so we're talking about when
Speaker 3: we're talking about water and you know, any potential evidence
Speaker 3: for even just my chrobial life. Okay, but that's where
Speaker 3: a lot of people are Okay. So I structured the
Speaker 3: film as, look, if you don't know anything, that's okay.
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything either, and so I know what
Speaker 3: my journey was like, and if I were, if you
Speaker 3: start with the heavy stuff, it's just too much of
Speaker 3: a shock for people. So I like to get a
Speaker 3: sense of what people know and and get people thinking,
Speaker 3: Like we were just talking about if Mars was a
Speaker 3: blue planet, then what does that really mean, water life,
Speaker 3: what kind of life? Well, if the planet was blue
Speaker 3: for millions or billions of years, that means it was habitable.
Speaker 3: Like look at ancient Earth. Ancient Earth was not habitable.
Speaker 3: It was a hellscape, you know, volcanic activity, not not
Speaker 3: a habitable atmosphere. You know, Earth wasn't like Earth, as
Speaker 3: someone put it to me recently. Earth became Earth like
Speaker 3: much later, but Mars was Earth like a long time ago.
Speaker 3: So you know, there's a there's a gentleman in the
Speaker 3: film who you know, presents the question if Mars was
Speaker 3: like Earth, and if it had water, and if that
Speaker 3: those conditions gave rise to primitive simple life, and if
Speaker 3: that simple life evolved into an intelligent life, who then
Speaker 3: built tools? You know, So there's a plausible way that
Speaker 3: intelligent life, given enough time as we've seen here on Earth,
Speaker 3: could have developed stuff. Now, without really seeing any of
Speaker 3: the pictures or seeing any of the data, it's really
Speaker 3: hard for people to buy into this. And while I
Speaker 3: do criticize NASA for well, they have done a tremendous
Speaker 3: job discovering a lot of stuff. They've given us insights
Speaker 3: into our solar system, our galaxy, in the universe by
Speaker 3: these fancies tools, the engineers that they got at JPL
Speaker 3: making these telescopes and landers and warbiting systems. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just incredible work that that agency has done. They
Speaker 3: have discovered a lot of things. Now where NASA doesn't
Speaker 3: do such a good job is talking about what they've discovered.
Speaker 3: So I'm sitting around here learning all this stuff about
Speaker 3: Mars which're going to get into and I'm thinking, why
Speaker 3: isn't everybody else talking about this? This is nuts? And
Speaker 3: that's the thing. Nothing made it into this film without
Speaker 3: me vetting it first, whether it be the original NASA
Speaker 3: source images on their website, published data, everything. I didn't
Speaker 3: just take people's word for it. I can't put my
Speaker 3: personal and professional reputation on the line for life on
Speaker 3: Mars just based on hearsay. I had to go back
Speaker 3: and track all this stuff down. And that's that's the
Speaker 3: respect that I pay to the audience, Like, look, I'm
Speaker 3: not feeding you stuff that's just made up. This this stuff,
Speaker 3: you could go look this up yourself. You know. People
Speaker 3: say that, so what relative to UFOs microbial life may
Speaker 3: not be that interesting, but in certain circles it's highly
Speaker 3: it's a highly controversial issue, the thought of even just
Speaker 3: simple microbes on a planetary body other than our own.
Speaker 3: Some people will think you're absolutely nuts for even considering
Speaker 3: the idea. And these people are well established, highly credential
Speaker 3: PhDs working in academia or even these trusted institutions like
Speaker 3: like NASA. So and that's the thing about our society
Speaker 3: is that we we do trust, for better or for worse,
Speaker 3: we do trust in our institution since we NASA has
Speaker 3: a pretty high approval rating. People love the work that
Speaker 3: NASA does. Although it's just regarding transparency and the wake.
Speaker 3: In light of this topic of disclosure, they just don't
Speaker 3: have a really good track record on So okay, let's
Speaker 3: talk about the ice caps, Lisa. You brought out the
Speaker 3: ice caps, believe it or not. While there is a
Speaker 3: layer of frozen CO two in the ice caps, they
Speaker 3: are primarily h two oh. It's kind of like ninety
Speaker 3: two oh up to like a mile or maybe two
Speaker 3: miles thick. It's it's incredible. And these things you can
Speaker 3: see with a ground based telescope. You don't even need
Speaker 3: anything that powerful.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 3: Just the fact that there's water on Mars. It's in
Speaker 3: frozen form, but there's water on Mars, not just in
Speaker 3: the polar ice caps, but practically everywhere on the planet.
Speaker 3: Just a few centimeters down, you dig a little bit
Speaker 3: and you'll come across ice. So after meeting a few
Speaker 3: different people along this journey of making this film, I
Speaker 3: met one individual in particular. His name is Professor Richard Hoover. Now,
Speaker 3: if you haven't heard of him, that's okay, many people haven't.
Speaker 3: Professor Richard Hoover was the lead astrobiologist at NASA's Marshall
Speaker 3: Spaceflight Center from nineteen sixty six to twenty twelve, and
Speaker 3: he divulged a lot of stuff to me, But one
Speaker 3: of the interesting things that he told me was that
Speaker 3: there's certain species of microbes that lived directly in ice
Speaker 3: and who have a natural anti freeze that melts the
Speaker 3: ice around them, so they create their own little tiny
Speaker 3: ocean and they can just absorb nutrients. So right there,
Speaker 3: there is a mechanism for microbial life to exist just
Speaker 3: on within the ice of Mars. This is just this
Speaker 3: is a possibilit We haven't even talked about testing yet.
Speaker 3: This is just the possibility. So and as you guys know,
Speaker 3: here's a question. Where do we know microbes exist.
Speaker 7: In space everywhere.
Speaker 3: And basically everywhere. Yeah, in the most extreme environments, including space,
Speaker 3: they have adapted to survive. You can freeze them for
Speaker 3: millions of years and then thaw them out and they'll
Speaker 3: still live. They live in the hydrothermal vents high up
Speaker 3: in the atmosphere. They've even found microbes living directly in
Speaker 3: nuclear waste.
Speaker 4: So my question is.
Speaker 3: Which scientist wants to go to bat for the idea
Speaker 3: that it is impossible for microbes who live on the
Speaker 3: surface of Mars, which does have an atmosphere it's not
Speaker 3: that strong, not that thick like ours is. But certainly
Speaker 3: the conditions on the surface of Mars are not as
Speaker 3: harsh as the harshest conditions on Earth in which we
Speaker 3: find microbes. So this premise is just such a highly
Speaker 3: contested thing. I'm getting this stuff out of the way first,
Speaker 3: just because you know, for those who have no idea
Speaker 3: about Mars, this is where the start of the story is.
Speaker 3: And well, you might ask yourself, have we tested the
Speaker 3: soil of Mars for microbes? Let's let's show a poll here.
Speaker 3: Raise your hand if you think that NASA has tested
Speaker 3: the soil for microbes. Okay, well, see, this is this
Speaker 3: is where I this is where I felt. NASA back
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy six, NASA tested the soil for microbes.
Speaker 3: That's nearly a half century ago. Okay, here's another question.
Speaker 3: How many you guys have ever heard of the Viking Mission? Okay,
Speaker 3: you guys know what it was all about, Maybe not
Speaker 3: really much. I mean it was it was a half
Speaker 3: century ago, right, so it was before some of us
Speaker 3: were even born. Neywe everybody here, So the Viking Mission.
Speaker 3: We want to launch this mission to Mars to see
Speaker 3: what the hell is down there, because we really didn't know.
Speaker 3: You know, you got to think all we had was
Speaker 3: just pictures from Earth, black and white pictures. So the
Speaker 3: Viking mission sent two probes to Mars. Each probe had
Speaker 3: an orbiter that circled the planet and the lander that
Speaker 3: went down to two orbiters and two landers. Now, can
Speaker 3: you imagine back in nineteen seventy six getting something to
Speaker 3: land on Mars without crashing like stuff will crash today. Now,
Speaker 3: JPL's gotten really damn good at engineering this stuff to
Speaker 3: making sure that doesn't happen. But like you know, India
Speaker 3: sent something recently and they to the Moon and it crashed.
Speaker 3: So back in nineteen seventy six, this is a feat
Speaker 3: of engineering unlike anything else that had ever been done. Now,
Speaker 3: the two landers that landed on Mars, all they did land,
Speaker 3: They couldn't move around. Okay. These two landers were equipped
Speaker 3: with three different life detection experiments. Okay, there is one
Speaker 3: of them that is most always is usually referred to
Speaker 3: it because it is the most consequential. I have to
Speaker 3: get into the weeds a little bit here because it's
Speaker 3: really technical. But at the end of this you'll understand
Speaker 3: why this one particular life detection experiment. I'll just tell
Speaker 3: you how it works, really really easy. You take a
Speaker 3: soup a soup, you take a scoop of soil, you
Speaker 3: feed it some nutrients, and you see if any gas
Speaker 3: comes out of it. And what it's testing for is
Speaker 3: essentially just my crobe metabolism, respiration, or just the ingestion
Speaker 3: of food. And you know, of you eat food, you
Speaker 3: produce gas.
Speaker 4: That's it. Now.
Speaker 3: This test was developed by a gentleman by the name
Speaker 3: of doctor gil Levin who designed this thing completely independent
Speaker 3: of NASA because he was working as a sanitary engineer
Speaker 3: needed to make sure that the water he was testing
Speaker 3: didn't have pathogens in it. He got wind back in
Speaker 3: the early seventies that NASA is going to Mars, and
Speaker 3: he's like, hey, you guys looking for Mars. Are you
Speaker 3: guys looking for life on Mars. NASA administrator at a
Speaker 3: cocktail party said yeah, in fact, we are.
Speaker 4: We're going to go.
Speaker 3: We're going to we want to send something there to
Speaker 3: look for life on Mars. And so doctor Gilivin he's like,
Speaker 3: guess what, I got just the thing for you. My
Speaker 3: little gizmo tests the soil directly for micros and here's
Speaker 3: how it works. And he told him how it works.
Speaker 3: This thing, this test was called, it's got a funky name,
Speaker 3: the labeled Release experiment, and the labeled Release experiment was
Speaker 3: tested over four thousand times on Earth and never produced
Speaker 3: a false positive nor false negative. I don't know how
Speaker 3: you guys add that up, but in my book, that's
Speaker 3: a perfect test. It was sensitive enough to test to
Speaker 3: discover just ten micro organisms within a cubic foot of
Speaker 3: soil or something like that. Highly sensitive. So guess what.
Speaker 3: They send it to Mars again on two landers to
Speaker 3: go down. Now, who wants to guess what? The results
Speaker 3: came back at both landing sites. This thing tests positive.
Speaker 8: Wouldn't this confirm the idea that there would be fossilized
Speaker 8: microbes in the asteroids that hit up near the North Pole?
Speaker 8: I know that was a big story, but they were
Speaker 8: kind of crapping all over it. Don't these two confirm
Speaker 8: one another.
Speaker 3: We'll get to that because that is part of the story.
Speaker 3: Get to that next. Now, why hasn't NASA for the
Speaker 3: past fifty years now, why haven't they been telling the
Speaker 3: public that they found we'll just say evidence evidence for
Speaker 3: microbial activity on Mars? Well, Unfortunately, on the Viking mission
Speaker 3: that they sent to Mars on these landers, they included
Speaker 3: another test. And this other test, all it was supposed
Speaker 3: to do was test the soil for organic matter. Okay,
Speaker 3: now that test came back negative. So NASA was scratching
Speaker 3: their heads. How can you have life in the soil
Speaker 3: without organic matter in the soil. They didn't know, so
Speaker 3: they essentially called it and they said, ah, the tests
Speaker 3: are inconclusive, We're not sure, and then later revised that
Speaker 3: to absolutely no evidence. All right, But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Decades later, we started sending rovers everybody knows the Curiosity Rover.
Speaker 3: The latest one was Perseverance. Well, guess what fifteen years ago,
Speaker 3: maybe ten years ago, the Curiosity Rover found the organic
Speaker 3: matter that they were trying to look for in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy six. Turns out that test that they sent in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six that did not find the organic matter
Speaker 3: wasn't sensitive enough. And what makes it even worse is
Speaker 3: that they knew it. They sent this organics test to
Speaker 3: the soil to Antarctica to test the soil of an Arctica,
Speaker 3: and it didn't find organic matter in the soil of
Speaker 3: Van Artica, and This was before they sent it to Mars,
Speaker 3: so they kind of knew it was a faulty test,
Speaker 3: but they sent it anyway, and they let that be
Speaker 3: the determining factor on whether or not there was life
Speaker 3: on Mars, and that shaped the entire narrative from nineteen
Speaker 3: six to seventy six until now. And doctor Gilivin, the
Speaker 3: man who designed the labeled release experiment, who arguably discovered
Speaker 3: life on Mars, was marginalized from the community, shunned by
Speaker 3: his peers. People are trying to pick fights with him
Speaker 3: at conferences, telling him really nasty things, and he died
Speaker 3: right before I made the movie without ever having his
Speaker 3: research vindicated. So this is a tragic tale. And I'm
Speaker 3: hoping to write this wrong here because the question is why,
Speaker 3: in the wake of finding this organic matter, after they
Speaker 3: sent the Curiosity Rover the perfect better Design test, did
Speaker 3: they not revisit those results from nineteen seventy six. They
Speaker 3: just kind of let that go. So what's even more
Speaker 3: interesting is that this is not the only evidence for
Speaker 3: microbial life on Mars. Nick, how much time do we
Speaker 3: have because I don't want to go into everything.
Speaker 4: It's up to you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to bore people this kind
Speaker 3: of boring stuff here.
Speaker 4: All right, this is good, Now, this is good.
Speaker 8: This should bring up the idea that maybe there's a
Speaker 8: dormancy type activities going on with these microes.
Speaker 7: Micros go into dormancy on Earth. So it could have
Speaker 7: to do with the because I.
Speaker 8: Mean, they're talking about organic matters, if that's the one
Speaker 8: determining factor.
Speaker 3: When it's not on Earth, right, yes, yes, that's a
Speaker 3: very good point. Let's revisit the Curiosity we're over here.
Speaker 3: I think it was twenty fifteen. I think those ten
Speaker 3: years ago, twenty fifteen, the Curiosity Rover, when it discovered
Speaker 3: that organic matter that had until that point been in
Speaker 3: question whether or not it was there. It also discovered
Speaker 3: a very particular, odd organic substance. It's odd simply because
Speaker 3: most people haven't heard of it. Believe me, I didn't
Speaker 3: either the Curiosity Rover. See Nick, some of this wasn't
Speaker 3: in the film. I learned this after making the film,
Speaker 3: and thus I've continued the work on my YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: We can get to that later. The Curiosity Rover discovered
Speaker 3: the organic matter, and it also discovered a very particular
Speaker 3: organic substance known as die methyl sulfide. Okay, no one's
Speaker 3: heard of dimethyl sulfide.
Speaker 7: I've heard of dug methyl saltboxide.
Speaker 1: Isn't it? Isn't it?
Speaker 6: Isn't it?
Speaker 1: What I mean there were bacteria prior to the Great
Speaker 1: oxidation events that were metabolizer treating sulfide on dial disulfide,
Speaker 1: and that they were using Jobson and retinal to process
Speaker 1: the Sun, and therefore planet was purple and not blue.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 1: Was that similar to the same bacteria from Jobson based you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm not I'm not sure that's that's out of
Speaker 3: outside of my experts.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, but here's.
Speaker 3: What I can tell you. You guys know the James
Speaker 3: Webb telescope, right, Okay, it's the fancy telescope massa launched
Speaker 3: a few years ago that's able to image galaxies hundreds
Speaker 3: of millions of light years away, you know, back to
Speaker 3: the beginning of time, they say, And it's finding stuff
Speaker 3: so far away, perfect crystal clear imagery. Sometimes there's been
Speaker 3: some news articles that have been published within the past
Speaker 3: six months saying how researchers using the James Web telescope
Speaker 3: have found exoplanets, meaning planets orbiting stars millions of light
Speaker 3: years away with what appeared to be habitable atmospheres and
Speaker 3: signs of life. James Web telescope. You could just google
Speaker 3: it right now. James Web telescopes finds exoplanets with signs
Speaker 3: of life. Now, what is the James Web telescope looking
Speaker 3: for to make that claim that it has found signs
Speaker 3: of life?
Speaker 7: Microbes?
Speaker 3: Dimethyl sulfide. That's where that claim, that's how that claim
Speaker 3: is being based. It's the dime. It's the signature, a
Speaker 3: spectroscopic signature of dimethyl sulfide that they are finding in
Speaker 3: these exoplanets, which get scientists on Earth really excited because
Speaker 3: that is a very strong biosignature. Why is it a
Speaker 3: very strong biosignature? If you go to NASA's website today
Speaker 3: right now, on their website, even NASA admits there's only
Speaker 3: one way to make dimethyl sulfide, which is through active
Speaker 3: microbial activity. You need microbes. Microbes make dimethyl sulfide. That's
Speaker 3: the only process that makes dimethylsulfide. Now, sure you might
Speaker 3: get some scientists and lab coats in a laboratory cooking
Speaker 3: stuff up, but that doesn't count. Okay, The only natural
Speaker 3: process that makes dimethyl sulfa and it's on Mars. So
Speaker 3: I think it's exciting that we're finding these biosignatures out
Speaker 3: in deep space, but we're saying we're finding the same
Speaker 3: biosignature right next door. Now, how come we're not making
Speaker 3: a bigger deal about that curiosity? You're over found this?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the question here has less to do
Speaker 5: with is their life on Mars or anywhere else up there?
Speaker 5: But why is it not being talked about? And more so,
Speaker 5: why hasn't it been talked about? Like I mean, I
Speaker 5: remember Art Bell used to talk about this all the
Speaker 5: time on a weekly basis. Sometimes in the nineties. They
Speaker 5: were having discussions about the relative to what we're talking
Speaker 5: about today, about the findings of the day. And then
Speaker 5: when that shows when he passed, it's like this narrative
Speaker 5: or people, it just stopped.
Speaker 7: So why weren't they talking about it?
Speaker 9: Then?
Speaker 5: Why aren't they talking about it now?
Speaker 3: Well, it takes an awful lot of words to explain
Speaker 3: all that. I mean, we're sitting here ten minutes later.
Speaker 3: I just had to get all that out. And that's
Speaker 3: the condensed version this discovery of microbes on Mars from
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six was more or less seen as a
Speaker 3: public embarrassment for NASA because they got the public excited
Speaker 3: about going to NASA, about going to Mars and finding life.
Speaker 3: They say, look, we're gonna go look for life, and
Speaker 3: then it came back inconclusive, and so they didn't want
Speaker 3: here's the sad part. It's a lot of sad but
Speaker 3: guess what. Okay, so the tests come back in conclusive
Speaker 3: according to NASA in nineteen seventy six, you might think,
Speaker 3: let's just send another one with better instruments five ten
Speaker 3: years later. Now the question is have they done that? Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: that's right. They happened, but they've made the public think
Speaker 3: that they have. They're sending robots, but nothing that they
Speaker 3: have sent since nineteen seventy six has been equipped with
Speaker 3: a direct life detection experience. They're only looking at geology now.
Speaker 3: There's no biology tests that they're sending. So what they're
Speaker 3: looking for now are signs of ancient life, and that
Speaker 3: basically means we're looking at the rocks to see kind
Speaker 3: of how they evolved over the past few million years.
Speaker 3: But they're not actually directly looking for life. It wouldn't
Speaker 3: cost hardly anything to send something up there. They're just
Speaker 3: avoiding the question because they don't want another public embarrassment,
Speaker 3: or it's really opening up a whole can of worms
Speaker 3: because the textbooks for the past fifty years say there's
Speaker 3: no life on Mars, so they don't want to look silly. Now,
Speaker 3: this is a bit of speculation on my part, but
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here trying to think what else could it be?
Speaker 3: Now we'll skip over the rest. There's actually okay, here's
Speaker 3: one other cool thing you guys may not have heard,
Speaker 3: and it kind of blew my mind, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: why haven't we followed up on this scientist, doctor Carol
Speaker 3: Stoker through the use of spectroscopy. Do you guys know
Speaker 3: what spectroscopy is? Lisa, you're checking your you're nodding. What
Speaker 3: can you explain spectrosophy?
Speaker 1: You're looking at the rectant refractance of a certain molecule,
Speaker 1: protein whatever that emits certain light at certain animators, and
Speaker 1: therefore you can kind of gauge its size or makeup
Speaker 1: or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, headless, giinta ce none to two?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I was.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say.
Speaker 8: Spectroscopy can be used anytime you're looking up at an asteroid.
Speaker 8: You could tell the makeup of the minerals inside that
Speaker 8: asteroid by how it burns through the atmosphere or colors it.
Speaker 3: Takes right pectroscopy, right, Okay, Now this is this is
Speaker 3: a solid tool that very serious scientists used to try
Speaker 3: to figure out what the substance is made out of. Okay,
Speaker 3: they use They published papers all the time. Here's what
Speaker 3: we found using spectroscopy. It is a credible tool. So
Speaker 3: NASA scientist, doctor Carol Stoker, who still works at NASA today,
Speaker 3: through the use of spectroscopy, well, guess what she found
Speaker 3: on Mars. She found chlorophyll. Why hasn't anyone made a
Speaker 3: bigger deal about that? Now? Is this proof? I'll just
Speaker 3: say it's evidence. But this is just where the story starts, folks,
Speaker 3: the boring MicroB stuff. So, but you have the biologists
Speaker 3: over here in this camp. Then you have independent researchers here,
Speaker 3: you have academics over here, and even Richard Hoover who
Speaker 3: worked for NASA, Goodness, he had a whole lot of
Speaker 3: interesting things to say. They're not talking to each other,
Speaker 3: and they think by publishing a paper the world's going
Speaker 3: to change tomorrow. But it doesn't. They don't really make
Speaker 3: good public relations experts. They're too busy doing science, too
Speaker 3: busy publishing the work. So I felt, look, I'm just
Speaker 3: a guy who knows storytelling. I felt like I could
Speaker 3: help elevate this material. And that's what I'm here doing
Speaker 3: with you guys today. I think you guys are great audience.
Speaker 3: You peaks so patient with me explaining all this stuff,
Speaker 3: but it's it's kind of complicated. So we've got the
Speaker 3: evidence from my krobial life. Nikki, look like you, we're
Speaker 3: gonna jump in and say something. Okay, we've got the
Speaker 3: evidence from my krobial life. Some of you might remember,
Speaker 3: let's fast forward a little bit to nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 3: when Bill Clinton was president. Headless giant. This might be
Speaker 3: what you were talking about before. But well, in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty four, a team of NASA scientists went down to Antarctica,
Speaker 3: and will they do this all the time. They collect
Speaker 3: meteorites that fall to Earth, and Antarctica is a great
Speaker 3: place to look for because it's just nothing but white,
Speaker 3: and you're looking for a black rock. It sticks out
Speaker 3: like a sore thumb. And long story short, they found
Speaker 3: an interesting meteorite and they brought it back and did
Speaker 3: some analysis, and it wasn't really until ten years later
Speaker 3: where they finally published what they found. And what they
Speaker 3: found was a Martian meteorite that contained what appeared to
Speaker 3: be a little tiny piece of bacteria in it. And
Speaker 3: this made so much This was such a big story
Speaker 3: that it went all the way up to the White
Speaker 3: House and Bill Clinton actually had a press conference on
Speaker 3: the White House lawn in nineteen ninety six about this
Speaker 3: rock having evidence for fossilized microbial life. Now, if you
Speaker 3: look at that image today, it looks like a little
Speaker 3: tiny worm, and sure it could be. It couldn't be.
Speaker 3: There's some other reasons why it could be. And it's
Speaker 3: a really famous image. And I'll still see articles in
Speaker 3: my mainstream news feeds about scientists talking about this one
Speaker 3: particular rock, and it took the world by storm, but
Speaker 3: it in and of itself is highly controversial. And I'm
Speaker 3: sitting down there at the Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama,
Speaker 3: interviewing Professor Richard Hoover, who was NASA's lead astrobiologist at
Speaker 3: Marshall Space Flight Center. Guy's in his eighties now, and
Speaker 3: he tells me a little story about how when they
Speaker 3: discovered this particular media right that he was shocked that
Speaker 3: everyone is making such a big deal about it because
Speaker 3: it was not the first meteorite to have been discovered
Speaker 3: to contain micro fossils in it. He's like, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows there's micro fossils and metia rights. I already
Speaker 3: knew that. He's turns out, long story short, I did
Speaker 3: some homework on this, and they've been publishing on micro
Speaker 3: fossils and metea writes since nineteen sixty six. And I've
Speaker 3: here we could start a little show and tell Nick
Speaker 3: if you'd like, here's an image. Let me just okay,
Speaker 3: So I said, Professor Hoover, you're telling me that we've
Speaker 3: known about microfossils since nineteen sixty six. He's like, yes,
Speaker 3: in fact, I've published on a number of them myself.
Speaker 3: And I said, well, how come I never heard about this?
Speaker 3: He says, I don't know. NASA just didn't want to
Speaker 3: talk about it. I said, well, if there only was
Speaker 3: a picture, because the picture from that most famous media
Speaker 3: righte that went to Bill Clinton, this one called the
Speaker 3: Allen Hills media right, Okay, I said, if there only
Speaker 3: was a picture and I'm sitting there at Longhorn Steakhouse
Speaker 3: at lunch with them. I said, if there only was
Speaker 3: the picture goes huh. He whips out his tablet and
Speaker 3: shows me something, and I'm going to show you what
Speaker 3: he showed me. Let me present here. Sure screen, yes,
Speaker 3: sure screen? Here we go, screen two? Is it? Yes
Speaker 3: with me? Yeah, no problem, Here we go. Okay, guys,
Speaker 3: you tell me what does that look like to you?
Speaker 3: Can you guys see that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Gothics?
Speaker 2: Where are these a picture of the same same thing?
Speaker 2: Just once like zoomed in?
Speaker 3: Yes, well there's a there's okay, what I'll tell you
Speaker 3: what specifically these things are, Juliet. These are actually two
Speaker 3: different samples, but yes, one is zoomed in.
Speaker 8: Further, it looks like they are flagelli in that one
Speaker 8: on the right, and then some other sort of organelles
Speaker 8: on the one on the left.
Speaker 1: They look like gills or vacuums or vents.
Speaker 3: Hey, let me ask you a simple question. Does this
Speaker 3: look like a rock or does this look like life?
Speaker 2: It looks like it looks like a parasite. Yeah, almost eggs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Okay, what you're seeing here are are are fossilized. These
Speaker 3: are These were not living when these were discovered. But
Speaker 3: what you're seeing here are known as diatoms. Has anyone
Speaker 3: heard of a diatom? Okay, see a coupleple nodding, lis,
Speaker 3: So what is a diatom?
Speaker 1: It is a unicellular organism that is probably one of
Speaker 1: the most abundant organisms that has existed throughout the history
Speaker 1: of the Earth.
Speaker 3: Believe it or not, diatoms produce about half of the
Speaker 3: oxygen that we breathe here on Earth. O. They're found
Speaker 3: in the sea. These things are used for due to
Speaker 3: their excellent filtration qualities. You can grind these things up
Speaker 3: and you can use them. You guys ever have a
Speaker 3: pool or know someone who has a pool, Sometimes you
Speaker 3: hear that they have these kind of filtration systems called
Speaker 3: de filtering diatomaceous earth. That's ground up diatoms.
Speaker 1: We'll use that to kill insects as well. Tide samaceous earth.
Speaker 1: You can sprinkle around your garden and they'll cut up
Speaker 1: the legs and insides of the insects.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's just cuting.
Speaker 2: Can take it.
Speaker 11: You can take it as an herbal supplement as well.
Speaker 11: It's sort of parasites in your.
Speaker 3: Get interesting, so they've got some use. But diatoms are
Speaker 3: quite common. And here what we see on the left
Speaker 3: here is two complete diatoms each other because.
Speaker 2: Because they're getting nasty.
Speaker 11: That's how they that's how they make new diatoones, is
Speaker 11: they This is the this is the mating ritual.
Speaker 2: And that's that's how they do it.
Speaker 8: If you got ejected from Mars's atmosphere, you would find
Speaker 8: the closest person next to you and hug them as
Speaker 8: hard as.
Speaker 3: You could as well, Yes, I believe. I believe what
Speaker 3: just happened here was that they reproduced and that they
Speaker 3: were simply just frozen in time this way. And what
Speaker 3: we see here on the right is a fragment just
Speaker 3: zoomed and even further, I mean, these things look like ribs.
Speaker 3: But I said, I looked at this image, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: how come the world hadn't seen this image? This is
Speaker 3: clearly to the naked eye, to the untrained eye, rather
Speaker 3: much more easily discernible as being life instead of the
Speaker 3: most famous meteorite, Alan Hill's being talked about by Bill Clinton,
Speaker 3: which is a magnificent discovery in its own right. But
Speaker 3: you don't need a degree to look at this and
Speaker 3: be like, you know what, that's life. Now again, this
Speaker 3: is fossilized. Okay, so the main critique. And by the way,
Speaker 3: the meteorite that these were in is known as the
Speaker 3: Orgell meteorite. It's a French word because it fell in
Speaker 3: this town of Orgel in France in eighteen sixty four.
Speaker 3: All right, this is a known media right, but the
Speaker 3: common criticism is, well, this is just terrestrial contamination. These
Speaker 3: are not extraterrestrial microbes. These are just little critters that
Speaker 3: into the rock after the rock fell down to Earth. Well,
Speaker 3: there's a problem. These are fossils. Fossils don't hop Number one.
Speaker 3: Number two, there's no nitrogen content in these things. Now,
Speaker 3: what's the big deal about that? Every living thing has
Speaker 3: nitrogen in it. Nitrogen depletes from an organism, but it
Speaker 3: takes a really long time, thousands or millions of years.
Speaker 3: So these things have been dead for a very long time.
Speaker 3: These things did not just hop into the rock and
Speaker 3: to the inside of a rock. I mean, my god,
Speaker 3: how absurd. There's an astronomer who is kind of famous,
Speaker 3: Phil Plate, the bad astronomer. He was talking about this,
Speaker 3: criticizing this. For that reason, I'm like phil Plate, you
Speaker 3: got to know the difference between a living organism and
Speaker 3: a fossil. So it's surprising to me something like this
Speaker 3: isn't getting more attention. And this particular mediaite that fell
Speaker 3: in France in eighteen sixty four, isotopic data highly suggests
Speaker 3: that this was a Martian mediaite. Okay, so there's our
Speaker 3: first bit of evidence, and there's more, there are more photos.
Speaker 3: That's just the best example that I've got to share
Speaker 3: with people. Now when you have the lead again, the
Speaker 3: lead the guy running the astrobiology department at one of
Speaker 3: NASA's facilities, saying he's discovered on multiple occasions multiple micro
Speaker 3: organisms from extraterrestrial meteaites. Why are we not listening to him.
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: He retired in twenty twelve because he said the NASA
Speaker 3: that he started working for in nineteen sixty six was
Speaker 3: not the same NASA that he was working for in
Speaker 3: twenty twelve. And unfortunately, this research got to be a
Speaker 3: thorn in the side of NASA who didn't really want
Speaker 3: to embrace it. They couldn't refute it, but they really
Speaker 3: didn't want to talk about it. The question is why
Speaker 3: we can only speculate, but all of this research basically
Speaker 3: led to his retirement, and I do a deep dive
Speaker 3: with him and he tells the whole story about the
Speaker 3: back and forth, what the events leading up to his
Speaker 3: retirement in these discoveries, and how they just didn't want
Speaker 3: him to talk about it. And so I was able
Speaker 3: to capture his story on my YouTube channel for those
Speaker 3: who care. I mean, it's a really long interview, but
Speaker 3: this guy is brilliant. You listen to him talk and
Speaker 3: it's like, this guy knows exactly what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: This guy, Richard Hoover, has been studying diatoms for decades.
Speaker 3: He's an expert on diatoms. He's an expert on scanning
Speaker 3: electron microscopy, he's an expert on biology. The guy knows
Speaker 3: what he's talking about. So I had a great question there, Yeah,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 8: About the nature of these diatoms. Are they a separate
Speaker 8: species from any of the other known diatoms on Earth.
Speaker 8: I know there's a lot of variety in diatoms themselves
Speaker 8: because they have that you know, carapace that comes in
Speaker 8: all sorts of shapes and sizes, But is this separate
Speaker 8: from all the species on Earth.
Speaker 7: That's the I think that should be one of the questions.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, you're absolutely right, and thank you for bringing
Speaker 3: that up. Because diatoms do come in all shapes and sizes.
Speaker 3: They just don't look like this, but some of them
Speaker 3: look like this. Okay, And you know, Nick, George Howard
Speaker 3: is familiar with diatoms and meteorites, and we've talked about
Speaker 3: this at length. Nick. You guys know George how the
Speaker 3: Cosmic Summit organizer, quite often a lot of what diatoms
Speaker 3: actually look like. It's so funny how he refers to him. Nick.
Speaker 3: He's says, diatoms typically look like little tiny spaceships. They're
Speaker 3: so interesting looking.
Speaker 5: So what does the expert say about what was happening
Speaker 5: in that picture you just showed us. Was that two
Speaker 5: of them just happened to be next to each other
Speaker 5: or were they actually in the process of reproducing life?
Speaker 3: Yes, Richard Hoover believes that they had just finished. I
Speaker 3: guess it's a sexual reproduction. I don't know too much
Speaker 3: about how they reproduce.
Speaker 9: But.
Speaker 3: To find I'll tell you this much, to find two
Speaker 3: of them like that next to each other is rare.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you could really find
Speaker 3: another photograph like that fossilized diatom two of them like that.
Speaker 3: He might have only ever seen one other, you know,
Speaker 3: for those interested in learning more about these dietimes in
Speaker 3: the work of this guy, I went down and I
Speaker 3: had to go interview them again after the film came out,
Speaker 3: because he has so much to say. I've got a
Speaker 3: whole nearly five hour long interview with this guy. He
Speaker 3: could tell you. It's titled The His of Microfossils and
Speaker 3: Meteorites from nineteen sixty six to two thousand to present day.
Speaker 3: You know, no, in nineteen sixty one, even earlier, like
Speaker 3: people were working on it even before him.
Speaker 10: And I'm like, how come we haven't heard.
Speaker 3: About this stuff. It took us to nineteen ninety six
Speaker 3: to find out about this stuff. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 9: Can I say that it seems to me, even with
Speaker 9: what you've presented here, which I know is the partial
Speaker 9: presentation of the totality of the information that you assimilated,
Speaker 9: it's it. It leads one, as you've suggested, to kind
Speaker 9: of say without hesitance that their silence and their omission
Speaker 9: of further research speaks volumes in a sense that you
Speaker 9: don't try to hide something that doesn't exist. And it
Speaker 9: seems to me that there's something that they're offiscating, right.
Speaker 9: It seems to me something is being hidden. I don't
Speaker 9: know what, but I wonder if in your research to
Speaker 9: heard rumors, you know, because it seems like other people
Speaker 9: must you know, suggest the same kind of powdern.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ethan, Basically, that's the whole line of questioning with
Speaker 3: everything that's in the film. Why aren't they not acknowledging this?
Speaker 4: Why not that?
Speaker 3: Why not this? Why do that?
Speaker 4: And if we could, we.
Speaker 3: Could even bring a specific example of Nasta's I don't
Speaker 3: know if this really helps inform the discussion, but some
Speaker 3: of you might be familiar with the fact that NASA
Speaker 3: has been artificially coloring their images of Mars for decades,
Speaker 3: making the planet peer a lot more red than it
Speaker 3: actually is. I see a lot of nodding heads.
Speaker 7: They do that with a lot of images. It makes
Speaker 7: all of their stories seem far less credible.
Speaker 11: I actually have a question about that very things. Yes,
Speaker 11: maybe you cleared this up in the beginning.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 11: I came in late, so you can just let me know.
Speaker 11: We do you consider yourself to be like a conspiracy
Speaker 11: theory guy, a spiritual.
Speaker 2: Guy, like a sci fi kind of.
Speaker 11: I just want to know how to proceed with this
Speaker 11: question because I don't want to take to train too
Speaker 11: far off the tracks because I'm full blown, like there's
Speaker 11: probably something wrong with me. Bread'snot all the way cooked.
Speaker 11: I don't want to freak you out.
Speaker 2: What would you would you say you're a conspiracy theory
Speaker 2: guy or.
Speaker 3: No? But I'll tell you this much, after going down
Speaker 3: this rabbit hole and meeting a whole bunch of interesting
Speaker 3: people and seeing what's being reported on, I'm certainly entertaining
Speaker 3: a lot more these days than I used to.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 8: The whole microbe thing really does point to they have
Speaker 8: a narrative they are not willing to step on.
Speaker 11: Well, I think they found something else the first time
Speaker 11: they discovered the microbes. They got up there and they
Speaker 11: discovered the microbes. That's great, but they probably discovered something
Speaker 11: else too. There's probably a whole underground civilization on that
Speaker 11: motherfucker chilling on the inside, some type of journey to
Speaker 11: the center of the air shit with waterfalls and fucking
Speaker 11: butterflies and everything. And they won't even talk about the microbes,
Speaker 11: because when you talk about the microbes, then you got
Speaker 11: to admit that there's some shit going on that goes
Speaker 11: way beyond finding the microbes. There's probably like some kind
Speaker 11: of catastrophe that happened to Mars and fucked it all up,
Speaker 11: and it drove the people inside, and we're just finding
Speaker 11: like the remnants of their life and the and the
Speaker 11: ecosystem and everything, like little fossilized fragments on the surface,
Speaker 11: and all those bitches is in their chilling.
Speaker 2: On the inside, laughing. Every time we send it over.
Speaker 11: It's like you think they're gonna find us, and it's
Speaker 11: like no, because they won't even talk about the microbes. Anyways.
Speaker 11: This is very fascinating presentation. I always knew there was
Speaker 11: something wrong with Mars.
Speaker 5: I was gonna be something. There's something bigger. There's something
Speaker 5: bigger that it's being hidden here.
Speaker 3: That's what I think.
Speaker 5: That's what it saved, Tim. I mean, I agree, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know about the waterfalls. Maybe we
Speaker 5: can just they got.
Speaker 12: Waterfalls, they got the waterfalls, they got everybody like, if
Speaker 12: there's micro fossils in the meteorites from Mars, then maybe
Speaker 12: that suggests Mark as an atmosphere, which maybe explains why
Speaker 12: there's Sidonia and a sphinx up there with a headdress
Speaker 12: and a semester face on the what used to be
Speaker 12: the pole of Mars.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tim, That's what I'm talking about. There was
Speaker 2: a whole civilization.
Speaker 11: Something happened to him, just like in Earth's history, where
Speaker 11: all the ancient civilizations talk about a massive flood event.
Speaker 11: Every civilization doesn't matter, it's not it doesn't even have
Speaker 11: to be biblical. They talk about the flood story, how
Speaker 11: they were driven underground into tunnels because they were avoiding
Speaker 11: this cataclysm. I think something similar happened on Mars and
Speaker 11: it drove the people inside. Anyways, Like I said, I
Speaker 11: don't want to take the train too far off the tracks,
Speaker 11: but I I have always been fascinated with that because
Speaker 11: I think that they've known about something for a long time,
Speaker 11: and the microbes are just like the beginning of it.
Speaker 11: I think they're hiding so much like it would change
Speaker 11: human history if they were ever to announce what they've
Speaker 11: really found.
Speaker 9: Bran Well, if you mentioned chlorophyll earlier, and I think
Speaker 9: I know the answer to this, but that cannot be
Speaker 9: found when it's ancient or is it something It must
Speaker 9: have been an ongoing chemical process.
Speaker 3: The only thing that was published on this ethan was
Speaker 3: an abstract a paragraph. NASA, someone who is more informed
Speaker 3: about the situation, relate to me that NASA said, you
Speaker 3: can't publish on this any further. So all we got
Speaker 3: is an abstract. But what least we got that I.
Speaker 1: Will say that diatom's You have algae classified as diatoms,
Speaker 1: and algae utilized chlorophyll to photosynthesize, so you do have that,
Speaker 1: and that could be it.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: I'll insert this. I do think that a majority of
Speaker 1: scientists are myopic in their view of what life. The
Speaker 1: definition of life is. No one wants to call a
Speaker 1: bacterial cell life because it gives, it almost gives the
Speaker 1: air of we are insignificant because there is so much
Speaker 1: life around. Life is seeming it's bacteria. But when you
Speaker 1: start to call bacteria life, the newspaper should say life
Speaker 1: found on Mars, and it doesn't because it's not going
Speaker 1: to call bacteria life even though it is. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that when we consider only be carbon based,
Speaker 1: we have further become more myopic in our definition. That's
Speaker 1: that's just me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Sidley so Well said, and Julia, you were
Speaker 3: sort of dancing around exactly what this whole film is about. Okay,
Speaker 3: I mean again, we're just on the boring microbe stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean we haven't even gotten the juicy. This is
Speaker 3: not juicy relative to the other stuff. Okay. Now what
Speaker 3: we can do here is we can pivot to something
Speaker 3: else here. Okay, again, let's remind ourselves. If this planet
Speaker 3: was once blue and we're talking about microbes, well, then
Speaker 3: the next question is, well, is there anything bigger than
Speaker 3: microbes that was ever on Mars? Turns out we got
Speaker 3: some interesting photos. Let me cue something else up for you, guys.
Speaker 4: I was, but I didn't know if he didn't want
Speaker 4: to cover it and leave it for the movie.
Speaker 3: Hey, we got time.
Speaker 4: Julie was talking about stuff.
Speaker 3: He was kind of talking. You just tell me you
Speaker 3: want to stop talking to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, listen, did I put the cart before the horse?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I didn't want to ruin the president.
Speaker 3: We did a teaser. It's a user one. Okay, but
Speaker 3: we're gonna get there. But at first, first, have you
Speaker 3: guys let me ask you this. Just nod your head.
Speaker 3: If any of you guys have ever heard of something
Speaker 3: called a crnoid.
Speaker 4: I did once I show your show.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm trying to learn some shit over here, all right,
Speaker 3: So nick I just shared something here. Okay. So what
Speaker 3: we see here is something called a cryanoid. It's a
Speaker 3: sea creature I call it. It's like a flowery starfish. Okay,
Speaker 3: they are quite common. If you're a marine biologist, you
Speaker 3: know exactly what a cryanoid is. Now, what you see
Speaker 3: on the left is a fossil of what what is
Speaker 3: called a stalked crynoid, a stalk. So that part on
Speaker 3: the left with typically go down and anchor itself into
Speaker 3: the seabed. Okay, So it's just it's sideways now because
Speaker 3: we have a comparison. Okay, So it looks like a plant,
Speaker 3: but it's actually an animal. Sea creatures are funny that way.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: Now, what you will see is you see the stalk
Speaker 3: coming up. And while it might be hard to tell,
Speaker 3: so I can zoom into it. It's uh, can you
Speaker 3: guys see my mouse? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I can?
Speaker 3: Okay, So it this process of branching out here is
Speaker 3: called bifurcation. You know, it splits, it bifurcates. Okay, so
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna show you next are two different images.
Speaker 3: One is on Mars and one is on Earth. And
Speaker 3: I want to see if you guys can guess which
Speaker 3: one is which. Okay, all right, so we have something
Speaker 3: here on the left, we have something here on the right. Now,
Speaker 3: can you guys see basically we have a stem here.
Speaker 3: This one's curved, but it's bifurcating right here. And over
Speaker 3: here we have a stem and it's bifurcating right here.
Speaker 3: Can you guys see that? Okay? So, so how many
Speaker 3: people think the one on the left is from Earth?
Speaker 4: I'll say that one's Earth, yeah, okay.
Speaker 10: And on the on the right, you guys, the left Mars.
Speaker 7: Me too.
Speaker 5: The one on the right looks like the same stem
Speaker 5: from the picture that you just shut Okay, yeah, cud
Speaker 5: does look similar.
Speaker 3: Well, the one of left is from Mars, one of
Speaker 3: the right is from Earth.
Speaker 7: Okay, Now it's the definition.
Speaker 3: What was claimed was that NASA, the NASA again, NASA Hello, NASA,
Speaker 3: the Opportunity Rover in two thousand and four took this image,
Speaker 3: the one that you see here on the left. This
Speaker 3: thing is only about three or four inches big. It's
Speaker 3: really not that big. Okay, now this image. I caught
Speaker 3: wind of this image through you know, I have to
Speaker 3: credit here the partner I worked with on the film.
Speaker 3: His name is Michael Craig. He's in England. He was
Speaker 3: my subject matter expert and producer and he knew all
Speaker 3: about this stuff. So he told me a lot about
Speaker 3: what I presented in the film, what we both resented
Speaker 3: the film. So I took this image and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I want to know what an expert
Speaker 3: thinks about this image, but I'm not going to give
Speaker 3: him any context. So this image here on the left,
Speaker 3: and again I sourced this. It's cropped here for this presentation,
Speaker 3: but I sourced this directly back to NASA's website. I
Speaker 3: sent it to a paleontologist who specializes in marine biology
Speaker 3: marine fossilized biology. I sent it to a paleontologist at
Speaker 3: the University of Cincinnati, and to be kind, I won't
Speaker 3: mention his name, and I just asked him what he
Speaker 3: thought of it. And he said, oh, this is an
Speaker 3: interesting sample. This looks either like a ce lily or
Speaker 3: a crynoid. Where did you get this specimen? I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: and I told him I got it from NASA's website
Speaker 3: because it's an image from Mars. Never heard back from
Speaker 3: the guy, so that was all I needed as a
Speaker 3: filmmaker to say, you know what, there's legitimacy to the claim,
Speaker 3: but this thing is a crynoid on mark.
Speaker 8: But there's an interesting factor as well. The one on
Speaker 8: the left is more three dimensional. It's it's it's a
Speaker 8: more defined image than the one on the right, which
Speaker 8: is pressed, indicating there must have been less pressure or
Speaker 8: less gravity in making that. And there is less gravity
Speaker 8: on Mars, so you would have more definition to that
Speaker 8: photograph because it has more room in the in the
Speaker 8: process of becoming possiblist.
Speaker 3: It's certainly possible.
Speaker 5: If I could add to that, because you mentioned Brian,
Speaker 5: you mentioned in Graham Hancock earlier. If I'm remembering correctly,
Speaker 5: he has said that there's no doubt that Mars once
Speaker 5: had dense, impossibly earth like, an earth like atmosphere with life,
Speaker 5: with oceans, rivers and rivers that ran for a very
Speaker 5: long time, that it etched like deep channels into the
Speaker 5: surface of Mars. If that's true, I mean that is
Speaker 5: that what we're looking at all the evidence.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, it's certainly plausible. And that's the that's the
Speaker 3: that's the point is that if if the planet had
Speaker 3: ocean's lakes and rivers, thus most likely sea life, water life.
Speaker 3: You know, the question is would it look anything like
Speaker 3: Earth life? Right? Well, there's also the equally legitimate question
Speaker 3: why wouldn't it look like Earth life? Because I'm with
Speaker 3: you on that one.
Speaker 2: I think it was similar.
Speaker 3: Well, history shows that over millions of Earth and Mars
Speaker 3: have essentially I like this term swapped spit. Okay, rocks
Speaker 3: from one planet end up on the other. Okay, back
Speaker 3: and forth. This happens, all right, you guys, Remember, you know,
Speaker 3: sixty five million years ago, big Meteia comes down, hits
Speaker 3: the Earth, kills all the dinosaurs, and there's some dinosaur
Speaker 3: conspiracies and all that kind of stuff. But when I
Speaker 3: getting into that today, Okay, big rock hits the Earth,
Speaker 3: launches a bunch of material up into the atmosphere. A
Speaker 3: lot of that material is going to rain back down
Speaker 3: on the Earth. Some of it might orbit the Earth
Speaker 3: a little bit, but some of it's gonna get launched
Speaker 3: so far, so hard out into space that it's just
Speaker 3: going to keep going because it has enough escape velocity
Speaker 3: to escape the gravity of Earth, and yeah, some of
Speaker 3: it might end up on Mars, so we do know
Speaker 3: there's been this exchange material. Now what you're seeing here
Speaker 3: is the actual full image, all right, and you can
Speaker 3: see it right here. It doesn't really look this is
Speaker 3: a really boring photo. Now, if you were NASA, what
Speaker 3: would you do if you discovered a potential fossil in
Speaker 3: the side of a rock. You're not sure, but you
Speaker 3: think it might be something, so you might want to
Speaker 3: take a closer lot. Seems reasonable.
Speaker 10: Well, what did NASA do?
Speaker 4: Nothing? Probably they.
Speaker 3: Ground it down to nothing.
Speaker 10: Oh, come on, I.
Speaker 11: See now the conspiracy theorist is just bursting out of me.
Speaker 2: I can't with this. You know why they do stuff
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 11: Because they don't want people to know about shit. That's
Speaker 11: why they do stuff like that. I don't think NASA
Speaker 11: is the good guys, but.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe I'm in the minority here or whatever
Speaker 2: with that. But why would you do that?
Speaker 11: Why would you purposely ground it down so that we
Speaker 11: can't ever see it again.
Speaker 8: It's a government wide policy of not accepting that there's
Speaker 8: life and out of space. It's on every level. They
Speaker 8: always deny it and so NASA is just another government agency.
Speaker 8: They have to deny it.
Speaker 3: So Richard Hoover tells me the story because he was
Speaker 3: working at NASA at the time this was discovered. Again,
Speaker 3: he's the lead astrobiologist at NASA Marshall, and he called
Speaker 3: NASA headquarters and he asked, essentially one of the lead
Speaker 3: scientists at NASA headquarters, a guy named David McKay, why
Speaker 3: did you guys ground into this thing? They used a
Speaker 3: rock what's called a rock abrasion tool to grind into it.
Speaker 3: And Richard Hoover recounts this telephone conversation he had with
Speaker 3: the lead scientists at NASA headquarters who told him, well,
Speaker 3: we were grinding into it to see if it contained
Speaker 3: any carbon.
Speaker 2: Oh nah, sorry, sorry, don't. I'm not buying that brand
Speaker 2: of boloney today. That is the most ridiculous.
Speaker 11: I cannot even They take advantage of people trusting them
Speaker 11: because it's NASA. It's like, you can't question us.
Speaker 2: We're NASA.
Speaker 11: It's not like you could be smarter than us, because
Speaker 11: you're just a retard and you don't work for NASA.
Speaker 11: But they say stuff like that, and it's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 11: don't I don't buy that, like, why would you ground
Speaker 11: it down to nothing? They don't do that with the
Speaker 11: the archaeologists in Egypt when they're digging up all those
Speaker 11: fucking tombs and shit, Oh, we find a skeleton, let's
Speaker 11: grind it down to nothing so we can see if
Speaker 11: they're like, where's the logic in that?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't make sense, Julia's that's exactly the response. That's exactly
Speaker 3: the appropriate response. There's no logic to it. And as
Speaker 3: Professor Hoover recounts in his story his reaction to that
Speaker 3: lead scientist David McKay, he says, what because David McKay,
Speaker 3: who was part of the team responsible for analyzing that
Speaker 3: Alan Hills media rite when Bill Clinton talked about he
Speaker 3: was a geologist who of course knew paleontology, and imagine
Speaker 3: finding a dinosaur skull. This is what Professor Hoover talks about.
Speaker 3: He's like, imagine finding a dinosaur skull. It's fossilized, okay,
Speaker 3: so if you crack it open with your hammer, you're
Speaker 3: not going to find brains inside of it anymore. It's
Speaker 3: all been turned to rock. So he got a nonsense answer.
Speaker 3: One NASA astrobiologist to another is feeding him bullshit. So
Speaker 3: within three hours this was ground down to nothing. Now
Speaker 3: there's a little bit more to the story, and I'll
Speaker 3: tease that because we actually got some interestingly, grinding it
Speaker 3: down provided us some extra evidence that this thing is
Speaker 3: in fact a crinoid. That's the teaser. You can go
Speaker 3: check out the film to finish this story.
Speaker 2: It's quite their evil plan backfire.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know what, Look, we're talking about a bunch
Speaker 3: of cool stuff here on Mars, and I wanted to
Speaker 3: try to do my due diligence and give NASA chance
Speaker 3: to respond to everything that was in the film. I
Speaker 3: guess what. They didn't want to talk.
Speaker 2: To mel did not gonna talk to me.
Speaker 3: JPL did not want to talk to me. Okay, and
Speaker 3: three other institutions that I went to did not want
Speaker 3: to talk to me. So what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 3: Because I'll hear people from time to time saying, well,
Speaker 3: your documentary is not balanced, it doesn't include the other side. Well,
Speaker 3: guess what, the other side didn't want to talk to me, right.
Speaker 5: So they're either gonna respond or they're going to In
Speaker 5: the case of Spielberg, they send him a forty page
Speaker 5: letter on why he should not release Close Encounters of
Speaker 5: the Fifth Kind because they didn't want that information out
Speaker 5: or they're just not going to respond.
Speaker 3: So you know, I tried, guys, I tried. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to go over everything that's in the film because
Speaker 3: it wonders just a couple more kind of exciting things,
Speaker 3: just to just to advance this conversation. And by the way,
Speaker 3: that's not the only example of a fussle on Mars.
Speaker 3: We talk about more in the film. I've learned about
Speaker 3: even more since the film has come out, Julie, I
Speaker 3: guess to answer your question a little bit more extensively here,
Speaker 3: I don't go to bat for something unless I got
Speaker 3: the receipts. Now, I take it, just by the general
Speaker 3: vibe of the room here that it seems like these
Speaker 3: receipts are working for those who I call the uninitiated.
Speaker 3: You guys have never heard about this stuff, because I
Speaker 3: didn't hear about this stuff either, and when I did,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell man? And again, this is
Speaker 3: really just kind of the beginning of the story, because
Speaker 3: there is a story about Mars. I think Julie were
Speaker 3: alluding to that if there was like because we think, oh, well,
Speaker 3: Mars is this planet. Maybe there was life there in
Speaker 3: the past, maybe there were people there. Well, if there was,
Speaker 3: wouldn't there be remnants? Okay, and here we have biological
Speaker 3: arguably is evidence for biological remnants. Now what about non
Speaker 3: biological remnants? Like, what are we talking about there? Okay,
Speaker 3: there's no shortage of people online talking about interesting things
Speaker 3: they might have found in photographs.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and the.
Speaker 3: Huh we'll get to that in just a second. Before
Speaker 3: we get there, though, let me show you this image. Okay,
Speaker 3: let me just show you. Here's one of dozens examples
Speaker 3: of Rover photographs that, at first glance, don't really look
Speaker 3: too interesting, because what do you guys remember about Rover photographs? Boring?
Speaker 3: Just a bunch of rocks? Next right, move like, okay,
Speaker 3: what's the big deal?
Speaker 7: That's a foundation.
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna blow this up a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Can you guys just take a close look at this
Speaker 3: photograph and see if there's any particular object in here
Speaker 3: that just doesn't seem like the rest.
Speaker 11: Is this shit I just started I'm looking at or
Speaker 11: is this something microscopic?
Speaker 10: I'm looking at this?
Speaker 3: It is like you're looking at the side of a hill.
Speaker 4: It does stick out like this.
Speaker 3: Okay, this, this is a This is a Rover image, Julia.
Speaker 3: So you're basically looking at a hill that's you know,
Speaker 3: let's say, ten fifteen meters away or something.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the right corner is this somewhere? Lollo, Shit,
Speaker 2: I can't see anything.
Speaker 3: Okay, don't worry, don't worry, don't wor Okay, So some
Speaker 3: of you are seeing this thing. Okay, some of you
Speaker 3: are seeing this thing right here? Julia. Do you see
Speaker 3: that right here?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I see it now.
Speaker 3: I'll zoom in in just a second. But what how
Speaker 3: would you describe what you're seeing there? And why is
Speaker 3: your eye drawn to it? You know, tim Ethan anybody else?
Speaker 3: It's true, uniforms to be natural, right, it's too complex
Speaker 3: of a smooth shape, poultry? And how would you describe
Speaker 3: the overall landscape here?
Speaker 1: Irregular?
Speaker 3: Rugged?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Isn't it all right? So?
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 3: This one? Nope? Okay. There's a guy in Israel who
Speaker 3: does some image processing. He's an independent Mars researcher. He
Speaker 3: does nothing else in his spare time but sift through
Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of Mars rover images. His name is
Speaker 3: Rommy Barr Alone. You'll see it there in the right
Speaker 3: lower hand corner there and Robmy, if you're watching, God
Speaker 3: bless you, buddy, you do some amazing work. He found
Speaker 3: this thing. See, that's the thing. NASA took the picture.
Speaker 3: But NASA doesn't talk about the picture. They just publish it.
Speaker 3: They're legally obligated to publish, but they don't got to
Speaker 3: say shit, and they don't want to because that opens
Speaker 3: up a whole can of worms. How do you have
Speaker 3: something that appears to be well, now, what does this
Speaker 3: look like? I'm not even going to characterize it. What
Speaker 3: do you How would you guys describe this?
Speaker 1: Big is this?
Speaker 2: How big is this thing that I'm looking at right here?
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's an object that you can see from
Speaker 3: ten or fifteen meters away. So I don't have the
Speaker 3: exact measurements, but it's big enough to be spotted by
Speaker 3: the naked eye from let's say, you know, ten or
Speaker 3: fifteen meters away.
Speaker 7: Okay, it's traffic code from Earth.
Speaker 2: So that's how big it is. It's like the size
Speaker 2: of a traffic come.
Speaker 9: It might be now like it would be part of
Speaker 9: a mechanical of some sort of celebration arms machine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 2: It's like, Yeah, that's what I want to say. It
Speaker 2: looks like a pipe. That's how the motherfuckers get from
Speaker 2: the surface to Earth.
Speaker 11: They use the pipe systems. They got systems. You guys
Speaker 11: are laughing, and you know they have systems.
Speaker 2: That's how they be getting back and forth.
Speaker 7: Is actually it's a slushy. It's a slushy.
Speaker 11: They don't have slushies. They're very health conscious on Mars headless.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you how I'm interpreting this image not as
Speaker 3: a pipe, but as a column O buried, a column
Speaker 3: that's fallen over. That is just what it looks like
Speaker 3: to me. I don't know what the hell it is,
Speaker 3: but just what it looks like to me. It looks
Speaker 3: like a column fell over, because what do we see here?
Speaker 3: We see smooth on that surface, on this surface, and
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty impressive circular.
Speaker 7: I was going to see that is there a scale
Speaker 7: on this thing?
Speaker 3: So that I mean, I'm sorry, I don't have a
Speaker 3: scale with me. It's it's you know, Ronny might be better.
Speaker 3: You know, Robby's got a whole website dedicating to this stuff.
Speaker 3: This is one of his amazing finds. Okay, you know,
Speaker 3: but Robby's.
Speaker 7: Over there is a stone circle. If you look around
Speaker 7: at the outside, it looks like a stone circle.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean this is it looks like a
Speaker 3: perfect circle here on the end. Is that what you're saying? No?
Speaker 7: No, on the outside of it.
Speaker 8: If this thing is huge, like a megalith, on its side,
Speaker 8: there are a bunch of little rocks on the outside
Speaker 8: that would indicate like a stone circle that they haven't. Oh,
Speaker 8: I see, yeah, so that's like, you know, thirty meters
Speaker 8: across that it's fallen over.
Speaker 7: That could be you know, good indicator what that is.
Speaker 3: Yes, so this was taken by the Opportunity Rover. You know,
Speaker 3: certainly we've had other rovers there. But the question is
Speaker 3: why did we not go take a closer look? Why
Speaker 3: didn't we drive the robe closer to this thing? And
Speaker 3: the only answer I could possibly imagine, other than well
Speaker 3: we're just not interested. We're gonna pretend we didn't see
Speaker 3: that is a plausible explanation, might be, well, we don't
Speaker 3: want the rover to get stuck. But guess what, These
Speaker 3: rovers are designed to literally drive over rocks. Okay, and
Speaker 3: I show that in the film, you can see these
Speaker 3: things driving over rocks that are this big and there
Speaker 3: doesn't appear to be much standing in the way of
Speaker 3: a rover, and that interesting thing there, why I get
Speaker 3: a zoom lens on it at least? Right, we're just
Speaker 3: gonna let that one go. Okay, again, this is just
Speaker 3: one of dozens of rover images. Yeah, I could would
Speaker 3: spend all night on just rover images. That I'm not
Speaker 3: going to because you know, we got other interesting things
Speaker 3: to talk about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you do have a lot of the movie just
Speaker 6: for the people to hear. He has a lot of
Speaker 6: images of weird shit on Mars too.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of weird shit. Okay, so let's talk about Okay,
Speaker 3: one more rogure image, just one more, one more because now,
Speaker 3: as you guys might suspect these these rover images, some
Speaker 3: of them are taking it quite high resolution. Okay, but
Speaker 3: they show a giant landscape like what we just saw.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately, when you spot something that's odd and you
Speaker 3: zoom into it, what happens when you zoom into an image,
Speaker 3: sometimes it becomes and yeah, right, okay, So a lot
Speaker 3: of the time what these Mars independent researchers do is
Speaker 3: de noise and try to get rid of some of
Speaker 3: the pixelizations, but retaining the ultimate quality or the characterization
Speaker 3: of the objects. Okay, So they might adjust some of
Speaker 3: the contrasts and things like that, but they are not
Speaker 3: changing the fundamental shape of these things that they present. Okay,
Speaker 3: And I've seen them before and after again. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: go to bat for this if I didn't believe in
Speaker 3: their work. It's not really mischaracterizing it. So here's another
Speaker 3: interesting image. Again, this is blurry but kind of cleaned up.
Speaker 3: And you tell me what this looks like. One of
Speaker 3: the strongest pieces of photographic evidence. Photographs are evidence. When
Speaker 3: people say there's absolutely no evidence, roll allah l Well,
Speaker 3: here's a photograph in a photograph. You submit that in
Speaker 3: a court of law as evidence. Here you go, your honor.
Speaker 3: Here's a photograph of them guys stabbing that other guy.
Speaker 3: Here's you go. Here's there it is? Okay, what do
Speaker 3: you guys see? Here it's loading also, there go.
Speaker 4: I remember this one too. It was like, what the
Speaker 4: fuck is that? It's like the tiest fellow is of drugism. Shit.
Speaker 3: Now, I can't tell you exactly how big this is.
Speaker 3: This is just one of many things in a giant landscape.
Speaker 3: We had to zoom really far into it, just the
Speaker 3: contrast just a little bit. But if you look at
Speaker 3: the unaltered photograph, you will see this in there, and
Speaker 3: it's barely observable, just because there's so much else in there.
Speaker 3: But I've done it. I've sourced the image and I
Speaker 3: looked at it, and this is just a cleaned up
Speaker 3: version of what you find in there, regardless of what
Speaker 3: you might think it is. What shape does it have?
Speaker 5: So I've got a bar bell in the other room
Speaker 5: that looks like that.
Speaker 11: That is an ancient barbell from the Inner Earth people,
Speaker 11: you said, I'm sorry, Inner Mars people, Inner Mars people.
Speaker 13: But you know, depending on how big it is, it
Speaker 13: could be a structure too, or you know, a double
Speaker 13: domed structure with like a little hallway in between, or
Speaker 13: something that's.
Speaker 8: Clearly an engine from one of those John Carter airships
Speaker 8: that blew up in the.
Speaker 11: H I think it looks like it came off a
Speaker 11: horse and buggy or something in it definite looks like
Speaker 11: wheels an axle.
Speaker 1: To me, it looks like a kid's toy wheels.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 11: It don't look like it don't look like some random
Speaker 11: rocks and dirt and ship that they say this like
Speaker 11: that's all Mars has on it. Definitely reeks of there
Speaker 11: was something else going on here.
Speaker 1: Definite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is probably just maybe a foot large
Speaker 3: just given my estimation based on the image that the
Speaker 3: big image that I don't have it in front of
Speaker 3: me with the big image that I've seen of this.
Speaker 3: But again, you got I credit these guys that they're
Speaker 3: looking at an image with tons of shit in it
Speaker 3: and they're just taking their time meticulously scanning everything. Oh wait,
Speaker 3: that looks odd let's zoom up when there clean it up.
Speaker 3: Rommy again from Israel. Nobody knows this guy. But there
Speaker 3: is a thriving Mars. I shouldn't say thriving. There is
Speaker 3: an existing Mars community that does this kind of work,
Speaker 3: and they are owed a debt of gratitude for spending
Speaker 3: their spare time finding these things for the rest of
Speaker 3: us to enjoy. So my goal is to try to
Speaker 3: highlight their work and elevate it for the rest of
Speaker 3: us to see, so that this story of Mars starts
Speaker 3: to crystallize. So let's just move on to something a
Speaker 3: little bit bigger.
Speaker 11: Can I say something, Brian, Yes, you know, what I
Speaker 11: think of the Mars story is like I got it,
Speaker 11: like in one hundred years from now or whenever some
Speaker 11: type of huge cataclysm hits Earth and all the ritually
Speaker 11: assholes take off, they repopulate somewhere else, and whenever they
Speaker 11: get to that planet, you know, they just forget.
Speaker 2: About Earth and act like it never existed.
Speaker 11: And then eventually, like generations later, they're taking rovers and
Speaker 11: they're putting them on Earth and they're finding like taco
Speaker 11: bell sporks, and they're like, look at this, there was
Speaker 11: life on this planet. Like I'm serious, this is what
Speaker 11: we're finding on Mars and we're like, what is this?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 11: And like back then it was they probably had megalithic structures,
Speaker 11: they probably had school buses, they probably had life, they
Speaker 11: probably had a routine, families, all that animal husbandry, all
Speaker 11: of it. But it was wiped out, it was decimated,
Speaker 11: and now we're just finding the taco bell sporks. But
Speaker 11: I think that Earth very well, something like that could
Speaker 11: happen to us and thing gets decimated and they have
Speaker 11: to start over somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is a very real possibility.
Speaker 3: We're Julie were in there.
Speaker 5: Because these images aren't obstacle illusions or natural features. I
Speaker 5: don't think that's a I think that's a big telltale
Speaker 5: for me. And it's like, I don't know, Brian, if
Speaker 5: you ever heard of doctor Tom Flander, but he was, Yes,
Speaker 5: he's like a doctor of astronomy or was a doctor
Speaker 5: of astronomy for you, and he did a three year
Speaker 5: study on this stuff, including I think the face on Mars,
Speaker 5: and that's kind of what that study was showing was
Speaker 5: that it's not obstacle illusion and it's not natural feature.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, for tonight, the face on water is
Speaker 3: going to take too much time to cover. But yeah,
Speaker 3: there is something to it beyond it just looking like
Speaker 3: it might be a face. There's actually quantitative data numbers
Speaker 3: and shit measurements and stuff that indicate it was designed
Speaker 3: with symmetry and geometry in mind. We touch upon it
Speaker 3: in the film You Can Talk. I interviewed doctor Mark Carlotto,
Speaker 3: who talks a lot about that, another one of these
Speaker 3: guys back in the eighties analyzing this stuff. And I'm
Speaker 3: currently at work on producing a follow up for my
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, specifically on the face of Mars because I've
Speaker 3: learned even more about it since I finished the film,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, holy shit, how I need to do
Speaker 3: more on this. The world needs to know about this stuff.
Speaker 3: So I'm actually driving up to New Jersey to meet
Speaker 3: a guy, Matt Barone. He has a Curious Dimension podcast,
Speaker 3: great guy who just so happens to be a geometry teacher,
Speaker 3: and we're going to talk about the significance of the
Speaker 3: geometry of the Face on Mars in this video. So
Speaker 3: we're gonna save that for later.
Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, I mean I saw it from the Face
Speaker 5: on Mars. There's other pictures, and I think the ones
Speaker 5: that you've shown are they are great. And in fact,
Speaker 5: that last one you just showed, or the last two
Speaker 5: you just showed, I saw shadows. I saw shadows in
Speaker 5: the last one too, and I don't know that optical
Speaker 5: illusions have shadows.
Speaker 7: So I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 3: Yes, of course these are photographs, man, you can pull
Speaker 3: them from NASA. So let's move on to something a
Speaker 3: little bit bigger. Okay, Now, in nineteen seventy six, you
Speaker 3: guys know Carl Sagan. Oh yeah, you guys remember the
Speaker 3: original Cosmos series.
Speaker 4: Oh god, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty. Okay, you can find it on DBD. Still,
Speaker 3: there's an entire episode about Mars, and at the very
Speaker 3: end of that episode, Carl Sagan is talking about photographs
Speaker 3: taken from the orbiters that NASA sent to Mars. So
Speaker 3: satellite's taking pictures from space of the surface of Mars,
Speaker 3: photographing some interesting structures, and Carl Sagan himself, in his
Speaker 3: book Cosmos and the TV series Cosmos, uses the word pyramids.
Speaker 3: I'm going to show you some of these interesting structures.
Speaker 3: I cannot say with certainty that they are pyramids, but
Speaker 3: I'm wondering what natural geological form method forms these things.
Speaker 3: I don't have a solid answer on that. I'm going
Speaker 3: to show you just a couple of these things. You
Speaker 3: tell me, Okay, So, if anyone wants to criticize me
Speaker 3: or anybody else in the Mars community for using the
Speaker 3: word pyramids, well we got to go back and we
Speaker 3: got to listen to Carl Sagan. He's the one characterizing
Speaker 3: them as such. And we all love Carl Sagan. He's
Speaker 3: a well respected scientist. God bless me, he's not with us,
Speaker 3: But anyway, let me share it with you this So
Speaker 3: let's rewind the clock back to nineteen seventy six. NASA
Speaker 3: sends these landers down to the planet, takes these measurements
Speaker 3: and photos. By the way, it took a picture of
Speaker 3: snowfall on Mars. It snows on Mars. There's clouds on Mars.
Speaker 2: They have Christmas on Mars. I'm telling you, they're in
Speaker 2: the ground the.
Speaker 8: Mars like right, Well, the atmosphere of Mars is said
Speaker 8: to be so thin that it's not supposed to be
Speaker 8: able to produce clouds, that's what they always say.
Speaker 3: But well, NASA's got photographs of them. You know, they
Speaker 3: just don't talk about this stuff. And that's the surprising anyway,
Speaker 3: off one water. So they send these orbiters, also the
Speaker 3: Viking orbiters. They're taking pictures in nineteen seventy six, and yes,
Speaker 3: that's where we get the original face on Mars photograph. Okay,
Speaker 3: but they also started taking pictures of other parts hearts
Speaker 3: of the planet. And Nick, I'm gonna share it again.
Speaker 3: Here they took a picture.
Speaker 2: Here, look at this ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like very circular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the little thing beside it.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the big circle on top, what is that?
Speaker 7: What do I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an impact crater, and you can see all
Speaker 3: the ejected material right that's been scattered all around it,
Speaker 3: right right, This thing down here does not have any
Speaker 3: of that ejected material on top of it. I don't
Speaker 3: know what this looks like to you, but I'm in
Speaker 3: some kind of an indication here that this thing is
Speaker 3: not perfectly circular. You know how you look at a
Speaker 3: volcano from the top down. It's circular. It doesn't have
Speaker 3: what appeared to be sides, And logic would present that
Speaker 3: if this structure was there before the meteor came down
Speaker 3: and made that big hole, would it still be standing
Speaker 3: being so close to it. So they're, oh my.
Speaker 2: God, it's new.
Speaker 11: They came out of the tunnel system and they built it,
Speaker 11: and they went back and see, you guys got to
Speaker 11: let me tell you about mars.
Speaker 10: I knew it.
Speaker 4: That's the gym that's using the ball bell.
Speaker 1: Then, yes, it almost it almost looks like like they
Speaker 1: built a tower to mine whatever was in that circle,
Speaker 1: whether it was.
Speaker 2: Water, oh weh.
Speaker 1: You may do in the earth. They place gins or
Speaker 1: mills right alongside it. I don't think.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting. You know, it's not for me to speculate,
Speaker 3: but who knows, Lisa. You know, let's talk about the
Speaker 3: size of this for a second. That crater is two
Speaker 3: and a half miles wide.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so that means this structure has got
Speaker 2: to be huge.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 11: Brian's got this whole like very soothing, like Jeff Goldbloom
Speaker 11: thing going on with his voice, and it's he's very
Speaker 11: like articulate, and.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm learning a lot right now.
Speaker 11: But this is the kind of stuff that makes me
Speaker 11: go crazy, and he should present this stuff and not
Speaker 11: me because.
Speaker 2: It infuriates me.
Speaker 11: It's like to look at this and then say, oh,
Speaker 11: it's just like a sea urgent or whatever. They say
Speaker 11: it is some type of micro bacterial seand particle whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like, no way, dude, that's a pyramid. That is
Speaker 2: a pyramid. Somebody built that thing.
Speaker 5: Where are they that it looks a lot like burial mounts.
Speaker 5: And I've trust me, I've had my share of looking
Speaker 5: at Google Earth aerial images of burial mounts at Tennessee
Speaker 5: and Kentucky, and that's what that looks like.
Speaker 3: So, guys, believe it or not, we were lucky enough,
Speaker 3: us Myers people to have gifted to us just within
Speaker 3: the past six months and updated this an updated photo
Speaker 3: of this structure. They reimage this structure almost fifty years later.
Speaker 3: This is from ninth This is from the mid seventies.
Speaker 3: This photo here, high contrast, low resolution. But guess what
Speaker 3: they took another picture of it? I think within the
Speaker 3: past six months. Oh shit, see if we can zoom
Speaker 3: in a little bit here? Can you zoom in.
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have a wider landscape image of this.
Speaker 3: But there are no other large moundlike, mountain like, volcano
Speaker 3: like structures anywhere near this. For miles and miles, there's nothing.
Speaker 3: This is the only thing that sticks up out of
Speaker 3: the ground. Now again, it's it to me, to my
Speaker 3: eye and tell me if I'm seeing things. It kind
Speaker 3: of looks like there are sides. Look at this shadow.
Speaker 3: It is triangular. It is not circular. It doesn't Yes,
Speaker 3: it has an arc over here. But here there's a
Speaker 3: distinct line. You know, And whenever we see the Egyptian pyramids,
Speaker 3: we are seeing shadows with distinct lines. Now you might say, okay,
Speaker 3: after all of that evidence, you might still say, well,
Speaker 3: it doesn't look like a perfect pyramid.
Speaker 7: It's a pedagon.
Speaker 5: It got pucked up.
Speaker 2: With the water erosion when the catastrophe hit.
Speaker 4: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: And so keep this in mind. The surface of Mars
Speaker 3: is old. It doesn't have much of an atmosphere, but
Speaker 3: it has just enough of an atmosphere to blow around
Speaker 3: sand and dust. And so if any of you guys
Speaker 3: have ever seen an unexcavated pyramid, what does an unexcavated
Speaker 3: pyramid look like? It just looks like a hill with
Speaker 3: dirt on it, sometimes trees, sometimes you don't have no idea.
Speaker 3: There's a pyramid underneath.
Speaker 9: So there is a square on this too. This sticks
Speaker 9: at It just looks too. It looks like a like
Speaker 9: almost like talk about geomestry. It looks like almost a
Speaker 9: perfect square. And yeah, it's a cavern.
Speaker 2: Great catch ethan, that's a great catch at the.
Speaker 1: Top of the pramid and looking like when you look
Speaker 1: at remote sensing of vegetation, it looks like the top
Speaker 1: part is either weather worn like a wind type worn.
Speaker 1: But what's interesting is the pattern of the surface outside
Speaker 1: of the pyramid over to the right and left hand side.
Speaker 1: It almost looks like water erosion of sorts or vegetation
Speaker 1: that has grown in patterns and then frozen into the land,
Speaker 1: but it does have some sort of vegetative water esc pattern.
Speaker 3: To it on the side.
Speaker 11: Lisa, do you know you might you might be familiar
Speaker 11: with this, You know the pyramid in Mexico that's like buried.
Speaker 2: It looks like a hill. I think it's Chilula. It's
Speaker 2: in Chilula. Yeah, So.
Speaker 11: They didn't know that was a pyramid for like the
Speaker 11: longest I don't think they thought it was just a
Speaker 11: big ass, grassy ass hill. And then they started looking
Speaker 11: into it, right, Like, does that not remind you kind
Speaker 11: of like of what we're looking at right now? It's
Speaker 11: it's just like been buried, a little bit covered up,
Speaker 11: but you the remnants.
Speaker 5: It looks like there's a before and after that pyramid
Speaker 5: you were talking about, and that looks like the before
Speaker 5: picture before.
Speaker 1: They escavated it, right right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's definitely
Speaker 1: ribbing on the floor, like a four sided on this one.
Speaker 3: So let's just say, Okay, so what I'm showing you
Speaker 3: are samples, right, I could spend all day night showing
Speaker 3: you everything. Okay, I'm just showing you some of the
Speaker 3: best stuff. Now maybe this, let's just say this one
Speaker 3: doesn't work for you, Okay, let's take a look at.
Speaker 4: This next one.
Speaker 2: Come on, wow, look at this shit.
Speaker 3: If you were to pile up some dirt and some
Speaker 3: dust on top of Tao Tiacan, which is down in Mexico,
Speaker 3: would it not look something similar to what we see
Speaker 3: on the left.
Speaker 1: It's identical.
Speaker 3: Now, this particular imager was discovered by a gentleman in
Speaker 3: South Africa. His name is John Ward. He's an independent
Speaker 3: Mars researcher, and I'll show you just a quick sampling
Speaker 3: of his work next. But this is the most notable
Speaker 3: of his discoveries. Again, one of these guys just spending
Speaker 3: his spare time sifting through thousands of images looking for stuff,
Speaker 3: and here he comes and he finds. Look at that.
Speaker 3: Does that look like a volcano to you? To anybody?
Speaker 3: Look again, we have what appeared to besides, who wants
Speaker 3: to take a guess? How how big this thing is?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't tell me.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: But it looks just like the image you just showed with,
Speaker 5: because it's got the same four sides and the same placement.
Speaker 2: Mmmm.
Speaker 3: This thing is two and a half miles big.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. They were master builders. Whoever they were seeing.
Speaker 3: This structure that's these steps here on the front. You
Speaker 3: cover those with some dirt, don't you think you'd get
Speaker 3: just a lump just here on the side. So who
Speaker 3: can tell? Like, look, look, you guys, it's just like
Speaker 3: you guys aren't pushing for pyramids on Mars. But just
Speaker 3: to the naked eye here this looks like there could
Speaker 3: be something here because to the untrained eye, there's geometry,
Speaker 3: there's symmetry to this thing. It's got four equal sides.
Speaker 3: My only question, I'm not saying this is proof of
Speaker 3: pyramids and extraterrestrial civilization agent on Mars. I am saying
Speaker 3: that we need to go and just take a closer look,
Speaker 3: not just with geologists, but with archaeologists, palaeontologists, biologists. There's
Speaker 3: a whole team of different scientists from different disciplines that
Speaker 3: need to go and study this planet because arguably there's
Speaker 3: something more than what we've been told. Now, let me
Speaker 3: just I just want to highlight My job is to
Speaker 3: really highlight the work of these people doing this research.
Speaker 3: And John Ward has found he's got a whole channel
Speaker 3: with stuff he's found. I'm just going to show you
Speaker 3: a simple collage of what else he's found. This thing here.
Speaker 2: That is in Nokia.
Speaker 3: Let me give you some let me let me give
Speaker 3: you some scale. Here, I'll give you some scale. This
Speaker 3: thing up here is about let's say, fifty meters wide. Okay,
Speaker 3: kind of funky. I have a video interview with John
Speaker 3: Ward where he talks about each one of these things,
Speaker 3: and we find earth analogs, and there's something like this
Speaker 3: down in Mexico or Peru. I think I forget where,
Speaker 3: but there's something that just looks like that. But look
Speaker 3: at it. It's got arguably, it has symmetry to it.
Speaker 3: It's got equal sides rounded, yes, but eroded. Sure, It's
Speaker 3: just like, well, that's an odd thing in the middle
Speaker 3: of the rest of the landscape. There's nothing else like it.
Speaker 3: Shouldn't we take a closer look. This thing over here
Speaker 3: is about twenty or thirty meters.
Speaker 4: Long.
Speaker 3: It's in a landscape that has a lot of different craters.
Speaker 3: But this is really odd. What it looks almost sinuous?
Speaker 3: What what natural geological formation does this? It's a really
Speaker 3: weird Yeah it does.
Speaker 4: It looks weird.
Speaker 3: It does look really weird. Now, this thing down here
Speaker 3: is about the size of a boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it ain't an Okia.
Speaker 3: Never mind it's about the size of a boat.
Speaker 4: It is like something on the side of it.
Speaker 2: It looks like it right, like like a button, like
Speaker 2: a It's hard to tell because you can't tell like
Speaker 2: how big these things are. But like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: So don't we need to go take a close look
Speaker 3: at these things. For anyone to say that there's nothing
Speaker 3: to see here, I think they're just being dishonest. Don't
Speaker 3: our natural curiosities suggest to us that there's something odd
Speaker 3: about these things that we are seeing. I'll show you, Okay,
Speaker 3: Now one more collage by a different guy who's in
Speaker 3: Colorado is my buddy Gary. Gary is another one of
Speaker 3: these independent Mars researchers who has found dozens of what
Speaker 3: I'm about to show to you again. These are orbiter photographs,
Speaker 3: photographic structures that are huge, and the ones you're about
Speaker 3: to see are about three quarters of a mile to
Speaker 3: a mile big. Okay, And Gary has found the lots
Speaker 3: and lots of these things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember seeing that one of them all the
Speaker 4: way to the right is weird.
Speaker 7: Are a seal of tant the bottom.
Speaker 3: I just call them the triangles. He's got two dozens
Speaker 3: of these things. What we're seeing here looks like a
Speaker 3: tetrahedral shape to me. And this line here, what natural
Speaker 3: geological process makes a lot like that? That's three quarters
Speaker 3: of a mile long? And then we sort of see
Speaker 3: the same thing here a triangle with a mound, a
Speaker 3: pyramidal mound in the center, a triangle with a line,
Speaker 3: some sort of a triangle with the line, triangle with
Speaker 3: the line triangle. And here we have a triangle in
Speaker 3: the middle of an impact crater. What are the chances
Speaker 3: an impact creator is going to make a triangle right
Speaker 3: in the center of it? And what triangles have these?
Speaker 5: Really?
Speaker 3: They're literally underlined with bolted I don't know what natural
Speaker 3: process would make such a thing, and I can't find
Speaker 3: any geologists to give me a straight answer. You know.
Speaker 5: I just thought about something I heard one time that
Speaker 5: Cairo in Arabic mains Mars, and really yes, and that
Speaker 5: some people have suggested maybe that our Cairo here on
Speaker 5: Earth was named after the structures up there, and that
Speaker 5: maybe the ancients and the Sumerians who had the map
Speaker 5: of the Solar system and all that, maybe they knew
Speaker 5: about all this. And this is just once again another
Speaker 5: example of lost knowledge that we're playing ketchup with the Mayans.
Speaker 11: When they disappeared, they showed their asses up on Mars
Speaker 11: and started building stuff that I mean, it looks just
Speaker 11: like that stuff. I mean, all of our ancient structures
Speaker 11: look like this before they're excavated.
Speaker 3: So, guys, I want to go back to this image
Speaker 3: because some of you mentioned the remote viewing Stargate program,
Speaker 3: which is what I was referring to getting into the
Speaker 3: paranormal aspect of all of this. I, like many people,
Speaker 3: was skeptical of this idea of remote viewing because what
Speaker 3: are we really talking about here, Psychic powers. Okay, maybe
Speaker 3: some of this is not new to you, guys, but
Speaker 3: it was certainly new to me. But what I was
Speaker 3: most comfortable with in presenting the remote viewing side of
Speaker 3: this story because you had some of these these Stargate Okay,
Speaker 3: Stargate was a was a program, a psychic spying program
Speaker 3: developed in the seventies run by the US Army. So
Speaker 3: the US Army had a psychic spying program for twenty years. Okay,
Speaker 3: I know that sounds nuts, but that's what they had.
Speaker 3: That's a fact. Now, I'm not going to tell you
Speaker 3: nuts to me, you know, but to a lot of
Speaker 3: people psychic abilities sounds crazy. It's something that's like X men, right, So,
Speaker 3: but that's not what I'm focused on when we focus
Speaker 3: on is the fact that the NASA is that the
Speaker 3: US Army had a psychic spying program, and while they
Speaker 3: didn't really do too much with Mars, they did a
Speaker 3: few things with Mars. And for those of you who
Speaker 3: know Joe mcmonagall who was one of the first or
Speaker 3: the first remote viewers of that program who was tasked
Speaker 3: against Mars headless time where she talking about this before.
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, so Jill mcmonigall. He was only given the
Speaker 8: title of remote Viewer Number one. That was sort of
Speaker 8: like his his handle or his call sign. So he
Speaker 8: was he was deeply involved with Special Forces and had
Speaker 8: this propensity of not dying when he should have died,
Speaker 8: and he even had a near death encounter which left
Speaker 8: him completely changed. And then he started experiencing sort of
Speaker 8: like psychic abilities and psychic gifts, and so he was
Speaker 8: trained by some other remote viewers and he became one
Speaker 8: of their agents. And so he never wanted to do
Speaker 8: any remote viewing that would jeopardize his ability to verify it.
Speaker 8: So they tricked him into doing this remote viewing on
Speaker 8: Mars because the CIA wanted to see what was actually
Speaker 8: happening one million BC on this planet during the same
Speaker 8: time that all of these findings are coming out. So
Speaker 8: I think they were interested in what exactly the nature
Speaker 8: of this life that you're talking about that they found
Speaker 8: way back in the seventies was doing on Mars a
Speaker 8: million years ago.
Speaker 3: So there's this famous declassified CIA transcript of Joe mcmonogall's
Speaker 3: session where he remote viewed Mars and this is what
Speaker 3: he was looking at. Now, he didn't know that at
Speaker 3: the time. He remote viewed Mars and he was relaying
Speaker 3: to his monitor here's what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a
Speaker 3: destroyed landscape, but I'm seeing these giant things that look
Speaker 3: like pyramids. And I'm paraphrasing here. Joe mcmonagall did not.
Speaker 4: By this.
Speaker 3: He didn't believe this himself. He's like, this sounds nuts. What.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that I've remote view pyramids on Mars.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. So what did he do? He went to
Speaker 3: NASA back then and he asked NASA at the time
Speaker 3: for the negatives because we didn't have digital back then.
Speaker 3: He asked for the negatives of specific coordinates, and he
Speaker 3: was able to verify for himself that what he was
Speaker 3: viewing was real because we had taken photographs of it
Speaker 3: and this is the one that he was looking at.
Speaker 3: I was not able to interview him for the film,
Speaker 3: but I did interview somebody else from that same program,
Speaker 3: a gentleman by the name of Tom mcneer, who was
Speaker 3: part of INGOs Swan's remote viewing team. Ingo Swan is
Speaker 3: another one of these famous remote viewers. He's no longer
Speaker 3: with us, but Tom mcneer was on that He was
Speaker 3: a recruited into the program and Ingo Swan's team was
Speaker 3: also tasked against Greater Pyramid. This is what this features
Speaker 3: is known as Creater Pyramid. So the remote viewing team
Speaker 3: of the US Army was looking at Mars and they
Speaker 3: were looking at this particular feature. Now why were they
Speaker 3: interested in something like this? Why would the US Army
Speaker 3: be interested in Mars. Well, it's because NASA started taking
Speaker 3: lots of interesting look at photograph starting in nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 3: That caused a lot of eyebrows to fur all up
Speaker 3: because they're like this. You know, when I first read
Speaker 3: Graham Hancock's Mars book and he starts talking about pyramids
Speaker 3: on Mars. Boy, I tell you, I got such an
Speaker 3: unsettled feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, something kind of rings true. When you read
Speaker 5: that book, you're like, oh, yeah, there's something here. I
Speaker 5: want to ask you, is Joe mcmonagle. Is he the
Speaker 5: one who like reported going inside and seeing the giant
Speaker 5: entities that looked like humans but bigger.
Speaker 3: Yes, mole, okay and okay. Now, what's interesting is that
Speaker 3: within about a two week period, Ingo Swan's team was
Speaker 3: tasked against this same feature without knowing that Joe had
Speaker 3: just done it, and they observed the same things. And
Speaker 3: so I got Tom mcneer, who was part of the
Speaker 3: US Army this program, to essentially recount the story for me,
Speaker 3: telling me about what Joe experience that wasn't able to
Speaker 3: get Joe, and then what Tom experienced. So to have
Speaker 3: a team of five people all cite the same thing
Speaker 3: that Joe did without having known they even worked on
Speaker 3: it together, talking about these giant megalithic pyramids, structures, entities
Speaker 3: who are larger cavernous halls inside these things. You know, Gosh,
Speaker 3: I don't know where you go with that. I don't
Speaker 3: know how to how to process something like that. Now, Nick,
Speaker 3: there is more to this story, but I think we're
Speaker 3: gonna leave it there because I say something. It's yes.
Speaker 1: The one. So this is just a quick thought. I'm
Speaker 1: not to say that's what this is. But the triangle
Speaker 1: that you showed with the line, shoot, sorry, my cat
Speaker 1: is like back here doing good as one that it
Speaker 1: almost look like the unincorporated line to give the symbol
Speaker 1: of air. So you have a triangle with the it
Speaker 1: and it's the symbol for air. When you look at
Speaker 1: if it is a pyramid next to a circle, it
Speaker 1: reminds me of the concept of squaring the circle, which
Speaker 1: is the technical way to say achieving the philosopher's stone,
Speaker 1: achieving the impossible, that you place a triangle inside of
Speaker 1: a circle in order to square it. And it's kind
Speaker 1: of you know, you see emblems of this all over
Speaker 1: with or indifferent emblems of old occultists or philosophers and
Speaker 1: what happened. So if you were standing on the ground
Speaker 1: at a certain angle, you would see the equilateral pyramid
Speaker 1: inside of the circle. So it almost it almost gave
Speaker 1: me that feeling.
Speaker 4: So I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I was unfamiliar with this symbol of air.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it right now. That's interesting. I have
Speaker 3: to take a close look into that.
Speaker 1: And it's one of the four elements that to use
Speaker 1: to achieve the Philosopher's stone.
Speaker 3: Mmm. Let me just conclude this by saying, we still
Speaker 3: have this unanswered question about what happened to this blue planet.
Speaker 3: The question that I pose is what turns a blue
Speaker 3: planet red? That's the title of the film Blue Planet Red. Now,
Speaker 3: for those of you who are interested, the film is
Speaker 3: coming out on Amazon in August. It's just a short
Speaker 3: way away. I have a whole website that basically documents
Speaker 3: all this stuff and has all the published research links,
Speaker 3: so you can go take a look at it for yourself.
Speaker 3: I continue to work on YouTube. But this question of
Speaker 3: what happened to the planet? We do present the research
Speaker 3: that does provide an answer to this question. In fact,
Speaker 3: there are a few different pieces of research that provide
Speaker 3: an answer to this question. What NASA will tell you
Speaker 3: is that the solar wind has stripped away the atmosphere
Speaker 3: of Mars due to the weakened magnetic field of the planet.
Speaker 3: The problem is the solar wind alone is not enough
Speaker 3: to explain the nearly complete loss of the atmosphere. It's
Speaker 3: simply not stripping it away fast to account for the
Speaker 3: nearly complete loss of the atmosphere. There are other explanations
Speaker 3: for what happened to the atmosphere, all based on research
Speaker 3: by people much smarter than I, who have unfortunately been
Speaker 3: marginalized due to the claims that are being made. But
Speaker 3: these claims aren't just I think it's based on the
Speaker 3: data collected by who who collects the data. NASA collects
Speaker 3: the data. It's NASA's data. They do a great job
Speaker 3: collecting data, they don't do a great job talking about
Speaker 3: what they've discovered and what they've discovered, as published by
Speaker 3: other scientists in the film, who we did not talk
Speaker 3: about tonight, who have written about this in books. When
Speaker 3: I first read about this, it kept me up for
Speaker 3: three nights because one of the explanations, while being terrifying
Speaker 3: in its own right, is a natural explanation. The other
Speaker 3: is not.
Speaker 5: You're talking about Mars right, still talking about so maybe
Speaker 5: there was a natural cataclysm, or maybe there was a
Speaker 5: cosmic battle that messed up the whole side of Mars.
Speaker 5: They say it's like peppered with rocks on one side
Speaker 5: as if something next to it blew up. And if
Speaker 5: you look into Samariamiss, you look into TMOT there seems
Speaker 5: to have been a cosmic war where a planet was
Speaker 5: exploded or blown up.
Speaker 3: So for any people who have heard any stories like
Speaker 3: what Tim is talking about, well, guess what, there's data
Speaker 3: to back it up.
Speaker 7: I have right here.
Speaker 8: It says the radioactive isotopes on Mars from nuclear war.
Speaker 8: The presence of atmospheric radioactive isotopes on Mars such as
Speaker 8: twelve nine XE and eighty k R has been noted
Speaker 8: in scientific studies suggested the possible past nuclear events in
Speaker 8: the atmosphere of Mars.
Speaker 3: So for those of you who think that sounds interesting,
Speaker 3: well this movies for you, definitely for me. Then we
Speaker 3: go into detail about this, and I do my best
Speaker 3: to try to expect to present this and to not
Speaker 3: just present this material, but present the people who have
Speaker 3: spent their entire career studying this stuff and publishing it
Speaker 3: on it multiple times in peer review journals, thinking that
Speaker 3: it's going to make a difference. But unfortunately statistics and
Speaker 3: data they don't really make a difference. What does make
Speaker 3: a difference is stories, and that's where I feel like
Speaker 3: I have something to add to this whole thing. So, guys,
Speaker 3: I really do appreciate you listening to me for damn
Speaker 3: near two hours. Geez over two hours. Goodness, gracious.
Speaker 4: I know this is sort of.
Speaker 3: Outside of what you guys normally talk about, so I
Speaker 3: really appreciate you giving me the time to go through it.
Speaker 3: And there's if any of this appeals to you, there's
Speaker 3: more those of us who are working on Mars. You know,
Speaker 3: we do it because we feel like there is a
Speaker 3: story that the rest of humanity simply needs to be
Speaker 3: made aware of. And I think there is a connection
Speaker 3: between what happened on Mars and what we are observing
Speaker 3: with the UFO activity here on Earth. We can get
Speaker 3: into that later, but I think it has a role
Speaker 3: to play in the overall disclosure topic. And it's just
Speaker 3: simply about getting the attention that this research really deserves.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's thanks to you guys who have
Speaker 3: a curiosity about this stuff and willing to listen to
Speaker 3: guys like me who have sort of put the pieces together.
Speaker 3: But my work is based off of those who have
Speaker 3: been spending a lot more time on it and they
Speaker 3: need the older recognition that they can get. So thank
Speaker 3: you guys, Oh, thank you man.
Speaker 4: That was that was great.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to complain about the two hours. Uh,
Speaker 6: perfect guest man. We didn't you know, Uh, definitely some
Speaker 6: weird shit. I Uh again, like I had said, I
Speaker 6: didn't see the last about twenty five or thirty minutes.
Speaker 6: And you know, people probibly even know my whole idea
Speaker 6: as being in occult this. I sometimes don't even know
Speaker 6: what the question that's out in the skies I've said.
Speaker 6: I think it's the reflection of the back of my
Speaker 6: eyeball at the times. So like, I don't know what
Speaker 6: to consider that stuff. But the shit that you showed
Speaker 6: on your in this movie is just fucking weird, you know,
Speaker 6: even the fact, I mean I know nobody you know,
Speaker 6: obviously I don't trust an Asca either. I think this
Speaker 6: is just for me as a conspiracy theorist. This is
Speaker 6: just another piece of evidence showing you that they're contradicting
Speaker 6: themselves of you know, whatever you know?
Speaker 4: And why why is that?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 6: Very weird?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 6: And I really appreciate you coming on, Brian. I know,
Speaker 6: like you said, it wasn't particularly something that we cover,
Speaker 6: but it kind of does fit in a way.
Speaker 4: And I thought it was actually really well done, and
Speaker 4: thank you man, it was.
Speaker 6: It was a pleasure having you on and you really
Speaker 6: you had a lot to say and you covered a lot,
Speaker 6: and believe it or not, there's a lot in the
Speaker 6: movie that he didn't cover it. So definitely, if you're
Speaker 6: into this, man, go check it out again.
Speaker 4: I watched it. I thought it was good. Does anybody
Speaker 4: else want to add anything before we wrap this up?
Speaker 2: I love the presentation. Oh sorry, go ahead, Lisa, No, no,
Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead. I was just gonna say I
Speaker 2: love the presentation. I feel like I learned a lot.
Speaker 11: Like I said before, Brian has this great Jeff Goldbloom, soothing, relaxing,
Speaker 11: articulate thing going on. So I mean, I absolutely enjoyed it.
Speaker 11: I thought it was great and I'm looking forward to
Speaker 11: watching the movie too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Other thing I was going to say was that
Speaker 1: it's probably beyond the scope of the movie. And then
Speaker 1: obviously another discussion. Is there any legitimacy to the claim
Speaker 1: that there is an obelisk on photos?
Speaker 3: Yes, John Ward that South African independent mars researcher has
Speaker 3: done a very detailed analysis of that, and you can
Speaker 3: find some more information. I did interview him from a
Speaker 3: YouTube channel. We talk about that specifically, and a lot
Speaker 3: of what these independent Mars researchers do is again they
Speaker 3: sort of enhance the image to bring out some of
Speaker 3: the detail and make these things a little bit more
Speaker 3: clear for us to see. And he's got he's done
Speaker 3: some great work on that thing specifically. That quite interesting
Speaker 3: if you ask me.
Speaker 6: All right, well, I guess if nobody else has got
Speaker 6: anything else to say, we could wrap it up. I
Speaker 6: did add your links in there during the show, so
Speaker 6: if people want to go check out his YouTube interviews
Speaker 6: and all.
Speaker 4: The extra stuff that he says, it's on there his
Speaker 4: links in the bottom. Go check it out. Uh, thank
Speaker 4: you all of yous for coming on. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna have a leaves to play your show now. It's
Speaker 4: been long enough, but I appreciate all of you.
Speaker 6: Brian, do you want to let anybody know you want
Speaker 6: to promote the movie again or your website or anything
Speaker 6: else before we wrap this up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just just one stop shop you can
Speaker 3: find everything you need to know about the film about
Speaker 3: you know, my contact information at Blue Planetred dot net. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm also on Twitter at Brian Corey Dobbs just my
Speaker 3: name and on YouTube at Brian Corey Dobbs.
Speaker 6: Awesome, thank you very much and yeah, man again, that
Speaker 6: was a great, great presentation, very professionally done.
Speaker 4: What some stuff. And thank you everybody in the chat
Speaker 4: too that hung out. That's what's up.
Speaker 6: It was a long one and there's a lot of
Speaker 6: people there from the beginning, and I appreciate that. At
Speaker 6: one point I was just so focused. I really wasn't
Speaker 6: looking at the chat. I had this was going to
Speaker 6: do one with you. But thank you very much for
Speaker 6: everybody checking it out. That's where we go live and
Speaker 6: until the next one, everybody be well.