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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks again
so much for listening to another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.
I really appreciate you being here. I'll tell you what
these past two weeks have been something else. If you
talked about Murphy's Law, what's gone, What's taken place over
the past two weeks has been a perfect example of
what can go wrong. I don't even really know where
to start. Number one, I want to put word out
for anyone who's put who's submitted a Dogman report on
the website anytime in recent history. I'm not sure how
far back this problem went, but the gist of it
is the website wasn't sending me the reports that eyewitnesses
were submitting. So if you submitted a report anytime in
the past three weeks or so, there's a strong possibility
if you haven't heard from me, there's a strong possibility
I didn't get your report. Now, funny things have happened
on the website like that before. When it comes to
my reports such as I've had when I've gotten profound
encounters before. There have been cases where they just disappeared
from my email account. I didn't delete them, they just
up and vanished. I don't know if this is related
to that or not, but something had happened to the
website that made it so that those emails weren't hitting
my inbox. So that's why I'm just putting it out there.
If you put a if you submitted a report anytime
in the last three weeks or so, if you've submitted
a report period and haven't heard from me for whatever reason,
then I hate to ask you to do this, but
please submit another report and I'll get back with you
absolutely as soon as I can. Now we have that
out of the way, another bit of news I want
to put out there for you. About almost two weeks ago,
I was contacted by a producer from a production company
that's working on a new TV series on the History
Channel that's going to be for the History Channel that
focuses on cryptids. Well, they contacted me because they wanted
to know if I'd be interested in sending them eyewitnesses
for this new show. They're looking for encounters that are
more on the traumatic side, just so you know, But
if you've had any cryptid related experiences that you'd be
interested in flying out to Seattle, that's where they're based,
but they would pay you to fly out there and
cover all of your expenses and also compensate you. But
if you would be interested in flying out to Seattle
to share your cryptid related sighting on that TV series,
then if you can, I guess go to Dogmandecounters dot
Com would be the best way and submit a message,
send me a message, it's a general contact form that
you would need to send me. Then yeah, if I
think it'll be a good match for that show, If
I think those producers that contact to me would be
interested and having you come out to do that, then
I'll definitely put them into contact with you. All right,
now we have that out of the way, The last
order of business I want to put out there for
you is I had a guest lined up to do
the show last Friday, but he had some nasty stomach bug.
That's why I wasn't able to come on. It hit
him at the last moment, and because of that illness,
it seemed to me like he was going to be
ready to go the following Monday or Tuesday at the latest.
But unfortunately his Monday and Tuesday ran or rolled around.
He wasn't ready to go. So I'm not sure when
he's going to be ready to come on, But once
he is, we'll get him on here so he can
share his experiences. All right, now we have all that
taken care of, let's move on to tonight's guest, A
special guest who's been on the show three times prior.
Of course, I'm talking about Brian Terrell. He's a dog
man researcher from the state of Oklahoma. He has a
YouTube channel called Red Dirt Cryptids and if you think
back to episode five sixty eight, if his name sounds familiar,
it should because he was on episode five sixty eight
sharing case files that he investigated in Oklahoma. Well, the
reception for that show was so positive, I thought, you
know what, Since the guest I had originally lined up
to come on tonight he had an act unfortunately and
wasn't able to come on, I thought, you know it,
who better to reach out and ask if you'd be
interested in coming back on. Well, luckily he agreed with
such short notice, on top of that, he agreed to
come back on. So without any further ado, let's bring
him in here now. Brian, thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome. You know, we appreciate your time. Brian.
For the listeners who missed any of your prior episodes
for sixty four ninety two, in episode five sixty eight,
please tell them about yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I do cryptid field research primarily here in Oklahoma.
Sometimes we get out of the state a little bit
here and there. We like to travel, but of course,
you know, we don't. We have day jobs and we
only have to pay the bills and stuff like that.
So until we are corporately sponsored, which you know, we're
we're always looking forward to that. We kind of got to,
you know, to go to work. So but we're always
out there investigating, you know, locations that have a high
percentage of dog man encounters and bigfoot encounters. We also
do big foot of course, you know, probably sixty five
percent of my case files that I have are actually sasquatch.
We get a lot more of that than we do
dog Man. But dog Man is my favorite. I got
to admit I'm more fascinated by that than probably just
about any other Cryptid just because of the encounters that
I've had. We have a YouTube channel. It got started
as a as a way for us to just kind
of document our own evidence, and it kind of it
kind of grew, and we got a Facebook page. We
have a website that I need to update, but and
I'm looking at maybe this summer getting a new website
going with better links to the case files and stuff
like that. We do maintain a free public database of
CRYPTID case files for people so that they can go
and check out everything that's in there. I think I've
got like three hundred and I'm pushing three hundred and
ninety case files in there, and I'm probably I don't know,
I got to be at least twenty or thirty case
files behind. It's like there's a steady stream of case
files that are coming in, and it's hard to juggle
your day job and family life and everything and stay
on top of everything that's actually going on in two
or three states surrounding you, you know, and it's there's
there's a lot more going on, I think than one
people realize. We also do eyewitness interviews. One of my
favorite things is to go out and interview people at
the locations where they happened, or maybe just you know,
visit with them and and you know, get there, get
their interview. I really enjoy that. But you know the
main thing is is, you know, being there as a
voice of reason for people. I end up I'm like you.
I spent a lot of time talking to people on
the phone that have had frightening encounters. They're upset, they're scared,
they don't know what to make of it, you know,
and then it manifests itsself in a lot of ways.
You know, people have trouble sleeping, and they have nightmares,
and a lot of people are driven out of the
woods forever, and my heart goes out to them. I
was I was pretty fortunate that I was eased into
the whole dog man phenomenon. I wasn't like some of
these poor people that just get the rug pulled out
from underneath them one day. That would just that would
be pretty pretty rough. But you know, these people are
out there and they don't know who to talk to.
And I'm not a licensed therapist by any means, but
you know, sometimes it just helps to to talk to
somebody that knows that they're real and and you know
that somebody that knows you're not crazy. I mean, you
can't go to your pastor with this kind of stuff,
and you know, you can't go to a therapist. I mean,
you know, they're they're probably gonna call the guys in
the white suits to come and collect you. And of
course that's I think that's gotten a lot better over
the last few years. But but you know, I mean
people people have concerns about coming forward, and you know, rightfully,
so that should be concerned because this kind of stuff
could affect your job, and you know, and and and
a lot of and you know, a lot of your
family members won't even believe you. That's the one thing
that's always kind of got me is is how many
people's families actually you know, well, we'll pretty much just
turn on them and you know, you're you're full of crap,
you know, And I don't know. To me, it's like
your family should be the number one people that have
your back in that situation, not the other way around.
But it's a tough experience going through this kind of
stuff all the way around, coming and going. There's no
positive thing that really comes out of having a real
dog man encounter other than the fact that you know,
you're now aware of the truth. That's the only positive
thing about it is the truth is presented to you
and at least going forward to you, you now know.
But as you know, and as a lot of your
guests know and your listeners know, that there's a price
that gets paid for that knowing the truth, and most
of the time it's ridicule.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you're right, there really is a shame that's
got to be that way. I've spoken with so many
now witnesses who are literally the punchline that family get togethers.
It seems like there's not a family get together that
they've experienced after coming out with their experience where they're
not derided because they did reveal what happened to them. Yeah,
it's just horrible. Just imagine having a traumatic encounter with
the dog men and having that to look forward to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, these people are supposed to have
your back, and you know, the weird thing is, it
doesn't make sense if it would have been anything else,
those people would have your back. You know, if you
was in a bad car wreck and or if you
you know, just you know, if you were hurt or something,
they would be right there and they would, you know,
be your biggest supporters or you know, like divorce or
something like that, or if you lost a if you
lost a mom or a dad or something. You know,
these people would be right there. But when you bring
that to the table, all of a sudden, they're like, whoa,
you know, and you kind of end up getting shunned.
I think, so it's amazing, but it really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely is. People can be so helpful at
times in certain ways, but they can also be so cruel.
So yeah, it really is a shame. It definitely is. Brian,
having all the experience that you've got investigating dog mean,
you're the perfect person to ask this question. What kind
of advice would you give anyone who's got this crazy
burr under their saddle and they've nei their mind up
if they want to go out and start investigating these things?
Speaker 1: Well, investigating dog man is probably a lot tougher than sasquatch.
You know, we know a lot more about Bigfoot than
we do about dog Man. We know, you know where
to go look for them and stuff like that, And
I think that I've always said this, and people will
feel free to disagree with me, but I think that
dog man research is today it's kind of where bigfoot
research was thirty years ago. But it's slowly coming along.
I think it's a it's I think everybody would agree
that it's happening faster than the whole bigfoot thing did.
But you know, as far as like what to do,
where to go, I would say, the first thing you
got to do is you've got to start doing your
research and finding out where these things happen, what happened
to who, Start reaching out to people you can, you know,
calm Facebook and start listening to you know, podcasts and
watching YouTube videos about the subject, and you know, create
like a notebook or something, and even if it's just
hand written, and start writing all this stuff down and eventually,
you know, when you get enough data, at that point
you'll start getting an idea of where you could go
and what to do. Finding footprints is known to be
really difficult because I think a lot of them, unless
they are very large dog man, a lot of them
when they're walking quadrupedally, they just look like regular canine prints.
And at least you know because you you might be
able to tell the difference, because I know that, you know,
I can tell the difference between a domestic dog footprint
like a coyote footprint. But I don't think that anybody
is completely up to speed on how to accurately identify
a small juvenile dog man print from a domestic dog.
So it's kind of tough getting into it. There's not
a whole lot of experts in the field that you
can lean on that have you know, tons and tons
of information. You know, I've always said that, you know,
we do have a lack of you know, these these
people like you know, the Bigfoot phenomenon has Jeff Meldrum
and you know, the Four Horsemen, and you know, and
we've got some good people in the in the dog
man community, but you know, there's a I think that
they're not to that point yet, and I think that
there's a lot of gaps in the actual physical evidence
compared to Bigfoot. We've got a long way to go
before we amass that, you know, that kind of you know,
evidence for people to look at. There's a lot of
you know, starting out in this is is man. That's
that's a good thing. I mean, I kind of got
thrown into it, and but you're going to end up
doing if you do this kind of work, you're also
going to have to go where there's sasquatch too, and
that's probably one of your best bets is to go
where the sasquatch are because contrary to popular and belief,
I have not seen any evidence that dog man and
foot avoid each other. And they have their own distinct territories.
It seems like they intermix with each other, and a
lot of times they're in the same areas. I'll get
reports of dog men and bigfoot coming out of the
same areas. And although I don't get any too many
reports of them, you know, buddy buddy hanging out together
or anything like that, or you know, I've never gotten
one of those dog men bigfoot fight reports. I don't
know that I would. I'd struggle to believe that if
anybody ever brought that to me. I mean, it's just
there's such a lack of it just doesn't make a
whole lot of sense for them to do that kind
of stuff. Although you see that kind of stuff on
the internet floating around all the time. Everybody wants to
see that fight. But you know, I don't think in reality,
I don't think it's I don't think it's going to happen.
But that's just my opinion. I just go off of
the data that I have collected over the years, and
you know, you just kind of got to go with
with what does the data say that you've collected that
you consider to be credible. You can't just get on
you know, the on the podcasts and on YouTube and
just believe everything that comes through the PIP because there's
a lot of fiction floating around in there. I could
give some people some advice on how to filter out
the fiction versus some of the factual stuff that's actually
going around out there, but I don't know that I
would want to actually do that here. I mean, that's
kind of controversial, and you know, you never know. I
could be wrong about that too, but it's it's it's
tough separating the fiction from the truth, and the fiction
does tend to sell better than the truth.
Speaker 2: So well also too, if you reveal how you vet
stories to try and find out who's telling the truth
and who's not, that's self defeating. It just tells people
how to lie to you in a wave. It they
can sneak a story past you. So yeah, I don't
blame you for doing that or for not doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want to educate people in deception, and
I think there's a lot more of that in the
Sasquatch community than there is the dog Man community. We
were just talking earlier about how the dog Man community is.
It's a little bit smaller than the Sasquatch community, but
the people that are in it, you know, the people
that follow the dog Man stuff, they're they're a little
bit more plugged in there. They know a little bit more.
You know. The whole Bigfoot community has a whole batch
of people that are involved in that that they think
it's just a big joke and they think it's like
a comedy show or something, and they follow it just
because of that. I don't think that the dog Man
community has that aspect of followers. I think most of
the people, a higher percentage of people that follow you know,
this show and other shows like this, they follow it
because they've either had experiences themselves, or they've got a
family member or somebody close that they trust that's had
that kind of stuff and they know that these things
are real, and that's why they follow this kind of
stuff because there ain't nothing funny about seeing a dog
man so and you don't see a whole lot of
dog men memes funny memes floating around on the internet.
Thank god, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness for that. Well, I'll tell you what, Brian,
are you ready to start sharing some new keys files
with us?
Speaker 1: Well? I did. I printed off a couple. I'm kind
of old school here and I printed off a couple
so you may hear some paper shuffle and as I'm
talking that, Yeah, I've got a few prepared that we
can talk about. That that I that I don't think
we talked about last time. But like I said, I
am I cannot be held responsible if I repeat myself
a little bit. Yeah, so no problem. Well, so the
first one I want to talk about. It happened in
the summer of twenty nineteen, and for those of you
that don't know, it happened in Osh County. Osh County
is the biggest county in Oklahoma. It is at the
very far tip top. It borders Kansas and Kansas. Actually
you would be surprised they have a lot of dog
man activity up there too. But those h County borders
that it's really big, and it's southern border is a river.
And I found this one on posted in a Facebook post.
And actually what happens is is people that are following
some of these Facebook pages and stuff, people will go
on there and they will type in their story and
they'll leave their story. Well, I've got several people, very
very loyal people. They're practically, you know, teammates of mine
that when they stumble across this kind of stuff, they
will either tag me in it or they will forward
that article to me so that I can have it.
Which man, I really appreciate that. It's really beneficial for
me to have other people out there that are feeding
me information because I'm just one guy and the other
guys on my team, you know, they don't have as
much time I don't think to be on social media
as I do. A lot of them, you know, they
work more than I do, so I end up spending
more time on social media than they do. But I
appreciate these people that forward me stuff and tagged me
and stuff anything that's Bigfoot or dog Man related. Man,
I really appreciate that. But this one was forwarded me.
I was tagged in this one. But this guy went
on on Facebook and he posted that in the summer
of twenty nineteen, he was driving on the north side
of Keystone Lewe and he noticed that there was two
groups of deer that were standing by the side of
the road, and they were staring in a particular direction.
And of course, you know, when you're a hunter and
you see a bunch of deer and they're all looking
in one direction, you naturally assume that you know there's
a predator or something like that, because you know, to
be honest with you, they should be looking at you.
But if they're not looking at you, there's something else
that's scarier than you. And he noticed that they were
looking intently on something on the left hand side of
the road. He said, at first he didn't see anything
where it was at, and then he looked back towards
the deer, and then he'd looked back and forth, and
then he saw something. He noticed something slightly strange right there.
He said. It was about twenty five yards behind him,
which is actually really really close. He said, at first
he thought it was a dead cedar tree, but when
he got a little bit closer, he realized that it
was a six foot tall, sitting down wolf. And the
reason why he thought it was a cedar tree is
because it wasn't black. It was actually like the color
of a dead and dying cedar tree. It was kind
of a light brown color, which you know, which is
kind of different A lot of our encounters are black
fur creatures, you know. But anyway, as he drove by it,
and it was just staring at him, and he saw
the eyes and it was sitting there, just sitting once
haunches like it was hoping that it did not see him,
and so he first, you know, he couldn't really believe
his eyes. And I think what happened to him is
the same thing happens to a lot of people when
they see it, know that they keep going and they're
sitting there and they got the thing running in their
brain and they're like, did I just see what I
thought I saw? You know, what else could that have been?
When that surely that couldn't have been a wolf that big,
you know, But he ended up driving a quarter of
a mile down the road where he could turn around.
This guy was apparently crazy enough that he was going
to turn around and go back and look at this.
But when he turned around, got back down there they
were gone or it was gone, and I thought that
that was I thought that that was pretty neat story.
But that is just on the north side of Keystone Lake,
which if anybody doesn't know where a Keystone is, it
would be I would say west and a little bit
north of Tulsa. So I thought that was interesting fairly
recent that was that was right before COVID broke out,
So it's kind of amazing, and how we keep track
of time nowadays, by I was it before or after COVID,
So but I think that one was kind of interesting.
I thought I saw another video about that same encounter
that was done by another guy, but this guy posted
about it on Facebook. So let's see here case file
number two sixty seven. Now, this one is actually a
Linda Godfrey report and it's from nineteen ninety three. And
you know, Linda Godfrey was a long way from Oklahoma,
and now I know that she did reports from all
over the country about this kind of stuff. But I
was always amazed at the fact that there was a
lot of reports that she documented in her book that
came out of Oklahoma, and this is one of them.
But in nineteen ninety three, there was two men who
had gone out into the country outside of Okaki, Oklahoma,
which if you know the map of Oklahoma, that's pretty
much right in the middle of Oklahoma. And they were
sitting out in the country in a pickup truck with
the rendos down park and they were talking. Now, as
weird as that may sound today, back in nineteen ninety three,
that was a pretty common thing for people to do.
Used to drive out in the country sit out there.
A lot of times there was a you know, an
alcoholic beverage kept in a cooler, and you know, guys
would sit out there. And you know, I can remember
as a young man, I, you know, we used to
go grab a you know, twelve pack or something, go
out into the country and drink some beer before the
before we went to the club, you know, And I
always kind of thought that maybe this is what those
guys were doing. But they were parked outside five miles
east of Okarche, and basically they were just sitting there,
just talking with the windows rolled down, and the guy
in the passenger seat turned around and looked and right
out he heard something shuffling, and all of a sudden,
this thing was just practically right there outside of his window,
this giant canine dog. And he estimated that it was
at least seven foot tall, but it was bending over
to stare into the window. And of course, you know,
to me, I can't imagine, you know, being in this situation,
but it was just looking at him like it was curious,
you know, And and he could see a little bit
of like glowing coming from its eyes. And and of
course you know that that kicked in there, the flight,
you know, syndrome, where they got they had to get
the hell out of there. But you know, this thing
was within just a matter of feet of this guy.
And I've always found that, you know, this amazing how
certain encounters like this, These dog men could have had
these people if they wanted them. And this thing could
have killed both of those men in that car or
that truck, but they lived to tell the story. And
I think it's kind of hard to consider them to
be vicious and evil when we have so many eyewitnesses
that survive to tell the story. You know, I don't
know what your opinion of it is, but I don't
necessarily think that they are evil. I think they're just
natural creatures. But this thing, it came up. It was curious,
you know, what are these guys doing? You know? But
there's a whole write up about this in Linda Godfrey's book,
and I don't I can't remember which one it is.
Like I said, I these case files aren't mine. I
go around and I steal good case files and I
try to put them into one place so that, you know,
people can get access to this kind of information, because
that's one of the biggest things that I think that's
causing problems for people now is there's no one place
that you can go look. I'm not saying that I
am the place to go look, but I think that
if more people did what I'm doing, or they just
they take case files from different people, they put them
in one place, and they give those people that did
the work the credit for fighting this case file and
digging it up, which that's what I do. I think
that I think that that's the way it should be done.
I mean, it's like you, vic, I mean a lot
of the case files that I have, they came from
eyewitnesses from your show, you know, And I always put
in there that you know that you're the investigator you
know on these ones, and give people that did the
work the credit for it. But I think that we
need to do more of this to where people can
have more access, because otherwise we've got to look everywhere,
you know, to be able to find this stuff. So
it's and man, it's I don't know, trying to dig
up information, especially when you're first getting started. It's really
tough to do.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's like you almost don't know where to start.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, it's hard enough to find figure out
what to even google when you saw a werewolf, you know,
and it took me a while to figure out what
dog man was, you know, it's like, what is that? Now?
This is another one that I think came from Oh no,
this one came from another website I listed. It's from
a fair normal website. But this one's a very weird one,
and it displays a certain amount of odd behavior. In
nineteen sixty one, there was a young man and this
is case file one sixty five. It's called young man
sees dog man kill a crow through his bedroom window
and it happened in nineteen sixty one, and it was
a class a nighttime sighting. And this one's so weird.
I don't even have to actually raise up on it.
So this young man was in bed and he lived.
He lived in a two story house, and he was
in the second story window, and he got up melanite
because he had to go pee, and something just told
him to look out the window. And so he got
up and looked out the window. The window was open
because a lot of people didn't have air conditioning back
in the sixties, and so they would prop the windows
open and stay cool that way. Well, he looked out
and he saw this thing moving around at the edge
of their yard. Now, this boy had caught somehow caught
a crow. He didn't really give specifics about how he
had caught this crow. But they had taken this crow
and put it in a cage, and they apparently the
parents didn't want it in the house or whatever. You know,
his crows are obnoxious if you ever been around him,
and so they made him put it in his cage
and hang it up. Well, he had this thing hang
this cage hanging up on a pole outside and right
there at the edge of the yard. And so and
I guess he'd been feeding it or whatever. But anyway,
this dog man come through and this crow was there,
and for some strange reason the dog man. I don't
know if the dog man thought it was going to
start alerting his presence or what. But the dog man
goes over to the cage and reaches in the cage,
opens it and grabs the crow and stabbed it with
something that it had in its hand, shanked it or something,
and then left the crow in the case age and
went on moving through the property and the kid lost
sight of it. Really unusual story, and I've never heard
of of a dog man using an implement like that,
but I thought it was really strange. If you go
to my case files, there's a link at the end
of it, it's called the Crow Killer, and there's a
link that you can click on and you can go
there and read the original. You don't have to believe me,
you can read the original. But that was Syreal, Oklahoma,
which is kind of north of Lawton, if you know
where Lawton is, And I guess he tried to explain
this to his parents' parents didn't really believe him the
crow was dead. Dad basically just kind of threw the
body into a nearby field and kind of blew the
whole thing off. And I thought that was highly unusual that,
you know, his dad would find a dead crow in
there and just kind of blow it off like a snow.
Big deal. But you know, a lot of times back
in the day, especially in the sixties, you know, people
didn't have time to you know, investigate stuff. A lot
of times, especially on a farm, there's a there's so
much work to be done. You know that, you, I mean,
you just you basically, you know, you didn't have time
for any of this frivolous stuff like we do today.
But who knows what was going through the parents' mind.
But anyway, I encourage you guys to check out check
that out. Don't believe me? Looking at yourself? Pretty pretty cool.
Have you ever heard vick of I consider you to
be kind of an expert on their behavior. Have you
ever heard of them using tools or something like that?
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for the good words, but as you know,
no one's an expert when it comes to these things.
But I've heard them doing things that could be described
as them using tools, but in what capacity It's kind
of hard to put a finger on. There are more
cases where it would appear that they might have used
something as a tool, but no one actually saw them
doing it. So I can't tell you definitively that they
do that, but I mean there's evidence out there that
points towards it being a strong possibility.
Speaker 1: Well, if they have hands that look similar to a
raccoon's hands, it would make sense that they would be
able to use them in a manner similar to what
we do. Raccoon's hands are pretty well versatile. I mean,
they can grab things, pick things up care him. I mean,
I don't know, but that was the only one that
I've ever heard of, and I don't I'd have to
go back and look it up, but I think that
he just couldn't quite see what it was, but it
looked like he was held something in his hand and
stabbed it with it. So, but just another very weird story.
But he said that, you know, he could see it
plain as day and the you know, the yard light
and upright walking canine. It's really really strange. And that's
not far from you know, the Lawton werewolf situation that
we talked about. I think on the last one where
that the werewolf was tormenting the the town of Lawton.
I think that was in the early seventies, so this
would have been like ten years prior to that, but
that case was kind of famous. Let's see here, Ah,
the next one up is actually originally was one of yours.
You had a guest on your show a couple of
years ago, and I found this to be fascinating. This
happened in White Eagle, Oklahoma, which is south of Ponca City,
and the guy was reporting that I've actually got it
written down right here. It was in episode forty three,
but he was talking about how there was a giant
upright wolf that was being pursued by the tribal police
in that town. And I've been through that town several times.
It's a very very very small Native American community. Not
a whole lot of outside traffic goes through there. I
never even knew where it was for years. I just
drove past it on the highway until I had to
go run a service call there years ago. But yeah,
I guess it was kind of leading them on a
wild goose chase they were pursuing it. It ran down
towards the stomp grounds. They chased it down there. For
those of you that know the area, you know that
the river kind of curves back up in there, and
you got the highway on one side and the river
on the other, and it kind of nexts down. At
that point, I guess the creature decided that it was
going to jump in the river, swam to the other
side of the river, and I guess it got to
these of the river, it stood up on its hind legs,
turned around and looked at them, And I was standing
up right at that point, and I guess the tribal
cops opened fired on it, but it ran off, and
they didn't have any indication that they had actually wounded
it in any way, shape or form. But I always
found that story to be really fascinating because, you know,
according to this this guy, his name is Matt, there
would have been a lot of eyewitnesses to this. I
don't think he gave a date for this, but you know,
there should have been what four or five witnesses for
this at least, you know, let alone it was running
through town, you know, through through the community there. I mean,
how many people saw that. Of course, it's a Native
American community, so they don't. They don't. They're not as
open about some of these things as as a lot
of people would think they would be. You know, they're
reluct they're just like us. They're reluctant to share this
kind of stuff because of ridicule. But I'm sure there's
a lot of people in White Eagle still remember that.
I'd love to talk to them and visit and maybe
find out a little bit more information about that encounter.
One thing I don't have on that one is a date,
and I'd love to at least know what year that happened.
But that was really cool that one came from you.
I was tickled to death to find that one. It
is an old one. Do you remember that one?
Speaker 2: I don't, but I deal with so many that it
is just no way to keep them all straight.
Speaker 1: Oh, trust me, I know how you feel. I feel bad,
you know, because I have people reach out to me
for the second time, and I feel bad because I
don't necessarily remember them off the top of my head,
and like I save them in my phone number and
their name either starts with a BF for Bigfoot or
a DM for dog Man, and usually what I usually
ended up with their name and what town they live in,
because man, it is really hard to keep track of people.
A lot of people, you know, they communicate with me
on a regular basis, and they feed me information, and
you know, to me, I feel bad because I'm naturally
bad with names in the first place. But when you
start telling me the story, then I will remember you.
So that's that's just me. I don't know how you are,
so no.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way you talk about feeling low
about an inch long. You have someone contact you who
you've spoken with before at length, with a very traumatic encounter,
and they tell you that they need more help, but
you don't remember a thing about your conversation with them.
I mean, it's just it's embarrassing, makes you feel really bad.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just you just got to break us a
all right. You're going to have to bring me up
to speed. Tell me a little bit about your stories.
I can remember you because I talked to a lot
of people, and so far nobody has been terribly offended.
But I've been pretty fortunate. So just be patient with us.
You know, we we we have day jobs and you know,
a lot of stuff going on. You know. Let's see,
I may have talked about this one before. I don't remember,
but it's not necessarily an encounter story. But it's a
case file number one seventy seven. It's a I consider
it a historical mystery. It's the Catherine Cross gravestone in Conawa, Oklahoma.
That gravestone is actually currently missing. Someone has stolen it.
But the gravestone dates back to nineteen seventeen, and that
is a very very very long time ago. But her
gravestone specifically, you know, has her date and the date
that she lived and died and as her full name.
Her name is Katherine Cross, and I believe she was
nineteen at the time of her passing. But she has
one of the most remarkable epithaths that I've ever heard.
Her epithaph actually reads killed or no, murdered by human wolves.
Doesn't say killed, it says murdered by human wolves. And
of course, you know, people have found out about it.
There's pictures of it going around on the Internet. There's
been a lot of people that have done little YouTube
videos about Catherine Cross's life and what could have happened.
And there's a lot of people that you know, they
connect the dot it's in a way that kind of
makes them feel better, but they don't really have a
whole lot of evidence. A lot of people say that
she was impregnated by a local doctor or whatever. Some
young man or it was a butchered abortion gone wrong
or whatever. But you know, the thing, the thing that
gets me is is when you carve something in stone,
you know, you put some time thinking about what you're
going to put on your daughter's gravestone, you know. And
I think that they put exactly what they wanted to
put on that gravestone. I don't think it needs to
be interpreted. I don't think that, you know, we need
to stretch it. I think that when her father told
that man that I want murdered by human war on
her tombstone, I think that's exactly what happened. And I
don't understand why people need to create an elaborate story
around it. I mean, I think that this might be
actually what happened. I also think it's a I don't
think it's a coincidence that the gravestone has been missing
since twenty sixteen. I think somebody stole it in an
effort to kind of make that go away. I just
don't I don't know about that whole deal. And there's
YouTube videos if you're interested, that go into different aspects.
I think at one point in time I did a
YouTube video about it where I was kind of rebutting
some of the YouTube videos that were out there. And
you know, but as far as I can tell, and
I've done the research, and I've looked up some of
the old newspaper clippings and stuff like that, and you know,
I actually had my mom do some genealogical background. My mother,
before she passed away, was very very well versed in
researching genealogical databases and stuff and finding out information about people.
And you know, I even had her on the case
for a while trying to dig up stuff and what
happened to the family. The family ended up moving moving
away to a completely different state not long after that.
But you can go and you know, online see pictures
of the actual gravestone. I've been told that there are
other gravestones in Oklahoma from that era that and not
in not in the Conawa, but in other areas is
that have something similar to that written on them. And
if anybody knows anything about that, I would really appreciate
it if you reach out to me, because I would
love to go out and photograph those and maybe do
a little bit of research on those people as well.
But at one point in time, I was under the
impression that there might be two other gravestones that have
something similar written as an epitaph, but have not found
those yet. Maybe with somebody ELL's help, i'd be great.
So we move along, Move along. Here's one that we
am pretty confident that we have not talked about this.
This is one of my older case files. It's a
case file number nine and it's called couple seas a
Large Dog near Ceiling and Ceiling, Oklahoma is in western Oklahoma,
and the people that I took this case fill from
they wanted to be anonymous, of course that they are.
They are, I guess you could say that they are
prominent business people in the area, and they are extremely
substantial landowners from that area, and they're but they're also
involved deeply with the local Native American tribe that is
based out of Ceiling, and they were invited to come
out to one of their ceremonial dances. And they get
invited to this kind of stuff all the time. You know,
they've they've had a relationship with these people for a while.
And so they were out there at this dance and
they were staying. They had rented a cabin right on
the edge of town out there in Ceiling, and they
got done at the dance and everything, and they came
back to the cabin and they were just going to
relax for a little bit before they went to bed.
And the night was nice, and they had a nice
The cabin had a nice front porch, and they went
out and they were sitting and while they were sitting
there just kind of quietly talking, you know, and this
is real late at night, down the street came this
extremely large black wolf looking dog and they both immediately
recognized that it was abnormally large because it was walking
on all fours. And now both of these people, both
them husband and the wife, they have experience, let's just say,
extensive experience in livestock. And they estimated that this creature
had to go in excess of two hundred and fifty pounds.
And when somebody deals with livestock for a living, I
considered them to be probably the most the best witness
that you can get because they're used to looking at
animals and judging their weight, and you see what I'm saying,
and you know, they deal with this kind of stuff professionally. Well,
they said that it had to weigh well over two
hundred and fifty pounds, well, that is an extremely large canine.
They said that the thing was coming from the area
where the dance grounds had been, although it was a
little ways away, and they've that it just kind of
came out. It stood underneath a light, and it was
like it was showing itself to them, and they just
sat there and they looked at it and they were
watching it, and after it was done, it just turned
around and it walked out into the darkness and disappeared.
I personally think that this was one of the most
credible eyewitness sightings that I've ever heard of. It actually
happened in twenty twenty, actually was August of twenty twenty,
And to me, when I have people like that who
have everything to lose, they want to remain anonymous, and
they're experts in the livestock, Honestly, I don't see how
you could get a better witness than that. So that
particular case file is one of my favorites. But yet
it's kind of weird because it's like it just came
to show itself to them and then it left. I
can't explain that. It's kind of weird. But I don't
know what you think, Viig, but it seems like a
lot of these reports, it's like the creature shows up
and it's just presenting itself to people. It's almost like
it's like, here, I am, you know, look at me.
What do you think? You know? Or I don't know,
do you ever get that impression? Oh?
Speaker 2: Sure? Well, these things are so intelligent they know that
just by presenting themselves like that, announcing their presence, they
know that's going to have the desired effect. If you
know that something like that's out there, it's going to
have long lasting effects on the eyewitness. Though it doesn't
surprise me if they do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people say they think they feed
off of fear and stuff like that, and I kind
of see where people could draw that conclusion. Although that's
more of a feeling, I think, and we can't really
you know, you can't put all your eggs in a
basket because of feelings, but you know, and then there's
the whole smiling phenomenon. I'm still trying to wrap my
head around that. I don't know. That's that's strange, very
very strange. The next case file I have is in
my books. It's a case file number one fifty five.
This is actually a Cryptid Brothers report or actually I
think he's going by Monster nine to one one. Now,
he did, he does some pretty good work. As a
matter of fact, he recently reinterviewed this eyewitnessed Wiley Dave,
and they actually went out to the location, uh, where
it actually happened this time, and they took some video
and stuff of where it all went down. And to me,
that's just absolutely amazing, and that was really good work
on on you know, the Monster nine to one one
Lance's part. He did a really good job of investigating
that following it up. That is probably, in my opinion,
one of the craziest dog Man encounters that's ever come
out of Oklahoma was the Wiley Dave situation. And you
know he's also you know, kind of a trained observer.
You know, he's having him being there seeing that, judging distance,
judging size, using his scope to figure up, you know,
how how physically large this thing was. You know, it's
it's so much better to have eyewitnesses that can can
actually give you that kind of data based on that.
It's really really cool. Now, this guy, he's got a
really long story, but he basically ended up calling it
in with some type of Mouth call, and I think
everybody that probably follows you and follows that show. But
that happened in twenty thirteen. It happened in northwest Oklahoma,
kind of up close to where the Panhandle attaches to Oklahoma.
Not a whole lot of cover up there, you know,
it's just big open prairies, you know, and you know
the area where that happened, there's a river there, but
the rivers dry most of the time, and so it's
just you know, it's like, well, where was the water source?
You know? And I happened to think that maybe that
thing might have been, you know, going from point A
to point B, trying to relocate, find some better habitat
or something. Hard to say what was going on, but
Wiley Dave's description of that creature was horrifying. I mean
just absolutely horrifying. You want to talk about traumatic experience.
You know, here this guy is, and you know he's
out there and all these guts of five five six
AR which everybody thinks that in AR fifteen is this
real super powerful gun, but it's it's really not. It's
just a little bit fifty five grain bullets. You know,
my three eighty auto block that I carry in my pocket.
It's it hits you. It's a bigger bullet than that.
So he was definitely under gunned for that situation. And
he's another survivor. I mean, he probably could have put
a thirty round clip in it, but you know, it
probably wouldn't have ended very well for him if that
creature would have chosen to come get him. But again
it didn't, and he lived to tell the story, and
he ended up getting out of there. But that was
He also found a print whatever I think, when he
was on his way into the location, which I thought
that was kind of interesting. He described it as being
a very large canine print, and he basically said that
he thought that somebody might have been messing with him
or something like that. But kind of a really cool
story in my opinion, probably one of the most scary,
incredible stories that have ever come out of Oklahoma. And
you know what an eyewitness, I mean, you know, this
guy is a professional hunter and you couldn't ask for better. Again,
So anyway, I do have a couple more, but I
don't know how much time we've got left.
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't mind sharing them, then we've got
the time.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's uh, let's go ahead and take a
look at this. My next one, I've got two more.
This one here, let me see where the resinly came from.
Oh ah, Now I do not have permission to give
this lady's name, but she is on social media a lot.
She shares a little bit here and there. But this
lady lives down in I guess we would say southeastern Oklahoma,
and I'm in regular contact with her. She's she's a
very handy lady to have on your side. She's one
of those people that she follows the dog man phenomenon
very and she feeds me information all the time. And
she has apparently some dog men on her property periodically
from time to time. And her and her I think
it was her, It was either her cousin or her sister,
were walking up and down the road, and I think
at this point her sister thought she was crazy and
didn't really believe her. And they were walking down the
road that they live on, and it was dark, and
they just happened to see this large upright canine sitting
on the other side of the bar ditch as they
walked by, and I guess it scared both of them
pretty bad, and I would have to go through and
read it. But the dog was just sitting there, I
say dog, It was just sitting there on butt, kind
of looking at them, like not aggressive, just kind of
hanging out and just kind of like, hey, I'm here,
like no problem. And I think it has to do
with her, the eyewitness, because she's had numerous little encounters
with these creatures there around her property over the years,
and I think that she's developed a rapport I guess
with them now. I don't know that her sister, I
believe it was her sister. I don't know that her
sister was fully aware of their presence until that day,
but she is now, and so now at least I
think they have something to talk about. But again, another
similar situation. You know, they could have been lunch, but
they ended up getting out of there and they were
both fine. You can read more about it. It's case
Syle number two sixty three. But the case file is
kind of a conglomeration. This lady finds little bits and
pieces of evidence around her property on a regular basis.
She takes photos of these creatures during the daytime around
her property. She's got like a little lake or a
little pond, and she's always sending me these really cool
photos and unfortunately, you know, they have a lot of
pard I'm not going to say the photos are paranoilia,
but they're not what's the word I'm looking for. They're
not convincing enough that you wouldn't call paradolia. If she
was to post them out there on social media, she'd
probably catch a lot of hell. I've looked at some
of her photos, and some of the photos that she
sent me have been pretty impressive, especially when you get
in there and you start playing with the contrast and
the sharpness and use a lot of times you can
really see that there is something in the bushes. But
I think she's developed a, you know, just a relationship
with them where they kind of respect her and she
kind of respects them. One of the coolest things that
she sent me, and she sends me a lot of stuff.
She's like, I found a bunch of dog prints in
my garden, and I was like, well, take a video
and send it to me, And so she sends me
this video and the dog prints are probably about you know,
four inches around, you know, and they looked typical caneine
print and it was like a little trackway and and
she was like yeah, and I go, well, you know,
those aren't really that big. But I said, there is
one thing that's actually kind of cool about this set
of tracks. And she's like what, And I said, well,
that creature's walking by petal Lely. I said, you know,
most of the time when you're you're you're looking at
a canine prince, you can see that there's you know,
there's like two prints and then two prints and then
two prints. Well, this set of tracks that she sent
me a video of was like one print, then quite
a distance next print print, So there was that. She
actually sent me a video of a jew what I
think is a juvenile dog man walking by Petey, and
she did not even put two and two together until
I had her on the phone. I was telling her,
you know, that's my beetle, and she's like, oh my god,
you're right that there should be you know, twice as
many prints there for a four legged animal. So she's
got quite a little scenario on her hands out there,
and she's constantly coming up with interesting photos and prints.
And in one of these days, I'm hoping that she'll
she'll get me like a really big footprint. You know,
some pictures are some really big ones. But I'm really
grateful for her, and she's always constantly communicating with me,
and it's nice to have somebody that has them on
their property at least from time to time, that's aware
of their presence, and she's doing what she can to
document them. But they're around in the daytime too, which
to me, that's just crazy. I would mention her name,
but I don't know that she wants to be mentioned.
So let's see here case found number one seventy one.
This goes back to what we were talking about before.
I think last time we touched on the concept of
these things being seen in the suburbs area, you know,
in town, and this is another one of those. I
got this one off of another website, but there was
I believe this was a woman who saw a in
twenty sixteen on the suburbs of Tulsa. I'll just read
it here. I saw something bent over in a circle
that was black and looked like it had a main
like a lion. To me's that's kind of a I
don't know how to put it. When people mentioned having
a maine, that's kind of a I don't know. That's
very to me. That's a sign of being legit. I think,
don't cheat on that one. But anyway, I said, she
looked at it for about fifteen seconds and decided to
run to the bathroom to get a light, and she
put it. It was a head wrap lamp. She put
it on her head and ran to the back and
she saw that it was still there, and she carefully
turned on the light and shined it right on it.
And she says that when I did that, it turned
around and looked in my direction. Then it ran to
the fence line, and a smaller one was running in
the front of it, so apparently there was two of
them there. And she said that it was physically the
size of a lion, like a full blown lion. And
she said had yellow eyes, twenty ears, huge shoulders, huge chest,
which kind of reminded me personally of the one that
I saw. It ran on all fours and this thing
was She says, this thing was so fast it took
about two seconds to run down the fence line. And
she says, this wolf was way faster than my dog.
And that was in twenty sixteen in suburbs of Touled.
Something I thought that was another fascinating report. Of course,
you know, I'm always interested in reports that happened. Well,
I'm interested in all reports, but I'm especially interested in
the ones where they're within city limits in the suburbs.
I mean, there's a particular boldness that's involved with them
being in a residential area that I find fascinating. And
you know, and to me, it's just I don't know,
I don't really know. It's just it seems like dog
men are a little bolder than sasquatch, at least in
my opinion. It's like they're less concerned. If a sasquatch
sees you, it's going to be still and freeze and
probably wait for you to turn your head before it
vanishes and disappears. But a lot of dog men reports
they don't behave in that way at all. They just
keep doing what they're doing. They know you're there, but
they don't care you're like not They're either trying to
scare you or they could care less about you and
what you're going to do, which I find that kind
of behavior fascinating. But anyway, that's all I've got for tonight.
Speaker 2: Well that's quite a bit. Some very interesting keys files there,
and of course we really appreciate you coming on and
sharingle Is with us.
Speaker 1: I never miss a chance to talk dog man I
you know, it's kind of my passion. I enjoy it
and whatever I can do to help educate people spread
the word, you know that way people, especially people in
my area. You know, I want them to know what's
going on in their area. And there's in Oklahoma is Is.
I think it's a hot spot for dog man activity,
but it's not the only place. I mean, there's been
a lot of reports come out of Kansas. There's been
a lot of reports. You've had some really interesting eyewitnesses
over in Arkansas and a few down in Texas. And
I mean, to me, it's just they're everywhere. I don't
know where, you know, apparently they've been here for a
very very, very long time. And I don't think they're
going anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that makes two of us. I don't think
they are either. Well, before we get out of here,
two things, Brian. Number one, what's the best way for
an eyewitness who had a signing in Oklahoma the contact you?
Speaker 1: Well, we also do Kansas, and if you're close to
the border any any way, around us. You know, I'm
more than happy to write these down and document them.
But even if you're from farther away, I do not
mind taking time to visit with people about what they've seen.
I love hearing the stories, but I only document the
ones that are in my area. So, but the best
way to get a hold of me is either look
me up on Facebook and send me a friend request,
hit me up on Messenger, or you can just email
me if you if you like doing that at Red
Dirt cryptids at gmail dot com, and there's ask at
the end of cryptids, and you know, you don't have
to go in and send me a big, long email.
You could just say, hey, my name is Billy and
I saw this and I would like to visit with
you about it, and just give me your you know,
your phone number, and I'll probably shoot you a text
and range of time to visit on the phone. So
this is possibly the best way because I'm not a
big text or email or I would much rather visit
with somebody on the phone and hear their voice, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2: No, I definitely understand, and for anyone listening who does
want to reach out to Brian to do that. Then
if you check out the description for tonight's show, I'll
have a link to his YouTube channel read Cryptids, and
also have a link to his Facebook page. That'll make
it really easy to find both of those. And speaking
of your YouTube channel, please plug it for us.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just called Red Dirt Cryptid Investigations. We post
a lot of material, not all of it is field research,
but there's interviews. We do a lot of public education
where we go out to libraries and we have a
few speaking events that are recorded that are on there.
We also do expeditions and we go out and we
do research in specific areas trying to find research. We've
started focusing more on the dog man phenomenon, and as
a matter of fact, our next project is going to
be a dog man documentary, but it's going to take
a while to get that out. I'm hoping to have
that done with in the next year. But right now
we're working on a different project that we're going to
release that involves more about sasquatch, But our next big
project is going to be about dog men because there's
a there's a huge gap in information out there, and
there's not a whole lot of information about dog men
out there, and I kind of consider it my duty
to put to put what we know out there and
it kind of spread the word and keep people educated
because it again it's it's hard to find information. It
is hard.
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, Brian, I want to
throw something at you to see what your take on
it is. I'm not sure if you've had these kind
of reports shared with you or not, but if you have,
have you noticed a trend People think that they're safe
from these things just by being on a boat fishing
for bass or whatever. They're out in water deep enough
or even one of these things couldn't wade out to them,
so they think that they're safe just to find that
they look over their shoulder and they see one's head
just cruising across the water at night, for example, towards
their boat. So it just really traumatizes them. Is something
they never even considered, the possibility that one of these
guys could swim out to them. And then of course
the other cases where they didn't realize that dog men
was in the area and they happen to see this
head in the water that it looks like a big
wolf or something and it's moving towards them. Its eyes
are locked on them, and to their horror, they see
a hand, a clawed hand reach up and grab the
edge of the boat or something like that that lets
them know this isn't a wolf, this is something else.
Have you noticed a tendency for people to not connect
the dots and consider the fact that these guys can
actually swim.
Speaker 1: I do not have any reports like that. However, I
have heard stories about this, and to be quite honest,
I don't know why. But that's like, that's to me,
that's like next level psychology. Brain explode. I mean, I
can't imagine that because when you're in a boat, you're
kind of trapped. At least in a car, you can
throw it into gear and you can haul, but but
trying to get a boat up to speed and move
in and stuff. You can't just bail out of a boat,
you know, because that's going to put you in an
even deeper situation. And you know, most of most of
these people that have those encounters, they usually don't go.
You hear the stories, and you know, I'm kind of
I've always pictured them in like a little back tracker
boats or something like that, and those are not known
for being fast. I man, I've only got one encounter
where a guy was in a boat and he was
actually in a kayak when he encountered this this dog
man at night, and it was it was on the
shore in the reeds, and that to me, that that
would scare the heck out of me. I'm man, I
don't know that I'd want to see that. But but no,
I don't have any case files where people have had
them swimming, period, let alone out to their boat. But
I have heard a lot of you know, podcasts talk
about it, and I'm actually kind of surprised because you
think if it was going to happen anywhere, it would
happen in Oklahoma with all of our rivers and all
of our lakes, and you know, we have such a
diverse habitat and so many lakes and so many rivers.
I mean, it's just a wonder that we we if
we do have, I'm not aware of those case files,
so yeah, I don't have any files on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those kind of cases, they definitely do really traumatize
the eyewitnesses. It's actually it's really horrible. It is, so
I guess there's no surprise for the reasons you listed.
Speaker 1: Well, I do believe that they are. There is absolutely
no reason why they or even a sasquatch could are not.
Just really you know, avid swimmers. I mean it just
to me, it makes sense. And you know, I've heard
a lot of reports about them being very fast swimmers,
very agile in the water, So I don't know that
I wouldn't try to run from them through water. I
don't think that's the good way to get away from
one of these is to go into the water.
Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd see it's not And also too, when
you consider the fact that a bigger one could have
hands as big as a trash can lead. I bet
they can push some water back behind them when they
want too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean think of the well. And they
have so much upper body strength I think is compared
to to us. And you know, I would their body
structure is different from a regular K nine, so it
would you know, a regular K nine, a regular dog
moves kind of slow in the water because they do
the dog battle. I would think that these things would
probably not swim anything like that because they're built different.
But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's a good opinion of my opinion, no
pun intended. One thing that if you haven't thought about
it it might be jarring is the fact that when
you consider the fact that grizzly bears have that hump
on their back for a reason. It aids them in
digging into stumps and digging up roots looking for food.
That motion down, bringing the arms down and back. That
digging motion, well, I guess kind of a motion a
dog man would use to swim and swim quickly that
same motion. So yeah, it would make sense when you
think about it, how almost all these guys, almost all
dog men, have that pronounced tump on their backs, that
they would be really strong swimmers, especially with the huge hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I hope I don't ever find
out firsthand. I'll be more than happy to take reports
on that and let other people be the experiencers. Jeez, yeah,
I know what you mean there.
Speaker 2: Well, it's time for us to get out of here.
You've helped us out for long enough. I know you've
You've got to go home still, So at this point
I'm just going to thank you so much again for
coming on, Brian, especially on such shortened notice. I really
do appreciate it. If I can never help you in
the future, as you know, please let me know.
Speaker 1: Hey, no problem in it. Like I said, it's always
an honor to be on here, and I appreciate you guys.
I appreciate your listeners reaching out to me, and just
just feel free to holler at me and just be
patient with me because I'm kind of like you. I
ended up getting a lot of people communicating with me
from time to time. So a little bit of grace
goes a long way for a part time field investigator.
Speaker 2: Well that always holds true. You know, there's not enough
Greece in this world. But like I said, Brian, thanks
again so much for your time. I really do appreciate it,
and I hope you have a great night.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I had fun.
Speaker 2: Well I goes two ways. Thanks. We'll see you all right.
That's another one in the books. Before I get out
of I just want to remind you if you've had a
Dogman encounter and would like to speak with me about
it because you need help it's traumatized you, or if
you want to be a guest on the show, please
go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If
you do that, then I'll be more than happy to
reach out to you and schedule a film consultation with you,
and also too thanks again so much for listening, of course,
I really do appreciate it. Have a great night.