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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks again

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so much for listening to another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.

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I really appreciate you being here. I'll tell you what

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these past two weeks have been something else. If you

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talked about Murphy's Law, what's gone, What's taken place over

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the past two weeks has been a perfect example of

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what can go wrong. I don't even really know where

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to start. Number one, I want to put word out

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for anyone who's put who's submitted a Dogman report on

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the website anytime in recent history. I'm not sure how

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far back this problem went, but the gist of it

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is the website wasn't sending me the reports that eyewitnesses

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were submitting. So if you submitted a report anytime in

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the past three weeks or so, there's a strong possibility

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if you haven't heard from me, there's a strong possibility

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I didn't get your report. Now, funny things have happened

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on the website like that before. When it comes to

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my reports such as I've had when I've gotten profound

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encounters before. There have been cases where they just disappeared

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from my email account. I didn't delete them, they just

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up and vanished. I don't know if this is related

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to that or not, but something had happened to the

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website that made it so that those emails weren't hitting

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my inbox. So that's why I'm just putting it out there.

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If you put a if you submitted a report anytime

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in the last three weeks or so, if you've submitted

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a report period and haven't heard from me for whatever reason,

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then I hate to ask you to do this, but

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please submit another report and I'll get back with you

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absolutely as soon as I can. Now we have that

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out of the way, another bit of news I want

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to put out there for you. About almost two weeks ago,

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I was contacted by a producer from a production company

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that's working on a new TV series on the History

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Channel that's going to be for the History Channel that

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focuses on cryptids. Well, they contacted me because they wanted

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to know if I'd be interested in sending them eyewitnesses

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for this new show. They're looking for encounters that are

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more on the traumatic side, just so you know, But

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if you've had any cryptid related experiences that you'd be

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interested in flying out to Seattle, that's where they're based,

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but they would pay you to fly out there and

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cover all of your expenses and also compensate you. But

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if you would be interested in flying out to Seattle

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to share your cryptid related sighting on that TV series,

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then if you can, I guess go to Dogmandecounters dot

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Com would be the best way and submit a message,

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send me a message, it's a general contact form that

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you would need to send me. Then yeah, if I

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think it'll be a good match for that show, If

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I think those producers that contact to me would be

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interested and having you come out to do that, then

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I'll definitely put them into contact with you. All right,

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now we have that out of the way, The last

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order of business I want to put out there for

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you is I had a guest lined up to do

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the show last Friday, but he had some nasty stomach bug.

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That's why I wasn't able to come on. It hit

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him at the last moment, and because of that illness,

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it seemed to me like he was going to be

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ready to go the following Monday or Tuesday at the latest.

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He wasn't ready to go. So I'm not sure when

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he's going to be ready to come on, But once

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he is, we'll get him on here so he can

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share his experiences. All right, now we have all that

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taken care of, let's move on to tonight's guest, A

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special guest who's been on the show three times prior.

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Of course, I'm talking about Brian Terrell. He's a dog

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man researcher from the state of Oklahoma. He has a

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YouTube channel called Red Dirt Cryptids and if you think

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back to episode five sixty eight, if his name sounds familiar,

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it should because he was on episode five sixty eight

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sharing case files that he investigated in Oklahoma. Well, the

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reception for that show was so positive, I thought, you

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know what, Since the guest I had originally lined up

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to come on tonight he had an act unfortunately and

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wasn't able to come on, I thought, you know it,

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who better to reach out and ask if you'd be

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interested in coming back on. Well, luckily he agreed with

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such short notice, on top of that, he agreed to

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come back on. So without any further ado, let's bring

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him in here now. Brian, thanks so much for coming back.

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please tell them about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do cryptid field research primarily here in Oklahoma.

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here and there. We like to travel, but of course,

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you know, to go to work. So but we're always

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out there investigating, you know, locations that have a high

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percentage of dog man encounters and bigfoot encounters. We also

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dog Man. But dog Man is my favorite. I got

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to admit I'm more fascinated by that than probably just

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about any other Cryptid just because of the encounters that

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of document our own evidence, and it kind of it

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kind of grew, and we got a Facebook page. We

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going with better links to the case files and stuff

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like that. We do maintain a free public database of

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CRYPTID case files for people so that they can go

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and check out everything that's in there. I think I've

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got like three hundred and I'm pushing three hundred and

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ninety case files in there, and I'm probably I don't know,

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I got to be at least twenty or thirty case

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files behind. It's like there's a steady stream of case

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files that are coming in, and it's hard to juggle

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your day job and family life and everything and stay

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on top of everything that's actually going on in two

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or three states surrounding you, you know, and it's there's

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there's a lot more going on, I think than one

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people realize. We also do eyewitness interviews. One of my

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favorite things is to go out and interview people at

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the locations where they happened, or maybe just you know,

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visit with them and and you know, get there, get

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their interview. I really enjoy that. But you know the

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voice of reason for people. I end up I'm like you.

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the phone that have had frightening encounters. They're upset, they're scared,

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they don't know what to make of it, you know,

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and a lot of people are driven out of the

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woods forever, and my heart goes out to them. I

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the whole dog man phenomenon. I wasn't like some of

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these poor people that just get the rug pulled out

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from underneath them one day. That would just that would

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be pretty pretty rough. But you know, these people are

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out there and they don't know who to talk to.

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somebody that knows that they're real and and you know

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that somebody that knows you're not crazy. I mean, you

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can't go to your pastor with this kind of stuff,

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and you know, you can't go to a therapist. I mean,

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you know, they're they're probably gonna call the guys in

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the white suits to come and collect you. And of

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course that's I think that's gotten a lot better over

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the last few years. But but you know, I mean

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people people have concerns about coming forward, and you know, rightfully,

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so that should be concerned because this kind of stuff

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could affect your job, and you know, and and and

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a lot of and you know, a lot of your

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family members won't even believe you. That's the one thing

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that's always kind of got me is is how many

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people's families actually you know, well, we'll pretty much just

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turn on them and you know, you're you're full of crap,

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you know, And I don't know. To me, it's like

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your family should be the number one people that have

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your back in that situation, not the other way around.

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stuff all the way around, coming and going. There's no

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positive thing that really comes out of having a real

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dog man encounter other than the fact that you know,

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you're now aware of the truth. That's the only positive

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thing about it is the truth is presented to you

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and at least going forward to you, you now know.

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guests know and your listeners know, that there's a price

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that gets paid for that knowing the truth, and most

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of the time it's ridicule.

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now witnesses who are literally the punchline that family get togethers.

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they've experienced after coming out with their experience where they're

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not derided because they did reveal what happened to them. Yeah,

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it's just horrible. Just imagine having a traumatic encounter with

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the dog men and having that to look forward to.

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your back, and you know, the weird thing is, it

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doesn't make sense if it would have been anything else,

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those people would have your back. You know, if you

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was in a bad car wreck and or if you

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you know, just you know, if you were hurt or something,

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they would be right there and they would, you know,

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be your biggest supporters or you know, like divorce or

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something like that, or if you lost a if you

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lost a mom or a dad or something. You know,

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having all the experience that you've got investigating dog mean,

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you're the perfect person to ask this question. What kind

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of advice would you give anyone who's got this crazy

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burr under their saddle and they've nei their mind up

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if they want to go out and start investigating these things?

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we do about dog Man. We know, you know where

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to go look for them and stuff like that, And

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I think that I've always said this, and people will

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feel free to disagree with me, but I think that

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dog man research is today it's kind of where bigfoot

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research was thirty years ago. But it's slowly coming along.

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I think it's a it's I think everybody would agree

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that it's happening faster than the whole bigfoot thing did.

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where to go, I would say, the first thing you

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research and finding out where these things happen, what happened

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to who, Start reaching out to people you can, you know,

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calm Facebook and start listening to you know, podcasts and

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watching YouTube videos about the subject, and you know, create

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like a notebook or something, and even if it's just

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hand written, and start writing all this stuff down and eventually,

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when they're walking quadrupedally, they just look like regular canine prints.

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like a coyote footprint. But I don't think that anybody

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is completely up to speed on how to accurately identify

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a small juvenile dog man print from a domestic dog.

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So it's kind of tough getting into it. There's not

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a whole lot of experts in the field that you

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can lean on that have you know, tons and tons

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of information. You know, I've always said that, you know,

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we do have a lack of you know, these these

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people like you know, the Bigfoot phenomenon has Jeff Meldrum

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and you know, the Four Horsemen, and you know, and

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we've got some good people in the in the dog

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man community, but you know, there's a I think that

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they're not to that point yet, and I think that

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there's a lot of gaps in the actual physical evidence

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compared to Bigfoot. We've got a long way to go

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before we amass that, you know, that kind of you know,

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evidence for people to look at. There's a lot of

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you know, starting out in this is is man. That's

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that's a good thing. I mean, I kind of got

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thrown into it, and but you're going to end up

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doing if you do this kind of work, you're also

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going to have to go where there's sasquatch too, and

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that's probably one of your best bets is to go

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where the sasquatch are because contrary to popular and belief,

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I have not seen any evidence that dog man and

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foot avoid each other. And they have their own distinct territories.

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It seems like they intermix with each other, and a

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lot of times they're in the same areas. I'll get

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reports of dog men and bigfoot coming out of the

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same areas. And although I don't get any too many

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reports of them, you know, buddy buddy hanging out together

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or anything like that, or you know, I've never gotten

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one of those dog men bigfoot fight reports. I don't

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know that I would. I'd struggle to believe that if

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anybody ever brought that to me. I mean, it's just

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there's such a lack of it just doesn't make a

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whole lot of sense for them to do that kind

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of stuff. Although you see that kind of stuff on

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the internet floating around all the time. Everybody wants to

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see that fight. But you know, I don't think in reality,

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I don't think it's I don't think it's going to happen.

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But that's just my opinion. I just go off of

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the data that I have collected over the years, and

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you know, you just kind of got to go with

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with what does the data say that you've collected that

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you consider to be credible. You can't just get on

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you know, the on the podcasts and on YouTube and

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just believe everything that comes through the PIP because there's

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a lot of fiction floating around in there. I could

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give some people some advice on how to filter out

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the fiction versus some of the factual stuff that's actually

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going around out there, but I don't know that I

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would want to actually do that here. I mean, that's

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kind of controversial, and you know, you never know. I

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could be wrong about that too, but it's it's it's

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tough separating the fiction from the truth, and the fiction

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does tend to sell better than the truth.

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Speaker 2: So well also too, if you reveal how you vet

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stories to try and find out who's telling the truth

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and who's not, that's self defeating. It just tells people

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how to lie to you in a wave. It they

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can sneak a story past you. So yeah, I don't

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blame you for doing that or for not doing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want to educate people in deception, and

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I think there's a lot more of that in the

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Sasquatch community than there is the dog Man community. We

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were just talking earlier about how the dog Man community is.

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It's a little bit smaller than the Sasquatch community, but

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the people that are in it, you know, the people

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that follow the dog Man stuff, they're they're a little

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bit more plugged in there. They know a little bit more.

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You know. The whole Bigfoot community has a whole batch

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of people that are involved in that that they think

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it's just a big joke and they think it's like

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a comedy show or something, and they follow it just

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because of that. I don't think that the dog Man

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community has that aspect of followers. I think most of

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the people, a higher percentage of people that follow you know,

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this show and other shows like this, they follow it

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because they've either had experiences themselves, or they've got a

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family member or somebody close that they trust that's had

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that kind of stuff and they know that these things

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are real, and that's why they follow this kind of

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stuff because there ain't nothing funny about seeing a dog

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man so and you don't see a whole lot of

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dog men memes funny memes floating around on the internet.

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Thank god, Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness for that. Well, I'll tell you what, Brian,

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are you ready to start sharing some new keys files

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with us?

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Speaker 1: Well? I did. I printed off a couple. I'm kind

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of old school here and I printed off a couple

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so you may hear some paper shuffle and as I'm

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talking that, Yeah, I've got a few prepared that we

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can talk about. That that I that I don't think

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we talked about last time. But like I said, I

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am I cannot be held responsible if I repeat myself

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a little bit. Yeah, so no problem. Well, so the

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first one I want to talk about. It happened in

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the summer of twenty nineteen, and for those of you

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that don't know, it happened in Osh County. Osh County

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is the biggest county in Oklahoma. It is at the

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very far tip top. It borders Kansas and Kansas. Actually

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you would be surprised they have a lot of dog

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man activity up there too. But those h County borders

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that it's really big, and it's southern border is a river.

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And I found this one on posted in a Facebook post.

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And actually what happens is is people that are following

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some of these Facebook pages and stuff, people will go

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on there and they will type in their story and

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they'll leave their story. Well, I've got several people, very

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very loyal people. They're practically, you know, teammates of mine

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that when they stumble across this kind of stuff, they

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will either tag me in it or they will forward

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that article to me so that I can have it.

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Which man, I really appreciate that. It's really beneficial for

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me to have other people out there that are feeding

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me information because I'm just one guy and the other

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guys on my team, you know, they don't have as

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much time I don't think to be on social media

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as I do. A lot of them, you know, they

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work more than I do, so I end up spending

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more time on social media than they do. But I

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appreciate these people that forward me stuff and tagged me

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and stuff anything that's Bigfoot or dog Man related. Man,

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I really appreciate that. But this one was forwarded me.

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I was tagged in this one. But this guy went

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on on Facebook and he posted that in the summer

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of twenty nineteen, he was driving on the north side

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of Keystone Lewe and he noticed that there was two

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groups of deer that were standing by the side of

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the road, and they were staring in a particular direction.

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And of course, you know, when you're a hunter and

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you see a bunch of deer and they're all looking

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in one direction, you naturally assume that you know there's

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a predator or something like that, because you know, to

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be honest with you, they should be looking at you.

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But if they're not looking at you, there's something else

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that's scarier than you. And he noticed that they were

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looking intently on something on the left hand side of

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the road. He said, at first he didn't see anything

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where it was at, and then he looked back towards

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the deer, and then he'd looked back and forth, and

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then he saw something. He noticed something slightly strange right there.

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He said. It was about twenty five yards behind him,

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which is actually really really close. He said, at first

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he thought it was a dead cedar tree, but when

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he got a little bit closer, he realized that it

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was a six foot tall, sitting down wolf. And the

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reason why he thought it was a cedar tree is

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because it wasn't black. It was actually like the color

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of a dead and dying cedar tree. It was kind

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of a light brown color, which you know, which is

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kind of different A lot of our encounters are black

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fur creatures, you know. But anyway, as he drove by it,

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and it was just staring at him, and he saw

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the eyes and it was sitting there, just sitting once

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haunches like it was hoping that it did not see him,

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and so he first, you know, he couldn't really believe

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his eyes. And I think what happened to him is

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the same thing happens to a lot of people when

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they see it, know that they keep going and they're

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sitting there and they got the thing running in their

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brain and they're like, did I just see what I

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thought I saw? You know, what else could that have been?

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When that surely that couldn't have been a wolf that big,

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you know, But he ended up driving a quarter of

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a mile down the road where he could turn around.

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This guy was apparently crazy enough that he was going

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to turn around and go back and look at this.

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But when he turned around, got back down there they

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were gone or it was gone, and I thought that

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that was I thought that that was pretty neat story.

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But that is just on the north side of Keystone Lake,

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which if anybody doesn't know where a Keystone is, it

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would be I would say west and a little bit

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north of Tulsa. So I thought that was interesting fairly

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recent that was that was right before COVID broke out,

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So it's kind of amazing, and how we keep track

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of time nowadays, by I was it before or after COVID,

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So but I think that one was kind of interesting.

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I thought I saw another video about that same encounter

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that was done by another guy, but this guy posted

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about it on Facebook. So let's see here case file

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number two sixty seven. Now, this one is actually a

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Linda Godfrey report and it's from nineteen ninety three. And

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you know, Linda Godfrey was a long way from Oklahoma,

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and now I know that she did reports from all

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over the country about this kind of stuff. But I

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was always amazed at the fact that there was a

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lot of reports that she documented in her book that

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came out of Oklahoma, and this is one of them.

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But in nineteen ninety three, there was two men who

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had gone out into the country outside of Okaki, Oklahoma,

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which if you know the map of Oklahoma, that's pretty

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much right in the middle of Oklahoma. And they were

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sitting out in the country in a pickup truck with

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the rendos down park and they were talking. Now, as

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weird as that may sound today, back in nineteen ninety three,

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that was a pretty common thing for people to do.

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Used to drive out in the country sit out there.

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A lot of times there was a you know, an

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alcoholic beverage kept in a cooler, and you know, guys

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would sit out there. And you know, I can remember

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as a young man, I, you know, we used to

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go grab a you know, twelve pack or something, go

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out into the country and drink some beer before the

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before we went to the club, you know, And I

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always kind of thought that maybe this is what those

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guys were doing. But they were parked outside five miles

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east of Okarche, and basically they were just sitting there,

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just talking with the windows rolled down, and the guy

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in the passenger seat turned around and looked and right

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out he heard something shuffling, and all of a sudden,

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this thing was just practically right there outside of his window,

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this giant canine dog. And he estimated that it was

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at least seven foot tall, but it was bending over

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to stare into the window. And of course, you know,

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to me, I can't imagine, you know, being in this situation,

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but it was just looking at him like it was curious,

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you know, And and he could see a little bit

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of like glowing coming from its eyes. And and of

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course you know that that kicked in there, the flight,

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you know, syndrome, where they got they had to get

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the hell out of there. But you know, this thing

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was within just a matter of feet of this guy.

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And I've always found that, you know, this amazing how

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certain encounters like this, These dog men could have had

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these people if they wanted them. And this thing could

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have killed both of those men in that car or

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that truck, but they lived to tell the story. And

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I think it's kind of hard to consider them to

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be vicious and evil when we have so many eyewitnesses

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that survive to tell the story. You know, I don't

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know what your opinion of it is, but I don't

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necessarily think that they are evil. I think they're just

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natural creatures. But this thing, it came up. It was curious,

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you know, what are these guys doing? You know? But

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there's a whole write up about this in Linda Godfrey's book,

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and I don't I can't remember which one it is.

478
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,240
Like I said, I these case files aren't mine. I

479
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,799
go around and I steal good case files and I

480
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,759
try to put them into one place so that, you know,

481
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:45,119
people can get access to this kind of information, because

482
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,240
that's one of the biggest things that I think that's

483
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:52,000
causing problems for people now is there's no one place

484
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,960
that you can go look. I'm not saying that I

485
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,720
am the place to go look, but I think that

486
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,960
if more people did what I'm doing, or they just

487
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,160
they take case files from different people, they put them

488
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,720
in one place, and they give those people that did

489
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:11,279
the work the credit for fighting this case file and

490
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:15,480
digging it up, which that's what I do. I think

491
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:18,680
that I think that that's the way it should be done.

492
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,359
I mean, it's like you, vic, I mean a lot

493
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:25,240
of the case files that I have, they came from

494
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:29,960
eyewitnesses from your show, you know, And I always put

495
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,519
in there that you know that you're the investigator you

496
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,519
know on these ones, and give people that did the

497
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:39,880
work the credit for it. But I think that we

498
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
need to do more of this to where people can

499
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,640
have more access, because otherwise we've got to look everywhere,

500
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,839
you know, to be able to find this stuff. So

501
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:55,160
it's and man, it's I don't know, trying to dig

502
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,119
up information, especially when you're first getting started. It's really

503
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,839
tough to do.

504
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's like you almost don't know where to start.

505
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, it's hard enough to find figure out

506
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,079
what to even google when you saw a werewolf, you know,

507
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,239
and it took me a while to figure out what

508
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,400
dog man was, you know, it's like, what is that? Now?

509
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:27,599
This is another one that I think came from Oh no,

510
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:33,599
this one came from another website I listed. It's from

511
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:39,000
a fair normal website. But this one's a very weird one,

512
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,760
and it displays a certain amount of odd behavior. In

513
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,119
nineteen sixty one, there was a young man and this

514
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,280
is case file one sixty five. It's called young man

515
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,239
sees dog man kill a crow through his bedroom window

516
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,000
and it happened in nineteen sixty one, and it was

517
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:05,199
a class a nighttime sighting. And this one's so weird.

518
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,320
I don't even have to actually raise up on it.

519
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,800
So this young man was in bed and he lived.

520
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,800
He lived in a two story house, and he was

521
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,840
in the second story window, and he got up melanite

522
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,719
because he had to go pee, and something just told

523
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,519
him to look out the window. And so he got

524
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:30,719
up and looked out the window. The window was open

525
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,480
because a lot of people didn't have air conditioning back

526
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,119
in the sixties, and so they would prop the windows

527
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:42,320
open and stay cool that way. Well, he looked out

528
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,039
and he saw this thing moving around at the edge

529
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:53,559
of their yard. Now, this boy had caught somehow caught

530
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,119
a crow. He didn't really give specifics about how he

531
00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:00,639
had caught this crow. But they had taken this crow

532
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,800
and put it in a cage, and they apparently the

533
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,199
parents didn't want it in the house or whatever. You know,

534
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,960
his crows are obnoxious if you ever been around him,

535
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:14,639
and so they made him put it in his cage

536
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:17,239
and hang it up. Well, he had this thing hang

537
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,719
this cage hanging up on a pole outside and right

538
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,760
there at the edge of the yard. And so and

539
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,519
I guess he'd been feeding it or whatever. But anyway,

540
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:32,960
this dog man come through and this crow was there,

541
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:36,679
and for some strange reason the dog man. I don't

542
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,280
know if the dog man thought it was going to

543
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,559
start alerting his presence or what. But the dog man

544
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,920
goes over to the cage and reaches in the cage,

545
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,920
opens it and grabs the crow and stabbed it with

546
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:55,880
something that it had in its hand, shanked it or something,

547
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,360
and then left the crow in the case age and

548
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,280
went on moving through the property and the kid lost

549
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:11,800
sight of it. Really unusual story, and I've never heard

550
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:19,000
of of a dog man using an implement like that,

551
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,119
but I thought it was really strange. If you go

552
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,280
to my case files, there's a link at the end

553
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,079
of it, it's called the Crow Killer, and there's a

554
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:34,800
link that you can click on and you can go

555
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,360
there and read the original. You don't have to believe me,

556
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:42,719
you can read the original. But that was Syreal, Oklahoma,

557
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,159
which is kind of north of Lawton, if you know

558
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:54,039
where Lawton is, And I guess he tried to explain

559
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:58,679
this to his parents' parents didn't really believe him the

560
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,360
crow was dead. Dad basically just kind of threw the

561
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,800
body into a nearby field and kind of blew the

562
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:11,039
whole thing off. And I thought that was highly unusual that,

563
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:14,719
you know, his dad would find a dead crow in

564
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,679
there and just kind of blow it off like a snow.

565
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:20,480
Big deal. But you know, a lot of times back

566
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,440
in the day, especially in the sixties, you know, people

567
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,280
didn't have time to you know, investigate stuff. A lot

568
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,119
of times, especially on a farm, there's a there's so

569
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,800
much work to be done. You know that, you, I mean,

570
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,039
you just you basically, you know, you didn't have time

571
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,000
for any of this frivolous stuff like we do today.

572
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,000
But who knows what was going through the parents' mind.

573
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,599
But anyway, I encourage you guys to check out check

574
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:54,159
that out. Don't believe me? Looking at yourself? Pretty pretty cool.

575
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,280
Have you ever heard vick of I consider you to

576
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,320
be kind of an expert on their behavior. Have you

577
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,800
ever heard of them using tools or something like that?

578
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for the good words, but as you know,

579
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,920
no one's an expert when it comes to these things.

580
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:19,119
But I've heard them doing things that could be described

581
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:24,159
as them using tools, but in what capacity It's kind

582
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:29,519
of hard to put a finger on. There are more

583
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:33,360
cases where it would appear that they might have used

584
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,119
something as a tool, but no one actually saw them

585
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,320
doing it. So I can't tell you definitively that they

586
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000
do that, but I mean there's evidence out there that

587
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:46,920
points towards it being a strong possibility.

588
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,519
Speaker 1: Well, if they have hands that look similar to a

589
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:56,440
raccoon's hands, it would make sense that they would be

590
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,480
able to use them in a manner similar to what

591
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:05,840
we do. Raccoon's hands are pretty well versatile. I mean,

592
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,519
they can grab things, pick things up care him. I mean,

593
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:14,800
I don't know, but that was the only one that

594
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,199
I've ever heard of, and I don't I'd have to

595
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,400
go back and look it up, but I think that

596
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,480
he just couldn't quite see what it was, but it

597
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:25,400
looked like he was held something in his hand and

598
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:33,159
stabbed it with it. So, but just another very weird story.

599
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,800
But he said that, you know, he could see it

600
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,880
plain as day and the you know, the yard light

601
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:45,400
and upright walking canine. It's really really strange. And that's

602
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:52,199
not far from you know, the Lawton werewolf situation that

603
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,599
we talked about. I think on the last one where

604
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,880
that the werewolf was tormenting the the town of Lawton.

605
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,559
I think that was in the early seventies, so this

606
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:06,199
would have been like ten years prior to that, but

607
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:13,639
that case was kind of famous. Let's see here, Ah,

608
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,880
the next one up is actually originally was one of yours.

609
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,239
You had a guest on your show a couple of

610
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,840
years ago, and I found this to be fascinating. This

611
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,559
happened in White Eagle, Oklahoma, which is south of Ponca City,

612
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:38,039
and the guy was reporting that I've actually got it

613
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:40,519
written down right here. It was in episode forty three,

614
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,920
but he was talking about how there was a giant

615
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,000
upright wolf that was being pursued by the tribal police

616
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:55,320
in that town. And I've been through that town several times.

617
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,239
It's a very very very small Native American community. Not

618
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,199
a whole lot of outside traffic goes through there. I

619
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,599
never even knew where it was for years. I just

620
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,480
drove past it on the highway until I had to

621
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,599
go run a service call there years ago. But yeah,

622
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,800
I guess it was kind of leading them on a

623
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,559
wild goose chase they were pursuing it. It ran down

624
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:26,679
towards the stomp grounds. They chased it down there. For

625
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,599
those of you that know the area, you know that

626
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,679
the river kind of curves back up in there, and

627
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,119
you got the highway on one side and the river

628
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,679
on the other, and it kind of nexts down. At

629
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,039
that point, I guess the creature decided that it was

630
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:41,679
going to jump in the river, swam to the other

631
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,519
side of the river, and I guess it got to

632
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:47,159
these of the river, it stood up on its hind legs,

633
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,559
turned around and looked at them, And I was standing

634
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:55,519
up right at that point, and I guess the tribal

635
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:59,199
cops opened fired on it, but it ran off, and

636
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,519
they didn't have any indication that they had actually wounded

637
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:07,280
it in any way, shape or form. But I always

638
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,639
found that story to be really fascinating because, you know,

639
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:17,320
according to this this guy, his name is Matt, there

640
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,199
would have been a lot of eyewitnesses to this. I

641
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,599
don't think he gave a date for this, but you know,

642
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:30,760
there should have been what four or five witnesses for

643
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,079
this at least, you know, let alone it was running

644
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:39,719
through town, you know, through through the community there. I mean,

645
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,599
how many people saw that. Of course, it's a Native

646
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:48,760
American community, so they don't. They don't. They're not as

647
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,400
open about some of these things as as a lot

648
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,559
of people would think they would be. You know, they're

649
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,840
reluct they're just like us. They're reluctant to share this

650
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,920
kind of stuff because of ridicule. But I'm sure there's

651
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,360
a lot of people in White Eagle still remember that.

652
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,280
I'd love to talk to them and visit and maybe

653
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,960
find out a little bit more information about that encounter.

654
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,079
One thing I don't have on that one is a date,

655
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,760
and I'd love to at least know what year that happened.

656
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,039
But that was really cool that one came from you.

657
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,800
I was tickled to death to find that one. It

658
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,920
is an old one. Do you remember that one?

659
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,559
Speaker 2: I don't, but I deal with so many that it

660
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,239
is just no way to keep them all straight.

661
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:38,679
Speaker 1: Oh, trust me, I know how you feel. I feel bad,

662
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,440
you know, because I have people reach out to me

663
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,840
for the second time, and I feel bad because I

664
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:49,760
don't necessarily remember them off the top of my head,

665
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,559
and like I save them in my phone number and

666
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:58,760
their name either starts with a BF for Bigfoot or

667
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,880
a DM for dog Man, and usually what I usually

668
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,519
ended up with their name and what town they live in,

669
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,880
because man, it is really hard to keep track of people.

670
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,199
A lot of people, you know, they communicate with me

671
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,079
on a regular basis, and they feed me information, and

672
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:24,239
you know, to me, I feel bad because I'm naturally

673
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,400
bad with names in the first place. But when you

674
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,519
start telling me the story, then I will remember you.

675
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,960
So that's that's just me. I don't know how you are,

676
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:35,280
so no.

677
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: I feel the same way you talk about feeling low

678
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,119
about an inch long. You have someone contact you who

679
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,760
you've spoken with before at length, with a very traumatic encounter,

680
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,599
and they tell you that they need more help, but

681
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:51,199
you don't remember a thing about your conversation with them.

682
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,559
I mean, it's just it's embarrassing, makes you feel really bad.

683
00:45:55,039 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, just you just got to break us a

684
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,679
all right. You're going to have to bring me up

685
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,679
to speed. Tell me a little bit about your stories.

686
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,519
I can remember you because I talked to a lot

687
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:09,800
of people, and so far nobody has been terribly offended.

688
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:14,400
But I've been pretty fortunate. So just be patient with us.

689
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,159
You know, we we we have day jobs and you know,

690
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:25,679
a lot of stuff going on. You know. Let's see,

691
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,199
I may have talked about this one before. I don't remember,

692
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:35,360
but it's not necessarily an encounter story. But it's a

693
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,199
case file number one seventy seven. It's a I consider

694
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:47,559
it a historical mystery. It's the Catherine Cross gravestone in Conawa, Oklahoma.

695
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,679
That gravestone is actually currently missing. Someone has stolen it.

696
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,039
But the gravestone dates back to nineteen seventeen, and that

697
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:04,920
is a very very very long time ago. But her

698
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,119
gravestone specifically, you know, has her date and the date

699
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:13,039
that she lived and died and as her full name.

700
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,199
Her name is Katherine Cross, and I believe she was

701
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:20,039
nineteen at the time of her passing. But she has

702
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:24,400
one of the most remarkable epithaths that I've ever heard.

703
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:32,599
Her epithaph actually reads killed or no, murdered by human wolves.

704
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:39,559
Doesn't say killed, it says murdered by human wolves. And

705
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:42,719
of course, you know, people have found out about it.

706
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,559
There's pictures of it going around on the Internet. There's

707
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:48,199
been a lot of people that have done little YouTube

708
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:54,719
videos about Catherine Cross's life and what could have happened.

709
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,039
And there's a lot of people that you know, they

710
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:02,280
connect the dot it's in a way that kind of

711
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,480
makes them feel better, but they don't really have a

712
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,599
whole lot of evidence. A lot of people say that

713
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:13,159
she was impregnated by a local doctor or whatever. Some

714
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,920
young man or it was a butchered abortion gone wrong

715
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,519
or whatever. But you know, the thing, the thing that

716
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:30,119
gets me is is when you carve something in stone,

717
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,440
you know, you put some time thinking about what you're

718
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,000
going to put on your daughter's gravestone, you know. And

719
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,000
I think that they put exactly what they wanted to

720
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,599
put on that gravestone. I don't think it needs to

721
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:51,480
be interpreted. I don't think that, you know, we need

722
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:57,159
to stretch it. I think that when her father told

723
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,320
that man that I want murdered by human war on

724
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:07,960
her tombstone, I think that's exactly what happened. And I

725
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:14,440
don't understand why people need to create an elaborate story

726
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,840
around it. I mean, I think that this might be

727
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,480
actually what happened. I also think it's a I don't

728
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,559
think it's a coincidence that the gravestone has been missing

729
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,480
since twenty sixteen. I think somebody stole it in an

730
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:35,159
effort to kind of make that go away. I just

731
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,719
don't I don't know about that whole deal. And there's

732
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,199
YouTube videos if you're interested, that go into different aspects.

733
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,280
I think at one point in time I did a

734
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,320
YouTube video about it where I was kind of rebutting

735
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:55,480
some of the YouTube videos that were out there. And

736
00:49:56,599 --> 00:50:00,840
you know, but as far as I can tell, and

737
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,079
I've done the research, and I've looked up some of

738
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:07,000
the old newspaper clippings and stuff like that, and you know,

739
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:13,119
I actually had my mom do some genealogical background. My mother,

740
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:19,079
before she passed away, was very very well versed in

741
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:26,760
researching genealogical databases and stuff and finding out information about people.

742
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:31,320
And you know, I even had her on the case

743
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,400
for a while trying to dig up stuff and what

744
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:38,559
happened to the family. The family ended up moving moving

745
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:41,400
away to a completely different state not long after that.

746
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,920
But you can go and you know, online see pictures

747
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,480
of the actual gravestone. I've been told that there are

748
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:57,199
other gravestones in Oklahoma from that era that and not

749
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,280
in not in the Conawa, but in other areas is

750
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,679
that have something similar to that written on them. And

751
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,559
if anybody knows anything about that, I would really appreciate

752
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:11,199
it if you reach out to me, because I would

753
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,840
love to go out and photograph those and maybe do

754
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,280
a little bit of research on those people as well.

755
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,960
But at one point in time, I was under the

756
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,440
impression that there might be two other gravestones that have

757
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:33,159
something similar written as an epitaph, but have not found

758
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:39,119
those yet. Maybe with somebody ELL's help, i'd be great.

759
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:44,599
So we move along, Move along. Here's one that we

760
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,679
am pretty confident that we have not talked about this.

761
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,039
This is one of my older case files. It's a

762
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:57,760
case file number nine and it's called couple seas a

763
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:05,079
Large Dog near Ceiling and Ceiling, Oklahoma is in western Oklahoma,

764
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,480
and the people that I took this case fill from

765
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:13,599
they wanted to be anonymous, of course that they are.

766
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,400
They are, I guess you could say that they are

767
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:26,519
prominent business people in the area, and they are extremely

768
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:32,440
substantial landowners from that area, and they're but they're also

769
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:39,320
involved deeply with the local Native American tribe that is

770
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:45,679
based out of Ceiling, and they were invited to come

771
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,400
out to one of their ceremonial dances. And they get

772
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,519
invited to this kind of stuff all the time. You know,

773
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:56,480
they've they've had a relationship with these people for a while.

774
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,679
And so they were out there at this dance and

775
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,119
they were staying. They had rented a cabin right on

776
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:09,320
the edge of town out there in Ceiling, and they

777
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,840
got done at the dance and everything, and they came

778
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,920
back to the cabin and they were just going to

779
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:18,280
relax for a little bit before they went to bed.

780
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,920
And the night was nice, and they had a nice

781
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:23,719
The cabin had a nice front porch, and they went

782
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,119
out and they were sitting and while they were sitting

783
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:29,320
there just kind of quietly talking, you know, and this

784
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,719
is real late at night, down the street came this

785
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:42,719
extremely large black wolf looking dog and they both immediately

786
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,719
recognized that it was abnormally large because it was walking

787
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:52,559
on all fours. And now both of these people, both

788
00:53:52,599 --> 00:54:00,639
them husband and the wife, they have experience, let's just say,

789
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:10,519
extensive experience in livestock. And they estimated that this creature

790
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,199
had to go in excess of two hundred and fifty pounds.

791
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:21,199
And when somebody deals with livestock for a living, I

792
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:26,880
considered them to be probably the most the best witness

793
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,960
that you can get because they're used to looking at

794
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:34,360
animals and judging their weight, and you see what I'm saying,

795
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,360
and you know, they deal with this kind of stuff professionally. Well,

796
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,880
they said that it had to weigh well over two

797
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,719
hundred and fifty pounds, well, that is an extremely large canine.

798
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,440
They said that the thing was coming from the area

799
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:57,280
where the dance grounds had been, although it was a

800
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,519
little ways away, and they've that it just kind of

801
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,079
came out. It stood underneath a light, and it was

802
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:10,039
like it was showing itself to them, and they just

803
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:12,079
sat there and they looked at it and they were

804
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:15,000
watching it, and after it was done, it just turned

805
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,079
around and it walked out into the darkness and disappeared.

806
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:27,320
I personally think that this was one of the most

807
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:34,639
credible eyewitness sightings that I've ever heard of. It actually

808
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:40,880
happened in twenty twenty, actually was August of twenty twenty,

809
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,639
And to me, when I have people like that who

810
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,519
have everything to lose, they want to remain anonymous, and

811
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:54,599
they're experts in the livestock, Honestly, I don't see how

812
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,880
you could get a better witness than that. So that

813
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:02,880
particular case file is one of my favorites. But yet

814
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,000
it's kind of weird because it's like it just came

815
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:10,400
to show itself to them and then it left. I

816
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,039
can't explain that. It's kind of weird. But I don't

817
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:17,599
know what you think, Viig, but it seems like a

818
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:22,840
lot of these reports, it's like the creature shows up

819
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,760
and it's just presenting itself to people. It's almost like

820
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,320
it's like, here, I am, you know, look at me.

821
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,400
What do you think? You know? Or I don't know,

822
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,360
do you ever get that impression? Oh?

823
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: Sure? Well, these things are so intelligent they know that

824
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:45,800
just by presenting themselves like that, announcing their presence, they

825
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,400
know that's going to have the desired effect. If you

826
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,320
know that something like that's out there, it's going to

827
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,719
have long lasting effects on the eyewitness. Though it doesn't

828
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:54,960
surprise me if they do that.

829
00:56:56,639 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people say they think they feed

830
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:04,159
off of fear and stuff like that, and I kind

831
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:08,360
of see where people could draw that conclusion. Although that's

832
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:11,360
more of a feeling, I think, and we can't really

833
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:13,719
you know, you can't put all your eggs in a

834
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,800
basket because of feelings, but you know, and then there's

835
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,159
the whole smiling phenomenon. I'm still trying to wrap my

836
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:25,079
head around that. I don't know. That's that's strange, very

837
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:32,039
very strange. The next case file I have is in

838
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,880
my books. It's a case file number one fifty five.

839
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:41,440
This is actually a Cryptid Brothers report or actually I

840
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,280
think he's going by Monster nine to one one. Now,

841
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,400
he did, he does some pretty good work. As a

842
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,800
matter of fact, he recently reinterviewed this eyewitnessed Wiley Dave,

843
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,760
and they actually went out to the location, uh, where

844
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,679
it actually happened this time, and they took some video

845
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,320
and stuff of where it all went down. And to me,

846
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,920
that's just absolutely amazing, and that was really good work

847
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:16,360
on on you know, the Monster nine to one one

848
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,000
Lance's part. He did a really good job of investigating

849
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,360
that following it up. That is probably, in my opinion,

850
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,840
one of the craziest dog Man encounters that's ever come

851
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:35,360
out of Oklahoma was the Wiley Dave situation. And you

852
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,840
know he's also you know, kind of a trained observer.

853
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:44,800
You know, he's having him being there seeing that, judging distance,

854
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,920
judging size, using his scope to figure up, you know,

855
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,960
how how physically large this thing was. You know, it's

856
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,639
it's so much better to have eyewitnesses that can can

857
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:02,320
actually give you that kind of data based on that.

858
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:07,000
It's really really cool. Now, this guy, he's got a

859
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:11,440
really long story, but he basically ended up calling it

860
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:17,559
in with some type of Mouth call, and I think

861
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:20,440
everybody that probably follows you and follows that show. But

862
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:25,519
that happened in twenty thirteen. It happened in northwest Oklahoma,

863
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,880
kind of up close to where the Panhandle attaches to Oklahoma.

864
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,119
Not a whole lot of cover up there, you know,

865
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,559
it's just big open prairies, you know, and you know

866
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:45,679
the area where that happened, there's a river there, but

867
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:49,440
the rivers dry most of the time, and so it's

868
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,360
just you know, it's like, well, where was the water source?

869
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,280
You know? And I happened to think that maybe that

870
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,079
thing might have been, you know, going from point A

871
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:01,400
to point B, trying to relocate, find some better habitat

872
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:05,559
or something. Hard to say what was going on, but

873
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:12,400
Wiley Dave's description of that creature was horrifying. I mean

874
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:16,920
just absolutely horrifying. You want to talk about traumatic experience.

875
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,519
You know, here this guy is, and you know he's

876
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:25,679
out there and all these guts of five five six

877
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:29,679
AR which everybody thinks that in AR fifteen is this

878
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,800
real super powerful gun, but it's it's really not. It's

879
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,840
just a little bit fifty five grain bullets. You know,

880
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,800
my three eighty auto block that I carry in my pocket.

881
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,320
It's it hits you. It's a bigger bullet than that.

882
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:51,079
So he was definitely under gunned for that situation. And

883
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:55,320
he's another survivor. I mean, he probably could have put

884
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,840
a thirty round clip in it, but you know, it

885
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,119
probably wouldn't have ended very well for him if that

886
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:06,280
creature would have chosen to come get him. But again

887
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,800
it didn't, and he lived to tell the story, and

888
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,239
he ended up getting out of there. But that was

889
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,920
He also found a print whatever I think, when he

890
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:21,280
was on his way into the location, which I thought

891
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,880
that was kind of interesting. He described it as being

892
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,840
a very large canine print, and he basically said that

893
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,119
he thought that somebody might have been messing with him

894
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,199
or something like that. But kind of a really cool

895
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:40,960
story in my opinion, probably one of the most scary,

896
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:45,639
incredible stories that have ever come out of Oklahoma. And

897
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,280
you know what an eyewitness, I mean, you know, this

898
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,360
guy is a professional hunter and you couldn't ask for better. Again,

899
01:01:53,679 --> 01:02:02,000
So anyway, I do have a couple more, but I

900
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,159
don't know how much time we've got left.

901
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:07,599
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't mind sharing them, then we've got

902
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:08,119
the time.

903
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's uh, let's go ahead and take a

904
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:23,480
look at this. My next one, I've got two more.

905
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:27,840
This one here, let me see where the resinly came from.

906
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,159
Oh ah, Now I do not have permission to give

907
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:38,639
this lady's name, but she is on social media a lot.

908
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:43,760
She shares a little bit here and there. But this

909
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,159
lady lives down in I guess we would say southeastern Oklahoma,

910
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:53,119
and I'm in regular contact with her. She's she's a

911
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:55,760
very handy lady to have on your side. She's one

912
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,559
of those people that she follows the dog man phenomenon

913
01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:05,159
very and she feeds me information all the time. And

914
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:12,800
she has apparently some dog men on her property periodically

915
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,599
from time to time. And her and her I think

916
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:21,719
it was her, It was either her cousin or her sister,

917
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:27,639
were walking up and down the road, and I think

918
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:31,400
at this point her sister thought she was crazy and

919
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:35,440
didn't really believe her. And they were walking down the

920
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:38,519
road that they live on, and it was dark, and

921
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:43,920
they just happened to see this large upright canine sitting

922
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:46,679
on the other side of the bar ditch as they

923
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:51,199
walked by, and I guess it scared both of them

924
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:54,679
pretty bad, and I would have to go through and

925
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,320
read it. But the dog was just sitting there, I

926
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,280
say dog, It was just sitting there on butt, kind

927
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:08,599
of looking at them, like not aggressive, just kind of

928
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:12,960
hanging out and just kind of like, hey, I'm here,

929
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,400
like no problem. And I think it has to do

930
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:23,840
with her, the eyewitness, because she's had numerous little encounters

931
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:29,079
with these creatures there around her property over the years,

932
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:34,880
and I think that she's developed a rapport I guess

933
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:39,639
with them now. I don't know that her sister, I

934
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:42,760
believe it was her sister. I don't know that her

935
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,679
sister was fully aware of their presence until that day,

936
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:50,679
but she is now, and so now at least I

937
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:55,000
think they have something to talk about. But again, another

938
01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:01,639
similar situation. You know, they could have been lunch, but

939
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:06,079
they ended up getting out of there and they were

940
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:10,679
both fine. You can read more about it. It's case

941
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:14,559
Syle number two sixty three. But the case file is

942
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:21,840
kind of a conglomeration. This lady finds little bits and

943
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,840
pieces of evidence around her property on a regular basis.

944
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:33,079
She takes photos of these creatures during the daytime around

945
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:35,840
her property. She's got like a little lake or a

946
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,760
little pond, and she's always sending me these really cool

947
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,880
photos and unfortunately, you know, they have a lot of

948
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:49,599
pard I'm not going to say the photos are paranoilia,

949
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,320
but they're not what's the word I'm looking for. They're

950
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,760
not convincing enough that you wouldn't call paradolia. If she

951
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,119
was to post them out there on social media, she'd

952
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:06,920
probably catch a lot of hell. I've looked at some

953
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,360
of her photos, and some of the photos that she

954
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:14,039
sent me have been pretty impressive, especially when you get

955
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:16,719
in there and you start playing with the contrast and

956
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,519
the sharpness and use a lot of times you can

957
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:23,159
really see that there is something in the bushes. But

958
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,360
I think she's developed a, you know, just a relationship

959
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,960
with them where they kind of respect her and she

960
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:35,000
kind of respects them. One of the coolest things that

961
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:38,039
she sent me, and she sends me a lot of stuff.

962
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:43,119
She's like, I found a bunch of dog prints in

963
01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:46,639
my garden, and I was like, well, take a video

964
01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:50,840
and send it to me, And so she sends me

965
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,239
this video and the dog prints are probably about you know,

966
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,920
four inches around, you know, and they looked typical caneine

967
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:05,920
print and it was like a little trackway and and

968
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,880
she was like yeah, and I go, well, you know,

969
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,079
those aren't really that big. But I said, there is

970
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,320
one thing that's actually kind of cool about this set

971
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:17,159
of tracks. And she's like what, And I said, well,

972
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,519
that creature's walking by petal Lely. I said, you know,

973
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,360
most of the time when you're you're you're looking at

974
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,239
a canine prince, you can see that there's you know,

975
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,800
there's like two prints and then two prints and then

976
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,239
two prints. Well, this set of tracks that she sent

977
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,559
me a video of was like one print, then quite

978
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:43,079
a distance next print print, So there was that. She

979
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:46,679
actually sent me a video of a jew what I

980
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:50,760
think is a juvenile dog man walking by Petey, and

981
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,840
she did not even put two and two together until

982
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,360
I had her on the phone. I was telling her,

983
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,119
you know, that's my beetle, and she's like, oh my god,

984
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:02,519
you're right that there should be you know, twice as

985
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:06,679
many prints there for a four legged animal. So she's

986
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:12,159
got quite a little scenario on her hands out there,

987
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:17,199
and she's constantly coming up with interesting photos and prints.

988
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,680
And in one of these days, I'm hoping that she'll

989
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,000
she'll get me like a really big footprint. You know,

990
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,560
some pictures are some really big ones. But I'm really

991
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,760
grateful for her, and she's always constantly communicating with me,

992
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,720
and it's nice to have somebody that has them on

993
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,039
their property at least from time to time, that's aware

994
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:46,079
of their presence, and she's doing what she can to

995
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:50,840
document them. But they're around in the daytime too, which

996
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:57,119
to me, that's just crazy. I would mention her name,

997
01:08:57,119 --> 01:08:59,039
but I don't know that she wants to be mentioned.

998
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:04,520
So let's see here case found number one seventy one.

999
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,239
This goes back to what we were talking about before.

1000
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:12,960
I think last time we touched on the concept of

1001
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,079
these things being seen in the suburbs area, you know,

1002
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,439
in town, and this is another one of those. I

1003
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:27,840
got this one off of another website, but there was

1004
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:34,640
I believe this was a woman who saw a in

1005
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,920
twenty sixteen on the suburbs of Tulsa. I'll just read

1006
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,920
it here. I saw something bent over in a circle

1007
01:09:43,079 --> 01:09:46,119
that was black and looked like it had a main

1008
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:52,399
like a lion. To me's that's kind of a I

1009
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:55,640
don't know how to put it. When people mentioned having

1010
01:09:56,159 --> 01:10:00,279
a maine, that's kind of a I don't know. That's

1011
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:03,920
very to me. That's a sign of being legit. I think,

1012
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:09,239
don't cheat on that one. But anyway, I said, she

1013
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:12,800
looked at it for about fifteen seconds and decided to

1014
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,880
run to the bathroom to get a light, and she

1015
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,079
put it. It was a head wrap lamp. She put

1016
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:23,279
it on her head and ran to the back and

1017
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:27,000
she saw that it was still there, and she carefully

1018
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,600
turned on the light and shined it right on it.

1019
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,760
And she says that when I did that, it turned

1020
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,279
around and looked in my direction. Then it ran to

1021
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:41,840
the fence line, and a smaller one was running in

1022
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,560
the front of it, so apparently there was two of

1023
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,680
them there. And she said that it was physically the

1024
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:54,079
size of a lion, like a full blown lion. And

1025
01:10:54,199 --> 01:10:59,920
she said had yellow eyes, twenty ears, huge shoulders, huge chest,

1026
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,520
which kind of reminded me personally of the one that

1027
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,800
I saw. It ran on all fours and this thing

1028
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,880
was She says, this thing was so fast it took

1029
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,000
about two seconds to run down the fence line. And

1030
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:17,560
she says, this wolf was way faster than my dog.

1031
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,000
And that was in twenty sixteen in suburbs of Touled.

1032
01:11:22,039 --> 01:11:28,159
Something I thought that was another fascinating report. Of course,

1033
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:32,520
you know, I'm always interested in reports that happened. Well,

1034
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,479
I'm interested in all reports, but I'm especially interested in

1035
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,000
the ones where they're within city limits in the suburbs.

1036
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:47,239
I mean, there's a particular boldness that's involved with them

1037
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:52,159
being in a residential area that I find fascinating. And

1038
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:57,439
you know, and to me, it's just I don't know,

1039
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,840
I don't really know. It's just it seems like dog

1040
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:08,279
men are a little bolder than sasquatch, at least in

1041
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:13,800
my opinion. It's like they're less concerned. If a sasquatch

1042
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:19,720
sees you, it's going to be still and freeze and

1043
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:23,039
probably wait for you to turn your head before it

1044
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:27,840
vanishes and disappears. But a lot of dog men reports

1045
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,640
they don't behave in that way at all. They just

1046
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,760
keep doing what they're doing. They know you're there, but

1047
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:38,640
they don't care you're like not They're either trying to

1048
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,079
scare you or they could care less about you and

1049
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:45,640
what you're going to do, which I find that kind

1050
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:51,319
of behavior fascinating. But anyway, that's all I've got for tonight.

1051
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,520
Speaker 2: Well that's quite a bit. Some very interesting keys files there,

1052
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,960
and of course we really appreciate you coming on and

1053
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,199
sharingle Is with us.

1054
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: I never miss a chance to talk dog man I

1055
01:13:05,079 --> 01:13:08,279
you know, it's kind of my passion. I enjoy it

1056
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:12,479
and whatever I can do to help educate people spread

1057
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,920
the word, you know that way people, especially people in

1058
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,239
my area. You know, I want them to know what's

1059
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:24,000
going on in their area. And there's in Oklahoma is Is.

1060
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,520
I think it's a hot spot for dog man activity,

1061
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,479
but it's not the only place. I mean, there's been

1062
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,479
a lot of reports come out of Kansas. There's been

1063
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,880
a lot of reports. You've had some really interesting eyewitnesses

1064
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,760
over in Arkansas and a few down in Texas. And

1065
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,800
I mean, to me, it's just they're everywhere. I don't

1066
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,520
know where, you know, apparently they've been here for a

1067
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,600
very very, very long time. And I don't think they're

1068
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:55,479
going anywhere.

1069
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that makes two of us. I don't think

1070
01:13:59,319 --> 01:14:02,479
they are either. Well, before we get out of here,

1071
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,359
two things, Brian. Number one, what's the best way for

1072
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:08,439
an eyewitness who had a signing in Oklahoma the contact you?

1073
01:14:11,079 --> 01:14:15,119
Speaker 1: Well, we also do Kansas, and if you're close to

1074
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:18,680
the border any any way, around us. You know, I'm

1075
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,399
more than happy to write these down and document them.

1076
01:14:22,039 --> 01:14:24,960
But even if you're from farther away, I do not

1077
01:14:25,239 --> 01:14:29,920
mind taking time to visit with people about what they've seen.

1078
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:35,159
I love hearing the stories, but I only document the

1079
01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:39,000
ones that are in my area. So, but the best

1080
01:14:39,039 --> 01:14:41,880
way to get a hold of me is either look

1081
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:47,760
me up on Facebook and send me a friend request,

1082
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,359
hit me up on Messenger, or you can just email

1083
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:55,319
me if you if you like doing that at Red

1084
01:14:55,359 --> 01:15:00,560
Dirt cryptids at gmail dot com, and there's ask at

1085
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,520
the end of cryptids, and you know, you don't have

1086
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:09,680
to go in and send me a big, long email.

1087
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:13,479
You could just say, hey, my name is Billy and

1088
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,840
I saw this and I would like to visit with

1089
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,960
you about it, and just give me your you know,

1090
01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:23,359
your phone number, and I'll probably shoot you a text

1091
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,680
and range of time to visit on the phone. So

1092
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,359
this is possibly the best way because I'm not a

1093
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:34,359
big text or email or I would much rather visit

1094
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:38,319
with somebody on the phone and hear their voice, you

1095
01:15:38,359 --> 01:15:38,880
know what I mean.

1096
01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 2: No, I definitely understand, and for anyone listening who does

1097
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,600
want to reach out to Brian to do that. Then

1098
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:48,600
if you check out the description for tonight's show, I'll

1099
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,720
have a link to his YouTube channel read Cryptids, and

1100
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,520
also have a link to his Facebook page. That'll make

1101
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,119
it really easy to find both of those. And speaking

1102
01:15:57,119 --> 01:16:01,319
of your YouTube channel, please plug it for us.

1103
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 1: Well, it's just called Red Dirt Cryptid Investigations. We post

1104
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:12,560
a lot of material, not all of it is field research,

1105
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,560
but there's interviews. We do a lot of public education

1106
01:16:18,279 --> 01:16:21,600
where we go out to libraries and we have a

1107
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,720
few speaking events that are recorded that are on there.

1108
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:32,399
We also do expeditions and we go out and we

1109
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:39,520
do research in specific areas trying to find research. We've

1110
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:46,840
started focusing more on the dog man phenomenon, and as

1111
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,039
a matter of fact, our next project is going to

1112
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:56,079
be a dog man documentary, but it's going to take

1113
01:16:56,079 --> 01:16:58,960
a while to get that out. I'm hoping to have

1114
01:16:59,039 --> 01:17:03,199
that done with in the next year. But right now

1115
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:06,800
we're working on a different project that we're going to

1116
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,279
release that involves more about sasquatch, But our next big

1117
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,920
project is going to be about dog men because there's

1118
01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:21,000
a there's a huge gap in information out there, and

1119
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:24,640
there's not a whole lot of information about dog men

1120
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,640
out there, and I kind of consider it my duty

1121
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,960
to put to put what we know out there and

1122
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,920
it kind of spread the word and keep people educated

1123
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:43,079
because it again it's it's hard to find information. It

1124
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:43,600
is hard.

1125
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,600
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, Brian, I want to

1126
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,920
throw something at you to see what your take on

1127
01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:51,960
it is. I'm not sure if you've had these kind

1128
01:17:52,039 --> 01:17:57,000
of reports shared with you or not, but if you have,

1129
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:02,399
have you noticed a trend People think that they're safe

1130
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,079
from these things just by being on a boat fishing

1131
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,199
for bass or whatever. They're out in water deep enough

1132
01:18:09,319 --> 01:18:12,239
or even one of these things couldn't wade out to them,

1133
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,000
so they think that they're safe just to find that

1134
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,920
they look over their shoulder and they see one's head

1135
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,560
just cruising across the water at night, for example, towards

1136
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,479
their boat. So it just really traumatizes them. Is something

1137
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,680
they never even considered, the possibility that one of these

1138
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,399
guys could swim out to them. And then of course

1139
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,960
the other cases where they didn't realize that dog men

1140
01:18:35,079 --> 01:18:37,399
was in the area and they happen to see this

1141
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,840
head in the water that it looks like a big

1142
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,239
wolf or something and it's moving towards them. Its eyes

1143
01:18:43,279 --> 01:18:47,520
are locked on them, and to their horror, they see

1144
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:52,079
a hand, a clawed hand reach up and grab the

1145
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,239
edge of the boat or something like that that lets

1146
01:18:56,279 --> 01:18:58,960
them know this isn't a wolf, this is something else.

1147
01:18:59,279 --> 01:19:02,720
Have you noticed a tendency for people to not connect

1148
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,000
the dots and consider the fact that these guys can

1149
01:19:06,039 --> 01:19:08,800
actually swim.

1150
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: I do not have any reports like that. However, I

1151
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:18,560
have heard stories about this, and to be quite honest,

1152
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,840
I don't know why. But that's like, that's to me,

1153
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:27,920
that's like next level psychology. Brain explode. I mean, I

1154
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,920
can't imagine that because when you're in a boat, you're

1155
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:36,159
kind of trapped. At least in a car, you can

1156
01:19:36,319 --> 01:19:40,439
throw it into gear and you can haul, but but

1157
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,920
trying to get a boat up to speed and move

1158
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,119
in and stuff. You can't just bail out of a boat,

1159
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:48,600
you know, because that's going to put you in an

1160
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,119
even deeper situation. And you know, most of most of

1161
01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:55,199
these people that have those encounters, they usually don't go.

1162
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,560
You hear the stories, and you know, I'm kind of

1163
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,520
I've always pictured them in like a little back tracker

1164
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,920
boats or something like that, and those are not known

1165
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:10,720
for being fast. I man, I've only got one encounter

1166
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,920
where a guy was in a boat and he was

1167
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:19,560
actually in a kayak when he encountered this this dog

1168
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,000
man at night, and it was it was on the

1169
01:20:22,079 --> 01:20:27,840
shore in the reeds, and that to me, that that

1170
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:32,359
would scare the heck out of me. I'm man, I

1171
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,600
don't know that I'd want to see that. But but no,

1172
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,159
I don't have any case files where people have had

1173
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:43,840
them swimming, period, let alone out to their boat. But

1174
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:48,520
I have heard a lot of you know, podcasts talk

1175
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:53,319
about it, and I'm actually kind of surprised because you

1176
01:20:53,359 --> 01:20:55,119
think if it was going to happen anywhere, it would

1177
01:20:55,159 --> 01:20:57,800
happen in Oklahoma with all of our rivers and all

1178
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,760
of our lakes, and you know, we have such a

1179
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,840
diverse habitat and so many lakes and so many rivers.

1180
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,840
I mean, it's just a wonder that we we if

1181
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,399
we do have, I'm not aware of those case files,

1182
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,840
so yeah, I don't have any files on that.

1183
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, those kind of cases, they definitely do really traumatize

1184
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:28,159
the eyewitnesses. It's actually it's really horrible. It is, so

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I guess there's no surprise for the reasons you listed.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do believe that they are. There is absolutely

1187
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no reason why they or even a sasquatch could are not.

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Just really you know, avid swimmers. I mean it just

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to me, it makes sense. And you know, I've heard

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a lot of reports about them being very fast swimmers,

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very agile in the water, So I don't know that

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I wouldn't try to run from them through water. I

1193
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don't think that's the good way to get away from

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one of these is to go into the water.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd see it's not And also too, when

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you consider the fact that a bigger one could have

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hands as big as a trash can lead. I bet

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they can push some water back behind them when they

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want too.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean think of the well. And they

1201
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:26,000
have so much upper body strength I think is compared

1202
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to to us. And you know, I would their body

1203
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:35,000
structure is different from a regular K nine, so it

1204
01:22:35,079 --> 01:22:38,039
would you know, a regular K nine, a regular dog

1205
01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:40,079
moves kind of slow in the water because they do

1206
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:43,680
the dog battle. I would think that these things would

1207
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:48,000
probably not swim anything like that because they're built different.

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But that's just my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, it's a good opinion of my opinion, no

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01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,760
pun intended. One thing that if you haven't thought about

1211
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,199
it it might be jarring is the fact that when

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01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:06,560
you consider the fact that grizzly bears have that hump

1213
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,039
on their back for a reason. It aids them in

1214
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:13,880
digging into stumps and digging up roots looking for food.

1215
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That motion down, bringing the arms down and back. That

1216
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,199
digging motion, well, I guess kind of a motion a

1217
01:23:21,279 --> 01:23:24,680
dog man would use to swim and swim quickly that

1218
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,279
same motion. So yeah, it would make sense when you

1219
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:30,680
think about it, how almost all these guys, almost all

1220
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,399
dog men, have that pronounced tump on their backs, that

1221
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:37,600
they would be really strong swimmers, especially with the huge hands.

1222
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I hope I don't ever find

1223
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,760
out firsthand. I'll be more than happy to take reports

1224
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:53,039
on that and let other people be the experiencers. Jeez, yeah,

1225
01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:54,359
I know what you mean there.

1226
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:57,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's time for us to get out of here.

1227
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,960
You've helped us out for long enough. I know you've

1228
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,479
You've got to go home still, So at this point

1229
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,159
I'm just going to thank you so much again for

1230
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:07,920
coming on, Brian, especially on such shortened notice. I really

1231
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,479
do appreciate it. If I can never help you in

1232
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,720
the future, as you know, please let me know.

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01:24:14,279 --> 01:24:16,239
Speaker 1: Hey, no problem in it. Like I said, it's always

1234
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:19,520
an honor to be on here, and I appreciate you guys.

1235
01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:24,359
I appreciate your listeners reaching out to me, and just

1236
01:24:24,359 --> 01:24:26,800
just feel free to holler at me and just be

1237
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,000
patient with me because I'm kind of like you. I

1238
01:24:31,319 --> 01:24:34,640
ended up getting a lot of people communicating with me

1239
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,680
from time to time. So a little bit of grace

1240
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,319
goes a long way for a part time field investigator.

1241
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: Well that always holds true. You know, there's not enough

1242
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,239
Greece in this world. But like I said, Brian, thanks

1243
01:24:49,279 --> 01:24:51,840
again so much for your time. I really do appreciate it,

1244
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:53,319
and I hope you have a great night.

1245
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I had fun.

1246
01:24:56,279 --> 01:25:01,359
Speaker 2: Well I goes two ways. Thanks. We'll see you all right.

1247
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:03,600
That's another one in the books. Before I get out

1248
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,600
of I just want to remind you if you've had a

1249
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,000
Dogman encounter and would like to speak with me about

1250
01:25:08,039 --> 01:25:11,560
it because you need help it's traumatized you, or if

1251
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,720
you want to be a guest on the show, please

1252
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,399
go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If

1253
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,720
you do that, then I'll be more than happy to

1254
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:23,239
reach out to you and schedule a film consultation with you,

1255
01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:27,560
and also too thanks again so much for listening, of course,

1256
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,359
I really do appreciate it. Have a great night.