Speaker 1: When your own government betrays you and still betrays you,
Speaker 1: and every congressman betrays you. Say what you saw, you
Speaker 1: really didn't see what you heard, You really didn't hurt here.
Speaker 1: Uh that's pretty that's pretty bad. They're calling us liars
Speaker 1: and Nazis, ands you haters our own congress. You know,
Speaker 1: i'd like to I'll tell you what. I'd like to
Speaker 1: call out Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro with this conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory stuff. If you think it's a conspiracy, debate me
Speaker 1: live on TV. I'd be glad to debate you, and
Speaker 1: my shipmates to be there too if you want them
Speaker 1: debate us if you think it's conspiracy theory or do
Speaker 1: you have the courage? I don't think you got the courage.
Speaker 1: I think you're cowards.
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but it seems as if
Speaker 2: you've probably had an opportunity to tell your story to
Speaker 2: the largest audience that you ever have over the past week.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious what has the reaction felt like to you,
Speaker 2: To you guys, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well thanks Clint h.
Speaker 4: First of all, having us on you know, uh, real
Speaker 4: privilege to get the word out and in the I
Speaker 4: can't I can't tell you the expression of love from
Speaker 4: people that watch that interview with Cantas and God bless her,
Speaker 4: God bless her for giving us a chance to tell
Speaker 4: our story. But it's been overwhelming and we're getting donations
Speaker 4: and you know again, we always need more donations for
Speaker 4: our cost to make sure we can get this done.
Speaker 4: And if I may, I'd like to say, go to
Speaker 4: Ussliberty Veterans dot org and donate. Go to the page,
Speaker 4: and you know you can buy shirts, hats, memorabilia, coins,
Speaker 4: challenge coins. It's something to something to be hold.
Speaker 2: To and and what what does that accomplish? Just so
Speaker 2: that the audience understands, like, what are you what are
Speaker 2: you attempting to achieve?
Speaker 3: And I addressed that, well, sure, go for it more.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, for fifty eight years, coming this junior eighth,
Speaker 5: we have been attempting I'll say that, Phil more than
Speaker 5: anybody else, probably to get the truth still and just
Speaker 5: to have the story put out there and still covered
Speaker 5: up today. Last week was our entry into the global
Speaker 5: world through Candae Owens. But our plight has always been
Speaker 5: to try to raise funds and they have been minimal,
Speaker 5: to say the least, until last week and our objective
Speaker 5: is to raise funds to fight legally in any way
Speaker 5: we can to get a congressional investigation for our ship
Speaker 5: because of the cover up. Phil, you may want to
Speaker 5: add to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's moan. I have been doing this for a
Speaker 4: long time. It's a lifelong dream to finally have the
Speaker 4: USS Liberty on the map as it should have been
Speaker 4: in sixty seven. But now here we are almost fifty
Speaker 4: eight years later, and we are on the map, and
Speaker 4: we're gonna keep on going. We're full speed ahead now
Speaker 4: like a runaway train and there's no stopping it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: We got over four million views with Canvas Interview and Climbing.
Speaker 4: We're getting donations and we always going to use donations,
Speaker 4: so help us out. We need the money, as most said,
Speaker 4: for many reasons. We do travel, we go different places,
Speaker 4: speaking engagements and things like this, and it's going to
Speaker 4: only increase with podcasts like yours, Clint helping us out here.
Speaker 4: So again, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely well, all right, So for those that have
Speaker 2: not seen the Candice Owens interview, at this point, I
Speaker 2: would like to do kind of the the one on
Speaker 2: one of this thing. You know what what happened on
Speaker 2: that day. You know, most people have heard from Philsol
Speaker 2: start with with with mo Well what was what was
Speaker 2: your experience like on that day?
Speaker 5: Well, if anybody's heard the other candas owans thing, Phil
Speaker 5: made it very clear that our ship was divided in half,
Speaker 5: so to speak, that we had a ship's crew and
Speaker 5: we had a communications crew on the ship which I
Speaker 5: was part of in ship and Phil was part of
Speaker 5: the ship's crew there to keep the ship running and
Speaker 5: all that. But in our world we were known as
Speaker 5: the spies. We were an intercept operate ship out there
Speaker 5: of high technology and so forth that was intercepting information
Speaker 5: that we could out there to keep up with things.
Speaker 5: So it was a part of us getting called into
Speaker 5: the Sana Peninsula when we were off the coast of
Speaker 5: Africa the week of June sixth or fifth or something
Speaker 5: like that, and we were esteemed our way to there,
Speaker 5: not knowing exactly what was going on. Phil really didn't
Speaker 5: know what was going on because his crew didn't have
Speaker 5: any access and I'll let him talk about that to
Speaker 5: our secret stuff we were doing. We only knew ourselves
Speaker 5: that we were going into possibly harm's way because there
Speaker 5: was a sixth Day War we didn't know what that meant. Okay,
Speaker 5: we were just young kids, and all of a sudden
Speaker 5: we're taken into this area of a gorgeous landscape. We
Speaker 5: did see bombs going off on the over there, because
Speaker 5: we knew there was a war going on, but we
Speaker 5: were in international waters and we were sunbathing, and we
Speaker 5: were absolutely relaxed because I was up on the top
Speaker 5: of the ship that morning in a basket we called
Speaker 5: trust Coom, very very secret basket to being information to
Speaker 5: NSA and to the Naval Security Group off the Moon
Speaker 5: each month. And we looked up. Me and another guy
Speaker 5: were up there, a shipmate, and four or five times
Speaker 5: these boxcar planes circled us with cameras hanging out the bottom,
Speaker 5: people waving with the Star of David on those planes.
Speaker 5: So we thought those planes were our friends, obviously, and
Speaker 5: and but what was happening is they were photographing every
Speaker 5: single piece of that ship down to a science, so
Speaker 5: when they attacked us, they knew exactly what to hit precisely,
Speaker 5: and in two straits of their jets, unmarked French phantom
Speaker 5: jets looking like they looked like delta wing MiGs by design,
Speaker 5: so we would think it was the Arabs and the attack.
Speaker 5: I'll let Peel talk about that a little more because
Speaker 5: he was up there to witness that. But my crew
Speaker 5: were the people who were up top sides, so unbetting
Speaker 5: and doing all these things at that time. And we
Speaker 5: had to go to our general stations when the attack started,
Speaker 5: and that's down underwater into our secret spaces where we
Speaker 5: did our intelligence work. And then Phil's crew was up
Speaker 5: on the ship and other other stats. You had duty
Speaker 5: stations up there were up there trying to secure the ship,
Speaker 5: save lives and do all that. So just a point
Speaker 5: on this, but yet we didn't know who was attacking
Speaker 5: us at that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a brief interjection because I do want to
Speaker 2: hear Phil's experience top side. But Mo, you said that
Speaker 2: you guys were essentially spying. What what I've seen as
Speaker 2: some of the responses as to why this attack happened
Speaker 2: was that they they didn't know fu friend or foe.
Speaker 2: But then there was also some rumors that, well, you
Speaker 2: were spying on them and that's why they attacked. Can
Speaker 2: you can you clarify? I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: you know, allowed to be discussed, but.
Speaker 5: You know, after fifty eight years of being covered up
Speaker 5: and being washed out as the government has put us,
Speaker 5: I feel compelled to tell the story. And we were
Speaker 5: intercepting anything, So what does that mean that if there
Speaker 5: was something to be intercepted, we were doing that. So yes,
Speaker 5: they certainly could have thought we were trying to see
Speaker 5: who started the war, who started that sixth day war,
Speaker 5: what was going on. But it gets much deeper than
Speaker 5: that as the story progresses, because we know that possibly
Speaker 5: our government was involved in it, and they truly it
Speaker 5: was just so malicious and so brutal that day of killing.
Speaker 5: And I say, I don't want to take away Phil's story,
Speaker 5: but there are two separate sites because we worked in
Speaker 5: spaces underwater and the attack was going on on top side.
Speaker 5: And then after twenty twenty five minutes, silence came on
Speaker 5: and the captain said, prepared for torpedo attack. And I
Speaker 5: looked at my buddy and I says, so, how in
Speaker 5: the hell do we prepare for a torpedo attack? Nobody
Speaker 5: taught us that in school, and we joined or whatever.
Speaker 5: And I looked at R and saw a table and
Speaker 5: I said, Jimmy, this just lay down around that table
Speaker 5: on the floor and wrap our arms around the table
Speaker 5: leg and see what happens. And the explosion the torpedo
Speaker 5: hit and blew a hole thirty nine feet wide and
Speaker 5: twenty four feet high in the side of our ship.
Speaker 5: Only because it went off on impact, it pierced the metal.
Speaker 5: It's supposed to pierce come in, imploade, explode and blow
Speaker 5: the ship in half. But it hit a beam and
Speaker 5: went off on impact. It still made the hole that large,
Speaker 5: but it saved the ship. So twenty five of us
Speaker 5: died in that room, but two hundred and ninety the
Speaker 5: rest except the thirty four killed Sir or there would
Speaker 5: have been no survivors of two hundred and ninety four people.
Speaker 2: Wow, So that that was the difference between one hundred
Speaker 2: percent loss of life and you know whatever, ten percent.
Speaker 5: A beam on the entrance of the torpedo piercing inn
Speaker 5: because when you see pictures, you'll see a little round hole. Well,
Speaker 5: come bring the water down.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: That is thirty nine feet wide and twenty four feet
Speaker 5: died and it came and impacted directly into the research
Speaker 5: spaces where we were. So there was the side of
Speaker 5: the ship, a little thin metal wall, ten wall, a ladder,
Speaker 5: a ten wall, and then the spaces on the other side,
Speaker 5: and with the linguists worked on one side, and the
Speaker 5: tech teletype guys and whatever, the Morse code guys all
Speaker 5: worked on the other side.
Speaker 2: Man, I've got this.
Speaker 5: When the torpedo hit, it took out everything inside the
Speaker 5: ship but that ladder, and we were underwater, black smoke,
Speaker 5: everything you got. You got your head up and you
Speaker 5: had about a one foot space between you and the
Speaker 5: ceiling to try to breathe, okay, with all the pipes
Speaker 5: up there and all that, And somehow we found that
Speaker 5: ladder and got out the scuttle hole there and there
Speaker 5: were about forty of us down there, would you agree
Speaker 5: with that, Phil, and twenty five died. We only identified
Speaker 5: one of those twenty five, and we went back in
Speaker 5: to clean them up, because the cleanup's another big part
Speaker 5: of the story. But I don't want to get too
Speaker 5: far ahead of as we're talking in the attack right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, I appreciate that, Mo. That was fascinating,
Speaker 2: and I have a ton of follow up questions, but
Speaker 2: I do want to bring Fill in and and see
Speaker 2: what his experience was. So you were top side, phill
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yes? I was.
Speaker 4: I was in the forms of pair party Dammag's control
Speaker 4: assistant on Stine Leader that that was my g GQ station.
Speaker 4: But I do want to go back a little bit
Speaker 4: about the spooks, the spies. I've seen some things on
Speaker 4: acts in other places that these guys were giving information
Speaker 4: to the Arabs. That's the most absurd thing I could
Speaker 4: ever ever imagine. These guys, those spies were the highies,
Speaker 4: highly trained NSA spies, and they would never, never, never.
Speaker 3: Do anything like that.
Speaker 4: That would be treason. They wouldn't do that. So all
Speaker 4: that speculation is frankly bullshit. And another thing about the
Speaker 4: crew below, including the engine room, these men did not
Speaker 4: leave their duty stations, Clint. They didn't leave the ship
Speaker 4: like a bunch of rats. They stayed there at their
Speaker 4: duty station as they were ordered to do, and they
Speaker 4: paid dearly with their lives. But getting back upon deck,
Speaker 4: as most said, we could see that we could see
Speaker 4: the reconnaissance aircraft very visible, Star David, they dipped their wings.
Speaker 4: Everything was very friendly. We had not a worry in
Speaker 4: the world, and all of a sudden the attack began
Speaker 4: about two o'clock in the last of twenty five thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: So well, and how does the attack begin. Is it
Speaker 2: strafing runs?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so strafing runs by Mysster and Mirage jets. They
Speaker 4: dropped napalm on the on the ship and this went
Speaker 4: on for twenty five minutes. Think think about just think
Speaker 4: about just the air attack for twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's remarkable how they survived. Yeah, it's it's amazing
Speaker 2: that anybody survived, honestly. So the the strafing runs, how
Speaker 2: many how many planes are participating in that two two?
Speaker 2: And then is it the same planes that dropped the napalm?
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, so those planes came in. I was top side.
Speaker 5: I was near a guy named Spice, the or male
Speaker 5: person who ended up getting blown to pieces with a
Speaker 5: direct missile. But when it happened, and of course looked
Speaker 5: up and saw the jets coming over. But the first
Speaker 5: thing they did is they hit the plane with anti
Speaker 5: personnel weapons so they could kill everybody up or maim
Speaker 5: or whatever wound everybody up on top out on board
Speaker 5: the ship outside there, and they did a big job
Speaker 5: of that. But then since everybody went indoors okay, into
Speaker 5: the spaces, then they opened up with their runs with
Speaker 5: the armored piercing. So then the rockets would come through
Speaker 5: the middle and the shrapnel would blow people to pieces
Speaker 5: and whatever. So I'm sure Phil experienced that, and he's
Speaker 5: got replicas of some of the holes in the ship.
Speaker 5: But I mean there were four or five inches wide,
Speaker 5: and so they were their intent was to eliminate all
Speaker 5: life on that ship. That ship was never supposed to
Speaker 5: get a message out. When I said those Wisconsints photograph
Speaker 5: the ship, they came on their straits. Not only did
Speaker 5: they hit those anti personnel weapons to kill people, they
Speaker 5: hit every antenna on the mask. There's wires coming all
Speaker 5: down and all these antenna's out on the mask. They
Speaker 5: hit the wires coming down the mast, okay, to make
Speaker 5: sure no antenna's worked, and they shut us down completely.
Speaker 5: But one of our radiomen, Phil Harbardier, had found a
Speaker 5: cable and Phil can echo this too, but he he
Speaker 5: did a hard wire and Phil finished that story right
Speaker 5: there of what he said.
Speaker 4: And all that right, Terry Halbardier did get the long
Speaker 4: wire up to one tuning antenna he had taken offline.
Speaker 4: For some reason, it didn't work, but he got it going,
Speaker 4: and furilessly, through all odds he got it going and Rockstar,
Speaker 4: Rockstar under attacked by no jet wrap help help us.
Speaker 4: And this went out over and over, and I'm sure
Speaker 4: you watch a Ganders interview. It went that message is
Speaker 4: picked up as far as way as Vietnam. The six
Speaker 4: feet of fleet picked it up, and who else I
Speaker 4: don't know. I know in Turkey, they picked it up
Speaker 4: in other places, so probably around the world. Clint is
Speaker 4: where it was picked up. And our government refused to
Speaker 4: help us.
Speaker 5: In the next step though, that one message going out,
Speaker 5: we did get one message back, and that was not
Speaker 5: supposed to happen, So that means that went out around
Speaker 5: the world, like Phil said, and our message back said
Speaker 5: help is on the way. Okay. That single thing right
Speaker 5: there gives you some relief that somebody's coming to help
Speaker 5: you out. And that never happened until the next day.
Speaker 5: And because of that, when Israel picked up that message,
Speaker 5: they picked it up that help us on the way.
Speaker 5: I could just hear him saying, oh ship, we've been caught.
Speaker 5: We've been caught. We got a message out and we
Speaker 5: better called DC president, you know, Johnson or whatever. Time.
Speaker 5: We screwed up and we hit one of their ships,
Speaker 5: and so they called the jets back and then I
Speaker 5: was on the ship of Admiral Martin, the commandant of
Speaker 5: the sixth Fleet, on the Little Rock, because the America
Speaker 5: was full of injured people. So five of us went
Speaker 5: on there and the admiral came into our space and
Speaker 5: said it was telling us what happened, and he said,
Speaker 5: I want you to know, I loaded four planes off
Speaker 5: the America with nuclear warheads on him directed straight to Cairo.
Speaker 5: Now he didn't have the power to pull the trigger,
Speaker 5: but they were in the air. But then when when
Speaker 5: they got the message help is on the way and
Speaker 5: they saw we got that, they turned it all off
Speaker 5: because they knew they'd been caught. And Israel calls in
Speaker 5: and apologizes for for doing this.
Speaker 2: But actually, I'm sorry, I've got I've got enerject because
Speaker 2: I did not follow that. I mean, that's such a
Speaker 2: such an amazing claim. You're saying nukes were en route
Speaker 2: to where because of who? And then they we thought
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 5: An Gypt attacktin Us. We didn't know it was Israel Attackinus.
Speaker 5: We thought it was the Arabs. Okay, yep, those planes
Speaker 5: were loaded and they couldn't land back on aircraft here.
Speaker 5: They had to go to uh to Athens, Greece, to
Speaker 5: land or crete somewhere there h to land with nuclear
Speaker 5: warheads on. But uh uh, that's how close. And Phil
Speaker 5: tell him about the Russians, what they were getting ready
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, just just one more follow up question. So
Speaker 2: you you're saying that the planes from your ship were
Speaker 2: armed with nuclear warheads and.
Speaker 5: Aircraft the uh the the Saratoga Aircraft Carrier launched planes
Speaker 5: to come and help us with conventional weapons, gotcha. And
Speaker 5: then the America launched four jets with nuclear warheads in
Speaker 5: case something had happened toward Cairo.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So so at the time everybody's in the dark, you're
Speaker 2: assuming it's the Egyptians that are doing it. Infect it's
Speaker 2: thee Israelis. Now the Israelis, as you said, they acknowledged
Speaker 2: the mistake at well, actually I don't want to interject.
Speaker 2: So what was Phil gonna say about Russians?
Speaker 4: Let me first say this that the United States you've
Speaker 4: heard a sack before, they were on their way, even
Speaker 4: before we got attacked, they were on their way to Cairo.
Speaker 4: Along with what both said about the nuclear planes, configured
Speaker 4: planes that were going that way.
Speaker 3: So it was a.
Speaker 4: It was a pre planned attack, not only in this government,
Speaker 4: but the but the design of state of Israel to
Speaker 4: sink our ship and blame it on the Arabs.
Speaker 3: Now what was the other question? I'm sorry, clan.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's that's I mean, that's the meat of
Speaker 2: this really is that you know the what it appears
Speaker 2: to be, and if you're correct that in fact those
Speaker 2: those planes were en route to Cairo, that this is
Speaker 2: a false flag attack perpetrated by the Israelis with the
Speaker 2: knowledge of the American government, with the intention of giving
Speaker 2: casaspelli for US to intervene on behalf of the Israelis,
Speaker 2: even though we are losing American troops as a as
Speaker 2: a direct consequence of the actions of the Israelis. Is
Speaker 2: that correct?
Speaker 3: I would say, that's correct, Yes, yes, Can I.
Speaker 5: Explain the USS liberty incident? Sure?
Speaker 6: The US liberty incident is very frequently used by anti Semites.
Speaker 6: You suggest that Israel deliberately targets American ships and then
Speaker 6: has no penalty. So both American naval records and Israeli
Speaker 6: Air Force records suggest that there was a case of
Speaker 6: mistaken identity where in US is liberty was in the
Speaker 6: Mediterranean in a place they were not supposed to be.
Speaker 6: Israel thought that it was an Egyptian ship and shot it.
Speaker 6: That's that's the actual full story.
Speaker 2: That's fucking crazy, guys. I mean like, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: such an unbelievable story. And obviously I do I do
Speaker 2: lean in your direction. I tend to believe that everything
Speaker 2: that you're saying.
Speaker 5: We came within six minutes of a potential nuclear holocaust. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I was saying to feel about there. Phil said
Speaker 5: there was a Russian submarine in the area that was
Speaker 5: prepared to wipe out Israel had this broken loose.
Speaker 2: So wow, so we were going to strike Egypt. The
Speaker 2: Russians were going to strike Israel.
Speaker 5: Well I can't say that sure, but Phil has that information.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, well yeah, the uh uh the commander of
Speaker 4: the sub uh, he was be lost. And I might
Speaker 4: add there were two other submarines around too, the amber
Speaker 4: jack and the Jackson, but uh they were they were
Speaker 4: they had to get a reflected shield or something they
Speaker 4: could they could hit. And it was, uh the dome,
Speaker 4: the Golden Dome there and uh that was that was it,
Speaker 4: and it was it came close. By the grace of God,
Speaker 4: we didn't think and you know, with five torpedoes coming
Speaker 4: at you and all the other damage they did, and
Speaker 4: then for that torpedo could to hit that I beam. Uh,
Speaker 4: it was not by accident. It was all by the
Speaker 4: grace of God in my view. Uh, that kept us
Speaker 4: alive for moments like this to tell the truth of
Speaker 4: even at our old age. I mean, hey, I'm only
Speaker 4: seventy I'll be seventy eight tomorrow. I think most forty
Speaker 4: four now.
Speaker 3: But you look a.
Speaker 2: Most aging slurer. Yeah, no, this is a I mean,
Speaker 2: this story, this story is astonishing, honestly, and I mean
Speaker 2: just to prove it out, because I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people in the audience will be completely caught off
Speaker 2: guard by the claim, and many will just immediately dismiss this.
Speaker 2: What evidence do you have, aside from your own personal experience,
Speaker 2: is to demonstrate that this is in fact true, that
Speaker 2: we were, that this was a joint operation by the
Speaker 2: American government to essentially execute American troops just to justify
Speaker 2: our engagement in a war. How can we prove that
Speaker 2: to my audience.
Speaker 4: Well, you can prove it by going to the more report.
Speaker 4: Almas Moore a fair support of ours, Admiral Arley Burke,
Speaker 4: General Ray Davis a Medal of Bond recipient. He had
Speaker 4: a crew of dedicated people to get the truth out,
Speaker 4: to do the more report now Admiral Moore. Admiral Moore
Speaker 4: was a very decorated, highly decorated Navy pilot. He was
Speaker 4: the only admiral to serve in the Southern and the
Speaker 4: Pacific fleets, not at the same time, but he was
Speaker 4: a supreme commander of both of them. Then he rose
Speaker 4: to the rank of four star admiral and became Chairman
Speaker 4: of the Chiefs not once but twice. And he said
Speaker 4: to everybody, I will never ever ever believe the excuse
Speaker 4: by the Israelis or America LBJ that it was a
Speaker 4: mistaken identity. And he has urged the Congress over and
Speaker 4: over again to investigate the USS liberty. But the bought
Speaker 4: and paid for a congressman and Congress in sixty seven
Speaker 4: and now won't touch this with a ten foot poll
Speaker 4: because they get elected with a PAC money. Just check
Speaker 4: the congressman out. I have how many up and take
Speaker 4: a PAC money. They're a foreign government. They should be
Speaker 4: listed as a foreign government. You cannot take money from
Speaker 4: a foreign government.
Speaker 3: For an election. That's influenced Padley and it's very clear. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, their argument is that it's American Israeli, so it's
Speaker 2: you know, for Israelis that live in America, it's their interest.
Speaker 2: But I have to agree. I think that the influence
Speaker 2: of you know, any foreign government or you know, having
Speaker 2: a loyalty to another nation above your own is very concerning,
Speaker 2: particularly when we are you know, Israel is in a
Speaker 2: multitude of wars right now, and the best I can tell,
Speaker 2: we're funding a huge percentage of it, and we seem
Speaker 2: to be one of the few countries on Earth that
Speaker 2: is still not willing to question any of their actions
Speaker 2: no matter what. And it makes you go, well, why
Speaker 2: why why are we the only nation on earth that
Speaker 2: still believes that? And then if you if you add
Speaker 2: in this dynamic where as you, if you guys are correct,
Speaker 2: which I tend to believe you are, that in fact,
Speaker 2: it was our government working along with the Israelis to
Speaker 2: attack you guys, well, then that is I don't know
Speaker 2: what else to call it aside from treason? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: I mean to attack your own men to the benefit
Speaker 2: of a of a different country, Like what would you
Speaker 2: guys call it?
Speaker 5: We agree, and I can tell you that because probably
Speaker 5: fill and I've been together and maybe getting a little
Speaker 5: side tracked with some things. But we have Lyndon Johnson
Speaker 5: on tape saying, uh, Lett s ob sink, I will
Speaker 5: not jeopardize our relationship, my relationship with Israel. And you
Speaker 5: know that. And there again, nobody knew who was attacking us,
Speaker 5: So how did he know it was his? Nobody had
Speaker 5: identified anything. And he says, I will not jeopardisma. So
Speaker 5: we know he and Mac and Meer are in on
Speaker 5: the deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they knew. And I mean what what's always weird
Speaker 2: to me is it seems as if they can propagandize
Speaker 2: us in a different way, like why why would they
Speaker 2: have to kill dozens of Americans. It's just it just
Speaker 2: seemed just lie to us about something else. Don't kill
Speaker 2: our guys, Like what are you? What the fuck are
Speaker 2: you people doing? It's insane? I mean, how how have
Speaker 2: you guys dealt with this? As I know this is
Speaker 2: a long time ago, but I from my own experience
Speaker 2: of all of my friends that joined the military, they
Speaker 2: go in there, you know, bright eyed, bushytailed their they're patriotic,
Speaker 2: red white and blue all day, and and they would
Speaker 2: to have this realization would just be devastating emotionally for them.
Speaker 2: How have you guys handled this? You know, these revelations,
Speaker 2: I'd like to ask talk to you.
Speaker 5: I'd like to ask Phil to talk to you about
Speaker 5: the admirals that came on the ship, and that will
Speaker 5: kind of set the stage. It told us how please go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, several days out at sea after the attack, I
Speaker 4: think it was two days, Admiral Moore, excuse me, Admiral
Speaker 4: Isaac Kidd and his jag officer Ward Boston came aboard
Speaker 4: the ship and he interviewed all the people over there.
Speaker 4: It was pretty much a skeleton crew at that time
Speaker 4: because they they airlifted all the wounded off and as
Speaker 4: most said, he went to the what ship was it?
Speaker 3: More?
Speaker 4: You went to Little Rock and most of right, Little
Speaker 4: Rock and most of them went to USS America where
Speaker 4: they were sent off to Germany or wherever for more
Speaker 4: definitive care. But Admiral Kid got us in different groups
Speaker 4: in orders never to say anything about it, with many
Speaker 4: penalties finds prisoner worse. We all knew what worse meant,
Speaker 4: because he meant business and he was very kind to us, Clint,
Speaker 4: He was very very kind to begin with, took coffee
Speaker 4: stars and says, hey, I'm just like your dad, temporary
Speaker 4: everything he saw and I did. I said, well, how
Speaker 4: come help and everything to come to us? And they
Speaker 4: shot the life rafts up. They killed all my buddies
Speaker 4: on the on the deck or shot them up. And
Speaker 4: look at the.
Speaker 3: Men in the hole that were dead.
Speaker 4: We didn't know how many, how many, how many cts
Speaker 4: were down there dead? Thank god, there was only twenty five.
Speaker 4: And I really, I really hate to say that only
Speaker 4: twenty five. I mean, these are young, beautiful, great patriots,
Speaker 4: men doing their duty for their country. And for them
Speaker 4: to get cut down like that when they could have
Speaker 4: been rest from that. If Johnson want to let the
Speaker 4: aircraft come to us, and if you haven't seen sacrifice
Speaker 4: from Liberty, you must see it's on rumble sacrifice in Liberty.
Speaker 4: And uh there's a pilot on there. His name escapes
Speaker 4: him right now, but he says he was on route
Speaker 4: to us Flint. And he says, well, we're up here,
Speaker 4: we're up here, you know, we'd like to go see
Speaker 4: how they're doing. How they're doing. He says, now, just
Speaker 4: turn around and come to base. If they allowed those
Speaker 4: pilots to get to us. Twenty five American souls would
Speaker 4: still be alive today and they were sacrificed. Well, we
Speaker 4: were all sacrificed. But as I said before, by the
Speaker 4: grace of God, we're here now to tell the truth.
Speaker 3: And it's spent a long time coming.
Speaker 2: So how many people died during the attack, and then
Speaker 2: you're saying twenty five additional died because of the delay
Speaker 2: in care?
Speaker 5: No, No, that the attack happened all in a two
Speaker 5: hour span or hour and a half span, but there
Speaker 5: was a law in between. But the torpedo hit during
Speaker 5: the attack. Okay, So all the thirty four deaths all
Speaker 5: happened within that one hour, one and a half hour
Speaker 5: period of time. In all, one hundred and seventy four
Speaker 5: men were wounded. Ye like Phil myself. When I got
Speaker 5: out of the hole, there was a helicopter hanging over
Speaker 5: the ship with machine guns pointed at us. The whole
Speaker 5: bridge was on fire from the napalm, and the captain's
Speaker 5: leaning over the bridge up up top asking for people
Speaker 5: to come up and help put out the fires. And
Speaker 5: this helicopter what they throw a bag with an origin
Speaker 5: in it, and it says, do you have any do
Speaker 5: you have any casualties, and the captain flips from the
Speaker 5: bird and tells them to go. But we kind of
Speaker 5: now know that Mushi Diane, the actual head of the
Speaker 5: of the Israeli Defense Forces, the guy with the patch
Speaker 5: on his eye, he was on that helicopter. No way,
Speaker 5: Yeah he was.
Speaker 2: Diane was on the fucking helicopter as you guys are burning.
Speaker 5: I got that information probably in the last three months.
Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, that he was witnessing this. And uh, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I mean, this is infuriating. I know this happened
Speaker 2: to you, so I can't even imagine the emotion that
Speaker 2: you're dealing with. But just imagine from from a regular
Speaker 2: you know, American born in the eighties to hear this,
Speaker 2: I mean that, like, this is unfucking believable. Gentlemen, How
Speaker 2: how how has this? How has this been kept a
Speaker 2: secret for this long? It just seems impossible. I know it.
Speaker 2: I know it's a cover up, but like, where where
Speaker 2: is the fourth estate? Where is the investigative journalist to
Speaker 2: to really iron this case out? Where are the allies?
Speaker 2: I mean, are there any There's no politics that are
Speaker 2: really going to bat for you guys. Nobody wants to
Speaker 2: step up.
Speaker 3: There has there has been in the past.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know Traffickant, McCluskey, and and and several others.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just.
Speaker 4: The the blackout is so complete and it's still blacked out,
Speaker 4: very very complete. But we're we're kind of zipping that
Speaker 4: thread away. But uh, the media. Who owns all the media?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Who owns all the Congress? Ah, it is very very
Speaker 4: hard to get anything done without the media. Now what
Speaker 4: we have now with people like you Clinton, others, many
Speaker 4: great people doing podcasts. Uh, that's where the truth is
Speaker 4: coming out. Without the podcast, we'd be dead in the water.
Speaker 4: We wouldn't have a shot. Yeah, But with your guys
Speaker 4: that's going on.
Speaker 2: Well, my hope is I'll post this on X Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan follows me. We'll see if if Joe picks this up,
Speaker 2: and if he if he has you guys on things
Speaker 2: changed dramatically, very quickly, because I think that's a tipping
Speaker 2: point at which you cannot ignore your story and people
Speaker 2: will have to give answers. But I want to go
Speaker 2: back to the emotional you know, tumult of the past
Speaker 2: fifty years. What after you talk to that admiral, he
Speaker 2: tells you to shut up, basically at the cost of,
Speaker 2: you know, tremendous consequences if you refuse. How do you
Speaker 2: respond immediately after? I mean, you just watched your friends die.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine it's easy to bite your tongue.
Speaker 4: Well, when he told us, it just wasn't. Maybe it
Speaker 4: was four or five other people, and you know, he
Speaker 4: could have probably done it over the one MC and
Speaker 4: talk to everybody at the same time, but it was
Speaker 4: they didn't want that. They intimidated, intimidated.
Speaker 3: All of us.
Speaker 4: So his his reaction to me was, do you understand
Speaker 4: what I'm telling you?
Speaker 3: I said, yes, Sir, I do.
Speaker 4: And I kind of kept that in me most of
Speaker 4: the years into about eighteen seventeen, eighteen years after the fact,
Speaker 4: and then there's a USS Liberty Veterans Association, and I
Speaker 4: found out about that through Stan White mastertiche stand white
Speaker 4: and greeting and being with my shipmates and hearing their
Speaker 4: stories and their heartache, the depression, the PTSD, the nightmares.
Speaker 4: That's bad enough, but when you get stabbed in the
Speaker 4: back by your own government and hire Israel to do it,
Speaker 4: the hit men, it's hey, Clint, It's just like I
Speaker 4: see somebody I see somebody kill you on the street,
Speaker 4: and I go straight to cops and I got this
Speaker 4: guy in custody. I takes been custody myself. They interrogate him,
Speaker 4: and then they let him go. He says, well, he
Speaker 4: sounds a little bit more credible than you. So that's
Speaker 4: exactly what's happening.
Speaker 3: What about what.
Speaker 2: About for you?
Speaker 4: Mo?
Speaker 2: How has this been emotionally? I know tough veterans don't
Speaker 2: like to talk about emotions, but this has to have
Speaker 2: been hard.
Speaker 5: It's been very emotional, and I going back into the gain.
Speaker 5: I can't thank you enough forgivness. It's warum today to
Speaker 5: let people know because in all these fifty some years,
Speaker 5: we were all threatened with our lives and so forth.
Speaker 5: So we were calm and silent for fifteen years. There
Speaker 5: was not a peep out of any human. I wouldn't
Speaker 5: go to the doctor even though I was I was injured.
Speaker 5: Since that point, I've had probably fourteen major operations, my
Speaker 5: most recent this summer at Cleveland Clinic on my back,
Speaker 5: and it took me fifty six years to get benefits
Speaker 5: from the government because they told me that I was lying,
Speaker 5: that the attack didn't even happen. They changed my DD
Speaker 5: two fourteen to take us as liberty, take everything out
Speaker 5: of there except the only thing they had to leave
Speaker 5: on there was the word purple heart. And you can't
Speaker 5: get a purple heart unless you've been in combat.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5: And so I mean there's been a tremendous amount of suffering.
Speaker 5: You're talking to Phil and I. We have some of
Speaker 5: our sanity left, but we live and breathe this. I'm
Speaker 5: very active with the Liberty Veterans Association as Phil as
Speaker 5: our president. And you can't imagine the suffering to some
Speaker 5: of our people. There's a video out called Sacrificing Liberty
Speaker 5: and it's a four hour documentary, so it's in forty
Speaker 5: diferent sections, so you can take your time watching it.
Speaker 5: But I will tell you Sacrificing Liberty is us telling
Speaker 5: our story. It's not other people telling about us. It's
Speaker 5: us telling our story. And you know, how long do
Speaker 5: we have in a few more minutes?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we've got another you know, fifteen or so.
Speaker 2: I just want to get you guys out on time
Speaker 2: for your next interviews because your your docket is full
Speaker 2: full right now.
Speaker 5: There's a lot after this attack that's the thing. There's
Speaker 5: so much after in other words, the next or that
Speaker 5: the next morning, and we had a law of seventeen
Speaker 5: hours with nobody there. Okay, we had one doctor on
Speaker 5: there that saved so many lives, and he was shot
Speaker 5: up and sewed himself up so he could work, and
Speaker 5: Phil spend time working with him on people. We all
Speaker 5: sat on the mess decks trying to save lives all night.
Speaker 5: I mean, holding a straw in the guy's mouth to
Speaker 5: keep the blood out of his throat and so forth,
Speaker 5: with two holes in his head. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 5: it's you can't imagine.
Speaker 2: No, I literally can't.
Speaker 5: I can't imagine twenty year old kids.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know, and everybody on there is is around
Speaker 2: that age for the most part. It's it's uh. I
Speaker 2: mean honestly, if I if I think about it too deeply,
Speaker 2: I'll get emotional. So I'm just gonna let you keep talking.
Speaker 5: Plus camp, none of us had a gun. If we'd
Speaker 5: have had sticks, we'd have thrown it at them, right, Okay, So, uh.
Speaker 2: So you're you're strictly there on a reconnaissance mission. You're
Speaker 2: not there to fight at all.
Speaker 5: No, there, we had four fitted calibers on our on
Speaker 5: our ship, wrapped and rushed in and wrapped you know right.
Speaker 2: Well, the reason I ask is because there's no there's
Speaker 2: no real possible justification for thinking that you are an
Speaker 2: imminent threat that deserves to be attacked. I mean, the
Speaker 2: the only explanation is that either A they think your
Speaker 2: surveillance and they attack you on their own volition, or
Speaker 2: B the American government and the Israelis allow this to
Speaker 2: happen as uh, you know a bottle.
Speaker 5: We were free from our general quarters practice and it
Speaker 5: is filled to you. Many people were sunbathing on the
Speaker 5: deck when the jets hit, so they think we were
Speaker 5: expecting anything. We expected protection from them. But I wanted
Speaker 5: to go to after the attack. I went on the
Speaker 5: little Rock. I was there for a few days, and
Speaker 5: then I flew back and this is where do you
Speaker 5: want to go? I said, I want to go back
Speaker 5: to my ship. I want to be with the ship.
Speaker 5: So the ship took eight days or six days to
Speaker 5: get to Malta. That's where we went into dry dock
Speaker 5: in Malta to empty all the water out of the ship,
Speaker 5: to clean it out, get all that so we could
Speaker 5: go get the bodies, the twenty five bodies that were
Speaker 5: still in there for eight days, slashing around that water decay,
Speaker 5: I mean, and all that. So then I went back
Speaker 5: to the ship and a guy ron Kuckle, was ahead
Speaker 5: of all the getting all the bodies out, and I
Speaker 5: got there just as they were doing a lot of that,
Speaker 5: and I helped with some of that. I didn't go
Speaker 5: down there, And actually they went down there in that
Speaker 5: hole and found everybody and tried to put pieces together.
Speaker 5: He called it like putting a puzzle together, to put
Speaker 5: these bodies together to tell who they were or whatever
Speaker 5: that were down there. The smell. Then I stayed in
Speaker 5: that hole because I had to see a top secret
Speaker 5: clearance so I could go in there. Phil still couldn't
Speaker 5: go in there, okay, And we went in there to
Speaker 5: clean up our machines and all that stuff or whatever
Speaker 5: or throw things out. And I will tell you, twenty
Speaker 5: five days into my thirty days in Malta, we were
Speaker 5: finding body parts and air conditioner events and still finding everything.
Speaker 5: I had my brother's class ring on and he didn't
Speaker 5: killed the year before.
Speaker 3: He was on.
Speaker 5: The Saratoggar aircraft carrier. But anyway, his ring blew off
Speaker 5: and then were that machinery, big big receivers, you know,
Speaker 5: to intercept with big boxes that were still intact. We'd
Speaker 5: open them up and we found eyeglasses. I found the
Speaker 5: class room inside of one of these machines or whatever.
Speaker 5: So the implosion had expanded everything or whatever. And then
Speaker 5: people's glasses and all their stuff flew off their bodies.
Speaker 5: And uh, the impact, the impact we took must have.
Speaker 5: It had to be just profound. But there again, had
Speaker 5: it not hit that beam, none of us would even
Speaker 5: had a clue.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, and and and if if that beam isn't
Speaker 2: hidden and you're you know, everybody's killed that you two
Speaker 2: aren't here to talk to me today, which is well.
Speaker 5: Pierces implodes and explodes.
Speaker 2: And then it sinks. Yeah, So what is your belief
Speaker 2: as to who they intended to blame? I assume the Egyptians, I.
Speaker 5: Would think so, wouldn't you, Phil?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I think that was the whole whole plan
Speaker 3: all along.
Speaker 4: Is to sink as fast and blame it on Nasser
Speaker 4: or the Arab neighbors. Because listen, Clint, Uh, this is
Speaker 4: nothing more than a land grab, and we stopped it.
Speaker 3: In fact, I believe in.
Speaker 4: My heart and soul, And I think probably the rest
Speaker 4: of my ship makes including Mo, believe that we saved
Speaker 4: not only our ship by the grace of God, but
Speaker 4: we saved humanity for millions and millions of people being
Speaker 4: blown to bits by a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's there's a really compelling argument that
Speaker 2: you're right as and and even more disturbing is that
Speaker 2: for that to have occurred, for humanity to have, you know,
Speaker 2: hung on the brink as as close as it was,
Speaker 2: and for no one to care or listen or believe you.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's us unreal. I mean it's unreal. Just
Speaker 2: for clarification, how many, how many survived? How many parish
Speaker 2: that day?
Speaker 5: Thirty four died?
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Phil, Yeah, Yeah, thirty thirty four were k
Speaker 4: i A and one hundred and seventy four wounded out
Speaker 4: of a crew of two hundred and ninety four souls,
Speaker 4: So either two thirds of the ship was either dead
Speaker 4: or wounded. And I'm talking Clinton. Some of these people
Speaker 4: were so badly wounded it was extremely hard not to
Speaker 4: break into tears every time you saw one of them.
Speaker 2: And it was just incredible how many, how many survivors
Speaker 2: are with us today? Do you guys.
Speaker 5: Know, I think there's less than one hundred. I know
Speaker 5: there's less than one hundred. We spend our months now,
Speaker 5: you know, burying our friends, our shipmates and honoring them
Speaker 5: with the wreath or whatever that we do. We try
Speaker 5: to keep up with everyone that passes, and we have
Speaker 5: a newsletter every every four months that we send out
Speaker 5: and keep our people, our supporters, you know, with that
Speaker 5: type of news and so forth. But it's I don't know.
Speaker 5: And we have some have never come last year. Every year,
Speaker 5: every reunion we have we try to have the last
Speaker 5: four years we've had him, somebody new comes right Phil,
Speaker 5: somebody a shipmate that we haven't heard from, comes new,
Speaker 5: and it's overwhelming for us because they have harbored up
Speaker 5: for fifty seven years, not having a clue what's going on,
Speaker 5: but harbored all this themselves. And we have a guy
Speaker 5: named Rodney. It came out three years ago or so,
Speaker 5: and he's a good friend of mine from West Virginia.
Speaker 5: But anyway, he he's blossomed, hadn't it. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 5: He's around his ship nice and he couldn't he couldn't
Speaker 5: talk about his wife, never even knew about the attack.
Speaker 5: He took it literally for that long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys are tough man. That's the that's the
Speaker 2: reality I would be. I would be broken by it,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: Well, uh, we were broken for a while and until
Speaker 4: we all got together. Then then all became We could
Speaker 4: tell each other the way we felt, and we weren't
Speaker 4: scorned or laughed at. And I might add, last year,
Speaker 4: if we dedicated a beautiful monument that was made here
Speaker 4: right in Colorado City Ridge, Colorado.
Speaker 3: Uh, all marble.
Speaker 4: It was made out of the same marvel that all
Speaker 4: all the monuments are made out in d C. But
Speaker 4: we wanted to have the Navy take it, the Naval Museum.
Speaker 4: They refused it, and then we asked now Security Agency
Speaker 4: to take it, and they refused it.
Speaker 3: Then we asked the.
Speaker 4: My goodness, it was I forget, but it was another
Speaker 4: another group, Oh, the Cold War Museum.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they refused it.
Speaker 4: And finally through Terry McFarland, he kept on working and working.
Speaker 4: He lives out on the East coast and knows a
Speaker 4: lot of people. But he got a hold of Post
Speaker 4: forty eighth nine in Tide Water, Virginia, and Nate gladly
Speaker 4: accepted it.
Speaker 3: And our own government didn't what yeah.
Speaker 4: VFW, excuse me, but our own government didn't want it,
Speaker 4: but the veterans of forty eighth nine did. And I
Speaker 4: might also say this is a very important and the
Speaker 4: American legion of our country. One of my shipmates in jail,
Speaker 4: Ernie Gallo and him went to the national Convention. The
Speaker 4: the LVA sentema check MOA know more about that, and
Speaker 4: they said they never received it. And uh Ernie said, well,
Speaker 4: I'll just pay with my credit card and I'll get
Speaker 4: it back from the LVA later. And they refuse. No,
Speaker 4: you're not going to get You're not going to get
Speaker 4: any booth there. And uh Glenn Torp, he's his card
Speaker 4: in Atlanta on a lady's breast and they are resting
Speaker 4: for assault put him in jail.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that's that's what we've been treated by our own
Speaker 4: veterans groups. Because when you get at that higher level,
Speaker 4: you know, the commanders and all these popas guys, they're
Speaker 4: nothing but politicians, that's all they are.
Speaker 3: You know, they want to go to Washington.
Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah. And you don't you don't you know,
Speaker 2: rise through the ranks if you actually think for yourself
Speaker 2: and speak out. I do have a question for you guys,
Speaker 2: because you know, as a libertarian, as a non interventionist,
Speaker 2: anti war guy, I'm I'm very red pilled on the
Speaker 2: narratives about that get us into wars. I would imagine
Speaker 2: you guys are equally, if not more red pilled than
Speaker 2: I am when it comes to the propaganda than the
Speaker 2: lies that lead us into wars, from the WMDs to
Speaker 2: the you know might on revolution in Ukraine and now
Speaker 2: how Putin has invade Ukraine unprovoked. I'm just curious what
Speaker 2: you're what both of your opinions are as to to
Speaker 2: what appears to be a continuation of the Cold War
Speaker 2: despite the fact that the USSR fell thirty three years ago.
Speaker 2: Do you guys feel as if we are on the
Speaker 2: brink of war with Russia? And what are your just
Speaker 2: general feelings about everything that's happening and how crazy it is,
Speaker 2: because from from my vantage point, it's unbelievable. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: sure you guys have a different you know, viewer.
Speaker 5: I agree with you one hundred percent on that, Clint,
Speaker 5: because it's it's just senseless the way things are going.
Speaker 5: But it comes into guys like Putin, who are driven
Speaker 5: by their I guess, their desire to control and have
Speaker 5: everything and be empowered to have all that and take
Speaker 5: over Yourukraine or whatever. I mean, a country that was
Speaker 5: split off from Russia and just wonderful people and for
Speaker 5: no reason. But I can tell you right now I'm
Speaker 5: feeling a little comfortable at this point because of the
Speaker 5: recent changes and the desire to be out of wars
Speaker 5: and have the power to negotiate and work your way
Speaker 5: through those things. And I feel with our new leadership,
Speaker 5: come then we have that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Well the way it is, yeah, this is actually leads
Speaker 2: into my next question for you, and I'll let fill
Speaker 2: up in here too. You know, from my vantage point,
Speaker 2: and it seems like you've already pointed out that the
Speaker 2: higher ups in the military like they're not going to
Speaker 2: speak out.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of hope for the Trump cabinet.
Speaker 2: I think that it is an improvement over the existing paradigm. However,
Speaker 2: it is still very much in Israel first type of cabinet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, Pete Haig Seth and these guys like even
Speaker 2: though he's you know, he's a real vet, you know,
Speaker 2: he's one of you guys as best I can tell.
Speaker 2: It still seems as if there's no chance that he
Speaker 2: will be in your corner when it comes to getting
Speaker 2: the truth out about what transpired with Israel. Is that
Speaker 2: your opinion, as will Fill?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it absolutely absolutely is my opinion, and that all
Speaker 4: stems from the power of Israel an a pac in
Speaker 4: our country. And listen, maybe these guys really believe that. Okay,
Speaker 4: I don't care what they believe about that, but they
Speaker 4: better believe the USS liberty veterans in our story betrayal,
Speaker 4: murder and cover ups. That's the most important thing. Our
Speaker 4: country comes first. I don't give a damn who attacked us.
Speaker 4: It could have been anybody, but if it was Israel,
Speaker 4: they got by with it probably. And I think we
Speaker 4: all know this collusion by this government LBJ and UH
Speaker 4: at the time, Levy Askell and every administration from from
Speaker 4: LBJ to Biden has not helped us. And I don't
Speaker 4: foresee him doing it now. But I called down on
Speaker 4: President Trump, and I'll do it again. I'll do it again.
Speaker 4: Is America really first or is Israel first? And I
Speaker 4: voted for Trump three times, don't get me wrong. And
Speaker 4: I understand you. You ran for president too, Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Vice president?
Speaker 4: But yes, vice president Okay, but anyway, yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 4: And as far as nuclear wars go, that this could
Speaker 4: happen in Europe, and it could also happen in the Least.
Speaker 4: In fact, I'm a little bit more worried about the
Speaker 4: Middle East that I am Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, under the Trump administration, given his cabinet dynamics,
Speaker 2: I think that Iran now becomes much more perilous than
Speaker 2: probably even Ukraine is. But you know, we got to
Speaker 2: get through the first to get to avoid the second.
Speaker 2: And at this point, you know, Russia and Ukraine are
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a bloodbath on a scale that
Speaker 2: is really not being talked about, honestly, and it's devastating
Speaker 2: to witness, and it's devastating to know that our State Department,
Speaker 2: you know, provokes so much of this. But you know,
Speaker 2: setting all that aside, I just wanted to get your
Speaker 2: opinion on that. But I just want to say to
Speaker 2: you gentlemen, because we're running out of time, you do
Speaker 2: have to go to another interview. I'm just so thrilled
Speaker 2: I got this opportunity to talk to you guys today.
Speaker 2: I think that the fact that You're still fighting for
Speaker 2: the truth and fighting for justice all these decades later.
Speaker 2: Speaks to your character. You're the type of men that
Speaker 2: make me proud to be an American when my government
Speaker 2: makes me not so proud to be one. So thank you, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: for your time, and I pray that you will see
Speaker 2: justice in your lifetimes. I really do thank you.
Speaker 5: Could I say that I'd like to repeat our website
Speaker 5: USS Liberty yes dot org Ussliberty dot org, and we
Speaker 5: certainly appreciate if any of your listeners would go to
Speaker 5: our site if they feel they want to donate their
Speaker 5: welcome to but they can learn a lot about our
Speaker 5: story there. We have video links on there to Sacrifice
Speaker 5: and Liberty. We have other documentaries that we've done, so
Speaker 5: there's a wealth of information on that site and we're
Speaker 5: just looking for the support of your listeners to hear
Speaker 5: our story, to want to learn more. They're free to
Speaker 5: reach out to us, and you know our names are
Speaker 5: there on the site and we will certainly do everything
Speaker 5: we can.
Speaker 2: Well, I have a feeling that your media circuit has
Speaker 2: only just begun. Hopefully I'm not I'm not mistaken. And
Speaker 2: there are some courageous people that are willing to let
Speaker 2: you tell your story that have large platforms. We'll we'll
Speaker 2: find out fill any closing comments.
Speaker 4: Yeah again, thanks Clint, and it's it was a pleasure
Speaker 4: to be on with mo I mean, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: we have two men here in different parts of the ship,
Speaker 4: but live the same story. We have it in our
Speaker 4: heart and we do this for our fallen shipmates, not
Speaker 4: just us. Those thirty four men were murdered, and I
Speaker 4: don't want to go down to history is dying in vain.
Speaker 3: They were murdered.
Speaker 4: And I might say this on every award that we got,
Speaker 4: there's not They have really nice words to say, but
Speaker 4: there's not one mention of who attacked us. So they
Speaker 4: even they even stop on the awards by saying who
Speaker 4: attacked us? And that is disgraceful of our American government
Speaker 4: then and now they should be changed to make sure
Speaker 4: our attackers are known and not covered up. We're like
Speaker 4: a ghost ship that got attacked. But thank you again. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we got to go through another interview, and thank you, MOA.
Speaker 4: I gotta go on, I think a little bit earlier
Speaker 4: than you and then you're on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look, absolutely, you guys are my favorite. I
Speaker 2: really I really I'm going to continue to beat this drum.
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about the consequences. The truth
Speaker 2: matters more than that. Justice matters, and let's hope that
Speaker 2: we can we can actually stop fighting for other nations
Speaker 2: and fight for our own one of these days. Anyways,
Speaker 2: Thank you, gentlemen, have a go. I just want to
Speaker 2: give my thanks to Mosheffer in Field Turney for being
Speaker 2: willing to continue to tell their story more than half
Speaker 2: a century later. I want to give my thanks to
Speaker 2: all of the USS liberty survivors and those that are
Speaker 2: are willing to continue to fight. I wish, I wish
Speaker 2: our government was on your side, gentlemen, and I my
Speaker 2: heart breaks for what you've had to deal with, and
Speaker 2: I just can't believe it. I can't belie. As you
Speaker 2: can tell, it was a very, very emotionally taxing interview
Speaker 2: to do. But I really really hope that this story
Speaker 2: continues to gain steam and hopefully that these gentlemen can
Speaker 2: receive justice and at least receive acknowledgment for their bravery,
Speaker 2: their heroism, and their I mean their heroism didn't cease
Speaker 2: on that day. It continued for fifty plus years afterwards,
Speaker 2: and you know, what they've been through is unimaginable, just flatly,
Speaker 2: it's just impossible. It's impossible to imagine what they've what
Speaker 2: they've gone through. So I'm blown away. I'm blown away.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys feel the same, and yeah, let's
Speaker 2: just keep keep fighting for those guys, I hope that
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Speaker 2: plock home to liberty and come. But yeah, it's on Hall.
Speaker 2: It's where did it come from?
Speaker 3: And where did he