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<v Speaker 1>When your own government betrays you and still betrays you,

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<v Speaker 1>and every congressman betrays you. Say what you saw, you

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't see what you heard, You really didn't hurt here.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh that's pretty that's pretty bad. They're calling us liars

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<v Speaker 1>and Nazis, ands you haters our own congress. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd like to I'll tell you what. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>call out Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro with this conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theory stuff. If you think it's a conspiracy, debate me

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<v Speaker 1>live on TV. I'd be glad to debate you, and

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<v Speaker 1>my shipmates to be there too if you want them

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<v Speaker 1>debate us if you think it's conspiracy theory or do

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<v Speaker 1>you have the courage? I don't think you got the courage.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're cowards.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know for sure, but it seems as if

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<v Speaker 2>you've probably had an opportunity to tell your story to

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<v Speaker 2>the largest audience that you ever have over the past week.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just curious what has the reaction felt like to you,

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<v Speaker 2>To you guys, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well thanks Clint h.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, having us on you know, uh, real

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<v Speaker 4>privilege to get the word out and in the I

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<v Speaker 4>can't I can't tell you the expression of love from

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<v Speaker 4>people that watch that interview with Cantas and God bless her,

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<v Speaker 4>God bless her for giving us a chance to tell

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<v Speaker 4>our story. But it's been overwhelming and we're getting donations

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<v Speaker 4>and you know again, we always need more donations for

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<v Speaker 4>our cost to make sure we can get this done.

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<v Speaker 4>And if I may, I'd like to say, go to

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<v Speaker 4>Ussliberty Veterans dot org and donate. Go to the page,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know you can buy shirts, hats, memorabilia, coins,

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<v Speaker 4>challenge coins. It's something to something to be hold.

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<v Speaker 2>To and and what what does that accomplish? Just so

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<v Speaker 2>that the audience understands, like, what are you what are

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<v Speaker 2>you attempting to achieve?

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<v Speaker 3>And I addressed that, well, sure, go for it more.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, for fifty eight years, coming this junior eighth,

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<v Speaker 5>we have been attempting I'll say that, Phil more than

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<v Speaker 5>anybody else, probably to get the truth still and just

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<v Speaker 5>to have the story put out there and still covered

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<v Speaker 5>up today. Last week was our entry into the global

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<v Speaker 5>world through Candae Owens. But our plight has always been

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<v Speaker 5>to try to raise funds and they have been minimal,

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<v Speaker 5>to say the least, until last week and our objective

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<v Speaker 5>is to raise funds to fight legally in any way

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<v Speaker 5>we can to get a congressional investigation for our ship

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<v Speaker 5>because of the cover up. Phil, you may want to

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<v Speaker 5>add to that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's moan. I have been doing this for a

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<v Speaker 4>long time. It's a lifelong dream to finally have the

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<v Speaker 4>USS Liberty on the map as it should have been

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<v Speaker 4>in sixty seven. But now here we are almost fifty

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<v Speaker 4>eight years later, and we are on the map, and

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna keep on going. We're full speed ahead now

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<v Speaker 4>like a runaway train and there's no stopping it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>We got over four million views with Canvas Interview and Climbing.

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<v Speaker 4>We're getting donations and we always going to use donations,

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<v Speaker 4>so help us out. We need the money, as most said,

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<v Speaker 4>for many reasons. We do travel, we go different places,

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<v Speaker 4>speaking engagements and things like this, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>only increase with podcasts like yours, Clint helping us out here.

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<v Speaker 4>So again, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely well, all right, So for those that have

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<v Speaker 2>not seen the Candice Owens interview, at this point, I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to do kind of the the one on

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<v Speaker 2>one of this thing. You know what what happened on

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<v Speaker 2>that day. You know, most people have heard from Philsol

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<v Speaker 2>start with with with mo Well what was what was

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<v Speaker 2>your experience like on that day?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, if anybody's heard the other candas owans thing, Phil

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<v Speaker 5>made it very clear that our ship was divided in half,

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<v Speaker 5>so to speak, that we had a ship's crew and

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<v Speaker 5>we had a communications crew on the ship which I

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<v Speaker 5>was part of in ship and Phil was part of

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<v Speaker 5>the ship's crew there to keep the ship running and

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<v Speaker 5>all that. But in our world we were known as

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<v Speaker 5>the spies. We were an intercept operate ship out there

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<v Speaker 5>of high technology and so forth that was intercepting information

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<v Speaker 5>that we could out there to keep up with things.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was a part of us getting called into

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<v Speaker 5>the Sana Peninsula when we were off the coast of

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<v Speaker 5>Africa the week of June sixth or fifth or something

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<v Speaker 5>like that, and we were esteemed our way to there,

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<v Speaker 5>not knowing exactly what was going on. Phil really didn't

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<v Speaker 5>know what was going on because his crew didn't have

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<v Speaker 5>any access and I'll let him talk about that to

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<v Speaker 5>our secret stuff we were doing. We only knew ourselves

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<v Speaker 5>that we were going into possibly harm's way because there

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<v Speaker 5>was a sixth Day War we didn't know what that meant. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>we were just young kids, and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 5>we're taken into this area of a gorgeous landscape. We

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<v Speaker 5>did see bombs going off on the over there, because

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<v Speaker 5>we knew there was a war going on, but we

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<v Speaker 5>were in international waters and we were sunbathing, and we

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<v Speaker 5>were absolutely relaxed because I was up on the top

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<v Speaker 5>of the ship that morning in a basket we called

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<v Speaker 5>trust Coom, very very secret basket to being information to

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<v Speaker 5>NSA and to the Naval Security Group off the Moon

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<v Speaker 5>each month. And we looked up. Me and another guy

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<v Speaker 5>were up there, a shipmate, and four or five times

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<v Speaker 5>these boxcar planes circled us with cameras hanging out the bottom,

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<v Speaker 5>people waving with the Star of David on those planes.

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<v Speaker 5>So we thought those planes were our friends, obviously, and

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<v Speaker 5>and but what was happening is they were photographing every

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<v Speaker 5>single piece of that ship down to a science, so

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<v Speaker 5>when they attacked us, they knew exactly what to hit precisely,

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<v Speaker 5>and in two straits of their jets, unmarked French phantom

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<v Speaker 5>jets looking like they looked like delta wing MiGs by design,

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<v Speaker 5>so we would think it was the Arabs and the attack.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll let Peel talk about that a little more because

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<v Speaker 5>he was up there to witness that. But my crew

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<v Speaker 5>were the people who were up top sides, so unbetting

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<v Speaker 5>and doing all these things at that time. And we

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<v Speaker 5>had to go to our general stations when the attack started,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's down underwater into our secret spaces where we

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<v Speaker 5>did our intelligence work. And then Phil's crew was up

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<v Speaker 5>on the ship and other other stats. You had duty

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<v Speaker 5>stations up there were up there trying to secure the ship,

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<v Speaker 5>save lives and do all that. So just a point

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<v Speaker 5>on this, but yet we didn't know who was attacking

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just a brief interjection because I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear Phil's experience top side. But Mo, you said that

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<v Speaker 2>you guys were essentially spying. What what I've seen as

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<v Speaker 2>some of the responses as to why this attack happened

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<v Speaker 2>was that they they didn't know fu friend or foe.

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<v Speaker 2>But then there was also some rumors that, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>were spying on them and that's why they attacked. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you can you clarify? I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, allowed to be discussed, but.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, after fifty eight years of being covered up

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<v Speaker 5>and being washed out as the government has put us,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel compelled to tell the story. And we were

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<v Speaker 5>intercepting anything, So what does that mean that if there

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<v Speaker 5>was something to be intercepted, we were doing that. So yes,

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<v Speaker 5>they certainly could have thought we were trying to see

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<v Speaker 5>who started the war, who started that sixth day war,

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<v Speaker 5>what was going on. But it gets much deeper than

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<v Speaker 5>that as the story progresses, because we know that possibly

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<v Speaker 5>our government was involved in it, and they truly it

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<v Speaker 5>was just so malicious and so brutal that day of killing.

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<v Speaker 5>And I say, I don't want to take away Phil's story,

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<v Speaker 5>but there are two separate sites because we worked in

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<v Speaker 5>spaces underwater and the attack was going on on top side.

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<v Speaker 5>And then after twenty twenty five minutes, silence came on

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<v Speaker 5>and the captain said, prepared for torpedo attack. And I

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<v Speaker 5>looked at my buddy and I says, so, how in

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<v Speaker 5>the hell do we prepare for a torpedo attack? Nobody

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<v Speaker 5>taught us that in school, and we joined or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>And I looked at R and saw a table and

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<v Speaker 5>I said, Jimmy, this just lay down around that table

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<v Speaker 5>on the floor and wrap our arms around the table

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<v Speaker 5>leg and see what happens. And the explosion the torpedo

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<v Speaker 5>hit and blew a hole thirty nine feet wide and

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<v Speaker 5>twenty four feet high in the side of our ship.

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<v Speaker 5>Only because it went off on impact, it pierced the metal.

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<v Speaker 5>It's supposed to pierce come in, imploade, explode and blow

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<v Speaker 5>the ship in half. But it hit a beam and

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<v Speaker 5>went off on impact. It still made the hole that large,

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<v Speaker 5>but it saved the ship. So twenty five of us

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<v Speaker 5>died in that room, but two hundred and ninety the

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<v Speaker 5>rest except the thirty four killed Sir or there would

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<v Speaker 5>have been no survivors of two hundred and ninety four people.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, So that that was the difference between one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent loss of life and you know whatever, ten percent.

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<v Speaker 5>A beam on the entrance of the torpedo piercing inn

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<v Speaker 5>because when you see pictures, you'll see a little round hole. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>come bring the water down.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>That is thirty nine feet wide and twenty four feet

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<v Speaker 5>died and it came and impacted directly into the research

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<v Speaker 5>spaces where we were. So there was the side of

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<v Speaker 5>the ship, a little thin metal wall, ten wall, a ladder,

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<v Speaker 5>a ten wall, and then the spaces on the other side,

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<v Speaker 5>and with the linguists worked on one side, and the

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<v Speaker 5>tech teletype guys and whatever, the Morse code guys all

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I've got this.

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<v Speaker 5>When the torpedo hit, it took out everything inside the

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<v Speaker 5>ship but that ladder, and we were underwater, black smoke,

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<v Speaker 5>everything you got. You got your head up and you

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<v Speaker 5>had about a one foot space between you and the

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<v Speaker 5>ceiling to try to breathe, okay, with all the pipes

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<v Speaker 5>up there and all that, And somehow we found that

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<v Speaker 5>ladder and got out the scuttle hole there and there

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<v Speaker 5>were about forty of us down there, would you agree

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<v Speaker 5>with that, Phil, and twenty five died. We only identified

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<v Speaker 5>one of those twenty five, and we went back in

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<v Speaker 5>to clean them up, because the cleanup's another big part

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<v Speaker 5>of the story. But I don't want to get too

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<v Speaker 5>far ahead of as we're talking in the attack right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Well, I appreciate that, Mo. That was fascinating,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have a ton of follow up questions, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to bring Fill in and and see

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<v Speaker 2>what his experience was. So you were top side, phill

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<v Speaker 2>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was in the forms of pair party Dammag's control

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<v Speaker 4>assistant on Stine Leader that that was my g GQ station.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do want to go back a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>about the spooks, the spies. I've seen some things on

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<v Speaker 4>acts in other places that these guys were giving information

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<v Speaker 4>to the Arabs. That's the most absurd thing I could

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<v Speaker 4>ever ever imagine. These guys, those spies were the highies,

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<v Speaker 4>highly trained NSA spies, and they would never, never, never.

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<v Speaker 3>Do anything like that.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be treason. They wouldn't do that. So all

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<v Speaker 4>that speculation is frankly bullshit. And another thing about the

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<v Speaker 4>crew below, including the engine room, these men did not

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<v Speaker 4>leave their duty stations, Clint. They didn't leave the ship

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<v Speaker 4>like a bunch of rats. They stayed there at their

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<v Speaker 4>duty station as they were ordered to do, and they

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<v Speaker 4>paid dearly with their lives. But getting back upon deck,

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<v Speaker 4>as most said, we could see that we could see

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<v Speaker 4>the reconnaissance aircraft very visible, Star David, they dipped their wings.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything was very friendly. We had not a worry in

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<v Speaker 4>the world, and all of a sudden the attack began

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<v Speaker 4>about two o'clock in the last of twenty five thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, and how does the attack begin. Is it

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<v Speaker 2>strafing runs?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so strafing runs by Mysster and Mirage jets. They

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<v Speaker 4>dropped napalm on the on the ship and this went

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<v Speaker 4>on for twenty five minutes. Think think about just think

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, it's remarkable how they survived. Yeah, it's it's amazing

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<v Speaker 2>that anybody survived, honestly. So the the strafing runs, how

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<v Speaker 2>many how many planes are participating in that two two?

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<v Speaker 2>And then is it the same planes that dropped the napalm?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, okay, so those planes came in. I was top side.

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<v Speaker 5>person who ended up getting blown to pieces with a

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<v Speaker 5>up and saw the jets coming over. But the first

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<v Speaker 5>thing they did is they hit the plane with anti

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever wound everybody up on top out on board

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<v Speaker 5>the ship outside there, and they did a big job

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<v Speaker 5>of that. But then since everybody went indoors okay, into

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<v Speaker 5>the spaces, then they opened up with their runs with

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<v Speaker 5>the armored piercing. So then the rockets would come through

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<v Speaker 5>the middle and the shrapnel would blow people to pieces

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<v Speaker 5>and whatever. So I'm sure Phil experienced that, and he's

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<v Speaker 5>got replicas of some of the holes in the ship.

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<v Speaker 5>But I mean there were four or five inches wide,

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<v Speaker 5>and so they were their intent was to eliminate all

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<v Speaker 5>life on that ship. That ship was never supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>get a message out. When I said those Wisconsints photograph

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<v Speaker 5>the ship, they came on their straits. Not only did

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<v Speaker 5>they hit those anti personnel weapons to kill people, they

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<v Speaker 5>hit every antenna on the mask. There's wires coming all

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<v Speaker 5>down and all these antenna's out on the mask. They

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<v Speaker 5>hit the wires coming down the mast, okay, to make

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<v Speaker 5>sure no antenna's worked, and they shut us down completely.

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<v Speaker 5>But one of our radiomen, Phil Harbardier, had found a

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<v Speaker 5>cable and Phil can echo this too, but he he

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<v Speaker 5>did a hard wire and Phil finished that story right

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<v Speaker 5>there of what he said.

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<v Speaker 4>And all that right, Terry Halbardier did get the long

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<v Speaker 4>For some reason, it didn't work, but he got it going,

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<v Speaker 4>and furilessly, through all odds he got it going and Rockstar,

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<v Speaker 4>Rockstar under attacked by no jet wrap help help us.

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<v Speaker 4>And this went out over and over, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>you watch a Ganders interview. It went that message is

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<v Speaker 4>picked up as far as way as Vietnam. The six

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<v Speaker 4>feet of fleet picked it up, and who else I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. I know in Turkey, they picked it up

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<v Speaker 4>in other places, so probably around the world. Clint is

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<v Speaker 4>where it was picked up. And our government refused to

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<v Speaker 5>In the next step though, that one message going out,

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<v Speaker 5>we did get one message back, and that was not

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<v Speaker 5>supposed to happen, So that means that went out around

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<v Speaker 5>the world, like Phil said, and our message back said

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<v Speaker 5>help is on the way. Okay. That single thing right

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<v Speaker 5>there gives you some relief that somebody's coming to help

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<v Speaker 5>you out. And that never happened until the next day.

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<v Speaker 5>And because of that, when Israel picked up that message,

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<v Speaker 5>they picked it up that help us on the way.

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<v Speaker 5>I could just hear him saying, oh ship, we've been caught.

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<v Speaker 5>We've been caught. We got a message out and we

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<v Speaker 5>better called DC president, you know, Johnson or whatever. Time.

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<v Speaker 5>We screwed up and we hit one of their ships,

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<v Speaker 5>and so they called the jets back and then I

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<v Speaker 5>was on the ship of Admiral Martin, the commandant of

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<v Speaker 5>the sixth Fleet, on the Little Rock, because the America

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<v Speaker 5>was full of injured people. So five of us went

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<v Speaker 5>on there and the admiral came into our space and

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<v Speaker 5>said it was telling us what happened, and he said,

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<v Speaker 5>I want you to know, I loaded four planes off

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<v Speaker 5>the America with nuclear warheads on him directed straight to Cairo.

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<v Speaker 5>Now he didn't have the power to pull the trigger,

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<v Speaker 5>but they were in the air. But then when when

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<v Speaker 5>they got the message help is on the way and

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<v Speaker 5>they saw we got that, they turned it all off

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<v Speaker 5>because they knew they'd been caught. And Israel calls in

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<v Speaker 5>and apologizes for for doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>But actually, I'm sorry, I've got I've got enerject because

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<v Speaker 2>I did not follow that. I mean, that's such a

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<v Speaker 2>such an amazing claim. You're saying nukes were en route

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<v Speaker 2>to where because of who? And then they we thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was.

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<v Speaker 5>An Gypt attacktin Us. We didn't know it was Israel Attackinus.

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<v Speaker 5>We thought it was the Arabs. Okay, yep, those planes

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<v Speaker 5>were loaded and they couldn't land back on aircraft here.

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<v Speaker 5>They had to go to uh to Athens, Greece, to

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<v Speaker 5>land or crete somewhere there h to land with nuclear

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<v Speaker 5>warheads on. But uh uh, that's how close. And Phil

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<v Speaker 5>tell him about the Russians, what they were getting ready

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<v Speaker 5>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, wait, just just one more follow up question. So

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<v Speaker 2>you you're saying that the planes from your ship were

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<v Speaker 2>armed with nuclear warheads and.

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<v Speaker 5>Aircraft the uh the the Saratoga Aircraft Carrier launched planes

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<v Speaker 5>to come and help us with conventional weapons, gotcha. And

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<v Speaker 5>then the America launched four jets with nuclear warheads in

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<v Speaker 5>case something had happened toward Cairo.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So so at the time everybody's in the dark, you're

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<v Speaker 2>assuming it's the Egyptians that are doing it. Infect it's

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<v Speaker 2>thee Israelis. Now the Israelis, as you said, they acknowledged

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<v Speaker 2>the mistake at well, actually I don't want to interject.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was Phil gonna say about Russians?

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<v Speaker 4>Let me first say this that the United States you've

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<v Speaker 4>heard a sack before, they were on their way, even

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<v Speaker 4>before we got attacked, they were on their way to Cairo.

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<v Speaker 4>Along with what both said about the nuclear planes, configured

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<v Speaker 4>planes that were going that way.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was a.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a pre planned attack, not only in this government,

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<v Speaker 4>but the but the design of state of Israel to

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<v Speaker 4>sink our ship and blame it on the Arabs.

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<v Speaker 3>Now what was the other question? I'm sorry, clan.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, that's that's I mean, that's the meat of

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<v Speaker 2>this really is that you know the what it appears

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<v Speaker 2>to be, and if you're correct that in fact those

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<v Speaker 2>those planes were en route to Cairo, that this is

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<v Speaker 2>a false flag attack perpetrated by the Israelis with the

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge of the American government, with the intention of giving

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<v Speaker 2>casaspelli for US to intervene on behalf of the Israelis,

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<v Speaker 2>even though we are losing American troops as a as

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<v Speaker 2>a direct consequence of the actions of the Israelis. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, that's correct, Yes, yes, Can I.

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<v Speaker 5>Explain the USS liberty incident? Sure?

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<v Speaker 6>The US liberty incident is very frequently used by anti Semites.

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<v Speaker 6>You suggest that Israel deliberately targets American ships and then

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<v Speaker 6>has no penalty. So both American naval records and Israeli

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<v Speaker 6>Air Force records suggest that there was a case of

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<v Speaker 6>mistaken identity where in US is liberty was in the

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<v Speaker 6>Mediterranean in a place they were not supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 6>Israel thought that it was an Egyptian ship and shot it.

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<v Speaker 6>That's that's the actual full story.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fucking crazy, guys. I mean like, yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>such an unbelievable story. And obviously I do I do

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<v Speaker 2>lean in your direction. I tend to believe that everything

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<v Speaker 2>that you're saying.

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<v Speaker 5>We came within six minutes of a potential nuclear holocaust. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was saying to feel about there. Phil said

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<v Speaker 5>there was a Russian submarine in the area that was

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<v Speaker 5>prepared to wipe out Israel had this broken loose.

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<v Speaker 2>So wow, so we were going to strike Egypt. The

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<v Speaker 2>Russians were going to strike Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>Well I can't say that sure, but Phil has that information.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Yeah, well yeah, the uh uh the commander of

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<v Speaker 4>the sub uh, he was be lost. And I might

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<v Speaker 4>add there were two other submarines around too, the amber

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<v Speaker 4>jack and the Jackson, but uh they were they were

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<v Speaker 4>they had to get a reflected shield or something they

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<v Speaker 4>could they could hit. And it was, uh the dome,

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<v Speaker 4>the Golden Dome there and uh that was that was it,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was it came close. By the grace of God,

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't think and you know, with five torpedoes coming

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<v Speaker 4>at you and all the other damage they did, and

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<v Speaker 4>then for that torpedo could to hit that I beam. Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>it was not by accident. It was all by the

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<v Speaker 4>grace of God in my view. Uh, that kept us

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<v Speaker 4>alive for moments like this to tell the truth of

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<v Speaker 4>even at our old age. I mean, hey, I'm only

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<v Speaker 4>seventy I'll be seventy eight tomorrow. I think most forty

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<v Speaker 4>four now.

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<v Speaker 3>But you look a.

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<v Speaker 2>Most aging slurer. Yeah, no, this is a I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this story, this story is astonishing, honestly, and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>just to prove it out, because I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people in the audience will be completely caught off

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<v Speaker 2>guard by the claim, and many will just immediately dismiss this.

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<v Speaker 2>What evidence do you have, aside from your own personal experience,

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<v Speaker 2>is to demonstrate that this is in fact true, that

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<v Speaker 2>we were, that this was a joint operation by the

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<v Speaker 2>American government to essentially execute American troops just to justify

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<v Speaker 2>our engagement in a war. How can we prove that

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<v Speaker 2>to my audience.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you can prove it by going to the more report.

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<v Speaker 4>Almas Moore a fair support of ours, Admiral Arley Burke,

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<v Speaker 4>General Ray Davis a Medal of Bond recipient. He had

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<v Speaker 4>a crew of dedicated people to get the truth out,

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<v Speaker 4>to do the more report now Admiral Moore. Admiral Moore

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<v Speaker 4>was a very decorated, highly decorated Navy pilot. He was

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<v Speaker 4>the only admiral to serve in the Southern and the

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<v Speaker 4>Pacific fleets, not at the same time, but he was

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<v Speaker 4>a supreme commander of both of them. Then he rose

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<v Speaker 4>to the rank of four star admiral and became Chairman

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<v Speaker 4>of the Chiefs not once but twice. And he said

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<v Speaker 4>to everybody, I will never ever ever believe the excuse

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<v Speaker 4>by the Israelis or America LBJ that it was a

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<v Speaker 4>mistaken identity. And he has urged the Congress over and

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<v Speaker 4>over again to investigate the USS liberty. But the bought

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<v Speaker 4>and paid for a congressman and Congress in sixty seven

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<v Speaker 4>and now won't touch this with a ten foot poll

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<v Speaker 4>because they get elected with a PAC money. Just check

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<v Speaker 4>the congressman out. I have how many up and take

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<v Speaker 4>a PAC money. They're a foreign government. They should be

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<v Speaker 4>listed as a foreign government. You cannot take money from

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<v Speaker 4>a foreign government.

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<v Speaker 3>For an election. That's influenced Padley and it's very clear. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, their argument is that it's American Israeli, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for Israelis that live in America, it's their interest.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have to agree. I think that the influence

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, any foreign government or you know, having

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<v Speaker 2>a loyalty to another nation above your own is very concerning,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly when we are you know, Israel is in a

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<v Speaker 2>multitude of wars right now, and the best I can tell,

424
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:58.319
<v Speaker 2>we're funding a huge percentage of it, and we seem

425
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<v Speaker 2>to be one of the few countries on Earth that

426
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.480
<v Speaker 2>is still not willing to question any of their actions

427
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.039
<v Speaker 2>no matter what. And it makes you go, well, why

428
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.039
<v Speaker 2>why why are we the only nation on earth that

429
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.720
<v Speaker 2>still believes that? And then if you if you add

430
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:16.519
<v Speaker 2>in this dynamic where as you, if you guys are correct,

431
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:18.599
<v Speaker 2>which I tend to believe you are, that in fact,

432
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:20.960
<v Speaker 2>it was our government working along with the Israelis to

433
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:25.319
<v Speaker 2>attack you guys, well, then that is I don't know

434
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>what else to call it aside from treason? Am I wrong?

435
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean to attack your own men to the benefit

436
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of a of a different country, Like what would you

437
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:33.799
<v Speaker 2>guys call it?

438
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 5>We agree, and I can tell you that because probably

439
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.519
<v Speaker 5>fill and I've been together and maybe getting a little

440
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 5>side tracked with some things. But we have Lyndon Johnson

441
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.960
<v Speaker 5>on tape saying, uh, Lett s ob sink, I will

442
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:54.240
<v Speaker 5>not jeopardize our relationship, my relationship with Israel. And you

443
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:58.400
<v Speaker 5>know that. And there again, nobody knew who was attacking us,

444
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:02.359
<v Speaker 5>So how did he know it was his? Nobody had

445
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:06.400
<v Speaker 5>identified anything. And he says, I will not jeopardisma. So

446
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:09.240
<v Speaker 5>we know he and Mac and Meer are in on

447
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 5>the deal.

448
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they knew. And I mean what what's always weird

449
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>to me is it seems as if they can propagandize

450
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>us in a different way, like why why would they

451
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 2>have to kill dozens of Americans. It's just it just

452
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:27.279
<v Speaker 2>seemed just lie to us about something else. Don't kill

453
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:28.960
<v Speaker 2>our guys, Like what are you? What the fuck are

454
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you people doing? It's insane? I mean, how how have

455
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 2>you guys dealt with this? As I know this is

456
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:38.160
<v Speaker 2>a long time ago, but I from my own experience

457
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.279
<v Speaker 2>of all of my friends that joined the military, they

458
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:43.799
<v Speaker 2>go in there, you know, bright eyed, bushytailed their they're patriotic,

459
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:47.240
<v Speaker 2>red white and blue all day, and and they would

460
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:53.480
<v Speaker 2>to have this realization would just be devastating emotionally for them.

461
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 2>How have you guys handled this? You know, these revelations,

462
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.599
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to ask talk to you.

463
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 5>I'd like to ask Phil to talk to you about

464
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.519
<v Speaker 5>the admirals that came on the ship, and that will

465
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.680
<v Speaker 5>kind of set the stage. It told us how please go.

466
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:18.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, several days out at sea after the attack, I

467
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.880
<v Speaker 4>think it was two days, Admiral Moore, excuse me, Admiral

468
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 4>Isaac Kidd and his jag officer Ward Boston came aboard

469
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 4>the ship and he interviewed all the people over there.

470
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.759
<v Speaker 4>It was pretty much a skeleton crew at that time

471
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 4>because they they airlifted all the wounded off and as

472
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 4>most said, he went to the what ship was it?

473
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:44.480
<v Speaker 3>More?

474
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.799
<v Speaker 4>You went to Little Rock and most of right, Little

475
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.319
<v Speaker 4>Rock and most of them went to USS America where

476
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.240
<v Speaker 4>they were sent off to Germany or wherever for more

477
00:28:54.279 --> 00:29:01.279
<v Speaker 4>definitive care. But Admiral Kid got us in different groups

478
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.319
<v Speaker 4>in orders never to say anything about it, with many

479
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Speaker 4>penalties finds prisoner worse. We all knew what worse meant,

480
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 4>because he meant business and he was very kind to us, Clint,

481
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 4>He was very very kind to begin with, took coffee

482
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.279
<v Speaker 4>stars and says, hey, I'm just like your dad, temporary

483
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:25.359
<v Speaker 4>everything he saw and I did. I said, well, how

484
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:29.279
<v Speaker 4>come help and everything to come to us? And they

485
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.799
<v Speaker 4>shot the life rafts up. They killed all my buddies

486
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.359
<v Speaker 4>on the on the deck or shot them up. And

487
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.279
<v Speaker 4>look at the.

488
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Men in the hole that were dead.

489
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.079
<v Speaker 4>We didn't know how many, how many, how many cts

490
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.279
<v Speaker 4>were down there dead? Thank god, there was only twenty five.

491
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.680
<v Speaker 4>And I really, I really hate to say that only

492
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 4>twenty five. I mean, these are young, beautiful, great patriots,

493
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:57.559
<v Speaker 4>men doing their duty for their country. And for them

494
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 4>to get cut down like that when they could have

495
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:03.519
<v Speaker 4>been rest from that. If Johnson want to let the

496
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:08.319
<v Speaker 4>aircraft come to us, and if you haven't seen sacrifice

497
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.559
<v Speaker 4>from Liberty, you must see it's on rumble sacrifice in Liberty.

498
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.920
<v Speaker 4>And uh there's a pilot on there. His name escapes

499
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 4>him right now, but he says he was on route

500
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.960
<v Speaker 4>to us Flint. And he says, well, we're up here,

501
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 4>we're up here, you know, we'd like to go see

502
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 4>how they're doing. How they're doing. He says, now, just

503
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 4>turn around and come to base. If they allowed those

504
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 4>pilots to get to us. Twenty five American souls would

505
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.680
<v Speaker 4>still be alive today and they were sacrificed. Well, we

506
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 4>were all sacrificed. But as I said before, by the

507
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 4>grace of God, we're here now to tell the truth.

508
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:45.799
<v Speaker 3>And it's spent a long time coming.

509
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.200
<v Speaker 2>So how many people died during the attack, and then

510
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you're saying twenty five additional died because of the delay

511
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:56.039
<v Speaker 2>in care?

512
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.240
<v Speaker 5>No, No, that the attack happened all in a two

513
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 5>hour span or hour and a half span, but there

514
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 5>was a law in between. But the torpedo hit during

515
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.640
<v Speaker 5>the attack. Okay, So all the thirty four deaths all

516
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 5>happened within that one hour, one and a half hour

517
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 5>period of time. In all, one hundred and seventy four

518
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 5>men were wounded. Ye like Phil myself. When I got

519
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:28.079
<v Speaker 5>out of the hole, there was a helicopter hanging over

520
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:32.000
<v Speaker 5>the ship with machine guns pointed at us. The whole

521
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.279
<v Speaker 5>bridge was on fire from the napalm, and the captain's

522
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.359
<v Speaker 5>leaning over the bridge up up top asking for people

523
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.599
<v Speaker 5>to come up and help put out the fires. And

524
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 5>this helicopter what they throw a bag with an origin

525
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.480
<v Speaker 5>in it, and it says, do you have any do

526
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 5>you have any casualties, and the captain flips from the

527
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.440
<v Speaker 5>bird and tells them to go. But we kind of

528
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.559
<v Speaker 5>now know that Mushi Diane, the actual head of the

529
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 5>of the Israeli Defense Forces, the guy with the patch

530
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 5>on his eye, he was on that helicopter. No way,

531
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah he was.

532
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Diane was on the fucking helicopter as you guys are burning.

533
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.519
<v Speaker 5>I got that information probably in the last three months.

534
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 5>But uh, yeah, that he was witnessing this. And uh, I.

535
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Mean, I mean, this is infuriating. I know this happened

536
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 2>to you, so I can't even imagine the emotion that

537
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>you're dealing with. But just imagine from from a regular

538
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, American born in the eighties to hear this,

539
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean that, like, this is unfucking believable. Gentlemen, How

540
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.359
<v Speaker 2>how how has this? How has this been kept a

541
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 2>secret for this long? It just seems impossible. I know it.

542
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I know it's a cover up, but like, where where

543
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>is the fourth estate? Where is the investigative journalist to

544
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 2>to really iron this case out? Where are the allies?

545
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, are there any There's no politics that are

546
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>really going to bat for you guys. Nobody wants to

547
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>step up.

548
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.640
<v Speaker 3>There has there has been in the past.

549
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:15.759
<v Speaker 4>Uh, you know Traffickant, McCluskey, and and and several others.

550
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just.

551
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.720
<v Speaker 4>The the blackout is so complete and it's still blacked out,

552
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 4>very very complete. But we're we're kind of zipping that

553
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:32.680
<v Speaker 4>thread away. But uh, the media. Who owns all the media?

554
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:34.319
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

555
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:39.559
<v Speaker 4>Who owns all the Congress? Ah, it is very very

556
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 4>hard to get anything done without the media. Now what

557
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.279
<v Speaker 4>we have now with people like you Clinton, others, many

558
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:53.599
<v Speaker 4>great people doing podcasts. Uh, that's where the truth is

559
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 4>coming out. Without the podcast, we'd be dead in the water.

560
00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:00.359
<v Speaker 4>We wouldn't have a shot. Yeah, But with your guys

561
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:00.920
<v Speaker 4>that's going on.

562
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, my hope is I'll post this on X Joe

563
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Rogan follows me. We'll see if if Joe picks this up,

564
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 2>and if he if he has you guys on things

565
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>changed dramatically, very quickly, because I think that's a tipping

566
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 2>point at which you cannot ignore your story and people

567
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 2>will have to give answers. But I want to go

568
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:26.039
<v Speaker 2>back to the emotional you know, tumult of the past

569
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:30.320
<v Speaker 2>fifty years. What after you talk to that admiral, he

570
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>tells you to shut up, basically at the cost of,

571
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, tremendous consequences if you refuse. How do you

572
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>respond immediately after? I mean, you just watched your friends die.

573
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine it's easy to bite your tongue.

574
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.360
<v Speaker 4>Well, when he told us, it just wasn't. Maybe it

575
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 4>was four or five other people, and you know, he

576
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.360
<v Speaker 4>could have probably done it over the one MC and

577
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 4>talk to everybody at the same time, but it was

578
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 4>they didn't want that. They intimidated, intimidated.

579
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 3>All of us.

580
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:11.199
<v Speaker 4>So his his reaction to me was, do you understand

581
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:12.360
<v Speaker 4>what I'm telling you?

582
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 3>I said, yes, Sir, I do.

583
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 4>And I kind of kept that in me most of

584
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 4>the years into about eighteen seventeen, eighteen years after the fact,

585
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 4>and then there's a USS Liberty Veterans Association, and I

586
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 4>found out about that through Stan White mastertiche stand white

587
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:39.679
<v Speaker 4>and greeting and being with my shipmates and hearing their

588
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:48.159
<v Speaker 4>stories and their heartache, the depression, the PTSD, the nightmares.

589
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 4>That's bad enough, but when you get stabbed in the

590
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:58.000
<v Speaker 4>back by your own government and hire Israel to do it,

591
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.840
<v Speaker 4>the hit men, it's hey, Clint, It's just like I

592
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 4>see somebody I see somebody kill you on the street,

593
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.880
<v Speaker 4>and I go straight to cops and I got this

594
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.199
<v Speaker 4>guy in custody. I takes been custody myself. They interrogate him,

595
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.239
<v Speaker 4>and then they let him go. He says, well, he

596
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 4>sounds a little bit more credible than you. So that's

597
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 4>exactly what's happening.

598
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:22.920
<v Speaker 3>What about what.

599
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 2>About for you?

600
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 4>Mo?

601
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.960
<v Speaker 2>How has this been emotionally? I know tough veterans don't

602
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>like to talk about emotions, but this has to have

603
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 2>been hard.

604
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:36.760
<v Speaker 5>It's been very emotional, and I going back into the gain.

605
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 5>I can't thank you enough forgivness. It's warum today to

606
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.920
<v Speaker 5>let people know because in all these fifty some years,

607
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 5>we were all threatened with our lives and so forth.

608
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:51.400
<v Speaker 5>So we were calm and silent for fifteen years. There

609
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.079
<v Speaker 5>was not a peep out of any human. I wouldn't

610
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 5>go to the doctor even though I was I was injured.

611
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.400
<v Speaker 5>Since that point, I've had probably fourteen major operations, my

612
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:04.400
<v Speaker 5>most recent this summer at Cleveland Clinic on my back,

613
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 5>and it took me fifty six years to get benefits

614
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.000
<v Speaker 5>from the government because they told me that I was lying,

615
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.480
<v Speaker 5>that the attack didn't even happen. They changed my DD

616
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.599
<v Speaker 5>two fourteen to take us as liberty, take everything out

617
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.679
<v Speaker 5>of there except the only thing they had to leave

618
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 5>on there was the word purple heart. And you can't

619
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 5>get a purple heart unless you've been in combat.

620
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

621
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:37.719
<v Speaker 5>And so I mean there's been a tremendous amount of suffering.

622
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 5>You're talking to Phil and I. We have some of

623
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.559
<v Speaker 5>our sanity left, but we live and breathe this. I'm

624
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 5>very active with the Liberty Veterans Association as Phil as

625
00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:53.679
<v Speaker 5>our president. And you can't imagine the suffering to some

626
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 5>of our people. There's a video out called Sacrificing Liberty

627
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 5>and it's a four hour documentary, so it's in forty

628
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.679
<v Speaker 5>diferent sections, so you can take your time watching it.

629
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 5>But I will tell you Sacrificing Liberty is us telling

630
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.800
<v Speaker 5>our story. It's not other people telling about us. It's

631
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.320
<v Speaker 5>us telling our story. And you know, how long do

632
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 5>we have in a few more minutes?

633
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we've got another you know, fifteen or so.

634
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<v Speaker 2>I just want to get you guys out on time

635
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<v Speaker 2>for your next interviews because your your docket is full

636
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 2>full right now.

637
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 5>There's a lot after this attack that's the thing. There's

638
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 5>so much after in other words, the next or that

639
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.360
<v Speaker 5>the next morning, and we had a law of seventeen

640
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 5>hours with nobody there. Okay, we had one doctor on

641
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.480
<v Speaker 5>there that saved so many lives, and he was shot

642
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.719
<v Speaker 5>up and sewed himself up so he could work, and

643
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.480
<v Speaker 5>Phil spend time working with him on people. We all

644
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:48.079
<v Speaker 5>sat on the mess decks trying to save lives all night.

645
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 5>I mean, holding a straw in the guy's mouth to

646
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.320
<v Speaker 5>keep the blood out of his throat and so forth,

647
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 5>with two holes in his head. I mean, it's it's

648
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 5>it's you can't imagine.

649
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:58.840
<v Speaker 2>No, I literally can't.

650
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 5>I can't imagine twenty year old kids.

651
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I know, and everybody on there is is around

652
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 2>that age for the most part. It's it's uh. I

653
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.480
<v Speaker 2>mean honestly, if I if I think about it too deeply,

654
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll get emotional. So I'm just gonna let you keep talking.

655
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 5>Plus camp, none of us had a gun. If we'd

656
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:23.519
<v Speaker 5>have had sticks, we'd have thrown it at them, right, Okay, So, uh.

657
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.199
<v Speaker 2>So you're you're strictly there on a reconnaissance mission. You're

658
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:27.119
<v Speaker 2>not there to fight at all.

659
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.960
<v Speaker 5>No, there, we had four fitted calibers on our on

660
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:35.639
<v Speaker 5>our ship, wrapped and rushed in and wrapped you know right.

661
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, the reason I ask is because there's no there's

662
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:43.039
<v Speaker 2>no real possible justification for thinking that you are an

663
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.960
<v Speaker 2>imminent threat that deserves to be attacked. I mean, the

664
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.639
<v Speaker 2>the only explanation is that either A they think your

665
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.559
<v Speaker 2>surveillance and they attack you on their own volition, or

666
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 2>B the American government and the Israelis allow this to

667
00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>happen as uh, you know a bottle.

668
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.599
<v Speaker 5>We were free from our general quarters practice and it

669
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.400
<v Speaker 5>is filled to you. Many people were sunbathing on the

670
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.400
<v Speaker 5>deck when the jets hit, so they think we were

671
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:15.480
<v Speaker 5>expecting anything. We expected protection from them. But I wanted

672
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.840
<v Speaker 5>to go to after the attack. I went on the

673
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.840
<v Speaker 5>little Rock. I was there for a few days, and

674
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 5>then I flew back and this is where do you

675
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:23.519
<v Speaker 5>want to go? I said, I want to go back

676
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.679
<v Speaker 5>to my ship. I want to be with the ship.

677
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 5>So the ship took eight days or six days to

678
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.360
<v Speaker 5>get to Malta. That's where we went into dry dock

679
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.719
<v Speaker 5>in Malta to empty all the water out of the ship,

680
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:38.639
<v Speaker 5>to clean it out, get all that so we could

681
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.119
<v Speaker 5>go get the bodies, the twenty five bodies that were

682
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:46.559
<v Speaker 5>still in there for eight days, slashing around that water decay,

683
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 5>I mean, and all that. So then I went back

684
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.440
<v Speaker 5>to the ship and a guy ron Kuckle, was ahead

685
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:56.400
<v Speaker 5>of all the getting all the bodies out, and I

686
00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:58.519
<v Speaker 5>got there just as they were doing a lot of that,

687
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.000
<v Speaker 5>and I helped with some of that. I didn't go

688
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.480
<v Speaker 5>down there, And actually they went down there in that

689
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:07.119
<v Speaker 5>hole and found everybody and tried to put pieces together.

690
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 5>He called it like putting a puzzle together, to put

691
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 5>these bodies together to tell who they were or whatever

692
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 5>that were down there. The smell. Then I stayed in

693
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.239
<v Speaker 5>that hole because I had to see a top secret

694
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Speaker 5>clearance so I could go in there. Phil still couldn't

695
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 5>go in there, okay, And we went in there to

696
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.960
<v Speaker 5>clean up our machines and all that stuff or whatever

697
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 5>or throw things out. And I will tell you, twenty

698
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:37.679
<v Speaker 5>five days into my thirty days in Malta, we were

699
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 5>finding body parts and air conditioner events and still finding everything.

700
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Speaker 5>I had my brother's class ring on and he didn't

701
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 5>killed the year before.

702
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:49.119
<v Speaker 3>He was on.

703
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Speaker 5>The Saratoggar aircraft carrier. But anyway, his ring blew off

704
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.320
<v Speaker 5>and then were that machinery, big big receivers, you know,

705
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.559
<v Speaker 5>to intercept with big boxes that were still intact. We'd

706
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.280
<v Speaker 5>open them up and we found eyeglasses. I found the

707
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 5>class room inside of one of these machines or whatever.

708
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.280
<v Speaker 5>So the implosion had expanded everything or whatever. And then

709
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.920
<v Speaker 5>people's glasses and all their stuff flew off their bodies.

710
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 5>And uh, the impact, the impact we took must have.

711
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.480
<v Speaker 5>It had to be just profound. But there again, had

712
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 5>it not hit that beam, none of us would even

713
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:29.559
<v Speaker 5>had a clue.

714
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Right, yes, and and and if if that beam isn't

715
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.800
<v Speaker 2>hidden and you're you know, everybody's killed that you two

716
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Speaker 2>aren't here to talk to me today, which is well.

717
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.559
<v Speaker 5>Pierces implodes and explodes.

718
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.559
<v Speaker 2>And then it sinks. Yeah, So what is your belief

719
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:52.599
<v Speaker 2>as to who they intended to blame? I assume the Egyptians, I.

720
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 5>Would think so, wouldn't you, Phil?

721
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Absolutely, I think that was the whole whole plan

722
00:42:58.920 --> 00:42:59.800
<v Speaker 3>all along.

723
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Is to sink as fast and blame it on Nasser

724
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.480
<v Speaker 4>or the Arab neighbors. Because listen, Clint, Uh, this is

725
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 4>nothing more than a land grab, and we stopped it.

726
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 3>In fact, I believe in.

727
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 4>My heart and soul, And I think probably the rest

728
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 4>of my ship makes including Mo, believe that we saved

729
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.920
<v Speaker 4>not only our ship by the grace of God, but

730
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.079
<v Speaker 4>we saved humanity for millions and millions of people being

731
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 4>blown to bits by a nuclear weapon.

732
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's there's a really compelling argument that

733
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:46.440
<v Speaker 2>you're right as and and even more disturbing is that

734
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 2>for that to have occurred, for humanity to have, you know,

735
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>hung on the brink as as close as it was,

736
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>and for no one to care or listen or believe you.

737
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's us unreal. I mean it's unreal. Just

738
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:08.159
<v Speaker 2>for clarification, how many, how many survived? How many parish

739
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 2>that day?

740
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:11.679
<v Speaker 5>Thirty four died?

741
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:17.880
<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, Phil, Yeah, Yeah, thirty thirty four were k

742
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 4>i A and one hundred and seventy four wounded out

743
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.719
<v Speaker 4>of a crew of two hundred and ninety four souls,

744
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:29.199
<v Speaker 4>So either two thirds of the ship was either dead

745
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 4>or wounded. And I'm talking Clinton. Some of these people

746
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:39.480
<v Speaker 4>were so badly wounded it was extremely hard not to

747
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:42.400
<v Speaker 4>break into tears every time you saw one of them.

748
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:49.519
<v Speaker 2>And it was just incredible how many, how many survivors

749
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:50.960
<v Speaker 2>are with us today? Do you guys.

750
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:56.079
<v Speaker 5>Know, I think there's less than one hundred. I know

751
00:44:56.119 --> 00:45:00.360
<v Speaker 5>there's less than one hundred. We spend our months now,

752
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.719
<v Speaker 5>you know, burying our friends, our shipmates and honoring them

753
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.199
<v Speaker 5>with the wreath or whatever that we do. We try

754
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:12.760
<v Speaker 5>to keep up with everyone that passes, and we have

755
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:16.159
<v Speaker 5>a newsletter every every four months that we send out

756
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:21.440
<v Speaker 5>and keep our people, our supporters, you know, with that

757
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 5>type of news and so forth. But it's I don't know.

758
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.239
<v Speaker 5>And we have some have never come last year. Every year,

759
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 5>every reunion we have we try to have the last

760
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.440
<v Speaker 5>four years we've had him, somebody new comes right Phil,

761
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:40.320
<v Speaker 5>somebody a shipmate that we haven't heard from, comes new,

762
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 5>and it's overwhelming for us because they have harbored up

763
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:51.880
<v Speaker 5>for fifty seven years, not having a clue what's going on,

764
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:56.239
<v Speaker 5>but harbored all this themselves. And we have a guy

765
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:58.440
<v Speaker 5>named Rodney. It came out three years ago or so,

766
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Speaker 5>and he's a good friend of mine from West Virginia.

767
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:08.159
<v Speaker 5>But anyway, he he's blossomed, hadn't it. Oh yeah, absolutely,

768
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.920
<v Speaker 5>He's around his ship nice and he couldn't he couldn't

769
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.800
<v Speaker 5>talk about his wife, never even knew about the attack.

770
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 5>He took it literally for that long.

771
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys are tough man. That's the that's the

772
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.800
<v Speaker 2>reality I would be. I would be broken by it,

773
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:25.599
<v Speaker 2>no doubt about it.

774
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 4>Well, uh, we were broken for a while and until

775
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 4>we all got together. Then then all became We could

776
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.480
<v Speaker 4>tell each other the way we felt, and we weren't

777
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.920
<v Speaker 4>scorned or laughed at. And I might add, last year,

778
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:48.519
<v Speaker 4>if we dedicated a beautiful monument that was made here

779
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.079
<v Speaker 4>right in Colorado City Ridge, Colorado.

780
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.639
<v Speaker 3>Uh, all marble.

781
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 4>It was made out of the same marvel that all

782
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:59.679
<v Speaker 4>all the monuments are made out in d C. But

783
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:03.960
<v Speaker 4>we wanted to have the Navy take it, the Naval Museum.

784
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:08.119
<v Speaker 4>They refused it, and then we asked now Security Agency

785
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.039
<v Speaker 4>to take it, and they refused it.

786
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:12.599
<v Speaker 3>Then we asked the.

787
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.360
<v Speaker 4>My goodness, it was I forget, but it was another

788
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.000
<v Speaker 4>another group, Oh, the Cold War Museum.

789
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:23.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and they refused it.

790
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 4>And finally through Terry McFarland, he kept on working and working.

791
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 4>He lives out on the East coast and knows a

792
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:34.639
<v Speaker 4>lot of people. But he got a hold of Post

793
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.559
<v Speaker 4>forty eighth nine in Tide Water, Virginia, and Nate gladly

794
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 4>accepted it.

795
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 3>And our own government didn't what yeah.

796
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 4>VFW, excuse me, but our own government didn't want it,

797
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:51.880
<v Speaker 4>but the veterans of forty eighth nine did. And I

798
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:55.360
<v Speaker 4>might also say this is a very important and the

799
00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:02.599
<v Speaker 4>American legion of our country. One of my shipmates in jail,

800
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Ernie Gallo and him went to the national Convention. The

801
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 4>the LVA sentema check MOA know more about that, and

802
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:16.599
<v Speaker 4>they said they never received it. And uh Ernie said, well,

803
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:18.239
<v Speaker 4>I'll just pay with my credit card and I'll get

804
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.280
<v Speaker 4>it back from the LVA later. And they refuse. No,

805
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.760
<v Speaker 4>you're not going to get You're not going to get

806
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.719
<v Speaker 4>any booth there. And uh Glenn Torp, he's his card

807
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 4>in Atlanta on a lady's breast and they are resting

808
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.280
<v Speaker 4>for assault put him in jail.

809
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:37.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

810
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.239
<v Speaker 4>So that's that's what we've been treated by our own

811
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.559
<v Speaker 4>veterans groups. Because when you get at that higher level,

812
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, the commanders and all these popas guys, they're

813
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.280
<v Speaker 4>nothing but politicians, that's all they are.

814
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, they want to go to Washington.

815
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Of course. Yeah. And you don't you don't you know,

816
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.599
<v Speaker 2>rise through the ranks if you actually think for yourself

817
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and speak out. I do have a question for you guys,

818
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.519
<v Speaker 2>because you know, as a libertarian, as a non interventionist,

819
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.599
<v Speaker 2>anti war guy, I'm I'm very red pilled on the

820
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.440
<v Speaker 2>narratives about that get us into wars. I would imagine

821
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:13.800
<v Speaker 2>you guys are equally, if not more red pilled than

822
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.599
<v Speaker 2>I am when it comes to the propaganda than the

823
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 2>lies that lead us into wars, from the WMDs to

824
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the you know might on revolution in Ukraine and now

825
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.840
<v Speaker 2>how Putin has invade Ukraine unprovoked. I'm just curious what

826
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>you're what both of your opinions are as to to

827
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.119
<v Speaker 2>what appears to be a continuation of the Cold War

828
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that the USSR fell thirty three years ago.

829
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Do you guys feel as if we are on the

830
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.519
<v Speaker 2>brink of war with Russia? And what are your just

831
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:46.079
<v Speaker 2>general feelings about everything that's happening and how crazy it is,

832
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 2>because from from my vantage point, it's unbelievable. I'm I'm

833
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:51.239
<v Speaker 2>sure you guys have a different you know, viewer.

834
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.079
<v Speaker 5>I agree with you one hundred percent on that, Clint,

835
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:59.079
<v Speaker 5>because it's it's just senseless the way things are going.

836
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:03.199
<v Speaker 5>But it comes into guys like Putin, who are driven

837
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:09.440
<v Speaker 5>by their I guess, their desire to control and have

838
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 5>everything and be empowered to have all that and take

839
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 5>over Yourukraine or whatever. I mean, a country that was

840
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.159
<v Speaker 5>split off from Russia and just wonderful people and for

841
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:25.199
<v Speaker 5>no reason. But I can tell you right now I'm

842
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 5>feeling a little comfortable at this point because of the

843
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:33.599
<v Speaker 5>recent changes and the desire to be out of wars

844
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 5>and have the power to negotiate and work your way

845
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<v Speaker 5>through those things. And I feel with our new leadership,

846
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<v Speaker 5>come then we have that opportunity.

847
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<v Speaker 2>Well the way it is, yeah, this is actually leads

848
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<v Speaker 2>into my next question for you, and I'll let fill

849
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<v Speaker 2>up in here too. You know, from my vantage point,

850
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.119
<v Speaker 2>and it seems like you've already pointed out that the

851
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 2>higher ups in the military like they're not going to

852
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<v Speaker 2>speak out.

853
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:00.440
<v Speaker 3>I have.

854
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of hope for the Trump cabinet.

855
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that it is an improvement over the existing paradigm. However,

856
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:10.519
<v Speaker 2>it is still very much in Israel first type of cabinet. Yeah,

857
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:14.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, Pete Haig Seth and these guys like even

858
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 2>though he's you know, he's a real vet, you know,

859
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 2>he's one of you guys as best I can tell.

860
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 2>It still seems as if there's no chance that he

861
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 2>will be in your corner when it comes to getting

862
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.119
<v Speaker 2>the truth out about what transpired with Israel. Is that

863
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:29.199
<v Speaker 2>your opinion, as will Fill?

864
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:32.840
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

865
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it absolutely absolutely is my opinion, and that all

866
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.920
<v Speaker 4>stems from the power of Israel an a pac in

867
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:50.239
<v Speaker 4>our country. And listen, maybe these guys really believe that. Okay,

868
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't care what they believe about that, but they

869
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 4>better believe the USS liberty veterans in our story betrayal,

870
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 4>murder and cover ups. That's the most important thing. Our

871
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.559
<v Speaker 4>country comes first. I don't give a damn who attacked us.

872
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 4>It could have been anybody, but if it was Israel,

873
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 4>they got by with it probably. And I think we

874
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 4>all know this collusion by this government LBJ and UH

875
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.679
<v Speaker 4>at the time, Levy Askell and every administration from from

876
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:29.199
<v Speaker 4>LBJ to Biden has not helped us. And I don't

877
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:31.039
<v Speaker 4>foresee him doing it now. But I called down on

878
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 4>President Trump, and I'll do it again. I'll do it again.

879
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Is America really first or is Israel first? And I

880
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:41.199
<v Speaker 4>voted for Trump three times, don't get me wrong. And

881
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 4>I understand you. You ran for president too, Is that correct?

882
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Vice president?

883
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:52.039
<v Speaker 4>But yes, vice president Okay, but anyway, yeah, it's uh.

884
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 4>And as far as nuclear wars go, that this could

885
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:59.519
<v Speaker 4>happen in Europe, and it could also happen in the Least.

886
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.199
<v Speaker 4>In fact, I'm a little bit more worried about the

887
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.559
<v Speaker 4>Middle East that I am Ukraine.

888
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, under the Trump administration, given his cabinet dynamics,

889
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:13.800
<v Speaker 2>I think that Iran now becomes much more perilous than

890
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.800
<v Speaker 2>probably even Ukraine is. But you know, we got to

891
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:19.639
<v Speaker 2>get through the first to get to avoid the second.

892
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.400
<v Speaker 2>And at this point, you know, Russia and Ukraine are

893
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is a bloodbath on a scale that

894
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.639
<v Speaker 2>is really not being talked about, honestly, and it's devastating

895
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.039
<v Speaker 2>to witness, and it's devastating to know that our State Department,

896
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, provokes so much of this. But you know,

897
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 2>setting all that aside, I just wanted to get your

898
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:39.719
<v Speaker 2>opinion on that. But I just want to say to

899
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you gentlemen, because we're running out of time, you do

900
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 2>have to go to another interview. I'm just so thrilled

901
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I got this opportunity to talk to you guys today.

902
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that the fact that You're still fighting for

903
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:54.760
<v Speaker 2>the truth and fighting for justice all these decades later.

904
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Speaks to your character. You're the type of men that

905
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 2>make me proud to be an American when my government

906
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.599
<v Speaker 2>makes me not so proud to be one. So thank you, gentlemen,

907
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.280
<v Speaker 2>for your time, and I pray that you will see

908
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 2>justice in your lifetimes. I really do thank you.

909
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:11.880
<v Speaker 5>Could I say that I'd like to repeat our website

910
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:18.039
<v Speaker 5>USS Liberty yes dot org Ussliberty dot org, and we

911
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:21.159
<v Speaker 5>certainly appreciate if any of your listeners would go to

912
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.719
<v Speaker 5>our site if they feel they want to donate their

913
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:25.800
<v Speaker 5>welcome to but they can learn a lot about our

914
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 5>story there. We have video links on there to Sacrifice

915
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.760
<v Speaker 5>and Liberty. We have other documentaries that we've done, so

916
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.280
<v Speaker 5>there's a wealth of information on that site and we're

917
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:41.760
<v Speaker 5>just looking for the support of your listeners to hear

918
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 5>our story, to want to learn more. They're free to

919
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.760
<v Speaker 5>reach out to us, and you know our names are

920
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Speaker 5>there on the site and we will certainly do everything

921
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:52.280
<v Speaker 5>we can.

922
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I have a feeling that your media circuit has

923
00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:00.199
<v Speaker 2>only just begun. Hopefully I'm not I'm not mistaken. And

924
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.400
<v Speaker 2>there are some courageous people that are willing to let

925
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.559
<v Speaker 2>you tell your story that have large platforms. We'll we'll

926
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:07.639
<v Speaker 2>find out fill any closing comments.

927
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah again, thanks Clint, and it's it was a pleasure

928
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:17.280
<v Speaker 4>to be on with mo I mean, uh, you know,

929
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.320
<v Speaker 4>we have two men here in different parts of the ship,

930
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:24.400
<v Speaker 4>but live the same story. We have it in our

931
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 4>heart and we do this for our fallen shipmates, not

932
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:33.039
<v Speaker 4>just us. Those thirty four men were murdered, and I

933
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 4>don't want to go down to history is dying in vain.

934
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:36.480
<v Speaker 3>They were murdered.

935
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.239
<v Speaker 4>And I might say this on every award that we got,

936
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:43.079
<v Speaker 4>there's not They have really nice words to say, but

937
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.760
<v Speaker 4>there's not one mention of who attacked us. So they

938
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.719
<v Speaker 4>even they even stop on the awards by saying who

939
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:54.719
<v Speaker 4>attacked us? And that is disgraceful of our American government

940
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:58.159
<v Speaker 4>then and now they should be changed to make sure

941
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:01.840
<v Speaker 4>our attackers are known and not covered up. We're like

942
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:05.880
<v Speaker 4>a ghost ship that got attacked. But thank you again. Yeah,

943
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.320
<v Speaker 4>we got to go through another interview, and thank you, MOA.

944
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:10.960
<v Speaker 4>I gotta go on, I think a little bit earlier

945
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:11.960
<v Speaker 4>than you and then you're on.

946
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, look, absolutely, you guys are my favorite. I

947
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:20.719
<v Speaker 2>really I really I'm going to continue to beat this drum.

948
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't give a fuck about the consequences. The truth

949
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.960
<v Speaker 2>matters more than that. Justice matters, and let's hope that

950
00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:29.400
<v Speaker 2>we can we can actually stop fighting for other nations

951
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Speaker 2>and fight for our own one of these days. Anyways,

952
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, gentlemen, have a go. I just want to

953
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:37.119
<v Speaker 2>give my thanks to Mosheffer in Field Turney for being

954
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.800
<v Speaker 2>willing to continue to tell their story more than half

955
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:43.000
<v Speaker 2>a century later. I want to give my thanks to

956
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.199
<v Speaker 2>all of the USS liberty survivors and those that are

957
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:51.400
<v Speaker 2>are willing to continue to fight. I wish, I wish

958
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.920
<v Speaker 2>our government was on your side, gentlemen, and I my

959
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 2>heart breaks for what you've had to deal with, and

960
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I just can't believe it. I can't belie. As you

961
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:06.320
<v Speaker 2>can tell, it was a very, very emotionally taxing interview

962
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 2>to do. But I really really hope that this story

963
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:14.000
<v Speaker 2>continues to gain steam and hopefully that these gentlemen can

964
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:18.199
<v Speaker 2>receive justice and at least receive acknowledgment for their bravery,

965
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:22.280
<v Speaker 2>their heroism, and their I mean their heroism didn't cease

966
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:27.400
<v Speaker 2>on that day. It continued for fifty plus years afterwards,

967
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:33.519
<v Speaker 2>and you know, what they've been through is unimaginable, just flatly,

968
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.199
<v Speaker 2>it's just impossible. It's impossible to imagine what they've what

969
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 2>they've gone through. So I'm blown away. I'm blown away.

970
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you guys feel the same, and yeah, let's

971
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:46.760
<v Speaker 2>just keep keep fighting for those guys, I hope that

972
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:50.239
<v Speaker 2>you can support them, support their foundation. I'll link that

973
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 2>down below. And as you can tell, I did not

974
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.840
<v Speaker 2>run ads on this episode because I did not feel

975
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.480
<v Speaker 2>as if my advertisers would probably want to be attached

976
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:03.440
<v Speaker 2>to this project given the controversial nature of it. So

977
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:05.360
<v Speaker 2>if you would like to support my work, which is

978
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.320
<v Speaker 2>probably the best way to do this anyways, if I

979
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.679
<v Speaker 2>want to continue to tell the truth, liberty loockdown dot

980
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<v Speaker 2>locals dot com, or you can subscribe to my ex

981
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.800
<v Speaker 2>which is at liberty lockpod on x or Twitter, whatever

982
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.639
<v Speaker 2>you call it these days, and that's the easiest way

983
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:23.039
<v Speaker 2>to continue to allow me to fund this operation without

984
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 2>going out of pocket and to tell the truth, which

985
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:28.480
<v Speaker 2>is the hardest aspect of all of this. I hope

986
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 2>you guys enjoyed it. If you did, please do share

987
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<v Speaker 2>it around, subscribe, hit the like button, and I will

988
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:36.960
<v Speaker 2>see you soon. Welcome to liberty lockdown. It's gonna your

989
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.480
<v Speaker 2>plock home to liberty and come. But yeah, it's on Hall.

990
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:40.760
<v Speaker 2>It's where did it come from?

991
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:41.320
<v Speaker 3>And where did he
