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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder

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<v Speaker 1>and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird

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<v Speaker 1>that people are going to have to talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Preston Dinnet.

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<v Speaker 1>me Forbidden Oledge News at gmail dot com. Today I

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<v Speaker 1>want to welcome back to the show Preston Dinnet. He

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<v Speaker 1>first began investigating UFOs in nineteen eighty six after learning

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<v Speaker 1>that his family, friends, and co workers were having encounters.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, he has interviewed hundreds of people and investigated

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<v Speaker 1>a wide variety of cases. He has now written over

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine books in more than one hundred articles about

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<v Speaker 1>UFOs and the paranormal Preston, Welcome back. How you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great, doing pretty good. Hope you are too.

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<v Speaker 1>I am, and it's great to have you back. It

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<v Speaker 1>has been a while. I'm very much looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about some of the incredible encounters you research and

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<v Speaker 1>write about. You've covered over thousands of cases, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>by now, everything from UFOs, extraterrestrials, encryptids to a whole

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum of high strangeness, all of our favorite things here

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss. Before we get into it, though, remind the

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<v Speaker 1>audience a little bit about yourself and let them know

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<v Speaker 1>how they can find more.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. I've been in this field for almost four decades now.

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<v Speaker 2>I can hardly believe it gon involved in this field

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<v Speaker 2>is a complete skeptic. When I found out my brother

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<v Speaker 2>had seen a UFO, which I actually ignored for several

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<v Speaker 2>years until I heard about a report of a sighting

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<v Speaker 2>over Alaska in nineteen eighty six, November seventeen, very famous

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<v Speaker 2>sighting Captain Kendrick Tarrocchi that was on the news, mainstream

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<v Speaker 2>evening news. So that kind of opened the door for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found out that not only had my brother

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<v Speaker 2>seen a UFO and I'm going to say he was

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<v Speaker 2>probably taken on board because it was not long after

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<v Speaker 2>that he had this little implant thing in his arm.

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<v Speaker 2>But found out, of course, a number of people within

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<v Speaker 2>my family had seen UFOs, definitely some friends, co workers,

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<v Speaker 2>and not just seeing UFOs but missing time face to

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<v Speaker 2>face encounters with ETAs. We know that this subject is phenomena,

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<v Speaker 2>for lack of a better word, bollows families. It took

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<v Speaker 2>me a while to unpack that. Yeah, our family is

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. And since then I've had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of my own encounters and not just sightings, but tell

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<v Speaker 2>it the contact And in twenty twenty two, finally a

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<v Speaker 2>fully conscious on board experience. So really, yeah, yeah, which

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<v Speaker 2>was the best experience of my life. We can talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, That's how it kind of unrolled for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I became a move on field investigator within a year

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<v Speaker 2>or so, started investigating cases formally really dove deep for

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<v Speaker 2>ten years, buying every darn book I could find. I

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<v Speaker 2>started going on the radio TV. I wrote about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>articles by nineteen ninety six. I had been in this

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<v Speaker 2>field for yeah, ten years before I put up my

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<v Speaker 2>first book, which was UFO Healings, and now you know,

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<v Speaker 2>since then about one book per year. I'm up to

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two right now, a little behind schedule, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>got four or five lined up ready to go as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as i can just get my hands on them.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, my YouTube channel is where I'm spending a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of my energy right now because that's going really well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm easy to find on the Internet. Just punch

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<v Speaker 2>my name in I'm on. At least I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>a third of the social media platforms, so there's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be fifty of them by now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, right on, Thank you for the introduction. It has

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<v Speaker 1>been a little while since we spoke, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize you had your own very profound experience. I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is something I just really started talking about

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<v Speaker 2>and never really talked about my own experiences because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a researcher. You want to remain impartial. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, I've really wanted to dive deep into the

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<v Speaker 2>subject and start seeing stuff for myself. Because you can

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<v Speaker 2>read as many books as you want, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>talk to everyone on this planet, but you'll never know

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<v Speaker 2>what it's like until it happens to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it did start happening to me pretty early on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd gotten bobs Field again nineteen eighty six, really started

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<v Speaker 2>going outside a lot more, turned to see stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>when someone said that they'd seen UFOs, I'd be all

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<v Speaker 2>over that go to the area where there were sightings,

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<v Speaker 2>and I started to see some unexplained lights and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't until nineteen ninety two in July that I did

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<v Speaker 2>have a missing time encounter with an orb of light

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<v Speaker 2>that came down and I completely forgot the whole darn thing,

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<v Speaker 2>huge red flag there, don't remember driving home, didn't tell

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<v Speaker 2>anybody because I didn't remember it. Started having dreams of

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<v Speaker 2>being on board, and so that kind of ramped up

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<v Speaker 2>over the years. I would see UFOs. That year, actually

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<v Speaker 2>I saw. I had four major sightings nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 2>had nineteen ninety four a telepathic communication with in the

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<v Speaker 2>parent UFO which was connected to a lady I was interviewing.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually they kind of showed up and said she's telling

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, you know, you can trust her or her

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<v Speaker 2>e t's and this sort of thing. And had another

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<v Speaker 2>sighting right after that again they came down with her

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<v Speaker 2>in front, in front of both of us. So my

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<v Speaker 2>point is that you know it was an escalation of

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<v Speaker 2>events leading up to this major onboard encounter because by

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<v Speaker 2>the time this happened, which was on my birthday actually

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<v Speaker 2>that's birthday present ever in twenty twenty two May six,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that sounds synchronistic, and it is because

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<v Speaker 2>having interviewed a lot of people, there's a weird timing

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<v Speaker 2>aspect sometimes to people's UFO encounters. It'll happen perhaps on

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<v Speaker 2>a wedding anniversary when someone just got divorced, or over

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<v Speaker 2>a major relationship or just hooked up, birthdays, the anniversary

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<v Speaker 2>of someone's death. Just it's this really weird. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when something major is going on in a person's life,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes this is when they all show up. So the

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<v Speaker 2>only real encounter I had that was fully conscious before

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<v Speaker 2>that was waking up and that must have been ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six thereabouts in my condominium in Canoga Park, where I

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<v Speaker 2>could have sworn I saw gray in my bedroom. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little hesitant on that one because how it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I woke up because I thought someone was walk It

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<v Speaker 2>felt like a cat across my bed. But you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a cat, you know, I had no pets, So

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<v Speaker 2>that woke me up, and I was lying on my side.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to sleep in total darkness. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>very little light, but I saw something about that thin rail,

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<v Speaker 2>thin dark out of my apartment. Didn't see a head,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see arms or legs. It was too fast, but

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<v Speaker 2>I made my heart beat fast, and I just like wow,

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<v Speaker 2>and I turned over and went to bed, which seems,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, counterintuitive, But having interviewed a lot of witnesses

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<v Speaker 2>and said, you know, I didn't react the way I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would, I finally got it. So yeah, A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of dream memories and flashbacks were going on at

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<v Speaker 2>this time. But I hooked up with Dolly Saffron in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen and wrote a book about her case called Symmetry.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a very extensive contactee, with more fully conscious

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<v Speaker 2>colors than anyone I've ever met or read about, and

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<v Speaker 2>has a lot of evidence to support her case. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>when I met her face to face the first time

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<v Speaker 2>the UFO was there, I saw it and she actually

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<v Speaker 2>filmed it the day before. She's got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>corroborating witnesses, a lot of evidence, so I knew her

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<v Speaker 2>case was for real, and when you associate with contactees,

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<v Speaker 2>there are chances of having an encounter go way up.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's essentially what caused this encounter because it was

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<v Speaker 2>her ets her you know by that, I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>ones she was associating with her ET. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>was just I was in bed, you know, dreaming and

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<v Speaker 2>just having a normal night when suddenly I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>and I was no longer dreaming. I was in my

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<v Speaker 2>bedroom and I was being pulled through the wall. It

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<v Speaker 2>was really.

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<v Speaker 1>Strange because were you paralyzed?

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<v Speaker 2>No one's ever asked me that. I didn't really pay

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<v Speaker 2>attention to that. I'm gonna say yes, because I've was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of struck by this really electric feeling, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't fight it, so I really can't say that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I was or was not, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>a feeling I kind of recognized. I'm like wow, and

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of brought back memories of having done this before.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw the wall kind of go really opened

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<v Speaker 2>up into like this dark area and how would I went?

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<v Speaker 1>And important question were you out of body during this time?

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<v Speaker 1>Was this an astral experience?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? People have asked me that, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>say no because I've had a lot of OBEs. I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a book about it. I got really good at

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<v Speaker 2>it very early on, actually not so coincidentally, about the

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<v Speaker 2>same time as I started investigating. These things kind of

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<v Speaker 2>come hand in hand. Yeah, so I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 2>no for a number of reasons, which we can get into. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>because it feels different. You know, when you're obe there's

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<v Speaker 2>a certain quality to it. You can see the environment,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's got this weird aura too, and your vision.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a little different in ways that are hard

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<v Speaker 2>to describe. And it didn't feel like that. I recognized

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<v Speaker 2>what was happening. I was being pulled up an energy

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<v Speaker 2>beam and it's got this sort of buzzing feeling to it,

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<v Speaker 2>which is different from what you know obear is called

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<v Speaker 2>a vibratory state, okay, which is very brief. You feel

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<v Speaker 2>it and then you're done and you're out and you're

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<v Speaker 2>wandering around. So I was pulled up this energy beam

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<v Speaker 2>and really couldn't see a whole lot except deep space stars.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see the Earth or anything. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>taken a long time. I'm like, oh my god, how

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<v Speaker 2>long is this going to take? Because I'd never experienced

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<v Speaker 2>that before. Usually it's a few seconds, but no, this

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<v Speaker 2>went on for a good twenty or thirty seconds, and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew what was happening. I'm like, I'm being taken,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is awesome. I having studied this subject, I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't have a fear of it, of the ets,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps because you know, knowledge overcomes fear, and I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of know what to expect, but in a way I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I did. After, I was a bit surprised because

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<v Speaker 2>the next thing I knew, I never saw the craft

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<v Speaker 2>from the outside. I was just suddenly lying on a

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<v Speaker 2>short table. I mean by short, I mean low and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe three feet off the ground, and there was a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of little short guys on one side. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>really paying attention to because I immediately noticed that I

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<v Speaker 2>was in this very large round room about fifty feet across,

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<v Speaker 2>which was well lit with indirect lighting. All the things

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard people describe. But it's different when you see

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<v Speaker 2>it for yourself, because you can visualize all you want,

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<v Speaker 2>white jumpsuit. And you cannot get that kind of clean

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<v Speaker 2>here on Earth, of course, no zippers or patches or

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<v Speaker 2>said no, no, you know, lay down. We need to

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<v Speaker 2>check to make sure you're okay. I told her, and listen,

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<v Speaker 2>and I kept insisting I was fine. Uh, And after

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<v Speaker 1>I had all feel at all like you were in

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, I mean, I'm gonna say it's ever so

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<v Speaker 2>time or something that's kind of a little like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sure it's much different for you, having researched

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<v Speaker 1>never experienced it waking up on an alien craft being

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<v Speaker 1>experimented on. If you have a unique reaction to it, I'd.

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<v Speaker 2>and like, why can't happen to me? You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't. At this point, you know, I won't

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<v Speaker 1>So they didn't do any experiments or check you out

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<v Speaker 1>like she was wanting to.

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<v Speaker 2>No no needles, no instruments. I was just a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of lookover. So it couldn't have been more than three minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on that table and again felt no fear,

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<v Speaker 2>quite the opposite. I was absolutely excited because I'm looking around.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wow, the walls are around it. Look there

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<v Speaker 2>is indirect lighting, and look there's these grays over there.

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<v Speaker 2>And that did make my heart leap up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, whoa, because they looked very different. These guys

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<v Speaker 2>without emotions, because I had a stern look on their face,

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<v Speaker 2>like they were all business and yeah, if they had

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<v Speaker 2>would probably would have probably felt a little different, perhaps,

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<v Speaker 2>But they were I'm gonna say, twenty feet away, a

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<v Speaker 2>group of like three or four of them in jumpsuits

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<v Speaker 2>gray jumpsuits. They didn't catch my eye. So I'm sweeping

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<v Speaker 2>across the room and I can see that there's rooms

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<v Speaker 2>going around the hulcor I mean, I'm sorry, windows going

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<v Speaker 2>around the whole circumference, which are slanted at a forty

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<v Speaker 2>five degree angle.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I asked you if you believed you were

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<v Speaker 1>out of body, But did you ever take time to

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<v Speaker 1>look at your hands or feet and notice your body?

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<v Speaker 2>Not? Really? Okay, okay, which you know, I finally did

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<v Speaker 2>do that, Obe because some people ask me about that,

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<v Speaker 2>like how are you dressed? And you know, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you look like? I'm much younger when i'm Obe. Oh interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>all my hair comes back and I look great, pretty muscular.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to be a muscular young man. Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And you float and you fly around. The gravity was

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<v Speaker 2>slightly less. I feel like I didn't really notice any

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<v Speaker 2>temperature so much. But I was looking around. There were

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<v Speaker 2>windows around the hole circumference that were tilted at an

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<v Speaker 2>angle kind of like a cruise shit might be, or

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<v Speaker 2>a lookout from the top of the building. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>I saw some people kind of looking out and scanning

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<v Speaker 2>the whole room. There are people standing in the center,

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<v Speaker 2>which I didn't quite notice because my attention now was

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<v Speaker 2>fixated on this seven to eight foot tall gray et

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<v Speaker 2>who I've since found out was Dolly Saffron's main contact.

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<v Speaker 2>A tall gray she calls Mama, which I wasn't quite

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<v Speaker 2>clicking to immediately, but sort of because Dolly has described her,

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<v Speaker 2>and sure enough that was her. So I ran right

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<v Speaker 2>up to her, and she was wearing a white smock.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very e t you know, a completely huge pear

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<v Speaker 2>shaped head, kind of very large wrap around eyes almost

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<v Speaker 2>no no, is a very tiny slit for a mouth

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<v Speaker 2>which was curled up in the tiny as cute as

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<v Speaker 2>little smile. And I had to look up at her.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm five foot nine and three quarters, so

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<v Speaker 2>she had to be at least seven feet so she,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, was radiating wisdom and grace, beauty and elegance.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just something about her presence that is absolutely stunning.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm maybe two feet away from her and

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<v Speaker 2>she tilts head forward and to the side and says

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<v Speaker 2>to me telepathically, so is this what you thought it

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<v Speaker 2>would be like? And I said, no, it's much better.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was because this was an environment where I

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<v Speaker 2>felt almost at home. I don't know how to put it,

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<v Speaker 2>but safe, and the people around are wise and are kind,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just different from Earth, which is a bit

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<v Speaker 2>chaotic and you can't trust people. So I was I said,

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<v Speaker 2>can I explore instead, of course, and she kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gestured to let me, you know, go where I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>So I immediately went to the other side of the

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<v Speaker 2>room where there was nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>You said other people. Were there other humans on there?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, they're sure were, but I didn't pay attention

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<v Speaker 2>to them. I wanted to see out the window. So

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<v Speaker 2>I went and I looked out the window and there

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<v Speaker 2>was the Earth and it was curved. Wasn't a globe

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<v Speaker 2>way off in the distance. I don't know how high up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm estimating about five hundred feet. I really want to

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<v Speaker 2>pin that down because I do remember the exact curvature

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<v Speaker 2>that I was looking at. And it was so cool

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<v Speaker 2>because you can see pictures of the Earth from outer space,

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<v Speaker 2>but again, when you're there, it's a different story. Cameras

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<v Speaker 2>never do anything justice, really, So I was absolutely stunned

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<v Speaker 2>by that and turned around, and that's when I did

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<v Speaker 2>see two rows of people standing in the center of

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<v Speaker 2>this room about you know, I'm gonna say seven people

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<v Speaker 2>could have been ten in one row and right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of them another row. So I walked up to them,

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<v Speaker 2>very curious because they weren't moving. And I walked up

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in front to the side, and I looked

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<v Speaker 2>at them, and there was people of different ethnicities. I

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<v Speaker 2>specifically saw young black man, a white girl, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>different ancestries. So I walked up to the girl in

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<v Speaker 2>the end, I said, Hi, you know, my name's Preston.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your name? And that's when I noticed that she

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<v Speaker 2>was essentially catatonic, entranced, and she was one hundred percent hypnotizer.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. She was staring straight ahead and was

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<v Speaker 2>out of it. And I considered, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>reaching up and like hey, but it became clear to

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<v Speaker 2>me that that was not appropriate. All right, So I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll shoot, because the first thing you want to do

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<v Speaker 2>is talk to people and get verification. There's other people

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<v Speaker 2>there that are Earthlings. I want to get their names.

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<v Speaker 1>So I looked, did you find out what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on with them?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know. This was a pretty short experience all

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<v Speaker 2>in all. I'm not going to say that I remember

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<v Speaker 2>it in totality. But I think I do because the

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<v Speaker 2>next thing I did. I never felt any you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like suddenly any shifts where I'm passing out or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But I saw this Korean girl. I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, I worked with this Korean girl in

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<v Speaker 2>my office and looked just like her. It wasn't her,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was Asian and so she was fully conscious

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<v Speaker 2>and she's standing by the window there on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a railing around the whole window, around the

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<v Speaker 2>whole perimeter, I should say, so I walked up quickly

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<v Speaker 2>to I didn't run. I walked very quickly over to her,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was looking at her and I was about

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<v Speaker 2>to say, hey, you know, my name is Prenton. Preston,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you? But again, the sight of the earth

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<v Speaker 2>down below is very breathtaking. It really captures her attentions.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked down at that and at that moment, this

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<v Speaker 2>craft dropped down in one second five hundred miles to

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<v Speaker 2>the surface of the Earth ten feet up and then

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<v Speaker 2>it rocked slightly, which I could feel. I didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>any deceleration, any acceleration, no movement really, but when it's

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<v Speaker 2>tilted like a boat rocking slightly. I did feel that

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<v Speaker 2>or I saw it, and she right next to me

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<v Speaker 2>went wha. So she was having all kinds of fun too,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm looking out and my first thought is, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>where am I? And it was daytime and there was

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<v Speaker 2>a house out there. We were in a field and

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<v Speaker 2>the house was like just a short distance way, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying real quick to see but we were there

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<v Speaker 2>no more than a second, maybe three, and the ship

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<v Speaker 2>went right back up and again real fast. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I turned around and the tall gray mama quote mama

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<v Speaker 2>was motioning to me. So I walked over to her,

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<v Speaker 2>and she held up this glass tumbler. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>call it glass because that's what it looked like, but

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<v Speaker 2>very thick, thick, rimmed, very short, and it had a

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<v Speaker 2>green liquid in it, about a third fall of this

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<v Speaker 2>almost neon green liquid. And I'm thinking, wow, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>this reminds me of an article I wrote alien drinks,

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<v Speaker 2>which I did a whole study on and never really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of could figure out exactly what it was for,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's medicinal or nutritious or you know, along these lines.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, and she hands it to me and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of motions me to drink it. And I absolutely trust

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<v Speaker 2>this person, so there was no hesitation whoever on my

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<v Speaker 2>part other than I sniffed it because I want, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious what is this? And I couldn't really smell anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but I could see, you know, he's kind of way

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<v Speaker 2>it back and forth and it slashes in an unusual

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<v Speaker 2>way because it was thick. It was a thick liquid.

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<v Speaker 2>So I took a small sip. You know, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go up it. I took a small sip. I'm like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember what it tasted like?

417
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I do. It's not fully identifiable as anything here on earth,

418
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.640
<v Speaker 2>but the closest I can come up with is a

419
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:48.200
<v Speaker 2>mixture of lime and kiwi. Okay, it wasn't tart, it

420
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't overly sweet, but there wasn't there was a flavor

421
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:52.799
<v Speaker 2>to it.

422
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>And she didn't tell you what it was for, Nope.

423
00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:01.599
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't ask, which it's kind of strange because

424
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.680
<v Speaker 2>but you're, you know, you're in this situation. You're a

425
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.240
<v Speaker 2>little overwhelmed. Yeah, I'm a kid in a candy store.

426
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:14.839
<v Speaker 2>So she took it from my hand and then and

427
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I said, hey, you said this, I could have this,

428
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and she expressed surprise. I'm like, well, can I have

429
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.599
<v Speaker 2>another sip? And she looked at me like I was crazy,

430
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.440
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't say anything, but she said, okay, if you want.

431
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 2>But thinking was kind of like, you're okay. I'm not

432
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.240
<v Speaker 2>sure what's wrong with you, but if you really want

433
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>another sip, that's fine. And I took another sip and yeah,

434
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>that's when I did lose consciousness. Huh. So I don't

435
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:50.200
<v Speaker 2>remember leaving or how I left. I woke up in

436
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:55.599
<v Speaker 2>bed immediately. I mean, there was no transition other than

437
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm there in the ship awake and then I'm in

438
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 2>bed awake. So I did. And I immediately jumped up,

439
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>of course, and wrote it down. And next morning I

440
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 2>called Dolling and she's like, oh my god. I considered

441
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 2>the possibility that it was ob but well, you can

442
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:19.640
<v Speaker 2>eat obe and you can do a lot of the

443
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 2>things you can do here. There's just different qualities to it.

444
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:29.799
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I don't think it was not about experience.

445
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Since then, have you had any profound changes in your

446
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:41.079
<v Speaker 1>waking life, any downloads, even repeat experiences with the beings?

447
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.359
<v Speaker 2>No, that was the kind of last encounter I had.

448
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Really from that point, I have no sightings. Now. I

449
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 2>did have a download earlier years earlier, early on into

450
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:58.079
<v Speaker 2>my research, like who are these grays? This is driving

451
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 2>me crazy because I interview a lot of people and

452
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 2>most of them describe grays or some variation of grays,

453
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and some describe human looking ets, some describe mantids, little

454
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 2>blue beings. You start to get a variation of really

455
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.519
<v Speaker 2>strange humanoids as well, some really strange ones, which we

456
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 2>can get into if you want. But I'm like, God,

457
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.640
<v Speaker 2>the grays are dominating. What's going on here? Who are

458
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:31.759
<v Speaker 2>these guys? I feel like there's a close relationship with

459
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>us to them because people are basically hybridizing with them,

460
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and all often they will say things to contact me's

461
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>like you know, we are you, you are us, we

462
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>are one, we share a common heritage, we are your family,

463
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.079
<v Speaker 2>these kinds of things, right, And I was just kind

464
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.480
<v Speaker 2>of I went and there, I laid down and I

465
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 2>was meditating them. I meditate regularly, especially back then when

466
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I was really into it, and I'm meditating on that one.

467
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Suddenly I know people have described downloads to me, and

468
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.759
<v Speaker 2>I always ask questions about it because what the heck

469
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.319
<v Speaker 2>is a download? And people describe it as having suddenly

470
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 2>thoughts implanted into your head at high speed. And I

471
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.079
<v Speaker 2>finally got it because suddenly, you know, I'm not paralyzed

472
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.559
<v Speaker 2>or anything, but I am kind of because I am

473
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 2>now having this vision very clearly in my head of

474
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 2>this an image of a gentleman, you know, a man,

475
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>a normal looking guy, and suddenly he's not quite normal.

476
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.559
<v Speaker 2>He looks like he's suffering from radiation damage in that

477
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>his hair is starting to fall out, and his nose

478
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>is becoming damaged, kind of like radiation victims from Hiroshima. Almost,

479
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what came to my mind, I should say.

480
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 2>But the lift started getting smaller, and then it's flipping

481
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:05.480
<v Speaker 2>through like a deck of cards, real fast, anywhere from

482
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:10.720
<v Speaker 2>fifty to one hundred images of this same gentleman, and

483
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I just watched the nose kind of disappear intoto nostril slits,

484
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>the lips move or shrink, shrink, shrink, the ears go away,

485
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:24.759
<v Speaker 2>the head gets larger, the eyes increase, and then it

486
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.480
<v Speaker 2>stops on a full on gray And the message was

487
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:33.400
<v Speaker 2>that they are human, they have the same genes as

488
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>we do, and there was some indication that it was

489
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 2>due to radiation. I cannot fully so.

490
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 1>From either a past or future timeline or an alternate reality.

491
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 2>No, not the future, not an alternate reality. Just I

492
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't get that. You know, that was not the message.

493
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.799
<v Speaker 2>The message was that they were essentially human, shared human,

494
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:05.119
<v Speaker 2>that the differences we see are due to environmental factors,

495
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and that's it. So I felt wow. And yeah, it

496
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.240
<v Speaker 2>took a while to unpack because this was a lot

497
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.720
<v Speaker 2>of information all at once, but it was definitely what

498
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I would call it download, really the one and only

499
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>that I've ever had that I can point to. I mean,

500
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.359
<v Speaker 2>there was some weird instances in my past that are

501
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:29.039
<v Speaker 2>quite vague.

502
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:34.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to get into some of the experiences

503
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>that you've documented about people's abduction experiences. You mentioned with

504
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>yours you woke up in the middle of the night

505
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 1>and realized that you were floating through the wall. This

506
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>does happen often, but I think people's experiences get discounted

507
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 1>when they say they were sleeping or it was in

508
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.519
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night, just because most people want

509
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to conflate that with dreaming. And I've heard enough encounters

510
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 1>to know that there's a huge difference in the experience,

511
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's not a dream, especially in that person's experience.

512
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>But what I'm really interested in is the people's abduction

513
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:22.519
<v Speaker 1>experiences where they're having an everyday experience. They are driving,

514
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 1>or they're out in the woods hiking, they're completely lucid,

515
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.839
<v Speaker 1>no sleeping or day dreaming or drugs or anything. The

516
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>next thing they know, they're on a craft. I'm sure

517
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 1>you've written about these type of experiences before, right.

518
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh, sure, Yeah. There's a certainly a lot of cases

519
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>where people are in bed. In fact, you're going to

520
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>see a gray or any team most likely place to

521
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.440
<v Speaker 2>see when it's in your bedroom, waking up and there

522
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.359
<v Speaker 2>they are. But yeah, I've got a number of cases

523
00:33:56.079 --> 00:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>where people had encounters for they were fully awake. One

524
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that comes to mind is a gentleman I enterwed. But

525
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Cannon, who's a Navy medic. I confirmed that confirmed

526
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.280
<v Speaker 2>of employment in fact, checking on his case to the

527
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:17.599
<v Speaker 2>extent that you can, and he was a Navy medic

528
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 2>on this ship which was in oh gosh, the Philippines area.

529
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 2>I'd have to look that up. Somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean.

530
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I believe seventy eight thereabouts and at any rate, he

531
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:40.320
<v Speaker 2>shared a cabin with another gentleman and they became good friends.

532
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>And his friend, I'll call him Peter, that's not his

533
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>real name, was fearless. Whenever they go to ports, he

534
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.440
<v Speaker 2>would like just gobble up the foreign delicacies of fish

535
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:58.199
<v Speaker 2>eye soup or whatever it was, which kind of amazed

536
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Kevin because the guy was just absolutely fearless. And they're

537
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:05.519
<v Speaker 2>talking and one day Peter's like, you know, I'm a

538
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 2>contact ee. I'm in touch with aliens. And Kevin's like, what, Like, no,

539
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>for real? You know, they've been taken me since I

540
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.719
<v Speaker 2>was a little boy. I've been on their ship, They've

541
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.159
<v Speaker 2>taken me to their planet and so forth. Now, Kevin

542
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of believes in UFOs because he did a report

543
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>when he was a young kid in school and found

544
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>out UFOs were real. But he's like, you're you're kidding me.

545
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 2>You know this is not. He's a navy guy. He

546
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 2>used much more colorful language, so I'm paraphrasing them. Yeah,

547
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:46.679
<v Speaker 2>But Peter's like, no, for real, you know, And Kevin says, well,

548
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.559
<v Speaker 2>if that's true, I want to meet your little green friends.

549
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.159
<v Speaker 2>And Peter's like, okay, I'm in contact with them all

550
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the time. I'll ask them. And it was a couple

551
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 2>of days later he's like, oh, they took me and

552
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 2>you and I went to your house. And Kevin's like,

553
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about. We're on the ship. He's like,

554
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.159
<v Speaker 2>they can take me anywhere, and started to describe Kevin's

555
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>house in detail and correctly. So this was stunning to him,

556
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.760
<v Speaker 2>and he's thinking, is this guy a CI agent. There's

557
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.239
<v Speaker 2>no way you could know these details. He knows for

558
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>sure that there was no shortly at this time, so

559
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>none of this made sense because the details were very specific,

560
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>down to shag rug milks, shakestain on a car. I mean,

561
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.079
<v Speaker 2>just weird minute details, you know, even a psychic have

562
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>a hard time with. And Peter tells him that they

563
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 2>said they'll come for you. It should happen in a

564
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:47.400
<v Speaker 2>couple of days. You'll be ready. So Kevin's still thinking, yeah, right.

565
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 2>So a couple of days go by, it's high noon.

566
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Their cabin is not far from the deck of the ship.

567
00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:01.119
<v Speaker 2>This is a six hundred foot long shit and Peter

568
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>comes into the cabin. N Kevin's about to go to lunch,

569
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and Peter's like, they're up on you know, go up

570
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 2>on the deck, you'll see them. They're ready for you.

571
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>So Kevin's still thinking, right, So he goes up on deck,

572
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and sure enough, there's this gigantic UFO about a quarter

573
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:25.239
<v Speaker 2>mile off from the ship, as big as the ship,

574
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's flashing all these colored lights. Now there's a dozen,

575
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of people up on the deck there.

576
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.159
<v Speaker 2>So he's completely stunned because none of them are paying

577
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 2>any attention to this. And it seems impossible because it's

578
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.599
<v Speaker 2>very striking an appearance. He says, it was absolutely beautiful

579
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.639
<v Speaker 2>and it was flashing prismatic colors. It's no way you

580
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.639
<v Speaker 2>can't notice this thing. So he runs up to the

581
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>mess cook I think it was, and starts shaking him

582
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 2>on the shoulder, like look, look, look, and the guy

583
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 2>will not pay attention to him. It's like he doesn't

584
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:04.920
<v Speaker 2>even exist. And the next thing Kevin knows is he's

585
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 2>looking down at this navy ship and it's getting smaller

586
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 2>and smaller and smaller, and he realizes he's on board

587
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:16.280
<v Speaker 2>of his craft, just like a snap of a finger.

588
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:20.840
<v Speaker 2>And it was weird because he could see through the

589
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.159
<v Speaker 2>side of the wall of this craft He looked down

590
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.039
<v Speaker 2>at the floor. It was kind of like a metal grating,

591
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>and he was afraid to turn around at this point

592
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:33.320
<v Speaker 2>because he's going into straight on panic and he's thinking,

593
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm a law you know, I am in real trouble here, right,

594
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.679
<v Speaker 2>And a male voice said, they don't even know you're gone.

595
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.280
<v Speaker 2>So now he's really freaking out. He sees a console

596
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 2>that's coming up to his neck, a bit too high

597
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 2>for a noble person and very sparse in terms of details.

598
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 2>A couple of colored buttons or knobs. It's really not sure,

599
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:04.000
<v Speaker 2>but it was not a whole lot to it. So

600
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 2>he's like starting to ask questions, and he said, are

601
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 2>you going to eat me? It was his first question,

602
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.559
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, no, we're not going to eat you.

603
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.519
<v Speaker 2>You watch way too much horror. He said, well, what

604
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 2>do you eat? Oh, we eat fish and vegetables. We

605
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.159
<v Speaker 2>eat the same things you do. And they started to

606
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 2>have this long telepathic conversation with two male voices who

607
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:36.920
<v Speaker 2>spoke absolute perfect English with no accent. And he asked

608
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 2>about Roswell and they said, yes, that did happen. He asked,

609
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>do our governments have et technology? And they said yes,

610
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.960
<v Speaker 2>that all the governments. All the major governments have ET

611
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>technology and are aware of extraterrestrials.

612
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Did he see the being he was speaking with?

613
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Eventually, Yeah, after this conversation, he said, where are you from?

614
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.440
<v Speaker 2>And he said, he gave me this look. You know,

615
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I interviewed him face to face and he gave me

616
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:11.599
<v Speaker 2>this look, like, do I tell this guy who's never

617
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:16.159
<v Speaker 2>going to believe this? He said, well, you know, the

618
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>room changed size it was I'm like, how big was it?

619
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>He said, well, it's about forty feet maybe fifty rounded

620
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:29.239
<v Speaker 2>room from what he could see, and then it absolutely

621
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 2>expanded to about one hundred feet wide. And they showed

622
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.840
<v Speaker 2>him this holographic star chart and he could see the

623
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.119
<v Speaker 2>solar system and it shrank down until it was almost nothing,

624
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:43.119
<v Speaker 2>and there's a big bright red light off in the

625
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>far far distance started blinking and I'm like, that's our star,

626
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:50.199
<v Speaker 2>that's our star system. And named it and I'm like, well,

627
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 2>what did they name it? He's like, I couldn't possibly

628
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.280
<v Speaker 2>tell you. It was a long word with a lot

629
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:59.760
<v Speaker 2>of consonants. But then the pretty involved encounter. They took

630
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.440
<v Speaker 2>him to his hometown. He could he looked through the

631
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 2>transparent section of that he was looking, showed him Kankakee, Illinois.

632
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.599
<v Speaker 2>It was daytime there, so this was not quite jiving

633
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.519
<v Speaker 2>with where he was. So it was almost like time travel,

634
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:18.719
<v Speaker 2>he said, because he could see his mom looking a

635
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 2>little younger, where she worked as a school teacher, and

636
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 2>then showed him his moved over to the bank building

637
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 2>where his dad worked was having a you know, managerial

638
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 2>meeting in the center room of this building, and looked

639
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.920
<v Speaker 2>through the walls, through the air conditioner ducks all the

640
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 2>way so he could see his father, and they tell him, well,

641
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 2>your parents did a good job with you. You know,

642
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.639
<v Speaker 2>they're good people. They did a good job. And he's thinking, what,

643
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, what are you talking about? You know me?

644
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.400
<v Speaker 2>You know my parents. This is crazy that the next

645
00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, he says, a lot happened. He doesn't have

646
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:04.719
<v Speaker 2>the complete order of this, maybe correctly, but they showed

647
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.679
<v Speaker 2>him what looked like a bombing range and he's thinking,

648
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:11.599
<v Speaker 2>look at those craters, this is crazy. Is this Arizona?

649
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Where the heck is this? And then it came over

650
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the horizon and he saw the Earth and it was

651
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.480
<v Speaker 2>a little globe and he's like, oh my god, this

652
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>is the moon. And he says, I nearly crept my

653
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 2>pants at that point.

654
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Hm.

655
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:29.079
<v Speaker 2>He actually pinched himself so hard he bled, thinking, you know,

656
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:35.599
<v Speaker 2>am I going crazy? Here? Am I hallucinating? And the

657
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:39.000
<v Speaker 2>ets told him that they know all the languages of

658
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>our planet. They told him quite a few things he

659
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 2>asked about. They said, we will not discuss religion or politics,

660
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>which I don't know why that makes me laugh, but

661
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's kind of something hot button topics you're

662
00:42:54.480 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>not supposed to bring up at parties. I guess so divisive. Yeah,

663
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>And they told him a bunch of other stuff. But

664
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 2>what was most interesting was they said, when you started

665
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.840
<v Speaker 2>exploding nuclear bombs, this caused a lot of attention to

666
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.280
<v Speaker 2>be paid to you by all different types of ets.

667
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.639
<v Speaker 2>And you started what they called a countdown clock. And

668
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:21.559
<v Speaker 2>they proceeded to show him all these disasters on Earth.

669
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.719
<v Speaker 2>This is a very common message from E. T's They

670
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:31.000
<v Speaker 2>showed him hurricanes and mud slides and tidal waves and

671
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 2>earthquakes and just environmental havoc, clim climactic havoc. And he said,

672
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:42.800
<v Speaker 2>mostly hurricanes actually, And they said these events cannot be stopped.

673
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 2>They will happen. It's because of what you've done, and

674
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.840
<v Speaker 2>they warned him against the use of nuclear material and

675
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>he said, what do you look like? They said, we're

676
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 2>not little, and we're not green, and our appearance scares

677
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:04.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. And he's like, well, what do

678
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Speaker 2>you look like? They said, we'll turn around and you

679
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 2>can see. So he turns around and he did get

680
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.440
<v Speaker 2>really scared at this point because they were praying mantis.

681
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>And he described this very eloquently. He's a trained observer,

682
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's in the military. This is a great witness.

683
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I've interviewed him a dozen times. I got him on

684
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:31.280
<v Speaker 2>the radio once. Witnesses buying large don't want any attention,

685
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.559
<v Speaker 2>but he felt it was important to have his story known.

686
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:40.159
<v Speaker 2>And he said that they were on these what looked

687
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 2>like white stone chairs, almost thrown like on a wide

688
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Speaker 2>circular dais, you know, it's like a stage. There was

689
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.719
<v Speaker 2>three of them, and one stood up and he could

690
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.320
<v Speaker 2>now see that, yeah, these were praying mantis. Said their

691
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 2>eyes were the size of basketball, their heads were so

692
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:09.480
<v Speaker 2>huge they radiated intelligence. And he said that these one

693
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 2>walked up to him and started fussing with the panel

694
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:15.719
<v Speaker 2>and it was right next to him. He said, this

695
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 2>thing was fifteen feet tall. Now. I kind of protested

696
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:21.920
<v Speaker 2>at that point because you know, I hear nine feet tall.

697
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.480
<v Speaker 2>That's the tallest I've ever heard up until that point,

698
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:32.239
<v Speaker 2>at least, I've never heard feet tall. Think I've read

699
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 2>very few accounts, but very few. And so I kind

700
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.440
<v Speaker 2>of pushed back, and he's like, listen, you can see me.

701
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm six foot three. Yeah, these were more than twice

702
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 2>my height. It was like looking up at a basketball backboard. Yeah.

703
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 2>And so it turns in he can see its hands

704
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:56.599
<v Speaker 2>are kind of claw like. They're bone white, absolutely white,

705
00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:01.880
<v Speaker 2>with big, big, dark eyes and kind of tilted its head,

706
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.679
<v Speaker 2>looked over him, and it said, do you want to

707
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>go to our planet? And he said, no, take me back.

708
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 2>And that's another point where I pushed back. I'm like, what,

709
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.559
<v Speaker 2>why didn't you want to? He says, I was shaken

710
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>in my boots.

711
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

712
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, did they do anything to you? Did they examine? No?

713
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:28.440
<v Speaker 2>He did not remember any of that, but he says

714
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.039
<v Speaker 2>I felt like a bug next to them, ironically, because

715
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 2>they are the ones to kind of look bug like.

716
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>But he says, I didn't want to become a specimen.

717
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know these guys. He did not think this

718
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:44.280
<v Speaker 2>was actually going to happen. But she asked for it,

719
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, he asked for it. He got it. So

720
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 2>he's like, no, take me home. I'm like, okay, what happened?

721
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.880
<v Speaker 2>It reached forward and grabbed me by the shoulder. That

722
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:59.519
<v Speaker 2>was too much for him, because this set him off

723
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 2>into absolute hysteria and he fainted. And he woke up

724
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.199
<v Speaker 2>and he was back not on the you know, the

725
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:12.639
<v Speaker 2>deck of the ship. He was back in his cabin

726
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.039
<v Speaker 2>and he was hovered in sweat, and he was hyper

727
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 2>vower and he's trying to orient himself. You know. In

728
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:25.039
<v Speaker 2>these cabins they had curtains like in a hospital that

729
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 2>will give you some measure of privacy. The curtain whosh

730
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:33.639
<v Speaker 2>is open, and there's his friend Peter, grinning from ear

731
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:37.719
<v Speaker 2>to ear, really eager and smiling and sense so, how

732
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:43.639
<v Speaker 2>did you like your ride? Kevin said that that was

733
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.800
<v Speaker 2>the last time I wanted to talk to that guy.

734
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.760
<v Speaker 2>They got in a fight. He said, how dare you

735
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:57.159
<v Speaker 2>do that to me? We're no longer friends. I hate you. Oh,

736
00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.280
<v Speaker 2>and they get it.

737
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I could see how that could be traumatizing.

738
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he forgot a lot of this. He remembered,

739
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, getting pulled on board. He couldn't remember what

740
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 2>they looked like. For the longest time, he would just

741
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.119
<v Speaker 2>have these flashbacks which were too much for him, and

742
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:19.559
<v Speaker 2>he just pushed it out of his mind until he

743
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:25.159
<v Speaker 2>had an honorable discharge some years later and says that

744
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 2>he was watching a nature show with his wife. I'm

745
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.880
<v Speaker 2>still in contact with her. He passed about two or

746
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:35.239
<v Speaker 2>three years ago, and he was watching a nature show

747
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>and on comes this close up of a praying mantis,

748
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:45.039
<v Speaker 2>and that set him into complete pharoxysms because it all

749
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.159
<v Speaker 2>came rushing back. That's what I call a Q.

750
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

751
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.159
<v Speaker 2>So I've got a number of cases like that where

752
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 2>people had a queue, because most people will have missing time.

753
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's one fully conscious encounter.

754
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. Let me ask you, that's pretty wild. Most

755
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>of the encounters that you research and write about are

756
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>positive encounters. I have heard many negative encounters, not as

757
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.000
<v Speaker 1>many as I have heard positive encounters. But depending on

758
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.679
<v Speaker 1>who you speak with in uifology or even the conspiracy space,

759
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 1>many will say that there are very negative extraterrestrials in

760
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>cahoots with the ruling class of our planet. That's why

761
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:41.760
<v Speaker 1>the anti human ideologies are so prevalent right now because

762
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:47.599
<v Speaker 1>negative extraterrestrials are pulling some strings in our reality. Would

763
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:48.360
<v Speaker 1>you agree with that?

764
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:53.039
<v Speaker 2>No, I wouldn't. All right, I do not cherry pick

765
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:57.480
<v Speaker 2>or do any shoe fitting or editing or censoring. You know,

766
00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.480
<v Speaker 2>if someone has an encounter and they want to share it,

767
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm all in, And I just I'm not getting those accounts.

768
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:09.039
<v Speaker 2>So I questioned that, and I questioned some of the

769
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 2>researchers who are putting that forth, and frankly some of it.

770
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:16.079
<v Speaker 2>And I'll put this in quote contacteaes. I do think

771
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:18.599
<v Speaker 2>my labs might be one of the sources of this.

772
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I did get one case of a gentleman who is

773
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:25.480
<v Speaker 2>clearly my lab, and he was a great witness with

774
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 2>wonderful encounters throughout his childhood. That turned bad when he

775
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:33.679
<v Speaker 2>got pulled into the military at a very young age

776
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:37.559
<v Speaker 2>and went to Camp Pendleton. And that sent shivers down

777
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.280
<v Speaker 2>my spine because Pendleton keeps coming up as a place

778
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:45.320
<v Speaker 2>that people go in and they don't come out fully okay.

779
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 1>And these are the military abductions where military will orchestrate

780
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.079
<v Speaker 1>an extraterrestrial experience for the person.

781
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Right correct, And he says they full on put him

782
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Speaker 2>under in drugs, injected him. Yeah, they set him down

783
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.719
<v Speaker 2>in a chair. There was a little spinning wheel with

784
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:11.719
<v Speaker 2>the white black lines. They hypnotized him. They broke him

785
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:13.880
<v Speaker 2>off on a blacked out bus with a bunch of

786
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:18.079
<v Speaker 2>other people and showed him all kinds of stuff apparently

787
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.679
<v Speaker 2>at UFO and Hanger, and then they said we're going

788
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to bring someone out and none of you are to

789
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.679
<v Speaker 2>break rank. So mind you, this is a marine. Marines

790
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:33.440
<v Speaker 2>are pretty tough, and this is a great guy. I mean,

791
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:39.440
<v Speaker 2>he's absolutely this very philanthropic guy. He's done some amazing

792
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:43.599
<v Speaker 2>work to help people. Very intelligent guy at any rate.

793
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 2>He's there with a group of other soldiers and being

794
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 2>told do not break rank. Whatever happens, and they march

795
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:57.880
<v Speaker 2>in this seven foot tall reptilian who doesn't no tail

796
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:05.199
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that of chest plate on. He says

797
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't really tell what it was dressed like because

798
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 2>it walked right up to these men and they all

799
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 2>broke rank, all of them except him, and so it

800
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:18.199
<v Speaker 2>walked right up to him. Now I'm interviewing him and

801
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 2>he starts weeping. I mean, he is a mess. And

802
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I said, listen, you know, if this is too much

803
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:28.639
<v Speaker 2>for you, we can you know, you don't have to

804
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.639
<v Speaker 2>do this. We can do this another time if you want,

805
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:38.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, not intention to cause you emotional distress, right,

806
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:40.360
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, no, listen, I got to get through this.

807
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:45.679
<v Speaker 2>I've got to tell somebody and basically said, okay, what

808
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:47.519
<v Speaker 2>did it look like? And he started crying. He's like,

809
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you because I was too darn scared.

810
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.719
<v Speaker 2>What I can tell you because he couldn't describe the hands,

811
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, the clothes really much at all. He did

812
00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>see a badge of some kind with a dragon like

813
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 2>or a serpent, and you said the eyes were very snakelike,

814
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and it had scally skin, and it was massive in

815
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:22.480
<v Speaker 2>terms of the shoulder, with very broad shoulders, incredibly muscular,

816
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:31.800
<v Speaker 2>seven feet tall, reptilian type mouth, reptilian nose, and just

817
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.119
<v Speaker 2>scared the living daylights out of him. And he blacked

818
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 2>out at that point.

819
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 1>So do you think the military is working with reptilian beings?

820
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.599
<v Speaker 2>That's the only case I ever got of that. And

821
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't want want to say that, yes, because we

822
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:51.559
<v Speaker 2>talked about that. I'm like, do you think you were

823
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:56.199
<v Speaker 2>my lab? I ended up writing about his case, and

824
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I think my book on board uf Phone Connor is

825
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:03.519
<v Speaker 2>my bestseller. And you know, we ended up calling that

826
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.320
<v Speaker 2>chapter the experiment because I listen, I was the victim

827
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:10.719
<v Speaker 2>of an experiment. He grew up in military housing. A

828
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of weird stuff like this was happening to him

829
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.960
<v Speaker 2>from day one. But he was a contact at a

830
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 2>very young age and it was fine. He had a

831
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:22.119
<v Speaker 2>real good time with it.

832
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 1>I've heard this many times, especially with people who are

833
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:31.199
<v Speaker 1>in intelligence or military families. They will have those terrifying

834
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:36.760
<v Speaker 1>encounters and there's oftentimes reptilian beings involved. So I have

835
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.960
<v Speaker 1>to wonder if there may be at least this negative

836
00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:47.360
<v Speaker 1>faction of reptilian extraterrestrials that are working with branches of

837
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 1>our intelligence or military.

838
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't have enough cass that I personally research or

839
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that I trust to say so. I have ran into

840
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:01.599
<v Speaker 2>reptilian cases a few times, and they were not hostile.

841
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I've heard that as well, and from what.

842
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:08.039
<v Speaker 2>I understand, because that's the only one well that even

843
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.199
<v Speaker 2>wasn't associated with the UFO. None of them have had

844
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:14.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, they weren't necessarily on board a UFO, right,

845
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean out in the wilderness is where I've gotten

846
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:19.159
<v Speaker 2>reports of people seeing.

847
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:23.599
<v Speaker 1>I've also heard underground bases taken to military facilities things

848
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:24.320
<v Speaker 1>of that nature.

849
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there are military underground bases. I mean,

850
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.599
<v Speaker 2>the military is neck deep in this. This is something

851
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.840
<v Speaker 2>we do know, and that's not speculation. That's demonstrably true.

852
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:40.400
<v Speaker 2>We've got documentation and a whole army of whistleblowers enough

853
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.239
<v Speaker 2>to say that this is a subject that our government,

854
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:48.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'll use that term loosely, the intelligence agencies, the military,

855
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:54.440
<v Speaker 2>highest levels of the military military industrial complex are absolutely

856
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:59.000
<v Speaker 2>taking seriously and studying and putting tons of money, time

857
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and effort too. But what do you think he ultimately

858
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.320
<v Speaker 2>decided that these guys were demonic? Only guy I ever

859
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 2>had that said that. One guy felt like, oh, they're

860
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:15.599
<v Speaker 2>gins because he had a host of very strange experiences

861
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.760
<v Speaker 2>that with a lot of paranormal stuff. But having interviewed

862
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 2>several hundred people, almost all of them feel like, no,

863
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:28.599
<v Speaker 2>these were people ets. And it is a mixed bag.

864
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.119
<v Speaker 2>It's now puppies and rainbows by any means, because it

865
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:36.159
<v Speaker 2>can be very scary for people. But what I'm not getting,

866
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just want to emphasize this a little bit

867
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:42.400
<v Speaker 2>is what I would call outright sadistic behavior like we

868
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.400
<v Speaker 2>see on Earth where people are murdered and as salted

869
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.719
<v Speaker 2>and so forth. The scariest I get is the physical exam,

870
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:52.320
<v Speaker 2>which can be occasionally be painful.

871
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of what do you think is the purpose of

872
00:56:55.519 --> 00:57:00.760
<v Speaker 1>these physical exams? What interest do the ones that actually

873
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 1>take us and tinker with us, what interest do they

874
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:05.639
<v Speaker 1>have in humans?

875
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's been a lot of speculation about this, and

876
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to say that they're experimenting on people,

877
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>because I think what we're looking at. Thomas Bullard, a

878
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:23.880
<v Speaker 2>very early pioneering researcher, did a statistical analysis and study

879
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 2>of three hundred on board cases and found that the

880
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:34.000
<v Speaker 2>physical exam is the single most common experience that people

881
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:37.480
<v Speaker 2>have when they're taken on board, which is absolutely true

882
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.719
<v Speaker 2>in my own files and those of other major researchers.

883
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 2>So if there's something going on here, and some of

884
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:48.360
<v Speaker 2>my first cases involved healing, which I thought was really

885
00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:52.480
<v Speaker 2>interesting because we didn't are we weren't hearing anything about that.

886
00:57:54.079 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 2>But what we see this examination very frequently people are like, well,

887
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:02.679
<v Speaker 2>don't they know enough about the human body? Why do

888
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.760
<v Speaker 2>they keep doing this? And some people have gotten information

889
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.360
<v Speaker 2>on this and it appears to be a simple checkup.

890
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:15.239
<v Speaker 2>They're checking to make sure that that person is healthy,

891
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:21.239
<v Speaker 2>their genetics are okay, that you know, all the things

892
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:26.679
<v Speaker 2>a normal doctor would do, and healing takes place at

893
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:30.639
<v Speaker 2>least at least twenty percent of the time. Moufan did

894
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:33.159
<v Speaker 2>a study they found ten percent. In my own files,

895
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:37.039
<v Speaker 2>it's edging more towards thirty percent. But the Free study,

896
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:42.199
<v Speaker 2>which is the biggest study, found fifty percent, which is

897
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:46.840
<v Speaker 2>exactly what Edith Fiori, PhD found with her clients. She

898
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:50.119
<v Speaker 2>was a very early researcher as well. So I think

899
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the quote agendas. It's it's a simple checkup.

900
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:59.800
<v Speaker 2>They're following certain family lines. Certain family lines have genetics

901
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.760
<v Speaker 2>think that they find optimal for us and perhaps for

902
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>them to some degree.

903
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:09.239
<v Speaker 1>So it's not everyone. You don't think everyone's being taken

904
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>on some level.

905
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:14.960
<v Speaker 2>On some level, yeah, I didn't, But I was interviewing

906
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:17.599
<v Speaker 2>this guy from England, who, by the way, does not

907
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.920
<v Speaker 2>like the Grays. He says it's been a negative experience

908
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:24.320
<v Speaker 2>for him. I asked him, are they evil? No, not

909
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:27.159
<v Speaker 2>one person has ever since. These are outright evil well

910
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:31.199
<v Speaker 2>except for the marine. But he admits like he's he's garbled.

911
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:35.280
<v Speaker 2>He does not know to what extent his experiences are real.

912
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:39.480
<v Speaker 2>And what's my lad? He says, I think everyone because

913
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.880
<v Speaker 2>he had this experience that his was another experience where

914
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:48.320
<v Speaker 2>he's fully conscious. He's remembering this stuff without He's never

915
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:52.159
<v Speaker 2>done hypnosis, but remember this stuff fully consciously. And he

916
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:56.119
<v Speaker 2>was pulled on board once. Often he'll just be in

917
00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:58.599
<v Speaker 2>his room and he knows they're coming, he's away. He

918
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:02.400
<v Speaker 2>punched one in the face, once kicked another one. They

919
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:04.079
<v Speaker 2>were not happy about that, because he could kind of

920
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:09.039
<v Speaker 2>feel them coming. Or he'd wake up and he'd pulled

921
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.679
<v Speaker 2>out his window and then he'd black out. Sometimes he didn't,

922
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.719
<v Speaker 2>and a number of times he didn't. Once he found

923
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 2>himself on board and there was this human looking woman

924
01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:24.000
<v Speaker 2>who was very amorous and she wanted to get into it,

925
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and she was very attractive, and he's hammering her with

926
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.159
<v Speaker 2>questions and she just keeps looking sad and saying, I

927
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:32.920
<v Speaker 2>can't tell you, you know, I can't tell you that

928
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 2>He had the distinct impression that she had been raised there.

929
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:40.760
<v Speaker 2>She was wholly human looking, but had never been on earth.

930
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:44.960
<v Speaker 2>She didn't say that this was his impression. She just

931
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 2>wanted to make out pull on. He's married, so he's

932
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:51.199
<v Speaker 2>feeling guilt. At the same time, this woman is coming

933
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:55.239
<v Speaker 2>at him hard and she's very attractive, and so he's

934
01:00:55.239 --> 01:01:00.039
<v Speaker 2>got this kind of push Paul like no, well, and

935
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.199
<v Speaker 2>she's trying to get him down on the ground and

936
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:06.159
<v Speaker 2>he's examining the room. He starts to turn around and

937
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:09.039
<v Speaker 2>she's like, no, no, don't look there. Well, go ahead

938
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Speaker 2>say that. No he has to luck, yeah, because why

939
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.440
<v Speaker 2>not sex, saying don't be afraid? Well, why would you

940
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:19.960
<v Speaker 2>say that? Now I'm afraid. A lot of people have

941
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:21.440
<v Speaker 2>told me about like, well, you had to go and

942
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 2>say that, now I'm afraid. So he turns around and

943
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.760
<v Speaker 2>got a real shock because this was a room the

944
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:33.840
<v Speaker 2>size of a hangar, a gymnasium, and he said, these

945
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 2>must have seen over one hundred people humans in various

946
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:44.000
<v Speaker 2>states of consciousness, most kind of entranced, some asleep. But

947
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:50.800
<v Speaker 2>they were hooked up, men and women doing it. And that's,

948
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:52.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, the best way I can say it without

949
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:53.400
<v Speaker 2>being really graphic.

950
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Making This is something I hear more often than you

951
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:03.800
<v Speaker 1>would think, Aliens trying to have sex with people trying

952
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:07.280
<v Speaker 1>to seduce them in some way. They also have the

953
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:12.320
<v Speaker 1>hybridization aspect, where some people are introduced to what is

954
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.440
<v Speaker 1>said to be their children on different craft, so.

955
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.599
<v Speaker 2>A lot of that, but these were not ets. These

956
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:21.280
<v Speaker 2>were humans. You did see two grays walk by and

957
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:23.920
<v Speaker 2>he jumped up, and she's like, just pay no attention

958
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:26.400
<v Speaker 2>to them. They don't matter, you know, they're not going

959
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:29.119
<v Speaker 2>to bother you. But he's looking at all these people

960
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and starts hammering her with questions, and she pulls them

961
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:39.920
<v Speaker 2>into another room, and she was just exuding kind of

962
01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:45.719
<v Speaker 2>not sadness, but frustration, kind of melancholy a little bit,

963
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:50.079
<v Speaker 2>because she had all kinds of questions for him about

964
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:55.159
<v Speaker 2>what earth like was like Earth life. She was very,

965
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:59.000
<v Speaker 2>very interested in all of that, and that was essentially

966
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the end of that encounter. But yeah, he told me,

967
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:06.920
<v Speaker 2>he's like, listen, I think everyone's being taken. I don't

968
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:11.639
<v Speaker 2>think hardly anyone remembers. For some reason, I do. And

969
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I asked Dolly Saffron about that. She's another what I

970
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:17.119
<v Speaker 2>would call fully conscious contactee, and she's like, oh, yes,

971
01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:21.760
<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of people. It's not absolutely everyone's being

972
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:25.079
<v Speaker 2>taken on board, but we are all known to them

973
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:29.360
<v Speaker 2>and every person has had some level of contact, which

974
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.280
<v Speaker 2>makes sense to me because j Allen Heinek, who we

975
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:35.440
<v Speaker 2>all know, father of modern eufology, part of Blue Book,

976
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.519
<v Speaker 2>he defected, he wrote his own books. This quoted as

977
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.440
<v Speaker 2>saying one in forty people have been on board a craft,

978
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:48.239
<v Speaker 2>which is of course millions. And that was followed up

979
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:53.079
<v Speaker 2>by the Roper Survey organization. They did a poll which

980
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:55.960
<v Speaker 2>found one in fifty people show the markers of being

981
01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:01.679
<v Speaker 2>a contactee. So it's if not everybody almost.

982
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's safe to say there are multiple

983
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:11.360
<v Speaker 1>different races of beings with multiple different intentions and agenda's

984
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.679
<v Speaker 1>desired outcomes for humanity.

985
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.599
<v Speaker 2>It's a true question, because I wouldn't quite put it

986
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:23.079
<v Speaker 2>that way. There's some truth to that. First of all,

987
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to push back on the idea that these

988
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:31.840
<v Speaker 2>are different races because from what I'm understanding, genetics, human

989
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:36.920
<v Speaker 2>genetics as we would think of it humanoid is very consistent,

990
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and that this is why we see cross what we

991
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:44.199
<v Speaker 2>would call cross breeding. Okay, but you know when someone

992
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, when there's a black person who mates with

993
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.440
<v Speaker 2>a white person, you don't call that child a hybrid. Now,

994
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:53.079
<v Speaker 2>it's just someone with mixed ancestry. So that's what we're seeing.

995
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:57.679
<v Speaker 2>These beings are all humanoid. They're all essentially human, but

996
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:03.239
<v Speaker 2>have very different ancestry, very different. But because this is

997
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:07.960
<v Speaker 2>the et message, we all share a common heritage. So

998
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:12.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that they're different species. I think maybe some,

999
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:17.000
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. Dolly saffrage. She tells me no, no,

1000
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:22.280
<v Speaker 2>they're all human essentially, which is the message a lot

1001
01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:25.360
<v Speaker 2>of contactees get. But as far as agendas, well, certainly

1002
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:30.320
<v Speaker 2>there's different agendas. I think the Grays in particular have

1003
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:36.440
<v Speaker 2>a real strong agenda with upholding human genetics, collecting animals, plants,

1004
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:42.159
<v Speaker 2>because we're facing an existential crisis. Species are dying, you know,

1005
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.400
<v Speaker 2>every year in large numbers, so I think that's one

1006
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:51.159
<v Speaker 2>of their agendas is to make sure that none of

1007
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:58.320
<v Speaker 2>this is permanently extinct. But we see many different agendas.

1008
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:01.320
<v Speaker 2>One is absolutely to keep tabs in our technology. We

1009
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.599
<v Speaker 2>know this because they hover over any jam and Coral

1010
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Lorenzen were able to predict sightings because they said whenever

1011
01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:10.599
<v Speaker 2>there was a new factory built, a new power plant,

1012
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.880
<v Speaker 2>UFOs would show up. So it looks very much like

1013
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.920
<v Speaker 2>they're keeping tabs on our technology. I did a whole

1014
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.719
<v Speaker 2>study of that with rocket launches. Anytime there's a rocket launch,

1015
01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:24.960
<v Speaker 2>you can bet a UFO is going to show up.

1016
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I've got get this, Chris. I've got three cases of

1017
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:35.400
<v Speaker 2>people who launch toy rockets, little toy rockets, and UFO

1018
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:39.760
<v Speaker 2>has showed up to monitor that. So this is how

1019
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:44.880
<v Speaker 2>close they're monitoring our technology. That's absolutely an agenda. Another

1020
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I think would be tourism, which sounds crazy, but you

1021
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:55.920
<v Speaker 2>see case after case of people who rush outside and

1022
01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:00.320
<v Speaker 2>there's this craft and there's people, men and women, only

1023
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.320
<v Speaker 2>human looking for kind of just looking down and smiling

1024
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and waving and going on by.

1025
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Would you say that there are some that don't respect

1026
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:15.400
<v Speaker 1>our free will. Some of these experiences seem extremely invasive.

1027
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.760
<v Speaker 1>And when you're telling me there's people, groups of people

1028
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:23.039
<v Speaker 1>in trances or not only in trances, being made to

1029
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:27.000
<v Speaker 1>have intercourse while in a trance, I have to wonder

1030
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:30.039
<v Speaker 1>if these people even agreed to this on any level,

1031
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:33.239
<v Speaker 1>or if it's just based on that alien agenda.

1032
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:37.159
<v Speaker 2>You see a bell curve here. And this is a

1033
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<v Speaker 2>very hot button topic, hot potato. It's very controversial because

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<v Speaker 2>I've interviewed a number of contactees who felt very violated.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the number one complaint, Like they're appearing in

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<v Speaker 2>my bedroom, they're taking me without my will. I have

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01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:56.280
<v Speaker 2>no control over this. Those three things. I didn't ask

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01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:01.000
<v Speaker 2>for this. I don't have any control doing it against

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01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.920
<v Speaker 2>my permission. But then this is where it gets tricky,

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01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:07.239
<v Speaker 2>because these same people who I keep in touch with

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01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:13.039
<v Speaker 2>when it happens. Initially, this is the trigger response. I

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01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't ask for this. Who the f are you? Get

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01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:19.680
<v Speaker 2>out of my house? I don't like this, And it's

1044
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:23.000
<v Speaker 2>incredibly scary when you find yourself on a craft. But

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01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:25.800
<v Speaker 2>by and large, these people are going to have another encounter,

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01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:29.119
<v Speaker 2>and then another, and then by the fourth fifth time

1047
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:33.800
<v Speaker 2>they're starting to have a different outlook. And said, you said, oh,

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01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:37.199
<v Speaker 2>this is the Stockholm syndrome. I'm like, well, that's all

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01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:40.000
<v Speaker 2>well and good for you to say, but I will

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01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:42.840
<v Speaker 2>not gaslight a witness. If this is how they feel

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01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:44.920
<v Speaker 2>about their encounter, this is how they feel about it,

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01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:49.479
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, some feel absolutely violated, but a good majority

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01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:53.800
<v Speaker 2>a majority feel like, no, I actually think I did

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01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:57.439
<v Speaker 2>ask for this. I actually think that this ultimately is

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01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:00.000
<v Speaker 2>good for me, and I'm there. I wouldn't have trade

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01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.479
<v Speaker 2>this for anything, and I don't think they're evil. And yes,

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01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:07.439
<v Speaker 2>it was a very mixed bag because almost always in

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01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:11.199
<v Speaker 2>the beginning people will suffer from nightmares and insomnia and

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01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:17.760
<v Speaker 2>fear of intruders and PTSD clinical PTSD, and I have

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01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:20.560
<v Speaker 2>a real hard time with it. That is more the

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01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:24.159
<v Speaker 2>rules than the exception. But equally more the rules than

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01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the exception is that people ultimately feel okay about it,

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01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:32.399
<v Speaker 2>and that includes people who've had their babies taken. I've

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01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:37.079
<v Speaker 2>interviewed a number of them and wow, you know, a

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01:09:37.159 --> 01:09:40.760
<v Speaker 2>lady up in Maine, she's fine with it. One gentleman

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01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.119
<v Speaker 2>upstate New York, he was not okay with it. He

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01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.920
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of missing time. Finally had a fully

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01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.279
<v Speaker 2>conscious encounter. He was awake, he was in his bed

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01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:53.680
<v Speaker 2>when suddenly he says, it was really weird. It's almost

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01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.279
<v Speaker 2>like the ship moved into his room. They can do

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01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:01.520
<v Speaker 2>this interdimensially and pull you out that way. And he

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01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:05.159
<v Speaker 2>was shown his hybrid child and the little gray guys.

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<v Speaker 2>This is his only fully conscious encounter. Told him, you know,

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01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:12.840
<v Speaker 2>you needed to know you've been asking this question. You

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01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:16.000
<v Speaker 2>need to know why we've been working with you. This

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01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:20.119
<v Speaker 2>is your child aren't you happy? Isn't this amazing? He said, no,

1077
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:25.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm furious. How dare you? And he said he felt anger,

1078
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:29.000
<v Speaker 2>he felt a lot of fear. He felt disgusted at

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01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:32.159
<v Speaker 2>seeing this child who was not really fully human, but

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01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:36.399
<v Speaker 2>seeing this child, he felt this incredible paternal affection and

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01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:38.479
<v Speaker 2>wanted to scoop it up and hold this child who

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01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:42.439
<v Speaker 2>is his. So it was very difficult for him. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's another one of the I'm going to say ten

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01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:48.600
<v Speaker 2>percent who ultimately pushed it never happened. Pushed it never

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01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:52.520
<v Speaker 2>happened to them. And he's like, I don't even know

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01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:55.199
<v Speaker 2>why they're taking me. I've got high blood pressure, I've

1087
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:58.319
<v Speaker 2>got Crohn's disease. I smoke like a chimney. I'm like, well,

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01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:02.880
<v Speaker 2>have you gotten anything good out of it? He's like, well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He is profoundly psychic. And he said that they gave

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01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:10.079
<v Speaker 2>this to him because he has a mission to do.

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01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, what do you mean? Can you elaborate

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01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:16.039
<v Speaker 2>on that? He says, well, I'll be walking down the

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01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:20.119
<v Speaker 2>street and I will get a vision and it's them talking,

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01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and I talk to this person, and do you have

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01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:28.840
<v Speaker 2>any specific examples? One he saved a tight you know,

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01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:31.840
<v Speaker 2>someone's tired was about to fall off, and he pointed

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01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:34.399
<v Speaker 2>it out. I'm sure enough it was an Otherwise, he

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01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:36.359
<v Speaker 2>saw this lady walking down the street and he's like,

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01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do this. They're very insistent, and

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01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:41.079
<v Speaker 2>so he walks up to her and he's like, you know,

1101
01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I know you don't know me, but I'm getting a message.

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01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:49.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, I have psychic ability. You need to go

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01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:52.159
<v Speaker 2>home right now and talk to your husband. She's like,

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01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:54.119
<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about. I don't know. He's like,

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01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.279
<v Speaker 2>just you know, I'm just passing the message. You can

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01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:58.960
<v Speaker 2>take out or leave it. And thought he would never

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01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:02.000
<v Speaker 2>see her again because he usually doesn't. But a couple

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01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:04.600
<v Speaker 2>of years ago by and he's in the grocery store

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01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:07.960
<v Speaker 2>standing in line, and two lines over there's this woman

1110
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:11.640
<v Speaker 2>and he sees her and he's like, oh, there she is,

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01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:13.640
<v Speaker 2>and she turns and looks at him and her eyes

1112
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:17.640
<v Speaker 2>go wide. She gets out of her line and goes

1113
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:20.479
<v Speaker 2>running over to him, says, you're that man, aren't you.

1114
01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:22.199
<v Speaker 2>You're that man who walked up to me on the

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01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:24.600
<v Speaker 2>street and told you to go home. And he's like, yeah,

1116
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I remember. She's I need to thank you so much.

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01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:32.239
<v Speaker 2>You absolutely do not know what you did for me.

1118
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:34.960
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, what do you mean? She said, I

1119
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:38.039
<v Speaker 2>went home and I had a wonderful evening with my husband.

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01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:40.399
<v Speaker 2>We had dinner, we talked all about all these topics,

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01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and in the morning when I woke up, he had

1122
01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:49.239
<v Speaker 2>passed away in his sleep. So wow, yeah, so he

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01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:51.760
<v Speaker 2>had a specific example. You know, if someone's going to

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01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:54.920
<v Speaker 2>tell me something, I want specific examples present.

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<v Speaker 1>This was so wild. Before we close out, last thing

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask is do you think within our

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01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:07.119
<v Speaker 1>lifetime that some of these beings will make themselves known

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<v Speaker 1>to all?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a distinct possibility, and I don't think

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01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.640
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be open official contact in the way

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01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:18.640
<v Speaker 2>that we would love, any more than we're ever going

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01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:22.119
<v Speaker 2>to have open official disclosure in the way that we

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01:13:22.119 --> 01:13:25.359
<v Speaker 2>would like. I don't think we'll ever have full truth

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01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:28.039
<v Speaker 2>and transparency with the subject now with any of our

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01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:33.039
<v Speaker 2>current governments. But I can tell you that numerous contactees,

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01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and we're looking at hundreds, have gotten the same message

1137
01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:39.199
<v Speaker 2>that a time is coming when we remay face an

1138
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:43.840
<v Speaker 2>existential crisis on this planet, meaning, you know, large loss

1139
01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:48.720
<v Speaker 2>of life and the sky will fill with craft and

1140
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:52.560
<v Speaker 2>they'll land and they'll scow people up and save them,

1141
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:57.600
<v Speaker 2>which sounds very science fiction y to me. This is crazy,

1142
01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:02.159
<v Speaker 2>but the message is very consistent and I hear it

1143
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:05.600
<v Speaker 2>all the time. And if you look into the science

1144
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:09.439
<v Speaker 2>on this, we are facing some tough times ahead in

1145
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:14.680
<v Speaker 2>terms of you know, climatic crisis and weakening magnetic fields,

1146
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:17.640
<v Speaker 2>possible poll tilts. That's a big warning from e T

1147
01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:21.359
<v Speaker 2>by the way, and we know historically that that has happened.

1148
01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:25.399
<v Speaker 2>This is scientifically proven, so yeah, I think that could

1149
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:28.600
<v Speaker 2>happen within our lifetimes. I'm not a doom and gloomery here,

1150
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:32.840
<v Speaker 2>you know. I would just underline that we're all eternal beings,

1151
01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:38.720
<v Speaker 2>so we're not going to be forever exterminated because ets

1152
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:41.520
<v Speaker 2>don't look upon death is a thing like we do.

1153
01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:46.000
<v Speaker 2>So I think ultimately it's good news because we're living

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01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:50.359
<v Speaker 2>in a way that's non sustainable. So yeah, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent Preston, Thank you so much, some fantastic information in this.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll definitely be doing it again. Before I let you go,

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<v Speaker 1>remind the audience how they can get more of you.

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<v Speaker 2>You can buy me books on Amazon and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you having me on. Chris is such an important subject.

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<v Speaker 2>People deserve to know the truth, So I absolutely appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful and we'll do it again until next time. Everyone,

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