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Speaker 1: want to welcome back to the show Preston Dinnet. He
Speaker 1: first began investigating UFOs in nineteen eighty six after learning
Speaker 1: that his family, friends, and co workers were having encounters.
Speaker 1: Since then, he has interviewed hundreds of people and investigated
Speaker 1: a wide variety of cases. He has now written over
Speaker 1: twenty nine books in more than one hundred articles about
Speaker 1: UFOs and the paranormal Preston, Welcome back. How you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great, doing pretty good. Hope you are too.
Speaker 1: I am, and it's great to have you back. It
Speaker 1: has been a while. I'm very much looking forward to
Speaker 1: hearing about some of the incredible encounters you research and
Speaker 1: write about. You've covered over thousands of cases, I'm sure
Speaker 1: by now, everything from UFOs, extraterrestrials, encryptids to a whole
Speaker 1: spectrum of high strangeness, all of our favorite things here
Speaker 1: to discuss. Before we get into it, though, remind the
Speaker 1: audience a little bit about yourself and let them know
Speaker 1: how they can find more.
Speaker 2: Oh. I've been in this field for almost four decades now.
Speaker 2: I can hardly believe it gon involved in this field
Speaker 2: is a complete skeptic. When I found out my brother
Speaker 2: had seen a UFO, which I actually ignored for several
Speaker 2: years until I heard about a report of a sighting
Speaker 2: over Alaska in nineteen eighty six, November seventeen, very famous
Speaker 2: sighting Captain Kendrick Tarrocchi that was on the news, mainstream
Speaker 2: evening news. So that kind of opened the door for me,
Speaker 2: and I found out that not only had my brother
Speaker 2: seen a UFO and I'm going to say he was
Speaker 2: probably taken on board because it was not long after
Speaker 2: that he had this little implant thing in his arm.
Speaker 2: But found out, of course, a number of people within
Speaker 2: my family had seen UFOs, definitely some friends, co workers,
Speaker 2: and not just seeing UFOs but missing time face to
Speaker 2: face encounters with ETAs. We know that this subject is phenomena,
Speaker 2: for lack of a better word, bollows families. It took
Speaker 2: me a while to unpack that. Yeah, our family is
Speaker 2: one of them. And since then I've had a lot
Speaker 2: of my own encounters and not just sightings, but tell
Speaker 2: it the contact And in twenty twenty two, finally a
Speaker 2: fully conscious on board experience. So really, yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 2: was the best experience of my life. We can talk
Speaker 2: about it if you want.
Speaker 1: I'd love to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, That's how it kind of unrolled for me.
Speaker 2: I became a move on field investigator within a year
Speaker 2: or so, started investigating cases formally really dove deep for
Speaker 2: ten years, buying every darn book I could find. I
Speaker 2: started going on the radio TV. I wrote about thirty
Speaker 2: articles by nineteen ninety six. I had been in this
Speaker 2: field for yeah, ten years before I put up my
Speaker 2: first book, which was UFO Healings, and now you know,
Speaker 2: since then about one book per year. I'm up to
Speaker 2: thirty two right now, a little behind schedule, but I've
Speaker 2: got four or five lined up ready to go as
Speaker 2: soon as i can just get my hands on them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my YouTube channel is where I'm spending a
Speaker 2: lot of my energy right now because that's going really well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm easy to find on the Internet. Just punch
Speaker 2: my name in I'm on. At least I don't know
Speaker 2: a third of the social media platforms, so there's got
Speaker 2: to be fifty of them by now.
Speaker 1: Well, right on, Thank you for the introduction. It has
Speaker 1: been a little while since we spoke, but I didn't
Speaker 1: realize you had your own very profound experience. I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something I just really started talking about
Speaker 2: and never really talked about my own experiences because I'm
Speaker 2: a researcher. You want to remain impartial. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I've really wanted to dive deep into the
Speaker 2: subject and start seeing stuff for myself. Because you can
Speaker 2: read as many books as you want, and you can
Speaker 2: talk to everyone on this planet, but you'll never know
Speaker 2: what it's like until it happens to you.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Of course, it did start happening to me pretty early on.
Speaker 2: I'd gotten bobs Field again nineteen eighty six, really started
Speaker 2: going outside a lot more, turned to see stuff, and
Speaker 2: when someone said that they'd seen UFOs, I'd be all
Speaker 2: over that go to the area where there were sightings,
Speaker 2: and I started to see some unexplained lights and stuff.
Speaker 2: Wasn't until nineteen ninety two in July that I did
Speaker 2: have a missing time encounter with an orb of light
Speaker 2: that came down and I completely forgot the whole darn thing,
Speaker 2: huge red flag there, don't remember driving home, didn't tell
Speaker 2: anybody because I didn't remember it. Started having dreams of
Speaker 2: being on board, and so that kind of ramped up
Speaker 2: over the years. I would see UFOs. That year, actually
Speaker 2: I saw. I had four major sightings nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 2: had nineteen ninety four a telepathic communication with in the
Speaker 2: parent UFO which was connected to a lady I was interviewing.
Speaker 2: Actually they kind of showed up and said she's telling
Speaker 2: the truth, you know, you can trust her or her
Speaker 2: e t's and this sort of thing. And had another
Speaker 2: sighting right after that again they came down with her
Speaker 2: in front, in front of both of us. So my
Speaker 2: point is that you know it was an escalation of
Speaker 2: events leading up to this major onboard encounter because by
Speaker 2: the time this happened, which was on my birthday actually
Speaker 2: that's birthday present ever in twenty twenty two May six,
Speaker 2: And you know that sounds synchronistic, and it is because
Speaker 2: having interviewed a lot of people, there's a weird timing
Speaker 2: aspect sometimes to people's UFO encounters. It'll happen perhaps on
Speaker 2: a wedding anniversary when someone just got divorced, or over
Speaker 2: a major relationship or just hooked up, birthdays, the anniversary
Speaker 2: of someone's death. Just it's this really weird. You know,
Speaker 2: when something major is going on in a person's life,
Speaker 2: sometimes this is when they all show up. So the
Speaker 2: only real encounter I had that was fully conscious before
Speaker 2: that was waking up and that must have been ninety
Speaker 2: six thereabouts in my condominium in Canoga Park, where I
Speaker 2: could have sworn I saw gray in my bedroom. And
Speaker 2: I'm a little hesitant on that one because how it happened.
Speaker 2: I woke up because I thought someone was walk It
Speaker 2: felt like a cat across my bed. But you don't
Speaker 2: have a cat, you know, I had no pets, So
Speaker 2: that woke me up, and I was lying on my side.
Speaker 2: I like to sleep in total darkness. It was a
Speaker 2: very little light, but I saw something about that thin rail,
Speaker 2: thin dark out of my apartment. Didn't see a head,
Speaker 2: didn't see arms or legs. It was too fast, but
Speaker 2: I made my heart beat fast, and I just like wow,
Speaker 2: and I turned over and went to bed, which seems,
Speaker 2: you know, counterintuitive, But having interviewed a lot of witnesses
Speaker 2: and said, you know, I didn't react the way I
Speaker 2: thought it would, I finally got it. So yeah, A
Speaker 2: lot of dream memories and flashbacks were going on at
Speaker 2: this time. But I hooked up with Dolly Saffron in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and wrote a book about her case called Symmetry.
Speaker 2: She is a very extensive contactee, with more fully conscious
Speaker 2: colors than anyone I've ever met or read about, and
Speaker 2: has a lot of evidence to support her case. In fact,
Speaker 2: when I met her face to face the first time
Speaker 2: the UFO was there, I saw it and she actually
Speaker 2: filmed it the day before. She's got a lot of
Speaker 2: corroborating witnesses, a lot of evidence, so I knew her
Speaker 2: case was for real, and when you associate with contactees,
Speaker 2: there are chances of having an encounter go way up.
Speaker 2: And that's essentially what caused this encounter because it was
Speaker 2: her ets her you know by that, I mean the
Speaker 2: ones she was associating with her ET. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: was just I was in bed, you know, dreaming and
Speaker 2: just having a normal night when suddenly I woke up
Speaker 2: and I was no longer dreaming. I was in my
Speaker 2: bedroom and I was being pulled through the wall. It
Speaker 2: was really.
Speaker 1: Strange because were you paralyzed?
Speaker 2: No one's ever asked me that. I didn't really pay
Speaker 2: attention to that. I'm gonna say yes, because I've was
Speaker 2: kind of struck by this really electric feeling, which you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't fight it, so I really can't say that
Speaker 2: you know, I was or was not, but it was
Speaker 2: a feeling I kind of recognized. I'm like wow, and
Speaker 2: it kind of brought back memories of having done this before.
Speaker 2: But I saw the wall kind of go really opened
Speaker 2: up into like this dark area and how would I went?
Speaker 1: And important question were you out of body during this time?
Speaker 1: Was this an astral experience?
Speaker 2: Yeah? People have asked me that, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: say no because I've had a lot of OBEs. I
Speaker 2: wrote a book about it. I got really good at
Speaker 2: it very early on, actually not so coincidentally, about the
Speaker 2: same time as I started investigating. These things kind of
Speaker 2: come hand in hand. Yeah, so I'm going to say
Speaker 2: no for a number of reasons, which we can get into. Sure,
Speaker 2: because it feels different. You know, when you're obe there's
Speaker 2: a certain quality to it. You can see the environment,
Speaker 2: and it's got this weird aura too, and your vision.
Speaker 2: It's just a little different in ways that are hard
Speaker 2: to describe. And it didn't feel like that. I recognized
Speaker 2: what was happening. I was being pulled up an energy
Speaker 2: beam and it's got this sort of buzzing feeling to it,
Speaker 2: which is different from what you know obear is called
Speaker 2: a vibratory state, okay, which is very brief. You feel
Speaker 2: it and then you're done and you're out and you're
Speaker 2: wandering around. So I was pulled up this energy beam
Speaker 2: and really couldn't see a whole lot except deep space stars.
Speaker 2: I didn't see the Earth or anything. But it was
Speaker 2: taken a long time. I'm like, oh my god, how
Speaker 2: long is this going to take? Because I'd never experienced
Speaker 2: that before. Usually it's a few seconds, but no, this
Speaker 2: went on for a good twenty or thirty seconds, and
Speaker 2: I knew what was happening. I'm like, I'm being taken,
Speaker 2: and this is awesome. I having studied this subject, I
Speaker 2: really don't have a fear of it, of the ets,
Speaker 2: perhaps because you know, knowledge overcomes fear, and I kind
Speaker 2: of know what to expect, but in a way I
Speaker 2: thought I did. After, I was a bit surprised because
Speaker 2: the next thing I knew, I never saw the craft
Speaker 2: from the outside. I was just suddenly lying on a
Speaker 2: short table. I mean by short, I mean low and
Speaker 2: maybe three feet off the ground, and there was a
Speaker 2: bunch of little short guys on one side. I wasn't
Speaker 2: really paying attention to because I immediately noticed that I
Speaker 2: was in this very large round room about fifty feet across,
Speaker 2: which was well lit with indirect lighting. All the things
Speaker 2: I've heard people describe. But it's different when you see
Speaker 2: it for yourself, because you can visualize all you want,
Speaker 2: but until again, until it happens to you, you just
Speaker 2: don't know. And I was My attention was fixed on
Speaker 2: this six foot tall, beautiful lady who was not quite
Speaker 2: human she looked half gray, half human, because she looked
Speaker 2: normal enough, but her nose was really small, really small mouth,
Speaker 2: and a somewhat normal head but slightly larger. Her eyes
Speaker 2: were overly large, and you know, kind of almond shaped,
Speaker 2: wrapped around slightly around the side of her head, and
Speaker 2: had really tightly curled white blonde hair and a snow
Speaker 2: white jumpsuit. And you cannot get that kind of clean
Speaker 2: here on Earth, of course, no zippers or patches or
Speaker 2: anything like that, buttons and so forth, pockets and so
Speaker 2: I'm fixated on her because she's she's pretty, and she's
Speaker 2: really striking looking different. Yeah, And I tried to sit
Speaker 2: up and quickly put her hand gently on my chest
Speaker 2: said no, no, you know, lay down. We need to
Speaker 2: check to make sure you're okay. I told her, and listen,
Speaker 2: I'm fine. I remember this. And I tried to get
Speaker 2: up again. She's like, just a few seconds, you can
Speaker 2: get up in a bit. We need to check you out,
Speaker 2: and I kept insisting I was fine. Uh, And after
Speaker 2: a few more times than that back and forth, she's like, okay,
Speaker 2: get up, and you know, I actually leaped off that
Speaker 2: table because I wanted to explore this was insane, because.
Speaker 1: I had all feel at all like you were in
Speaker 1: an altered state, your biology may have been affected in
Speaker 1: some way or drugged.
Speaker 2: Not really, I mean, I'm gonna say it's ever so
Speaker 2: slightly in the fact that this was thrilling and it
Speaker 2: was a completely new experience, But no, I mean it
Speaker 2: would have been something I can to like, would I
Speaker 2: put it going to a beautiful hotel for the first
Speaker 2: time or something that's kind of a little like, wow,
Speaker 2: look at this.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure it's much different for you, having researched
Speaker 1: this for so many years than a person who had
Speaker 1: never experienced it waking up on an alien craft being
Speaker 1: experimented on. If you have a unique reaction to it, I'd.
Speaker 2: Say, I mean, this was literally something I'd wished for,
Speaker 2: and like, why can't happen to me? You know, I'm
Speaker 2: investigating this stuff. You know, I'd reached out telepathically, and
Speaker 2: of course by that point I knew I was what
Speaker 2: we would call a contact ee. I never really looked
Speaker 2: at myself that way, and I didn't really again talk
Speaker 2: about it too much because people I've interviewed that's so
Speaker 2: much more extensive experiences, and so I never really wrote
Speaker 2: about it, because why would I have It's just sightings.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't. At this point, you know, I won't
Speaker 2: get into it. I remembered quite a bit.
Speaker 1: So they didn't do any experiments or check you out
Speaker 1: like she was wanting to.
Speaker 2: No no needles, no instruments. I was just a kind
Speaker 2: of lookover. So it couldn't have been more than three minutes.
Speaker 2: I was on that table and again felt no fear,
Speaker 2: quite the opposite. I was absolutely excited because I'm looking around.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, the walls are around it. Look there
Speaker 2: is indirect lighting, and look there's these grays over there.
Speaker 2: And that did make my heart leap up a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, because they looked very different. These guys
Speaker 2: were not human, and they weren't. I think those were
Speaker 2: probably what we would call the AI little shirt guys
Speaker 2: without emotions, because I had a stern look on their face,
Speaker 2: like they were all business and yeah, if they had
Speaker 2: prodded around me and we're pulling, poking at me, I
Speaker 2: would probably would have probably felt a little different, perhaps,
Speaker 2: But they were I'm gonna say, twenty feet away, a
Speaker 2: group of like three or four of them in jumpsuits
Speaker 2: gray jumpsuits. They didn't catch my eye. So I'm sweeping
Speaker 2: across the room and I can see that there's rooms
Speaker 2: going around the hulcor I mean, I'm sorry, windows going
Speaker 2: around the whole circumference, which are slanted at a forty
Speaker 2: five degree angle.
Speaker 1: I know I asked you if you believed you were
Speaker 1: out of body, But did you ever take time to
Speaker 1: look at your hands or feet and notice your body?
Speaker 2: Not? Really? Okay, okay, which you know, I finally did
Speaker 2: do that, Obe because some people ask me about that,
Speaker 2: like how are you dressed? And you know, what do
Speaker 2: you look like? I'm much younger when i'm Obe. Oh interesting,
Speaker 2: all my hair comes back and I look great, pretty muscular.
Speaker 2: I used to be a muscular young man. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And you float and you fly around. The gravity was
Speaker 2: slightly less. I feel like I didn't really notice any
Speaker 2: temperature so much. But I was looking around. There were
Speaker 2: windows around the hole circumference that were tilted at an
Speaker 2: angle kind of like a cruise shit might be, or
Speaker 2: a lookout from the top of the building. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I saw some people kind of looking out and scanning
Speaker 2: the whole room. There are people standing in the center,
Speaker 2: which I didn't quite notice because my attention now was
Speaker 2: fixated on this seven to eight foot tall gray et
Speaker 2: who I've since found out was Dolly Saffron's main contact.
Speaker 2: A tall gray she calls Mama, which I wasn't quite
Speaker 2: clicking to immediately, but sort of because Dolly has described her,
Speaker 2: and sure enough that was her. So I ran right
Speaker 2: up to her, and she was wearing a white smock.
Speaker 2: She's very e t you know, a completely huge pear
Speaker 2: shaped head, kind of very large wrap around eyes almost
Speaker 2: no no, is a very tiny slit for a mouth
Speaker 2: which was curled up in the tiny as cute as
Speaker 2: little smile. And I had to look up at her.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm five foot nine and three quarters, so
Speaker 2: she had to be at least seven feet so she,
Speaker 2: you know, was radiating wisdom and grace, beauty and elegance.
Speaker 2: There's just something about her presence that is absolutely stunning.
Speaker 2: And so I'm maybe two feet away from her and
Speaker 2: she tilts head forward and to the side and says
Speaker 2: to me telepathically, so is this what you thought it
Speaker 2: would be like? And I said, no, it's much better.
Speaker 2: And it was because this was an environment where I
Speaker 2: felt almost at home. I don't know how to put it,
Speaker 2: but safe, and the people around are wise and are kind,
Speaker 2: and it's just different from Earth, which is a bit
Speaker 2: chaotic and you can't trust people. So I was I said,
Speaker 2: can I explore instead, of course, and she kind of
Speaker 2: gestured to let me, you know, go where I wanted to.
Speaker 2: So I immediately went to the other side of the
Speaker 2: room where there was nobody.
Speaker 1: You said other people. Were there other humans on there?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, they're sure were, but I didn't pay attention
Speaker 2: to them. I wanted to see out the window. So
Speaker 2: I went and I looked out the window and there
Speaker 2: was the Earth and it was curved. Wasn't a globe
Speaker 2: way off in the distance. I don't know how high up.
Speaker 2: I'm estimating about five hundred feet. I really want to
Speaker 2: pin that down because I do remember the exact curvature
Speaker 2: that I was looking at. And it was so cool
Speaker 2: because you can see pictures of the Earth from outer space,
Speaker 2: but again, when you're there, it's a different story. Cameras
Speaker 2: never do anything justice, really, So I was absolutely stunned
Speaker 2: by that and turned around, and that's when I did
Speaker 2: see two rows of people standing in the center of
Speaker 2: this room about you know, I'm gonna say seven people
Speaker 2: could have been ten in one row and right in
Speaker 2: front of them another row. So I walked up to them,
Speaker 2: very curious because they weren't moving. And I walked up
Speaker 2: kind of in front to the side, and I looked
Speaker 2: at them, and there was people of different ethnicities. I
Speaker 2: specifically saw young black man, a white girl, you know,
Speaker 2: different ancestries. So I walked up to the girl in
Speaker 2: the end, I said, Hi, you know, my name's Preston.
Speaker 2: What's your name? And that's when I noticed that she
Speaker 2: was essentially catatonic, entranced, and she was one hundred percent hypnotizer.
Speaker 2: I don't know. She was staring straight ahead and was
Speaker 2: out of it. And I considered, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: reaching up and like hey, but it became clear to
Speaker 2: me that that was not appropriate. All right, So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll shoot, because the first thing you want to do
Speaker 2: is talk to people and get verification. There's other people
Speaker 2: there that are Earthlings. I want to get their names.
Speaker 1: So I looked, did you find out what was going
Speaker 1: on with them?
Speaker 2: I didn't know. This was a pretty short experience all
Speaker 2: in all. I'm not going to say that I remember
Speaker 2: it in totality. But I think I do because the
Speaker 2: next thing I did. I never felt any you know,
Speaker 2: like suddenly any shifts where I'm passing out or anything
Speaker 2: like that. But I saw this Korean girl. I'm guessing
Speaker 2: because you know, I worked with this Korean girl in
Speaker 2: my office and looked just like her. It wasn't her,
Speaker 2: but she was Asian and so she was fully conscious
Speaker 2: and she's standing by the window there on the other side.
Speaker 2: There was a railing around the whole window, around the
Speaker 2: whole perimeter, I should say, so I walked up quickly
Speaker 2: to I didn't run. I walked very quickly over to her,
Speaker 2: and I was looking at her and I was about
Speaker 2: to say, hey, you know, my name is Prenton. Preston,
Speaker 2: who are you? But again, the sight of the earth
Speaker 2: down below is very breathtaking. It really captures her attentions.
Speaker 2: I looked down at that and at that moment, this
Speaker 2: craft dropped down in one second five hundred miles to
Speaker 2: the surface of the Earth ten feet up and then
Speaker 2: it rocked slightly, which I could feel. I didn't feel
Speaker 2: any deceleration, any acceleration, no movement really, but when it's
Speaker 2: tilted like a boat rocking slightly. I did feel that
Speaker 2: or I saw it, and she right next to me
Speaker 2: went wha. So she was having all kinds of fun too,
Speaker 2: And so I'm looking out and my first thought is, okay,
Speaker 2: where am I? And it was daytime and there was
Speaker 2: a house out there. We were in a field and
Speaker 2: the house was like just a short distance way, and
Speaker 2: I'm trying real quick to see but we were there
Speaker 2: no more than a second, maybe three, and the ship
Speaker 2: went right back up and again real fast. And so
Speaker 2: I turned around and the tall gray mama quote mama
Speaker 2: was motioning to me. So I walked over to her,
Speaker 2: and she held up this glass tumbler. I'm going to
Speaker 2: call it glass because that's what it looked like, but
Speaker 2: very thick, thick, rimmed, very short, and it had a
Speaker 2: green liquid in it, about a third fall of this
Speaker 2: almost neon green liquid. And I'm thinking, wow, you know what,
Speaker 2: this reminds me of an article I wrote alien drinks,
Speaker 2: which I did a whole study on and never really
Speaker 2: kind of could figure out exactly what it was for,
Speaker 2: whether it's medicinal or nutritious or you know, along these lines.
Speaker 2: All right, and she hands it to me and kind
Speaker 2: of motions me to drink it. And I absolutely trust
Speaker 2: this person, so there was no hesitation whoever on my
Speaker 2: part other than I sniffed it because I want, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm curious what is this? And I couldn't really smell anything,
Speaker 2: but I could see, you know, he's kind of way
Speaker 2: it back and forth and it slashes in an unusual
Speaker 2: way because it was thick. It was a thick liquid.
Speaker 2: So I took a small sip. You know, I didn't
Speaker 2: go up it. I took a small sip. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's interesting because there was a very subtle taste.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what it tasted like?
Speaker 2: I do. It's not fully identifiable as anything here on earth,
Speaker 2: but the closest I can come up with is a
Speaker 2: mixture of lime and kiwi. Okay, it wasn't tart, it
Speaker 2: wasn't overly sweet, but there wasn't there was a flavor
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: And she didn't tell you what it was for, Nope.
Speaker 2: And I didn't ask, which it's kind of strange because
Speaker 2: but you're, you know, you're in this situation. You're a
Speaker 2: little overwhelmed. Yeah, I'm a kid in a candy store.
Speaker 2: So she took it from my hand and then and
Speaker 2: I said, hey, you said this, I could have this,
Speaker 2: and she expressed surprise. I'm like, well, can I have
Speaker 2: another sip? And she looked at me like I was crazy,
Speaker 2: shouldn't say anything, but she said, okay, if you want.
Speaker 2: But thinking was kind of like, you're okay. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what's wrong with you, but if you really want
Speaker 2: another sip, that's fine. And I took another sip and yeah,
Speaker 2: that's when I did lose consciousness. Huh. So I don't
Speaker 2: remember leaving or how I left. I woke up in
Speaker 2: bed immediately. I mean, there was no transition other than
Speaker 2: I'm there in the ship awake and then I'm in
Speaker 2: bed awake. So I did. And I immediately jumped up,
Speaker 2: of course, and wrote it down. And next morning I
Speaker 2: called Dolling and she's like, oh my god. I considered
Speaker 2: the possibility that it was ob but well, you can
Speaker 2: eat obe and you can do a lot of the
Speaker 2: things you can do here. There's just different qualities to it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't think it was not about experience.
Speaker 1: Since then, have you had any profound changes in your
Speaker 1: waking life, any downloads, even repeat experiences with the beings?
Speaker 2: No, that was the kind of last encounter I had.
Speaker 2: Really from that point, I have no sightings. Now. I
Speaker 2: did have a download earlier years earlier, early on into
Speaker 2: my research, like who are these grays? This is driving
Speaker 2: me crazy because I interview a lot of people and
Speaker 2: most of them describe grays or some variation of grays,
Speaker 2: and some describe human looking ets, some describe mantids, little
Speaker 2: blue beings. You start to get a variation of really
Speaker 2: strange humanoids as well, some really strange ones, which we
Speaker 2: can get into if you want. But I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: the grays are dominating. What's going on here? Who are
Speaker 2: these guys? I feel like there's a close relationship with
Speaker 2: us to them because people are basically hybridizing with them,
Speaker 2: and all often they will say things to contact me's
Speaker 2: like you know, we are you, you are us, we
Speaker 2: are one, we share a common heritage, we are your family,
Speaker 2: these kinds of things, right, And I was just kind
Speaker 2: of I went and there, I laid down and I
Speaker 2: was meditating them. I meditate regularly, especially back then when
Speaker 2: I was really into it, and I'm meditating on that one.
Speaker 2: Suddenly I know people have described downloads to me, and
Speaker 2: I always ask questions about it because what the heck
Speaker 2: is a download? And people describe it as having suddenly
Speaker 2: thoughts implanted into your head at high speed. And I
Speaker 2: finally got it because suddenly, you know, I'm not paralyzed
Speaker 2: or anything, but I am kind of because I am
Speaker 2: now having this vision very clearly in my head of
Speaker 2: this an image of a gentleman, you know, a man,
Speaker 2: a normal looking guy, and suddenly he's not quite normal.
Speaker 2: He looks like he's suffering from radiation damage in that
Speaker 2: his hair is starting to fall out, and his nose
Speaker 2: is becoming damaged, kind of like radiation victims from Hiroshima. Almost,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what came to my mind, I should say.
Speaker 2: But the lift started getting smaller, and then it's flipping
Speaker 2: through like a deck of cards, real fast, anywhere from
Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred images of this same gentleman, and
Speaker 2: I just watched the nose kind of disappear intoto nostril slits,
Speaker 2: the lips move or shrink, shrink, shrink, the ears go away,
Speaker 2: the head gets larger, the eyes increase, and then it
Speaker 2: stops on a full on gray And the message was
Speaker 2: that they are human, they have the same genes as
Speaker 2: we do, and there was some indication that it was
Speaker 2: due to radiation. I cannot fully so.
Speaker 1: From either a past or future timeline or an alternate reality.
Speaker 2: No, not the future, not an alternate reality. Just I
Speaker 2: didn't get that. You know, that was not the message.
Speaker 2: The message was that they were essentially human, shared human,
Speaker 2: that the differences we see are due to environmental factors,
Speaker 2: and that's it. So I felt wow. And yeah, it
Speaker 2: took a while to unpack because this was a lot
Speaker 2: of information all at once, but it was definitely what
Speaker 2: I would call it download, really the one and only
Speaker 2: that I've ever had that I can point to. I mean,
Speaker 2: there was some weird instances in my past that are
Speaker 2: quite vague.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get into some of the experiences
Speaker 1: that you've documented about people's abduction experiences. You mentioned with
Speaker 1: yours you woke up in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and realized that you were floating through the wall. This
Speaker 1: does happen often, but I think people's experiences get discounted
Speaker 1: when they say they were sleeping or it was in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, just because most people want
Speaker 1: to conflate that with dreaming. And I've heard enough encounters
Speaker 1: to know that there's a huge difference in the experience,
Speaker 1: and it's not a dream, especially in that person's experience.
Speaker 1: But what I'm really interested in is the people's abduction
Speaker 1: experiences where they're having an everyday experience. They are driving,
Speaker 1: or they're out in the woods hiking, they're completely lucid,
Speaker 1: no sleeping or day dreaming or drugs or anything. The
Speaker 1: next thing they know, they're on a craft. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've written about these type of experiences before, right.
Speaker 2: Oh, sure, Yeah. There's a certainly a lot of cases
Speaker 2: where people are in bed. In fact, you're going to
Speaker 2: see a gray or any team most likely place to
Speaker 2: see when it's in your bedroom, waking up and there
Speaker 2: they are. But yeah, I've got a number of cases
Speaker 2: where people had encounters for they were fully awake. One
Speaker 2: that comes to mind is a gentleman I enterwed. But
Speaker 2: Kevin Cannon, who's a Navy medic. I confirmed that confirmed
Speaker 2: of employment in fact, checking on his case to the
Speaker 2: extent that you can, and he was a Navy medic
Speaker 2: on this ship which was in oh gosh, the Philippines area.
Speaker 2: I'd have to look that up. Somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 2: I believe seventy eight thereabouts and at any rate, he
Speaker 2: shared a cabin with another gentleman and they became good friends.
Speaker 2: And his friend, I'll call him Peter, that's not his
Speaker 2: real name, was fearless. Whenever they go to ports, he
Speaker 2: would like just gobble up the foreign delicacies of fish
Speaker 2: eye soup or whatever it was, which kind of amazed
Speaker 2: Kevin because the guy was just absolutely fearless. And they're
Speaker 2: talking and one day Peter's like, you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: contact ee. I'm in touch with aliens. And Kevin's like, what, Like, no,
Speaker 2: for real? You know, they've been taken me since I
Speaker 2: was a little boy. I've been on their ship, They've
Speaker 2: taken me to their planet and so forth. Now, Kevin
Speaker 2: kind of believes in UFOs because he did a report
Speaker 2: when he was a young kid in school and found
Speaker 2: out UFOs were real. But he's like, you're you're kidding me.
Speaker 2: You know this is not. He's a navy guy. He
Speaker 2: used much more colorful language, so I'm paraphrasing them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But Peter's like, no, for real, you know, And Kevin says, well,
Speaker 2: if that's true, I want to meet your little green friends.
Speaker 2: And Peter's like, okay, I'm in contact with them all
Speaker 2: the time. I'll ask them. And it was a couple
Speaker 2: of days later he's like, oh, they took me and
Speaker 2: you and I went to your house. And Kevin's like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about. We're on the ship. He's like,
Speaker 2: they can take me anywhere, and started to describe Kevin's
Speaker 2: house in detail and correctly. So this was stunning to him,
Speaker 2: and he's thinking, is this guy a CI agent. There's
Speaker 2: no way you could know these details. He knows for
Speaker 2: sure that there was no shortly at this time, so
Speaker 2: none of this made sense because the details were very specific,
Speaker 2: down to shag rug milks, shakestain on a car. I mean,
Speaker 2: just weird minute details, you know, even a psychic have
Speaker 2: a hard time with. And Peter tells him that they
Speaker 2: said they'll come for you. It should happen in a
Speaker 2: couple of days. You'll be ready. So Kevin's still thinking, yeah, right.
Speaker 2: So a couple of days go by, it's high noon.
Speaker 2: Their cabin is not far from the deck of the ship.
Speaker 2: This is a six hundred foot long shit and Peter
Speaker 2: comes into the cabin. N Kevin's about to go to lunch,
Speaker 2: and Peter's like, they're up on you know, go up
Speaker 2: on the deck, you'll see them. They're ready for you.
Speaker 2: So Kevin's still thinking, right, So he goes up on deck,
Speaker 2: and sure enough, there's this gigantic UFO about a quarter
Speaker 2: mile off from the ship, as big as the ship,
Speaker 2: and it's flashing all these colored lights. Now there's a dozen,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people up on the deck there.
Speaker 2: So he's completely stunned because none of them are paying
Speaker 2: any attention to this. And it seems impossible because it's
Speaker 2: very striking an appearance. He says, it was absolutely beautiful
Speaker 2: and it was flashing prismatic colors. It's no way you
Speaker 2: can't notice this thing. So he runs up to the
Speaker 2: mess cook I think it was, and starts shaking him
Speaker 2: on the shoulder, like look, look, look, and the guy
Speaker 2: will not pay attention to him. It's like he doesn't
Speaker 2: even exist. And the next thing Kevin knows is he's
Speaker 2: looking down at this navy ship and it's getting smaller
Speaker 2: and smaller and smaller, and he realizes he's on board
Speaker 2: of his craft, just like a snap of a finger.
Speaker 2: And it was weird because he could see through the
Speaker 2: side of the wall of this craft He looked down
Speaker 2: at the floor. It was kind of like a metal grating,
Speaker 2: and he was afraid to turn around at this point
Speaker 2: because he's going into straight on panic and he's thinking,
Speaker 2: I'm a law you know, I am in real trouble here, right,
Speaker 2: And a male voice said, they don't even know you're gone.
Speaker 2: So now he's really freaking out. He sees a console
Speaker 2: that's coming up to his neck, a bit too high
Speaker 2: for a noble person and very sparse in terms of details.
Speaker 2: A couple of colored buttons or knobs. It's really not sure,
Speaker 2: but it was not a whole lot to it. So
Speaker 2: he's like starting to ask questions, and he said, are
Speaker 2: you going to eat me? It was his first question,
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, we're not going to eat you.
Speaker 2: You watch way too much horror. He said, well, what
Speaker 2: do you eat? Oh, we eat fish and vegetables. We
Speaker 2: eat the same things you do. And they started to
Speaker 2: have this long telepathic conversation with two male voices who
Speaker 2: spoke absolute perfect English with no accent. And he asked
Speaker 2: about Roswell and they said, yes, that did happen. He asked,
Speaker 2: do our governments have et technology? And they said yes,
Speaker 2: that all the governments. All the major governments have ET
Speaker 2: technology and are aware of extraterrestrials.
Speaker 1: Did he see the being he was speaking with?
Speaker 2: Eventually, Yeah, after this conversation, he said, where are you from?
Speaker 2: And he said, he gave me this look. You know,
Speaker 2: I interviewed him face to face and he gave me
Speaker 2: this look, like, do I tell this guy who's never
Speaker 2: going to believe this? He said, well, you know, the
Speaker 2: room changed size it was I'm like, how big was it?
Speaker 2: He said, well, it's about forty feet maybe fifty rounded
Speaker 2: room from what he could see, and then it absolutely
Speaker 2: expanded to about one hundred feet wide. And they showed
Speaker 2: him this holographic star chart and he could see the
Speaker 2: solar system and it shrank down until it was almost nothing,
Speaker 2: and there's a big bright red light off in the
Speaker 2: far far distance started blinking and I'm like, that's our star,
Speaker 2: that's our star system. And named it and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: what did they name it? He's like, I couldn't possibly
Speaker 2: tell you. It was a long word with a lot
Speaker 2: of consonants. But then the pretty involved encounter. They took
Speaker 2: him to his hometown. He could he looked through the
Speaker 2: transparent section of that he was looking, showed him Kankakee, Illinois.
Speaker 2: It was daytime there, so this was not quite jiving
Speaker 2: with where he was. So it was almost like time travel,
Speaker 2: he said, because he could see his mom looking a
Speaker 2: little younger, where she worked as a school teacher, and
Speaker 2: then showed him his moved over to the bank building
Speaker 2: where his dad worked was having a you know, managerial
Speaker 2: meeting in the center room of this building, and looked
Speaker 2: through the walls, through the air conditioner ducks all the
Speaker 2: way so he could see his father, and they tell him, well,
Speaker 2: your parents did a good job with you. You know,
Speaker 2: they're good people. They did a good job. And he's thinking, what,
Speaker 2: you know, what are you talking about? You know me?
Speaker 2: You know my parents. This is crazy that the next
Speaker 2: you know, he says, a lot happened. He doesn't have
Speaker 2: the complete order of this, maybe correctly, but they showed
Speaker 2: him what looked like a bombing range and he's thinking,
Speaker 2: look at those craters, this is crazy. Is this Arizona?
Speaker 2: Where the heck is this? And then it came over
Speaker 2: the horizon and he saw the Earth and it was
Speaker 2: a little globe and he's like, oh my god, this
Speaker 2: is the moon. And he says, I nearly crept my
Speaker 2: pants at that point.
Speaker 1: Hm.
Speaker 2: He actually pinched himself so hard he bled, thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: am I going crazy? Here? Am I hallucinating? And the
Speaker 2: ets told him that they know all the languages of
Speaker 2: our planet. They told him quite a few things he
Speaker 2: asked about. They said, we will not discuss religion or politics,
Speaker 2: which I don't know why that makes me laugh, but
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of something hot button topics you're
Speaker 2: not supposed to bring up at parties. I guess so divisive. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And they told him a bunch of other stuff. But
Speaker 2: what was most interesting was they said, when you started
Speaker 2: exploding nuclear bombs, this caused a lot of attention to
Speaker 2: be paid to you by all different types of ets.
Speaker 2: And you started what they called a countdown clock. And
Speaker 2: they proceeded to show him all these disasters on Earth.
Speaker 2: This is a very common message from E. T's They
Speaker 2: showed him hurricanes and mud slides and tidal waves and
Speaker 2: earthquakes and just environmental havoc, clim climactic havoc. And he said,
Speaker 2: mostly hurricanes actually, And they said these events cannot be stopped.
Speaker 2: They will happen. It's because of what you've done, and
Speaker 2: they warned him against the use of nuclear material and
Speaker 2: he said, what do you look like? They said, we're
Speaker 2: not little, and we're not green, and our appearance scares
Speaker 2: a lot of people. And he's like, well, what do
Speaker 2: you look like? They said, we'll turn around and you
Speaker 2: can see. So he turns around and he did get
Speaker 2: really scared at this point because they were praying mantis.
Speaker 2: And he described this very eloquently. He's a trained observer,
Speaker 2: you know, he's in the military. This is a great witness.
Speaker 2: I've interviewed him a dozen times. I got him on
Speaker 2: the radio once. Witnesses buying large don't want any attention,
Speaker 2: but he felt it was important to have his story known.
Speaker 2: And he said that they were on these what looked
Speaker 2: like white stone chairs, almost thrown like on a wide
Speaker 2: circular dais, you know, it's like a stage. There was
Speaker 2: three of them, and one stood up and he could
Speaker 2: now see that, yeah, these were praying mantis. Said their
Speaker 2: eyes were the size of basketball, their heads were so
Speaker 2: huge they radiated intelligence. And he said that these one
Speaker 2: walked up to him and started fussing with the panel
Speaker 2: and it was right next to him. He said, this
Speaker 2: thing was fifteen feet tall. Now. I kind of protested
Speaker 2: at that point because you know, I hear nine feet tall.
Speaker 2: That's the tallest I've ever heard up until that point,
Speaker 2: at least, I've never heard feet tall. Think I've read
Speaker 2: very few accounts, but very few. And so I kind
Speaker 2: of pushed back, and he's like, listen, you can see me.
Speaker 2: I'm six foot three. Yeah, these were more than twice
Speaker 2: my height. It was like looking up at a basketball backboard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so it turns in he can see its hands
Speaker 2: are kind of claw like. They're bone white, absolutely white,
Speaker 2: with big, big, dark eyes and kind of tilted its head,
Speaker 2: looked over him, and it said, do you want to
Speaker 2: go to our planet? And he said, no, take me back.
Speaker 2: And that's another point where I pushed back. I'm like, what,
Speaker 2: why didn't you want to? He says, I was shaken
Speaker 2: in my boots.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm like, did they do anything to you? Did they examine? No?
Speaker 2: He did not remember any of that, but he says
Speaker 2: I felt like a bug next to them, ironically, because
Speaker 2: they are the ones to kind of look bug like.
Speaker 2: But he says, I didn't want to become a specimen.
Speaker 2: I don't know these guys. He did not think this
Speaker 2: was actually going to happen. But she asked for it,
Speaker 2: you know, he asked for it. He got it. So
Speaker 2: he's like, no, take me home. I'm like, okay, what happened?
Speaker 2: It reached forward and grabbed me by the shoulder. That
Speaker 2: was too much for him, because this set him off
Speaker 2: into absolute hysteria and he fainted. And he woke up
Speaker 2: and he was back not on the you know, the
Speaker 2: deck of the ship. He was back in his cabin
Speaker 2: and he was hovered in sweat, and he was hyper
Speaker 2: vower and he's trying to orient himself. You know. In
Speaker 2: these cabins they had curtains like in a hospital that
Speaker 2: will give you some measure of privacy. The curtain whosh
Speaker 2: is open, and there's his friend Peter, grinning from ear
Speaker 2: to ear, really eager and smiling and sense so, how
Speaker 2: did you like your ride? Kevin said that that was
Speaker 2: the last time I wanted to talk to that guy.
Speaker 2: They got in a fight. He said, how dare you
Speaker 2: do that to me? We're no longer friends. I hate you. Oh,
Speaker 2: and they get it.
Speaker 1: I could see how that could be traumatizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he forgot a lot of this. He remembered,
Speaker 2: you know, getting pulled on board. He couldn't remember what
Speaker 2: they looked like. For the longest time, he would just
Speaker 2: have these flashbacks which were too much for him, and
Speaker 2: he just pushed it out of his mind until he
Speaker 2: had an honorable discharge some years later and says that
Speaker 2: he was watching a nature show with his wife. I'm
Speaker 2: still in contact with her. He passed about two or
Speaker 2: three years ago, and he was watching a nature show
Speaker 2: and on comes this close up of a praying mantis,
Speaker 2: and that set him into complete pharoxysms because it all
Speaker 2: came rushing back. That's what I call a Q.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I've got a number of cases like that where
Speaker 2: people had a queue, because most people will have missing time.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's one fully conscious encounter.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Let me ask you, that's pretty wild. Most
Speaker 1: of the encounters that you research and write about are
Speaker 1: positive encounters. I have heard many negative encounters, not as
Speaker 1: many as I have heard positive encounters. But depending on
Speaker 1: who you speak with in uifology or even the conspiracy space,
Speaker 1: many will say that there are very negative extraterrestrials in
Speaker 1: cahoots with the ruling class of our planet. That's why
Speaker 1: the anti human ideologies are so prevalent right now because
Speaker 1: negative extraterrestrials are pulling some strings in our reality. Would
Speaker 1: you agree with that?
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't. All right, I do not cherry pick
Speaker 2: or do any shoe fitting or editing or censoring. You know,
Speaker 2: if someone has an encounter and they want to share it,
Speaker 2: I'm all in, And I just I'm not getting those accounts.
Speaker 2: So I questioned that, and I questioned some of the
Speaker 2: researchers who are putting that forth, and frankly some of it.
Speaker 2: And I'll put this in quote contacteaes. I do think
Speaker 2: my labs might be one of the sources of this.
Speaker 2: I did get one case of a gentleman who is
Speaker 2: clearly my lab, and he was a great witness with
Speaker 2: wonderful encounters throughout his childhood. That turned bad when he
Speaker 2: got pulled into the military at a very young age
Speaker 2: and went to Camp Pendleton. And that sent shivers down
Speaker 2: my spine because Pendleton keeps coming up as a place
Speaker 2: that people go in and they don't come out fully okay.
Speaker 1: And these are the military abductions where military will orchestrate
Speaker 1: an extraterrestrial experience for the person.
Speaker 2: Right correct, And he says they full on put him
Speaker 2: under in drugs, injected him. Yeah, they set him down
Speaker 2: in a chair. There was a little spinning wheel with
Speaker 2: the white black lines. They hypnotized him. They broke him
Speaker 2: off on a blacked out bus with a bunch of
Speaker 2: other people and showed him all kinds of stuff apparently
Speaker 2: at UFO and Hanger, and then they said we're going
Speaker 2: to bring someone out and none of you are to
Speaker 2: break rank. So mind you, this is a marine. Marines
Speaker 2: are pretty tough, and this is a great guy. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's absolutely this very philanthropic guy. He's done some amazing
Speaker 2: work to help people. Very intelligent guy at any rate.
Speaker 2: He's there with a group of other soldiers and being
Speaker 2: told do not break rank. Whatever happens, and they march
Speaker 2: in this seven foot tall reptilian who doesn't no tail
Speaker 2: or anything like that of chest plate on. He says
Speaker 2: he couldn't really tell what it was dressed like because
Speaker 2: it walked right up to these men and they all
Speaker 2: broke rank, all of them except him, and so it
Speaker 2: walked right up to him. Now I'm interviewing him and
Speaker 2: he starts weeping. I mean, he is a mess. And
Speaker 2: I said, listen, you know, if this is too much
Speaker 2: for you, we can you know, you don't have to
Speaker 2: do this. We can do this another time if you want,
Speaker 2: you know, not intention to cause you emotional distress, right,
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, listen, I got to get through this.
Speaker 2: I've got to tell somebody and basically said, okay, what
Speaker 2: did it look like? And he started crying. He's like,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you because I was too darn scared.
Speaker 2: What I can tell you because he couldn't describe the hands,
Speaker 2: you know, the clothes really much at all. He did
Speaker 2: see a badge of some kind with a dragon like
Speaker 2: or a serpent, and you said the eyes were very snakelike,
Speaker 2: and it had scally skin, and it was massive in
Speaker 2: terms of the shoulder, with very broad shoulders, incredibly muscular,
Speaker 2: seven feet tall, reptilian type mouth, reptilian nose, and just
Speaker 2: scared the living daylights out of him. And he blacked
Speaker 2: out at that point.
Speaker 1: So do you think the military is working with reptilian beings?
Speaker 2: That's the only case I ever got of that. And
Speaker 2: I don't want want to say that, yes, because we
Speaker 2: talked about that. I'm like, do you think you were
Speaker 2: my lab? I ended up writing about his case, and
Speaker 2: I think my book on board uf Phone Connor is
Speaker 2: my bestseller. And you know, we ended up calling that
Speaker 2: chapter the experiment because I listen, I was the victim
Speaker 2: of an experiment. He grew up in military housing. A
Speaker 2: lot of weird stuff like this was happening to him
Speaker 2: from day one. But he was a contact at a
Speaker 2: very young age and it was fine. He had a
Speaker 2: real good time with it.
Speaker 1: I've heard this many times, especially with people who are
Speaker 1: in intelligence or military families. They will have those terrifying
Speaker 1: encounters and there's oftentimes reptilian beings involved. So I have
Speaker 1: to wonder if there may be at least this negative
Speaker 1: faction of reptilian extraterrestrials that are working with branches of
Speaker 1: our intelligence or military.
Speaker 2: I don't have enough cass that I personally research or
Speaker 2: that I trust to say so. I have ran into
Speaker 2: reptilian cases a few times, and they were not hostile.
Speaker 1: I've heard that as well, and from what.
Speaker 2: I understand, because that's the only one well that even
Speaker 2: wasn't associated with the UFO. None of them have had
Speaker 2: you know, they weren't necessarily on board a UFO, right,
Speaker 2: I mean out in the wilderness is where I've gotten
Speaker 2: reports of people seeing.
Speaker 1: I've also heard underground bases taken to military facilities things
Speaker 1: of that nature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are military underground bases. I mean,
Speaker 2: the military is neck deep in this. This is something
Speaker 2: we do know, and that's not speculation. That's demonstrably true.
Speaker 2: We've got documentation and a whole army of whistleblowers enough
Speaker 2: to say that this is a subject that our government,
Speaker 2: and I'll use that term loosely, the intelligence agencies, the military,
Speaker 2: highest levels of the military military industrial complex are absolutely
Speaker 2: taking seriously and studying and putting tons of money, time
Speaker 2: and effort too. But what do you think he ultimately
Speaker 2: decided that these guys were demonic? Only guy I ever
Speaker 2: had that said that. One guy felt like, oh, they're
Speaker 2: gins because he had a host of very strange experiences
Speaker 2: that with a lot of paranormal stuff. But having interviewed
Speaker 2: several hundred people, almost all of them feel like, no,
Speaker 2: these were people ets. And it is a mixed bag.
Speaker 2: It's now puppies and rainbows by any means, because it
Speaker 2: can be very scary for people. But what I'm not getting,
Speaker 2: and I'm just want to emphasize this a little bit
Speaker 2: is what I would call outright sadistic behavior like we
Speaker 2: see on Earth where people are murdered and as salted
Speaker 2: and so forth. The scariest I get is the physical exam,
Speaker 2: which can be occasionally be painful.
Speaker 1: Speaking of what do you think is the purpose of
Speaker 1: these physical exams? What interest do the ones that actually
Speaker 1: take us and tinker with us, what interest do they
Speaker 1: have in humans?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a lot of speculation about this, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that they're experimenting on people,
Speaker 2: because I think what we're looking at. Thomas Bullard, a
Speaker 2: very early pioneering researcher, did a statistical analysis and study
Speaker 2: of three hundred on board cases and found that the
Speaker 2: physical exam is the single most common experience that people
Speaker 2: have when they're taken on board, which is absolutely true
Speaker 2: in my own files and those of other major researchers.
Speaker 2: So if there's something going on here, and some of
Speaker 2: my first cases involved healing, which I thought was really
Speaker 2: interesting because we didn't are we weren't hearing anything about that.
Speaker 2: But what we see this examination very frequently people are like, well,
Speaker 2: don't they know enough about the human body? Why do
Speaker 2: they keep doing this? And some people have gotten information
Speaker 2: on this and it appears to be a simple checkup.
Speaker 2: They're checking to make sure that that person is healthy,
Speaker 2: their genetics are okay, that you know, all the things
Speaker 2: a normal doctor would do, and healing takes place at
Speaker 2: least at least twenty percent of the time. Moufan did
Speaker 2: a study they found ten percent. In my own files,
Speaker 2: it's edging more towards thirty percent. But the Free study,
Speaker 2: which is the biggest study, found fifty percent, which is
Speaker 2: exactly what Edith Fiori, PhD found with her clients. She
Speaker 2: was a very early researcher as well. So I think
Speaker 2: that's one of the quote agendas. It's it's a simple checkup.
Speaker 2: They're following certain family lines. Certain family lines have genetics
Speaker 2: think that they find optimal for us and perhaps for
Speaker 2: them to some degree.
Speaker 1: So it's not everyone. You don't think everyone's being taken
Speaker 1: on some level.
Speaker 2: On some level, yeah, I didn't, But I was interviewing
Speaker 2: this guy from England, who, by the way, does not
Speaker 2: like the Grays. He says it's been a negative experience
Speaker 2: for him. I asked him, are they evil? No, not
Speaker 2: one person has ever since. These are outright evil well
Speaker 2: except for the marine. But he admits like he's he's garbled.
Speaker 2: He does not know to what extent his experiences are real.
Speaker 2: And what's my lad? He says, I think everyone because
Speaker 2: he had this experience that his was another experience where
Speaker 2: he's fully conscious. He's remembering this stuff without He's never
Speaker 2: done hypnosis, but remember this stuff fully consciously. And he
Speaker 2: was pulled on board once. Often he'll just be in
Speaker 2: his room and he knows they're coming, he's away. He
Speaker 2: punched one in the face, once kicked another one. They
Speaker 2: were not happy about that, because he could kind of
Speaker 2: feel them coming. Or he'd wake up and he'd pulled
Speaker 2: out his window and then he'd black out. Sometimes he didn't,
Speaker 2: and a number of times he didn't. Once he found
Speaker 2: himself on board and there was this human looking woman
Speaker 2: who was very amorous and she wanted to get into it,
Speaker 2: and she was very attractive, and he's hammering her with
Speaker 2: questions and she just keeps looking sad and saying, I
Speaker 2: can't tell you, you know, I can't tell you that
Speaker 2: He had the distinct impression that she had been raised there.
Speaker 2: She was wholly human looking, but had never been on earth.
Speaker 2: She didn't say that this was his impression. She just
Speaker 2: wanted to make out pull on. He's married, so he's
Speaker 2: feeling guilt. At the same time, this woman is coming
Speaker 2: at him hard and she's very attractive, and so he's
Speaker 2: got this kind of push Paul like no, well, and
Speaker 2: she's trying to get him down on the ground and
Speaker 2: he's examining the room. He starts to turn around and
Speaker 2: she's like, no, no, don't look there. Well, go ahead
Speaker 2: say that. No he has to luck, yeah, because why
Speaker 2: not sex, saying don't be afraid? Well, why would you
Speaker 2: say that? Now I'm afraid. A lot of people have
Speaker 2: told me about like, well, you had to go and
Speaker 2: say that, now I'm afraid. So he turns around and
Speaker 2: got a real shock because this was a room the
Speaker 2: size of a hangar, a gymnasium, and he said, these
Speaker 2: must have seen over one hundred people humans in various
Speaker 2: states of consciousness, most kind of entranced, some asleep. But
Speaker 2: they were hooked up, men and women doing it. And that's,
Speaker 2: you know, the best way I can say it without
Speaker 2: being really graphic.
Speaker 1: Making This is something I hear more often than you
Speaker 1: would think, Aliens trying to have sex with people trying
Speaker 1: to seduce them in some way. They also have the
Speaker 1: hybridization aspect, where some people are introduced to what is
Speaker 1: said to be their children on different craft, so.
Speaker 2: A lot of that, but these were not ets. These
Speaker 2: were humans. You did see two grays walk by and
Speaker 2: he jumped up, and she's like, just pay no attention
Speaker 2: to them. They don't matter, you know, they're not going
Speaker 2: to bother you. But he's looking at all these people
Speaker 2: and starts hammering her with questions, and she pulls them
Speaker 2: into another room, and she was just exuding kind of
Speaker 2: not sadness, but frustration, kind of melancholy a little bit,
Speaker 2: because she had all kinds of questions for him about
Speaker 2: what earth like was like Earth life. She was very,
Speaker 2: very interested in all of that, and that was essentially
Speaker 2: the end of that encounter. But yeah, he told me,
Speaker 2: he's like, listen, I think everyone's being taken. I don't
Speaker 2: think hardly anyone remembers. For some reason, I do. And
Speaker 2: I asked Dolly Saffron about that. She's another what I
Speaker 2: would call fully conscious contactee, and she's like, oh, yes,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of people. It's not absolutely everyone's being
Speaker 2: taken on board, but we are all known to them
Speaker 2: and every person has had some level of contact, which
Speaker 2: makes sense to me because j Allen Heinek, who we
Speaker 2: all know, father of modern eufology, part of Blue Book,
Speaker 2: he defected, he wrote his own books. This quoted as
Speaker 2: saying one in forty people have been on board a craft,
Speaker 2: which is of course millions. And that was followed up
Speaker 2: by the Roper Survey organization. They did a poll which
Speaker 2: found one in fifty people show the markers of being
Speaker 2: a contactee. So it's if not everybody almost.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's safe to say there are multiple
Speaker 1: different races of beings with multiple different intentions and agenda's
Speaker 1: desired outcomes for humanity.
Speaker 2: It's a true question, because I wouldn't quite put it
Speaker 2: that way. There's some truth to that. First of all,
Speaker 2: I'm going to push back on the idea that these
Speaker 2: are different races because from what I'm understanding, genetics, human
Speaker 2: genetics as we would think of it humanoid is very consistent,
Speaker 2: and that this is why we see cross what we
Speaker 2: would call cross breeding. Okay, but you know when someone
Speaker 2: you know, when there's a black person who mates with
Speaker 2: a white person, you don't call that child a hybrid. Now,
Speaker 2: it's just someone with mixed ancestry. So that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 2: These beings are all humanoid. They're all essentially human, but
Speaker 2: have very different ancestry, very different. But because this is
Speaker 2: the et message, we all share a common heritage. So
Speaker 2: I don't know that they're different species. I think maybe some,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. Dolly saffrage. She tells me no, no,
Speaker 2: they're all human essentially, which is the message a lot
Speaker 2: of contactees get. But as far as agendas, well, certainly
Speaker 2: there's different agendas. I think the Grays in particular have
Speaker 2: a real strong agenda with upholding human genetics, collecting animals, plants,
Speaker 2: because we're facing an existential crisis. Species are dying, you know,
Speaker 2: every year in large numbers, so I think that's one
Speaker 2: of their agendas is to make sure that none of
Speaker 2: this is permanently extinct. But we see many different agendas.
Speaker 2: One is absolutely to keep tabs in our technology. We
Speaker 2: know this because they hover over any jam and Coral
Speaker 2: Lorenzen were able to predict sightings because they said whenever
Speaker 2: there was a new factory built, a new power plant,
Speaker 2: UFOs would show up. So it looks very much like
Speaker 2: they're keeping tabs on our technology. I did a whole
Speaker 2: study of that with rocket launches. Anytime there's a rocket launch,
Speaker 2: you can bet a UFO is going to show up.
Speaker 2: I've got get this, Chris. I've got three cases of
Speaker 2: people who launch toy rockets, little toy rockets, and UFO
Speaker 2: has showed up to monitor that. So this is how
Speaker 2: close they're monitoring our technology. That's absolutely an agenda. Another
Speaker 2: I think would be tourism, which sounds crazy, but you
Speaker 2: see case after case of people who rush outside and
Speaker 2: there's this craft and there's people, men and women, only
Speaker 2: human looking for kind of just looking down and smiling
Speaker 2: and waving and going on by.
Speaker 1: Would you say that there are some that don't respect
Speaker 1: our free will. Some of these experiences seem extremely invasive.
Speaker 1: And when you're telling me there's people, groups of people
Speaker 1: in trances or not only in trances, being made to
Speaker 1: have intercourse while in a trance, I have to wonder
Speaker 1: if these people even agreed to this on any level,
Speaker 1: or if it's just based on that alien agenda.
Speaker 2: You see a bell curve here. And this is a
Speaker 2: very hot button topic, hot potato. It's very controversial because
Speaker 2: I've interviewed a number of contactees who felt very violated.
Speaker 2: This is the number one complaint, Like they're appearing in
Speaker 2: my bedroom, they're taking me without my will. I have
Speaker 2: no control over this. Those three things. I didn't ask
Speaker 2: for this. I don't have any control doing it against
Speaker 2: my permission. But then this is where it gets tricky,
Speaker 2: because these same people who I keep in touch with
Speaker 2: when it happens. Initially, this is the trigger response. I
Speaker 2: didn't ask for this. Who the f are you? Get
Speaker 2: out of my house? I don't like this, And it's
Speaker 2: incredibly scary when you find yourself on a craft. But
Speaker 2: by and large, these people are going to have another encounter,
Speaker 2: and then another, and then by the fourth fifth time
Speaker 2: they're starting to have a different outlook. And said, you said, oh,
Speaker 2: this is the Stockholm syndrome. I'm like, well, that's all
Speaker 2: well and good for you to say, but I will
Speaker 2: not gaslight a witness. If this is how they feel
Speaker 2: about their encounter, this is how they feel about it,
Speaker 2: and yeah, some feel absolutely violated, but a good majority
Speaker 2: a majority feel like, no, I actually think I did
Speaker 2: ask for this. I actually think that this ultimately is
Speaker 2: good for me, and I'm there. I wouldn't have trade
Speaker 2: this for anything, and I don't think they're evil. And yes,
Speaker 2: it was a very mixed bag because almost always in
Speaker 2: the beginning people will suffer from nightmares and insomnia and
Speaker 2: fear of intruders and PTSD clinical PTSD, and I have
Speaker 2: a real hard time with it. That is more the
Speaker 2: rules than the exception. But equally more the rules than
Speaker 2: the exception is that people ultimately feel okay about it,
Speaker 2: and that includes people who've had their babies taken. I've
Speaker 2: interviewed a number of them and wow, you know, a
Speaker 2: lady up in Maine, she's fine with it. One gentleman
Speaker 2: upstate New York, he was not okay with it. He
Speaker 2: had a lot of missing time. Finally had a fully
Speaker 2: conscious encounter. He was awake, he was in his bed
Speaker 2: when suddenly he says, it was really weird. It's almost
Speaker 2: like the ship moved into his room. They can do
Speaker 2: this interdimensially and pull you out that way. And he
Speaker 2: was shown his hybrid child and the little gray guys.
Speaker 2: This is his only fully conscious encounter. Told him, you know,
Speaker 2: you needed to know you've been asking this question. You
Speaker 2: need to know why we've been working with you. This
Speaker 2: is your child aren't you happy? Isn't this amazing? He said, no,
Speaker 2: I'm furious. How dare you? And he said he felt anger,
Speaker 2: he felt a lot of fear. He felt disgusted at
Speaker 2: seeing this child who was not really fully human, but
Speaker 2: seeing this child, he felt this incredible paternal affection and
Speaker 2: wanted to scoop it up and hold this child who
Speaker 2: is his. So it was very difficult for him. And
Speaker 2: he's another one of the I'm going to say ten
Speaker 2: percent who ultimately pushed it never happened. Pushed it never
Speaker 2: happened to them. And he's like, I don't even know
Speaker 2: why they're taking me. I've got high blood pressure, I've
Speaker 2: got Crohn's disease. I smoke like a chimney. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: have you gotten anything good out of it? He's like, well, yeah.
Speaker 2: He is profoundly psychic. And he said that they gave
Speaker 2: this to him because he has a mission to do.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what do you mean? Can you elaborate
Speaker 2: on that? He says, well, I'll be walking down the
Speaker 2: street and I will get a vision and it's them talking,
Speaker 2: and I talk to this person, and do you have
Speaker 2: any specific examples? One he saved a tight you know,
Speaker 2: someone's tired was about to fall off, and he pointed
Speaker 2: it out. I'm sure enough it was an Otherwise, he
Speaker 2: saw this lady walking down the street and he's like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this. They're very insistent, and
Speaker 2: so he walks up to her and he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I know you don't know me, but I'm getting a message.
Speaker 2: You know, I have psychic ability. You need to go
Speaker 2: home right now and talk to your husband. She's like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about. I don't know. He's like,
Speaker 2: just you know, I'm just passing the message. You can
Speaker 2: take out or leave it. And thought he would never
Speaker 2: see her again because he usually doesn't. But a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago by and he's in the grocery store
Speaker 2: standing in line, and two lines over there's this woman
Speaker 2: and he sees her and he's like, oh, there she is,
Speaker 2: and she turns and looks at him and her eyes
Speaker 2: go wide. She gets out of her line and goes
Speaker 2: running over to him, says, you're that man, aren't you.
Speaker 2: You're that man who walked up to me on the
Speaker 2: street and told you to go home. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember. She's I need to thank you so much.
Speaker 2: You absolutely do not know what you did for me.
Speaker 2: And he's like, what do you mean? She said, I
Speaker 2: went home and I had a wonderful evening with my husband.
Speaker 2: We had dinner, we talked all about all these topics,
Speaker 2: and in the morning when I woke up, he had
Speaker 2: passed away in his sleep. So wow, yeah, so he
Speaker 2: had a specific example. You know, if someone's going to
Speaker 2: tell me something, I want specific examples present.
Speaker 1: This was so wild. Before we close out, last thing
Speaker 1: I want to ask is do you think within our
Speaker 1: lifetime that some of these beings will make themselves known
Speaker 1: to all?
Speaker 2: I think it's a distinct possibility, and I don't think
Speaker 2: it's going to be open official contact in the way
Speaker 2: that we would love, any more than we're ever going
Speaker 2: to have open official disclosure in the way that we
Speaker 2: would like. I don't think we'll ever have full truth
Speaker 2: and transparency with the subject now with any of our
Speaker 2: current governments. But I can tell you that numerous contactees,
Speaker 2: and we're looking at hundreds, have gotten the same message
Speaker 2: that a time is coming when we remay face an
Speaker 2: existential crisis on this planet, meaning, you know, large loss
Speaker 2: of life and the sky will fill with craft and
Speaker 2: they'll land and they'll scow people up and save them,
Speaker 2: which sounds very science fiction y to me. This is crazy,
Speaker 2: but the message is very consistent and I hear it
Speaker 2: all the time. And if you look into the science
Speaker 2: on this, we are facing some tough times ahead in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, climatic crisis and weakening magnetic fields,
Speaker 2: possible poll tilts. That's a big warning from e T
Speaker 2: by the way, and we know historically that that has happened.
Speaker 2: This is scientifically proven, so yeah, I think that could
Speaker 2: happen within our lifetimes. I'm not a doom and gloomery here,
Speaker 2: you know. I would just underline that we're all eternal beings,
Speaker 2: so we're not going to be forever exterminated because ets
Speaker 2: don't look upon death is a thing like we do.
Speaker 2: So I think ultimately it's good news because we're living
Speaker 2: in a way that's non sustainable. So yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Excellent Preston, Thank you so much, some fantastic information in this.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely be doing it again. Before I let you go,
Speaker 1: remind the audience how they can get more of you.
Speaker 2: I'm easily reaching more on social media. Just type my
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Speaker 2: You can buy me books on Amazon and yeah, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you having me on. Chris is such an important subject.
Speaker 2: People deserve to know the truth, So I absolutely appreciate
Speaker 2: you having me on.
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