1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Arrow dot net aar r oe dot net. It's more 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,080 than just a podcast, it is a podcast network. One 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,640 of the hottest features is CTCs What does it really 4 00:00:09,759 --> 00:00:12,880 like to work at a grocery store? The inside outs 5 00:00:12,919 --> 00:00:17,079 and behind the scenes talks, plus whoa all of this 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,640 stealing and everything taking place right before your eyes? Oh yeah, 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,320 CTCs only on ero dot net a r r oe 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,480 dot net. Enjoy your exploration. Hey Joe, how are you 9 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:31,079 doing today? 10 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: Good? How you doing doing? 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,039 Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic, Very excited to talk to you about at 12 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:36,640 the exit. 13 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Erah, I appreciate the time. 14 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:42,719 Speaker 1: Man. You guys are really in a position right now 15 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:45,679 because there's such a rock movement that's happening right now. 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,600 This is this is exactly what is going on for 17 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:50,479 what is what is going to become the summer of 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,679 twenty twenty six. 19 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:56,079 Speaker 3: I certainly hope so. I mean, I feel like we've 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,439 fought against some of the grain. When we first started 21 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:01,880 coming out twenty eighteen, it was a little bit of 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,359 a different sound. But I feel like it's coming back 23 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:08,120 some so and the single's got a great response, so 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,439 we're pretty psyched on it. 25 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:12,079 Speaker 1: I can't be the only one that's sitting here thinking about, 26 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:14,319 oh my god, where on the playlist is this going 27 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,959 to go? And so inside my imagination, I said, it's 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,760 going to be the song right before the encore because 29 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:22,680 at the exit has that energy that says, oh my god, 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,319 and then you go to the OnCore and say, oh, 31 00:01:24,359 --> 00:01:25,840 I got to come back another night. I got I 32 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:26,799 gotta keep coming back. 33 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:31,879 Speaker 3: Hey, you're reading our mind. It is the second to 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,280 last song basically. So I mean, if it's a headlining show, yeah, 35 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:38,200 it's right before the encore. If it's you know, we're 36 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,319 supporting a national artist, it's a second to last song. 37 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:43,079 So yeah, you're right on that one. 38 00:01:43,159 --> 00:01:45,239 Speaker 1: So what is it like though, when you are supporting 39 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:47,640 the national act and it's like the opening act, You 40 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,879 guys are the ones that are like you created that 41 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:52,480 wave of energy or is it one of those where 42 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,959 you go, well, that's our job. We have to do 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,200 that for them. 44 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: It's a little bit of both. 45 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:00,239 Speaker 3: I mean, it's exciting because you get to play in 46 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,519 front of some people that probably wouldn't see you, especially locally. 47 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:06,560 You know, we have a pretty good reach locally, but 48 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,400 there's still people that are going to come out for 49 00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:10,520 a national that might not come out for like a. 50 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: Locals or regional type show. 51 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: So it's exciting to get to play in front of 52 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,960 maybe some people that wouldn't normally come see you, but 53 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,680 then also your fans and your friends and family come out, 54 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,400 and so's it's exciting to open. It's usually a little 55 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,120 bit bigger crowd, so we appreciate it. 56 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:31,039 Speaker 1: Well, you make that video very authentic in the way 57 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:33,319 that we all want to be backstage, and even if 58 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,719 we get that backstage pass, we don't get that experience 59 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:38,960 that your video gives us where you're physically walking through things. 60 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:39,879 I love that. 61 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, our video crew did an amazing job. 62 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: It was kind of took a vision I had of 63 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,159 coming to a defiant headlining show and kind of living 64 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:52,560 the whole day with us. It's crazy because that was 65 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,479 an eleven hour day for us and it fits in 66 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,199 what three and a half minutes for a music video. 67 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: But see, that's a good time period, because what are 68 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,439 they doing. They say that we only have the attention 69 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,360 span of us for about fifteen to thirty seconds, and 70 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,560 so but I mean when a song is that short, 71 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,039 to me, that feeds right into that what I call 72 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,280 the repeat. In other words, I'm just gonna hit repeat. 73 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's what's just saying, don't bor us get 74 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,719 to the chorus, Like, just just hit us with it 75 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,960 and then make us want to hear it again. 76 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: How did you build the light show around this song? 77 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,719 Because see, they won't let us in there to see 78 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:28,319 you guys practicing that light show, but except that to 79 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,479 me is so much a part of that live presentation. 80 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 81 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:36,159 Speaker 3: I mean the venue we were at, Excel Live in 82 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:40,240 Harrisburg has just an amazing sounding light cruise, and we've 83 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,840 played there enough times. I think that they know our 84 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,919 energy and give it what the best lighting setup for 85 00:03:48,039 --> 00:03:50,400 us is because we have a lot of energy, a 86 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,400 lot of strobing, likes a little bit of chaos, you know, 87 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:56,280 So we trust them totally to come up with what 88 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:59,319 they think is best because we've we've played there several times. 89 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Man, I'm so glad that you brought up that energy 90 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,479 because right away I'm going this band. I mean, instead 91 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,240 of going to a gym to work out, just become 92 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,120 a member of this band. Even if it's a roady 93 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,560 you're gonna get a workout in. 94 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, because we still lug around the big old amps 95 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,560 like that. So if you're gonna road roady for us, 96 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,399 you better get a workout in. But yeah, we don't wanna. 97 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,279 We don't want to stare at our shoes and boy 98 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,120 you we're gonna move around. We're gonna try to get 99 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,160 you involved. So I always say you're gonna bang your 100 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,240 head and shake your butt if you comes a defiant show. 101 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,319 Speaker 1: So, oh my god, I laugh when you say bringing 102 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:32,839 those big old amps, because we're all groaning, those of 103 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,399 us that have had to load up and put on 104 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,319 that stage and then take it down and put it 105 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:36,839 in the truck. 106 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, yeah we are so. 107 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,879 Speaker 3: I mean, I we play with so many bands locally 108 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,199 and around the country, and you know, some still do 109 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,160 what we do with so many of such a small 110 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,079 footprint anymore on stage. 111 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: Which you know is great for them. 112 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:56,399 Speaker 3: But we still like the sound and the feel of 113 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,839 pushing air through amps and just that natural raw sounds, 114 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,720 so we're gonna stick with it. 115 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,439 Speaker 1: Well, those they were built for sound, it's not you know, 116 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:08,319 because I use the bow's l ones. And the thing 117 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:11,480 is is that you know, it sounds good, it's very big. 118 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,480 But the thing is, though it still doesn't have that 119 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,399 thump that that you know that the old ones had. 120 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, I I need it for me personally. 121 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:24,439 Speaker 3: On stage it's like I know people that play with 122 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,439 in ears and it's almost like a silent stage, and 123 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:29,519 I can't do that. I need I feed off the 124 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:33,120 energy of the other instruments of the crowd. So I 125 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:36,399 definitely need that experience for me personally. 126 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,639 Speaker 1: Dead zones will silent me and that screws with my head. 127 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,439 I can't do it, dude, I really can't. I've got 128 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:43,360 to have full sound. 129 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:46,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with your air. 130 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,399 Speaker 1: Well, so how are you keeping those vocals really fine tuned? 131 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:52,839 And because what you guys are doing with your vocals, 132 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,319 I mean you're shifting, you're rising, you're grinding, You're going 133 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:57,399 in every single direction, and to me, it's one of 134 00:05:57,439 --> 00:05:59,160 those where you just sit there with your mouth wide open, 135 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,759 going okay, how the hell they do that? 136 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 137 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: I mean Al's are vocalists, and he he gets a 138 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:09,240 lot out of his voice. That's he's got a lot 139 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,519 of different ranges and styles that he can do. Very growllyn, 140 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,439 you can sing clean, He's got a great you know, 141 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,199 yell and everything. So I know that he's always doing uh, 142 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,759 you know, the last probably twenty thirty minutes before we 143 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,199 hit stage, he kind of goes into his little zone yep, 144 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,680 makes all sorts of crazy noises that I don't know 145 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:29,600 what's coming out. 146 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: Of his body. But he hits the chords ready to 147 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:36,759 do all that. So he's a great He's a great front. 148 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: Man to have. 149 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: I just saw a video over the weekend on how 150 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,240 Eddie Van Halen would go in and do six or 151 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,199 seven different different cuts with that guitar, and then he 152 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,959 would go back and listen to it, and that's how 153 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:50,040 he would create his live guitar solo. Is that a 154 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,839 normal thing because I've never heard of that before. 155 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: Uh, it's a I think everyone works a little bit differently. 156 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,639 So Al and I both play guitar in the band, 157 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,360 and we, you know, change off who's going to do 158 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,319 a solo, Who's going to do a lead based on 159 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,639 the song and the feel. So he's a little bit 160 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:13,199 different than he has a whole solo written pretty early 161 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,360 in the songwriting process. When he does it, I I 162 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,680 feel it out for a while. 163 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: I'll go several rehearsals. 164 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: Where we're doing it and try different things, and sometimes 165 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,199 I'm still in the studio right before I have to record, 166 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,800 and and I'm trying a couple different things, so everybody's different, 167 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:32,240 but yeah, you definitely try some different things out and 168 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:35,959 feel what fits the song the best. And so because 169 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,360 it's almost like a vocal melody of its own, like 170 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:41,199 you know great guitar solos, you can almost hum. 171 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a vocal I was. 172 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Gonna ask you that, how many of these songs actually 173 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:48,839 start as a hum? Damn dude, you were like right 174 00:07:48,879 --> 00:07:49,759 there in my notes. 175 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: I get a lot of when I'm songwriting, I am 176 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,480 thinking in my head as I'm driving. Driving is a 177 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:00,079 big thing for me listening to other music for and 178 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:02,439 also sometimes I just drive in silence to kind of 179 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:03,439 hear what goes on. 180 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:04,319 Speaker 2: Inside my head. 181 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,199 Speaker 3: Whether I'm physically humming out loud. You'll probably have to 182 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,680 sit next to me to tell me if I am 183 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:10,360 or if I'm not. 184 00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:14,959 Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Joe Defiant from 185 00:08:14,959 --> 00:08:19,199 Defiant coming up next. You got to check out the 186 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,439 new song. It's called at the Exit. You can get 187 00:08:21,439 --> 00:08:24,800 it on YouTube, you can get it on Spotify. iHeart Everywhere. 188 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,600 We're back with Joe Defiant from Defiant. Are you guys 189 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,279 marketing that phrase be defiant in your merchandise, because I 190 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:34,200 mean that just seems like something that you could sell 191 00:08:34,279 --> 00:08:37,120 nationwide or even globally. Just be defiant. 192 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, we use be defiant and stay defiant oh a lot. Yeah, 193 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,399 because a lot of it's in our social media posts. 194 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,279 You will end with stay defiant a lot just because. 195 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: We're not the band. 196 00:08:51,159 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: While we're somewhat political in nature, we're not telling you 197 00:08:53,879 --> 00:08:55,679 to pick a side because we don't really think either 198 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,080 side's out for the little man. So we're just saying 199 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,519 question everything, be defiant and stay defiant and don't settle. 200 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: Well, you're pretty much saying boldly resist authority, which I'm 201 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,759 sitting here going, that's my kind of rock band. Where 202 00:09:08,799 --> 00:09:10,600 were you back in the nineteen seventies when I was 203 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:13,399 growing up, dude, that's my kind of act right there. 204 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes I feel like we're in the same place 205 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:17,720 at the wrong time. 206 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:22,919 Speaker 2: But but I don't know. 207 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,879 Speaker 3: In this day and age, I think they try to 208 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:28,399 divide us so much. I think we need to unite 209 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,440 and be defiant to it all. So that's kind of 210 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,159 how we try to create a community around our band. 211 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:36,159 Speaker 1: Almost with so many cities I mean it's big, large, 212 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,919 small in the middle. Everywhere everybody seems to have a 213 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,440 festival going on. Are you guys getting hooked up to 214 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:42,159 that vibe? 215 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're hitting some of the smaller than medium sized festivals. 216 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,320 Like there's one coming up in June that's called Rock 217 00:09:51,399 --> 00:09:56,639 the River out in Oklahoma. There's rock They're all something 218 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,200 Rock on the Hill and Handover Pencil in June. 219 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:04,159 Speaker 2: And there's a couple other InCD in Amp. 220 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,519 Speaker 3: It's like a tattoo in uh band Festival in York, PA. 221 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:10,720 So like, yeah, we're hitting some of those small to 222 00:10:10,799 --> 00:10:13,320 medium sized festivals and just kind of trying to build 223 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,600 this thing from the ground up. 224 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,279 Speaker 1: But isn't that business wise a great place to shake 225 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,360 hands and kiss babies with other bands so that you 226 00:10:19,399 --> 00:10:20,240 can work together. 227 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially when we play out of town, because 228 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,399 you meet other bands, you can bring them to your 229 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,679 town first show, they'll maybe bring you back to their town. 230 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,799 So playing playing those festivals, you get to meet a 231 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:36,639 lot of people, and you're right, you get to network 232 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,679 all day long with a lot of different people. 233 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,759 Speaker 1: That's what I loved about the Warpfest is the fact 234 00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:42,480 that even as fans, we got to go in there 235 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,919 and we got to work it and to sit and 236 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,600 well even radio people, I'm not gonna lie to you, 237 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:47,679 we would sneak into that and get some of those 238 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,720 new songs and do whatever we could to help promote 239 00:10:49,759 --> 00:10:51,840 those bands, and then you know put you know, create 240 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:54,039 shows on the radio just so we could feature it. 241 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,120 And then people on the in the big companies wouldn't 242 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,960 go Now we didn't approve that, Well you did too, 243 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:00,519 because this is a new new show for a new music. 244 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:02,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 245 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: I mean we got especially in this day and age, 246 00:11:04,159 --> 00:11:06,360 we all got to work together to rise up, whether 247 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:11,000 it's bands, photographers, podcasters, radio stations. 248 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: Online radio, you know, like I welcome it all. 249 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:15,759 Speaker 3: Let's all work together and find a way to help 250 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:16,679 each other out. 251 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: What is that one thing that you take on stage 252 00:11:19,759 --> 00:11:22,159 with you that has got to be there no matter what, 253 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:24,440 Because I mean there's certain I have, I have certain 254 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,600 objects even in this studio, if they're not here, I'm 255 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,519 I'm not as comfortable as I want to be. I 256 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:29,519 got to have my stuff. 257 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: I usually wear most of it. I have a lot 258 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,960 of like good luck charms. 259 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: That so I have a lot on it. Like it 260 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:40,360 almost looks ridiculous. But like I have a raccoon town. 261 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,120 I have all sorts of like special like handkerchiefs and 262 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,399 whatever hanging off my you know, belt loop. And then 263 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:52,240 I always have a I usually have a truck or 264 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,200 hat strapped in my back. So because when I get 265 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,519 off stage, I want to put this mop under a 266 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:58,799 hat usually, so I have it. 267 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,519 Speaker 2: I have it at they're ready. Yeah. 268 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,919 Speaker 1: But but but you wear it well though, that mop, 269 00:12:02,919 --> 00:12:04,559 as you would call it, that's what my mom would 270 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,120 call and I would say, because I wear my hair. 271 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:07,720 It's in the middle of my back. It's like, this 272 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,399 is my signature. And when I look at your videos 273 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:12,120 and I see you, I'm going, it's the same damn 274 00:12:12,159 --> 00:12:14,600 thing you're you're wearing that you know, your image and 275 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:15,440 you know on that head. 276 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I we're not a band that's gonna 277 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,320 wear costumes or everything like that. But I mean, if 278 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,799 you see me in public, I'm probably wearing black jeans 279 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:27,000 and a black cutoff T shirt, even to the grocery store, 280 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:28,480 you know what I mean. So I'm not that different 281 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,240 between states. But you definitely have to have that. I mean, 282 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:36,360 it's a visual thing live music, so you gotta people 283 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:38,759 want to see what you look like. And you know, 284 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:41,519 I imitate some of the people I grew up, you know. 285 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: Watching and listening to. 286 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: And I'm sure people you know will take something from me, 287 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:46,840 maybe someday. 288 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:47,919 Speaker 2: Who knows. I had to. 289 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: I had to jump onto my book of Totem Animals here, dude, 290 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,360 and I looked up the raccoon and let's see if 291 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,159 this is you. You are goal oriented. It is a 292 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,840 time of indulging your curiosity with an open ended exp 293 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,200 is that you. 294 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, God, that does sound It's funny. I never looked 295 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,440 that up. That's the goal oriented part too. 296 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,639 Speaker 3: Like I mean I kind of act as the CLOSEI 297 00:13:10,759 --> 00:13:13,039 manager of the band locally. I mean we have John 298 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,279 our manager from Curtain Call, but like locally, I I 299 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,200 usually am the one that kind of sets up the shows, 300 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,360 books of shows, yeah, ranges the recording. So I'm definitely 301 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,240 more the business school oriented person of the band. 302 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: So that's funny that you look that. 303 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: Up, Oh my god, because it goes on to say 304 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,720 that you know, it pays close attention to signs and omens. 305 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,639 That suggests that you're getting the message and you're connecting 306 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,759 to people. Oh my god, dude, You've got the right 307 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:38,879 thing on stage with you. 308 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: That's so fun. 309 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: Now I'm never taking it off arrow you just say, hey, 310 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,120 you hammered it home? 311 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:45,639 Speaker 2: Right there? 312 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you? 313 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,399 And are we going to see you here in the 314 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,519 South because we like to rock down here, dude. 315 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Man. 316 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 3: We were just in Greenville, South Carolina and North Carolina 317 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,039 just late last year. And I love the Carolinas, man, 318 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,799 I love. I mean, I vacation a lot down in 319 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,080 South Carolina, but I love going to the South. 320 00:14:08,279 --> 00:14:08,519 Speaker 2: Really. 321 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 3: The Virginia all the way down through Florida is just 322 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,519 a fun area. There's a lot of cool festivals. We 323 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,600 missed it this year. We were at Daytona Bike festal 324 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,480 last year. But the easiest, yeah, the easiest place to 325 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,879 find us is our website, which is defiantpa dot com. 326 00:14:23,919 --> 00:14:29,159 Again Defiant Pa because there was another Defiant somewhere in Scandinavia, 327 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,200 I think at one point when we first started, so 328 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,279 we had to differentiate. 329 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: But you can go there. You find links to all. 330 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: Of our social media platforms, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, all of 331 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,200 our streaming like Spotify, Apple Music. Everything can be found 332 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,360 right there. Music videos, anything you want to see is 333 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,559 right on our website. 334 00:14:47,399 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: The store. 335 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: Do you suggest that the fans create those playlists, because 336 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:53,519 even as a mobile entertainer, everybody's given me their their 337 00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:55,480 their playlist, and it's like, and I always want to 338 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:57,120 make sure that I want to make sure that the 339 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,679 bands know that that, hey, we've just put you on 340 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,600 our pl Is that still a good thing, because I 341 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:03,720 know Spotify can be kind of itchy when it comes to, 342 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,720 you know, making sure you guys get your side of 343 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:06,080 the deal. 344 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not even so. 345 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,559 Speaker 3: I mean we all know what Spotify is, and the 346 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:15,720 financial end of it for bands is not great unless 347 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:19,840 you're up in the you know, slip knot, you know, stratosphere. 348 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:24,120 But like, uh, it's still important because I can go 349 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,279 on our artists side of it and see how many 350 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:29,960 people have a the exit on the on a playlist 351 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:33,200 right now, and how many people follow those playlists. So 352 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:35,840 it's like one of those things like in the old days, 353 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:38,399 we would like, you know, burn tapes and hand them 354 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,240 out to each other and like say share this with 355 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,840 your friend, go give a copy to them. 356 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: Now it's like that's Spotify playlist. 357 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,399 Speaker 3: That's where you make your mixtapes and you and you 358 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:49,840 can share with a lot more people a lot faster. 359 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,279 So it's to get a name heard and a song heard, 360 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,120 and you know, when you're not a. 361 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: Legacy act, I do think it's important. 362 00:15:57,399 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I love that when Alexi will do that. 363 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:01,639 Alex will play a song for me and go, Alexa, 364 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:03,639 who is this and then she says it says the name, 365 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:07,039 and I'll go, shit, that's exactly who it is, my god. So, 366 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,480 I mean, I love it that you know that you're 367 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:10,519 part of that mix as well, when when you hit 368 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:11,879 a song and then all of a sudden, you guys 369 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:14,399 become part of that. You know, when you're looking listening 370 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:16,600 for metal or any type of energy that's gonna you know, 371 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,240 have that live vibe to it. 372 00:16:20,559 --> 00:16:22,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we can fit with a lot of 373 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:26,440 different bands, so I mean it's a good place to be. 374 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: I mean, so add us to your playlists out there, please. 375 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: Wow. Well, you got to come back to this show 376 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,120 anytime in the future, dude, you know this door is 377 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,320 going to be wide open for you. 378 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,919 Speaker 3: Did I appreciate this was a great interview. I really 379 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,360 enjoyed talking to you. And hey, we'll come back for 380 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,440 the next single. 381 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:43,799 Speaker 1: All right, man, Will you be brilliant today? 382 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, man, be safe out there.