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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have a conversation with a woman you heard

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<v Speaker 1>fairly recently.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the owner of the Gleam Haunted car wash.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not haunted all year long, It's only haunted for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weekends in October. But she is being

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<v Speaker 1>haunted right now by the prospect of a big car

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<v Speaker 1>wash chain dropping in right down the street from her.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of private money, and I'm gonna explain where that

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<v Speaker 1>private money is coming from in the car wash industry

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<v Speaker 1>in just a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is creating a huge problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So joining me again, Emily Barrada, Welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Mandy, thank you for having me back. This show

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<v Speaker 3>is so fun. You are so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk for a second. I mean, how long

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<v Speaker 1>have you owned your car washes? You have one on

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<v Speaker 1>East Call Fax and one where's the other one? I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly where that is.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've got the one on East Call Fax is

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<v Speaker 3>two years old. The one in the Denver Highlands just

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<v Speaker 3>turned nine. Okay, we have had a good, successful run.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a great little car wash, two great little

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<v Speaker 3>car washes.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is happening now to reat in your existence.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't mean to be dramatic, but this actually

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<v Speaker 1>is a threat to your existence.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, that's not being dramatic whatsoever. That's that's why I

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<v Speaker 3>am here. So I was very surprised to hear that

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<v Speaker 3>aroa planning commission and a wor city council seems poised

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<v Speaker 3>to basically do nothing but facilitate the entrant of quick

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<v Speaker 3>trips new bubble bath car wash less than half a

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<v Speaker 3>mile from my brand new location. You know, I scraped

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<v Speaker 3>together all my money, all my friend's money, money from

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<v Speaker 3>people from church like we we invested millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in this blighted stretch along East Call Fax. We put

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<v Speaker 3>in my second location blood sweat, tears, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>been taken a while for it to stabilize, but we

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<v Speaker 3>put out a great car. It was a conditional use,

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<v Speaker 3>which is sort of a nerdy term. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>think that city council or planning would let would let

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<v Speaker 3>another competitor in that close because the big guys they

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<v Speaker 3>use a ton of water, they use a ton of energy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a bad land use and they're we gonna put

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<v Speaker 3>me out of business.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you said conditional use. What does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>So it basically gives city council the authority to say

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<v Speaker 3>not this use, not here, not now. So city Council's job,

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<v Speaker 3>as I understand it, in part, is to look at

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<v Speaker 3>allocation of resources which belong to all of us, and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we do want water used for this purpose, we do

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<v Speaker 3>want land used for this purpose, or we don't like

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<v Speaker 3>this is not a good use of this land. This

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<v Speaker 3>is not like we don't want to We don't want

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<v Speaker 3>a car wash here right now, because in the last

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<v Speaker 3>three years we have permitted fifteen brand new car washes

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<v Speaker 3>in Aura alone, and it's enough. We just we don't

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<v Speaker 3>want them that close. We don't want that many. We

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<v Speaker 3>only have so much potal water. I don't know about you, Mandy,

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<v Speaker 3>I my kids and I we started learning how to

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<v Speaker 3>ski a couple of years ago. The snowpack is low,

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<v Speaker 3>like drink up of water is a scarce resource. And

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<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't be letting in big chains who are going

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<v Speaker 3>to put little guys out of business. No more haunted tunnels.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and there's more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is kind of what I wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up because I find this fascinating. Now, I am not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad at people finding ways to use the

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<v Speaker 1>tax code to their advantage. Right, as long as you

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<v Speaker 1>are legally using the tax code and you're mitigate, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>All for that.

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<v Speaker 1>However, people don't realize, and maybe they've noticed this in

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<v Speaker 1>their communities, how many gas stations, car washes have popped

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<v Speaker 1>up all over the area. And there's a big reason

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Bonus depreciation is what we're gonna This is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go so nerdy and so hard. Just just bear

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<v Speaker 1>with me, you guys. Bonus depreciation which allows businesses to

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<v Speaker 1>depreciate or excuse me to, to mark off on their

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<v Speaker 1>taxes a certain amount for business depreciation of equipment that

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<v Speaker 1>they have purchased. And it's a reasonable thing to allow

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<v Speaker 1>people to depreciate the cost of that equipment because they

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay for it over time and it decreases.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of reasons for it, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a dumb thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was expanded under Trump's twenty seventeen tax over

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<v Speaker 1>which temporarily allowed one hundred percent ride offs on qualifying assets.

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<v Speaker 1>The perk began shrinking by twenty percentage points each year

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<v Speaker 1>after twenty twenty two, meaning a ten million dollar and

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<v Speaker 1>they use private jets. That's another thing right now, is

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<v Speaker 1>private jets. A ten million dollar plane bought in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three could generate an eight million dollar deduction. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because of the way this is written, So a car

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<v Speaker 1>wash is one of those things that can actually give

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<v Speaker 1>you that massive deduction because it is so equipment intensive,

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<v Speaker 1>especially to open it up. So gas stations and car

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<v Speaker 1>washes are incentivized. In what you have now is you

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<v Speaker 1>have large hedge funds, you have venture capitalists, you have

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<v Speaker 1>other ultra wealthy people who are investing in car washes,

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<v Speaker 1>gas stations, and private planes as a means of writing

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<v Speaker 1>things off on their taxes, which I'm not mad at

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<v Speaker 1>them about. But why is Aroar letting it happen so

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<v Speaker 1>close to an existing car wash?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the question I'd like an answer to.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love an answer to that too, And I

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<v Speaker 3>would ask your listeners to call city Council three o

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<v Speaker 3>three seven three nine seven oh one five, or they

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<v Speaker 3>can go to Gleam car Wash backslash be smart and

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<v Speaker 3>it'll give you all the links to your city council

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<v Speaker 3>and your mayor and you can say, hey, Listen, we

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<v Speaker 3>love our little local car wash, which incidentally where women owned,

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<v Speaker 3>locally owned. We're the greenest car wash probably in the country,

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty percent of my staff is neurodiverse. I'm guessing,

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<v Speaker 3>do you guys know what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it means that they may have some uh maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they're on the autism spectrum, or they have a developmental

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<v Speaker 1>delay that maybe would keep them from succeeding at a

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<v Speaker 1>more high tech job.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and I mean I have had people on the

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<v Speaker 3>spectrum start here and be non verbal, and after like

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<v Speaker 3>six or twelve months, they're on a team. They're treated

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<v Speaker 3>with respect, they're paid according to like their skill set.

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<v Speaker 3>Along with everybody else. They boss me around. We have

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<v Speaker 3>seen lives and I'm not joking. We we have transformed lives.

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<v Speaker 3>And we do this voluntarily. We don't get any tax breaks.

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<v Speaker 3>We just we started doing this. A friend of mine

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<v Speaker 3>runs a big nonprofit that only employs people on the spectrum,

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<v Speaker 3>and we found a place for them here. And so

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<v Speaker 3>not only well, not only will they put me out

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<v Speaker 3>of business by allowing Quick Trip to put in their

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<v Speaker 3>their bubble bath car wash, which will be another poorly

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<v Speaker 3>run water guzzling car wash, but they're potentially going to

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<v Speaker 3>put both my businesses out of out of business. That's

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<v Speaker 3>fifty jobs. Twenty percent go to people on the autism

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<v Speaker 3>spectrum or horror neurodiverse. We have, we have, We give

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<v Speaker 3>back in every way that we possibly can. It seems

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<v Speaker 3>like we are the sort of business that city council

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<v Speaker 3>and elected representatives should go out of their way to

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<v Speaker 3>help thrive, not just sit idly by while while while

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<v Speaker 3>we gasp for air and die, especially after investing all

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<v Speaker 3>this time, all this money, all this space and trying

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<v Speaker 3>to help ease coal facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this is this car wash attached to a Quick

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<v Speaker 1>Trip or is it a standalone My.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand is that it is. Oh it's owned by

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<v Speaker 3>Quick Trip, and I'd be immediately adjacent.

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<v Speaker 2>So like you go, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Get gas, you get a discount on a car wash.

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<v Speaker 3>You never even have to leave their site, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You essentially they could approve the Quick Trip and not

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<v Speaker 1>approve the bubble thing.

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<v Speaker 3>The Quick Trip convenience store and fueling station is already built. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>being fine, they don't need this car wash. They just

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<v Speaker 3>they just want a car wash, So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They can all the tax right off. Let's be real.

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<v Speaker 1>We just went over why the car washes are so

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<v Speaker 1>valuable for the companies that want to open them. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad at the companies for wanting to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you're going to come in, is there any

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism that you're aware of, because it seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>that a planning commission should be around to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we should do this a little further away.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And in fact, a lot of planning commissions and

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<v Speaker 3>city councils are doing this. Lakewood just did this. Boulder

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<v Speaker 3>has a version of this. This is happening in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not This is not a weird idea that

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<v Speaker 3>there are certain types of businesses that should be spaced

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<v Speaker 3>far enough apart for the betterment of all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether it is whether it's exhaust fumes, whether it's water use,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's anti competitive and anti free market like, the

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<v Speaker 3>people are moving in this space to recognize that this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't fair and this isn't right right, and city council

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<v Speaker 3>has this is a conditional use. Quick Trip does not

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<v Speaker 3>have a use by right to put a car wash

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<v Speaker 3>on that land they have. They need permission, and a

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<v Speaker 3>city council needs all it up and say we're sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>but not right now, just not right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I live in an area of Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>County where there's it's a running joke on next door

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<v Speaker 1>whenever there's something breaks ground, it's like, oh, what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of car wash are we getting there? It's it's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>So now that I know the motive behind it, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I am. I understand it. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, let's be smart about this. If you want,

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<v Speaker 1>if quick trip wants to open a place, you know

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of miles away, knock yourself out. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>not put someone out of busy is an independent operator,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're not going to be able to compete on price.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing I can't compete on price.

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<v Speaker 3>And these guys, as you mentioned earlier, these are ultra

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<v Speaker 3>wealthy organizations or people. I am not ultra wealthy. I

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<v Speaker 3>have one little car wash in Denver, and I opened

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<v Speaker 3>a second car wash, and we scraped together the money

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<v Speaker 3>for a very significant investment where no one had put

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<v Speaker 3>private dollars in that stretch of these collfacs between Chambers

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<v Speaker 3>and airport in a long long time. And I did that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I took a chance, and now I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 3>if I should regret that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hate to think that you would be regretting that.

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<v Speaker 2>But here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>So what exactly you're asking people to call city council?

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<v Speaker 1>What are the next steps? Can this be stopped?

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<v Speaker 3>It can't. City council needs, in my opinion, to do

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<v Speaker 3>with their job. So call city councilor go to glean

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<v Speaker 3>car wash backslash be smart. Council needs to call up

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<v Speaker 3>the decision that the Planning Commission made because Planning said,

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<v Speaker 3>oh okay, fine, we don't care like put another CA

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<v Speaker 3>wash in half a mile from a brand new, locally

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<v Speaker 3>owned car wash for it. City Council needs to call

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<v Speaker 3>up that decision and approve the call up. And then

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<v Speaker 3>the council needs to say we have changed and they've

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<v Speaker 3>done this in the past. This is not novel. Just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't happen all the time. They need to say, nope,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, We're going to reverse Planning Commission's decision.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not something that we want right now, So

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<v Speaker 3>this conditional use is denied and that's that all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I would urge people, I hope have you reached out

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<v Speaker 1>directly to any members of the city council.

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<v Speaker 3>I have and I do have some sympathetic ears. I

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<v Speaker 3>also didn't hear anything back from some of them either,

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean call council, like, yeah, and you vote,

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<v Speaker 3>and you want local businesses that give back to survive,

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<v Speaker 3>speaking don't want flight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, speaking of survive, you can go to glean this

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and maybe yes, maybe die or fright, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>she's she.

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<v Speaker 2>Needs her help with. Call city council. But then she's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna scare you to death. This is gonna a death, Emily,

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<v Speaker 2>what else? What else?

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<v Speaker 1>To go ahead and tell people a little bit again,

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<v Speaker 1>remind him about the haunted car wash this weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got two haunted car washes and actually we decided

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<v Speaker 3>to do Thursday, which is the day before Thanksgiving. So

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<v Speaker 3>we have one day left Halloween for Halloween. One yes,

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<v Speaker 3>one day left, seven to nine, nine thirty. If we've

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<v Speaker 3>got a line, which we have had the last two nights,

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<v Speaker 3>and we want to give a shout out to a rod.

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<v Speaker 3>He came to our first car wash out in Roy.

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<v Speaker 3>He came for two hours. He was dressed up as

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<v Speaker 3>a scary clown. He was amazing. It was super duper fun.

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<v Speaker 3>So Yeah, everybody come out seven to nine both locations

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<v Speaker 3>this Thursday last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Only you know what I'm just gonna say, Emily, Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>maybe somebody unscary could be there with a petition for

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, utilize great people that are going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>line and ask them to support your car wash.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just throwing that out there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe make one of the scary things in the

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<v Speaker 1>car wash big government.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go, Emily Veron. I appreciate your time

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<v Speaker 2>today so much.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Minni Connell, thank you for having me on

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<v Speaker 3>your show, not once but twice and lending me a rod.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hope I get to do this again.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope so too. Emily, thanks so much. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you, talk to you again soon.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you, thank you,