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Floyd Harvey, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hello Vic, it's good to be on.
Speaker 2: Well, it's good having you, not for the reasons that
we're here, but it's still good having nonetheless. But please
give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I am forty eight years old. I'm from Nashville, Tennessee.
I've been here all my life. I went to high
school here and I'm a drummer, so I'm I was
in a rock band for the longest time. That's what
I do for a living. And I'm a musician, so
a very musical person. And let's see, I like to
go hiking and canoeing and just having a great time
with friends. And yeah, not very much to say besides that.
You know, I'm just out going person and I'm just
very happy to be on the show. And it was
awesome to meet you yesterday for the first time and
had a great talk with you. But I'm here to
just tell my story and tell us as clear as
I can and as good as I can.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad to give you a platform to
do that, And I told you before, Thanks so much
for coming on. I do appreciate it. You've made a
strong effort to keep your encounter under wraps since it happened, Harvey,
Have you shared it with anyone until now?
Speaker 1: No, it's just my friend Chris and David and that
was also involved in this whole encounter thing. But no,
I haven't told anyone about this over twenty five years.
Speaker 2: That's a long time to keep this bottled up. It
really is. You just mentioned Chris and David. Unfortunately, Chris
lost his life as a direct result of this encounter
that you're going to tell us about tonight. How often
does that fact occupy your thoughts? Does it just once
in a while cross your mind or do you obsess
on it still?
Speaker 1: Every day? Every day? I think about Chris, you know,
and about this whole situation, and it's a pretty sad,
you know, situation. You know, it just ended up being
really painful to even talk about. But that's why I'm here.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I'm glad to give you a platform,
and I hope the fact that you're able to put
this out there on this public platform it gives you
some kind of a form of healing. I really hope
it does. You've kept this bottled up for so long.
What's the main motivating factor behind you wanting to go
public now? With that encounter.
Speaker 1: About takings? About time to come to terms with it
and just let it go. I mean, the only way
to let something go and get over it is to
tell the story, you know, just just get off your chest.
Speaker 2: Well, it's all about exposure when it comes to healing.
So yeah, I'm glad you decided that you want to
do that. I really am. From what I understand, you
didn't start listening to the show until earlier this week.
Does that mean you didn't know what you had that
encounter with until this week?
Speaker 1: Er?
Speaker 2: Did you know what dog men were before you had
that experience?
Speaker 1: I've never heard of it till recently. So it's something
that's new to me, and it's just my understanding. It's
just something that happened years ago and just couldn't be
explained even though it was real and it was right
there in your face. But yeah, for years, I was
in in doubt about it and couldn't come to grips
with it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. Things like dogmen aren't supposed to exist,
so yeah, that wouldn't make any difference from everyone else
who doesn't know. The first time we spoke, you said
that you don't believe in sasquatch. I'm not judging you now,
I'm just asking how can you not believe in existence
of sasquatch after having the dog man encounter that Y had.
Speaker 1: Well, because I guess, you know, I guess I never
saw one. I guess if you've never seen one, you
kind of like, okay, maybe it doesn't exist. But with
the dog man, I really truly believe in that. So
by us talking yesterday, I was thinking about it last
night and this morning that maybe Bigfoot does exist somewhere
out there. If this thing exists, you know, it could
exist too as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they definitely do. I can understand the skepticism.
I mean, after all, we've all been programmed to believe
that things like sasquatch and dog men can't be out there,
but they both are. You would just graduated from high
school when you had your encounter. That's awfully young to
have such a profound experience with that in mind, In
what ways would you say that experience shape the men
that you grew up to be Now?
Speaker 1: Well, you know I was young. I was nineteen. I
just graduated that May, and this happened on September the
twenty eighth. This was the twenty eighth. This was a
day at yeah, the day after my birthday. My b
they was on that Friday. So it really changed me
as a person and made me really understand, you know,
what life can be, and you know you could die
at any minute. You know, your life wasn't taken for granted.
You know, like some kids they think they could just
live forever and nothing could never happen. But with that experience,
it was it was a big reality check for me,
especially for Chris.
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dot Com. Your encounter happened at Montgomery Bell State Park
in Tennessee. What can you tell us about the park?
And was that the first time you had been there?
Speaker 1: Now it was actually a second time. We went on
a class trip there a couple of years back before that,
it was in ninety five. But yet we uh decided
that we you know, I decided I wanted to go
for my birthday. For we were just a couple of
friends just had a great time a little you know,
hiking and fishing and capping out for the weekend. And
uh me and my a couple of my friends, you know,
Chris and David. Of course, you know, David really didn't
want to go, but I really assist on day. Listen,
let's go and go. You know, we could just have
a good time, drink, you know at the time, you know,
but yeah, we decided, we decided to go. And David
took his own vehicle because he had to work the
next day, so he was only able to stay with
us for one day, uh night at the campgrounds. Okay.
Montgomery Bell is a really beautiful state park in Tennessee.
It's about an hour away from Nashville. Our south of Nashville,
and beautiful scenery. I mean, it's miles and miles of greenland.
It's got the main campground which you could take your RV's,
got hookups and all that, and it's also got a
hotel room with a built next door. It's not together
in one building, but it was connected kind of with
a big restaurant like a ballroom. And then down a
little bit ways you have like fifteen to twenty small
cabins which you could you could rent for the weekend.
Back in those days, you was able to camp for
free if you use your own supplies, like your if
you have your own tent and whatnot, you could use that.
And it's but it's followed down near the creeks. There's
a main creek and then there's little creek runs into
the lake of course, which they use that spot for
like Lover's Lane. You know, people, you know, couples go
down there and whatever. And then on the other side
is where we ended up being capping out. So we
got there. We left Nashville around around tennish and we
got there around twelve because we stopped at the store
got a few things. Then we went on down and
then we went and signed in. You have to sign
in of course, then you at the gate, then you
go in. Then there's like a twenty minute drive from
the gate main gate to where because you could park
where you camp. This is a big parking area. So
we went down there and parked, got everything out. Chris
had a camper for his truck. It's not a camper,
but it's like a tent where you could just fold
up and you know, put it back in the truck
and it hooks onto your bed. And I had a
tent and David had a tent. Well, we set everything up,
got ready for you know, got the fire going, and
then we was right there at the creek. So it
was an awesome place to fish. I mean, it was
a pretty deep creek and you know, on the other
side of the creek was nothing but forest, you know, greenlands.
But where we were at it was pretty much a field,
like not a field, but a flat, flat spot. There
is no trees in that area. So we was able
to look everwhere you know, three sixty look and could
see everything of course, and uh let's see uh okay.
Later that evening, after we went fishing and whatnot, we
was just drinking and having a great time and listening
to music and eating and just talking you know about
you know, there was asking me, Hey, how does it
feel to be out of school, you know, and what
are you going to do for the rest of your life?
You know, Uh, I didn't really know what I was
going to do. I was kind of like, you know,
in the process of just having a good time, you know,
just getting out of school that May and now now
that's that September, the leaves were falling, and that it
was so beautiful and it was chilly. It wasn't cold,
but it was just a nice day. The weekend was nice.
So we we did Friday night, and then the next
day David had to leave. He had to go to work,
so he had to drive back to Nashville. So we
helped him get everything together, you know. Then we you know,
said by to him and he went on his way,
and then me and Chris decided to go for lunch
up up the hill at the restaurant, which the restaurant
has nothing but glass walls. I mean, you could just
look over the whole place outside. It was awesome. It's
still very beautiful down there. So so we decided to
eat there and then you know, there were a few
people you know it was you know, was asking these
questions about, hey, have you ever been here? And I said,
yeah once before, I think it was a couple of
years back, and and they was telling me that they
had their just had their wedding anniversary there. So I
was very happy about that and just you know, saying gratulations.
And then we went back to the camp, hung out
for a little bit. We had a boom box, we
had like uh, you know CDs. We just played cities
all day and then we started fishing and then uh,
this was Saturday afternoon, and then uh, we went hacking. Chris.
It was his idea. See Chris was let me explain
to you about Chris. We was a year apart. It
was Chris, myself and David. David just started was about
to start or just started as uh, he was a
senior in high school, so he started that and I
just graduated and Chris graduated the year before I did
in ninety six. But it was you know Chris, you know,
he was always been a big jock, you know, big
big guy. You know, didn't you know, what's scared of anything.
You know, he was a wrestler in high school all
four years, and I played basketball all all four years
in high school. So we kind of that's how, you know,
we really got to know each other. We got to
meet that way through sports. And so he decided, hey,
let's go hiking. So we went hiking. And it Montgomery
Bell State Park less like ten I think it was
like nine or ten different different routes you could go,
you know, different trails, and he had to pick one
of the worst ones because it was up a hill.
And even back then, I really just didn't want to
go hiking. So I was like, okay, let's go hiking. Then.
So we went hiking, and oh boy, here we go.
We went up this hill and it was real windy,
and I had to stop right in the middle. I
had to stop and rest. I just couldn't do it.
And it was a big, big hill. So, you know,
I told Chris, go ahead. You know, I either I
either catch up with you or I'm gonna go back
to the you know camp, I mean, just go ahead
and go. And he went up you know, so many
feet and then he went around this little curve and
I could see his head, but I couldn't see his
body because the trees and the bushes. But I remember
him standing there and just looking forward, like white as
a ghost. And I was looking over at him and say, hey, man,
what you doing, What's going on? And he didn't answer.
And this happened for least a minute or two, I mean,
just him just standing there, and I didn't hear anything,
you know, I didn't hear any growling or anything. But
then he started screaming and hollering and he was running back.
Now as he was running back, he fell and nod
to go help him up, and he says, let's go
back to the camp. He wasn't even like, he wouldn't
even talk to me about it until until we got
back to the camp. But even when we got back
to the camp, he just said, look, I saw some
crazy stuff. I saw something really crazy, and I believe
you might not believe me, but I'm going to tell
you anyways. So he told me. I'm like, I was like,
maybe it was a deer or something, or maybe a bear,
you know, and he he says, no, I don't think
I don't think so. I think it was it looked
like a big animal, a big wolf type animal. And
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I really
was thinking he was messing with me, you know, because
he's always done that, he's always joked with me. So okay,
So later, you know, we got back, you know, we
was listened to some music and and then we ate.
I grilled out some hot dogs and hamburgers and and
drunk a six pack. And he didn't mention it anymore
after that. And I know I didn't mention it because
why should I. I didn't really believe in him at
the time. But but later that evening, it was around dark,
it just got dark. There's a spot there, this brick wall,
a little brick wall, and that's where they kept the
wood for the for the you know, for the fire pit.
Well I grabbed some wood, but you know, you know,
kept the fire going. And it was windy. It was
I remember it was so windy, uh because, uh my
tent kind of the little spikes came out of the
ground on one end, on one side, and he had
to help me put the spikes back back in the
ground from my tent. It was so windy, it was
starting to get cloud up. I could see it's kind
of cloudy, you know, and uh so, oh, this is
this is difficult.
Speaker 2: Would you like to take a break before you dive
into it?
Speaker 1: Oh, no, I'm going I'm going straight in. Okay. We
were sitting there, we was listening to that song. Inter
sad Man. No, it wasn't interesting, man, it was Unforgiven
by Metallica. I remember this song came on right at
the time this happened, and we heard some movement movement
and the bush across the way from the from the
creek on the other side of the creek, and Chris is,
that's pobably it. I'm like, what are you talking about.
It could be just a deer. I mean there's deers
all over this place. He says, I'm telling you, man,
it's not. And I'm like, was laughing at him. You know,
it was like, oh, shut up and listen to the music,
you know. I mean we was, you know, we was,
you know, just just yelling at each other, like, hey,
just shut up, you know this, Just have a good
time and just relax, man, because there's nothing out there
that's going to hurt you. He says, Oh, okay, okay.
So this this sound was happening off and on for
about an hour, and then all of a sudden, howling,
the worst howling that it's it's like American Railroad from
London where where David and and Jack was walking, you know,
up this hill, you know, and they hear the howl
in the back, you know, in the background. It's louder
than that. And it had an echo to it, but
it was more metallic than just the echo. It was
more like a like a click click click click click
with it, which didn't make sense to me, but yeah,
it it's It sounded awful. It sounded like nothing I've
ever heard before. And and and it's and when it happened,
it was so loud it maybe jumping him jump, you know,
like a scared jump. And I was like, I stood
there for a minute. I said, did you hear did
you even hear that? He says yes, And I said,
that's not that's not right, that's not something is really
close to us. And so but it kept it kept howling.
It just like it's like it wouldn't stop, you know,
it wouldn't stop howling. It just it just kept on,
kept on, kept on. Uh. And then the worst I
could I could I could think that it could be
as as a wolf, which they do. We do have
wolves here in Tennessee. We also have a lot of
wild game, like we have black bearris, we have a
lot of raccoons things like that. But I've never seen
a wolf, even heard of a wolf in person. So
that was the first and it really bothered me. And
then about an hour, maybe hour and a half later
than that, like later, it was about nine o'clock at night,
We're like almost tennish. The fire was going right, you know,
I put more wood on the fire, and we were
just sitting back, you know, in the lawn chairs, just
sitting back, listen to you know, music, and and something
came out of the woods at the on the other
side of the creek and it and it kind of
made like it was playing in the creek. I could
hear the water. I couldn't see past past because the
the it was so dark, you know, there was no
stars out, There was no lights out, I mean around
just the fire. That's the only light we had, and
that only went so far, didn't go past the creek.
So we was hearing something splashed around and I was like,
maybe that's a deer drinking water, you know. And then
it came a little bit closer and Chris turned around
and was staring at it. And here I am. I'm
like drinking a beer and just like jamming with the music.
And he says, hey, man, look at that. And I looked,
and I you know, I wear glasses, but back then
I didn't wear glasses. Some my eyes were really, really great.
I was able to see it right off the bat
If that would have happened now, it would have to
be in my face for me to see it. But
it was there. It was it was like a shadow.
I didn't see any detail at that time. And then
it went back into the woods. I saw the shadow
move back into the woods, and I was looking at
the trees, and it went across and it came back
out on the other side, and it was now it
was close to us. Now it was right in front
of us, not in front of us, but it was
just across the creek. So we weren't really close to
the creek. So there was about thirty yards from the creek,
so we was far away from the creek. So it
got close to where we could Now the moon is
shining at the east of us, and now the moon
was shining real bright, so we was able to see it.
Plus the fire, you know, we could see it. It
had it had very fine hair, not very long. It's
not like dog Man that we we know like that.
Everyone knows, like the listeners, they know dog Man very well.
They know the stories and they know what it looks like.
It's it doesn't. It didn't have a long mane, it
didn't have it had a lot of hair, but it
was very fine. And it looked like it didn't have hair,
you know, had a very long snout, long teeth. Uh,
but it was missing one. It was missing one of
its canines, the bottomed canine. I remember, it missed one
of them. It didn't have one, so uh. And it
looked like he was pretty messed up, like scarred up.
A lot of hair was missing from his face and
inside of his head ears was pointed up like a
domon pincher point straight up. But I can see his muscles.
I could see the because it was moving, and while
it was moving, I could see the muscles, you know,
And and that freaked me out so bad. We both
stood there, well, we were setting down. We sat, we
was setting down staring at this thing, and our faces
turned white as a ghost man. And Chris to be
as tough as he is, didn't you know, it wasn't
afraid of anything. He started crying. He started crying, and
believe me, I wanted to. It was like it looked
through your soul and we were staring right at it.
Like I was staring at his eyes yellowish green, like
an emerald green, but it was lighter than that. It
was more yellowish. But but you could see as it's
very well, and you can see his teeth very well.
And the whole time this thing was aggressive. The most
aggressive thing is like a rabbit dog. This thing was
growling the whole time. Tongue was sticking out, slava was
was going down his face, his mouth, and and he
was just going back and forth. But he had his
head on like he had his sights on us. The
whole time. He was going back and forth trying to
figure out, Okay, which one am I going to get first?
You know. It was kind of like that, like like
a primal hunting, primal thing, you know, and and and
you know, I never went uh uh uh. You know,
I've never shot an animal or I never uh went hunting.
But you know, but Chris had, so he knew all
about the way they act you know when they're about
to attack, you know. So this whole time it seemed
like forever, but it was only like ten minutes. This
thing was going back and forth, just just staring at us,
didn't take his eyes off of us. Then he'll look
at me, then he'll look at him. But the whole
time he was growling. And he was the deepest growl
that I've ever heard in my life, the deepest growl,
and it was so deep it shook my whole in
my chest, you know, And I swear to God, my
heart stopped for like two or three seconds. I couldn't breathe.
Every time it did that, I just couldn't breathe. And
then it started howling and made this big couple of
howls so loud my ears popped. It seemed like it popped,
but it started ringing, and I was so frozen in fear.
I couldn't even put my hands up against my ears
to cover my ears. I was just sitting there and
and it just my whole bite tends up, like am
I going to die tonight? But this whole time, Chris
is over there like crying and just like just standing there.
And every time they know how Chris will jump and
and he was shut up. You know, he wouldn't cry
anymore because he knew a crying might set this thing off,
just like animals pray. So this thing just walked, walk walked.
Then it finally gave out one more howl. Then it
turned around and ran off. And I could hear this
thing hit that creek, go over the creek and into
the woods, and for like five or ten minutes, I
couldn't move. My brain could not just couldn't process what
the heck I saw. I didn't know what I saw.
All I know is I saw something bad. You know,
I knew it wasn't anything paranormal, but I knew it
was something that I couldn't explain that I know, I
couldn't say anything to nobody about. And now I have
to carry this for the rest of my life, now
that no one's never gonna believe us. And I told
Chris that after I snapped him out of, you know,
this trance that he was in, pretty much because the
thing had us in a trance, I couldn't speak. I
wanted to yell, I couldn't yell. You know, there's a
lot of things I couldn't do that I wish I
would have, but I was just stuck in fear, you know,
and Chris, you know, Chris says, you know, whatever this
thing was, it wanted to kill us. This thing was
going back and forth looking at both of us, trying
to figure out which one am I going to kill first,
which one, which one am I going to attack first?
You know how like a wild animal, like let's say
a lion or tiger, how they would go back and forth.
That's that's what this thing was doing. But this whole time,
this thing was growling NonStop. And I've heard stories about
these these things that they don't make noise that much,
that they're not very aggressive, but this thing was very,
very aggressive. This thing was the worst thing that could
ever happen. When it comes to these type of encounters,
you do not want an aggressive dog man or whatever
this thing was, because the more aggressive these things get.
And just like you told me Vic yesterday, these things
go off of off of off of fear. So I
wish I would have known that then, that this thing.
If we would have just got up and ran and
got into the truck it took off right, then maybe
things would have been differently. But I think what happened
was it knew it got us and it and it
knew that it scared us, but it wasn't done yet.
Uh we after we got everything together, like like ourselves
together and and and we was able to talk. Uh.
I swore up and down that I would never I
would never be able to deal with it. And I
knew that, and uh, Chris had the worst time with it.
But but the thing was so scary when I want
to just tell everyone that that that I've heard these
stories that this thing was unlike any dog Man probably.
I mean, I've I've been watching videos today of dog Man,
and I've heard stories to day of dog Man, and
I can never you know, there was not one story
that I've heard so far that even compares to this.
This is like the scariest of the scariest encounter that
I've ever could imagine anybody to go through. The only
thing that it didn't do was attack us at that moment.
I think it was trying to see what we're all about.
It was trying to test us and it and it
it did his job at one It won it got
most of I forgot our attention, you know, at that time,
and uh, but it was all marked up. It was
all scarred up. It was like it just got into
a big, big fight with something and there was hair missing.
The whole side of its face was no hair. It
was like it was all missing. All you see was skin,
but red. It had red like scarring. So I saw
that around his muzzle. You know, it's no out. So
it looked really bad, like scary, scary, but it was real.
I smelt it because the wind was blowing towards us,
and we could smell it smelt gamey, smelt like like
an old dog's ben, you know, like like a wet dog.
That's exactly what it smelled like, like a wet dog. Yeah.
And then then after yeah, after that, it just it
just got worse. It just got worse.
Speaker 2: Before you tell us what happened next. Do you want
to take a break now?
Speaker 1: No, big, I think I could. I could go I
could go on from here. Uh do you have any
questions about any of that so far? Do you have
anything to say?
Speaker 2: I do have questions, but I'm gonna wait until you're
all done telling us about everything that happened that night.
Please remember, if you need any breaks, feel free to
take them don't rush, but whenever you're ready to continue, please.
Speaker 1: Do okay, Vic, okay. About forty five minutes from that later,
we decided to leave, but we left in a hurry.
I left everything. I left everything behind, and we left
everything behind. The radio was still playing and it was
playing that song nothing Else Matters by because we had
a CD of Metallica playing. It was playing nothing Else
Matters And what a song at that time to be
playing in those woods. And we was getting everything, you know,
we was trying to get what we could, and we
just left everything behind. And then we got to the
truck and we got in the truck, close door, rode
the windows up real you know, real fast. He couldn't
start the truck. Just the truck wasn't starting. There was
an old nineteen ninety one Ford. It was an old truck,
a four by four. So he tried to start, it
wouldn't start. It wouldn't start. And then see, back in
those days, we didn't have, like I said before, the
the We didn't have the the electronics that we have now,
or the technology uh to have a cell phone that
we could call nine one one, UH to go online
or whatever. We didn't have YouTube and Facebook, so we
we kind of had to do things ourselves. Like if
the worst part though, is up in those mountains, there's
no signals. So we did have a flip phone, but
a razor, an old razor, but he didn't have no signals,
so we couldn't call nine one one, We couldn't call out.
So but we did have this little thing with the
It was like a battery charger, but just had enough
charge to start at one time. You know, that's when
they first came out. So we plugged it up, but
it took fifteen minutes because the red light. It had
a meter and once it gets up to one hundred,
that means it's ready for you to start it. But
it had one charge only, so we had to make
this work. So we waited fifteen minutes, fifteen minutes. The
whole time I was staring at the camp. So now
I'm like, maybe see how many yards maybe twenty yards
from the fire pit, so it's pretty good, you know.
Ways I was staring make sure this thing just just
doesn't come back, doesn't come back. And then once we
got this thing to start, we got Intoto the truck,
and then once he started the truck, I was looking back.
This thing jumped onto the back of the truck on
the bed. And I swear to you, this is real.
This is not nothing like any nightmare that or rad.
This thing jumped on the truck. It was so heavy.
The back of the truck went down. I could hear
the shocks, just like having a ton of bricks just
slam into your you know, on your in your bed.
That's what it felt like. We took off and once
but before we took off, this thing was clawing at
the window. It was clawing. This thing was clawing on
top of the roof of the truck. It was clawing.
And then once he stepped on the gas he floored.
This thing fell off. And then once it fell off,
we could hear the scratching, the scratching, you know, him
try to hold on or grab something. So this this
was this was very real. And we took off and
we went up to the gate and there was no
one around. You know, there was some cap cap sites whatnot.
But while we was leaving the site, I can look
back at this thing. He was running towards He was
trying to chase the truck. And then he stopped and
went back where the fire pit was in the tent,
and he started tearing up the tent. He grabbed the
radio and he slammed the radio. Just went crazy and
just tore everything up and he started like howling and
just it was so crazy. It was like a wild animal,
like a wild like mange dog, you know, just went
totally crazy. I don't know if it was mad that
we was leaving, that it didn't get us. I don't know.
I still can't figure that out. But we got back
to Nashville. This was around twelve forty five in the morning.
It was you know, all this took place within two
or three hour time. So we got back I think
it was around one o'clock in the morning when we
got back to Nashville. He stayed with me that night
and that Sunday the next day, we went to David's
house and told David and he this is this is
what became of the friendship with David. David did not understand,
and he did not want to understand, and he thought
we were just crazy and or we was just drunk
the whole night and we saw things and there was
a big fight, big argument. Chris went totally ballistic. He
went totally nuts over this and that it destroyed our
relationship with David, our friendship. So that's a sad moment,
you know, and I have I've already talked to David
one other time, maybe a year or two ago. He
got married and had kids and moved to Alabama. But yeah,
I didn't bring it up to David, even though we're
not really frenzy anymore. It took us. I haven't talked
to him in twenty five years, but I did call
him a couple of years ago, and you know, and
just talked. I didn't see anything about I didn't never
brought up anything like that. But he did mention about Chris. Though. Well,
let's go back to Chris. After this whole encounter. Chris
was never the same after that. The men are changed.
His way of living changed, his way of thinking changed.
It was very emotional, very aggressive. He was very abusive
to his girlfriend. And every time he'll get mad, he'll
do something crazy. You know, he had a death wish.
There's one time I was not there, but his girlfriend was.
He got out of his truck at the train tracks
and jumped on a train because they had a little argument.
And you understand, there's cars behind him, you know, waiting
for the train to go. But the train was slow,
you know, it was really real slow. He got out
in the middle of the street and jumped on the
train and he jumped off like a couple of miles
down or whatever. He was really far down and it
took him a while to get back to the truck.
But yeah, people were upset and the cops were called
and and he got in trouble for it. He got
a big ticket for that. But then this was a
ninety seven and nineteen let's say two thousand of August,
the tenth of two thousand, and he got mad again
at his parents or somebody, and he got on his
bike and he just got a new spider, you know,
dirt bike, and he went without his helmet, and he
was acting crazy on the bike and he went it
was going one hundred miles an hour, and he hit this, uh,
he lost control and he flew off the bike and
hit the drainage ditch and knocked his head in and
he died on the spot. And his girlfriend came and
got me and I went up there and he was
laying there. So you know that we all lived a
couple of blocks from each other. So this happened right
where I lived, So it was it was very sad
that this whole time he went through what he went
through because of this experience. He's always told me that
this thing ruined his life, just totally ruined his life.
He had nightmares every single night, he had uh uh
night sweats. You know. I didn't go through a lot
with it. Uh. I think I think between both of us,
I think I took it better. You know. Me, I
was trying to pretty much want to understand what this
thing was and was very intrigued with it, Like I
really wanted to know what this thing was. But they
but Chris, he he thought it was a demon. He
thought as his family is Catholic, so he really felt
like he was possessed or or or even that he
was kind of cursed, you know. But he was never
the same after that. We we really didn't get along
with each other to you know, but we were still friends.
But it's pretty sad that he died with this on
his heart and without being able to deal with it
and get the help that he needed that he needed,
you know, from the whole encounter. But myself, I tried
to understand and I tried to take this experience that
I had back in those days and make it into
something positive. I dealt with it for a long long time,
twenty five years, and it took me a couple you know,
a couple of days ago. I figured out, look, I
need to say something. I need to let this story
be out there, and I need to tell everyone this
story that even had this experience or had an experience
like this. I believe you could get through anything if
you really have to. But if you really want to,
I think that's what you need to do. And this
very emotional and it and it grips your heart. And
this thing was very evil. It was like seeing the devil,
you know. I really felt like I saw the devil,
but it was dog man of what I've read and
and and and trying to get to what I looking
at photos of what it could be. This thing looks
kind of like that, but it looked more evil than anything.
The eyes were more slended still, you know, and and
and missed a couple of teeth, and and it just
made it look more creepier. And the hair was missing,
so and it was black. It was all black, straight black,
including the body part, you know, that you can see
the skin. It was all black, but you know, Chris was.
It was the outcome of this whole thing. I think
if the dog Man wanted to kill us, he already
took Chris, but he took Chris a different way. He
might have not killed Chris, but I think Chris. He
took Chris out in a different kind of way. Emotionally,
I think he drained his spirit, or he drained his
body of everything that he was, and he robbed him
of his personality. He robbed him of the life that
he could have had. You know, he turned Chris into
something that I did not didn't realize at the time
that it was a totally different person. I didn't know
him anymore. So, but it didn't change me in that way.
It changed me. I think it changed me in a
different way. It made made me want to do it
made me want to process this a different way, and
it wanted me to talk about this some kind of
like the spokesperson of Chris, you know, of trying to
take care of the situation at hand by talking about
it and make it well known to everyone that this
thing does exist. And I'm telling you I did not
believe in any of this stuff beforehand, but it only
took me a couple hours to see it. I was
a true believer, even though I didn't know what it
was at the time, you know, But now I know,
and I truly believe that this thing is real and
it's out there, especially Montgomery Bell. I mean, it's so
beautiful and so thick of wood, the wooded areas. I
believe it goes for miles and miles and miles. So
I believe it's out there somewhere, and it's still out there.
But my experience, you know, it took me to twenty
five years of doubt and like just didn't know how
to get the word out and didn't have the platform
to do so. But with Vic, you know, when I
met Vic yesterday, Vic, I think he really helped me
out to give me a certain understanding on how to
deal with this thing in this situation. It might have
been twenty five years, but it still seems like it
was this weekend, you know, just happened. I Mean, sometimes
I just get that feeling of dread. Then that's what
it does. It drains you from every positive fiber in
your body, and it gives you dread. It gives you remorse.
It gives you the sadness exactly what it did to Chris.
He was so depressed, was so sad. I mean, yeah,
I would try to take him out to have a
good time, try to, you know, like friends should do.
He could, he just would not laugh. He stopped laughing.
I think it took that away from him. I think
it took it made him into what it was, you know,
because he turned to a very aggressive guy. So I
don't know, man, it just happened, and I have to
deal with it, like we all do.
Speaker 2: You have to deal with it, but definitely not alone.
Like I told you yesterday, anytime you need help, I
always be there for you. You're never going to be
left alone to deal with this, so please never forget that.
But having said that, har of you. I've got a
lot of questions to ask you, but we don't have
nearly enough time for you to go over all these.
But I do have one question I want to ask
you before we get out of here, and that question is,
all these years later, if you could go back and
share one thing with Chris, what would that.
Speaker 1: Be if you would have lived. I believe if you
would have lived, I would have try to get him help.
I believe I should have gotten him help then, But
how could I help him if I needed help to?
You know, how could I help somebody that that I
couldn't even help myself? You know, I mean, you can't
help someone if you can't help yourself. You know, It's
just like you know, you see somebody drowning and you
go to help them, and then they, you know, end
up taking you under with them, so you have to
let him go. That's just the way it was with him.
I try to be a good friend. I try to
be there for him, but at the same time I
couldn't even be there for myself.
Speaker 2: It really is a bitter pill. You did all you
could to help him, but like you said, you were
not in a place to offer much help, so there's
only so much you could do. Your options were really limited.
And also, as you know, sometimes you can't help certain people.
It just happens that way sometimes. But yeah, please don't
be too hard on yourself about that. Like I mentioned earlier,
I don't have any time now to ask all these
questions I have for you, Harvey, but would you be
up for coming back.
Speaker 1: To do a Q and A yes, I'll be open
for that.
Speaker 2: Well, great, yeah, that's what we'll do. Then we'll just
have a Q and A in we'll get into all
these questions then. But I'm so sorry you had to
go through all this. I'm so sorry that Chris had
to go through all this and and all this happened
in the first place. I really am. But thanks again
so much of your time, and have a great night.