1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:28,879 Speaker 1: At a book. 2 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,560 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:42,719 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Harvey 6 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,519 Floyd Harvey, Welcome to the show. 7 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: Hello Vic, it's good to be on. 8 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,959 Speaker 2: Well, it's good having you, not for the reasons that 9 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:56,280 we're here, but it's still good having nonetheless. But please 10 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,079 give us a brief bio on yourself. 11 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: Well, I am forty eight years old. I'm from Nashville, Tennessee. 12 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:08,520 I've been here all my life. I went to high 13 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,439 school here and I'm a drummer, so I'm I was 14 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:16,840 in a rock band for the longest time. That's what 15 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,520 I do for a living. And I'm a musician, so 16 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:24,800 a very musical person. And let's see, I like to 17 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,000 go hiking and canoeing and just having a great time 18 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:34,840 with friends. And yeah, not very much to say besides that. 19 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,919 You know, I'm just out going person and I'm just 20 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,520 very happy to be on the show. And it was 21 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:46,599 awesome to meet you yesterday for the first time and 22 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,000 had a great talk with you. But I'm here to 23 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,199 just tell my story and tell us as clear as 24 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,439 I can and as good as I can. 25 00:02:56,479 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad to give you a platform to 26 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:01,520 do that, And I told you before, Thanks so much 27 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,080 for coming on. I do appreciate it. You've made a 28 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,759 strong effort to keep your encounter under wraps since it happened, Harvey, 29 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:11,599 Have you shared it with anyone until now? 30 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: No, it's just my friend Chris and David and that 31 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,960 was also involved in this whole encounter thing. But no, 32 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,560 I haven't told anyone about this over twenty five years. 33 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: That's a long time to keep this bottled up. It 34 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:34,319 really is. You just mentioned Chris and David. Unfortunately, Chris 35 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,560 lost his life as a direct result of this encounter 36 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:40,599 that you're going to tell us about tonight. How often 37 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:44,080 does that fact occupy your thoughts? Does it just once 38 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,280 in a while cross your mind or do you obsess 39 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,039 on it still? 40 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: Every day? Every day? I think about Chris, you know, 41 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,000 and about this whole situation, and it's a pretty sad, 42 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,840 you know, situation. You know, it just ended up being 43 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:08,159 really painful to even talk about. But that's why I'm here. 44 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I'm glad to give you a platform, 45 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,240 and I hope the fact that you're able to put 46 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,639 this out there on this public platform it gives you 47 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,639 some kind of a form of healing. I really hope 48 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,480 it does. You've kept this bottled up for so long. 49 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,199 What's the main motivating factor behind you wanting to go 50 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:28,439 public now? With that encounter. 51 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: About takings? About time to come to terms with it 52 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,240 and just let it go. I mean, the only way 53 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,759 to let something go and get over it is to 54 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,480 tell the story, you know, just just get off your chest. 55 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: Well, it's all about exposure when it comes to healing. 56 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:49,879 So yeah, I'm glad you decided that you want to 57 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,360 do that. I really am. From what I understand, you 58 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,519 didn't start listening to the show until earlier this week. 59 00:04:56,959 --> 00:04:58,519 Does that mean you didn't know what you had that 60 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,920 encounter with until this week? 61 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: Er? 62 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: Did you know what dog men were before you had 63 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:03,720 that experience? 64 00:05:05,079 --> 00:05:08,879 Speaker 1: I've never heard of it till recently. So it's something 65 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:13,680 that's new to me, and it's just my understanding. It's 66 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,199 just something that happened years ago and just couldn't be 67 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,000 explained even though it was real and it was right 68 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,720 there in your face. But yeah, for years, I was 69 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:28,639 in in doubt about it and couldn't come to grips 70 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:28,920 with it. 71 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. Things like dogmen aren't supposed to exist, 72 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,360 so yeah, that wouldn't make any difference from everyone else 73 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,879 who doesn't know. The first time we spoke, you said 74 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:43,480 that you don't believe in sasquatch. I'm not judging you now, 75 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,879 I'm just asking how can you not believe in existence 76 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,240 of sasquatch after having the dog man encounter that Y had. 77 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: Well, because I guess, you know, I guess I never 78 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,879 saw one. I guess if you've never seen one, you 79 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,000 kind of like, okay, maybe it doesn't exist. But with 80 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:04,879 the dog man, I really truly believe in that. So 81 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,360 by us talking yesterday, I was thinking about it last 82 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:15,279 night and this morning that maybe Bigfoot does exist somewhere 83 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,560 out there. If this thing exists, you know, it could 84 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:19,759 exist too as well. 85 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they definitely do. I can understand the skepticism. 86 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:27,240 I mean, after all, we've all been programmed to believe 87 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,360 that things like sasquatch and dog men can't be out there, 88 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,959 but they both are. You would just graduated from high 89 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,040 school when you had your encounter. That's awfully young to 90 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:41,839 have such a profound experience with that in mind, In 91 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,519 what ways would you say that experience shape the men 92 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,399 that you grew up to be Now? 93 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: Well, you know I was young. I was nineteen. I 94 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,560 just graduated that May, and this happened on September the 95 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,240 twenty eighth. This was the twenty eighth. This was a 96 00:06:57,319 --> 00:06:59,839 day at yeah, the day after my birthday. My b 97 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,839 they was on that Friday. So it really changed me 98 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:09,319 as a person and made me really understand, you know, 99 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:11,959 what life can be, and you know you could die 100 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,839 at any minute. You know, your life wasn't taken for granted. 101 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,879 You know, like some kids they think they could just 102 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:23,040 live forever and nothing could never happen. But with that experience, 103 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,000 it was it was a big reality check for me, 104 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:28,759 especially for Chris. 105 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,519 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was a big reality check. If 106 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:34,519 you've had a dog mean encounter that you need help 107 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,360 dealing with, or if you'd like to be a guest 108 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:40,000 on the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and 109 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,040 submit a report. If you've had a big Foot sighting, 110 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:44,519 we'll like to be a guest on one of my 111 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,279 two big Foot podcasts. Please go to my bigfoot sighting 112 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:52,800 dot Com. Your encounter happened at Montgomery Bell State Park 113 00:07:52,839 --> 00:07:55,600 in Tennessee. What can you tell us about the park? 114 00:07:55,879 --> 00:07:57,680 And was that the first time you had been there? 115 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: Now it was actually a second time. We went on 116 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,680 a class trip there a couple of years back before that, 117 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:11,720 it was in ninety five. But yet we uh decided 118 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:14,360 that we you know, I decided I wanted to go 119 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:17,040 for my birthday. For we were just a couple of 120 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,040 friends just had a great time a little you know, 121 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:25,040 hiking and fishing and capping out for the weekend. And 122 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,199 uh me and my a couple of my friends, you know, 123 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,560 Chris and David. Of course, you know, David really didn't 124 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,519 want to go, but I really assist on day. Listen, 125 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,000 let's go and go. You know, we could just have 126 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,799 a good time, drink, you know at the time, you know, 127 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:51,120 but yeah, we decided, we decided to go. And David 128 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,879 took his own vehicle because he had to work the 129 00:08:53,879 --> 00:08:57,799 next day, so he was only able to stay with 130 00:08:57,879 --> 00:09:03,159 us for one day, uh night at the campgrounds. Okay. 131 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,879 Montgomery Bell is a really beautiful state park in Tennessee. 132 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:13,440 It's about an hour away from Nashville. Our south of Nashville, 133 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:21,480 and beautiful scenery. I mean, it's miles and miles of greenland. 134 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:28,799 It's got the main campground which you could take your RV's, 135 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,879 got hookups and all that, and it's also got a 136 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:37,159 hotel room with a built next door. It's not together 137 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,840 in one building, but it was connected kind of with 138 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:46,559 a big restaurant like a ballroom. And then down a 139 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,600 little bit ways you have like fifteen to twenty small 140 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,399 cabins which you could you could rent for the weekend. 141 00:09:56,039 --> 00:10:01,440 Back in those days, you was able to camp for 142 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,559 free if you use your own supplies, like your if 143 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,960 you have your own tent and whatnot, you could use that. 144 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:15,279 And it's but it's followed down near the creeks. There's 145 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,879 a main creek and then there's little creek runs into 146 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,919 the lake of course, which they use that spot for 147 00:10:23,039 --> 00:10:25,440 like Lover's Lane. You know, people, you know, couples go 148 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:28,080 down there and whatever. And then on the other side 149 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:34,840 is where we ended up being capping out. So we 150 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,639 got there. We left Nashville around around tennish and we 151 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,919 got there around twelve because we stopped at the store 152 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:47,039 got a few things. Then we went on down and 153 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,840 then we went and signed in. You have to sign 154 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:53,919 in of course, then you at the gate, then you 155 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,559 go in. Then there's like a twenty minute drive from 156 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,960 the gate main gate to where because you could park 157 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:06,559 where you camp. This is a big parking area. So 158 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,080 we went down there and parked, got everything out. Chris 159 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,000 had a camper for his truck. It's not a camper, 160 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,000 but it's like a tent where you could just fold 161 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,559 up and you know, put it back in the truck 162 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,360 and it hooks onto your bed. And I had a 163 00:11:23,399 --> 00:11:26,799 tent and David had a tent. Well, we set everything up, 164 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,399 got ready for you know, got the fire going, and 165 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,480 then we was right there at the creek. So it 166 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,159 was an awesome place to fish. I mean, it was 167 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,679 a pretty deep creek and you know, on the other 168 00:11:40,759 --> 00:11:45,879 side of the creek was nothing but forest, you know, greenlands. 169 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,200 But where we were at it was pretty much a field, 170 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,879 like not a field, but a flat, flat spot. There 171 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,639 is no trees in that area. So we was able 172 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,679 to look everwhere you know, three sixty look and could 173 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:10,879 see everything of course, and uh let's see uh okay. 174 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:17,000 Later that evening, after we went fishing and whatnot, we 175 00:12:17,039 --> 00:12:21,360 was just drinking and having a great time and listening 176 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,120 to music and eating and just talking you know about 177 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,519 you know, there was asking me, Hey, how does it 178 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,600 feel to be out of school, you know, and what 179 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,080 are you going to do for the rest of your life? 180 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:35,240 You know, Uh, I didn't really know what I was 181 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,159 going to do. I was kind of like, you know, 182 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,960 in the process of just having a good time, you know, 183 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:44,519 just getting out of school that May and now now 184 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,080 that's that September, the leaves were falling, and that it 185 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,039 was so beautiful and it was chilly. It wasn't cold, 186 00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:56,440 but it was just a nice day. The weekend was nice. 187 00:12:58,519 --> 00:13:05,080 So we we did Friday night, and then the next 188 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,679 day David had to leave. He had to go to work, 189 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:16,639 so he had to drive back to Nashville. So we 190 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:22,240 helped him get everything together, you know. Then we you know, 191 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:24,399 said by to him and he went on his way, 192 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,799 and then me and Chris decided to go for lunch 193 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,720 up up the hill at the restaurant, which the restaurant 194 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:37,559 has nothing but glass walls. I mean, you could just 195 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,559 look over the whole place outside. It was awesome. It's 196 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:48,039 still very beautiful down there. So so we decided to 197 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:52,320 eat there and then you know, there were a few 198 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,559 people you know it was you know, was asking these 199 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,639 questions about, hey, have you ever been here? And I said, 200 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,480 yeah once before, I think it was a couple of 201 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:05,919 years back, and and they was telling me that they 202 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,639 had their just had their wedding anniversary there. So I 203 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:14,200 was very happy about that and just you know, saying gratulations. 204 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,039 And then we went back to the camp, hung out 205 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:21,600 for a little bit. We had a boom box, we 206 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:26,519 had like uh, you know CDs. We just played cities 207 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:31,960 all day and then we started fishing and then uh, 208 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:40,799 this was Saturday afternoon, and then uh, we went hacking. Chris. 209 00:14:40,879 --> 00:14:45,159 It was his idea. See Chris was let me explain 210 00:14:45,159 --> 00:14:49,080 to you about Chris. We was a year apart. It 211 00:14:49,159 --> 00:14:53,240 was Chris, myself and David. David just started was about 212 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,279 to start or just started as uh, he was a 213 00:14:57,879 --> 00:15:02,279 senior in high school, so he started that and I 214 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:06,200 just graduated and Chris graduated the year before I did 215 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:09,799 in ninety six. But it was you know Chris, you know, 216 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:12,720 he was always been a big jock, you know, big 217 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:18,039 big guy. You know, didn't you know, what's scared of anything. 218 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,159 You know, he was a wrestler in high school all 219 00:15:23,159 --> 00:15:27,720 four years, and I played basketball all all four years 220 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:31,039 in high school. So we kind of that's how, you know, 221 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,840 we really got to know each other. We got to 222 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:38,080 meet that way through sports. And so he decided, hey, 223 00:15:38,159 --> 00:15:43,919 let's go hiking. So we went hiking. And it Montgomery 224 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,639 Bell State Park less like ten I think it was 225 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:50,799 like nine or ten different different routes you could go, 226 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:53,759 you know, different trails, and he had to pick one 227 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:55,720 of the worst ones because it was up a hill. 228 00:15:55,759 --> 00:15:59,320 And even back then, I really just didn't want to 229 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,159 go hiking. So I was like, okay, let's go hiking. Then. 230 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:09,559 So we went hiking, and oh boy, here we go. 231 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:18,480 We went up this hill and it was real windy, 232 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,799 and I had to stop right in the middle. I 233 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:26,120 had to stop and rest. I just couldn't do it. 234 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,360 And it was a big, big hill. So, you know, 235 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,039 I told Chris, go ahead. You know, I either I 236 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,279 either catch up with you or I'm gonna go back 237 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:37,240 to the you know camp, I mean, just go ahead 238 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,600 and go. And he went up you know, so many 239 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:44,360 feet and then he went around this little curve and 240 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,279 I could see his head, but I couldn't see his 241 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,240 body because the trees and the bushes. But I remember 242 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,039 him standing there and just looking forward, like white as 243 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,120 a ghost. And I was looking over at him and say, hey, man, 244 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,119 what you doing, What's going on? And he didn't answer. 245 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,200 And this happened for least a minute or two, I mean, 246 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,480 just him just standing there, and I didn't hear anything, 247 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:16,079 you know, I didn't hear any growling or anything. But 248 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,039 then he started screaming and hollering and he was running back. 249 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:24,160 Now as he was running back, he fell and nod 250 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,359 to go help him up, and he says, let's go 251 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,559 back to the camp. He wasn't even like, he wouldn't 252 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:32,920 even talk to me about it until until we got 253 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,480 back to the camp. But even when we got back 254 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,079 to the camp, he just said, look, I saw some 255 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:44,039 crazy stuff. I saw something really crazy, and I believe 256 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,680 you might not believe me, but I'm going to tell 257 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,640 you anyways. So he told me. I'm like, I was like, 258 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,079 maybe it was a deer or something, or maybe a bear, 259 00:17:54,759 --> 00:18:01,079 you know, and he he says, no, I don't think 260 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:03,759 I don't think so. I think it was it looked 261 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:10,559 like a big animal, a big wolf type animal. And 262 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:13,799 I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I really 263 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,759 was thinking he was messing with me, you know, because 264 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:21,680 he's always done that, he's always joked with me. So okay, 265 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:24,799 So later, you know, we got back, you know, we 266 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:31,799 was listened to some music and and then we ate. 267 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,960 I grilled out some hot dogs and hamburgers and and 268 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,799 drunk a six pack. And he didn't mention it anymore 269 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:44,079 after that. And I know I didn't mention it because 270 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:49,799 why should I. I didn't really believe in him at 271 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:55,440 the time. But but later that evening, it was around dark, 272 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:03,160 it just got dark. There's a spot there, this brick wall, 273 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:06,039 a little brick wall, and that's where they kept the 274 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:09,839 wood for the for the you know, for the fire pit. 275 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,319 Well I grabbed some wood, but you know, you know, 276 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,119 kept the fire going. And it was windy. It was 277 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,000 I remember it was so windy, uh because, uh my 278 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,680 tent kind of the little spikes came out of the 279 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,480 ground on one end, on one side, and he had 280 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:32,279 to help me put the spikes back back in the 281 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:38,200 ground from my tent. It was so windy, it was 282 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,440 starting to get cloud up. I could see it's kind 283 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:46,839 of cloudy, you know, and uh so, oh, this is 284 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,240 this is difficult. 285 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: Would you like to take a break before you dive 286 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:56,200 into it? 287 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: Oh, no, I'm going I'm going straight in. Okay. We 288 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,319 were sitting there, we was listening to that song. Inter 289 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:15,559 sad Man. No, it wasn't interesting, man, it was Unforgiven 290 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:20,599 by Metallica. I remember this song came on right at 291 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:27,640 the time this happened, and we heard some movement movement 292 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,039 and the bush across the way from the from the 293 00:20:31,079 --> 00:20:35,279 creek on the other side of the creek, and Chris is, 294 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:38,000 that's pobably it. I'm like, what are you talking about. 295 00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:41,160 It could be just a deer. I mean there's deers 296 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,400 all over this place. He says, I'm telling you, man, 297 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,359 it's not. And I'm like, was laughing at him. You know, 298 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,519 it was like, oh, shut up and listen to the music, 299 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:54,400 you know. I mean we was, you know, we was, 300 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,880 you know, just just yelling at each other, like, hey, 301 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,160 just shut up, you know this, Just have a good 302 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,400 time and just relax, man, because there's nothing out there 303 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,720 that's going to hurt you. He says, Oh, okay, okay. 304 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,599 So this this sound was happening off and on for 305 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:20,680 about an hour, and then all of a sudden, howling, 306 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,759 the worst howling that it's it's like American Railroad from 307 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:31,839 London where where David and and Jack was walking, you know, 308 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,160 up this hill, you know, and they hear the howl 309 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,319 in the back, you know, in the background. It's louder 310 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:40,759 than that. And it had an echo to it, but 311 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:43,480 it was more metallic than just the echo. It was 312 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:45,599 more like a like a click click click click click 313 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:49,799 with it, which didn't make sense to me, but yeah, 314 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,000 it it's It sounded awful. It sounded like nothing I've 315 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,960 ever heard before. And and and it's and when it happened, 316 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,799 it was so loud it maybe jumping him jump, you know, 317 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,920 like a scared jump. And I was like, I stood 318 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,640 there for a minute. I said, did you hear did 319 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,680 you even hear that? He says yes, And I said, 320 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,720 that's not that's not right, that's not something is really 321 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:22,960 close to us. And so but it kept it kept howling. 322 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:26,880 It just like it's like it wouldn't stop, you know, 323 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,039 it wouldn't stop howling. It just it just kept on, 324 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:40,359 kept on, kept on. Uh. And then the worst I 325 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,079 could I could I could think that it could be 326 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,759 as as a wolf, which they do. We do have 327 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:52,079 wolves here in Tennessee. We also have a lot of 328 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:57,039 wild game, like we have black bearris, we have a 329 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:03,680 lot of raccoons things like that. But I've never seen 330 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,000 a wolf, even heard of a wolf in person. So 331 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,279 that was the first and it really bothered me. And 332 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:18,559 then about an hour, maybe hour and a half later 333 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,680 than that, like later, it was about nine o'clock at night, 334 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:28,440 We're like almost tennish. The fire was going right, you know, 335 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,240 I put more wood on the fire, and we were 336 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:32,160 just sitting back, you know, in the lawn chairs, just 337 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:41,079 sitting back, listen to you know, music, and and something 338 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,160 came out of the woods at the on the other 339 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,079 side of the creek and it and it kind of 340 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:54,400 made like it was playing in the creek. I could 341 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,319 hear the water. I couldn't see past past because the 342 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,240 the it was so dark, you know, there was no 343 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,519 stars out, There was no lights out, I mean around 344 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:09,039 just the fire. That's the only light we had, and 345 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,400 that only went so far, didn't go past the creek. 346 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,640 So we was hearing something splashed around and I was like, 347 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,160 maybe that's a deer drinking water, you know. And then 348 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:27,839 it came a little bit closer and Chris turned around 349 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,160 and was staring at it. And here I am. I'm 350 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,880 like drinking a beer and just like jamming with the music. 351 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,640 And he says, hey, man, look at that. And I looked, 352 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,000 and I you know, I wear glasses, but back then 353 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:44,680 I didn't wear glasses. Some my eyes were really, really great. 354 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,880 I was able to see it right off the bat 355 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,240 If that would have happened now, it would have to 356 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,000 be in my face for me to see it. But 357 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,480 it was there. It was it was like a shadow. 358 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,920 I didn't see any detail at that time. And then 359 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,039 it went back into the woods. I saw the shadow 360 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,000 move back into the woods, and I was looking at 361 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,440 the trees, and it went across and it came back 362 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,599 out on the other side, and it was now it 363 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,319 was close to us. Now it was right in front 364 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:24,000 of us, not in front of us, but it was 365 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,000 just across the creek. So we weren't really close to 366 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:38,359 the creek. So there was about thirty yards from the creek, 367 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:41,920 so we was far away from the creek. So it 368 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:46,359 got close to where we could Now the moon is 369 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,440 shining at the east of us, and now the moon 370 00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:53,680 was shining real bright, so we was able to see it. 371 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,720 Plus the fire, you know, we could see it. It 372 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:06,119 had it had very fine hair, not very long. It's 373 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,440 not like dog Man that we we know like that. 374 00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:13,480 Everyone knows, like the listeners, they know dog Man very well. 375 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,480 They know the stories and they know what it looks like. 376 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,359 It's it doesn't. It didn't have a long mane, it 377 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,799 didn't have it had a lot of hair, but it 378 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:25,799 was very fine. And it looked like it didn't have hair, 379 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:33,079 you know, had a very long snout, long teeth. Uh, 380 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,759 but it was missing one. It was missing one of 381 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:40,400 its canines, the bottomed canine. I remember, it missed one 382 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,400 of them. It didn't have one, so uh. And it 383 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,240 looked like he was pretty messed up, like scarred up. 384 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,720 A lot of hair was missing from his face and 385 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:53,480 inside of his head ears was pointed up like a 386 00:26:53,519 --> 00:27:03,680 domon pincher point straight up. But I can see his muscles. 387 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,720 I could see the because it was moving, and while 388 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,759 it was moving, I could see the muscles, you know, 389 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:16,839 And and that freaked me out so bad. We both 390 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,440 stood there, well, we were setting down. We sat, we 391 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:29,119 was setting down staring at this thing, and our faces 392 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,480 turned white as a ghost man. And Chris to be 393 00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:35,720 as tough as he is, didn't you know, it wasn't 394 00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:40,759 afraid of anything. He started crying. He started crying, and 395 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,079 believe me, I wanted to. It was like it looked 396 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,079 through your soul and we were staring right at it. 397 00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:52,799 Like I was staring at his eyes yellowish green, like 398 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,880 an emerald green, but it was lighter than that. It 399 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,240 was more yellowish. But but you could see as it's 400 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,319 very well, and you can see his teeth very well. 401 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:08,319 And the whole time this thing was aggressive. The most 402 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:14,279 aggressive thing is like a rabbit dog. This thing was 403 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:20,039 growling the whole time. Tongue was sticking out, slava was 404 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:26,359 was going down his face, his mouth, and and he 405 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:28,880 was just going back and forth. But he had his 406 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,880 head on like he had his sights on us. The 407 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,000 whole time. He was going back and forth trying to 408 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:39,720 figure out, Okay, which one am I going to get first? 409 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,759 You know. It was kind of like that, like like 410 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:46,400 a primal hunting, primal thing, you know, and and and 411 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,359 you know, I never went uh uh uh. You know, 412 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,559 I've never shot an animal or I never uh went hunting. 413 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,440 But you know, but Chris had, so he knew all 414 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,039 about the way they act you know when they're about 415 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:15,559 to attack, you know. So this whole time it seemed 416 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:19,960 like forever, but it was only like ten minutes. This 417 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,839 thing was going back and forth, just just staring at us, 418 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,920 didn't take his eyes off of us. Then he'll look 419 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,599 at me, then he'll look at him. But the whole 420 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,680 time he was growling. And he was the deepest growl 421 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,559 that I've ever heard in my life, the deepest growl, 422 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,880 and it was so deep it shook my whole in 423 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,720 my chest, you know, And I swear to God, my 424 00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:57,319 heart stopped for like two or three seconds. I couldn't breathe. 425 00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:02,279 Every time it did that, I just couldn't breathe. And 426 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:05,480 then it started howling and made this big couple of 427 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,440 howls so loud my ears popped. It seemed like it popped, 428 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,960 but it started ringing, and I was so frozen in fear. 429 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:17,880 I couldn't even put my hands up against my ears 430 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,440 to cover my ears. I was just sitting there and 431 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,960 and it just my whole bite tends up, like am 432 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,400 I going to die tonight? But this whole time, Chris 433 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,079 is over there like crying and just like just standing there. 434 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:37,319 And every time they know how Chris will jump and 435 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,880 and he was shut up. You know, he wouldn't cry 436 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:46,359 anymore because he knew a crying might set this thing off, 437 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:54,839 just like animals pray. So this thing just walked, walk walked. 438 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,119 Then it finally gave out one more howl. Then it 439 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:02,200 turned around and ran off. And I could hear this 440 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,400 thing hit that creek, go over the creek and into 441 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,640 the woods, and for like five or ten minutes, I 442 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:16,359 couldn't move. My brain could not just couldn't process what 443 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,519 the heck I saw. I didn't know what I saw. 444 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,559 All I know is I saw something bad. You know, 445 00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:29,160 I knew it wasn't anything paranormal, but I knew it 446 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,319 was something that I couldn't explain that I know, I 447 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,079 couldn't say anything to nobody about. And now I have 448 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:36,720 to carry this for the rest of my life, now 449 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,640 that no one's never gonna believe us. And I told 450 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,440 Chris that after I snapped him out of, you know, 451 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:47,200 this trance that he was in, pretty much because the 452 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,839 thing had us in a trance, I couldn't speak. I 453 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,759 wanted to yell, I couldn't yell. You know, there's a 454 00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,039 lot of things I couldn't do that I wish I 455 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,960 would have, but I was just stuck in fear, you know, 456 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:09,720 and Chris, you know, Chris says, you know, whatever this 457 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,559 thing was, it wanted to kill us. This thing was 458 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:18,480 going back and forth looking at both of us, trying 459 00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:21,039 to figure out which one am I going to kill first, 460 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:25,160 which one, which one am I going to attack first? 461 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,200 You know how like a wild animal, like let's say 462 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,720 a lion or tiger, how they would go back and forth. 463 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,079 That's that's what this thing was doing. But this whole time, 464 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:45,319 this thing was growling NonStop. And I've heard stories about 465 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,799 these these things that they don't make noise that much, 466 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,160 that they're not very aggressive, but this thing was very, 467 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:57,519 very aggressive. This thing was the worst thing that could 468 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,000 ever happen. When it comes to these type of encounters, 469 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,720 you do not want an aggressive dog man or whatever 470 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:08,960 this thing was, because the more aggressive these things get. 471 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,279 And just like you told me Vic yesterday, these things 472 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:19,880 go off of off of off of fear. So I 473 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,599 wish I would have known that then, that this thing. 474 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,519 If we would have just got up and ran and 475 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:31,440 got into the truck it took off right, then maybe 476 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,640 things would have been differently. But I think what happened 477 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,039 was it knew it got us and it and it 478 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:44,200 knew that it scared us, but it wasn't done yet. 479 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,200 Uh we after we got everything together, like like ourselves 480 00:33:50,200 --> 00:34:00,279 together and and and we was able to talk. Uh. 481 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,839 I swore up and down that I would never I 482 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:07,119 would never be able to deal with it. And I 483 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:13,679 knew that, and uh, Chris had the worst time with it. 484 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:20,639 But but the thing was so scary when I want 485 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,199 to just tell everyone that that that I've heard these 486 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:30,719 stories that this thing was unlike any dog Man probably. 487 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,519 I mean, I've I've been watching videos today of dog Man, 488 00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,000 and I've heard stories to day of dog Man, and 489 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:40,960 I can never you know, there was not one story 490 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,119 that I've heard so far that even compares to this. 491 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:51,840 This is like the scariest of the scariest encounter that 492 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,880 I've ever could imagine anybody to go through. The only 493 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:02,199 thing that it didn't do was attack us at that moment. 494 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,960 I think it was trying to see what we're all about. 495 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,159 It was trying to test us and it and it 496 00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:17,559 it did his job at one It won it got 497 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:22,320 most of I forgot our attention, you know, at that time, 498 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,440 and uh, but it was all marked up. It was 499 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,639 all scarred up. It was like it just got into 500 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,880 a big, big fight with something and there was hair missing. 501 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,400 The whole side of its face was no hair. It 502 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,880 was like it was all missing. All you see was skin, 503 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:46,440 but red. It had red like scarring. So I saw 504 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:53,119 that around his muzzle. You know, it's no out. So 505 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:59,159 it looked really bad, like scary, scary, but it was real. 506 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,360 I smelt it because the wind was blowing towards us, 507 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:10,559 and we could smell it smelt gamey, smelt like like 508 00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:13,159 an old dog's ben, you know, like like a wet dog. 509 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:17,760 That's exactly what it smelled like, like a wet dog. Yeah. 510 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:24,079 And then then after yeah, after that, it just it 511 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:26,400 just got worse. It just got worse. 512 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,559 Speaker 2: Before you tell us what happened next. Do you want 513 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:33,400 to take a break now? 514 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: No, big, I think I could. I could go I 515 00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:44,000 could go on from here. Uh do you have any 516 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:47,119 questions about any of that so far? Do you have 517 00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:47,880 anything to say? 518 00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,679 Speaker 2: I do have questions, but I'm gonna wait until you're 519 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,599 all done telling us about everything that happened that night. 520 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,079 Please remember, if you need any breaks, feel free to 521 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:02,559 take them don't rush, but whenever you're ready to continue, please. 522 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: Do okay, Vic, okay. About forty five minutes from that later, 523 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,840 we decided to leave, but we left in a hurry. 524 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,360 I left everything. I left everything behind, and we left 525 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:31,360 everything behind. The radio was still playing and it was 526 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,159 playing that song nothing Else Matters by because we had 527 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,519 a CD of Metallica playing. It was playing nothing Else 528 00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:44,000 Matters And what a song at that time to be 529 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,199 playing in those woods. And we was getting everything, you know, 530 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,760 we was trying to get what we could, and we 531 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,840 just left everything behind. And then we got to the 532 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,760 truck and we got in the truck, close door, rode 533 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480 the windows up real you know, real fast. He couldn't 534 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,440 start the truck. Just the truck wasn't starting. There was 535 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,039 an old nineteen ninety one Ford. It was an old truck, 536 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,360 a four by four. So he tried to start, it 537 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:19,800 wouldn't start. It wouldn't start. And then see, back in 538 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,480 those days, we didn't have, like I said before, the 539 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,880 the We didn't have the the electronics that we have now, 540 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:33,519 or the technology uh to have a cell phone that 541 00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:38,000 we could call nine one one, UH to go online 542 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:42,079 or whatever. We didn't have YouTube and Facebook, so we 543 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,320 we kind of had to do things ourselves. Like if 544 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,320 the worst part though, is up in those mountains, there's 545 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,840 no signals. So we did have a flip phone, but 546 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:56,800 a razor, an old razor, but he didn't have no signals, 547 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,679 so we couldn't call nine one one, We couldn't call out. 548 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,760 So but we did have this little thing with the 549 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,400 It was like a battery charger, but just had enough 550 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,440 charge to start at one time. You know, that's when 551 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,639 they first came out. So we plugged it up, but 552 00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,440 it took fifteen minutes because the red light. It had 553 00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,639 a meter and once it gets up to one hundred, 554 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,159 that means it's ready for you to start it. But 555 00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,719 it had one charge only, so we had to make 556 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,000 this work. So we waited fifteen minutes, fifteen minutes. The 557 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:35,719 whole time I was staring at the camp. So now 558 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:49,519 I'm like, maybe see how many yards maybe twenty yards 559 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:53,119 from the fire pit, so it's pretty good, you know. 560 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,800 Ways I was staring make sure this thing just just 561 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:04,400 doesn't come back, doesn't come back. And then once we 562 00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,400 got this thing to start, we got Intoto the truck, 563 00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:13,360 and then once he started the truck, I was looking back. 564 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,519 This thing jumped onto the back of the truck on 565 00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:19,920 the bed. And I swear to you, this is real. 566 00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:23,480 This is not nothing like any nightmare that or rad. 567 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:26,920 This thing jumped on the truck. It was so heavy. 568 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,000 The back of the truck went down. I could hear 569 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,320 the shocks, just like having a ton of bricks just 570 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,639 slam into your you know, on your in your bed. 571 00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:43,599 That's what it felt like. We took off and once 572 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,800 but before we took off, this thing was clawing at 573 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,840 the window. It was clawing. This thing was clawing on 574 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,519 top of the roof of the truck. It was clawing. 575 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,719 And then once he stepped on the gas he floored. 576 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:18,239 This thing fell off. And then once it fell off, 577 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,400 we could hear the scratching, the scratching, you know, him 578 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,800 try to hold on or grab something. So this this 579 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,719 was this was very real. And we took off and 580 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:38,679 we went up to the gate and there was no 581 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,880 one around. You know, there was some cap cap sites whatnot. 582 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,239 But while we was leaving the site, I can look 583 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:53,320 back at this thing. He was running towards He was 584 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,679 trying to chase the truck. And then he stopped and 585 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,159 went back where the fire pit was in the tent, 586 00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,360 and he started tearing up the tent. He grabbed the 587 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,679 radio and he slammed the radio. Just went crazy and 588 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:12,559 just tore everything up and he started like howling and 589 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,840 just it was so crazy. It was like a wild animal, 590 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,920 like a wild like mange dog, you know, just went 591 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,519 totally crazy. I don't know if it was mad that 592 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:29,880 we was leaving, that it didn't get us. I don't know. 593 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,800 I still can't figure that out. But we got back 594 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:42,639 to Nashville. This was around twelve forty five in the morning. 595 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,639 It was you know, all this took place within two 596 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,440 or three hour time. So we got back I think 597 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,039 it was around one o'clock in the morning when we 598 00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:59,599 got back to Nashville. He stayed with me that night 599 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:04,960 and that Sunday the next day, we went to David's 600 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,360 house and told David and he this is this is 601 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:17,159 what became of the friendship with David. David did not understand, 602 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,920 and he did not want to understand, and he thought 603 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,599 we were just crazy and or we was just drunk 604 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,400 the whole night and we saw things and there was 605 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,960 a big fight, big argument. Chris went totally ballistic. He 606 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:40,679 went totally nuts over this and that it destroyed our 607 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:50,239 relationship with David, our friendship. So that's a sad moment, 608 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:54,639 you know, and I have I've already talked to David 609 00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:57,679 one other time, maybe a year or two ago. He 610 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:06,280 got married and had kids and moved to Alabama. But yeah, 611 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,519 I didn't bring it up to David, even though we're 612 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:12,880 not really frenzy anymore. It took us. I haven't talked 613 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,519 to him in twenty five years, but I did call 614 00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,599 him a couple of years ago, and you know, and 615 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,480 just talked. I didn't see anything about I didn't never 616 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:29,360 brought up anything like that. But he did mention about Chris. Though. Well, 617 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:36,199 let's go back to Chris. After this whole encounter. Chris 618 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,840 was never the same after that. The men are changed. 619 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,199 His way of living changed, his way of thinking changed. 620 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:53,320 It was very emotional, very aggressive. He was very abusive 621 00:44:53,440 --> 00:45:01,400 to his girlfriend. And every time he'll get mad, he'll 622 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,960 do something crazy. You know, he had a death wish. 623 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:11,880 There's one time I was not there, but his girlfriend was. 624 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,519 He got out of his truck at the train tracks 625 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,159 and jumped on a train because they had a little argument. 626 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:24,239 And you understand, there's cars behind him, you know, waiting 627 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,000 for the train to go. But the train was slow, 628 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:32,000 you know, it was really real slow. He got out 629 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,199 in the middle of the street and jumped on the 630 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,159 train and he jumped off like a couple of miles 631 00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:42,400 down or whatever. He was really far down and it 632 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,239 took him a while to get back to the truck. 633 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,760 But yeah, people were upset and the cops were called 634 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,559 and and he got in trouble for it. He got 635 00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:56,599 a big ticket for that. But then this was a 636 00:45:56,679 --> 00:46:05,440 ninety seven and nineteen let's say two thousand of August, 637 00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:08,639 the tenth of two thousand, and he got mad again 638 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,119 at his parents or somebody, and he got on his 639 00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:17,039 bike and he just got a new spider, you know, 640 00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:22,159 dirt bike, and he went without his helmet, and he 641 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,280 was acting crazy on the bike and he went it 642 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,039 was going one hundred miles an hour, and he hit this, uh, 643 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,639 he lost control and he flew off the bike and 644 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,159 hit the drainage ditch and knocked his head in and 645 00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:38,360 he died on the spot. And his girlfriend came and 646 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,800 got me and I went up there and he was 647 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,440 laying there. So you know that we all lived a 648 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,199 couple of blocks from each other. So this happened right 649 00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:52,079 where I lived, So it was it was very sad 650 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,559 that this whole time he went through what he went 651 00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:57,800 through because of this experience. He's always told me that 652 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,840 this thing ruined his life, just totally ruined his life. 653 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,239 He had nightmares every single night, he had uh uh 654 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:14,239 night sweats. You know. I didn't go through a lot 655 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,360 with it. Uh. I think I think between both of us, 656 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,639 I think I took it better. You know. Me, I 657 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,960 was trying to pretty much want to understand what this 658 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,559 thing was and was very intrigued with it, Like I 659 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,559 really wanted to know what this thing was. But they 660 00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,840 but Chris, he he thought it was a demon. He 661 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,480 thought as his family is Catholic, so he really felt 662 00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:47,719 like he was possessed or or or even that he 663 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:54,199 was kind of cursed, you know. But he was never 664 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,039 the same after that. We we really didn't get along 665 00:47:57,079 --> 00:48:01,480 with each other to you know, but we were still friends. 666 00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:04,679 But it's pretty sad that he died with this on 667 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,599 his heart and without being able to deal with it 668 00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:11,880 and get the help that he needed that he needed, 669 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,719 you know, from the whole encounter. But myself, I tried 670 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:23,280 to understand and I tried to take this experience that 671 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,360 I had back in those days and make it into 672 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,400 something positive. I dealt with it for a long long time, 673 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:35,400 twenty five years, and it took me a couple you know, 674 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,519 a couple of days ago. I figured out, look, I 675 00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:40,199 need to say something. I need to let this story 676 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,800 be out there, and I need to tell everyone this 677 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,679 story that even had this experience or had an experience 678 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,519 like this. I believe you could get through anything if 679 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,360 you really have to. But if you really want to, 680 00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:58,480 I think that's what you need to do. And this 681 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,400 very emotional and it and it grips your heart. And 682 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:10,039 this thing was very evil. It was like seeing the devil, 683 00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:17,800 you know. I really felt like I saw the devil, 684 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:23,280 but it was dog man of what I've read and 685 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,000 and and and trying to get to what I looking 686 00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:29,719 at photos of what it could be. This thing looks 687 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,760 kind of like that, but it looked more evil than anything. 688 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,000 The eyes were more slended still, you know, and and 689 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,800 and missed a couple of teeth, and and it just 690 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,360 made it look more creepier. And the hair was missing, 691 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:49,639 so and it was black. It was all black, straight black, 692 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,159 including the body part, you know, that you can see 693 00:49:54,159 --> 00:50:01,719 the skin. It was all black, but you know, Chris was. 694 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,320 It was the outcome of this whole thing. I think 695 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,760 if the dog Man wanted to kill us, he already 696 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,800 took Chris, but he took Chris a different way. He 697 00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:19,360 might have not killed Chris, but I think Chris. He 698 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,840 took Chris out in a different kind of way. Emotionally, 699 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,519 I think he drained his spirit, or he drained his 700 00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:33,360 body of everything that he was, and he robbed him 701 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,400 of his personality. He robbed him of the life that 702 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,719 he could have had. You know, he turned Chris into 703 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:47,840 something that I did not didn't realize at the time 704 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,440 that it was a totally different person. I didn't know 705 00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:56,639 him anymore. So, but it didn't change me in that way. 706 00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,480 It changed me. I think it changed me in a 707 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,400 different way. It made made me want to do it 708 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,920 made me want to process this a different way, and 709 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,360 it wanted me to talk about this some kind of 710 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,119 like the spokesperson of Chris, you know, of trying to 711 00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:15,639 take care of the situation at hand by talking about 712 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,239 it and make it well known to everyone that this 713 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,679 thing does exist. And I'm telling you I did not 714 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,119 believe in any of this stuff beforehand, but it only 715 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:29,559 took me a couple hours to see it. I was 716 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:33,880 a true believer, even though I didn't know what it 717 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,480 was at the time, you know, But now I know, 718 00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:41,760 and I truly believe that this thing is real and 719 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,880 it's out there, especially Montgomery Bell. I mean, it's so 720 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,960 beautiful and so thick of wood, the wooded areas. I 721 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,039 believe it goes for miles and miles and miles. So 722 00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,239 I believe it's out there somewhere, and it's still out there. 723 00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,199 But my experience, you know, it took me to twenty 724 00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:09,239 five years of doubt and like just didn't know how 725 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,159 to get the word out and didn't have the platform 726 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:17,519 to do so. But with Vic, you know, when I 727 00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:22,480 met Vic yesterday, Vic, I think he really helped me 728 00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:26,440 out to give me a certain understanding on how to 729 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:31,559 deal with this thing in this situation. It might have 730 00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,079 been twenty five years, but it still seems like it 731 00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:39,360 was this weekend, you know, just happened. I Mean, sometimes 732 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,280 I just get that feeling of dread. Then that's what 733 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,199 it does. It drains you from every positive fiber in 734 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:54,320 your body, and it gives you dread. It gives you remorse. 735 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,559 It gives you the sadness exactly what it did to Chris. 736 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:03,320 He was so depressed, was so sad. I mean, yeah, 737 00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:05,360 I would try to take him out to have a 738 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,440 good time, try to, you know, like friends should do. 739 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,760 He could, he just would not laugh. He stopped laughing. 740 00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:16,800 I think it took that away from him. I think 741 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,840 it took it made him into what it was, you know, 742 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:29,519 because he turned to a very aggressive guy. So I 743 00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:33,039 don't know, man, it just happened, and I have to 744 00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:36,159 deal with it, like we all do. 745 00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:38,599 Speaker 2: You have to deal with it, but definitely not alone. 746 00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:42,000 Like I told you yesterday, anytime you need help, I 747 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,280 always be there for you. You're never going to be 748 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,920 left alone to deal with this, so please never forget that. 749 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,719 But having said that, har of you. I've got a 750 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,679 lot of questions to ask you, but we don't have 751 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,840 nearly enough time for you to go over all these. 752 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,679 But I do have one question I want to ask 753 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,800 you before we get out of here, and that question is, 754 00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:04,800 all these years later, if you could go back and 755 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,960 share one thing with Chris, what would that. 756 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:13,800 Speaker 1: Be if you would have lived. I believe if you 757 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,199 would have lived, I would have try to get him help. 758 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,920 I believe I should have gotten him help then, But 759 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,639 how could I help him if I needed help to? 760 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:33,519 You know, how could I help somebody that that I 761 00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:40,280 couldn't even help myself? You know, I mean, you can't 762 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,719 help someone if you can't help yourself. You know, It's 763 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,239 just like you know, you see somebody drowning and you 764 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,320 go to help them, and then they, you know, end 765 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,480 up taking you under with them, so you have to 766 00:54:54,519 --> 00:55:00,199 let him go. That's just the way it was with him. 767 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,800 I try to be a good friend. I try to 768 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:10,480 be there for him, but at the same time I 769 00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:11,960 couldn't even be there for myself. 770 00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,440 Speaker 2: It really is a bitter pill. You did all you 771 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,639 could to help him, but like you said, you were 772 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,280 not in a place to offer much help, so there's 773 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,440 only so much you could do. Your options were really limited. 774 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,880 And also, as you know, sometimes you can't help certain people. 775 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,960 It just happens that way sometimes. But yeah, please don't 776 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,119 be too hard on yourself about that. Like I mentioned earlier, 777 00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,039 I don't have any time now to ask all these 778 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:42,960 questions I have for you, Harvey, but would you be 779 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:44,079 up for coming back. 780 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,599 Speaker 1: To do a Q and A yes, I'll be open 781 00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:47,880 for that. 782 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,239 Speaker 2: Well, great, yeah, that's what we'll do. Then we'll just 783 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,599 have a Q and A in we'll get into all 784 00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:57,039 these questions then. But I'm so sorry you had to 785 00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:59,320 go through all this. I'm so sorry that Chris had 786 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,039 to go through all this and and all this happened 787 00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:05,480 in the first place. I really am. But thanks again 788 00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,840 so much of your time, and have a great night.