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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, you don't understand about lawyers. Here's the thing

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<v Speaker 2>about lawyers. They will always find a way to bill you.

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<v Speaker 2>They get paid by the fifteen minute increment. This is

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<v Speaker 2>why when you talk to a lawyer and he says, oh, so,

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<v Speaker 2>how are your kids doing? Is little Jimmy still at

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<v Speaker 2>software ball practice? You say, shut the hell up, I

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<v Speaker 2>am not paying you to talk about my son, and

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<v Speaker 2>you get right down to business. Why because they're lawyers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh here's the other thing about lawyers. Whatever, you ask

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer a question, you know what the answer is, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me do some research on that. That's the answer. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have to do some research. We'll get the paralegal involved,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll put together a letter that states our positioned

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<v Speaker 2>on this. I just asked where the men's room is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what am I getting at the regular host of

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<v Speaker 2>this program is an attorney. What does that mean in

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<v Speaker 2>real life that he's completely undependable. We don't know where

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Capless is. He's got legal issues, he's out there lawyering.

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<v Speaker 2>He's out there, you know, filtering this system. And what

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<v Speaker 2>happens They give a call John John Caldera, We can't

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<v Speaker 2>find mister, mister Capless, Can you come in? That's it,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. Like in real work, lawyers get paid hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>and hundreds of dollars an hour, But who does all

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<v Speaker 2>the heavy lifting? The twenty five dollars an hour paralegal

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<v Speaker 2>who actually knows everything, who does all the work. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the same oppressive relationship I got going on with Dan Kaplis. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he gets the nice little intro with the

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<v Speaker 2>rocky music, he gets all that, he's got the hot wife,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got the whole thing. And then who comes in

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<v Speaker 2>to do the dirty work? Yeah yeah, I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just a contracted janitor. Well enough, I'm taking this show over.

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<v Speaker 2>I've it is enough, I've I've had it with the man.

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<v Speaker 2>Down with the man. You know why because for the

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<v Speaker 2>next two hours it's no kings hours. Got that, no kings,

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<v Speaker 2>which means no capitalists. So join me in our no

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<v Speaker 2>capitalists parade. This is a protest against the man Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Capless No Capitalists. Oh I like that. Oh, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can also give me a call three oh three seven

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<v Speaker 2>one three eight two five five seven to one three talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm John Caldera. Unlike Dan's job where he gets to

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<v Speaker 2>let's jump into all this stuff. Speaking of No Capitalist Day,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what was I think a shame about the

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<v Speaker 2>No Kings protest. And I'm not a big military guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not militaristic. I am not one of those guys

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<v Speaker 2>who thinks that the army does no wrong. But two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty years of the United States Army is

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<v Speaker 2>a big frickin' deal. I seen bits and pieces of

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<v Speaker 2>the parade, and I know it was meant to be

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<v Speaker 2>perceived as this is a birthday present to Trump from Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>that this is just him showing off. But for the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I saw, it was actually a celebration of

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<v Speaker 2>American armed forces throughout the centuries and how much we

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<v Speaker 2>owe them. I don't think there was anything wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing wrong with that was that the message

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<v Speaker 2>was hijacked. And the left is really good at this.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because the media does their bidding. The media is

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<v Speaker 2>part of the Left, even though they'll never admit it

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<v Speaker 2>because they'll never see it. It's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 2>guy with a drinking problem who will never admit to

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<v Speaker 2>himself he has a drinking problem. The no Kings protests

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<v Speaker 2>took all all of the media oxygen over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>There was nothing about the parade. There was nothing about

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<v Speaker 2>the recitation of Washington's letters during the parade. There was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing about the generations that have so gratefully saved our democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>There what's so funny is that this whole made up

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<v Speaker 2>narrative that our democracy is at risk, when in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of the parade was to honor the men

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<v Speaker 2>and women who for the last two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>years have kept our democracy alive. And well, do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember that was the army two hundred and fifty years

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<v Speaker 2>ago that kicked out the king? You really want to

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate no kings? Trump's parade was a celebration of that.

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<v Speaker 2>July fourth is the original No King's Day. In politics,

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<v Speaker 2>there's the news cycle, and the new cycle is a

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<v Speaker 2>fickle thing. It can be usurped, it can be manipulated.

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<v Speaker 2>It can't really be controlled, but it can be influenced.

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<v Speaker 2>And this weekend was a perfect example of how how

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<v Speaker 2>the media usurped one story for another one. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just curious, did you watch any of the parade? Did

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<v Speaker 2>it mean anything to you? Was it a waste? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>personally I didn't need the parade. I would rather have

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<v Speaker 2>the government keep the forty five million dollars, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a drop in the bucket to the federal government. But

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<v Speaker 2>nonetheless I'd rather that money go to servicemen and women

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<v Speaker 2>than a parade. So let me ask first the veterans.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a veteran of the service. How how do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel about the parade? Do you feel that you

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<v Speaker 2>what you've done in your years in the service. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think it was corrupted by Trump, that he used

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<v Speaker 2>your hard work, your years of service to bring more

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<v Speaker 2>glory to himself or do you believe that Trump was

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<v Speaker 2>honoring you? Do you believe Trump and this parade was

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<v Speaker 2>about you? Or was it about him? Three or three seven,

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<v Speaker 2>one three eight, two five five seven one three top

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<v Speaker 2>seven one three Talk who was it about? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think you were honored or were you used? You know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I'm talking about? Three o three seven one

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<v Speaker 2>three eight two five five And those who went to

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<v Speaker 2>the no King's protests? What king are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>What king are you freaked out about? You mean the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who won the election, the guy who won not

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<v Speaker 2>just the electoral college, but won the popular vote. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're pissed off that the guy who won the presidency

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<v Speaker 2>is now the president. No, what you'll hear is no,

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to usurp that power. He's trying to gather

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<v Speaker 2>more control. He's trying to, through executive order, do all

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<v Speaker 2>these things he doesn't have a right to do, to

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<v Speaker 2>which I say, yeah, And he's doing exactly what Biden did.

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<v Speaker 2>He's doing exactly what Obama did. Why weren't you hacked

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<v Speaker 2>off when they tried to do through executive order what

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<v Speaker 2>really needed to be done through active congress? What's the difference?

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<v Speaker 2>Three or three seven one three eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a breather. I'm John Caldera in for mister Capless.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep it right here. You're on six point thirty k how.

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<v Speaker 3>And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm John Caldera on No Capitalist Per Protest Radio. Give

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<v Speaker 2>me a call. Three or three seven one three eight

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<v Speaker 2>two five five. Do we have a taker? No? No takers?

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<v Speaker 2>Me Let me throw this out again, because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you're listening. I want to know from veterans, do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like you were used by Donald Trump, that

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<v Speaker 2>this parade that he had was at your expense? Or

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel like he honored you? It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>trick question. I am legitimately curious. Three or three seven

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<v Speaker 2>I find it disappointing how little attention the parade got.

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<v Speaker 2>That the narrative, which I think is a false narrative,

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<v Speaker 2>that This was an ego driven parade for Trump, not

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<v Speaker 2>a parade to honor the military. Now I say that going,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need the parade, and then we could have

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<v Speaker 2>saved the money. I would have been fine with that.

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<v Speaker 2>The spin that this was this was somehow all about

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and part of his usurping of power. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>people are really losing all all reasonableness. You see, we've

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<v Speaker 2>had presidents and for the role of president has continued

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<v Speaker 2>to grow over the years. Why because Congress builds more government.

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<v Speaker 2>They build more programs, they build more agencies, they write

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<v Speaker 2>more laws, which means that the government, the federal government,

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<v Speaker 2>has to create more rules and more bureaucracy. Who controls

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<v Speaker 2>the bureaucracy, Well, according to our system of government, the

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<v Speaker 2>executive branch is run by one guy. He is the

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<v Speaker 2>CEO of the executive Branch. He runs the shop that

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<v Speaker 2>gives Trump and his appointees a whole bunch of leeway.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean they can write new law without it going

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<v Speaker 2>through Congress. But the more and more we give to

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<v Speaker 2>the executive branch, the more and more power the president has.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember people taking to the streets doing a

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<v Speaker 2>No King's protest when Obama said that if Congress doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>do what he wants, he can use his telephone and

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<v Speaker 2>his pen. Now, think about what he said. He said, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys were in Congress. You have the law. But

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<v Speaker 2>I have the ability to talk to my subordinates and

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<v Speaker 2>tell them what to do. I have the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>write executive orders. And what happened he was taken to

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<v Speaker 2>court a lot, And what happened to President Obama when

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<v Speaker 2>he was taken to court over his executive overreach. Most

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<v Speaker 2>of the time, certainly not all the time, he was

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<v Speaker 2>pushed back the court said, you do not have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to do that. So why wasn't there a no

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<v Speaker 2>King's parade when Obama and Biden were doing exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is doing. There is no consistency coming from

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get to the phones. Let's talk to Carl. Carl welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>You're with John.

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<v Speaker 4>Caldera, Hey John, how are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm great, Carl, Thanks so veteran and watched a little

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<v Speaker 4>I think those guys were probably pretty honored to be

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<v Speaker 4>there and doing that, especially the younger guys. I think

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<v Speaker 4>they realized it's a bit historic. You could see it

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<v Speaker 4>in their faces. I think they were. They're proud of

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<v Speaker 4>their service and they were happy to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't think they were being used by our

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<v Speaker 2>usurper in chief, no more.

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<v Speaker 4>Than the military uses any citizen. How do you mean, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean you sign up to serve. You know, you

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<v Speaker 4>write that blank check up to including your life. And

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<v Speaker 4>if you know, if that's what the government asked, if

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<v Speaker 4>that's what the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Asked of you, let me let me rephrase it out.

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<v Speaker 2>So the left sees this as not honoring the military,

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<v Speaker 2>not honoring the heritage, not honoring the freedom that the

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<v Speaker 2>military has fought for, but as this is a stalinistic, communistic,

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<v Speaker 2>dictator like show of military force, the same way that

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<v Speaker 2>you'd see those wonderful military parades by the Kremlin in

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<v Speaker 2>the glory days of the Soviet Union showing off there

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<v Speaker 2>might In other words, if it goes towards the honor

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<v Speaker 2>goes towards the military, it's people honoring the military with

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<v Speaker 2>a parade. Or is it the military saying, yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>are in servitude to a tyrant which which we at

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<v Speaker 4>Now I don't think so at all. I grew up

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, throughout him his career, there were many

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<v Speaker 4>many opportunities, uh to be involved in in similar displays

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<v Speaker 4>different places around the world that we lived, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was always uh yeah, it wasn't that it was uh.

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<v Speaker 2>So as a veteran, you felt honored, not abused.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Nicole, appreciate it. Carl, have yourself a terrific afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's sneak down to Pueblo and say he o to Leonard. Leonard,

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<v Speaker 5>Hello. Yes, I'm I'm praid to be a veteran and

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<v Speaker 5>I do not feel a president you the military because

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<v Speaker 5>for it last year before Trump with President so well

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<v Speaker 2>So you were in the service, Yes, I was which

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<v Speaker 5>Training that if it's no, he prayed that was honor

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<v Speaker 5>the people graduating that day.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it. So you were honored, not used. Got it? Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for the call. I appreciate it. Listen, let's keep

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<v Speaker 2>with this. Wait a second. The last two callers made

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<v Speaker 2>it clear they felt honored by this parade, not that

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<v Speaker 2>they were being used by a tyrant. Then what about

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<v Speaker 2>all these No King's protests.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>John Caldera in for Dan Kaplis, who apparently is doing

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<v Speaker 2>legal stuff because he's so much better than the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of us. He knows Latin. I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>true or not. Give me a call three or three seven, one, three, eight,

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<v Speaker 2>two five five. My impression over the weekend was the

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<v Speaker 2>honor the armed services minor coverage at best. They gave

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<v Speaker 2>the protests ridiculous coverage. And so I'm trying to figure out,

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<v Speaker 2>do you really think that Donald Trump used the military? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think he honored the military.

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<v Speaker 2>But the left, and thanks to thanks to the media,

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<v Speaker 2>stole the show. And it's what they constantly do, and

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<v Speaker 2>they made it about their unreal fear, this narrative that

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<v Speaker 2>he is somehow seizing can control of government, when all

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<v Speaker 2>he is doing is exactly what his two Democratic predecessors did,

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<v Speaker 2>both Obama and Biden. He issues executive orders and tries

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<v Speaker 2>to increase the power of the presidency, and the courts

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<v Speaker 2>often push back. This is known as business as usual.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it when their guy does it, it's great

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<v Speaker 2>When Trump does it, He's a tyrant. Let's go to

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<v Speaker 2>the phones. Three or three seven, one, three, eight, two

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<v Speaker 2>five five to Wells County. We go, Mary, Welcome, you're

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<v Speaker 2>with John Caldera. Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm terrific. Thanks for asking.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Good.

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<v Speaker 6>I just wanted to say I am so proud of

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<v Speaker 6>President Trump for honoring the military the way we should

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<v Speaker 6>and the fact that he portrayed the history, the true

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<v Speaker 6>our military and our America. I think it was truly wonderful.

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<v Speaker 8>And anyone who protested didn't They didn't do any anybody

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<v Speaker 8>any service, not themselves either. I think they should all

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<v Speaker 8>be put away somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they have the right to protest, and it's a

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<v Speaker 8>Fine, but there was some some there was some ugly

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<v Speaker 8>stuff going on, and then they used the no kings

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<v Speaker 8>they even know what they're protesting?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, what a beautiful question? What are you protesting?

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<v Speaker 2>The one of them, Boulder. I looked at looked at

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<v Speaker 2>some of the signs. The signs are all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh there's you know, they're they're protesting enforcing the immigration laws.

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<v Speaker 2>Heaven forbid. There's a guy they're waving a sign that

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<v Speaker 2>says tax the rich. So that's why you're out here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about kings, It's it's that you want to

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<v Speaker 2>get the rich guys. All right, fine? And it just

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<v Speaker 2>kept going. These people need to emote, they need to protest,

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<v Speaker 2>they need a virtue signal. They cannot not they can't

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<v Speaker 8>They're just a bunch of powders. They didn't get their way,

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<v Speaker 8>and I just think it's sad they're missing out. They're

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<v Speaker 8>missing out on so many wonderful things about our country

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<v Speaker 8>and our president.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not going to like our president. I didn't like

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 7>By the way, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a huge trumpy. I'm not, you know, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not maga do or die. But understand I'm a.

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<v Speaker 8>Trumpy as far as his policies go. I think he's

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<v Speaker 8>trying to do what's right.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a system where presidents try to absorb power,

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately, we have a Congress which over the last

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years has done nothing but centralized power in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>centralized power in government, and so whoever runs the government,

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<v Speaker 2>by default is going to have more authority, more power.

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<v Speaker 2>So when when Obama said I'm going to use my

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<v Speaker 2>phone in my pen, he was cheered on. That's all

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is doing. But he's a tyrant. No one sees

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<v Speaker 2>the hypocrisy in this double standard.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I think those who those who are on the

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<v Speaker 8>right side of thinking, meaning you know, right at center it.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. Hey, thanks for the call. Do

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<v Speaker 2>we have Jimmy on the line? I need to run

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<v Speaker 2>here on this. Hey, Ryan, do we have a So

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<v Speaker 2>my friend Jimmy Sangenberger has been following the Mike Lindell case,

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<v Speaker 2>my pillow guy case, and has has been working on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's pull him on. I know it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>off topic, but I hear a ruling might have come in. Jimmy. Welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>you're with John Caldera. Where are you right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey?

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<v Speaker 7>John?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 7>I am I am home. I was on that koa

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<v Speaker 7>earlier in hosting, so I couldn't be at the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 7>But a verdict just came down in the defamation case

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<v Speaker 7>of Mike Lindell My Pillow guy, and remind.

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<v Speaker 2>Us before you give us the punchline, what was the complaint?

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<v Speaker 8>It was?

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<v Speaker 2>This is a civil suit, not a criminal case. What

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<v Speaker 2>was the charge? What was the allegation?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, federal civil suit and it was a jury trial

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<v Speaker 7>brought by former vice president of Dominion Voting Systems Eric Komer,

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<v Speaker 7>alleging defamation by Mike Lindell, his company, My Pillow and

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<v Speaker 7>Frank's speech which is one of his video platforms related

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<v Speaker 7>to twenty twenty election claims, the false claims about a

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<v Speaker 2>In that year. And the verdict came in. What was it?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, So the verdict came in where Mike Lindell has

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<v Speaker 7>in fact been found liable for defamation. However, there are

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<v Speaker 7>a couple of caveats there. One he had requested, or

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<v Speaker 7>rather Eric Komer had requested I think sixty two and

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<v Speaker 7>a half million dollars in damages. The jury has awarded

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<v Speaker 7>two point three million dollars in damages. And in addition,

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<v Speaker 7>they found that my Pillow, which is another defendant in

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<v Speaker 7>the case, was not liable, but that Lindell had conspired

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<v Speaker 7>with this company Frank's speech in what's called civil conspiracy

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<v Speaker 7>to defame doctor Komer. So that's the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 7>mich Lindell has lost, but is owing a significantly smaller

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<v Speaker 7>sum than the plaintiff requested from the jury.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is a huge difference. Not sixty million but

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<v Speaker 2>two point three million. Does this surprise you? You were

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<v Speaker 2>there for a lot of it?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I was. I was there for about five of

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<v Speaker 7>the eight days of testimony. Was fascinating watching it all.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure I'm surprised. I mean a little bit.

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<v Speaker 7>It is a surprising that it was significantly, like about

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<v Speaker 7>sixty million dollars less. I thought maybe it would be

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<v Speaker 7>then twenty million something like that. But there are a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of complexities and different layers to this case that

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<v Speaker 7>I think made it even such that I wasn't one

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<v Speaker 7>hundred percent confident that Kumer would win. I thought he

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<v Speaker 7>probably would, but that there was a chance that Lindell

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<v Speaker 7>would be successful because the Komer legal team did get

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<v Speaker 7>off in a lot of different directions on delving into

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<v Speaker 7>some things in the weeds about elections and so forth

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<v Speaker 7>that I think might have made it a little harder

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<v Speaker 7>for the jury to follow, and maybe that helped to

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<v Speaker 7>make it to let Lyndell ows less than Komer would

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<v Speaker 2>During this whole thing. Did Mike Lindell ever say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was incorrect on my analysis that the election was stolen?

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<v Speaker 2>Or did he stick to his guns?

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<v Speaker 7>He is stuck to his guns on everything from calling

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<v Speaker 7>Eric Komer a criminal and a trader. He doubled down

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<v Speaker 7>on the stand over that he also stood by his

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<v Speaker 7>claims regarding the twenty twenty election, just throughout all of

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<v Speaker 7>his testimony. And I watched it was little more than

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<v Speaker 7>two days of testimony, and I watched the majority of that,

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<v Speaker 7>and it really was striking to see how he would

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<v Speaker 7>the thing, John, that I think is important. He had

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<v Speaker 7>experts on elections. He claimed he had over thirty five

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<v Speaker 7>a half years, and he brought out not a single expert,

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<v Speaker 7>not a single piece of evidence or anything to try

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<v Speaker 7>to say, yeah, I was right about the twenty twenty election.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, on one was that you would think that a

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<v Speaker 2>all this evidence, would bring up some evidence that it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't It wasn't defamation. It is what I truly believe.

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<v Speaker 2>And here to the facts of why I believe it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's a really good question. I would say there

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<v Speaker 7>are a couple of reasons why. One is because they

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<v Speaker 7>don't have the goods. You get experts on the stand

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<v Speaker 7>to make claims. Who knows whether that would be something

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<v Speaker 7>of credibility number one and number two, his attorneys really

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<v Speaker 7>tried to make this case that Lindell believed what he

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<v Speaker 7>his state of mind, because one of the components of

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<v Speaker 7>you actually believed the claims that you were making. And

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<v Speaker 7>so they sort of dismissed that idea, saying none of

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<v Speaker 7>them could speak about Mike Lindell's mind. And one other

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<v Speaker 7>thing I'll say real quick is that on the stand,

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<v Speaker 7>Lindell kept insisting that this case was not at all

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<v Speaker 7>about the twenty twenty election or about voting machines that

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<v Speaker 7>this was all about Eric Komer blocking me. Now, what

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<v Speaker 7>do you mean by blocking? Being somebody who prevented Lindell

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<v Speaker 7>in some way from getting out the word about the

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<v Speaker 7>twenty twenty election and twenty twenty election machine evidence, the

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<v Speaker 7>But in a bit of circular logic, it was about

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<v Speaker 7>Eric Komer because Komer was blocking him from getting this information.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy, I got a run to a break. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>stick up with us just a little bit longer? I

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<v Speaker 2>want to ask you a few more questions, Jimmy Sangenberger.

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<v Speaker 2>The Mike Lindell verdict comes in. He is found liable

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<v Speaker 2>of defamation, but has to pay sixty million dollars less

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<v Speaker 2>than what they wanted. I'm John Calderic. Keep it right here.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on six thirty k how.

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<v Speaker 3>And now back to the Dan Tampless Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you noticed a nice little Heello

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<v Speaker 2>reference there. Well done, Ryan, I'm John Caldera and for

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Kampless on the line with us, Jimmy Sangenberger, who

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<v Speaker 2>just got us the verdict in this trial against Mike Ladell.

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<v Speaker 2>And mind you, it's a little bit like when.

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<v Speaker 8>O. J.

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<v Speaker 2>Simpson was found not guilty but then later found liable.

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<v Speaker 2>That this is not a criminal case. This was a

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<v Speaker 2>civil case, and you can sue anybody for anything. And

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like it looks like he lost, but he

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<v Speaker 2>could have lost a whole lot more. How's that? How's

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<v Speaker 2>that for professionalism?

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<v Speaker 7>I find that fascinating. John, that's for Darren Shure, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? So so give me back to this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I was curious about the First Amendment side of this

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<v Speaker 2>that Lindell, even though he is a public figure, even

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<v Speaker 2>though he does his TV ads, doesn't he have a

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<v Speaker 2>right to spout off his opinion And his opinion is

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<v Speaker 2>that this election was stolen and this guy Kumar is

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<v Speaker 2>a is a scumbag. And that's my opinion. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say it, was that ever brought up in trial

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<v Speaker 2>or was that something that just doesn't matter that was.

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<v Speaker 7>Sort of a big piece of the defense from Lindell's

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<v Speaker 7>team was he believed it, he should be able to

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<v Speaker 7>say it. But this isn't really a First Amendment case

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<v Speaker 7>in the sense that when you get your trial in

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<v Speaker 7>a defamation case, that is an exception under First Amendment law.

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<v Speaker 7>At least in terms of a civil issue. You can't

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<v Speaker 7>be punished criminally for that kind of speech. But in

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<v Speaker 7>the context of a civil matter that there's a specific

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<v Speaker 7>carve out where you're not allowed to, in reckless disregard

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<v Speaker 7>for the truth, speak ill about somebody and then have

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<v Speaker 7>certain consequences. So in the case of Eric Kumer, he

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<v Speaker 7>had to go into hiding, he had extraordinary death threats,

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<v Speaker 7>he had people show up armed.

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<v Speaker 2>At his house.

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<v Speaker 9>He had all of these consequences, and he can't get

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<v Speaker 9>work anymore in the election space, even though election officials

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<v Speaker 9>will tell people that they think he's honorable guy, that

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<v Speaker 9>he's somebody.

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<v Speaker 7>Who does a great job, that they trust him, but

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<v Speaker 7>his reputation is so tarnished that nobody would hire him.

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<v Speaker 7>And so those are some of the factors that would

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<v Speaker 7>be considered by a jury in terms of, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>what to award and also whether or not to hold

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<v Speaker 7>somebody liable. Did Lindel show reckless disregard for the truth

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<v Speaker 7>he did. And in this case, the jury also found

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<v Speaker 7>that Lindell and his company, Frank Speech, one of his

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<v Speaker 7>video platforms, had engaged in civil conspiracy to defan Kumar.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's a key piece to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me some definition civil conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 7>Civil conspiracy. Let me, you know, look back at a

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<v Speaker 7>specific definition. But basically, as I understand it is that

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<v Speaker 7>you had a It's where you coordinate between two different

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<v Speaker 7>individuals conspire to accomplish some sort of an object if

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<v Speaker 7>so in this case, it would be the defamation in

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<v Speaker 7>this case, and that it was having his platform of

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<v Speaker 7>Frank Speech with different hosts on there, sometimes with Lynn Dall.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Tina Peters had been on there, the former

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<v Speaker 7>Mason County clerk and others who had engaged in defamation,

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<v Speaker 7>defaming speech. And so because it's his company and people involved,

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<v Speaker 7>you could say that they conspired to the fame. So

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<v Speaker 7>that's sort of how you can get it that.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is if I were Mike Lindell one, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>have a great mustache. But too, I think I'd take

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<v Speaker 2>this one as a victory. Two point three million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>is a huge hit, but that a sixty two million dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm surprised that's not what he got, and often

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<v Speaker 2>these things are pled down. I take this mostly as

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<v Speaker 2>a win for Lyndel. You real fast to hear the music.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I do not, in part because he claimed he's

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<v Speaker 7>losched fifty sixty million dollars of his own money that

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<v Speaker 7>he spent. He's ten million dollars in the hole, and

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<v Speaker 7>here's another two point three million out the window.

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<v Speaker 2>Good point. Got to run. Jimmy Sangenberger, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be back after the news. John Caldera in for

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Kaplis keep it here six thirty k. How