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Speaker 2: let's jump into all this stuff. Speaking of No Capitalist Day,
Speaker 2: you know what was I think a shame about the
Speaker 2: No Kings protest. And I'm not a big military guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not militaristic. I am not one of those guys
Speaker 2: who thinks that the army does no wrong. But two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years of the United States Army is
Speaker 2: a big frickin' deal. I seen bits and pieces of
Speaker 2: the parade, and I know it was meant to be
Speaker 2: perceived as this is a birthday present to Trump from Trump,
Speaker 2: that this is just him showing off. But for the
Speaker 2: things that I saw, it was actually a celebration of
Speaker 2: American armed forces throughout the centuries and how much we
Speaker 2: owe them. I don't think there was anything wrong with that.
Speaker 2: The only thing wrong with that was that the message
Speaker 2: was hijacked. And the left is really good at this.
Speaker 2: Why because the media does their bidding. The media is
Speaker 2: part of the Left, even though they'll never admit it
Speaker 2: because they'll never see it. It's kind of like the
Speaker 2: guy with a drinking problem who will never admit to
Speaker 2: himself he has a drinking problem. The no Kings protests
Speaker 2: took all all of the media oxygen over the weekend.
Speaker 2: There was nothing about the parade. There was nothing about
Speaker 2: the recitation of Washington's letters during the parade. There was
Speaker 2: nothing about the generations that have so gratefully saved our democracy.
Speaker 2: There what's so funny is that this whole made up
Speaker 2: narrative that our democracy is at risk, when in fact,
Speaker 2: the idea of the parade was to honor the men
Speaker 2: and women who for the last two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: years have kept our democracy alive. And well, do you
Speaker 2: remember that was the army two hundred and fifty years
Speaker 2: ago that kicked out the king? You really want to
Speaker 2: celebrate no kings? Trump's parade was a celebration of that.
Speaker 2: July fourth is the original No King's Day. In politics,
Speaker 2: there's the news cycle, and the new cycle is a
Speaker 2: fickle thing. It can be usurped, it can be manipulated.
Speaker 2: It can't really be controlled, but it can be influenced.
Speaker 2: And this weekend was a perfect example of how how
Speaker 2: the media usurped one story for another one. And I'm
Speaker 2: just curious, did you watch any of the parade? Did
Speaker 2: it mean anything to you? Was it a waste? Now,
Speaker 2: personally I didn't need the parade. I would rather have
Speaker 2: the government keep the forty five million dollars, which is
Speaker 2: a drop in the bucket to the federal government. But
Speaker 2: nonetheless I'd rather that money go to servicemen and women
Speaker 2: than a parade. So let me ask first the veterans.
Speaker 2: If you're a veteran of the service. How how do
Speaker 2: you feel about the parade? Do you feel that you
Speaker 2: what you've done in your years in the service. Do
Speaker 2: you think it was corrupted by Trump, that he used
Speaker 2: your hard work, your years of service to bring more
Speaker 2: glory to himself or do you believe that Trump was
Speaker 2: honoring you? Do you believe Trump and this parade was
Speaker 2: about you? Or was it about him? Three or three seven,
Speaker 2: one three eight, two five five seven one three top
Speaker 2: seven one three Talk who was it about? Do you
Speaker 2: think you were honored or were you used? You know
Speaker 2: exactly what I'm talking about? Three o three seven one
Speaker 2: three eight two five five And those who went to
Speaker 2: the no King's protests? What king are we talking about?
Speaker 2: What king are you freaked out about? You mean the
Speaker 2: guy who won the election, the guy who won not
Speaker 2: just the electoral college, but won the popular vote. So
Speaker 2: you're pissed off that the guy who won the presidency
Speaker 2: is now the president. No, what you'll hear is no,
Speaker 2: he's trying to usurp that power. He's trying to gather
Speaker 2: more control. He's trying to, through executive order, do all
Speaker 2: these things he doesn't have a right to do, to
Speaker 2: which I say, yeah, And he's doing exactly what Biden did.
Speaker 2: He's doing exactly what Obama did. Why weren't you hacked
Speaker 2: off when they tried to do through executive order what
Speaker 2: really needed to be done through active congress? What's the difference?
Speaker 2: Three or three seven one three eight two five five.
Speaker 2: Let's take a breather. I'm John Caldera in for mister Capless.
Speaker 2: Keep it right here. You're on six point thirty k how.
Speaker 3: And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm John Caldera on No Capitalist Per Protest Radio. Give
Speaker 2: me a call. Three or three seven one three eight
Speaker 2: two five five. Do we have a taker? No? No takers?
Speaker 2: Me Let me throw this out again, because I don't
Speaker 2: think you're listening. I want to know from veterans, do
Speaker 2: you feel like you were used by Donald Trump, that
Speaker 2: this parade that he had was at your expense? Or
Speaker 2: do you feel like he honored you? It's not a
Speaker 2: trick question. I am legitimately curious. Three or three seven
Speaker 2: three eight two five five. That's seven one three talk.
Speaker 2: I find it disappointing how little attention the parade got.
Speaker 2: That the narrative, which I think is a false narrative,
Speaker 2: that This was an ego driven parade for Trump, not
Speaker 2: a parade to honor the military. Now I say that going,
Speaker 2: I don't need the parade, and then we could have
Speaker 2: saved the money. I would have been fine with that.
Speaker 2: The spin that this was this was somehow all about
Speaker 2: Trump and part of his usurping of power. I mean,
Speaker 2: people are really losing all all reasonableness. You see, we've
Speaker 2: had presidents and for the role of president has continued
Speaker 2: to grow over the years. Why because Congress builds more government.
Speaker 2: They build more programs, they build more agencies, they write
Speaker 2: more laws, which means that the government, the federal government,
Speaker 2: has to create more rules and more bureaucracy. Who controls
Speaker 2: the bureaucracy, Well, according to our system of government, the
Speaker 2: executive branch is run by one guy. He is the
Speaker 2: CEO of the executive Branch. He runs the shop that
Speaker 2: gives Trump and his appointees a whole bunch of leeway.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean they can write new law without it going
Speaker 2: through Congress. But the more and more we give to
Speaker 2: the executive branch, the more and more power the president has.
Speaker 2: I don't remember people taking to the streets doing a
Speaker 2: No King's protest when Obama said that if Congress doesn't
Speaker 2: do what he wants, he can use his telephone and
Speaker 2: his pen. Now, think about what he said. He said, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys were in Congress. You have the law. But
Speaker 2: I have the ability to talk to my subordinates and
Speaker 2: tell them what to do. I have the ability to
Speaker 2: write executive orders. And what happened he was taken to
Speaker 2: court a lot, And what happened to President Obama when
Speaker 2: he was taken to court over his executive overreach. Most
Speaker 2: of the time, certainly not all the time, he was
Speaker 2: pushed back the court said, you do not have the
Speaker 2: ability to do that. So why wasn't there a no
Speaker 2: King's parade when Obama and Biden were doing exactly what
Speaker 2: this guy is doing. There is no consistency coming from
Speaker 2: the unh ringed left three h three seven one three five.
Speaker 2: Let's get to the phones. Let's talk to Carl. Carl welcome.
Speaker 2: You're with John.
Speaker 4: Caldera, Hey John, how are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm great, Carl, Thanks so veteran and watched a little
Speaker 2: bit of the parade.
Speaker 4: I think those guys were probably pretty honored to be
Speaker 4: there and doing that, especially the younger guys. I think
Speaker 4: they realized it's a bit historic. You could see it
Speaker 4: in their faces. I think they were. They're proud of
Speaker 4: their service and they were happy to do it.
Speaker 2: So you don't think they were being used by our
Speaker 2: usurper in chief, no more.
Speaker 4: Than the military uses any citizen. How do you mean, well,
Speaker 4: I mean you sign up to serve. You know, you
Speaker 4: write that blank check up to including your life. And
Speaker 4: if you know, if that's what the government asked, if
Speaker 4: that's what the situation.
Speaker 2: Asked of you, let me let me rephrase it out.
Speaker 2: So the left sees this as not honoring the military,
Speaker 2: not honoring the heritage, not honoring the freedom that the
Speaker 2: military has fought for, but as this is a stalinistic, communistic,
Speaker 2: dictator like show of military force, the same way that
Speaker 2: you'd see those wonderful military parades by the Kremlin in
Speaker 2: the glory days of the Soviet Union showing off there
Speaker 2: might In other words, if it goes towards the honor
Speaker 2: goes towards the military, it's people honoring the military with
Speaker 2: a parade. Or is it the military saying, yes, we
Speaker 2: are in servitude to a tyrant which which we at
Speaker 2: we are only at his disposal.
Speaker 4: Now I don't think so at all. I grew up
Speaker 4: in a military family. My dad was twenty years army
Speaker 4: and you know, throughout him his career, there were many
Speaker 4: many opportunities, uh to be involved in in similar displays
Speaker 4: on smaller scales, on basis, on army airfields, you know,
Speaker 4: different places around the world that we lived, and it
Speaker 4: was always uh yeah, it wasn't that it was uh.
Speaker 2: So as a veteran, you felt honored, not abused.
Speaker 4: Absolutely got it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Nicole, appreciate it. Carl, have yourself a terrific afternoon.
Speaker 2: Let's sneak down to Pueblo and say he o to Leonard. Leonard,
Speaker 2: we're tight on time.
Speaker 5: Hello. Yes, I'm I'm praid to be a veteran and
Speaker 5: I do not feel a president you the military because
Speaker 5: I bached upon my information at the break Army asked
Speaker 5: for it last year before Trump with President so well
Speaker 5: by you Blomber Bloomberg on Biden. I mean case which
Speaker 5: you didn't do a single thing.
Speaker 2: So you were in the service, Yes, I was which
Speaker 2: branch Army and.
Speaker 5: Training that if it's no, he prayed that was honor
Speaker 5: the people graduating that day.
Speaker 2: Got it. So you were honored, not used. Got it? Hey,
Speaker 2: thanks for the call. I appreciate it. Listen, let's keep
Speaker 2: with this. Wait a second. The last two callers made
Speaker 2: it clear they felt honored by this parade, not that
Speaker 2: they were being used by a tyrant. Then what about
Speaker 2: all these No King's protests.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2: John Caldera in for Dan Kaplis, who apparently is doing
Speaker 2: legal stuff because he's so much better than the rest
Speaker 2: of us. He knows Latin. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: true or not. Give me a call three or three seven, one, three, eight,
Speaker 2: two five five. My impression over the weekend was the
Speaker 2: media was at their best. They gave the parade to
Speaker 2: honor the armed services minor coverage at best. They gave
Speaker 2: the protests ridiculous coverage. And so I'm trying to figure out,
Speaker 2: do you really think that Donald Trump used the military? No,
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think he honored the military.
Speaker 2: But the left, and thanks to thanks to the media,
Speaker 2: stole the show. And it's what they constantly do, and
Speaker 2: they made it about their unreal fear, this narrative that
Speaker 2: he is somehow seizing can control of government, when all
Speaker 2: he is doing is exactly what his two Democratic predecessors did,
Speaker 2: both Obama and Biden. He issues executive orders and tries
Speaker 2: to increase the power of the presidency, and the courts
Speaker 2: often push back. This is known as business as usual.
Speaker 2: Why is it when their guy does it, it's great
Speaker 2: When Trump does it, He's a tyrant. Let's go to
Speaker 2: the phones. Three or three seven, one, three, eight, two
Speaker 2: five five to Wells County. We go, Mary, Welcome, you're
Speaker 2: with John Caldera. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6: How are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm terrific. Thanks for asking.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to say I am so proud of
Speaker 6: President Trump for honoring the military the way we should
Speaker 6: and the fact that he portrayed the history, the true
Speaker 6: history of an America and how we all should love
Speaker 6: our military and our America. I think it was truly wonderful.
Speaker 8: And anyone who protested didn't They didn't do any anybody
Speaker 8: any service, not themselves either. I think they should all
Speaker 8: be put away somewhere.
Speaker 2: Well, they have the right to protest, and it's a
Speaker 2: good thing and.
Speaker 8: Fine, but there was some some there was some ugly
Speaker 8: stuff going on, and then they used the no kings
Speaker 8: or whatever to hide behind and it's just I do
Speaker 8: they even know what they're protesting?
Speaker 2: I don't know, what a beautiful question? What are you protesting?
Speaker 2: The one of them, Boulder. I looked at looked at
Speaker 2: some of the signs. The signs are all over the place.
Speaker 2: Uh there's you know, they're they're protesting enforcing the immigration laws.
Speaker 2: Heaven forbid. There's a guy they're waving a sign that
Speaker 2: says tax the rich. So that's why you're out here.
Speaker 2: It's not about kings, It's it's that you want to
Speaker 2: get the rich guys. All right, fine? And it just
Speaker 2: kept going. These people need to emote, they need to protest,
Speaker 2: they need a virtue signal. They cannot not they can't
Speaker 2: not do it.
Speaker 8: They're just a bunch of powders. They didn't get their way,
Speaker 8: and I just think it's sad they're missing out. They're
Speaker 8: missing out on so many wonderful things about our country
Speaker 8: and our president.
Speaker 2: They're not going to like our president. I didn't like
Speaker 2: their president.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 7: By the way, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not a huge trumpy. I'm not, you know, but I'm
Speaker 2: not maga do or die. But understand I'm a.
Speaker 8: Trumpy as far as his policies go. I think he's
Speaker 8: trying to do what's right.
Speaker 2: We have a system where presidents try to absorb power,
Speaker 2: and unfortunately, we have a Congress which over the last
Speaker 2: hundred years has done nothing but centralized power in Washington,
Speaker 2: centralized power in government, and so whoever runs the government,
Speaker 2: by default is going to have more authority, more power.
Speaker 2: So when when Obama said I'm going to use my
Speaker 2: phone in my pen, he was cheered on. That's all
Speaker 2: Trump is doing. But he's a tyrant. No one sees
Speaker 2: the hypocrisy in this double standard.
Speaker 8: Well, I think those who those who are on the
Speaker 8: right side of thinking, meaning you know, right at center it.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Hey, thanks for the call. Do
Speaker 2: we have Jimmy on the line? I need to run
Speaker 2: here on this. Hey, Ryan, do we have a So
Speaker 2: my friend Jimmy Sangenberger has been following the Mike Lindell case,
Speaker 2: my pillow guy case, and has has been working on that.
Speaker 2: Let's let's pull him on. I know it's a little
Speaker 2: off topic, but I hear a ruling might have come in. Jimmy. Welcome,
Speaker 2: you're with John Caldera. Where are you right now?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 7: John?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 7: I am I am home. I was on that koa
Speaker 7: earlier in hosting, so I couldn't be at the courtroom.
Speaker 7: But a verdict just came down in the defamation case
Speaker 7: of Mike Lindell My Pillow guy, and remind.
Speaker 2: Us before you give us the punchline, what was the complaint?
Speaker 8: It was?
Speaker 2: This is a civil suit, not a criminal case. What
Speaker 2: was the charge? What was the allegation?
Speaker 7: Yes, federal civil suit and it was a jury trial
Speaker 7: brought by former vice president of Dominion Voting Systems Eric Komer,
Speaker 7: alleging defamation by Mike Lindell, his company, My Pillow and
Speaker 7: Frank's speech which is one of his video platforms related
Speaker 7: to twenty twenty election claims, the false claims about a
Speaker 7: stolen election.
Speaker 2: In that year. And the verdict came in. What was it?
Speaker 7: Yes, So the verdict came in where Mike Lindell has
Speaker 7: in fact been found liable for defamation. However, there are
Speaker 7: a couple of caveats there. One he had requested, or
Speaker 7: rather Eric Komer had requested I think sixty two and
Speaker 7: a half million dollars in damages. The jury has awarded
Speaker 7: two point three million dollars in damages. And in addition,
Speaker 7: they found that my Pillow, which is another defendant in
Speaker 7: the case, was not liable, but that Lindell had conspired
Speaker 7: with this company Frank's speech in what's called civil conspiracy
Speaker 7: to defame doctor Komer. So that's the bottom line is
Speaker 7: mich Lindell has lost, but is owing a significantly smaller
Speaker 7: sum than the plaintiff requested from the jury.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is a huge difference. Not sixty million but
Speaker 2: two point three million. Does this surprise you? You were
Speaker 2: there for a lot of it?
Speaker 7: Yes, I was. I was there for about five of
Speaker 7: the eight days of testimony. Was fascinating watching it all.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure I'm surprised. I mean a little bit.
Speaker 7: It is a surprising that it was significantly, like about
Speaker 7: sixty million dollars less. I thought maybe it would be
Speaker 7: then twenty million something like that. But there are a
Speaker 7: lot of complexities and different layers to this case that
Speaker 7: I think made it even such that I wasn't one
Speaker 7: hundred percent confident that Kumer would win. I thought he
Speaker 7: probably would, but that there was a chance that Lindell
Speaker 7: would be successful because the Komer legal team did get
Speaker 7: off in a lot of different directions on delving into
Speaker 7: some things in the weeds about elections and so forth
Speaker 7: that I think might have made it a little harder
Speaker 7: for the jury to follow, and maybe that helped to
Speaker 7: make it to let Lyndell ows less than Komer would
Speaker 7: have left.
Speaker 2: During this whole thing. Did Mike Lindell ever say, you know,
Speaker 2: I was incorrect on my analysis that the election was stolen?
Speaker 2: Or did he stick to his guns?
Speaker 7: He is stuck to his guns on everything from calling
Speaker 7: Eric Komer a criminal and a trader. He doubled down
Speaker 7: on the stand over that he also stood by his
Speaker 7: claims regarding the twenty twenty election, just throughout all of
Speaker 7: his testimony. And I watched it was little more than
Speaker 7: two days of testimony, and I watched the majority of that,
Speaker 7: and it really was striking to see how he would
Speaker 7: double down and not even recant on anything. But here's
Speaker 7: the thing, John, that I think is important. He had
Speaker 7: the opportunity to put forward any number of so called
Speaker 7: experts on elections. He claimed he had over thirty five
Speaker 7: that had worked with him over the past four and
Speaker 7: a half years, and he brought out not a single expert,
Speaker 7: not a single piece of evidence or anything to try
Speaker 7: to say, yeah, I was right about the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2: Now, on one was that you would think that a
Speaker 2: guy who made such a stink about it, who claims
Speaker 2: all this evidence, would bring up some evidence that it
Speaker 2: wasn't It wasn't defamation. It is what I truly believe.
Speaker 2: And here to the facts of why I believe it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a really good question. I would say there
Speaker 7: are a couple of reasons why. One is because they
Speaker 7: don't have the goods. You get experts on the stand
Speaker 7: to make claims. Who knows whether that would be something
Speaker 7: that could get somebody snagged with perjury or another issue
Speaker 7: of credibility number one and number two, his attorneys really
Speaker 7: tried to make this case that Lindell believed what he
Speaker 7: thought back then, and that's what it was about. And
Speaker 7: none of these so called experts could have testified to
Speaker 7: his state of mind, because one of the components of
Speaker 7: a defense and a defamation case is whether or not
Speaker 7: you actually believed the claims that you were making. And
Speaker 7: so they sort of dismissed that idea, saying none of
Speaker 7: them could speak about Mike Lindell's mind. And one other
Speaker 7: thing I'll say real quick is that on the stand,
Speaker 7: Lindell kept insisting that this case was not at all
Speaker 7: about the twenty twenty election or about voting machines that
Speaker 7: needed to be melted down and done away with. He said,
Speaker 7: this was all about Eric Komer blocking me. Now, what
Speaker 7: do you mean by blocking? Being somebody who prevented Lindell
Speaker 7: in some way from getting out the word about the
Speaker 7: twenty twenty election and twenty twenty election machine evidence, the
Speaker 7: very stuff that Lindell says this case is not about.
Speaker 7: But in a bit of circular logic, it was about
Speaker 7: who he did, what he said, what he said about
Speaker 7: Eric Komer because Komer was blocking him from getting this information.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, I got a run to a break. Can you
Speaker 2: stick up with us just a little bit longer? I
Speaker 2: want to ask you a few more questions, Jimmy Sangenberger.
Speaker 2: The Mike Lindell verdict comes in. He is found liable
Speaker 2: of defamation, but has to pay sixty million dollars less
Speaker 2: than what they wanted. I'm John Calderic. Keep it right here.
Speaker 2: You're on six thirty k how.
Speaker 3: And now back to the Dan Tampless Show podcast.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you noticed a nice little Heello
Speaker 2: reference there. Well done, Ryan, I'm John Caldera and for
Speaker 2: Dan Kampless on the line with us, Jimmy Sangenberger, who
Speaker 2: just got us the verdict in this trial against Mike Ladell.
Speaker 2: And mind you, it's a little bit like when.
Speaker 8: O. J.
Speaker 2: Simpson was found not guilty but then later found liable.
Speaker 2: That this is not a criminal case. This was a
Speaker 2: civil case, and you can sue anybody for anything. And
Speaker 2: it looks like it looks like he lost, but he
Speaker 2: could have lost a whole lot more. How's that? How's
Speaker 2: that for professionalism?
Speaker 7: I find that fascinating. John, that's for Darren Shure, what's up?
Speaker 2: All right? So so give me back to this one.
Speaker 2: I was curious about the First Amendment side of this
Speaker 2: that Lindell, even though he is a public figure, even
Speaker 2: though he does his TV ads, doesn't he have a
Speaker 2: right to spout off his opinion And his opinion is
Speaker 2: that this election was stolen and this guy Kumar is
Speaker 2: a is a scumbag. And that's my opinion. And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say it, was that ever brought up in trial
Speaker 2: or was that something that just doesn't matter that was.
Speaker 7: Sort of a big piece of the defense from Lindell's
Speaker 7: team was he believed it, he should be able to
Speaker 7: say it. But this isn't really a First Amendment case
Speaker 7: in the sense that when you get your trial in
Speaker 7: a defamation case, that is an exception under First Amendment law.
Speaker 7: At least in terms of a civil issue. You can't
Speaker 7: be punished criminally for that kind of speech. But in
Speaker 7: the context of a civil matter that there's a specific
Speaker 7: carve out where you're not allowed to, in reckless disregard
Speaker 7: for the truth, speak ill about somebody and then have
Speaker 7: certain consequences. So in the case of Eric Kumer, he
Speaker 7: had to go into hiding, he had extraordinary death threats,
Speaker 7: he had people show up armed.
Speaker 2: At his house.
Speaker 9: He had all of these consequences, and he can't get
Speaker 9: work anymore in the election space, even though election officials
Speaker 9: will tell people that they think he's honorable guy, that
Speaker 9: he's somebody.
Speaker 7: Who does a great job, that they trust him, but
Speaker 7: his reputation is so tarnished that nobody would hire him.
Speaker 7: And so those are some of the factors that would
Speaker 7: be considered by a jury in terms of, you know,
Speaker 7: what to award and also whether or not to hold
Speaker 7: somebody liable. Did Lindel show reckless disregard for the truth
Speaker 7: he did. And in this case, the jury also found
Speaker 7: that Lindell and his company, Frank Speech, one of his
Speaker 7: video platforms, had engaged in civil conspiracy to defan Kumar.
Speaker 7: And that's a key piece to them.
Speaker 2: Give me some definition civil conspiracy.
Speaker 7: Civil conspiracy. Let me, you know, look back at a
Speaker 7: specific definition. But basically, as I understand it is that
Speaker 7: you had a It's where you coordinate between two different
Speaker 7: individuals conspire to accomplish some sort of an object if
Speaker 7: so in this case, it would be the defamation in
Speaker 7: this case, and that it was having his platform of
Speaker 7: Frank Speech with different hosts on there, sometimes with Lynn Dall.
Speaker 7: I think Tina Peters had been on there, the former
Speaker 7: Mason County clerk and others who had engaged in defamation,
Speaker 7: defaming speech. And so because it's his company and people involved,
Speaker 7: you could say that they conspired to the fame. So
Speaker 7: that's sort of how you can get it that.
Speaker 2: My guess is if I were Mike Lindell one, I'd
Speaker 2: have a great mustache. But too, I think I'd take
Speaker 2: this one as a victory. Two point three million dollars
Speaker 2: is a huge hit, but that a sixty two million dollars,
Speaker 2: which I'm surprised that's not what he got, and often
Speaker 2: these things are pled down. I take this mostly as
Speaker 2: a win for Lyndel. You real fast to hear the music.
Speaker 7: No, I do not, in part because he claimed he's
Speaker 7: losched fifty sixty million dollars of his own money that
Speaker 7: he spent. He's ten million dollars in the hole, and
Speaker 7: here's another two point three million out the window.
Speaker 2: Good point. Got to run. Jimmy Sangenberger, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I'll be back after the news. John Caldera in for
Speaker 2: Dan Kaplis keep it here six thirty k. How