WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.959 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.599 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:42.239 Dogmanencounters dot com forward Slash podcast. If you listen to 6 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.040 last Friday Night Show episode six nineteen, you heard tonight's 7 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:50.000 guest Wiley Birou come on and talk about a pretty 8 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:53.920 darn unnerving dogman encounter he had. Well, he had so 9 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.280 much to share with us that night on that show 10 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:58.680 that I didn't have enough time to ask him questions 11 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:01.480 about that experience. So I asked him if he'd be 12 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.480 interested in coming back on to answer those questions, to 13 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.039 do a Q and A basically, and he agreed, So 14 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:11.560 here he is back to do that. Hevn said all that, 15 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:15.000 Thanks again so much for coming back, Wiley. I appreciate it. 16 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:19.000 Hey, Vic, it's no problem, my pleasure. How you doing today? 17 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.960 Doing good? But more importantly, how are you? 18 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.000 I'm doing excellent. We got a lot of snow here 19 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.360 in New Jersey. I've been shoveling out the driveway. I 20 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:32.560 shoveled out my neighbor's driveway. But other than that, we're 21 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:33.360 doing really well. 22 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:36.280 Well, that's good as long as you can say that 23 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:37.080 that's a great thing. 24 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:38.639 Wiley. 25 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:41.960 For anyone who missed episode six nineteen, please give us 26 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:43.400 a brief bio in yourself. 27 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.319 All right. So I grew up in New Jersey, and 28 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:50.639 ever since I was a little kid, my mother took 29 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.319 me I'm hiking across the street. I grew up in 30 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:59.719 a preserved area, which was a thirty six thousand acre 31 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:03.840 part preserved for wildlife, which is pretty It's one of 32 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:08.400 the largest expansions of preserved land with the highest density 33 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:12.360 of population surrounding it. So growing up in New Jersey, 34 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:16.199 I was actually really lucky to have the outdoors just 35 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:18.319 right at the tip of my fingertips. So I was 36 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:20.800 able to explore and go hiking as a kid, which 37 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:28.080 really drew me into like pursuing a career towards the outdoors. 38 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.719 So after high school, I went to a wilderness school 39 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:33.599 in Washington State where I learned to survive in the outdoors. 40 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:37.719 The experience was really amazing. The experience was about a 41 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:41.560 year long, and after the year long survival program, I 42 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.800 ended up moving back to New Jersey. I did AmeriCorps, 43 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.879 where I volunteered all around the country helping different people 44 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:54.639 during natural disasters, wild forest firefighters, and basically doing other 45 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:59.639 service based projects around the country. So that's not nature oriented, 46 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.319 but giving back to people is just something else that 47 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:06.599 I'm very passionate about. So I did amer Corps and 48 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:09.360 then I ended up wanting to move back to Washington State. 49 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:11.919 And when I moved back to Washington State, I ended 50 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:14.840 up getting my four year degree in wildlife biology and 51 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:19.240 forest management. While I was in Washington State, I did 52 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:23.439 a bunch of hiking, mountaineering, backpacking, and it was just 53 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:27.600 absolutely incredible. But I eventually moved back to New Jersey, 54 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:30.680 where I became an arborist. I learned all the tree 55 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.920 species here in New Jersey, I learned how to take 56 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:36.639 care of all the plants and shrubs, and you know, 57 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:39.199 doing the grind in New Jersey was just rough. And 58 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.360 I eventually moved back to Oregon. I moved back to 59 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:47.439 Oregon in twenty twenty five and I became a wild 60 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:52.120 and forest firefighter. And I actually just recently moved back 61 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.560 to New Jersey. So basically, throughout my life since I 62 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.519 was eighteen, I've just been pursuing a career involving the 63 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.879 outdoor and also service based projects, like, I really love 64 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.439 giving back and that's kind of what drew me to 65 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:07.839 becoming a firefighter. Firefighting you get to be in the 66 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:10.360 outdoors and you get to like really help people. So, 67 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:13.879 to make a long story short, that's where I'm at today. 68 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.920 I'm back in New Jersey. I'm looking for work. But yeah, 69 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.800 that's a little bit about myself. I'm really into the 70 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:22.560 outdoors and I really like to give back. 71 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.120 Listening to you talk about all the things you've done 72 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.920 and do, it's clear that you're as nice and benevolent 73 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:33.279 as the day is long. I'm really impressed. I really am. 74 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:37.439 Oh, thank you, Vic, thank you. Yeah, helping people is 75 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.800 what makes the world turn around. If you have a 76 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:45.360 chance to help somebody or something, even if it's a plant, 77 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.879 do it because that helps the world go around. 78 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:52.360 You're a good man. Like I told you before, I 79 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:55.839 just hope you never change. For anyone who missed that 80 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.639 show Friday night, please give us a quick rundown of 81 00:05:58.680 --> 00:05:59.639 your encounter now. 82 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:06.720 Sure thing. So, I had been on a seventeen day 83 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:09.519 camping trip. I had a bunch of vacation time saved 84 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:13.839 up from working in the tree service industry. I'd been 85 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.920 working in the tree service industry for about three years, 86 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:20.920 and if I didn't use my vacation time, it wasn't 87 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:23.480 going to roll over or I wouldn't be able to 88 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:27.639 get to use it. So in right before January, I 89 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:31.879 decided to go on seventeen day camping trip to Florida. 90 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:34.759 While I was in Florida at the time, I was 91 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:38.879 in a really intense relationship. I thought I was with 92 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:42.319 the girl that was going to marry. We were planning 93 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:45.879 on having kids, getting married, and just having a whole 94 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.000 life together. But anyway, it ended up in a big 95 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:52.399 broken heart. So she actually dumped me while I was 96 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:56.319 on the trip, and one thing led to another. I 97 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.439 was just super heartbroken. This was a first some I 98 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.279 had to like move back into my parents' house in 99 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:08.240 my thirties, and it was really a difficult situation. And 100 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:12.279 one evening I was I was having a moment. I 101 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:16.600 was just feeling the feelings and I was here alone 102 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:22.720 at my parents' house and I decided to go on 103 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.519 a walk into the forest at night without a flashlight 104 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:27.879 because this is where I grew up, Like the forest 105 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.399 out here is my serenity. I come out. I go 106 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.399 into the forest to find peace. But at this moment 107 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.040 in time, I wasn't in the best head space, and 108 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:40.279 I went into the forest right across the street from 109 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:44.360 my house, this thirty six thousand acre preserve which has 110 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:50.000 a has a recorded Bigfoot sighting. But you know, that 111 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:53.040 was not my concern at the moment. I just wanted 112 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.680 to go out into the forest. There's this spot out 113 00:07:55.680 --> 00:08:00.319 there called Devil's half Acre, and it's basically it's an 114 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:02.839 unknown spot. Like you could look up Devil's half Acre 115 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.120 and the Saralands. I'm sure you'll find something, but there's 116 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.439 not too many people that know where it is. I 117 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:10.279 think I might be the one person who actually knows 118 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:15.600 the location today who lives in Illsborough. But there's no 119 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:19.000 trails that take you there. It's off the beaten path, 120 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:24.360 so anyway, it's not a far walk from my parents' house. 121 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:27.079 It's basically a ten minute walk through the forest. And 122 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:30.920 after going to the Wilderness School in Washington, I got 123 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:34.840 really used to hiking at night without a flashlight. The 124 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.159 more you hike at night, the better night vision gets, 125 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.039 and I'm always trying to practice that. So I went 126 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.639 out into the forest at night with a broken heart, 127 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.519 really mourning this whole relationship, not really exactly knowing how 128 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.320 to express my emotions and stuff. So I had one 129 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.279 of those moments where you look at the sky and 130 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:57.039 scream why me. So I was out there just having 131 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:01.080 a moment, letting go, and all of the sudden I 132 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:06.960 heard a growl and the growl was clearly a canine, 133 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.679 which just caught me off guard because after studying wildlife biology, 134 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:16.279 you really learned the habits of canines and just wasn't 135 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:20.759 the typical place that you'd hear a canine of that size. 136 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.759 So I'm out there and like sure in the forest 137 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:25.960 where I was, I know there are fox dens and 138 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.279 stuff like that, but the growl that I heard was 139 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:36.360 so low and scary that clearly I decided I need 140 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:40.440 to leave. When you're in the forest by yourself with 141 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:44.080 no flashlight and something growls at you, it's really unsettling. 142 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:49.399 And this forest growing up next to it it's my home. 143 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.000 So I've I grew up kind of feeling like I 144 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.799 was king of the forest here. Nothing could really bother me, 145 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.080 and if there's anything out there, they would respect me. 146 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:02.519 So I went out into the forest with a broken heart, 147 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:06.080 and I was just being loud and obnoxious and kind 148 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:10.240 of disrespectful to whatever is out there. This park is 149 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:14.360 closed at night, there's no access to people can't access 150 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:17.759 it during the evening. So people going out into the 151 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.720 forest and being extra loud, it's just, uh, it doesn't 152 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.559 really happen often. So I'm out there, I hear a growl, 153 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.080 and immediately I knew I need to leave, So I 154 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.759 just I got up and I started trying to make 155 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:32.840 my way out of the forest as fast as possible. 156 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:36.000 So as I'm coming out of the forest, there's a 157 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:38.360 road you have to cross to get into a field. 158 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:44.320 There's where my parents' house is located. There's a one 159 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.759 neighbor by my parents' house and a field, and I 160 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:52.080 basically the mountain side is on the other streets other 161 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.159 side of the street. So I'm coming down out of 162 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:57.960 the forest off of the mountain. I crossed the street 163 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.799 into the field and I start making my way towards 164 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.879 There's a couple of green belts that lead to another field. 165 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:08.000 So there's a field that I'm crossing into a green belt, 166 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:10.960 and another field than my neighbor's house and then my 167 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:14.399 parents' property. So I'm coming down out of the forest 168 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:16.799 and I cross the street and I get into this 169 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.080 field and I'm make my way through the green belt 170 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.960 and I get into the next field, and I hear 171 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.000 whatever was growling at me was following me, and I 172 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.600 could hear it coming through the woods kind of in 173 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.799 the direction that I'm coming in, and that really kind 174 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:38.000 of freaked me out because that's just not typical animal behavior. 175 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:42.440 So basically that scared me to my wits end, and 176 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:44.759 I ended up running through the field and I make 177 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.519 it to the green belt that leads to my parents' property, 178 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.840 and I make my way over to the door that 179 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:55.639 I would enter to get into the room that I'm 180 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:59.000 staying in, which is the room that I'm saying in 181 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:03.360 is basically a photography studio. There's two buildings on my 182 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:08.240 parents' property, the main house and this old Amish barn 183 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:12.679 that my dad turned into a landscape architecture office and 184 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:16.559 a photography studio. So right now, while I'm in between places, 185 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.840 I'm staying in my parents' photography studio, and at that 186 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:23.440 time I was as well. So I'm getting through this. 187 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:26.639 I ran through the field and I'm coming through the 188 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.039 green belt to go into my property, and I make 189 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.320 my way through my property and I go into the 190 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:36.240 door and I leave the door open, and I kind 191 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.039 of just listened to see what was following me. And 192 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:43.159 I can hear something big coming through the field and 193 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:48.200 it's panting, and I got really kind of nervous. I 194 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:54.000 was nervous the whole time. But this canine clearly canine. 195 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:56.399 I thought it was a bear at first. Well, I 196 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:57.960 didn't think it was a bear, but it looked like 197 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:05.399 a bear. And this creature walks basically right in front 198 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.759 of me through my parents yard. I could just see 199 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:13.919 the shadow of it, silhouetted and whatever it was like, 200 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.879 it was huge, and I could hear it breathing as 201 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:21.679 it walking right past my door. And it goes across 202 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:27.320 my parents' yard into the next field and I look 203 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:32.320 at it sit down in the field and it's doing 204 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:36.759 a weird growl and bark and it was making noises, 205 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:39.559 and I decided to whistle at it. And when I 206 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.279 whistled at it, it stopped making the noises and it 207 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:49.120 registered my whistle and then it continued with this growl. Meanwhile, 208 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:53.000 I can see it in the field over sitting canine like, 209 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:58.919 and it starts growling and barking and it did this 210 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:05.919 crazy the growl bark that turned into a howl. And 211 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.039 after studying wildlife biology for so many years, like my 212 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.960 name is Wilie and coyotes are kind of my spirit animals, 213 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.879 so I've actually done some coyote research. I've fed coyotes 214 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.120 from my hand. I also got a chance to do 215 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.679 wolf research and Idaho and I got to track wolves 216 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:30.360 with this amazing researcher. So I'm very familiar with canines, 217 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:33.840 and this was a canine that I'd never heard before, 218 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:37.279 and it struck me, it struck me to be something different, 219 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:42.919 and the sound it made was just unlike anything I've 220 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:47.600 ever heard, and just being in that situation where we're 221 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:51.639 getting stocked by an animal from a distance like that, 222 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:56.480 it's just not like any other animal behavior. And for 223 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.919 the next couple of weeks afterwards, which was really really unusual, 224 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.120 because I had no idea what exactly I was looking at, 225 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:06.000 except that my intuition told me that this was not 226 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:09.960 a wolf, not a coyote. And I had heard of 227 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:14.000 dog man before, and that's exactly what my intuition was saying, 228 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:18.919 like this is not something normal, this is you know. 229 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:21.559 I was in denial, but there's nothing else that could 230 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.759 have been other than a dog man in my opinion. 231 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:30.039 So basically, the next couple of weeks afterwards, I had 232 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:34.399 these really weird dreams where something was looking at me 233 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:36.919 through the window and it freaked me out so much 234 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.559 I tried covering the windows. The windows in this room 235 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:46.639 had no shades, and I started locking the doors every night, 236 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.159 which I've never done before. And I actually just moved 237 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.919 back here from Oregon and I haven't had any weird 238 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.120 feelings and I haven't had the sense that I need 239 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.279 to lock the door. But so that was just like 240 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:02.879 a really really reaction from the experience that I had, 241 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:08.000 and that's basically what I had. That's my dog man experience. 242 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:12.039 I had something tracked me and follow me from the forest, 243 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:16.679 which is just really odd animal behavior. I've been in 244 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:20.000 close proximity to mountain lions, and I've been stalked by 245 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.039 a mountain lion, but the difference between being stalked by 246 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.480 a predator like that is their stealth like the mountain lion. 247 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.360 I didn't realize there was even stalking me until the 248 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:34.840 last second order we made eye contact. This creature, whatever 249 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:38.679 it was, was stalking me and letting me know that 250 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:42.399 it was stalking me. It was keeping a healthy distance away, 251 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.039 but it clearly was escorting me out of the forest, 252 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.679 which was I knew and not normal animal behavior. And 253 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:55.559 so this experience like really freaked me out and I 254 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:58.879 ended up looking up a dog man. I looked up 255 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:01.720 anything I could. I did a bunch of research on 256 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:04.319 dog man after this experience, because my intuition was telling 257 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.200 me that this had to be a dog man and 258 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.880 that's how I found your podcast. And after listening to 259 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.000 your podcast, I heard a few other encounters that were 260 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.279 that took place in the same county, and that just 261 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.519 kind of verified it. Literally, there was a gentleman that 262 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:25.279 was on your show that I think was probably only 263 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.839 a few miles away. So I kind of led me 264 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:30.559 to believe that I might be in a dog man 265 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:34.640 hot spot. And also after that fact, my parents saw 266 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:37.160 something weird. I told my parents about the encounter and 267 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.079 they kind of laughed at me. But literally, within that 268 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:46.839 same week, my mom saw two canine figures. She thought 269 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:50.680 they were deer at first, but when she was inspecting 270 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:53.559 them looking at them, she realized those weren't deer, that 271 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.680 the hair was way too dark and she realized that 272 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.000 they were canine canines out there, some kind of canine. 273 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:03.559 She didn't know what they were she but they, she said, 274 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.000 they're as big as dogs. And when she noticed them, 275 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:10.400 they noticed her, and they dashed away like lightning, faster 276 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:13.160 than any animal she'd ever seen. And like maybe a 277 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:17.359 week later, my dad witnessed the same two creatures that 278 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:20.119 were when my mom saw them. They were in the 279 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:22.359 back of our property. When my dad saw them, they 280 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:24.680 were on the outer edge of one of the fields, 281 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:27.200 and the same thing happened. My dad saw them and 282 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.359 they noticed him, and my dad said they they ran 283 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.039 like faster than an the animal he'd ever seen. And 284 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.119 my parents called me up and they're like, hey, Wiley, 285 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:37.559 we saw a dog man. And they were kind of 286 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.799 joking about it, and they told me there what they saw, 287 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.960 and yeah, so they were kind of joking about it. 288 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:47.839 They don't really believe that they saw a dog man, 289 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.039 but they definitely saw something that, you know, got their attention. 290 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.680 And after my mom saw that, she started taking pictures. 291 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.319 She found one picture of like a giant canine track 292 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:03.359 right outside of our our barn, and our barn door 293 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.839 has a cat door in it, and right in front 294 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.960 of the cat door was this gigantic canine track in 295 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:15.079 the snow. And uh yeah, So, like I don't think 296 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:18.200 my parents really believe what they saw, but like, deep down, 297 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.960 I think they know there's something out here that's strange, 298 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.319 because every once in a while they'll tell me this, 299 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:25.880 not every once in a while, like once they told 300 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.920 me they saw a track and they saw canines. But 301 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.839 that's basically all the activity that I've had that they've had. 302 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.160 I've been in organ this whole time, but since I've 303 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.720 been back, the few days i've been back, I haven't 304 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:42.319 had any activity. But that's kind of what happened. To 305 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:44.720 sum it up, Yeah, that's a lot. 306 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:49.839 It really is. A dog mean encounter can teach you 307 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:53.359 a lot about yourself when all said and done with 308 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.839 regards to that encounter, of course, would you say that 309 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.680 the bulk of what you learn from it? Would you 310 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.839 say the bulk fit was outward or inward? 311 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:10.200 I would say it was. That's a that's a good question. 312 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:19.799 Well, basically, uh, I would say it was somewhat bold because, uh, 313 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:27.720 basically I started researching the creature and heard a lot 314 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:31.640 more encounters that seemed very credible. 315 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:37.720 But you know, it did seem to test my feelings 316 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:43.880 and emotions. And you know, after having experience an experience 317 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:49.680 like that, I I've never really felt scared to live 318 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:52.200 where I've lived like this, this forest here in New 319 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.160 Jersey has always been my sanctuary, my safe space, and 320 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:59.119 I've never really like felt too nervous. But after having 321 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.640 that encounter, I I was honestly scared to like go outside, 322 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:06.279 and where I'm staying at right now, you have to 323 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:09.200 go outside in order to use the bathrooms and stuff 324 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:13.880 like that. So after having that encounter, really it really 325 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.039 kind of gave me PTSD. For a while, I wouldn't 326 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:21.920 leave the door unlocked and I was trying to cover 327 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.160 up the windows because I was having these vivid dreams 328 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:28.160 that something was watching me. But you know, moving back 329 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:31.200 to New Jersey and moving out of my parents' house, 330 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:36.920 that PTSD sort of simmered away. But yeah, it was 331 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.319 definitely a little bit of both internal and external, because 332 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.400 it was internal at the moment because I was like 333 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:48.720 terrified of my parents' property for a while. And I 334 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.480 would say it's also external because I dove into this 335 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.119 topic and just started doing so much research and now 336 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:58.279 I believe that there's definitely something out there, so a 337 00:21:58.279 --> 00:21:59.119 little bit of both. 338 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:04.319 Yeah, that's how it normally goes. And sometimes the only 339 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:06.920 way you can learn certain things about yourself is by 340 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:09.039 having a profound experience like the one. 341 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:09.799 That you had that night. 342 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:13.559 With that in mind, and with that being said, what 343 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:17.000 surprised you most about what you learned about yourself after 344 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:17.480 having that. 345 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:25.839 Encounter probably the fact that I have a craving for more. 346 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:31.440 I want to learn more about the subject. I'm definitely 347 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.319 I would like to have a better sighting. You know, 348 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:36.640 you better watch out for what you wish for. But 349 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:41.759 at the same time, studying wildlife biology and tracking lousive animals, 350 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:44.799 the fact that there's something that could be unknown out 351 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:47.559 there just really intrigues me, and I want to learn more. 352 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:51.400 I'm not really out here to prove it that anything 353 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:54.359 is real or that exists. I really want to unpay 354 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.240 these creatures the respect that they deserve and give them 355 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:00.799 their space. But I definitely want to learn more. And 356 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:04.480 you know, after having a scary situation like that, you 357 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:08.920 would think that maybe I'd be intimidated to learn more, 358 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:13.240 But just after so many life experiences that I've had, 359 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:16.400 I realized, like sometimes pushing your comfort zones and doing 360 00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:21.599 something that scares you makes you stronger in the long run. So, like, 361 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.880 though though this topic is unnerving and I don't really 362 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.559 know what to think about the behavior of this creature, 363 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.720 I am interested to learn more, especially after hearing people's 364 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.759 encounters and stories. You know, you hear some that are 365 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.880 obviously aggressive, and then sometimes you hear some that aren't. 366 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:47.160 You know, mine mine was kind of unnerving and aggressive 367 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:50.599 because when I had the chance to whistle and like 368 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:54.640 kind of interact with the creature, I didn't get a warm, 369 00:23:54.759 --> 00:24:00.960 fuzzy like vibe. I got a growl and a howl, 370 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:05.720 and it was clearly trying. It was clearly an aggressive 371 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:12.519 behavior that it was trying to display. So with that said, uh, 372 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:16.720 I think these are apex predators and you should always 373 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.279 give your give these give animals their space. So it's 374 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:23.880 just a touchy subject, you know, It's really difficult to 375 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:26.799 figure out how to go about even trying to research 376 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.599 something like this, and the research that I do is 377 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:35.319 basically just for my own enlightenment. I'm you know, I 378 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.920 don't really want to prove any any of these cryptos 379 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:41.559 are real, so but I do want to know more 380 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:43.799 about these creatures, and I would love to be able 381 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:47.559 to study them. I'm fascinated by all nature and wildlife, 382 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.960 and these creatures exist, you know, they're here, they're part 383 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:57.240 of nature. So yeah, that's what really surprised me the most. 384 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.559 Well, it's obviously you have a lot of curious You're 385 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:05.359 obviously very intelligent, you love the outdoors, you love nature. 386 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:07.880 It's only natural that you try to find out all 387 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.039 you can about these guys. So yeah, that doesn't come 388 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:16.279 as a surprise. Now, you just mentioned respect, and obviously 389 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.079 you'd be the last person to ever intentionally disrespected dog men. 390 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:24.240 But have you ever thought about the possibility that that 391 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:27.039 dog men vocalize the way it did when you're listening 392 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:29.920 to it just outside your door that night, because of 393 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.880 you going into what just might have been its home, 394 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:35.319 or it might have considered to be its home, i e. 395 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:44.680 The Devil's half Acre and yelling why me, Uh. 396 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.559 Yeah, I definitely think that I had something to do 397 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:51.759 with it. You know, if these animals are out there 398 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.799 and they're apex predators and they look at humans like 399 00:25:55.359 --> 00:26:03.480 you know, you know, what are big bodies of meat 400 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:08.480 that can pretty easily be taken down I'm sure it was. 401 00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:14.440