WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:06.080 Concerts and oh yeah, keeping the magic alive. My Heart 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:07.919 Radio is here to bring the joy to your busy 3 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:15.000 days with commercial free Christmas stations like iHeart Christmas four 4 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:17.679 dozens of playlists so you can pick and match your 5 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:22.359 holiday vibe. Open your free iHeart app and search Holiday 6 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:24.120 to explore stations, playlists and more. 7 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:34.240 Billy Cunning had the Great American Welcome this one day 8 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:36.920 afternoon in the Tri Stay. Jeff Bengals set it up 9 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:40.280 again on Sunday in Tennessee coming up later as Karen 10 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:42.880 Johnson schedule of Channel five to talk about the Later 11 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.399 she broke the story about Joe Burrow. What was happening 12 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:47.759 and there was a deputy sheriff in the driveway we 13 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.439 think at the time, and he was probably listening to 14 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:53.079 the radio with the windows up, and they break in 15 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:55.679 took place in the back and we're not sure what 16 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:58.359 was taken. And for those who have been in that area, 17 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:01.000 it's rather heavily wooded area right on the High River 18 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:03.840 Anderson Township. With Joe Burrow, we have more facts on 19 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:06.079 that coming up later. But first of all, Chris Finnie 20 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:08.400 is one of the great civil rights attorneys in the 21 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.239 Tri State. Has his own law firm downtown Cincinnati does 22 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:14.359 a great job. And Chris Finni, welcome again to the 23 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:17.239 Bill Cunningham Show. And Chris, I, you're aware of the 24 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:21.959 judgment entry signed by Judge Rohlman about six years ago 25 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:24.599 in which the City of Cincinnati is under certain duties 26 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:28.120 to do certain things about illegal encampments on public property. 27 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:31.319 Can you first tell the American people what this order 28 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:34.879 says and how it relates to cleaning up the homeless camps, 29 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.120 which is not occurring in the city of Cincinnati. 30 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:41.319 Well, first of all, Willie, happy birthday, Thank you, thank you, 31 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:45.599 and take it. Hearkens back to a time when three 32 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:50.200 three words were important, or phrases were important in society. 33 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:54.200 One is comply with the law. Who is that blight 34 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:58.680 and vagrancy were bad things and we had to as 35 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:00.959 a community. And we were not as wealthy then as 36 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.840 we are today as a community. But back in the day, 37 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:07.120 we had to fight to keep our communities nice and 38 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:10.639 we knew that light and vagrancy in ignoring the law 39 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:15.240 was a bad thing. And these fundamental values have been 40 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.360 lost apparently on our city fathers today. 41 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:23.199 So years ago, Joe Dieters, there was an encampment on 42 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:25.719 Fourth Street. Red's game's going and there was a lot 43 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:28.159 of begging going on, which is a separate issue, but 44 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:33.039 open air drug use, marijuana smoked in public, which even 45 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:38.000 today is illegal but it's not enforced, and defecation, fornication, 46 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:41.319 un urination all over the place. And so they went 47 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:44.199 to court, and so the order was signed, and it's 48 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.280 been put in a drawer ever since and ignored. And 49 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:49.680 so how does this order relate to what's happening today. 50 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:55.199 Well, back in twenty eighteen, the city wasn't enforcing the 51 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:59.039 laws that for time immemorial had been enforced to prevent 52 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:04.199 vagrancy and blight, to get the drug users and the 53 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.199 mentally ill off the streets and into a shelter where 54 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:11.039 they can be helped. And for whatever reason, you know, 55 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.000 you've seen it in California, you've seen it in Seattle, 56 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:15.919 you've seen it in Oregon, you've seen it on the 57 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:25.439 East Coast. Somehow the progressives think that heroin users committing 58 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:30.960 robberies and other crimes in homeless camps and and really, 59 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:35.080 you know, you know, showing esthetically bad for our city 60 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.719 as well, is somehow a good value. And they wouldn't 61 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:42.199 enforce the law. So Joe Deaters showing tremendous leadership because 62 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.759 the city persistently refused to do what was the obvious, 63 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:47.840 and they had been done for one hundred years prior 64 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:51.000 to clean out the you know, the people that are 65 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:54.199 trouble from and in this case, as you point out, 66 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.039 they were in the most public areas they could be 67 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:58.159 right when somebody's going to a Reds or Bengals game 68 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:02.039 or something like that. And he went in and sued 69 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:05.080 the city and said, you're honoring this was Judge Ruleman. 70 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:09.599 Please make the city enforce the law and get rid 71 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:14.319 of this. It's a nuisance and causing problems for our residents. 72 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:19.000 And there's a wonderful agreed entry signed by the city 73 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:22.879 and the county and Judge Rulman from back in twenty 74 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.720 eighteen that orders them to do what can be done. 75 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:28.920 And by the way, Willie, there's a myth out there 76 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:33.439 somehow that legally we can't any longer do what we 77 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:35.439 did for one hundred and fifty years in this city, 78 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:39.879 which is to clear out homeless encampments, vagrancy, open air 79 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:43.959 drug use. And we can the tools not only exist, 80 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:48.199 but the city has been ordered ordered in twenty eighteen, 81 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.800 and it's a permanent order to enforce the law, and 82 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:53.639 they're ignoring that order, and. 83 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:56.959 They've ignored it for the last six years. Now, yesterday 84 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.680 fire Chief Frank McKinley and the mayor and share along. 85 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.600 I would note there was no police president or the 86 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:06.839 prosecutor's office that they were saying the homeless encampment did 87 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.160 not cause this. Now, I've spoken other cops beaten around 88 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:13.600 the bush, But irrespective of what that, what happened four 89 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.920 seventy one talk about the illegal encampments in Mount Washington, 90 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:20.800 and also on I seventy one there was a fire 91 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.079 under a bridge that was put out also in Columbia Parkway, 92 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:28.240 and the city still doesn't enforce the law nor comply 93 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.680 with the order. So when the city doesn't do that, 94 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:33.480 what's the resolution? What can be done? 95 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:34.240 Right? 96 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:39.000 So in Stanbury Park they hang out in the you know, 97 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:42.079 the bandstand where there's some cover. They do that down 98 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:44.480 at saw your point on the P and G pavilion, 99 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.040 and they do it under the bridges. So the police 100 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:50.199 know exactly where these people are congregating and what they're doing. 101 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.800 They know exactly what to do and and you know, 102 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.279 there was an article in the paper with somebody soon 103 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.079 to be a judge in him kind of she just 104 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.240 got elected Virginia Talent, who was in charge of us 105 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:04.639 for the city, and they basically said, we know we 106 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.839 intentionally ignore this stuff. We don't want to clear up 107 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:10.360 the homeless. You know that, we want to leave them alone. 108 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.680 And the problem with that is we talked about last time. 109 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:19.000 You have this wonderful business owner, a pioneer in downtown, 110 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.680 in the business district of Mount Washington, trying to run 111 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:26.399 a barbecue stand, putting their time, their personal safety, and 112 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:30.160 their life savings at risk of growing a barbecue business, 113 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.600 and they have to deal with drug dealers, drug users, 114 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:38.680 and homeless people sleeping on their picnic tables rather than 115 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.800 just run their business. And it creates an environment not 116 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:43.759 just in Cincinnati, but you here in Seattle, and you 117 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.560 here in Portland, you're here in Los Angeles. Business owners 118 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:47.920 just give up. They say, if you're not going to 119 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.959 enforce the law that's written, we're not asking for any 120 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.279 new laws. And in this case, the city has been 121 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:56.319 ordered to enforce the law ordered. Have you ever seen 122 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.920 a situation when we where the city was ordered to 123 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:01.040 enforce the law ever seen it. But this is an 124 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:04.879 agreed entry from six years ago, and they are obligated 125 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.600 under a common police court order to do these things 126 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.800 and persistently. Again, we have the tools, we have the laws. 127 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:13.800 We don't need any new laws. We need the police 128 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:17.720 and the city administration to enforce the laws as written. 129 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:22.040 Chris Finny, Kansas City be sued for either other mandamus, 130 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:26.879 procedendo writ a prohibition. Something a citizen can arise and say, 131 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:30.800 you know what, that the city is ignoring an obvious 132 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.399 legal duty and I want recompense for that. 133 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:37.680 Yes, And actually I talked to my co counsel, Kurt Hartman. 134 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.959 He is of counsel to the Finny Law Firm, a 135 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.959 brilliant constitutional attorney, public interest attorney, and I believe it 136 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.199 is our plan to in fact do that. We're either 137 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.800 going to move to intervene in this case or move 138 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.279 for a mandamus under this to do that and really 139 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.399 follow through. And I really want to make sure that 140 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.480 people know this. If it wasn't for Judge Ruhlman, who 141 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.319 had the you know, fortitude to stand up and do this, 142 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.160 and Joe Deeters to take the leadership. Remember the county 143 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:08.160 prosecutor had to sue the city to force them to 144 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:11.160 enforce the law. That's an extraordinary act and it took 145 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.720 a lot of bravery and fortitude on both of their parts, 146 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.480 but they saw the direction the city was heading by, 147 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:19.800 you know, like I say, a La Portland or Los 148 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:23.480 Angeles or San Francisco with these open air drug markets, 149 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.120 and they and thanks to them, at least on a 150 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:29.199 temporary basis, we put a stop to it. But it's 151 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:32.639 creeping back in now and we need the law enforced 152 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:33.360 as written. 153 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:37.639 Well, one might say, we now have a very liberal 154 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:41.759 First District Court of Appeals, very liberal. And I spoke 155 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.440 to a prosecutor someone in the office about this, and 156 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.039 I said, well, this this case is now six years, 157 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:50.399 six and a half years old. The success of the 158 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.600 judge Rolman is Judge Patrick Dinkelocker, who's not exactly a liberal. 159 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.320 He's likely to enforce the law. But is there an 160 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.440 appellate remedy? Could the city six and a half years 161 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:03.720 later on this order, say you know what, we want 162 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:08.440 to change the Politically things have changed in the hamlet 163 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:10.840 the county significantly the last six and a half years. 164 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.080 And none of us are certain what Connie Pelach is 165 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:15.840 going to do. The new prosecutor who comes in office 166 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:17.600 in about two weeks. I don't think she knows what 167 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:20.360 she's going to do. She's never prosecuted anybody in her 168 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:23.559 entire life. She's in her sixties. But nonetheless, could the 169 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:26.399 city claim, well, we want to appeal this, we don't 170 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.559 agree with it. Now, we want to change the order 171 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:30.799 so that we don't have to enforce the law. Is 172 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:31.440 that possible? 173 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:36.600 I think always Willie. You know, I tell people in 174 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:40.200 the constitutionary, in the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, when 175 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.919 we go into a federal judge, for example, to seek 176 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:47.799 enforcement of an existing right that exists, that right hip 177 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.559 means nothing if the judge won't pull the trigger, if 178 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.080 the judge won't enforce it. So, yeah, we need strong 179 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:58.159 willed judges and Connie Pilwich and you know somebody, or 180 00:09:58.200 --> 00:09:59.559 maybe we can do it on our own, like I say, 181 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:01.039 we're going to move to intervene in the case and 182 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:04.639 just enforce it ourselves. But we need strong willed public 183 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:06.679 officials that are willing to stand up and do something 184 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:07.399 about these things. 185 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.559 Absolutely, and this order talks about the homeless individuals themselves 186 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:16.679 are causing a public nuisance. But more importantly, maybe they 187 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:21.440 themselves have their own personal health and safety at risk. 188 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.039 It is not safe for them to live on city 189 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.759 streets when it's thirty degrees and its raining or snowing, 190 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.679 and to have these fires under overpass. It's not good 191 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.600 for them and it's not good for us. And secondly, 192 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:37.639 Chris Finny, there's a memo that Ken Kobert, who's the 193 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.200 sergeant and CPD who's head of the union now shared 194 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.720 with me in which the city directed the chief of 195 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:49.919 police not to enforce the criminal statute of criminal trespass. 196 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.240 And I read this and I said, how's that possible? 197 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:58.759 And Cheryl Long said, in this memo only enforced criminal 198 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:03.080 trespass if there's a secondary offense being committed, which, of 199 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:04.919 course the great majority of time there is, whether it's 200 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:08.559 drug use or prostitution or defecation in public, whatever it 201 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.440 might be. But how unusual is it for a city 202 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:16.039 to tell its police division do not enforce a criminal 203 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:17.600 statute of the state of Ohio. 204 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:21.960 I think it is not only extraordinary. That's what got 205 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:26.039 the LA District Attorney voted out of office in the fall. 206 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.200 But this gets to a third issue. So we talked 207 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.440 about the prosecutors. We talked about the judges and the 208 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.480 city officials, but it also gets to the citizenry because 209 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:42.039 I think that in solid neighborhoods that don't have problems, 210 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:46.000 the citizens wouldn't tolerate the kind of stuff that you 211 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.639 see either down on Fourth Street or in Stanbury Park. 212 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:51.919 And the reality is the city's got a tiger by 213 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.440 the tail because the citizens of Mount Washington aren't going 214 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.600 to put up with this, and they're speaking out and 215 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:58.960 they're going to vote on these issues. So it's at 216 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.799 their peril that they But here's another question, Willie. Why 217 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:07.080 would a progressive you say, liberals, judges or prosecutors or 218 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.240 city council members or whoever share along, Why would they 219 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:14.039 think this is a good policy vagrancy? Why it doesn't 220 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:16.840 help the vagrant, who's that going to freeze to death? 221 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.519 It doesn't help the communities. It doesn't help business owners 222 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:22.919 that are trying to serve the communities. It doesn't help 223 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.080 the little old lady that has to catch the bus 224 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:28.919 to get to shopping, who could get mugged. Who's I 225 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:30.879 just I look at this and I say, well, okay, 226 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.200 let's assume you're good hearted. But you're a liberal, you 227 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.039 disagree with you and I on public policy, but why 228 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:40.360 would that ever be a good thing to allow that 229 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:42.360 to happen. It doesn't benefit anyone. 230 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.320 Another aspect of this order, which is paragraph six' a, 231 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:50.679 it says this court is exercising its county wide jurisdiction. 232 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:54.480 By the way, that includes dent over encampments on public 233 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:59.600 property and privately own unlicensed parks, camps, park camp sites 234 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.039 and and otherwise. So if someone claims, like a Saint 235 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.840 Francis Seraph Church which is an open air drug market, 236 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:09.799 that it's private property, it's owned by the archdiocese. This 237 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:15.480 order covers privately owned businesses and property not licensed and 238 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:19.559 not zoned to have people living there. And so even 239 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.759 Stanbury Park that you'd say there's an orchestras stand or 240 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.720 whatever underneath, it's a public park owned by the city. 241 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:29.120 But this order covers every piece of dirt and Hambleton County, 242 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.279 no matter where it's situated. It's a clear order. And 243 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.159 unless the city wants to go back in front of 244 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.720 Judge Dinkelocker, good luck with that to amend the order. 245 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.159 This is in effect. And you can't tell a municipal 246 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:47.519 a government cannot tell police not to arrest crimes committed 247 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.480 in their presence and do the cops themselves of liability 248 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:54.960 because on one hand, the cops are being told don't 249 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:58.000 enforce criminal statutes by the state of Ohio, and on 250 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:00.720 the other hand, the person that signs if their paycheck 251 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:02.960 says we're not going to pay you if you don't 252 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.960 violate the law. Doesn't that put a cop in an 253 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:07.159 untenable situation? 254 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.240 That I mean, Willie, It's almost like the last election 255 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:15.559 where so many things were compared to the values that 256 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.879 I grew up with, were turned upside down on their head. 257 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:23.440 This is the same and again, who I want somebody 258 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.559 to step in the mayor share along, somebody to stand 259 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.799 up and tell us why this is a good idea 260 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.679 to allow vagrants, open air drug markets, drug dealers to 261 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:36.679 be in our parks and on our streets, versus getting 262 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:38.600 them into shelters where they can get the treatment and 263 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:40.879 the health that I think that by the way, I 264 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.080 think that is compassion I don't believe that it is 265 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:46.879 incompassionate to take these people off the streets and get 266 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:48.919 them the mental health treatment and the drug treatment that 267 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.919 they need. I think that is compassion, But I want 268 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.039 someone to tell me why it's a good policy to 269 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.679 let this stuff run rampant. And again what I said 270 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:01.879 last time I was on we're creating a atmosphere of 271 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:04.840 disregard of the law, whether it's on immigration, on the 272 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:08.039 homelessness issue, or anything else. Who thinks it's a good 273 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:10.399 idea to write a law and then tell everybody to 274 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:13.600 ignore it. It creates an infection all the way down 275 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:15.000 the system when we do that. 276 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.399 Well, well, when this lawsuit has filed, Tony Bender, my producer, 277 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:20.960 may not understand what it is. Explain what a mandamus 278 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.759 action is as compared to a procedendo or read a prohibition. 279 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.519 He needs to know the particulars. How can you intervene 280 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:29.679 when you're not the state of Ohio, you're not the 281 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:33.039 prosecutor's office, and you're not the city. Explain that to Tony. 282 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:38.679 Well, Well, Willie, the whole issue is an attorney of 283 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.360 who has standing, who can enforce the obvious law that's 284 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:46.360 already on the books is a thicket and the judges 285 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:49.519 can't even agree on what the right answer is. But 286 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.120 a man damus is where a government official has a 287 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:55.519 clear duty to do something and they're not doing it, 288 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.480 and you have a court order them to stamp the 289 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:02.600 deed or or accept a filing, or issue the building 290 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.320 permit or whatever it is. But a man damus makes 291 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:07.720 them do what the law clearly requires them to do. 292 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:11.120 So you and Kurt Hartman are cogitating right now on 293 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:14.519 a more or less a citizens lawsuit of someone who's affected. 294 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.720 I would imagine that good folks in Mount Washington are affected. 295 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:22.360 Jackie Brison, the president of the Downtown Residence Council, is affected. 296 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.720 They're up in arms. Montgomery and Boathouse is certainly affected. 297 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:29.960 The Reds, the Bengals FC are affected by this. And 298 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.440 it's just saying a court is going to order the 299 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:36.320 city again to do its duty and don't use excuses. 300 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.840 It is. Our plan is of this morning to figure 301 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:41.519 out how to get that filing done by later this 302 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:43.600 week or early next week to put a stop to it. 303 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:47.320 The city officials can't continue to you know, they just 304 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:49.320 ignore it. I mean, you don't have a press conference 305 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.480 where somebody says we're going to ignore the homelessness issue. Instead, 306 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:54.559 they don't talk about it, and we're going to make 307 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.840 them start to talk about it and confront what they're doing. 308 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.519 Put them under oath, get after pure of all, share 309 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:02.440 a law. I don't know the fire Chief, Frank McKinley, 310 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.039 he looks somewhat confident. The other two concerned me greatly, 311 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:09.200 but nonetheless, once again, Chris Finnie, you're doing the Lord's 312 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.200 work and we'll see what happens with the homeless. This 313 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.519 thing is not going to be resolved today, tomorrow, next week, 314 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:15.680 next month. It's been going on for years, and it's 315 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:19.559 metastasized into a cancer's tumor in many American cities and 316 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.480 it can't happen here, not under your watch. Get out, Harman. 317 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:26.920 This is the compassion of the answer, and we do 318 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:29.319 care about these people. It's not a question of being 319 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:31.240 harsh on these people. It's a question of getting them 320 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:33.960 out of the elements and into the programs that they need. 321 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.680 It's not helpful to them and their lifestyle, and it's 322 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.440 tremendously hurtful to the city to have these open air 323 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.640 homeless camps and drug marts. It's not good, all. 324 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:45.880 Right, Chris Finny, you're a great American, and thanks for 325 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:47.319 coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. 326 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:50.279 Happy birthday, Willie. Thanks for bringing us snow on your birthday. 327 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:52.720 Well, the more the more you have, the less valuable 328 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:55.480 they are. But on the other hand, when you have 329 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:58.119 less time to live, each moment becomes more important. 330 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:02.400 It life. Life gets into perspective when you start moving 331 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:03.279 up there, I've learned. 332 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.359 Yes, sir, well you're getting pretty old too, but that's 333 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.799 a different issue. Chris Fenny, thanks for coming on, and 334 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:10.920 we'll look forward. When that thing is filed later this 335 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.440 week or next, let us know and we'll get out 336 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.319 the word to the American people that often you represent 337 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:20.880 so well. Chris Finnie, Thank you, thank you, God bless America. 338 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.920 Let's continue with more the truth and the law will 339 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:27.640 set us all free. On news radio seven hundred WULW. 340 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:32.720 It's the world's Friendliest Plumbers. Robert Jones Plumbing. Now I 341 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.160 hit the music, Dave. Great day to be an American. 342 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.519 Let's continue. We never stop. We simply continue unabated. After 343 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:44.079 one o'clock today we'll be Karen Johnson of the Power 344 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:47.000 of five on the Joe Burrow Burglary. What it is, 345 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:50.680 what it isn't, and we'll see where it goes from here. 346 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:53.799 I don't like the idea of the deputy sheriff catching 347 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:57.279 flag for sitting in the sitting in the in the 348 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:02.240 driveway because according to I think by Karen Johnson, the 349 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.799 so called burglary took place sometime between one or two 350 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:12.880 pm on Sunday until eight pm on Monday, So we're 351 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:17.119 talking maybe about a thirty hour period. And I do 352 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:20.920 not think the police officer was on duty, so to speak. 353 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.440 He was off duty but in in a marked car 354 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.960 until sometime on Monday. So the burglary could have taken 355 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:33.720 place Sunday, I'm sorry, Saturday night or Sunday morning. It 356 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.839 could have taken place earlier Sunday evening or Monday morning, 357 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:41.240 and the cop wasn't there now and there is some 358 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:43.680 concern did the cop get out of his car walk 359 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:45.640 around the house when he first arrived. I don't know. 360 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.920 You've heard the nine one one calls. We'll see what happens. 361 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:50.799 But the long and the short of it, once again, 362 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:53.599 there was a high end burglary taking place in the 363 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:56.519 Dry State. And there have been many, many, many, many, 364 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.279 many many many high end burglaries taking place in the 365 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.759 Dry State, and according to law enforcement officials, it comes 366 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:07.480 from South American gangs. I watched on another show out 367 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.680 of Denver that there's eighty to ninety separate gangs containing 368 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.599 ten to twenty members each who come in and out 369 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.599 of the country, and they're used and abused the actual 370 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:21.039 burglars themselves by the organizers because if they don't assist 371 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:24.319 in the burglary, they can be killed or they're family 372 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:28.720 killed back in Venezuela or Chile. So it doesn't mean 373 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:30.880 you're not responsible. Of course they are. But one of 374 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.880 the rules is don't hurt anybody, in other words, keep 375 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:38.160 it a lower profile. So in this case, there was 376 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:40.799 a nine to one one call, the twenty two year 377 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:43.599 old influencer called her mother in New York City, who 378 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:46.400 then called, and also there was another call made and 379 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:49.000 the influencer of the twenty two year old, I assume 380 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:52.160 with Joe in some sense or another, whether as an 381 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:57.279 employee or a girlfriend, said that was asked, is he 382 00:20:57.319 --> 00:20:59.720 still in the home? I don't think so. So none 383 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.160 of the law us. These burglaries are taking place on 384 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:06.480 a more frequent, frequent basis in the Tri State. I'm 385 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:08.759 going to talk to Karen Johnson about what the Indian 386 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:12.000 Hill Rangers have to say and what Sycamore Township has 387 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.960 to say and also Villa Hills, what they have to 388 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:17.079 say in Blue Ashton, Madeira, what they have to say 389 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:20.680 their professional jobs, and it's done. If you live in 390 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:23.160 a Cape Cod in Montford Heights, you're probably in pretty 391 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:25.759 good shape, but you might know other difficulties. So we'll 392 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:28.279 see what happens. Karen Johnson will be here about one 393 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:31.599 oh seven this afternoon and talk about that, but first 394 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.039 after have puerival and share a long are not any 395 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:41.240 different than other liberal democratic mayors and city managers that 396 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:45.599 have basically ruined most American cities. One cannot walk in 397 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:49.599 San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, Washington, d C. Memphis 398 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.480 without either avoiding the urine and the poop and the tents, 399 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:58.759 or panhandling or worse, which are robberies, murders, burglaries, et cetera. 400 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:01.839 It's one of the things happening. And do not believe 401 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:05.920