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for tuning into this episode of The Big Truth Podcast.
Speaker 3: Even though we just kind of started. It was a
sorry man, I was rambling.
Speaker 2: I'm here with my brother Ray Chaos, who you probably
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What's going on?
Speaker 4: Living? Breathing every day? Love it?
Speaker 3: That's what we do, hanging out, you.
Speaker 4: Know, waiting for the warmth to set in, supposed to
get like it's supposed to be sixty something degrees tomorrow
after it was snowing last week. So yeah, we're ready.
I'm ready.
Speaker 2: I know you guys like a no stranger to this,
but like we got dumped on. We got thirty eight inches.
So even though right now it's like fifty degrees out
there is still like snow drift piles like taller than
me all over the place because it can't melt. Now
everything's muddy and everything just a messager. That's just the
Northeast bullshit that we.
Speaker 4: Deal with, right, Oh yeah for real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so we're just gonna start off with.
Speaker 4: This different Yeah, this is snow. This snow was different.
This this snow was different this year. I know, I
don't know, that's that's just my thought on it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like, I know, you guys are on
a different, like get a little different weather stream than us.
But like we've had it pretty mild the last couple
of years, so I feel like I have We've got
all the the last four years of snowfall all fell
in the last two weeks here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you guys tacher all at once?
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you guys get hamme in too?
Speaker 4: We got we got about a foot on this last one.
Oh okay, yeah, So but but before that we got hit.
You know, I was helping I was helping my neighbors
like shovel snow off their roofs, you know, just so
it didn't like collapse old and it's crazy, crazy trying
to get out. I had to abandon my jeep and
then go find it a couple of days later once
the plows had their way and everything is it. It
was too much. It definitely gave me the be incentive
to like, you know, I might have to start snowburning.
Speaker 2: Yeah for real, I know I feel like the older
we get that that Actually we used to make fun
of that, but now it's like that's because right now
everybody that's in like Arizona and California or wherever around
the world where it's nice and woman just laughing at us,
being like you idiots, why why are you dealing with that?
But that's it's, it is what it is, all right.
So we're gonna we're gonna start this off with a pole.
What do people prefer, because we're both on the same
keeping our beards, but let them go gray by the
day gray or by the day. But do you like,
do you prefer the no mustache or sorry this is
or raise with a mustache? You you look more like
a like an old school like I get I get
made fun of like either like amisham Abe Lincoln and
you you have like you know, like a like a
Dwarven Warrior look there, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Just like I get the I get the dwarf in
or the Sea Captain, I get a lot. You know.
It's like I had a I had a kid, uh
a kid like stop get in her tracks with her
family walking past the bar the other day and like
just looking at me, and then I just hear the whispers.
Is that Santa you know?
Speaker 2: You know that's that's when the gray, that's that's when
you hit you hit Santa level grade in that bitch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm almost there. It's like, you know, I had
the racing stripes, the uh you know, the Kirk crow
Bar racing stripes for a while, and now it's just
I just want to all right, old greats where I
can't eat certain food anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got the stripes, but the grays getting thicker,
like it shows here. But then whatever decides a little
more black. It's genetics is a weird thing, man, you
know what I mean. But I saw a picture of
me from three years ago. This thing was solid black.
I'm like, that's how fast it creeps in it just
like bang that was that was.
Speaker 4: Uh that was before uh, that was pre marriage, before
my my, my brief marriage, and so it definitely that
it took its toll.
Speaker 2: It's exasperated, it escalated things that moved it along. That's
like when you see the president and the president comes
in he looks all young and stuff, and then four
years later he's like gray and looks old. That's if
you believe it's a yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all the
That's what I was gonna say. If that's even if
you believe that's actually the president.
Speaker 3: And not someone in a mask. You see all that ship.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love it. I love it. I
am my whole algorithm is stuck on conspiracies and parasite
and just and I'm here for it. Oh yeah, absolutely
love it. It used to be cigars and tits. Now
it's all just it's you know, it's all just the
conspiracies and it's what's real. What's not AI is just.
I mean, I'm not worried about AI yet, just because
of like when I if I hit on Spotify, I
hit Siri to play Elton John and it plays Pantera.
I'm not worried about AI taken over yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll listen.
Speaker 4: I love Elton. I listen to some outon John, it's
a it's there's I don't think we're at that point.
I mean maybe we're on the precipice of it, you know,
coalescing into something that's really worrisome. But yeah, I'm here
for it. I want to see it all. I want
to see it all go down. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 2: So it's a weird thing, right because of in life,
like I'm into the weirdest shit, Like, like I love
it all. I love all the conspiracy, all the paranormal,
all the high strangeness, all the weirdness stuff.
Speaker 3: I love it all.
Speaker 2: And eighty percent of it I look as entertainment, right,
But it's entertainment with like even if a fraction of
this is true, the world's like like more awesome than
we know or more interesting at least than we know.
But when I post stuff like with the new Redacted Channel,
I try and only concentrate on things that are like
tried hard, true, backed up with you know, receipts with
like you know that I have, Like here are the
actual you know, released files on this, you know what
I mean? Like this is you know, I try and
only put that stuff out right now because I'm trying
to build credibility before I just go completely wacko and
everyone's like, now, this guy's just off the rails. He's
talking about you know, but on the podcast we'll talk
about whatever, like you know, I don't know if you
heard the one. I had a couple episodes to get
go with this author MDC.
Speaker 4: Leig.
Speaker 2: He's like a he was an Air Force fighter, he
was a navel Sorry no, no, he's a marine Marine
fighter pilot and UH squad captain, intelligence officer, all this stuff,
so he has, you know, a credible background. But he
was talking some wild stuff, man, like wild wild stuff,
and I'm like, man, that's one of the ones where
I'm like, well, even if two percent of what you're
saying is true or comes to fruition, Uh, it's a
wild world out there. And it's it's if if two
percent of what he predicted for this year comes to
to light, there's gonna be a what it's And we
know it's it's only March and it's already the wild
this year on record, Like you know what I mean,
Like every day it's just more and more bananas out there.
Speaker 4: It's it's very it's very insane. Like I I just
I want full like all the disclosure stuff, like just
let it all out. People can handle it. You know.
It's like now it's just a tease and everything's a
you know, a cover up and whatever. It's like, you know,
it's like come on, you know they just we know
it's there. Just admit it. Just admit it. You know
it's it's it's I want the uh, the all seeing
like the you know, dicemium glasses and you know, I
want to be able to you know, see past the
veil and why not? That was you know at this point.
Speaker 2: That's those glasses right that were like comes from like
World War two technology. There was like or something like
early Are you talking about the glasses where you can
see another dimension type of thing? Yes, yes, yeah, that
came from the the the background of that is like
I can't remember what you like, maybe it was Vietnam, dude,
it was something. Yeah, I think it was Vietnam era.
They were experimenting with night vision and and like soldiers
were like freaking out because they were seeing like demons
and like like other worldly creatures. They were looking into
another dimension. And then I think that's where the glasses
came from because it was like something with whatever the
makeup of that lenses that they were using in the night.
The night vision was like you were you were seeing
through the veil a little bit and it was a
it was a wild one. Oh yeah, Like I said,
that's the stuff I want to do content on, but
I can't right now because like I like, I don't.
I have to like research to get the hard receipts
and the you know, the classified documents on that stuff.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if there is any Oh yeah,
so I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's a no, no, I get it. I absolutely get
there's a lot of that that I try to. You know,
everybody's got to do their own research, right, you know,
to what they dial into, to what they believe in,
what they don't believe in. There's a lot of stuff
that's AI, and I've been kind of being able to
you could pick stuff out when it's AI because the
cadence and speaking sometimes is like a little off for
some reason, something that is mundane will be spelt wrong. Yeah,
for some reason, and it's like, oh, this is all
just a it's clickbait. It's all clickbait. It's a good story,
you know, I mean, you could pump in and have
AI do any type of story you want, and then
people think it's real. But everything is flooded, you know,
the Internet is flooded with that.
Speaker 3: It's wild. And you know, the scary thing is.
Speaker 2: Like the AI we have access to is, you know,
is getting exponentially better, like on a weekly basis, right
because I've been starting to follow it and there's updates
and upgrades and things that come out and programs that
come out, Like it isn't going to be long before
you know, you can make your own You can already
make your own avatar and have it say whatever you want,
right like, so like I can make a you know,
an AI version of you in your voice, with your mannerisms,
and it'll be pretty close, but it's still a little
bit off where you can kind of tell, you know,
But they're working on that, and I guarantee you within
the year it's going to be like almost flawless. But
that said, that's what we have access to. What powers
that be have access to is always ten years beyond
what we have, you know what I mean, ten twenty years.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know. I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what their message with you know
what I mean, or what they have access to.
Speaker 4: It's gonna it's gonna add a level of of of
like you know, privacy, you know, like settings to everything
just because of how you're gonna prove that you How
are you gonna prove it's you if it's online, you know,
like we need author like you know, any type of
authenticity and this and that, and it's like everything's gonna
have to be you know, watermarked somehow, you know, and
just you know, it's it's we're already in deep ship
with all the real ID and everything else.
Speaker 2: Uh dude, That's that's the series I'm on right now
for a dact that I started with. I started with
the school photos. I'm gonna get into the cars, and
then I'm getting into then I'm gonna get into the
just to set the stage, and then I'm getting into
the heavy heads with the digital ID and uh and
uh digital currency.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because that.
Speaker 2: If anybody body has any if you have any shred
of loving even the smallest semblance of privacy and freedom,
you have to one hundred and ten percent be concerned
right now about digital idea and digital currency because they're
going to sell it to you on the precipice of convenience, like,
look how.
Speaker 3: Convenient it is.
Speaker 2: You don't have to have this, just show this and
blah blah blah, and it's all connected. But ye, if
it gets tied into a social credit score, which let's
face reality, it probably will, maybe not in our life,
but your kid's life or your grandkid's life, and then
they can start using that to limit where you travel,
where you spend money, how much you can spend money on,
or just oh, you said something we don't like, so
we're just shutting your ass off. You can't spend you don't,
you don't, We just froze you out of the account.
And if you don't think it'll happen. They did that
in Canada with the truckers when the truckers protested and
just look at where and look where China is that
it's the you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah all the convoy. I remember watching that.
Speaker 3: And just and they just froze all their bank account.
Speaker 2: It's crazy and that's not a yeah, that's Canada man like,
which is like you know, like known for you know,
being you know sort of like us, you know what
I mean that they they have a little less codified freedoms,
you know, you know, you know, you know, we get
the First and second Amendment, what's left of them, but
you know, and and stuff like that. But you know
they're free, you know, Western society, you know what I mean,
And and they did it there, so like that does
you know, like you don't have to use obscure references
from crazy comedy countries like China like you can, which
you know is the path we're on, but under under
the guise of still having some kind of democracy and
freedom but whatever that you're getting into all the things.
But yeah, it's it's wild times. But people like do
your research. If you only research one or two things,
just start looking into those things. And support local businesses.
Spend cash, not credit, not debit, you know, take money
out of the bank if you gotta, you know what
I mean, and and use cash because cash cannot be
tracked the way debit credit digital currency can can be,
you know what I mean, And and uh, that's the way.
That's all you gotta do is like pull your money
out of the sketchy banks. Like if you're in any
of the big sketchy banks, pull your money out of there,
Go go to a go to a local credit union
or something that like actually supports your community and you
know isn't supporting you know, centralized banking systems and craziness
like that. You know, like just do your research on that.
It's your duty as a citizen to be informed. And
that's why the countries in the mess it is because
we have a distracted, dumbed down population. And I'm not
saying it's their fault because they're fed propaganda all day
from you know, whatever their news sources, whether it's New
York Times, MSNBC, CNN or.
Speaker 3: Fox or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like I'm you, I always have to put both out
there because if you if you criticize one, you automatic
we get labeled the other thing.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, either.
Speaker 2: I am outside of the two potty system, bro, Like
I am outside of it. I don't care to those
Both of those, both of those being wings are on
the same same bird left and right, They're on the
same same bird.
Speaker 4: Dude. You know, I like the I like how they
you know, it could be the same subject, but the
narrative that they push is completely opposite, like you know,
just on either end, which is wild. It's like how
I get a kick out of that. Like when something happens,
I'll research the other just to see what they're saying
is of it, and and it's it's comical. It really
just or you know where it's unfortunate because we've become
a country of convenience and once that convenience, you know,
and people are gonna, you know, they're gonna give everything
for that convenience because they don't want to struggle. And
it's you know, we're we're dumbing down because of it.
Things are being taken from us that we don't even know,
like anything that was you know, like not to get
too crunchy and weird, but like like uh, copper pipes,
everything's packs, you know, more plastic. You know, that's that's
hurting us. You know, there's no more. And then you know,
like linens.
Speaker 2: What they don't tell you and you want to get
into the copper pipe stuff is that copper is anti microbial.
You know what I mean. It cleans the water like
you know what I mean, it's it's gonna you know,
it's like a and you know, and then they wonder
why people they're looking at uh, when they would they
were doing tests on men and like how much microplastics
are found in people's balls, you know what I mean,
Like dude's balls, you know what I mean, because everything's plastic.
Now you and your microwaving food in a plastic container,
like bro, come on, man, fucking go get not only
get a cast on heat up in that, dude, you know,
it's sucking.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, plus it and it the how it rearranges
on a molecular level the food to where like it's
harder to digest and process, and it's like, I mean,
I'm still gonna eat it that way. You know. It's
like my leftovers are going right in the microwave because
of the convenience. Yeah, I don't always have.
Speaker 2: The time to so yeah, And that's the thing, man,
you know when I say stuff like this, No one's
one hundred percent perfect, But just stop getting more cognitive
cognizant of these things, because things are escalating quickly, and
the more they keep you distracted and fighting amongst each
other like oh you know you're you're you're a right
wing Republican or ooh.
Speaker 3: You're left wing lib TRD blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: It's like they it's like they're laughing up here while
we're fighting down here. It's oh yeah, it's get your
head in the game. It's it's definitely, because it's escalating fast,
you know what I mean, And more and more freedoms
and things that you take for grant that are eroding,
and like you said, everything's being sold on the guise
of convenience, and convenience is gonna enslave you in the end. Man,
Think about no one wants to think of it this way.
Think about how much of the year you're already a
slave to the government and people. You know, how do
you want to pay the amount of taxes you're paying
when you look at how many taxes you're playing, Like
how much you're paying in taxes, whether it's you know,
your your your your federal income tax, your state income tax,
you know, and then everything else that's a tax. That's
like you're literally a slave to the government. If if
you're paying, if you're on you know, if you're not,
if you're not outside of the grid or outside of
the system, you're literally a slave to the government a
third to half of the year, Like you're literally working
as a slave free.
Speaker 4: Lower definitely, and then definitely the crazy thing that it's
the like the it's the the forward work week, you know,
the whole forty hour where yeah, that's that's a scam too,
And it's a you know, if you don't work for yourself,
you don't set your own schedule to where you know,
it starts there, because if you can't, if you can't
control how much you put yourself in and then make
what you need to survive. Pretty much we're all in
survival mode from almost day one. It's it's a that's
not you know, keeping that stress, you know, on the body,
constantly wondering if we're gonna make the next month's worth
the bills. Yeah, you know, like oh, you know I
need this, need that. How much taxes are they taking?
Everything is tax on top of that, I don't understand
why gas just went up.
Speaker 2: Well, well there's there's a little other there's a little
dude that had stuff happening in the Middle East that
you know, but yeah, gas was by here. It was
two seventy nine one day and it was three twenty
nine the next. I was like, damn dude, Like I
was like, that's a little bit of a jump up.
Like you used to nickel and dimuds. At least go
up a dimond dime a week, like you you went
up right, you just shot right.
Speaker 4: Up, yep, saying that's sitting in the tank already. Yeah,
for just sitting at the gas station, not like they
had to buy, yeah and pay for that new Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's because everyone's yeah, everyone's everyone's getting there.
Speaker 2: That's what you know. So yeah, it's a wild thing.
One thing I wanted to talk about. We talked about
you talked to you mentioned disclosure earlier. And the funny
thing with that is like how that's escalated that one
week Obama's like, yeah, those aliens, we just they're just
not at Area fifty one. And then Trump saw that
that got a lot of attention, so he's like, oh, well,
you know, maybe I'm gonna tell Congress, we got to
release all ours, you know, disclose all our release all
our you know, alien files, get disclosure rolling. And ten
years ago, how exciting that would be, right, Like everyone
be like oh yeah, hell yeah dude. But and now
it's just like what the hell are they trying to
distract us from?
Speaker 4: Now? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Because because I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, that's any time there's something, yeah, it's like I
start looking, I'm like, all right, what do we what
are we not supposed to be looking at? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then and that's like with the Epstein files, It's like, Okay,
they released the Epstein files, but if you look at
what the those files are, Yeah, there's some emails that
actually content, the emails from Epstein to other people or
emails to him, that's what you need to be looking at,
not all the stuff that people reported. Like that's like
like there was a lot of like people just like ratting,
you know what I mean. So they're like, oh, well,
when I was here, I saw this or I think
this guy's blah blah blah, and that's technically in the files,
but they haven't released the real files yet, like the
real like the stuff they pulled out, you know what
I mean, of his of his of his safe and
of the houses, you know what I mean. Like they're
only just releasing the electronic you know, emails and stuff,
and there's a ton in there. I'm not saying that,
but I'm saying you have to be careful when you
go through that because a lot of it is just
like conjecture and people like you know, tips or whatever
you know, or or people like you know, whatever, so,
but but there's so much there that is like him
emailing people where they just saying the worst shit, like
you're like, god, damn dude. But I'm like, if they're
releasing this now, I'm like, what are they because there
are always something else going on. I'm like, if they're
releasing this to us, like what are we not seeing yet?
And i know there's a couple of years that have
not been released at all, like ninety nine to two
or something like that, there's like a big gap in it,
and so what was going on then? But there's there's
a lot of stuff like there's still if they are
there right now, they're in contempt a law, like like
there's this stuff is all it's supposed one hundred percent
be out.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: That's the other crazy thing right now is that accountability
is zero because we're not holding anybody accountable. We just
think like, oh, they just that's what they do, and
it's like, no, we're supposed to be and we're supposed
to be.
Speaker 4: Everybody's still walking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well the problem is like yeah, if if if, if
football is on and there's a cheeseburger that can still
be eating in your hands, like life is all right,
so no one, no one cares. It's like, don't like,
now's when we need to be like turning this shit around,
not when we hit rock bottom. But unfortunately, it's to
take you know, some depression era stuff to really shake
people out of there, oh, routines of comfort inconvenience, Like
we're soft, man, you know what I mean? Like you know,
like if you look at what life was like even
like fifty sixty, seventy years ago, and you see what
life is now, soft and which is good. But it
goes back to that whole outage, that whole adage of
hard try hard. Hard times create hard people. Hard people
create good times. Good times create soft people. Soft people
create hard times. Like we're we're in that vote, We're
in that stage, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So you know, I definitely in hard times. I try,
and it's getting hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna get and it's gonna get a lot
worse before it gets any better, unfortunately. But I try
and retain a little bit of optimism, like you know
what I mean, because it's funny because all the bullshit,
like when you when you go online and you see
all the fighting and stuff. But when you're out in
the street and you're like like like last night we
were at a show. Everyone's cool, everything's going, everything's fine.
It's just the news and you know, the media just
has every one in a constant cycle of fear and
distress because because it's a syop man that's there's no
other way to say it, like that's psychological operations to
keep you in that state so that you're not you know.
Speaker 3: You're you're you know, your.
Speaker 2: Nervous systems are like engaged, like you're you're not thinking,
like you're just reacting, and.
Speaker 3: It's wild. It's a fucking wild world.
Speaker 4: Agree, I absolutely agree. It's like there's a lot of
stuff that you know, it's like like you said, you know,
I can't I can't push it enough for people to
you know, do their own homework and just do their
own research, you know, like without going down the rabbit
hole to where it it stops your way of life. Yeah,
because you still have to you still have to thrive,
You still have to bills are not going anywhere, you know,
like you still got to eat, you still got to
take care of your kids, You still gotta you know,
you still have to function. You know, as much as
you know humanly possible. But you know, don't be a
shnook either, you know, it's you know, and and like minds.
You know. Also it's uh, you know, congregating with people
with similar values, you know, and even if they're not
on the same page of learning things that you know,
a school, you know, like if they're open to you know, knowledge,
you know, hey, that's you know, that's a love language
right there. You know. It's like, I want to learn
as much as possible, and I I try to never
stop learning just for that reason. Not only just to
push myself into a you know, into a more aware
person of uh, you know, my surroundings and what's happening
in country out of you know, abroad out of the country,
you know, like what's what are we what are we
not seeing? But also you know, just to be a
good human just so I can live my life better man,
because who wants to who wants to live in fear?
Like the whole fear mongering thing. Just definitely, you know,
I'll tell you what. The one thing that all of
this uproar and upheaval with with the way the government
is right now, it's gonna spawn so much great music,
and I hope so, you know, because it's you know,
like a whole you know, we need a full on
like punk revival for what you know, punk rock, what
we used to you know, not what you see now,
you know, you know, just it's you know, I mean,
some are getting it, but others it's it's not this.
It's a lifestyle. It's a way that you know, you
carry yourself. It's the extreme of anything, you know. So
you know, that's what hardcore is. It's supposed to be
the extreme of you know, whatever it is, and it's
it's not not there anymore. It's not there. Hopefully it
it puts people that into a position to where they're
not afraid, they're not afraid, and they're not afraid to
speak up.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah I share or I would like to share
your optimism on that. But everything we just lived through
from twenty twenty to twenty twenty five, I was like,
all right, man, people are gonna be on board and
fired up. And they were like get the jab. I
was like, what what Like, I'm like thrust punks. I'm like, dude,
you were you were cheerleading for Phiser right now, what
the hell are you doing, dude, Like, and I get it.
I get that people are trying to come from a
point of compassion, like, hey, let's do this for the
greater good. But I'm like, you're not looking deep. You're
not looking deep enough, dude, Like, do you think a
pharmaceutical company really has your health? You know, as it's
like highest intention, right, because if they if you're healthy
and you're pulled out of the healthcare system, you are
no longer a customer. They want repeat customers. And if
you think Pfizer and Moderna and all these people would
do this stuff out of any sort of benevolence, one
just look at the profit margins on everything, but two,
look at their history of lawsuits and past history of
just releasing stuff they know is dangerous because this is
their model. All right, we're developing this new drug and
we're gonna test it, and we're gonna have third party testing.
But they can choose who the third party tester is,
so we won't even talk about how corrupt that is, right,
But then we'll talk about they get it and they're like, oh,
well it's you know, there's already sketchy data. But here's
the thing they put say they put five billion into
developing the drug, and they spend two billion dollars on
researching it and getting it pushed through and whatever, and
then they spend three billion dollars on marketing it. So
we're at ten billion.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: They every drug they develop, they put money aside for
the lawsuits. So so they put ten ten billion into
developing a drug they sell, they make twenty billion dollars
in sales. Right, so they got ten billion in profit.
They got money to pay off people and still make money.
Oh yeah, it's insane. And that is the model. Like
you don't have to take my word for it, take
that little tidbit and stop googling or use fucking chat
GBT or whatever it is you got to do. But
look at that, because that is their model, tried and
true and tested. Like they build that into everything they
do and they know they've literally, I think with Spfizer
has got some of the biggest lawsuits in history that
were judged against them, Like so it was like it
wasn't like just brought up and dismissed or whatever, Like, no,
they got ruled against. Like you guys did this sketchy Yeah, shit,
they're not your friend.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying don't trust. And I'm not anti vaccine,
I'm not anti medication. I'm like this, when there's stuff
that you need, you need whatever, like you know what
I mean, But yeah, you gotta watch what you're putting them. Yeah,
oh sorry.
Speaker 4: They don't have the track record of they don't have
the track record of of you know, of being you know,
the efficacy of their products. You know, it's like, what
have they cured? And then and not only that, it's
it's what do they own ninety percent of the rennet
you know, in the in the country, So it's like
they control ninety percent of what cheese has made, so
no matter what, you know, they could put whatever they
want into stuff. And it's you know, and that's a fact.
That's why I look that one up. I definitely yeah,
I mean, but that's a that's a that's another rabbit hole.
That's that's the pet rabbit holes.
Speaker 2: We talked about four hundred things that lead to two
thousand rabbit holes. That's the other problem with everything. And
then when you stop trying to connect it all, you're like,
this is so massive and we are being assaulted on
so many fronts. Every second of the day. Oh yeah,
and so you like, but it goes back to what
you said, You've got to break yourself out of it.
You need to know it, because you need to know
what's going on. But you can't let it consume you
and take over your life. You have to get out there,
like because when you go outside, I mean right now,
it sucks. But like spring comes, flowers, smell good, like
pet your dog, like go go see your homies, like
go to a show.
Speaker 3: Everything's good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But understand that that can all go if you don't,
if you don't stand up for it, you know what
I mean. Because I feel like we're at a crossroads, man,
We're all at a crossroads where like people are gonna
have to stop stop getting.
Speaker 3: You don't have a choice.
Speaker 2: You don't have the luxury of being distracted and dumbed
down anymore, because if you if you are, then pretty
much you know, just kiss it all goodbye, you know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's a there's you know, there's
the like a uh, I'm concerned about going abroad like
once you know, like I uh, brick by Brick is
gonna be going over to Europe again in uh, at
the end of July and we're gonna be out there
for a couple of weeks. And I'm concerned about going
to the UK because you have to you know, you
have to oh you know, you have to look at
your social media and you gotta look at it. I'm like,
my search history is so wild. It's like and it's like, well,
I guess I live here.
Speaker 3: Now they're gonna, you know, you toast.
Speaker 2: You know, they're literally and you don't don't believe me
on it look it up. They're putting people in jail
for for for speaking out against things, so they're gonna
look up this podcast phone. They're gonna be like, now, dude,
you're going to jail. They look They're like, they're gonna
look at your search history.
Speaker 3: They're like, uh yeah, midget midget spaghetti wrestling. Uh. And
then also.
Speaker 2: You know, uh, I don't know if there's there's so
much going on there. I was trying to think of
some deep conspiracy stuff, but it's like I'm like, I'll
fired on every cylinder right now. But you know, Council
of Foreign Relations and then midget spaghetti wrestling and that's
what makes the world the beautiful.
Speaker 4: I really, I really, I'll tell you what not not
to get off task, but none with like the whole
you know, like like like Epstein Files and all that,
like you know, it's uh, I hope Epstein's Island. I hope,
I really hope they didn't. If you know, with all
the atrocities that they were doing, you know, do some
like Doctor Moreau type shit at least, you know, that
would be at least give it a drop of entertainment value,
you know, because I mean all we're seeing from that
is just the how awful the human condition is. And
just like with all the you know, the stuff they
human trafficking, the stuff they did to children and everything else,
and just like all their rituals and this and that,
like have you tried you know, are there any I'm
sure there's islands out there that are straight up Doctor
Moreau like they were just doing all kinds of cross
breeding and this and that, you know, But I wonder
if there was any of that.
Speaker 2: Well that's Zoro Ranch, bro. That's what was going on
at his New Mexico property. Like they haven't even talked
about that yet. They're only talking about the island property.
Like he had more dude, Like you know what I mean,
and there was that's where all the genetic stuff was.
I can't understand how this guy, one guy was involved
in so much wild shit like like who's got the time?
Like you know what I mean, Like you know that
like everything, dude, like every like he was he was
involved in crypto stuff, he was involved in all this
genetic stuff. He's involved in you know, like all these syops,
all this crazy stuff. Man, I'm like, how's one guy?
You know, obviously you know we'll never get to the
bottom of it all, but like it's just insanity, Like
how one guy just you know, rose into all this stuff.
And I mean there's a lot of people that do
like deep on that.
Speaker 4: And oh yeah yeah. And that's the one thing. It's
like you get, you know, you get a group of
people that want to be as nefarious as possible, and uh,
you know, like and that's what that that's what birthed that.
You know. It's like but then you can get a
group of people that want to do just as good
and they all get fucking murked. You know. It's like
they find a way, like you know, because the bad
guys want to make money off of that yep. And
once they can't, you lose your value.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, yeah no. And I mean if you look
into his start was he was a really good money
launderer and he he helped like he didn't go so
he was smart, right, Like his tactics were. He didn't
go after like governors and senators and congressmen directly. He
went He went at like the donor class. That's who
he was real with the people that bankroll all these
because if you if you got if you're like, if
you're doing the money laundering for the people that are
bankrolling Congress, you got them guys and Congress on your side,
you know what I mean, like under your thumb because
you're controlling that money, you know what I mean. Like
he was, he was like he was rolling with with
with what they call the donor class. And that's that's
how we got so massive and had such a big
realm of influence because he was the dude he was.
He was he was laundering the money for the people
that bankroll every insidious fucking thing that you that you
can think of, you know what I mean, Like oh yeah,
you know, but.
Speaker 4: I just want to know about alien shit. That's I mean,
that's what I that's what I've been on board for.
I want. I want aliens, demons, I see past the veil.
I'm just I don't want them to see me. That's
the word comes down to it. I don't want them
to see that I'm seeing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, that's the problem.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: You know you've heard, you've heard the old adage like,
be careful of what you look into because when you
look into it, it looks back at you. And I've
heard that from a few researchers that have been on
this show. So let me ask you this. Let's get
off all like the real you know upsetting, like you know,
material world conspiracy stuff that is, you know, stuff that's
happening to us on a daily basis. Let's talk about
alien ship for a little bit before we get into
punk and hardcore because you know, you know, we got
to talk about music stuff and you brought it up,
and I know you get a lot going on, But
what is your or do you have a thought? I
always I like to ask people that are into this
this question.
Speaker 3: Do you think.
Speaker 2: When people are experiencing aliens or talking about aliens or
people you know, researchers or experiencers or you know, abductees, whatever.
Do you think this is something that's extraterrestrial, extraterrestrial like
you know, life from other planets, or do you think
it's something more into dimensional like they're just you know,
from another dimension. Or do you think that it's something
like hidden Earth, like an old, older advanced civilization that's
hidden from us, like whether it's underwater or you know, or.
Speaker 3: Or in the Arctic somewhere.
Speaker 2: Or do you think it's one more or do you
think it's in the realm of the demonic where because
I've had people come on saying, like, you know, all
this stuff is you know, you think it's aliens, but
it's really part of the whole seed war going back
to the Nephelum and things like that, and and you
know this is all demons posing as this and then
which you know, you get into some things where you
look at Alistair Crowley when he was talking to whatever
that demon was and named Lamb, and it looks like
a gray alien.
Speaker 3: So it gets into all that.
Speaker 2: And then I had one guy on and his whole
thing was like, this is all one entity and it
poses as you know, it camouflages itself and presents itself
as whatever you it thinks you'll relate to. So it
can present as an alien or or it can present
as a demon, or it can present as you know, whatever,
a cartoon character, even if you for a kid or something.
But it is a parasitic entity that like has to
like live off our energy. Nathaniel Gillis's he's he's a
he's a real deep researcher, a good guy too, but
he has a you know, a real interesting take on
all that. And so, you know, given all that realm
and maybe there's something else I don't know about, but
like what's your take on this, Like what do you
you know, what's your gut feeling or oh, what do
you hope it is?
Speaker 4: You know, like you know it's I mean, I I
think I think every every avenue is plausible. Yeah, that's
the that's the problem is that there's it's you know,
there's outside of it. You know, the you know, the
location of certain places like Antarctica, you know, see stuff
you know, like we haven't discovered, you know, like the
majority of the planet you know, we haven't seen, you know,
and it's just and but we're also kept from seeing
a lot of it. It's uh, I keep getting ads
because I was doing uh, I was doing that some
of my own research on Antarctica. And now I'm getting
ads for like a six day cruise that will go there.
And I'm like fuck, and I'm like, you know, I
got the same thing. I got the same thing.
Speaker 2: If if I'm in a position where I can do that,
let's do it, dude, Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Let's go see the ice wall.
Speaker 4: I am one on board. It's that's the thing. You know.
It's like I as much as I mean all of
its pictures, you know, it's like how if you have
it's great to see if you view it like it's
a movie, Like it's not real, you know. And but
when you put the plausibility in your brain and you're like, uh,
like like pictures of the planet, where are all the satellites?
You know they just scrubbed? You know? How do they
know those are the colors? How do they know this?
How do they know that? You know? It's like there's
there's certain things of you know, like all these videos,
old videos, old pictures and things that's like, uh, you know,
I think they just put it. I mean a lot
of it was cold war stuff. I get it. You know,
it's like, hey, we're gonna you know, we're gonna lie,
We're gonna, you know, get all this stuff out just
to make it look like we've done it. That's one thing.
But the I think that there are things that we
are not supposed to see, you know, especially deep sea stuff.
Definitely Antarctica I've had, you know, it's just any type
of demonic things. I mean, there's definitely ah I I
you know, it's I definitely believe in a higher power,
and whether it's good bad, no matter what it's, I
can't be the judge of that because it's from my view,
it's you know, it's me looking up and any higher
power is going to be them looking down. You know.
That's just how it's. I'm never gonna have the full
scope of the visual of of what of what it is.
So I mean, I definitely I think it's I think
it's us from the future. I definitely, I definitely think
it could be. You know, it's ignorant to think that
we're the only planet that has any form of life
outside of just you know, single cell organisms or anything.
You know. I've I've had my own experiences one when
I was a kid, and another one, uh on my like,
I've seen UFOs, I've gotten pictures of stuff. I've you know,
I've had experiences where it's like, oh shit, you know,
what's what's this? You know, and just that I couldn't explain.
I believe it all. Yeah, I believe it all. I
definitely there's definitely things out there that surround us that
every once in a while, if the veil is thinned,
and I mean that's a you know, a lot of
people don't dive into that because they either don't want to,
because their life is dictated by a different path, different authorities.
You know. It's like, hey, you know what, I'm working class.
I don't have the time or the energy to worry
about things I can't control or think about, you know,
like mentally have reservation for those things. And I get that,
you know, but then you get jerks like me that
don't sleep and just you know and deep dive and
have all these you know, crazy thoughts, and it's like,
you know, they're coming up with all these things now,
and it's it's there's a lot of plausible actions to
where aliens, I mean, sky people. You know, almost every
you know indigenous uh you know, tribe or you know,
they've all had their they've all seen something and they
all have called them, you know around that type of
you know, every type of Indian, Inuit, you know, Aztec,
you know, it doesn't matter, you know, you know, Mayan, everybody,
you know, even though you know, I don't think they
built that stuff. I think they just incorporated. I think
it could have been. You know, I I think that
we are there's constantly resets and something catastrophic happens and
there's a reset and then there's another reset, and we
just find a lot of these things and we make
them our own. And it's like with you know, just
with U, what is it? There's I keep I keep
getting all these weird uh my algorithm. I'll get there's
UFOs that are built around because like crashed vessels that
are so big, they just stuff had to be built
around it. And it's like, who knows what technology reverse
engineering this that you know, it's of course there's stuff
you know to the jumps in technology will they can't
just dictate, you know, the the spark of intelligence. It
has to be something that is found and reversed or
something that was given and a lot of that and
anything that's given has no value. And that's a lot
of it too, is that you know, we haven't earned it.
A lot of the technology either, you know, we haven't
learned to respect it. So with with going back to
like aliens and just I think it's I think all
of the above. I think all of the above. It's
I you know, I I mean it's not like a
district you know, like to where it's like you know,
you get like what was that movie like you know,
like you get a big you know, like v you
know some I mean, I'm dating myself here, but that
was like one of my favorites like as a kid.
Just you know, like, oh, aliens are looking for help
and they need to you know, like need somewhere to live,
and like people are against it, people are for it.
You know, you could take that situation out of it
being an off planet alien and put it with an alien,
you know, people from another country. And we do that now,
you know, we are not kind to each other to
where why would anybody want to come here, you know,
if not to you know, for our resources, you know,
And that's a so I definitely, you know, I definitely
think you know, would would where else in the universe
do we know that has would only us? You know,
you can get you know, gold is an one that's
you know wood gold. You know, it's it's crazy, it's
crazy to think of of all the you know, the
any type of fossil fuel or you know, things that
are that we have here that we take for granted.
You know, it's definitely coming from the ocean. You know,
there's things that we're not supposed to see. There's things
we're not supposed to you know, like really be privy to,
you know, and people want to explore, you know, people
want to you know, if I want to go there,
you know, I want to go there. It's I want
to see the world, you know. And that's that's another
thing that music, which I'm really glad that I feel
very fortunate and blessed that I was able to do
as much traveling to see places that I had no
idea even existed, and you know, and a lot of
you know, all my ventures and you know, it's like
I get lost all the time. I've showed up to
shows late because you know, just kind of like I
need to see what this is. I need to see
what this is you know, it's like I need to
you know, bone churches and all kinds of crazy stuff
and everything, and a lot of these things were built,
but for what purpose? You know, It's it's a you know,
and it's hard to not think about it not coming
from some form of technologically advanced entity. So but I
think it's either definitely future us, you know, to where
it's you know, I mean, putting all the plastics in
our body is definitely we're going to have some children
of Men's style stuff happen, you know, coming just population
rates are down anyway, you know, we're we're pretty much
the average American is eating a credit card worth a
plastic a week, so you figure, and there's you know,
microplastics in rain water that goes into our aquifer, that
goes into anything, that goes into food, that goes into crops.
Speaker 3: It's hard to escape it all.
Speaker 4: It's wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it all ties into something else too. It's
hard to stay on task.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, it's wild.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: That's this is open, open, free form, long form conversation.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: And when I say this is this is me you
in the van, me and you in the van driving,
you know, like to the next gig, and this is
the dumb ship we'd be talking about in between.
Speaker 4: You know, this is exactly. This is exactly like I started.
It's funny because it's when we're in the van, like
I I almost wait now, you know, I sit there
and I watch and like there, you know, like Michael
be looking at me like, oh what am I going
to say? Now? Yeah, you know, we're kind of oh yeah,
oh yeah, I love it. I love it. It's it's
it's a it's yes, a lot of it is based
on fiction, but to think that it's not is even
more uh exciting and entertaining. But it's equally as terrifying
when it's not fiction anymore. Yeah, so, which is a
lot of a lot of our society.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, no, absolutely, And I agree, like it doesn't
you know, like I always when I when I talk
to a lot of these people that are like, well, no,
it's definitely not aliens, it's demons or this, And then
I'm like, why can't it be both? Because like it doesn't.
I'm not saying a specific case has to be both,
but like you know, there can be demons and aliens
and interdimensional beings and all this stuff all can coexist.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. And
guess what, nobody fucking knows, dude, nobody knows, Like right,
you won't know until you're dead, and maybe you don't
even know then, like maybe it's all a joke and
you just go into the deep sleep forever and nothing
else happens.
Speaker 3: You don't know.
Speaker 2: That's and that's the beauty of everything. So it's like,
if you don't know, you should try and get out
of your normal routines and live like oh yeah, like
you don't know, so like it might be awesome when
you die. It might just be the forever dirt n app.
So that's and I know, people, energy, energy, it's all energy.
We're we're energy people. Energy cannot be destroyed.
Speaker 3: It can't be distrust. But you don't you don't know.
Speaker 4: It just transcends into something else. Yeah, it just you know,
it becomes a whatever the life force is. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, but you're yeah, no, I agree, But
I've been you know, looking into that stuff more like
energy and frequency, Like frequency is huge, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4: And so that's that's the big one. Yeah, it's a
big one that I I de dive in, you know,
just specifically, like different bilateral tones, different frequencies are good
for different things, and just for for health, for wellness,
for you know, it's it's wild. You know, why why
do they remove bells from churches because they're you know,
that's a whole other ye you know, like the actual
old that's another one, that's a you know, if.
Speaker 3: They didn't remove them, they cracked them.
Speaker 2: They cracked them, you know what I mean, if they
haven't crack them because because guess what it's it's taking
the frequency away. But yeah, man, and all that stuff
is wild. And the world when you stop getting stuck
into the day to day meyer and the day to
day ship, they're just ramming down your throat like there's
still a lot of cool shit out there.
Speaker 3: And and that's the thing, like this is I'm not
this is my little crunchy moment.
Speaker 2: As depraved and shitty as people can be, there's also
the opposite of that, where people are fucking awesome, yep,
And there's a lot of there's a lot of cool ship.
There's a lot of beauty in the world, and you've
got to appreciate it. And I think sometimes you need
the shittiness to really to put it against to to
really you know what I mean, to really appreciate the
good ship, you know what I mean, Like you know
what I mean, Like you need to reflect it off
the bad.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of places that, like, you know, everybody
has their spot that they like to go to their
downtime because it's either it's fulfilling and relaxing and enriching,
you know, like their own souls, like just the environmental change,
you know, going somewhere else. And I see, I go
to Puerto Rico as often as I can. You know,
it's like to where it's like it's a must be
nice moment for a lot of people. And I'm like,
work your ass off, save your money. You can do it. It's
not expensive. It's part of America. I'm tired of people
telling me do I need my passport and all this stuff,
But there are places there that fully give me hope
and humanity all the time. Yeah, And I just you know,
I'm a simple person. I'll just sit for hours, smoke
cigar and just watch just watch how the all the
older people interact and how just their communities and their culture,
how they you know, how just it's not like the
well hasn't been fully poisoned yet, you know. And it's
like and there's so many genuine I mean, there's genuine
people everywhere. It's difficult to find in you know, most
you know, like metropolis areas, you know, because people are sullied,
you know, like they're they're you know, it's it's like, oh,
I have to get them before they get.
Speaker 2: Me mindset, because they're in a fear cycle and a
scarcity mindset because they just think like they're trying to
get over on me. I got to get before I
got got, you know what I mean. And and and
you know that's the grind, you know.
Speaker 4: And and giving. It's like you know, being you know,
having charity, being benevolent and just you know, doing something good.
You know it could change the course of somebody's life completely.
You never know, you never know, like you know that
whole adage where it's like, you know, you be kind,
you never know what battles you know the person's having
or whatever. And and that's you know, that's a that
is a real, a real thing. You know. It's like
you have to tackle every day with a you know,
with with a smile, and with you know, hey, you
know what, I'm blessed for just waking up, having a roof,
being able to walk. Mean, there's so many things that
we take for granted, and I do you know, I
I definitely believe that there's a lot of a lot
of good in this world that to where it's not
on the on the edge of of destruction, to where
evil can fully win yet. Yeah, so and I do
you know good and evil? I know that's a that's
a slippery slope on those terms.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also just energy and frequency, right, like negative
you know, low frequency or high frequency like low vibe
a high vibes ys like you can look at it whatever,
framem it however you want. There is a duality out here,
and you know, like you know, one of them is
more beneficial than the other, you know, you know, and
so but yeah, man, well.
Speaker 3: That was that was definitely and that was that was
that was a.
Speaker 2: You know, this A lot of this tied into like
so I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag here.
Me and my friend Mark, who is the singer, well
he was, he he was. He's in a band called
let Us Pray, but he he he, he was the
singer of Metal Church as well, and and then just
that just went awry and he talked about it on
the podcast and then you know, god, well.
Speaker 3: But uh no, did I say the wrong band? I'm hungover.
Speaker 2: But anyway, but Mark and I we're going to do
a new podcast, like a side podcast kind of how
I have like the m fours with me and Packer
and Joe Hawcken and Mark roun Seen and we just
get drunk and talk talk shit.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I don't have a name for it yet, but it's
gonna be basically a music meets conspiracy podcast, so I'll
have you on it, right. It's gonna be me and
Mark host it, and then we're gonna have like other
guests like that, and we'll have a theme.
Speaker 4: You know, why know why I will come out to
Free Town and I will I will definitely definite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, next time you're around, you should come out. Anyway.
Speaker 2: We'll go to Bridgewater trying. I'll bring you to some
of the weird spots. But but we might do it
remote too, because Mark's all over the place. But we're
gonna do It's just gonna be like I don't know,
I don't know how to explain it, but but we'll
have different people because there's a lot of people that
I think, so the music we're all involved with, whether
it's punk or hardcore or metal whatever, Like no one
got here because we were like well adjusted members of
regular as society, right, so we already think a little
different and and then you know, also given the chance
to travel a lot like that, that brought into your
perspectives and opens up to a lot of things, and
and you know, just sort of so like I think
we all have a kind of unique perspective on things,
and there's a lot of people that are of the
same mindset or have the same interest So, you know,
I know why know's gonna come on. I talked to
Jesse from Killswitch Engage like he's gonna come on because
it's I think it'll be interesting. But I also think
a lot of these guys are in bands that have
like such a reach of fan base like you and
like everybody, that it could help open other people fans
minds because people are gonna listen because I go I
love kill Switch, or I love Fucking the Obsessed, or
I love Metal Church or I love Full Blown Chaos,
or brick by brick, and uh, you know, I think
we have a way to reach people in a way
that isn't preachy or endearing or like where it's just like, hey,
this is you know what we're just thinking about, or
we have a lot of perspectives and I think that
resonates with a lot of people or at least gets
people open in a way like they're not being dictated
to or you know, or it's not propaganda.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: So I think, like, I think it would be a
cool thing, man, And it could could Like you said,
you don't know the little bit of benevolence, like you know,
we don't know like what kind of ripple this has,
right like and I'm not saying this is a big benevolence,
but having these talks, and I think with people that
have a little bit of a reach like in our worlds,
you know, could could could uh you know, help some people,
you know, shake the dust off the you know, shakes
shake some of the programming off, you know what I
mean kind of a see what's going on? So that's
coming up and I'll let you know, it'll it'll be
a a roundtable type thing. I'm gonna not I'm gonna
have to like stay sober for these, like you know
what I mean, because you know, I want get down,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like the other ones.
Speaker 2: The M fours Roundtable is just fun, you know what
I mean? So but yeah, that that the M four
is a credibility records for us. It was just like
it was fucking jerk offs you but yeah, but I
love it, you know what I mean. But and everyone
loves those, so it's it's fun. You got you can't
be serious, and you know you got to still have
fun in life, right and so like, well mix it up,
but yeah, I'll let you know what.
Speaker 4: And uh awesome.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so let's let's talk music, man, Like you've
you're a veteran of like the hardcore metal scenes and
stuff like like tell people you know people who don't
you know, people who are fans but don't know you, like,
how did you even find your way into all this?
And like what got you into you know? What got
you into this? You know this these subcultures and how
did that emerge?
Speaker 4: You know? I I started I've always loved music, was
always surrounded by music. My mom used to take me.
So I grew up in Brighton Beach Cony Allen area,
and my mom's cousin, my second cousin is uh well
was he just recently passed Neil Sadaka. So he did.
He was in the Tolkiens. He did all these like
you know, Calendar Girl, happy Birthday, sweet sixteen, all these
all these songs, laughter and the rain, all this stuff.
And when he would play yeah, oh yeah yeah, and
when he would play the Luna Park Band show. So,
and they normally do like free shows there. I don't
even know if it's still there because that whole area
has been super gentrified, but we'd go and watch and
I always loved seeing him perform, you know, like they
would they'd always have shows there and it was always
free stuff. So we'd go walk down the boardwalk and
just you know, beat by the ocean, you're watching a
show and everything else, and you know, it was always
a great vibe and I always wanted to do it.
I had a music teacher who I was like, you know,
I want to do something. I want to sing, I
want to do something the music. And this teacher she
she told my mom that I couldn't hold a note
if it had a handle, and ever since then. I
was like, I was like, well, I was like, you know,
fuck you, I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna change it up.
But you know, just kept doing music through, you know,
through the years in school, you know, tried to. I
did orchestra for almost ten years. I you know, just
literally violin, viola cello and did did a lot of singing,
a lot of chorus. After that, it was just you know, hey,
I want bands. I want to do bands. I want
to do music. And cutting out of school, which is
you know, I mean, I don't know anybody that was
so goody goodye that couldn't do it. I used to
cut out of school. I went to Lincoln So in
Conee Island. We'd hop on the train, go out to
the city and just walk around, you know, like we knew.
It really wasn't a big like truancy police thing at
that time. Yeah, even though I mean it was for
a while, you know. I mean, but I'm fifty now,
so it's like, you know, things are definitely schools.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different world now, a different game. Yeah
school oh yeah.
Speaker 4: So but but you know, and I remember walking past
this one place and the sounds coming out of there.
I was like, what the fuck is this and and
it was CBGB's and there were people sound checking in there.
I remember walking in and I was like whoa. I
was like, this is what I want to do. Yeah,
And it was just that moment and it was and
then I started, you know, trying to find shows stuff
that would let me in, even though like you know,
like they wouldn't ask me for an ID or or anything.
I wasn't quite eighteen yet. I always had facial hair,
so I definitely was able to get into certain places
like Bond Street Cafe, Wetlands you know, would let me in.
You know, that's a whole other you know, dynamic because
I had a couple of tattoo artist friends that played
in a bunch of punk bands that they all knew Roger.
Roger was doing Disasters at the time. He was doing
Lady Luck at the time, and you know, and his
wife at the time was bartending you know at Wetlands.
So no matter what, we always got in. So even
as even being young, you know, younger, and we'd get hosed,
you know, we drank and just party. But I'd look
for the venues that where I knew I wasn't gonna
get id'd, you know. Lamore did an id usually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean New York though a lot of it
was it was a different in Boston to back then.
It was like it was like there was way more.
It was way freer, for for better or for worse, right,
like the good and bad parts. Yeah, because it's like
anything with freedom is it's a double edged sword, right,
because it comes with a certain amount of accountability and responsibility.
But but like, yeah, it was like you didn't like
things weren't so uptight.
Speaker 3: You know, it was wild, you know, it was things
was wild.
Speaker 4: You know, it was awesome. As long as you had
that stamp or that wristband, it didn't matter. Yeah, you know,
it was like just go in do whatever, you know,
like the Ritz roseland Crazy Country Club. You know, like
all these spots were just awesome. You know. They all
had their own their own regulars, their own energy. You know.
I think the first show I saw at CBS was
a helmet, you know, and like just the Limelight Limelight,
I saw a white zombie there, you know, like before
they were white Zombie, you know, like Forever Ago and
just tramps you know, used to do all kinds of
crazy shows. There was a Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn. Fort
Hamilton High School used to do shows all the time.
Battle of the Bands, you know and like Candeeria, Indecision, Purge, Backslap,
all these you know, all these great bands that you know,
shut Down he used to play all the time. You know,
there's a bunch of spots out and in Staten Island.
You know, you were you were a bus or a
train away and and at the time, you know, like
that's you know, the whole latch key you know kind
of kid thing. It's like, hey, I'm gonna hop on
a train and just go what's the worst that's gonna happen?
You know. I was a you know, I was a
husky kid. I'm a husky adult. You know. It's like, hey,
you know they're gonna have to worry about feeding me.
I don't got to worry about getting kidnapped. So it was,
you know, and so it was it was one of
those things. It was like all right, you know, but
I started by doing that and then just wanting to
be in bands and wanting to play. And first show
I ever played was was at CBGB's, you know, with
a super old old band. It was terrible, you know,
And and that was it and just meeting people. You
gotta name it, you well, it was force Fed, was
the name of the band. So it was. But that
was one of God, there's so many bands, so many
just things. And and the thing is with that band
is that, you know, I did a lot with that
band too, even though like we didn't have a label
or anything like that. You know, I got to travel.
I got to do ah, you know, which is crazy,
like like Jack Koshak he does Milwaukee Metalfest he used
to do back in the day. You know. I played
there with Forest Fed in the nineties. Ye you know,
I went down to Texas they had November to Desmember
in ninety nine, played down there with that band, and uh,
you know I met that's where I met, uh you know,
and I was coming up to Albany for shows, but
that's where I met all the dudes in Skinless. You know,
I met everybody, like the guys that were playing it
in Flames then you know, anal Kunts and fucking we
all shared the same hotel and it was fun. It
was fucking like it was bizarre and I'm you know,
a lot of those people I'm still friends with almost
thirty years later. So it's it's crazy, but that that's
through music. Music, you know, it's like the uh you know,
it just binds everything together.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: But it's one of those you know, just going on
and and going to all these places and I'm like, well,
this is what I want to do, and then just
doing other bands. You know. I had a Frankie so Uh,
my old drummer, h Frank Godla he does metal injection
is his you know, so he's in They're huge, you know,
like as far as for you know, like pretty much
being a platform for music and for heavy music and
everything nowadays. And you know, he's still a great musician.
You know, he was. He was great from the from
the goat, you know, and just you know, and then
jumping into other projects and doing things and you know,
and then finding So I had another band that UH
was based out of h It was Brooklyn and Queens.
It was like we used to we all used to
rehearse in this one space and UH in Rockaway and
Sworn Enemy used to rehearse their UH Sworn Enemy eg
H used to work you know, all these band. My
band was a thirty six Deadly Fists. So we had
two singers and full Blown shared uh studio. So one
day the band didn't want to keep moving. Full Blown
wanted to, but their singer didn't want to do stuff.
And I was like, hey, let's crazy, see what we
can do. And we switched.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so.
Speaker 4: And we switched. And it's like, you know, I'm not
the original singer for Full Blown, but it's like we
all had the same we all had the same values,
we all liked the same you know. I wasn't a
punk rock kid, but I loved metal y you know.
It's like, you know, when I was a kid, it
was it was all you know. I loved free style,
you know, just because of you know, in the area,
that was the thing, old school hip hop, freestyle and
Judas Priest and that was the you know, and like
I loved the Priest. I was fuck yes it is,
you know, and it was all over you know, it
was all over the radio too, you know, like I
you know, play and record, you know, and just get
the cassette tapes. Not even at Maxwell's. You know, you
show somebody at cassette tape. These days, they're like all
these are those new things that people are coming out
with now and they're like, no, those are so retro
it's ridiculous. You know, it's it's but you know it
was definitely I mean that was pretty much like the
origin story of like, you know, I always wanted to
do music and when they said that I couldn't, and
you know, I'm like, oh, you know, he can't sing
and this and that. There's people who still think I
can't sing. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like I but it's brought you around first. It's
brought you around the world. Man, it's brought you around
the world.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I like it's funny because you know, I have a
lot of people on that I'm friends with that I
know what it's like. I like to ask questions like that,
like I learned stuff about my friends, you know when
I have this podcast, which is one of the best
fringe benefits of it. But I love that everybody's had
that moment. Like you you stumbled into CBGB's just walking
around the city. But as soon as you heard that,
you were like, because I said the same thing, what
is this?
Speaker 3: This is? This is it? This is for me?
Speaker 2: Like I heard suicidal on the college radio station, the
local college radio station and black flag and stuff, and
I'm like, what is this? But it resonates and hits
and it just it's a defining moment in your life.
There was like life before I heard this, and oh yeah,
I just went on a whole new trajectory of life,
Like I just just switched and like on this post,
I am on this path now, like like for people
that it's like really you know, like we're still here,
like how many decades later, like like and there's a
lot of people. I went to a bane show last
night and I saw people I haven't seen in thirty years,
you know what I mean, Like and it's like wild
and it's like still Like That's what I love about
this type of music is that it it's more it's
it's corny to say, but it's more than music because
it was we were drawn to it for whatever reason,
you know what I mean. But like it it like
is like an all consuming thing. Like even when we
like try and reject it or whatever, it's like it's
still there.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And uh, oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I love it man, because and that's what it's like
a tie that binds, you know what I mean, and
it's just like and you know, it altered the course
of all our lives. But I think, you know, sometimes
it's a hard road, but I think for the better
man because I see people that are my age, like
I like with Peter Pan, motherfuckers dude, Like you know
what I mean. I see like you're fifty. I just
turned fifty four, dude. And I see people that I'm like,
what like like you know, or I look at it
like this way, like Carol what's his name?
Speaker 3: Carol? Whatever is that?
Speaker 2: Evens the dude that played Archie Bunker Carol. Yeah, that
dude was younger than us. You look like an old
grandpa dude, Like you know what I mean, like like
you know, you know, just whatever, you know what I mean.
So I think this music in life keeps us younger,
you know what I mean, and uh, you know, more
more vibrant about things.
Speaker 3: But no, but I long story to tell.
Speaker 2: It's like everyone has that moment where it's just like
it hits and you're like, what the fuck is this?
But I know this is from me and it's just
and then it is and then that's that's how it
goes in it. And I love that because it's like
very I don't know, I feel like that happens very
rarely in life and like doesn't happen to everyone.
Speaker 3: So it's like one of those things.
Speaker 2: You have to like hold like like cherish, you know
what I mean, because it's it's fucking cool.
Speaker 4: It's I feel they're really there's stuff to where I
feel incredibly fortunate that I came across that path. Yeah,
because I mean, anybody could do anything, but not everybody
goes the root of musician. And I mean it gets
you know, it gets shipped on a lot because like
you know, I mean, social media has ruined everything. But
it's like they're like, oh, you know, oh what do
you do? You know this and that, Oh I'm you know,
like I'm a doctor. Oh I'm a lawyer. Oh I'm
a DJ. You know, and they they make fun of it.
But you look at like Steve Aoki, you look at
all these you know, like Rob g you look at
all these you know, all these people they're playing for
millions of people. It's like, hey, you know what, it's
it's the same. It's the aspect. You know they've made it,
you know, did they start that way? No? You know,
I still play shows to three people. You know. It's
like I've done the big big, I've done the little
little Yeah, and I love I love both dynamics. It's
a you know, and a lot of people get get
Jade and there's a lot of musicians.
Speaker 2: I mean it could be showed a show, dude, Like
you could play one show one night through thirty people,
and the next night you're playing the same band. Just
the next night, now you're in front of nine hundred,
and then the two days later you're in front of
the three thousands, and then then you're back in front
of twenty four.
Speaker 3: Like it's wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. It's finding that humble zone yep,
you know, with with music because it's you never know,
you know, you never know, and you never know who
your music is touching, who it's helping. I'll tell you what.
Like stuff that I've written in the past has been
the best therapy for me, Like as of recent just
going back to older albums and listening to stuff I wrote,
it's like I read like hit messages in there that
helped me. Now, Yeah, it's fucking it's wild. It's wild too,
And I wonder if other musicians have that kind of
you know, have that weird you know, you know, weird
cyclical serendipity, you know, to like to you know, older
projects and older things that they've that they've created, you know,
I know, you know, and there's a lot of a
lot of musicians that do these huge things that are
still that are super hump Jesse kill Switch, you know,
he's probably he is one of my favorite people on
the planet, definitely, you know, he just he's there for
the hand. You know, it's like if he wasn't playing
the show, he's still at the show. It's like he's
still there hanging out, you know, which is cool. You know,
doesn't turn people away, you know, doesn't and that's what
you know, a lot of that's what a lot of
people should be doing more of in my opinion. You know,
definitely one of those type of people. But it's it's
you know, and he's another one of those guys that
you know, there was a thing, you know, like a
light switch, because you go on, once you hit that
that that that change, it's like you start deep diving.
It's like, what's this agnostic front, what's this bad brains,
what's this sick of it all? I'm like, Oh, what's this, judge,
Oh what's this? What's this? War zone? This that you know?
Speaker 2: And and you're reading your back records that you're reading
the thanks list to find other bands because you know
there was no Internet and stuff back then, so you're like,
all right, who else? Oh what shirt is he wearing?
All right, I gotta look for that band, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3: That was?
Speaker 2: That was I think, you know, us growing up in
pre internet, pre social media times, you know, made things horder.
It definitely made things more of an adventure, just like
trying to get to a show like in another state
or another city. It's like there was no no GPS
on your hand, you know, like you had to write
shit down or whatever. But I feel like we we
lived through like the best of times because we have
an appreciation. You said something earlier, Anything given isn't anything
given isn't you know, appreciated as much as something that
it was earned, right, and like we had to earn it,
like you had to like be in it, like like
you know, to know what the fuck was going on,
Like you couldn't just observe from home because because there
wasn't four people, forty people recording the same show and
live streaming it so you could just stay at home
and see every show in the world right now. Oh yeah,
but you know you had to find it and seek
it out. But I feel like, but now that we
have all these conveniences, like we can use them in
a way that's responsible because we knew what it was
like to not have that stuff. Like I like being
I like having you know, both worlds, like you know
what I mean, Like I like the conveniences of a
lot of this stuff, like you know what I mean, Like, Yeah,
it's wicked awesome to have my GPS so I can like, Oh,
my friends are in Aubany, Like where are they?
Speaker 4: All? Right?
Speaker 3: Empire?
Speaker 2: All right, let me just type in Empire because otherwise
I wouldn't know how to get the fucking empire.
Speaker 3: Like until I did it a couple of times, you know,
or whatever.
Speaker 4: But you don't have map quests, yeah, map quests. And
I remember having a binder, you know, on tours. Yeah,
just doing that. And you know, I was a certified
you know, every musician twenty years ago, you know, and
then some was a certified truck driver with any type
of fucking with any map. Yeah, you know, like truckstop
map you could find wherever you needed to go, yep.
And it was awesome, you know, just just going to shows,
not even like touring or going to play. You know,
it's like there's you know, you find a venue you like,
all right, I want to see what other I want
to see other shows there, you know. It used to
go down to Philly all the time, used to go
down to Virginia to see shows go you know, we
we'd go out to Connecticut, go out to Boston just
you know, I used to take the train and hope
that I make the last one out just to go
to q E two up here and all. But you know,
just to see you know, Crany Abuse and all these
different bands, you know, Stigmata and everything. So it's you
never know, you know, you never know what you're gonna find,
you know, and it gave you those opportunities, you know.
And then all everybody videotape back then too, which was awesome.
I know, there's there's a lot of old full blown
footage that's just in that that Sony night Vision green
you know, just from it's you know, wild wild stuff.
You know. We used to play. There was a club
in Brooklyn called what was it? It was, Oh my god,
I'm I'm planking out on it. Well, either way, it
was the temple, so it was a synega, was the
basement of a synagogue. It was called a temple. And
the most violent shows what happened there. And it was
just violent, bloody, you know, crazy shows, and it's like, well,
you know, sacrificial, I guess, you know, for the music,
and it's just you never know, it's wild, wild places
and that you know, in a lot of these bigger
venues now they are a little they're safe spaces, but
that was half of the the love for a lot
of the older places, a lot of the smaller ones.
You didn't know what was going to happen. Yeah, you know,
like what did I see? I saw there was at
Cony Allen High. I went on my birthday, I don't know,
sometime in ninety in the late nineties, and it was
it was Candia and sugar and I think Indecision opened
that or one. However, it was flip flopped and it
was insane. I was bloody. I ended up under a barstool,
like how did I get here? You know, it just
it was why wild you know, the dudes, like the
dudes of the Sugar, their hair were stuck in the
ceiling times, they doing circle whips and all kinds of
crazy shit. So it's, you know, the great memories of
all kinds of now stadiums.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it's funny to see in decision in
my sugar, like, okay, like that. That's the other thing
I used to like about shows back then. They were
like mixed bags, like you know, you know, it was
just like, you know, it was always.
Speaker 4: Like that's how you could do it, and that's how
you learn other you know, a lot of these the
mixed bills. I love the mixed bills. It's like, hey,
bring it. I know I can find something that I
don't know or something that I'm like or you know,
there was I think one of the best mixed bills
I got to see. It was that a It was
at a wrestling center, Yes, and it was it was
Candeia and and Merciful Fate so and it was like
it was awesome. It was so awesome. Yeah, it just
you never know, you never know what you're gonna find. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: You got full blown chaos and you got Brick by
Brick that they're both active.
Speaker 3: Like what's it like juggling to two bands?
Speaker 4: It's it's not as difficult as it used to be.
You know, like full Blown never we never did the whole,
like you know, oh, we're gonna call it quits, so
to to bank on the whole, you know, oh we're
doing a reunion. You know, like people just sit there
and they say they're like, oh, there's still a band.
They're still around, and you know, we still play a
couple of times when we can still go to Europe
whenever we have the opportunity. You know, we don't have
the you know, the the draw, the pull. But you know,
there was a whole era of like beatdown bands that
you know, like a lot of people focus on you know,
they focus on the you know, on like Shatter Realm,
or they focus on you know some other bands you know,
like Just you know that had this style. But there's
all these other bands that, like like Full Blown that
kind of curated a more aggressive you know, like it
was just it was on point, like that Red Line
from Jersey, you know, that whole New Jersey bloodline. You know,
like it's all different Mazura from Virginia. They were tough
as nails. You know. It was just a lot of
good music, and you know, like people kind of pigeon
hole and then focus on one. It's like, man, there's
there's other music out there. You know. People don't do
their homework. That's the thing. It's like, you know, they
don't look for Hey, what other bands with the same
genres that could do this or do that? But juggling both.
It's so truth be told. When when Brick by Brick,
when Mike approached me, you know, Mike and I were
already thicke as thieves. Then you know, it's like we
I would I would try to start my shows if
I couldn't. So there was this one venue at the
preface here, one venue in in Wheeling, West Virginia called
Yesterday's and that place was my Vegas. So it was
it was literally you know, the wild West there. I
like to start shows there and end shows on a
tour just because I knew we were getting paid, I
knew we were getting drunk. I knew we were getting
taken care of. And my buddy who owned the place,
had a dozen other bars, he had strip clubs, He
had Steak and Wheeling Island Casino, you know, so it
was always it was always an adventure. But then you know,
but I knew also coming up here with Mike, I
knew we were always going to have a good time.
So I would either start in Albany and finish in Wheeling,
or you know, I would try to do it either way,
you know, just say hey, you know when you get
to hang out, boom, we hang out, we do this,
do that, we end up at the strip club bombed.
You know. It just it's always an adventure, and that's
why I always wanted just it. I wanted to be lucrative,
and I wanted to have it be a good time
for the band, you know, and for kids to act
enjoy themselves. Now juggling both when Brick by Brick had
let their other singer go, you know, I had told
Mike years previous, I'm like, hey, if you ever need
somebody to fill in, I was like, I got you,
just let me know. And he hit me up and
he's like, hey, you want to fill in for this
Canadian man balt Or you know, it's a few days
this and that that. I was like, sure, why not?
And did one rehearsal kind of barked my way through it.
Didn't know any of the songs still, and it was
just like, ah, whatever showed up. We did the shows
and it was just I don't know how I got
through them. I definitely was an asshole the entire fucking time.
You know, we're in Canada. We're like, yeah, let's you
know whatever, let's have fun. And then on the way back,
he's like, so when do you join it? And I
was like what, he goes, these were the best shows.
I was like fuck, And I was like, well, you
know what. Full Blown was on a not a We
were on a hiatus, and I was like, I got
I got it. Got to keep my chops going.
Speaker 2: I was like, I got to keep it right. Like
as vocalists, we can't. It's like, what are you gonna do.
You can't go like just I guess you could, but
I don't like just go yell in a room like this.
It's not like you can't just practice like on a
guitar or bass or drums and you just you can
sit home and do it. You got to be in
a band really to do it, or otherwise you're driving
around listening to the your stereo in your car and
you're screaming and screaming the car, screaming in the car
or screaming.
Speaker 4: In the shower. Yeah, it's it's a different you know,
and it's a different environment. Yeah completely, So just you know,
and and the thing is with Brick by Brick and
Full Blown, it's it might sound similar, but different set
of muscles, different vocal styles. Even though for you know,
when I first joined Brick by Brick it was always
it was like, oh that sounds like right from Full
Blown and Brick by Brick, And now it's kind of
encapsulated the band sound. You know. It doesn't help that
you know, Jeff, my drummer from Full Blown, is in
Brick by Brick now also, so it's like, you know,
it's and we have a weird you know sync up also,
so it's like, you know, I follow him for everything.
When Jamison was pla.
Speaker 3: Just just just you know, just do Brick by Chaos.
Speaker 4: That's you know what we there's a you know, we
we've we've entertained it. It's like we've done we've done
a couple of shows where it's like, eh, let's uh,
you know, do double duty and I'm like, oh, I
don't want to do double duty. It's it sucks. It sucks,
but it's and that's the thing too. It's like you know,
if you're you know, if you rehearse enough, and like
I definitely like we had a couple of rehearsals last week.
We've got a rehearsal this week coming because we have
our our you know, it's it's not a release show.
Normally we have a big event with Brick by Brick,
but we do something real big once a year. This
was like the Friday thirteenth party. We're like, let's just
do something for fun. But you know, and I was like,
so but getting but getting I'll touch on that f
But vocally for both, it's the writing is different, the
vocal is similar but not the same, and it's it's
hard to juggle. It's, you know, I want to do
more with Full Blown. Like I'm I'm dragging my feet.
We have a ton of new music I need to
record and we're gonna push out ourselves, you know, just
put it on for streaming. You know. It's like people
that do music now, you're not making money off it. No,
it's you know, you make money off of merchandise, maybe
the show. You know, if you're going into it for
the money, don't that's you know, that's a that's an
eighties mentality where you had the you had your you know,
your agents, you had your you know this that you
had your manager. Everybody was on the bus. People don't realize,
you know, it's like, hey, you know, it's a it's
a it's a record loan, not a record deal. You know,
it's like you have to pay that money back. So
it's like you do it yourself at least, you know,
you're the ones that aren't that take the liability on
a lot of it. And it's uh, it's it's difficult
to juggle both. You know. I got to go through
dates where it's like, oh, you know, I know I
have this in April, this in June, you know, stuff
in July Europe, and I'm like, shit, I wanted to
do Europe with Full Blown because of festival season and whatnot,
so I might have to juggle stuff around for availability.
And now having Jeff in the band, that makes it
a little more trying just to make sure that he
has it available because he's in three bands. Okay, so
maybe even more so he's got concrete ties.
Speaker 2: There's just not a lot of drummers out there. So
every drummer from multiple bands because because because because everyone,
every band needs a drummer, and this is just not
a lot of that's a big responsibility.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're a When you're a good musician, it's
like and not only just you know, it's you get pulled,
you know, it's like you get hired. He fills in
for sworn enemy from time to time, you know, and
it's it takes a you know, and drummers have that
acuity too, to where it's like they can listen to it,
pick it up. You know, it's like, hey, put their
flair on it. That's how you know it's a good Uh,
it's good to be a drummer, like like Corey. You
know Corey.
Speaker 3: Corey's in like eighteen bands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you put it, you put him in anywhere.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It drives, you know, it's it's it's wild, you know,
and he's he is one of my all time favorite
musicians period just because of of that, you know, of
that continuity that he has, that he's just able to
the talents. You know that he was born with It's funny.
Speaker 2: You say that too, like how drummers just just pick
it up. Because like when I was at the first
Murphy's Law show that Walter played drums for, and they
hadn't even practiced altogether yet, and I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like he's like, no, I know.
Speaker 2: And literally it's one of the best sounding Murphy's Law
shows I've seen, you know what I mean, Like, ause
Walter's just a fucking amazing drummer, right, so it's like
oh yeah, and you know, and and and uh, he
just brought his his style to Murphy's Law and it
just worked, and it works.
Speaker 3: So he's still playing drums with them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was like it was just like man,
what like that's confidence, Like you've never even practiced altogether
and you're doing a show like your first practice is
actually at a live venue with like with a significant
number of people.
Speaker 3: There, right, you know, but yeah, they get it that
they can do it. They can do it.
Speaker 4: It's it's awesome to be able to jump in yeah,
and just like yeah, I got it. You know.
Speaker 2: It's and then just like the trust of like yeah
he's got it, be fine, you know, do you what's
you know? Like, is it tough like writing for for
two bands because I know they're different, and I mean
they're in the same genre type of you know approach
of like just metal like hardcore, like you know, heavy stuff.
But like, I'm sure you got to draw from different
influences and different writing styles, is it. Do you have
to like I can only work on full blown right
now and get this done and then I can do
brick by brick or vice versa or can you go
back and forth like with writing and stuff like because
I'm sure it's gonna be a different influence pool like that.
Speaker 3: That that is a.
Speaker 4: It's it is difficult, Like I I I like split
up my notebook, you know, yeah yeah, and when I
when I'm writing, I can't listen to anything new. So
that's like a big thing, Like I can't listen. I
can't listen to things that might influence the way I write, Okay,
So which is which is crazy because it's like if
I'm I write every day, I write, I made it
a It's a thing that I just do from over
twenty years now. It's like I write at least a
paragraph if it's something that I'm gonna use eventually down
the line or that I could cannibalize for something else.
You know, I've used some stuff that I for Full
Blown in Brick by Brick and I've used some stuff
that I was writing for Brick by Brick. But I
was like, ah, I'm gonna hold this. I can make
this angrier and utilize it properly for the tuning and
the writing the Full Blown And I've I've done that
with both, you know, to where it's especially if like
there wasn't any music curated already, to where it's like,
all right, I'm writing to a song that's already put together,
you know, to where it's like if it's just like
a skeleton, just like basic ideas, then I can you know,
take something and plug and play, you know, kind of
make it fit. But like where where Brick by Brick
it's more, I've always handled it as more. It's like,
so for a long time it was Brick by Brick
was the fun band, and then Full Blown was work.
So for a long time and uh, you know, like
you know, Mike used to call them the fun Police,
and it's like, you know, it's like, oh, they're not
letting you, They're not letting your party and this and that,
and I'm like, you know what, they have a good
reason to not let me party. You know, I can't,
you know, get bombed before a show and then I'm
laying down on stage and it's it's bad bad news bears.
So it's you know, but it's a I don't get
anywhere there, you know, you know certain functions I do,
but it's nowadays it's like I have to carry myself
a little differently. I don't recover the same, but it's
I write more more to where it's I want a
I want a fun vibe with with brick by Brick,
to where when I'm writing for full Blown, I want
to take somebody's fucking head off. You know. It's like
I want to hear it and like in the background
and think to myself, who the fuck is this, and
it's like, oh shit, I wrote that. You know, It's
like that I want to have. I want to have that.
You know that A Bill and a lot of this
stuff that we've been writing lately as very aggressive. It's
very just kind of something tangible that you can sink
your teeth in that you know, it'll definitely ruffle a
bunch of feathers. You know this the lyrical content is
very angry. It took me a while because I was
I was at a point where it's like, you know,
what am I gonna what am I gonna write about?
Aches and pains? You know, It's like being a fifty
year old man, you know, like what do you what
do you write about? And then it's you know, and
then if you know, if life is you know, life
has to be on a certain trajectory stance to where
you have you have content, you know, because when when
life is awesome, it's like, oh, you know, like how
do you how do you write angry? It's it's you
almost can't, you know, unless you know, there's professionals that
you know, definitely have the ability, you know, that could
just summon it and do it. You know. It's like
for me, it's like I need to be in a
complete you know, like I am drained of all dopamine.
You know, it's like I need to be low and
angry to like and I'm angry all the time. You know.
It's it's one of the superpowers. You know. It's like it's, uh,
you know, I have to like I'll stay you know,
I'm here at the bar now, and it's like I'll
stay late, like I'll have customers of clientele that just.
Speaker 2: Oh we lost them, all right, So we're gonna I'm
recording again. This is gonna be the the audio only
portion at the end because we have some video glitches here.
But you were talking about before we wrapped, before we
lost connection, we were talking about, you know, going back
and forth and writing for both bands, and you were
talking about with full Blown you were going to get
more in a in a angry headspace, whereas you know,
for a while Brick Brick by Brick was like, you know,
more of the fun head space. And then I can't remember,
I can't remember exactly where we were at.
Speaker 4: But it's the Yeah, it was the having a Yeah,
it's creating content you know, for you know, lyrically, it's uh,
you know, it has to be different, definitely different mindset
between both, you know, you definitely you know, it's and
just having finding stuff to be angry about. And I mean,
the the news is enough.
Speaker 2: There's no shortage if you're paying the newest attention, there's
no shortage of content to to to react to, you know,
to be pissed off about Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like there's definitely you know, I get customers here
at the bar that just listening to their conversations and
it's like I bite my tongue all the time and
just you know, and that's not I really hate doing that.
And then every once in a while, you know, I'll
jump in and be like hey, you know, like they'll
they'll like, what do you think, and I'm like, my
time to shine, and then you'll let them have it.
And that's usually when they just like all right, they
finish up and leave. But uh, it's it's difficult. It's difficult.
Like when you're young and you're full of fucking piss
and vinegar. It's like, hey, you know, I could be
angry about fucking anything and it was easy. You know.
Now it's more it becomes more environmental then than it
is a mindset. It's like, you know, it's like, wow,
you know, what what can I be angry about? Oh? Everything?
You know, it's like, you know everything that surrounds you know.
Speaker 3: How can how can I pick one thing to be.
Speaker 4: With? Brick By Brick I wrote a song on the
latest album called a Crown of Rust, and that is just, uh,
it's a you know, it's kind of like metaphors and euphanisms,
but it's pretty much. There are times where you know,
like being you know, getting older and feeling it and
just it's like if you know, when you when you
rest your rust and that's a you know, just feeling
the age kind of creeping in and it's like, you know,
I'm like shit, you know, and just finding a creative
way to sing about it. Not just like my neck,
my back, you know, fucking you know, my knees can't
carry me. You know, like it's it's a little it's
a little you have to be more creative. You have
to be a little more creative. Yeah, and plus you know,
it's being a vocalist. It's you know, I listen to
patterns and I always go right to the to the lyrics.
It's like I want to see, you know, because I
don't know for me, I can I could see where
their mind was if it's something that you know, like
did they just write this or did they you know,
did they write it to get a meaning out? Were
they feeling something at the time, And more often than not,
you could pretty much nail what people are going through
off of like what that you know, that whatever the
vocal is, I get that that lyrical content and it's
like you just never know. Like there's a couple of
songs that, uh, you know, it's happened with Full Blown.
It's happened with Brick by Brick where I dreamt the song, yeah,
and like just in a live situation singing it, woke up,
wrote it down. That's the fucking song and fucking you know,
and it's crazy like I did it. I did it
with Apocalypse for Full Blown. I did it with Uh,
there's a Silence is Golden from Full Blown. That's on
the the album that's pulled, which hopefully I can re
release because it's the fucking banger with Brick by Brick
bar is open. I wrote that and that that was
a dream that was a whole you know, like dream
sequence and fucking wrote it straight out and I'm like,
this is the song, you know. Uh. Loyal to the
Grave was another one where I had a dream of
the song, wrote it out and I was like, just
wrote it out, and then I went back to it
and I was like, oh shit, this fits perfect. I
just kind of let I let the ether fucking uh
write it for me.
Speaker 3: But download you got to download of it.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, and it's you know, and it was
it was, it's it's it gets a little different. It's
now with the age, it's like there's no you know,
there's no uh no drought in in content, but just
having the right content for each band is where I'm
it's where the focus needs to get a little better. Now.
Speaker 2: Do you wait till this music and write to the
music or do you just like write I know you
said you write every day, even if it's just a paragraph.
Or do you just write a bunch of ideas and
then when you have the music, you'll like hammer it
out to that or.
Speaker 4: Both usually both, Like a full blown's been like they've
been writing just like pretty much all the pre production stuff,
and then they send it over to me and then
I'm like, well we should do this, do that, you know,
kind of curate a little bit. I I'll do a
little pretty much producing, you know, like let's do this,
let's do that, and then I'll write to it, or
I'll pull I'll go through songs that you know, the
lyrical content that I wrote and see if something catches
with with with like with a pattern so and and
then with brick by brick. It's a lot of times
I have stuff already written, but I'll rewrite stuff. I'll
scrap and just rewrite stuff in the studio because we
were the last record We were out in Long Island
recording with Joey Z from Life of Agony and that
I I scrapped two or three songs on spot and
just I was like, Nope, we're gonna do this and
totally rewrote them. And now they're fucking their bangers. And
like I just I didn't like them, didn't like them,
started recording them and I was like, this sucks, and
I was like I need time. I gotta I'm like,
I gotta redo it. And a lot of times it's
a game time decision and it changes the whole changes
the whole vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and and.
Speaker 2: It took me a while to realize it because when
I was young, like I didn't I just like write,
I write some lyrics, write some lyrics, but lyrics it
sounds dumb to say, but the vocals are also they
they tied it all together and they and it it it.
It like can change the whole feel of a song
just by having different words, you know what.
Speaker 3: I mean or it's sung in a different way.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it's like you got to use vocals
not only to get the words out, but you use
it as.
Speaker 3: An instrument, you know. And it took me. It took me.
Speaker 4: I didn't know. That's what a lot of people don't
realize that. A lot of people, you know, I'm glad
you said that, because like a lot of people don't
realize that. You know, you're not just a singer. You're
you're you know, like you're an instrument. You know. It's
like you're you're you have to have some form of
dynamic aspect in there, you know, highs, lows, you know, crescendo,
you know, put it in, you know, like use your
your inner volume just to skew it to how it
would sound. You know. It's it's it's a lot, it's
a lot. You know. Once, I feel that a lot
of bigger, like more reputable bands out there now that
you know, they found that, you know, like listening listening
to their older material and then listening to their newer stuff,
and it's like, oh, you realize that you're a musician.
You're not just a singer. You know. It's like that
you're your Your vocals are an instrument and you have
to you know, and like just like any instrument, you
have to practice. You have to, you know pretty much,
you know, maintain them. You know, you got to be
good to yourself. That's the only way to keep it going.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, man, Yeah, because you know, and I'm
not saying it's it's it's tough to do any show,
whatever you're doing, especially if you're like I think, if
you're the singer and the drummer, those are the hardest
ones to do. Hungovers like guitar bass, you can get
through it, you know what I mean. But like, and
I'm not discounting it, like you know what I mean,
like because you know, obviously there's a big difference between
being on point and being sloppy with whatever when you're doing.
But you know, I feel like, I mean, unless unless
you know, you know, like some of these with the
guitars is just jumping and doing splits in the air
and blah blah blah. Like you know, I just feel
like vocals and drums take more physically out of you,
you know what I mean, So you have to you
have to respect it a little. You gotta respect your body.
A little bit more on on tour or it's going
to be just a lot harder of a life.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's that's a real that's a real thing.
Like there, uh, there was in two thousand and six,
you know, I'm full blown. Was fortunate enough, like we
we were on an insane tour cycle. It's like we
did ten months out of the year, so it's just
over three hundred shows, you know, it's like it was insane,
like doing oz Fest in two thousand and six was
you know. The learning stamina you know, and just longevity
in uh, in vocals is because you're on your off day,
you're doing two shows, you're doing an early show, you're
driving two hours, you're playing another show, and then you're
leaving to get for a six am loaded you know,
for the actual ASPES dates. And then it's like, well,
you're on a rotating you know, you're on a rotating schedule.
So for us, you know, sometimes we went on at
nine in the morning. Sometimes we were the last band
on the stage, you know, and late afternoon before everybody
moved over to main stage. Yeah, so it's like in
just to have and that's like there weren't any days off.
It was like you have to, you know, give one
hundred percent, so you had you got your money, you know,
so you can sell your merch so you can get
to the next spot. And it's a yeah, it's it's learning,
you know, being able to Like there's there's a lot
of one off shows to where like like this this
weekend coming up, for instance, Uh, Brick by Brick has
our party at Empire on Friday, Friday thirteenth, you know,
and there's bands in turn of Bleeding All at War
probably one of my top five favorite bands of all time,
you know, invoked I Wrath is a bunch of bands playing.
And if it was just that show, I wouldn't worry
about it as much. But I have a full weekend
of shows, so it's like I have to give one
hundred and ten percent. It's almost an hour set and
then I got to prepare for traveling and then doing
the next one in Pennsylvania, the next one, you know,
the Sunday in Baltimore, and just like all right, you know,
and you got to give, got to give one hundred
percent each time, and you have to be physically ready
to give one hundred percent that's you know, and a
lot of times it's like when you do stuff, it's
a you know, you get that full diaphragm burn, yeah,
you know, because they're breathing, and then you know, it's
like with full blown full blown's out, a full on workout,
you know, just because of the breathing patterns are different,
and I write them differently with Brick by Brick just
because it's I learned how, yeah, and the song structure
is different. So it's like you have to you got
to be prepared. It's like, you know, we have stuff,
you know, like we can warrior stuff, you know, until
until we go to Europe, you know, over the summer.
But it's a it's just being able to thrive, you know.
It's like I spent I spent a lot of years
touring just being a fucking animal that you know. There's
some days I don't remember, don't remember. I know I
played there, I know I played the venue, but it's like, shit,
I really wish I would have not dove in and
fully let loose, like you know, with my drinking and
everything else, you know, because I there's a lot of
memories that I have, I have, I've got a lot,
but it's there's some that are just lost easily. Other
people remind me of stuff. Of course, there's always that.
Oh yeah, there's always that.
Speaker 2: So what was what was it like doing ods Fest
with with Full Blown?
Speaker 3: Back then?
Speaker 4: It was cool as fuck. It was a you know,
it was a super super opportunity for us because you know,
Josta was helping everybody at that time. He doesn't help
anyone but himself these days, but uh, he you know,
he kind of he ushered that for us. You know,
they wanted us to play for a couple of years
and they were like, hey, we want this band, and
it just we never had the opportunity or we didn't
have a record to push for it. So we ended
up having a record and album that would line up
just right. And I mean the lineup was awesome. I
mean I feel it was probably one of the better
uh you know alumni for two thousand and six because
it was all friends. It was all people that we
we knew that we toured with already. I mean at
the time, it's like we've done if you put all
the days together with Hate Preed. We toured over a
full year with them, you know, with every tour that
you once you put it together. So between you know,
hat pred Unearthed, a life once lost, Walls of Jericho,
all that remains between the buried and me bleeding through,
you know, Dragon Force, Like we we knew all these
bands already, you know, Strapping a lad. We toured with
a bunch. We were like we knew a lot of
these bands already, just from from other tours. So it
was a full on it was. It literally was a party.
It's like, you know, like we would get hammered early
in the day. You know, we do all our Yaegermeister
signings and everything. I Uh, I definitely got in trouble
a bunch with uh. It's a I threw a chair
into it's an f Ye tent, so from the Jaegermeister
tent during a Lacunic Coil was sitting in there and
I got in a lot of I got in a
lot of trouble. So but it was you know, but
I would I would overstay my welcome. But there was
still a line for me for signing stuff. So they're like, yeah,
leave whenever the line goes down when people don't want
autographs on the posters. And I was like, all right,
and then I'd end up sitting there all fucking dead,
and it's like people just wanted to they just wanted
to drink, and you know, I'm like, all right, I'm in.
I'm in for it. And it was bad. It was bad.
I have some bionic liver or something. It just really
but the opportunity to just you know, I mean, you
got a twenty minute set. It's it's all very The
staffing and the crew were fucking fantastic, you know, it
was it was so pro and we've done bigger things
at that time, but that was you know, it was
unfortunate with Ozzy because that's when he was pretty much
he was a puppet at the time, just being so medicated.
It was like they just pulled him out of frozen
like carbonite. Yeah, you know, whenever, whenever he played. But
Sharon was awesome. Her kids sucked. They were fucking They
were jerks.
Speaker 3: Like just entitled or like what like what oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very very entitled, very like walking into production and
being like, I lost my phone. Everything needs to stop
until I find my fuck you. It's like, you know,
like there's people who pay to be here.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like so but you know, Sharon was awesome, you know,
fucking the whole crew was just really just professional and
you know, and they were empathetic. You know. It's like
we ended up we ended up having an accident early on.
So like the like after the first week of tour,
we've totaled our RV in the Mojave Desert, totaled it.
Totally told her we was stuck. It was fourth of
July weekend, so we couldn't get anything, you know, like
out there, I'm out there, I'm looking for craters because
straight up lizard leather people everywhere in this Motel six
on California fifty eight, and it's like, you know, and
I'm watching like their kids rob other rooms and I'm
sitting there fucking like I got at a convenience store
next next to the hotel out in the middle of
the fucking desert. I had a bottle of gin that
I was using the clean people's fucking wounds off with,
doing dental flaw stitches, fucking from the accident, drinking fucking
at jello shots and fucking dude, it was what a
fucking wild time. Scars of Tomorrow helped us out. They came,
They came from California, drove their van out and fucking
literally drove us around for a week until we were
able to have somebody drive our van and trailer like
and a new trailer like out so we could finish
the tour because you know, at the time, they weren't
letting bands do vans because of how much activity it was.
You know, it's like you're you're constantly on the road,
so it's like you had to share a bus, but
you had to have an RV. We were going to
share a bus with Dragon Force, but our our off
day schedules didn't fit, so we ended up getting it.
So we got an RV and that was probably the
best sleep I've ever had in my life. But it's
you know, that was party central, that fucking thing, so
it was definitely, uh, it was it was an experience
having an RV, you know, like for that week. We
ended up getting a new one down the line, you know,
right after that tour we were out with Uh, we
were out with Soulfly, and that we had gotten insurance
and everything covered, so we ended up getting another RV.
But man, like just the all the bands on that tour,
he helped us after that accident, like we all split
up into other buses and everything, like it's uh, you know,
I stole a U haul truck that we had our
gear in and we left it on the fucking side
of the road once we got our van. It's like
it was. It was wild. I hitchhiked to one show
and I don't know how the fuck I got there
in time, but it's just wild. Like the dudes in
a tray. You had two buses, so a trail, and
we were already friends with them, so they let us
crash on one of their one of their buses between
oh yeah, between all that remains and walls of Jericho
red cord. They all let us hang out on their
buses unearthed, let us just you know, to get out
of the heat. Some of those dates were over one
hundred degrees middle of the summer. It's like you're just
fucking dying. You get your catering, Like you get your catering,
you get a bunch of cooler with a bunch of
bags ice, but you get you know, we would get
because we were a Jaegermeister band. We got I had
my own endorsement with them also, so we get two
cases of yeager every show. Yeah, so that and then
you know, we get that, we get all the beers
that we could fucking drink. Case is a monster and
everything else. I'm like, I just need water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can we just get a water sponsor please? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah. It was It was fucking
it was crazy, but it was a it was a
great you know, it was definitely. I still have friendships,
you know from that, Yeah, you know, from from that tour.
Speaker 2: But that stuff builds friendships, Like touring and dealing with
adversity on the road and everything, well, well we'll build bonds.
Speaker 3: I got to ask you, what.
Speaker 2: Was it like hitchhiking, Like, like, what was the situation
where you ended up having to hitchhike to one of
the shows, And what was it like explaining that to
people when they pick you up, Like, no, no, I'm
really I'm performing at os Fest.
Speaker 3: I gotta get over there.
Speaker 4: So I ended up the way it ended up, it
was an off day and everybody got situated. The the
truck left because we had the Uall truck that went ahead,
and then the van went ahead. I was going to
stay with a buddy and then they ended up bailing,
so they were supposed to come for a couple of shows,
and it was like holy shit. And then I fucking
I found I think it was my space. I found
somebody that was going that was driving on the way
and it was like hey, can you help me? And
this and that and like well I'm only going this far.
And then I'm meeting other people and I was like, look,
i'll hitchhike. I'll go you know, and it was made
it to I got Flying J, went to this Flying
J and then fucking that was that. I was like
all right. I was like we're good, and it fucking hitched.
It's I've been oil spotted a couple of times where
I got left, you know, as long as I wasn't
in another country, I wasn't. I wasn't too worried.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah man, that that's that's so.
But it was probably like like what time did you
like what kind of time constraint? Like how far did
you have to hitchhike? Like like was it because I mean,
because I know some dates can be like, you know,
like twelve hours apart like driving wise like or something like.
Speaker 4: Did you how oh yeah, no, no, like how many.
Speaker 3: Miles did you have to hitchhike, That's what I mean.
Speaker 4: Thinking it was it was maybe about it was getting
to Dallas, so I think it was it was about
from Oklahoma to so it was maybe about four or
five hours. It wasn't like a full like a full
day drive. Yeah, like it wasn't that bad, but it
was it was still yeah, it was still it was
still rough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it still was like I'm just trying to
think of like who would pick up a dude that
looks like us out on the road, you know what
I mean, Like I'd be like kind of nervous about
anyone that would stop, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's why I was like, well, I was like shit,
like what am I gonna do? You know, It's uh,
it's happened, you know. And sometimes it's like, hey, you
want to go to oz Fest? I got tickets, you know,
and like it was it was a different a different time,
you know, and especially down in the South, like people
fucking people eat it up, people fucking they they hitchhike.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I've seen them. I think
the most I've ever seen people hitchhiking was in Texas
or in Arizona, so where I've seen probably the most people,
and I don't know if it's just you know, like
are they real? Are they fucking snake people just trying
to fucking you know, demonic just trying to get in,
you know, like stay on the road type of stuff, you.
Speaker 2: Know, skink hitchhiking, Skinwalkers. Oh yeah, there's the title of
this episode.
Speaker 4: I firmly, I firmly dive in the skin Walkers. Oh yeah,
I fucking love it. Yeah, I love it. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I had a guy on who's Native American that was given.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard that episode. I've not.
Speaker 2: I'll send it to you. He was getting deep into
some of the Skinwalker territory and talking about uh friends
of his that go were they were getting harassed by
him and stuff like crazy, like.
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's we we were in We played a
show in Gallot, New Mexico, and it was it was
full blown and it was full blown and uh super
joint ritual. We played this theater and fucking I was
over at the hotel. It was facing just you know,
we were on the res so it was just out
you know, like facing desert and mountains and everything. And
I remember getting yelled at by somebody at the hotel
because I was whistled.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah and I and.
Speaker 4: At the time I didn't know. I was like what
And then they were like no, They're like uh huh.
They're like that's you don't don't ever do that. And
I was like, oh, I was like I only heard
you don't whistle in the forest, you know, like I didn't.
I didn't put two and two together. And I remember
getting fucking shoot out. It was like I was like,
oh shit, you know, like they were fucking feral about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they get serious about that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, this is and now you know, now
I believe it. I believe it fully. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, so what do you got coming up?
Speaker 2: I know you got a U Friday the thirteenth show
with Brick by Brick at it's that Empire right in Albany.
Speaker 4: That's that Empire. Yep, Empire Live. I got that. We're
doing a weekend UH with Brick by Brick and UH
and Internal Bleeding as well. We got Empire on Friday
Friday at thirteenth, Empire Alive and all. But and that's
that's gonna be a that's gonna be a banger. That's
gonna be a good one. We're in uh Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
and then Baltimore Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Then in April we've got a little Northeast weekend with
Brick by Brick and Fury of Five, so we'll be
out that way. Then we work our way out to
Milwaukee for Metalfest at the beginning of June. And then uh,
we're teaming up with Hoods again for Europe because why
the fuck not. It's a it's a good time, So
we'll be out there this summer, and uh, you know,
that's pretty much what we got booked for Brick by
Brick and for Full Blown. I'm just I gotta finish this,
uh this production that we're doing, so finish up my
vocals and then just put out some raw stuff like
I don't even care, you know about I just want
to get some tunes out so we could play some
new tunes. And you know, we're gonna be booking some show,
doing a couple of weekends. It's just you know, dialing
it in, get it, you know, like kind of wherever
Brick by Brick hasn't had something.
Speaker 2: So with Full Blown, you're recording new stuff, but then
you're also trying to get a record that got that
got shelved back to put that out.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we have a self titled full length that
we recorded in twenty eleven on Ironclad Records, and that's
Trevor Fips from Unearthed. That's his record label, but it's
you know, a subsidiary of Metal Blade. So it kind
of got it got shelved, and I'm trying to get
it to where at least I could put it out
for streaming or at least make some vinyls. You know.
It's like you can find it on YouTube, but YouTube
quality or for music is just not optimal. You know,
it's not optimal. And it's like the whole album. Yeah,
you can't really jump around, you know, but it's I
definitely want to get it for you know, also streaming
purposes and just just to get the music out, you know,
do that and then all the new material that you know,
we they're sending me stuff all the time, you know,
like ideas and this and that. I'm like, holy shit,
like just each one's a better banger than the last.
And I'm like, you know, and it's like all right,
you know, and it holds up. You know, it's you
got to keep creating because once you once you lose
that spark, it's really you know, the snowball effect. It's
hard to get it started again. But once at least
if you're moving forward, you're going in the.
Speaker 3: Right direction, absolutely, man.
Speaker 2: And are you working on like another LP or LP
length or you just just whatever collection of song or.
Speaker 3: Like an EP.
Speaker 4: I mean we have we have like an LP worth,
but will probably just you know, slow drip it, probably
do an EP worth, you know, do four to six songs.
Speaker 2: That's what's hitting more now is just like people don't
have the attention span for albums as much as they
used to, you know, and it's like put out two
three songs, and you know then then another two three
you know, like like you said, let it thrip out YEP.
Speaker 4: I think that's what's gonna be the how we're gonna
probably attack that is just to have something, have something fresh,
just to put out. I mean it's been fifteen years
since we've had an album out, and you know in
that in those fifteen years, Brick by Brick has you know,
put out you know, it'd be nice to have something
out at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah to uh, you know, to make your life, to
make your life even more hectic.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know it's it's yeah, yeah, I already
uh you know, just from you know the you know,
uh making line business and you know, making mead. It's
a you know, that's a full time you know. It's
like you have to have passion and you gotta love it,
you know, otherwise you don't get a good product. So
you know, it's like like anything in life, you know,
you have to you got to give it the respect
it deserves. And the same thing with music, you know,
if you're just you know, it's not it's not the eighties.
You know. You can't just join a band because I'm
gonna get girls. Yeah, you know, and I want to
drink for free. Yeah that's not how it works. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well fuck yeah, man, where can people find you on
the social media's and the you know, the websites or anything.
So if people wanted to find more information, oh man,
lost you again, dude, I will have that information in
the show notes everybody, and thank you for listening through
some of the technical difficulties. And yeah, I'll write another
banger in the books. I want to thank my man
Ray for coming on. Had a good time talking to
him again.
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