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Speaker 2: In depth health analysis and and UH supplementation. UH when

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just go to Big Truth podcast dot com And without

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further ado, we're just gonna jump into it right now

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here we go.

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Speaker 4: Big by.

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Speaker 2: Or why.

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Speaker 4: We have a leftoc.

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Speaker 2: I was just trying to I was trying to go

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to full four K, but it fucking wants me to

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upgrade and all this bullshit. These these these fucking platforms, dude,

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do you click on one thing, it's like, oh you

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can do that, but you got to upgrade and blah

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blah blah. You know, you know, it goes everyone's everything's

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a subscription. Now nothing is you just buy it and

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own it anymore. It's like and then once they have

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any the subscription, they're like, essential features are a thing

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that you got to add on or upgrade to to

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the ultra premium blah blah blah.

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Speaker 4: The pay window, the pay window stuff. It's like, hey,

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you know you can get so much more, you know,

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like you can get x ray vision if you subscribe.

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Speaker 2: If you subscribe, yeah, or it's like, you know, I

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know you're you're here as a free subscriber, but here's

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a teaser of everything you'd get if you pay to subscribe.

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And then when you pay the subscribe, it's like, all right,

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now that you're a paid subscriber, you have this, this

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and this, but look at all this awesome stuff you

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have if you upgrade to premium, ultra pro blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm falling victim to some of that because

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I find that I'm needing that with with the podcast

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and video stuff. Man, I'm like, god, damn dude. It

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used to be you could just buy Adobe Premiere or

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whatever and just be able to work on stuff, and

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now it's like you can't buy it anymore, you have

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to subscribe, and then you get stuck in that out

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that that loophole of like having a constantly upgrade to

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keep up with everything.

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Speaker 3: But it is what it is.

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Speaker 4: That's how they get you.

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Speaker 2: And without further ado, I want to thank you off

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for tuning into this episode of The Big Truth Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Even though we just kind of started. It was a

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sorry man, I was rambling.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with my brother Ray Chaos, who you probably

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know if you're in a medal, a hardcore, a punk

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rock then you know full blown chaos or brick by

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brick upstate legendary status. Here Ray, what's happened to my brother?

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What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Living? Breathing every day? Love it?

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Speaker 3: That's what we do, hanging out, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, waiting for the warmth to set in, supposed to

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get like it's supposed to be sixty something degrees tomorrow

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after it was snowing last week. So yeah, we're ready.

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I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: I know you guys like a no stranger to this,

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but like we got dumped on. We got thirty eight inches.

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there is still like snow drift piles like taller than

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me all over the place because it can't melt. Now

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everything's muddy and everything just a messager. That's just the

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Northeast bullshit that we.

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Speaker 4: Deal with, right, Oh yeah for real.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so we're just gonna start off with.

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Speaker 4: This different Yeah, this is snow. This snow was different.

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This this snow was different this year. I know, I

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don't know, that's that's just my thought on it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like, I know, you guys are on

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a different, like get a little different weather stream than us.

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of years, so I feel like I have We've got

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all the the last four years of snowfall all fell

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in the last two weeks here, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you guys tacher all at once?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you guys get hamme in too?

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Speaker 4: We got we got about a foot on this last one.

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like shovel snow off their roofs, you know, just so

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it didn't like collapse old and it's crazy, crazy trying

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to get out. I had to abandon my jeep and

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then go find it a couple of days later once

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the plows had their way and everything is it. It

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was too much. It definitely gave me the be incentive

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to like, you know, I might have to start snowburning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for real, I know I feel like the older

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we get that that Actually we used to make fun

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of that, but now it's like that's because right now

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everybody that's in like Arizona and California or wherever around

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the world where it's nice and woman just laughing at us,

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being like you idiots, why why are you dealing with that?

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But that's it's, it is what it is, all right.

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So we're gonna we're gonna start this off with a pole.

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What do people prefer, because we're both on the same

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keeping our beards, but let them go gray by the

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day gray or by the day. But do you like,

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do you prefer the no mustache or sorry this is

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or raise with a mustache? You you look more like

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a like an old school like I get I get

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made fun of like either like amisham Abe Lincoln and

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you you have like you know, like a like a

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Dwarven Warrior look there, like you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Just like I get the I get the dwarf in

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or the Sea Captain, I get a lot. You know.

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It's like I had a I had a kid, uh

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a kid like stop get in her tracks with her

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family walking past the bar the other day and like

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just looking at me, and then I just hear the whispers.

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Is that Santa you know?

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Speaker 2: You know that's that's when the gray, that's that's when

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you hit you hit Santa level grade in that bitch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm almost there. It's like, you know, I had

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the racing stripes, the uh you know, the Kirk crow

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I just want to all right, old greats where I

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can't eat certain food anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got the stripes, but the grays getting thicker,

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like it shows here. But then whatever decides a little

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more black. It's genetics is a weird thing, man, you

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know what I mean. But I saw a picture of

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me from three years ago. This thing was solid black.

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I'm like, that's how fast it creeps in it just

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like bang that was that was.

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Speaker 4: Uh that was before uh, that was pre marriage, before

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my my, my brief marriage, and so it definitely that

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it took its toll.

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Speaker 2: It's exasperated, it escalated things that moved it along. That's

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like when you see the president and the president comes

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in he looks all young and stuff, and then four

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years later he's like gray and looks old. That's if

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you believe it's a yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all the

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That's what I was gonna say. If that's even if

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you believe that's actually the president.

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Speaker 3: And not someone in a mask. You see all that ship.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love it. I love it. I

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am my whole algorithm is stuck on conspiracies and parasite

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and just and I'm here for it. Oh yeah, absolutely

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love it. It used to be cigars and tits. Now

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it's all just it's you know, it's all just the

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conspiracies and it's what's real. What's not AI is just.

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of like when I if I hit on Spotify, I

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hit Siri to play Elton John and it plays Pantera.

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I'm not worried about AI taken over yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll listen.

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a it's there's I don't think we're at that point.

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coalescing into something that's really worrisome. But yeah, I'm here

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for it. I want to see it all. I want

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to see it all go down. Yeah. Man.

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Speaker 2: So it's a weird thing, right because of in life,

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like I'm into the weirdest shit, Like, like I love

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it all. I love all the conspiracy, all the paranormal,

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all the high strangeness, all the weirdness stuff.

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Speaker 3: I love it all.

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Speaker 2: And eighty percent of it I look as entertainment, right,

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But it's entertainment with like even if a fraction of

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this is true, the world's like like more awesome than

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we know or more interesting at least than we know.

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I try and only concentrate on things that are like

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tried hard, true, backed up with you know, receipts with

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like you know that I have, Like here are the

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actual you know, released files on this, you know what

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I mean? Like this is you know, I try and

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only put that stuff out right now because I'm trying

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to build credibility before I just go completely wacko and

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everyone's like, now, this guy's just off the rails. He's

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talking about you know, but on the podcast we'll talk

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about whatever, like you know, I don't know if you

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heard the one. I had a couple episodes to get

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go with this author MDC.

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Speaker 4: Leig.

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Speaker 2: He's like a he was an Air Force fighter, he

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was a navel Sorry no, no, he's a marine Marine

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fighter pilot and UH squad captain, intelligence officer, all this stuff,

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so he has, you know, a credible background. But he

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was talking some wild stuff, man, like wild wild stuff,

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and I'm like, man, that's one of the ones where

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I'm like, well, even if two percent of what you're

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saying is true or comes to fruition, Uh, it's a

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wild world out there. And it's it's if if two

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percent of what he predicted for this year comes to

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to light, there's gonna be a what it's And we

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know it's it's only March and it's already the wild

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this year on record, Like you know what I mean,

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Like every day it's just more and more bananas out there.

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Speaker 4: It's it's very it's very insane. Like I I just

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I want full like all the disclosure stuff, like just

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let it all out. People can handle it. You know.

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It's like now it's just a tease and everything's a

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you know, a cover up and whatever. It's like, you know,

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it's like come on, you know they just we know

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it's there. Just admit it. Just admit it. You know

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it's it's it's I want the uh, the all seeing

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like the you know, dicemium glasses and you know, I

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want to be able to you know, see past the

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veil and why not? That was you know at this point.

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Speaker 2: That's those glasses right that were like comes from like

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World War two technology. There was like or something like

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early Are you talking about the glasses where you can

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see another dimension type of thing? Yes, yes, yeah, that

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came from the the the background of that is like

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I can't remember what you like, maybe it was Vietnam, dude,

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it was something. Yeah, I think it was Vietnam era.

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They were experimenting with night vision and and like soldiers

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were like freaking out because they were seeing like demons

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and like like other worldly creatures. They were looking into

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another dimension. And then I think that's where the glasses

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came from because it was like something with whatever the

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makeup of that lenses that they were using in the night.

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The night vision was like you were you were seeing

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through the veil a little bit and it was a

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it was a wild one. Oh yeah, Like I said,

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that's the stuff I want to do content on, but

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I can't right now because like I like, I don't.

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I have to like research to get the hard receipts

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and the you know, the classified documents on that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know if there is any Oh yeah,

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so I don't know.

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Speaker 4: There's a no, no, I get it. I absolutely get

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there's a lot of that that I try to. You know,

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everybody's got to do their own research, right, you know,

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to what they dial into, to what they believe in,

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what they don't believe in. There's a lot of stuff

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that's AI, and I've been kind of being able to

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you could pick stuff out when it's AI because the

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cadence and speaking sometimes is like a little off for

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some reason, something that is mundane will be spelt wrong. Yeah,

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for some reason, and it's like, oh, this is all

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just a it's clickbait. It's all clickbait. It's a good story,

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you know, I mean, you could pump in and have

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AI do any type of story you want, and then

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people think it's real. But everything is flooded, you know,

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the Internet is flooded with that.

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Speaker 3: It's wild. And you know, the scary thing is.

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Speaker 2: Like the AI we have access to is, you know,

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is getting exponentially better, like on a weekly basis, right

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because I've been starting to follow it and there's updates

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and upgrades and things that come out and programs that

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come out, Like it isn't going to be long before

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you know, you can make your own You can already

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make your own avatar and have it say whatever you want,

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right like, so like I can make a you know,

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an AI version of you in your voice, with your mannerisms,

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and it'll be pretty close, but it's still a little

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bit off where you can kind of tell, you know,

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But they're working on that, and I guarantee you within

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the year it's going to be like almost flawless. But

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that said, that's what we have access to. What powers

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that be have access to is always ten years beyond

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what we have, you know what I mean, ten twenty years.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know. I can't even imagine.

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what their message with you know

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what I mean, or what they have access to.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna it's gonna add a level of of of

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like you know, privacy, you know, like settings to everything

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just because of how you're gonna prove that you How

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are you gonna prove it's you if it's online, you know,

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like we need author like you know, any type of

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authenticity and this and that, and it's like everything's gonna

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have to be you know, watermarked somehow, you know, and

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just you know, it's it's we're already in deep ship

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with all the real ID and everything else.

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Speaker 2: Uh dude, That's that's the series I'm on right now

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for a dact that I started with. I started with

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the school photos. I'm gonna get into the cars, and

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then I'm getting into then I'm gonna get into the

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just to set the stage, and then I'm getting into

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the heavy heads with the digital ID and uh and

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uh digital currency.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because that.

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Speaker 2: If anybody body has any if you have any shred

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of loving even the smallest semblance of privacy and freedom,

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you have to one hundred and ten percent be concerned

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right now about digital idea and digital currency because they're

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going to sell it to you on the precipice of convenience, like,

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look how.

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Speaker 3: Convenient it is.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to have this, just show this and

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blah blah blah, and it's all connected. But ye, if

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it gets tied into a social credit score, which let's

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face reality, it probably will, maybe not in our life,

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but your kid's life or your grandkid's life, and then

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they can start using that to limit where you travel,

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where you spend money, how much you can spend money on,

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or just oh, you said something we don't like, so

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we're just shutting your ass off. You can't spend you don't,

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you don't, We just froze you out of the account.

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And if you don't think it'll happen. They did that

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in Canada with the truckers when the truckers protested and

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just look at where and look where China is that

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it's the you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah all the convoy. I remember watching that.

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Speaker 3: And just and they just froze all their bank account.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy and that's not a yeah, that's Canada man like,

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which is like you know, like known for you know,

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being you know sort of like us, you know what

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I mean that they they have a little less codified freedoms,

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you know, you know, you know, you know, we get

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the First and second Amendment, what's left of them, but

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you know, and and stuff like that. But you know

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they're free, you know, Western society, you know what I mean,

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And and they did it there, so like that does

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you know, like you don't have to use obscure references

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from crazy comedy countries like China like you can, which

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you know is the path we're on, but under under

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the guise of still having some kind of democracy and

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freedom but whatever that you're getting into all the things.

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But yeah, it's it's wild times. But people like do

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your research. If you only research one or two things,

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just start looking into those things. And support local businesses.

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Spend cash, not credit, not debit, you know, take money

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out of the bank if you gotta, you know what

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I mean, and and use cash because cash cannot be

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tracked the way debit credit digital currency can can be,

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you know what I mean, And and uh, that's the way.

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That's all you gotta do is like pull your money

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out of the sketchy banks. Like if you're in any

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of the big sketchy banks, pull your money out of there,

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Go go to a go to a local credit union

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or something that like actually supports your community and you

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know isn't supporting you know, centralized banking systems and craziness

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like that. You know, like just do your research on that.

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It's your duty as a citizen to be informed. And

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that's why the countries in the mess it is because

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we have a distracted, dumbed down population. And I'm not

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saying it's their fault because they're fed propaganda all day

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from you know, whatever their news sources, whether it's New

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York Times, MSNBC, CNN or.

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Speaker 3: Fox or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm you, I always have to put both out

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there because if you if you criticize one, you automatic

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we get labeled the other thing.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, either.

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Speaker 2: I am outside of the two potty system, bro, Like

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I am outside of it. I don't care to those

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Both of those, both of those being wings are on

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the same same bird left and right, They're on the

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same same bird.

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Speaker 4: Dude. You know, I like the I like how they

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you know, it could be the same subject, but the

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narrative that they push is completely opposite, like you know,

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just on either end, which is wild. It's like how

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I get a kick out of that. Like when something happens,

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I'll research the other just to see what they're saying

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is of it, and and it's it's comical. It really

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just or you know where it's unfortunate because we've become

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a country of convenience and once that convenience, you know,

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and people are gonna, you know, they're gonna give everything

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for that convenience because they don't want to struggle. And

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it's you know, we're we're dumbing down because of it.

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Things are being taken from us that we don't even know,

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like anything that was you know, like not to get

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too crunchy and weird, but like like uh, copper pipes,

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everything's packs, you know, more plastic. You know, that's that's

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hurting us. You know, there's no more. And then you know,

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like linens.

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Speaker 2: What they don't tell you and you want to get

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into the copper pipe stuff is that copper is anti microbial.

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You know what I mean. It cleans the water like

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you know what I mean, it's it's gonna you know,

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it's like a and you know, and then they wonder

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why people they're looking at uh, when they would they

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were doing tests on men and like how much microplastics

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are found in people's balls, you know what I mean,

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Like dude's balls, you know what I mean, because everything's plastic.

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Now you and your microwaving food in a plastic container,

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like bro, come on, man, fucking go get not only

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get a cast on heat up in that, dude, you know,

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it's sucking.

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00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, plus it and it the how it rearranges

474
00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:06,759
on a molecular level the food to where like it's

475
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,440
harder to digest and process, and it's like, I mean,

476
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:12,799
I'm still gonna eat it that way. You know. It's

477
00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:15,920
like my leftovers are going right in the microwave because

478
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,359
of the convenience. Yeah, I don't always have.

479
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,799
Speaker 2: The time to so yeah, And that's the thing, man,

480
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,599
you know when I say stuff like this, No one's

481
00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:25,759
one hundred percent perfect, But just stop getting more cognitive

482
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,160
cognizant of these things, because things are escalating quickly, and

483
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,880
the more they keep you distracted and fighting amongst each

484
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,599
other like oh you know you're you're you're a right

485
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:37,000
wing Republican or ooh.

486
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 3: You're left wing lib TRD blah blah blah.

487
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: It's like they it's like they're laughing up here while

488
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,039
we're fighting down here. It's oh yeah, it's get your

489
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,960
head in the game. It's it's definitely, because it's escalating fast,

490
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:52,559
you know what I mean, And more and more freedoms

491
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,079
and things that you take for grant that are eroding,

492
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,119
and like you said, everything's being sold on the guise

493
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,519
of convenience, and convenience is gonna enslave you in the end. Man,

494
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,400
Think about no one wants to think of it this way.

495
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,400
Think about how much of the year you're already a

496
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,079
slave to the government and people. You know, how do

497
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,640
you want to pay the amount of taxes you're paying

498
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,640
when you look at how many taxes you're playing, Like

499
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,960
how much you're paying in taxes, whether it's you know,

500
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,680
your your your your federal income tax, your state income tax,

501
00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:23,799
you know, and then everything else that's a tax. That's

502
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,839
like you're literally a slave to the government. If if

503
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,480
you're paying, if you're on you know, if you're not,

504
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:31,640
if you're not outside of the grid or outside of

505
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,279
the system, you're literally a slave to the government a

506
00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:36,759
third to half of the year, Like you're literally working

507
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:37,880
as a slave free.

508
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 4: Lower definitely, and then definitely the crazy thing that it's

509
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,279
the like the it's the the forward work week, you know,

510
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,079
the whole forty hour where yeah, that's that's a scam too,

511
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,960
And it's a you know, if you don't work for yourself,

512
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,960
you don't set your own schedule to where you know,

513
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,680
it starts there, because if you can't, if you can't

514
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:05,720
control how much you put yourself in and then make

515
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,079
what you need to survive. Pretty much we're all in

516
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,359
survival mode from almost day one. It's it's a that's

517
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,480
not you know, keeping that stress, you know, on the body,

518
00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:19,279
constantly wondering if we're gonna make the next month's worth

519
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:21,440
the bills. Yeah, you know, like oh, you know I

520
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,559
need this, need that. How much taxes are they taking?

521
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:26,359
Everything is tax on top of that, I don't understand

522
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,519
why gas just went up.

523
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: Well, well there's there's a little other there's a little

524
00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:34,799
dude that had stuff happening in the Middle East that

525
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,400
you know, but yeah, gas was by here. It was

526
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,279
two seventy nine one day and it was three twenty

527
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,039
nine the next. I was like, damn dude, Like I

528
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:42,480
was like, that's a little bit of a jump up.

529
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,960
Like you used to nickel and dimuds. At least go

530
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,559
up a dimond dime a week, like you you went

531
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,359
up right, you just shot right.

532
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:53,319
Speaker 4: Up, yep, saying that's sitting in the tank already. Yeah,

533
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,640
for just sitting at the gas station, not like they

534
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,000
had to buy, yeah and pay for that new Yeah.

535
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:02,079
Speaker 3: It's because everyone's yeah, everyone's everyone's getting there.

536
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: That's what you know. So yeah, it's a wild thing.

537
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:07,759
One thing I wanted to talk about. We talked about

538
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,000
you talked to you mentioned disclosure earlier. And the funny

539
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,240
thing with that is like how that's escalated that one

540
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,200
week Obama's like, yeah, those aliens, we just they're just

541
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,359
not at Area fifty one. And then Trump saw that

542
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,160
that got a lot of attention, so he's like, oh, well,

543
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,160
you know, maybe I'm gonna tell Congress, we got to

544
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,680
release all ours, you know, disclose all our release all

545
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:35,359
our you know, alien files, get disclosure rolling. And ten

546
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,359
years ago, how exciting that would be, right, Like everyone

547
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,480
be like oh yeah, hell yeah dude. But and now

548
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,359
it's just like what the hell are they trying to

549
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,119
distract us from?

550
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: Now? You know what I mean?

551
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,799
Speaker 3: Because because I'm.

552
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,079
Speaker 4: Like, that's any time there's something, yeah, it's like I

553
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,680
start looking, I'm like, all right, what do we what

554
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,799
are we not supposed to be looking at? Yeah?

555
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: And then and that's like with the Epstein files, It's like, Okay,

556
00:27:57,079 --> 00:27:59,799
they released the Epstein files, but if you look at

557
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:02,200
what the those files are, Yeah, there's some emails that

558
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,799
actually content, the emails from Epstein to other people or

559
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,480
emails to him, that's what you need to be looking at,

560
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,480
not all the stuff that people reported. Like that's like

561
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,799
like there was a lot of like people just like ratting,

562
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,799
you know what I mean. So they're like, oh, well,

563
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,759
when I was here, I saw this or I think

564
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:20,759
this guy's blah blah blah, and that's technically in the files,

565
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:24,119
but they haven't released the real files yet, like the

566
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,279
real like the stuff they pulled out, you know what

567
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:29,680
I mean, of his of his of his safe and

568
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:31,920
of the houses, you know what I mean. Like they're

569
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,519
only just releasing the electronic you know, emails and stuff,

570
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:39,240
and there's a ton in there. I'm not saying that,

571
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:40,720
but I'm saying you have to be careful when you

572
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:43,039
go through that because a lot of it is just

573
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:46,839
like conjecture and people like you know, tips or whatever

574
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,160
you know, or or people like you know, whatever, so,

575
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,920
but but there's so much there that is like him

576
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,119
emailing people where they just saying the worst shit, like

577
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:57,160
you're like, god, damn dude. But I'm like, if they're

578
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,119
releasing this now, I'm like, what are they because there

579
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:03,000
are always something else going on. I'm like, if they're

580
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,279
releasing this to us, like what are we not seeing yet?

581
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,200
And i know there's a couple of years that have

582
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,480
not been released at all, like ninety nine to two

583
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:13,680
or something like that, there's like a big gap in it,

584
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,960
and so what was going on then? But there's there's

585
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,359
a lot of stuff like there's still if they are

586
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,640
there right now, they're in contempt a law, like like

587
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,519
there's this stuff is all it's supposed one hundred percent

588
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:24,279
be out.

589
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

590
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: That's the other crazy thing right now is that accountability

591
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:34,680
is zero because we're not holding anybody accountable. We just

592
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,640
think like, oh, they just that's what they do, and

593
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,720
it's like, no, we're supposed to be and we're supposed

594
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:40,960
to be.

595
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,279
Speaker 4: Everybody's still walking.

596
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:43,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

597
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: Well the problem is like yeah, if if if, if

598
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,160
football is on and there's a cheeseburger that can still

599
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,079
be eating in your hands, like life is all right,

600
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,119
so no one, no one cares. It's like, don't like,

601
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,359
now's when we need to be like turning this shit around,

602
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,240
not when we hit rock bottom. But unfortunately, it's to

603
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,920
take you know, some depression era stuff to really shake

604
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,759
people out of there, oh, routines of comfort inconvenience, Like

605
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,559
we're soft, man, you know what I mean? Like you know,

606
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,400
like if you look at what life was like even

607
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,279
like fifty sixty, seventy years ago, and you see what

608
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,519
life is now, soft and which is good. But it

609
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,359
goes back to that whole outage, that whole adage of

610
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,039
hard try hard. Hard times create hard people. Hard people

611
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,720
create good times. Good times create soft people. Soft people

612
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,640
create hard times. Like we're we're in that vote, We're

613
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,839
in that stage, you know what I mean.

614
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,519
Speaker 4: So you know, I definitely in hard times. I try,

615
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:36,799
and it's getting hard.

616
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna get and it's gonna get a lot

617
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,759
worse before it gets any better, unfortunately. But I try

618
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,440
and retain a little bit of optimism, like you know

619
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,319
what I mean, because it's funny because all the bullshit,

620
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,839
like when you when you go online and you see

621
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:50,200
all the fighting and stuff. But when you're out in

622
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,720
the street and you're like like like last night we

623
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:56,000
were at a show. Everyone's cool, everything's going, everything's fine.

624
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,559
It's just the news and you know, the media just

625
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,480
has every one in a constant cycle of fear and

626
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,920
distress because because it's a syop man that's there's no

627
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,960
other way to say it, like that's psychological operations to

628
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,359
keep you in that state so that you're not you know.

629
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: You're you're you know, your.

630
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,599
Speaker 2: Nervous systems are like engaged, like you're you're not thinking,

631
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,559
like you're just reacting, and.

632
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,359
Speaker 3: It's wild. It's a fucking wild world.

633
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: Agree, I absolutely agree. It's like there's a lot of

634
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,079
stuff that you know, it's like like you said, you know,

635
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,920
I can't I can't push it enough for people to

636
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,359
you know, do their own homework and just do their

637
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,960
own research, you know, like without going down the rabbit

638
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,119
hole to where it it stops your way of life. Yeah,

639
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,680
because you still have to you still have to thrive,

640
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:54,279
You still have to bills are not going anywhere, you know,

641
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,039
like you still got to eat, you still got to

642
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:57,920
take care of your kids, You still gotta you know,

643
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,279
you still have to function. You know, as much as

644
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,079
you know humanly possible. But you know, don't be a

645
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:09,480
shnook either, you know, it's you know, and and like minds.

646
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:13,319
You know. Also it's uh, you know, congregating with people

647
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:16,240
with similar values, you know, and even if they're not

648
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,000
on the same page of learning things that you know,

649
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:25,480
a school, you know, like if they're open to you know, knowledge,

650
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,240
you know, hey, that's you know, that's a love language

651
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,480
right there. You know. It's like, I want to learn

652
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,839
as much as possible, and I I try to never

653
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,759
stop learning just for that reason. Not only just to

654
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:39,079
push myself into a you know, into a more aware

655
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,400
person of uh, you know, my surroundings and what's happening

656
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,799
in country out of you know, abroad out of the country,

657
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,079
you know, like what's what are we what are we

658
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,960
not seeing? But also you know, just to be a

659
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,240
good human just so I can live my life better man,

660
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,319
because who wants to who wants to live in fear?

661
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,759
Like the whole fear mongering thing. Just definitely, you know,

662
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,559
I'll tell you what. The one thing that all of

663
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:09,079
this uproar and upheaval with with the way the government

664
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,519
is right now, it's gonna spawn so much great music,

665
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,000
and I hope so, you know, because it's you know,

666
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:19,119
like a whole you know, we need a full on

667
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,599
like punk revival for what you know, punk rock, what

668
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,319
we used to you know, not what you see now,

669
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,079
you know, you know, just it's you know, I mean,

670
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,759
some are getting it, but others it's it's not this.

671
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,599
It's a lifestyle. It's a way that you know, you

672
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,680
carry yourself. It's the extreme of anything, you know. So

673
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,079
you know, that's what hardcore is. It's supposed to be

674
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,359
the extreme of you know, whatever it is, and it's

675
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:51,359
it's not not there anymore. It's not there. Hopefully it

676
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,559
it puts people that into a position to where they're

677
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,119
not afraid, they're not afraid, and they're not afraid to

678
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:57,640
speak up.

679
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: Well, yeah I share or I would like to share

680
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,759
your optimism on that. But everything we just lived through

681
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,360
from twenty twenty to twenty twenty five, I was like,

682
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,480
all right, man, people are gonna be on board and

683
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:14,760
fired up. And they were like get the jab. I

684
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,480
was like, what what Like, I'm like thrust punks. I'm like, dude,

685
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,719
you were you were cheerleading for Phiser right now, what

686
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,039
the hell are you doing, dude, Like, and I get it.

687
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,159
I get that people are trying to come from a

688
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,840
point of compassion, like, hey, let's do this for the

689
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,239
greater good. But I'm like, you're not looking deep. You're

690
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,239
not looking deep enough, dude, Like, do you think a

691
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:45,400
pharmaceutical company really has your health? You know, as it's

692
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,840
like highest intention, right, because if they if you're healthy

693
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,440
and you're pulled out of the healthcare system, you are

694
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,519
no longer a customer. They want repeat customers. And if

695
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:59,920
you think Pfizer and Moderna and all these people would

696
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,840
do this stuff out of any sort of benevolence, one

697
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:08,119
just look at the profit margins on everything, but two,

698
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,239
look at their history of lawsuits and past history of

699
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,960
just releasing stuff they know is dangerous because this is

700
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,239
their model. All right, we're developing this new drug and

701
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,719
we're gonna test it, and we're gonna have third party testing.

702
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,880
But they can choose who the third party tester is,

703
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,599
so we won't even talk about how corrupt that is, right,

704
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,440
But then we'll talk about they get it and they're like, oh,

705
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,440
well it's you know, there's already sketchy data. But here's

706
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,760
the thing they put say they put five billion into

707
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,320
developing the drug, and they spend two billion dollars on

708
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,800
researching it and getting it pushed through and whatever, and

709
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,239
then they spend three billion dollars on marketing it. So

710
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,079
we're at ten billion.

711
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 3: Right.

712
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:58,519
Speaker 2: They every drug they develop, they put money aside for

713
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:04,760
the lawsuits. So so they put ten ten billion into

714
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,400
developing a drug they sell, they make twenty billion dollars

715
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,199
in sales. Right, so they got ten billion in profit.

716
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,119
They got money to pay off people and still make money.

717
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,400
Oh yeah, it's insane. And that is the model. Like

718
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,519
you don't have to take my word for it, take

719
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:28,280
that little tidbit and stop googling or use fucking chat

720
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,400
GBT or whatever it is you got to do. But

721
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,880
look at that, because that is their model, tried and

722
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,679
true and tested. Like they build that into everything they

723
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:44,360
do and they know they've literally, I think with Spfizer

724
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,400
has got some of the biggest lawsuits in history that

725
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,159
were judged against them, Like so it was like it

726
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,280
wasn't like just brought up and dismissed or whatever, Like, no,

727
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,519
they got ruled against. Like you guys did this sketchy Yeah, shit,

728
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,880
they're not your friend.

729
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,119
Speaker 3: You know.

730
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying don't trust. And I'm not anti vaccine,

731
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,639
I'm not anti medication. I'm like this, when there's stuff

732
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:05,400
that you need, you need whatever, like you know what

733
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:11,000
I mean, But yeah, you gotta watch what you're putting them. Yeah,

734
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:11,880
oh sorry.

735
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: They don't have the track record of they don't have

736
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,719
the track record of of you know, of being you know,

737
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,079
the efficacy of their products. You know, it's like, what

738
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,679
have they cured? And then and not only that, it's

739
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,719
it's what do they own ninety percent of the rennet

740
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:31,920
you know, in the in the country, So it's like

741
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,679
they control ninety percent of what cheese has made, so

742
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,920
no matter what, you know, they could put whatever they

743
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,320
want into stuff. And it's you know, and that's a fact.

744
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,679
That's why I look that one up. I definitely yeah,

745
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:48,320
I mean, but that's a that's a that's another rabbit hole.

746
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,519
That's that's the pet rabbit holes.

747
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: We talked about four hundred things that lead to two

748
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,159
thousand rabbit holes. That's the other problem with everything. And

749
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,480
then when you stop trying to connect it all, you're like,

750
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:02,079
this is so massive and we are being assaulted on

751
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:05,360
so many fronts. Every second of the day. Oh yeah,

752
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,400
and so you like, but it goes back to what

753
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,159
you said, You've got to break yourself out of it.

754
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,320
You need to know it, because you need to know

755
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,760
what's going on. But you can't let it consume you

756
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,239
and take over your life. You have to get out there,

757
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,519
like because when you go outside, I mean right now,

758
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,840
it sucks. But like spring comes, flowers, smell good, like

759
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,119
pet your dog, like go go see your homies, like

760
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,920
go to a show.

761
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 3: Everything's good, you know what I mean.

762
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,679
Speaker 2: But understand that that can all go if you don't,

763
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,119
if you don't stand up for it, you know what

764
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:37,000
I mean. Because I feel like we're at a crossroads, man,

765
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,400
We're all at a crossroads where like people are gonna

766
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,119
have to stop stop getting.

767
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: You don't have a choice.

768
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:46,079
Speaker 2: You don't have the luxury of being distracted and dumbed

769
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,320
down anymore, because if you if you are, then pretty

770
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,480
much you know, just kiss it all goodbye, you know.

771
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's a there's you know, there's

772
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,519
the like a uh, I'm concerned about going abroad like

773
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,280
once you know, like I uh, brick by Brick is

774
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,880
gonna be going over to Europe again in uh, at

775
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,039
the end of July and we're gonna be out there

776
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:13,960
for a couple of weeks. And I'm concerned about going

777
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,079
to the UK because you have to you know, you

778
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:17,679
have to oh you know, you have to look at

779
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,559
your social media and you gotta look at it. I'm like,

780
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:24,079
my search history is so wild. It's like and it's like, well,

781
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:24,960
I guess I live here.

782
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,199
Speaker 3: Now they're gonna, you know, you toast.

783
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,199
Speaker 2: You know, they're literally and you don't don't believe me

784
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,840
on it look it up. They're putting people in jail

785
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:38,440
for for for speaking out against things, so they're gonna

786
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,000
look up this podcast phone. They're gonna be like, now, dude,

787
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,400
you're going to jail. They look They're like, they're gonna

788
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,320
look at your search history.

789
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: They're like, uh yeah, midget midget spaghetti wrestling. Uh. And

790
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:51,960
then also.

791
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 2: You know, uh, I don't know if there's there's so

792
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,599
much going on there. I was trying to think of

793
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:01,239
some deep conspiracy stuff, but it's like I'm like, I'll

794
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,599
fired on every cylinder right now. But you know, Council

795
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:09,559
of Foreign Relations and then midget spaghetti wrestling and that's

796
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:12,519
what makes the world the beautiful.

797
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: I really, I really, I'll tell you what not not

798
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,559
to get off task, but none with like the whole

799
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:23,000
you know, like like like Epstein Files and all that,

800
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:27,760
like you know, it's uh, I hope Epstein's Island. I hope,

801
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,760
I really hope they didn't. If you know, with all

802
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,760
the atrocities that they were doing, you know, do some

803
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:39,159
like Doctor Moreau type shit at least, you know, that

804
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,800
would be at least give it a drop of entertainment value,

805
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,440
you know, because I mean all we're seeing from that

806
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:50,920
is just the how awful the human condition is. And

807
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:52,960
just like with all the you know, the stuff they

808
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:56,320
human trafficking, the stuff they did to children and everything else,

809
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,480
and just like all their rituals and this and that,

810
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,800
like have you tried you know, are there any I'm

811
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,239
sure there's islands out there that are straight up Doctor

812
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,199
Moreau like they were just doing all kinds of cross

813
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:12,519
breeding and this and that, you know, But I wonder

814
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:14,039
if there was any of that.

815
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,039
Speaker 2: Well that's Zoro Ranch, bro. That's what was going on

816
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,840
at his New Mexico property. Like they haven't even talked

817
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,280
about that yet. They're only talking about the island property.

818
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,519
Like he had more dude, Like you know what I mean,

819
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:26,840
and there was that's where all the genetic stuff was.

820
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,960
I can't understand how this guy, one guy was involved

821
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:36,119
in so much wild shit like like who's got the time?

822
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,880
Like you know what I mean, Like you know that

823
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:44,519
like everything, dude, like every like he was he was

824
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:46,480
involved in crypto stuff, he was involved in all this

825
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,679
genetic stuff. He's involved in you know, like all these syops,

826
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,159
all this crazy stuff. Man, I'm like, how's one guy?

827
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,119
You know, obviously you know we'll never get to the

828
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:57,880
bottom of it all, but like it's just insanity, Like

829
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,719
how one guy just you know, rose into all this stuff.

830
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,280
And I mean there's a lot of people that do

831
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,000
like deep on that.

832
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,039
Speaker 4: And oh yeah yeah. And that's the one thing. It's

833
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:10,679
like you get, you know, you get a group of

834
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:16,000
people that want to be as nefarious as possible, and uh,

835
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,719
you know, like and that's what that that's what birthed that.

836
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:22,719
You know. It's like but then you can get a

837
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,239
group of people that want to do just as good

838
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:27,920
and they all get fucking murked. You know. It's like

839
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,119
they find a way, like you know, because the bad

840
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,400
guys want to make money off of that yep. And

841
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,239
once they can't, you lose your value.

842
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, yeah no. And I mean if you look

843
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,679
into his start was he was a really good money

844
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:48,800
launderer and he he helped like he didn't go so

845
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,199
he was smart, right, Like his tactics were. He didn't

846
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:56,519
go after like governors and senators and congressmen directly. He

847
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,480
went He went at like the donor class. That's who

848
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,559
he was real with the people that bankroll all these

849
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:04,199
because if you if you got if you're like, if

850
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,079
you're doing the money laundering for the people that are

851
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:11,320
bankrolling Congress, you got them guys and Congress on your side,

852
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,280
you know what I mean, like under your thumb because

853
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,199
you're controlling that money, you know what I mean. Like

854
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:19,639
he was, he was like he was rolling with with

855
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:21,920
with what they call the donor class. And that's that's

856
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,320
how we got so massive and had such a big

857
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,039
realm of influence because he was the dude he was.

858
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,239
He was he was laundering the money for the people

859
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,400
that bankroll every insidious fucking thing that you that you

860
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,199
can think of, you know what I mean, Like oh yeah,

861
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,039
you know, but.

862
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: I just want to know about alien shit. That's I mean,

863
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,880
that's what I that's what I've been on board for.

864
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,400
I want. I want aliens, demons, I see past the veil.

865
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,239
I'm just I don't want them to see me. That's

866
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,119
the word comes down to it. I don't want them

867
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:56,159
to see that I'm seeing.

868
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, that's the problem.

869
00:43:58,199 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 4: Man.

870
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: You know you've heard, you've heard the old adage like,

871
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:03,599
be careful of what you look into because when you

872
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:07,039
look into it, it looks back at you. And I've

873
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,119
heard that from a few researchers that have been on

874
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,360
this show. So let me ask you this. Let's get

875
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,280
off all like the real you know upsetting, like you know,

876
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,039
material world conspiracy stuff that is, you know, stuff that's

877
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:23,199
happening to us on a daily basis. Let's talk about

878
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,280
alien ship for a little bit before we get into

879
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,159
punk and hardcore because you know, you know, we got

880
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,559
to talk about music stuff and you brought it up,

881
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:32,079
and I know you get a lot going on, But

882
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,199
what is your or do you have a thought? I

883
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:38,599
always I like to ask people that are into this

884
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:39,199
this question.

885
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: Do you think.

886
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: When people are experiencing aliens or talking about aliens or

887
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,920
people you know, researchers or experiencers or you know, abductees, whatever.

888
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,679
Do you think this is something that's extraterrestrial, extraterrestrial like

889
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,320
you know, life from other planets, or do you think

890
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,880
it's something more into dimensional like they're just you know,

891
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,360
from another dimension. Or do you think that it's something

892
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,559
like hidden Earth, like an old, older advanced civilization that's

893
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:14,719
hidden from us, like whether it's underwater or you know, or.

894
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: Or in the Arctic somewhere.

895
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:19,599
Speaker 2: Or do you think it's one more or do you

896
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,800
think it's in the realm of the demonic where because

897
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,920
I've had people come on saying, like, you know, all

898
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,239
this stuff is you know, you think it's aliens, but

899
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,519
it's really part of the whole seed war going back

900
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:33,679
to the Nephelum and things like that, and and you

901
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,280
know this is all demons posing as this and then

902
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,840
which you know, you get into some things where you

903
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,920
look at Alistair Crowley when he was talking to whatever

904
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,119
that demon was and named Lamb, and it looks like

905
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:46,800
a gray alien.

906
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: So it gets into all that.

907
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:53,039
Speaker 2: And then I had one guy on and his whole

908
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:59,000
thing was like, this is all one entity and it

909
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:03,719
poses as you know, it camouflages itself and presents itself

910
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,360
as whatever you it thinks you'll relate to. So it

911
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,159
can present as an alien or or it can present

912
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:13,000
as a demon, or it can present as you know, whatever,

913
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:17,360
a cartoon character, even if you for a kid or something.

914
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:22,159
But it is a parasitic entity that like has to

915
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,119
like live off our energy. Nathaniel Gillis's he's he's a

916
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:29,000
he's a real deep researcher, a good guy too, but

917
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:32,320
he has a you know, a real interesting take on

918
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,000
all that. And so, you know, given all that realm

919
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,000
and maybe there's something else I don't know about, but

920
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,320
like what's your take on this, Like what do you

921
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,199
you know, what's your gut feeling or oh, what do

922
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:43,840
you hope it is?

923
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 4: You know, like you know it's I mean, I I

924
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,760
think I think every every avenue is plausible. Yeah, that's

925
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,400
the that's the problem is that there's it's you know,

926
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:04,280
there's outside of it. You know, the you know, the

927
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:12,920
location of certain places like Antarctica, you know, see stuff

928
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:17,239
you know, like we haven't discovered, you know, like the

929
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,079
majority of the planet you know, we haven't seen, you know,

930
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:24,199
and it's just and but we're also kept from seeing

931
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,920
a lot of it. It's uh, I keep getting ads

932
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,159
because I was doing uh, I was doing that some

933
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,320
of my own research on Antarctica. And now I'm getting

934
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,159
ads for like a six day cruise that will go there.

935
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,079
And I'm like fuck, and I'm like, you know, I

936
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,199
got the same thing. I got the same thing.

937
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: If if I'm in a position where I can do that,

938
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,880
let's do it, dude, Let's do it.

939
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: Let's go see the ice wall.

940
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,599
Speaker 4: I am one on board. It's that's the thing. You know.

941
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,760
It's like I as much as I mean all of

942
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,840
its pictures, you know, it's like how if you have

943
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:03,280
it's great to see if you view it like it's

944
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,320
a movie, Like it's not real, you know. And but

945
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:11,079
when you put the plausibility in your brain and you're like, uh,

946
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:14,480
like like pictures of the planet, where are all the satellites?

947
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:16,840
You know they just scrubbed? You know? How do they

948
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,519
know those are the colors? How do they know this?

949
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,519
How do they know that? You know? It's like there's

950
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,840
there's certain things of you know, like all these videos,

951
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,719
old videos, old pictures and things that's like, uh, you know,

952
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,199
I think they just put it. I mean a lot

953
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:34,280
of it was cold war stuff. I get it. You know,

954
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,320
it's like, hey, we're gonna you know, we're gonna lie,

955
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:40,639
We're gonna, you know, get all this stuff out just

956
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,480
to make it look like we've done it. That's one thing.

957
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:48,800
But the I think that there are things that we

958
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,519
are not supposed to see, you know, especially deep sea stuff.

959
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,599
Definitely Antarctica I've had, you know, it's just any type

960
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:06,239
of demonic things. I mean, there's definitely ah I I

961
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:10,440
you know, it's I definitely believe in a higher power,

962
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,000
and whether it's good bad, no matter what it's, I

963
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:18,199
can't be the judge of that because it's from my view,

964
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,280
it's you know, it's me looking up and any higher

965
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,559
power is going to be them looking down. You know.

966
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:27,559
That's just how it's. I'm never gonna have the full

967
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:32,280
scope of the visual of of what of what it is.

968
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,400
So I mean, I definitely I think it's I think

969
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,440
it's us from the future. I definitely, I definitely think

970
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:45,280
it could be. You know, it's ignorant to think that

971
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,639
we're the only planet that has any form of life

972
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,440
outside of just you know, single cell organisms or anything.

973
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,880
You know. I've I've had my own experiences one when

974
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,159
I was a kid, and another one, uh on my like,

975
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,159
I've seen UFOs, I've gotten pictures of stuff. I've you know,

976
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,639
I've had experiences where it's like, oh shit, you know,

977
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,880
what's what's this? You know, and just that I couldn't explain.

978
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,599
I believe it all. Yeah, I believe it all. I

979
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:25,400
definitely there's definitely things out there that surround us that

980
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,039
every once in a while, if the veil is thinned,

981
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,039
and I mean that's a you know, a lot of

982
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,960
people don't dive into that because they either don't want to,

983
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:39,840
because their life is dictated by a different path, different authorities.

984
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,719
You know. It's like, hey, you know what, I'm working class.

985
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,800
I don't have the time or the energy to worry

986
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,280
about things I can't control or think about, you know,

987
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,920
like mentally have reservation for those things. And I get that,

988
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:57,800
you know, but then you get jerks like me that

989
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,960
don't sleep and just you know and deep dive and

990
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,760
have all these you know, crazy thoughts, and it's like,

991
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:06,960
you know, they're coming up with all these things now,

992
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:13,559
and it's it's there's a lot of plausible actions to

993
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:17,559
where aliens, I mean, sky people. You know, almost every

994
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,840
you know indigenous uh you know, tribe or you know,

995
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,599
they've all had their they've all seen something and they

996
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:28,760
all have called them, you know around that type of

997
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:33,679
you know, every type of Indian, Inuit, you know, Aztec,

998
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,119
you know, it doesn't matter, you know, you know, Mayan, everybody,

999
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,159
you know, even though you know, I don't think they

1000
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,519
built that stuff. I think they just incorporated. I think

1001
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,599
it could have been. You know, I I think that

1002
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:54,800
we are there's constantly resets and something catastrophic happens and

1003
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,559
there's a reset and then there's another reset, and we

1004
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,679
just find a lot of these things and we make

1005
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,800
them our own. And it's like with you know, just

1006
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,760
with U, what is it? There's I keep I keep

1007
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,000
getting all these weird uh my algorithm. I'll get there's

1008
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,800
UFOs that are built around because like crashed vessels that

1009
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,199
are so big, they just stuff had to be built

1010
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:23,199
around it. And it's like, who knows what technology reverse

1011
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,840
engineering this that you know, it's of course there's stuff

1012
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,920
you know to the jumps in technology will they can't

1013
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:38,119
just dictate, you know, the the spark of intelligence. It

1014
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:42,639
has to be something that is found and reversed or

1015
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:45,280
something that was given and a lot of that and

1016
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,039
anything that's given has no value. And that's a lot

1017
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:50,679
of it too, is that you know, we haven't earned it.

1018
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,320
A lot of the technology either, you know, we haven't

1019
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,280
learned to respect it. So with with going back to

1020
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,960
like aliens and just I think it's I think all

1021
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,360
of the above. I think all of the above. It's

1022
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,239
I you know, I I mean it's not like a

1023
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,480
district you know, like to where it's like you know,

1024
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:12,559
you get like what was that movie like you know,

1025
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:14,719
like you get a big you know, like v you

1026
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,960
know some I mean, I'm dating myself here, but that

1027
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:19,159
was like one of my favorites like as a kid.

1028
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:22,239
Just you know, like, oh, aliens are looking for help

1029
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,800
and they need to you know, like need somewhere to live,

1030
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,000
and like people are against it, people are for it.

1031
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,639
You know, you could take that situation out of it

1032
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,599
being an off planet alien and put it with an alien,

1033
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:38,280
you know, people from another country. And we do that now,

1034
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,320
you know, we are not kind to each other to

1035
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,039
where why would anybody want to come here, you know,

1036
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:47,760
if not to you know, for our resources, you know,

1037
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,159
And that's a so I definitely, you know, I definitely

1038
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:54,639
think you know, would would where else in the universe

1039
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:57,599
do we know that has would only us? You know,

1040
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,880
you can get you know, gold is an one that's

1041
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,400
you know wood gold. You know, it's it's crazy, it's

1042
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,960
crazy to think of of all the you know, the

1043
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,719
any type of fossil fuel or you know, things that

1044
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,800
are that we have here that we take for granted.

1045
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:21,000
You know, it's definitely coming from the ocean. You know,

1046
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:24,320
there's things that we're not supposed to see. There's things

1047
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,480
we're not supposed to you know, like really be privy to,

1048
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,960
you know, and people want to explore, you know, people

1049
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,000
want to you know, if I want to go there,

1050
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:35,239
you know, I want to go there. It's I want

1051
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,360
to see the world, you know. And that's that's another

1052
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,639
thing that music, which I'm really glad that I feel

1053
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,400
very fortunate and blessed that I was able to do

1054
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,639
as much traveling to see places that I had no

1055
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,000
idea even existed, and you know, and a lot of

1056
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,239
you know, all my ventures and you know, it's like

1057
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,119
I get lost all the time. I've showed up to

1058
00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:00,079
shows late because you know, just kind of like I

1059
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:01,800
need to see what this is. I need to see

1060
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,719
what this is you know, it's like I need to

1061
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:06,920
you know, bone churches and all kinds of crazy stuff

1062
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,320
and everything, and a lot of these things were built,

1063
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,280
but for what purpose? You know, It's it's a you know,

1064
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,840
and it's hard to not think about it not coming

1065
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:26,679
from some form of technologically advanced entity. So but I

1066
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:32,480
think it's either definitely future us, you know, to where

1067
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:36,400
it's you know, I mean, putting all the plastics in

1068
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,440
our body is definitely we're going to have some children

1069
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,800
of Men's style stuff happen, you know, coming just population

1070
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,679
rates are down anyway, you know, we're we're pretty much

1071
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,480
the average American is eating a credit card worth a

1072
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:56,840
plastic a week, so you figure, and there's you know,

1073
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,599
microplastics in rain water that goes into our aquifer, that

1074
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:04,480
goes into anything, that goes into food, that goes into crops.

1075
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:06,199
Speaker 3: It's hard to escape it all.

1076
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 4: It's wild.

1077
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1078
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it all ties into something else too. It's

1079
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,320
hard to stay on task.

1080
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, it's wild.

1081
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:13,119
Speaker 4: Man.

1082
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:17,599
Speaker 2: That's this is open, open, free form, long form conversation.

1083
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 4: Man.

1084
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: And when I say this is this is me you

1085
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,280
in the van, me and you in the van driving,

1086
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,239
you know, like to the next gig, and this is

1087
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,400
the dumb ship we'd be talking about in between.

1088
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 4: You know, this is exactly. This is exactly like I started.

1089
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,599
It's funny because it's when we're in the van, like

1090
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,199
I I almost wait now, you know, I sit there

1091
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:38,679
and I watch and like there, you know, like Michael

1092
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,960
be looking at me like, oh what am I going

1093
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:46,480
to say? Now? Yeah, you know, we're kind of oh yeah,

1094
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,599
oh yeah, I love it. I love it. It's it's

1095
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,280
it's a it's yes, a lot of it is based

1096
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,840
on fiction, but to think that it's not is even

1097
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:04,559
more uh exciting and entertaining. But it's equally as terrifying

1098
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,480
when it's not fiction anymore. Yeah, so, which is a

1099
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:11,880
lot of a lot of our society.

1100
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,639
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, no, absolutely, And I agree, like it doesn't

1101
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,800
you know, like I always when I when I talk

1102
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,239
to a lot of these people that are like, well, no,

1103
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,440
it's definitely not aliens, it's demons or this, And then

1104
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,239
I'm like, why can't it be both? Because like it doesn't.

1105
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,679
I'm not saying a specific case has to be both,

1106
00:57:26,719 --> 00:57:30,480
but like you know, there can be demons and aliens

1107
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:34,119
and interdimensional beings and all this stuff all can coexist.

1108
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:36,079
It doesn't have to be one or the other. And

1109
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:39,840
guess what, nobody fucking knows, dude, nobody knows, Like right,

1110
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,159
you won't know until you're dead, and maybe you don't

1111
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,000
even know then, like maybe it's all a joke and

1112
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,199
you just go into the deep sleep forever and nothing

1113
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:46,840
else happens.

1114
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:47,719
Speaker 3: You don't know.

1115
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,079
Speaker 2: That's and that's the beauty of everything. So it's like,

1116
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,320
if you don't know, you should try and get out

1117
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,360
of your normal routines and live like oh yeah, like

1118
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,679
you don't know, so like it might be awesome when

1119
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,360
you die. It might just be the forever dirt n app.

1120
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,239
So that's and I know, people, energy, energy, it's all energy.

1121
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:13,480
We're we're energy people. Energy cannot be destroyed.

1122
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,039
Speaker 3: It can't be distrust. But you don't you don't know.

1123
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 4: It just transcends into something else. Yeah, it just you know,

1124
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:22,559
it becomes a whatever the life force is. You know.

1125
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:25,559
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, but you're yeah, no, I agree, But

1126
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:28,480
I've been you know, looking into that stuff more like

1127
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:31,320
energy and frequency, Like frequency is huge, you know what

1128
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:31,719
I mean.

1129
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 4: And so that's that's the big one. Yeah, it's a

1130
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,519
big one that I I de dive in, you know,

1131
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:43,119
just specifically, like different bilateral tones, different frequencies are good

1132
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:47,519
for different things, and just for for health, for wellness,

1133
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:50,639
for you know, it's it's wild. You know, why why

1134
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,599
do they remove bells from churches because they're you know,

1135
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:56,400
that's a whole other ye you know, like the actual

1136
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,159
old that's another one, that's a you know, if.

1137
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:00,559
Speaker 3: They didn't remove them, they cracked them.

1138
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:02,079
Speaker 2: They cracked them, you know what I mean, if they

1139
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:05,159
haven't crack them because because guess what it's it's taking

1140
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,039
the frequency away. But yeah, man, and all that stuff

1141
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:13,800
is wild. And the world when you stop getting stuck

1142
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,880
into the day to day meyer and the day to

1143
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,519
day ship, they're just ramming down your throat like there's

1144
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:21,039
still a lot of cool shit out there.

1145
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:23,559
Speaker 3: And and that's the thing, like this is I'm not

1146
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,159
this is my little crunchy moment.

1147
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: As depraved and shitty as people can be, there's also

1148
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,679
the opposite of that, where people are fucking awesome, yep,

1149
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,679
And there's a lot of there's a lot of cool ship.

1150
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:37,559
There's a lot of beauty in the world, and you've

1151
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:39,840
got to appreciate it. And I think sometimes you need

1152
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,880
the shittiness to really to put it against to to

1153
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,400
really you know what I mean, to really appreciate the

1154
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,280
good ship, you know what I mean, Like you know

1155
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,159
what I mean, Like you need to reflect it off

1156
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:51,960
the bad.

1157
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 4: There's a lot of places that, like, you know, everybody

1158
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,599
has their spot that they like to go to their

1159
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:08,039
downtime because it's either it's fulfilling and relaxing and enriching,

1160
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:12,920
you know, like their own souls, like just the environmental change,

1161
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:18,480
you know, going somewhere else. And I see, I go

1162
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:20,280
to Puerto Rico as often as I can. You know,

1163
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,440
it's like to where it's like it's a must be

1164
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,480
nice moment for a lot of people. And I'm like,

1165
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,360
work your ass off, save your money. You can do it. It's

1166
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,920
not expensive. It's part of America. I'm tired of people

1167
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,440
telling me do I need my passport and all this stuff,

1168
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:39,760
But there are places there that fully give me hope

1169
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,360
and humanity all the time. Yeah, And I just you know,

1170
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,199
I'm a simple person. I'll just sit for hours, smoke

1171
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,559
cigar and just watch just watch how the all the

1172
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:55,679
older people interact and how just their communities and their culture,

1173
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,599
how they you know, how just it's not like the

1174
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:02,880
well hasn't been fully poisoned yet, you know. And it's

1175
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,039
like and there's so many genuine I mean, there's genuine

1176
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:11,760
people everywhere. It's difficult to find in you know, most

1177
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:17,199
you know, like metropolis areas, you know, because people are sullied,

1178
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,920
you know, like they're they're you know, it's it's like, oh,

1179
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,480
I have to get them before they get.

1180
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: Me mindset, because they're in a fear cycle and a

1181
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:29,639
scarcity mindset because they just think like they're trying to

1182
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:31,159
get over on me. I got to get before I

1183
01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:33,639
got got, you know what I mean. And and and

1184
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,760
you know that's the grind, you know.

1185
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,519
Speaker 4: And and giving. It's like you know, being you know,

1186
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:45,920
having charity, being benevolent and just you know, doing something good.

1187
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,880
You know it could change the course of somebody's life completely.

1188
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,920
You never know, you never know, like you know that

1189
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,480
whole adage where it's like, you know, you be kind,

1190
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:58,559
you never know what battles you know the person's having

1191
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:01,679
or whatever. And and that's you know, that's a that

1192
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,760
is a real, a real thing. You know. It's like

1193
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,679
you have to tackle every day with a you know,

1194
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,480
with with a smile, and with you know, hey, you

1195
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,119
know what, I'm blessed for just waking up, having a roof,

1196
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,559
being able to walk. Mean, there's so many things that

1197
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:20,679
we take for granted, and I do you know, I

1198
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:24,840
I definitely believe that there's a lot of a lot

1199
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,239
of good in this world that to where it's not

1200
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:33,679
on the on the edge of of destruction, to where

1201
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:39,360
evil can fully win yet. Yeah, so and I do

1202
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:42,360
you know good and evil? I know that's a that's

1203
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,199
a slippery slope on those terms.

1204
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,239
Speaker 2: Well, it's also just energy and frequency, right, like negative

1205
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,199
you know, low frequency or high frequency like low vibe

1206
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:52,440
a high vibes ys like you can look at it whatever,

1207
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:55,000
framem it however you want. There is a duality out here,

1208
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,320
and you know, like you know, one of them is

1209
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,920
more beneficial than the other, you know, you know, and

1210
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,480
so but yeah, man, well.

1211
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 3: That was that was definitely and that was that was

1212
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:15,760
that was a.

1213
01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:19,719
Speaker 2: You know, this A lot of this tied into like

1214
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:22,719
so I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag here.

1215
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,639
Me and my friend Mark, who is the singer, well

1216
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,159
he was, he he was. He's in a band called

1217
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:33,400
let Us Pray, but he he he, he was the

1218
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,519
singer of Metal Church as well, and and then just

1219
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:41,000
that just went awry and he talked about it on

1220
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:43,039
the podcast and then you know, god, well.

1221
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:50,679
Speaker 3: But uh no, did I say the wrong band? I'm hungover.

1222
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: But anyway, but Mark and I we're going to do

1223
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,159
a new podcast, like a side podcast kind of how

1224
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,000
I have like the m fours with me and Packer

1225
01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,079
and Joe Hawcken and Mark roun Seen and we just

1226
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:00,599
get drunk and talk talk shit.

1227
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do.

1228
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:05,679
Speaker 2: I don't have a name for it yet, but it's

1229
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:12,239
gonna be basically a music meets conspiracy podcast, so I'll

1230
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:13,679
have you on it, right. It's gonna be me and

1231
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,840
Mark host it, and then we're gonna have like other

1232
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,480
guests like that, and we'll have a theme.

1233
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 4: You know, why know why I will come out to

1234
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:26,920
Free Town and I will I will definitely definite.

1235
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, next time you're around, you should come out. Anyway.

1236
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,199
Speaker 2: We'll go to Bridgewater trying. I'll bring you to some

1237
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:36,400
of the weird spots. But but we might do it

1238
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,320
remote too, because Mark's all over the place. But we're

1239
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,960
gonna do It's just gonna be like I don't know,

1240
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,880
I don't know how to explain it, but but we'll

1241
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,760
have different people because there's a lot of people that

1242
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:52,599
I think, so the music we're all involved with, whether

1243
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:55,360
it's punk or hardcore or metal whatever, Like no one

1244
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,519
got here because we were like well adjusted members of

1245
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,199
regular as society, right, so we already think a little

1246
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:06,760
different and and then you know, also given the chance

1247
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,280
to travel a lot like that, that brought into your

1248
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,800
perspectives and opens up to a lot of things, and

1249
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,079
and you know, just sort of so like I think

1250
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:17,440
we all have a kind of unique perspective on things,

1251
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:19,360
and there's a lot of people that are of the

1252
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,320
same mindset or have the same interest So, you know,

1253
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,800
I know why know's gonna come on. I talked to

1254
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,760
Jesse from Killswitch Engage like he's gonna come on because

1255
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,960
it's I think it'll be interesting. But I also think

1256
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:34,880
a lot of these guys are in bands that have

1257
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,880
like such a reach of fan base like you and

1258
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,679
like everybody, that it could help open other people fans

1259
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,519
minds because people are gonna listen because I go I

1260
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:47,920
love kill Switch, or I love Fucking the Obsessed, or

1261
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,960
I love Metal Church or I love Full Blown Chaos,

1262
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:55,039
or brick by brick, and uh, you know, I think

1263
01:05:55,079 --> 01:05:58,079
we have a way to reach people in a way

1264
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:02,199
that isn't preachy or endearing or like where it's just like, hey,

1265
01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:04,159
this is you know what we're just thinking about, or

1266
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,719
we have a lot of perspectives and I think that

1267
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,079
resonates with a lot of people or at least gets

1268
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:11,639
people open in a way like they're not being dictated

1269
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:14,000
to or you know, or it's not propaganda.

1270
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:14,239
Speaker 4: You know.

1271
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:16,239
Speaker 2: So I think, like, I think it would be a

1272
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,400
cool thing, man, And it could could Like you said,

1273
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,239
you don't know the little bit of benevolence, like you know,

1274
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,159
we don't know like what kind of ripple this has,

1275
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,159
right like and I'm not saying this is a big benevolence,

1276
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:29,599
but having these talks, and I think with people that

1277
01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:33,920
have a little bit of a reach like in our worlds,

1278
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,760
you know, could could could uh you know, help some people,

1279
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,559
you know, shake the dust off the you know, shakes

1280
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:45,159
shake some of the programming off, you know what I

1281
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:50,199
mean kind of a see what's going on? So that's

1282
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:52,159
coming up and I'll let you know, it'll it'll be

1283
01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:56,679
a a roundtable type thing. I'm gonna not I'm gonna

1284
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:58,599
have to like stay sober for these, like you know

1285
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:00,480
what I mean, because you know, I want get down,

1286
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:01,079
you know what I mean?

1287
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,679
Speaker 4: Like the other ones.

1288
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: The M fours Roundtable is just fun, you know what

1289
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,599
I mean? So but yeah, that that the M four

1290
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:11,440
is a credibility records for us. It was just like

1291
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,360
it was fucking jerk offs you but yeah, but I

1292
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,960
love it, you know what I mean. But and everyone

1293
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,920
loves those, so it's it's fun. You got you can't

1294
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,360
be serious, and you know you got to still have

1295
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,880
fun in life, right and so like, well mix it up,

1296
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:24,960
but yeah, I'll let you know what.

1297
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:27,519
Speaker 4: And uh awesome.

1298
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, so let's let's talk music, man, Like you've

1299
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,199
you're a veteran of like the hardcore metal scenes and

1300
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:39,039
stuff like like tell people you know people who don't

1301
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:41,079
you know, people who are fans but don't know you, like,

1302
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:42,840
how did you even find your way into all this?

1303
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,840
And like what got you into you know? What got

1304
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,960
you into this? You know this these subcultures and how

1305
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,039
did that emerge?

1306
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:55,639
Speaker 4: You know? I I started I've always loved music, was

1307
01:07:55,679 --> 01:08:01,199
always surrounded by music. My mom used to take me.

1308
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,760
So I grew up in Brighton Beach Cony Allen area,

1309
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:10,599
and my mom's cousin, my second cousin is uh well

1310
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,599
was he just recently passed Neil Sadaka. So he did.

1311
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:17,279
He was in the Tolkiens. He did all these like

1312
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,720
you know, Calendar Girl, happy Birthday, sweet sixteen, all these

1313
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:23,680
all these songs, laughter and the rain, all this stuff.

1314
01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:29,079
And when he would play yeah, oh yeah yeah, and

1315
01:08:29,119 --> 01:08:34,000
when he would play the Luna Park Band show. So,

1316
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:37,199
and they normally do like free shows there. I don't

1317
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:39,600
even know if it's still there because that whole area

1318
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:44,479
has been super gentrified, but we'd go and watch and

1319
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,920
I always loved seeing him perform, you know, like they

1320
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,439
would they'd always have shows there and it was always

1321
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,720
free stuff. So we'd go walk down the boardwalk and

1322
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,359
just you know, beat by the ocean, you're watching a

1323
01:08:57,399 --> 01:08:59,880
show and everything else, and you know, it was always

1324
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,399
a great vibe and I always wanted to do it.

1325
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,560
I had a music teacher who I was like, you know,

1326
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,560
I want to do something. I want to sing, I

1327
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,920
want to do something the music. And this teacher she

1328
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,800
she told my mom that I couldn't hold a note

1329
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:17,800
if it had a handle, and ever since then. I

1330
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,279
was like, I was like, well, I was like, you know,

1331
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,239
fuck you, I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna change it up.

1332
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,720
But you know, just kept doing music through, you know,

1333
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,800
through the years in school, you know, tried to. I

1334
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:36,560
did orchestra for almost ten years. I you know, just

1335
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:42,800
literally violin, viola cello and did did a lot of singing,

1336
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:47,239
a lot of chorus. After that, it was just you know, hey,

1337
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,840
I want bands. I want to do bands. I want

1338
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,079
to do music. And cutting out of school, which is

1339
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,760
you know, I mean, I don't know anybody that was

1340
01:09:56,359 --> 01:09:59,119
so goody goodye that couldn't do it. I used to

1341
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:01,439
cut out of school. I went to Lincoln So in

1342
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,640
Conee Island. We'd hop on the train, go out to

1343
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,760
the city and just walk around, you know, like we knew.

1344
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:16,239
It really wasn't a big like truancy police thing at

1345
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:18,800
that time. Yeah, even though I mean it was for

1346
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,399
a while, you know. I mean, but I'm fifty now,

1347
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:26,520
so it's like, you know, things are definitely schools.

1348
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different world now, a different game. Yeah

1349
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:29,880
school oh yeah.

1350
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:34,319
Speaker 4: So but but you know, and I remember walking past

1351
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,119
this one place and the sounds coming out of there.

1352
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:41,359
I was like, what the fuck is this and and

1353
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:44,399
it was CBGB's and there were people sound checking in there.

1354
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,079
I remember walking in and I was like whoa. I

1355
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:49,159
was like, this is what I want to do. Yeah,

1356
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,079
And it was just that moment and it was and

1357
01:10:52,119 --> 01:10:55,399
then I started, you know, trying to find shows stuff

1358
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,479
that would let me in, even though like you know,

1359
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,640
like they wouldn't ask me for an ID or or anything.

1360
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,600
I wasn't quite eighteen yet. I always had facial hair,

1361
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:06,600
so I definitely was able to get into certain places

1362
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:11,119
like Bond Street Cafe, Wetlands you know, would let me in.

1363
01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:14,399
You know, that's a whole other you know, dynamic because

1364
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,439
I had a couple of tattoo artist friends that played

1365
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,479
in a bunch of punk bands that they all knew Roger.

1366
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,600
Roger was doing Disasters at the time. He was doing

1367
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,880
Lady Luck at the time, and you know, and his

1368
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,319
wife at the time was bartending you know at Wetlands.

1369
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:34,279
So no matter what, we always got in. So even

1370
01:11:34,319 --> 01:11:38,079
as even being young, you know, younger, and we'd get hosed,

1371
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,800
you know, we drank and just party. But I'd look

1372
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,399
for the venues that where I knew I wasn't gonna

1373
01:11:43,399 --> 01:11:47,279
get id'd, you know. Lamore did an id usually.

1374
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean New York though a lot of it

1375
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,520
was it was a different in Boston to back then.

1376
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,640
It was like it was like there was way more.

1377
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:58,399
It was way freer, for for better or for worse, right,

1378
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,720
like the good and bad parts. Yeah, because it's like

1379
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,399
anything with freedom is it's a double edged sword, right,

1380
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,319
because it comes with a certain amount of accountability and responsibility.

1381
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:09,640
But but like, yeah, it was like you didn't like

1382
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,000
things weren't so uptight.

1383
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:13,319
Speaker 3: You know, it was wild, you know, it was things

1384
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:14,239
was wild.

1385
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:17,359
Speaker 4: You know, it was awesome. As long as you had

1386
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:20,640
that stamp or that wristband, it didn't matter. Yeah, you know,

1387
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,039
it was like just go in do whatever, you know,

1388
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:27,359
like the Ritz roseland Crazy Country Club. You know, like

1389
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:30,159
all these spots were just awesome. You know. They all

1390
01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:34,159
had their own their own regulars, their own energy. You know.

1391
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:37,119
I think the first show I saw at CBS was

1392
01:12:37,239 --> 01:12:41,159
a helmet, you know, and like just the Limelight Limelight,

1393
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:43,920
I saw a white zombie there, you know, like before

1394
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,840
they were white Zombie, you know, like Forever Ago and

1395
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,640
just tramps you know, used to do all kinds of

1396
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,920
crazy shows. There was a Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn. Fort

1397
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,720
Hamilton High School used to do shows all the time.

1398
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:03,600
Battle of the Bands, you know and like Candeeria, Indecision, Purge, Backslap,

1399
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,319
all these you know, all these great bands that you know,

1400
01:13:06,359 --> 01:13:09,079
shut Down he used to play all the time. You know,

1401
01:13:09,079 --> 01:13:11,920
there's a bunch of spots out and in Staten Island.

1402
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,439
You know, you were you were a bus or a

1403
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,640
train away and and at the time, you know, like

1404
01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:20,640
that's you know, the whole latch key you know kind

1405
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,840
of kid thing. It's like, hey, I'm gonna hop on

1406
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,359
a train and just go what's the worst that's gonna happen?

1407
01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:27,199
You know. I was a you know, I was a

1408
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:30,520
husky kid. I'm a husky adult. You know. It's like, hey,

1409
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,439
you know they're gonna have to worry about feeding me.

1410
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,319
I don't got to worry about getting kidnapped. So it was,

1411
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,039
you know, and so it was it was one of

1412
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:40,119
those things. It was like all right, you know, but

1413
01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:44,760
I started by doing that and then just wanting to

1414
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,439
be in bands and wanting to play. And first show

1415
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:51,079
I ever played was was at CBGB's, you know, with

1416
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:55,239
a super old old band. It was terrible, you know,

1417
01:13:55,399 --> 01:13:59,239
And and that was it and just meeting people. You

1418
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:03,359
gotta name it, you well, it was force Fed, was

1419
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:05,439
the name of the band. So it was. But that

1420
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,359
was one of God, there's so many bands, so many

1421
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,079
just things. And and the thing is with that band

1422
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:14,720
is that, you know, I did a lot with that

1423
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,399
band too, even though like we didn't have a label

1424
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,359
or anything like that. You know, I got to travel.

1425
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:23,560
I got to do ah, you know, which is crazy,

1426
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:28,439
like like Jack Koshak he does Milwaukee Metalfest he used

1427
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,399
to do back in the day. You know. I played

1428
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:33,239
there with Forest Fed in the nineties. Ye you know,

1429
01:14:33,319 --> 01:14:36,520
I went down to Texas they had November to Desmember

1430
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,119
in ninety nine, played down there with that band, and uh,

1431
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:45,600
you know I met that's where I met, uh you know,

1432
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,840
and I was coming up to Albany for shows, but

1433
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,600
that's where I met all the dudes in Skinless. You know,

1434
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,720
I met everybody, like the guys that were playing it

1435
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,039
in Flames then you know, anal Kunts and fucking we

1436
01:14:57,079 --> 01:14:59,439
all shared the same hotel and it was fun. It

1437
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,920
was fucking like it was bizarre and I'm you know,

1438
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,800
a lot of those people I'm still friends with almost

1439
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,560
thirty years later. So it's it's crazy, but that that's

1440
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,640
through music. Music, you know, it's like the uh you know,

1441
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,359
it just binds everything together.

1442
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 3: Yep.

1443
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,319
Speaker 4: But it's one of those you know, just going on

1444
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,279
and and going to all these places and I'm like, well,

1445
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,840
this is what I want to do, and then just

1446
01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:28,600
doing other bands. You know. I had a Frankie so Uh,

1447
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,199
my old drummer, h Frank Godla he does metal injection

1448
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,239
is his you know, so he's in They're huge, you know,

1449
01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:39,640
like as far as for you know, like pretty much

1450
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:44,199
being a platform for music and for heavy music and

1451
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:47,359
everything nowadays. And you know, he's still a great musician.

1452
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,439
You know, he was. He was great from the from

1453
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,039
the goat, you know, and just you know, and then

1454
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,840
jumping into other projects and doing things and you know,

1455
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,840
and then finding So I had another band that UH

1456
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:02,720
was based out of h It was Brooklyn and Queens.

1457
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,680
It was like we used to we all used to

1458
01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:08,880
rehearse in this one space and UH in Rockaway and

1459
01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:13,319
Sworn Enemy used to rehearse their UH Sworn Enemy eg

1460
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,159
H used to work you know, all these band. My

1461
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:19,560
band was a thirty six Deadly Fists. So we had

1462
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:26,600
two singers and full Blown shared uh studio. So one

1463
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,920
day the band didn't want to keep moving. Full Blown

1464
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,760
wanted to, but their singer didn't want to do stuff.

1465
01:16:34,079 --> 01:16:36,640
And I was like, hey, let's crazy, see what we

1466
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,279
can do. And we switched.

1467
01:16:38,399 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so.

1468
01:16:40,119 --> 01:16:43,199
Speaker 4: And we switched. And it's like, you know, I'm not

1469
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:46,560
the original singer for Full Blown, but it's like we

1470
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,439
all had the same we all had the same values,

1471
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,039
we all liked the same you know. I wasn't a

1472
01:16:52,039 --> 01:16:54,640
punk rock kid, but I loved metal y you know.

1473
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,319
It's like, you know, when I was a kid, it

1474
01:16:56,399 --> 01:17:00,319
was it was all you know. I loved free style,

1475
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,319
you know, just because of you know, in the area,

1476
01:17:03,399 --> 01:17:06,640
that was the thing, old school hip hop, freestyle and

1477
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,399
Judas Priest and that was the you know, and like

1478
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,279
I loved the Priest. I was fuck yes it is,

1479
01:17:13,359 --> 01:17:15,800
you know, and it was all over you know, it

1480
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,520
was all over the radio too, you know, like I

1481
01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:20,359
you know, play and record, you know, and just get

1482
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:24,079
the cassette tapes. Not even at Maxwell's. You know, you

1483
01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:26,479
show somebody at cassette tape. These days, they're like all

1484
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,560
these are those new things that people are coming out

1485
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,520
with now and they're like, no, those are so retro

1486
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:36,239
it's ridiculous. You know, it's it's but you know it

1487
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,720
was definitely I mean that was pretty much like the

1488
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:44,199
origin story of like, you know, I always wanted to

1489
01:17:44,279 --> 01:17:47,159
do music and when they said that I couldn't, and

1490
01:17:47,239 --> 01:17:49,199
you know, I'm like, oh, you know, he can't sing

1491
01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:51,640
and this and that. There's people who still think I

1492
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:52,560
can't sing. You know.

1493
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,239
Speaker 2: It's like I but it's brought you around first. It's

1494
01:17:55,239 --> 01:17:57,640
brought you around the world. Man, it's brought you around

1495
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:58,359
the world.

1496
01:17:58,880 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

1497
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,079
Speaker 2: I like it's funny because you know, I have a

1498
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:04,800
lot of people on that I'm friends with that I

1499
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,039
know what it's like. I like to ask questions like that,

1500
01:18:08,199 --> 01:18:10,079
like I learned stuff about my friends, you know when

1501
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:12,760
I have this podcast, which is one of the best

1502
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,239
fringe benefits of it. But I love that everybody's had

1503
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:19,319
that moment. Like you you stumbled into CBGB's just walking

1504
01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:21,640
around the city. But as soon as you heard that,

1505
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,439
you were like, because I said the same thing, what

1506
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,000
is this?

1507
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 3: This is? This is it? This is for me?

1508
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,119
Speaker 2: Like I heard suicidal on the college radio station, the

1509
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:32,840
local college radio station and black flag and stuff, and

1510
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,600
I'm like, what is this? But it resonates and hits

1511
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,399
and it just it's a defining moment in your life.

1512
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,000
There was like life before I heard this, and oh yeah,

1513
01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:45,199
I just went on a whole new trajectory of life,

1514
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:47,920
Like I just just switched and like on this post,

1515
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:50,960
I am on this path now, like like for people

1516
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,359
that it's like really you know, like we're still here,

1517
01:18:53,399 --> 01:18:56,079
like how many decades later, like like and there's a

1518
01:18:56,119 --> 01:18:57,760
lot of people. I went to a bane show last

1519
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,800
night and I saw people I haven't seen in thirty years,

1520
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:01,920
you know what I mean, Like and it's like wild

1521
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,960
and it's like still Like That's what I love about

1522
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,000
this type of music is that it it's more it's

1523
01:19:08,039 --> 01:19:10,600
it's corny to say, but it's more than music because

1524
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,520
it was we were drawn to it for whatever reason,

1525
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,359
you know what I mean. But like it it like

1526
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,119
is like an all consuming thing. Like even when we

1527
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:21,520
like try and reject it or whatever, it's like it's

1528
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:22,319
still there.

1529
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1530
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 4: And uh, oh yeah, and.

1531
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,399
Speaker 2: I love it man, because and that's what it's like

1532
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,159
a tie that binds, you know what I mean, and

1533
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:31,520
it's just like and you know, it altered the course

1534
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,479
of all our lives. But I think, you know, sometimes

1535
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,520
it's a hard road, but I think for the better

1536
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,920
man because I see people that are my age, like

1537
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:41,760
I like with Peter Pan, motherfuckers dude, Like you know

1538
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,439
what I mean. I see like you're fifty. I just

1539
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,239
turned fifty four, dude. And I see people that I'm like,

1540
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,680
what like like you know, or I look at it

1541
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,359
like this way, like Carol what's his name?

1542
01:19:54,399 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 3: Carol? Whatever is that?

1543
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,119
Speaker 2: Evens the dude that played Archie Bunker Carol. Yeah, that

1544
01:20:01,239 --> 01:20:04,039
dude was younger than us. You look like an old

1545
01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:06,039
grandpa dude, Like you know what I mean, like like

1546
01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:07,920
you know, you know, just whatever, you know what I mean.

1547
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,319
So I think this music in life keeps us younger,

1548
01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:14,880
you know what I mean, and uh, you know, more

1549
01:20:15,039 --> 01:20:16,319
more vibrant about things.

1550
01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:19,079
Speaker 3: But no, but I long story to tell.

1551
01:20:19,359 --> 01:20:21,319
Speaker 2: It's like everyone has that moment where it's just like

1552
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:23,720
it hits and you're like, what the fuck is this?

1553
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,439
But I know this is from me and it's just

1554
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,479
and then it is and then that's that's how it

1555
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,239
goes in it. And I love that because it's like

1556
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,800
very I don't know, I feel like that happens very

1557
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,640
rarely in life and like doesn't happen to everyone.

1558
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 3: So it's like one of those things.

1559
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,199
Speaker 2: You have to like hold like like cherish, you know

1560
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:41,600
what I mean, because it's it's fucking cool.

1561
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:47,039
Speaker 4: It's I feel they're really there's stuff to where I

1562
01:20:47,079 --> 01:20:51,039
feel incredibly fortunate that I came across that path. Yeah,

1563
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:54,640
because I mean, anybody could do anything, but not everybody

1564
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,640
goes the root of musician. And I mean it gets

1565
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:02,720
you know, it gets shipped on a lot because like

1566
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,800
you know, I mean, social media has ruined everything. But

1567
01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:08,479
it's like they're like, oh, you know, oh what do

1568
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,000
you do? You know this and that, Oh I'm you know,

1569
01:21:11,079 --> 01:21:13,720
like I'm a doctor. Oh I'm a lawyer. Oh I'm

1570
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,359
a DJ. You know, and they they make fun of it.

1571
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,680
But you look at like Steve Aoki, you look at

1572
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,720
all these you know, like Rob g you look at

1573
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,600
all these you know, all these people they're playing for

1574
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,960
millions of people. It's like, hey, you know what, it's

1575
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,159
it's the same. It's the aspect. You know they've made it,

1576
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,079
you know, did they start that way? No? You know,

1577
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:38,119
I still play shows to three people. You know. It's

1578
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:40,439
like I've done the big big, I've done the little

1579
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,119
little Yeah, and I love I love both dynamics. It's

1580
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,520
a you know, and a lot of people get get

1581
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,199
Jade and there's a lot of musicians.

1582
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,039
Speaker 2: I mean it could be showed a show, dude, Like

1583
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:54,000
you could play one show one night through thirty people,

1584
01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:56,760
and the next night you're playing the same band. Just

1585
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,600
the next night, now you're in front of nine hundred,

1586
01:21:58,640 --> 01:21:59,800
and then the two days later you're in front of

1587
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,000
the three thousands, and then then you're back in front

1588
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:02,600
of twenty four.

1589
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 3: Like it's wild.

1590
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:07,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. It's finding that humble zone yep,

1591
01:22:07,399 --> 01:22:11,560
you know, with with music because it's you never know,

1592
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,119
you know, you never know, and you never know who

1593
01:22:14,199 --> 01:22:17,439
your music is touching, who it's helping. I'll tell you what.

1594
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,239
Like stuff that I've written in the past has been

1595
01:22:22,279 --> 01:22:27,680
the best therapy for me, Like as of recent just

1596
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,960
going back to older albums and listening to stuff I wrote,

1597
01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:35,319
it's like I read like hit messages in there that

1598
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,319
helped me. Now, Yeah, it's fucking it's wild. It's wild too,

1599
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,920
And I wonder if other musicians have that kind of

1600
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,760
you know, have that weird you know, you know, weird

1601
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,279
cyclical serendipity, you know, to like to you know, older

1602
01:22:53,359 --> 01:22:57,479
projects and older things that they've that they've created, you know,

1603
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,680
I know, you know, and there's a lot of a

1604
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,600
lot of musicians that do these huge things that are

1605
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:06,119
still that are super hump Jesse kill Switch, you know,

1606
01:23:06,199 --> 01:23:08,880
he's probably he is one of my favorite people on

1607
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:13,199
the planet, definitely, you know, he just he's there for

1608
01:23:13,239 --> 01:23:16,560
the hand. You know, it's like if he wasn't playing

1609
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,920
the show, he's still at the show. It's like he's

1610
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,680
still there hanging out, you know, which is cool. You know,

1611
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,079
doesn't turn people away, you know, doesn't and that's what

1612
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:27,760
you know, a lot of that's what a lot of

1613
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:31,720
people should be doing more of in my opinion. You know,

1614
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,720
definitely one of those type of people. But it's it's

1615
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,439
you know, and he's another one of those guys that

1616
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,479
you know, there was a thing, you know, like a

1617
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:46,239
light switch, because you go on, once you hit that

1618
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:49,880
that that that change, it's like you start deep diving.

1619
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,680
It's like, what's this agnostic front, what's this bad brains,

1620
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,720
what's this sick of it all? I'm like, Oh, what's this, judge,

1621
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,119
Oh what's this? What's this? War zone? This that you know?

1622
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 2: And and you're reading your back records that you're reading

1623
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,680
the thanks list to find other bands because you know

1624
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,720
there was no Internet and stuff back then, so you're like,

1625
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,760
all right, who else? Oh what shirt is he wearing?

1626
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,079
All right, I gotta look for that band, you know

1627
01:24:09,119 --> 01:24:09,520
what I mean?

1628
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 3: That was?

1629
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: That was I think, you know, us growing up in

1630
01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:18,439
pre internet, pre social media times, you know, made things horder.

1631
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,319
It definitely made things more of an adventure, just like

1632
01:24:22,359 --> 01:24:24,520
trying to get to a show like in another state

1633
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,520
or another city. It's like there was no no GPS

1634
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,560
on your hand, you know, like you had to write

1635
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,640
shit down or whatever. But I feel like we we

1636
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,239
lived through like the best of times because we have

1637
01:24:35,319 --> 01:24:41,079
an appreciation. You said something earlier, Anything given isn't anything

1638
01:24:41,119 --> 01:24:43,600
given isn't you know, appreciated as much as something that

1639
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,119
it was earned, right, and like we had to earn it,

1640
01:24:46,199 --> 01:24:47,840
like you had to like be in it, like like

1641
01:24:48,119 --> 01:24:50,720
you know, to know what the fuck was going on,

1642
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,960
Like you couldn't just observe from home because because there

1643
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,319
wasn't four people, forty people recording the same show and

1644
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,600
live streaming it so you could just stay at home

1645
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,520
and see every show in the world right now. Oh yeah,

1646
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,800
but you know you had to find it and seek

1647
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,079
it out. But I feel like, but now that we

1648
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:09,720
have all these conveniences, like we can use them in

1649
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,800
a way that's responsible because we knew what it was

1650
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,800
like to not have that stuff. Like I like being

1651
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:16,239
I like having you know, both worlds, like you know

1652
01:25:16,279 --> 01:25:18,159
what I mean, Like I like the conveniences of a

1653
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:20,319
lot of this stuff, like you know what I mean, Like, Yeah,

1654
01:25:20,359 --> 01:25:23,239
it's wicked awesome to have my GPS so I can like, Oh,

1655
01:25:23,279 --> 01:25:25,039
my friends are in Aubany, Like where are they?

1656
01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:25,359
Speaker 4: All? Right?

1657
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 3: Empire?

1658
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,119
Speaker 2: All right, let me just type in Empire because otherwise

1659
01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:29,960
I wouldn't know how to get the fucking empire.

1660
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:31,319
Speaker 3: Like until I did it a couple of times, you know,

1661
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:31,840
or whatever.

1662
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 4: But you don't have map quests, yeah, map quests. And

1663
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:41,159
I remember having a binder, you know, on tours. Yeah,

1664
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,680
just doing that. And you know, I was a certified

1665
01:25:45,039 --> 01:25:48,359
you know, every musician twenty years ago, you know, and

1666
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,600
then some was a certified truck driver with any type

1667
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,920
of fucking with any map. Yeah, you know, like truckstop

1668
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,079
map you could find wherever you needed to go, yep.

1669
01:25:58,119 --> 01:26:01,760
And it was awesome, you know, just just going to shows,

1670
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,840
not even like touring or going to play. You know,

1671
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,760
it's like there's you know, you find a venue you like,

1672
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,800
all right, I want to see what other I want

1673
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,560
to see other shows there, you know. It used to

1674
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,319
go down to Philly all the time, used to go

1675
01:26:13,359 --> 01:26:17,079
down to Virginia to see shows go you know, we

1676
01:26:17,079 --> 01:26:19,479
we'd go out to Connecticut, go out to Boston just

1677
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,600
you know, I used to take the train and hope

1678
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,640
that I make the last one out just to go

1679
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,319
to q E two up here and all. But you know,

1680
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,479
just to see you know, Crany Abuse and all these

1681
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:33,359
different bands, you know, Stigmata and everything. So it's you

1682
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,359
never know, you know, you never know what you're gonna find,

1683
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,800
you know, and it gave you those opportunities, you know.

1684
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,560
And then all everybody videotape back then too, which was awesome.

1685
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,880
I know, there's there's a lot of old full blown

1686
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:52,560
footage that's just in that that Sony night Vision green

1687
01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:59,680
you know, just from it's you know, wild wild stuff.

1688
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,680
You know. We used to play. There was a club

1689
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:06,640
in Brooklyn called what was it? It was, Oh my god,

1690
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,239
I'm I'm planking out on it. Well, either way, it

1691
01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:11,680
was the temple, so it was a synega, was the

1692
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,800
basement of a synagogue. It was called a temple. And

1693
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,960
the most violent shows what happened there. And it was

1694
01:27:19,039 --> 01:27:23,239
just violent, bloody, you know, crazy shows, and it's like, well,

1695
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,279
you know, sacrificial, I guess, you know, for the music,

1696
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:33,640
and it's just you never know, it's wild, wild places

1697
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,520
and that you know, in a lot of these bigger

1698
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:40,119
venues now they are a little they're safe spaces, but

1699
01:27:40,199 --> 01:27:42,640
that was half of the the love for a lot

1700
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,560
of the older places, a lot of the smaller ones.

1701
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,920
You didn't know what was going to happen. Yeah, you know,

1702
01:27:48,079 --> 01:27:52,680
like what did I see? I saw there was at

1703
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:57,960
Cony Allen High. I went on my birthday, I don't know,

1704
01:27:58,199 --> 01:28:02,199
sometime in ninety in the late nineties, and it was

1705
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,479
it was Candia and sugar and I think Indecision opened

1706
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:11,159
that or one. However, it was flip flopped and it

1707
01:28:11,319 --> 01:28:16,840
was insane. I was bloody. I ended up under a barstool,

1708
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,600
like how did I get here? You know, it just

1709
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,039
it was why wild you know, the dudes, like the

1710
01:28:23,079 --> 01:28:25,920
dudes of the Sugar, their hair were stuck in the

1711
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,560
ceiling times, they doing circle whips and all kinds of

1712
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,319
crazy shit. So it's, you know, the great memories of

1713
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,119
all kinds of now stadiums.

1714
01:28:35,159 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it's funny to see in decision in

1715
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,560
my sugar, like, okay, like that. That's the other thing

1716
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,159
I used to like about shows back then. They were

1717
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:45,600
like mixed bags, like you know, you know, it was

1718
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,039
just like, you know, it was always.

1719
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,159
Speaker 4: Like that's how you could do it, and that's how

1720
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:52,840
you learn other you know, a lot of these the

1721
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,880
mixed bills. I love the mixed bills. It's like, hey,

1722
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,279
bring it. I know I can find something that I

1723
01:28:58,359 --> 01:29:01,239
don't know or something that I'm like or you know,

1724
01:29:01,319 --> 01:29:03,760
there was I think one of the best mixed bills

1725
01:29:04,079 --> 01:29:05,560
I got to see. It was that a It was

1726
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,239
at a wrestling center, Yes, and it was it was

1727
01:29:09,319 --> 01:29:13,680
Candeia and and Merciful Fate so and it was like

1728
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,920
it was awesome. It was so awesome. Yeah, it just

1729
01:29:18,199 --> 01:29:20,720
you never know, you never know what you're gonna find. Yeah.

1730
01:29:22,279 --> 01:29:25,319
Speaker 3: But yeah, so let me ask you this.

1731
01:29:26,119 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 2: You got full blown chaos and you got Brick by

1732
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,840
Brick that they're both active.

1733
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:34,399
Speaker 3: Like what's it like juggling to two bands?

1734
01:29:36,119 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 4: It's it's not as difficult as it used to be.

1735
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:46,239
You know, like full Blown never we never did the whole,

1736
01:29:46,399 --> 01:29:49,079
like you know, oh, we're gonna call it quits, so

1737
01:29:49,359 --> 01:29:52,439
to to bank on the whole, you know, oh we're

1738
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,039
doing a reunion. You know, like people just sit there

1739
01:29:55,079 --> 01:29:57,119
and they say they're like, oh, there's still a band.

1740
01:29:57,119 --> 01:29:59,239
They're still around, and you know, we still play a

1741
01:29:59,279 --> 01:30:02,039
couple of times when we can still go to Europe

1742
01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:05,000
whenever we have the opportunity. You know, we don't have

1743
01:30:05,159 --> 01:30:09,760
the you know, the the draw, the pull. But you know,

1744
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:16,039
there was a whole era of like beatdown bands that

1745
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:20,640
you know, like a lot of people focus on you know,

1746
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:24,199
they focus on the you know, on like Shatter Realm,

1747
01:30:24,319 --> 01:30:27,840
or they focus on you know some other bands you know,

1748
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:31,720
like Just you know that had this style. But there's

1749
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,399
all these other bands that, like like Full Blown that

1750
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:39,319
kind of curated a more aggressive you know, like it

1751
01:30:39,399 --> 01:30:42,159
was just it was on point, like that Red Line

1752
01:30:42,199 --> 01:30:45,439
from Jersey, you know, that whole New Jersey bloodline. You know,

1753
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:49,520
like it's all different Mazura from Virginia. They were tough

1754
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,600
as nails. You know. It was just a lot of

1755
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:55,039
good music, and you know, like people kind of pigeon

1756
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,119
hole and then focus on one. It's like, man, there's

1757
01:30:58,319 --> 01:31:00,680
there's other music out there. You know. People don't do

1758
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,840
their homework. That's the thing. It's like, you know, they

1759
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:06,319
don't look for Hey, what other bands with the same

1760
01:31:07,039 --> 01:31:11,119
genres that could do this or do that? But juggling both.

1761
01:31:12,279 --> 01:31:18,800
It's so truth be told. When when Brick by Brick,

1762
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,760
when Mike approached me, you know, Mike and I were

1763
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,319
already thicke as thieves. Then you know, it's like we

1764
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,600
I would I would try to start my shows if

1765
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,560
I couldn't. So there was this one venue at the

1766
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:35,520
preface here, one venue in in Wheeling, West Virginia called

1767
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,960
Yesterday's and that place was my Vegas. So it was

1768
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:45,399
it was literally you know, the wild West there. I

1769
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:49,119
like to start shows there and end shows on a

1770
01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:51,760
tour just because I knew we were getting paid, I

1771
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,960
knew we were getting drunk. I knew we were getting

1772
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,039
taken care of. And my buddy who owned the place,

1773
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,439
had a dozen other bars, he had strip clubs, He

1774
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,600
had Steak and Wheeling Island Casino, you know, so it

1775
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:09,000
was always it was always an adventure. But then you know,

1776
01:32:09,079 --> 01:32:11,439
but I knew also coming up here with Mike, I

1777
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,159
knew we were always going to have a good time.

1778
01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:17,760
So I would either start in Albany and finish in Wheeling,

1779
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,279
or you know, I would try to do it either way,

1780
01:32:20,359 --> 01:32:22,000
you know, just say hey, you know when you get

1781
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,399
to hang out, boom, we hang out, we do this,

1782
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,520
do that, we end up at the strip club bombed.

1783
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,680
You know. It just it's always an adventure, and that's

1784
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,359
why I always wanted just it. I wanted to be lucrative,

1785
01:32:33,359 --> 01:32:34,800
and I wanted to have it be a good time

1786
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,319
for the band, you know, and for kids to act

1787
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:44,119
enjoy themselves. Now juggling both when Brick by Brick had

1788
01:32:44,199 --> 01:32:48,039
let their other singer go, you know, I had told

1789
01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:51,199
Mike years previous, I'm like, hey, if you ever need

1790
01:32:51,399 --> 01:32:53,880
somebody to fill in, I was like, I got you,

1791
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,039
just let me know. And he hit me up and

1792
01:32:57,079 --> 01:32:59,520
he's like, hey, you want to fill in for this

1793
01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:02,880
Canadian man balt Or you know, it's a few days

1794
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:04,920
this and that that. I was like, sure, why not?

1795
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:10,840
And did one rehearsal kind of barked my way through it.

1796
01:33:11,159 --> 01:33:13,680
Didn't know any of the songs still, and it was

1797
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,760
just like, ah, whatever showed up. We did the shows

1798
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:20,760
and it was just I don't know how I got

1799
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,359
through them. I definitely was an asshole the entire fucking time.

1800
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,079
You know, we're in Canada. We're like, yeah, let's you

1801
01:33:27,119 --> 01:33:31,560
know whatever, let's have fun. And then on the way back,

1802
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:34,479
he's like, so when do you join it? And I

1803
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,560
was like what, he goes, these were the best shows.

1804
01:33:37,159 --> 01:33:39,039
I was like fuck, And I was like, well, you

1805
01:33:39,039 --> 01:33:44,000
know what. Full Blown was on a not a We

1806
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,079
were on a hiatus, and I was like, I got

1807
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:47,680
I got it. Got to keep my chops going.

1808
01:33:48,039 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 2: I was like, I got to keep it right. Like

1809
01:33:52,079 --> 01:33:55,560
as vocalists, we can't. It's like, what are you gonna do.

1810
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,039
You can't go like just I guess you could, but

1811
01:33:58,119 --> 01:33:59,920
I don't like just go yell in a room like this.

1812
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:02,199
It's not like you can't just practice like on a

1813
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:04,239
guitar or bass or drums and you just you can

1814
01:34:04,279 --> 01:34:06,000
sit home and do it. You got to be in

1815
01:34:06,079 --> 01:34:08,600
a band really to do it, or otherwise you're driving

1816
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:10,359
around listening to the your stereo in your car and

1817
01:34:10,399 --> 01:34:12,880
you're screaming and screaming the car, screaming in the car

1818
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:13,760
or screaming.

1819
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 4: In the shower. Yeah, it's it's a different you know,

1820
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:20,720
and it's a different environment. Yeah completely, So just you know,

1821
01:34:21,079 --> 01:34:22,640
and and the thing is with Brick by Brick and

1822
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:27,359
Full Blown, it's it might sound similar, but different set

1823
01:34:27,359 --> 01:34:32,079
of muscles, different vocal styles. Even though for you know,

1824
01:34:32,119 --> 01:34:35,119
when I first joined Brick by Brick it was always

1825
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,039
it was like, oh that sounds like right from Full

1826
01:34:38,079 --> 01:34:41,000
Blown and Brick by Brick, And now it's kind of

1827
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,760
encapsulated the band sound. You know. It doesn't help that

1828
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,039
you know, Jeff, my drummer from Full Blown, is in

1829
01:34:49,119 --> 01:34:51,399
Brick by Brick now also, so it's like, you know,

1830
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:55,680
it's and we have a weird you know sync up also,

1831
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:59,000
so it's like, you know, I follow him for everything.

1832
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:00,079
When Jamison was pla.

1833
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:03,119
Speaker 3: Just just just you know, just do Brick by Chaos.

1834
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,159
Speaker 4: That's you know what we there's a you know, we

1835
01:35:07,239 --> 01:35:10,479
we've we've entertained it. It's like we've done we've done

1836
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,359
a couple of shows where it's like, eh, let's uh,

1837
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,560
you know, do double duty and I'm like, oh, I

1838
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:21,439
don't want to do double duty. It's it sucks. It sucks,

1839
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:25,720
but it's and that's the thing too. It's like you know,

1840
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:30,000
if you're you know, if you rehearse enough, and like

1841
01:35:30,079 --> 01:35:33,159
I definitely like we had a couple of rehearsals last week.

1842
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:36,079
We've got a rehearsal this week coming because we have

1843
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:39,880
our our you know, it's it's not a release show.

1844
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,479
Normally we have a big event with Brick by Brick,

1845
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,840
but we do something real big once a year. This

1846
01:35:46,039 --> 01:35:49,479
was like the Friday thirteenth party. We're like, let's just

1847
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:53,319
do something for fun. But you know, and I was like,

1848
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:58,079
so but getting but getting I'll touch on that f

1849
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:03,600
But vocally for both, it's the writing is different, the

1850
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:08,119
vocal is similar but not the same, and it's it's

1851
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:10,880
hard to juggle. It's, you know, I want to do

1852
01:36:12,039 --> 01:36:15,760
more with Full Blown. Like I'm I'm dragging my feet.

1853
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,920
We have a ton of new music I need to

1854
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:22,600
record and we're gonna push out ourselves, you know, just

1855
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,920
put it on for streaming. You know. It's like people

1856
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,119
that do music now, you're not making money off it. No,

1857
01:36:28,279 --> 01:36:31,439
it's you know, you make money off of merchandise, maybe

1858
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,039
the show. You know, if you're going into it for

1859
01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:37,560
the money, don't that's you know, that's a that's an

1860
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:41,600
eighties mentality where you had the you had your you know,

1861
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,960
your agents, you had your you know this that you

1862
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:49,039
had your manager. Everybody was on the bus. People don't realize,

1863
01:36:49,079 --> 01:36:51,720
you know, it's like, hey, you know, it's a it's

1864
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,479
a it's a record loan, not a record deal. You know,

1865
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:57,720
it's like you have to pay that money back. So

1866
01:36:58,399 --> 01:37:00,720
it's like you do it yourself at least, you know,

1867
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,199
you're the ones that aren't that take the liability on

1868
01:37:04,319 --> 01:37:06,920
a lot of it. And it's uh, it's it's difficult

1869
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,800
to juggle both. You know. I got to go through

1870
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,319
dates where it's like, oh, you know, I know I

1871
01:37:11,359 --> 01:37:15,600
have this in April, this in June, you know, stuff

1872
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,920
in July Europe, and I'm like, shit, I wanted to

1873
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:22,399
do Europe with Full Blown because of festival season and whatnot,

1874
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:26,720
so I might have to juggle stuff around for availability.

1875
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:30,479
And now having Jeff in the band, that makes it

1876
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:35,199
a little more trying just to make sure that he

1877
01:37:35,359 --> 01:37:37,880
has it available because he's in three bands. Okay, so

1878
01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:40,840
maybe even more so he's got concrete ties.

1879
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,319
Speaker 2: There's just not a lot of drummers out there. So

1880
01:37:44,319 --> 01:37:47,840
every drummer from multiple bands because because because because everyone,

1881
01:37:48,039 --> 01:37:49,720
every band needs a drummer, and this is just not

1882
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:51,840
a lot of that's a big responsibility.

1883
01:37:53,279 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're a When you're a good musician, it's

1884
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:01,159
like and not only just you know, it's you get pulled,

1885
01:38:01,279 --> 01:38:03,560
you know, it's like you get hired. He fills in

1886
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,039
for sworn enemy from time to time, you know, and

1887
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,840
it's it takes a you know, and drummers have that

1888
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,479
acuity too, to where it's like they can listen to it,

1889
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,079
pick it up. You know, it's like, hey, put their

1890
01:38:16,079 --> 01:38:19,720
flair on it. That's how you know it's a good Uh,

1891
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,720
it's good to be a drummer, like like Corey. You

1892
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:23,359
know Corey.

1893
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 3: Corey's in like eighteen bands.

1894
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you put it, you put him in anywhere.

1895
01:38:28,039 --> 01:38:28,239
Speaker 2: You know.

1896
01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:31,520
Speaker 4: It drives, you know, it's it's it's wild, you know,

1897
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:34,039
and he's he is one of my all time favorite

1898
01:38:34,119 --> 01:38:38,880
musicians period just because of of that, you know, of

1899
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,800
that continuity that he has, that he's just able to

1900
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,880
the talents. You know that he was born with It's funny.

1901
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 2: You say that too, like how drummers just just pick

1902
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,399
it up. Because like when I was at the first

1903
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,760
Murphy's Law show that Walter played drums for, and they

1904
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,279
hadn't even practiced altogether yet, and I was like, yeah.

1905
01:38:57,119 --> 01:38:58,199
Speaker 3: I was like he's like, no, I know.

1906
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,560
Speaker 2: And literally it's one of the best sounding Murphy's Law

1907
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,479
shows I've seen, you know what I mean, Like, ause

1908
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:08,439
Walter's just a fucking amazing drummer, right, so it's like

1909
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,840
oh yeah, and you know, and and and uh, he

1910
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,520
just brought his his style to Murphy's Law and it

1911
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:15,800
just worked, and it works.

1912
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,199
Speaker 3: So he's still playing drums with them.

1913
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was like it was just like man,

1914
01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:22,119
what like that's confidence, Like you've never even practiced altogether

1915
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:24,840
and you're doing a show like your first practice is

1916
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,720
actually at a live venue with like with a significant

1917
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:28,680
number of people.

1918
01:39:28,399 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 3: There, right, you know, but yeah, they get it that

1919
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:35,439
they can do it. They can do it.

1920
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 4: It's it's awesome to be able to jump in yeah,

1921
01:39:38,039 --> 01:39:39,960
and just like yeah, I got it. You know.

1922
01:39:40,079 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 2: It's and then just like the trust of like yeah

1923
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,760
he's got it, be fine, you know, do you what's

1924
01:39:47,159 --> 01:39:50,479
you know? Like, is it tough like writing for for

1925
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,840
two bands because I know they're different, and I mean

1926
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:55,239
they're in the same genre type of you know approach

1927
01:39:55,239 --> 01:39:58,760
of like just metal like hardcore, like you know, heavy stuff.

1928
01:39:59,079 --> 01:40:01,880
But like, I'm sure you got to draw from different

1929
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:05,039
influences and different writing styles, is it. Do you have

1930
01:40:05,079 --> 01:40:07,560
to like I can only work on full blown right

1931
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,000
now and get this done and then I can do

1932
01:40:09,039 --> 01:40:10,760
brick by brick or vice versa or can you go

1933
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,079
back and forth like with writing and stuff like because

1934
01:40:13,079 --> 01:40:16,439
I'm sure it's gonna be a different influence pool like that.

1935
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:17,119
Speaker 3: That that is a.

1936
01:40:17,279 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 4: It's it is difficult, Like I I I like split

1937
01:40:22,039 --> 01:40:25,279
up my notebook, you know, yeah yeah, and when I

1938
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:30,000
when I'm writing, I can't listen to anything new. So

1939
01:40:30,079 --> 01:40:32,239
that's like a big thing, Like I can't listen. I

1940
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:37,239
can't listen to things that might influence the way I write, Okay,

1941
01:40:37,279 --> 01:40:40,159
So which is which is crazy because it's like if

1942
01:40:40,199 --> 01:40:43,520
I'm I write every day, I write, I made it

1943
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:47,560
a It's a thing that I just do from over

1944
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,479
twenty years now. It's like I write at least a

1945
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:54,600
paragraph if it's something that I'm gonna use eventually down

1946
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,399
the line or that I could cannibalize for something else.

1947
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,520
You know, I've used some stuff that I for Full

1948
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,079
Blown in Brick by Brick and I've used some stuff

1949
01:41:03,079 --> 01:41:05,159
that I was writing for Brick by Brick. But I

1950
01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:07,319
was like, ah, I'm gonna hold this. I can make

1951
01:41:07,359 --> 01:41:13,159
this angrier and utilize it properly for the tuning and

1952
01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:17,159
the writing the Full Blown And I've I've done that

1953
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:19,760
with both, you know, to where it's especially if like

1954
01:41:20,039 --> 01:41:23,880
there wasn't any music curated already, to where it's like,

1955
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:27,680
all right, I'm writing to a song that's already put together,

1956
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:29,479
you know, to where it's like if it's just like

1957
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:33,800
a skeleton, just like basic ideas, then I can you know,

1958
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,720
take something and plug and play, you know, kind of

1959
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,920
make it fit. But like where where Brick by Brick

1960
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:45,479
it's more, I've always handled it as more. It's like,

1961
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,560
so for a long time it was Brick by Brick

1962
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,520
was the fun band, and then Full Blown was work.

1963
01:41:53,039 --> 01:41:56,079
So for a long time and uh, you know, like

1964
01:41:57,119 --> 01:41:59,279
you know, Mike used to call them the fun Police,

1965
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,560
and it's like, you know, it's like, oh, they're not

1966
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,760
letting you, They're not letting your party and this and that,

1967
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:05,720
and I'm like, you know what, they have a good

1968
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,399
reason to not let me party. You know, I can't,

1969
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,399
you know, get bombed before a show and then I'm

1970
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:15,079
laying down on stage and it's it's bad bad news bears.

1971
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,159
So it's you know, but it's a I don't get

1972
01:42:18,199 --> 01:42:21,239
anywhere there, you know, you know certain functions I do,

1973
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:25,600
but it's nowadays it's like I have to carry myself

1974
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:29,000
a little differently. I don't recover the same, but it's

1975
01:42:29,159 --> 01:42:35,920
I write more more to where it's I want a

1976
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:40,239
I want a fun vibe with with brick by Brick,

1977
01:42:40,359 --> 01:42:43,880
to where when I'm writing for full Blown, I want

1978
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,319
to take somebody's fucking head off. You know. It's like

1979
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:51,159
I want to hear it and like in the background

1980
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,439
and think to myself, who the fuck is this, and

1981
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:56,279
it's like, oh shit, I wrote that. You know, It's

1982
01:42:56,319 --> 01:42:58,399
like that I want to have. I want to have that.

1983
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:01,079
You know that A Bill and a lot of this

1984
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:07,239
stuff that we've been writing lately as very aggressive. It's

1985
01:43:07,359 --> 01:43:12,039
very just kind of something tangible that you can sink

1986
01:43:12,079 --> 01:43:15,720
your teeth in that you know, it'll definitely ruffle a

1987
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:20,800
bunch of feathers. You know this the lyrical content is

1988
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,520
very angry. It took me a while because I was

1989
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:25,800
I was at a point where it's like, you know,

1990
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:27,640
what am I gonna what am I gonna write about?

1991
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,039
Aches and pains? You know, It's like being a fifty

1992
01:43:30,119 --> 01:43:32,000
year old man, you know, like what do you what

1993
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,439
do you write about? And then it's you know, and

1994
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:39,039
then if you know, if life is you know, life

1995
01:43:39,079 --> 01:43:43,920
has to be on a certain trajectory stance to where

1996
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:48,039
you have you have content, you know, because when when

1997
01:43:48,079 --> 01:43:50,600
life is awesome, it's like, oh, you know, like how

1998
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:53,319
do you how do you write angry? It's it's you

1999
01:43:53,399 --> 01:43:56,560
almost can't, you know, unless you know, there's professionals that

2000
01:43:57,319 --> 01:44:00,239
you know, definitely have the ability, you know, that could

2001
01:44:00,279 --> 01:44:03,199
just summon it and do it. You know. It's like

2002
01:44:03,279 --> 01:44:06,680
for me, it's like I need to be in a

2003
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:11,680
complete you know, like I am drained of all dopamine.

2004
01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:15,640
You know, it's like I need to be low and

2005
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,520
angry to like and I'm angry all the time. You know.

2006
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,680
It's it's one of the superpowers. You know. It's like it's, uh,

2007
01:44:23,039 --> 01:44:25,560
you know, I have to like I'll stay you know,

2008
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:27,920
I'm here at the bar now, and it's like I'll

2009
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:32,239
stay late, like I'll have customers of clientele that just.

2010
01:44:34,359 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 2: Oh we lost them, all right, So we're gonna I'm

2011
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,239
recording again. This is gonna be the the audio only

2012
01:44:44,319 --> 01:44:47,159
portion at the end because we have some video glitches here.

2013
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:51,399
But you were talking about before we wrapped, before we

2014
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:57,760
lost connection, we were talking about, you know, going back

2015
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,399
and forth and writing for both bands, and you were

2016
01:44:59,399 --> 01:45:02,319
talking about with full Blown you were going to get

2017
01:45:02,319 --> 01:45:05,600
more in a in a angry headspace, whereas you know,

2018
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,640
for a while Brick Brick by Brick was like, you know,

2019
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,319
more of the fun head space. And then I can't remember,

2020
01:45:10,359 --> 01:45:12,319
I can't remember exactly where we were at.

2021
01:45:12,359 --> 01:45:17,199
Speaker 4: But it's the Yeah, it was the having a Yeah,

2022
01:45:17,319 --> 01:45:22,840
it's creating content you know, for you know, lyrically, it's uh,

2023
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:27,319
you know, it has to be different, definitely different mindset

2024
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,560
between both, you know, you definitely you know, it's and

2025
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:34,159
just having finding stuff to be angry about. And I mean,

2026
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:36,680
the the news is enough.

2027
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:41,199
Speaker 2: There's no shortage if you're paying the newest attention, there's

2028
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:44,199
no shortage of content to to to react to, you know,

2029
01:45:44,359 --> 01:45:47,760
to be pissed off about Yeah.

2030
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:50,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like there's definitely you know, I get customers here

2031
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:54,279
at the bar that just listening to their conversations and

2032
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:58,000
it's like I bite my tongue all the time and

2033
01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:03,079
just you know, and that's not I really hate doing that.

2034
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:05,760
And then every once in a while, you know, I'll

2035
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,840
jump in and be like hey, you know, like they'll

2036
01:46:08,119 --> 01:46:10,359
they'll like, what do you think, and I'm like, my

2037
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:12,880
time to shine, and then you'll let them have it.

2038
01:46:13,279 --> 01:46:15,239
And that's usually when they just like all right, they

2039
01:46:15,239 --> 01:46:19,079
finish up and leave. But uh, it's it's difficult. It's difficult.

2040
01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:22,760
Like when you're young and you're full of fucking piss

2041
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,199
and vinegar. It's like, hey, you know, I could be

2042
01:46:25,239 --> 01:46:29,640
angry about fucking anything and it was easy. You know.

2043
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:35,920
Now it's more it becomes more environmental then than it

2044
01:46:36,079 --> 01:46:38,920
is a mindset. It's like, you know, it's like, wow,

2045
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:42,479
you know, what what can I be angry about? Oh? Everything?

2046
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:45,520
You know, it's like, you know everything that surrounds you know.

2047
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,079
Speaker 3: How can how can I pick one thing to be.

2048
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 4: With? Brick By Brick I wrote a song on the

2049
01:46:54,279 --> 01:46:59,239
latest album called a Crown of Rust, and that is just, uh,

2050
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:03,800
it's a you know, it's kind of like metaphors and euphanisms,

2051
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:07,720
but it's pretty much. There are times where you know,

2052
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:11,399
like being you know, getting older and feeling it and

2053
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,159
just it's like if you know, when you when you

2054
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:18,840
rest your rust and that's a you know, just feeling

2055
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:22,199
the age kind of creeping in and it's like, you know,

2056
01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:25,760
I'm like shit, you know, and just finding a creative

2057
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:29,720
way to sing about it. Not just like my neck,

2058
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:33,319
my back, you know, fucking you know, my knees can't

2059
01:47:33,359 --> 01:47:37,800
carry me. You know, like it's it's a little it's

2060
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,760
a little you have to be more creative. You have

2061
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,319
to be a little more creative. Yeah, and plus you know,

2062
01:47:42,399 --> 01:47:47,720
it's being a vocalist. It's you know, I listen to

2063
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:51,760
patterns and I always go right to the to the lyrics.

2064
01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:56,079
It's like I want to see, you know, because I

2065
01:47:56,119 --> 01:47:59,079
don't know for me, I can I could see where

2066
01:47:59,079 --> 01:48:02,159
their mind was if it's something that you know, like

2067
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:06,279
did they just write this or did they you know,

2068
01:48:06,399 --> 01:48:09,159
did they write it to get a meaning out? Were

2069
01:48:09,159 --> 01:48:12,319
they feeling something at the time, And more often than not,

2070
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:17,920
you could pretty much nail what people are going through

2071
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,359
off of like what that you know, that whatever the

2072
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:24,359
vocal is, I get that that lyrical content and it's

2073
01:48:24,399 --> 01:48:26,159
like you just never know. Like there's a couple of

2074
01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:29,359
songs that, uh, you know, it's happened with Full Blown.

2075
01:48:29,359 --> 01:48:35,039
It's happened with Brick by Brick where I dreamt the song, yeah,

2076
01:48:35,079 --> 01:48:39,239
and like just in a live situation singing it, woke up,

2077
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:43,680
wrote it down. That's the fucking song and fucking you know,

2078
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:46,079
and it's crazy like I did it. I did it

2079
01:48:46,119 --> 01:48:51,840
with Apocalypse for Full Blown. I did it with Uh,

2080
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:55,199
there's a Silence is Golden from Full Blown. That's on

2081
01:48:55,279 --> 01:48:59,199
the the album that's pulled, which hopefully I can re

2082
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:02,000
release because it's the fucking banger with Brick by Brick

2083
01:49:02,119 --> 01:49:04,640
bar is open. I wrote that and that that was

2084
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:08,159
a dream that was a whole you know, like dream

2085
01:49:08,279 --> 01:49:13,239
sequence and fucking wrote it straight out and I'm like,

2086
01:49:13,319 --> 01:49:16,239
this is the song, you know. Uh. Loyal to the

2087
01:49:16,279 --> 01:49:18,560
Grave was another one where I had a dream of

2088
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:20,760
the song, wrote it out and I was like, just

2089
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:22,479
wrote it out, and then I went back to it

2090
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:25,960
and I was like, oh shit, this fits perfect. I

2091
01:49:26,039 --> 01:49:28,960
just kind of let I let the ether fucking uh

2092
01:49:29,279 --> 01:49:30,000
write it for me.

2093
01:49:31,039 --> 01:49:33,239
Speaker 3: But download you got to download of it.

2094
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, and it's you know, and it was

2095
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:39,880
it was, it's it's it gets a little different. It's

2096
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:44,239
now with the age, it's like there's no you know,

2097
01:49:44,279 --> 01:49:50,680
there's no uh no drought in in content, but just

2098
01:49:51,039 --> 01:49:54,359
having the right content for each band is where I'm

2099
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:58,960
it's where the focus needs to get a little better. Now.

2100
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:00,640
Speaker 2: Do you wait till this music and write to the

2101
01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:02,560
music or do you just like write I know you

2102
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:04,880
said you write every day, even if it's just a paragraph.

2103
01:50:05,399 --> 01:50:06,720
Or do you just write a bunch of ideas and

2104
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:08,720
then when you have the music, you'll like hammer it

2105
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:09,479
out to that or.

2106
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 4: Both usually both, Like a full blown's been like they've

2107
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:18,920
been writing just like pretty much all the pre production stuff,

2108
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:21,239
and then they send it over to me and then

2109
01:50:21,279 --> 01:50:23,760
I'm like, well we should do this, do that, you know,

2110
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,359
kind of curate a little bit. I I'll do a

2111
01:50:26,399 --> 01:50:30,239
little pretty much producing, you know, like let's do this,

2112
01:50:30,319 --> 01:50:34,399
let's do that, and then I'll write to it, or

2113
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:38,279
I'll pull I'll go through songs that you know, the

2114
01:50:38,359 --> 01:50:42,680
lyrical content that I wrote and see if something catches

2115
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,560
with with with like with a pattern so and and

2116
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:51,319
then with brick by brick. It's a lot of times

2117
01:50:52,319 --> 01:50:57,039
I have stuff already written, but I'll rewrite stuff. I'll

2118
01:50:57,079 --> 01:51:00,920
scrap and just rewrite stuff in the studio because we

2119
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:05,560
were the last record We were out in Long Island

2120
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:09,000
recording with Joey Z from Life of Agony and that

2121
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:14,560
I I scrapped two or three songs on spot and

2122
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:16,680
just I was like, Nope, we're gonna do this and

2123
01:51:17,279 --> 01:51:21,000
totally rewrote them. And now they're fucking their bangers. And

2124
01:51:21,399 --> 01:51:24,119
like I just I didn't like them, didn't like them,

2125
01:51:24,399 --> 01:51:27,439
started recording them and I was like, this sucks, and

2126
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:29,359
I was like I need time. I gotta I'm like,

2127
01:51:29,399 --> 01:51:31,960
I gotta redo it. And a lot of times it's

2128
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:36,680
a game time decision and it changes the whole changes

2129
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:37,399
the whole vibe.

2130
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:39,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and and.

2131
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:42,399
Speaker 2: It took me a while to realize it because when

2132
01:51:42,399 --> 01:51:44,319
I was young, like I didn't I just like write,

2133
01:51:44,359 --> 01:51:49,279
I write some lyrics, write some lyrics, but lyrics it

2134
01:51:49,319 --> 01:51:53,760
sounds dumb to say, but the vocals are also they

2135
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,880
they tied it all together and they and it it it.

2136
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,960
It like can change the whole feel of a song

2137
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:02,680
just by having different words, you know what.

2138
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:04,079
Speaker 3: I mean or it's sung in a different way.

2139
01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:06,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it's like you got to use vocals

2140
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:09,039
not only to get the words out, but you use

2141
01:52:09,079 --> 01:52:09,520
it as.

2142
01:52:09,399 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 3: An instrument, you know. And it took me. It took me.

2143
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:15,199
Speaker 4: I didn't know. That's what a lot of people don't

2144
01:52:15,239 --> 01:52:16,880
realize that. A lot of people, you know, I'm glad

2145
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:19,439
you said that, because like a lot of people don't

2146
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:24,640
realize that. You know, you're not just a singer. You're

2147
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:28,880
you're you know, like you're an instrument. You know. It's

2148
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:32,680
like you're you're you have to have some form of

2149
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:39,479
dynamic aspect in there, you know, highs, lows, you know, crescendo,

2150
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,159
you know, put it in, you know, like use your

2151
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:48,319
your inner volume just to skew it to how it

2152
01:52:48,359 --> 01:52:50,840
would sound. You know. It's it's it's a lot, it's

2153
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,520
a lot. You know. Once, I feel that a lot

2154
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:59,319
of bigger, like more reputable bands out there now that

2155
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:03,079
you know, they found that, you know, like listening listening

2156
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:06,920
to their older material and then listening to their newer stuff,

2157
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,760
and it's like, oh, you realize that you're a musician.

2158
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,079
You're not just a singer. You know. It's like that

2159
01:53:13,159 --> 01:53:16,159
you're your Your vocals are an instrument and you have

2160
01:53:16,199 --> 01:53:19,000
to you know, and like just like any instrument, you

2161
01:53:19,079 --> 01:53:22,319
have to practice. You have to, you know pretty much,

2162
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,800
you know, maintain them. You know, you got to be

2163
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:28,800
good to yourself. That's the only way to keep it going.

2164
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:33,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, man, Yeah, because you know, and I'm

2165
01:53:33,159 --> 01:53:37,239
not saying it's it's it's tough to do any show,

2166
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:39,680
whatever you're doing, especially if you're like I think, if

2167
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,199
you're the singer and the drummer, those are the hardest

2168
01:53:42,199 --> 01:53:45,479
ones to do. Hungovers like guitar bass, you can get

2169
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:47,359
through it, you know what I mean. But like, and

2170
01:53:47,399 --> 01:53:49,119
I'm not discounting it, like you know what I mean,

2171
01:53:49,159 --> 01:53:52,279
like because you know, obviously there's a big difference between

2172
01:53:52,279 --> 01:53:54,800
being on point and being sloppy with whatever when you're doing.

2173
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:58,520
But you know, I feel like, I mean, unless unless

2174
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:00,279
you know, you know, like some of these with the

2175
01:54:00,319 --> 01:54:02,520
guitars is just jumping and doing splits in the air

2176
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:06,159
and blah blah blah. Like you know, I just feel

2177
01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:09,119
like vocals and drums take more physically out of you,

2178
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:11,119
you know what I mean, So you have to you

2179
01:54:11,159 --> 01:54:14,159
have to respect it a little. You gotta respect your body.

2180
01:54:14,199 --> 01:54:16,760
A little bit more on on tour or it's going

2181
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:19,239
to be just a lot harder of a life.

2182
01:54:19,079 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

2183
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:23,079
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's that's a real that's a real thing.

2184
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:27,079
Like there, uh, there was in two thousand and six,

2185
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:31,359
you know, I'm full blown. Was fortunate enough, like we

2186
01:54:31,359 --> 01:54:34,359
we were on an insane tour cycle. It's like we

2187
01:54:34,399 --> 01:54:38,000
did ten months out of the year, so it's just

2188
01:54:38,119 --> 01:54:41,399
over three hundred shows, you know, it's like it was insane,

2189
01:54:41,399 --> 01:54:44,560
like doing oz Fest in two thousand and six was

2190
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:52,760
you know. The learning stamina you know, and just longevity

2191
01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:57,239
in uh, in vocals is because you're on your off day,

2192
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:00,399
you're doing two shows, you're doing an early show, you're

2193
01:55:00,479 --> 01:55:03,520
driving two hours, you're playing another show, and then you're

2194
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:07,399
leaving to get for a six am loaded you know,

2195
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:11,520
for the actual ASPES dates. And then it's like, well,

2196
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:15,439
you're on a rotating you know, you're on a rotating schedule.

2197
01:55:16,079 --> 01:55:18,000
So for us, you know, sometimes we went on at

2198
01:55:18,079 --> 01:55:20,359
nine in the morning. Sometimes we were the last band

2199
01:55:20,399 --> 01:55:24,439
on the stage, you know, and late afternoon before everybody

2200
01:55:24,479 --> 01:55:27,239
moved over to main stage. Yeah, so it's like in

2201
01:55:27,479 --> 01:55:30,199
just to have and that's like there weren't any days off.

2202
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:32,880
It was like you have to, you know, give one

2203
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:37,039
hundred percent, so you had you got your money, you know,

2204
01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:39,119
so you can sell your merch so you can get

2205
01:55:39,159 --> 01:55:44,119
to the next spot. And it's a yeah, it's it's learning,

2206
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,520
you know, being able to Like there's there's a lot

2207
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:50,159
of one off shows to where like like this this

2208
01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:54,279
weekend coming up, for instance, Uh, Brick by Brick has

2209
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:59,560
our party at Empire on Friday, Friday thirteenth, you know,

2210
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:02,960
and there's bands in turn of Bleeding All at War

2211
01:56:03,319 --> 01:56:05,880
probably one of my top five favorite bands of all time,

2212
01:56:06,399 --> 01:56:09,279
you know, invoked I Wrath is a bunch of bands playing.

2213
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:13,840
And if it was just that show, I wouldn't worry

2214
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,600
about it as much. But I have a full weekend

2215
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:19,560
of shows, so it's like I have to give one

2216
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:24,039
hundred and ten percent. It's almost an hour set and

2217
01:56:24,079 --> 01:56:28,800
then I got to prepare for traveling and then doing

2218
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:31,680
the next one in Pennsylvania, the next one, you know,

2219
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:35,880
the Sunday in Baltimore, and just like all right, you know,

2220
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,039
and you got to give, got to give one hundred

2221
01:56:38,079 --> 01:56:41,119
percent each time, and you have to be physically ready

2222
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,760
to give one hundred percent that's you know, and a

2223
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:47,600
lot of times it's like when you do stuff, it's

2224
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:51,359
a you know, you get that full diaphragm burn, yeah,

2225
01:56:51,479 --> 01:56:54,399
you know, because they're breathing, and then you know, it's

2226
01:56:54,439 --> 01:56:58,239
like with full blown full blown's out, a full on workout,

2227
01:56:58,319 --> 01:57:01,279
you know, just because of the breathing patterns are different,

2228
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:04,960
and I write them differently with Brick by Brick just

2229
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:11,000
because it's I learned how, yeah, and the song structure

2230
01:57:11,479 --> 01:57:14,319
is different. So it's like you have to you got

2231
01:57:14,319 --> 01:57:16,920
to be prepared. It's like, you know, we have stuff,

2232
01:57:17,399 --> 01:57:19,960
you know, like we can warrior stuff, you know, until

2233
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:23,399
until we go to Europe, you know, over the summer.

2234
01:57:23,479 --> 01:57:27,680
But it's a it's just being able to thrive, you know.

2235
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,439
It's like I spent I spent a lot of years

2236
01:57:30,479 --> 01:57:34,479
touring just being a fucking animal that you know. There's

2237
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:37,560
some days I don't remember, don't remember. I know I

2238
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:40,239
played there, I know I played the venue, but it's like, shit,

2239
01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:46,600
I really wish I would have not dove in and

2240
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:50,239
fully let loose, like you know, with my drinking and

2241
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:53,439
everything else, you know, because I there's a lot of

2242
01:57:53,479 --> 01:57:58,039
memories that I have, I have, I've got a lot,

2243
01:57:58,119 --> 01:58:01,119
but it's there's some that are just lost easily. Other

2244
01:58:01,159 --> 01:58:04,760
people remind me of stuff. Of course, there's always that.

2245
01:58:05,239 --> 01:58:06,439
Oh yeah, there's always that.

2246
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,199
Speaker 2: So what was what was it like doing ods Fest

2247
01:58:09,239 --> 01:58:10,359
with with Full Blown?

2248
01:58:10,399 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 3: Back then?

2249
01:58:12,479 --> 01:58:14,720
Speaker 4: It was cool as fuck. It was a you know,

2250
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:19,479
it was a super super opportunity for us because you know,

2251
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:23,880
Josta was helping everybody at that time. He doesn't help

2252
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:29,600
anyone but himself these days, but uh, he you know,

2253
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:33,279
he kind of he ushered that for us. You know,

2254
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:36,359
they wanted us to play for a couple of years

2255
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:39,680
and they were like, hey, we want this band, and

2256
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:42,840
it just we never had the opportunity or we didn't

2257
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:45,720
have a record to push for it. So we ended

2258
01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:48,399
up having a record and album that would line up

2259
01:58:48,840 --> 01:58:53,600
just right. And I mean the lineup was awesome. I

2260
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:56,399
mean I feel it was probably one of the better

2261
01:58:57,359 --> 01:59:01,000
uh you know alumni for two thousand and six because

2262
01:59:01,159 --> 01:59:04,159
it was all friends. It was all people that we

2263
01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:07,079
we knew that we toured with already. I mean at

2264
01:59:07,079 --> 01:59:10,199
the time, it's like we've done if you put all

2265
01:59:10,239 --> 01:59:13,359
the days together with Hate Preed. We toured over a

2266
01:59:13,359 --> 01:59:16,000
full year with them, you know, with every tour that

2267
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:18,760
you once you put it together. So between you know,

2268
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:23,119
hat pred Unearthed, a life once lost, Walls of Jericho,

2269
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:28,399
all that remains between the buried and me bleeding through,

2270
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:33,199
you know, Dragon Force, Like we we knew all these

2271
01:59:33,199 --> 01:59:36,359
bands already, you know, Strapping a lad. We toured with

2272
01:59:36,439 --> 01:59:38,520
a bunch. We were like we knew a lot of

2273
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:42,359
these bands already, just from from other tours. So it

2274
01:59:42,399 --> 01:59:46,560
was a full on it was. It literally was a party.

2275
01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:48,920
It's like, you know, like we would get hammered early

2276
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:51,439
in the day. You know, we do all our Yaegermeister

2277
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:55,199
signings and everything. I Uh, I definitely got in trouble

2278
01:59:55,279 --> 01:59:59,079
a bunch with uh. It's a I threw a chair

2279
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:04,600
into it's an f Ye tent, so from the Jaegermeister

2280
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:08,359
tent during a Lacunic Coil was sitting in there and

2281
02:00:08,399 --> 02:00:09,920
I got in a lot of I got in a

2282
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:12,119
lot of trouble. So but it was you know, but

2283
02:00:12,199 --> 02:00:15,399
I would I would overstay my welcome. But there was

2284
02:00:15,439 --> 02:00:18,479
still a line for me for signing stuff. So they're like, yeah,

2285
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:21,800
leave whenever the line goes down when people don't want

2286
02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:24,199
autographs on the posters. And I was like, all right,

2287
02:00:24,399 --> 02:00:26,359
and then I'd end up sitting there all fucking dead,

2288
02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,000
and it's like people just wanted to they just wanted

2289
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:30,960
to drink, and you know, I'm like, all right, I'm in.

2290
02:00:31,279 --> 02:00:33,840
I'm in for it. And it was bad. It was bad.

2291
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:39,199
I have some bionic liver or something. It just really

2292
02:00:39,439 --> 02:00:44,079
but the opportunity to just you know, I mean, you

2293
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:48,920
got a twenty minute set. It's it's all very The

2294
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:53,279
staffing and the crew were fucking fantastic, you know, it

2295
02:00:53,319 --> 02:00:57,880
was it was so pro and we've done bigger things

2296
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,600
at that time, but that was you know, it was

2297
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:04,359
unfortunate with Ozzy because that's when he was pretty much

2298
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:08,640
he was a puppet at the time, just being so medicated.

2299
02:01:09,039 --> 02:01:10,840
It was like they just pulled him out of frozen

2300
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:14,119
like carbonite. Yeah, you know, whenever, whenever he played. But

2301
02:01:14,439 --> 02:01:18,119
Sharon was awesome. Her kids sucked. They were fucking They

2302
02:01:18,119 --> 02:01:19,039
were jerks.

2303
02:01:19,279 --> 02:01:21,720
Speaker 3: Like just entitled or like what like what oh.

2304
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:25,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, very very entitled, very like walking into production and

2305
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:29,640
being like, I lost my phone. Everything needs to stop

2306
02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:32,720
until I find my fuck you. It's like, you know,

2307
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:34,560
like there's people who pay to be here.

2308
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:34,960
Speaker 3: You know.

2309
02:01:35,039 --> 02:01:39,239
Speaker 4: It's like so but you know, Sharon was awesome, you know,

2310
02:01:39,479 --> 02:01:45,359
fucking the whole crew was just really just professional and

2311
02:01:46,119 --> 02:01:48,279
you know, and they were empathetic. You know. It's like

2312
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:53,239
we ended up we ended up having an accident early on.

2313
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,600
So like the like after the first week of tour,

2314
02:01:57,279 --> 02:02:01,279
we've totaled our RV in the Mojave Desert, totaled it.

2315
02:02:01,439 --> 02:02:04,039
Totally told her we was stuck. It was fourth of

2316
02:02:04,119 --> 02:02:07,880
July weekend, so we couldn't get anything, you know, like

2317
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:11,800
out there, I'm out there, I'm looking for craters because

2318
02:02:12,520 --> 02:02:16,359
straight up lizard leather people everywhere in this Motel six

2319
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:19,479
on California fifty eight, and it's like, you know, and

2320
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:23,720
I'm watching like their kids rob other rooms and I'm

2321
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,039
sitting there fucking like I got at a convenience store

2322
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:29,439
next next to the hotel out in the middle of

2323
02:02:29,439 --> 02:02:32,039
the fucking desert. I had a bottle of gin that

2324
02:02:32,079 --> 02:02:34,520
I was using the clean people's fucking wounds off with,

2325
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:40,159
doing dental flaw stitches, fucking from the accident, drinking fucking

2326
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:43,239
at jello shots and fucking dude, it was what a

2327
02:02:43,279 --> 02:02:48,199
fucking wild time. Scars of Tomorrow helped us out. They came,

2328
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:52,920
They came from California, drove their van out and fucking

2329
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:56,600
literally drove us around for a week until we were

2330
02:02:56,640 --> 02:03:00,239
able to have somebody drive our van and trailer like

2331
02:03:00,279 --> 02:03:02,640
and a new trailer like out so we could finish

2332
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:04,960
the tour because you know, at the time, they weren't

2333
02:03:05,039 --> 02:03:10,560
letting bands do vans because of how much activity it was.

2334
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:12,640
You know, it's like you're you're constantly on the road,

2335
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:15,199
so it's like you had to share a bus, but

2336
02:03:15,319 --> 02:03:17,640
you had to have an RV. We were going to

2337
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:22,439
share a bus with Dragon Force, but our our off

2338
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:26,760
day schedules didn't fit, so we ended up getting it.

2339
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:29,399
So we got an RV and that was probably the

2340
02:03:29,399 --> 02:03:32,279
best sleep I've ever had in my life. But it's

2341
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:35,600
you know, that was party central, that fucking thing, so

2342
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:38,640
it was definitely, uh, it was it was an experience

2343
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:41,479
having an RV, you know, like for that week. We

2344
02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:45,199
ended up getting a new one down the line, you know,

2345
02:03:45,439 --> 02:03:48,199
right after that tour we were out with Uh, we

2346
02:03:48,199 --> 02:03:51,880
were out with Soulfly, and that we had gotten insurance

2347
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:54,720
and everything covered, so we ended up getting another RV.

2348
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:59,000
But man, like just the all the bands on that tour,

2349
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:03,079
he helped us after that accident, like we all split

2350
02:04:03,199 --> 02:04:07,439
up into other buses and everything, like it's uh, you know,

2351
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:09,520
I stole a U haul truck that we had our

2352
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:13,359
gear in and we left it on the fucking side

2353
02:04:13,359 --> 02:04:16,000
of the road once we got our van. It's like

2354
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:20,239
it was. It was wild. I hitchhiked to one show

2355
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:24,000
and I don't know how the fuck I got there

2356
02:04:24,039 --> 02:04:27,279
in time, but it's just wild. Like the dudes in

2357
02:04:27,319 --> 02:04:32,720
a tray. You had two buses, so a trail, and

2358
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:34,880
we were already friends with them, so they let us

2359
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:38,359
crash on one of their one of their buses between

2360
02:04:38,479 --> 02:04:41,199
oh yeah, between all that remains and walls of Jericho

2361
02:04:41,319 --> 02:04:44,079
red cord. They all let us hang out on their

2362
02:04:44,119 --> 02:04:46,840
buses unearthed, let us just you know, to get out

2363
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:48,880
of the heat. Some of those dates were over one

2364
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:52,159
hundred degrees middle of the summer. It's like you're just

2365
02:04:52,199 --> 02:04:56,000
fucking dying. You get your catering, Like you get your catering,

2366
02:04:56,039 --> 02:04:58,039
you get a bunch of cooler with a bunch of

2367
02:04:58,039 --> 02:05:02,279
bags ice, but you get you know, we would get

2368
02:05:02,319 --> 02:05:05,479
because we were a Jaegermeister band. We got I had

2369
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:09,359
my own endorsement with them also, so we get two

2370
02:05:09,399 --> 02:05:12,920
cases of yeager every show. Yeah, so that and then

2371
02:05:14,079 --> 02:05:16,399
you know, we get that, we get all the beers

2372
02:05:16,399 --> 02:05:19,119
that we could fucking drink. Case is a monster and

2373
02:05:19,159 --> 02:05:21,159
everything else. I'm like, I just need water.

2374
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, can we just get a water sponsor please? Yeah?

2375
02:05:24,239 --> 02:05:27,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah. It was It was fucking

2376
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:29,439
it was crazy, but it was a it was a

2377
02:05:29,479 --> 02:05:33,880
great you know, it was definitely. I still have friendships,

2378
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,640
you know from that, Yeah, you know, from from that tour.

2379
02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:41,439
Speaker 2: But that stuff builds friendships, Like touring and dealing with

2380
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:44,560
adversity on the road and everything, well, well we'll build bonds.

2381
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:46,760
Speaker 3: I got to ask you, what.

2382
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:49,760
Speaker 2: Was it like hitchhiking, Like, like, what was the situation

2383
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:52,000
where you ended up having to hitchhike to one of

2384
02:05:52,039 --> 02:05:54,239
the shows, And what was it like explaining that to

2385
02:05:54,279 --> 02:05:55,760
people when they pick you up, Like, no, no, I'm

2386
02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:57,199
really I'm performing at os Fest.

2387
02:05:57,239 --> 02:05:58,039
Speaker 3: I gotta get over there.

2388
02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:04,319
Speaker 4: So I ended up the way it ended up, it

2389
02:06:04,359 --> 02:06:11,039
was an off day and everybody got situated. The the

2390
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:15,439
truck left because we had the Uall truck that went ahead,

2391
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:19,119
and then the van went ahead. I was going to

2392
02:06:19,199 --> 02:06:23,159
stay with a buddy and then they ended up bailing,

2393
02:06:24,279 --> 02:06:26,319
so they were supposed to come for a couple of shows,

2394
02:06:26,720 --> 02:06:30,159
and it was like holy shit. And then I fucking

2395
02:06:30,279 --> 02:06:34,000
I found I think it was my space. I found

2396
02:06:34,039 --> 02:06:36,840
somebody that was going that was driving on the way

2397
02:06:37,359 --> 02:06:39,039
and it was like hey, can you help me? And

2398
02:06:39,079 --> 02:06:41,239
this and that and like well I'm only going this far.

2399
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:44,000
And then I'm meeting other people and I was like, look,

2400
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:48,399
i'll hitchhike. I'll go you know, and it was made

2401
02:06:48,439 --> 02:06:51,800
it to I got Flying J, went to this Flying

2402
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:54,399
J and then fucking that was that. I was like

2403
02:06:54,439 --> 02:06:56,960
all right. I was like we're good, and it fucking hitched.

2404
02:06:57,359 --> 02:07:00,239
It's I've been oil spotted a couple of times where

2405
02:07:01,279 --> 02:07:03,640
I got left, you know, as long as I wasn't

2406
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:06,319
in another country, I wasn't. I wasn't too worried.

2407
02:07:06,439 --> 02:07:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah man, that that's that's so.

2408
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:15,159
But it was probably like like what time did you

2409
02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:17,560
like what kind of time constraint? Like how far did

2410
02:07:17,600 --> 02:07:20,119
you have to hitchhike? Like like was it because I mean,

2411
02:07:20,159 --> 02:07:22,319
because I know some dates can be like, you know,

2412
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:25,560
like twelve hours apart like driving wise like or something like.

2413
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:27,720
Speaker 4: Did you how oh yeah, no, no, like how many.

2414
02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 3: Miles did you have to hitchhike, That's what I mean.

2415
02:07:30,479 --> 02:07:34,760
Speaker 4: Thinking it was it was maybe about it was getting

2416
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:41,640
to Dallas, so I think it was it was about

2417
02:07:42,199 --> 02:07:45,239
from Oklahoma to so it was maybe about four or

2418
02:07:45,279 --> 02:07:48,159
five hours. It wasn't like a full like a full

2419
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:51,439
day drive. Yeah, like it wasn't that bad, but it

2420
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:53,520
was it was still yeah, it was still it was

2421
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:54,399
still rough.

2422
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it still was like I'm just trying to

2423
02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:59,479
think of like who would pick up a dude that

2424
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:01,279
looks like us out on the road, you know what

2425
02:08:01,319 --> 02:08:03,359
I mean, Like I'd be like kind of nervous about

2426
02:08:03,399 --> 02:08:05,079
anyone that would stop, you know what I mean.

2427
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:07,840
Speaker 4: That's why I was like, well, I was like shit,

2428
02:08:08,119 --> 02:08:11,960
like what am I gonna do? You know, It's uh,

2429
02:08:12,039 --> 02:08:14,680
it's happened, you know. And sometimes it's like, hey, you

2430
02:08:14,720 --> 02:08:17,640
want to go to oz Fest? I got tickets, you know,

2431
02:08:18,119 --> 02:08:21,199
and like it was it was a different a different time,

2432
02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:24,039
you know, and especially down in the South, like people

2433
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:29,720
fucking people eat it up, people fucking they they hitchhike.

2434
02:08:29,359 --> 02:08:29,880
Speaker 3: All the time.

2435
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:33,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I've seen them. I think

2436
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:37,880
the most I've ever seen people hitchhiking was in Texas

2437
02:08:38,279 --> 02:08:42,840
or in Arizona, so where I've seen probably the most people,

2438
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:45,239
and I don't know if it's just you know, like

2439
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:49,520
are they real? Are they fucking snake people just trying

2440
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:53,079
to fucking you know, demonic just trying to get in,

2441
02:08:53,159 --> 02:08:56,520
you know, like stay on the road type of stuff, you.

2442
02:08:56,479 --> 02:09:02,800
Speaker 2: Know, skink hitchhiking, Skinwalkers. Oh yeah, there's the title of

2443
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:03,760
this episode.

2444
02:09:05,640 --> 02:09:10,119
Speaker 4: I firmly, I firmly dive in the skin Walkers. Oh yeah,

2445
02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:13,960
I fucking love it. Yeah, I love it. Oh yeah.

2446
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:16,760
Speaker 3: I had a guy on who's Native American that was given.

2447
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:17,119
Speaker 4: Uh.

2448
02:09:17,239 --> 02:09:19,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard that episode. I've not.

2449
02:09:19,079 --> 02:09:21,039
Speaker 2: I'll send it to you. He was getting deep into

2450
02:09:21,039 --> 02:09:24,840
some of the Skinwalker territory and talking about uh friends

2451
02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:27,279
of his that go were they were getting harassed by

2452
02:09:27,319 --> 02:09:28,880
him and stuff like crazy, like.

2453
02:09:29,039 --> 02:09:33,760
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's we we were in We played a

2454
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:36,600
show in Gallot, New Mexico, and it was it was

2455
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:40,880
full blown and it was full blown and uh super

2456
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:45,359
joint ritual. We played this theater and fucking I was

2457
02:09:46,079 --> 02:09:48,399
over at the hotel. It was facing just you know,

2458
02:09:48,439 --> 02:09:50,439
we were on the res so it was just out

2459
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:54,239
you know, like facing desert and mountains and everything. And

2460
02:09:54,319 --> 02:09:58,279
I remember getting yelled at by somebody at the hotel

2461
02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:00,399
because I was whistled.

2462
02:10:01,319 --> 02:10:03,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah and I and.

2463
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,000
Speaker 4: At the time I didn't know. I was like what

2464
02:10:06,600 --> 02:10:09,279
And then they were like no, They're like uh huh.

2465
02:10:09,439 --> 02:10:12,039
They're like that's you don't don't ever do that. And

2466
02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:13,920
I was like, oh, I was like I only heard

2467
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:16,720
you don't whistle in the forest, you know, like I didn't.

2468
02:10:17,079 --> 02:10:19,439
I didn't put two and two together. And I remember

2469
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:22,600
getting fucking shoot out. It was like I was like,

2470
02:10:22,600 --> 02:10:26,920
oh shit, you know, like they were fucking feral about it.

2471
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they get serious about that stuff.

2472
02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:34,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, this is and now you know, now

2473
02:10:34,159 --> 02:10:36,079
I believe it. I believe it fully. Yeah.

2474
02:10:37,239 --> 02:10:39,800
Speaker 3: Well yeah, so what do you got coming up?

2475
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:42,119
Speaker 2: I know you got a U Friday the thirteenth show

2476
02:10:42,119 --> 02:10:45,439
with Brick by Brick at it's that Empire right in Albany.

2477
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:48,640
Speaker 4: That's that Empire. Yep, Empire Live. I got that. We're

2478
02:10:48,640 --> 02:10:52,439
doing a weekend UH with Brick by Brick and UH

2479
02:10:52,479 --> 02:10:57,239
and Internal Bleeding as well. We got Empire on Friday

2480
02:10:57,800 --> 02:11:01,319
Friday at thirteenth, Empire Alive and all. But and that's

2481
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:04,600
that's gonna be a that's gonna be a banger. That's

2482
02:11:04,680 --> 02:11:08,720
gonna be a good one. We're in uh Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,

2483
02:11:08,760 --> 02:11:11,039
and then Baltimore Saturday and Sunday.

2484
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:11,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

2485
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:17,359
Speaker 4: Then in April we've got a little Northeast weekend with

2486
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:20,560
Brick by Brick and Fury of Five, so we'll be

2487
02:11:20,640 --> 02:11:24,039
out that way. Then we work our way out to

2488
02:11:24,119 --> 02:11:28,640
Milwaukee for Metalfest at the beginning of June. And then uh,

2489
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:31,960
we're teaming up with Hoods again for Europe because why

2490
02:11:31,960 --> 02:11:34,399
the fuck not. It's a it's a good time, So

2491
02:11:34,439 --> 02:11:37,479
we'll be out there this summer, and uh, you know,

2492
02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:40,000
that's pretty much what we got booked for Brick by

2493
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:44,680
Brick and for Full Blown. I'm just I gotta finish this,

2494
02:11:44,920 --> 02:11:49,079
uh this production that we're doing, so finish up my

2495
02:11:49,159 --> 02:11:52,439
vocals and then just put out some raw stuff like

2496
02:11:52,479 --> 02:11:55,119
I don't even care, you know about I just want

2497
02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:57,439
to get some tunes out so we could play some

2498
02:11:57,520 --> 02:11:59,960
new tunes. And you know, we're gonna be booking some show,

2499
02:12:00,159 --> 02:12:02,880
doing a couple of weekends. It's just you know, dialing

2500
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:05,600
it in, get it, you know, like kind of wherever

2501
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:07,920
Brick by Brick hasn't had something.

2502
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:11,960
Speaker 2: So with Full Blown, you're recording new stuff, but then

2503
02:12:11,960 --> 02:12:15,199
you're also trying to get a record that got that

2504
02:12:15,279 --> 02:12:17,039
got shelved back to put that out.

2505
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:22,159
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we have a self titled full length that

2506
02:12:22,199 --> 02:12:26,479
we recorded in twenty eleven on Ironclad Records, and that's

2507
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:31,239
Trevor Fips from Unearthed. That's his record label, but it's

2508
02:12:31,439 --> 02:12:35,720
you know, a subsidiary of Metal Blade. So it kind

2509
02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:38,079
of got it got shelved, and I'm trying to get

2510
02:12:38,119 --> 02:12:40,199
it to where at least I could put it out

2511
02:12:40,199 --> 02:12:43,399
for streaming or at least make some vinyls. You know.

2512
02:12:43,439 --> 02:12:45,520
It's like you can find it on YouTube, but YouTube

2513
02:12:45,600 --> 02:12:50,800
quality or for music is just not optimal. You know,

2514
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:53,760
it's not optimal. And it's like the whole album. Yeah,

2515
02:12:53,960 --> 02:12:57,439
you can't really jump around, you know, but it's I

2516
02:12:57,479 --> 02:13:00,439
definitely want to get it for you know, also streaming

2517
02:13:00,479 --> 02:13:03,479
purposes and just just to get the music out, you know,

2518
02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:06,720
do that and then all the new material that you know,

2519
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:10,560
we they're sending me stuff all the time, you know,

2520
02:13:10,720 --> 02:13:13,239
like ideas and this and that. I'm like, holy shit,

2521
02:13:13,479 --> 02:13:16,760
like just each one's a better banger than the last.

2522
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:18,960
And I'm like, you know, and it's like all right,

2523
02:13:19,079 --> 02:13:21,800
you know, and it holds up. You know, it's you

2524
02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:24,520
got to keep creating because once you once you lose

2525
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:28,479
that spark, it's really you know, the snowball effect. It's

2526
02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:31,000
hard to get it started again. But once at least

2527
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:33,039
if you're moving forward, you're going in the.

2528
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:34,720
Speaker 3: Right direction, absolutely, man.

2529
02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:39,239
Speaker 2: And are you working on like another LP or LP

2530
02:13:39,439 --> 02:13:42,319
length or you just just whatever collection of song or.

2531
02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:42,640
Speaker 3: Like an EP.

2532
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:47,800
Speaker 4: I mean we have we have like an LP worth,

2533
02:13:48,399 --> 02:13:53,159
but will probably just you know, slow drip it, probably

2534
02:13:53,199 --> 02:13:57,960
do an EP worth, you know, do four to six songs.

2535
02:13:58,319 --> 02:14:00,399
Speaker 2: That's what's hitting more now is just like people don't

2536
02:14:00,399 --> 02:14:03,039
have the attention span for albums as much as they

2537
02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:05,000
used to, you know, and it's like put out two

2538
02:14:05,079 --> 02:14:07,800
three songs, and you know then then another two three

2539
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:11,039
you know, like like you said, let it thrip out YEP.

2540
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Speaker 4: I think that's what's gonna be the how we're gonna

2541
02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:17,800
probably attack that is just to have something, have something fresh,

2542
02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:21,079
just to put out. I mean it's been fifteen years

2543
02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:24,319
since we've had an album out, and you know in

2544
02:14:24,399 --> 02:14:28,920
that in those fifteen years, Brick by Brick has you know,

2545
02:14:29,439 --> 02:14:31,880
put out you know, it'd be nice to have something

2546
02:14:31,880 --> 02:14:32,840
out at the same time.

2547
02:14:33,039 --> 02:14:36,079
Speaker 2: Yeah to uh, you know, to make your life, to

2548
02:14:36,079 --> 02:14:37,399
make your life even more hectic.

2549
02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:41,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know it's it's yeah, yeah, I already

2550
02:14:41,720 --> 02:14:45,640
uh you know, just from you know the you know,

2551
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:49,880
uh making line business and you know, making mead. It's

2552
02:14:49,880 --> 02:14:52,800
a you know, that's a full time you know. It's

2553
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:55,960
like you have to have passion and you gotta love it,

2554
02:14:56,079 --> 02:14:58,039
you know, otherwise you don't get a good product. So

2555
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,399
you know, it's like like anything in life, you know,

2556
02:15:00,439 --> 02:15:02,680
you have to you got to give it the respect

2557
02:15:02,720 --> 02:15:05,520
it deserves. And the same thing with music, you know,

2558
02:15:05,560 --> 02:15:08,520
if you're just you know, it's not it's not the eighties.

2559
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:10,880
You know. You can't just join a band because I'm

2560
02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:13,119
gonna get girls. Yeah, you know, and I want to

2561
02:15:13,199 --> 02:15:16,960
drink for free. Yeah that's not how it works. Yeah.

2562
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:18,960
Speaker 2: Well fuck yeah, man, where can people find you on

2563
02:15:19,239 --> 02:15:22,119
the social media's and the you know, the websites or anything.

2564
02:15:22,159 --> 02:15:27,000
So if people wanted to find more information, oh man,

2565
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:31,960
lost you again, dude, I will have that information in

2566
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:36,960
the show notes everybody, and thank you for listening through

2567
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:42,159
some of the technical difficulties. And yeah, I'll write another

2568
02:15:42,279 --> 02:15:44,079
banger in the books. I want to thank my man

2569
02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:47,119
Ray for coming on. Had a good time talking to

2570
02:15:47,199 --> 02:15:49,039
him again.

2571
02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:49,680
Speaker 3: Just to remind.

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to Patreon dot com sash Big Truth. And for more

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information on the podcast, just go to Big Truthpodcasts dot com.

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Collective dot com. All these people support me or all

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these you know, some of them are me whatever, You

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know what I mean, and just but support these businesses

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because they're good people and they will hook you up.

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All right till next time, Keep it lot.

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going to the bathroom.

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