WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:08.240 Welcome to Stories of Special Forces Operators Podcast. Listen to 2 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:11.679 some of the bravest and toughest people on the planet 3 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:23.280 share their stories, Sit back and enjoy. 4 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:29.519 Welcome back to everybody. Well, we have another great returning guest, 5 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.079 Bob Keller. He was in the units by the way, folks, 6 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:35.039 you can find more about him at Keller k E 7 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.840 W L E R gammeut GA, m Ut Resolutions, Keller, 8 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:42.000 Gammut Resolutions. You can also go to his website gammut 9 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.240 resolutions dot com. And you can also if you're down 10 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:48.520 in Tampa, Florida, check out Range works now works. 11 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:49.920 As we r X. 12 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.039 So if you're visiting Tampa thinking about visiting Tampa, I 13 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.320 would stop by if I was you so, because today 14 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:57.200 we're going to be learning how to shoot the right 15 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:02.159 way with proven combat shooting technique. Training with Bob Today, 16 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:03.600 we're gonna learn a little bit about that, a little 17 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:05.959 bit about psychology. Hey, do you ever wonder what it 18 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.000 takes to get into the unit. We'll find out more 19 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:09.920 about that as well. Before we get started. To make 20 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.480 sure to share subscribe it they like, but you know, 21 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:14.040 we like it and that's not wasting one time. Welcome 22 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:17.519 to the show, Bob, Welcome back, Bob, what's going on? 23 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:20.040 Thanks for having me back, and I field I feel 24 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:26.439 like I was back ten minutes ago. That's that's right. 25 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:28.400 Come put on another podcast with you. 26 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.879 You know, we just did a podcast folks with John 27 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:35.519 Stryker Meyer the macv SAG probably see him on. Jock 28 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:38.879 o' willick and Bob did a great, great thing and 29 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:41.760 came in to surprise us and visit us. They were 30 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:44.400 just talking highly about the unit. Bob, that's a funny thing. 31 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:46.560 They were just saying, how amazing these guys worrying and said, 32 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:48.560 I'll be damned, I got the guys coming on and 33 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:51.920 then boom there were Yeah, you lit their faces up, 34 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.920 that's for sure. There was like it's like a parties 35 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:57.040 like that time when you had that. Your buddies came 36 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.959 on too. That was like a wild one. Yeah. 37 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:03.599 Those those usually do really well. 38 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:08.879 Yeah, that's the top ten podcasts we've ever had. Yeah, 39 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:10.560 you guys, that was a crazy one. 40 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:13.639 And it really is the way to do it because 41 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:19.639 when it comes to stories like I'm horrible like remembering things. 42 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.759 I mean, so every year it gets worse. 43 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.199 But when you get you had the one guy that 44 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.120 you guys were all crutching on the one guy who 45 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:27.960 remembers everything. 46 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.039 I forgot his name. Yeah, that's Nate. So it's awesome 47 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:33.879 to get, you know, everything, like once a year, twice 48 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.159 a year to do stuff like this because he'll remember 49 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:41.159 the missions and like like, once I hear it, I'll 50 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:42.960 remember it. But I wouldn't be able Like if you 51 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:47.479 just said, you know, talk about six missions drafted bat, 52 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:50.439 I mean, it'll probably take me a week to remember 53 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.039 six missions like all the way through, you know, but 54 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:55.919 you know, Nate, he was one of He's one of 55 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.000 those guys that has a good memory. So it is 56 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:02.919 fun to do, uh, to do these podcasts with multiple 57 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:05.759 guys because that one or two missions you remember, they 58 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:09.000 might not remember, and then once you start talking about it, 59 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:12.680 then everyone remembers it, and you know it's I was. 60 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:14.520 Like, who was the other gentleman? I forgot his name? 61 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:15.319 Sure, Gilly. 62 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:17.919 That was cracking me up on that one because remember 63 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:20.560 Nate was late about twenty minutes and you guys were 64 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:22.360 freaking You're like, oh, the one has. 65 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:26.919 Got the stories and where was Nate exactly? I was like, 66 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:29.639 where the hell is Nate? Yeah, because because Brian he 67 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.599 doesn't have a good memory either, so it's like you 68 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:35.879 gotta have that third or four of the guy that 69 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:36.879 remembers everything. 70 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.719 For the fifteen minutes, it was like, yeah, I remember 71 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.840 what was that? Oh yeah, well who was that? It's like, oh, 72 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:44.960 I was gonna be frustrating. 73 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:48.240 It was funny, I was. We we did another one 74 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:52.360 a couple months ago, and he brought up a story 75 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:54.960 that I had totally forgot about, and so it was 76 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.560 cool for me, Like, as he's talking about I'm like, 77 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:00.520 holy crap. I was like, I do remember that, but 78 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:02.639 I hadn't. I hadn't talked about that one like that 79 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:05.000 one would have been often books forever, you know, I 80 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:08.240 would have never never remembered it. So it was really cool, 81 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.680 you know, to do it again and to hear here 82 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.159 new stuff that. 83 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:18.560 I just totally forgot. How long were you with THEE together, uh, 84 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.399 ten years? That's why you probably wait went fifty missions? 85 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:25.600 Forty missions. 86 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:31.079 It was over eight hundred with with eight. Yeah. 87 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.240 Oh so you're kind of okay, I'm thinking of deployments mostly. Okay, 88 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.160 so you're kind of like you're going on missions like 89 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:38.759 every other week. We'll probably have two a week or 90 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:39.839 three a week or something like that. 91 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:45.000 We'd do to a day to a day. Oh it was, 92 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:47.920 it was crazy. And then that's why I went there. 93 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:52.000 It's like, that's right. Like my SF deployment was my 94 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:54.600 which was my first deployment, was a great, great deployment, 95 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:58.240 great experience. I wouldn't take like if I if I 96 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:00.680 had to do again, I'd go back the same thing, 97 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.480 just different, totally different mission set. So to be able 98 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.560 to say that I was that I actually did the 99 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:10.480 true SF mission overseas, you know, in a combat zone. 100 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.000 But you can't. That's awesome. I wouldn't. I would never 101 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:17.839 go back and change that. But it wasn't that you 102 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.519 weren't doing missions every night, and that would have been 103 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.360 one of those one of those things where it was 104 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:25.639 maybe once once or twice a week, you know, if 105 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:30.439 you were lucky. So like that that first time that 106 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:32.240 I actually got in a gun fight or you know, 107 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:34.399 I actually got shot at and realized that I liked 108 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.639 it and this is for me, this is my life. 109 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:39.319 After that deployment or during that deployment, I was like 110 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:43.600 I wanted more. So that was the one the reason 111 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.399 why I went to the unit. Some people I've heard 112 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:48.160 which I think that was on that last one we 113 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:52.079 talked about or this this not with you, but this 114 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:54.319 last one, I was a Gilly and Natos and this 115 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:56.879 is the first time I'd have heard this. Some guys 116 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:59.560 at the unit like went to the unit because they 117 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:03.160 knew everyone there was the best and it like so 118 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:05.199 if they're going to be in the military and overseas 119 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.160 and they have to fight, they want to fight with 120 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.199 the best people, right, Like it almost made them more comfortable. 121 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.279 So when I heard that, I was like, that's crazy, 122 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.160 Like I had never thought of that. My whole reason 123 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.439 for going to the unit was to get more gunfights. 124 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:22.120 Like that was the only reason I could have cared 125 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:25.279 less if guys were switched on or if guys were 126 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:29.600 you know, like safer and safer to be around. Like 127 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:31.639 I knew that they were getting on, So that's where 128 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:32.240 I wanted to go. 129 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.439 So that's an interesting Yeah. 130 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:39.480 So like going back to like the mission wise, Yeah, 131 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.399 I mean there was some nights or some days, like weeks, 132 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.720 weeks in a row. We're going on two missions a day, so. 133 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.639 We literally we literally touched the tip of the iceberg 134 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:52.000 of your missions. Yeah, we're not even. 135 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:57.360 Close to And that's and That's what's crazy, Like all 136 00:06:57.399 --> 00:06:59.279 the times you go out there, like there's no way 137 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:03.160 and maybe if it was like a traumatic experience for people, 138 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.480 they're going to remember it more, but like for me, 139 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:08.120 it was just a normal job, you know, like if 140 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:10.639 you went out on a mission and nothing happened, well 141 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:13.879 that just flushed from my brain, Like I wouldn't even 142 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.399 wouldn't even think twice about them, right, I'm not going 143 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.399 to remember all of them. But yeah, it's crazy how 144 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.600 like people always like I think, I think people that 145 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.360 are that got there after me, or guys that weren't 146 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:30.720 there during the heat of it, you know, when they 147 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:33.680 hear like eight hundred missions or a thousand missions, like 148 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:35.639 there's no way, there's no way that you were on 149 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:39.800 eight hundred missions or what we call them hits, And 150 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.560 you think about it if you're going out, so you're 151 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:47.079 over there for four months at a time, and you 152 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:51.439 like I have with with the unit twelve I think 153 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.120 twelve deployments with them, so you got to think four 154 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:57.560 months however many days that is, and then you take 155 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.199 that over fourteen fourteen deployments if you add up if 156 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:02.879 you're going on even if you were just going out 157 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:08.399 once a day that quick, and it really and it 158 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.600 comes down to like what troop you're in, what squadron 159 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.519 you're in, do like it's it's eluck thing. It's kind 160 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:13.959 of like win the lottery, like if you get over 161 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:16.879 and you happen to be at that perfect spot you 162 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.720 know for that trip and there's stuff going on, like 163 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.000 it's it's just blowing up, like there's stuff every night 164 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:25.759 to hit. Well, that's the missions start adding up real quick. 165 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:30.160 So I got, I got. I was very fortunate to 166 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:34.360 be the way that I am and wanting those missions, 167 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.120 like to be in the troops and the squadron that 168 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.279 I was that I was in for my whole career. 169 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.720 Or some people, I'm sure we're getting burnt out, you know, 170 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:43.360 like if they're getting over there and then then you're 171 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.279 going out twice twice a night or every every day 172 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.480 that I'm sure some people were like this is stupid. 173 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.759 But to me, I liked it and everyone that I 174 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.960 worked with that I knew it was the same thing. 175 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:57.799 Like it it was never like we have another one, 176 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:05.720 like right, uh yeah, if you're lucky. 177 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.279 I'd say five, five or six if you're lucky, and 178 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:08.720 then it usually was like. 179 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:11.399 Four or five, and Nate and Gilly were with you 180 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.360 most of the time. Yeah, yep, okay, you had one 181 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.360 other guy I think or something you mentioned before. 182 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.799 Yeah, I probably was probably was Bron. 183 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.399 I don't think I've ever done any podcasts with him. 184 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.240 Now you mentioned some other guy. I know there was. 185 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:30.519 There was I don't know if it was him or not. 186 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.120 There was one guy you guys laughed a little bit 187 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:34.240 about because he was kind of I think he came 188 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.080 in at the end or something like that. I can't 189 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:40.039 remember now. Yeah. See, that's why that's why I need 190 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:44.039 two other guys. Well, you know what I'll do. I'll 191 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.159 talk to Sean if you're up for will you do 192 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.720 another one with Sean? That Tier one? He he really 193 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:50.919 admires you guys too. When he was working in Canada, 194 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.000 he was the guy who met on the John Striker Show. 195 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:55.600 So we're doing a lot. We're kind of revisiting a 196 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:59.519 lot of the guys I mentioned before because I used 197 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:01.080 to get a lot of flack. Why are you doing 198 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:04.120 these podcasts? You're not military? And I do it because 199 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.840 I wanted to learn myself, and I look at it psychologically, 200 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.399 it's different. You guys are different. There was no doubt 201 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:11.720 about it. Yeah, And I even show my classes some 202 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.759 of you guys, and I was like, show them, look, 203 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:16.679 look at this guy. But I show him and say, 204 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:20.919 listen to their stories and how resilient people can be. Yeah, 205 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.320 because it blows their mind every time they hear. You know, 206 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:26.919 Ryan Hendrickson, he's the Green Beret that stepped in the 207 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:28.360 I ED and lost his leg. 208 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.600 No, I mean it sounds familiar, but that's that's kind 209 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.200 of a normal last name, so maybe I've heard it before. 210 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.519 Yeah, he stepped in I D lost his leg and 211 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:43.600 they told him you're done, and he got He got 212 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:48.360 deployed again two years later. Yea, which is amazing. It's like, whoa, 213 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:50.639 you actually went back they said, Yeah, they told me 214 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.039 forget it, just hang it up and h. 215 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:55.399 Whoa. 216 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:57.039 That's intense stuff there. 217 00:10:57.799 --> 00:10:58.879 Yeah. 218 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.320 Yeah, so that's kind of revisiting some of these stories. 219 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:02.720 So yeah, it'd be great we can try to get 220 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:05.039 you guys back on again and and have it because 221 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.120 he provides a little bit of a different angle than 222 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.679 I do. I looked at the psychology of it, but 223 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.000 he'll provide more of the operator stuff and he'll say, well, 224 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:13.600 what did you guys do here whatever it is, you 225 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.480 know how it goes. Yeah, that'll be fascinating. 226 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:21.639 But I think the psychology part does come and to 227 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:23.919 play a bit, you know, big, big time. 228 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:28.639 Being to being at or to being at that level, 229 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:32.639 not only operationally, but I mean just just staying there 230 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:35.519 that long, you know, I mean, you got to you 231 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:36.519 have the right mindset. 232 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:40.360 You truly have to love what you're doing, because I 233 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:44.639 mean that the burnout rate would be just would be huge. 234 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:49.600 You're you almost sound like when I when I've been 235 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:51.159 a new cops and I have a lot of cop friends, 236 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.000 and I asked them. I used to ask night. I'm 237 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:55.440 not stupid, so I used to ask the questions like 238 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:59.399 anything stand out in your career? And then it becomes 239 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.480 the exact same situation as you and they're like, yeah, 240 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:05.919 about two thousand things stand out and my career because 241 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.679 every night is about five things. You're like, what the 242 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:09.480 hell happened here? 243 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:13.279 Yep? Exactly that That is kind of how it would 244 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:17.639 be it. Man, if you're talking about they're on Yeah, 245 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:19.840 the stuff that they get to see every single day, 246 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.919 there's no way you can remember everything, right, So yeah, 247 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:25.840 but when it comes to missions, it's it's it was 248 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:29.200 the it was like the Big Ones or you know, 249 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:32.840 where something really bad happened that sticks out. But even 250 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.360 to me, like I just never I never thought of 251 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:39.320 it as a big deal, you know, Like I mean 252 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:42.200 there was it would be funny to have my wife here, 253 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.080 Like there was one where where two guys got shot 254 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.559 on target. One of them was my really good buddy 255 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.200 and are my wife and his wife were good friends. 256 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.519 Well he gets shot, you know, we we send him on, 257 00:12:55.759 --> 00:13:00.840 send them on the bird. They ship off to Germany. 258 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:05.039 You know, to surgery and everything, and like to us, 259 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.519 even though he's my really good buddy, I didn't think 260 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:10.799 anything of it. 261 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.360 I'm just not like that's that's the game that we 262 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.200 played every single time that we go on target. We 263 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.320 can get shot and you accept it, and you accept 264 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:21.919 that anyone else can get a shot. So when someone 265 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.279 gets shot and you've already accepted it, it's not a 266 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:27.480 big deal. It's like we finished the mission, you know what. 267 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:32.559 I went back that night, didn't even think about like 268 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:35.039 calling my wife and saying, you know this, you know, 269 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.759 I'm not gonna say his name, but you know he'd 270 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.080 been shot. Because I didn't think it was a big deal. Well, 271 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.840 it just happened to be, like, my wife called his 272 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:47.200 wife just just out of the blue, and she was like, 273 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.639 I just got a you know, a phone call from 274 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:53.039 you know, the army, and this is what happened. So 275 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.960 now my wife knows that I'm on target with him, right, 276 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:59.399 So she's wondering what the heck happened, you know, she's 277 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:02.840 freaking out, and you know, I'm back there, probably watching 278 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:06.360 a movie, not even thinking twice about it. Well, I 279 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:09.440 happened to call her like that either that night or 280 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:11.480 the next night or a couple of nights later, you know, 281 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:14.679 and she's like, so, did anything, you know, did anything 282 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:18.240 happen last night? And I was like, I don't know why, 283 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.600 you know, like she was acting weird, and then she 284 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.200 was like, I know what happened. She was like, oh, 285 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.639 she was mad that I didn't let her know. And 286 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:30.279 it wasn't that I was trying to hide it. I 287 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:32.039 just didn't think it was a big deal. It was 288 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.879 just another mission. Did you think people people get hurt, 289 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:40.759 people die, people get shot, And that's that might sound 290 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.679 kind of harsh or like, you know, cold hearted, but 291 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.600 that's just how we are, you know. I mean we're not. 292 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.360 We're not gonna dwell on Like if someone dies in 293 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.799 front of us, We're not gonna dwell on that, you know, 294 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:56.120 the next day or or ten years later. I mean, 295 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.039 that's that's the game that we play, that's the game 296 00:14:58.039 --> 00:14:58.960 that we wanted to be in. 297 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:01.840 We use that. It's kind of interesting when you use 298 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.200 that analogy, because that's exactly what you sounded like to me. 299 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:10.039 You sound are you a baseball fan, no basketball fan, 300 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.279 no football? 301 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:14.639 That's not it to me? 302 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:16.200 Like a bay I'm gonna go back to baseball, then 303 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:20.039 forget it, but it's not up to me. Like you're 304 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.720 a baseball player and one of your teammates, Polls is 305 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.399 Pools is Hammy, all right, next you know who's taking 306 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.600 over him? That's about it, Because it sounds like you 307 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:31.440 just kind of not worry about it. Maybe you fall, 308 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:33.039 maybe you don't, you know, I don't know. 309 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.000 I mean I'm not totally coldhearted. I mean, yeah, I 310 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:38.639 don't want people to die, but I'm not that's not 311 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:41.360 gonna affect me. I'm not gonna go back and you know, 312 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.320 cry on my pillow because someone someone got killed or 313 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:47.799 someone got shot. I mean I would think we almost 314 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:49.639 look at it like, hey, now we're down a guy. 315 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.440 You know, now we're down a good guy, and you know, 316 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:54.000 how do we how do we make up for that now? 317 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:59.039 But you almost truly was all about the next mission. 318 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.080 And you almost have to when you can't go on 319 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:03.440 with your mindset wondering about you getting killed next because 320 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.159 that's not going to make you very effective, is it. Nope? Yeah. 321 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.360 So I think that that is the difference between some 322 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.360 people and others is like like a guy like me, 323 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:17.960 I just and that's I don't I don't have I 324 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.960 don't have any problems, you know, mentally getting out because 325 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.879 I just that wasn't that. For one, I was never 326 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:28.279 I was never afraid on any mission. I went on 327 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:31.159 like I didn't go over seas and ever think I 328 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:33.320 don't want to die, Like I just accepted I was 329 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.440 going to get killed. Really from from almost day one 330 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:40.200 of my first deployment, just accept them I'm not coming back. Well, 331 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.399 if you can truly accept that, you're not going to 332 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.960 be scared when when you know when bad things happen, 333 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:47.879 and then you're not going to dwell on them in 334 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:52.240 the past because if if it's a traumatic like scary situation, 335 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.200 I think that's where the what do they call it now, 336 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:00.320 the PTS or pt P. I think of this PTS whatever, 337 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:02.799 like like I can I can see that happening. If 338 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.240 that if that's a scary moment, and then you're replaying 339 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.880 that in your head every single day, Well that's that's 340 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.240 going to affect you, right, But to me, it like 341 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.799 I just the next day, I let it go. It 342 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.200 was the next it was the next day, it was 343 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:20.079 the next mission. Like, I'm not thinking of what happened 344 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.400 on that last mission, like, oh, two guys got shot. 345 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:28.079 It could be me next. I didn't care, so amazing, 346 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.200 which which I think helped me out a lot, especially 347 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.720 now you know, being retired, I don't. I don't. There's 348 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:38.319 no I don't ever. I don't ever look back and 349 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.839 like feel like say o, I'm so I'm so lucky 350 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.599 that I didn't get shot. I didn't get killed nothing ever, 351 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:46.480 because I never I never thought about that when I 352 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:48.640 was there, So I'm not going to think about it now. 353 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.039 Yeah, you're right in PTSD, obviously, it's just different. Everybody's 354 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:58.359 got different upbringings, different storylines, and different ways of thinking, 355 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:02.079 so it affects people differently. I mean we folks, but 356 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:02.759 it's just different. 357 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:08.119 I totally agree, Like I would never I would never 358 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.400 say anything bad about someone that's saying they have it, 359 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.039 but like to me that it was just never never 360 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.599 affected me because I wanted to be in that situation. 361 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:20.000 How many you think in the univer like that quite 362 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:20.279 a bit? 363 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.920 Yeah, yeah, I mean, And it's it's funny there. You don't. 364 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:29.039 You're not friends with everyone. Everyone always thinks like everyone 365 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.240 knows each other. You barely know many people. It's just 366 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:35.039 the people that you actually train with and you go 367 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:38.799 over seas with. And I mean, and that's another thing. 368 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.119 Being fortunate to be on the right troop and the 369 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:46.440 right squadron my whole career, Like everyone I worked with 370 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:50.720 was like minded, like like on like on like how 371 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:53.599 I was. I might be, I might be to the 372 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:58.400 extreme of that, but it was all guys that wanted 373 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:02.160 to be there. That's that's what's so cool like about 374 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:06.759 that place, you know, like in wartime to being being 375 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:11.240 around that many people that that had no fear and 376 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.880 that actually wanted to be there, Like that's that's just 377 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:17.000 awesome stuff that it would have been. It would have been 378 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:22.519 cool to ask what was what was the the the 379 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:25.599 guy's name, oh, John Schriker like it. It would have 380 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.000 been cool to see if if he felt the same 381 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:30.480 way like the guys that he went on you know, 382 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.480 target with every night over in Vietnam, if that was 383 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:37.759 the same feeling, or you know, we're some guys leary 384 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:38.920 of you know, being there. 385 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:41.799 I'm trying to see if we approach that or not, 386 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:45.559 you know what that could be. 387 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:48.000 That'd be that'd be that would be a cool one 388 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:50.559 to see the difference of back then when it was 389 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:53.079 a draft and who you know, we're guys just going 390 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.240 there because they thought it was the best place to 391 00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:58.519 be and that you know that they have a better 392 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:00.920 chance being you know, being on a team with a 393 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.640 bunch of people, but still had fear or was everyone 394 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.559 like like I'm explained, was like how it was at 395 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.359 the unit. It'd be cool. It'd be interesting to see that. 396 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:12.359 Yeah, I think there was a little bit of that. 397 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:14.680 He mentioned sometimes that some of the guys, most of 398 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:16.920 the guys he just said, they didn't think about it. 399 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:18.079 They just did what they had to do and that 400 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:18.839 was the end of it. 401 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:19.720 Yeah. 402 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:21.720 Yeah, one guy I think was one of the first 403 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:24.799 guys he calls a Halo, high altitude low something or 404 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:27.920 other yep, And he was the first guy to do it, 405 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.359 and they were just doing it. It was about the 406 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:33.640 end of it. It wasn't like we know what's going 407 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.480 to happen. It's like, no, they just did it. I 408 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:37.960 was like, really was And I asked him what kind 409 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:39.839 of mindset did this guy have? Because he just didn't 410 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:40.880 give a shit about anything. 411 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:42.119 He just did it. 412 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:44.799 That was the end of it. He didn't worry about it. 413 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:47.920 How is Michael leg gonna hurt my toe, gonna get stuffed? 414 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:48.680 He just did it. 415 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:50.039 That was the end of it. 416 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:52.480 It's like, oh, all right, Yeah, I think a way 417 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:52.839 to do it. 418 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.319 Yeah, it'd be interesting to do a show with I 419 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:59.359 wish I would have been able to jump on earlier. 420 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.799 We can redo that one. I think it'd be a 421 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:04.000 great one to have you, him, you and him on again, 422 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:05.759 and then maybe even Nate and Gilly. We got to 423 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:11.240 get Nate the least speaking remember, and I think that'd 424 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:12.279 be a fascinating show. 425 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.680 I apologize everyone on my memory. 426 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:19.799 I still know some stories, but no, it's all right. 427 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.279 Today it's kind of more of a different more about you, 428 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.200 and I think I like the direction already we're going 429 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:29.200 because the mindset is so different when people ask you. 430 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:32.519 I'm going to ask you this question in a minute. 431 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:34.359 But before I get to ask you that question, I 432 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:36.039 won't see if you've ever heard of that phrase, and 433 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:38.559 see if it resonates in the world of sports, there's 434 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.279 a phrase that says, some people argue whether it's the 435 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.559 athlete that picks the sport or the sport picks the athlete. 436 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:48.960 So ballerinas tend to be long and lanky, So is 437 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.880 it the sport that's actually picking those girls? And the 438 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.119 guys so look like that already or do they turn 439 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.759 into that whatever? But I'm wondering if the unit's the 440 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:00.000 same way, is it the unit that's picking those guys 441 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:02.200 or is it the guy picking the unit? And I 442 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.039 get the funny feeling it might be the unit picking 443 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:05.559 those guys. And in other words, you have to be 444 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.559 a certain mindset to be able to deal. 445 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:10.400 With that, and no one knows. No one knows the 446 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:14.559 secret to that, so I can't talk about like how 447 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.720 they select, which is awesome. I mean, that's like that's 448 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:21.240 like one of the secrets that no one, no one 449 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:24.440 has been told, you know, besides the people that are 450 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:28.079 there's there's only real people at a given time. Yeah, 451 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:32.119 but you still you still have to pick like you 452 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:34.799 And that's that was the difference. That's why to be 453 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:37.359 funny or it'd be cool to see the difference between 454 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.000 like Vietnam and you know, the Special Ops in Vietnam 455 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:44.440 compared to the Special Ops when when I was going overseas, 456 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:49.799 because like when after after a couple of years of fighting, 457 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:54.839 the unit was getting people that had already been overseas 458 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:58.720 and they already realized they liked it, right, They they 459 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:02.559 already knew that they like gunfighter. So the guys that 460 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:05.519 we were getting, you know, are you're they're coming over 461 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:09.079 not because they think it's just because it's a better 462 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:12.000 unit and they and they think it's cool. They're going 463 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.920 there because they know that that's they're they're gonna be 464 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:17.480 getting it on a lot more like they're gonna be 465 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.400 going on way more missions. Right, So, like the vetting 466 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:23.920 process on the guys picking the unit is better because 467 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:28.359 you know, almost almost every single guy after the after 468 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:31.039 like the first four or five years that were coming 469 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:34.200 to the unit, we're going there with experience. So they 470 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.559 had already been in a gunfighter too, they already knew 471 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:40.039 that they wanted more. You know, it wasn't like pre 472 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:43.440 nine eleven when guys were going to the unit. They 473 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.000 were going there like thinking that they that they would 474 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:48.319 like it, but they'd never been in a gunfight. They 475 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:48.839 didn't know. 476 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:52.960 Oh like Somalia's black Hawk down the Operation Gothic Serpent thing, 477 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:54.680 a lot of those guys hadn't gone yet. 478 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:57.640 Right, So so it would have been it had been 479 00:23:57.680 --> 00:23:59.599 harder to pick. It would have been harder to get 480 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:02.920 the right person that's picking the unit because they only know, 481 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:06.039 Like if you've never been in a gunfight, you might 482 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:08.359 think you want to be in a gunfight, but until 483 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:10.559 you actually in a gunfight, you're not gonna know if 484 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:13.720 you like it or not. So after, you know, three 485 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:15.920 or four years after nine to eleven, we were getting 486 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:20.759 people that knew they already liked gunfighting. Interesting, you know 487 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:22.759 what I'm saying. So so it was it was an 488 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:28.599 easier vetting process on the mindset of that compared to 489 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:32.480 Prena eleven. But now, like the unit picking the right person, 490 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.359 no one knows the secret like on on what they're 491 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:40.759 what they're truly looking for, which I think is awesome Yeah, 492 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:43.920 that's that's that's great that you know a guy that 493 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:46.920 like me who had been there ten years, and guys 494 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:49.599 that have been there fifteen twenty years, if they weren't 495 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:53.720 in that position of the you know, to know what 496 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:57.079 they're selecting for no one else, which is which is cool. 497 00:24:58.039 --> 00:24:59.400 It's a great secret. 498 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.279 By the way, folks, again we're talking to Bob Killer. 499 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.799 Can learn more about him at Gamut Resolutions gamut resolutions 500 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.480 dot com. Also, if you're down in Tampa, Florida, can 501 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.640 check out Range Works WRX and see what's going on 502 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:14.960 down there, because we're gonna be you know what. It 503 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:16.400 is kind of a I don't know if you know, 504 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:17.680 probably not because I haven't talked to you for a 505 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:20.759 little bit. But I'm getting another doctor in an exercise 506 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:24.279 science and I'm seeing a lot of overlap here. And 507 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.119 what I mean by that is it might take about 508 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:28.279 ten second twenty seconds for me to collaborate on this. 509 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:31.920 But what I'm seeing is the mentality you're describing right now. 510 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.640 I can see the benefit it has for you. In 511 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:37.480 other words, if you're not worried about getting shot, if 512 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.440 you're not worried about dying, you're only worried about one 513 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:44.319 thing winning this gunfight. Yep. That really takes a lot 514 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:47.119 of distractions out because just like a baseball player, an 515 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.759 athlete or mixed martial artists. I'm a big fan of UFC, 516 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:53.839 if they're worried about getting hit, they're worried about getting mounted. 517 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:56.039 Now they got two things operating. 518 00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:56.960 Yep. 519 00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:58.559 So am I right on that there is the same 520 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.519 thing for you guys, Absolutely, Yeah, because I can't send 521 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.559 that effective for you if you're worried about getting shot. 522 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.839 Yeah, it's man and being on target, especially like once 523 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:12.480 you get into like the two I se second in 524 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.160 charge or first in charge team later like you're making 525 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.359 judgment calls, right, So you can't be on target worrying 526 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.880 about getting shot. Like you got to be thinking about 527 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.000 the situation in front of you, which is the gunflight. 528 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.160 You know, where your guys are gonna go, what door 529 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:27.680 you're gonna go, where you're gonna send your guys. So 530 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.400 there's a lot of thinking involved on being on target. 531 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.000 So yeah, if you take the fear out of it 532 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:34.559 and you can just it's like it's kind of like 533 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.640 playing a game, right and you're you're calling plates. But 534 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.960 if you can do that calm and not having to work, 535 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.440 you know, not having that fear. It definitely makes it easier. 536 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.920 Absolutely absolutely applies. 537 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:48.799 I don't know if you train that. I'm thinking of 538 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:51.079 the back of my head. Have you used anything like 539 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:54.240 that for your training when you train individuals? Obviously more advanced, 540 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:56.240 But do you say, all right, we're gonna have a 541 00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:58.359 guy over there, he's gonna be shooting red pellets at 542 00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:01.039 you while you're trying to hit the target and you're moving. 543 00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:03.200 So now you have somebody moving and somebody getting worried 544 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:04.759 about getting hit with the target. And if you get 545 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:06.200 hit with the target, you're out. We move to the 546 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:07.920 next person. Have you done that before? 547 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:10.079 Yeah, well not not in my training. 548 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:10.319 I don't. 549 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:14.039 I don't do any SIMS stuff where it's semunitions being shy. 550 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:19.079 Not that that's a bad thing, but but it is easy. 551 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.319 Like I do a class which I got another one 552 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.279 coming up in the September. It's called Shooting Save and 553 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.079 it's it's medical training along with shooting. But at the 554 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.519 end of the second day we actually put the guys 555 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:36.319 whose scenarios whether now they're doing like live fire with 556 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.319 other people shooting around them live fire, and then they're 557 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.119 we're incorporating the med stuff into it, and that's where 558 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.720 it is. It's interesting to watch because I'll do all 559 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.279 the shooting stuff, and then I bring another company in 560 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.359 to do all the med stuff, and like I'll see 561 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.839 guys that are just switched on, like on the shooting 562 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.279 side right Like you can tell this guy's he knows 563 00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:59.960 what he's doing, like on the you know, weapons hand 564 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.720 lane and shooting, and then you you put them into 565 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:07.680 a live fire scenario med like med scenario, and and 566 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.279 guys just shooting right next to him and then all 567 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.200 of a sudden, you're like, all right, you're right leg shot. 568 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.480 And then and then after he puts the turn to 569 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.799 get on, you're like, all right, now that the mannequin 570 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.799 has a sucking chess wind or something, you know. And 571 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.920 to watch these guys that were switched on shooting to 572 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.480 now just totally fall apart because their mind is now 573 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.319 thinking of something else. It's it's pretty interesting to see 574 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.319 h like not being able to stay calm. And they 575 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:39.559 know it's training, it's not real keep, but people really 576 00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.079 get into it, like really get into it, and they're 577 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.319 so worried about the med stuff and us yelling at 578 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:47.839 him saying, you know, this is happening, and then you 579 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.519 got you got threat left right right, and now they're 580 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.920 trying to make shots and they're still thinking about what 581 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.400 they were supposed to be doing to the to the patient. 582 00:28:55.960 --> 00:29:00.400 Like it basically all everything falls apart, which is it's 583 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.599 it's but it's cool for them to see that, you know, 584 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.119 like what they were doing perfect on the flat range 585 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.400 when all they had to do is think about the 586 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.119 shooting to now only have to think about multiple things, 587 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:15.279 multiple like med stuff and shooting and people shooting around them. 588 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.799 It's a it's a good eye opener for people to 589 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.759 be Holy crap, I would have never thought it was 590 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:25.119 that stressful, you know, when you incorporate other things than 591 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:25.839 just shooting. 592 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.079 So does it end for them? In other words, is 593 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.480 there like an object an objective in the sense of 594 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:34.400 you got to this guy and then. 595 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.079 Yeah they got yeah, and we I mean, it's it's 596 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.480 basically just a lane. So like the mannequins are out 597 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.200 in front, they have to go to go to get 598 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.200 the mannequins. They kind of got to come up with 599 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.519 their own plan because we send them as a team. 600 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.200 And then they once they get the mannequins back and 601 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.519 everyone's treated, then we we index from there. 602 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.440 But can they get ended if they get shot themselves, 603 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.160 and that's it so if they failed the mission. 604 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:58.599 No, it's not like a mission. I mean, it's just 605 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.079 it's it's literally just the lane. But I mean, like 606 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.039 if like I'll be in charge of the shooting guys, 607 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.559 like the guys that are shooting, so I'll be like, 608 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.680 they'll have barriers where where they're bringing the mannequins to 609 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.920 the treatment, you know, and if someone if I say 610 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.759 threat left, and two guys pop out from behind cover 611 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.119 and start shooting when they could have used the cover, 612 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.359 Like I'll just say, okay, now your left arm shot 613 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.960 or your left leg shot because you weren't shooting behind cover. 614 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.920 You know. But that's the stuff people don't think about, 615 00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:31.079 like because and that's it's it's kind of it's kind 616 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:34.279 of can because no one's shooting back at them, so 617 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.559 you know they will, they'll they'll pop out behind cover 618 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.759 when they probably wouldn't if it was live. But you 619 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.400 never know that they don't even think about it. Like 620 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.480 sometimes I'll say your left leg shot and here's the 621 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:49.079 reason why, and they they don't even realize that they 622 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:50.759 weren't shooting from behind cover. 623 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.240 That's interesting. It's kind of like sometimes it sounds like 624 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.960 mixed martial arts. You do, any martial arts that you did, 625 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.920 I did, yeah, boxing or something I did. 626 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.960 I ended up ended up doing pretty much nothing butt boxing, 627 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.880 so I was I would say I got pretty big 628 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:13.440 into Brazilian jiu jitsu and then did I would say 629 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.759 I got the unit more of the mixed martial arts, 630 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.200 like combining both. But my just from all the grappling, 631 00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:25.240 my elbows were just totally shot. Yeah. I mean we 632 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:26.799 would get to the point where I couldn't even shake 633 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.599 someone's hand, okay, and I couldn't hold a pistol. So 634 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.279 I stopped grappling and just went to straight up, you know, 635 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:34.240 stand up boxing. 636 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.880 Well, the reason I say is because the analogy seems 637 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.400 similar to when people are learning how to box and 638 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:41.160 they're trying to teach them how to throw a punch, 639 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:42.519 and they throw a punch, but then they leave their 640 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:43.960 hand down when they throw the punch, and they may 641 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:45.759 tag them a little bit on the face. Hey keep 642 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:47.200 your hand up, keep your hand up, And they're like, 643 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.319 we'll go back to the punching, and kind of get 644 00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:53.319 like that, and I'm showing the motion folks where my 645 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.319 left is supposed to cover my face while I'm throwing 646 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.000 the right cross and people drop the left and then 647 00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.200 they get tagged by the instruction. That's a good instruct right, 648 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.680 I think, because they're saying keep your hand up, and 649 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:04.759 the kind of the same thing with yours because you've 650 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.559 added so much extra stress stress And you said, people 651 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:09.279 don't look to think about the guy popping up on 652 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:12.680 the left fascinating, so when if that guy pops up. 653 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.599 But that's that's a good example of like doing the 654 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.319 basics over and over. Yeah, because if you're training on 655 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.000 boxing and doing that throwing those punches and having your 656 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.400 left hand or right hand up to protect your head, 657 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.559 you do that thousands and thousands of reps, even when 658 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.920 you're not thinking straight, that's still going to come into play, right, 659 00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.880 So same it should happen. And same thing with shooting. 660 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:41.400 So it's like people have said, a lot of people 661 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:46.480 have said, like the unit is the masters of perfecting 662 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.359 the fundamentals of the basics, and that is true. You 663 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.960 do the right thing thousands or hundreds of thousands of times. 664 00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:57.480 Eventually when it comes time to doing it for real, 665 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.119 just kind of take over, and that that leads into 666 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:06.039 gunfighting or like CQB, a close scores battle. If if 667 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.160 all the stuff with my hands and my and my 668 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.759 gun is straight up on autopilot, when I get into 669 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.039 a gunfight, my brain can be thinking of the situation 670 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:18.440 in front of me. It doesn't have to worry about 671 00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.119 getting into a good stance or getting into a good grip, 672 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:22.880 or getting my hands where they need to be, or 673 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.160 you know, working the selector switch, or getting my finger 674 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:28.559 on the trigger where it needs to be, pulling the 675 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.480 trigger properly to the rear, you know, resetting properly that 676 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:34.440 I don't have to think about that if I've done 677 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.440 hundreds of thousands of reps the correct way, so all 678 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:42.000 that in a gunfight is this on autopenet. So my 679 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.839 brain can one hundred percent be focused on the situation 680 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:46.400 in front and that's how it needs to be. 681 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.440 That's awesome. I guess the question now would be, we 682 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.359 know with boxing, obviously you can go do it three 683 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.359 or four times a week, what would you recommend for 684 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.920 somebody who's in a higher level like that, How often 685 00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:00.359 should they be trained situations like that well? 686 00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:04.799 Or just or just shooting like the like the fundamentals 687 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:05.839 and the basics. 688 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.039 The fundamentals and the basics, and then. 689 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.440 Also that's all it is. I mean, it's crazy people 690 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.199 every and I don't I get it for like the 691 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:17.280 normal civilian they like once they do the basics, like 692 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.719 some people realize, Okay, I need to start with the basics. 693 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.960 But then after a year or two year, two a 694 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.679 couple of years of doing the basics, like I want 695 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.480 to do the cool stuff, right, So then they end 696 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.800 up going to like the cool guy classes and doing 697 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.320 the running gun and stuff. And there's nothing wrong with that, 698 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.079 but it's truly just perfecting the basics. So even though 699 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.119 it's boring and that's what I do in my classes, 700 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:47.960 like like I I'm kind of like the people have said, 701 00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:53.199 like I'm the known as like the boring instructor, like 702 00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.119 like I and I would never I would never change 703 00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:58.880 that because I know that that's what works, even though 704 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.079 it's not the fun sex stuff. It's it's like that. 705 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.519 I never I never did any like cool guys stuff 706 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.960 at the unit john Wick stuff by myself. No, not 707 00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:13.679 one time did I do that when I when I 708 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.480 would go shoot the range by myself and we would 709 00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:20.480 we would definitely do like the running gun and stuff. 710 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:25.559 We do the vehicle stuff me included. But ninety ninety 711 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:26.960 five percent of my training when I went to the 712 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:32.159 range by myself, straight up basics, just over and over, 713 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.679 year after year after year. It's the only thing that matters. 714 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.480 Isn't there a picture with you holding an oozy sideways 715 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:41.400 shooting that. 716 00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:45.239 Wasn't I'm sure I have a video out there like that. 717 00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:50.800 Now with a nowadays, you're probably do Yeah, it's funny. 718 00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:52.880 When you see some of these videos with the gang members. 719 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.960 That's not the funny part, but you see them shooting 720 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:56.920 the gun and it's kind of clocked to the side, 721 00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:57.719 and you're kind of like. 722 00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:01.960 Oh, yeah, what you're doing. It's all theatrics and and 723 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.519 it sits again going back to like what people see 724 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.199 in movies and they think that's the cool stuff, and 725 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.840 that's what they want to do. If you want to 726 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.679 be a good gunfighter, you do the basics. Hundreds and 727 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:14.280 hundreds of thousands of times. 728 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:18.079 It sounds like you're agreeing with Wyatt Earth when Wyatt 729 00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:19.760 says to win a gunfight, you have. 730 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.360 To be someone There are multiple people have sent me 731 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.159 some video that has gone kind of viral. I guess, yeah, 732 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:29.920 and it was, and I listened to it. I was like, Yeah, 733 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.119 that's exactly, that's that's how I was. 734 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.760 Nothing, calm, collected a sure hand. That's the only way. 735 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.280 You don't have to be fast, just has to be 736 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:40.559 accurate and calm. 737 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.360 Yeah. So I totally agree with that, And it's it's 738 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.559 cool to hear that from you know, like way back when, 739 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:49.840 like he realized that that's the only thing it matter. 740 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.480 So that's amazing because when I look at it, when 741 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:55.360 I listen to your story now and listen to what 742 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.440 you're talking about again, it goes back to that mentality 743 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.000 you had you didn't worry about that allowed you to 744 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.960 stay calm within there. Did you also notice and sports 745 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.800 they'll call it flow, they'll call it time dilation where 746 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.519 everything slows down? Did you notice that and your gunfights 747 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:13.840 were slow and downs? You can concentrate, No, nothing at all. 748 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.760 I've been asked that tons of times, and I've heard 749 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.639 of other people saying that. I don't know if they're 750 00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.440 just saying that because they've heard that that was the thing, 751 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.880 and then they think that they need to say that, No, 752 00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:29.400 that that never happened to me on target really like 753 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.920 to where everything just slowed down and like everything was 754 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:37.719 clear as no, I mean everything was clear. I mean 755 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:41.719 it wasn't. There was it was one percent. Never even 756 00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:45.679 came close to panic thing or or being stressed out. 757 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:49.880 But yeah, I've never had that like what people have said, 758 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:54.880 like everything just slows down. It's like it's on slow 759 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.519 mow or something that never happened to me. That could 760 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:02.599 happened to other people, but to me, no, And. 761 00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:04.079 I don't mean to be too personal, but I know 762 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.480 as I do these interviews. We also have a series. 763 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.559 I do a lot of podcast folks, but there's another 764 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.239 podcast I'm doing. We're doing a health series. I'm interviewing 765 00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.760 doctors from all kinds of fields and we had a 766 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:18.320 vision doctor talking about myopia. But I'm also interviewing athletes 767 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.760 and athletic terrainers and stuff. And it's kind of interesting 768 00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.800 because athletes are really different, not the same as everybody. Again, 769 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.519 I really think sometimes the sport picks the player and 770 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.519 they got stronger feet, They have bigger feet, sometimes stronger 771 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:33.920 big to which is a big thing in the athletic world. 772 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.159 But one of the things I learned and I'm wondering 773 00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.960 about you is a lot of athletes, especially in baseball, 774 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.519 didn't just have twenty twenty. There was a study done 775 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:44.239 in Japan in here where a lot of the number 776 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.840 one hitters had twenty fifteen, twenty ten, and people just 777 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.800 never hear that, and I'm wondering, did you have twenty 778 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:52.559 twenty or better? Better? 779 00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.519 That's so funny that you wrapped that up because I've 780 00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:01.360 been saying that now. I never and that never even 781 00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:05.760 occurred to me that that was a big thing. And 782 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.519 then the last couple of years. It's funny that you 783 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:12.119 said that because so you've you've is like a proven 784 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:16.599 thing that better people are just like the best athletes 785 00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:18.519 have better vision. 786 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.440 I don't know about all the athletes. We have one 787 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.159 right now. We're asking at an institute that studies athletes 788 00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:26.159 in different capacities and they have an eye area. But 789 00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:27.960 we know what the batters, there's a lot of them 790 00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:31.599 that are showing that that Ichro Suzuki was one that 791 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.880 was being done. I interviewed his trainer. Echro Suzuki was 792 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.679 the famous Japanese baseball player for the Yankees, and his 793 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.639 vision was like twenty twelve or twenty fifteen, but once 794 00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:42.440 he got to about forty, it started to go to 795 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.760 twenty twenty. And the reason being he couldn't pick up 796 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.840 the laces of the ball. Let's just split second. That 797 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.079 ball is coming at you a ninety plus, so you 798 00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.239 have to pick it up. And so I'm kind of 799 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.719 curious about it because I'm getting the funny feeling everything 800 00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:56.480 else is different. 801 00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:58.960 I totally agree that. So in the last couple of 802 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.440 years since I've been lose see my vision and it 803 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.719 and it does suck. Now I'm fifty years old now 804 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.639 and and I i've been I've been saying, like, I 805 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:12.079 think that's the key, like to being a better operator 806 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:16.000 or a better athlete, is all eyes. What did you 807 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.400 say which I would have never thought that when I 808 00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:21.360 was there because I had that perfect vision, not that 809 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.639 I was saying, not that I'm saying I was the best, 810 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:29.039 but I think that helped me. What did you think 811 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.440 or made me or made me better than others? 812 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.320 Why would you say that? Do you think it was 813 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:33.840 able to say? 814 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:40.159 Yeah, I mean, I'm just now that now that I 815 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:43.960 don't have that perfect vision like I did, like I 816 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:47.480 am slower at doing things like I mean, you just 817 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.039 you can't like especially being like operation. Like I mean, like, 818 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.079 I think another thing is that now that I've been 819 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.360 thinking about the whole eye thing and like what what 820 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.559 does make people the best? I do think think it's 821 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.679 like one of one of the biggest ones would be eyes, 822 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:05.679 and then after that it's like I think balance is 823 00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.639 a huge deal too. People that have really good balance 824 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:13.320 are better. Maybe not on athletic side, but like operator side, 825 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.880 that's a huge deal. So like I this good eyes 826 00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.400 and a really good sense of balance. I think is 827 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:26.199 the difference of like a good operator and a great operator. 828 00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:28.079 Why the balance? Where's the cup to play? 829 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:32.519 For you guys, it's just like just all the and 830 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:35.840 not I wouldn't say like shooting wise, but just everything, 831 00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:37.840 like the agility that we have to have, like on 832 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.880 target and getting there faster and getting around things and 833 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:44.599 getting up and over things like I and I could 834 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:49.360 be way out way out there, But I'm like about, 835 00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.599 like what was the difference? And I think for me 836 00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:55.119 it was it was eyesight and balance and then everything else. 837 00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:57.119 You still got to be athletic. You still gotta have 838 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.320 great cardio, You're still gotta have really good endurance, you 839 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.599 gotta have speed, you gotta have strength, you know, to 840 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.400 being the best of the best. But I mean just 841 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.000 just in the last couple of years, I was thinking 842 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.480 about it, like what what was the difference to me? 843 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.519 I think it was iSight meunce. It's interesting good balance, 844 00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.039 just I don't know how to explain it, just like 845 00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.360 overall balance on just everything you're everything you're doing. 846 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:24.880 You don't see if I can do it for you 847 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.079 a little bit, because I know in the athletic world 848 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.119 they have is what they call speed, agility, and quickness. 849 00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.280 So speed is running lineally, so I've got to run 850 00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.639 from this humvy right straight behind that building for cover. 851 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.519 Agility means I gotta start dodging these things. And then quicknesses, ope, 852 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.079 I got a response back here. I got to turn 853 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.920 around fire, and then poof, I got to react to 854 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.440 this thing, so kind of like a receiver wide receiver 855 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:48.320 kind of reacting. So those three I can see those, Yeah, 856 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:51.880 I can see those definitely applying for you. So those 857 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.079 three things you think too, right. 858 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:55.440 It's funny though, with the I st that you mentioned 859 00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:01.360 that because I have been thinking about that a lot. Yeah, 860 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:06.840 so I totally agree, Like, really good eyesight is the 861 00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:07.719 difference what. 862 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:13.639 About and find motor skills if something else is going 863 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.599 to be something I haven't explored yet, but I have 864 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:18.480 seen some athletes have better mind, find motors more sensitive. 865 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.679 Yeah, well, I think, like like for precision shooting, that'd 866 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.719 be a thing, But like for like assault type stuff, 867 00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:28.519 I don't think that that would be that big a 868 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:29.440 big a deal. 869 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:30.679 Ok I. 870 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.000 When it came down to like tostaddress you shots, like 871 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:39.400 precision shooting, especially with the finger like that tigger finger, 872 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.039 that would that would come into play. But like assault shooting, 873 00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.239 like fast, fast shooting, big target, I don't think that's 874 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:47.639 that that big a deal. When it comes to the 875 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:48.840 operator wise. 876 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.440 It's fine. As we were interviewed in Mike Big Song, 877 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.840 he's coming back next week a different guy than John, 878 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.639 And I remember the story he was talking about when 879 00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.480 he was the first time ever deployed. He was in 880 00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.480 the helicopter and he was getting ready to land in 881 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.559 Vietnam somewhere, and all of a sudden, he was about 882 00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:06.440 he told you, like ten feet away from the ground 883 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.440 and he's getting dropped off by the helicopter. All of 884 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:10.119 a sudden, these guys popped out of the bushes and 885 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.960 started firing so they started firing, and then they hit 886 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:14.519 the guy next to him, and he's, you know, he's 887 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.239 helping him get back into the helicopter and blood all 888 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.119 over his hands, and he starts telling me because he's 889 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.800 he's got a doctor in psychology too. Now it's kind 890 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.679 of funny, but he said, you know, I try to 891 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:29.079 grab my I think it was amazine. I tried to 892 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:30.840 grab it. I couldn't do it because my hands were 893 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:32.920 so bloody and my fine motor skills were rocked because 894 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:36.320 I was so nervous. He was like twenty one, twenty 895 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.559 two years old, and I'm trying to grab this thing 896 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:42.000 and I'm getting shot at. I couldn't do it. What 897 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:43.960 kind of made me think about the fine motor skill? 898 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.760 Do you notice that all with people you train, people 899 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.280 who maybe get leery because of the sound of the gun, 900 00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:50.800 worried about the gun. 901 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:55.280 Well ye having issues? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean by 902 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:59.079 people that aren't that don't shoot a lot, and that 903 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:04.880 aren't confident like with they're with with their weapons handling skills. Yeah, 904 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.719 that's a huge deal. And that's that's probably the biggest thing, 905 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.320 one of the biggest things. I uh that that I 906 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:14.199 want you to get out of one of my classes 907 00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:19.159 is becoming more confident. And that's what confidence in in 908 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.760 weapons handling. So like after two days, two days of 909 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.960 two days of a class that you're with me, or 910 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:27.800 if you come back to their class it's a five 911 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.800 day class. I'll always say it to begin in the class. 912 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.280 One of the one of the three things that I 913 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:37.199 really want you getting out of my class is becoming smarter, safer, 914 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:38.079 and more confident. 915 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:41.039 Let's see the confidence. 916 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.639 Part and like, and the confidence thing is is a 917 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.159 huge huge deal people don't have, like just taking all 918 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.039 the people out there in America that have concealed carry 919 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:54.760 proments that that carry daily that don't actually have the 920 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.119 confidence that they can that that they can make a 921 00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.920 hospitalsue shot or that they can actually manipulate that gun proper. 922 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.440 So it was a lot I feel that is that's 923 00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.320 you know, not only the shooting and accuracy. I definitely 924 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.639 want you getting that out of my class, but just 925 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.360 after two days of the drills that I'm putting you through. 926 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.559 It it's after those two days you should feel like 927 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.480 I can control these guns, like I do know what 928 00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:23.400 I'm doing right, So yeah, you're not fidgit and you're 929 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.800 not you're not second guessing yourself and you put your pistol, 930 00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:28.639 You're you're bringing your rifle up. It's a it's a 931 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:33.800 huge deal. Like confidence in a gunfight was almost everything. Wow, 932 00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:36.880 if you don't have if like if you if you're 933 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.480 going if you're going into a gunfight because you're in 934 00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.679 the military, and you second guess yourself or you doubt yourself, 935 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.159 or if you're a concealed carry person you're carrying a 936 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.719 pistol and you you leave the house that day and 937 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.320 you're questioning if you can make a host rescue shot 938 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.639 fast enough. You think you're going to be a good gunfighter, 939 00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.840 You're gonna suck, right. You You have to know when 940 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:03.280 you leave that house. And that's where training comes into play. 941 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.079 You train enough to where you have that confidence to 942 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.559 know when you leave your house, if I get in 943 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.159 a gunfight, I can definitely be fascinated. I can definitely 944 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:17.159 be accurate enough to not shoot a friendly And that's 945 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.679 so that's the confidence you have to have. So those 946 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:22.679 those three things are like the biggest thing I want 947 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.480 to get out of any class that you come do 948 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:24.800 with me. 949 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:27.280 Let me ask you this, Bob and again, we're talking 950 00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:28.840 to Bob Keller. You can find more about them at 951 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.639 gammut resolutions dot com, g a m ut resolutions dot com, 952 00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:36.760 or Killer Gammut Resolutions over on Instagram. For down to 953 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:40.039 Tampa near Tampa, want to fly to Tampa, you check 954 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:44.440 out range Works w r X w rx X range Works. 955 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.039 Let me ask you this, Bob again, another analogy, but 956 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:48.320 this time we're going to go over to the mixed 957 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.639 martial arts I've talked to. I've interviewed a lot of 958 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.800 black belts in jiu jitsu and some coaches from fights, 959 00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:56.639 and it's interesting to me. I wish you gout Don 960 00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:00.960 fry On here, but it's interesting to me about one 961 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.320 of the things I hear them say a lot is 962 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.760 people come in here thinking they already know how to fight, 963 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.760 even though they don't know how to fight. Is one 964 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:10.679 of those challenges. And I'm thinking, do you have the 965 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.760 same thing or people saying, well, I'm show me a 966 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.039 couple of tricks. I got this down already. Yep. 967 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:22.880 It's really oh. I every I would say, every single class, 968 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.400 like you have you have people coming that like I've 969 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:31.440 been I've been shooting guns for thirty years, like I 970 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:32.400 I know what I'm doing. 971 00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:33.440 Yeah, and. 972 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.039 I think that's I'm a I'm a pretty good instructor 973 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:39.719 when it comes to like I'm never gonna look at 974 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:41.360 someone that says, hey, I've been shooting for thirty years. 975 00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:44.760 I'm gonna be like, oh, you don't know shit, right, Yeah, 976 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.320 I'm gonna treat everyone equal, but like I'm gonna show 977 00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:51.119 them the drills that I not that I think that 978 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.519 I know, you should be proficient at to know what 979 00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:57.079 you're doing in a gunfight. And then you know, like 980 00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.920 those those those people that come and thought that they 981 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.320 were proficient, like they've been shooting for thirty forty years, 982 00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:06.000 they know what they're doing, you know, just after a 983 00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:10.039 two day class, they'll they'll they'll come like after the class, 984 00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.480 couple come up to me like like I am, I 985 00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:16.599 had no idea like where I should have been, you know, 986 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.599 like on gun handling and my proficiency, my speed, my 987 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:25.880 accuracy on targets. So yeah, I see it every class. 988 00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.440 I mean it's crazy. So yeah, like people that would 989 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.840 come and say that they can fight, you know, and 990 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.920 then you're actually fighting against someone who does it for real. 991 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:39.400 It's it's gonna be a big eye over right, the 992 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.440 same thing, same thing I see in classes. 993 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:45.000 Absolutely, so it's almost better. It sounds like to go 994 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:46.480 in there with a blank slate, or at least the 995 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:47.719 mentality of blank slate. 996 00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:51.599 Yeah yeah, yep, which which most people. I mean. I 997 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.920 think I'm fortunate to being an instructor coming from where 998 00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:00.159 I came from. Like, people know my background. Even if 999 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:03.360 they even if they think they know better, they're still 1000 00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:07.480 gonna listen, you know. Like it's not like going to 1001 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:11.480 instructor that has no gun fighting experience, you know. So 1002 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:16.159 I'm kind of lucky in that aspect. But still I 1003 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.039 would never even if someone even if someone was questioning everything, 1004 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:20.360 I'm not. I don't know, I'm not one of those 1005 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:21.920 guys that are gonna be like, hey, shut up and 1006 00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:25.199 go to the corner, you know, go to the corner. 1007 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:27.079 This is the way that I've done it. That's kept 1008 00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.559 me alive for fourteen deployments and over one thousand thousand 1009 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:32.840 hits because the eight hundred were just at the unit 1010 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.440 and I had the other ones at the SF. So 1011 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:40.440 I have experienced, right, and I've actually been in hundreds 1012 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:46.079 of gunfights, so it's I have the pedigree to help 1013 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:49.199 me as an instructor for people to listen, you know, 1014 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:51.840 which would be the same thing if you were going 1015 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.239 if you were going to go go to a class 1016 00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:56.440 with a boxer that had never been in the ring, 1017 00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.320 like he he learned all his boxing from a book 1018 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:06.119 and from watching videos, right Like, You're not gonna listen 1019 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.760 to him as much as someone who's who has who's 1020 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:13.159 been in a hundred actual fights, right has a sex pack. 1021 00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:16.760 It's kind of the same thing with with with like 1022 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:17.760 the shooting industry. 1023 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:24.039 Let me ask you this, I guess society wise, I 1024 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:26.400 would deem it so important for cops to come to 1025 00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:28.800 see you because these guys are going to get into 1026 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.119 these things. They're the ones who really probably going to 1027 00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:32.800 get into it, and they get the least amount of training. 1028 00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:36.920 Yep. And that's the majority of my classes are l 1029 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:41.440 E classes or agencies or military. I mean, I do 1030 00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:46.239 a ton of opener owning classes, but the majority of 1031 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:51.199 my classes are and those are the. 1032 00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.039 I would say, those are the ones that are smart 1033 00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:57.519 enough to know that there's other there's other means out there. 1034 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.639 Especially on the SWAT side. A lot of WAT teams 1035 00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.320 think they know better and the way that they've been 1036 00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.639 trained that's the way they're going to do it. But 1037 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.000 the smart ones are like, hey, there's probably other people 1038 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:12.000 out there that have done you know, been a ton 1039 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.280 more gunfights that we've been into. Like let's see a 1040 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.960 different method, let's see a different way of training that'll 1041 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:19.519 hit me up. 1042 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:24.079 And that's so it's it's awesome doing classes for those guys. 1043 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.239 What was how did you? How did you start off 1044 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:29.880 the question because there was something I was going to 1045 00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:33.559 say about Ellie society. So then the other thing you see, 1046 00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:37.400 excuse now my. 1047 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:39.880 Bad habit tobacco. 1048 00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:45.880 Yeah, it's very it's very interesting to see. So you 1049 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.880 don't see a lot of Elie guys coming on their 1050 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:53.239 own dime like to open only classes. But the guys 1051 00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.840 that you do see which is awesome, awesome that they 1052 00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:00.400 finally realize how important it is. But most cops, and 1053 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.440 this this is this is not talking about SWAT, but 1054 00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:06.639 like most b cops, they do it for a job, 1055 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.039 like they do it for a paycheck, right, which is horrible. 1056 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:11.800 Like they're not doing it because they want to do 1057 00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:14.000 cops stuff. They're doing it because it's a it's an 1058 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.440 easy paycheck. So not many of them think that they're 1059 00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:20.199 ever going to get a gun fight. Well, the I'd 1060 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:24.480 say ninety five ninety eight percent of cops that come 1061 00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:28.639 on their own dime to an OpenH only class. Are 1062 00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:32.400 our officers that have actually been in a gunfight. Oh really, 1063 00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.039 they'll come because now because once once that cop, that 1064 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.079 that one cop that didn't take it serious, never thought 1065 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:43.159 he was going to be in a gunfight, never trained, never, 1066 00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.199 you know, never got proficient with this fire. Wrong that 1067 00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:48.639 one time he has to use it and he sucks, 1068 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:50.840 you know, and and now he's in the fear of 1069 00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:54.199 his life. Now after that, they're the ones that are 1070 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.679 now searching for for for courses or for classes or 1071 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:01.400 for training because they know how easy they could have 1072 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:05.320 got killed. You ever have, you know, it's it's unfortunate 1073 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.719 that that's what it takes. But a lot of times 1074 00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:09.679 it takes people to you know, to be in a 1075 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.840 bad situation to actually realize, holy crap, I need to 1076 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.280 actually spend some time like doing you know, like practicings. 1077 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.159 Do you ever have to speak or no. 1078 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.239 I've had a I've had a couple actually called in 1079 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:26.559 two classes that was actually like hey, Jack to actually 1080 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:30.079 like to say they're you know, tell their experience yeah, yeah, 1081 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.920 because it is. It's crazy, Like ninety five ninety eight 1082 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.119 percent of the people or cops that come to like 1083 00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:37.320 pay on their own dime, or guys that have been 1084 00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.239 in officer involved shootings. 1085 00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:42.679 I think it'd be great for you for your business 1086 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.719 as well as they haven't testimonials and little video recordings 1087 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:48.760 of them and you can show you may think you 1088 00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:49.880 may not need this, but. 1089 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.039 That's what they say. So many of them don't. They 1090 00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:55.039 just never think it's going to be them that has 1091 00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:56.480 to you know, that has to do it. 1092 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.639 So that's you're that kind of a position too. 1093 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:09.159 If they're just like we were on deployment every day, 1094 00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.880 any any moment when they're on duty or even even 1095 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.639 off duty, they could you know, they could be in 1096 00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.000 a gunfight. Like if I was a cop, I'd be 1097 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.760 training my ass off every day, like which which I 1098 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:24.880 did when when I was at the unit, even though 1099 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:27.480 it was you know, we we were back in the rear, 1100 00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:32.239 not fighting, but I was like, you're you're always you're 1101 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:34.880 always trained for that next deployment, which which a cop, 1102 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:40.480 that's every day, you know, the next time. So yeah, 1103 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:45.559 it is. It is crazy though, and it's a it's 1104 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.400 a it's an individual thing, but it's also a department thing, 1105 00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.639 you know, like on the lack of training that they 1106 00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:52.800 give them. And I get it, it's it's a budget thing. 1107 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:57.559 Maybe if you talk about forcing your guys to get 1108 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.840 trained up like they should, that would that would be 1109 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:05.639 ten fifteen classes a year. Well if you look at 1110 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:09.639 trying to get every single officer in America trained up 1111 00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:13.440 to that standard with the round counts and the overtime, 1112 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.199 I mean it would it would be billions and billions 1113 00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:16.719 of dollars. 1114 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:17.639 Really. 1115 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:23.400 I get that they can't do it. But if I 1116 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.360 was a cop on my own, or like on my own, 1117 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:27.400 if if the department wasn't sending me to classes or 1118 00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:29.599 they weren't let me go to the range every every week, 1119 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.079 I'd be doing on my own time. And and I 1120 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.800 did like I like when I was in rangem time 1121 00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:39.760 and special Forces back then, and even even now they don't. 1122 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.079 They don't get to train as much as like the unit, 1123 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:48.840 not even not even really so when I was as 1124 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:51.880 I would actually I would actually spend my own money 1125 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.639 to buy my own ammal and go to the range 1126 00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.920 by myself. Oh wow, Because I always I always wanted 1127 00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.559 to be prepared. You know that that was pre nine 1128 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.880 to eleven. That was that was before anything was going on. 1129 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:08.199 But I'm never going to go into a situation not 1130 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:10.360 being the best. So if I have to spend my 1131 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.119 own money to do that, I'm going to do that. 1132 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.480 And I think that's what law enforcement agency guys should 1133 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.239 be doing too. Unfortunately they don't. 1134 00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:20.440 Those are the large ones. I mean you see somebod 1135 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.280 these like in Chicago, La, New York. I mean, you're 1136 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.840 gonna every time I bought the officers there, how many 1137 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.639 times do you pollt your gun? How many times this week? 1138 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.039 And it's like, holy crap already? But then I've interview 1139 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.199 guys from like No Offense to Fargo. But out there 1140 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.079 in Fargo, how many times do you poll your gun? 1141 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.440 In my career, yeah, one is like, oh, I can 1142 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:45.280 see that right. But LAPD, I'm looking at going how 1143 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.679 do you not get training way above the normal on that? 1144 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:49.760 Yep. 1145 00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.280 I had a best friend. He joined LAPD when we 1146 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.800 got out of high school. And I'll never forget it 1147 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:56.480 was the very first night he said, I'm going out 1148 00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.000 today is my first ride with the FTO, And I said, 1149 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:02.480 great fun and be saved. He calls me that night. 1150 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:05.079 I said, how did it go? My very first call? 1151 00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.239 You can tell he was really solemn and I need something. 1152 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.000 Shit happened. I was only nineteen at the time, or 1153 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.840 twenty twenty one. We're twenty one. I said, what happened? 1154 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:16.920 He goes, we went to an officer down call. That 1155 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:20.440 was my first call. I said, no, kid, what happened? 1156 00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:25.360 He goes, Then I got shot at I was like, whoa. Yeah. 1157 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:27.760 And he stayed on for I think nine years and 1158 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:33.039 then left. But I mean it happened like that first day. 1159 00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:35.639 I mean, holy can it was in hours. I think 1160 00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:37.000 it was as it was a first call. It was 1161 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.119 like an hour and a half into it. 1162 00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:41.719 And for I mean then for the right guy, the 1163 00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:43.840 right mindset that had been like, oh, I'm staying on 1164 00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:48.760 this job forever. Yeah, and he said something some people 1165 00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:49.400 don't like it. 1166 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:51.480 Yeah, he didn't like it enough. 1167 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:52.079 He stayed. 1168 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:53.639 And I think his dad was a cop, his two 1169 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:55.960 brothers were cops. Everybody was a cop in that family 1170 00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:59.400 was like blue bloods. And eventually, but he he didn't 1171 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:00.320 have the passion for it. 1172 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:01.880 Yeah, he was out. 1173 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.480 I mean he didn't go the whole twenty years either. No, 1174 00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:09.199 it's amazing again, folks. Range Works highly recommended Gamma resolutions 1175 00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:11.280 dot com. Check it out. See where they're traveling to. 1176 00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:15.320 He's everywhere, it seems like right now. Take advantage of 1177 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.920 it too, because he maybe just sitting down Range Works 1178 00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:19.760 in the next couple of years and just being there. 1179 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:21.880 So if you want them to come by or they 1180 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.199 never know, definitely check it out. 1181 00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:24.960 Well. 1182 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:26.960 I guess our the last few minutes together feels like 1183 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:28.760 we've done two podcasts. 1184 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.400 You could just split them in half. 1185 00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:36.440 It was funny that I talked to John for like 1186 00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:40.000 an hour and a half, like whoa, I guess in 1187 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.039 our last few minutes. AGA's really interesting to talk and 1188 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:43.280 didn't go the way I thought it was going to 1189 00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.599 go because we went straight into mindset and really blew 1190 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.320 that up, which was kind of fun. We really explored 1191 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:50.920 a lot of different areas. I don't know if you 1192 00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:54.159 do this again back to the athlete metaphors here, but 1193 00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:56.719 they do a lot of breathing. This is one thing 1194 00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.199 I've noticed with athletes, especially in high pressure situations. So 1195 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:02.519 then I get shot at, but the bases are loaded. 1196 01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.519 You're making two million a year, you got pressure on you, 1197 01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:07.760 or you're getting ready to advance to the next level. 1198 01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:14.280 They recommend breathing. They recommend visualization, imagery work right, think 1199 01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:18.239 of yourself throwing that pitch, breathe in this situation, any 1200 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.079 of that apply here? Would it be good to visualize things? 1201 01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.440 He's already shaking his head, folks, Would it be good 1202 01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:25.559 to breathe anything like that? Or none? 1203 01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:27.079 No? 1204 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.800 The bit well I was I was laughing because you're 1205 01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:34.519 talking about breathing the visualization. I might be able to 1206 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:38.320 get on board with that. But breathing to me, I 1207 01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:43.840 called to me, But no, that's only me like that 1208 01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:48.599 that help you know, everyone else, But that was that 1209 01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:52.159 was never a factor for me, like you know, like 1210 01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:55.480 trying to slow your heart rate down, take that deep 1211 01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:59.639 fucking breath or that tactical deep breath, which I have 1212 01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:03.639 said that before, like the other people, but to me, 1213 01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.760 like especially on like shots, because a lot of people 1214 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.039 will say, like breathe, like breath control, which is it's 1215 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.719 a fundamental in the in the shooting fundamentals. That has 1216 01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:16.480 never been a factor to me, like on target actually 1217 01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:20.119 shooting dudes that I have never had even even coming 1218 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.440 off like a two thousand full on sprint to target 1219 01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:26.400 I've never had to like be like when I was 1220 01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:29.079 bringing the gun up to make that shot, like actually 1221 01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:31.800 have to slow my breathing down like that. It just 1222 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:33.760 it was just never, it was never factor for me. 1223 01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.119 But that's I think that's the beauty of I think 1224 01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.280 how it should be for all sports and and for everyone. 1225 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:46.039 You do what works for you, like, definitely try different things. 1226 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:49.320 But if if if the best athletes in the world 1227 01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:51.039 are saying this is what you need to do and 1228 01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:53.400 that doesn't work for you, well don't force it to 1229 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:56.400 work for you, right, I mean, same thing with shooting. 1230 01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:59.639 If someone's saying you have to have breath control before 1231 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.280 you shoot, if that doesn't work for you, well don't 1232 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:03.159 have breath control. 1233 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:08.199 I mean, that's I think the difference between like I 1234 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:11.920 call bullshit through all things because I'm I'm I'm realistic 1235 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:15.079 and then and I and definitely it's just a lot 1236 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.320 of things didn't apply to me that that most people 1237 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:17.800 would do. 1238 01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:22.159 That was a little bit weird on that. 1239 01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:25.719 Well, again, I'm wondering if it's your unique skill set 1240 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:28.639 that made you you were so comfortable with the gunfight 1241 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:30.440 that you didn't have to worry about breathing because you 1242 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:31.800 weren't getting anxious. 1243 01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:33.599 And that that maybe that was maybe that was a 1244 01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:35.960 factor too. But even even when I shoot, like like 1245 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.440 practice shooting, like I was a sniper and SF I 1246 01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:40.480 went through sniper school as a sniper on the team, 1247 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.320 and then breath control is like a big deal when 1248 01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:46.960 it comes to sniper shots, not to me, like I 1249 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:52.559 never had to use breath control shooting. So again, if 1250 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:57.559 that helps other people be better athletically in games or 1251 01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:01.079 better shooters, absolutely do it. But if it if it 1252 01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:04.320 doesn't apply to you, don't just because someone else is 1253 01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:07.880 saying do that, don't try to make that work for you, 1254 01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:12.039 because everyone's everyone's different, That's right, And I think that's 1255 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:16.239 not that would apply to every sport out there, And 1256 01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:18.719 definitely when it comes to me is my sport is 1257 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:23.119 in gunfighting. That's That's another big one I put out 1258 01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:25.960 is you do what works for you, and that if 1259 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:29.320 you truly want to become great at what you're doing, 1260 01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.039 you have to figure out what works for you, now, 1261 01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:34.920 what works for ten other people, what works for you, 1262 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:37.639 and where that work and how you find that out 1263 01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:42.159 is by practicing, by putting the time in. You know 1264 01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:44.639 a lot of people, I think a lot of people 1265 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.639 do what other people do because they don't want to 1266 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:48.559 put the time it. So they want to read the book, 1267 01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:51.719 they want to watch videos, and they think, Okay, this 1268 01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:53.599 this guy is the best of what he's doing, and 1269 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:55.639 this is what he's saying to do. I'm gonna I'm 1270 01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:58.599 gonna do exactly what he's doing. That's not gonna work 1271 01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:01.440 for everyone, but people are lazy. People don't want to 1272 01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:03.800 put the time in. Like if someone was saying, you 1273 01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:07.000 want to be you want to be an Olympic marathon runner, 1274 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.280 and you watched one video on this Olympic marathon running. 1275 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:11.599 He was telling you how to run, and you were 1276 01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:14.840 trying to make that work. Well, that's probably he's got 1277 01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:19.440 different feet, different legs, different arms, different Torso, right, you 1278 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:21.199 have to get out there and do a shit ton 1279 01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:24.119 of marathons to figure out what works for you. So 1280 01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:27.480 the same thing. Same thing with shooting. So I'm big 1281 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.039 on that. It's it's never the easy answer. You have 1282 01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.920 to put the timing. And I think that was the 1283 01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.679 difference between me and others is I put the time in. 1284 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:37.559 I figured out what actually worked for me. 1285 01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:40.760 That's usually for a lot of the champion athletes too. 1286 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.280 I mean, do you have a metric too. I'm assuming 1287 01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:45.159 if I'm correct, hitting correct if I'm own, of course, 1288 01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:48.400 But the metric you have is hitting the target. That's 1289 01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:50.760 a simple metric, just like a picture, hitting the target 1290 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.519 and then you hit it better with breathing or without. 1291 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.760 Is that where you use the visualization you actually focus 1292 01:04:56.800 --> 01:05:00.400 on having them imagine themselves draw I fire. 1293 01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:07.119 I wouldn't say like shooting dude, Like, I don't even 1294 01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:10.079 know if I ever visualized. I just I'm not calling 1295 01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:13.079 bullshit to that, like I think that can happen. It's 1296 01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:17.079 just it's funny. I was just actually thinking about that today. 1297 01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:19.000 Did eight mile eight mile runs? Right? 1298 01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:19.840 Oh? 1299 01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:25.119 And I'm like people that visualize, if they're running, they're like, 1300 01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:28.880 I have another five miles to go, and they're visualizing 1301 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:32.400 another five miles. That's gonna wear on their brain. That's good. 1302 01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.199 They're they're gonna want to quit, right, But if you visualize, 1303 01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:38.079 you know you still have five more miles to go, 1304 01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:40.840 and on that last quarter mile you'll still have like 1305 01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:43.119 you know, some gas left in you. But and that's 1306 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:45.440 all you're focused on, is that the last quarter mile 1307 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.480 to fifth you know that five more miles that you have. 1308 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.199 I think it helps you, like mindset wise, to stay 1309 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:54.239 in there. No, no, instead of thinking of every step 1310 01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.639 and every like okay, one more, one more, just make 1311 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:59.079 it one more block and then another block. Now you 1312 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.960 visualize on you still have five more miles, then it's 1313 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:02.599 no big deal. 1314 01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:05.559 Oh no, No, I think that what they use visualizations for, 1315 01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.239 like a basketball player shooting free throws, so they'll visualize 1316 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:11.280 let's say she shoots the free throw and makes it. 1317 01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:13.719 Then they're saying, we want you to visualize how that 1318 01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:16.280 looks and how that feels every time you do it. 1319 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.440 Yeah I did that, Yeah, exactly, totally. 1320 01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:24.840 I totally know what the actual visualizedzation is. But like 1321 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.199 I'm shooting that, that never was a thing like getting 1322 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:31.800 off the helicopter in me, like visualized. Okay, I possibly 1323 01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:36.320 have three threats in the compounds coming up. I'm gonna 1324 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:38.679 see their chest. No, that was never that was that 1325 01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:41.000 was that was never a thing for me. But again, 1326 01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:43.599 if that's if that's gonna help someone else. 1327 01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:49.320 So yeah, yeah, actually that makes some good question. Do 1328 01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:51.400 you do You said you have guys that pop up 1329 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:54.000 Do you have also those little pop up targets that 1330 01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:56.480 we've seen in the movies with the pups up and 1331 01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:58.039 then you shoot at it. That really. 1332 01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.519 Yeah, there you're usually like turners, so that instead of 1333 01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:04.440 popping up, they'll they'll be like this and then they'll 1334 01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:06.119 they'll turn or they'll be like this and then all 1335 01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:06.880 of a sudden they'll turn. 1336 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:08.119 Yeah. 1337 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:12.840 So and that's that's really that's awesome training, really good, 1338 01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:14.599 is it? Or if you had to pop up target 1339 01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.960 like that? So if you if you're standing there that 1340 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:23.320 it's it's not only for making fast shots, but it's 1341 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:27.760 it's really for a targeted identification, so like like seeing hands, 1342 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.360 seeing what they have, so you know, are they a threat? 1343 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:32.599 Are they not a threat? So right when it comes, 1344 01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:35.360 right when it comes in, like it'll only stand like 1345 01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:40.159 this for like two or three seconds, and as you 1346 01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:43.239 are seeing that target, seeing the threat, seeing the hostage 1347 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:46.079 and then or if it's a hostage rescue shot or not, 1348 01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:48.519 or if it's a threat target, you have to as 1349 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.519 the guns coming up, you have to not only see 1350 01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:53.199 their hands, does he have a gun in his hand? 1351 01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:55.360 Are you actually you know, is he a threat? And 1352 01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:57.360 then once you identify it's a threat, well then you 1353 01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:59.719 guys see it. You know, is there a hostage next 1354 01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:02.679 to him, Like where am I going to shoot him? 1355 01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:06.159 So like targets I got are are awesome like for 1356 01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:10.800 training wise identifying threat or no threat, And that's really 1357 01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:13.480 that's really all they are. Like shooting is one thing, 1358 01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:17.479 but when you actually get into further down the road 1359 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:20.079 of actually gun fighting, like you not only have to 1360 01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:23.319 be accurate fast, but you also have to be able 1361 01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:25.520 to identify is that a threat that I'm going to 1362 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:31.359 engage or not? I mean, it's it's a that's probably 1363 01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:35.520 the separation of like like good shooters and and and 1364 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:39.000 bad ass shooters, right, guys, guys that can make that 1365 01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:41.600 decision and that split second as the gun's coming up 1366 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.720 to actually see those hands and to Yep, he's a 1367 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:46.720 threat and I'm gonna shoot him the chest hope, Wait 1368 01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:48.880 he's got body arm around. Nope, not shooting the chest 1369 01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:51.640 and shooting the face. That's all stuff that has to 1370 01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:56.760 happen in a nanosecond. So so yeah, once you once 1371 01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:59.640 you get the shooting down, then it is coming. Like 1372 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:02.720 the other thing that comes into play is actually being 1373 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:03.960 identified threats are. 1374 01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:08.319 I had two questions before I interviewed you today. Somebody, Oh, 1375 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:13.319 can you ask him this can you ask him? One 1376 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:17.000 was do you like those guns? I guess he saw 1377 01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:18.760 it on Amazon and they have guns where they have 1378 01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:21.319 like a little red light. You quickly draw it and 1379 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:23.560 then you pack the red light on it. He said, 1380 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:25.720 Can that helpful while I'm sitting there watching a movie? 1381 01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:29.319 Would that be helpful to train on it? 1382 01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:33.319 Is it the? Is it the like the drive fire? 1383 01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:36.359 Yeah, it's like a dry fire gun thing he had. 1384 01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:40.119 Yeah, but you put it on target and then you 1385 01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:42.880 drive fire it, and then it shows you like like 1386 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.439 how accurate you were, how the gun moved, you know, 1387 01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:47.239 with your trigger pull. 1388 01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:48.800 Let me see what his text said. 1389 01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:51.760 That's where it is like, I don't I don't actually 1390 01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:55.319 use those, but I would never That's a good training tool. Yes, 1391 01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:58.800 any anything to get you to do drive fire is 1392 01:09:58.840 --> 01:09:59.479 a good tool. 1393 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:02.359 It's a drive fire or laser training thing. Yeah. 1394 01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.439 Okay, nope, man, you can get the same thing out 1395 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:09.560 of that by just watching your front sight so or 1396 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:12.000 your red dot on target. So if your red dots, 1397 01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:13.880 if you just have a red dot on your pistol 1398 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.199 or on your rifle, you put it up on target 1399 01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.760 as you're screened the trigger. If you watch that red 1400 01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:22.159 dot stayed dead still on that on the spot of 1401 01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:24.159 the target that you're shooting. You know you have a 1402 01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:26.279 perfect tear pull. If you see that red dot moved 1403 01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.079 just a little bit over the right, you probably know 1404 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:32.439 your trigger pull yanked over the right. But that's it's 1405 01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:35.199 it's the same thing as what the what the laser does. 1406 01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:39.560 Well. And then the other question, actually it wasn't from him. 1407 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.399 The other question was he saw this. I guess on 1408 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:44.520 some I don't know what he saw it on. He 1409 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:46.920 doesn't mention. I guess some cop show or something. They 1410 01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:50.439 have a couple of guys that were wearing a The 1411 01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:53.159 holster wasn't on the hip, it was on the thigh. 1412 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:55.760 Have you seen those where they have a thing wrapped 1413 01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:57.560 around the thigh, And I guess I wanted to know 1414 01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:58.680 what your take on that is. 1415 01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:06.560 So they're they're definitely doable when you're on the range. 1416 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:09.279 So they're called drop down holsters that that go on 1417 01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:12.800 your thigh, and we actually we use those for years 1418 01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.680 when I went through OTC, we actually used I use 1419 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:19.039 the drop leg holster when it comes to operational stuff 1420 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:22.680 like doing it for real, like if you're running, even 1421 01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:27.319 if you're running twenty yards. They got a full sprint. 1422 01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:30.319 If you have that thing wrapped around your thigh, it's 1423 01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:33.239 gonna move like that pistol will be in the front 1424 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:35.520 of your leg. It'll be be you know, behind your legs. 1425 01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:41.000 They don't stay stable there. I would if you're, if 1426 01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:44.840 you're if whoever asked if you're, if you're thinking about 1427 01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:48.319 buying one, I would say absolutely not. Like by you 1428 01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:51.039 can buy like the half drop down line half drop 1429 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:53.600 down so they're still on your belt. They come down 1430 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.359 a little bit a little bit further so it clears 1431 01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.319 if you were body armor, like it's not gonna be 1432 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:02.720 up against your b but they'll still they'll still stay 1433 01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:04.760 on your belt. But if you have a full drop 1434 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:08.800 down holster that's on your sigh, you're when you're actually 1435 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.960 doing stuff for real, they're all over the place. So 1436 01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:13.760 now if you if you have to draw your holster 1437 01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.079 or if you if you have to dry your pistol 1438 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:17.760 and your hand comes down to where you think it 1439 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.239 usually is, it's usually not going to be there a 1440 01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:25.439 drop down holster. Interesting, like for training wise, they're fine 1441 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:28.720 because usually most people shoot static like they're they're they're 1442 01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:31.680 not moving, so it's always going to be there. But 1443 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:33.880 when you actually start moving around, those things move all 1444 01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:34.439 over the place. 1445 01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:36.680 Why did they do it? Was it faster grab or 1446 01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:38.279 what was the reason for that? You don't have to 1447 01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:40.680 lift up your elbow or I. 1448 01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:43.479 Don't know if it's a faster draw. So I mean 1449 01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:46.640 usually with with body armor, people don't want the gun 1450 01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:49.840 high up on their belt because now the body armor 1451 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:53.640 is either over the over the pistol or it's riding 1452 01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:55.760 on the pistol, so it is hard to get it out. 1453 01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:58.680 So if you put a drop leg on, now it's 1454 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:00.960 away from your body arm, you can get you can 1455 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:01.720 get a pistol out. 1456 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:02.720 That's where the. 1457 01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:06.119 Half the half dropped downs came in, so they're not 1458 01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:08.319 all the way down to your thigh, but they do 1459 01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:14.840 clear your body armor. I still so I put my 1460 01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:18.159 body armor higher up on my on my torso, and 1461 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:22.159 I kept my pistol on my belt. It's it's just 1462 01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:25.039 screwed around with your with your kit knowing you know 1463 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:28.039 that again you have to go to the range or 1464 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:32.319 go outside screw around with it. I get to where 1465 01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:34.520 your your pistol is not going to be moving around, 1466 01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:36.720 and then you adjust your kit off of that. 1467 01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:42.159 Good advice, Good advice. Well, I think that's about ready 1468 01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:43.920 to wrap us up. We've been together for a long 1469 01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:48.520 time today. Yeah, it was a great conversation. I really 1470 01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.600 enjoyed it a lot because it took a different direction. 1471 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:53.199 I never really think about them a whole lot ahead 1472 01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:55.199 of times. I know, I asked one question and that 1473 01:13:55.359 --> 01:14:00.520 these are rabbit holes. That's where it ended up today. Yeah, so, folks, again, 1474 01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:02.359 if you want to learn more, you can look up 1475 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:07.079 Gammut Resolutions gm ut resolutions dot com. You can look 1476 01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:10.079 up Killer Gammut Resolutions over on Instagram, and if you're 1477 01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:13.680 in Tampa, Florida, visit Range Works wr X to check 1478 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:15.439 it out. So if you've never fired a gun, ever 1479 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:17.920 shot a gun, just got a gun, just got your CCW, 1480 01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:21.079 I highly recommend you check it out. They're not toys, folks. 1481 01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:23.680 You definitely don't want to play around. Bob. I can't 1482 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:25.439 thank you enough for doing this again. 1483 01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.039 Yeah, let's do it again. 1484 01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:30.760 Yeah, I think I think your idea was great. We 1485 01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:34.800 should bring John back and and Nayan and I think 1486 01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:37.840 that would be a lot crazy time. John's the characters 1487 01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.439 as well, and they're gonna be a fun time. Yeah, 1488 01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:41.800 talking about those stories. 1489 01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:42.640 Thank you. 1490 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:46.359 Yep, Thank you everyone for listening, Share, subscribe, hit that 1491 01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.279 I Like button, Go check out gammut resolutions. Folks,