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the Bible and tying these things together, some of these
obscure topics that are just mentioned once or twice in
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topics that we discuss I won't go into it on
the show unless I have somebody who I consider being
an expert in the field. So man, thank you so
much for coming on here hanging out with me for
a little bit. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you for inviting me. And extremely happy to
be here with you tonight and very much looking forward
to the conversation. And I think what we're going to
talk about is going to raise a lot of curiosity
with the audience, and we're prepared to talk about it
in detail.
Speaker 5: Genesis six. We can start there. I want to skip
it really quick and just talk about Enoch for a minute,
because we can't really talk about Genesis six without talking
about the Book of Enoch. One thing that I will
say that it's definitely a resurgence of that book, and
now it's starting to be accepted in many churches and
church circles and those realms now where it was really
taboo even ten years ago, ten fifteen years ago, it
was taboo to bring up that book. Now pastors are
preaching out of it and they're referencing back scriptures and stuff.
Talk a little bit about the Book of Enoch coming
back into light.
Speaker 4: Well, it is extremely popular because it provides a lot
of detail in terms of prehistory, in quantity and volume
and in detail that is unprecedented in really any other
book on prehistory about the giants, and so it runs
fairly consistent with biblical scripture, not one scripture. It is apocryphal,
It probably doesn't come from one writer. It may or
may not be the original Book of Enoch. We're not
convinced of that or not sure of that. And it
does have some corruptions in there because it was you know,
found and translated by the Gnostics. So and there's basically
two different translations that are coming down. One as the
Ethiopian one and one is the ara Americ one, and
they're fairly similar, but traditionally there's just a few differences
between it and a few verses missing here or there.
But there are some cruptions in there, and there are
some markers in there because Alexander Bruce, who is the
one who founded, found and translated the first Book of Enoch,
it was a Gnostic and a freemason, so you know,
there's going to be some corruptions in there. So there's
some small things in there, like the angels going to Noah,
to warn them of the flood, which in building the
arc for Noah that doesn't happen in the biblical account.
That's that's a Gnostic overlay as an example, and it
will also put the age of Enoch in there between
five hundred and five fifty depending on which verse that
you're reading in the Book of Enoch. And we know
that that's not accurate. That that is that Enoch son
of Seth as opposed to Enoch son of Cain. And
people need to understand there's two Enochs, and just as
there's Tulames, and the names are so very similar in
the two genealogies that that would be what I would
call a Masonic and a Gnostic marker. That they've corrupted
it because they follow the ways of Enoch son of
Caine and is one of their greatest patriarchs, just as
two bellcane Is, as nama Is, as Jubel and jibal
is and all the way through and Lmec of course
of the of the Seth line. So they've just put
I think what they've done with that book as they've
corrupted it. But it is apocryphal. But if you want
to have an eye opening read and have something that
runs very very close to scripture. It will provide details
of Genesis six that will just sort of blow your mind.
Speaker 5: Two places we could go from there that I would
love to interject. First of all, do you think that
Jesus had knowledge of the info that's in this book?
Not just Jesus, but the prophets and apostles had some
of the knowledge of these books, and they had it
they were passed around and read as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was obviously there's a reference, particularly in Jude
where it references the Book of Enoch, and so we
know there was legitimately an uncorrupted book. And is this
the one we don't We're not sure. But what we
do know. What I do know is that certainly Jesus,
as being the Word of God and being the Alpha
Omega and the first creation of God, would be very
well aware of all of this information that would be
in the Book of Enoch in whatever well else may
not be in there, or whatever may be not quite right.
So certainly he would. I think many of the profits
would have had access to the Book of Enoch as well,
whether or not it was part of the you know,
the hagiography that was part of the ancient scrolls in
Jerusalem or even before that. We're not sure. And there's
so many books that were lost. The Old Testament was
sort of built upon, so I think at some point
in time they had it. We don't know exactly when
they lost it, but I'm pretty sure that most of
the profits would be aware of it based on the
history of the sort of the ancient ology of how
far the profits go back, right, So I would think
they were aware of it.
Speaker 5: It definitely gives you a look into the realm. And
the weird thing is a lot of those books that
were taken out or apocryphal books, they deal with the
spirit world and how they operate and how they affect
mankind and humanity and things like that. That's very interesting
that that's something that most of these books had in common.
I have a friend of mine who's a scholar in
the in the area as well. He made this statement.
It's kind of a bold statement, but I tend to
believe it. He says that you can't fully understand the
Bible without the Book of Enoch. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4: I would disagree with that. I think it's a it's
a good companion book, but I think there's so much
that's in the Bible that people overlook, and it's there.
But I think after you read Enoch, it fills in
the holes. It fills in the holes, and it will
help you flag versus and passages and it'll just all
of a sudden pop out to you. So I certainly,
you know, sure I would go quite that far, but
it will really help you understand, you know, the.
Speaker 5: So you think you think that there's a lot in
Genesis six that would kind of fill in those gaps too, right, Oh?
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean when it comes to the giants, I
mean we get very stingy details before the flood, we
get more details of them after the flood, at least
of more tribes and how they affected the early post
Alluvion epoch to a certain degree. But Enoch, I mean
it is, I mean, it's it's a large book that
is basically devoted to the anti Diluvian.
Speaker 5: H There's so many this is there's so many places
we can go with this, and I want to go
with you, but probably let's just start it. Let's start
from the beginning. Let's go let's set the framework for
somebody who has no idea what the Genesis six. Conspiracy
is you wrote a book by that title. Genesis six
is a key chapter when we're understanding the giants, the Nephelim,
the fallen angels, and that. So let's go to the
beginning where you would lay the framework for.
Speaker 4: What that is. Yeah, so let me just lay a
quick sort of summary of what the book is all
about so that people understand what we're talking about here.
So the book begins in Genesis six and then it'll
work its way back. But it's about how the sons
of God go to the human females, the sons of
the daughters of men, and copulate with them, marry them,
have us, and produce giants, which are if you look
in the King James Wible, it'll say giants, but if
you take that back to Hebrew, it'll say nepheline. That's
where nepheline will come from. So it's about how that
takes place. But it's also about how these giants will
partner with the descendants of king and with fallen angels,
and how they will conspire to develop the knowledge in
the mystic religions and create secret societies to usurp the
antidiluvian world and rebel against God which brings on the flood,
and how these groups and organizations cross the flood, how
they affected their early post Alluvian epoch, how they affected
our history, what they're doing today, and how they bring
plan to bring about the end time and Antichrist. So
it's literally a six thousand year investigation into what I
call the House of Dragon and connecting the dots and
all the different organizations and religious groups from around the world,
how they're working together to bring this about.
Speaker 5: So that would kind of tie into the thirteen bloodlines
and things like.
Speaker 4: That, yes, but maybe not quite as people may understand
the thirteen blood lines there are. I mean, it's quite
famous to thirteen bloodlines and whether or not it's a
year thirteen blood line, and there's also a mythos of
the thirteen American blood lines. I look at it as
those are part of but it's about the worldwide bloodlines
because the bloodlines of these giants go to all parts
of the world. And when I talked about in sort
of the preface what the book is about, that they
usurped the kingships. They usurp the kingships after the flood
again and they create all of the dynasties that will
go down throughout the ages, whether or not it is
in China with the Lee dynasty or with the Amamoto dynasty,
or the dynasties in Central America, or the European dynasties
or the Middle East dynasties, they all have this route
with the nephilim usurping kingships very close after the after
the flood is over.
Speaker 5: Would you tie the and I don't know how studied
you are on this topic, but I'm sure you are.
Would you tie the fallen angels in with the gods
of the Old Testament, the ones pretty much the Divine
Council who were ruling over different regions and parts of
the earth. Or would there be a distinction between those
gods and the fallen angels as some deities who are
being worshiped and actually have a physical manifestation on the earth.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So in the Antideluvian epoch, you've got a minimum
of seven major watchers as what they're called in Enoch
or the grigory or seraphim angels as we will know
them in the Bible, and under them, they've got many
other angels. And you know, you have a consensus that
there was maybe a seveny different cult centers overseen by
various fallen angels, and a lot of people use that
by the number of languages. You know people that are
after the flood with Babylon. But you certainly do know
that there's a council of gods that's spoken of in
Psalms eighty two, and you also know in Deuteronomy that
before Israel, and if you look at other translations spending this,
when you're looking at it'll say sons of God, that
the world was split by God up into certain aspects
or regions or realms in the earth. So I think
that those these were the governors of the anti do
Luvine epoch. And again whether or not there was replacement
once after the flood, because a lot of these compassioned angels,
or at least all of the impassioned angels, would have
been imprisoned into the Abyss for the for creating Nephilim
in the first place, and so there may have been
some replacements after the flood, But certainly there is no
doubt that these were what I would call the celestial mafia,
and they were set up rebellious cult centers that were
all polytheists, and we're inciting humans to rebel against God,
which is one of the key causes of the flight.
And of course they were over seen by the Nephilum
as they're representatives on Earth and as demigods or kings
of the Antidouvan world, and then again in the postal
Living the world.
Speaker 5: Well, talking about those gods, those angels that ruled over
certain regions and parts of the earth, do you think
that those principalities as were told in the scriptures and
powers and rulers of the air, do they still hold
authority or rulership over the certain regions on the earth now?
And I know that it's weird because a lot of
times what we've just seen, I've just practical experience driving
from state to state and crossing a state line and
feeling like a change and of what you're sensing when
you cross the state line. Definitely down here in the South,
even as a kid without knowing any of the stuff,
acrossing from Alabama, Mississippi into Louisiana and that's where I'm from,
but I would notice a change, and then getting to
Florida and then getting back to Louisiana and a weird
heaviness and things. Even now, do you think that that
still exists, these principalities over the different regions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, And I think we look to
some New Testament references and you've bade some with the principalities,
and there's a few other ones. But the big thing
to remember from my perspective is that Satan is still
the prince of this world. He's still the prince and
the power of this world because it hasn't been resolved yet,
this whole issue. That's what we're going to go through
at the end time. And so not all of the
angels were impassion so they didn't all have sex, and
it was only the impassioned ones. And the worst of
the demons, of my understanding is we're sentenced to the
Abyss for those crimes of the violation against the laws
of creation. So that means there's many other unimpassioned angels
that are still out there, and you still have the
dividing up of the earth that we have no scripture
to say that it was redivided or canceled or anything
like that, So one presumes and that either of those
were consolidated into smaller ones that weren't sentenced to the
abyss or they're just replaced with other angels. And we
know there's a lot of angels that actually rebelled because
in Revelations we're told that there's ten thousand times ten thousand,
that's one hundred million, right, and in Revelation twelve, either
a third rebelled all at once or by the time
of the end time or third world rebel. So there's
like thirty three million of them, not just the two
hundred that Enoch talks about going to Mount Herman so
and there's a hierarchy to these angels as well. So yeah,
I think there's still there the various regions and will
do so until the end time. And I think that's
part of what helps bring the end time on once
the restrainer is removed.
Speaker 5: I think I think it's cool too, because it kind
of gives some credence to this where I believe it's
Jesus says that this is do you not know that
you shall judge the angels?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: Which angels? Is he talking about the angels that sin
and left their first estate and came down and you know,
did what they did with mankind, And that's what Jesus
is talking about. You got a little info on.
Speaker 4: That, yeah, And I actually will cover that off in
a specific chapter in the book, and I call it
Satan's revenge. And so my take on this whole thing
is is that there is a rebellion before the creation
of humankind. And there's many theories as to when that
would take place, but I placed that certainly before the
creation of humankind, and Adam is created two in the
future time to have him in descendants raised above angels. Right,
because angels rebelled, they had no free choice in terms
of being created immortal, but they did obviously have a
free choice to follow God or not, because many of
them chose not to. But with the creation of humankind
and Adam in particular, with his great commission, is that
the fallen angels were jealous of this. They were wanting
to make sure that this was not going to happen,
So they were going to try and bring down Adam
and humankind to prevent them from being raised higher than
angels in the future time. And that's being able to
judge these angels and the rebellion. So we're intricately and
intimately connected to what happened in prehistory with the rebellion,
and so what is playing out is the resolution to that.
And because we have free choice before immortality, that's going
to have a high sort of presence given to it
in the future time. And so in Eden you have
Satan taking possession or avataring or coaching the serpent to
bring Adam and Eve down for his first revenge. Genesis
six would be the second revenge. And all throughout history
he's trying to prevent humankind from achieving their destiny and
from Israel being created and enable Israel to bring about
the Messiah, and that the Messiah will bring about the
redempt of humankind. And I think where they what their
angels miscalculated was is they did not anticipate the resurrection.
So when we hear about Jesus in one Peter going
into the grave at the time of the resurrection or
time of the crucifixion, I'm sorry, before the resurrection, just
before he's talking to these rebellious angels and saying it's over.
Your rebellion is officially failed. And when I rise on
Sunday morning means humankind will be raised in the future
at time and they will judge you for the crimes
that you've done against them.
Speaker 5: That's a very powerful book when it when it comes
to talking about Enoch and talking and it kind of
it kind of brings me to another scripture. But I
want to go back and just ask you about it,
because what is the deal with the hair? Okay, because
it talks about an Enoch that they're looking down at
these women who don't have their heads covered in their
hair is what attracts them, like the beauty of their hair.
And then we see on into the New Testament, it says,
you know, to cover your heads, women, cover your heads
because of the angels. It just throws that in there,
and we have to give.
Speaker 4: Reference first Corinthians eleven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and then it says men not to
It says that women ought to pray and make that
connection with their head covered and men with their heads uncovered.
What's the deal with the hair and the angels?
Speaker 4: Well, it would seem that when the angels come into
the physical world from the spiritual world and take on
the form of body that they take on in the
physical world, that they seemingly are subject to physical rules
and regulations or in this case, temptations. And so I
think they find that the women are beautiful, and just
as a human male would find women beautiful. And I
think it's the same sort of things that are going on.
And you know, they left there, as Jude one and
six says, as they left their habitat, and habit tackles
back to the word cicutarian in Greek, and that is
defined as a dwelling place for the spirit. So I
think they put on the close of the physical world
to have a dwelling place for their spirit here, and
then that becomes affected by the physical world.
Speaker 5: Very very controversial point here. I want to I want
to ask you talking about dinosaurs. So when we read
Enoch talks about the the angels mixing DNA and and
and mixing with the animals and things like that, and uh,
some people think that's where we get the movie The
Island of Doctor Moreau mixing that the genetics there dinosaurs.
Some people believe that the dinosaurs are the offspring of
the fallen angels mixing with animals or some kind of monsters,
because it talks about the Titans, you know, these big
beasts that were formed out of the children, and they're
fighting each other, they're at war, or do you tie
the dinosaurs into that at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me see whether I can explain this in
a fairly quick way that people can follow and understand
and also keep it biblically based. So in Isaiah six
you hear the term seraphim, and we've mentioned it earlier.
Seraphim or serahf I M stands for one. So it's
fiery serpent ones is how seraph is defined. And so
these are the angels that are walking amongst the throne
of God in the fiery Stones, and so they're a
very high level of angel and part of the watcher
group that we're governing, the anti deluvint epoch. So you
have this this reptilian snakelike.
Speaker 6: Being, and this being.
Speaker 4: Has a face of a snake, face of a viper,
and when it has its wings out, now you have
a dragon. Dragon and serpent are the same sort of understanding.
In antiquity or before Eden. After Eden, we look at
the serpent as a slimy thing that crawls on the ground,
but it had its limbs taken off, and it had
its voice taken away, it had intelligence taken away, and
so we have to understand that these were angels that
look like reptilians, just as they're depicted as in gods
around the world. So whether when you hear about quet
Sequatal or any of the Central American feathered serpents, this
is what they're describing. Or when you see the gods
of Olympus or the gods of the Annaki described as
serpents that's why, or the Nagas in India. It's a
worldwide commonality. Now. Also in the Antidiluvian Age, whether or
not it's before as in the gap theory that some
people like to place the dinosaurs at or during the
time before the flood, you have the creation of the nephilim,
who also are going to look like their parents, right,
They're going to have this snake like look, and that's
why the kings of prehistory are depicted as serpents and
with elongated skulls and glowing eyes, and high cheek bones
and the extended chins. So we have this sort of
reptilian thing carrying on, just as the serpent in Eden
is a snake. So there's a reptilian thing going on here. Now.
If you go back and understand that in the Antidiluvian Age,
the Seven Sacred Sciences and the mysticism being developed by
and Enoch sent of Kine's descendants, is going to be
developed to a significant level, up to the level of
DNA manipulation and technology beyond what we have today. Because
if you look at what Jesus says, he says the
Days of Noah, that his second coming or the end
time will be like the days of Noah. We're not
in the end time yet. We're getting maybe close, but
we're not there yet. So then that means if it's
going to be like the days of Noah, then that
technology that they developed was even greater than what we
have today, so they could do DNA manipulation. And also
you have this understanding that the dinosaurs were like a
giant creature, so very similar to the understanding of enophlum
being a giant creature. And so is it DNA manipulation
or is it approcreation with reptilian animals to create reptilian
giants in the animal form could be either or we
don't know. But what we do know is is before
the name dinosaur was created a couple hundred years ago
by the people in science of the Royal Society, which
is a other rabbit hole to go down to. But
I understand that that's backed by polytheist religion. Dinosaurs were
known as dragons, right, And we also have description of Leviathon,
which is a serpent like dragon in the Bible as well.
That is certainly in and around in the Anti do
Living epoch at some point in time. So I think
it's probably both that was going on, and not just
by the fallen angels, but by the humans who are
following these watchers and developing their own technology. So I
think you've got several different groups messing with creation and
violating the laws of creation to a level that we
haven't even reached yet. And when it says the earth
was corrupted, it means the whole earth was corrupted, and
that includes the plants and all of the animals that genomes. Everything.
I think was being corrupted to be a different thing
than what God had originally created, and I think that's
part of what they were doing as part of their rebellion.
Speaker 5: Just let everybody know the phone lines are open if
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sixth conspiracy and any any questions that you have, call
in tonight. This is the time to do it, okay.
Speaker 4: So I was just going to just add if I could,
is that corrupted goes back to the Hebrew word chacav
and it's defined, as you know, to ruin, to decay,
or to spoil. So it's not just that there was
violence on the earth when it says the whole earth
was corrupted, the whole earth was spoiled, And I think
that's what it's referring to in a larger context than
the standard dogma.
Speaker 5: So okay, So with the standard dogma, definitely we can
approach that the what is it one hundred and twenty years?
Is that the life span of man or in one
hundred and twenty years is what you have until we
destroy the earth.
Speaker 4: What do you think on that?
Speaker 5: When it comes to Enoch as well, it kind of
brings another perspective.
Speaker 4: Sure, my understanding of that one hundred and twenty years
in Genesis six is that that's to restrict the life
span of humans and the giants. And God intercedes, and
you look where it's positioned in the Genesis six account,
and it's right in there with the creation of the giants.
And that's no coincidence. It's not one hundred and twenty
years to the flood, which some people will say because
the math doesn't add up right. It's only hundred years
or ninety eight years spending on till you want to
calculate that, So it's not that. But what happens when
the fallen angels procreate with human females, they are passing
on what Enoch will call the counterfeit spirit. So somehow
their spirit is being passed on and they're creating gods
or demigods in the physical realm, let's say gods. At
this point, they're created immortal and God steps in and says, no,
I'm not going to have a mortal spirit in the
physical body in the physical world, and I'm going to
move to stop that. Now that takes a few generations
to take place. What happens with these giants who have
the immortal spirit is that their spirit ism is immortal,
but their body is not. So at some point in
time they're going to die or their body is going
to wear out. But their spirit, because it's immortal, is
not permitted to go to sleep, it's not permitted to
go to heaven, and it's going to roam the earth.
These are the demons. And this is why when we
see Jesus dealing with Legion in the New Testament and
they're afraid that they're going to send them either to
judgment for before their time or to the Abyss with
their you know, the worst of their co conspirators. They're
still roaming the earth today as bodily spirits. And this
is where you get a hero worship from in the
ancient Greek tradition, where the ruler would die and the
spirit would come back and the and haunt that village,
and the people would do rituals and sacrifices to appease
this this horribly upset demon because it no longer has
a body, and the same thing in Taoism they call
them vagabond ghost spirits.
Speaker 5: I was even just watching a documentary last night about
free speech and the free in the free press, and
somebody's name who came up, Peter Theo, I believe it is.
And he's a tech billionaire and he's even talking about
researching and a lot of people are now, but he's
one of the billionaires behind it about shooting up or
putting into themselves the blood of younger people or children
to stay alive and be and be more healthy and
almost feel at youth and stuff. And people are are
swearing are swearing by this. I know Joe Rogan even
talks about it a little bit. Some of these millionaires
who are like trying to have this longevity and it's
having to deal with weird blood rituals.
Speaker 4: You know, well, blood and blood rituals are all part
of the religion that grew up around the giants and
the Nephalo, and after they lost their immortality and God
stepped in, they start to actually drink blood. It was
a common violation for the Nephilon and it's researches after
the flood with Nimrod, according to Freemasonry legends. And again
they're trying they're trying to do is with drinking of
the blood, is extend their life because they believe the
life is in the blood. And then we extend it
and also to give them better cognitive abilities. They believe
it does both. And these blood rituals and blood drinking
rituals didn't die out in the ancient past. They're still
part of what they do at the adept level and
the secret societies and the high level adepts of the
polytheist religions today.
Speaker 5: What about stem cells? Where does that play into that?
Is that kind of crossing the line a little bit
too when it when it comes into this stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the stem cells allows you to more easily
manipulate DNA and genomes and things like that.
Speaker 6: Right, So.
Speaker 4: This is this is crossing over the threshold with what
they're doing with it into violating the laws of creation,
which is what essentially brought on the first apocalypse, And
so we're starting to repeat what was going on in
the end time. And it's all about how do we
create immortality in this world? Right, not about this exactly,
not about immortality in heaven, but in the physical realm, right.
And so whether or not it's it's being able to
do it through transhumanism or biotic parts or clones or
cloning body parts to replace ai AI, it's all about
that creating that demigod in the physical realm that was was,
you know, before the flood. And some people actually think
that they're trying to actually create vessels ultimately for the
demon spirits because they need a body, they need a
dwelling place for their spirit.
Speaker 5: I've heard of that. Yeah, it's some interesting stuff. But
then it goes back to it goes back to because
we didn't cover a lot of this, but we talked
about the children of the fallen angels when they came down.
Then when they died, those spirits are sent to roam
the earth to and fro and not finding rest, and
they are tormenting men and women on the earth and
using our bodies as vessel when we yield to temptation
and lust and things like that. The things that they
were into, and I think Enoch talks about that when
they have a body, when they have a host, that
they're able to sense what it is to love of
again again, to you know, to make love, to commit murder,
to eat food and taste it when they have a host.
So there's info on that as well. These these disembodied
spirits riding on the back or leeching off of your
energy or something like that, of men and women.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's been their goal from day one
since they've died, is how do we manipulate humankind in
conjunction with the fallen angels. But the demons are a
big part of you know, the guls of gods of polytheism.
As to go through history, they seem to be very
much related or part of the Celestial Masters or the
White Brotherhood or Aliens or Guardian spirits, whoever they say
they want a channel to because the knowledge is coming
from them to continue to make the advancements, and even
more in the last hundred years, I think more of
this channeling is going on and getting this information because
we're seeing technology advanced so quickly. Their interest to pass
on the nausese that they had before the flood to
humans to develop to hopefully in with their end game too,
you know, have a body to once again live in.
Speaker 5: And there's so much stuff in Hollywood as far as
like we're talking about the occultism, like the deep Dark occultism,
about the stuff they're they're writing in the scripts of
these movies. They're plagiarizing the Book of Enoch, They're plagiarizing
some of these the stuff that I guess the majority
of the lay people have no idea exists. But when
we watch, for instance, one one was the uh the
Transformers movie Rise of the Fallen, where these spirits from
from outer space came and went to the depths of
the earth, of the Earth, into the bottom of the
sea and went to these robots or the which were
the angels in chains, and they broke loose out of
the chains. They came out of caves and out of crevices,
and they came back to rule and reign. And it's
called the Rise of the Fallen, and it's just like
they put it out there blatantly, But for me, that's
like plagiarism straight from the Book of Enoch.
Speaker 4: Well, and whether or not it's the Book of Enoch
or other accounts of religions and mythologies around the world,
they tell that same type of story over and over
and over and over and over. For your audience, understand
that when they're seeing all of these superhero movies today,
this is a reflection of the nephilum of the ancient times,
and hero was understood differently in the ancient times than
it is today. It was understood as the offspring of
God's and human female to create a demigod, Heroes of renown,
Heroes of renown absolutely, or the mighty ones of old.
These were there reflections of it and you can see it.
The best analogy I can give you for them doing
this is probably the most famous superhero, which is Superman. Yeah, right,
So he is obviously a superhuman being with superpowers, and
he has this almost pyramid like sort of emblem that
you have this ass that looks like a snake on it,
and he comes from the House of L and L
is a god and he is the son of L
and he is basically, you know, a nephilum in a
cartoon sort of character, right, And all of those characters
that are developed from the superheroes of the ancient epoch.
This is just going on continually in all kinds of
entertainment that they continually tell us about their history, the religion,
and their genealogies encoded into all of this entertainment.
Speaker 5: The Epic of Gigames was another big one that's just
telling the stories of possibly a fallen angel and an
actual burial site where they found recently. The Epic of
Gigamess is kind of along the same lines. I wanted
to ask you to see if you've done any research
on this. But there's a prophecy, and I remember when
when we first heard about this, I was blown away.
But there's a prophecy in the Book of Enoch that
says that two hundred generations after the flood. Are you
familiar with that, that two hundred generations after the flood,
that these spirits would be loose to judge mankind into
to do torments on the earth. And I know they
did the breakdown on the year that was two hundred
and I think they two hundred generations and I think
it was eighty years, around eighty years or so, and
it was right at twenty twelve. Are from you with
that prophecy at all?
Speaker 4: I'm familiar with that prophecy. Again, I take anything that's
outside the Bible with a grain of salt, and I
measure everything against what the Bible says.
Speaker 5: You definitely can't go out there with a date hell
and a date.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think at all it does
is sort of zeros into what I said earlier that
you know, we're not in the end time yet, but
we're certainly very close. We may be sitting on the
edge of it the way things are going. But until
the restrainer is removed, it's going to move, you know,
at a very very sort of set pace, I think. So, uh,
you know, so do I think there is a there
is a set time. I think there is a set time.
I just don't know whether or not that is accurate
in Enoch or not, because all you have to do
is be out twenty years and you're going to be yeah,
in trouble, right.
Speaker 5: So even one year, Yeah, it's got to be right on.
You definitely can't go with it with a date on that.
But it's very very interesting, very interesting. And to see
what's going on on the Earth Earth now and to
see all of it coming out of Hollywood. Man, it's
just blatantly putting stuff out there that would have never
passed thirty years ago and stuff that's passing, and what's
going on in Hollywood itself. Man. And there's some really
there's I know, I said Transformers, but there's tons of
movies out there that are talking about these these spirits
and these entities and having hosts and bodies and they're
just retelling those stories. So do you think is this
God is this just how it's just playing out naturally,
Like this is just these stories that are recycled, or
do the people in Hollywood know something that we don't
and they're just letting little pieces through.
Speaker 4: I think they are working in all aspects, whether it's education, media, entertainment,
whether or not it's literature, movies, television. They're preparing us
to accept what they're going to tell us and trying
to sieve us with in a very short period of
time so that they'll go back and say, hey, we
told you in advance, like this should not be a surprise.
It all makes sense. They're preparing us to accept the
great delusion. And I think it's a brainwashing propaganda thing
that is going on that will only intensify as we
get closer to the end. Time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it almost passes by. I know a lot
of people kind of run into this when they do
their research and then they start seeing it in the movies,
and then they start talking about it, and people are like, oh,
you just got that from a movie. You watch too
many movies, and they can kind of pinpoint the movies
that go inside with your philosophy because it's all out there,
you know, So it's almost a way of just watering
it down. Like you said, you know that you came
up with Are you read it in an ancient manuscript? No,
you've just seen it on television, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, And it doesn't matter whether or not audits.
In science fiction, we get through religion and we get
the alien deception that's going to be coming at us.
If it's in fairy tales, that's preparation for the kids,
and it's encoded with the allegories of the matriarchal bloodline
and the classifications of different fairies, so it can be
in other sort of genre like the vampires. Again, the
vampire whole thing is just another allegory talking about the
genealogy and the imagery of the Nephilum, and the genealogy
is coming down everything from the drinking of blood to
the cobra fangs on a person called Dracula, which is
son of a dragon in the imagery, and they drink
blood for immortality and cognitive abilities. He's based on Glad
the Impaler and Nephilim who had pale skin, hazel eyes,
red hair as one of the different colors. I mean
just sort of goes on and on and on bore
the whole audience with all of the allegories and couded
into the Dracula tales. But I understand, you know it
is that is the side that is against Christianity.
Speaker 5: M hmm.
Speaker 4: And that's the ultimate thing that they're telling you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's that's. Somebody said it recently in a
couple of people. It's talking about Hollywood and the the
right lost in in in that in that realm, and
so it's like it's mostly godless people. There are people
who are anti God or just pro pro left and
just every everything like super far left, not just in
political views, but the super leftist agenda. And and we
talk about the funding. And when somebody comes out as
a Christian in the media, they're heckled, that made fun of.
They try to dig up dirt on them about their
past or things that they they've done wrong in the throat,
in the in their face. And if you if you
just say and in the time that we're living in
that you believe in Jesus, you laughed at you know,
even in Hollywood, and you lose roles, all kinds of
weird stuff goes on. You know, we see happening but
I want to go ahead and jump to the phone lines.
I got some more questions I want to ask you.
But we do have a caller here. I'm going to
take this call here in South Alabama. Caller on air
who we speaking with?
Speaker 6: Hey Derek Kenny, Hey man, you are.
Speaker 5: Called into a good show.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 5: You got a question for Gary?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I got a few. Actually, I'm not surprised.
I've I've been doing a lot of research into the
same kind of thing, and it's led me in a
lot of different directions. I used to believe that the dinosaurs,
especially the flesh eating ones, were probably part of the
nasalum or whatever, but I kind of went away from
that now because I've also seen things like there's a
swamp in the Congo or along the Congo River that
locals say that there is broader sources that live there.
They're just not nearly as big as they were before
the flood, So, I mean, you know, little legends like that.
And then also, tarodactyls have been cited in this century
on every content, just not very many of them anymore,
and they're a lot smaller than they used to be.
So I just I mean, I've come to the conclusion
that mostly all the fossils that you find everything that
was all pre flood. So like the world is different
back then, right, So who's to say, especially with reptiles.
Reptiles keep growing their whole life. So what if those
are a thousand year old dinosaurs, like you know, because
they were the first thing created and they just fled
to what killed them. Nothing else was a threat to them,
And you know, that's just part of Guy's creation that's
gone extinct over the years. And I wonder what you
thought about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of those things that I think when
people start digging into this aspect of it, you end
up going back and forth on how does that sort
of fit? And there's you know, to me, it's it's
it could could be either or I'm opened. I'm open
to both. And so when I look at you know,
what science is telling us, A, I don't trust science
because I know you know that you know, modern science
was created by the Royal Society, which was created by
Freemasons and Rosicrucians, and their whole ideology is as the
same as it was in the anti Luvine epoch, just
to lead people away from God, not give god credit
for anything and to honor their own pantheon of gods.
So you can't trust anything that they say. And I'm
not even sure there is one complete set of dinosaur,
one complete skeleton of dinosaur in the whole world. I
think they're taking pieces and they kind of add lib
as to what they think they may look like. So
we don't know for sure whether or not they were
as big or as many as as what they what
they're saying possible. I leave myself open to that. But
when they they they lived, they it could have been,
you know, just before the flutter, could have been back
into antiquity, because again you can look at Genesis one
one and one two and translate that out of Hebrew
that the earth became void and that the earth was renewed,
just as Psalms one four thirty says, when God sends
the spirit, the earth is renewed. So there's a possibility
that dinosaurs live in and the rebellion is what caused
the destruction of the world, and then you have the
renewal of the earth. I think some people will call
it the gap through I have a complete blowli blow
on that if somebody wants it it's not constitutive to
my faith, but I leave that open as a possibility,
and certainly the angelic rebellion for me fits a little
bit better there, but again it's not constitutive. And yet
I also know that with everything that's going on with
science and how they're trying to deceive us for their
own agenda, is it could just be just pre flood
animals and they may not be quite as big or
quite as numerous as what people would lead us to
believe are as old.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, they might also not have had the same
diet that we think they do of.
Speaker 7: A songbeat, so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, who knows, right.
Speaker 6: I've also seen where one guy compared a kangaroo skeleton
to a t rex skeleton, and they are remarkably similar,
so we we might just not even know what they
look like. So maybe that was just a giant kangaroo
And I can't imagine one of those chasing after me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're just we're just now having them come
around with the idea that you know, some of these
animals actually had feathers on them, right, they just weren't
totally sort of reptilians, So yeah, they really they're guessing,
and we don't even.
Speaker 6: Know what then would look like after four thousand years.
Maybe they were mammals and it just looks like a
reptile now because it's so degraded.
Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly possible.
Speaker 5: There's a weird Chris, there's weird friend friends Christian groups
out there that believe that the whole dinosaur thing is
a hoax, like that they never existed, and there's people
who will fight you on it. I think it's a hoax.
Have you ran into any of those people, gay heard them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's that's quite a common view that
the then, certainly within the Christian movement that I'm part of,
is that it is a hoax. I'm not I'm not
quite there that it is. But again I don't I
don't consider that anything is out of the possibility. When
it talks about how they're going to deceive us for
the end time, I mean we're talking about the greatest
deceptions ever, So this could be part of it. There's
just what you want to be is is uh not
too dogmatic and you want to be able to discern
the information as you go through and again as long
as it doesn't you know upset what what the Bible says,
then I'm fine with it.
Speaker 5: I'm with you on that. I'm not. I mean so
like in all my studying, because I've studied like the
secret societies and all that stuff and just blown away like,
oh my god, do you know they have this in order?
Oh man, they're passing this. Do you know so and
so did that? And it finally got to a place
is like, Okay, that stuff doesn't move me anymore. There's
nothing you can tell me that's going to make me like,
oh really like anything you could tell I understand the
spirit behind it and what they're doing. They're trying to
live forever. They're like drinking blood and putting other people's
blood in their bodies, not because like they needed infusion,
but they're doing it to feel better and feel younger
and maybe live forever. Just weird stuff that's going on.
And it really does get weird when you start looking
into the transhumanism and everything that they're doing with that.
So nothing blows my mind with that. So if it
came out to be a fact that hey, the government
admitted dinosaurs never existed, it was a hoax that they
did to push an agenda or somebody started it as
a joke and they never stopped it. Like it wouldn't
blow my mind. I wouldn't, you know, just because everything
that I've seen up to this point is there's just
so much that ties into what you're talking about in
Hollywood and the left and all of these agendas and
the whole desensitization that goes on through film and theater
and stuff like that. Man, it's crazy. So did you
have another question for Gary brother?
Speaker 6: Yeah, since we were talking about the genes Flicinger, what
they're trying to do these days and trying to like
you're saying, transhumanize our DNA and excement with like so
we have better sight or you know whatever. People mentioned
that that might have been what they were doing before
the flood anyway, that caused the corruption of all flesh,
because of all flesh would be you know, off lge,
so animals and man kind of like and maybe just
like in the days of Noice, is it going to
be in our days? And I think we might be
starting to see some hate.
Speaker 4: What we thought about that. Yeah, And there's such a
host of creatures that are in other religions and mythologies
around the world that were somehow created, whether or not
it's the centaur being which is half human half horse,
or it's Pegasus, right, it just Chimera and just on
and on and on and on and all all of
these different creatures. Something was going on there, either you know,
sex was going on to create them, or they were
doing some you know, gene manipulation to create this. And again,
when we understand that all of the earth was corrupt,
then you understand that we had spread right throughout the
whole animal kingdom and probably the plant kingdom. And it
also maybe perhaps gives more meaning to God called the
animals to the art because he knew the ones that
were still pure and weren't corrupted, Yeah, right, and took
you know. Uh. And most people say, well, I don't
believe in the art because you couldn't get all the
different kinds of animals on the arc. Well they miss
understand what's being said. They're kind In the Bible is
used in the application as in species, so representative species
two of each for unclean and seven of each for
clean animals were taken. So not all the animals were taken,
just representative species to repopulate afterwards, and ones that weren't
corrupted with whatever was going on in the anti do
with un Epoch, whether or not it was DNA manipulation
or whatever.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. Yeah, Hey, Kenny, Hey care bro. Thanks for calling. Man,
I'm gonna put you on hold. I'll bring you back
here on in a minute. Okay, all right, all right, brother,
it's a good b right there.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: Wanted to ask you too. This is something I don't
know if you've seen this, but and I may lose
a bunch of fans after I admit this, but I
will admit it because it's who I am. I'm a
big fan of Benny Hen. I'm a big Benny Hen fan.
And some people make fun of me and quote why
why why? But I'm a big fan of Benny Hen,
especially his early work. Put it that way, Benny Hen
knows some stuff. I'll say that.
Speaker 4: He was on.
Speaker 5: This is Your Day or whatever with what's his name,
Paul Crouch before he passed, and it was a late
night show and I'm laying in bed and I just
have it on. I appreciate Benny Hen and he starts
talking about angels and demons and he's answering some questions
and stuff, and he's talking about some brochures that he's
put together and some teachings and stuff, and he starts
talking about these angels and he's given them this extra
knowledge about these angels. In the audience, their eyes are
wide open. Even Paul Croucher's like, Bennie, I've never heard this.
I've been a Christian serving the Lord for seventy years.
I've never heard this information. Oh yes, brother, these angels
they you know, the fallen angels and the demon spirits,
and they get on you. And it says that here.
And then he goes back and he starts quoting the
Book of Noch. So he's on TBN dropping all of
this wisdom from the Book of Enoch, and everybody's jaws
are dropped. They've never heard it, and they trust it
if it comes from from somebody of that stature, right,
they trust that if I come out and start talking
about the Book of Enoch and maybe another scenario. But
when he said it, it was like an authority figure.
And even see to see Paul Croucher's face, Benny, Benny,
I'm just a loss of words. You have to come back.
And he was just so blown away. But I was
in bed and I looked over at the TV. I
was like, okay, okay, Benny, I feel you dropping some
knowledge on the Book of Enoch on there on all
the people. There's just fun to see it coming out
in the light. You didn't see that by any chance
to Yeah, that's pretty pretty interesting. But I wanted to
ask you just before we go here for a minute,
I want to give a shout out to Alonzo Pichardo.
He's a friend of mine who sent me your work
and he works with with Freeman Freeman TV. He works
with Freeman a lot, so he sent me. He definitely
name dropped you a bunch of times about having you
on as a guest and for me to look into
your work. So thank you Alonza Pachardo for doing that.
And then there was a podcast and this was out
of the blue, so Alonzo mentions your name and then
as a podcast that I listened to called the Bad
Christian Podcast, and I download an episode and you're on
as a guest. And you know, I kind of like
those guys. I don't know how you got on there,
how if they reached out to you, because I know
some of them are into some conspiracies and and things
like that. I don't know how that happened, but I
was listening and I was kind of upset because I
heard Matt car Harder just trying to like, they have
you on as a guest, and then they're trying to
like disprove everything you're saying or doing the whole No, no,
that's not true. Now I don't believe it. As you're
sharing as a guest, talk a little bit about your
appearance on that show, because I'm I'm you know, I'm
I'm fans of those guys. But it was just kind
of awkward to hear that conversation kind of take those
little jabs and turns and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was rather interesting. They had reached out to
me to come on, and what they wanted to do
was have myself and somebody else that they would have
there and the two of us would debate two of
them about giants, and as it turned out, it was
you know, went against two. But it was rather odd
that we're debating giants and they're disputing what scripture says. Yeah,
I mean there and it was absolutely kind of bizarre. So,
I mean, all you can do is is just continue
to say, well, that's not what it says, here's what
it says, you know, verbatim, and you can choose to
believe it or not, but that's what it says. And
so you know, they and if you got into something
that they and they were talking about, Walt, do you
have any proof of any giants? So you start talking
about but yeah, then they then they shut you down
because they know you're armed with whether or not as
recent or ancient, and they don't want to hear that either.
So I think I think what happened was is they
were surprised that I could argue or I could present
the information against what they thought they would probably just
shoot me down, I suppose, because it seemed like a
rather interesting sort of setup for the debate. So it
kind of wasn't really a debate.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't supposed to be a debate when you
went on though, right, it was just kind of the
show you info and stuff.
Speaker 4: Well it was, but it was to be. But there
was supposed to be two on each side.
Speaker 5: Oh really, so they wanted to kind of have a
back and forth about pro Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 4: But what I wasn't prepared for that they weren't as
familiar with the Bible as I would have thought. So
it's hard to have that conversation with somebody arguing for
the Christian who doesn't know that things are in the
Bible or what it says.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's so awesome. But I was like, he's
talking about Gary Wayne. I was like, Hey, Gary Wayne's
on this episode. I'm definitely gonna listen, and I was.
It was getting good. Then at the end it got
kind of weird. I was like, Oh, why are they
doing that. It's like, I get a lot of guests
on here, and I don't agree with everything people say,
and I let them speak on the on the platform
and stuff, and some people in the chat room section
over here, they're just like correct him, correct him, debate him.
I'm like, I'm not asking the guests to come on
here try and debate him and prove him wrong and
and get into like a shouting match which happens and
contingent and get this shaking and all that kind of stuff.
I'm here because I've studied enough of what you bring
to the table that there's some things that we can
build upon to share versus Like, you know what you
believe this and I don't think it's right, Like, it's
isn't that weird to kind of go on an episode
of somebody show and do that as a guest, you.
Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, Well, I don't mind having a discussion on
different points of view because nobody is ever going to
agree with anybody one hundred percent of the time. Uh
So I think it's fair ball. And I think I
should be able to come prepared to defend my perspectives
on things, and I do. I'll back it up scriptually
all of the time. I also use outside sources, but
I measure everything in terms of what I wrote in
my book against what it says in the Bible. And
I think it's important that you come prepared to be
able to discuss about these things. That was a little
more than I would have anticipated. But what was really
nice was is how many people got ahold of me
afterwards and said it was so refreshing to see somebody
defend the Bible.
Speaker 5: There you go, there you go. Because they're kind of
all over the place on that show here, here, a little, there,
a little, but at least they're open about it though,
and they're open about, you know, actually discussing that, and
that's needed too. That's why the show is doing so well,
it's because they're open about it about Hey, I have
some questions about my own spirituality, in my own faith
and what the Bible means. So they're they're they're like
really flourishing right now because they're open. So kudos to
those guys the Bad Christian Podcast. I wanted I wanted
to ask you as well about some of the other
books that are mentioned, because they because they piqued my
interest and I think and there's a lot of them
we can't find. But like you were saying, the Old
Testament is built upon a lot of other books, and
and they start quoting these other prophets who we never
heard of in the Old Testament, Shemaya the prophet have
you are you? Have you heard of that?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not familiar with I know.
Speaker 5: That's the thing. It's like quote, they quote it, but
I don't think you can find it anywhere. Just like
the Book of enoch As, it is written in the
Book of enoch As, it is written in the Book
of Joshure. If you do, if you just do a
word study on this, like pull up the Strongs concordinance
with the eat sword, I'm sure you're familiar with that program.
And there's a bunch like it, but as it is
written or in the Book of and then there's all
these scriptures that come up. There's one called there's one
called the Prophet. Have you heard of that? No, this
Book of the Prophet? And and there and uh, there'll
just be a quote now hold on and like so
me the way my mind works, and like, hold on,
who is Shamaia the Prophet? And where's this book?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: And just little stuff like that. And there's so many
of them mentioned, but there's some of them that we
can find or something close, like the Book of Josher,
the Book of Giants, the Book of Jubilees, Adam and Eve.
When it gets into some of the gnostic stuff like that.
I don't really vouch for much of that. I just
I don't feel like it lines up. I feel like
it's like put I can feel when I read that
that it was put here to throw people off, like
it's something new. They're trying to word it to sound
like old English, you know, and things like that. But
what are some of the other books that are mentioned
of in the Bible or kind of go hand in hand.
A big one for me was the Testament of Solomon,
and I think that kind of fits in a lot
when it's talking about the demons and understanding the spirit
realm and how it operates. Was there any more books
that are mentioned of in the Scriptures that that kind
of kind of stuck out to you that you go.
Speaker 4: To, Well, there's a lot of them out there. Trouble is,
they're mostly Gnostic scriptures and Dead Sea Scroll scriptures, and
they're come out either, but they're all Gnostics. So and
there's certain aspects that is good for context. And I've
read most of those Gospels and some of the lines
up really really nice, but you know, the other seventy
five percent eighty percent is just all wrong, just to
put it nicely. So, and I think if you're going
to read explore a lot of these different apocryphal books,
to put it in the most euphimistic manner, you better
be very very centered in in scripture yourself and in
your faith because it can it could have a have
a an effect that you weren't expecting. So but I
you know, again, all of those I haven't really found
anything other than the Book of Enoch that runs very
very close to the Bible and it has some corruptions,
as I say, and as you say, uh, and I
put out posts on the Book of Yasher, in the
Book of Jubilees and other ones, and they're just they
are they are counter they are counter biblical, there's no
doubt about it.
Speaker 5: What about the Testament of Solomon, have you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm okay with that one. But again I don't
I will I don't generally quote out of the Testament
of Solomon because I don't know it's it's it's true source.
Because you have to understand that that Solomon is a
considered a magi in secret society. Yeah, he is one
of their significant patriarchs and some of those magicians, black magicians,
some of.
Speaker 5: The Keys of Solomon. Definitely don't don't mix those books up. Guys,
we're talking about the Testament of Solom. There's the Testament
of Solomon. I think, there's the Book of Solomon, which
is in the u which is in the Apocrypha, and
then they're the Keys of Solomon. The Kings of Solomon's
totally uh into like crazy crazy stuff. So don't mix that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And in the the Apocrypha that was in the
original King James and as part of the Catholic Bible today.
I don't have a problem with those scriptures. Yeah, but
there's so many other ones out there, and there's more
seemingly coming to the surface all of the time.
Speaker 5: So yeah, you see where like you're saying, be careful,
like beef b be definitely definitely be grounded in the
word and in the scriptures that we do have the
sixty six before you kind of venture out. Definitely definitely
do that. You know, we talk about these books, we
kind of we kind of weave them, we quote him
here and there, but definitely be grounded before you try
to venture outside to something else, to kind of have
that foundation of what already exists in the cannon for
good reason, and for good reason being I had I
had some groups that I was studying under years ago,
and one of the brothers was into even just the
apocrypha and reading I think it was in the Book
of Eddres and reading about how you were given so
many days to travel once you die to heaven and
that we were to help pray these people through. And
I think that's a Catholic doctrine because the Catholic Bible
still has those scriptures in and they still go by them,
and there's some beautiful things in there. But he went
to it. He got invited to preach out a revival
and he started teaching that at a revival and they
actually ran him out. He's like, let's go to book
a second Edgress and they're like, what second look never
heard preaching about like somebody who passed away that we
can pray and get him there, and it's just, yeah,
you gotta be careful. Definitely, gotta be careful and be wealthy.
And then that.
Speaker 4: Man second extra has some great prophecies in there too. Yeah,
But even so, I don't rely on it as much,
you know, I will. I will use it sort of
as a backup, yeah, but not as a source.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's some there's some beautiful stuff in there. Man.
I've actually got a tattoo on my chest. It's a
scripture from the Book of Sarak and it says, strive
for the truth unto death, and the Lord shall fight
for the That's a that's a beautiful truth, and I
think the scriptures backed that up. So I got that
tattooed and it was funny. I had a h I
had a Jehovah's witness come by the other day and uh,
and I didn't know who it was. And I went
outside with my shirt off, and he's like looking at
all my tattoos and stuff, and he's seen the one.
He's I want to talk to you about that one,
that book. Like I'm like, sir, I'm not going to
fight you about this book. Like, uh, He's like, that
book's not in the Bible for a reason. He's lecturing
me on it. I said, it's a beautiful book. There's
some beautiful things in it. I'm not going to hold
it over the cannon those type of things, you know.
But he just wouldn't leave that. He wouldn't leave that alone.
I'm like, hey, it's not about that book, like it
is interesting, you know, but it was in the Bible
for over too, and he wouldn't.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't.
Speaker 5: But it's not anymore. I'm gonna tell you about Jehovah
and what why you know? And I was like, okay, hey,
we had a good conversation, but I wasn't looking to
win him over and he was trying to win me,
so it got kind of awkward a little bit. I
think we you have time for one more call absolutely
check out this call. We got a caller from southeast Texas.
UH caller on there who's speaking with.
Speaker 2: Oh hey, what's up?
Speaker 5: D S.
Speaker 7: Larson?
Speaker 5: All right, what's going on? Man, dude?
Speaker 7: Just just tune into your show. Man.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 7: We're me and Ammy. We're really encouraged with how you
stepped into the role that that y'all put you in, uh,
after after moving you to the next step, you know,
after your job.
Speaker 5: Amen. Thank you, man, I got chills you just uh
confirming that, Man, Thank you so much. I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: For sure.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Man. Well, UH love you, Gary. I've got your
books and right here next to me on my uh
right bedside table. Uh my dad got it for me
for uh for my thirtieth birthday. So love it.
Speaker 5: Love you.
Speaker 7: One of the things that I am uh making aware
to people is that UH is that we're a lot
closer to events transpiring and the end the day of
the Lord uh than a lot of people realize. And
one of the things that UH keeps being brought to
my attention is that the that the Book of Relation,
that it's the revelation of Yehushua. It's the revelation of
the Messiah, and so it's been occurring to me slowly
but surely that perhaps the way that the ruling elites
are going about this is they are planning for the
for the reign of their God, which they think is
ushering in a new golden age. They might think that
the millennium rain applies to them, and so they don't
have an idea of the sense of the sense of
urgency that we're in in this timeline. Hence why it
seems like they can kind of slow place some things,
or they think they can set all this up and
execute this, this and this and this. And the thing
is they're being allowed to do that because the Book
of Revelation and isn't meant for those who are who
are like them, It's meant for us. It's meant for
us to understand the scriptures talk about that they'll that
they'll uh that they'll see and not understand, you know,
and they won't be able to comprehend. It's interesting to
me because I'm just trying to make people aware that
this might not look like how we've all been taught
that is going to look like.
Speaker 8: And one of the things that's happening right now is
the hive mind is getting is getting ready is getting
prepared across I mean across the globe, and with five
G that might accelerate to their ultimate zeness or or whatever.
Speaker 7: But the thing is, it's like what you were saying,
d is that they those things We used to find
out the things that the other side is doing, and
you know, and report on that and get excited about
that or whatever. Nowadays it doesn't it doesn't matter. You know,
we're we pay attention, yes, but we're not focused on it.
And the point is to be kingdom focused and be
kingdom minded. And while they have their high mind going,
which is trying to simulate how the Holy Spirit, how
the Ruac Hakad speaks to the speaks to the bride,
the bride is coming into the same kind of realizations
and connections, almost seemingly telepathically, but through you know, through
the ruoc is that they're trying to experience on their
side and linking everybody up. And one of the things
that has been playing on my mind is Matthew twenty
A hold up. I does say that pulled up twenty
four thirty eight for it says for as in for
in those days that they were marrying and being given
in marriage and eating and drinking until the day that know,
when it went on the art. And to me, what
that sounds like is that they're just like in the flood,
they're not prepared for what is about to happen, and
it befalls them in an instant. So I'm letting people know,
you know, like that there there doesn't necessarily have to
be this like this moment where you're just like, oh,
that's it. You know, if you're not being led by
the Ruwak, I think you're going to I think you're
gonna be deceived and you're gonna be You're gonna miss it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess it was just more and more comments
on that. But but the thing is, it's like I
feel that we're that we're actually into the seals. We're
obviously not through the sixth Seal because there's a ton
of stuff that goes on then. But you know, I'm
letting people, you know, we don't have we don't have
the time.
Speaker 4: That you'll think.
Speaker 7: You know that a lot of people think.
Speaker 4: That we do.
Speaker 5: So to that how important is it to be in
tune with the Holy Spirit and kind of moving forward
with this whole end time thing. And there's so many
theories too that it can kind of get overwhelming or
this is happening, and like we're saying, being in tune
with what the government is doing or the King Alfred
Plan and all the Agenda twenty one and things like that,
and being concerned with that versus like the scriptures. That
is where I'm at, is the scriptures about whatsoever is good,
whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are pure? Like think
on these things. That's where I'm at. So where does
that play in as far as walking in the spirit,
being in the spirit of Christ, and then all of
the fake news and all of the media and all
of the crazy stuff out there.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I think you have to, you know,
watch what's going on in the media and stuff like that,
but you have to be able to discern. And as
the last caller was talking about, you know, revelation and
prophecy in itself doesn't tend to happen the way people
think it's going to happen, and people are always surprised
whether or not. It was with the first coming of Jesus.
With the Judaean people, they were absolutely surprised at the
way he appeared and weren't ready for it. And I
also like what the color had said about revelation and
that you know, it's the revelation of Jesus, and so
if you're going to understand revelation, you need to go
and listen to what Jesus said first. Actually should do
that on all prophecy and all doctrine, and then place
everything else around it. So he's quoting from Matthew twenty four.
I mean you have to go to that to understand
what's being talked about in the Bible, so as to
not in the revelation, so as not to be saved.
The whole point of the matter is is that we
will not be able to trust the information that's coming
at us. Will have to be grounded in scripture and
the Holy Spirit so that we can discern what is
happening and what is coming at us, because even the
electric will be deceived if that were possible. And just
by saying that that is what is going to happen,
you got anything else lost than you.
Speaker 5: Want to add?
Speaker 7: Yeah? No, man, just uh just loving, just loving it.
You know, we uh, I gotta show you this, I
gotta show you this really encouraging video that came to
us the other day, uh D and I Uh A
lot of a lot of people that we talked to
and that we're associated with and connected with have felt
like we're in a we're in a waiting period and
we've been in our secret chambers, so to speak, speaking
after him. And you know, if if we've learned anything
in our walk is not to run off because we
think we know where we're going or what the plan is,
and uh, you know him and I mean I can't,
you know, like I think we've all been there, you know.
We we're like, oh, yeah, no, I got this. You know,
all right, well I'm gonna let you go ahead and
do that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the.
Speaker 7: The time is, the time is coming. A lot of
one of the things of you know, I'm I'm involved
with Omni Good Music also, and we are growing into
one of the largest labels of in in music, in
Christian music, and we've got everything from from rap to rock,
to to heavy metal to country music, you know. And anyways,
what what we've understood is that the Kingdom is starting
here on earth and that we are preparing the way
for the Messiah to return, you know. But but it's
being done right now, it's not something that we're looking
forward to in the future, you know, like I understand
that it might not have accelerated to the point where,
you know, but but it starts out humble, you know,
it starts out as a seat and we're just just
looking forward and following you guys, and you know, just
just teaching various individuals around us, you know. I'm uh,
there's definitely definitely people that we keep getting put in
contact to who are wanting the truth and in these days.
Uh okay, so real quick, last thing, something super interesting.
The day of the clips, my girlfriend Emmy and future wife,
she got this verse in her head Amos eight eight
where it talks about that in that day that the
ward will cause the sun to go dark at noon,
and then the rest of the chapter talks about how
that he's going to be sending a famine on the land,
not one of bread or water, but one of hearing
and understanding the word in the Truth of the Most High.
And what was crazy is that that it was on
the day of the eclipse. Well, a couple of days later,
we were talking to somebody and she said, well, you
know what, like me and my husband got a message
from the Holy Spirit to look up in Amos eight
on the day of the eclipse, and we're just sitting
there and you know, we'd be surprised by these things,
but it doesn't surprise us anymore. It's just how things
are unfold, things are going. What the thing is is
that this this famine that is coming on the land
doesn't necessarily have to be one of food, and it
doesn't have to be one of water, and it can
be spiritual food and spiritual water. And so that's why
I'm just another part of you know, making people aware
of the time that we're in because it doesn't it
doesn't have to go down like you think it does,
you know. But but that's just another cool thing, you
know about messages from the.
Speaker 5: Rou are so dude likes having me? Yeah, man, dude,
I got to have you on as a guest man, dude, absolutely,
we will do it soon, my brother, Thank you for calling.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, love you guys, Love you, bro.
Speaker 5: That's a that's a big thing. As far as people
waiting for God, I know there's a time that we wait.
I know there's a time for us to be that
we have to be sent. But like you said that
there is people out there who are hungry. Even as
we look and see homeless people and people famish for food,
there's a hunger and thirst for the truth and for
the word of God. Those who hunger and thirst for
righteousness shall be filled. So just wherever you are, know
if you're on the job site, you're at Walmart, wherever
you are, wherever God has you, don't be afraid to
speak the truth. To speak the truth and love and
to share with them. People are waiting for you. The
earth is groaning for the manifestations of the sons of God,
for you to be an expression of God's love. So
anybody out there waiting to be sent you have my permission.
Speaker 6: You go.
Speaker 5: You just simply simply give what has been given to you,
no more, no less. If you receive the grace of
God upon your life, and he's shown you grace and mercy,
show that to others freely you have received, freely give
Do it, man, Because like you said, the time is sure.
People are hungry. People are are They want the truth.
And so if we don't, if we don't tell them
the truth, if we don't give them, if we don't
answer their questions, they're gonna go, They're gonna go to
other people, and some of those people who in many
of our cases they go to like the New Agers
and stuff like that, who would totally answer their questions,
totally give them their truth. So it's sound for us
who in a movement of truth, a truth movement. This
is the Truth Seek a podcast. If we have the truth,
why not share it, why not be vocal about it?
If we have what they're looking for? And that's for
every believer, that's for everybody who has a spirit and
love of the truth of the manifestation, be that manifestation
of Christ in you, the hope of glory Christ out
of you, the manifestation of that hope. One more question
before we end it. I appreciate you hanging out with
me on here. Brother. We so mainly where I'm at
now studying in the scriptures is the esoteric breakdowns of
the Bible, as far as like the spiritual meanings of
the Old Testament. I know we have, you know, the
physical way of looking at it like it's a history
book and things me now, I'm when I read about
the Israelites, when I read about Egypt, those represent different
things in my life. My land of sin and when
I was in the land of bondage, and that represents
a part of my life. And I can't help but
read the Bible and not see these pictures anymore about
it telling about my spiritual path and spiritual life. So
when I see the when I see the Israelites coming
in Israelites meaning children of God, a child of God,
coming into battle with these other nations and doing war
and killing everyone that's in the other nations, I see
it as different strongholds, different ideologies and thought patterns and
idolatry that I've given myself over to. And just as
they fought with them, I have to fight with those
spiritual entities essentially, and we overcome through Christ same way
they overcome, We overcome. That's how I look at it now.
But when we're talking about the killing of the other nations,
and especially I'm sure joining it in with Genesis six,
a lot of people are talking about how they are
the Israelites are justified with slaughtering entire nations of women
and children and not letting any of them get out,
because that these were nations of Nephelim and giants, and
that they have this call to eradicate them off the
face of the planet to do war with them. With
that being I'm pretty sure we can agree with you.
You've heard of that, right, Oh?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean they, I mean the Promised Land was
absolutely overflowing with Repaem and Anachem, and they interbred hybrids
like the Amorites would have intermarried with them then, So
they had gone there laying in wait for Israel to
come as part of that revenge we were talking about earlier,
to wipe them from the face of the earth so
the Messiah wouldn't come. So, yes, this is about the
giants and who are violating and corrupting the land?
Speaker 5: Is that? Okay? Here's the tricky thing because many people
still believe, you know that these bloodlines are still ruling now, right,
And I feel like it's very very similar to like
the genocide, with even like Hitler believing that they were
the pure race and that they had to eradicate the
other nations that were weaker. We can't mix with them,
we can't intermarry, and stuff like that. Where does that
tie in? Do you see that? You see the connection there? Definitely?
Speaker 4: But sure, And in the book, in case anybody's interested,
I have a chapter devoted to the Nazis and the
relationship to the nphilom and the belief systems. So, in
a nutshell, what is going on with the Nazis as
they believed that they were part of the Aryan race
and of course the air and race or blonde hair,
blue eyed Nephelo who escaped through Tartarus after the flood,
and Tartaris for people who are familiar with Greek mythology,
is the prison that the Titans or the giants who
rebelled were imprisoned in, right, And that part of the
organizing societies to create the Nazis was the Thule society.
Thule is the ancient Atlantis. It's either one of the
same or just sort of a real or voc slant
to it, or it's a different on different civilization of
one of the seven in the ancient world, but it
sounds like it's the Aryan Atlantis anyways. It could be
Asgard for example. And so this is the type of
organization that is putting the Nazi religion together, which is
theosophy mixed with real and volkside theology, and real is
about the bloodlines and the bloodlines of the Arians and
creating a new super race through it, which they want
to create the new Man, which is the Nephilum concept,
and it's the blonde hair, blue eyed version that they're
trying to recreate. And it all goes back to their
belief system that is polytheism, and they call this religion ariosophy.
And in nineteen thirty thirty he set up the Right Search,
which is the same type of religion that's going to
come in the end time. Nothing is new under the sun.
Everything is being played over and over and over and over.
And just as they reduce Jesus back to a mortal
profit status in that belief system, they will do the
same in the end time. And so you want to
look at an analogy and occultism research the Nazis, because
I think that's a very good parallel for the end time,
complete with amasiatic figure like Hitler and the.
Speaker 5: Holocaust, something what a Larson brought to the table talking
about they're all waiting for this Messiah to come and
it's non Jesus, and I think that we're talking about
this Antichrist figure to rise into to unify the nations.
It won't be something holy, it won't be something beautiful,
but it will fulfill everything in their holy books that
they're waiting for. They're waiting for this Mantrea type figure.
Speaker 4: Yes, and all religions around the world and societies that
are polytheists are waiting for their own Messiah. So it
could be a Buddha, could be Lord Matreya as they
like to call them, And there's many a recreation of this.
Vishnu is the other sort of aspect that goes along
with that Eastern mysticism. And Jesus said that there would
be many false Christs come in the end time, so
there's going to be a lot of counterfeit messiah before
the true one steps forward, which is again why people
are going to be getting ahead of themselves in so
many ways, uh and being disillusioned. And then when the
Antichrist does come after what seems to be the full
you know, the bold judgments, but it's just the trumpet
and the seals being open, they're going to say, hey,
that's the true Messiah when he comes, right. Yeah, people
have to be able to discern. So this idea of
false messiahs, they're coming, just as the false prophets are coming.
We haven't seen them yet, but I think we're going
to start seeing them soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. Well, Gary Wayne, I appreciate you coming on
the podcast hanging out with me. I got to pick
your brain for a little while, and I ask you
a bunch of questions that I had for you in
a really good building with you man plug your website
and you and your book again and all the work
that you're doing right now, if you want to go
ahead and do that for the listeners, and I'll put
all the links in the show description in everything as well.
Speaker 4: Sure. The book is called The Genesis six Conspiracy, How
secret societies and the descendants of Giants plan to enslave Humankind.
It's available through Amazon dot com, Barnes, Andoble dot com
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and I have a generous excerpt on each of those chapters,
so you can get a good look at it on
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Number six dot com conspiracy dot com, and you can
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Speaker 5: You heard the man, do it? Go there and support
this book. I'll have a link in the show notes
and on the website as well. Gary Wayne, thank you
so much for hanging out with me. Man. I appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Man well, thank you for having me. It's been very fun.
And invite me back anytime.
Speaker 5: We'll do brother, Thank you so much, Thank you, God
bless awesome show. Awesome show. I've done so much research
on Genesis six and the fallen Angels in the Nephelo
And there was just a period of time where I
would just consume with that stuff, man, And and I
think everybody goes through that season, right, and let's have
questions select to revisit it. And there's a lot of
truth to hold on through it though, a lot of truth,
especially where I'm at now as far as like I've
given myself over to studying the spirit realm, how it
operates and how it moves around. And if you want
to if you want to know that, you have to
go to Enoch, like you have to pick up Enoch.
So Kenny you there, brother? Yes, all right, man? What'd
you think of the show?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 6: Another drink?
Speaker 5: Awesome? I know you probably got to get up for
work early, too, don't you.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, I think, uh, session on a lot
of things that I've been, uh, you know, researching myself,
trying to find the truth. Trying to find the truth, man,
always just trying to find the truth.
Speaker 5: Yeah. My my simplistic reach for it is always gone
back to and this has led me many places, but
my simplistic reach has always gone back like did Jesus
have it you know, did the disciples have it? You
know what I'm saying, did they know it? So when
we're talking about Enoch, when we're talking about Solomon and
some of these other books, was that something that they
referenced a lot?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: And the more studying you do you find out, Yeah,
because there are what it's called dark sayings and obscure
verses and esoteric and stuff that seems a cultic because
you read it one time and you keep reading. Like
I said about the you know, the women covering their hair,
you read that in the New Testament and Corinthians, and
I believe it's in Peter as well, and you just
keep reading. You don't really go into that, but just
doing the breakdown of some of these other books you
find out how they fit because they give you some
more info on that stuff.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I can't agree with you more. I
remember the first time I read the book Ko and
it just blew my mind. I was like, what is
all this? Why in this on the box?
Speaker 5: I know?
Speaker 6: Right out?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, they said that there's some some things that
are inconsistent and some things that may seem far out
as doctrinal wise, but hey, nothing more than's not in
the Bible, right, some things.
Speaker 6: You know, I think it only became inconvenient because people
forgot how to explain it to the scientists.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go, man, They definitely are explaining away
the spirituality, right, and the demons and stuff like that,
and stuff that, you know, the ailments and stuff. Man, Jesus.
In the early Church, they believed and disc gets into
some deep, some deep stuff, because there's a lot of
stuff when you look into the medieval writings, they believed
that germs were demons and the little microscopic organisms. Well
we're talking about these dragons and these monsters and these beasts.
When you look at the micro scopic organisms, what do
they look like? They look like these weird beast and
dragons and stuff, and when they get in your body
they cause ailments and sickness and things like that. So
there's a lot of stuff about those being the actual
demons or the entities on a microscopic level. So I
wouldn't say that essentially science is explaining in a way,
but if we look at it with a trained eye,
for me, it's helping it make even more sense, you know.
And there's prayers from the medieval time of them banishing
the worms and the dragons, and they're talking about these parasites,
you know, And if we look at how demons operate
in the spirit realm, they operate exactly like parasites. They
get on you, they suck your energy out, they leach
onto you, and you have to be rid of them
the same way. It gets into some deep breakdowns.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, man, I'm I'm just all over the place
in my mind right now. I'm trying to collect my thoughts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, talking about that, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I remember when I was like ten years old. I
remember when I was like ten or twelve years old.
I was playing basketball in the driveway with my friend
and I look up in the sky and I see UFO.
I'm like, what the heck is that? And i see
a helicopter chasement. I'm like, okay, yeah, well, I guess
when I'm playing basketball, I don't know what to think
about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, when I not.
Speaker 6: Really, I mean, that's that's that's my faith for real.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: When I when I really got into studying that stuff,
I was led to a lot of the Christian work.
When I started studying about aliens, and angels and the
falling angels. That's because if you if you're a Christian
and you and that's what I'm kind of glad we
didn't go down this road. He touched on it for
a second, but I didn't want to spend I didn't
want to spend a lot of time there, and I
wasn't going to debate them about it. But if you're
a Christian and you're looking up the fallen angels, you're
eventually going to be led to the alien stuff and
the alien and and so all the Christian realm says that, uh,
aliens or ets are fallen angels there. They want to
abduct you and beat you up and take your body
and kidnap you and stuff like that, and all like
they they definitely could be. But all of the Christian
stuff that that that you look up, they're definitely going
to tell you that it's demonic, demonic all the way.
And so I started studying that under all the big
names uh Lynn Marzouli, Steve Quail, Tom Horn, and just
so many other people who's like these are demons. And
then I'm going out and I'm having my own encounters
under the stars, and I'm praying to God. I'm fasting,
I'm praying, praying clean, conscious, and I say, God, let
me see the seraphim, let me see the elohem. The
elohem who are traveling back and forth from heaven to Earth,
as your scripture says, that are doing war over humanity.
If they are out there and they are of you,
would you please let me see them. And that was
my prayer with the purest of intentions. And after studying
all the demonic stuff and being scared of aliens my
whole life as a kid, you know, watching horror movies
and firing the sky and all these movies, and I
started to have encounters man, and yeah, I started to
have I started to see what we maybe call craft.
But then I started to see what seemed to be
living entities flying in outer space. Not that they were
a ship with I don't even know if there were
ships with beings in them, but these and these orbs
seem to be alive. And I'm praying to the Most
High God, and I understand the scripture says that you're
that if you pray and you ask for bread, your
father's not going to give you a stone. If you
pray and ask for a fish. Your father's not going
to give you a serpent. So there was a lot
of people say, hey, man, be careful with that. You
may be calling forth UFOs, dude, maybe talking the demons
out there. If my intentions are pure and I am
one with Christ and the Holy Spirit lives within me,
and my intentions are part, and I ask my heavenly father, Lord,
if these are of you, would you please show them
to me. Let let one pass by, And then I
start having all these crazy encounters. Man, that's how that's
how this stuff went to the next level for me.
And I was wondering myself, Dude, that's how everything started
for me. It really is of doing the studying and
going out there under the under the sky. So and now,
so I play with a lot of the names and
terms and stuff like that, but I believe that they're
the angels of the Most High. We're talking about Enoch.
When Enoch says that while they while they are in heaven,
let's go, let's go to what is heaven? What does
the Bible say, Heaven is heaven is the sky. It's
the same Hebrew word when it says I looked up
into the sky and I beheld this, I looked up
into the heavens. It's the same Hebrew word. So looking
up into this, when we gaze into outer space, we're
gazing into the heavens. And so these angels are traveling
back and back and forth. Enoch says that these angels
travel heaven back and forth, and they are made out
of fire, like Gary Wayne said, the seraphim. The word
seraphim means the fiery ones, the ones who are made
out of fire. Enoch reiterates it and says, yes, there
are the fiery ones that when they travel at the
speed of light, they look like fire. And then when
they come to earth, they have the ability to take
on the bodies of men and look like men when
they come to earth. And so these are the angels.
And it's even mentioned of in Psalms. The book of
Psalm says he maketh his ministering angels as a flame
of fire. Is reiterated in Hebrews that same scripture, he
maketh his ministering angels, his minishing spirits as a flame
of fire. And to go and so to have these
visions under the night sky or the morning sky, and
see these things. Man. It opened it up. And I've
talked about this because many people will say, okay, it
makes it to where Okay, then there's something else going on.
And for some people it would weaken their faith. They're like, hey,
if aliens are real, then the Bible's not real, you know,
weird stuff like that. But for me, it's like, no,
it becomes even more real because it's not like where
Heaven is an imaginary place when you go when you die,
and angels are these beings who exist in another realm.
But no, this off has taken place right above our heads.
Even now. Edgar Casey says that the battle of Armageddon
will be fought in the heavens, in outer space. It
opens up so much stuff, man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I remember, man, when I first started looking
into this stuff. There's a couple of years before I
meant you probably, but me and my wife we watched
The Ghost Hunters and we watched whatever that other one
was with the chick. I can't remember the name of
that show, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about,
and just started realizing, you know, I don't believe in God.
Just started realizing they were wondering what is this and
trying to looking for answers in the Bible. I'm looking
for answers from God and hearing Ali talk about her
experiences and everything. And I've never gone into witchcraft do anything.
I had data girls that did a lot, but I know,
I just kind of said, okay, yeah, whatever, go have fun,
and didn't really believe in any of it. But to
come to find out that really, I mean, that that
stuff real, It's true. It does have a power. There,
there is real There were real magicians that could turn
a staff into the snake. There were real magicians that
could turn water into blood. I mean, you know, that
stuff was real, So why are we so scared of it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 6: And I just let you down, you know, path And
two years later I hooked up with you and.
Speaker 5: We're still traveling, traveling, and the whole, the whole thing
about that is too for one thing to be real.
So if there was magicians who could turn you know,
a staff into uh a or whatever they did, I
forgot what the what the evil musicians did, but okay,
they turned it into a serpent. Well, Moses, through his
to the ground, turned his into a serpent and his
atom right, I believe it was, And so yeah, so
so for for one thing to be true, the opposite
has to be true as well. So as far as
like black magic is concerned or evil occultism, well there's
white magic and that I believe that's the practice of
Jesus and understanding demons and how to cast them out,
Like there's an art to it. You have to study
this stuff, like I've given life to understand this stuff,
and it gets into some very interesting stuff. But we
just know from like trial and error, and then like
I said, get back to the purest intentions, like what
did Jesus know? Like and so I look at I
look at every exactly and not him being the son
of God, but just him and the disciples. Like IU said,
that's why I bring up the disciple. Let's look at
the disciples. What did you know? What I'm saying, what
did they know? And uh, you know, they were well
well versed in in Enoch, and they were well versed
in lots of books that weren't included in the canon,
and even the Testament of Solomon for one, because Jesus
talks so as that, hey we're talking about demons. You
got one greater than Solomon standing before you right now.
And they were talking about demonism and spiritism and casting
out demons. So I said, hold on, why are they
why are these people mentioned in Solomon? And why is
Jesus venerating Solomon about about demons, Because that's not in
the Bible. Like, it doesn't it doesn't bring up anything
in the scriptures. You have to go into the Testiment
of Solomon to find out even like you know what
I'm saying, like what is it beezo Bub? What was
mentioned of too only one time? And so the Christians
will tell you, well, that's just that's just Satan. Beezo
Bub is Satan. No beeze Bub is a separate entity,
and there's ancient texts that talk about him and the
different legions that are under him. And so like I
fully believe that you have to really go into these
books to understand like the spirit realm and how these
demons operate, and to fully understand the Bible. That's why
I say that, because there's no way, there's no way
you'll understand who Beelzebub or beez Above is if you've
not read Solomon. There's no way people think that's Satan,
that's Azazel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, it's The only thing in the Old Testament
about it is you send the goat out to is Azel,
and they just put a name of Azel on a
desert in the map. And they say, oh, well, that's
just because they're talking about the desert. And then you
read the book at email, I can find out that
God described all sin to Ael. So that's why they're
sending the.
Speaker 5: And then and then you wonder why, I think, what
is it paramount pictures? When you're watching a movie, you're
watching paramount pictures. I believe it is. And there's the
there's the big mountain, and all these stars come around.
I think it's seven stars or thirteen stars. They come
the sky these stars, and the stars are symbolic for
the angels. Enoch tells you that the stars of the
stars are angels. And these stars come down and they
gather around the top of the mountain. And that's that's
what Enoch talks about, that the stars came down from
heaven or the watchers, and they gathered around the top
of the mountain, and uh, and that's where they Despite that,
they started playing, plotting out to go down and take
wives and women to go town and do all types
of destruction upon the earth. It's kind of funny. We
have our mutual friend Anthony, he's a good friend of ours.
But uh, he mentioned that was the thing. He started
reading Enoch and he couldn't get past that the stars
are angels. Bro. The stars are really really bro.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, it becomes from a belief that their balls
of fire that are billions of miles away that we
can never get to. Sure, science doesn't about anything, so
why should they be right about that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was his hang up. And I remember giving
another friend of mine when I was in the Enoch,
a friend of mine, Samuel, Samuel McCrae, good friend of mine.
You guys know him.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I actually gave him my Testament of Solomon to read
and he was reading it. His dad found it and
his dad brought it up to the church that I
went to, and he brought it up to the cave
and put it in the envelope and wrote my name
on and gave it to the Pastor was like his
dad found a book and gave it back to me.
I was like, all right, man, it's for your son, man,
you know, And he just watching over his son and
stuff and not wanting him to get into anything crazy
like that. But it's kind of funny. You know.
Speaker 6: My dad kind of looked at me funny when I
told him I read the book. Kind I believed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's so fun With many preachers.
Speaker 6: It's funny they learn about it in college, but then
they're also taught that it's not true, but they have
to you didn't know it anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny that there is a resurgence of it
now and so it's even more accepted. Like, oh, you
haven't read Ena, so you're kind of like on that.
You're kind of like on the fringe. If you haven't
read it, you never heard it en. Know, Man, that's
a that's like an elementary book truthers, you know what
I'm saying. So and like I said, pastors preaching out
of it now and stuff, and they're like making mention
and reference learn about it. Yep, they're like I learned on.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I learned about the Book of narch on
Ancient Aliens and then I looked it up that night
I read it. I mean that was about the same
time thar shows I was watching. It was like the
beginning of my wife thinking I was crazy and then
not thinking that was so crazy anymore because she's ver
believing it.
Speaker 5: Dude, you you know, you know the backlash I got
bro going into you know, post line and doing interviews
and talking about aliens and interviewing people then, but like
it was the real deal and I had to I
had to reconcile that with my wife, and I didn't
want to tell her, and like, I feel like I
lost a lot of friends over that stuff, you know,
over just living my truth and what I believe in
and telling my wife. And I remember sitting her down
at dinner because she knew I was into it, but
to sit down and be like, hey, all right, this
whole alien thing and just like have the discussion with
my wife about the alien thing, you know, and uh,
and I went outside, you know what it took. It
went out. We went in my backyard and we prayed,
and I showed her. I said, Father, will you show
my wife if these are you and and these are
the angelic heavenly hosts, the elohem, the Seraphim, the Cherubim,
the fire recurpents, will you show her? And he showed her.
They lit up the night sky man and it's it's
it's It sparks so much awe and wonder within you
when you have those type of experiences. I had so many,
like not even on like I talked about, like when
we would go out, like and people would want to
drink or smoke pot or something. I'm like, no, we're
not doing that. Like if we're gonna go out and
we're gonna make contact, we're gonna see something I don't
want anybody to say. Or you were drunk, or you
guys were drinking or whatever. And I don't smoke pot,
but some of my friends were, And I'd be like, Nope,
y'all can't do it. If y'all do it, we're not going.
And we'd go out and we'd take blankets and we'd
lay out under the stars all night and we'd gaze
into the heavens, dude, until we've seen something move. And
you'd just be gazing at stars, and all of a sudden,
one of them would move and they would take off
and fly to the other direction. You would think it
was a star, but it was something that was just
sitting there outside of the atmosphere, sitting there posed for
like an hour down so they'd take off moving or
you see one flying across the sky and then stop
and then go the other direction, and two or three
of them. Just crazy stuff I was seeing out there, man,
and it was blowing by. I thought I was going crazy.
I'm trying to reconcile it. Then I started seeing them
during the day, you know what I'm saying, So it
turned it got got really weird for me. And that's
that's how adamant it was for me to kind of
put my neck out there to say, hey, like I
want to talk about this. I need to First of all,
I need to find out what's going on, because something's
going on, and whether it's demons who are deceiving me,
messing with me. But I totally didn't believe that, but
just trying to trying to reconcile what was happening and
seeing crazy stuff out there, but it became more real
to me, like the scriptures did. It piqued my interest, like, hey,
this stuff is real. The saraphim are real. You know,
they're not fake. They're not in a theory or theology
or whatever. These dudes are out there, you know what
I'm saying. And it's awesome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love it, you know, Yeah, I mean I've
always well kind of felt like there was something watching
over me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: I've never seen any thing like that other than the
one time I saw the UFO. I did see that.
Speaker 5: It kind of it kind of.
Speaker 6: Mind.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it kind of blew my mind because it was
such a thing that was so easy, and I'm like, man,
we're just living on It was almost symbolic for like,
like paying attention to the things above. Be focused on
the things above, because we live our lives and we
don't even look up and this stuff is taking place
above our heads like every day, like all I would
do is just look up and see all this stuff,
and I'm like, man, But in the midst of that
was a spiritual moment for me, though, because I'm praying
the whole time, I'm talking to God and singing worship
songs and like connecting with the Father, and then start
seeing crazy stuff in the night sky, you know. And
but it's like, you know what, this has been here
the whole time, and I've been too busy and worried
about myself and whatever my music or whatever the case is,
my life, making money, functioning as a member of society,
and I would have to a stop and look up
and the truths right above our heads. You know, I
believe anybody can have those experiences. I don't think that
it's like, oh, I'm chosen to see them because I
prayed and fasted, like that's what I did. But I
believe anybody can. There's, dude, there's people who aren't who
are like having all kinds of experiences out there. People
are going out there with night vision goggles and seeing
stuff out there in the nice sky that you can't
see with the naked eye. You have to have like
night vision goggles or even regular binoculars. You can see
so much more out there. And once the weather cools down. Dude,
it's been so long since I've had an encounter or
went out there and done that. Because once you have
seen so much, it kind of gets old for you,
or you figure out what do you do with this info?
Like what's the next step? You know, and it gets
it gets insane, man, it gets crazy, and uh, you
have to be able to be able to put the
info apply it to your life. Like whatever you're getting,
what's the point of it? Are you learning anything from it?
Or it's just vanity or you just want to know
part of it's that I want to know how the
universe operates, man, you know, I want to know what's
going on. I want the truth. And that's part of it.
Something's going on, whether it's not, whether it's advanced technology
from the government, or if it's really the angelic realms
above our heads, which which I believe.
Speaker 6: You know, Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's all part of
his creation. We're just trying to figure out a little
to explain it. And we can't, Yeah, because it's too
it's too unfathomable. We don't have the brain capacity to
understand how it really works. We don't try to just
make our little It doesn't it doesn't work.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I've been trying to look down or not, like trying
to imagine myself looking down on the world and seeing
everything that's going on all at the same time, you know,
and like the influence everywhere, like in the whole world
at the same time. You can see things happening when we're.
Speaker 5: Looking when we're talking about cancer and growth and stuff
like that, and like algae and stuff like when when
you look at I've even heard there's a there's a
snippet of Joe Rogan talking about flying into l a
from like coming through like Colorado and stuff and how beautiful,
how green and lust it is. And then the flying
into La and then even in like like uh, flying
through New York and just it's a brown smoke. It's
a smog above the city and the and the air
tastes different and it smells different. It feels different, and uh,
and and even like from from the satellites and seeing
like the you know what I'm saying, the woods are
changing colors from lush greens to brown, and all the
pollutions and stuff like that. Seeing it from like an
organism perspective of the planet being a living entity, and
if you do back up, you see us as like
almost as a cancer to the earth and killing the
earth and building machines and technology and taking the blood
from the earth to oil and depleting it from all
of its minerals and things like that. And when you
step away from it from outer space and you look
at it and how cities look different, forests looks different,
lakes look different. Now have you seen some of the
pictures they got pictures of like ten year gaps on
like some big lakes and rivers and forests and it
all looked totally different. It look bad, man, it looks sick.
And so it's almost like the planet of Mother Earth.
It's just got a bunch of fleas on her and
she's eventually you know, these hurricanes like shake trying to
shake the fleas off, you know what, saying, get some
of the best juju out of it. You know what
I'm saying, trying to breathe, shake, shake the fleas off
of her. You know, it's crazy, man.
Speaker 6: It's also I thank this, you know, coming closer and
closer to the times, like Jesus said, you know, it's
going to be simulations all over and and just.
Speaker 5: Wars and whole world storms, earthquakes and diverse places and
all of that stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeh, normal earthquakes were more and more volcano eruptions every year.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 4: I'm man, everything's just I'm tripping.
Speaker 6: The Earth is trying to tell everything that it's about time,
and you know that scientists are saying.
Speaker 5: That's what the scriptures talk about. And I'm upset that
is not cold yet. Man, It's supposed to be coldtober Man.
Remember when I was a kid, Dude, I hate I
hate like on things on on Halloween Thanksgiving and Christmas.
It not being cold out. I hate it being hot,
like sweating hot and humid on Christmas morning or or Thanksgiving.
Like that's part of the memories, man, that the cool
air and stuff, and we do we haven't been getting
it every year. That's what I look I look forward
to that if it's going to be if it's going
to be hotter cold on Christmas, and I look forward
to be cold and just that winter spirit, you know
what I'm saying. And it's just like each year it's
getting hotter and hotter and hotter. And whether that's a natural,
natural thing that happens, I don't know, but I don't
like it whatever it is, you know what I'm saying.
We had like three days of winter last year. Dude.
Speaker 6: You know, I think it's a localized thing though, because
there were other places that had the worst winter that they've.
Speaker 4: Ever had, you know, yeah, I mean yeah, we were
looking at the uh the weather is.
Speaker 6: More unpredictable or following less and less of the patterns,
I think, just because another way, guys just trying to say, hey,
but you don't really know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just a couple, just a couple of states up.
It's freezing cold right now. You know we're down here.
The humidity in the south man, the mosquitoes.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 5: Man, it's like I don't like being outside. I don't
like going out there. I don't have a lot of
fun and unless I'm like preoccupied, but being out there
and we're in the woods too, like, come on, man,
it's crazy. Hey bro, I'm gonna go ahead and jump
off here. Man. Thank you for hanging out with me, brother,
calling in and just hanging out for a little while.
And I thank you guys for coming over last night.
I had fun with y'all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was fine again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, get into some more video games with the family.
Heck yeah, all right, brother, God bless me. Man, you
guys have a good night, all right. Shalom shalom peace peace. Yeah. Man,
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