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Speaker 4: So all right, a lot that I want to just
Speaker 4: jump into here because we are loaded today. As always,
Speaker 4: that's what we do, and I guess I'll start with
Speaker 4: with last night's result in the Louisville basketball game. We
Speaker 4: did not have a postgame show last night, and I
Speaker 4: will give you guys as best I can when I can,
Speaker 4: what our plan and arrangement is for Louisville basketball postgame
Speaker 4: shows this year, because you know, I know that you
Speaker 4: got used to listening after every game, and you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know how great this season is going to go,
Speaker 4: but I know it's going to be a lot better
Speaker 4: than the last two years. Two years when we did
Speaker 4: postgame shows and you know, it was like a funeral
Speaker 4: every every time, seemingly, so you know things will be
Speaker 4: better this year. But we are I mean, I'll just
Speaker 4: say it, we're really really thin right now when it
Speaker 4: comes to those who can get us on the radio,
Speaker 4: and what I mean by that is those who can produce,
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Speaker 4: better than others. I mean, it's just literally, we have
Speaker 4: certain people that we hired to run the board, and
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Speaker 4: little bit more. They have a little bit more of
Speaker 4: a role, a little more involvement. We just, you know,
Speaker 4: we're really thin right now. I think that's going to
Speaker 4: change in the next couple of weeks, which will give
Speaker 4: us a better feel for what we can do as
Speaker 4: far as scheduling. But you know, I don't want to
Speaker 4: just act like I don't just ignore it and act like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, we'll and it's not great to have the
Speaker 4: shows and then all of a sudden just not do them.
Speaker 4: But last night we weren't able to Friday night, doubt it,
Speaker 4: But maybe we will. But I'm hopeful that once we
Speaker 4: get through Thanksgiving, we'll have a little bit more more
Speaker 4: bodies to utilize to you know, get us on the air.
Speaker 4: But until then, you know, we'll work with what we can.
Speaker 4: So last night Louisville, I mean sloppy start. I mean
Speaker 4: I did I don't want to start with something negative.
Speaker 4: Louisville did win the game, and it really you know,
Speaker 4: I mean they won one hundred and sixty eight and
Speaker 4: covered a thirty point spread overall, played well, but it
Speaker 4: was a slow start and I'm going to assume that
Speaker 4: their slow start was based off rust. I mean, they
Speaker 4: didn't play in a game for ten days, which you know,
Speaker 4: I know last week we talked about the the lack
Speaker 4: of home like that you want to you're going to
Speaker 4: go an entire month without having a home game for football,
Speaker 4: and you know that can't be normal. The ten day
Speaker 4: break there that also wasn't normal. There's some teams that
Speaker 4: have played like five or six games in Louisville played
Speaker 4: their third game last night, So I'm not blaming anybody,
Speaker 4: but like if there is somebody that's kind of in
Speaker 4: charge for that, I mean, I don't think that's the right.
Speaker 4: I mean, I would imagine even coaches don't like that. Now,
Speaker 4: as far as football scheduling, I mean, I would imagine
Speaker 4: that the AC. You know, you're playing nothing but ACC
Speaker 4: games for that stretch, So I'd blame it on the
Speaker 4: ACC when it comes to football. But the ten days
Speaker 4: without a game in November it was weird, and I'm
Speaker 4: sure it was weird for these guys as well. I
Speaker 4: know they were practicing and you know, trying to get
Speaker 4: better from that Tennessee loss, But it just seemed kind
Speaker 4: of awkward to start the game yesterday. But once Louisville
Speaker 4: got rolling, it really wasn't much of a game. They
Speaker 4: win one hundred and sixty eight over Scott Davenport and
Speaker 4: the Bellarman Knights, and I'm glad I talked about it
Speaker 4: a lot yesterday because it made it to where I
Speaker 4: didn't have to keep reminding myself throughout the game that
Speaker 4: this is probably regardless of really what happened, actually not regardless.
Speaker 4: The only scenario where you can really feel like you
Speaker 4: took something valuable from this game would be that you
Speaker 4: either messed around and lost to Bellerman as thirty point favorites,
Speaker 4: or you were challenged a lot more than you thought
Speaker 4: you'd be. Like, that would be something that we'd have
Speaker 4: to say, Okay, that's not good. But other than that,
Speaker 4: any you know, a big time blowout like they like
Speaker 4: they did. I mean, I think last night they really
Speaker 4: did all you can do in that kind of a situation.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't going to be an opportunity to really
Speaker 4: see if you got better from the Tennessee game, and
Speaker 4: we knew that. I think the same thing could be
Speaker 4: said for the matchup coming up on Friday with Winthrop.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's an opponent you got to play
Speaker 4: who's on the schedule, and you beat them about thirty
Speaker 4: two points, just scored one hundred points yourself. You were
Speaker 4: short handed at that, which we'll get to some of
Speaker 4: those injuries. The two injuries I should say that are
Speaker 4: you know something? We got a monitor. But it was
Speaker 4: one of those games where you wonder how much you're saying,
Speaker 4: you know, how much of what you're seeing is it
Speaker 4: about the competition you're playing. Let me give you an example,
Speaker 4: like anytime you see an plus an impressive play individually,
Speaker 4: you maybe worry a little bit about it being due
Speaker 4: to who you're playing, right, Like I saw some guys
Speaker 4: out there, case in prior Chucky Hepburn, Terrence Edwards was phenomenal,
Speaker 4: those guys making plays, and I'm thinking, Okay, that was
Speaker 4: pretty impressive. I like, I like to see that. Let's
Speaker 4: get let's get some more of that. But then you wonder, okay,
Speaker 4: well were these guys only able to make these kind
Speaker 4: of plays because they were playing against Bellerin. And the
Speaker 4: answer is we'll never know, Like you won't know until
Speaker 4: next week when they play a much better team, a
Speaker 4: team that is going to challenge you a lot more
Speaker 4: than Bellerman is going to. If it wouldn't have been Bellermant,
Speaker 4: I would have said a real team, But that sounds mean,
Speaker 4: and we don't know. We don't want to insult Scott
Speaker 4: Davenport because they're a real team. They were without their
Speaker 4: leading scorer last night. Uh, they they hung tough. I mean,
Speaker 4: they just kind of got buried a couple of times,
Speaker 4: and even when they did make their own runs, it
Speaker 4: never was enough to really make it much of a game.
Speaker 4: But to go back to, you know, the impressive plays
Speaker 4: that you see from your team, your guys individually, and
Speaker 4: then you immediately think, okay, well that was impressive, but
Speaker 4: should I be impressed because look who it's against. Same
Speaker 4: thing works the other way around. Anytime somebody on Bellerman
Speaker 4: makes an impressive play, you may be worry because you're thinking, okay,
Speaker 4: that was a pretty good looking move. That was a
Speaker 4: you know that guy right there that you know, give
Speaker 4: him credit. But then you think, okay, well, if Bellerman
Speaker 4: can do that to you, imagine what other top tier
Speaker 4: teams are going to do when you play them. So
Speaker 4: that that right there is the reason why these games
Speaker 4: for me are always just tough, you know. But I
Speaker 4: feel like last night I knew going in not a
Speaker 4: whole lot you really you're really gonna be able to
Speaker 4: learn from from this this game itself. But again, all
Speaker 4: you can do is play who was on the schedule
Speaker 4: and they won by thirty points. Covers cover the bread too.
Speaker 5: So you know, I.
Speaker 4: I know Pat Kelsey, he had a style, he has
Speaker 4: a system that has been good to him at Winthrop
Speaker 4: and at both Charleston. And I've mentioned this really since
Speaker 4: the Tennessee loss, and that is that you know, I
Speaker 4: know that you you want to get into that, But
Speaker 4: the Tennessee loss, I guess it doesn't prove that you
Speaker 4: aren't going to be able to do, you know, to
Speaker 4: get into what you want to do as far as
Speaker 4: up tempo, a lot of possessions, a lot of threes
Speaker 4: in rhythm, sacrificing on defense meaning taking chances on defense,
Speaker 4: gambling a little bit defensively to where you you know,
Speaker 4: you hope you can hopefully turn that into offense more
Speaker 4: often than getting burned on defense. Like, I know that's
Speaker 4: what you want to do, but after seeing Tennessee seemingly
Speaker 4: stop you at that without a whole lot of I mean, again, Tennessee,
Speaker 4: they're a tough nose team, that's what Rick Barnes does.
Speaker 4: But you know, Tennessee, I don't feel like they even
Speaker 4: did anything all that special. They made some tough shots,
Speaker 4: but like from a defensive standpoint, I thought they just
Speaker 4: made Louisville look very easy to defend. Now, I guess
Speaker 4: maybe a really good defensive team can make it look
Speaker 4: like But last night I feel like I saw enough
Speaker 4: from Chucky hepburn Case and Pryor Terrence Edwards to say
Speaker 4: that despite the depth, those guys need to be on
Speaker 4: the floor more than others at their position. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna need a consistent rotation in order
Speaker 4: to get guys out there in rhythm. And really it's
Speaker 4: probably silly to do this because again, different worlds when
Speaker 4: it comes to competition, comparing Bellerman in Tennessee. But even
Speaker 4: early last night, when guys were being shuffled in and
Speaker 4: out at the very beginning of the game, I mean,
Speaker 4: it was hard for anybody to really establish rhythm. Well,
Speaker 4: once you started to see a longer stretch of play
Speaker 4: from the guys that came off the bench case and
Speaker 4: Pryor rain Smith, then you started to see, you know,
Speaker 4: guys kind of find their groove a little bit. And
Speaker 4: you know, to me, it's more the question I have
Speaker 4: would be and I don't know the answer to it,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure Pat Kelsey would give an answer, but
Speaker 4: maybe you know it's I mean, this is a learning
Speaker 4: experience for him too. He's figuring out what he really
Speaker 4: has to work with. He's been coaching these guys in practice. Obviously,
Speaker 4: he's very familiar with them. When he recruited him to
Speaker 4: come join this team from the portal. However, you know,
Speaker 4: his first instant, his first chance to see what happened
Speaker 4: against Tennessee was when we all saw it because there
Speaker 4: was never any real challenge there. So, look, you can
Speaker 4: still be a team that utilizes depth. You can play
Speaker 4: a lot of guys, but I think minute distribution, I
Speaker 4: think you need to have a core a not necessarily
Speaker 4: a five man rotation or a five man lineup, but
Speaker 4: like probably six to seven guys that you feel like
Speaker 4: more often than not, they're gonna end up having more
Speaker 4: minutes than the rest of the guys that play. And
Speaker 4: it's not to say that when you go to the
Speaker 4: bench you have some huge drop off, but I just
Speaker 4: think he gotta find there may be somebody that comes
Speaker 4: off the bench that from a production standpoint, can give
Speaker 4: you as much as got starting. But are they somebody
Speaker 4: that makes others better?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Are they somebody that you know that can score on
Speaker 4: their own. They don't need to come off a screen.
Speaker 4: They don't need to be somebody that's scoring because of
Speaker 4: the system that you're running out there. In fact, let
Speaker 4: me pull up the numbers here. I mean you got
Speaker 4: let's see a total of twenty six from Terrence Edwards Junior.
Speaker 4: Obviously he was phenomenal last night. Same thing for Caseon
Speaker 4: Priory at twenty one night, I'm sorry, sixteen for Chucky Hepburn.
Speaker 4: Javon Hadley chipped in with ten, same thing for James Scott.
Speaker 4: So you know, I I don't want to say don't
Speaker 4: use your depth because I think that's what Pat Kelsey
Speaker 4: wants to be able to do. And utilizing depth, I
Speaker 4: think is one of those things that this team is
Speaker 4: pretty damn good at the end of the year and
Speaker 4: you feel like they're going to make the tournament safely.
Speaker 4: I would say that one of those factors in how
Speaker 4: they got there is the fact that they've been able
Speaker 4: to utilize their depth. But I think you can be
Speaker 4: deep without literally just playing everybody that same amount of minutes.
Speaker 4: And I know they haven't done that the entire year,
Speaker 4: but at times, I feel like that's kind of what
Speaker 4: you're seeing. Okay, five in, five out, and sometimes that'll work,
Speaker 4: but I think other times, and even like last night
Speaker 4: and even maybe against Winthrop, you may be able to
Speaker 4: do that and still win. But I feel like you
Speaker 4: should use these opportunities against these kind of teams to
Speaker 4: kind of figure out what makes the most sense as
Speaker 4: far as how you're putting guys together consistently. And again
Speaker 4: I think it's it's and maybe maybe pet Kelsey is
Speaker 4: in total disagreement, and he you know, and and that's
Speaker 4: that's his right. He he's the guy that's the head coach,
Speaker 4: and he knows a lot more about basketball than I
Speaker 4: than I ever will. But I just feel like you're
Speaker 4: not gonna see guys as comfortable as you need him
Speaker 4: to be, and you're really not gonna be able to
Speaker 4: get close to your ceiling if these guys don't have
Speaker 4: an established role to where, you know, night in and
Speaker 4: night out, maybe outside of an injury or foul trouble
Speaker 4: or maybe just some kind of a mismatch, they're gonna.
Speaker 4: They're gonna, they're gonna play a specific you know, maybe
Speaker 4: not a specific amount of minutes, but obviously you know
Speaker 4: where you're not just being yanked in and out all
Speaker 4: the time because you're not getting the most out of
Speaker 4: these guys you brought in. And some of them I
Speaker 4: have talent now again seeing Chucky and Cason and Terrence
Speaker 4: Edwards Junior go out there and do what they did
Speaker 4: against Bellerman. That doesn't mean that they're going to be
Speaker 4: able to do it against teams like Tennessee or when
Speaker 4: they play Indiana next week in the Bahamas. But you know,
Speaker 4: I think they've got a better chance of having you know,
Speaker 4: big Knights offensively compared to the rest of the guys
Speaker 4: on this roster that at times are getting the same
Speaker 4: amount of minutes as them. So again, another guy I
Speaker 4: want to throw out there, though when it comes to
Speaker 4: just somebody that I think the team's better when they're
Speaker 4: on the floor. I mentioned Chucky Case and fat as
Speaker 4: they call him, Terrence Evers Junior, but also Rain Smith.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think things just are better offensively when
Speaker 4: he's on the floor. And it isn't even about him
Speaker 4: making threes. Obviously he can do that. He's got a
Speaker 4: real weapon there as a three point shooter, but like
Speaker 4: he understands facing a lot better. He just a good
Speaker 4: feel for the game. And when it comes to defense,
Speaker 4: I mean, to be honest with you, he's he's no
Speaker 4: more of a liability defensively than some of the other
Speaker 4: guys out there. At times he's not a great defender,
Speaker 4: but like, I don't think he's somebody that you got,
Speaker 4: like you got to think about pulling him out of
Speaker 4: the game. Is you know, because of defense specifically there
Speaker 4: may be mismatches here and there, but there's also some
Speaker 4: dudes on this team that that are playing similar minutes
Speaker 4: and at times I worry about their defense. So again,
Speaker 4: you went about thirty two points and now you got
Speaker 4: you got Winthrop coming up here on Friday, and then
Speaker 4: next week it it's your next big test. Now we
Speaker 4: found out right before the game that you've got two
Speaker 4: injuries both could be pretty substantial. Trailra is out for
Speaker 4: it sounds like about six weeks for a fractured arm,
Speaker 4: so it's just him healing and that you know, there's
Speaker 4: there's an expected timeline, but as far as you know
Speaker 4: how long it actually takes, only time will tell. And
Speaker 4: you know, I was really high on Trey Ora, really,
Speaker 4: I really, and I am. I still think he can.
Speaker 4: He can do a lot for you. However, it was
Speaker 4: never about production. Now he can stuff the statue, but
Speaker 4: you know it's really you know, he's a seven rebound,
Speaker 4: four assist six points kind of guy, and you know
Speaker 4: that's that's valuable to have. But you could probably get
Speaker 4: by without him. Now, I do worry about the things
Speaker 4: he really does. Well, that's where you're already lacking, and
Speaker 4: that is defense and rebounding. So somebody's gonna have to
Speaker 4: step up in that regard. But he really, I mean
Speaker 4: at times he's just kind of offensively taken up space
Speaker 4: out there and the defense isn't really having to really
Speaker 4: having to account for him offensively, so he'll be missed.
Speaker 4: But it also, I think will give you a chance
Speaker 4: to kind of get a better feel for what you
Speaker 4: have because you're gonna have to play, you know, you
Speaker 4: don't have him, You're gonna play other You're gonna play
Speaker 4: other guys, and others will probably share the minutes he
Speaker 4: would be getting. Now, Korin Johnson is out with his shoulder,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't sound like there's really any indication as
Speaker 4: far is how long that could that could keep him out.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't I don't want to try to
Speaker 4: be a you know, body language expert here, but I
Speaker 4: didn't get the sense that Pat Kelsey felt super encouraged
Speaker 4: about it. But again, this first time we've ever heard
Speaker 4: him talk about an injury, so it's tough to know,
Speaker 4: like maybe that's just how he handles it. But Corain
Speaker 4: Johnson is somebody that, you know, when it comes to
Speaker 4: just talent on this roster, he's one of the more
Speaker 4: talented guys. He's a six Man of the Year from
Speaker 4: the PAC twelve a year ago and was a four
Speaker 4: star recruit. So I mean, he's somebody that you're gonna miss.
Speaker 4: I mean, and maybe he's backed by Friday. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't get the sense that would be the case.
Speaker 4: But already dealing with some injuries here, so again front
Speaker 4: court play, physical, Like the things that worried me after
Speaker 4: the Tennessee game outside of what we just discussed, when
Speaker 4: it comes to offense and finding ways to generate good
Speaker 4: looks whenever a team's able to kind of get you
Speaker 4: in the half court and dictate pace. I mean, those
Speaker 4: are still concerns. And last night, even if they and
Speaker 4: they did do some things that would make you not
Speaker 4: as worried about that, but you have to consider the competition.
Speaker 4: But rebounding. They outrebounded Bellerman last night. That's what you
Speaker 4: should do. But rebounding, I think still could be a
Speaker 4: problem when you play bigger teams and defense. You know,
Speaker 4: I Bellaman's first two buckets, and it wasn't just these
Speaker 4: first two buckets, but there were a few others where
Speaker 4: they just I mean they fled out, took their guy
Speaker 4: to the hole, and it was tough to see. I mean,
Speaker 4: no offense development, but like if Bellerman's got guys that
Speaker 4: can just break you down off the bounce and go
Speaker 4: get a bucket and it looked like you were in position,
Speaker 4: they just were able to score on you. Again, no
Speaker 4: offense development, but like that has me a little worried
Speaker 4: about when you play teams not named Bellerman. So all
Speaker 4: in all, I think it was a good night, but
Speaker 4: we knew going in that the next chance to really
Speaker 4: see Okay, let's hope Tennessee ends up being real out
Speaker 4: being a real outlier. We'll find out, I guess a
Speaker 4: little more if that's the case next week when they
Speaker 4: take on In fact, a week from today, they're going
Speaker 4: to be taken on Indiana, so we shall see, all right.
Speaker 4: Coming up here on the other side, we were going
Speaker 4: to talk with the one and only Zach Barnett of
Speaker 4: FootballScoop dot Com get his thoughts on this college football
Speaker 4: playoff race. I've been amused by the back and forth
Speaker 4: for quite some time now, just because I think the
Speaker 4: weekly check ins it's good for the college football playoff
Speaker 4: because it just gets more people talking about it. But
Speaker 4: last night seemed to be like chaotic to wear like
Speaker 4: I just wanted everybody to shut the hell up, Like
Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, but hey, again, the more controversy,
Speaker 4: the more arguments there are to be made with certain
Speaker 4: teams and conferences, the better it is for the product
Speaker 4: as far as the lead up. But there's gonna be
Speaker 4: some really upset teams that don't get in and it's
Speaker 4: just gonna come down to what the committee wants to do,
Speaker 4: so we'll talk about That was Zach Barnette football scoop
Speaker 4: coming up here on the other side, and I got
Speaker 4: to talk about it at some point, like it pains
Speaker 4: me to say it, but Kentucky, I mean, they look really,
Speaker 4: really good and I don't like it. Mark Pope's got
Speaker 4: Aga team and again I don't like it. All right,
Speaker 4: stick with us. It's Coffee and Company feel about Thortons
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Speaker 4: Distractor Driver dot com. I really don't know what the
Speaker 4: hell we're going to be reacting to, because you know,
Speaker 4: after what happened against Stanford, I have no clue what
Speaker 4: to expect these next couple of weeks. Hopefully that you know,
Speaker 4: they come out and finish the home slate strong. This
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Speaker 4: All right, let's bring him in. He's mister Zach Barnett
Speaker 4: of FootballScoop dot com. He joins us each and every
Speaker 4: week to talk some college football. Zach, I don't even
Speaker 4: know where to start when it comes to the college
Speaker 4: football playoff rankings as far as well, I guess I'll
Speaker 4: just say, what do you feel like? Actually, let me
Speaker 4: let me let me back up just a second. When
Speaker 4: you thought of this new twelve team format and knowing
Speaker 4: that there's gonna be a lot more inclusion, there's gonna
Speaker 4: be a lot more scenarios to look at. I mean,
Speaker 4: did you think we'd be here? Because I feel like
Speaker 4: the chaos and just everybody yelling at each other about
Speaker 4: which conference has a tough I mean it, I mean
Speaker 4: it's awesome, but like, I don't I don't know if
Speaker 4: if if this was what I expected when I when
Speaker 4: I thought of us getting a twelve team playoff instead
Speaker 4: of a four team.
Speaker 2: Uh, did I expect Indiana's to be eleven and zero
Speaker 2: and the SEC to act like a persecuted class for
Speaker 2: possibly only getting four teams in instead of five? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I expected both those things.
Speaker 4: Well, you're smarter than me. The Indiana thing, uh, I
Speaker 4: mean that's and actually we'll start there, because you know,
Speaker 4: they are I think maybe maybe this is just because
Speaker 4: they're they're they're local issue to us. But Indiana, I mean,
Speaker 4: they're beating everybody on their schedule. They're doing it, you know,
Speaker 4: and for the most part in blowout fashion. And I
Speaker 4: watched them play. They look like a good team, but
Speaker 4: they're a big ten team that has played ten games
Speaker 4: and just hasn't played anybody. It's not necessarily their fault,
Speaker 4: but that's where you are. I mean, I kind of
Speaker 4: feel like if they lose to Ohio State this weekend
Speaker 4: and it's maybe you know, a ten point game or worse,
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like everybody's just going to write
Speaker 4: them off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone in this sport seemingly has has turned on
Speaker 2: Indiana and Texas and it makes no sense. And I
Speaker 2: made a promise to myself to not react to the
Speaker 2: Tuesday night ranking show because they the committee has proven
Speaker 2: us that they mean nothing. But I've tweeted about it
Speaker 2: a bunch and written a column, so I broke my
Speaker 2: own promise to myself. But everyone getting so mad at
Speaker 2: in the end makes no sense because in reality, Indiana
Speaker 2: season as a playoff contender starts on Saturday. If they
Speaker 2: go out and lose forty two to seven, then they're
Speaker 2: they're they're deservedly out. If they go out and win,
Speaker 2: then they're in. And if they win that game and
Speaker 2: they're going to beat Purdue and they beat Oregon, they're
Speaker 2: the number one seed. Like their season, their cake is
Speaker 2: just going into the oven right now. And the same
Speaker 2: for Texas. And meanwhile, no one's talking about Penn State,
Speaker 2: who looks like is going to get to host a
Speaker 2: home game in the playoff with no questions asked, despite
Speaker 2: beating two top forty teams all season long.
Speaker 4: I think with Indiana, everybody has known that it was
Speaker 4: going to come down to the Ohio State game. But
Speaker 4: I guess now that we're getting closer and closer to it.
Speaker 4: I think you hear those that are advocating for Indiana saying, well,
Speaker 4: they should be able to lose and still you know,
Speaker 4: not fall because it'd be their first loss. Whereas you know,
Speaker 4: the other side, which is which is where I find myself,
Speaker 4: is that you know, it does depend on how the
Speaker 4: loss looks. But even if you lose and it's you know,
Speaker 4: some what competitive, you're still going to end the season
Speaker 4: without a win we're speaking of. And I just when
Speaker 4: you know these with these spots, you know, being highly coveted,
Speaker 4: I just don't know if, I mean, if that happens,
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you think the committee would do
Speaker 4: with Indiana?
Speaker 2: I think consistently the committee has broken ties based off
Speaker 2: of I guess, with the Florida State exception, the committee
Speaker 2: has broken ties based off of a number of losses
Speaker 2: and brand and we've seen now byu plummeted this week
Speaker 2: while Miami has not, despite the fact that b YU
Speaker 2: has played a tougher schedule. But I think Indiana would
Speaker 2: fall out. And I know that even though the fact
Speaker 2: that Indiana was Michigan or Penn State, no one would
Speaker 2: be talking about them right now. They'd be saying, well
Speaker 2: if they let's just wait till the Ohio State game,
Speaker 2: because I know that because no one's talking about Penn
Speaker 2: State and they have very similar resumes. If Indiana scores
Speaker 2: a touchdown on Saturday, they'll do something that Penn State
Speaker 2: did not on their home field.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But yet again, it's Indiana on the shopping block while
Speaker 2: Penn State's basically in the playoff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's and it's all about brand I mean
Speaker 4: that's there's no other way to justify it.
Speaker 2: And we hate cinderellas in college football. Uh that that's
Speaker 2: been proven for a long time. So people are just
Speaker 2: indied from a cool story. So now people are actively
Speaker 2: mad at them for winning get football games and being entertaining.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no matter what the committee does, there's always going
Speaker 4: to be people yelling about the decisions they make and
Speaker 4: trying to get answers as to why they put this
Speaker 4: team there, and there's always going to be teams that
Speaker 4: feel like they should have been in they got they
Speaker 4: got left out. They could expand this thing like the
Speaker 4: NCAA Tournament in basketball, and there'd still be teams that
Speaker 4: feel like they should have gotten in over others. That
Speaker 4: that's never gonna like. People are gonna never stop tearing
Speaker 4: down the committee. But I do think there'd be some
Speaker 4: value if they just were a little bit more willing
Speaker 4: to say, this is how we see it, this is
Speaker 4: our opinion, and not always how to throw you know,
Speaker 4: inconsistent factors out there as far as why they came
Speaker 4: to a certain decision where it'll rank teams, Because when
Speaker 4: you really consider it, they're just gonna have to make
Speaker 4: a decision that that that is based off their opinion
Speaker 4: and their opinion alone. It's not about a number, it's
Speaker 4: not about a one game that decided it. Because when
Speaker 4: you put twelve teams in and you have no divisions
Speaker 4: in these conferences, I think you're gonna see yourself in
Speaker 4: this situation. Maybe not every year like this, but it
Speaker 4: wouldn't be a shocker if this is maybe something you
Speaker 4: don't see that. You do see, you know, fairly regularly
Speaker 4: when it comes to the twelve team format, and you
Speaker 4: know again people are gonna complain regardless. But I think
Speaker 4: the committee coul help themselves a little bit if they
Speaker 4: just said, look, this is how we see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think that that's a great point.
Speaker 2: I think the committee has kind of found themselves in
Speaker 2: a middle ground between ultimate transparency and no transparency, and
Speaker 2: it's as a result they're getting run over. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that. I think the original sin of this whole
Speaker 2: format is releasing these Tuesday Night chose even though it's
Speaker 2: giving us something to talk about it in reality is
Speaker 2: I mean, no one's actually talking about the Indian Ohio
Speaker 2: State game and you're talking about Indiana as a as
Speaker 2: a concept right now.
Speaker 4: That's a great point. That's that's where this has actually
Speaker 4: been a little bit unproductive.
Speaker 2: For him, I think, And if they if I mean
Speaker 2: the really the big controversies in the first ten years
Speaker 2: of the system were TCU in year one falling out
Speaker 2: at the very end despite winning by fifty five points
Speaker 2: in their final game, and Florida State falling out last
Speaker 2: week or last season. But if there was no Tuesday
Speaker 2: Night Ranking Show, then no one would have known where
Speaker 2: they'd be in leaving Florida State out last season if
Speaker 2: they if that was the first we'd ever heard from
Speaker 2: the committee of be like, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Florida State is not at full strength. But Florida State
Speaker 2: was number four without Jordan Travis in the Florida game,
Speaker 2: won that game and then went out and beat Louisville
Speaker 2: as you as you well know and well even though
Speaker 2: they were the same team that was ranked number four
Speaker 2: before that. So if they would release nothing, we then
Speaker 2: they would probably have a lot not probably, the would
Speaker 2: definitely have a lot more credibility because in the end,
Speaker 2: every one of their four team selections was either obvious
Speaker 2: or easily justifiable. So the problem has never been in
Speaker 2: the actual four teams. It's been getting to that point,
Speaker 2: and so chances are we'll get there at some point.
Speaker 2: There's still a lot of football ahead of us. But
Speaker 2: I mean, I challenge one of your listeners to go
Speaker 2: out and make your own Top twenty five and defend
Speaker 2: it in a logically consistent way. There's basically no way
Speaker 2: to do that, and you basically just have to boil
Speaker 2: down to it. At certain points just be I just
Speaker 2: think this team is better than that team, and that's
Speaker 2: a defensible thing. You have to do that. There's no
Speaker 2: other options. There's not enough data here to do it
Speaker 2: in a logically consistent way. But the committee has tried
Speaker 2: to say, well, we based off this factor of that factor,
Speaker 2: and we start over every single week, and even still
Speaker 2: they basically boiled out to well, we just think this
Speaker 2: seems better than that team.
Speaker 4: Who do you do you think if Texas does not
Speaker 4: get the win against Texas A and M and Indiana
Speaker 4: falls short. Let's say they lose about thirteen to Ohio State,
Speaker 4: maybe there'll be more of a Okay, let's see what
Speaker 4: else what the other teams in play do. But I mean,
Speaker 4: if that's the case, doesn't it seem a little unlikely
Speaker 4: that those two teams would end up in the field.
Speaker 4: Or maybe there's still a shot Texas gets in.
Speaker 2: I mean, the committee seems to think Texas is really good.
Speaker 2: But then again, Georgia fell from number three to number
Speaker 2: twelve last week, or for losing Ole Myths that was
Speaker 2: an eighteen point loss. If Texas loses by three points
Speaker 2: on the road and rivalry game, I could see them
Speaker 2: staying in. I mean, so much of it depends on
Speaker 2: information we don't have right now. But it's weird going
Speaker 2: on on the road to play your historic rival that
Speaker 2: you haven't played thirteen years, going on the road to
Speaker 2: play another historic rival in Arkansas, going on the road
Speaker 2: to play that's fitting national champions has turned into a
Speaker 2: negative for Texas the season. No one ever thought when
Speaker 2: Texas joined the Big Bad SEC that the number one
Speaker 2: talking point would be, well, your schedule has been too easy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's what I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 4: I know you're in Texas. I mean, Texas has just
Speaker 4: found themselves in a situation where they have one loss
Speaker 4: and it's to a good team, and they've beat everybody
Speaker 4: on their schedule, but ten games in, I feel like usually,
Speaker 4: you know, when they were in a previous league that
Speaker 4: is not as good as the league they're in now,
Speaker 4: they've been a little bit more battle tested at this point.
Speaker 4: Do you believe, like, are you do you find yourself
Speaker 4: not really knowing just how good Texas is ten games in?
Speaker 4: Or do you feel pretty confident that you do have
Speaker 4: a feel for them. It's just going to come down
Speaker 4: to them doing it against a really good team. Next
Speaker 4: time they get them, which I don't know if Texas
Speaker 4: A and M is viewed by everybody as a really
Speaker 4: good team but certainly a good team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they have good quinn ewers, then Texas is
Speaker 2: the best team in the country. They have the best
Speaker 2: defense in the country bar none. And if they play
Speaker 2: offense like they did against Florida two weeks ago, they're
Speaker 2: the best team in the country. If they get the
Speaker 2: quinn ewers that we've seen most of the second half
Speaker 2: of this season, then they're somewhere in that eight to
Speaker 2: ten range. And their biggest problem is that they were
Speaker 2: They looked out class against Georgia, fell behind twenty three
Speaker 2: nothing before making the game respectable, but at the same
Speaker 2: time never even had the ball with a chance to
Speaker 2: tie the game in the second half.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then Georgia has turned around and looked mortal against
Speaker 2: Ole Miss I mean, looked mortal against Kentucky. Like this
Speaker 2: hasn't been a vintage Georgia team where you can just
Speaker 2: throw your hands up and say, well, they're better than
Speaker 2: everybody else. What can you really do?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: And the one game, the one game crucible that they've played,
Speaker 2: they they failed that test.
Speaker 4: Do you think the ACC. And I know the ACC
Speaker 4: is certainly not in the same situation as the SEC
Speaker 4: and the Big ten, But do you think the ACC
Speaker 4: can get two in? I feel like it looks to
Speaker 4: me it just looks unlikely at this point because I
Speaker 4: feel like the best case would be SMU. Well, I
Speaker 4: guess if SMU does in fact went out and they
Speaker 4: win the league, then they're in in Miami. I guess
Speaker 4: could still sneak around, but I feel like SMU's got
Speaker 4: you know, they're lost to BYU. Doesn't look as good
Speaker 4: now considering by you just took their their lost to Kansas.
Speaker 4: But I kind of and maybe I am turning into
Speaker 4: an ACC honk for SMU, which just sounds like a
Speaker 4: crazy thing. Imagine telling somebody that ten years ago. But
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like they they're they're not getting
Speaker 4: the brand bumped, and it's because their brand is not
Speaker 4: established like some of these others. But I feel like
Speaker 4: their resume is pretty damn good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been in my national top ten for a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. Now I think they're top ten too.
Speaker 2: It's sad to say, but the ACC's chances of being
Speaker 2: a multi bid league probably died when Clemson lost to
Speaker 2: Georgia in Week one. If Clemson hadn't played that game,
Speaker 2: then they'd be a one truth team and you have
Speaker 2: an opportunity to go get a good win against South
Speaker 2: Carolina here in a couple of weeks. But now they're
Speaker 2: a two lost team and a mediocre conference, so they
Speaker 2: have to win the ACC to get in, and if
Speaker 2: they do that, then the Miami and or rest and
Speaker 2: you are not getting.
Speaker 4: The Zach Barnet FootballScoop dot Com is our guest joining
Speaker 4: us here on Sports Talk seven to ninety. A couple
Speaker 4: more questions for you might have just answered one of
Speaker 4: them that I was going to ask you, and I
Speaker 4: think the answer maybe Texas, So maybe pick somebody other
Speaker 4: than Texas, if you can think of somebody, But I'm
Speaker 4: gonna ask there if a team can get in, meaning
Speaker 4: obviously you know that they need some things to work
Speaker 4: in their favorite they got to finish strong. But they're
Speaker 4: playing really good right now to where if they get in,
Speaker 4: and it's really just about if they get in, but
Speaker 4: if they do, everybody else better look out because they're
Speaker 4: playing really good football right now. Is they're a team
Speaker 4: that you feel like it's just a matter of if
Speaker 4: they get in.
Speaker 2: I mean everyone, it seems like when Alabama and Georgia
Speaker 2: get a first down and rushers to proclaim them as, oh,
Speaker 2: this is really the best team in the country.
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Ohio State. They've they've played next
Speaker 2: to Texas. They played the best defense in the country
Speaker 2: all season long, I guess except for that Oregon game.
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna have to go to Austin Stadium
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. And they've got just insane talent across
Speaker 2: the board. They did lose their center, Sess McLaughlin the
Speaker 2: Alabama transfer, so that probably puts a wrench in my
Speaker 2: answer here, but I'm now like thirty seconds to do it,
Speaker 2: so I want to stay with it. I like Ohio
Speaker 2: State's best. I think Ohio State's best is the best
Speaker 2: in the country.
Speaker 4: Good stuff, all, right, last one, And it's impossible to
Speaker 4: really give an answer because you don't even know who's
Speaker 4: going to be there. But right now, and again, you've
Speaker 4: kind of kind of kind of guided me there as
Speaker 4: far as Texas and Ohio State being two teams. But
Speaker 4: you know, is there is there a team right now
Speaker 4: that you've mean actually let me let me rephrase it,
Speaker 4: because this still actually let me go in a different
Speaker 4: direction here, who do you think is the best team
Speaker 4: that probably won't make but like you feel like if
Speaker 4: they were there, it wouldn't shock you if they want
Speaker 4: it all, because I think even as a four team
Speaker 4: format that you had for a decade, very rarely did
Speaker 4: somebody get left out that you felt like, well, if
Speaker 4: they'd have gotten a spot, they don't want it all.
Speaker 1: Like we have the.
Speaker 4: Newness of the fourteen or the twelve team format here
Speaker 4: that's really gotten all the attention. As you mentioned, it's
Speaker 4: even taking away the attention from some really big games
Speaker 4: that are going to determine who makes it. But I
Speaker 4: kind of feel like one of the bigger storylines that's
Speaker 4: not being discussed is the amount of parody we have
Speaker 4: right nor really seeming parody we have at the top
Speaker 4: of college football.
Speaker 2: Can I say for my answer Indiana, Sure, there's no shame,
Speaker 2: Like if they go out and moves to Ohio State
Speaker 2: twenty eight seventeen, there's no shame in that.
Speaker 4: But so many people, Yeah, they wouldn't prove that they're bad, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: They've The thing about Indiana is like BYU and Miami
Speaker 2: when they lost those game their games, it was kind
Speaker 2: of like, you know it, finally they were flirting with
Speaker 2: disaster for weeks on end. But Indiana, outside of really
Speaker 2: the Michigan game has just kind of has killed everyone.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, they've they've played a garbage schedule, but they've
Speaker 2: played it like you would expect any top five brand
Speaker 2: to do. So, like they win almost every stack category
Speaker 2: every single week. Like what else do you expect them
Speaker 2: to do against the schedule. So, uh, if they lose
Speaker 2: to Ohio State and I'm going to predict them to lose,
Speaker 2: then uh, they're my answer.
Speaker 4: I like it as always, Zack, appreciate the time and
Speaker 4: enjoying the great weekend of college football and we'll talk soon, brother,
Speaker 4: take care?
Speaker 2: Oh good, thanks, all right, that Zack.
Speaker 4: Barnett FootballScoop dot Com. You know, Indiana. That's a good
Speaker 4: answer because if they lose to a high standing and
Speaker 4: competitive game and that's all she wrote, and they beat
Speaker 4: Purdue but get left out, I mean that would be
Speaker 4: the old that'd be the worst feeling ever if as
Speaker 4: an Indiana fan for a variety of reasons, but one
Speaker 4: you'll never really get to like know where you stood.
Speaker 4: I mean, you could feel pretty good about what you did,
Speaker 4: but you only had one real challenge, and that challenge
Speaker 4: happens to be against Ohio State at their place, and
Speaker 4: it'd be a real bummer. But if they win, they
Speaker 4: don't have to worry about it. Easier Seve than done obviously,
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Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: I think one of the most talked about things after
Speaker 4: last night's unveiling of the updated college football playoff rankings
Speaker 4: was what Joey Galloway said Indiana should sit their quarterback
Speaker 4: Curtis Rourke against Ohio State. And I've yet to hear it,
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna hear it right now because I'm gonna
Speaker 4: play it for you guys, And I'm hoping there's some
Speaker 4: context here that I can pick up on what he's
Speaker 4: talking about, because my initial thought is is he's saying
Speaker 4: that they should sit him and like not worry about
Speaker 4: it because because they're already in even if they lose,
Speaker 4: and you don't when to get him hurt for the playoff.
Speaker 4: Because that's like an insane thing to say. But what
Speaker 4: else would he mean by saying that? Like really stupid?
Speaker 4: But let's hear it again. You've probably heard it. I
Speaker 4: haven't heard it. It's all anybody's been talking about. I
Speaker 4: just haven't been able to actually listen into that. I
Speaker 4: have been able to find the actual clip. But I
Speaker 4: believe this is it right here.
Speaker 1: They can't go.
Speaker 3: Anywhere behind that one little chance to go on the
Speaker 3: road and prove what they are now. Honestly, if we
Speaker 3: believe in what our metrics are saying. If I'm Indiana,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm playing rourk against Ohio State.
Speaker 3: We've seen what happened to Florida State last year, Jordan Travis.
Speaker 3: What could keep Indiana out of this getting.
Speaker 2: Their quarterback hurt?
Speaker 3: We've seen it happen to Florida State last year having
Speaker 3: not played anybody if you look at three four and.
Speaker 4: Five Texas, Okay, I mean that that yeah, Okay, that
Speaker 4: he meant what I thought that their quarterback could get
Speaker 4: hurt and then they could just be dismissed and that
Speaker 4: would keep them from getting in. If they get blown out,
Speaker 4: they'll they'll probably be eliminated. They should be. To be
Speaker 4: honest with you, hate that, but I just think that's
Speaker 4: what the committee would have to do based off of
Speaker 4: the schedule. That really isn't their fault. Doesn't prove that
Speaker 4: they're not worthy, but it would just be tough to
Speaker 4: see them getting in if that was the case. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's I mean, there's no doubt in my mind. That
Speaker 4: was a take that he manufactured, put a lot of
Speaker 4: time into, and was ready to drop it on the
Speaker 4: reaction to the playoff rankings, and it delivered. My man,
Speaker 4: he got every everything he wanted from that saying something
Speaker 4: insane just to get a reaction, because again, I think
Speaker 4: it's what people are talking about more than anything from
Speaker 4: last night's playoff rankings. All right, let's go to the
Speaker 4: phone lines. Five W two five seven one seventy nine
Speaker 4: hundred is the number. Let's welcome in, Mike, Mike, what's happening?
Speaker 2: Man? Hey? But what's going on?
Speaker 4: Not much?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 5: So you know you asked the question like, who's going
Speaker 5: to get left out that that had you know, would
Speaker 5: have a chance to win it all? Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: you know, they're I think one of the one of
Speaker 5: the SEC teams are going to get left out, and
Speaker 5: I think those will be one. You know, whoever that
Speaker 5: fifth team is. They're not getting five the I'm gonna
Speaker 5: get the four work. But I think the more interesting
Speaker 5: thing is like who's going to be in it that
Speaker 5: has no chance? And for me, that would be Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: I can't disagree with you there. I mean, they're not
Speaker 4: the worst team, but they're Yeah, I mean I don't
Speaker 4: I don't think they've got There'll be multiple teams that
Speaker 4: get in where you feel like, yeah, they're not a
Speaker 4: threat to win the whole thing, but yeah, Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're getting the benefit of the doubt because
Speaker 4: they're Notre Dame and they're actually benefiting from not playing
Speaker 4: in a league. Like it's crazy how the committee has
Speaker 4: absolutely just acted as if they're unaware that they lost
Speaker 4: to Northern Illinois at home. I mean, that's that's what
Speaker 4: they've done consistently. But Mike, I appreciate the call. Yeah, Look,
Speaker 4: I think the SEC, if they only get four in
Speaker 4: the fifth team that's out, Like they may have a
Speaker 4: legitimate argument and they may belong and just got left
Speaker 4: out because the committee can only put fourteen in. But
Speaker 4: I don't know if there are that many teams in
Speaker 4: the SEC, they could win it all this year, right, Like,
Speaker 4: I think the SEC has three teams that I feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, it's hard for me to say that. You know,
Speaker 4: George and Alabama, despite both taking steps back this year,
Speaker 4: I can't sider and say that, Like, I don't see
Speaker 4: a scenario where they get in and don't win it
Speaker 4: because they're loaded and that wouldn't really be that big
Speaker 4: of a shock. But outside of those two, I guess Texas,
Speaker 4: I think it's those three ole Miss I don't know,
Speaker 4: I Kentucky beat them. I can't say that they're they're
Speaker 4: they're a threat to win the national championship. So if
Speaker 4: all miss ends up losing and they get they get
Speaker 4: left out, maybe they could claim they belong, But I
Speaker 4: don't know if I'd claim that they are worthy of.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't claim that, I because again the
Speaker 4: question I asked was who's going to get left out
Speaker 4: that you know, not only is going to have a gripe,
Speaker 4: but who who's gonna get left out that like, literally,
Speaker 4: if they got a spot they might win at all.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know who that team would be
Speaker 4: from the SEC. But if there was going to be
Speaker 4: a team to be honest, just being honest, not to
Speaker 4: not to be a you know, a homer for the SEC,
Speaker 4: I would never want to do that. But like they
Speaker 4: are the best league. It's just I don't think that
Speaker 4: they believe they should be held accountable like everybody else
Speaker 4: because they play in a good in a really good league.
Speaker 4: And also, you know, I don't think the gap between
Speaker 4: them and everybody else is what they think it is