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Speaker 1: morning and I see Congressman Thomas Massy, followed by Judge Annapolitana.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Congressman MASSI it's always a distinct pleasure to
Speaker 1: have you on my program.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's great to be on your program.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you want to talk about national debt
Speaker 1: and continuing continuing resolutions and elect You have to ask
Speaker 1: you at the outset, considering we are going to be
Speaker 1: hearing from Judgment Poltano, not necessarily on this topic, but
Speaker 1: I am going to approach the subject with him. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Iran launched missiles at Israel. Now there's all this talk
Speaker 1: about whether Israel is going to basically enter into a
Speaker 1: you know, a shooting war with the Iranians, go after
Speaker 1: the nuclear bases, whatever, whatever the military strategy happens to be.
Speaker 1: But Iran did go after Israel directly. So if the
Speaker 1: United States were to somehow become a part of this
Speaker 1: shooting war, would they not need maybe a declaration of
Speaker 1: war or an authorization at least an authorization for use
Speaker 1: of military force. Are they going to dust that one
Speaker 1: off from back in ninety one?
Speaker 2: What are we playing t ball here?
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 1: Yes we are.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to hit that one on. I know
Speaker 2: you will listen.
Speaker 3: The administration said, and this is Sullivan. He said, We've
Speaker 3: made it clear there will be consequences, severe consequences for
Speaker 3: this attack on Israel, and we will work with Israel
Speaker 3: to make that case.
Speaker 2: What the heck work with Israel? Excuse me?
Speaker 3: The Constitution requires the administration to work with Congress. Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: you can't just launch an attack on a sovereign country.
Speaker 2: That's an act of war.
Speaker 3: Now, some people say, oh, well, they can do whatever
Speaker 3: they want as long as they don't declare war. No,
Speaker 3: that's an act of war. And we haven't been attacked there.
Speaker 3: You know, there are accommodation in the nineteen seventy three
Speaker 3: War Powers Act to respond to a direct attack on
Speaker 3: America if they can't get a hold of Congress in
Speaker 3: that period of time.
Speaker 2: But there is no And some people wonder if that's
Speaker 2: even concert.
Speaker 1: I know I was going to interject, but go ahead,
Speaker 1: I need to cover it.
Speaker 3: I'm in the same spot there on that one, and
Speaker 3: probably judge to Politano is well, but.
Speaker 1: We're of like mind on this subject matter.
Speaker 3: But let's say you go along with the premise of
Speaker 3: the seventy three or seventy four War Powers Act. It's
Speaker 3: even that acknowledges you can't respond to this with an
Speaker 3: act of war from the United States. So, and here's
Speaker 3: the thing. Congress is on recess right now. Everybody knows
Speaker 3: Congress gets an August recess. I'm about to tell you
Speaker 3: a dirty little secret. Every other year we get an
Speaker 3: August recess and an October recess.
Speaker 2: And we're not supposed to call it recess.
Speaker 3: We're supposed to call it district work period. Let's face it,
Speaker 3: it's October recess. And the reason you get it every
Speaker 3: other year is the incumbents don't want to be stuck
Speaker 3: in Washington, DC while the challengers.
Speaker 2: Are running against them in the election.
Speaker 3: True, so it's part of the incumbent protection package that
Speaker 3: everybody gets in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2: As you get October off to go campaign. And of
Speaker 2: course we still get paid for October.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean having even on our books whether or
Speaker 1: not it's constitutional that War Powers Act allows us to
Speaker 1: immediately respond to attack on us. Doesn't that sort of
Speaker 1: support exactly what Israel's doing, which is defending itself immediately
Speaker 1: when they get attacked. I mean that you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be able to do that.
Speaker 3: Right, They're able to do that, and they need to
Speaker 3: judge whether or not they need to get into some
Speaker 3: kind of diplomacy with their neighbors. I mean, but here's
Speaker 3: the thing. We don't need to be sending soldiers over there.
Speaker 3: We don't need to be launching an attack on a
Speaker 3: sovereign country if we're not attacked, and we don't need
Speaker 3: to be spending money over there either. We're co combatants
Speaker 3: honestly right now in a war with Russia from Ukraine.
Speaker 3: If any other country, for instance, had supported let's say
Speaker 3: al Qaeda to the extent, well, al Qaeda is not
Speaker 3: a good example, but I'll use it. If any other
Speaker 3: country supported a country that attacks the United States, we
Speaker 3: would call them co combatants, and we are by that measure.
Speaker 2: We are co combatants right now in a war with Russia.
Speaker 1: Yes we are.
Speaker 3: And we should not become co combatants in a war
Speaker 3: with Iran, either through financial and military support or through
Speaker 3: boots on the ground.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, and that idea of funding leads us over
Speaker 1: to the national debt and the continuing resolutions. You had
Speaker 1: a brilliant plan to deal with this, which is due
Speaker 1: a one year continuing resolution which would result in an
Speaker 1: automatic one percent across the board cut com April. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a brilliant strategy. Obviously they didn't go
Speaker 1: down that road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not only a strategy, it's signed into lawaw Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got them to put in law that if we
Speaker 3: go past April thirtieth with the CR and I got
Speaker 3: them put that in last year when they weren't thinking
Speaker 3: about this year, then you get a one percent cut
Speaker 3: to every discretionary program in the United States. So instead
Speaker 3: of having a shutdown fight, you have a cut down fight,
Speaker 3: a one percent cut down fight. On April thirtieth, well,
Speaker 3: the Speaker of the House proposed, no, let's go to
Speaker 3: March thirty.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The reason they chose March is they didn't want to
Speaker 3: go past the Massy cut and his little clever little thing.
Speaker 2: They do this every year, Brian.
Speaker 3: They were going to attach this bright shiny object to
Speaker 3: get conservatives excited so they could get their hands dirty
Speaker 3: and vote for this thing, and then they were going
Speaker 3: to take the bright shiny object off. The bright shiny
Speaker 3: object was something called the Save Act. And I've voted
Speaker 3: for the Save Act. By the way, the House has
Speaker 3: already voted for the Save Act. It's sitting over the Senate.
Speaker 3: It keeps illegals from registering to vote and voting. It's
Speaker 3: got strict penalties if they tried to vote. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: it's already illegal form to vote. But this is sort
Speaker 3: of a belts and suspender's approach and nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 3: But they were going to attach that to the cr
Speaker 3: which is all twelve appropriations bills and one steaming pile
Speaker 3: of pooh. They were going to attach it to that
Speaker 3: and make the steaming pile of pooh a good pile
Speaker 3: of pooh. Well, the problem is they had no intention
Speaker 3: to ever fight. And I called him out on it
Speaker 3: about a month ago in a speech in Congress, and
Speaker 3: I said, I refuse to be a Thespian in this
Speaker 3: failure theater because they planned to fail, and there were
Speaker 3: even conservatives going along with this plan that knew it
Speaker 3: was going to fail. They there are rumors that Mike
Speaker 3: Johnson had already told the senators, the Republican senators, that
Speaker 3: they could strip off the Save Act when it got
Speaker 3: over there, and that was their plan all along. I
Speaker 3: called him out on it. They still tried to snap
Speaker 3: the ball and run the play. But after I had
Speaker 3: called him out on it enough, other Republicans joined me
Speaker 3: to say, we're not going to be actors in.
Speaker 2: This political theater.
Speaker 3: And so that failed, and then what happened is exactly
Speaker 3: what I predicted would happen. By the way, Elon Musk
Speaker 3: retweeted or reposted my speech calling this all theater in
Speaker 3: my predictions, and he said, I hope you're not right.
Speaker 3: So to respond to Elon Musk, I went to Grok,
Speaker 3: which is his AI system, and I said, is Thomas
Speaker 3: Massey Wright about to Save Act on the CR? And
Speaker 3: Grok gives like a five paragraph dissertation on why Thomas
Speaker 3: Massey is probably going to be right about this theater,
Speaker 3: and so I put that on my reply to Elon. Well,
Speaker 3: at what's happened, As I turned out to be right,
Speaker 3: We got a clean CR. By the way that I
Speaker 3: made another prediction that it would end right before Christmas,
Speaker 3: that it wouldn't go till next spring because we've talked
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 2: On your show, Brian.
Speaker 3: For as long as I've been coming on your show,
Speaker 3: which is at least twelve years.
Speaker 2: Every year, every year, every year.
Speaker 3: They do the same play Christmas, Christmas, Christmas Eves, shut
Speaker 3: Down Panic because here's what they're doing. They're taking our
Speaker 3: famili's hostage, the hot of the families of congressmen congressmen
Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. On December twentieth, which is when
Speaker 3: this CR expires, and they're gonna either put another worst
Speaker 3: CR that's probably gonna have Ukraine and everything else attached
Speaker 3: to it, or they're gonna do the full on omnibus,
Speaker 3: depending on how the election comes out. They're gonna do
Speaker 3: that on December twentieth, and the Congressmen they're gonna smell
Speaker 3: that those jet fumes from DCA, the Ronald BrigGen Airport
Speaker 3: and the combination of the fumes from those airplanes wafting
Speaker 3: over to the Capitol and this CR expiring, then they're
Speaker 3: gonna start chanting vote, vote, vote, and they will vote
Speaker 3: for anything you put in front of them, because the
Speaker 3: speaker always comes and says, doesn't matter who the speaker is,
Speaker 3: they always say, if you vote for this, you can
Speaker 3: go home and open presence with your family, and if
Speaker 3: you don't vote for this, we're going to be here
Speaker 3: over Christmas because the optics are bad. And just go
Speaker 3: ahead and tell your families pack up those presents and
Speaker 3: bring in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: If they want to be with you at Christmas.
Speaker 3: No, nobody's going to bring their family to DC over Christmas.
Speaker 2: So there, you're basically they're like the Grinch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, when I read that, the first person I
Speaker 1: thought it was you. I saw that. Oh no, late
Speaker 1: December cut off that. You gotta be kidding me. This
Speaker 1: is so obvious. It's a setup for the inevitable.
Speaker 3: Some people call me, yeah, some people call me no
Speaker 3: stratomis for predicting this.
Speaker 2: But the reality is, Brian, we could go back.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of work. God, yeah, we could go
Speaker 3: back on your radio show. We could find clips of
Speaker 3: me predicting this every year. It's not a prediction, it's
Speaker 3: just how the swamp works and the uniparty works.
Speaker 1: And guess what, They'll have twelve spending bills to do
Speaker 1: next year with the deadline in the fall, and they
Speaker 1: know that now, but they'll kick it around until late
Speaker 1: September and then push back for a cr.
Speaker 3: Listen, Congress being surprised by the fiscal deadline of September
Speaker 3: thirtieth is like a florist being surprised by Valentine's Day.
Speaker 2: It happens every year. Prepare for it.
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Speaker 1: Thomas with Nostra Thomas. That'd be Congressman Thomas. I just
Speaker 1: love that. That is so funny. Anyway, probably not funny,
Speaker 1: but here's the information, or provide the information of my
Speaker 1: listeners and me. Congressman Massy, what were the Fed's role
Speaker 1: in the January sixth drunken fraternity party?
Speaker 3: Huh, Well, there were a lot of FEDS there on
Speaker 3: January sixth, and they and they're call them confidential human sources.
Speaker 3: I think we should call some of them agent provocateurs.
Speaker 3: The Inspector General Horwitz, we had him in front of
Speaker 3: our Judiciary Committee, and I asked him when this report
Speaker 3: was going to come out, because it was three and
Speaker 3: a half years ago. He announced he was going to
Speaker 3: do a report on the DOJ slash FBI's role at
Speaker 3: January six preparing for it, and the day of it's
Speaker 3: been three and a half years. It's become obvious they
Speaker 3: are slow walking this whole report until after the election.
Speaker 2: He admitted as much in the questioning.
Speaker 3: And if you know, I didn't say this in the hearing,
Speaker 3: but I'm going to say this now. I think they're
Speaker 3: probably about two hundred Feds there on January sixth.
Speaker 2: Oh my word.
Speaker 3: Well, there's two ways to get at that estimate. Representative
Speaker 3: Clay Higgins agrees with me. He got to that estimate
Speaker 3: from a different direction there. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of trials, a lot of cases where people are being
Speaker 3: tried and put in prison for protesting that day and
Speaker 3: maybe going into the Capitol. Well in their sealed cases,
Speaker 3: but you can know some of this stuff sort of
Speaker 3: in each little vignette they have to disclose how many
Speaker 3: of those people were Feds. Well, you can take, let's say,
Speaker 3: if there's an incident that involves the people, and three
Speaker 3: of them are FEDS. You can extrapolate from the entire
Speaker 3: crowd to get to two hundred people.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: The other way you get to a large number is
Speaker 3: every every field office, every FBI field office in the
Speaker 3: United States had people in chat rooms in every region
Speaker 3: of the country trying to infiltrate and in some cases,
Speaker 3: like if you follow what happened with the Governor Whitmer kidnapping,
Speaker 3: fed napping, let's call it, where they there were more
Speaker 3: there were more FBI people than there were actual you know.
Speaker 1: Defendants, like engaging in entrapment effort correct entrapment.
Speaker 3: Half of the people in the Governor Whitmer case got
Speaker 3: off for entrapment, and I think that should be that
Speaker 3: should be of defense for some of these people in
Speaker 3: January sixth, But every field office had people already in
Speaker 3: you know, November, December working on.
Speaker 2: This, and they sent those people to DC. So every
Speaker 2: field office sent somebody.
Speaker 1: So this was a core ordinated effort to create the
Speaker 1: response that they obviously got. That's what they wanted to happen.
Speaker 2: I believe so. And then here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I was trying to get Inspector General in the hearing
Speaker 3: to admit that his report is going to show there
Speaker 3: are quite a few of these folks. And so one
Speaker 3: of the questions I asked him was what's the total
Speaker 3: amount of travel reimbursement for these informants.
Speaker 2: That showed up?
Speaker 3: Now the answer I think he was a little off
Speaker 3: guard when I asked that.
Speaker 2: He said, I don't know the exact number. I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes, there was reimbursements that I just don't
Speaker 1: have to figure with.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So for him to admit there were travel reimbursements for
Speaker 3: those people tells you two things. Number one, they were there, yes,
Speaker 3: But number two, the defense that some people have put
Speaker 3: out there that oh, of course there were informants, but
Speaker 3: they were turned after the event, like after the event
Speaker 3: in order to do a plea deal, they became informants, right,
Speaker 3: But no, you don't if you're paying their travel to
Speaker 3: get there.
Speaker 2: These are not people that did a plea deal, a.
Speaker 1: Plea bargain, uh pre existing relationship.
Speaker 3: Yes they were. They were full in the employee of
Speaker 3: the government. Now the question is is who is slow
Speaker 3: walking this thing until after the election. And you know,
Speaker 3: I believe that Attorney General Garland has a hand in
Speaker 3: this and I'm gonna you know, we're we're pushing him.
Speaker 3: There's no there's no way they're going to release this
Speaker 3: before the election. Yet, you know, I know certain things,
Speaker 3: and I tried to elucidate that in this hearing, UH
Speaker 3: to get it in a formal setting, and people are
Speaker 3: starting to see that that's what's that's what's going on now.
Speaker 3: If Kamala wins the election, I don't know if this
Speaker 3: report ever comes.
Speaker 1: Out, I don't think we'll see it'll ever see the
Speaker 1: light of day if that scenario unfolds.
Speaker 3: And by the way, why does why do Inspectors General?
Speaker 3: They're about I think they are about sixty of them.
Speaker 3: There's one for every department. There's one for the Post office,
Speaker 3: for instance. We're trying to get one for Ukraine, but
Speaker 3: there was one for Afghanistan. Why do they do these
Speaker 3: reports so you can learn and you can do things
Speaker 3: differently next time. But I pointed out to Inspector General Horwitz,
Speaker 3: it's one inauguration ago. It's been four years, and he's
Speaker 3: not even going to have this out before the election,
Speaker 3: and possibly not before the inauguration. So even in the
Speaker 3: most benign a charitable interpretation of what the FEDS were doing.
Speaker 3: They messed up, and we need to know how to
Speaker 3: do something better because you could have something similar going
Speaker 3: on this next January.
Speaker 2: Well, it's coming chain.
Speaker 1: You're responsible to hold them accountable. You're a representative, you're
Speaker 1: one of the people's representatives, and that they refuse to
Speaker 1: give information to the people who are responsible for oversight
Speaker 1: is just to me baffling angering. I don't know what
Speaker 1: FCC compliant way I can put it, pretty damn frustrating.
Speaker 1: And it happens time and time again. And the other
Speaker 1: component of this was like the attempted assassination hearings. You're
Speaker 1: talking with someone who's got information. He has information. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but it's just not in a final report yet. Well,
Speaker 1: how about just giving us what you got subject to
Speaker 1: revision when the damn report comes out.
Speaker 2: I just m he says.
Speaker 3: He says he's still waiting to see what can be
Speaker 3: declassified and what can't. But the reality is probably he
Speaker 3: already knows ninety five percent of his report can be
Speaker 3: published in its form, So we should get that information now,
Speaker 3: but we're not getting.
Speaker 1: It well for obvious political reasons.
Speaker 2: I will conclude, and here's the answer. Here's here's how
Speaker 2: you would cut through all of this. We have the
Speaker 2: power of the purse.
Speaker 3: I have said time and again, if we would just
Speaker 3: withhold funding for one toner cartridge at the FBI, if
Speaker 3: one of their copiers went down because we cut the
Speaker 3: funding for that copier, they would come to heal. But
Speaker 3: instead we're building a brand new building. Why would they
Speaker 3: answer us if we if we just keep funding them
Speaker 3: and they can with impunity, you know thumb their no.
Speaker 1: Yep, there's no repercussions. Why would they give you the
Speaker 1: information if it's bad for their political side of the
Speaker 1: Ledger Congressman Thomas Massey judging and A Polton is probably
Speaker 1: listening right now. Joe gave me advance notices.
Speaker 2: You be on.
Speaker 1: You know he's a big fan of yours. I know
Speaker 1: you're a big fan of his. He'll be on next.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for what you do.
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks to the judge. Look forward to him coming on.
Speaker 3: I am going to do a tea party meeting tonight
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Speaker 2: It's going to be fun. They've been in business forever.
Speaker 2: They're in Florence.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you have a nice time there and
Speaker 1: give them all my best and all right, what is
Speaker 1: it again, Master Thomas Nostra, Thomas Noster, Thomas, Well, there's
Speaker 1: two ways of slicing it on that one until we
Speaker 1: talk again. It's been great talking. Keep up the great work,
Speaker 1: my friend. All right, thanks Brian folks, stick around, Judge
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