Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome to another episode of Brav
Vote We're Black and Little White. Today, as usual, we
got our resident white Boy of the Year, Royan Bailey. Here.
He's a dad. I think the last time I had
you on it was pre baby, and now it's post baby,
and you just celebrated your first Father's Day. You recently
reached the top ten of podcasts point blank, which was
Hella Dope to see because it's a lot. You also
were on the Blue Carpet? Was it for the last
Coultrees as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yea, you have.
Speaker 1: Been freaking killing it. So how are you? Are you tired?
Are you good? Do you need a break? Or are
you on like, oh where you gotta keep going?
Speaker 2: No, you know, we talked about this.
Speaker 3: I think yesterday is it's I think, I mean, I'm
on a high in terms of my personal life, the
professional life. It's great, but it's you know, it's like
we do this every day, and I think we're coming
off the Summerhouse Shenanigans. So I think there's like a
natural deflation and we you know, I know you are
like completely loving Love Island, USA, and for some reason
it's not grabbing me and and that's like kind of
I swear to God, it's like it's it's almost starting
to make me crazy because I feel like, oh my god,
that really I'm feeling my age and that's like sending
me into a tailspin of depression where I watched a
couple videos last night of people like speaking so passionately
about Love Island, USA, where I was like, oh my god,
I want to feel what you feel and I just
can't feel it. And there's it's alarming to me as
somebody that watches TV now for a living, I want
to feel these things and all you have to go
by is your internal temperature, and so you're I'm frustrated
with myself, Like I also, I always leave room that
I can be wrong. I'm wrong multiple times. So I'm
trying to understand exactly like why I'm not feeling the
emotions that are a lot of people are because I
felt it for Summerhouse, and maybe I just shot my
load with Summerhouse, where I'm like all my feelings are
deadened now after that got released. I don't know, I'm
you know, I'm I mean, I woke up today in
a deep depression that like I had to like break
myself out of and I think part of that is
you know, I guess we.
Speaker 2: Call ourselves creators. Is like, what are we doing.
Speaker 3: We're just like fumbling around in the dark every day
hoping that you are able to make yourself happy and
that somebody can feel a little less alone based on
what we're talking about. But sometimes, man, it is this
is not like woe is me or woe is us?
But sometimes it's really hard.
Speaker 1: No, it really is, because it's also like what am
I doing that actually matters? Like I'm having fun and
I always say that even if I can make one person,
one person's day for you know, a week, I've done
my job, and I'm like, well, does that really matter?
But then I think about when I listen to other
peop people's podcasts and when I watch TV shows, and
I'm like, this actually took me out of what I
was going through. So if I could make someone feel
half as much as what people make me feel, we're
doing our jobs and like I said, you just literally
you you have been doing so much professional wise, and
then personally like you have a new baby. So I
mean it's like a lot of emotions like that.
Speaker 3: Also, it's like if I see my baby smile. That
provides me of like two days worth of happiness. So
it's like this really interesting balancing act on top of
like the baby is obviously the most work of everything,
but it's also the most gratifying right now. But like,
to your point, it was so funny last night I
was I was editing a video and I was working
and I saw that on Netflix there was like this
really kind of subpar Ben Stiller movie from two thousand
and four called Along Came Polly with Jennifer Aniston, and
I got that one. I got an email saying it
was leaving Netflix soon, So like, why don't I put
this on.
Speaker 1: A watch it?
Speaker 3: Well, it's so silly and dumb, but at the same time,
there's a supporting performance from Phillips Seymour Hoffman, who passed
away God a long time ago now, and he was
one of my favorite actors. And it's such a silly movie,
and he commits so hard to his small part that
it just makes me laugh because he's such a good actor.
But I think that was even kind of thrown me
into this thing of we talk about other people and
their work, and I think sometimes that's starting to eat
at me in little ways of like, well, when are
you know, It's like and for you as well, like, man,
what are we going to make some TV? When are
we going to put out stories that we believe in?
And I'm not God, I'm so sorry you guys. I'm
not shading any.
Speaker 1: Now, don't apologize on this podcast, like this is the
place to actually like get it out, like I'm very much.
I used to be an overshare but now I just
haven't had time to overshare because the summerhouse. But don't worry,
it's coming back now that I don't have as much
stuff to talk about.
Speaker 3: Now that your foot is off Amanda Matula's neck.
Speaker 1: Right after forty days and forty nights, it's just like,
go ahead say what you were saying.
Speaker 3: No, I was just saying that there was there's there's
like starting to be an itch of like making something myself,
you know, of like even if it's like a grand
failure of like you know, I was like, I love
commenting on other people's work, but at the same time,
I think also what would make great criticism is understanding
the process of how these things are made. You know,
I don't even necessarily mean a reality show, but I think,
you know, anytime I get to talk to one of
the creatives of these shows, you get a different perspective.
Like today we woke.
Speaker 1: Up with the news that to one of the producers
of Rhode Island, which it was amazing because they said
he said that basically when they were in it, you
didn't know how good it was, and like, that's amazing.
And then also you just talk to me, and that's
so dope.
Speaker 3: I mean, but Kay's and this is great for anybody
listening to wonder about like what we do and what creators.
So Walgreen's reached out and I've done this now a
couple of times with advertising ities where they'll be like,
we have a brand partnership with like PHAEDR Parks or
Da Da Da Da, and you can get fifteen minutes,
but you got to talk a lot about Walgreens. And
my thing always is I don't get a dollar from that.
So I already realize it's going to read as an advertisement,
as it should. But my hope is I get to
ask a couple of questions. Now, there was restrictions on
that interview. I couldn't ask directly about WES, I couldn't
ask directly about like there's restrictions on it. So then
the goal is like, Okay, can I still have a
somewhat nice conversation with somebody that I just want to
talk to, Like it's from my experience as well, it's
like I want to see what that what that's like
talking to somebody that's all of a sudden getting in
a bunch of partnerships based off of this insanity that
just happened. But that's the other thing that sometimes I
also know going into that it frustrates the audience. I
can explain beforehand that this is a partnership, but they
still sometimes feel cheated or you know, no matter if
I assure like no money has exchanged hands, I'm always
nine times out of ten going to take that opportunity
because I'm a fan. At the end of the day,
I want to to mea And the hope is that
you can build up some sort of rapport where you
do get to interview MIA without restrictions at some point, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of I've never even gotten
like a brand partnership interview. I think that that would
be hella dope, And I think that that's good because
you can not only like, not only are you helping
this amazing person who we know and we love and
we fell in love with and she was just so
amazing and emotion like she wore her heart on her
sleeve during the season where I was very much I
don't know if I said it on your podcast or
I think I said it with Leah. I'm like, oh
my god, I hate that we have to literally talk
about this Amanda West Sierra stuff. Because Mia has a
solid storyline from obviously dealing with grief, dealing with a relationship,
being new to the house, being a black woman, you know,
her career, where she's going next. It's like you got
to support someone who is getting, you know, the brand
deals and all these great things that they deserve. Although
they played a background character, they are no longer a
background character because people want to know more about me.
And yeah, it was for Walgreens, but you suck a
few questions in there and you were able to feel Still.
Speaker 3: This is to your point, though, is that I think
the older I get, the more I do wanted to
sit around and talk about our moms, you know, sit
around and like, but you know, I did get to
talk to her about that scene with the psychic and
her mom. And you know what was so interesting is
that she said, I thought I was going to be
hated for that. I thought people were not going to
be there for that. This is a show about partying
your balls off on the weekends. And for me, as
I get older that those like you know, like literally, yeah,
sometimes you're not in the mood for that. These are
supposed to be escapism shows. But I was so there
for that, And I think it speaks to people that
you know who have lost somebody and as you get older,
you will lose somebody in your life. That to me
was so extremely comforting. And you know, not every person
on these shows can pull that off, but Mia, she
seems like such a good natured person that that was
so moving to me. And to me, that is worth
so much more in Gold than West and Amanda in
the But Wes and Amanda, you know, they matter so
much in the immediate like right now. But the stories
that Mia is telling, those are gonna stick with you,
I think, and resonate, especially as you get older, for
a long time to come. And so you know, it's
like you're investing in these people. That's what a reality
You're investing in a character and you're putting your money
and your hope and like whatever you feel into these people,
and you're like, don't let me down.
Speaker 2: And that's the same thing.
Speaker 3: With Wes, Like I really believe in West and I'm like, okay,
And then when these people let you down, it just
shows you how deeply parasocial we are because you feel
actual residual pain and you know you shouldn't be, you know,
that's ridiculous, but the feeling is still there. And that's
usually when you know that a reality show has done
its job, is when you feel activated in some sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rather it's positive or negative, like if something yes
where you don't have you know, like Apathy's words, which
it's not evoking any emotion to you right now. With
Love Island, it's like the opposite of that, you.
Speaker 3: Know, because they've only known each other for three weeks
at this point, you know, like so I do, Like
I was, I was listening to this brilliant woman talking
about you know, how diabolical it was for the producers
to show the men in casa and them getting like
writhed on by the ladies, and you got to see.
Speaker 2: In real time these women.
Speaker 3: You know, become broken hearted, and yes to a degree,
but you know what real broken hearted is is in
a relationship for years and years, you know, there's something
so much and I think maybe that just comes with
age when you realize those things. You know, it's like,
it's hard for me to be fully engaged on people
that have known each other for three weeks, Like you know,
it's like, yes, but I mean to this woman's point
is that, you know, it is an example, it's a
microcosm of what actually women go through of watching us
men and let you down on a you know, a
consistent basis. Now they're seeing this first part of it.
They're not seeing now two days later where the men
are like, I'm miss her, I miss Trinity so much,
you know, like they don't get to see that. Like
men will always act in the moment, and nine times
out of ten we're going to make the wrong choices.
But a lot of people never understand that there are
residual emotions that once you come out of your decades,
you will start to it'll start to feel And I
think women are so present in their emotions and their
body in that moment because they're just you know, they're
just I mean, just let's face it, they're smarter and
they know emotional weight immediately, and I think men catch
up to emotional weight.
Speaker 1: So in Love Alan basically, but this has been every
single year, like it hasn't really changed the formula. So
that's why I'm surprised as to I think, maybe are
you out growing it? Or is it the Summer House
of it all? And I think it could be the
Summer House of it all because you have seen this
every year, and even on Summer House, it's like how
long have these people known each other? Like, you know,
when they introduced someone new? So I mean it's also
like there's really good seasons and then there's really you know,
okay seasons, and there's seasons where you see more producer involvement,
and like that's either I don't know if it's positive
or or negative, but I'm all in on Love.
Speaker 3: The last two seasons of Love is I loved I
mean I really because I thought they weren't there for
the right reasons last season, and I loved it still.
Speaker 2: I remember Ace going around, you know, like they.
Speaker 3: Were they were very aware and cast I think that
was so obvious that they were aware last season. But
I thought it was still so enjoyable, and I think,
to me, I think it comes down to casting. You're
even like Ladies of London not coming back, you know,
I know there's a reason that they're not sharing it
with us. Maybe it was low ratings, maybe it was
Q score, maybe it was all of these things so crazy,
but at the end of the day, it's like, well,
I fell in love with these people. Like That's what
I always preach on the show, is that it's got
to start with casting. It's got to start with casting.
If you love, like like this season of Atlanta, for
some reason, it works like you got the right people there.
So all you have to do is build a foundation.
But you have to cast the right people. And if
you cast the right people, man, just get ready. You
get ready, because eventually it is going to pay off
in it like Summer House, it's going to pay off
in dibdends when they make a stupid move, and us
as humans will always make stupid moves. And then you
just have a cam. You just have to point and shoot.
You're not gonna even have to do that much work
if you've built the right foundation. And I just don't
feel like love Island, USA. Every season is a gamble.
Like they can build a house, they can think they
can build a foundation, but if those elements don't interact,
I mean that must be so exciting from a production angle,
you know, like for them making it, they've got to
be in the most stressful, thrilling summer of their life.
But we will never hear their story because we're watching
these goofballs, you know.
Speaker 1: And the crazy part about Love Island is also like
we're getting the turnaround time, like in.
Speaker 3: Yes, didn't that that hours? Oh I geek out. That's
the stuff I geek out about now. Like from a
production standpoint.
Speaker 1: I think what you are trying to reflect on, like
as a creator is, yes, I do interviews and I
love what I do and I want to continue to
do what I do. But is my brand literally just
getting to know other people? And I feel like if
it is, that's also okay?
Speaker 3: Oh god, my god. Everything I'm doing is oh, like
it's more than okay. Like I never thought any of this.
I never thought I would make a nor did I
go into this trying to make a dollar thinking about
making a dollar.
Speaker 1: So but now that you have, it's okay for you
to be like Okay, now, like I'm doing interviews, I'm
getting dream guests, I'm doing this amazing thing. What's next.
I think we're always thinking about what can we do
that's different, or what is it that's my brand? What
is it so bad?
Speaker 3: It's good well to be honest, to be honest with you,
And and maybe this is a fault that I should
look into, is that I don't really think about my brand.
I think about like usually like oh that sounds cool,
or I'd love to talk to that person, or oh
I get to read this book to interview this guest,
Like that was the dream as a kid, like if
I could get paid like watching TV and reading books
and so in some weird way, that kind of has
manifested to doing, you know, not purposely, but it's like
that's what I do.
Speaker 1: Now You're literally living your dream. And also, like you, you
have an in person studio that you can go to,
like you pretty much have a show like you are
to someone in a weird way, that same person that
maybe obviously not a kid who knows maybe there is
just like some seven year old that's like I really
dig so bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. I want
to be like him one day, but like as someone
who's younger, like like even me, just as a creator.
I in a not a weird way, I do look
up to you because it's like I remember when we
all started like together, and like where you went and
where you are now. It's just like so dope. So
it's natural to wake up in a funk sometimes and
be like, but I look up to you, and.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I there there are so many things
to you where I'm like you you have the hustle,
you have the humor, you have the empathy, you.
Speaker 2: Have the heart, you have all of these things. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like you push when I usually I'll kind of
get in my head and kind of take a step back.
Or to me, I love putting out the show, but
I don't love watch I don't love looking at myself.
Like there are things of like if you see me
posting a video on my Instagram, you'll know that that
took a deep that was like a deeply painful thing
like I had to make.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is deeply painful. I hate it.
Speaker 3: That's the part I hate the having to shout yourself
out and promote yourself. That is the for me, the
cringiest part of this job because but at.
Speaker 2: The same time it's the most essential.
Speaker 1: It's essential because if you got to keep posting your clips, dude,
and that's the thing I condition that I already had
with you, but you've gotten better with it, like.
Speaker 3: Yo, Madiza's gotten back. I I mean, we're we're push
we're pushing forward. But it is interesting of how often
I was like, you know what, now, don't make a
clip for that. And you know it's fine because I
thought in I think you're like, well, if I just
do the show, that's enough. And that's the thing is
that it's not enough because in this day and age,
nobody is going to magically find you. You know, nobody's
going to magically find you. And if you go online,
you know, which we all do, often, you're just inundated
with so many things, you know, like you see yourself
again and again and again and again and again, and
you almost get sick of yourself before you even put
your put your foot in the game. And my thing
is as being a straight white dude. I've said this
many times on the show. I've seen my story, not
my personal story of being a real like a reality
star lover, but my story. I grew up seeing so
many examples of where to me about fifteen twenty years ago,
I was like, I'm good on straight white men's stories.
I know, I get it, like I and I don't
feel like, but what's interesting? And I think that's where
an entrance point into reality TV is excellent because you
get to see so many other people's stories, Like, oh,
I want to because not only do you see how
different they are, but also you see all of the commonalities,
how alike we are.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, in this day and age,
when we.
Speaker 3: Were so like pulled apart by politics and life and
reality not TV, but our actual realities, I think there
is something so comforting about like we all do share
like a basic language and I don't mean English, but
I just mean in humanity.
Speaker 2: And so that to me.
Speaker 3: Is like I don't need I don't need to see
like what it's like to be a white creator, Like
I don't give a shit, So I like, and that's
the thing, Like I don't want.
Speaker 2: To be an influencer.
Speaker 3: I just want to do my little thing and be
able to like ask the questions I want to ask
and make the silly jokes and I think you're you're
a lot the same way, like we got into this
to laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing this shit for the love of the game, truly,
because we'll like put out all episodes with like important
guests or even just like really good episodes when we
talk about things that we're passionate about and we know
that other people are passionate about it, but we don't, like,
you know, promote as much or put as many clips.
I'm getting better about that because I'm always like, oh
my god, I hate the sound of my voice. A
lot of people hate the sign of my voice, and
I'm like, we're all in agreement on that, but I'm
just like if I don't, And that's why it was
so it was so taxing to me when I'm like, fuck,
I might have to rebuild my Instagram alert you guys.
I have not been able to tell you guys this,
but my Instagram is back. We are so back, baby.
Not only are we back, but I have sent many apologies,
but I have about three hundred Tola Davis yet. Yeah,
she hasn't responded. She didn't read she didn't read them.
Speaker 3: She was like what if she was like, girl, you
have put me through a week like She's like, last week,
I've lost it and I've lost my entire fortune, lost.
Speaker 1: My Facebook pro file voting for your fake fashion.
Speaker 3: I need to go back to Shondaland to do a
new series just to make money, just for you.
Speaker 1: And then she just like put unread because he can
do that. I'm like, she's reading them. But guys, we're
so back. I'm so sorry that that happened.
Speaker 3: And you explained it probably on your show, but you
explained it on my show yesterday.
Speaker 2: Is that why that? I mean, that is so important.
Speaker 3: It's like some people might be like, oh, whatever, whatever,
but it's like, that is your way of communicating to
the outside world. That is your way of making people
aware of what you do and who you are. And
if you lose trust in these people that you've gained
trust from, that's a big thing in doing what we
do because you realize that every you.
Speaker 2: Know, even if you're not intending to make a.
Speaker 3: Mistake, every you feel very you feel like everything is very,
very important when you do this job, and that you're
like literally.
Speaker 1: Is because people think it's for vanity reasons, like oh,
you lost Instagram, who cares? It's just Instagram, and it's like,
I'm not at the point where it's like Instagram is
paying my bills every day, but it is like when
I do get brand deals, it is with Instagram, and
it is with it is with with with Threads. So
I don't want to lose that connection. But also it's
just harder to get in the room as a black
creator and make these same connections because I'm seeing people
who start way after me get way ahead of me.
And I'm just like, Okay, that's okay because I'm used
to working twice as hard for half as much. But
then when you go and then you message people, and
these people are like I would love to support you.
All I gotta do is just like click a link
to vote, and I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: You're goin to support you. That's easy.
Speaker 1: Like I think the bitcoin was like one thing because
I wouldn't do that. I would just straight up ask
you for money. Patreon, dot com, slash bra while black,
buy me a coffee slash blah blah blah blah. Thank
you guys for that. Also, if you want my face
and me and Aaron's face on your chest like it's
on mine, Bravo, while black dot dash stream dot com.
We got new straights up for the podcast.
Speaker 2: Baby we are closer fans? Are we close to you?
And Aaron?
Speaker 1: We're not close. If if I don't take off in
a year, I'm either getting married or I'm just gonna
do only fans, but you will never see me.
Speaker 3: Like those usually are the two options. It's either get
married or only fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but okay, we always get on here and
like have existential crisis.
Speaker 2: Sorry guys.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I realize how fucking probably horrible
that sounds to the audience, because no it does not.
Speaker 1: Because my audience wants to know what it's like. They
message me and say, oh, I didn't know it was
like that. I didn't realize that. And also they don't
realize like how something simple as literally just liking a picture,
reposting or sharing something helps an influencer like me or
you be seen and grow and and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: I think there's a fallacy where people think, oh, you
you've you've made it.
Speaker 3: You're good, You're good, and that really is like every
day it's like starts. It starts brand new, and and
as you get into different rooms or bigger rooms. It
even it becomes more important because then you're dealing with
you know, you have to not go up against but
you're getting similar guests of like Nick Vile or Heather
mc donald or these people, and it's like, I do
not have that. I mean, I am not, I am
not anywhere near there. So like I am still to
me like an independent band, you know, like you are.
Speaker 1: And you know what's so funny? Song was like, oh,
I can't wait to work for you one day, and
I'm like, babe, I can't wait to work for myself
one day, Like what like that? It's not paying the
bills totally, but we're on our way and I'm I was.
Speaker 3: Talking to Tom Hamlet, our buddy Tom Hamlets Hamlet, I
was doing summerhouse recaps and he was He texted me
the other day and you know, it was so great
doing those summerhouse recaps with him and he just said,
you know, he's starting to be able to make money
from this. And there was nothing that made me happier.
Speaker 2: That day because I think it's deserved.
Speaker 3: I know he puts in hard work and you know
that's when it's that's when it's great, is when you
see somebody you believe in start to like break through
because the talent is always there.
Speaker 2: You know, the talent's always been there.
Speaker 3: It's like you just have to have the right opportunity
to get more people to be aware of you. And
that's that's the thing that you know. It's just like
time and place sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so speaking of white men, tell me about this.
I have not seen it because I haven't been online
today like that. I've been on my personal So apparently
Wes has came out of the sewer and he's doing
the whiteboards with his boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Soho Brody they do those whiteboard things
where they go through reality TV, you know, dramas and
stuff like that, and Wes has participated in those before.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's a fairly popular.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you call it, like sketch or
not sketch, but like it's a fairly series.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to say Abby Bonadiva's I think, yeah, yes, Abby,
she was the first one that I saw, like really
do that with within the Bravo space. But I have
seen them over the years. You know, Sol Brody and
queens of Bravo would would share it sometimes. So what's
going on with that?
Speaker 3: So they released a two part Summer House breakdown of
this drama and Wes Wilson participates in it. Now, listen,
a lot of people are going to be turned off immediately.
And I didn't walk away from those two things that
I watched, going, oh man, he's al'ys forgiven anything like that.
But I will say he's definitely answered more than he
did at the reunion at all. And a couple of
things that they actually got out of him was that
he was on xan x.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just.
Speaker 3: Beta blockers, so I thought, justice for beta blockers, you know.
In the second the second part of it, they catch
him up in the xan X thing, which is great,
And then they do talk momentarily about the video that
got edited out of the Summerhouse reunion, saying when it
was a neighbor, it was a neighbor across the street.
That video dem allegedly in a compromising position. They didn't,
they haven't seen it, but that's what made them rush
to actually put that statement out because they were caught
in a compromising position. And Wes is like, well, you know,
you live in New York, you just you know, you're
supposed to assume your name. You know, we all are
on top of each other. You're not supposed to know.
It's like, yeah, no, shit, we're not supposed to By
the way, that is illegal. What that person whoever did
that did that? But that actually, you know, who knows
if that videotape exists, but he knows that they were
doing something where it would make sense that something like
that could have been videotaped. But there's a lot of
a lot of information in there, and he kind of
at the end, he says, I get it about not
returning to the summerhouse. I'm good with taking a to
which is sports Lingo for time out out. I think
he thinks he will be coming back to Bravo at
some point. I mean, it didn't seem like the doors
were shut in his head, but he was. It was
the very sand of all of it, all of like,
I can't believe this blew up to this degree. Also,
I mean, there was just so many little pieces like listen,
this is what happens whether you like him or hate him.
And I think a lot of people hate him, which
is totally understandable. Is that it's good when you actually
have a relationship like these guys already did with West,
They're able to get.
Speaker 2: More out of him, and they call him like a
piece of shit, like throughout the two episodes.
Speaker 3: Now those are his boys, obviously, and it ends in
a very friendly way, but they you know, they call
him out on a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: They do hold his feet to the fire.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's still obviously is a loving,
safe environment. But they're able Like if me or you
interviewed him, you're not going to get anything out of him.
You know, you're not going to get anything out of him,
So you.
Speaker 2: Need those two people.
Speaker 3: I will say, it is frustrating once again to have
him do it on platforms that are not Bravo. You know,
he's doing his friends a solid here because those videos
are going to be huge, But also he's still sticking
with he says with the Brionna Chicken Fries, saying todave
portnoy him that he told Brianna that they were hooking
up at the Super Bowl. He said, Nah, I was
probably drunk, and I think I said something like, you know,
oh yeah, I think a man is hot. I think
he's still lying about that part of it.
Speaker 2: But he's saying, like, I.
Speaker 3: See, maybe she was confused, but I didn't say that
we were like hooking up. I think I was saying
she was hot and I wanted to make out with her.
So I think there's a lot of guys fill within this.
But but there was a lot of like, that's fair,
that's fair, and you know, I get why you would
think that, and that's fair, and you know, but it was,
it was. It was interesting. I will say, it is
very funny. No matter what you see, it's like Sierra
is always in terms of the conversation surrounding that this,
she always kind of ultimately always takes a back seat. No,
but she takes a back seat in terms of it
always seems like they don't directly confront the Sierra of
it all, like they'll talk about everything that's happened.
Speaker 1: They don't think that. And that's that is why so
many black women, especially rallied around her, is because they
don't see why this is so important and why this
is such a big deal. Obviously it's a big deal
for anyone white or black. You are fucking your ex's
best friend, and your ex's best friend is literally fucking you.
That would hurt anyone, but especially after you already embarrassed
her as a white man on TV one time, moped around,
made her the big bad wolf, and then again made
her feel safe with you saying the words that I
see you and turned around and did this. They don't
see that this is a bigger and it's not.
Speaker 3: Especially after the conversation that they rehad this season at
that dinner table. You know, that's the part where it
comes up once again that he didn't even watch the reunions,
because they're like, was this the first time that you saw,
like you knew those dick pics existed beforehand, and he
was like, you know, he's like, you even asked him,
was it flaccid? And Wes was like that was that
was in the reunion. They're like, yeah, you didn't fucking
watch the reunion. But he was like, he says, he
always takes body shots and you know, he says, he says,
and by the way, you maybe you could interview Wes
because you have something in common. He says, his Facebook
and Instagram got hacked.
Speaker 1: I believe it was Amandan West behind my hacking. But
that's another conspiracy that we'll get into another day. Because
I don't want it to get hacked again because I
think they were tested when I made the video the
first time. But we'll get into that another day. All right, Well,
it's just him.
Speaker 2: Will you watch this?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. But I think that as far
as covering it, this is the extent that he goes to, like,
I don't want to give I.
Speaker 3: Don't want to I don't want to bring it down
line for line like I would have during the season
or during It's like.
Speaker 1: Now I'm it's not on Bravo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I do find my my biggest
geek or kink is information. I love.
Speaker 3: I think we all love information, right like I want to.
But at the same time, if you can't trust the
source no matter what information you get it, you know,
once that believability or that that trust is kind of
broken with the audience, it really is hard to accept
a narrative that you've had more time to think out.
Speaker 1: Well, the worst thing that I feel like I can
do is give him exactly what he wants, which is fame.
And that's why he's continuing to do, you know, his
podcast and then doing other videos. So I think that
that's also another thing why is that. I feel like
I want to put and then even if Amanda does
like call her daddy or Nick viaio I, unless she
says something outrageous, like I will maybe like talk about it,
but I'm not going to dedicate space and hold space
for that. If it's not on Bravo. Now that in
the City reunion, that's when I'll get into it. But
when it's not on Bravo, I don't want you guys
to be able to get famous when you're not on
the show that literally built you and Amanda especially like
I just don't want them to be famous. I don't
care when they go to weddings. I don't care that
this bring each other's mouths. I don't care about anything
that has to do with with anything that's not on
the show. And I want to put this away. I
want this to go away. I want Sierra to continue.
And I'm like, also at a certain point, I'm like,
I'm so tired of talking about the two most basic
white people I've ever seen in my entire fucking life,
Like I live really, but you.
Speaker 3: Talk about fame, and I think it's important to recognize
that there are different levels of fame. A Bravo Leberties
fame is very different than out like, you know, outward
outward fame and what's so great and so interesting at
the end of the day, Arian and Sierra have been
able to break out of just Bravo Leberty fame, I
would I would argue Page has as well.
Speaker 2: Is that they are in you know, you talk.
Speaker 3: We were just talking about being in different rooms as podcasters,
you know, and like working your way up the last.
Speaker 1: Page and handa were just on not suitable for work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Mindy Cayling Show.
Speaker 3: They were not there now in different rooms, and they're
probably dealing with a bunch of worries and insecure that
they never faced before that we will never see. But
it is a different conversation around these people. Now, Sierra
is gonna be on one of the biggest competition series
of all time on Dancing with the Stars this season.
Speaker 2: You're gonna she's getting offers. So she's probably getting.
Speaker 3: Obviously flooded with offers because you can't turn on the
TV without seeing a Sierra Miller commercial, which is like,
good for you, but it's gonna be hard because then
you're like in a whole different echelon where you're now
worried about your next choice because you know Bravo's always there.
They're gonna want to keep you in the stable, in
the family. But now it's like, how do I make
this last? And so, you know, hats off always to
Ariono Maddox being able to continue this on for three
seasons of Love Island USA and Book Saint Dennis Medical
that show on NBC and Will Trent. So it's gonna
be really exciting for me is when it starts to
break over into other pop culture that we deeply love
just as much.
Speaker 2: As Bravo are.
Speaker 1: I would argue that especially now, like we just saw
See Your Last and Mormon Wise hasn't even been around
what three years.
Speaker 3: And they started they started as huge influencers though in
terms of like the amount of followers that they had
on TikTok before that show even started. I mean, Taylor,
Freakie Paul, it was, it was, I mean, they all
she had a bigger following than any of the cast
of Summer House, I believe at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she absolutely started off like they started off with
like a lot and it's a completely different kind of
reality show that they did, which worked for them, but
for them to be able to be on Broadway and
to then be the Bachelorette and to be so famous
that even if you wwe the father of your child,
you still get to have a Bachelorette season. That is
insane for a quote unquote reality star or influencer. So
is it?
Speaker 3: And you saw that news today that it's coming back
this summer, right, the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like they're this big that it
doesn't even matter what they do, they can still you know.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you what?
Speaker 3: And I know this is not gonna be the popular
It's like it just shows you once again that really
money makes the world go around.
Speaker 2: That I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: I don't Oh, I don't believe they should have chosen
her as the Bachelorette in the first place. I think
she's still having to learn a lot and doing it
in the public eye. We've obviously seen where it's intensified
most situations in her life. I think she is somebody
that I truly and I don't mean this is like
I don't I dislike her. I worry for her because
I think she already was dealing with some instability and
I'm trying to be as kind as possible, and I
think this kind of magnifying glass. I think you're really
you're really asking for trouble and you already saw it
once and I know they put a big investment, but
that's on ABC. Man, that's like you got to cut
you know, like you should have known in the beginning
that you were gonna deal with this, and now you're
gonna put on this show where we're supposed to believe
in love, where we already know what fucking We already
knew the outcome of the Bachelorette at the end, and
we already knew she slept with what's his nuts like
directly after coming home from the Bachelorette. So I'm gonna
watch a whole season. It's like Love Island, USA. We're
asked to believe in the concept of love when we've
all been through so many relationships, most of us at
this point had our heart's broken, maybe broken some hearts
out there. And then you're like, I'm supposed to like
log in and like were like, oh, I hope she
chooses this guy. We already know which guys she chose,
and we already know that she broke that dude's heart
allegedly and went back to Dylan or Dakota Like so
for me, you're like, you're just showing that we've just
got to make money.
Speaker 2: That's I'm sorry, guys, gonna be a hit.
Speaker 1: It'll be also yeah, And it's also crazy because during
this entire time she has not reflected at all, like,
you know, she.
Speaker 3: Gets angry, She gets angry at the audience, she gets
angry at her cast members, she gets angry for anybody
that likes And by the way, if you're a normal
person and if you're her friend or you know, when
I will say, the people that in my life that
I trust the most are the people that have been
honest with me, did have been like hey man, that
was not you know what happened here? That was not
a good luck you know, Like those are the people
you can really trust. The people that just blindly kiss
your ass like that's a I'm a dozen man. And
the fact that she lashes out against people that that
should have questions about her and her mental health, to
me is like still shows that she might not be
in a place where it's good to keep fully platforming
at the highest level on network television and streaming.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, and we're we're seeing it and then
and then unfortunately, hopefully nothing happens to where it's like
I just I just want her and her kids to
be okay. But I just don't think the spotlight, especially
the Bachelorette, would be for her like I would in
my ideal world, she would take a break from TV
in general, and then maybe if she actually reflected returning
to Secret Lives and Mormon wives, because I just don't
even see the value of just watching this season just
to fucking watch this season.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And then it becomes a thing where like, well, we
got to watch it. It's like, yeah, I want to
watch it. It becomes one of those things that you
almost feel like indentured to what You're like, oh, I
have to watch this, and you already know that there's
something you know, like you're gonna have like kind of
a weird bad feeling about it because you're never gonna
purely be able to have escapism viewing because you're already
gonna know the end. You know, you already know that
the Titanic sinks. And I think that is something that
is really interesting in this day and age when we
have plat we've we've made famous so many influencers that
like the turnaround time on these shows. That's why Love
Island is kind of genius. How quick they turn this around.
We know so much about these influencers and what their
life is present day that now to take like to
go back in time a year where it's like it's
it makes it harder for reality television. That's why you
know with Love Island it's such a success because that
turnaround time is so quick. We said that like Bravo,
it's like seven months have passed before these seasons make
its air. You know, you've noticed their turnaround time is
a lot quicker than it used to be. Like Orange
County came back so much quicker. Below Deck med came
back so much quicker than last season. And I have
a prediction, not prediction. I think that's really what's happening,
is that you're going to see these shows like be
pushed to like, no, you got to bring it back faster,
bring it back faster, because you're competing with us. Being
so fascinated in these people that we keep studying them
after the.
Speaker 2: Show wraps, like we go on redit, we find.
Speaker 3: We find their tax records, their homeownership, all of this
shit exactly.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's gonna be good or
bad for it, but regardless, guess what, me and Ryan
will be here to talk about it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that thing.
Speaker 3: But I you know, and I what I hate though,
is that I feel like and this is another thing
I go to war with myself over is that, you know,
as I age, like, I don't want to I don't
want to yuck anybody's yum. I don't want to be
a fuddy duddy, a stick in the mud, because I
do appreciate, like, find joy wherever you can find joy.
I think this is just what I personally am feeling,
is that you know, that internal clock, which maybe it's
broken now, but I just overall, I think it's good
for the network. You're gonna make a lot of money,
and that's what this is about. Don't fool yourself. But
I get truly worried for Taylor. Frankie Paul down the line,
I don't think that's.
Speaker 1: What I was saying. I'm like, I just don't want
anything like bad to happen, and like worse than it's
already already happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing. There's kids involved. You know,
there's nothing more like alarming than when.
Speaker 2: You realize the cast of the Valley has kids. When
you're like watching, You're like.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm getting into this, and then they're like, gotta
go change a diaper and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, no, the.
Speaker 1: Next generation cruise cruise.
Speaker 3: With the Nami rot now I'll You're like, what, No,
it's justly yeah, let me finish this fucking crab boil
before I go Laila get.
Speaker 1: Well, guys, you will not believe we came here today
actually to talk about Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Poor Atlanta. Man.
Speaker 3: We I mean we really always like would end up
talking about ten things before we get Don't worry about.
Speaker 1: It because that's how it is over here. Because over
over I appreciate what you do so much because you
literally go line by line, you have people's voices down,
you have like the detail that you pay to these
shows and also like to your views. We have just
different styles because I care uch all you do. It's
just that we have different styles.
Speaker 3: So and and by the way, it's been so hard
to break myself up that habit, like once you start
working a certain way, when you start this, it really
becomes something. And I've talked with Sandra and like it's
really hard, Like every time I try to break myself,
I always think there's something so fascinating about just the
throwaway lines. Like I grew up in theater and like
studying like scripts and so always the script was like
the roadmap and it gave you all the clues everything.
So for me, I'm still in this idiot mind frame
of like you've got to look at every line, every
line builds this something, and then you realize, you know,
I'm at this point now, like every line in the
valley does not mean something. And so now I've gotten
at least with the valley where I've broken myself of
like line by line recaps, thank god.
Speaker 2: But back in the you know, I still get trapped
in that a lot.
Speaker 1: But that's what people appreciate like about your podcast and
your style of podcasting, is that you you've noticed these
little human intricacies that make people unrelatable, relatable, or just
entertaining in general. Meanwhile, I'm like, let's just talk about
these next two episodes, because my audience has done their homework.
They are watching the shows along with us, and they
already know my style is not to go line by line,
but just to talk about like the general vibe of
the show. So let's get into it. I mean, these
last two episodes we were not able to cover on
So Bad as School with Ryan Bailey, which I have
been on almost yeah, I think every week for like
like eight weeks now, like I can't even well, not
gonna make that joke, but anyways, so we have been
talking about it and we're gonna get back on it
because the reason that we did it on Ryan's show
instead of my show is because I want both of
our audiences to co mingle and actually give at Land
to the spotlight that it deserves on this season. And
I also just wanted to talk to Ryan more often,
Like I would always ask you to come on the podcast.
Speaker 3: I think it's good for my soul to talk to
you every week. I know I'll joking aside or there's
something you know it's good to invest in relationships or like,
I just think it's actually something I look forward to
and it doesn't feel like work.
Speaker 1: And I also find it easier when I have someone
else to talk to about the show instead of it's
just me for thirty minutes straight, like I feel like
I I I like to go, well, what do you think? So, like,
let's just break down, like what's going on with the
cast in general? We're about to gear up for this
trip to Scotland. But the ladies couldn't be in a
more fake ass place. That Shamia basically pointed out at
the end of the Newest episode. I think that right
now my sympathy really lies with Kelly, and I think
that that is a surprise for me because I knew
what was going going on in real time, because you know,
obviously the Shade Room, all these blogs, the Bravo blogs
report on what's going on with her and her husband,
but it's different to see it. In the past two episodes,
we talk about how she's having to take her ex
to court, she can't have her kids obviously on camera,
which we talked about earlier in the season. She's not
having to move out because her neighbor is a psycho
and I'm At the start of the season, we both
were like, how did Shemiah and Kelly even get this close?
And now we're seeing how these people are genuinely have
built a relationship off camera, so much so that Kelly
is now moving into a home, a townhouse that Shemiah owns.
What are you feeling about, you know, Kelly's whole situation,
and is she growing on you or do you feel
like we shouldn't.
Speaker 3: I've never disliked Kelly. I feel like I think sometimes
it's hard and I know she wouldn't want this, but
sometimes sometimes you're feeling like there's like this element of pity,
and I know she doesn't want to be pitied, but
like she's in a she's in a dark place financially.
But like some people like how she entered Real Housewives
of Atlanta where she bought her daughter what like it
was like fifteen her birthday or something, and you know,
it was like it was all about how rich she was.
And so it's a constant reminder about, you know, be
careful about what you are, I don't know, showing off
and that's what kind of housewives are. So it's really
interesting then to have to sit down with a financial
advisor and realize how much he's spending on makeup twenty
five hundred, hair three thousand, shopping and clothes eight thousand,
five hundred a month. You know, all of these things,
and then you know, Phaedra's having to take on her
case pro bono. She's getting a free townhouse from Shemia
and a lot of people are stepping up for her.
Speaker 2: But you have to eat a lot.
Speaker 3: You have to eat a lot of crow to be
able to say, yeah, I do need help. So it's
an interesting storyline because Atlanta especially seems to be a
really all about wealth. You know, you see all of
them show off their call their wares, their rings, they're
all of this stuff. It's like, you know, Shamia and
Kelly are complaining about where Cynthia put them in Texas
on that cast trip, and it's like, girl, you you
can't even you gotta move out of your you gotta
stay with Shemia Shamia's townhouse. You shouldn't be complaining about anything.
And so it's it's really undercut. Kelly, She's gonna be
have to be careful about how when she decides to
step up and who she steps up to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree that. Basically, what is that Bible
quote pride Go look before the Fall. It's because she
literally came on the show, gone in for Porsche and
we can see that she still is like low key
like a confessional warrior that you point out a lot
on when we do the recaps. She's a confessional warrior,
especially when it comes to Porsche and I. It's not
necessarily a pity that I feel. I just you know,
just let that.
Speaker 3: Human here's making fun of her white T shirt and
the talking head. Hey, bro, that's all she can afford
take man Kelly's panhandling on these shows. Her tagline should
be like I've shut up with gofund me, like like
come on, man.
Speaker 1: My god, I need to get you. And Kendrick and
Raven and Aaron, Oh my god, yeah, I think all
of us we need to have like one like just
crazy episode because it's gonna be so fucking funny. Kendrick
of the I cannot podcast with frequenc here almost weekly
at this point, is just he's so funny and he
notices like the craziest things. And if you've seen that
viral meme of Wes his hat and it's like bigger
than its head, it was Kendrick who photoshopped, not he
photoshopped his head, like the hat bigger. But yeah, so
I'm really seeing Obviously, Shmiya and Kelly's friendship get closer,
but at the same time, she is feeling like she
is on the outs with the group. She's constantly telling
kay Michelle basically which I wanted to basically zoom in
on here. Kay Michelle said, you know, they went out
to the club me his mom was there for some reason,
Shamiya's mom is. She was like, I don't know, no mama,
that's like that. And then Samia basically told her, you know,
no one wants me to be your friend, and kay
Michelle says, basically, I was in tears by the time
I went to the to the car. And that's what
I get so confused when it comes to Shemiah talking
about how these friendships are fake and she's being the
fall guy. But then at the same time you're whispering
to k Michelle, who you know, has these insecurities about
not only is joining this group but also like the
Eight Girls of Atlanta in general.
Speaker 2: But all that's.
Speaker 3: Based on just MIA's but see at the end of
the day, that's based on Shamiah's insecurity. So she is
using like a Jedi mind trick of like girl like
everybody doesn't want me to be friends with you, when
in essence, Shemi is trying to ingratiate with ky Michelle
because she needs friends because Shamia is so looked down
on within that group. And so it all, you know,
both of these ladies, they're coming from like insecure places.
But you know, I mean Kelly's, I mean cay Michelle's
being lied to. You know, I don't think she is
getting nearly as much shit as she's telling ky Michelle
she is. I just think she's trying to be needed.
Shemiah wants to be needed by somebody, and that's why
her and Kelly work so well, because Kelly needs.
Speaker 1: Her right And it's just so weird to see this
because I just felt like Shemiah was in a different
place when we saw her as a friend of And
I'm wondering, is it the lack of candy that you know,
is making her, you know, do this was candy? Like
some it was candy kind of the the buffer that
we needed before we got to like who Smia really is.
But we also get like these really heartwarming moments with
Shemiah where she is, you know, trying to extend her family,
you know, open her family she's being a good friend
to Kelly. She is supposedly a good friend to ky Michelle,
but also feeding into her insecurities. So it's weird. It's
just I don't know what to think of her. And
it's weird because she went from a friend status to
full time status, and whereas I know that Marlow flopped
as a friend. I just don't know what it is.
It's like some people can go from friend to full
time and nail it, and then some others they flopped,
but they flopped in like different ways. What do you
think the difference between Marlow's flop from friends of full
cast and to me is it feels like with the audience,
if I'm checking the temperature of the audience, flop from
friend to full cast, like what is.
Speaker 3: Well, well, what I think we mentioned I said this
to you yesterday. It's like you're never going to be
able to escape the shadow of Porsche. You're never like
you have that stink on you and the fact that
Porsche will just not engage in other people's conversations about him, Like,
to me, that is like an even darker thing than
somebody talking shit about you. Somebody that refuses to talk
about you and Porsia's star will always be on the rise,
whether you believe that it should be or not. And
I think it's really hard, like once you have that
that stink on you, it's hard to because I told
you like I have a real soft spot for Shmia.
I really actually do weirdly like Shamiah when you know
sometimes it might not be warranted. And I also feel
like I also have a soft spot for underdogs. And
I feel like man like Porscha's refusal puts such a
stink on Shamia that she carries it with her in
every scene. And I think even if the audience doesn't
recognize her or not, it permeates the audience where we're
always like, oh God, like she's got the scarlet letter
on her, you know, like she's never she's never gonna
be like, Porcha's never gonna talk.
Speaker 2: To her again.
Speaker 3: That's one of the main cast members. And without Porscha,
you don't have Phaedro without you know, it's like it's
like this and it makes me sad because Porscha just refuses.
But I think I think Shmia is more successful as
a full time than Marlowe was is a full time Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it definitely is more successful and it's
because and I think it might be because Mini wasn't on,
so we don't have like, you know how Porscha's on
for Shamia, meaning needed to be on for Marlow and
like maybe it would have been more successful. Okay, next Paedia.
We talked about Phaedia briefly, but I do want to
bring up that not only is Paga helping Kelly, like
cause she's like I'm coming, you know, as a single mom.
I've been through this. I'm a lawyer. And they even
referenced the famous win A case that Cynthia said, which
is just like one of the most iconic lines out there,
and like the only thing that I think about when
I think of Phaedra's many because we'll talk about how
gifted this woman is, like some other like jack of
all trades.
Speaker 3: I would love to, you know, I would This would
be boring as hell, and I don't want it on Atlanta,
but I would love I would love to just know
how she spends twenty four hours, Like I would just
love to be a fly on the wall seeing like
is she like constantly reading?
Speaker 2: Is she studying? Is she like how does she how
did cause I can't.
Speaker 3: I can only do if I can put out a
podcast a day, that's all I can do. You know,
like this girl's like learning how to play the Flute's
like learning reiki.
Speaker 2: She's learning spiritual healings.
Speaker 3: On top of being a lawyer, on top of being
a mortician, on top of being like you're like, holy shit,
how do you? How do how does one be this productive?
Speaker 1: And I think that that would be a great because
you know how everyone is getting into a vertical series.
Bravo is also getting into the vertical series right now.
That would be a great vertical series of just like
spend a day with a housewife, whether it's or it is.
So they should do that for sure, because so many
people would tune in because she is truly, like just
so interesting and you know, check out the vertical series
that Bravo is is putting out.
Speaker 3: They want you like you know what, and Phaedra is
so esteemed that you don't even she doesn't even have
to have storylines about her love life.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like hands off. It's hands off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like I want to know more about you.
But even though I don't, I'll allow it because you
are so involved and so funny and so likable, and
that is your brand.
Speaker 3: And you see like you seem like you're open to everybody,
including Kelly, and you like you've thrown so much hi,
you know, like Kelly, including the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Game, Jesse Solomon without me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, I just think there's something to be
said for somebody that still adds value, Like you know,
Kyle on Beverly Hills, to me, that song has been
sung and if you're not going to you know, at
least you know half the time, you don't even sense
that Kyle wants to be there. Where Like Phaedra, I
feel like she is actively listening, She's throwing in She's
and even.
Speaker 1: Here you know, cay Mischelle's with some of her interviews,
she's like, actually I do like Faedro, like and she
and she didn't expect to like Fadro. And we also
see her U, you know, go to Faye's house and
like they go fishing and all that, and it's it's
it's so funny. But what I did notice is that,
you know, obviously Angela, she is moralizing her mom. We
got to meet her brother in the last episode and
they just talk about how sudden and how deep the
loss was, which I don't even want to get into
because I can't imagine how hard that is. And it
was just, you know, I was already a fangie, but
now it's also like she's my client. Get behind me.
You cannot say anything about Angela.
Speaker 3: I am going to say one thing about Angela because
I you know, you know I love Angela. But I
will say I do not give a rip that Amari
has not told the kids about her marriage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not care at all.
Speaker 3: I'm almost like, well, that sounds like some of you
guys should work out. I do not find the I
do not find the dramatic all to that storyline, even
though I feel a complete pull towards Angela Oakley. I
think she I mean, you put her in a scene,
she will deestimate well, I mean just without lifting a finger.
Speaker 2: She's so verbally amazing. But that Amari stuff is it's
missing me complete.
Speaker 1: I think that they kind of like as like sprinkled
that in there somehow, because then we just randomly she
has a confessional and she was like Amara has a confessional,
and she's in the famous Ariana dress that she wore
on the first episode of Island this season, and I'm
just like, oh my god, Okay, this girl is a
fashion girl. Like I noticed that immediately because I was
so starstruck by that dress that Ariana wore. But what
I was saying is that, you know, she had the
Bailey Hue and they had a basketball game and it
was so funny and so endearing. You know, after they
had the whole skating rink party, and we're doing these
events to get these ladies closer, but there is still
a disconnect, which is actually building up to a great
trip to Scotland. But what I did notice is that
Apollo's son that he found out that he had when
he was in jail, was actually at the basketball game.
And what I'm seeing online is that, like, you know,
Phaedia has been present in Apollo's son's life, and it's
like this woman is just an angel. Like first of all,
I didn't even know Apollo had a son before, and
apparently he didn't know you did you know about this?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't, No, I did not.
Speaker 1: He was on the episode and when they.
Speaker 2: No I knew.
Speaker 3: I knew this, But for some reason I didn't like
put two and two together. I wasn't like, oh wow,
I because there were so many people in that basketball
scene and like everybody brought.
Speaker 1: There exactly like Apollo. So when I saw that, people
were like, oh, this is Apollo something that he didn't
know that he had, and he did. He recently did
like an interview saying that Faeda has been in his
life and I'm like, that's so crazy. But yeah, so
that's Phaedra. Love Faedro. She's she's gonna be someone who
is really important to these next few episodes in Scotland
when they played Traders, not just because she's gonna be,
you know, the game master along with Porsche because they've
been on Traders, both of them, but.
Speaker 3: Also wasn't good on wasn't good at the actual game.
Faedro was excellent at the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's gonna be funny to see how
they handle it. And also I know that Atlanta because
they're so whipped smart and they're gonna crack on how
Porscha basically got sent home like the third or fourth episode,
just like they cracked on Porscha. We find out in
this well not find out, but they did.
Speaker 2: You watch that d Way interview with Portia.
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, I'm saying it's.
Speaker 2: It's on my list to watch night, and.
Speaker 1: So was texting me.
Speaker 2: Was the one that was texting me about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean I saw the previews, so I
immediately knew that I was gonna watch it. It's gonna
be hilarious. But we also, oh my god, oh okay, Yeah.
I was talking about how, you know, Phaedra and Allo Apollo, like,
we don't see Apollo on the show, but we got
to see his son, so that was crazy. Angela, you know,
she's really We talked about how we don't really care
about this whole Amari storyline, but I do think that
Angela is probably just using, oh, you need to tell
the kids thing just for like herself, you know, like you.
She's still hurt, which I understand. Any parent will be
hurt that your kid gotten married and didn't tell you.
So that's what I got from that whole scene. I
don't necessarily care about it, but at the same time,
she can just do what she wants. And these are
fuller episodes, so as long as it's not taking up
too much time. Porsiche. We find out that Simons rescinded
his sponsorship, which is hilarious because boy, you guys, you
just literally got kicked out of America and you've decided
to rescind your sponsorship. So she can't be a citizen.
But she's like, I can travel there as as much
as I want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I don't need to be a citizen,
Like I'm good, Like I.
Speaker 1: Can basically as long as I can visit Nigeria because
apparently she's already fucked every niger And in Atlanta, so
she has to go to the home lansa figure.
Speaker 3: I'm a shocked that what his name keeps popping up?
Like I thought it was gonna be my Sway all day. Yeah,
I couldn't believe that. Yeah, I thought it was Sway
all day At this point, I didn't realize he was
still involved and to kind of being. So I'm like,
where does this end? Because right doesn't she in at
the end of the day, choose sway she has?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the choice is clear, like they from Thanksgiving and on,
they've had matching pajamas. I don't know where the next
season of Love, you know, the Love Show on Bravo goes,
because she was supposed to be on that, but yeah,
she asked Mike last episode, will you continue dating me?
And she got really upset, And I was telling you
that on your podcast, how I feel like Porsche would
be with Dennis in a heartbeat if Dennis would just
act right, and he just won't.
Speaker 3: He won't Osama ban Dennis where man takes some pride
like I mean, like I was like, take some pride
I'm in like basketball shorts and like a dirty sweatshirt
was spit up.
Speaker 2: Take some pride in yourself.
Speaker 1: Man, No, we're not on reality. Okay, it was just
And also I didn't expect Porscha to get so I
don't know if that's real real like you know.
Speaker 2: Well you know what I end.
Speaker 1: You made me see.
Speaker 3: You made me think it was real because you were
the one that was like, no Dennis would have been
to one, So to me, that was real, Like how
dare you bring this ring in my face?
Speaker 2: How dare you to me?
Speaker 3: I normally would have thought that was fake, but you
made me reconsider and go, well, I mean there's some
real emotions there.
Speaker 1: She even says it though she's basically like, you are
the trauma, not the drama, Like she's like, and they
go back to I gave you a child. I wanted
to marry you, like we tried this multiple times, and
he had his own situation, you know that we don't
see play out on screen because he's not a part
of the cast, but he's had girlfriends too, So it
was just it was just very interesting to see that
and be validated that if she could be with Dennis,
she absolutely would be. And I've been telling people this,
like from the freaking jump. I mean as far as
the ladies like as a group, I think what really
like stuck with me is Shmia calling out like the
hug you know, ky Michelle is like, I don't want
to and I love Kate Michelle's and I love her still.
Ky Michelle's like, I don't want to bring up this
conflict here because I would rather settle that like as friends,
and that's just the kind of person that I am.
Whereas Shmi is like, well, no, well, if you have
a problem, we should address it right here instead of
just hugging and like going on this trip. What did
you think of kay Michelle's way of handling things as
we navigate the season, because obviously she has been whipping
her head like back and forth.
Speaker 2: Like Kate, Michelle is up and down.
Speaker 3: Like I sometimes find it hard to emotionally graph where
she goes and what she feels because she's also like
hysterically funny, whip smart, but at the same time she
seems to get she seems to be upset or saddened
by so many things with this cast and then comes
back and then gets upset again about something new, and
you know, I mean, listen, she has such a strong
presence for a first season cast member. I don't want
her going anywhere, obviously, But I don't know, I don't
know which is it. I don't know if you are
this like completely strong woman or if you are one
of the more insecure cast members, Like both of these
things tend to like be her at times. Like I'm like,
half the time, I don't think you really would give
an actual shit, but you seem to take the greatest
offense to these things. And I'm like, wait, you let
Drusidora get under your skin at all, You let Shemia
get under your skin at all, Like, give me a break.
You've already gotten the lay of the land and realize
that you're oh, I mean, you're kind of considered almost
above them in some ways, and you're only on your
first season, and so I don't know if she's just
playing the housewives game and using it to her benefit
or if these are all very real things to her.
Speaker 1: For me, I think it's just still her own insecurity
of being in a group of women since she's been
scarred by being on Love and Hip Hop, but also
again in real life when she was friends with that
group of women who accused her of lying about the
abuse that she received from that man. And now she's like, okay,
everyone is already saying because at this point there.
Speaker 3: We never even fully cleared up that storyline, like we're
still like like, okay, so what who exactly was a
part to this? You said, Drew, Phaedra and Portia, what
exactly happened?
Speaker 2: Like you know? And by the way, that this is
how good of a show it is that.
Speaker 3: Like we don't really get answers, they're not provided like
Summer House, but you continue to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: We might not even get into it really at the reunion,
but obviously it's gonna come up, but it's like speak plainly,
like I feel like we're speaking in code and sometimes yes, And.
Speaker 3: By the way, do we have to shut down all
the blogs, like come on, like some of us have
not read all the thirty Atlanta blogs that everybody keeps
being scared of on this cast, Like somebody needs to
do a fucking vertical series just about the blogs because
I'm like it, sorry, I didn't read Reality Tea today,
Like like, oh, how upset are you getting about these blogs?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And what is the truth? Like if if if some
of it is a lie, or if it's all a lie,
or if it's the truth, why can't you just like
be and why can't you just confront it, especially when
we know that you're not like uh someonet like a
I don't know, just in the air like a Kelsey
where you're out by the rest of the cast, like
Rhode Island cast is like just so running laps around
you're at Ashley or something. You are ka fucking Michelle,
both in the scenes and in confessionals. You are so
able to take on all these women and just walk
about your day to Michelle.
Speaker 3: Has a career that is not tied to reality TV,
which is another strength that a lot of these women
don't have. You know. That's the other thing about Kave
that's why it's so hard for me to really consider
her being a deeply insecure person in this group when
I'm like, you have your your your dance card is full,
like you you know, it's like this is probably great
money and it's good visibility to a maybe a different audience,
and like I did not know Kay Michelle before this,
so that's great.
Speaker 2: But like you also have a.
Speaker 3: Talent, you know, you actually have a gift. You can sing,
you can songwrite, you can all of it. You're not
using AI songwriting like Drew Sidora, Like you know, it's
like what like give a brief, Yeah you did to.
Speaker 1: Be I loves UBI by the ways, seeing all her movies.
Speaker 3: Which, by the way, did you see that, Like two
of those Love Island USA cast members have two b.
Speaker 1: Movies, Oh, Bryce and Trinity. And that's why they're endgame
and that's why he's literally the Jay Gatsby looking out
into the lake and she is his green light. Yeah,
they belong together, and I am getting everyone's phone in
the vicinity to vote for them. They are my winners.
That's just a Love Island thing. But yeah, I love that.
When when they put that out there, I'm like, another
reason they should be together, and it was just the
most unpopular thing. But I'm just so glad that I
can freely say.
Speaker 3: That because they're obviously going to do movie night on
Love Island, USA, and I know they're going to like
annihilate the men deservedly so. But I do hope that
there are some nice clips, like you know, Bryce being
very sad that Trinity's not there. I hope there's like
those moments as well, you know, like I think that
would for them.
Speaker 1: And proticearing ones, especially for them because of the rest.
That's the only couple that I want to say to Yep,
Zach and Kata need to go like they they don't.
K kJ and and I O K.
Speaker 3: Hey see god, I was like what yeah, k C, Like,
obviously you're gonna have that on a movie night where
he's like a more attracted to t T.
Speaker 1: You know, it's fine that he's more attractive, but my
problem is that he said that me and and I
have nothing in common. And it's just like you just
told her that she was a blueprint to black women
and then also you read her a full letter of
all the things that you have in common, only for
you to say that you have nothing in common with her,
and some people are like, well, he doesn't and we
did want him to explore when he went to cost
some more. But you can explore, but you don't have
to shit on the person that you're with to explore.
So that's just another thing. But oh, like lastly, Drew
Drew's who be Sadora? I think she is having a
phenomenal season. She is having a good time in like
real life too, being like she's missing music, she's being
on all these movies and now her and Porstia, which
I never thought that i'd see the day, especially after
last season that they are kind of not only not
not only like coworkers, but she's so into her company
that she wants to name a Drew line after her,
and we saw that that came into fruition, So I'm like, wow,
like I really she.
Speaker 2: Finally learned how to chowd eat chicken wings.
Speaker 1: Yeah important, It took me a few years, but like,
I'm finally warmed up to you as a housewife instead
of just an actress. It's just in my head. She's
just always been like juice a door from the game
and juice of door from that stor even in Juice
Door from the TLC movie.
Speaker 3: And I love I love that Ralph is not in
this physically, right. I think that's a big I think
that's a big key, you know, like it's like I
love not seeing him because if we were to see him,
we would focus on him, and you know, the whole
thing is to go beyond this relationship and to show
that she is a person rebuilding and you know, taking
the world by the balls, and if you had his
like thirsty ass out there would become a whole different Drew,
and like.
Speaker 1: Her dating life too, Like we're talking about her dating life,
we're also talking about a potential spin off that we
would watch from that hole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with forty people that work for her that you
can't afford.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Drew Drew the Door rules like it was amazing.
So Drew, like, you're good with me. I can't wait
for the Scotland trip. I really know that the focus
is going to be on Shamia and Porsche and this
is where they're gonna like come to blows, well possibly blows.
I hate to see that a friendship that has happened
since they were literally little has blown up. But again,
like bring it at me because I'm just enjoying this season.
What are you most looking forward to with this trip?
And also like as we are about to close out
this season.
Speaker 3: I think I mean with with these kind of trips,
especially to see that it's like like the old Scooby
Doo cartoons with like Scooby Doo meets Batman and Robin.
It's like you're seeing the Atlanta cast go over to
the Trader's castle, like there's something innately hysterical about that,
you know, And so you're gonna have the fish out
of water stuff that you would see normally in these environments.
They're gonna be extra funny because they react, you know,
like just them reacting to new things. That's what makes
an entertaining cast is that they can do drama, but
like just the inane bullshit you get like amused.
Speaker 2: By, like even that little basketball game.
Speaker 3: At the end, I was kind of like enjoying how like,
you know, funny it was, and how.
Speaker 1: The names like menyons and then are continuously talking about
her shoe size. And then Cynthia did an interview shout
out to Gavin with Gibson that's like, yeah, it's it's
kind of offensive, but she keeps talking. They keep talking
about Angela's shoe size, and I'm like, Cynthia, please, She's like,
I also wear a size of shoes. And it's just
so like these women are so funny and not so
quote sincere because I obviously hate sincere. We call them insincere.
But it's the epitome. Yeah, I was about Topato.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what the epitome of this means?
Speaker 2: Truly? And what was the other thing he was like,
Oh what did he say?
Speaker 3: Uh? It was like being in what was the word
for being he said to others something that was like
completely he.
Speaker 1: I hate him and his analysis and the way that
he just thinks that he is so emotionally intellect but
it's it's it's good TV to me. I think that's
also why I'm enjoying Love Islan. I don't know. I
don't know. I just hope that you find some way
maybe to come around. Maybe when they come from Cosla
more back to the villa, you'll be more more invested.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll know it when I see it.
Speaker 3: And I did have that moment when that that episode,
and it wasn't just because of this scene.
Speaker 2: It was that whole episode, but It was a couple
of weeks ago with the.
Speaker 3: Melanie gimme ten, gimme ten, like when when chat GBT
came in and everybody was like fawning all over him.
Speaker 2: Oh, and I thought that was hysterical.
Speaker 3: And then that led to like the Melanie Baa scene
and I was like, Oh, this is taking off. And
then the Sunday episode for me didn't like didn't deliver
on the promise of that ending. And I was actually
impressed by Melanie for not freaking out on Sunday that
Sunday's episode, But for some reason, that week just took
a nose dive for me where I was just like.
Speaker 1: Oh, used to we were expecting and people wanted to
put her in that category of the volatility of Hudah
and that's not what she.
Speaker 3: Well, no, and I don't mean that I needed to
see that volatility. It almost impressed me that she did
not react like I predicted she would react. But then
what happened was that the rest of the cast members
really weren't grabbing my interest in terms of like actually
caring about them as people, which is obviously so tough
to do when you're getting eliminated.
Speaker 1: So we don't know how it would have ended up with.
Speaker 3: The watching Bea on after Sun or even watching like
after Son, watching all of these contestants like Sean Bea Gabriel, Like,
I was like, God, I mean, I love these people
when they're just talking, like when they're just but for
some reason that's not translating on the normal episodes for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say even time, but we don't have time, like.
Speaker 2: And they did remove they did remove what's or nuts?
Speaker 1: I heard miss Nigga. Yeah, I'm so glad that she's going,
like another one down, like they tried to like cut her.
Speaker 2: Out, they know.
Speaker 3: I told I told my friend the other day, I
was like, what if this actually teaches kids.
Speaker 2: To not be racist? You know, like, oh you mean
you mean it could fuck me up?
Speaker 3: You mean it?
Speaker 2: You mean I can't be on Love Island, USA? Maybe
I won't be racist? Then?
Speaker 3: Like what if this is the thing that gets people
to stop saying the N word?
Speaker 1: You know, whatever it takes. And I just hope that
because she got pulled out, that it doesn't make Zach
you know, want to fake his feelings with Kata. I
want Kata to continue acting a damn fool because he.
Speaker 2: Data, what's going on?
Speaker 1: You guys got all right? Well, thank you so much
Ryan for coming to try Atlanta with me.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I got my weekly DJ residency on Ryan's podcast. We did.
Speaker 3: We did Rhode Island on Thursday Wednesday's episode, so go
check that out. And we talked about like five different
other things before we even got to Rhode Island. So
it's just like two friends shooting the shit, which I
think is always fun. So go check it out if
you want to, but no pressure.
Speaker 1: And also tell them about the last few guests that
you had.
Speaker 3: We talked about me well, I had Paul Roysden, who's
a casting producer for like Real Housewise of Rhode Island,
Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which was great, my friend
Sophie Ross from Snark Bay. We do the pop culture
round up tomorrow. I'm having Asia from Below Deck Ahmed
and Lexi and Andrea from in the City.
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